The Flop House: Episode Five - Saw III

Dan McCoy

[0:00] In this episode of The Flophouse, we discuss Saw III, a movie that delivers exactly what it promises.

[0:07] It is, in fact, the third Saw movie.

[0:10] And now, the special Halloween remix of The Flophouse theme.

Stuart Wellington

[0:16] When I was working in my laboratory, one night, there were a bunch of werewolves there, and they were totally jamming.

[0:23] And there were also mummies. The werewolf and mummies were friends.

[0:27] And there were two Draculas there.

[0:29] And an invisible man!

S2

[0:35] This is only funny to you, goddammit!

Dan McCoy

[0:40] Here is a partial synopsis of Saw III, courtesy of Wikipedia.

[0:45] In flashback scenes, Detective Eric Matthews, Donnie Wahlberg, escapes the bathroom he was left in in Saw II by breaking his foot.

[0:53] He gets into a vicious fight with Amanda Young, Shawnee Smith, who eventually overcomes him and leaves him for dead.

[1:00] Before she leaves, Matthews calls Amanda a junkie bitch and tells her she isn't Jigsaw, causing her evident distress.

[1:08] Other flashbacks show that Amanda had been working with John Kramer, the Jigsaw killer, Tobin Bell, prior to the events of the first film.

[1:16] In the present, Detective Carrie, Dina Mayer, is investigating the corpse of Jigsaw's latest victim, intrigued by the fact that his trap was inescapable in a break with Jigsaw's MO.

[1:28] When Carrie returns home, she is kidnapped and put in a trap of her own.

[1:32] When the given escape method fails and Amanda arrives, Carrie realizes this trap is also inescapable and is killed.

[1:39] Meanwhile, a dying Jigsaw orders the abduction of two final victims, Lynn Dimlin, a skilled but depressed doctor, and Jeff Reinhardt, a father obsessed with revenge against the drunk driver that killed his son.

[1:51] A collar holding several shotgun shells and hooked to Jigsaw's medical equipment is locked on Lynn, who is tasked with keeping John alive until Jeff's tests are completed under threat of death.

[2:03] If John, the Jigsaw, flatlines, the shells will go off and kill her.

[2:08] Jeff is led through an abandoned meat packing plant, where he is given the choice to rescue three of his top targets of revenge from a variety of timed traps.

[2:18] Does Jeff make it through?

[2:19] Does he survive the test?

[2:21] Does anyone survive?

[2:23] If previous episodes of this podcast are any indication, all will be spoiled for you before we're done.

[2:29] And now let's join the others in the flop house.

Stuart Wellington

[2:32] I was really drunk.

[2:33] I don't remember.

Dan McCoy

[2:35] All right, let's stop arguing over which podcast we were drunkest in and start the podcast.

[2:41] Sure, let's start it right now.

[2:43] Welcome to the flop house.

[2:44] I'm Dan McCoy.

[2:45] I'm Simon Fisher.

[2:46] And I'm Stuart Willington.

[2:47] But I have to go get a beer.

[2:49] Okay, well, I'm sure that Simon and I can keep up your side of the conversation.

[2:54] Sure.

[2:55] While you do that.

S2

[2:56] Hold on, I'm getting a text message.

Dan McCoy

[2:58] Sing!

[2:59] Sing!

[3:01] So, before we start the podcast tonight, I'd like to point out one thing.

[3:10] And that is there's going to be a shocking twist ending to this podcast.

S2

[3:13] It's a fucking shock even to me.

Stuart Wellington

[3:15] Interesting.

[3:16] So, wait for that.

[3:18] Okay, cool.

[3:18] It's going to be fun.

[3:19] Can they start speculating early on?

[3:21] They can start speculating.

Dan McCoy

[3:22] And I'm actually going to go get the timer, which I forgot to set for the podcast.

[3:27] So, now you two can take up.

S2

[3:29] Hey, while our viewers are speculating, Stu, what do you think the twist is going to be?

[3:35] I think it might have something to do...

[3:39] My prediction is that these podcasts are not actually being put up onto the internet at

[3:44] all.

[3:44] And Dan's just been recording them.

[3:47] Like, the mic was never even plugged in.

[3:49] That's going to be a twist ending.

[3:50] That's going to be an ironic twist ending.

Stuart Wellington

[3:52] For me, the twist ending will be that I find out that we're actually recording this for

[3:57] the internet.

[3:58] Because I thought this was just some vanity piece that he did.

[4:01] No, no.

S2

[4:01] Okay, see, we were totally on different pages then.

[4:04] Isn't that weird how that happens?

[4:05] It's like 20 minutes.

Stuart Wellington

[4:06] It's like a mirror darkly, man.

[4:08] Exactly, dude.

[4:09] We're like opposite days.

S2

[4:11] So, Dan.

[4:12] Dan's got a beer.

[4:13] Stu's got a beer.

[4:14] I got a beer.

[4:14] We're all ready to sit down and have a good talk about the movie we watched this evening,

[4:18] which was...

[4:19] Saw 3.

[4:20] That's right.

[4:20] Saw 3.

[4:21] You're smiling.

[4:22] I am?

[4:24] First of all, who among us here has seen Saw 1 and 2?

[4:29] I know I have.

Stuart Wellington

[4:30] Should I raise my hand or say that?

