FH Mini 110 - Encino Dan

Elliott Kalan

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Stuart Wellington

[1:06] Hey, this is Stuart Wellington of the Flophouse Podcast, and welcome to another Flophouse Mini.

[1:12] I am Stuart Wellington, and joining me are...

[1:15] Jan McCoy.

[1:16] And Elliot Kalin. That's right, we're back.

[1:19] Uh-huh, we're back again. The Flophouse Boys doing a Flophouse Mini.

[1:22] Exactly where you expect us to be.

[1:24] Yep, in your ear holes.

[1:25] On a regular schedule.

[1:26] Uh-huh.

[1:27] Now, one of these Flophouse minis, what we do is instead of watching a bad movie and talking about it, we are going to talk about whatever we want.

[1:34] And today, I want to talk about something that, by the time this episode gets released, probably won't matter anymore.

[1:40] But the other day, I went to the movies.

[1:43] Have you guys ever done this before?

Dan McCoy

[1:45] Not familiar.

[1:46] Yeah, I've, you know, once a while.

[1:48] Yeah.

[1:48] I've got, I'm experienced.

Stuart Wellington

[1:49] It's a pretty, I had a pretty big week.

[1:51] I went to three movies in the theater.

[1:53] That's right.

[1:54] It's because I treat watching movies like I'm a professional.

[1:58] And so, my professional.

[2:00] A professional movie watcher?

[2:01] Mm-hmm.

[2:02] I mean, you know.

[2:03] In a way, we are.

[2:04] I don't know our job.

[2:05] Uh-huh.

[2:05] Okay, fair.

[2:07] And so, I, of course, being responsible at my job, I went to the movies with my father-in-law

[2:14] to see Deadpool and Wolverine versus?

[2:17] Deadpool and Wolverine.

[2:19] Okay, and Wolverine.

[2:20] They do fight each other, but that's not the takeaway.

[2:23] And so, while I was watching this movie, there's definitely a point where I thought to myself,

[2:28] how did we get to this place?

[2:31] Why are, what is happening?

[2:32] How did you get to the theater?

[2:33] Why are we here?

Elliott Kalan

[2:34] You probably took the subway.

[2:35] Maybe you drove.

[2:36] No, we drove.

Dan McCoy

[2:37] My father-in-law can't take this up.

[2:38] Stuart had an existential crisis triggered by Deadpool and Wolverine.

Stuart Wellington

[2:43] I had a little bit of an existential crisis.

[2:45] And funny enough, I feel like this, it reminds me a little bit of the-

Elliott Kalan

[2:49] Actually, I just say, it reminds me of the opening of Remembrance of Things Past by Marcel

[2:53] Proust when his memory is triggered by a bite of a flamin' hot Cheeto.

[2:59] Mm-hmm.

Stuart Wellington

[3:00] Which, in a way, that would be very appropriate for Deadpool to say when he looks at the camera.

[3:05] I don't know if you've met this guy.

[3:06] He's kind of like a family guy who was a superhero.

[3:09] I don't know.

[3:10] So, but I was watching this movie, and I also think it's oddly appropriate because we just

[3:15] watched and did an episode on the movie, If, which is Disney's attempt to make-

[3:20] Also, Ryan Reynolds.

[3:21] Yeah.

[3:22] Wait, wait, is he in it?

[3:24] He's such a chameleon.

[3:25] I can't tell.

[3:27] But that's kind of like Disney's attempt at building, like, putting all their cinematic

[3:34] universe properties into one thing, right?

[3:37] Kind of.

[3:37] It's very meta.

[3:38] Or it's like a mild attempt at meta-ness.

[3:42] If is?

[3:43] No, wish.

[3:43] Oh, wish.

[3:44] Did I say if or did I say wish?

[3:45] You said if, so I was confused.

[3:46] Goddammit, it's his stupid movie names.

Dan McCoy

[3:47] Which we also did recently at our Boston show.

[3:49] Yeah, and it had Ryan Reynolds in it.

[3:51] So, I thought the connection seemed clear to me.

Elliott Kalan

[3:53] When you said confused that Ryan Reynolds was in it, it makes more sense that you thought

[3:57] Wish, because Ryan Reynolds is not in that.

[3:58] Yeah.

[3:59] He isn't in Wish.

[4:01] Oh, boy.

[4:02] He's such a chameleon.

[4:03] There's no way of knowing.

[4:04] He's like Jackie Chan.

[4:05] There's no way of knowing if he's in a movie or not.

Stuart Wellington

[4:06] I've already fucked up this many.

[4:09] No, no.

[4:09] The confusion is what makes-

[4:10] Should we start over?

[4:11] Should we start the whole thing over?

[4:12] Should we-

[4:12] I think people tune in for the confusion.

[4:13] Yeah.

[4:14] No.

Elliott Kalan

[4:14] So, you're saying Wish, exactly.

[4:17] Yes.

[4:17] It's Disney's attempt to try to tie its old movies together into one thing.

[4:20] Deadpool and Wolverine is-

[4:22] I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like it's very much that.

[4:24] It's like very much, let's pull in a lot of different Marvel stuff.

Dan McCoy

[4:27] Yeah.

[4:27] I mean, it's an attempt to sweep all of the older, let's say, either failed or defunct because they were part of Fox.

[4:39] Sweep them all into a dustpan, not throw all of it away.

[4:43] Sprinkle a little bit on the MCU and combine it all together.

Stuart Wellington

[4:48] Yeah.

[4:48] And mix it in with a bunch of jokes about what corporate takeovers and dissolutions and such.

Dan McCoy

[4:54] Yeah, I was amazed at how much humor in there.

[4:57] It wasn't specifically just like-

[4:58] How in the weeds they get on that.

[5:00] Like, you know, comic book nerd stuff, but like stuff for people who really follow the entertainment news surrounding these studios.

[5:08] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[5:09] Yeah, there's definitely points where Charlene's looking at me, I'm like, I'll tell you after the movie.

[5:13] And then you'll be disappointed.

[5:14] So, it was very fun.

[5:15] It was very fun to, you know, to have this existential crisis and then walk out of the movie theater.

[5:20] He says Stuart Wellington about Deadpool and Wolverine.

[5:22] Whoa, no!

[5:24] So, I walk out of the movie theater and my very old father-in-law is there, who we took because-

[5:32] He says, will I ever get my wish?

[5:36] Because he, so we took him there because his favorite guy is Wolverine.

[5:42] He loves Wolverine, right?

Elliott Kalan

[5:45] I mean, Wolverine is an American favorite.

[5:47] I remember the first time I wrote a Wolverine comic, I mentioned it to my grandmother and I said, this is a bigger character than I'm used to working with.

[5:53] And she goes, well, everyone knows Wolverine.

[5:55] And I was like, you know Wolverine?

Stuart Wellington

[5:56] She's like, damn straight, bub.

[5:58] Yeah.

[5:59] He's a Canadian favorite.

[6:02] Yeah, yeah.

[6:03] He's the best at what he does and what he does.

[6:06] It's not very nice.

[6:07] Yeah, it isn't pretty.

Dan McCoy

[6:08] On the nice, not nice spectrum, it's closer to the not nice.

[6:12] And on the pretty, not pretty, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[6:14] Yeah.

[6:15] And the amount of like, I mean, in order to understand, I mean, I guess, well, so we asked my father-in-law what he thought of-

Elliott Kalan

[6:23] You know what, I just realized something.

[6:24] Wolverine in the comics is very short, but Hugh Jackman, who plays him, is not short.

[6:28] He's not short at all.

[6:29] Whereas Jack Reacher in the books is very tall, but Tom Cruise, who played him, is very short.

[6:32] Is there some kind of physical, like only so much height is available to Hollywood at a certain time?

[6:41] That's possible.

[6:41] And it has to be in stasis.

[6:43] And that's why they cast tall people as short characters and short people as tall characters.

Dan McCoy

[6:46] I will say, rest assured that in the multiverse shenanigans, we do finally get our short king Wolverine variant as part of the thing.

Stuart Wellington

[6:56] Yeah.

[6:56] It's funny that you say variant, because yeah, that's right.

[6:58] In order to understand some of the, some of it, you have to watch Loki, a television show, which is a little weird.

[7:04] But I'm, well, there's a lot of stuff.

[7:07] Stand on its own.

[7:07] Yeah.

[7:08] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[7:08] It is funny that Disney was like, yeah, we'll tie it all together between the shows and the movies the way the comic books do.

[7:14] And it's like, the comic books are all comic books.

[7:16] It's not like Marvel.

[7:17] It's not like if you read Spider-Man and it's like, for more on this, listen to the hit song we released last year.

[7:21] Like, it's still the same medium, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[7:24] No, you're right.

[7:25] There's no songs about Spider-Man that you can just listen to.

Elliott Kalan

[7:29] But there's no, what I'm saying is, I'm saying is, that's not the point I'm making.

[7:32] The point is, the song does not feature continuity that will then be referenced in a comic book later on, you know?

[7:37] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[7:38] Okay.

[7:38] So I talked to my father-in-law, Herb, and I asked Herb, what do you think?

[7:42] Did you, did you like the movie?

[7:44] And he, his response was, it was different.

[7:47] He put down his can of peaches.

[7:49] Yeah.

[7:50] And, and I feel like that's kind of the thing.

[7:52] Like, if I was to show, say, a person who wasn't, say, particularly familiar with all the ins and outs of these movies,

[8:00] what would they even think of Deadpool and Wolverine?

