FH Mini 114 - Credits Report

[0:00] Hey, everyone. Welcome to a Flophouse Mini. I'm Dan McCoy.

Dan McCoy

[0:10] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:11] I'm Elliot Kalin, or at least I was Elliot Kalin.

[0:15] Join me, won't you, on a mystery that will go deep into the heart of identity.

[0:20] That's what this episode's about, right, Dan?

Dan McCoy

[0:21] I thought I was in charge, but Elliot seems to be taking over.

Elliott Kalan

[0:24] It's a hostile takeover of Dan's Mini.

[0:26] No, Dan, what are we doing today?

Dan McCoy

[0:28] So, normally on the Flophouse, as you know, probably, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[0:34] But every other week, we do a mini episode where we freeform it a little bit.

[0:40] And this one is inspired by a listener suggestion, actually, from John, last name with Held,

[0:47] who wanted a mini focused on Stuart and mid- and post-credit scenes.

[0:54] Because, as we all know, as part of Flophouse lore, Stu is infamous for shutting off the Flophouse movies the instant they are over.

[1:03] Meaning he frequently misses anything that happens after the end credits start.

[1:09] Yeah.

[1:10] So, today we're going to play a little game to see if this is true of Stuart and all movies.

[1:17] Elliot, you are involved too.

[1:19] You're here in an advisory capacity for your friend and co-host.

[1:22] You can help him.

[1:24] Or, I guess, if you choose to, you can hinder him.

Elliott Kalan

[1:27] I don't know why I would do that, but now that the option is in front of me, I think I may have to take it.

[1:32] You should get a squid game to me.

Dan McCoy

[1:35] I've got to let you know that you're free to do what you please.

[1:38] The answer is up to you.

[1:40] But the final answers are going to come from Stuart.

[1:43] Oh, wow.

[1:44] A lot of press.

[1:45] So, I have a list of films that have mid- or post-credit scenes.

[1:50] I'm going to give the title of the movie and a brief refresher of the premise.

[1:54] And we'll see if Stu either remembers, if he's seen it, or can guess what happens in the credit scene in a game that I'm calling Just One More Thing.

[2:05] Just One More Thing.

[2:06] Brought to you by Columbo.

[2:08] If you thought something was over, but there's just one more thing, it might be a credit scene.

[2:13] Or you might be watching Columbo.

[2:15] Now streaming on 2B Prime Video and Peacock.

Elliott Kalan

[2:18] Just to be fair, you said brought to you by Columbo.

[2:21] Did we receive any money for this advertisement for Columbo?

Dan McCoy

[2:24] No.

[2:26] The fictional character Columbo, now likely deceased.

[2:32] I mean, you know, Peter Falk is not with us.

[2:35] But the character probably also, you know.

[2:39] You don't think he stepped through the Stargate and became one with the cosmos?

[2:43] I'm just saying, no money has come from the fictional character Columbo.

Elliott Kalan

[2:47] Or the show, which you just mentioned.

[2:48] Or the show.

[2:49] Where you can find it.

[2:50] No.

[2:51] What about Columbo University here in New York City?

[2:54] Columbo University.

[2:57] I finally, I'm graduating today.

[2:59] Just One More Thing.

Dan McCoy

[3:03] Now, I want to warn the audience, of course, this will obviously be filled with spoilers for films of the past.

[3:11] So, if that concerns you, tread carefully.

Elliott Kalan

[3:14] I'd be more concerned if it was filled with spoilers for films of the future.

Stuart Wellington

[3:17] That would be wild, right?

[3:18] Yeah.

[3:19] Would you be concerned or impressed?

[3:21] A little bit of both?

[3:22] Like, I didn't realize I was sitting next to Early Edition over here.

[3:27] That's me.

[3:27] Earl E.

[3:29] Edition.

Dan McCoy

[3:30] The first film.

[3:31] The E also stands for early, which is weird.

[3:33] Yeah.

[3:34] That's weird.

[3:34] Early, early.

[3:35] Earl, early.

[3:37] Edition.

[3:39] 1985.

[3:41] Young Sherlock Holmes.

[3:42] Young Sherlock Holmes.

[3:44] Directed improbably by one Barry Levinson.

[3:47] It is a film about young Sherlock Holmes.

[3:51] His boarding school adventures where he meets Watson, engages in a tragic romance, and fights a secret Victorian cult.

[3:59] This film also has a post-credits scene.

[4:03] What is it?

[4:04] Now, again, Elliot can jump in and advise, hinder.

[4:09] Can I ask a question?

[4:10] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[4:11] Dan, where does this fit canonically in your Sherlock Holmes rankings?

Dan McCoy

[4:17] I'm actually quite fond of young Sherlock Holmes.

[4:20] It, you know, it obviously goes against the canonical sort of Sherlock Holmes story where Watson and Holmes meet later in life.

[4:32] But it's kind of a fun little kids' adventure that combines Sherlock Holmes with sort of a, I don't know, more of a Temple of Doom Goonies feel.

[4:43] So.

Stuart Wellington

[4:44] Okay.

[4:44] So let's see.

[4:45] I mean, I think the, I think it does have a post-credits scene.

[4:50] You're right there.

[4:51] Good.

[4:52] You're on the right side.

[4:53] That's information that Dan already provided.

[4:54] I get partial credit, I think is.

[4:57] For restating the question.

[4:59] I feel like it's an introduction of Moriarty and a tease for him returning as a villain.

[5:06] You are correct, Stuart.

[5:07] The villain.

Dan McCoy

[5:08] Got it.

[5:08] The villain of the picture is revealed to be alive.

[5:11] We thought he had perished.

[5:12] He's alive.