[4:31] No, say that you have.

[4:32] I've actually seen both movies here.

Dan McCoy

[4:34] I have as well, despite, I would say, not being a Saw fan.

[4:38] Sure, that's fair.

S2

[4:39] Why aren't you a Saw fan, Dan?

[4:40] I think we should...

[4:41] Well, let me go first.

[4:41] Here's the reason why I'm not a Saw fan.

[4:44] It's because they're not horror movies at all.

[4:46] Well, let me explain.

[4:47] There's nothing...

Dan McCoy

[4:47] Because when I got to the video store, they are filed under the horror section.

[4:51] That's true.

S2

[4:52] The problem is most video stores don't feel comfortable having a section called snuff films,

[4:57] which is why the Saw movies get slid over to the horror section.

[4:59] There has never been anything in any one of the three Saw movies that was scary.

[5:04] Because they're not horror movies.

[5:06] They're clearly not setting out to make you afraid.

[5:09] What they're doing is they're like, hey, you want to see a bunch of fucked up tortures for the next two hours?

Dan McCoy

[5:14] It's a buffet of unpleasantness.

S2

[5:16] Yes, what it is is like, it's almost as though someone was like, man, if I ever had made a horror movie,

[5:21] like, I'd have this cool death scene.

[5:23] And they're like, oh yeah, that's weird.

[5:24] I'd have this one.

[5:24] And they're like, hey, fuck that.

[5:26] Let's just put all these coolest death scenes in a movie.

[5:29] Wouldn't that be awesome?

[5:30] Like, no.

[5:30] It's called a snuff film.

Dan McCoy

[5:31] It does sort of suggest the question, like, are there people out there saying to themselves,

[5:35] I want something that's just going to make me feel really, like, unpleasant and uncomfortable and wince.

[5:42] I want to wince for two hours.

S2

[5:44] I'm really looking for an experience that, I don't know, is just kind of fucked up.

[5:47] You know?

[5:48] Like, I want to see something really fucked up.

Dan McCoy

[5:49] And I said this earlier.

[5:50] I want to make it clear.

[5:51] I am far from a moralist when it comes to movies.

[5:54] I love violence in movies.

[5:57] It's great.

[5:57] I love sex in movies.

[5:59] Right.

[6:00] Like, I think that those are two of the primary reasons people go to the movies.

[6:03] Yes, absolutely.

[6:04] In terms of, like, horror movies that have torture as an element, I thought Hostel was a good movie.

[6:10] Because I think that Hostel is sort of, like, in a lot of ways, like, sort of a black comedy.

[6:16] And it's also making a point about, like, Americans abroad.

S2

[6:19] Well, I mean, I think the point, though, is that Hostel's got a lot going for it.

[6:22] It isn't just a series of, like, man, that's fucked up, huh?

[6:27] How about that shit?

[6:28] So, yeah, I mean, going into this, I was, uh, I was, I was admittedly expecting a lot more of the same from this goddamn Saw movie.

[6:34] I was not fucking disappointed at all.

[6:37] Bunch of fucked up tortures and deaths that were all just sound theory signifying nothing.

Stuart Wellington

[6:41] You know, I'm going to agree with both of you.

[6:46] Whoa, huh?

[6:47] And say that I don't like Saw movies.

[6:49] Um, partly because they're not horror movies.

[6:52] Partly because, you know what?

[6:54] I think, um, Rube Goldberg shit is kind of boring.

[6:58] If I want to play an awesome game of Mousetrap, I'll crack out the box.

Dan McCoy

[7:02] Now, you are a admitted lover of Final Destination 2, however.

[7:08] That's true.

Stuart Wellington

[7:09] Shit.

[7:10] It doesn't get much more Rube Goldberg than that.

[7:12] Shit.

[7:13] Um, turn off the podcast!

[7:15] Stop recording!

[7:16] Oh, my God.

[7:17] Okay.

[7:18] Do I need, okay, now I'm going to defend Final Destination 2 for one.

[7:22] That movie is way stupider.

[7:24] Yeah, that's true.

[7:25] There's more explosions.

S2

[7:26] It clearly is a movie that does not take itself near as seriously as the creators of Saw demand that you take their movies.

Dan McCoy

[7:32] Well, right, because Saw seems to believe that it is imparting a moral lesson to the viewer.

[7:38] I think that's the worst part.

S2

[7:39] The worst part is you watch these fucking movies, and I'm 100% convinced that whoever is responsible for this filmmaking,

[7:45] I don't know, the director, the screenwriter, or whomever,

[7:47] someone is firmly convinced that, like,

[7:50] it feels like every time I watch the movie, I can see them behind my shoulder being like,

[7:52] huh, Saw's got a point, though.

[7:54] I mean, think about it.

[7:55] Saw's got a fucking point, man.

[7:56] Like, no, fuck that!

[7:57] What?

[7:58] How is this a fucking movie?

[7:59] How are you literally advocating, like,

[8:02] you know what?

[8:02] That guy was kind of a douchebag.

[8:04] Probably should have had, um, his fucking feet chopped off.

[8:07] I don't know.

[8:08] Whatever.

Stuart Wellington

[8:08] The thing is, is that, if that was actually the case,

[8:11] if you actually think that these guys spend that much time thinking about their fucking movie,

[8:15] that they would actually come up with some kind of, like, moral judgment,

[8:17] and they'd be like, you know what?