[8:03] And that was conveniently, on my walk over here to the Flophouse,

[8:06] I actually bumped into a recently unfrozen Neanderthal.

[8:11] Oh, wow.

[8:11] A caveman.

[8:13] One second.

[8:13] Guys, let me let him in.

Dan McCoy

[8:15] Oh, wow.

[8:16] Holy.

[8:16] This is much more, much more than I expected.

Stuart Wellington

[8:18] So guys, we have this unfrozen caveman, and we have, this, we're recording this on Friday.

[8:25] Our mom is going to be back by Sunday night.

[8:27] Okay, so we only have a weekend to be able to instill the entirety of the human experience into this caveman.

[8:33] Okay?

Elliott Kalan

[8:33] Because mom is against that.

[8:35] Mom doesn't like teaching cavemen modern things.

Stuart Wellington

[8:38] Well, we, if, if she finds out it's a caveman, she'll take him away from us,

[8:42] and we won't be able to show him off in high school.

[8:44] Okay?

[8:44] I think this pretty, makes a lot of sense.

[8:46] You're right.

[8:46] I don't remember the plot of that movie that well, but I think that's what happens.

[8:50] So we, one thing that Deadpool and Wolverine reminded me is that movies have the ability to impart the entirety of the human experience

[8:59] into people who might not have experienced those things.

[9:01] You know, you can learn.

[9:02] Yeah.

[9:03] They're kind of like, what, empathy machines?

[9:05] Is that what Roger Ebert called?

Elliott Kalan

[9:06] That was the famous quote, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[9:08] That's the famous quote Roger Ebert has that I take issue with, but yeah.

[9:11] But nonetheless.

[9:12] So, but, so we have this amazing tool at our disposal to-

[9:17] I wouldn't call Dan a tool, but he is amazing.

[9:19] We have to introduce to our Encino Dan, if you will, this Neanderthal man, how to become, wait, Alex just added some Neanderthal sounds.

S4

[9:33] Ah!

[9:36] Hey, two, three!

[9:39] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[9:41] So yes, that makes sense a lot.

[9:43] So we are going to try and communicate.

[9:45] We need to impart what it is to be a human in the modern world using the tool, the best tool we have at hand.

[9:51] Not books.

[9:52] Not music.

[9:53] No.

[9:53] Not, I don't know, like interpretive dance.

[9:56] No, we're going to talk about movies.

[9:58] And so we're going to go over a couple different key things about modern society.

[10:03] And we need to kind of pick the best movie to impart as much information as possible on that subject.

[10:10] Ah, okay.

[10:11] So just to give you an idea, I have at least one prepared.

[10:14] So for instance, for the premise of this podcast, I might suggest Encino Man the movie.

[10:20] Mm-hmm.

[10:21] Barring that blast from the past.

[10:23] Yeah.

[10:23] Or something else with Brendan Fraser.

Elliott Kalan

[10:24] Can I just say-

[10:25] Brendan Fraser is really good as a guy who has missed a lot of years and has to learn about them now.

[10:31] Or if he's fighting a mummy.

[10:33] Yeah.

[10:33] Can I just say, now that Stuart has-

[10:35] Two strengths as an actor.

Dan McCoy

[10:37] Gotten his premise out.

[10:38] I didn't want to interrupt his premise out of, you know, a sense of courtesy that I'm not afforded that frequently.

[10:45] But now that it's out, I wanted to say that-

[10:48] The expressions on the U-GIS face.

[10:51] I want-

[10:51] Like, he's had his notes app out.

[10:53] And if you know the notes app, it, like, automatically, like, gives a heading to everything at the top of it.

[10:58] And I've seen the words Encino Dan for the past 10 minutes.

[11:02] I'm like, I gotta know.

Elliott Kalan

[11:04] I'll do a few figures.

[11:05] I gotta know how this figures in.

[11:07] Like, where we're going.

[11:07] I hope it lived up to your Dan's expectations.

[11:09] Yeah.

[11:10] No, it was much better than I thought, honestly.

[11:13] Yeah, it's pretty-

[11:14] I think it's pretty tight.

[11:14] It's a good premise.

[11:15] When I was a kid growing up, I grew up in New Jersey, I didn't know Encino was a place.

[11:20] So when that movie came out, I was like, I guess that means prehistoric.

[11:23] Same thing.

[11:23] The joke of it totally I didn't get.

Stuart Wellington

[11:26] Mm-hmm.

[11:26] And it wasn't until I got to see Sean Astin and Pauly Shore have some hijinks with our buddy, Brendan Fraser, before I kind of figured it out.

Elliott Kalan

[11:33] Mm-hmm.

[11:33] The same way that when Get Him to the Greek came out, I was not familiar with the Greek theater.

[11:37] So I thought the Greek was like a mobster that wanted Russell Brand or something like that.

[11:41] You know.

Stuart Wellington

[11:42] Uh-huh.

[11:42] And luckily, that's a movie where nobody involved in that movie has had like a fall from grace of any kind.

[11:50] Okay.

[11:51] So to give you another example.

[11:53] Yeah.

[11:53] So a movie that sums up the – like I feel is like the perfect encapsulation of an issue of our modern day.

[12:00] Yeah.

[12:00] Would be if we were going to say climate change.

[12:02] The Age of Innocence.

[12:03] If we were going to say climate change, for instance, I would say First Reformed.

[12:08] Okay.

[12:09] The movie that perfectly captures the terror and the like untouchable frustration of being able to do nothing about a problem that is killing us all.

Elliott Kalan

[12:19] Yeah.

[12:19] The feelings of both guilt and impotence.

[12:22] Yeah.

[12:22] Towards the problem.

[12:23] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[12:24] So if we were trying to teach our Encino dance.

[12:26] What an amazing movie that is.

[12:27] Exactly.

[12:27] Oh, man.

[12:28] If we were trying to teach Encino dance.

[12:30] But I feel like there's much more important – like not more important, obviously.

[12:34] You know, climate change is going to kill us all.

[12:36] But let's say more immediate if we want to try and get him into, you know, society.

[12:43] Yeah.

[12:43] So for instance, I've given some examples.

[12:46] Let's talk about – let's look at some topics here.

[12:48] I wrote down a bunch of topics here and I figured you guys could help me.

[12:50] You guys are the most knowledgeable film people I know.

[12:53] So that's why I want to talk to you.

[12:55] Barring some other people that I text with.

[12:57] But you guys – yeah.

[12:58] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[12:59] Well, thanks for the totally –

[13:00] So let's say –

[13:02] Unfootnoted compliment.

[13:06] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[13:08] Language.

[13:09] Language.

[13:10] Yep.

[13:10] This Neanderthal man does not have a concept of language yet.

[13:14] What's a good movie about language and communication?

[13:18] Now, here's the thing.

[13:19] You say My Dinner with Andre.

[13:21] I'll give you a high five.

Elliott Kalan

[13:22] That was literally the first movie that came to mind because it's like, well, you want a movie with a lot of talking.

[13:27] My Dinner with Andre is all talking.

[13:29] And it could also teach him about how to be in a restaurant because that's something new to it.

[13:32] See, that's the thing.

Stuart Wellington

[13:34] If we can find movies that do double duty here, that's great.

[13:37] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[13:37] On the other hand, I don't know if he'll be able to – so My Dinner with Andre is my number one choice.

[13:43] But I wonder if there's something else that will more easily help him create the connection between language and things.

[13:49] Since My Dinner with Andre, fair or not – this is maybe a fair criticism or not – takes it for granted that the audience has an understanding that you can talk and express ideas verbally.

[13:58] So, I mean, the most literal version I can think of is like The Miracle Worker, which is literally about someone learning that language means things.

Dan McCoy

[14:05] And not finding Forrester where he learns that the key to writing is really like punching those keyboard keys.

Elliott Kalan

[14:10] Yeah, so Dan, this caveman lost – he completely missed the time when typewriters were used.

[14:16] So let's – why even bring it up?

[14:17] Why even bother him with it?

Dan McCoy

[14:19] Well, I thought on a comedy podcast it might be amusing to talk about it.

[14:23] But, you know, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[14:24] Hey, let's teach you about typewriters anyway so nobody uses those anymore.

[14:27] And the caveman is like, why waste Og's time?

Stuart Wellington

[14:30] You're right to reject my serious suggestion of finding Forrester.

[14:36] Yeah, I was going to say something like – I mean, I guess it's more about communication, but it's like something like Sound of Metal where Riz Hotman's character is going deaf and he has to struggle with that and come to terms with his inability to hear things.

Dan McCoy

[14:49] I mean, there's a rival about language, about trying to communicate.

[14:54] And also time and perception of time.

Stuart Wellington

[14:57] Now that Dan got his goofy one out of the way with Finding Forrester, he gave us a real one.

[15:02] Yeah, I forgot Dan always opens with a gag.

[15:05] Yeah, he does one goof for himself and then the rest area.

Dan McCoy

[15:09] I don't know what in our history would make us think – make me think that a goofy one would be okay.

Elliott Kalan

[15:13] And the caveman is like, Og not understand.

[15:15] When Dan's sincere, when Dan not sincere.

[15:18] Mixed signals to Og.

[15:19] Tell me about it, Og.

[15:21] Og sick of Dan's mind games.

Stuart Wellington

[15:24] Okay.

[15:25] Og looking for serious communication relationship.

[15:29] Og tired of the meat market.

[15:32] So, as I said, we're going to have to be able to get this guy to blend in with us at high school, okay?