[5:12] He checks himself into a hotel in the Alps under a new name, Moriarty.

Elliott Kalan

[5:17] Oh.

[5:18] And how did that play in the young Sherlock Holmes 2?

Dan McCoy

[5:22] Unfortunately, we did not get any further adventures.

[5:26] Slightly older Sherlock Holmes was not made.

[5:31] You know, young man, quarter life prices, Sherlock Holmes didn't burn up the box office.

Stuart Wellington

[5:37] Did they just end up making an even younger Sherlock Holmes?

[5:41] Yeah, baby Holmes.

Dan McCoy

[5:41] They're probably going to do a baby Sheldon movie or TV show, right?

[5:45] You got it.

[5:45] There's nowhere else to go unless you go with like super old Sheldon.

Stuart Wellington

[5:49] I mean, you can do both.

Elliott Kalan

[5:50] They both have to team up with each other.

[5:51] It's a time travel story.

Stuart Wellington

[5:52] Yeah, exists.

[5:53] Yeah.

[5:53] I mean, he exists in all times, all points, all everywhere.

Elliott Kalan

[5:56] Yeah, there's always been a Sheldon.

Dan McCoy

[5:58] Then there will always be a Sheldon.

[6:00] He's the Alpha and the Omega.

[6:02] Okay.

[6:03] 1992.

[6:05] We all remember 1992.

[6:07] We lived through it.

[6:08] Yeah.

[6:08] A little film was released called Lethal Weapon 3.

[6:12] Directed by...

[6:13] Loaded Weapon 2, you said?

[6:16] Directed by Richard Donner.

[6:18] It's the third in a series about a lethal weapon and his partner who's getting too old for this shit.

[6:24] This film has a credit scene.

[6:26] What happens in the credit scene to Lethal Weapon 3?

Stuart Wellington

[6:30] Now, Lethal Weapon 3 is the one with the cop killer bullets.

[6:35] Yes.

[6:36] It's the bullets, the armor-piercing cop killer.

[6:38] It's not the one with Jet Li.

[6:39] Rene Russo.

[6:40] That's Lethal Weapon 4.

[6:41] No, that's part 4.

[6:42] Yeah.

[6:42] Jet Li's in part 4.

Elliott Kalan

[6:43] Yeah, because Lethal Weapon 2 introduced Joe Pesci, right?

[6:47] Mm-hmm.

[6:47] And then Lethal Weapon 3 introduces Rene Russo, right?

[6:50] Mm-hmm.

Stuart Wellington

[6:50] And part 3 also has a guy getting killed and then they have the boys to men, end of the road song at the funeral.

[6:59] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[6:59] Yeah.

[6:59] These are also most of the things I remember about this movie.

[7:03] Yeah.

[7:03] There's a part, I think, where they—

[7:06] The villains.

[7:06] Rene Russo and Mel Gibson, they fight?

[7:11] They compare scars.

[7:12] It's sort of like a—

[7:13] Yeah.

[7:13] Yeah, like Jaws.

[7:14] Jaws thing.

[7:15] Mm-hmm.

[7:15] And this is the one where the building blows up at the beginning.

[7:18] They end up having sex, right, in Jaws when they compare scars.

[7:19] Yeah, all three of them have sex in Jaws.

[7:21] It's really hot.

[7:22] Yeah.

[7:24] Elliot, do you have any sort of glint in your eye?

[7:27] Do you recall anything about this?

[7:29] I don't.

Elliott Kalan

[7:29] My guess is this is more of a funny mid-credits scene than a teasing something for the future.

Stuart Wellington

[7:33] I feel like Joe Pesci has been, like, left somewhere and he's like,

[7:37] Are you guys coming back for me?

Elliott Kalan

[7:39] Yeah, exactly.

[7:39] Yeah, he's at the bottom of the ocean with his feet in some cement and he's like,

[7:42] Oh, Grace!

[7:44] I can only hold my breath so long.

Dan McCoy

[7:46] Yeah.

[7:47] That's how he sounds, right?

[7:48] Yeah, yeah.

[7:48] Exactly.

[7:51] You're right.

[7:51] I mean, I guess it's kind of a comedic scene.

[7:54] So, the tone is correct.

[7:58] Although, you know, in real life this would not be a funny happening.

[8:02] No, I'm sure.

Elliott Kalan

[8:03] And it's probably not funny when you're watching Lethal Weapon 3 either.

Dan McCoy

[8:06] No, it's deadly serious.

Elliott Kalan

[8:09] I mean, the humor probably fails to achieve its goal.

[8:13] Yeah, it's like-

Stuart Wellington

[8:14] Lethal Weapon 2 is the one with the bomb on the toilet, right?

Dan McCoy

[8:17] That's two.

[8:18] Yeah.

[8:19] That's Lethal Weapon 2.

[8:21] And a ghoulie planted that bomb.

[8:24] Oh, okay.

[8:25] Wow.

Elliott Kalan

[8:26] I mean, I'll watch a Lethal Weapon ghoulies crossover.

[8:28] So, that's more fun than any of the actual Lethal Weapons, to be honest.

Dan McCoy

[8:31] Ooh, yeah.

[8:32] Okay.

[8:33] Lethal's Weapon.

[8:34] This is the way you pluralized that.

Elliott Kalan

[8:36] You know what?

[8:37] I should re-watch the Lethal Weapon movies.

[8:39] I remember watching them when I was young.

[8:40] I was just so disappointed that it was just two guys.

[8:44] Like, that was the concept.

[8:44] Yeah.

[8:44] It was just two guys that solve a crime, I guess.

[8:48] Like, there was nothing more to it, essentially.

Stuart Wellington

[8:50] Yeah, I mean-

[8:51] Yeah, but like, one's crazy.