[8:18] Saw's got a point, like,

[8:20] he manly kind of deserves to have their feet chopped off.

[8:22] The thing is, is that that's not the case.

[8:24] What I think it is, is that,

[8:25] here's a bunch of fucking dickheads that saw, uh,

[8:27] saw the movie Seven, popular movie Seven,

[8:30] and they're like, you know what?

[8:31] Let's just do that a lot.

[8:34] That shit made a lot of money.

[8:36] I like making money.

S2

[8:37] Let's make a shitload of those.

Dan McCoy

[8:39] Right, but in Seven...

S2

[8:41] I like that.

[8:41] I like Stu's reading,

[8:42] because it's just as cynical,

[8:45] but for totally different reasons.

Dan McCoy

[8:47] But in Seven,

[8:48] they make it clear that this guy is crazy,

[8:51] that he's obsessed with the Seven Deadly Sins,

[8:54] and that makes him crazy.

[8:55] Sure, so, I mean,

S2

[8:56] I think that we could say, then,

[8:57] that what Stu's suggesting is that they are,

[9:00] not only, uh, I don't know,

[9:02] um, completely lacking any sense of originality,

[9:04] but they are also crappy at making movies.

Dan McCoy

[9:07] I mean, the difference is,

[9:08] Jigsaw sees people who, I guess,

[9:10] have some sort of ennui about their lives.

[9:13] They're like...

S2

[9:14] Well, in most cases,

[9:15] that's what it seems to come down to.

[9:16] In most cases, it's never like...

[9:18] Like, none of the people did, like, a bad thing.

[9:21] Like, it wasn't like,

[9:22] oh, yeah, that guy raped 10,000 grandmothers.

[9:26] He was a true monster.

[9:27] It's like, yeah, um...

[9:29] You're just fucking not appreciating

[9:31] what you've got very much,

[9:32] so check this shit out.

[9:34] I'm about to fucking put a shitload of bombs

[9:35] in your mouth.

[9:37] See if you can pull them all out in time.

[9:38] I just wired your jaw shut.

[9:40] Fucking have fun, dude.

[9:41] Here's a hammer.

[9:42] Like, this is a fucking movie!

[9:43] Right now, I hear it.

[9:44] Don't steal that.

[9:45] That's all right.

[9:45] You can't put that in Saw 5.

[9:47] Go to hell.

[9:48] It's called Hammer Mouth.

[9:49] No, it's called...

[9:50] Wait, it's called, um...

[9:51] Lots of bombs in your mouth.

[9:52] Let's...

[9:53] No, no, no, hold on.

[9:54] It's not called Saw.

[9:55] Let's call it

[9:56] The Jigsaw Murder.

[9:58] No, wait, no.

[9:58] That's already taken to it.

Dan McCoy

[10:00] Probably.

[10:01] Can I say, um...

[10:02] One thing that bothers me

[10:03] about the Saw movies

[10:04] is I do not find

[10:05] the Saw mask

[10:07] creepy in any way.

[10:08] Well, that's...

[10:08] You know what?

[10:09] That's a really good point.

[10:10] It looks like some...

[10:12] Perhaps an 8th grader

[10:13] made a pinata in art class

[10:15] and it was like,

[10:17] you know,

[10:17] what'll sort of beef up

[10:19] this poorly made, like, face?

[10:22] Put a little, like,

[10:23] spirals on the cheeks.

S2

[10:24] You know, let me tell you something.

[10:25] I think we could probably

[10:26] use that as a, uh...

[10:27] As, like, a touchstone

[10:28] for the entire

[10:29] Saw movie experience.

[10:30] Made by 8-year-olds.

[10:32] I think let's just...

[10:33] Because, again, like,

[10:34] I mean, I don't want

[10:34] me to harp on this,

[10:35] but the fact that this...

[10:36] For it being ostensibly

[10:38] a scary movie

[10:39] and it's just people dying

[10:41] is just such, like,

[10:42] this weird, like,

[10:42] childish idea

[10:43] of what's scary.

[10:44] Oh, man,

[10:45] seeing someone die, weird!

[10:47] Like, it's so stupid!

Dan McCoy

[10:48] Right, what...

[10:49] Like, what if you had

[10:50] to make a choice

[10:51] between putting your face

[10:53] in acid

[10:53] or having ants

[10:55] eat off your legs?

S2

[10:57] Like, that's what it said.

[10:58] Like, I said,

[10:58] it's like a bunch of fuckers

[10:59] sitting around...

[11:00] Like, it's a bunch of

[11:01] high school freshmen

[11:01] sitting around getting high

[11:03] in their parents' basement

[11:03] like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[11:05] Which would you rather do?

[11:07] Have all your fingernails

[11:08] pulled off by

[11:09] fucking skeletons

[11:10] or...

[11:12] Or...

[11:13] Or...

[11:16] That's a much cooler movie.

Stuart Wellington

[11:17] If there was, like,

[11:19] a movie about skeletons

[11:20] pulling people's fingernails

[11:21] off...

[11:21] That would scare me.

Dan McCoy

[11:23] But you're saying

[11:24] it's like,

[11:24] would you rather

[11:25] the movie?

[11:26] Right, yep.