[15:37] So what's a good movie –

[15:38] Yeah, we're high school students, sure.

[15:39] Yep, that shows high school.

[15:42] What's a good high school – number one, you only have one movie to show him about high school.

Elliott Kalan

[15:46] Well, here's my gag suggestion.

[15:49] Dan does a lot of gags.

[15:50] My gag suggestion, a movie about someone showing up at high school and he has to figure out what it's like to be at high school when you're not a high school student.

[15:59] I don't remember the name of it, but that John Cryer movie where he has to go undercover as a high school student.

[16:04] 12 O'Clock High?

[16:04] Yeah, because he's in the witness protection program.

[16:06] 12 O'Clock High?

[16:06] No, not 12 O'Clock High.

[16:06] No, wait, that's not it.

[16:07] That's the different one.

[16:08] It's the one where he's in the witness protection program.

[16:09] Yeah, sorry.

[16:11] Dan, you're thinking of Three O'Clock High probably, which is not the movie I'm thinking about.

[16:16] No.

[16:16] I'm thinking about Hiding Out.

[16:17] I think that's it.

[16:18] Hiding Out.

Stuart Wellington

[16:19] Where he has to pretend he's a high school student.

[16:21] Is hiding out spelled like high like is in high school?

[16:24] No, it's not.

[16:26] I think they missed something there.

[16:28] They did miss an opportunity.

[16:28] They did miss something.

Elliott Kalan

[16:29] But that is where he plays a stockbroker, right, who is on the lamb or something like that.

[16:35] He's on the run from the mob, and so he has to hide out at a high school, pretend to be a high school student.

Stuart Wellington

[16:40] Was this before or after his ducky days?

Elliott Kalan

[16:43] This is, so this is 1987.

[16:45] I wish I could go back to those ducky days.

[16:46] I do not.

[16:48] He's a piece of shit, that guy.

[16:50] So that's what, Pretty in Pink?

[16:51] Let's just take a look and see what year.

[16:53] That was 1986.

[16:53] This is the year after he's ducky.

[16:55] Okay.

[16:56] So yeah, I would argue still ducky.

Dan McCoy

[16:58] Things no longer so ducky.

Elliott Kalan

[17:00] On the other hand, there's also like just one of the guys.

[17:02] There's another gag suggestion.

[17:04] Sure.

[17:04] Going undercover at high school.

[17:05] You throw out another goofy one.

[17:06] Yep.

Stuart Wellington

[17:07] I'm going to make a suggestion that's not a goofy one, and I think it does a little bit of double duty.

[17:13] I would say Alexander Payne's election, since it does touch on some politics there.

Elliott Kalan

[17:18] Yeah, it'll help him understand a little bit more about democracy and the American system of government, but also high school, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[17:23] Yeah.

[17:23] And the pressure that a man might go through when he's trying to get his wife pregnant.

[17:27] Yeah.

[17:27] I was first going to.

[17:28] Og confused.

Elliott Kalan

[17:30] Why girl coded as villain of movie?

[17:32] Girl just trying to be good at things and run for high school president.

Stuart Wellington

[17:36] It's complicated.

Elliott Kalan

[17:37] It's complicated, Og.

[17:39] Tracy is hero of movie, right?

[17:41] Well, Og, it's a little more complicated than that.

Dan McCoy

[17:43] I don't.

[17:44] I think the movie's more complicated than that, too.

[17:46] Like, I don't think she's coded as the villain.

[17:48] I think that we're supposed to, like, understand why this, like, this person that we're coded to like because he's Matthew Broderick.

[17:57] But then we realize he's a shitheel over the course of things.

[18:00] That's true.

[18:00] That's kind of his perspective on – anyway.

Elliott Kalan

[18:04] For me, it's the scene where Tracy Flick is complaining to her dorm mates about them being too loud.

[18:09] That's the moment where the movie is like, yeah, but she's not cool, right?

Dan McCoy

[18:11] Yeah.

[18:12] Yeah, but who was?

[18:13] I mean, like, that's the thing.

[18:14] Like, part of the problem – the thing that that movie exposes is people who care about things and are, you know, have, like, specific desires attached to that, like, are also difficult.

[18:26] And that, like, causes people not to like them when, you know, likability is not what should, you know, win elections.

[18:33] This is also good stuff for Og to learn.

Stuart Wellington

[18:35] Yeah.

[18:35] Political.

[18:36] Yeah, you should learn all this stuff.

Dan McCoy

[18:37] You should learn this for – maybe a political thing, Og.

Stuart Wellington

[18:39] Politics is on my list of things to teach Og.

Dan McCoy

[18:42] Well, then that's my vote ahead of time.

[18:44] But I was going to say for high school, like, at first I wanted to go with –

[18:49] You say screwballs, Dan.

[18:51] At first I wanted to go with dazed and confused because I feel like that's a very, like, sort of realistic depiction of the interaction between teens.

[18:59] But it's on the last day of school and much of it is not about high school itself.

Elliott Kalan

[19:04] They certainly don't do a lot of school work.

Dan McCoy

[19:07] Yeah.

[19:07] So I'm going to switch over to a movie that I don't love.

[19:11] But, you know, it comes from a book about going back to high school undercover, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, maybe I would go with.

[19:23] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[19:25] Yeah.

[19:25] And that'll prep Og for his love of Judge Reinhold.

[19:30] His love of masturbation.

[19:32] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[19:33] I would say – again, this is not a movie that I love.

[19:37] It doesn't – but I think The Breakfast Club would get across some of that stuff too.

[19:40] Yeah.

[19:41] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[19:42] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[19:43] I mean, of course, these are all high schools from, you know, back when we were younger.

[19:48] I don't know, for modern high school.

Elliott Kalan

[19:50] I mean, they don't make – I mean, there's High School Musical.

[19:52] That's pretty much it, right?

[19:53] They make a lot of high school movies these days.

[19:55] There's Booksmart.

[19:55] I like Booksmart.

[19:56] But that's the last day of High School too.

Stuart Wellington

[19:57] I liked Edge of Seventeen from a few years ago with Daniel Stanfield.

[20:02] I didn't see that, but I heard it was good.

[20:03] It's good, yeah.

[20:04] It's a rare movie where you're like, oh, no, these teenagers are acting like teenagers where they make bad choices.

Elliott Kalan

[20:11] I mean, if he wants to learn about middle school, then like eighth grade is really good.

[20:15] Yeah, how is that?

Stuart Wellington

[20:16] I always – just the concept of a movie about eighth graders stressed me out.

Elliott Kalan

[20:21] I can understand that.

[20:22] I actually think it's a really good movie.

[20:25] And I'm someone who often gets a little annoyed by kind of Bo Burnham's stuff.

Stuart Wellington

[20:31] Oh, you find him – does he do annoying things?

Elliott Kalan

[20:35] It's just not my type of thing.

[20:36] But it is a very good movie.

[20:37] And it's not as –

[20:38] Kind of like such haters.

[20:39] It's not as depressing as it seems like it'll be.

Stuart Wellington

[20:43] Okay.

[20:43] Wow.

[20:44] Man, we're crushing these.

[20:45] How about Family Dynamics?

[20:48] What's a good movie to show Family Dynamics?

[20:52] Because Og's from a different type of family dynamic where he is – I don't know – rides dinosaurs and –

[20:59] Yeah.

[20:59] He can't explain yet.

[21:00] He doesn't have language.

Dan McCoy

[21:03] I don't know if this is the best –

[21:05] Maybe the Croods?

Elliott Kalan

[21:08] I mean, I feel like the Croods would be like too on the nose for Og.

[21:11] Og know this already.

Dan McCoy

[21:13] It's hard because, you know, all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way, et cetera, et cetera.

[21:20] Like I feel like Family Dynamics is so specific.

[21:22] Like I was – you know, like I was going back and forth between like, oh, everything, everywhere, all at once is a lot about Family Dynamics.

[21:30] But also a lot of it –

[21:31] Yeah, that movie won't confuse Og.

[21:32] Yeah, yeah.

[21:33] It's specifically tied to an Asian immigrant experience.

[21:38] But like what isn't tied to a specific experience?

[21:40] What good movie isn't?

Elliott Kalan

[21:42] Yeah, that's right.

[21:43] So it's hard to say.

[21:44] I think it's hard because there's a lot of movies – I mean, because also if you're making a movie about a family, it's often because something bad is happening to that family.

[21:51] And I don't necessarily want to give them a bad version of it.

[21:53] So I think – this is my – my gag suggestion is Fast and Furious, it's all about family.

[21:58] That's a good one.

[21:59] But my real suggestion, Adam's family.

[22:02] Barry Levin's and Adam's family – Barry Sonnenfeld's Adam's family.

[22:05] I think it's like they're a creepy family, but they are a solid, functional, loving family.

[22:12] They're arguably ooky or spooky, but they're a little kooky.

[22:18] But I think that's – if I wanted to show him –

[22:20] Would they kick and they – would they slap a friend?

[22:22] This is up to debate.

[22:23] We never see it canonically in the film.

[22:25] They're described that way.

[22:26] And slap.

[22:28] He sang the song, Dan.

[22:29] Yeah.

[22:30] But that would be – that would be my legitimate one.

[22:32] I feel like if you want to show a movie that where you're like, this is how a family operates when it loves each other.

[22:36] Like, even – and maybe don't show him the parts where Pugsley and Wednesday are trying to murder each other, but still.