[8:53] I remember them-

[8:54] And one of them just wants to retire.

Dan McCoy

[8:57] Yeah.

[8:57] I remember them being like, okay.

[9:00] But like, they were never like, in that sort of buddy cop thing.

[9:04] I don't know.

[9:04] They didn't transcend from anything.

Stuart Wellington

[9:06] I feel like, I feel like after Bad Boys 2 came out, it's like, why am I messing with this

[9:10] stuff?

[9:11] Yeah.

[9:11] Yeah, man.

[9:12] It's fair.

Dan McCoy

[9:12] You see a rat puppet have sex with another rat puppet?

[9:15] Sure.

[9:17] Okay.

[9:17] So, you're giving up on what happens, or do you want to-

[9:19] I already guessed.

[9:20] That's right.

[9:21] Right.

[9:21] Sorry.

[9:21] Joe Pesci's stuck somewhere, and he's like, guys, are you coming back for me?

Elliott Kalan

[9:24] He's in like a trunk or something that has to be claimed at the airport.

[9:27] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[9:28] No, it's Riggs and Murtaugh are called to another building, and they debate whether to

[9:33] go inside the building, and the building explodes.

[9:37] There's a freeze frame, and Riggs says, I hope no one saw us.

[9:41] Which seems strange to me, because like, should they have gone into the building and gotten

[9:45] blown up?

[9:46] Because the opening-

Elliott Kalan

[9:47] Is it that one that opens with them cutting the wrong wire, and it all blows up?

[9:52] Yeah.

[9:52] So, it's a callback to that, where it's like, they didn't even get in there, and it

[9:55] blows up.

[9:56] Oh, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[9:56] Yeah.

[9:56] Yeah, wherever they go, buildings blow up.

Stuart Wellington

[9:59] Because it's the fourth one that opens with the guy in the armored bodysuit and the flamethrower

[10:03] and machine gun.

[10:05] I don't even remember.

[10:06] Yeah, I remember that.

[10:07] Yeah, yeah.

[10:08] And he's like, blasting heavy metal music in his headphones.

Dan McCoy

[10:11] Yeah.

[10:11] Okay.

[10:12] So, let's skip ahead a couple years to 1994.

[10:16] Street Fighter.

[10:18] Directed by Stephen E. D'Souza.

[10:21] An adaptation of the video game about various characters-

[10:24] Oh, that's what's an adaptation.

[10:25] That fight one another.

[10:26] Yeah, yeah.

[10:26] After the-

Stuart Wellington

[10:27] Not a reboot of the Sonny Chiba movie.

[10:29] No.

Elliott Kalan

[10:29] I was going to say, no, it is not a remake of the Sonny Chiba movie.

[10:32] The movie where-

[10:33] With Raul Julia as Sonny Chiba.

Stuart Wellington

[10:35] The movie where when he punches dudes, it does an x-ray attack, and he like-

[10:39] It's amazing.

[10:39] He sees them crushing their skulls, or-

[10:41] You see the bones breaking.

[10:41] Doesn't he like rip a dude's dong off?

Elliott Kalan

[10:43] I don't remember that part.

[10:45] Guys, write it.

[10:46] You always think that people's dongs get ripped off.

[10:48] Yeah.

[10:48] To be honest, I get Sonny Chiba movies mixed up.

[10:51] A lot.

[10:52] You know.

[10:52] Okay, go on.

[10:53] I get mixed up what's in Street Fighter and what's in like Karate Bear Fighter.

Stuart Wellington

[10:56] Real quick, I think this is a really important thing.

[10:59] If I were to fire up Street Fighter, who will you play?

[11:02] What character would you play?

[11:03] Wait.

[11:03] Oh.

[11:04] Play the video game Street Fighter.

[11:05] What's your character?

[11:06] Same, distance attack, but I also like Vega because he does a lot of jump attacks.

[11:09] Wow, okay.

[11:10] Yeah, you're a goofy character guy.

Elliott Kalan

[11:13] I like to go in, hit, come right back out again.

[11:15] Yeah.

[11:15] Okay.

[11:16] I think Street Fighter is the movie where a guy to show how strong he is, he puts a bottle

[11:20] in his elbow between his bicep and the rest, and he squeezes it until the bottle breaks

[11:26] just to show how strong he is.

[11:27] That's super hard.

Dan McCoy

[11:28] I think that happens in the movie.

[11:29] I think I usually played either Blanka or Chun-Li.

[11:35] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[11:36] Solid characters, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[11:37] And both have a powerful button mash.

[11:40] Yeah.

[11:40] And also a powerful sexual attraction, yeah.

[11:42] Yeah.

[11:43] And of course, I'm Zongief, the Russian bear fighter.

[11:46] I just love a guy who can pick you up and spin that.

[11:48] The big hairy guy.

[11:49] Yeah, I love a big hairy dude.

[11:50] You know who I'm not playing as?

Elliott Kalan

[11:50] Not playing as Ken.

[11:52] Not playing as Ryu.

[11:53] Boring.

Stuart Wellington

[11:54] Ryu.

[11:54] Not even later on where they leaned into the hobo Ryu element.

[11:59] And like, I don't know, like Hot Dad can.

[12:01] Go on, Dan.

Elliott Kalan

[12:02] No, I want to play a character that has some kind of superhuman thing about them.

[12:06] Yeah.

[12:06] I mean, they throw fireballs.

[12:08] That's true.

[12:08] That's not so fun.

[12:09] That's not that fun.

Dan McCoy

[12:11] Okay.

[12:11] Well, anyway, in Street Fighter, after the credits roll, there's more.

[12:15] Tell me about it, stud.

Stuart Wellington

[12:18] That's me.