Stuart Wellington

[11:28] Would you rather

[11:29] have sex

[11:30] with a bunch of monsters

[11:31] or get in a fist fight

S2

[11:33] with two aliens?

[11:35] Or, like,

[11:35] the classic one being

[11:37] that a friend of mine

[11:38] posited to me

[11:39] was,

[11:40] if your dad was dying

[11:41] of a terminal illness

[11:42] and the only way

[11:42] to cure him

[11:43] was to fuck him

[11:44] in the ass,

[11:44] would you do it?

Stuart Wellington

[11:47] That was given to you

[11:49] by your best friend

[11:50] of all,

[11:50] I imagine.

[11:51] Something that you

[11:51] rank really highly

[11:52] in, like,

S2

[11:53] in the world

[11:54] of people.

[11:55] Well, no,

[11:56] this person is very

[11:58] near and dear to me,

[11:59] but there was a period

[11:59] of time where the

[12:00] fucking

[12:00] would you rather game

[12:02] was getting a lot

[12:02] of fucking play time.

[12:04] And that one

[12:04] was the one that,

[12:05] like,

[12:05] oh, dude,

[12:06] I don't want to play

[12:06] this retarded game.

[12:07] It's in your mind.

Stuart Wellington

[12:08] Like, it is.

[12:09] It's weird.

[12:09] It'll be burned in there.

[12:11] First of all,

[12:11] I think you would have

[12:12] difficulty maintaining

[12:13] an erection.

[12:14] Partially with the fact

[12:15] that you're probably

[12:16] in a hospital.

[12:17] Sure.

[12:18] If you're trying

[12:19] to deal with the fact

Dan McCoy

[12:19] that you're trying

[12:20] to have sex

[12:21] with your father's aunts.

[12:21] If your father was dying,

[12:23] you would maintain

[12:23] that erection.

[12:24] Yeah, you would find

[12:24] that somewhere,

S2

[12:26] like,

[12:26] somewhere deep in your heart.

[12:27] The fucking shits

[12:28] would give you that erection.

[12:30] The erection you

[12:30] so good as we needed

[12:31] to save your father.

Dan McCoy

[12:33] We're getting off topic.

[12:34] I would like to say,

[12:35] I mean,

[12:35] in addition to

[12:36] the whole torture problem,

[12:38] the non-scariness

[12:39] of torture,

[12:40] and I, you know,

[12:40] don't get me wrong,

[12:42] if I was getting

[12:42] tortured in real life,

[12:43] pretty fucking scary.

[12:45] Sure.

[12:45] But, uh,

[12:46] as a third party.

S2

[12:47] Well, again,

[12:48] like, I mean,

[12:49] I don't,

[12:49] I just,

[12:50] I just want to throw

[12:50] this out there

[12:51] because I don't want

[12:51] to get bogged down

[12:52] in this weird

[12:52] psychological conversation

[12:53] that I don't think

[12:54] any of us are equipped

[12:54] to actually follow

[12:55] through with.

[12:56] But I don't know,

[12:57] like,

[12:57] if it's,

[12:58] like,

[12:58] that mechanism

[12:59] in your brain

[12:59] to get scared

[13:00] watching a good,

[13:01] scary movie

[13:02] is probably not

[13:03] the same,

[13:04] I would imagine,

[13:05] reaction that's happening

[13:05] as you're anticipating,

[13:07] I don't know,

[13:08] getting tortured.

[13:09] I think it's

[13:09] a different thing.

[13:10] I think that's

[13:11] the point

[13:11] that these fucking

[13:12] soft fuckers

[13:13] seem to miss.

[13:14] There are things

[13:14] that are scary

[13:15] and there are things

[13:16] that I would really

[13:17] very sincerely

[13:18] rather not happen to me.

Stuart Wellington

[13:19] The thing about

[13:20] the Saw franchise

[13:21] is that so much of it

[13:22] is rather than

[13:24] any kind of fear,

[13:25] it's that, like,

[13:26] almost excited anticipation

[13:27] as to see

[13:28] what kind of cool

[13:29] torture they're

[13:30] going to introduce.

[13:31] Like,

[13:31] oh man,

[13:32] he just entered

[13:32] another room.

[13:33] Oh shit,

[13:34] the door just slammed

[13:34] behind him.

[13:35] What awesome new

[13:36] trap did he enter into?

[13:38] Oh no,

[13:39] a bunch of hammers

[13:40] are going to smash

[13:40] his face.

[13:42] Now, let's,

[13:42] let's,

[13:43] let's talk about

[13:44] those, uh,

[13:44] hammer suspended

[13:45] above the door

Dan McCoy

[13:46] and like a,

[13:46] like a bucket?

[13:47] No.

[13:48] That would be

[13:49] the worst trap

[13:50] ever, Dan.

[13:50] You are not hired

S2

[13:52] to work on my

[13:52] fucking movie.

[13:54] I came up with

[13:54] that cool skeleton idea.

[13:56] This is,

Dan McCoy

[13:56] this is if Saw

[13:57] was less a mastermind

[13:59] than a prankster.

[14:00] Sure,

S2

[14:00] like a crazy prankster.

[14:02] Yeah.

[14:02] Let's talk about

[14:03] what a fucking

[14:03] mastermind Saw is

[14:05] because he's a

[14:05] fucking super mastermind.

