Ep.#433 - Dangerous Game: The Legacy Murders

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Dangerous Game, The Legacy Murders.

[0:05] Have you ever wanted to watch a song movie directed by the Bratz director?

[0:09] Well, here it is!

[0:30] Hey everyone, welcome to the Flophouse, I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:38] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:40] And I'm Elliot Kaelin riding a bicycle down some stairs.

[0:44] Oh that's what's happening, for a second I thought he died, yeah.

[0:50] That's the thing, I feel like, is that why ghosts sound like that?

[0:53] Because they are riding a bicycle down the stairs and then they die?

[0:56] Exactly, they all died riding bicycles down stairs and they continue to do so in the afterlife.

[0:59] That actually makes sense, yeah, it's the Beetlejuice rules.

[1:02] Yeah, and they're all penny farthings, so it's a lot of jiggling, it's very painful.

[1:07] Uh huh, wait, penny farthing is the giant wheel and the little wheel?

[1:10] Yep, moment shakers they used to call them.

[1:12] Why do they call it a penny farthing?

[1:14] Because one wheel is the size of a penny and one's the size of a farthing in relation to each other, right?

[1:18] That actually makes perfect sense, okay.

[1:20] I'm glad Elliot had the actual answer.

[1:23] I thought I was going to be setting up some comedy bits.

[1:25] Nope, this show is all about getting things right.

[1:29] Welcome to Strangely Incredibly Fascinating Today Bicycles.

[1:34] Today Terms for Bicycles, not the bicycles themselves, just the words.

[1:40] Did you know bicycle means two cycle?

[1:43] Oh, okay, let me check your math on that.

[1:47] Yeah, you're right.

[1:48] It's not that fascinating, but...

[1:50] I've got some interesting surprise information for you about tricycles.

[1:56] Oh no, maybe save that for later.

[1:58] I'm already a little worked up.

[2:00] I don't want to be too hard on you.

[2:03] I'm at half mass already, Elliot.

[2:05] Hey, we're shading into the fall months.

[2:10] Of course, we've got a couple of theme months in the fall.

[2:14] You're at the flop house, a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then talk about it.

[2:19] Yeah, let's set up the premise.

[2:21] It's that, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[2:24] Should I say it too, just to round the horn?

[2:27] Two cycles?

[2:28] That we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it?

[2:30] Put your own mustard on it.

[2:31] Yeah, there you go.

[2:32] Well, we watch a bad movie and we talk about it.

[2:35] This is a long flight of stairs.

[2:37] I'm amazed that you can keep the microphone with you during this trip.

[2:41] It's a headset mic.

[2:43] Yeah, we do that.

[2:45] I'm on my way to a TED talk.

[2:49] And, you know, oftentimes, most of the year, we watch bigger Hollywood pictures.

[2:54] Because why make fun of movies that people aren't really going to see anyway?

[3:00] Why punch down?

[3:01] It would be like hitting a ferret.

[3:03] But, you know, once a year.

[3:05] Us being titans of podcasting.

[3:07] Exactly.

[3:08] Striding over the earth, stuffing villagers into our gaping maw.

[3:12] But once a year, we get a dispensation from the bad movie pope to do some small movies.

[3:18] It's called Small Timber or Small Vember, depending on, you know.

[3:22] Whether you're right or wrong.

[3:23] Yeah.

[3:26] And for this one, this was a movie we made reference to another Max Fun podcast earlier.

[3:33] Let's do another Max Fun reference.

[3:35] This was recommended by Justin McElroy of My Brother, My Brother and Me and The Adventure Zone.

[3:41] He said, you got to check this out.

[3:44] The actual podcast titan striding the earth and stuffing villagers into his maw.

[3:48] Unlike us.

[3:49] Yeah.

[3:50] I think he may have seen it on a plane.

[3:52] Dan McCoy style.

[3:53] Seems odd.

[3:54] I don't know why they would have it on a plane.

[3:55] Maybe I'm making that up.

[3:56] But anyway.

[3:57] Yeah.

[3:58] I mean, the story stretches credibility, Dan.

[4:01] There's too many holes in the idea that he could watch this movie on a plane.

[4:05] One more thing.

[4:06] One more thing.

[4:07] There are planes which are famous for only carrying the creme de la creme of cinema for

[4:11] your viewing entertainment.

[4:13] I thought you were going to say, like, the story has changed over the years.

[4:17] It's in the retelling.

[4:19] Yeah.

[4:20] Originally, it was watched on a stagecoach.

[4:21] Yeah.

[4:24] They updated it for the 21st century.

[4:26] Yeah.

[4:27] This is called, as we said, Dangerous Game, The Legacy Murders.

[4:31] The biggest name here is Jon Voight.

[4:35] You know, no stranger, certainly in the back half of his career, to bad movies.

[4:40] Yeah.

[4:41] Directed by his guy, Sean McNamara, who did, as Stuart said, Bratz and a bunch of baby

[4:47] geniuses, direct-to-video sequels, and I see Elliot wanting to say it, so why don't you

[4:51] say it?

[4:52] He's in theaters.

[4:53] Oh, I thought you were going to say he's in theaters now.

[4:56] A little movie called Reagan, directed by Sean McNamara of Bratz fame.

[5:02] It's a movie where they hired that huge musician to play Frank Sinatra, Scott Stapp from the

[5:09] band Creed, and I'm like, Woody Allen's son is right there, just cast him.

[5:15] That was one of the, not to make light of a family that's been through a lot of turmoil,

[5:22] but when Mia Farrow was like, actually, his father might be Frank Sinatra, and I was like,

[5:28] really?

[5:29] The guy who shares a head with him?

[5:30] The guy he looks just like?

[5:32] I was going to say, Dan, that the movie also features one of the Bratz, Skylar Shay.

[5:37] She was the athletic woman in Bratz.

[5:40] Sporty Bratz.

[5:41] Yeah, Sporty Bratz.

[5:42] That's nice.

[5:43] When you were watching Bratz, I'm sure Dan was like, I wonder what it would look like

[5:46] if she had her guts ripped out.

[5:48] God.

[5:49] Because that's what happens in this movie.

[5:51] Dan's like, I'll never find out what that would be like if she had a dog whistle stuffed

[5:55] into her gut, and Jonathan Rhys-Meyer had to pull it out of her.

[5:58] I'll never know.

[5:59] Shockingly brutal for the people involved and the cover of the thing.

[6:06] It looks like it's going to be a clue.

[6:08] Yeah, it looks like it's going to be a drawing room Agatha Christie mystery, but it is much

[6:11] more of a saw than anything else, in that we saw it.

[6:15] We did see it.

[6:16] And now let's talk about it.

[6:19] When I put this movie on Paramount+.

[6:24] On your top ten list of the year?

[6:26] Yeah.

[6:27] When you put this movie on your sight and sound top ten list, because Dan is like, now

[6:31] that I'm in the highest echelons of podcasting titandom, I'm going to send in my list of

[6:37] sight and sound, but I'm going to put only bad movies on it, just to skew the results.

[6:41] Yeah.

[6:42] When I hit play on this movie, I forgot that I had actually skipped an ad for a second.

[6:49] I'm like, oh, they didn't even want an ad to be on this.

[6:51] But the movie jumps right in without any production logos or anything.

[6:56] Media res.

[6:58] Is this the movie?

[6:59] Did the movie start?

[7:00] I was confused.

[7:01] To be honest, I had the same thing.

[7:02] I thought for a moment that there was a mistake, because it does feel like it has suddenly

[7:05] started, not just in media res, like in the middle of an action, but in the middle of

[7:10] a scene that has not been set up properly.

[7:12] Yes.

[7:13] And that scene, there's a redhead lady.

[7:16] She's screaming for help.

[7:18] She's in some sort of evidence dungeon that also has a wall with video projections on

[7:23] it, like it's an art installation.

[7:24] It's pretty cool.

[7:25] Yeah.

[7:26] There's a voice that says, welcome to the murder castle.

[7:30] And she is gassed and presumably dies on the floor later on.

[7:36] I'm assuming Elliot immediately clocked one of the images in the evidence dungeon was

[7:41] H.H. Holmes.

[7:43] This is exactly what I was going to ask you guys.

[7:45] If I was alone, the minute he said murder castle, I said, oh, this is related to H.H.

[7:50] Holmes in some way.

[7:51] And I wondered if that was a tip off to you guys, or if I'm the only one who read Devil

[7:55] in the White City.

[7:56] No, I read it too.

[7:57] Isn't that written by Eric Larson?

[7:59] And I'm like, oh, the Savage Dragon guy?

[8:02] Yeah.

[8:03] There's three Eric Larson's and it's not the Savage Dragon guy who wrote that book.

[8:07] Yeah.

[8:08] Also Disney animator Eric Larson.

[8:09] But it is in Chicago, right?

[8:10] Just like Savage Dragon.

[8:11] I mean, I don't know if Eric Larson, I stopped reading Savage Dragon at a certain point.

[8:15] So I wonder if Eric Larson was ever like, I'll jump on this bandwagon into the Savage

[8:19] Dragon versus H.H.

[8:20] Holmes story.

[8:21] But as soon as they said murder castle, I was like, okay, so this is related to the

[8:24] Devil in the White City in some way.

[8:26] Not only, I texted Elliot this, like not only have I read Devil in the White City.

[8:31] We have a separate group chat and I'm not in on it.

[8:34] Don't worry.

[8:35] We only talk about you on it.

[8:36] Oh, okay.

[8:37] That's fine.

[8:38] I was like, out of Stuart and Elliot.

[8:40] You're so mean to me in the normal group chat.

[8:43] No, we only say nice things in our separate one.

[8:45] I like how you said a separate group chat.

[8:47] It's just two people.

[8:48] It's not really a group.

[8:50] As if Stuart gets it worse than anyone.

[8:53] No, I, well, I sent it to Elliot in part because I'm like, which of, like, maybe I'm wrong.

[9:00] Maybe you're a big Rick Geary fan.

[9:02] I thought that Elliot might be more of a Rick Geary head.

[9:04] I do like Rick Geary's stuff also, but to be honest, I had not read Rick Geary's H.H.

[9:08] Holmes one.

[9:09] At a certain point, I stopped reading the Treasure of Victorian Murder books because

[9:12] they started to make me feel bad.

[9:13] Well, yes, we got off track before explaining the reason.

[9:16] I was saying to Elliot that not only, yeah, on top of reading Devil in the White City,

[9:21] but I read Treasure of Victorian Murder the day before I watched this movie.

[9:27] And specifically the H.H.

[9:28] Holmes segment of it.

[9:30] And so it was very wild to then have him, spoiler, figure more prominently in this film

[9:35] than I would have.

[9:36] You're like, wow, that's all anyone's talking about.

[9:39] His name's on everybody's list.

[9:41] Herlock, Herlock Holmes.

[9:43] Yeah, this unseen movie, this comic that was written decades ago.

[9:47] Everybody's talking about him.

[9:49] Dan, I mean, the scary thing is that Dan was like, does this mean I have to become a serial

[9:54] killer with a murderous hassle?

[9:56] Is that what the universe is telling me?

[9:58] So it's a lot of.

[10:00] work. It's a lot of work. But at this point in the movie, the movie is banking on you not being

[10:05] as familiar with the work of prolific 19th century serial killer H.H. Holmes as we were. So I think

[10:12] you're supposed to be like, what, what, huh? You're not supposed to know what's going on.

[10:16] But anyway, the scene's in, we finally get the production info, SP Media,

[10:20] probably stands for scary picture. Suppressive person media, it's a Scientology thing, yeah.

[10:25] Yeah, we get the credits over some evidence flashes and clue style board game pieces.

[10:31] It is like this. These opening credits are like not as nice as the credits for the traitors,

[10:37] the the like reality competition show my wife and I've been watching all the time.

[10:41] It's basically like a reality competition show version of the game Werewolf.

[10:46] OK, so there's like it like flashes of like board game pieces, a flash of a knife.

[10:52] Yeah, we're like, oh, a mystery is afoot and we will be part of this dangerous game.

[10:58] It's a full motion video adventure to the man, the man you would expect in a murder mystery.

[11:05] Will Sasso, the the movie is a Will Sasso puts in a pretty fun performance.

[11:12] No, I mean, like, look, I do. I mostly associate Will Sasso with being

[11:18] curly and the ill-fated Three Stooges movie personally, perhaps.