[12:20] What happened?

[12:20] There's more.

[12:22] Okay.

[12:24] Maybe like M.

[12:26] Bison like claws his way out of the grave or out of like a building or something.

[12:32] You know what, Stuart?

Dan McCoy

[12:33] You are basically correct.

[12:35] There are so many.

[12:36] I had to be careful because there's so many of these mid-credit scenes that are essentially

[12:40] just, oh, he's not dead.

[12:42] The bad guy's back.

[12:43] Yeah.

[12:45] But he's not dead.

[12:47] Oh.

[12:47] One might even show up later in this game.

[12:52] Who knows?

[12:52] But yeah, Solar Power reactivates M. Bison's computer and its revival system, which restores Bison.

[13:01] His fist smashes through the rubble.

[13:03] And on the computer screen, World Domination colon replay is selected.

[13:09] Oh, yeah.

[13:10] He gets another chance.

[13:11] He has an extra life.

[13:13] And movies based on video games are good.

[13:15] Yeah.

[13:16] Always.

Stuart Wellington

[13:17] Can't wait for that.

[13:17] Never been a die.

Elliott Kalan

[13:18] Can't wait for that Minecraft movie, huh?

Stuart Wellington

[13:21] I mean, we are staring down the barrel of the very real Borderlands movie, guys.

[13:27] Yeah, I guess we're going to have to do that one.

[13:28] We got to do that one.

[13:30] We got to do that one, yeah.

[13:31] The one that is not doing well for old Lionsgate.

[13:35] Yeah.

[13:37] I might have to change the locks.

Elliott Kalan

[13:41] Might have to give away the lion.

[13:44] It's Cate Blanchett, right?

[13:45] Yeah.

[13:45] Yes.

[13:45] It's Cate Blanchett.

[13:47] You can't blame her.

[13:48] It's money.

[13:48] No, no, no.

Dan McCoy

[13:49] I'm sure that any enjoyment I'm going to get out of that will be mostly Cate-based.

Elliott Kalan

[13:54] And any not enjoyment you get will be the Jack Black robot.

[13:57] Luckily, he's also in Minecraft.

[14:01] Oh, boy.

Stuart Wellington

[14:03] So wait.

[14:04] In a Minecraft movie, do they just look like the guys from the Money for Nothing video?

[14:08] No.

Stuart Wellington

[14:08] No.

Elliott Kalan

[14:08] It's the same old thing about people get sucked into the video game.

[14:12] So you have live action people in a Minecraft world.

[14:15] But the Minecraft world actually looks much better in the movie than it does in the video game.

[14:18] That sucks.

[14:20] And Jack Black shows up as Steve, the character from Minecraft.

[14:23] But he's still got a huge beard because I guess he told them, I'll do the movie, but I don't want to shave.

Stuart Wellington

[14:27] And they're like, he is so essential to the success of this.

Dan McCoy

[14:31] Yeah.

[14:31] I am sure you're right about the Jack Black robot, Elliot.

[14:34] But the thing is about that, unlike how I'm sure that I will like Cate Blanchett in it, I know that me disliking that robot won't be Jack Black's fault.

[14:44] No, it won't be Jack Black's fault at all.

[14:45] It will be whoever was told to write a Jack Black robot.

[14:49] What does he do?

[14:50] The voice for Claptrap?

Elliott Kalan

[14:51] Is Claptrap the robot?

[14:53] I think like the little boxy robot guy.

[14:55] Yeah, little boxy robot.

[14:56] So here's the thing.

[14:57] Jack Black, I love him.

[14:58] He does a lot of great performances.

[15:00] I've been a fan of his for a long time since I first saw him on Mr. Show years ago.

[15:04] He first heard tenacious-y.

[15:05] But it always stinks when suddenly this performer that you generally like is suddenly very annoying in a lot of movies all at the same time.

Dan McCoy

[15:12] Right, because people are like, just have him do his thing.

[15:15] You know, like they put him into this particular box.

Elliott Kalan

[15:18] It's not pushing him creatively as a performer.

[15:20] Yeah.

[15:21] The Minecraft Borderlands.

[15:22] And he's like, yeah, I'll take another house.

[15:23] That's fine.

Dan McCoy

[15:26] Okay, so moving on.

[15:28] The last selection before we'll take a little break here.

[15:31] Superhero movies.

[15:32] They often have credit scenes.

[15:35] Okay.

[15:35] And 2003's Daredevil is no exception.

[15:38] Mm-hmm.

[15:39] Directed by Mark Steven Johnson.

[15:42] It tells the tale of famed crime-fighting blind lawyer Matt Murdock, his romance with Elektra Assassin,

[15:49] and his battle with the insidious Kingpin and the deadly Bullseye, based on the podcast by Jesse Thorne.

Elliott Kalan

[15:55] What happens?

[15:56] What if Jesse Thorne played Bullseye in the Daredevil movie?

[15:59] I would love it.

[16:00] I would love it.

[16:01] Yeah.

[16:01] I can turn anything into a weapon.

[16:03] So here's this hip-hop CD.

[16:06] He just throws it, you know.

[16:07] He sounds like Kermit.

[16:08] Yeah.

[16:08] He sounds a lot like Kermit.

Dan McCoy

[16:09] I'm not against it, though.

[16:11] No, sort of a gentle Bullseye.

[16:13] What if Kermit was Bullseye?

Elliott Kalan

[16:15] Yeah, anything in my hands because it becomes a weapon.

Stuart Wellington

[16:18] So wait, does that make Elektra Miss Piggy?

Elliott Kalan

[16:22] Yes, Elektra's Miss Piggy.

[16:23] Fozzie is the Kingpin.

[16:26] So who's Daredevil?