Dan McCoy

[14:07] Mm-hmm,

[14:07] okay.

[14:08] The end twist

[14:09] of this movie,

[14:10] twist as,

[14:11] uh,

[14:11] it's a loose

[14:12] interpretation of the

[14:13] word,

[14:13] but to make this

[14:14] work,

[14:15] Saw has to be able

[14:16] to anticipate

[14:17] exactly what

[14:18] every human

[14:19] in the film

[14:20] is going to do

[14:21] in each scenario.

Stuart Wellington

[14:23] And he always

[14:23] does it perfectly.

[14:24] And that's what

[14:25] I admire about him

[14:25] because he's a genius.

S2

[14:26] I mean,

[14:27] he's a genius.

Stuart Wellington

[14:27] That's the thing.

[14:28] He's three for three

[14:29] at this point.

S2

[14:29] Yeah,

[14:30] he's,

[14:30] oh God,

[14:31] he's so fucking good.

[14:32] And he's so good

[14:33] at fucking designing

[14:33] these goddamn traps.

[14:35] And I don't,

[14:35] and I don't get

[14:36] where he gets

[14:37] the money

[14:38] for the traps.

Dan McCoy

[14:39] Or the Saw Consortium.

Stuart Wellington

[14:41] Yeah,

[14:41] well that's the thing.

[14:42] Like,

[14:42] I think,

[14:42] what I think is interesting

[14:43] is first your confusion

[14:45] is how Saw must have

[14:47] gone to some kind

[14:48] of like school

[14:49] where he learned

[14:49] all about how

[14:50] people react

[14:51] to certain

[14:52] environmental situations.

[14:52] Human behavioral studies.

[14:53] But Simon is more

[14:54] interested in the

[14:55] actual physical,

[14:56] like,

[14:57] the trap aspect,

[14:58] like financing,

[15:00] how he creates

[15:01] this death-like

[15:02] warehouse.

[15:03] Right.

[15:03] And see what that does

S2

[15:04] is you've just,

[15:04] you've just cast a light

[15:05] on the multifaceted

[15:07] nature of Saw's genius.

[15:09] Well,

[15:09] I think Simon,

[15:10] it operates on so many

[15:10] fucking levels.

Dan McCoy

[15:11] I think Simon wants

[15:12] like a Saw movie

[15:13] that's kind of like

[15:14] Batman Begins

[15:15] where there's a scene

[15:16] where like,

[15:17] Michael Caine is like,

[15:18] so,

[15:19] so,

[15:20] what we're gonna do

[15:21] is we're going to order

[15:23] all of the bat traps

[15:24] through,

S2

[15:26] okay,

[15:27] first of all,

[15:27] I'm sorry,

[15:28] I'm gonna interrupt you.

[15:28] That is an incredible

[15:29] Michael Caine impression.

[15:30] I'm tremendously impressed by it.

[15:31] Did you practice that?

[15:32] A little bit.

[15:33] It's fucking really good.

[15:34] It's a really good

[15:34] Michael Caine impression.

[15:36] Here's the thing,

[15:36] I think we would,

[15:37] I think of course,

[15:38] like I could,

[15:39] I don't,

[15:39] the problem is the movie

[15:40] at this point,

[15:41] they have to make that move.

[15:42] Like they have to explain it.

[15:44] It's,

[15:45] it's the same problem

[15:45] like we were talking about

[15:46] when we were watching

[15:47] the goddamn thing.

[15:48] If they had just,

[15:49] in the first one,

[15:49] or maybe it was more

[15:50] the second one

[15:51] where they revealed like,

[15:52] oh,

[15:52] he's like a guy

[15:53] who has like

[15:54] tumor brain cancer.

[15:55] That was the first one.

[15:57] If they had just

[15:57] kept their fucking mouths shut

[15:58] and was like,

[15:59] yeah,

[15:59] you know what,

[16:00] he's just a mysterious shadow

[16:01] we figure that fucks people up.

[16:02] He's a real weird dick.

[16:04] Instead,

[16:05] they fucking had to do

[16:06] that goddamn thing

[16:07] where it's like,

[16:07] well,

[16:09] we owe the viewers

[16:09] some explanation.

[16:11] Like,

[16:11] no,

[16:11] you don't.

[16:12] Because everyone went into it,

[16:13] like,

[16:13] I guarantee you,

[16:14] people don't go see

[16:15] slasher movies

[16:15] to be like,

[16:16] wait a minute,

[16:17] they didn't explain very well

[16:19] why the killer kills people.

[16:21] It doesn't fucking matter.

[16:22] That's not why you see

[16:23] those fucking movies.

Dan McCoy

[16:24] And speaking of which,

[16:25] I have never seen

[16:27] a killer

[16:28] talk more in a movie

[16:30] than Jigsaw

[16:31] talks in this film.

[16:33] Everything Jigsaw

[16:35] says in this movie

[16:36] is like

[16:36] the final

[16:38] supervillain

[16:39] explanation

[16:40] in a Bond movie.

[16:42] Every monologue

[16:43] out of his mouth.

[16:45] Daniel,

Stuart Wellington

[16:45] you didn't realize this

[16:47] when I started the movie.

[16:48] I'm going to talk

[16:49] for the next 15 minutes.