Dan McCoy

[22:41] Yeah, that part might be confusing.

[22:42] Yeah.

[22:43] You make fun of me for confusing pics.

[22:45] He's like, I don't know if this is like – this is more out of the mainstream family than –

Elliott Kalan

[22:52] But also – but like, yeah, just their style, you know.

[22:54] But the fact that like they – it's a loving husband and wife, loving – they love their children.

[22:59] The children are trouble, but they still love them.

[23:01] His brother thinks comes back, and he feels so guilty about not finding him before.

[23:05] He's so excited he's there.

[23:07] Like –

[23:07] It's great.

[23:08] There's – I feel like, yeah, 100%.

[23:09] And it's going to teach people – it's going to teach him about kind of like a kind of Tim Burton-y type goth aesthetic.

Stuart Wellington

[23:16] Wait, is that Barry Sonnenfeld?

Dan McCoy

[23:18] Yeah.

[23:18] That's Barry Sonnenfeld, yeah.

[23:19] Those are his best movies, right?

[23:22] Well, he also did Get Shorty.

[23:24] That's a good one.

[23:25] Get Shorty I love.

[23:26] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[23:26] I think – and as a director, I think Adam's Family or Get Shorty probably is his best movie.

[23:32] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[23:33] I mean, I'm part of Adam's Family Values, but that's just because –

[23:36] I'm extra.

Elliott Kalan

[23:36] Adam's Family Values is really good.

Stuart Wellington

[23:37] I'm not the men in black fans that a lot of people are.

Dan McCoy

[23:40] Like, I like it okay.

[23:42] What, Adam's Family Values?

[23:43] No, I said I'm not the men in black fans that a lot of people are.

[23:45] Like, I like it fine.

[23:47] It's a really fun movie.

Stuart Wellington

[23:47] It's good, and it has like an all-time performance from –

Dan McCoy

[23:50] Yeah, no, it's good.

[23:51] I just put the other ones we mentioned above it.

[23:54] Yes.

[23:54] I mean, Adam's Family Values, you're right.

Elliott Kalan

[23:56] I think Adam's Family Values, I wouldn't show Og just yet because I don't think he'd be able to handle Joan Cusack.

Stuart Wellington

[24:00] Yeah, yeah.

[24:01] It's too intense.

[24:02] What a whirlwind of emotions.

Elliott Kalan

[24:05] Okay.

[24:05] I forgot – looking at him now, I forgot he directed Nine Lives, the movie where Kevin Spacey is a cat.

[24:11] And RV.

[24:11] That we talked about.

Dan McCoy

[24:12] You've had a real fall from grace.

[24:13] Yeah, it's too bad.

[24:15] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[24:17] Modern travel.

[24:19] What are we going to show Og for modern travel, whether that's subways, cars, bikes, planes?

Elliott Kalan

[24:26] I mean, there's one movie that does include planes, trains, and automobiles in it.

[24:30] Yeah.

[24:30] Okay, what is that movie?

[24:32] It's called Rat Race.

[24:33] No, it's Rat Race.

Stuart Wellington

[24:36] Mission Impossible, dead reckoning.

[24:38] Our mutual friend Tom is almost always recommending Rat Race to us.

[24:43] Really?

[24:44] Yeah, he has not recommended Rat Race to you.

Dan McCoy

[24:47] Wait, are we talking about the same Tom?

Stuart Wellington

[24:50] Yeah, Tom from Huckleberry Travel.

Dan McCoy

[24:52] Oh, that Tom.

[24:52] He loves Rat Race.

Stuart Wellington

[24:54] So you weren't talking about the same Tom?

Dan McCoy

[24:55] No, we weren't.

[24:56] But that's fine.

[24:57] I don't know why we're so scared of the same people.

[25:01] Yeah, I was not aware that he was such a Rat Race.

[25:03] He's a huge Rat Race fan.

[25:04] He's always like, hey, I love Rat Race.

Stuart Wellington

[25:06] You want to come watch it sometime?

Dan McCoy

[25:07] I guess.

[25:09] It's an uneven movie, but there are like two or three scenes that are very funny in it.

[25:14] Like the rest of it is not very good, but then it has like a couple of flashes of brilliance.

[25:17] There's some funny moments in it, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[25:19] Yeah.

[25:19] I haven't seen it yet.

[25:20] Maybe I should take Tom up on his own.

[25:21] I wouldn't say Rush to see it.

[25:24] Don't race.

[25:25] Speaking of Rush, the movie I would recommend is Premium Rush because I think it gives New

[25:30] York geography, which Ugg's going to have to be able to, you know, because the Flophouse

[25:34] is canonically in New York.

Elliott Kalan

[25:36] In New York, even though a third of it is in Los Angeles, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[25:38] But, you know, like your heart is still in New York, right?

[25:42] For sure.

[25:42] You left it there.

[25:44] I left it there.

[25:44] It's in a shoebox.

[25:45] It's slowly dying.

[25:46] But yeah, and I feel like Premium Rush really gets across the concept of, you know,

[25:51] making your way through the big city.

Elliott Kalan

[25:54] And he'll see Michael Shannon and he'll be like, I knew guys like that back in the Stone

[25:59] Age.

[25:59] I knew guys who had that kind of anger all the time.

Stuart Wellington

[26:03] He would be, Michael Shannon could be a modern man, a caveman.

[26:07] He could be it all.

[26:07] He can do it all.

Elliott Kalan

[26:08] He can be any period of history.

[26:10] Like, yeah.

[26:11] I mean, but also the thing, I love him, his performance in Premium Rush so much because

[26:14] it's like, he's so genuinely threatening and also such a clumsy, like, goof.

[26:19] Yes, yeah.

[26:19] He's constantly failing.

[26:21] But you are worried about him.

[26:22] Like, if you're worried, he's going to get his hands on the hero, you know?

Dan McCoy

[26:25] It's going to be scary.

[26:27] Like, the, I mean, it's not, this character is not scary, but the filmmakers explicitly

[26:32] said, you know, like, they're trying to do like a coyote and Roadrunner thing.

[26:35] And it's, it shows like on the funny side of things.

[26:38] Yeah.

[26:38] Like, he is a comically sort of bad luck villain, even while he's scary.

[26:45] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[26:47] Any other travel suggestions?

[26:48] We have planes, trains, and automobiles.

[26:51] I mean, if we're talking about.

Elliott Kalan

[26:52] That's a Premium Rush.

[26:53] If we're talking about movies with Michael Shannon in them too, then like Kangaroo Jack,

[26:56] there's a lot of travel in that.

Stuart Wellington

[26:59] Yep.

[26:59] That's, you, you remembered that he's in it.

Dan McCoy

[27:02] I guess, I don't know, around the world in 80 days has a lot of modes of travel in a lot

[27:07] of countries.

[27:08] Yeah.

[27:08] You know?

Stuart Wellington

[27:09] That's pretty useful for.

[27:11] It's semi-modern travel.

[27:12] Yeah.

[27:13] I mean, you know.

[27:14] It takes a balloon and shit, right?

[27:16] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[27:16] Not a lot of steamships these days.

[27:18] Or like, I mean, yeah, and there's, there's, I mean, a lot of the modern Bond movies, you

[27:22] know, I feel like they're, the older ones actually show him traveling more.

[27:26] Now it's usually they just cut to another country and it says like Monaco in big letters

[27:29] on the screen.

[27:29] Like, oh, we don't have to do that part.

[27:31] Yeah.

[27:32] People are familiar with airplanes now.

[27:33] So maybe an older James Bond movie.

[27:35] How about religion?

[27:38] What movie should we show up for religion?

Stuart Wellington

[27:42] First Reformed.

[27:43] Yep.

[27:43] That's, maybe that does a little double duty there.

[27:46] Now are we talking, now the question then is, are we talking about.

Dan McCoy

[27:48] Like there's so many religions, Stuart.

[27:50] What are we.

[27:50] That's the thing.

[27:51] A specific religion or the idea of religion, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[27:54] Well, if, if he has to exist in blend into a New York high school society.

[28:00] Okay.

[28:01] What.

Elliott Kalan

[28:02] I mean, I think.

[28:03] I mean, if it's high school religion, then like what saved, you know, something like

[28:07] that.

[28:07] That's not bad.

[28:08] Yeah.

[28:08] But I would also.

[28:09] A serious man.

[28:11] Oh, well, like, I'd, like, I'd say maybe Fiddler on the Roof, which is the main character

[28:15] literally is in dialogue with God the entire movie and talks about his religion, you know.

Dan McCoy

[28:20] Yeah.

[28:20] I mean, in, in America, there's a, you know, a broad spectrum of religions, but probably

[28:25] for the most part, he's going to encounter culturally Judeo-Christian stuff.

[28:30] So maybe like do a double feature slap a Jesus Christ superstar onto there.

[28:35] Yeah.

[28:36] So you're saying probably not like the serpent and the rainbow.

Elliott Kalan

[28:38] That wouldn't give him an idea of like the, the mainstream American religion.

Dan McCoy

[28:41] Yeah.

[28:41] I'm trying to see, I'm like, you know, see if there's something that gives more of a spectrum,

[28:46] but, uh, what are you going to do?

Stuart Wellington

[28:49] Do I see Exodus, uh, gods and kings?

[28:52] Yeah.

[28:55] Uh, God's not dead.

[28:56] Is that?

Dan McCoy

[28:56] We'll show him Bill Maher's religious.

Stuart Wellington

[28:59] I feel like that's going to be the opposite.