[16:27] Daredevil is Gonzo.

[16:28] Gonzo, I suppose, yeah.

[16:30] I'm the man without fear.

[16:31] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[16:33] See, Sam the Eagle is Kingpin.

Elliott Kalan

[16:35] The Elektra comes up.

Stuart Wellington

[16:37] Sam the Eagle is a really good Kingpin choice.

Elliott Kalan

[16:39] Actually, he would be a great Kingpin choice, yeah.

[16:41] So Gonzo, sorry.

[16:43] Okay, Kermit is Daredevil.

[16:44] He has to be because he's the main character.

[16:46] Gonzo is Foggy Nelson, the goofy sidekick.

[16:49] Yes.

[16:49] Fozzie is, I guess Fozzie has to be Bullseye then.

Dan McCoy

[16:54] Wow, like sort of a neurotic Bullseye would be very funny.

Elliott Kalan

[16:57] Ah, anything in my hands is a weapon.

Dan McCoy

[17:01] I love it.

[17:03] I can't, I just, you know, any Muppet thing makes me happy.

[17:06] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[17:06] Did you see the thing recently where, I forget who it was,

[17:09] some lady, some young actress, she was in an article,

[17:12] she was like, I want to be the only person in a Muppet movie,

[17:15] just like Michael Caine was the only person in his Muppet movie.

[17:18] And on Twitter, the guy who does the Muppets history feed,

[17:21] he's like, I'll remind everyone there are,

[17:23] Michael Caine's not the only person in the Muppet movie,

[17:26] in Muppet Christmas Carol.

[17:28] Like, all the Muppets are operated by people.

[17:30] Like, it's such a funny thing for a performer to be like,

[17:33] I want to be the only human who works with the Muppets.

Dan McCoy

[17:36] Okay, well, there's a post-credit scene in Daredevil.

[17:41] Stuart, can you tell me what this credit scene might be?

Stuart Wellington

[17:47] Well, I feel like it would be dumb.

[17:49] So I've never actually seen the Daredevil movie.

[17:52] Yeah.

[17:53] I didn't have a huge connection.

[17:54] Oh, it's good.

Dan McCoy

[17:54] It's great.

Stuart Wellington

[17:55] Yeah, you missed a really great movie.

[17:57] Oh, man.

[17:57] That was the start of the MCU, right?

[17:59] It's what, he's a character that I never really had a real connection with.

Dan McCoy

[18:04] And for whatever reason, this movie didn't seem that great.

Stuart Wellington

[18:07] Yeah.

[18:08] Let's see.

[18:09] I would say.

Elliott Kalan

[18:10] Okay, the movie that created Bennifer 2.

[18:12] Not that great.

[18:13] All right, okay.

[18:14] Yeah.

[18:15] Hey, you heard it first, folks.

[18:18] You know, Bennifer, I think I've made this joke before about Bennifer 1 being the first

[18:22] non-consecutive Bennifer.

[18:24] Bennifer 1 and Bennifer 3 are technically the same Bennifer, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[18:28] So, I don't think it's.

[18:30] Take a little guess.

[18:32] No, I know.

[18:33] Stop pressureing me.

Dan McCoy

[18:34] Don't, you know, go eat a fucking Uncrustable.

Stuart Wellington

[18:38] So, I think it's got to introduce another character, but like, who's another Daredevil character?

[18:45] Like, Typhoid Mary or something?

[18:47] Is it Typhoid Mary?

[18:48] Does it introduce Typhoid Mary?

[18:50] Hmm.

Dan McCoy

[18:52] I was not aware of this character, and now I'm interested, but what happens there?

Elliott Kalan

[18:56] Typhoid Mary's a great character.

[18:57] I mean, it takes, it's basically kind of doing Electra, but more so.

Stuart Wellington

[19:00] No, wait, no.

[19:01] Does it introduce Tombstone?

Dan McCoy

[19:03] What about Stiltman?

[19:04] Does it introduce Stiltman?

[19:05] No, we see Bullseye.

[19:08] We see Bullseye.

[19:09] The Trapster?

[19:09] Oh, is this when he gets his costume for the first time?

[19:12] Well, Bullseye is in a prison.

Elliott Kalan

[19:13] The Trapster is not a Daredevil villain, never been a Daredevil villain.

Dan McCoy

[19:18] Bullseye is in a prison hospital.

[19:20] He's all bandaged up after his encounter with Daredevil.

[19:24] He still has perfect aim, though, which we see when he impales a fly with a syringe and says,

[19:32] Bullseye.

Elliott Kalan

[19:33] So it's just another variant on the villain is going to be back.

Dan McCoy

[19:36] Yeah.

[19:37] You know, the villain's not done.

[19:38] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[19:38] So with that.

[19:40] As opposed to introducing the owl or the jester or any other of Daredevil's amazing rogues, you know.

Dan McCoy

[19:47] Let's take a little break.

[19:48] Elliot, why don't you tell us a little bit about Flop TV?

Elliott Kalan

[19:51] I would love to.

[19:52] Flop TV, if you've never heard of it before, is our one-hour kind of TV show version of the Flophouse podcast.

[19:58] We broadcast live the first Saturday of each month at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific,

[20:04] and then that episode's video remains up for months afterwards so you can watch it at your leisure in case you don't see it when it actually happens.

[20:12] We're doing it from September through February, and the episodes will stay up online through the end of February.

[20:18] So go to theflophouse.simpleticks.com to buy either individual tickets for each episode or a season pass that gives you a little bit of a discount.

[20:26] It's getting six episodes for the cost of five.

[20:29] And, Dan, what's the theme for this season of Flop TV?

Dan McCoy

[20:33] The theme is sequels.