[16:51] Then you will see

[16:51] a quick snippet

[16:52] of someone dying,

[16:53] followed by 20 more

[16:54] minutes of conversation.

[16:56] What you didn't understand

Dan McCoy

[16:57] is I had this planned out

[16:59] from the beginning.

[17:00] See,

[17:00] it all started

[17:01] on October the 21st

[17:02] when I took pictures

[17:04] of you

[17:04] and your little son

[17:06] living the playground.

[17:08] And then

[17:08] I decided

[17:09] to kill him.

Stuart Wellington

[17:11] So we have a lot

[17:13] of problems

[17:13] with the Saw franchise

[17:14] in general.

[17:15] Sure.

[17:15] What I would like

[17:16] to point out

[17:16] is problems

[17:17] exclusively to

[17:19] Saw 3.

[17:20] Sure.

[17:21] That's what we

[17:21] just immediately

[17:22] watched.

Dan McCoy

[17:22] Well,

[17:23] alright.

[17:23] This is the movie

[17:25] where Lady Saw

[17:26] comes into her own.

[17:28] We don't know

[17:28] the character's name.

[17:30] I think

[17:30] I'm pretty sure

[17:31] you should just call

[17:31] Lady Saw.

[17:32] Amanda.

[17:32] I like Lady Saw.

[17:34] Let's call her Lady Saw.

[17:35] Saw-eyed Lady Saw.

[17:35] Played by

[17:36] Shawnee Smith.

S2

[17:37] Those good movies

[17:38] will reveal Baby Saw.

[17:39] Stay tuned for that.

Dan McCoy

[17:40] Who was in the

[17:41] remake of The Blob

[17:42] and had a small part

[17:43] in The Stand

[17:44] miniseries.

[17:44] You may remember her.

S2

[17:45] She was the guy

[17:46] that Nick

[17:47] Brown-Below

[17:48] is the deaf guy

[17:49] that needed him

[17:49] in town.

[17:50] The crazy woman.

Dan McCoy

[17:52] Kind of pretty.

[17:53] Kind of pretty

[17:53] for a female serial killer.

[17:55] Lady Saw.

[17:56] Lady Saw.

[17:58] I mean,

[17:58] it's hard to talk

[17:59] about this movie alone

[18:00] because we were

[18:01] saying this movie

[18:02] appears to be

[18:03] convinced that

[18:03] all of the audience

[18:04] is like a huge

[18:05] Saw fan

[18:06] that has studied

[18:07] Saw lore.

[18:09] because so much

[18:10] of this movie

[18:10] is a flashback

[18:12] to the earlier films

[18:13] to show us

[18:14] that Lady Saw

[18:15] was actually there

[18:15] the whole time.

[18:16] Even in the first movie

[18:17] before she was

[18:18] really introduced

[18:19] as a character

[18:20] other than

[18:20] one of his victims.

[18:22] Like,

Dan McCoy

[18:22] hey,

[18:23] guess what?

[18:24] She was the dude

[18:25] that kidnapped

[18:25] that one guy.

[18:26] Weird, huh?

[18:27] She put Carrie Elwes

[18:28] in that room.

S2

[18:30] Yeah,

[18:30] all these movies

[18:31] first of all

[18:32] seem to take place

[18:32] no more than

[18:33] within a week

[18:34] of each other.

[18:35] And it's all like

[18:36] at this point

[18:38] by the third one

[18:38] it seems like

[18:39] they are retrofitting

[18:40] a trilogy in.

[18:41] Yeah,

[18:42] but really

[18:42] this is how

[18:43] that thing

[18:43] that happened

[18:44] in the first one

[18:44] plays out now.

[18:45] And the problem

[18:46] is I don't care.

[18:47] No one remembers

[18:48] what happened

[18:48] in the first fucking Saw.

[18:50] What they remember

[18:50] is that Carrie Elwes

[18:51] at the end

[18:52] was fucking

[18:52] hamming it up

[18:53] and he sawed

[18:54] off his own leg.

[18:55] And then the guy

[18:55] was in the room

[18:57] That's all

[18:57] fucking anyone remembers.

[18:58] Because it was

[18:59] not a memorable movie.

Dan McCoy

[19:02] Well,

[19:02] they made three of them.

[19:03] Yeah,

S2

[19:03] I know.

[19:04] They keep making money.

[19:05] However,

[19:05] let's also point out

[19:06] that Lionsgate

[19:07] will apparently

[19:07] distribute

[19:08] any goddamn thing.

Dan McCoy

[19:09] That's true.

S2

[19:10] They have a shotgun

[19:11] style of marketing

[19:12] where it's like

[19:13] as many movies

[19:13] as possible

[19:14] we just threw them

[19:14] out there

[19:15] one little stick

[19:15] to the wall.

Dan McCoy

[19:16] I would like

[19:16] to point out

[19:16] though with what

[19:17] you said

[19:17] about the trilogy.

[19:19] The funny thing

[19:19] is Saw 2

[19:21] was actually

[19:22] a movie that

[19:23] was rushed

[19:23] into production

[19:24] when Saw

[19:25] was popular

[19:26] and they just

[19:26] took a script

[19:27] that was sort

[19:28] of similar to Saw

[19:29] and they turned

[19:30] it into a Saw film.