[11:24] But, you know, he's he's an actor. He's been around for a while.

[11:27] He puts a lot of stuff. He's in a lot of TV shows.

[11:30] Yeah. Yeah. He seems to be having fun.

[11:34] He seems to be going for the level that the movie is asking for.

[11:37] Yes. You know, which I always which I always

[11:39] admire in an actor when an actor is like, what this movie needs me to do, I'm doing it.

[11:44] You know, yeah, we see him. He's in a plane with his wife, Marie, and teen daughter,

[11:50] Libby. Did I get that right or is it reversed? It does.

[11:53] No, you're correct. You're correct. Okay.

[11:55] Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter. Meanwhile, his son and his and the son's

[12:00] girlfriend are arriving by boat to this private island.

[12:04] And are we supposed to pick up that the girlfriend is way better than the son should be?

[12:10] She's much smarter and more competent than him in every way.

[12:14] I mean, that's true. It's true.

[12:16] We don't get to know the son that much other than like he see like.

[12:20] He seems like a real doof.

[12:22] We have a long time to die.

[12:24] It does. Maybe that.

[12:25] So maybe she's more into him for the fact that his genes give him greater endurance.

[12:29] Yeah. Poisoning situations.

[12:31] Yeah. But yeah, they're on the way to a

[12:36] isolated private island owned by a rich person. Always a good choice to do that.

[12:41] Like, no, nothing's going to happen. You're not going to be hunted for sports or name

[12:47] 35 bad things that could possibly happen on a voyage to a rich person's private island.

[12:52] Oh, boy, you might have to wear a vest with a chain attached to it.

[12:55] The chain is attached to a thing in the basement,

[12:57] and you're not allowed to go into the room of the person you're supposed to be.

[13:00] Yeah, it's normal stuff.

[13:02] There's like, yeah, there's that.

[13:04] There's a dangerous game situation. There might be a blink twice situation.

[13:08] Some sort of you might be happening.

[13:10] You might be going to a sex trafficking pyramid.

[13:12] There's all never go to a private island that are the best case scenario.

[13:16] You're on a private island and you stumble upon Richard Branson using his outdoor toilet.

[13:21] That's the best case scenario on a rich person's private island.

[13:25] You know, there's all sorts of family friction.

[13:27] Of course, it's a rich family. They hate all hate each other.

[13:31] Who's the dad, though? Who's the who's the patriarch?

[13:33] Who's the daddy? The daddy is Don Voight.

[13:37] He's in a. Yes, you seem like you have more to say.

[13:40] No, you're correct. I was just confirming that Dan is right.

[13:43] Thank you.

[13:44] Put two points up on the board for Dan.

[13:46] Identified John Voight.

[13:49] In my John Voight watching journal, I can put down a checkmark.

[13:55] He's in a wheelchair attended by his manservant, Burnham.

[14:00] And Will Sass is like, I only wish mom was here to see your house.

[14:03] And Voight says, fuck her for running out on us.

[14:06] John Voight gives also a weird performance.

[14:09] His performance is. He provides what's required.

[14:12] He's doing what's required, but he is so he is portraying.

[14:16] He's trying to be Logan Roy.

[14:18] Logan is the is the dad in Succession, right?

[14:20] He's trying to be a certain type of Logan Roy type old,

[14:22] like rich person who is who doesn't trust their children and da da da and feels betrayed.

[14:27] But but he's doing it without the without the feeling of aristocracy

[14:32] that I feel like they have on Succession.

[14:35] So he seems like a guy who like a guy who won the lottery

[14:38] and his and his family took the money.

[14:40] And he's like, she's like, yes.

[14:41] Yeah, he feels feral.

[14:43] It's something kind of weird and weird and like not like not cultured about him.

[14:47] Logan Roy has a quality that makes you want to call him, sir.

[14:51] Yes.

[14:51] John Voight, his character does not have that quality.

[14:54] Well, John, it wouldn't have surprised me if the twist was that

[14:57] they had found a homeless man, dressed him up in fancy clothes and had presented him.

[15:02] He was the dad's double that they discovered.

[15:04] And they and they are have have impersonating the dad.

[15:06] You know, Voight plays this so villainously from the start,

[15:10] from the beginning, like that.

[15:12] I'm like, OK, well, it can't be him.

[15:14] That's like the bad guy.

[15:17] And I guess it's the movie playing a double reverse blow on me being like,

[15:22] oh, you're going to you're going to think that we're trying to

[15:24] fake you out with a red herring.

[15:26] But no, he's going to be a bad guy.

[15:27] So it's like there's like you're going to assume that the bad guy can't be it.

[15:31] And one of these people who's pretending to be nice is.

[15:33] But it turns out, no, they actually are nice.

[15:35] And he is a villain.

[15:36] Yeah, there's a moment where one like I think his daughter in law is like,

[15:40] I'm going to go to the bathroom.

[15:41] And he's like, must be nice.

[15:43] And I'm like, what?

[15:46] Because he's an old man who can't pee.

[15:47] Yeah.

[15:48] But we haven't assembled the full family yet.

[15:51] Here's the way.

[15:52] Here's something I will say is realistic about this.

[15:54] When you have a when you have a grandparent slash parent who is elderly and is losing

[15:58] their mind and is being very mean to everybody, everyone has to kind of pretend that they're not

[16:03] and pretend things are normal.

[16:05] And I have been in that situation.

[16:06] So I was like, OK, that's kind of real that they wouldn't they wouldn't automatically be like,

[16:10] Dad, don't say that.

[16:11] I'm leaving right now.

[16:12] Instead, they're like, ha ha.

[16:13] Well, anyway, let's go into the house.

[16:14] He's like, well, oh, shit.

[16:16] Oh, God damn it.

[16:17] I won't get into it here.

[16:18] But later on, we learned that one of the characters

[16:21] knows some stuff that would suggest that, like, maybe they shouldn't have come to the

[16:25] yes.

[16:27] Once you learn what the other characters know, you're like, well, this is it seems like this

[16:31] should have been dealt with a long time ago.

[16:32] Yeah.

[16:33] But anyway, let's talk about another character that is coming to the island.

[16:38] Another John.

[16:39] Jonathan Rhys Meyers.

[16:41] That's right.

[16:41] Dear Pike himself from the Gorman Guest miniseries.

[16:48] OK.

[16:49] Match point like Beckham.

[16:52] And he was Dracula at one point, right?

[16:54] Dracula.

[16:55] Yes.

[16:57] Also, Paris with love.

[16:59] Viper is seeming gentleman.

[17:01] His character's name is Kyle.

[17:03] He's coming in with his fiancee, Joy via helicopter.

[17:06] Joy played by one of the Brats.

[17:09] Sporty brat.

[17:10] Yeah, he's the other son of John Voight.

[17:12] The family is here ready for some dangerous games, ready for legacy murders.

[17:19] I mean, they don't know that they're ready.

[17:21] They don't know that they're there for legacy murders.

[17:23] I'm just saying that the cast has been assembled.

[17:26] Invitation says you are invited to Grandpa's birthday party for some legacy murders.

[17:32] But they still go, OK, I guess I got to go, right?

[17:35] Yeah.

[17:36] Maybe they misspelled legacy Mardi Gras, what they meant to say.

[17:43] I thought it was funny.

[17:44] Rhys Meyers, like when he gets out of the helicopter, sort of takes a moment to explain

[17:48] all of the relationships like that have already been set up.

[17:53] Would have been more helpful to have that scene earlier.

[17:55] Yeah, yeah.

[17:57] We learned that Voight blames him for stealing the family business from him.

[18:02] And Rhys Meyers is like, I see it as saving the failing empire that you fucked up.

[18:10] You know, what does he do?

[18:11] What did they make money off?

[18:13] I don't think it.

[18:15] Yeah, I don't know.

[18:17] I said something about how he opened his first pharmacy.

[18:20] Oh, that's right.

[18:20] Yeah, they're a pharmaceutical company.

[18:22] So again, they're already evil.

[18:23] They're all evil people already.

[18:24] Yeah.

[18:25] Also, this type of movie like throws so much shit at you that I feel like my brain has

[18:31] learned to blank out the stuff that's not going to be important.

[18:34] That's fair.

[18:35] There's not going to be any clues towards the mystery that involve their family business.

[18:38] Yeah, yeah.

[18:40] That's what makes Dan so good at solving dangerous game legacy murders.

[18:44] Yeah, if you're if you're hosting a rich person, Evil Island, dangerous game legacy murder,

[18:48] do not invite Dan.

[18:49] He will solve it so fast.

[18:50] He will annihilate it.

[18:51] Yeah, it'll just be like in Glass Onion when what's his name?

[18:56] Rupert von Valentine, whatever Daniel Craig's character is called, that he just figures

[19:00] it out right away.

[19:02] I love that part.

[19:03] So the movie is downhill from the moment that he that he that he calls BS on that one.

[19:09] A little bit, but I like that one.

[19:11] I like that one.

[19:13] They snipe at each other a lot.

[19:14] There's a part where the grandson throws a fish head into a sink, giving a creepy smile.

[19:23] Like there's a cat established earlier.

[19:26] Yeah, I got to say, FYI, if anyone knows there's going to be a cat death in a movie,

[19:32] just give me a heads up before I watch it with my wife.

[19:34] Yeah.

[19:35] I mean, I didn't.

[19:36] This is a particularly gruesome one, too.

[19:38] Yeah, it fucking sucked.

[19:39] When I saw that there was a cat in the movie, I immediately stopped the movie for a moment

[19:44] to Google to find out whether the movie was going to anger me later, just so I was prepared.

[19:49] And the movie does anger me.

[19:52] But I will say I will say I don't like any time that there's a cat death in a movie.

[19:57] But this is so goofily presented.

[19:59] You don't actually.

[20:00] see was it like it all happens within the sink you just see spurts of blood going up

[20:05] like the aftermath army of darkness you know uh cgi blood um yeah the the the granton throws the

[20:14] this fish head this thing which leads to this cat death which doesn't play into anything it's

[20:20] yeah it's stupid and gross my guess is that it is supposed to be a literal red herring because

[20:24] it's a fish head that maybe you think he's a bloodthirsty monster he's lured the cat into

[20:29] the trash into the garbage disposal unit but it's just a it's and it's also they can't kill any of

[20:34] the any of the main cast characters yet it's too early and they got to give you a little shock so

[20:38] instead of a cat you know it not a fan it is no i'm not a fan of the death i am a fan of the least

[20:44] it's the least funny of the deaths in the movie probably and there are a couple there there's

[20:49] some death violence moments that are hilarious coming up yeah i i don't like that i do like

[20:55] the way uh will sasso uh like john voight comes in and he's like what happened and will sasso in

[21:01] the most blase way says cat died dad that was pretty good uh but um so later on the gather

[21:11] around the fire uh joy gives us some backstory about voight's business career that like self

[21:18] you know um empire they give him his birthday murder and i assume that is supposed to be

[21:24] the movie building suspicion in you that she is a gold digger who's there to kill people or in

[21:29] in league with him or something i don't even know this movie is so clumsily written that i'm not even

[21:34] sure what like the misdirects are supposed to be it makes no sense for the character who is new to

[21:38] the family to be like let me give you an info dump to everyone here about your dad's history it's just

[21:42] very a lot of it's a clumsy way to give out information yeah um they give him his birthday

[21:49] gift it's a wash a watch which he tosses aside immediately uh alec i mean getting an old guy's

[21:55] shit fucking sucks because old guys like they want to be the one to find the cool shit they

[22:00] don't want to watch well is that buying presents for a dad sucks buying presents for your dad

[22:05] stinks you don't know what they want if you get them the thing they want the most they tell you

[22:09] this is fine so you'll just end up buying them you know books they'll never read about history

[22:14] or something like that my issue is like you know like i you know my dad is a lovely man he's not a

[22:19] john voight but oh no i mean i love my dad my dad's great but it's just hard to buy him presents

[22:23] you know but he has been on the earth for a long time he has a lot of stuff he doesn't want more

[22:29] of it necessarily and you can only give him so many coupons for a free hug yeah yeah i mean

[22:35] basically all you can do is give if you're not giving him a grandchild you gotta give him like

[22:39] a shirt with his grandchild's face on it they do like that yeah that's true uh anyway that's all

[22:47] they're wearing their wardrobe is entirely shirts like me and flop house shirts over the years i've