[20:35] They are all number twos.

Elliott Kalan

[20:37] That's right.

[20:38] It's second movies in a row on our second season of Flop TV.

[20:42] It's a lot of fun.

[20:44] Every episode gets you a new presentation from one of the floppers, a video piece from one of the floppers, the flop treatment of one of these sequels.

[20:50] And we answer questions from the viewers.

[20:53] It's fantastic.

[20:54] There's a lot of fun going on in the chat box as people watch along and chat along.

[20:59] So that's theflophouse.simpleticks.com for Flop TV Season 2, the first Saturday of every month from September through February at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific.

[21:10] And then watch the episodes as many times as you want, whenever you want, through the end of February.

John Hodgman

[21:20] Ego sum John Hodgman.

S5

[21:22] Ego sum Janet Varney.

John Hodgman

[21:23] And we're the hosts of E Pluribus Motto, a podcast dedicated to exploring the mottos of every state in the union.

S5

[21:29] Every episode, we will spotlight one state and discuss its official symbols, the motto, flowers, birds, beverages, songs, and even official state muffins.

John Hodgman

[21:39] Plus, we'll hear from guests whose lives have been inspired by the state's iconography and from residents who call that state home.

S5

[21:46] Bring some snacks, a map, and your travel journal because this podcast is a virtual journey like no other.

John Hodgman

[21:51] Aude nostrumi pluribus motto quae libit alia luni di maximum fun.

S5

[21:56] And for the Latin challenged among you and us, listen to E Pluribus Motto every other Monday on Maximum Fun.

Alonso Duralde

[22:04] Since 2017, Maximum Film has had the same slogan.

[22:07] The podcast that's not just a bunch of straight white guys.

S7

[22:10] Ooh, we've learned something over the years.

[22:12] Some people out there really do not like that slogan.

Alonso Duralde

[22:15] Listen, we love straight white guys.

[22:17] Well, some of them.

[22:18] But if there's one thing we can't change, it's who we are.

[22:21] I'm Ify, a comedian who was on strike last year in two different unions.

S7

[22:26] I'm Drea.

[22:26] I've been a producer and film festival programmer for decades.

Alonso Duralde

[22:29] And I'm Alonzo, a film critic who literally wrote the book on queer Hollywood.

[22:34] You can listen to us talk movies and the movie biz every week on Maximum Film.

[22:38] We may not be straight white guys, but we love movies.

[22:41] And we know what we're talking about.

S7

[22:42] Listen to Maximum Film on Maximum Fun or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Elliott Kalan

[22:48] And also, before we get back to the show, I'm very excited to say that this coming Wednesday,

[22:54] October 23rd, the first issue of my run on Harley Quinn, DC's comic book about Harley Quinn,

[23:01] will be in comic book stores.

[23:02] It's issue 44, Harley Quinn number 44.

[23:05] I'm taking the reins of the book for a while, and I'm very excited about this storyline.

[23:09] It's going to be fun.

[23:10] It's going to be funny.

[23:11] It's going to be exciting.

[23:12] It's going to be silly.

[23:13] There's going to be big action in it.

[23:15] It's going to be great.

[23:16] The art is by Mindy Lee.

[23:17] It looks beautiful.

[23:19] I'm just super excited about it.

[23:20] So go to your local comic book store on Wednesday, October 23rd, and pick up Harley Quinn number 44,

[23:26] written by me.

Dan McCoy

[23:27] Well, let us move on to the second part of the mini.

[23:32] And this is the only Flophouse movie I'm including in here.

[23:36] It's the very first Flophouse movie.

[23:39] Oh, wow.

[23:39] 2005, it's stealth, directed by Rob Cohen, the tale of EDI, an artificial intelligence jet created by the military that turns against our heroes,

[23:50] Josh Lucas, Jamie Foxx, and Jessica Biel.

[23:53] They prevail, but something happens after the credits.

[23:56] What?

Stuart Wellington

[23:59] Like the EDI 2.0 boots up.

Dan McCoy

[24:03] Or is revealed.

[24:05] I mean, basically, that's what it is.

[24:07] This is the final, the nightmare is not over.

[24:10] One, on the border between North and South Korea, the AI brain turns back on.

Stuart Wellington

[24:17] Oh, no.

[24:18] Yeah, I'm glad that they made this movie, this call to, a warning call about the horrors of AI.

[24:28] And humanity listened, and it's not a problem anymore.

[24:31] Yeah.

[24:32] Yeah, stealth did it.

Elliott Kalan

[24:33] No more AI.

[24:34] One of the most effective movies in the history of movies.

[24:37] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[24:38] We're moving forward in time.

[24:40] I mean, obviously we are.

[24:41] Yeah.

[24:41] But.

[24:42] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[24:43] Are you just quoting the trailer for In Time, starring Andrew Garfield?

[24:46] Not just in.

[24:47] Or Live in Time?

[24:48] What's the name of that movie?

[24:50] In Time?

[24:51] Is that what?

[24:52] Live in Time?

[24:52] The one with Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh.

Dan McCoy

[24:54] Oh, I don't know that one.

[24:56] The horse.

[24:56] Oh, that's the horse meme thing.

[24:59] No, I am unfamiliar with the trailer for that.

[25:03] No, obviously we are moving forward in time, but in life.

[25:06] But we are also moving forward in time in these movies.

Elliott Kalan

[25:10] Yeah, movies move forward in time, too.

[25:11] It's rare that a movie goes backwards in time.

[25:13] I mean, memento, kind of.

[25:14] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[25:15] Fair enough.

[25:17] 2008, the second X-Files movie was released.

[25:20] It was called The X-Files, colon, I Want to Believe.

[25:25] It was directed by series creator Chris Carter.