[29:01] We showed, we showed, we showed it to Og and he died.

[29:05] Yeah.

[29:07] Uh, yeah.

[29:08] Well, we were, we were in that.

[29:09] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[29:09] He hit himself with his club until he died.

Elliott Kalan

[29:11] We just, we just last weekend were in Boston for our Boston show when we were recording this.

[29:15] And I was, took a walk around and at the Boston music center or whatever it was, the one near Fenway, uh, there was a big, big electronic sign up advertising that Bill Maher was going to be there.

[29:25] And I was like, oh man, like a man, like I kind of, I kind of wish that, uh, that we were opening for him or something like that.

[29:32] So we could just mess up that show.

Stuart Wellington

[29:34] Just ruin it.

[29:35] Just kill the guys.

[29:36] Just unplug everything and run.

[29:38] Yeah.

[29:38] We, uh, my wife and I celebrated our, was it our, I think it was our, one of our, it might've been our last wedding anniversary.

[29:45] We went down to, it was kind of last minute.

[29:47] So we, uh, we went down to Atlantic city and we were getting dinner at the Borgata and we just saw a big sign that said, uh, that Sebastian Maniscalco,

[29:55] was going to be there of all places, Atlantic city.

[29:57] And I was like, Charlene, it's your guy.

Dan McCoy

[29:59] Did you, did you choose to meet there because they had blown up the chicken man in Philly last night?

[30:04] Hmm.

[30:05] Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Stuart Wellington

[30:07] I don't get that reference.

Dan McCoy

[30:08] Uh, Elliot, you're from New Jersey.

[30:10] You should understand this.

[30:12] It's a, it's a Springsteen song.

[30:14] It's a very famous one.

[30:15] Atlantic city.

Stuart Wellington

[30:16] Oh, I don't.

[30:17] Oh, Springsteen.

[30:18] Look, I'll be honest.

[30:19] He's a billionaire.

[30:19] I don't listen to his music anymore.

[30:20] This is the, this is the shame.

[30:22] Yeah, that's why.

Elliott Kalan

[30:23] The shame of my, of my life is I don't really connect to Springsteen's music very much.

[30:27] My dad loves him.

[30:27] My brother loves him.

[30:29] My brother will be like, yeah, yeah.

[30:30] I took a trip to Iceland.

[30:31] Bruce Springsteen was playing there and I wanted to see him, you know.

[30:34] Wow.

[30:35] But, uh.

Stuart Wellington

[30:35] That's, I mean, that's what Bruce Springsteen's songs are all about is Iceland.

Dan McCoy

[30:39] I'll just, I'll just box up that joke and submit it to the now over with Scott Aukerman,

[30:45] uh, Adam Scott Springsteen series.

[30:48] The thing is.

Stuart Wellington

[30:48] Yeah, yeah.

[30:49] Dan, I guarantee you, you'll get like one or two DMs from people that are like, Stuart

[30:53] and Elliot are crazy for not getting that reference.

[30:55] I got that one.

[30:56] You're the best, Dan.

[30:56] One of the movies from Brian Davis.

[30:58] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[30:59] This DM comes from my wife.

[31:02] So I'm gonna, I'm gonna recommend a movie that I think, uh, I'm gonna recommend two movies

[31:06] for this one for religion that I feel like maybe they're not the most best or most accessible

[31:11] movies.

[31:12] One of them I think is an amazing movie, but it's not the most accessible.

[31:14] And the other one is, okay, it's fine.

[31:15] But they're both about kind of religious belief and the questions surrounding that.

[31:22] And one of those is Silence, the Martin Scorsese movie, which I think is an amazing movie and

[31:26] should have gotten more attention from the world.

[31:28] And the other is Leap of Faith with Steve Martin, which Leap of Faith, when it came out,

[31:32] they sold it as like, funny man, Steve Martin, is that it again?

[31:36] This time he's a, he's an evangelist.

[31:37] But when you see it, it's like, it's about a guy who is coming to terms with the fact that

[31:42] he is playing on the faith of other people for greedy reasons.

[31:45] And when things start, when he starts, when that faith starts to become real in a way,

[31:50] he has trouble handling it.

[31:51] You know, it's, and I think that as it's, I've, it's something I haven't seen in years,

[31:54] but I remember it making a strong impression on me that it was felt more, much more

[31:57] complicated than I thought it was going to be going into it.

[32:00] Not as funny as I thought it was going to be.

[32:02] Yeah, yeah.

[32:02] But those are both movies about like, why people are religious, but also the pitfalls that come

[32:06] with that, you know.

Dan McCoy

[32:07] When you said about why and like pitfalls, I thought you were going to go with Life of

[32:11] Brian, which is also about, you know, sort of the lighter side of religion.

Stuart Wellington

[32:17] Dave Berg's the lighter side.

Dan McCoy

[32:22] No, but it has like some stuff about sort of the way religions form that could be useful.

Elliott Kalan

[32:27] I think the thing Life of Brian doesn't have is it doesn't have the, it is about the pitfalls

[32:32] of religion and how a good message can be kind of twisted or become covered, but it doesn't

[32:38] have the, it doesn't really deal with the concept of actual faith or the, or that kind of not

[32:43] knowing or knowing, you know.

[32:44] But it's such a great movie.

[32:46] Fantastic.

[32:46] And Og will be, Og will be impressed by Graham Chapman's penis.

Stuart Wellington

[32:50] Yeah, he's going to, yeah, I'll take a mental snapshot.

[32:55] So, or he could take a real snapshot.

[32:57] It's up to him.

[32:58] Yeah.

[32:58] I could do what he likes.

[32:59] Yeah.

[33:00] Of course, now we need a movie about teaching him how to use a camera.

[33:03] As I said, Og.

[33:04] I guess autofocus.

[33:06] Yeah.

[33:07] Yeah.

[33:08] Og over here, yeah, or there's segments of Road to Perdition.

[33:13] Yeah, sure.

[33:14] Yeah.

[33:14] Camera prominently used.

[33:15] So, Og here doesn't, you know, doesn't come from a capitalist society.

[33:20] So, he probably doesn't understand the idea of like going to work, going to a work day,

[33:25] working for the man.

[33:26] So, what would be a good, good movie to show Og what it's like to be working?

Dan McCoy

[33:34] Is day nine to five?

[33:35] Because then there's a movie that might be appropriate for that.

Stuart Wellington

[33:39] Nine to five is a solid answer.

Elliott Kalan

[33:41] Yeah.

[33:41] That's, I mean, nine to five was came to mind.

[33:42] Nine to five and Working Girl both came to mind.

[33:44] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[33:45] I mean, Blue Collar comes to mind if we're doing, if we're showing nothing.

[33:49] Oh, my God.

[33:50] Let's be faceless.

[33:51] Imagine showing a Neanderthal only Paul Schrader movies.

[33:57] So, everyone pervert who keeps journal, okay.

Dan McCoy

[34:01] We're going to show them these movies about how women get screwed in the workplace, and

[34:04] then we're going to show them this movie about how capitalism screws everyone in the workplace.

Stuart Wellington

[34:08] Yeah.

[34:08] I mean, this.

[34:09] Yeah, then Og suddenly is like super into online poker.

[34:12] Like, what's going on?

Elliott Kalan

[34:16] I was going to say, it does seem more likely that Og would get a job at a car factory rather than a job at a working girl or nine to five type office job.

[34:24] You know, which is not to say anything bad about those, but I think it's more likely to work a blue collar job.

[34:29] He doesn't have a degree.

Stuart Wellington

[34:30] I also like the last couple, the movies we just mentioned are all pretty old.

[34:36] And I've had this like kind of weird issue with a lot of media, whether it's TV or movies, that I feel like there's a certain increase in lifestyle porn to it.

[34:48] Oh, very much so.

[34:48] The stories of blue collar folks or like working class folks just aren't being told anymore.

[34:55] And like everybody's houses are fucking huge.

[34:59] And so like, do they make movies about this stuff anymore?

Elliott Kalan

[35:06] They do, but they're not big release movies.

[35:08] Yeah.

[35:09] They're not the kinds of movies that get into every theater the way they used to.

[35:13] There's certainly fewer movies where the main character by default is not rich or at least has any kind of money where – I mean like I recently on Father's Day, my kids and I went to go see E.T.

[35:23] And just the fact that like that family is doing okay, but they're not rich, whereas now that would be a story about either a rich kid or a kid who has no money.

[35:31] And is that the poverty line?

[35:32] Like there's nothing – there's no kind of in the middle where someone is not – can't just buy whatever they want but is not constantly in danger of falling into debt.

[35:44] Those are the only extremes that we see a lot, but it's mostly rich stuff that we see.

Stuart Wellington

[35:48] I was going to say like it was – it's like a couple months ago I went and saw Silence of the Lambs in the theater as part of Matt Singer's series about Siskel and Ebert thumbs up, thumbs down pairings where he showed two movies, one that Ebert gave a thumbs up, one Siskel gave a thumbs down to, and then did the inverse for the other screening.

[36:08] I can't remember what the other movie was, but Gene Siskel did not like Silence of the Lambs.

[36:14] He said it was too, you know, like too, what, flashy or something?

[36:18] Too like, you know, it's a weird argument because it makes sense.

[36:22] Like too slick or –

[36:24] No, just like too like –

[36:26] Sensational?

[36:27] I think sensational would be – is a better term.

[36:29] And especially like when watching it, so much of it takes place in these like small like steel towns and shit like that.