[19:31] That's an awesome

[19:31] piece of trivia.

[19:32] It's like

[19:33] Die Hard 3 and 4

[19:35] both started out

[19:36] as non-Die Hard

[19:38] scripts

[19:38] and they're just like

[19:39] we need another

[19:40] Die Hard

[19:40] let's just take

[19:41] this thing

[19:42] off the pile.

Dan McCoy

[19:42] I got this thing

S2

[19:43] kicking around

[19:43] the script pile.

[19:45] And so

Dan McCoy

[19:45] it's weird now

[19:46] that they've

[19:47] decided to

[19:48] sign John Klingel.

[19:50] They've got to

[19:50] link all the movies

[19:51] so tightly together.

S2

[19:52] I guess I just

[19:54] don't understand

[19:54] why it's necessary.

[19:55] Why they feel

[19:56] that that's like

[19:56] we gotta

[19:59] justify our existence

[20:00] a little bit here.

[20:02] What's the bigger story?

[20:04] What's going on

[20:05] with Lady Saw?

[20:07] What's her motivations?

Dan McCoy

[20:09] Friday the 13th

[20:10] managed to squeeze out

[20:12] tens of movies

[20:14] basically just

[20:15] replaying the same

[20:16] scenario.

[20:17] Right.

S2

[20:17] And you know what?

[20:17] They're all fucking

[20:18] really fun to watch.

[20:19] Number 7 is really good.

[20:21] Yeah.

[20:21] The 7th one is a really

[20:22] good one because

[20:22] it's got a lot of

[20:23] interesting new things

[20:24] in it.

[20:24] Like the

[20:24] telekinetic girl.

[20:27] Yeah.

[20:27] It's got its fucking

[20:27] psyche girl

[20:28] which was a really

[20:29] cool twist.

Stuart Wellington

[20:30] That was really awesome.

[20:31] Jason looked really

[20:31] cool in that one too.

[20:32] He looked his most

S2

[20:33] rotten.

[20:33] Okay.

[20:34] Let's not talk about

[20:35] how awesome Friday the 13th

[20:36] is as a franchise

[20:37] because I even like

[20:38] Jason X.

Dan McCoy

[20:39] How slowly it took us

[20:40] to get into the actual

[20:41] Saw and how often

[20:42] we digress into

[20:44] other movies

[20:44] indicates just how

[20:45] much we enjoy the film.

S2

[20:47] Well it's a stupid movie

[20:49] and it's watchable.

[20:53] Like it isn't stupid.

[20:54] It's just such a dumb thing.

[20:56] It's like imagine

[20:57] if someone was like

[20:58] hey want to see me

[20:59] do a handstand

[21:00] and then also hop up

[21:01] and down on my hands

[21:02] at the same time?

[21:03] And like yeah I guess.

[21:05] And they do it

[21:05] really really well

[21:06] but ultimately

[21:08] you don't really care

[21:09] because it's not that

[21:09] cool of a thing.

[21:10] You're like

[21:10] no that's alright I guess.

[21:11] Like I don't really care though.

[21:13] Like no no wait though

[21:14] I'm going to do it again.

[21:15] This time I'll have a box

[21:16] on the bottom of my feet.

[21:17] Like no I didn't

[21:18] that's fine dude.

[21:19] I kind of got the point

[21:19] the first time.

[21:20] I'm like no no no wait though.

[21:21] What if I told you

[21:22] that this person over here

[21:23] taught me that skill

[21:24] and here they are

[21:25] to do it with me.

[21:26] I don't care.

[21:26] I really don't care at all.

Dan McCoy

[21:29] That's the best analogy

[21:30] I've ever heard.

Stuart Wellington

[21:33] Okay my problems

[21:34] with Saw 3

[21:34] are as follows.

[21:37] For one

[21:37] it was really boring.

[21:39] There was a lot of

[21:40] dead time

[21:40] during the weird

[21:42] brain surgery part.

[21:43] Really boring.

Dan McCoy

[21:44] There was like a

[21:44] 15 minute brain surgery

[21:46] that felt like

[21:47] it occurred in real time.

[21:48] They were showing

[21:49] each step of the brain surgery

[21:51] as if it was a training video.

Stuart Wellington

[21:52] A lot of it

[21:53] was shots of

[21:54] Saw's face

[21:56] and he was kind of like

[21:57] he was giving this

[21:57] kind of weird

[21:58] like James Spader

[21:59] from Sex, Lies,

[22:00] and Videotaped

[22:00] Sexy Face face

[22:01] that I really didn't

[22:02] know how to read.

[22:03] Now after that

[22:04] there was also

[22:06] like a dude

[22:07] who played

[22:07] Robert the Bruce

[22:08] in Braveheart

[22:09] like trying to save

[22:10] like trying to get

[22:10] revenge on his

[22:11] like son's killer.

[22:12] The problem with that

[22:13] was that like

[22:14] it was such like

[22:14] weirdly tacked on

[22:15] the whole point

[22:16] of the story

[22:16] was more like

[22:17] the bad guy

[22:19] and his like

[22:20] protege

[22:21] which like

[22:22] this is a fucking

[22:22] horror movie dude.

[22:24] What the fuck?

[22:25] Like this isn't like

[22:26] hey I need to really

[22:27] understand what's going on

[22:28] in Jigsaw's life.