[22:55] accrued so many um alec wants to leave he's like i'm outtie 5000 uh which starts everyone arguing

[23:03] with one another again but what what what's this it's another gift it's dangerous game

[23:08] from parker brothers yeah this is the most elaborately constructed board game for a murder

[23:14] i've ever seen yeah um i've seen some pretty elaborately constructed board games but for a

[23:21] murder for the purpose of a murder this is a this is a bespoke i have to assume just one copy version

[23:27] of this game but stewart i wanted to get your opinion that's like a really high up kickstarter

[23:32] reward right there stewart i was wondering your opinion as a gamer of this board game

[23:38] the game is that you just have to guess where everyone's going to dine with what weapon well

[23:42] no but also like the way the board's set up and the individual pieces and the way the puzzles

[23:46] i gotta say this the game yeah i'm sorry to jump in on two things but like there's no clear rules

[23:52] to or objective it's like you open up a box and there's a bunch of stuff in it and you gotta

[23:58] figure out what to do with that stuff and then of what and then a scary voice starts telling you to

[24:02] play the game and it's like uh are there instructions like what's going on yeah well

[24:07] dan you always complain that you hate it when somebody just uh sits there and explains all

[24:11] the rules to a game it's not that wouldn't you rather just like crack that thing open just start

[24:15] playing right well that's the thing it's not that i hate it it's that uh i can't learn that way

[24:21] like someone reading instructions to me either i need to be able to like pour over it very

[24:26] carefully or i just need to play the game myself yeah uh and so what if somebody did it with like a

[24:32] really nice sounding voice and he's your friend stewart was it like you know our our good friend

[24:39] john who does the cassettes animations and other animations for our flop tv shows like

[24:44] he's very patient about yeah yeah but john also will will teach people a game but he won't even

[24:50] have opened it or looked at the game yet and he'll be like oh let's just figure this out like

[24:55] this is insane that's just stewart's specific objection like it's not a problem that i've had

[25:00] but that's because my attitude towards games is more like sure let's play one rather than like

[25:05] i'm like part of my life yeah yeah this is how i this is how i define my personality uh anyway

[25:12] well so this this board game has a bunch of like crime scene photos in it and dossiers on the

[25:21] various uh members of the family and it has we will find later on uh play pieces little mini figs

[25:27] that are yeah related to the family members in some way or another i would say i would rank the

[25:33] components pretty high it's pretty high quality you get a lot of it's not i mean the fact that

[25:38] there's an entire murder journal with annotations right there in the game like yeah i mean it looks

[25:43] nice like i feel like it's it's not gonna hold up to multiple plays that's a downside

[25:48] yes sure well i don't think it's intended to really afterwards it's the problem that's uh

[25:54] it's a great game but you only play it once yeah like the daffy duck swallowing explosives

[25:59] in a vaudeville edition game yeah um well anyway uh void is too tired for some murder

[26:04] shenanigans that night uh joy manages to convince alex it's very funny as we learn later he set up

[26:11] this whole thing it's very funny for him to introduce and then be like well i'm tired

[26:14] goodbye like maybe i'm gonna go through with the murders you're setting up well he also is

[26:20] the one that like uh archie's knocking shit off the shelf um the uh the game shows up and

[26:27] everyone's like that's weird i don't want to play this weird game and he's the one guy who's like

[26:31] oh a game that sounds like a hoot let's play and then and then like an hour and then like

[26:36] 10 minutes later he's like i'm too tired let's play tomorrow morning yeah um anyway alec wanted

[26:43] to leave joy convinces him to stay uh unconvincingly i don't know you know why and alec

[26:50] is kyle right alec what alec is kyle no but that's the name of the character no no so alec

[26:57] is will sasso's character oh sorry and kyle is jonathan kyle is the one who's committed to space

[27:02] sorry alec and kyle i mean you should just refer to them by their actors names dan yeah i know i

[27:07] don't think we need to say character orthodox on this one okay uh i'm just gonna be saying john

[27:12] void i'm not gonna be saying ellison betts at any no i know i mean definitely void and sasso

[27:17] are in here i just felt like a certain point okay i know and you're worried that if you keep saying

[27:21] jonathan reese myers you're gonna say jonathan reese davies yes that's like and that will confuse

[27:26] if i say that three times he'll appear and and why wouldn't you want that i don't understand

[27:32] yeah that's true he'll save me from eating some bad dates so that'll be good but um

[27:36] the anyway and he's what if he was playing that part and we could just see him and john

[27:40] shouting at each other as loudly as possible oh that would be so much better so much better

[27:47] yeah um anyway i don't know there's some like stuff that is like red herrings there's one

[27:53] point where will sasso walks in on his wife in the bath and she's like doing something on her

[27:58] cell phone and like acts really like suspicious about it that's nothing uh except he i feel like

[28:04] he is very charming in this in this moment he comes in and he's like being kind of flirty with

[28:08] her and she's like you're drunk and he's like you're drunk and she's if there's it felt like

[28:12] the one moment of genuine people being people with each other in the entire movie yeah i mean

[28:18] like there's another kind of red herring thing where the uh grandson's girlfriend tara jokes

[28:23] that she's gonna kill them all you know saying it's all watch out for the quiet ones uh spoiler

[28:28] alert she's not gonna kill anybody she's not the opposite she's going to help people yeah uh well

[28:34] anyway she's also she's she's a veterinarian which means she has a very ironic death later

[28:40] on spoiler alert oh yeah that that's uh that was a rough scene that was a rough moment i did not

[28:47] like it anyway i thought it was hilarious um okay we'll talk about later like it's so silly

[28:56] it's it's silly over the top but there's also like there's there's some there's some

[29:00] under i felt like there's some um maybe problematic aspects to the oh yeah you're

[29:05] right yeah that's that's correct um but also this movie is like so goofball but it's also so

[29:12] mean that i had a hard time enjoying yes some of the goofy feels a little bit like

[29:17] um a murder movie made by a little kid who is trying their hardest to be like

[29:21] extreme and rough but it's also pretty silly and the clash of those tones is very is unpleasant

[29:27] you know um anyway so back to the back to what goes on in this film which is that everyone is

[29:33] asleep an alarm goes off red lights uh hurricane shutters come down over the windows a gate comes

[29:39] down to the front door oh is this is this abigail yeah i saw voice uh i'm gonna i'm just gonna call

[29:47] this voice uh schmick schmaw it says okay the game has started everyone needs to go to the great room

[29:54] and here's the funniest thing about this song was that i feel like jigsaw

[30:00] traps you in a game and you have no choice but to play it.

[30:02] This voice spends so much of the movie being like,

[30:05] so why don't you start playing the game now?

[30:07] You're not playing the game.

[30:08] You're not playing the game.

[30:09] It becomes so petulant and powerless,

[30:11] and it's killing them,

[30:12] and it still feels like it is totally

[30:14] not in power in the situation.

[30:16] There's the game.

[30:17] I'd really suggest that you play it.

[30:18] No, you're not abiding by the rules.

[30:21] I kind of put together a whole game for you here.

[30:23] It's hurting my feelings

[30:24] that you're showing so little interest.

[30:25] I had to corral uninterested game players before.

[30:28] I have sympathy for this voice.

[30:31] Like, oh, would you rather die than play the game?

[30:34] Oh, I guess you will.

[30:36] There's so much cool stuff I set up

[30:38] that you're never gonna see.

[30:39] Don't do it that way.

[30:41] You're doing it wrong.

[30:42] You know what?

[30:43] Why don't I leave wherever I am talking to you

[30:45] and just show you how to play the game?

[30:48] Be helpful.

[30:48] Should I start playing?

[30:49] Would that get things moving?

[30:51] Oh, you don't think the game's cool?

[30:52] Well, check out Board Game Geek.

[30:54] It has a really high rating.

[30:56] Some people like their games to be complicated.

[30:59] I guess you just wanna play Sorry or something.

[31:02] Burnham, the manservant, is missing.

[31:05] You know, again, I thought like,

[31:06] oh, this is gonna be a red herring.

[31:08] No, it's just a herring.

[31:09] He's involved.

[31:10] He's involved, and you have to assume

[31:12] he's the one who's being the voice this whole time.

[31:14] Yeah.

[31:16] So, you know, there's a-

[31:17] Is bad enough I have to clean up after your dad

[31:19] and now you're not even playing my game?

[31:22] There's a Ransom-style note saying,

[31:24] wake up and play me on the dangerous game.

[31:26] But-

[31:29] And-

[31:30] You realize the trouble I went to

[31:31] having to cut out the magazine letters

[31:33] to make that note for the game?

[31:34] The least you could do is try,

[31:36] pretend that you're interested in playing my game.

[31:38] You guys aren't even trying to have fun.

[31:41] Sasso tries to shut down-

[31:42] Oh, excuse me for trying to liven up this family gathering.

[31:47] Let's lose our bad emotions and a little bit of gameplay.

[31:51] Maybe it'll bring us closer together, but I guess not.

[31:55] Yeah.

[31:57] Sasso does the-

[31:58] I'm going to be in my room.

[31:58] If anyone's looking for me,

[31:59] I'm just going to take the bottle of wine to my room.

[32:02] The first obvious thing,

[32:03] and tries to shut down the smart house,

[32:06] but the voice electrifies a plate under his feet,

[32:08] which shoots him back across the street-

[32:10] Oh, boy.

[32:11] Into a glass table.

[32:12] So the explosion is very funny.

[32:14] Yeah.

[32:15] It looks very fake.

[32:16] It is very funny.

[32:17] And the noise he makes when he's exploded is very funny.

[32:19] Yeah.

[32:20] Oh, two thumbs up.

[32:21] It was, at this point, when I saw that happen,

[32:23] I was like,

[32:24] is Wile E. Coyote the voice

[32:25] that's forcing him to play this game?

[32:26] It is very funny.

[32:28] Yeah.

[32:29] His leg's fucked up real bad.

[32:30] They have to tourniquet him

[32:31] and cauterize the wound with an iron.

[32:35] Yeah.

[32:35] When he's lying there

[32:36] and they're trying to figure out how to save his life,

[32:39] I guess, his wife is like,

[32:43] yeah, do it.

[32:43] He can't die.

[32:45] And I'm like,

[32:46] that is a really kind of blasé response

[32:48] to your husband's foot getting basically blown off.

[32:51] Yeah.

[32:52] He's inside a house.

[32:53] It's not like, I don't know.

[32:55] He's not on a minefield.

[32:57] It's not a place you would expect it to happen.

[32:59] You'd think it'd be a little bit more shock from her.

[33:00] Yeah.

[33:01] Unless she's the killer, which she's not.

[33:03] I guess you're right.

[33:04] Kyle immediately is like-

[33:06] Do you always have to cauterize the wound?

[33:09] Why are you asking me?

[33:11] Because Stuart,

[33:12] you took a battlefield medicine, right?

[33:13] Yeah, that's true.

[33:14] Yeah.

[33:15] Yeah, I mean, usually,

[33:16] I mean, I learned it all from Rambo.

[33:18] So yeah, you gotta stuff the wound with...

[33:20] I mean, I don't think you have to.

[33:23] It's probably better.

[33:25] Well, in the case that you don't have

[33:27] proper cleaning supplies and proper surgery supplies,

[33:30] then yeah.

[33:31] But it turns out they had all the proper supplies

[33:33] just downstairs.

[33:34] Yeah, that's true.

[33:36] Because it seems like in that situation,

[33:37] and they were doing this, I guess,

[33:38] the most important thing is to stop the bleeding.

[33:40] Yeah.

[33:41] They almost immediately-

[33:41] I think that's kind of the idea.

[33:42] Yeah, they hold a metal,

[33:44] hot metal to his foot and he screams a lot.

[33:48] Jonathan Reese Meyers, of course,

[33:49] immediately is like,

[33:50] dad, this is you.

[33:52] And he's like, no, it's not me.

[33:56] But he runs off, tries to, with the grandson.

[33:59] They're looking for Burnham.

[34:01] Meanwhile, everyone looks at the game.

[34:03] Like I said, it has all this very stuff,

[34:05] but mostly it has a bunch of ciphers

[34:08] that they have to figure out.

[34:10] Lewis ciphers?

[34:11] Mm-hmm.

[34:12] Oh, shit.

[34:14] They're letters from a soldier to his dad

[34:16] describing people he killed

[34:18] and information about nine women

[34:20] who died between 1971 and 2015.