[36:37] And like all the extras look like regular people and they dress like regular people.

[36:44] And it's – watching it on this big screen, like you would – like I guess my memory had been so wrapped up in the like the mythologizing of Hannibal Lecter.

[36:53] Yeah.

[36:54] That you kind of forget that it's like a movie set in like America basically.

[36:59] Yeah.

[37:00] There's a – oh, sorry, we didn't say it in.

Dan McCoy

[37:02] Well, no, just Jonathan Timmy's like one of the best at just sort of capturing like on the ground what feels like normal life.

[37:11] And he brings it to what's, you know, like this sort of sensationalist potboiler.

Elliott Kalan

[37:16] Yeah.

[37:16] What you're saying, Stuart, reminds me of a – recently also I was – I hadn't watched Slapshot in many, many years.

[37:22] And I was watching that again and I'm like –

[37:24] With the kids, I would imagine.

[37:25] Yeah, they loved it.

[37:26] I mean, Sammy loves sports movies.

[37:28] So I'm like, oh, you're going to love this.

[37:29] We went to see Inside Out 2 and I was like, Sammy, did you like it?

[37:32] And he goes, yeah, there was a lot more hockey than I thought there was going to be.

[37:36] But –

[37:36] Put on the poster.

[37:37] There's the part in Slapshot, like the characters, it's similar.

[37:41] Like they're in real feeling places, real feeling clothes.

[37:43] And he goes to the owner of the team's house.

[37:46] And in that movie, that house is supposed to be like a really luxurious big house.

[37:50] And watching it, I was like, this is the house that every character in movies lives in now.

[37:54] Like this would just be a normal house in a movie now.

[37:56] Not – like we don't get to see as many movies where people don't have four bedrooms.

Stuart Wellington

[38:01] To me, the crazy frog is just a regular frog.

[38:03] Yeah, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[38:04] But I was going to say another work movie that maybe Og will enjoy is Monsters, Inc.

[38:09] Very much about having a job, needing to do it, not being – having ambitions to do a different job.

[38:15] You know, needing to deal with interpersonal rivalry with coworkers, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[38:20] I think it's kind of fucked up we didn't suggest the Flintstones or Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas.

[38:25] I feel like Og would really connect.

[38:28] Like he would see the parallels there between the work.

Elliott Kalan

[38:30] I feel it's the opposite.

[38:30] I feel he'd be like, oh, this what you think Og is?

[38:33] Og invented this minstrelry, you know, that kind of thing.

Dan McCoy

[38:37] Yeah, well, it would also be confused.

[38:39] It would just be confusing.

[38:40] It would feel like science fiction to him.

[38:42] Like he'd be like, wait, this is not – this is not the way it was.

[38:45] This is some weird mashup.

[38:46] Yeah.

[38:47] I don't understand.

[38:48] This hurts Og's brain.

Elliott Kalan

[38:50] And the thing is, Og would have no understanding of dinosaurs.

[38:52] He would – none at all.

[38:53] So, yeah, he would just think they were crazy monsters.

[38:55] Yeah.

[38:56] Yeah.

S5

[39:00] My name is Jordan Kruciola, and I love movies.

[39:04] But you know what I might love even more?

[39:07] Talking about movies.

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[39:14] Like our recent co-host, the writer and director, Justin Simeon.

S7

[39:17] And I love the premise of your show, Feeling Seen.

[39:20] I think that's kind of always my goal when I'm making something.

[39:23] Nothing touches my heart more than when someone comes out of my movie and says,

[39:26] oh my God, I never thought I would see myself.

S5

[39:28] So hang out with us and geek out about watching movies, making movies,

[39:32] and the ways the movies we love speak to us directly.

[39:34] You might just start asking folks around you,

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S6

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Dan McCoy

[40:27] Hey there, it's Dan with some Novocaine garbled announcements.

[40:34] I went to the dentist.

[40:36] They pumped me full of Novocaine.

[40:38] It was still painful when they tried to pull my back tooth.

[40:42] And so they said, go home.

[40:44] We're sending you another place tomorrow where you can get some gas.

[40:48] So I have a mouthful of a half worked on tooth and a bunch of drugs.

[40:54] Can I talk so you can understand me?

[40:57] Let's see.

[40:59] Hey, this podcast is sponsored by listeners like you.

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[41:10] But some folks also get j-j-j-jumbotrons for their friends, loved ones, and various hangers-on.

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[41:29] Welcome to middle age.

[41:31] Looking forward to growing much older alongside you as we make new memories and revisit the same old places,

[41:37] like Hinchelman's Bar during Jewish Christmas.

[41:41] Love you, my sympathetic string.

[41:44] Yeah, welcome to middle age indeed.

[41:48] Also, hey, we just announced recently Flop TV.

[41:53] You may be wondering, what is Flop TV?

[41:55] It's our full season of six monthly video live streams.

[42:00] We've taken sort of our live shows, crammed them down to an hour, added some zazz, some zazzle,

[42:07] to make them more like a streaming TV show.

[42:09] You can see them the first Saturday of every month from September through February.

[42:19] Sorry.

[42:20] My brain is still in that dentist chair.

[42:23] So this season, we're talking about bad sequels.

[42:27] That sounds fun, right?

[42:28] It's the second one of the Flop TV seasons.

[42:31] So we're talking about number twos.

[42:33] We're talking about, on September 7th, Robocop 2.

[42:37] On October 5th, it's Breaking 2, Electric Boogaloo, the movie with a subtitle that was a joke for years.

[42:46] November 2, Caddyshack 2, a sequel to a comedy that, I'll be honest, despite my age, I never found it all that funny.

[42:56] So to hear that Caddyshack 2 is a big step down, oh boy.

[43:02] December 7th, Highlander 2, The Quickening.

[43:04] I hear that some people really are partisans for this one.

[43:08] I'm curious to see.

[43:11] I might have a good time.

[43:13] Who knows?

[43:14] January 4th, Ski School 2.

[43:17] Stuart loves the Ski School movies.

[43:19] We know this.

[43:19] He talks about them all the time.

[43:21] So we're going to talk about the second one.

[43:23] Will we learn anything about the first one along the way?

[43:25] Who knows?

[43:26] Probably.

[43:28] First, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, The Secret of the Ooze.

[43:33] Finally, we'll know what's going on with that damn ooze.

[43:39] You can purchase individual show tickets for $7 or discount for $35 for the whole season.

[43:48] Now, I will say there are a few, what do you call them?

[43:55] You know, there's some fees, some ticketing service fees that make it a couple dollars more than those base things.

[44:02] I'm sorry about that.

[44:03] You know, we're a small organization.

[44:05] We have to use a ticketing service.

[44:06] But that's what it is.

[44:07] $7 per show, $35 for the whole season.

[44:11] You get a price break.

[44:11] It's like getting one show for free.

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[44:19] Theflophouse.simpleticks.com is where the information is.

[44:24] And ticket links.

[44:25] And you can also go to just our website, flophousepodcast.com.

[44:29] And if you click on that events link, you'll get the same info.

[44:34] So, yeah.

[44:36] Let's go back to the show.

[44:37] Why not?

Stuart Wellington

[44:38] Okay.

[44:39] So, what about the concept of growing up or growing old?

[44:44] Oh.

Dan McCoy

[44:45] I mean, we have to dig out the link ladder here, I think.

[44:50] Yeah.

[44:50] Like, either the, like, cheat and put in the whole before trilogy or…

[44:56] That would also cover the basis of love.

[44:58] Boyhood.

[44:59] Yeah, that's true.

[44:59] A movie that I didn't like as much as everyone did.

[45:02] But, you know, it does what it's supposed to.

Stuart Wellington

[45:05] You didn't like that the kid got older?

Dan McCoy

[45:07] I thought he looked weird.

[45:09] I just didn't find the kid that interesting.

[45:10] Like, even if you're going to do this movie about, like, the passage of time.

[45:14] Like, and I understand that, like, now I feel like I'm criticizing a real person because it was sort of, like, you know, developed alongside the…

[45:22] The kid's actual life.

[45:22] The kid's life.

[45:23] But I don't know.

[45:24] I just, I found, you know, the parents more compelling than the kid.

Elliott Kalan

[45:30] Yes.

[45:30] I think that, I think it is, it is slightly hurt by the fact that the parents are played by two amazing actors who are bringing a lot to it.

[45:38] And the kid is just kind of living life.

[45:39] But also, Richard Linklater, I think, is more interested in that period of life when you are a teenager and you think you know everything about the world.

[45:47] And you have your philosophies and your dreams than I personally am.

[45:50] So when I was watching that movie, too, I was like, I don't give a shit what this kid thinks.

[45:53] Like, show me what's going on with the parents.

[45:55] There's this scene where his art teacher, his photography teacher is like, look, you're more talented than other people, but you're not trying at all.

[46:02] And they're going to get jobs and you're not going to get them because they're going to do the work and you're not going to do it because you think you can just skate by on talent.

[46:09] And I was like, I'm not used to seeing this kind of scene and this is exactly what this kid needs to hear.

[46:15] And then the movie was kind of like, yeah, but he's not really listening anyway.

[46:19] And it just kind of went off in its direction.

[46:20] I was like, oh, this kid had a chance.

[46:22] Anyway, so you do that.

[46:24] There's also…

[46:25] Straighten up and fly right, kid.

[46:27] This is more about…

[46:27] Is that what it is?

[46:28] Yeah.

[46:29] I mean, that is kind of my message to the kids of America.