[25:27] It was a Monster of the Week-style tale of a kidnapped FBI agent and a psychic pedophile priest

[25:34] who wants to find this kidnapped agent.

[25:38] It was a dark, moody installment, and there was more after the credits.

[25:44] Can you tell me what it was?

Stuart Wellington

[25:49] First off, I didn't see this one.

[25:50] Did you guys see this one?

Dan McCoy

[25:51] I did.

[25:52] I was a big X-Files fan back in the day.

[25:56] It's fine.

[25:58] It is like, you know, it is, like I said, they were like, well, let's not lean further into the increasingly impenetrable mythology stuff.

[26:07] Let's just do a standalone movie.

[26:09] I like that part.

[26:11] Chris Carter, not the most accomplished of the people who worked on it directorially, I don't think.

[26:19] But it was okay.

Elliott Kalan

[26:22] I never saw it.

[26:23] I saw that first X-Files movie and I was like, this wasn't much of a, nothing really much happened in X-Files Fight the Future.

[26:29] So I said, one spitting, twice shy.

Dan McCoy

[26:31] I mean, they almost kissed and then a bee stung Scully.

[26:35] I don't remember that.

[26:36] That was the most exciting thing that happened in the whole movie.

Stuart Wellington

[26:39] I'm going to guess, you know, I know what happens in the post-credit scene.

[26:43] Spooky Fox Mulder meets an alien.

Dan McCoy

[26:46] No, in this moody, dark installment, the post-credit scene is Mulder and Scully floating on a rowboat near a tropical island.

[26:57] And as the camera goes above them, they wave up at it.

Elliott Kalan

[27:02] So it's really more an end scene for David Duchovny and Julian Anderson just to be like, hey, everybody, we're not doing this anymore.

Dan McCoy

[27:11] You liked it.

[27:13] See you for the very short reboot show.

[27:17] Okay.

[27:17] Well, we'll keep on television shows and creators directing movies of the TV shows.

[27:26] In 2014, Veronica Mars got a kick-started movie directed by the series creator Rob Thomas, where Veronica ditches her potential new life as a high-priced lawyer in the city and comes back to Neptune to save her ex, Logan Eccles, who is accused of murder.

[27:45] What is the post-credit scene in Veronica Mars?

Stuart Wellington

[27:49] I feel like it's Enrico Calatoni.

[28:03] I can't think of it while you're saying words.

Elliott Kalan

[28:06] It sounds like Stuart's brain has been caught in some kind of glitch loop where he can't get over the end of the name.

Stuart Wellington

[28:12] You know, he plays the principal on the FX hit show English Teacher.

[28:17] Oh, he does?

[28:17] He does, yeah.

[28:19] Also, one of the aliens in Galaxy Quest.

[28:22] He plays an alien in Galaxy Quest.

Elliott Kalan

[28:23] Yeah, he was on Just Shoot Me, played the photographer named Elliot, I believe.

Stuart Wellington

[28:26] I will never shoot you, Elliot.

[28:28] I love you.

Elliott Kalan

[28:29] Thanks.

[28:30] I appreciate that.

[28:30] I mean, it was a double meaning, both in the terms of like, ugh, get me out of here, but also like photography, because it was a fashion magazine.

Stuart Wellington

[28:38] Yeah, I don't get it.

[28:39] It's over my head.

[28:40] I'm more of a simple guy.

[28:42] I'm a blue-collar guy.

[28:43] So you're a Veronica's Closet guy.

[28:45] Yeah, I'm a Veronica's Closet guy.

Dan McCoy

[28:46] That was more than working class, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[28:49] Working class guy.

[28:50] Joe Schmo, you know, like me.

[28:52] I would say it's her dad, and he's like sitting down to a really big hoagie or something.

[29:01] He's like, finally, there's time to eat this hoagie.

Dan McCoy

[29:04] No, this is a comical post-credit scene.

[29:08] Yep.

[29:09] Oh, you're saying the hoagie one would not have been comical, would have been too serious or dramatic?

Stuart Wellington

[29:12] I think with an actor of his caliber, I think he could pull it off.

Dan McCoy

[29:15] Yeah, that's true.

[29:16] He could make that funny.

[29:17] But no, this is a callback to an earlier moment, a surprise cameo.

[29:22] So again, you don't want spoilers.

[29:25] Don't listen.

[29:25] But it's James Franco in his trailer, trying to think of words that rhyme.

Elliott Kalan

[29:30] He's like, after James Franco, everybody loves him.

[29:32] Yeah.

[29:33] What a pleasant surprise that would be.

Dan McCoy

[29:34] Not as beloved as he once was.

[29:38] But he was playing himself in Veronica Mars.

[29:40] You see him as himself in his trailer, trying to think of words that rhyme with orange.

[29:46] He's just listing out words, trying to rhyme them with orange.

Stuart Wellington

[29:49] Yeah, that's way funnier than my big sandwich bit.

[29:52] I was going to say, I'd rather see the big sandwich.

[29:54] Yeah.

[29:55] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[29:56] Okay, well, let's wrap it up and then we can all go get a big sandwich.

[30:00] Yeah, hell yeah.

[30:01] If we want to.

[30:02] This is the final one.

[30:04] It's from just last year.

[30:06] It's a film called Wonka, directed by Paul King.

[30:09] It's a tale about how Willy Wonka used to be Timothee Chalamet.

[30:13] But what happens in the credits?

[30:15] It's an interesting way to describe it.

Stuart Wellington

[30:16] The credits for Wonka.

[30:19] You remember.

[30:20] You see Wonka.

[30:21] I did see Wonka.

[30:22] And you know what?

[30:23] It worked better than I thought it would.