[34:24] And they figure out the cipher

[34:25] with some nonsense related to the names of the victims.

[34:29] Meanwhile, grandson gets caught

[34:32] in the video installation art piece.

[34:35] Uh-huh, about the murder castle.

[34:37] And Reese Meyers finds some blueprints to the house

[34:42] that show that it's full of secret passages

[34:44] and immediately gets punched by the manservant

[34:47] who runs off into the depths of the mansion.

[34:53] And the first cipher that they decode

[34:55] back in the dangerous game gaming room

[34:58] is I was born with the devil in me,

[35:00] which Will Sasso identifies immediately

[35:04] as being from H.H. Holmes, the serial killer,

[35:07] murder castle in Chicago, Devil in the White City,

[35:10] all that stuff.

[35:10] For anyone who hasn't read Devil in the White City,

[35:13] it is about the twin events of the Columbian Exposition,

[35:16] this huge fair that was in Chicago.

[35:19] It was called the White City,

[35:20] where Chicago was kind of showing off,

[35:23] you know, it was kind of a World's Fair type expo.

[35:25] And at basically the same time,

[35:27] this guy had turned his house into a murder dungeon

[35:30] where he could trap and kill people.

[35:31] And no one knows exactly how many people he killed,

[35:33] somewhere between 20 and a billion,

[35:35] depending on who you talk to, you know?

[35:37] Yeah.

[35:38] There are certain people who really enjoy inflating

[35:40] the numbers of how many people.

[35:41] I'm sure there's like plenty of true crime podcasts

[35:44] who have some grisly episodes.

[35:47] Yes, exactly.

[35:48] I mean, Devil in the White City is a really good book.

[35:49] It's a great book.

[35:50] It's great.

[35:51] It's an interesting read.

[35:52] The Columbian Exposition.

[35:53] The fact that like they make the stuff

[35:55] about the Columbian Exposition is more exciting

[35:57] than the murdering.

[35:58] I mean, it is objectively.

[35:59] I mean, maybe not objectively.

[36:00] To me, that stuff is much more interesting

[36:01] than the serial killer stuff.

[36:02] It feels like the serial killer stuff is to lure in

[36:06] the people who are not as interested

[36:07] in massive public expositions of arts and sciences as I am.

[36:12] And then you get in there and you're like,

[36:13] that's how they made a Ferris wheel?

[36:16] Why don't we have these things anymore?

[36:18] I want a World's Fair style exposition.

[36:21] This would be great.

[36:22] But you have to assume that Will Sussman's character

[36:25] just read the book recently

[36:26] because that he recognized the quote.

[36:28] I assumed he's a middle-aged dad.

[36:31] So he's like, he really loves historical series.

[36:34] Every time.

[36:35] I mean, Eric Larson did have a new book released recently.

[36:37] So maybe he rereads them all

[36:38] in anticipation of the next one, MCU style.

[36:41] Anyway, they all hear the grandson pounding on the room

[36:44] where he's trapped.

[36:47] He suddenly notices the corpse in the room with him,

[36:49] which apparently he didn't see before.

[36:51] Classic Saw movie.

[36:53] It's Aunt Virginia, the sister, the absent sister.

[36:59] And Cam starts getting gassed.

[37:02] This is very funny.

[37:03] Poison gas.

[37:03] Not like he's having a great time.

[37:05] Yeah.

[37:05] Yeah, he's having a gas.

[37:07] Jumping Jack Flash.

[37:10] It is a gas, gas, gas.

[37:11] Yeah.

[37:13] Oh no, that's a different song.

[37:13] Rhys Meyers comes.

[37:14] No, that's it.

[37:15] Jumping Jack Flash, it's a gas, gas, gas.

[37:17] Oh, that's right.

[37:17] Rhys Meyers comes in to accuse John Boyd again.

[37:21] And this is very funny to me.

[37:22] He pushes some button on his wheelchair

[37:24] that makes him sort of stand up.

[37:27] And then he tries to threaten Rhys Meyers

[37:29] with an electrified wire.

[37:30] He just pulls through his own chair,

[37:32] but only succeeds in nearly electrocuting himself.

[37:36] It is a wild scene.

[37:37] It's cool.

[37:38] It's very cool.

[37:39] There are two scenes, the exploding foot and this one,

[37:43] where this movie, I'll spoil it for my final judges

[37:45] a little bit.

[37:46] A lot of this movie I found kind of,

[37:47] it's like humdrum for the most part.

[37:49] But then a scene like this would happen,

[37:51] I'd be like, movie, why are you hiding this from me?

[37:53] Just why aren't you doing more of this stuff?

[37:55] Because this is bonkers.

[37:57] I feel like basically every death scene

[37:59] in this movie is really funny.

[38:01] For the most part.

[38:02] They're amateurishly put together.

[38:04] They're funny in that they're over the top.

[38:06] I find them too sadistic to.

[38:09] Oh, okay.

[38:10] Yeah, yeah.

[38:11] I think they're funny to me

[38:12] in the way that they are produced

[38:14] rather than in the concepts, yeah.

[38:17] Yeah, I'm like, I'm not like, oh, this is hilarious,

[38:19] but like.

[38:20] No, no, I'm not accusing you of being a sociopath.

[38:23] At least not on air.

[38:26] Dan, we'll talk about it in our private group chat.

[38:28] That's just the two of us.

[38:29] No.

[38:30] Yeah, no, it's just my personal reaction.

[38:33] They try and break in, but too late.

[38:37] Cam, the grandson, is all gooey and covered in pus.

[38:43] They get a little bit of mourning.

[38:44] It happens to all of us, guys.

[38:45] Shmig Smaw says, get back to the game.

[38:48] There's a line where like.

[38:49] Have you guys forgotten about the game?

[38:51] I know it's pretty wild that your dad slash grandpa

[38:54] just electrocuted himself, but like the game,

[38:56] can we get back to it?

[38:58] There's a line where the daughter says,

[39:00] he's not who you think he is about the John Voight.

[39:02] And Reese Meyers says,

[39:04] maybe none of us are who we think we are.

[39:08] I'm like, what?

[39:09] What a thing that only a character in a movie

[39:11] would ever say.

[39:14] Although, actually, I guess what he is,

[39:16] although he is hinting at the thing he knows

[39:18] that I guess the other ones don't know.

[39:20] The thing that he should tell them,

[39:22] but he's not telling them for some reason.

[39:24] Yeah, we'll get to it,

[39:25] and we'll all be angry about it eventually.

[39:28] Everyone's playing by X-Men villain rules,

[39:30] where it's a lot of like,

[39:30] I know more about you than you know yourself.

[39:33] Okay, well, tell me then, Mr. Sinister.

[39:35] I don't know what power it gives you

[39:36] to know this stuff and not tell me.

[39:38] I don't understand.

[39:38] Yeah, are you just so bored of like,

[39:40] hiding in a fucking basement somewhere,

[39:42] you just wanna tell somebody what's happening?

[39:44] Yeah.

[39:45] So, Reese Meyers and the wife go off

[39:50] to break into a secret passage,

[39:53] and a trap door opens beneath him,

[39:56] and she's briefly held at gunpoint by the manservant.

[40:00] And downstairs, where Jonathan Rhys-Meyers has been dumped.

[40:04] There's a great moment when Burnham pushes Jonathan Rhys-Meyers down the trap door,

[40:10] that it cuts to a shot of him falling with a green screen backdrop behind him.

[40:15] I think that was great.

[40:18] Downstairs in this murder basement, it turns out Joy never actually left the island,

[40:24] as he had thought.

[40:26] She is on an operating table, being punished for trying to leave the game.

[40:31] There's an incision in her chest that has been sewed up.

[40:34] And she was trying to leave before the game started, right?

[40:37] Yeah, yeah.

[40:37] So it's not even, I feel like it's unfair to be like, you tried to get out of the game.

[40:41] And she's like, what game?

[40:42] I had to get somewhere.

[40:43] I just came to meet people.

[40:45] Yeah, good point.

[40:46] I'm sure that, yeah, the murderous killer, we should send that to him as a goof that he made.

[40:52] Yeah, yeah, put it in the goof section, in the murderous LinkedIn profile, I guess.

[40:56] The LinkedIn profiles have goofs.

[40:59] It's like someone's employment history, but you can add one time this person farted in a meeting.

[41:04] Yeah, so we all called him Toots behind his back.

[41:12] And that's how Toots and the Maytals got their name, yeah.

[41:14] Yeah, that's right.

[41:16] This is LinkedIn history for being in a reggae band.

[41:22] Anyway, she's downstairs, like I said, on this gurney, and he is warned that there's

[41:28] an industrial oven in the room that's going to cook him alive in three minutes.

[41:32] Although it also reaches temperatures that would have killed him.

[41:37] And he's alive for a while, but never mind.

[41:40] Upstairs, the other people find a window down into the basement so they can see into the oven.

[41:45] And the clue that is given to get out of there is,

[41:51] search deep in your heart to find a way out.

[41:54] So, uh-oh, whatever he needs is in Joy's chest.

[42:00] Which has been gruesomely cut open and sewed back together again.

[42:04] Kind of Frankenstein's monster style.

[42:06] Yeah, Saw style.

[42:10] Saw style is when there's French fries and Russian dressing on the dog, right?

[42:15] Yeah.

[42:16] And he's all like, initially, like, you think that these people are, you know,

[42:20] vipers who hate each other.

[42:21] But he, like, respires is like, no, I can't do this.

[42:24] I love you.

[42:24] I can't do this.

[42:25] I, you know, and she's like, you gotta do it.

[42:27] You gotta get out.

[42:29] So he starts pulling all her guts out.

[42:31] Yeah, this is very upsetting.

[42:33] This is very gruesome and upsetting.

[42:35] I don't like it.

[42:35] Yeah.

[42:36] Like the, what he thinks is going to be a key is not like just lying on top after he

[42:41] peels the skin back.

[42:42] It is beneath.

[42:43] So he has to pull everything out.

[42:45] And then, like, afterwards, she, like, sits up briefly to give us a little scare.

[42:50] Man.

[42:50] Yeah.

[42:51] I love this kind of crap.

[42:52] But in this, I mean, he is essentially being forced to murder her.

[42:56] Like, she's been mutilated and now he has to kill her to get out.

[43:01] Yeah, exactly.

[43:01] It's similar to, yeah, it's the Saw thing where it's like, oh, I didn't kill anyone.

[43:06] You killed him.

[43:07] You did it.

[43:07] Yeah, but I wasn't going to do it unless you put me in the situation, asshole.

[43:10] Like, come on, that doesn't seem fair.

[43:12] You say you are.

[43:13] You're hitting yourself.

[43:14] You're hit.

[43:15] You're taking my arm and using it to hit me with my own hand.

[43:18] Jigsaw.

[43:18] Come on.

[43:19] Anyway, you're saying you say you love this kind of stuff.

[43:21] And the thing is, like, in a different type of movie, I might enjoy it.

[43:28] Like a porno.

[43:29] Dan, that's even worse.

[43:30] Yeah, that's wild.

[43:32] Why would you say that, Dan?

[43:34] A Stuart Gordon tone.

[43:36] I'm talking like reanimated Stuart Gordon, not like Castle Freak Stuart Gordon.

[43:40] If there's sort of a lethal grossness to it.

[43:45] But this seems to be.

[43:47] If Bruce Campbell was doing this in an Evil Dead movie, you'd be like, oh, boy.

[43:52] You know, but in the.

[43:53] Yeah, but this is pushing the sadism of it.

[43:56] My pushback here is when I say that I love it, it's that when we watch a bad movie, we

[44:02] here at the Flophouse, we often try to find things about it that give us joy.

[44:06] Yes, and I mean, this is giving us the character joy.

[44:10] Yes, exactly.

[44:10] I was waiting for somebody to pick up on that.

[44:14] And so with this, it's like, yeah, I mean, there's not much else here.

[44:18] At least it has like over the top wild amounts of like gore and brutal crap that is done

[44:25] sloppily and amateurishly.

[44:28] And so at least I find some joy in that.

[44:31] Like, it's it's so silly.

[44:33] I get what you're saying.

[44:34] I'm not trying to indict you by saying how I feel about it.

[44:37] I am just saying, like, the conditions under which I would enjoy this more.

[44:42] No, and I think I'm also trying to clarify for the listeners who were like,

[44:45] should I watch Dangerous Game of Legacy Murders?