[46:31] But this is more about old age than it is about youth.

[46:35] But like Nebraska, I feel like, is a good movie for like what it feels like to be older, to have your life.

[46:41] Another Alexander Payne.

[46:42] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[46:44] So…

[46:44] It really punches up the fact that only a few working directors are saying anything substantive about life.

[46:53] But I mean…

[46:54] I mean, I enjoy the genre garbage too.

[46:57] Don't get me wrong.

[46:58] Don't get mad at me for…

[46:59] No, but it would be nice…

[47:00] I'm very easy on movies, but…

Elliott Kalan

[47:01] It would be nice if there was a greater variety of tones of film and kind of levels of complexity of film in your modern day multiplex.

[47:10] You know?

Stuart Wellington

[47:10] Yeah, yeah.

[47:10] Why can't I just go see The Fall Guy all the time?

[47:13] Yeah, a movie that I loved.

[47:15] I mean, you can now.

[47:16] You can own it now.

[47:17] Own it digitally.

[47:18] That's amazing.

[47:19] Fall Guy.

[47:19] I can see it all.

[47:20] Can I…

[47:21] When can I get my Criterion Collection Blu-ray of The Fall Guy?

Dan McCoy

[47:25] It'll probably be a while down the road.

[47:27] Okay, see the book.

[47:28] It has to be reclaimed critically as a…

[47:31] You know…

[47:31] As an effervescent entertainment of years past.

[47:34] Mm-hmm.

[47:35] Mm-hmm.

[47:35] Yeah, that makes sense.

Stuart Wellington

[47:37] Okay.

[47:38] So, death.

[47:40] What are we going to show Ugg to get across the concept of death and dying?

Elliott Kalan

[47:46] I mean, there's a whole movie that's literally just about the faces of death.

Stuart Wellington

[47:50] Yep.

[47:52] Yep.

[47:52] Obviously, Final Destination is a solid option.

Dan McCoy

[47:57] I mean, it kind of is because, like, both that and It Follows are about the inevitability of death.

Elliott Kalan

[48:03] I don't know if Final Destination is in quite the same way that It Follows is.

Dan McCoy

[48:07] I mean, look, is one artier?

[48:10] Sure.

[48:10] But, like, that is the fundamental thing about the Final Destination movies is, like, yeah, you can make death skip over you for a little while, but it's eventually going to catch up to you.

[48:19] And that's kind of, like, what makes them…

Stuart Wellington

[48:21] It's like…

[48:22] Not to…

[48:24] But, like, do you feel like…

[48:25] I feel like It Follows is more about, like, growing up too fast than it is about, like, death.

Elliott Kalan

[48:31] It Follows, to me, was about…

[48:32] It was about death and about…

[48:34] That the…

[48:35] You cannot avoid it, and the only way to deal with it is to make connections with other people.

[48:39] That's what I got from it.

[48:40] Like, that last…

[48:41] That last…

[48:42] If I'm remembering correctly, because I haven't seen it in years, but that last shot at the end where they're walking and there's kind of, like, a blurred figure behind them and you don't know if it's the It or something else.

[48:50] And they just kind of hold hands.

[48:52] It's like, that's all we can do.

[48:53] We're all being followed by death, and all we can do is love each other in the meantime.

Stuart Wellington

[48:56] I was watching it the other day, but I mainly got distracted because the one character has an e-reader that is, like, a little clamshell.

[49:03] Yeah, yeah.

[49:03] And it's incredible.

[49:04] Yeah.

[49:04] It's amazing.

[49:05] Where do you get those?

Dan McCoy

[49:06] What an amazing choice that is.

[49:07] That was…

[49:08] That's one of the things that, like, I didn't even sort of notice when I first saw it.

[49:13] Like, it registered as, like, oh, that's weird.

[49:15] But, like, the intent was that this is, like, a reality sort of different from our own, maybe, like, a little in the future or whatever.

[49:22] Like, I know from, like, reading interviews with the director, but the rest of the movie is so grounded in everyday reality as it exists that it didn't even, like, occur to me that that could be possible.

[49:35] Yeah, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[49:36] But even though, like, that's another one, though, where, like, that's a movie that feels like it's taking place in real places, like we were talking about before.

[49:42] Like, they've got…

[49:43] Oh, yeah.

[49:44] She's got a little clam e-reader, but also, like, they have an above-ground pool, you know?

[49:48] Like, it's a…

[49:50] And that's what the future is going to be, all the crap that we have now with a bunch of new stuff tossed on top of it.

[49:56] You know, it's not going to be all new stuff.

Stuart Wellington

[49:58] Yeah, it's like when a movie…

[50:02] When, like, I was complaining about Maxine, which is a movie that I like quite a bit, but it feels a little bit like it's cosplaying the 80s, where it's, like, everything is exactly what you would imagine from the 80s.

[50:12] Whereas, like, in the actual 80s, most of the shit people had was from the 70s, you know?

[50:17] Yeah, very much so.

[50:18] I feel like that's a concept that, like, the set design and costuming in a show like Mad Men actually got a… had a pretty good understanding of.

Elliott Kalan

[50:25] I mean, they did…

[50:26] Mad Men, they did such a good job of it.

[50:28] Yeah, that, like, it wasn't just everyone didn't dress 60s style.

[50:31] I mean, also the fact that…

[50:32] It's not like the fucking Goldbergs or something.

[50:34] Yeah, or, like, The Wedding Singer or something like that, you know?

[50:36] Yeah, thank you.

Stuart Wellington

[50:38] Okay, so, man, we're tacking this off.

[50:42] Movie's about death, I'm saying.

[50:43] Yeah, we just talked about death.

[50:46] I don't know what…

Dan McCoy

[50:47] I don't think we actually said anything, but that's fine because, you know, we got to keep moving, right?

Stuart Wellington

[50:52] Yeah, we got to keep moving.

[50:54] Love, what's a good movie to introduce Og to the concept of love?

[50:59] Ah, love.

[51:00] Romantic love.

[51:00] What is love?

[51:01] Yeah, romantic love.

[51:01] Not just the physical act of love, yeah.

[51:03] Don't hurt me.

[51:04] And not just family.

[51:05] I have a number of short clips I could show.

[51:07] I know this isn't the full thing.

Elliott Kalan

[51:11] It's fine.

[51:11] We could just watch the preview.

[51:12] It'll give you the gist of it.

[51:14] Mm-hmm.

[51:16] The gist.

Dan McCoy

[51:18] Movies about love.

[51:19] I don't think they made any movies about love.

Elliott Kalan

[51:20] Yeah, I'm not familiar.

[51:21] I don't think they do a lot of that.

[51:23] I mean, to be honest, this is a movie that a lot of people don't like.

[51:26] But I've talked about it before on the podcast because I saw it at a very important time in my life

[51:32] when I went to see it with my wife when we were falling in love.

[51:34] And that's The Fountain, the Darren Aronofsky movie.

[51:37] Yeah.

[51:37] And that's a movie that is about a man who loves a woman so much that he spends the rest of eternity

[51:42] basically trying to find the way to bring her to life.

[51:45] And so it's in there.

[51:47] That's a healthy way to process your emotions.

Dan McCoy

[51:49] I'm trying to find one where like – I mean, my biggest problem with a lot of movies about love is they don't –

[51:54] Oh, man.

Stuart Wellington

[51:54] Dan just scrolled past Portrait of a Lady on Fire.

[51:56] I'm showing Og that shit.

[51:57] I love it.

Dan McCoy

[51:59] Thanks.

[52:00] The main problem I have with movies about love is so many of them sort of actually don't actually show the process of falling in love.

[52:09] They kind of like skip over and expect you to be like – you know, like – and of course, you know, I don't know.

[52:18] It's preordained that these two people like each other.

[52:21] Well, I think – let's – yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[52:23] Then I wonder if – yep.

[52:25] Well, the –

[52:25] And then there's –

Dan McCoy

[52:26] Thank God we're – the Zoom doesn't cause any problems.

Stuart Wellington

[52:32] No, I just –

[52:33] No, that was just me, Dan.

Dan McCoy

[52:34] I was doing that on purpose.

[52:35] Okay.

[52:36] You know, so many romantic comedies are like people meet, they fall in love because it's love in first sight.

[52:42] They break up for equally dumb reasons and then they get back together and we're supposed to be like, yeah, great.

[52:47] And I was looking for one that sort of shows the process at least.

[52:51] And I don't know.

[52:52] It's a wacky pick, but it's the first one that came up that met the criteria is that movie Palm Springs, which is sort of a Groundhog Day scenario, romantic comedy, where at least you spend time with these people and you understand like why they grow to like one another.

Elliott Kalan

[53:08] Yeah.

[53:09] I've got a couple – based on that, Dan, you've really made me think about it.

[53:12] And basically we already talked about the before movies.

[53:16] Like I feel like that's – that does a really good job of like – because they don't – they're not with each other at the end.

[53:21] You know, they have that moment and then it eventually comes back.

[53:24] But also like past lives is very much about that to me.

[53:27] Past lives is great.

[53:27] Like you see them getting closer from afar, you know, and building that relationship.

[53:33] And also –

[53:33] Even if it doesn't end up in the end, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[53:35] Part of the concept of love is understanding that it might not work out.

[53:40] Yeah.

[53:40] And you can't possess someone.

[53:42] Like Portrait of a Lady on Fire.

Dan McCoy

[53:44] I object to this only from the standpoint of like for me the theme of past lives is not so much that these people are like actually falling in love.