Elliott Kalan

[30:25] I saw it.

[30:26] I thought it was better than it was going to be.

[30:28] I personally have no memory of what happens in the credits scene.

Stuart Wellington

[30:30] I'm guessing like Hugh Grant and a bunch of other Oompa Loompas hang out or something.

Elliott Kalan

[30:36] It is a Hugh Grant-based post-credits scene.

[30:38] It's not.

[30:39] Because this part where he buys the factory, that's before the credits, right?

[30:43] Like that's not a post-credits thing, right?

[30:45] No.

[30:46] No.

[30:47] Hugh Grant, does he reveal he's actually like tall?

Dan McCoy

[30:51] Yeah, that'd be crazy.

[30:52] He's secretly tall the whole time.

[30:54] That's the twist.

[30:55] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[30:57] The whole movie he's been handing people binoculars the wrong way around.

[31:01] So when they look at him it looks like he's much smaller.

Stuart Wellington

[31:03] And he was saying that the process of making the Wonka movie was his favorite filming experience of all time, right?

[31:09] No, he was very grumpy about it, in fact.

Elliott Kalan

[31:11] I can understand.

[31:12] I think he did not.

[31:13] Was he ever on camera with another actor in that movie?

[31:17] Like, I imagine it was all green screen acting for him.

Dan McCoy

[31:20] Likely so.

[31:20] Like, he does not seem to be the sort of man who would enjoy that sort of thing.

Elliott Kalan

[31:25] But at least he had a good time making Paddington 2, probably, right?

Stuart Wellington

[31:28] Yeah.

[31:29] I mean, that bear is amazing.

[31:30] He did.

Elliott Kalan

[31:30] Well, he says that's his favorite one.

[31:33] Yeah, I mean, he's great.

Stuart Wellington

[31:34] Yeah, I know.

[31:35] He's fantastic.

Dan McCoy

[31:36] More than Mickey Blue Eyes?

[31:38] More than Mickey Blue Eyes.

[31:41] Well, I'll tell you.

[31:42] I'll tell you what happened in Wonka since you've forgotten.

[31:44] Hugh Grant, as the Oompa Loompa, tells us what happens to some of the characters.

[31:50] Larry Chucklesworth, whoever the fuck that was, gets back together with his wife.

[31:56] Abacus, of course, played by Mr. Carson from Downton Abbey.

[31:59] Returns to his family.

[32:02] And Scrubbit and Bleacher are arrested after a failed attempt to eliminate the evidence of their crime.

[32:07] So, that's what happened in Wonka.

[32:11] And with that, I think we can wrap up.

[32:15] We can go into our own credits.

[32:16] So, I was pretty close, right?

Elliott Kalan

[32:17] Yeah, I thought Stuart did really well.

[32:19] Is it time to look at his score and see how well he did?

[32:21] I think I did really good.

Dan McCoy

[32:23] Yeah, looking at the score, he got 800 out of 12.

[32:27] That's the thing.

[32:27] That's amazing.

[32:28] I'm not one of you like big city educated city boys.

Stuart Wellington

[32:35] I'm kind of like a blue collar regular guy.

[32:37] Yeah, you're from Indiana.

[32:38] Out of the sticks of Indiana.

Elliott Kalan

[32:40] And yet, you know all the stuff about movies.

Dan McCoy

[32:42] Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

[32:44] So, let's say.

Stuart Wellington

[32:46] So, did we.

[32:47] Did we.

[32:47] Is this.

[32:48] This is like a fact check, right?

[32:49] This is how many Pinocchios does the story that Stuart doesn't ever watch post-credit scenes.

[32:54] Yeah, you only get one Pinocchio for that one.

Elliott Kalan

[32:57] I mean, some of them you were clearly guessing at.

[32:59] I don't think this proves that you watch them.

[33:01] What?

[33:03] But you know what?

[33:04] We can no longer.

[33:04] This can no longer be part of the joke about Stuart.

[33:06] You know?

[33:07] Yeah.

[33:07] He's shown us that at the very least, he doesn't watch them because he can usually guess what's going to happen.

Stuart Wellington

[33:11] What's great is now I can turn it off even like halfway through the movie.

Dan McCoy

[33:15] We can wrap it up until the very next time that Stuart does this exact thing.

Stuart Wellington

[33:20] Just encouraging bad behavior, guys.

Dan McCoy

[33:23] Yeah.

[33:24] As I've been trying to say, let's get into our own credits and then call it a day for this many.

[33:30] We are a MaxFun podcast.

[33:33] If you go over to MaximumFun.org, you can see other podcasts on the Maximum Fun network.

[33:44] I think I may have said .com last episode.

[33:47] Ooh, I hope I get fired for that blunder.

[33:49] Don't worry, Dan.

[33:50] You will be.

Elliott Kalan

[33:51] And also—

[33:52] J.K., J.K., J.K., J.K.

[33:54] Dan's a co-owner.

[33:55] We can't fire him.

[33:56] We can just force him out.

[33:57] Right, Stu?

Stuart Wellington

[33:57] We could do that.

[33:58] We can just make his life less fun until he gets out.

[34:01] Oh, we've been doing that.

Dan McCoy

[34:03] This podcast is also produced by Alex Smith.

[34:07] He goes by the name Howell Doughty on the internet for making some rock music, for doing some Twitch streams, doing all sorts of stuff.

[34:18] You can look him up.

[34:20] But that's been our show for the Flophouse.

[34:23] I've been Dan McCoy.

Elliott Kalan

[34:25] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[34:26] I'm Elliot Kalin saying always stay through the credits and then a little bit longer until they kick you out of the theater.

[34:33] Bye.

[34:35] Bye.

FH Mini 114 - Credits Report

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