[44:48] Is this for me?

[44:50] I think I'm in the middle where I think I would have been able to enjoy the scene on

[44:53] that level, Stuart, if it didn't go on for as long as it does.

[44:56] Like, he's pulling our guts out for a while.

[44:57] Blistering and whatnot.

[44:59] Yeah, yeah.

[44:59] It's a little too it's just a little too gruesome for me.

[45:02] But if it was the if it was if the if the person was or if this is an Evil Dead Army

[45:07] of Darkness type movie, the person's already dead and Bruce Campbell has to keep digging

[45:10] through their guts and going, oh, God, oh, oh, I would really enjoy this.

[45:15] Yeah, I do like when he like multiple times.

[45:18] So he pulls out like a dog whistle.

[45:21] Yeah.

[45:21] And multiple times characters have to, like, grab it.

[45:24] And every time I'm like, just rinse it off.

[45:27] Yeah, it must be so gross.

[45:28] Yeah, he he gets a dog whistle out of her.

[45:31] Not a key.

[45:32] So he's still trapped and he's burning up.

[45:35] And at least the silver lining is the brothers finally reconcile.

[45:41] And we see a flashback where Rhys Meyers is hitting Jon Voight with a baseball bat.

[45:46] Presumably what put him in the wheelchair.

[45:49] And there's the implication this is to protect Will Sasso in some way that perhaps we will

[45:54] Rhys Meyers should have talked about.

[45:56] It's they have a weird family just beat on the Brett, you know.

[45:59] Will Sasso is the younger Will Sasso supposed to be the younger brother, right?

[46:05] I think so.

[46:06] It's I think he's supposed to be the younger brother.

[46:07] But it's like the the that what we're led to believe is that Jon Voight was always just

[46:13] closer with Will Sasso and he would take Will Sasso to go do activities that Jonathan Rhys

[46:18] Meyers was not invited to come with.

[46:20] And it there we learn that there's a sinister side to this.

[46:24] But until basically this moment, there's part of it's like seems like kind of a slender

[46:28] read for this movie to be resting this this bad relationship between the two brothers

[46:32] that Jon Voight used to just take Will Sasso to go like fishing and stuff like that and

[46:36] wouldn't take Jonathan Rhys Meyers.

[46:37] But you know what?

[46:37] All families are different.

[46:38] When you're a kid, that stuff hits hard.

[46:40] So then you learn the truth soon enough, which is so they decipher a clue that relates like

[46:45] a John Irving novel or something.

[46:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[46:48] They decipher a clue that relates to walk a mile in your moccasins.

[46:52] They take that to mean the distance of a mile expressed in Roman numerals, which allows

[46:58] them to turn some wheels on the thing to reveal misinterpreting the meaning of that

[47:02] phrase, like why people would actually say it.

[47:04] But yeah, yeah, it reveals the confession of H.H.

[47:08] Holmes, the book with notes in the margin from Jon Voight detailing all of the murders

[47:15] he did.

[47:16] And so here's where the movie takes a wild historical turn, because up until this point,

[47:23] I'm like, oh, you know, the H.H.

[47:24] Holmes stuff is essentially window dressing.

[47:27] You know, it's like, oh, we're evoking this, but no.

[47:30] And it's very literal, Daniel.

[47:32] Yeah, you can correct me if I get any of this wrong, because it comes in like sort of this

[47:36] info dump thing.

[47:37] But it turns out H.H.

[47:39] Holmes was actually Voight's grandfather and William H.H.

[47:43] Holmes' child murdered Voight's mother.

[47:48] And then Voight also himself killed Sasso's mom.

[47:52] That was one of the women he killed.

[47:55] Yes.

[47:56] And the thing that Voight and Sasso would do is like Voight would take him out as a

[48:02] small child on his murder sprees.

[48:04] And like Will Sasso, child form, would be sleeping in the car as he was killing these.

[48:10] As Jon Voight was murdering women.

[48:11] And so he was taking out his son as cover for why he would be out of the house murdering

[48:16] women.

[48:16] And he's like, how can you suspect a man who's out with his son?

[48:20] And one part of it is like.

[48:21] Yeah, it's not like they've seen Dexter before.

[48:24] And one part of it is like, well, I don't know why he wouldn't take why once.

[48:27] Why can't just alternate sons if that's the issue?

[48:29] Unless Will Sasso was just a dumber, sleepier kid.

[48:32] So it was easier to get away with the murders.

[48:34] But also the idea that like if a police officer came upon him murdering a woman at night,

[48:39] he would be like, oh, no, I'm just out with my son.

[48:40] He's in the car sleeping.

[48:42] Everything's fine.

[48:43] Your story checks out there.

[48:44] Oh, yes.

[48:46] It's so fine to see a father and a son enjoying fine time together.

[48:50] I wish my own papa had been so sociable and loving.

[48:54] Have a good night to you, Tata.

[48:55] Have a good night to you, too, ma'am.

[48:57] I hope you feel better.

[48:58] I hope you.

[48:59] Oh, you're just kipping back, taking a nap in the road.

[49:02] That's OK.

[49:03] You know, we don't always make our way to the nice, nice, warm bed.

[49:08] Now, if I would.

[49:08] Now, if I was.

[49:09] Would I just leave my son in the car while I murdered a woman outside?

[49:13] You might, rabbit.

[49:15] You might.

[49:16] Yeah, that's they just had keystone cops back then.

[49:18] It was the problem.

[49:20] Yeah, they lived in Max, Max, and it's Albania.

[49:23] Yeah.

[49:24] But anyway, well, Sasso is just is obviously disgusted by this revelation.

[49:28] And he hangs John Voight with a sheet.

[49:31] This is guys.

[49:33] I know you guys keep pushing back, but I found this to be objectively hilarious.

[49:37] This is fashion to news.

[49:39] While everybody is kind of standing around horrified.

[49:41] And then he like drags him across the room and then up the stairs and then over to the

[49:46] balcony has also been blasted apart earlier.

[49:48] Yeah, it is very funny that no one tries to stop him at any point in this long process.

[49:54] Yeah, but this is a this is a wild reveal that John Voight is not just like inspired.

[50:00] by H.H. Holmes, but is the illegitimate grandson of H.H. Holmes and that there is a satanic

[50:06] bloodline that he's the latest murderer in.

[50:11] The kid says grandpa was a third generation murderer.

[50:14] Yes, the film seems to posit that serial killism is a genetic disorder that gets passed down.

[50:21] Here's what really gets to me.

[50:22] He's a self-made man when it comes to money, but he's a total nepo-murder baby.

[50:26] Look, he's like, oh, how did he know how to be a murderer?

[50:29] How is he so good at it?

[50:30] You know what?

[50:31] He had a leg up.

[50:32] He had a leg up in his family.

[50:33] And you look at all these murderers, they're all the children and grandchildren of murderers.

[50:37] It's unfair.

[50:38] Yeah.

[50:39] Yeah.

[50:40] No, you're right.

[50:41] Yeah.

[50:42] So he hangs Voight.

[50:43] But the schmig schmall voice is like, that's just what he wanted for you to carry on his

[50:45] murder like a serial killer.

[50:47] Just like him.

[50:48] Yeah.

[50:49] I'm like, I don't think it's the same thing.

[50:51] Murder voice.

[50:52] But look, I'm grasping at straws.

[50:54] Nobody's really playing the game the way I intended them to.

[50:57] Yeah.

[50:58] There's a lot of stuff going on and everyone's like, we're not going to be H.H. Holmes' grandson's

[51:01] posthumous murder victims.

[51:03] So Tara sifts through the ashes and she gets a dog whistle so they can escape the house

[51:08] without being eaten by dogs.

[51:10] How does that work out?

[51:12] They're guard dogs.

[51:13] And earlier on, we saw that they can only be stopped by the dog whistle.

[51:16] Yeah.

[51:17] Yeah.

[51:18] They're very cute.

[51:19] Burnham shoots at them as they're escaping with a rifle and he hits Will Sasso.

[51:25] Yeah, it seems like he's doing it to kind of corral them toward more game.

[51:30] But I feel like he must feel like it's a failure on his part that he's having to resort to

[51:35] using a sniper rifle as opposed to something a little bit wittier, you know?

[51:39] Yeah.

[51:40] They all escape to a treehouse shed in the woods.

[51:44] Tara runs to the water where she finds a rowboat and she's shot in the leg.

[51:48] A rowboat?

[51:49] A rowboat, sorry.

[51:50] No.

[51:51] Because that would be a wild twist if she found a robot and it was like, I'm from the future.

[51:55] I can help you.

[51:56] But only if you follow my instructions exactly.

[51:58] It's like, I'm so sick of this crap.

[52:01] The first thing you have to do is murder the rest of your family.

[52:04] Wait a minute.

[52:05] Yes, that's right.

[52:06] I'm a robot invented by the great, great, great, great grandson of H.H. Holmes.

[52:12] She shot in the leg on the way back, sorry, and hides in a well from the dogs.

[52:18] Big mistake.

[52:19] Because Marie conveniently can't find the dog whistle and the dogs follow her into the

[52:26] well and we hear the noises of dogs bleeding and tearing apart.

[52:31] Okay.

[52:32] So this is, you know, this is horrible.

[52:34] The image of a woman of color being chased by dogs, terrible.

[52:37] However.

[52:38] It's a bad historical parallel to be drawing to what is supposed to be a, what's supposed

[52:42] to be ostensibly dumb fun.

[52:45] This movie.

[52:46] Yeah.

[52:47] But when she's hanging from the inside of the well and the dogs are supposed to be like

[52:51] eating her fingers so that she falls.

[52:53] It very clearly is them licking her fingers.

[52:56] Yeah.

[52:57] Yeah.

[52:58] It's vicious.

[52:59] Dogs are clearly like, oh, let me look up those fingers.

[53:01] Yeah, it is.

[53:02] It is.

[53:03] You put on there.

[53:04] It is silly in that way.

[53:06] Yeah.

[53:07] Uh, and here comes the big twist.

[53:08] Unless they're licking the fingers that they'll be slipperier.

[53:11] So she'll fall.

[53:12] But you're right.

[53:13] Yeah.

[53:14] And it is something you see.

[53:15] You think this is cute, but it's evil.

[53:17] It is something that you see in bad movies with, with dogs often is that when they're

[53:20] supposed to be attacking someone, they're clearly showing them affection.

[53:23] Yeah.

[53:24] Yeah.

[53:25] Uh, guys, we're at the twist and that is that the daughter had the whistle the whole time.

[53:31] She's the one who inherited the murder gene and she double stabs Will Sasso in the head

[53:36] with two knives in each one of his eyeballs.

[53:39] This is it.

[53:40] Yes.

[53:41] This is incredible.

[53:42] First of all.

[53:43] And also I think I don't think there's anything in the H.H.

[53:44] Holmes stories that involves cannibalism.

[53:47] I could be wrong about that.

[53:48] This is her new twist.

[53:49] She's putting on this.

[53:50] So when the twist is revealed, Will Sasso who's sitting down, it just goes, what?

[53:55] Then she double stabs him and the face he is making is so funny.

[53:59] Yeah.

[54:00] It's so great.

[54:02] Uh, Stuart, you say that, but if someday when your daughter sitting behind you admits that

[54:07] she's a murderer and then double stabs you, I bet you'll have a silly look on your face

[54:10] too.

[54:11] Yeah.

[54:12] Oh man.

[54:13] The silliest.

[54:15] I'm like, Oh, nobody filmed this.

[54:16] This is embarrassing.

[54:17] Your last words are, I hope nobody got that on tape.

[54:22] Yeah.

[54:23] Uh, anyway, so she monologues about how, uh, evil Jon Voight was upset that, um, that

[54:31] right.

[54:32] Reese Meyers didn't have the darkness in him, that he just broke his back and took over

[54:36] the company when he found out.

[54:38] And this is the point where I'm like, yeah, call me crazy, but you know, if you know what

[54:45] Reese Meyers knows, maybe don't come to any further birthdays of your father.

[54:52] It does raise the question at the least at the most, tell the cops, uh, definitely once

[54:58] murders start happening, tell your family what's going on.

[55:02] Yeah.

[55:03] It raises the question of why he, I mean, I could see that maybe he hid this information

[55:07] because he didn't want the family to live with the horror and the shame of knowing what

[55:11] had happened, especially his brother, but potential financial ruin.