[53:52] It's that they are witnessing a different course that their life might have taken and feeling a certain like feeling about that and feeling like wistful about it.

Elliott Kalan

[54:03] The major part of that different course is them being in a loving relationship.

[54:07] With John Magaro, indie movie darling.

Dan McCoy

[54:11] Yeah, but that's my point.

[54:12] Like I think that like it's a movie about even if you have sort of a romantic relationship that you like and you have no interest in disrupting, like there are all these paths that close off to you as you go older.

[54:26] And it's okay to feel a little sad about those things.

[54:29] Like I feel like the love there is like the love that endures on the side of the marriage, not this sort of fantasy of something.

Elliott Kalan

[54:40] Yeah, that's fine.

[54:42] It's still love.

[54:43] It's still a movie about love.

Stuart Wellington

[54:44] Okay.

[54:45] It's still love.

[54:46] Okay.

[54:49] Clothes.

[54:50] Clothes?

[54:51] Clothes.

[54:52] Yeah, Ogg doesn't have clothes.

[54:53] Okay.

[54:54] He's not used to clothes, why we wear them, et cetera.

Elliott Kalan

[54:56] I don't know, like Phantom Thread.

Stuart Wellington

[54:59] I was going to say the birdcage because they wear some sick fits.

Dan McCoy

[55:03] You just want to talk about clothes.

[55:05] Like good clothes in movies.

Stuart Wellington

[55:08] We talked about travel.

[55:09] What about pets?

[55:10] The concept of having pets.

Dan McCoy

[55:14] Well, not the secret life of pets because I haven't seen it.

[55:18] And I think it's about pets doing things that pets don't actually.

Elliott Kalan

[55:20] It would give an erroneous view of pets and how they interact with things.

Stuart Wellington

[55:24] What about that Cats and Dogs movie where they're like spies?

Dan McCoy

[55:29] Cats and Dogs.

[55:30] Yeah.

[55:31] Or are you talking about Cats and Dogs 2, the return of Kitty Galore?

[55:35] I don't know what I'm talking about.

[55:36] That's the one he was talking about.

[55:37] Punt on Pussy Galore.

[55:38] An off-color double entendre.

Elliott Kalan

[55:40] I think I'm going to recommend, if we're trying to teach Og about pets, I think then, I mean, this is a sad movie, but like Kez, the British movie about the boy who gets a pet Kestrel.

[55:57] And it's like the one kind of beautiful thing in his life for the time that he has it.

[56:02] That's one about the relationship that can build between a human and an animal.

Dan McCoy

[56:06] How about Old Yeller?

[56:09] Only because of the pet ties of that.

[56:11] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[56:11] Yeah, do sad ones like.

[56:12] A Dog's Purpose.

[56:13] Yeah.

[56:14] Can You Ever Forgive Me?

[56:15] That's got a really sad pet moment in it.

[56:19] I feel like Og can take away some other really cool stuff about 90s New York from Can You Ever Forgive Me?

[56:24] Sure, sure.

[56:24] Yeah.

[56:25] Mm-hmm.

[56:26] Richard E. Grant.

[56:26] I love Richard E. Grant.

[56:27] Yeah.

[56:28] Okay.

[56:28] And let's wrap this up.

[56:30] Og needs to learn one more thing.

[56:33] Okay.

[56:33] And he needs to learn about art.

[56:34] What is a good movie?

[56:36] What is the movie to teach him about art and the process of making it and what art means to people?

[56:43] Hmm.

Dan McCoy

[56:44] Interesting.

[56:44] All these things are like, there's so many facets of the different thing.

[56:47] I know.

[56:48] If you want.

[56:49] Og's a complicated guy.

[56:51] If you want like a movie about sort of like what, like the business side of art and like the weird ways in which the art world exists today.

[57:02] There's something like exit through the gift shop.

[57:04] Or if you want like sort of more of a, I don't know, a movie about process.

[57:09] I forget.

[57:09] What's that movie that's just like someone painting someone for like three hours?

[57:14] What am I thinking of?

[57:16] Uh.

[57:16] Emanuel Beart.

[57:18] Beart in it?

[57:19] Or am I thinking?

Elliott Kalan

[57:19] It's the one I remember you.

[57:20] I remember.

[57:21] No, I remember hearing about it, but I don't remember the name of it.

[57:23] But I know the one you're talking about, I think.

Stuart Wellington

[57:25] I'm surprised Dan didn't already say The Artist Academy Award winning.

Elliott Kalan

[57:29] Right there in the title.

[57:30] So two movies I would recommend then.

[57:35] Neither of the most accessible, I guess, in some ways.

[57:38] Sure.

[57:38] It's like there are, I would look at not the whole movie, but the portion of Andrei Rublev that is about the making of that giant church bell.

[57:48] And just how much work goes into it and how important it is to the guy who's running the operation and everything like that.

[57:57] How he becomes an artist through doing that.

[57:59] But also like, I don't know, like this is a bonkers one, but like Velvet Buzzsaw, which I think is not a lot of people's favorites.

[58:07] That's a bonkers one.

[58:08] It is like, it's a satire on the art world.

[58:11] But also at the very end of it, the scene where John Malkovich is just kind of drawing things in the sand.

[58:17] He's drawing these designs in the sand that will not last.

[58:20] And he is the one character who doesn't get horribly mangled or murdered because he's just making art for the sake of doing it rather than for the sale of it.

[58:27] And he knows that those designs he's creating are not going to last.

[58:30] They'll go away as soon as he makes them.

[58:31] But the process of making art is so enjoyable to him that he's kind of – he's making art for the reason to make art, which is to make art rather than to sell it.

[58:43] So I think that by the end – I found that moment in that movie really, really touching, even though a lot of the other stuff in the movie is like all over the place.

Dan McCoy

[58:51] It's a little silly.

[58:52] I found the movie I was thinking of by correctly identifying the actress who played the model.

[58:56] It's La Belle Noises.

Elliott Kalan

[58:59] Oh, that's not the one I was thinking of.

[59:01] I probably said that terribly, but –

[59:03] What about – what would you guys think about Ed Wood?

[59:05] Oh, that's a good one.

[59:07] It's a movie about someone who's not a talented artist but is so driven to create and is so passionate about it and creates this kind of community of people through the action of making art, even if the art he's making is terrible.

Stuart Wellington

[59:17] Yeah, like kind of along those lines, maybe something like American Movie.

Elliott Kalan

[59:20] Oh, I was going to say along those lines.

[59:22] Yeah, American Movie is a great one.

Dan McCoy

[59:23] Yeah.

[59:23] Be Kind Rewind.

[59:25] Yeah.

[59:26] Also sort of just the joy of creating a thing, even though they're recreating a thing.

Elliott Kalan

[59:30] I think that's – I think rather than – I think that's it.

[59:32] We would want to show Og something that is about the act of creation rather than about this cultural idea of art maybe.

[59:40] You know, start him on the right track at least.

[59:41] Because, you know, he's probably like made some handprints in some caves.

[59:46] Maybe he's painted like a buffalo or something.

[59:48] Og is nodding.

[59:49] Oh, yeah.

[59:50] That's nice.

[59:50] So he understands that desire to make your mark on the physical world and to make your imagination visual.

[59:57] But he doesn't need to know just yet that like there's millions of dollars to be made if you cut up a fucking shark and put it from Al to Hyde.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:03] He doesn't need to be hampered by, I don't know, preconceived notions of what is good or bad art.

[1:00:08] Yes.

[1:00:09] Just the act of creation.

[1:00:11] The act of creation, exactly.

[1:00:12] Okay, well, I think we actually have – this is a pretty good list of movies.

[1:00:16] We probably should start popping them in the old DVD player and showing Og these movies before Mom comes home.

[1:00:22] It's going to take a while.

[1:00:23] Well, yeah, let's buckle our freak belts on.

[1:00:26] So this has been a Flophouse Mini.

[1:00:29] We are a product of the – well, we're part of the Max podcast.

[1:00:33] Yeah, we're a product of ourselves, Stuart.

[1:00:35] Exactly.

[1:00:35] Yeah, come on.

[1:00:36] That's true.

[1:00:36] Yeah, we're a small business.

[1:00:37] You know, we're independent art.

[1:00:39] I prefer to think of myself as a person and not a product.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:41] But I guess we're all products these days, yeah.

[1:00:43] Well, you know, we're incorporated.

[1:00:45] Can I recommend another art movie for Og?

[1:00:47] For kids incorporated.

[1:00:48] Of course.

[1:00:48] It's similar to the stuff we're talking about, but like American Splendor is another one that I would consider showing.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:52] You know, the need to create –

[1:00:54] Okay, toss on the pile.

[1:00:55] Toss on – Dan's getting stressed out about all the movies we have to watch.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:59] The movies that we have to watch for this hypothetical situation.

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:04] Yeah, I'll throw in –

[1:01:04] I want to understand modern life.

[1:01:06] Yeah, I'll throw in the square so he understands what museums are like.

[1:01:10] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:11] I wonder – maybe we just need to show movies with modern in the title.

[1:01:14] Modern romance.

[1:01:15] Modern problems.

[1:01:16] Modern problems, yeah.

[1:01:17] Yeah.

[1:01:18] Well, that's it.

[1:01:19] Those are the only two.

[1:01:20] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:20] Those are the only two movies.

[1:01:21] Early modern movie.

[1:01:23] Uh-huh.

[1:01:25] Yeah.

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