[55:15] Yes.

[55:16] Certainly once the murder game begins, why are you hiding it?

[55:19] You know, why aren't you, why aren't you sharing this necessary data?

[55:21] Yeah.

[55:22] Yeah.

[55:23] But anyway, the point of the monologue is of course, now she's the true legacy.

[55:27] She's the legacy murderer, uh, doing the legacy murders, uh, and she shoots her mom and a

[55:35] cheery song about it being a perfect day plays, uh, Burnham picks her up in a limo.

[55:41] Congrats for unwinning.

[55:42] And she makes a point of saying uncle Burnham.

[55:45] And I'm like, wait a minute.

[55:46] Does that mean Burnham is like, is that just like a playful nickname or is he intended

[55:51] to be the son of his first wife?

[55:54] Yes.

[55:55] I thought that they were getting across that he is, he is an unacknowledged son that maybe

[55:59] the others don't know that.

[56:01] In which case, isn't he basically carrying on the legacy because he, he does some murdering,

[56:05] right?

[56:06] Yeah.

[56:07] He does say like, maybe next time he'll be, uh, whatever, like maybe next to legacy murders

[56:12] and then we get a, like a little shot of him putting away the game pieces, taking care

[56:17] of them.

[56:18] Yeah.

[56:19] I don't know why you're resting the summary from me right at the end here.

[56:23] I'll give it back.

[56:24] Here you go, Dan.

[56:25] So she drives off, music goes gloomy, and then we get a montage of each of the corpses

[56:31] in turn lying around as the pieces are put away, including a noose for John Boyd.

[56:38] He was actually the noose, not the gas mask, I guess as was earlier, they had originally

[56:43] assigned pieces to everyone based on what they thought their personalities were, but

[56:47] it actually coincided with how they were going to get murdered.

[56:51] Yeah.

[56:52] Just wild.

[56:53] Yeah.

[56:54] Intricate plan.

[56:55] I, when that montage was happening, I was so mad that the movie was not over.

[57:00] I was like, yeah, I got it.

[57:01] Like just be done.

[57:03] I was like, I finished washing dishes five minutes ago.

[57:06] I mean, that's part of it.

[57:07] I mean, there was this, I'm like, can I, I have five minutes left of washing dishes.

[57:11] Can I just watch a couple minutes of the young ones instead of this?

[57:13] You know, how did he know he was going to be killed by a noose?

[57:17] Like this is a psychic HH Holmes grandson, I guess.

[57:23] Anyway, that's, he's just, he's just that good.

[57:26] It's his greatest weakness.

[57:27] Yeah.

[57:28] Being a psychic.

[57:29] Being a good murderer.

[57:30] Yeah.

[57:31] I was going to say getting hung by the neck.

[57:33] It's a, yeah, a flaw.

[57:36] Unfortunately, he was vulnerable.

[57:38] He had one weakness, all the things that would kill a normal person.

[57:42] Um, so that's like Achilles.

[57:46] Dangerous game for legacy murderers.

[57:49] Uh, let's do final judgments.

[57:51] Whether it's a good, bad movie, a bad, bad movie or movie.

[57:54] We kind of like, I'm going to say like is an edge case for me.

[58:00] I'm going to go with bad, bad movie because I found it too unpleasant in a lot of ways.

[58:08] Uh, but part of that might just be like, I was annoyed at having to like take notes and

[58:14] all the dumb twists and turns.

[58:16] The movie does go down easier when you're not taking notes on it.

[58:18] Yeah.

[58:19] When you're not doing homework.

[58:20] I, uh, I think if I'd seen it with like friends, maybe I would have been more delighted by

[58:25] it because it is like, particularly the historical fiction turn it takes was pretty wild and

[58:33] funny.

[58:34] So, you know, it's borderline, you know?

[58:36] Yeah.

[58:37] I'm going to join you on that.

[58:38] I, uh, I think I'm going to say it's a bad, bad movie.

[58:41] There's moments of it that I think could like, I feel like depending on like kind of how

[58:45] nasty of a mood you're in.

[58:47] Um, because I think there's enough of it that's like very sloppily and shoddily done that

[58:52] make it a pretty silly, but you know, it's really hard to get over a cat death for no

[58:59] reason.

[59:00] Yeah.

[59:01] I think I'm in the same boat as Dan that, uh, it's like, I think I'm in the same boat

[59:06] as you guys.

[59:07] No, no, no.

[59:08] I mean, I'm in the same, just a two person group chat as Dan, uh, where it's where I

[59:14] agree.

[59:15] I think if I was watching this with other people, I think it might be a good, bad, but

[59:18] by yourself, it's a, it's a bad, bad, it's just kind of unpleasant.

[59:21] And the, the funny parts are a little too far apart for me, you know?

[59:25] Yeah.

[59:26] But if, but if you were with other people, then you can kind of talk to them during those

[59:29] moments.

[59:30] Yeah.

[59:31] Maybe get another drink or something.

[59:32] Pops, go pop some corn.

[59:33] Yeah.

[59:34] Yeah.

[59:35] Why not?

[59:36] If you're going to pop something, why not just make a corn?

[59:42] One thing we all have in common, we all have a mind.

[59:46] It makes me so scared because I'm like, when is the bad thing going to happen?

[59:50] And minds can be kind of unpredictable and eccentric.

[59:54] Everybody wants to hear that they're not alone.

[59:57] Everybody wants to hear that someone else has those same thoughts.

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[1:03:29] I think on the website side, you would be fine with Squarespace, I think they would

[1:03:33] help you out.

[1:03:34] I mean, your website would probably require a lot of like functionality and drag and drop

[1:03:38] type stuff.

[1:03:39] Is that available in Squarespace?

[1:03:41] It's all available.

[1:03:42] And what about if I wanted people to look at it on their phones?

[1:03:47] It's optimized for mobile.

[1:03:48] Wow.

[1:03:49] Great.

[1:03:50] Yeah.

[1:03:51] Fantastic.

[1:03:52] As soon as I figure out.

[1:03:53] That's how people usually use websites these days.

[1:03:54] Yeah.

[1:03:55] Yeah.

[1:03:56] I think there's a Jumbotron, Stuart.

[1:03:57] There is a Jumbotron.

[1:04:01] Does your partner have interests?

[1:04:03] Why?

[1:04:04] Yeah.

[1:04:05] What are interests?

[1:04:06] What are they for?

[1:04:07] I know they're a threat to me, but in what way?

[1:04:11] Have you ever done a ninth grade level research project on Chi truck crumple zones while in

[1:04:19] line at the bank?

[1:04:20] Or track the evolutionary history of moles after seeing your neighbor post about blowing

[1:04:25] them up on Nextdoor?

[1:04:28] Each episode, host Alex will investigate one of his wife Ani's browser tabs and demand

[1:04:34] answers.

[1:04:35] Can he survive his journey into the heart of interests?

[1:04:40] You'll listen to Close Other Tabs with Ani and Alex.

[1:04:45] What a great premise for a show.

[1:04:46] That's it is a great premise for a show.

[1:04:48] We should have done that seven years ago of having to curse ourselves, the deadly legacy

[1:04:55] of our podcast.

[1:04:56] Yeah.

[1:04:57] Yeah.

[1:04:58] Speaking of continuing the deadly legacy of our podcast, the flop house has a very special

[1:05:03] thing going on right now.

[1:05:04] We are recording this the next day after the premiere of flop TV.

[1:05:09] That's right.

[1:05:10] Flop TV is back for season two.

[1:05:11] You may remember last year we did flop TV.

[1:05:14] It's kind of one hour live video broadcasts online of this show.

[1:05:19] Yet last night we did our first episode, Robocop 2.

[1:05:23] And if you missed it, that's fine.

[1:05:24] The video is up online and it will stay up online through the end of February.

[1:05:28] Right.

[1:05:29] Guys, I hate to say it, but I think it was one of our best.

[1:05:32] One of those.

[1:05:33] It was.

[1:05:34] Why do you hate to say that?

[1:05:35] I just hate to say it.

[1:05:36] You know, it just hates.

[1:05:37] I think he hates to denigrate our previous season, but I think it was one of our best

[1:05:40] ones.

[1:05:41] Yeah.

[1:05:42] If you go to the flop house dot simple tix, TIX dot com, you can buy individual episode

[1:05:48] tickets or a season pass that has a discount in it.

[1:05:51] The season pass gets you all six episodes for the price of five episodes and your ticket

[1:05:57] or your season pass gets you access to the show even after we've already done it.

[1:06:01] So we're going to be premiering this show the first Saturday of every month doing live

[1:06:05] premieres online.

[1:06:06] But if you can't make it on the first Saturday of every month at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern,

[1:06:12] then that's OK.

[1:06:14] You can watch the video at your leisure as many times as you want through the end of

[1:06:19] February 2025, when flop TV will go back into the flop house vault, maybe to be released

[1:06:26] when we die.

[1:06:27] Oh, hooray.

[1:06:28] I mean, no, no, that's not great.

[1:06:31] But we'll be doing six episodes once a month.

[1:06:33] First Saturday of every month.

[1:06:34] It's all sequels this time.

[1:06:35] The next one will be October 5th, break into electric boogaloo, a movie we've talked about

[1:06:42] a lot.

[1:06:43] We've never done an episode on it.

[1:06:44] It's going to be super fun.

[1:06:45] And I think, Dan, you were going to you were going to break dance live during the show.

[1:06:48] I mean, no guarantees.

[1:06:50] We'll see.

[1:06:51] I mean, if I if I try to dance, I probably will break at this age.

[1:06:56] But we'll we'll see what happens.

[1:06:58] Dan, do we have time for me to mention two personal promotions that I'd like to always

[1:07:02] have time for you?

[1:07:03] Are you really anything?

[1:07:04] The world.

[1:07:05] That's wonderful.

[1:07:06] I would like to say if you go to your local comic book store, you will most likely find

[1:07:09] the most recent issue of Hercules or Disney Hercules.

[1:07:13] It could also be called my comic series that I've written through Dynamite Comics.

[1:07:17] It is the characters from the Hercules movie, plus some new characters based on old Greek

[1:07:22] mythology.

[1:07:23] It is a starts out as a few individual adventures and builds into a big epic storyline that

[1:07:29] still has a satisfying story in each issue.

[1:07:32] So that's Hercules from Dynamite Comics, written by me in comic stores now.

[1:07:37] And also, if you want to hear me talk about stuff without Dan and Stuart, oh, what?

[1:07:42] Why?

[1:07:43] I mean, that's a good question.

[1:07:44] Well, if you want to hear me talk about civic and municipal maintenance and management,

[1:07:49] a subject Dan and Stuart are not as as interested in, go to the ninety nine percent invisible

[1:07:53] feed where once a month Roman Mars and I are breaking down the book, The Power Broker by

[1:07:58] Robert Caro.

[1:07:59] Speaking of world's fairs and expositions, we are not there yet, but we will be coming

[1:08:03] up to the chapters soon where Robert Moses is running the 1964 New York World's Fair.

[1:08:08] So look forward to that in the ninety nine percent visible podcast feed.

[1:08:12] But only do that after you listen to all the Flophouse episodes.

[1:08:15] Sounds good.

[1:08:16] Hey, what's a hey, hey, hey, what are you doing here?

[1:08:20] Hey, hey, hey, put that down.

[1:08:23] Let's move along.

[1:08:24] The letters from Lister.

[1:08:25] But that's my only weakness.

[1:08:27] The only weakness is lettering letters from our devoted listeners.

[1:08:33] Here's one of them.

[1:08:34] This is from Dalton.

[1:08:35] Last name withheld.

[1:08:36] Trumbo.

[1:08:37] Who writes?

[1:08:38] I hope we're breaking the blacklist and reading his letter here on the air.

[1:08:45] I was inspired while listening to the hit podcast The Chop House by the discussion of what dinosaurs

[1:08:50] tasted like.

[1:08:51] And as a paleontologist, wanted to let you know that that is definitely something we

[1:08:57] discuss with each other.

[1:08:58] There's even been some work on what prehistoric creatures may have been kosher.

[1:09:02] Spoiler.

[1:09:03] Not many.

[1:09:04] Wow.

[1:09:05] It's made it into the academic literature, I guess, because reptiles are generally not

[1:09:09] not kosher.

[1:09:10] I believe.

[1:09:11] Right.

[1:09:12] They don't.

[1:09:13] You're asking us.

[1:09:14] Yeah.

[1:09:15] Dan.

[1:09:16] Dan.

[1:09:17] Dan.

[1:09:18] You're a kosher butcher.

[1:09:19] Of the three.

[1:09:20] Yeah.

[1:09:21] Oh, good.

[1:09:22] Moving on.

[1:09:23] Sorry.

[1:09:24] Next paragraph starts like this and continues easing us into it.

[1:09:29] The host with the most was right on the money that we can't know for sure.

[1:09:33] And to look at birds for the closest comparison, when we're looking to make educated inferences

[1:09:38] on things, the fossil record, we try to bracket animals using their closest modern relatives.

[1:09:44] So with dinosaurs, we have birds on one side and alligators, crocodile crocodiles on the

[1:09:49] other.

[1:09:50] And as a certified alligator enjoyer, I do find it lives up to its reputation of tasting

[1:09:55] kind of like chicken, though, that is that what is that what a dragon would taste like?

[1:10:00] Like one can only assume, well, I guess we can't because we don't know what the dragons

[1:10:06] might evolve into over the years, you know, what they evolved from.

[1:10:09] Yeah.

[1:10:10] Mm hmm.

[1:10:11] Um, so that kind of vaguely birdish taste with a bit more depth of flavor is probably

[1:10:16] a safe guess for dinosaurs.

[1:10:18] Diet definitely plays a role, too.

[1:10:21] Things that eat fish tend to taste fishy.

[1:10:23] I've heard that carnivore carnivores taste pretty bad.

[1:10:27] So I've heard that too, to be honest, that like, um, bear meat is supposed to not be

[1:10:32] very good.

[1:10:33] Lion meat is supposed to not be very good.

[1:10:34] Yeah.

[1:10:35] Carnivores tend to not, not taste as good as herbivores.

[1:10:37] Yeah.

[1:10:38] That's what I've heard.

[1:10:39] I don't know that I've ever.

[1:10:40] No, but I've eaten alligators.

[1:10:41] That's a carnivore.

[1:10:42] What carnivores would you have eaten?

[1:10:44] Alligators is one of the few, I think, right?

[1:10:48] And if you're ever going to eat polar bear, do not eat the liver.

[1:10:51] It is toxic.

[1:10:52] Oh, okay.

[1:10:53] Cool.

[1:10:54] Yeah.

[1:10:55] I mean, I'm not planning on it.

[1:10:56] No, but you should probably keep that in mind all the time.

[1:10:59] Just in case.

[1:11:00] Yeah.

[1:11:01] Arctic adventure.

[1:11:02] Um, where was I when you go beyond the mountains of madness?

[1:11:06] Yeah.

[1:11:07] Well, he's saying T-Rex might be out, but I bet a hadrosaur shank would be good eats.

[1:11:12] Now what science can't give us clues on is the taste of fictional creatures.

[1:11:17] So for that, I turn to you.

[1:11:18] What made up creature from a movie would you most want to try?

[1:11:22] Keep on chopping in the Chi world.

[1:11:24] Salt and the last thing.

[1:11:27] We will.

[1:11:28] I want to eat.

[1:11:29] I want to eat that like I want to eat that giant thing that Anakin surfs on when they're

[1:11:33] in the like, uh, in the second kind of grazing mammal.

[1:11:37] Yeah.

[1:11:38] Yeah.

[1:11:39] I totally want to take a bite out of that.

[1:11:40] Similarly, when Chewbacca is cooking up that porg, I have to admit it looks really good.

[1:11:44] I mean, it looks kind of chicken.

[1:11:46] I'm sad at the death of such a cute animal, but it does of the animals.

[1:11:51] There are.

[1:11:52] Yeah.

[1:11:53] Yeah.

[1:11:54] I mean, I like my first, my first impulse was to go to something from like the Dark

[1:12:00] Crystal or something, but they all seem sentient.

[1:12:03] Like I don't know if I want to eat something.

[1:12:06] Although that scene with it, when the Skeksis are eating, I love it.

[1:12:08] There's a lot of stuff in there that I would try.

[1:12:10] It's yeah, it's great.

[1:12:11] Yeah.

[1:12:12] I've talked about it extensively on the spot.

[1:12:14] Yeah.

[1:12:15] Yeah.

[1:12:16] Um, there's a number of Dr. Seuss creatures that I want that, that I bet would taste pretty

[1:12:20] good.

[1:12:21] Like the Lorax.

[1:12:22] Yeah.

[1:12:23] Give me a Lorax haunt.

[1:12:24] Sure.

[1:12:25] Yeah.

[1:12:26] I mean, he does look.

[1:12:27] I am the Lorax.

[1:12:28] I speak for.

[1:12:29] Hey.

[1:12:30] Hey, what are you doing?

[1:12:31] Hey, get your mouth off of me.

[1:12:32] He already sort of looks like a ham with arms and legs.

[1:12:35] Has Danny DeVito ever played the Lorax?

[1:12:38] He did.

[1:12:39] Yes.

[1:12:40] In the movie, the Lorax.

[1:12:41] Oh, that makes so much sense.

[1:12:42] He in fact did do that.

[1:12:43] Yes.

[1:12:44] Oh God.

[1:12:45] Oh boy.

[1:12:46] Uh, I saw some of that, uh, at my in-laws house cause you know, they, they're kids around.

[1:12:51] So I put the Lorax on and, uh, I was immediately dismayed by it.

[1:12:55] I'm like, wow, you've really taken one of the most distinct art styles for a kid's book

[1:13:01] and, and generic it up, uh, for this movie.

[1:13:04] I mean, is that live action?

[1:13:06] Like the, like the green?

[1:13:07] No.

[1:13:08] No, no.

[1:13:09] It's illumination.

[1:13:10] The company that did the despicable me movies and stuff like that.

[1:13:12] And it looks like those.

[1:13:13] Yeah.

[1:13:14] Hmm.

[1:13:15] So I guess that answers your question anyway, but Dan, weren't you excited to learn about

[1:13:19] the Onceler's backstory?

[1:13:20] Backstory.

[1:13:21] Yeah.

[1:13:22] That, yeah.

[1:13:23] The, there's a lot of unnecessary complications added to that tale.

[1:13:27] It's worth it.

[1:13:29] It's worth it because it gave people on Tumblr the ability to ship the Onceler and his evil

[1:13:35] self.

[1:13:36] Yes.

[1:13:37] In fan, in erotic fan fiction.

[1:13:38] I did look up, uh, the Lorax on Letterboxd while it was on and I was like, oh, a lot

[1:13:43] of people horny for the Onceler now.

[1:13:45] Uh, that's what the kids are up to.

[1:13:49] If people online, they love tall, thin guys.

[1:13:51] They want every male animation character to be Jack Skellington basically.

[1:13:56] And he's got that messy hair too.

[1:13:57] Yeah.

[1:13:58] Yeah.

[1:13:59] Messy hair.

[1:14:00] Sure.

[1:14:01] Yeah.

[1:14:02] Uh, this is from Mark Lasting Withheld, who writes, Mark Wahlberg, who writes, hey, flawless.

[1:14:07] I wanted to ask you a question about, yeah.

[1:14:10] Yeah.

[1:14:11] Flawless Wahlberg.

[1:14:12] Um, this is also, is it weird that I wake up at three in the morning to, uh, play golf

[1:14:19] for 20 minutes?

[1:14:20] He's got a much gentler sounding voice though, is the weird, like he both sounds like, uh,

[1:14:25] he's like, oh, well I was going to tell him without all.

[1:14:27] Yeah.

[1:14:28] He does have a gentler sounding voice.

[1:14:29] That's true.

[1:14:30] Yeah.

[1:14:31] I'm doing, I was doing more of a Matt Damon, I guess.

[1:14:32] Yeah.

[1:14:33] This is another.

[1:14:34] So I bought a zoo.

[1:14:36] Can you believe it?

[1:14:39] Another Chop House related letter.

[1:14:41] You inspired.

[1:14:42] Wow.

[1:14:43] A generation of letter writers.

[1:14:44] I may have to do another Chop House episode.

[1:14:47] Yeah.

[1:14:48] Um, uh, Mark writes, I just pausing in the middle of your meat episode to tell you how

[1:14:53] to get this out.

[1:14:54] I couldn't even finish it to tell you a story about the John Cusack classic better off dead.

[1:15:00] I'm a little older than you guys.

[1:15:02] So I saw the film right before it came out while in film school at USC.

[1:15:06] Wow.

[1:15:07] In fact, director Savage Steve Holland came to a small press screening in one of the many

[1:15:12] little screening rooms in the then brand new George Lucas instructional building.

[1:15:17] I'm assuming to receive his honorary degree, the brand new George Lucas instructional building,

[1:15:23] which has since been torn down to make way for the monolithic stone film school.

[1:15:28] Most of us loved the insane comedy of the film and were thrilled by the presence of

[1:15:31] the director.

[1:15:32] But I'll never forget the Q and a, there was a grad student whose name I never knew, but

[1:15:37] was a regular at all screenings.

[1:15:39] Always asking the most laborious pedantic questions to every guest director.

[1:15:44] Here's what he asked Savage Steve Holland note, imagine the voice of a larger Arnold

[1:15:50] Horshack from welcome back, Cotter, Mr. Holland.

[1:15:53] I have a question.

[1:15:54] When the main character has a date with the girl, call me Savage Steve, the main character

[1:16:01] has a date with a girl.

[1:16:02] His father set him up with, he goes to pick her up at her house.

[1:16:06] Now her name was Joanne Greenwald, a clearly Jewish name.

[1:16:11] And yet she had Christmas lights on her house.

[1:16:14] At this point, Holland is nodding along and cuts them off.

[1:16:17] Yes, yes.

[1:16:18] That's an excellent point.

[1:16:19] We went back and forth.

[1:16:20] People pointed out if she's Jewish, she have Christmas lights, but the film takes place

[1:16:23] at Christmas time.

[1:16:24] And the fact is when I was in high school, I dated a girl named Joanne Greenwald and

[1:16:29] she had Christmas lights on her house.

[1:16:30] So fuck you.

[1:16:31] And he stormed out of the room.

[1:16:35] The PR person started to chase him in a panic.

[1:16:39] But he was immediately totally cool and said, oh, I'll be right back.

[1:16:43] I just have to pee.

[1:16:45] I've never enjoyed a director Q&A more.

[1:16:48] Keep on chopping and flopping, your pal Mark.

[1:16:51] Okay, what a great story.

[1:16:52] That's a great story.

[1:16:53] That's exactly the way I want Savage Steve Holland to be in the Q&A.

[1:16:57] It seems like he's real crazy, but then it turns out like, hey, I'm just goofing, just

[1:17:01] having fun.

[1:17:02] Yeah, we can all laugh.

[1:17:03] We can all laugh.

[1:17:04] Come on.

[1:17:05] We just got to have a good laugh, you know?

[1:17:07] Yeah.

[1:17:08] He would be canceled for having to use the bathroom now because we all have to be perfect

[1:17:11] and never have to empty our bladders.

[1:17:13] Yeah, man.

[1:17:14] Uh huh.

[1:17:15] L.A. speaks the truth.

[1:17:16] You know, you know, he says he says the things everyone else is too scared to say.

[1:17:20] Back when they made Blazing Saddles, people were using the bathroom all the time.

[1:17:23] You can't do that now.

[1:17:24] You can't use the bathroom now.

[1:17:27] L.A. says the things that are too stupid for anyone else to say.

[1:17:34] You know, oh, oh, should I not breathe because I'm exhaling too much carbon dioxide?

[1:17:37] Am I?

[1:17:38] Is that not woke enough that my body creates carbon dioxide?

[1:17:41] That's bad for the climate.

[1:17:42] Oh, wow.

[1:17:43] L.A.'s really leaned into this Netflix special of his.

[1:17:46] The problem is at a certain point, my satirical version of this starts sounding like I mean

[1:17:50] it and I don't.

[1:17:51] Yeah.

[1:17:52] Yeah.

[1:17:53] Yeah.

[1:17:54] No, we yeah, we've we've confused listers on occasion.

[1:17:56] Yeah.

[1:17:57] Yeah.

[1:17:58] That's all ironic.

[1:17:59] Okay.

[1:18:00] So let's move on to the funny way to use the bathroom to pretend to get mad and storm out.

[1:18:05] That's great.

[1:18:06] I mean, ask someone who often needs to use the bathroom, but feels like a weird social

[1:18:13] pressure like I can't I can't speak up like weirdly, it would be the easiest way to fake

[1:18:19] something like the worst.

[1:18:20] The worst version of that.

[1:18:21] I was once in a friend's house and they had dog hair all over their furniture and I was

[1:18:27] having an allergic reaction to it.

[1:18:28] And I was with I was with my wife and her college friends in their in one of their apartments.

[1:18:31] And I was like, I could feel my throat starting to close up.

[1:18:34] And I was like, I don't want to be a jerk and interrupt the conversation and be a buzzkill.

[1:18:38] So I guess I'll just sit here and asphyxiate and then someone was like, hey, let's take

[1:18:41] a walk outside.

[1:18:42] And I was like, oh, thank goodness.

[1:18:44] So I did survive that time.

[1:18:45] Glad you're still alive.

[1:18:46] Yeah.

[1:18:47] So we're going to be sharing bathroom stories and I had a couple queued up.

[1:18:50] But you know what?

[1:18:51] I'll say this for a minute.

[1:18:52] We should put those behind the paywall.

[1:18:55] When we when we do the mini, the plot, the plop house, we're just telling bathroom stories.

[1:18:59] Yeah.

[1:19:00] Let us go on.

[1:19:01] I may change my plans for what the mini was going to be that we were going to record.

[1:19:05] And we're going to fast.

[1:19:08] Let us do our recommendations of movies that might be a better use of your time.

[1:19:15] Dangerous game.

[1:19:16] The legacy murder.

[1:19:17] That's even possible.

[1:19:18] OK, let me change my eye.

[1:19:21] I'd like to recommend a movie I saw just recently at a screening like so many.

[1:19:29] It's a Kory Yuen film who recently passed away, like which we only learned like apparently

[1:19:35] two years after the fact.

[1:19:36] It was it was not widely reported, but rest in peace to a both a kung fu actor and director.

[1:19:47] But this is a film he directed from 2000 to called So Close, which is about a pair

[1:19:57] of like there's a female.

[1:20:00] Assassin and her sister who is more of like the tech person and then

[1:20:05] they are employed to assassinate someone and on their trail is a

[1:20:12] Female cop so it's three

[1:20:15] Ladies are our primary

[1:20:18] Protagonists and there's a love interest but

[1:20:21] This is a very

[1:20:22] Gay movie like they're constantly all giving well not those two sisters

[1:20:27] But they're giving one another these glances that suggest that the any males in the area are superfluous to the film

[1:20:35] But it's also just a very it's a great

[1:20:39] Sealy

[1:20:40] Action movie like it has so many

[1:20:43] Wild action sequences wild fights, but you know shot

[1:20:48] clearly and beautifully, but also with sort of a turn-of-the-century like

[1:20:53] aesthetic of

[1:20:54] CGI that's not quite there yet in a lot of places, but

[1:20:58] Stuff that would have bothered me at the time, but now with nostalgia goggles. I'm like, oh look at this beautiful nonsense

[1:21:04] It's just a lot of fun. You know, it's a if you're just looking for something

[1:21:09] purely enjoyable in the action area

[1:21:12] That's a little sexy to maybe so close is good

[1:21:17] I'm going to recommend a movie that it just got released this weekend

[1:21:22] And I want to pump it up so it doesn't get lost in the Netflix algorithm

[1:21:27] I'm gonna be recommending a rebel Ridge the new Jeremy Saulnier movie

[1:21:31] It's been a while since he made one and boy, it's good to have him back. It's a kind of a modern-day

[1:21:38] Western

[1:21:39] About a outsider who shows up to a small town and has to deal with the web of corruption specifically police corruption

[1:21:48] And it is shot beautifully it is super tense

[1:21:53] Score is great. The soundtrack is great. I mean, it's a movie that opens with number of the bees playing so it rules

[1:21:59] Yeah, and yeah

[1:22:01] I mean and and when it opens with number of the beasts are like man movies gonna have a lot to live up to and

[1:22:05] It does

[1:22:07] And the kind of trailer made it seem like it was gonna be pretty straightforward like actioner

[1:22:12] but I feel like it has a little bit more on its mind and

[1:22:15] The performances are all great. The lead Aaron Pierre is incredible and has such pretty eyes guys. It's it's amazing and

[1:22:22] It's just like the the build-up to the first action sequence is so fucking satisfying

[1:22:28] That when it happens you like it's hard not to like feel that rush and like pump your fists in the air. It's awesome

[1:22:35] Don Johnson's great as a villain. Yeah. Yeah thumbs up thumbs up. Check it out rebel Ridge

[1:22:40] I'm going to recommend an older film. In fact, it is the 50th anniversary this year of this movie, which is a total coincidence

[1:22:48] But this is one of the movies

[1:22:50] I think I've enjoyed the most of all the movies that I have watched this year so far

[1:22:55] And it's a French movie from 1974 called Celine and Julie go boating

[1:22:59] The full title is Celine and Julie go boating phantom ladies over Paris. That's the full French title

[1:23:05] But I mean, obviously that's it's a great title, right? Yeah

[1:23:08] It is a it's a French New Wave movie is a I know mostly I'm all about Czech New Wave movies

[1:23:13] But sometimes I watch New Wave

[1:23:16] It is a long movie. I'll warn you that off the bat. It's like three hours and change long, but

[1:23:23] What is it terrifier to?

[1:23:25] But I'll just say before I tell you a tiny bit about the plot that I found it to be one of the kind

[1:23:31] Of lightest in some ways kind of the most delightful like funniest movies. I've seen in a long time

[1:23:36] These two women Selene and Julie they're both living in Paris these two young women and they kind of meet

[1:23:42] somewhat by chance

[1:23:43] one of them drops something in front of the other one while she's sitting on a park bench and she goes to such lengths to

[1:23:48] chase after her to

[1:23:51] Give her back this thing and the two of them are kind of drawn together in a sort of fun almost a rational way

[1:23:58] but they end up as roommates they end up as best friends and

[1:24:01] They discover that there is a house where whenever either one of them enter it

[1:24:07] they are suddenly they suddenly become the nurse in a

[1:24:11] melodramatic story that involves a love triangle and a murdered child that is replaying over and over again whenever anyone enters that house and

[1:24:19] They decide that it is up to them to save that child by going back in and changing the story that is going on

[1:24:25] Constantly in that house and it is a movie that is I guess you can call it kind of magical

[1:24:29] Reality, you could call it kind of a movie about movies and what it's like if you were able to enter a movie and become

[1:24:36] Part of it, but more than any less action hero

[1:24:39] To be honest in some ways. It's kind of like the French new wave version of less action hero

[1:24:44] it's less overtly about movies, you know, but about entering a story and becoming part of the story and

[1:24:50] as the as the the two women eventually

[1:24:53] Decide they're gonna enter that story together and change the way it goes and they they realize oh

[1:24:58] We can kind of do whatever we want in this story and they go and they become silly with it

[1:25:02] But more than anything else

[1:25:03] It was one of these movies where like the the two the two lead actors Juliet Berto and Dominique

[1:25:09] Laborie like we're friends in real life and

[1:25:12] It feels like it

[1:25:13] It feels like you were watching to people what you were watching friends make a movie in a way that they are kind of making

[1:25:18] It up as they go along in some ways and it's just really fun

[1:25:21] And and like it has I know I guess there are ominous moments

[1:25:25] But while watching it, I was just like, oh this is this is hitting so many notes of enjoyment for me

[1:25:29] Well, I'm watching it. You know, this is a movie

[1:25:31] I've wanted to see you see for a long time, but I feel like it was difficult to see for a long time

[1:25:37] Where did you watch it? It's on Criterion Channel, right?

[1:25:39] So like the it is a movie that the thing that was keeping me from watching it for a long time was that it's long

[1:25:44] It's three hours long, but well, and I you know, I'm not gonna watch it all the way through

[1:25:49] I never have the time to sit and watch a three-hour movie

[1:25:51] But it certainly never felt to me like I'm sitting and watching a three-hour long movie. It's a French new wave movie

[1:25:57] It's gonna take its time with things

[1:25:59] There's not it's not a propulsive plot that's driving you from one scene to the next

[1:26:02] but I feel like if you watch it in a couple of installments then

[1:26:06] There's there's some scenes that they're just so super fun and the lead characters

[1:26:09] I found so just delightful to be around, you know

[1:26:12] and it's a movie that captures the feeling of being in being a young adult in a friendship that

[1:26:18] In us in a in a kind of magical way that I I have not seen done as well in other movies

[1:26:23] So I really loved it. So that's Celine and Julie go boating

[1:26:26] I cannot recommend it highly enough if you are willing to sit through a three-hour long French new wave

[1:26:30] Well, you know, it's you know, what's great is just being able to sit and watch an entire three-hour movie

[1:26:35] It rules stop. I mean stuff stop rubbing it in our if you have if you have this time, which I never do ever

[1:26:41] then yeah, I

[1:26:44] Certainly miss the days when I could go with my friend Brock to go to the Guggenheim and watch the entire

[1:26:49] Craymaster cycle all seven and a half or whatever hours in one sitting, you know

[1:26:54] Not only the time but the the

[1:26:57] would the attention span I

[1:26:59] Think back on when I was in college and there was a semester that we took in London and a rep

[1:27:07] theater was playing

[1:27:09] La Dolce Vita and eight-and-a-half back-to-back and I sit

[1:27:13] Back to back and now that's a feat that astounds me. I mean I think about their movies

[1:27:19] I watched as a kid

[1:27:19] I watched all all the old Godzilla movies as a kid and the idea of sitting through like all the talkie scenes in those movies

[1:27:25] Now I'm like, how did I have the patience for all those scenes of military generals just sitting around being like, what do we do?

[1:27:31] I don't know, you know and scientists being like, oh, here's some made-up science nonsense to explain

[1:27:36] Dinosaurs knocking over buildings, you know, that's the way I feel about Pink Panther movies

[1:27:39] I thought they were so funny when I was a kid

[1:27:41] But now I'm like if Peter Sellers or Herbert Lomb is not on screen. These things are dire. Yeah. Yeah

[1:27:50] Well, anyway, that's a yeah, I've seen the show I guess yeah, I guess so

[1:27:55] Yeah, that weird note of us hating sitting through movies now that we're old angry men. Yeah. No, I like it

[1:28:02] Put me in a movie theater with no distractions, maybe maybe give me a give me a little nosh some

[1:28:09] sip-on

[1:28:12] Kick back man, that's life. That's living

[1:28:20] Feel like I already did with Alex on Alex's podcast. So this has been the flop house. Thank you for listening

[1:28:27] We are a member of the maximum fun network go over to maximum fun org to check out other podcasts on the network

[1:28:35] We before mentioned Alex Smith. Mm-hmm is our producer

[1:28:39] He goes by the name Howell Dottie for various other endeavors. Does he ever?

[1:28:45] Yeah, he's got a new album out

[1:28:49] He's he does twitch streams. You should check out all of the stuff that Alex has going on as well

[1:28:56] And I guess that's it for this week, thank you for being with us for the flop house I've been Dan McCoy

[1:29:02] I've been Stuart Wellington, and I'm Elliot Kalin

[1:29:20] Well, it's just good to be back in the saddle, you know my two cowpokes

[1:29:23] Oh

[1:29:25] This poking cows, yeah, yeah, that's what they do they poke cows to say get along

[1:29:44] That's the thing you can't say that if it's not fucking true, yeah. Well, you can't say it today or you can't

[1:29:49] I

[1:29:52] Tried and I got so canceled guys can't say doggies or cowpokes anymore. They won't let you know. Just luckily my wife was there to hold my hand

[1:30:00] while I was being canceled.

[1:30:02] But FX picked you up, so that was good.

[1:30:08] I'm not sure I'm sure who we're talking about anymore,

[1:30:11] who we're referencing.

[1:30:14] I don't know, was there someone being referenced?

[1:30:17] No.

[1:30:19] Sometimes I just like, I kind of like create stories,

[1:30:22] and I build worlds, and they seem so real,

[1:30:25] that LA is like, that's got to be based on a real person.

[1:30:28] Yeah, exactly. Turns out it wasn't.

[1:30:31] No, it just sprang forth from my skull,

[1:30:34] like Athena.

[1:30:38] Okay, well, we're sufficiently warmed up, I think.

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