[22:29] Like I don't give a shit

[22:30] because that's not scary.

[22:32] Or interesting.

[22:33] Or interesting for instance.

[22:35] Like where do they go

[22:36] to buy groceries?

[22:37] Let's investigate that.

[22:39] Like how are things

[22:40] going between Saw

[22:40] and Lady Saw?

S2

[22:41] Like I wonder if

[22:42] they're having any problems.

[22:43] Oh they are shit.

[22:45] That's scary.

[22:46] Thank Christ there's this

[22:47] really cool backdrop story

[22:48] involving Robert the Bruce.

Dan McCoy

[22:50] Yeah and also

[22:51] at the end

[22:51] it all turns out

[22:52] that it was a test

[22:53] that Jigsaw

[22:55] was putting on Lady Saw.

S2

[22:56] And that's how we found out

[22:57] they were having problems.

[22:59] Because we felt

[22:59] they needed to test it.

Dan McCoy

[23:00] Man that's

[23:01] that's a relationship

[23:02] in trouble.

[23:03] Yeah I mean

[23:03] she should have seen it coming.

[23:04] When a man

[23:05] comes up with an elaborate

[23:06] series of murder

[23:07] related tests

[23:08] for his girlfriend.

S2

[23:11] Sure this is not

[23:11] the kind of guy

[23:12] you want to be a part of.

[23:13] You're making bad decisions

[23:15] There are many other

[23:16] fish in the sea.

[23:17] Nice guys.

[23:18] Good good guys.

[23:19] Good non-serial killers.

[23:20] Sure they probably

[23:21] would murder anybody

Stuart Wellington

[23:22] with a weird

[23:23] elaborate bear trap.

[23:24] Probably would never come up.

[23:25] You know

[23:26] there was that one part

[23:27] in the movie

[23:27] where that lady

[23:28] is naked first of all.

[23:30] First of all

[23:30] first nude scene

[23:32] in a Saw movie

[23:32] was in Saw 3.

S2

[23:34] Yeah and then she got

[23:35] sprayed with a bunch

Stuart Wellington

[23:36] of water

[23:38] and then she froze

[23:38] to death

[23:39] and that was

[23:39] really weird

[23:40] and not

S2

[23:41] not scary

[23:43] at all.

Stuart Wellington

[23:45] In a horror movie?

[23:47] Was it erotic

[23:48] Stuart?

[23:48] It was.

[23:49] I actually had to

[23:50] sneak away for

[23:51] well this was

[23:52] the unrated version.

[23:53] It was unrated.

S2

[23:54] It was pretty erotic.

[23:55] Icy Face died

[23:56] and then there was

[23:57] a guy who was

[23:58] going to get drowned

[23:59] and ground up

[24:00] decomposing pigs.

[24:02] Then he got

[24:03] shotgunned.

[24:03] Yeah but that guy

[24:04] got saved

[24:05] and then there was

[24:06] you know what

[24:07] I don't even want

[24:07] to talk about

[24:08] all this shit that

[24:08] had this movie.

[24:09] All I want to talk

[24:10] about is the fact

[24:11] that this guy

[24:12] has spent the last

[24:13] however many years

[24:14] of his life

[24:14] consumed with the

[24:16] fact that he

[24:16] must claim some

[24:18] kind of justice

[24:19] for the death

[24:19] of his son.

[24:20] He must have it.

[24:21] There is no

[24:22] sense in living

[24:23] in this world.

[24:24] It's a big

[24:24] idiot machine.

[24:25] There's no

[24:26] it's all horror.

[24:27] There can be

[24:27] there must be

[24:28] reason in his life.

[24:30] There must be

[24:30] some recompense.

[24:31] So Saw

[24:32] sets up this thing

[24:33] where it's like

[24:33] here's your chance

[24:33] to get that revenge

[24:34] blah blah blah blah blah.

[24:35] And at each step

[24:36] of the way

[24:38] reveals you know

[24:38] what not that

[24:39] bad of a guy.

[24:40] He tries to save

[24:41] him each time

[24:42] sometimes succeeding

[24:43] other times not

[24:44] but he can let it

[24:45] go.

[24:45] The last 10 seconds

[24:47] of the fucking movie

[24:48] it's all this big

[24:49] elaborate scheme

[24:50] where Saw's like

[24:51] here's your chance

[24:52] to kill me

[24:54] and then he

[24:54] fucking does it.

[24:56] Like this just

[24:56] happened dude

[24:57] 12 minutes ago

[24:58] and nothing really

[24:59] that bad happened

[24:59] to you.

[25:01] Oh god.

[25:02] I don't understand

[25:03] this is my character's

[25:03] motivation at all.

Dan McCoy

[25:04] Speaking of this

[25:05] just happening

[25:06] 12 minutes ago

[25:07] I think it bears

[25:09] mentioning that

[25:09] at the end

[25:10] while Lady Saw

[25:12] is lying dying

[25:14] Saw explains

[25:16] his scheme

[25:17] in great detail

[25:18] to her

[25:19] and the flashbacks

[25:20] go right up

[25:21] to things that

[25:22] occurred one minute

[25:23] earlier in the movie.

[25:25] I got so weird.

[25:26] Remember when that

[25:27] happened a minute ago?

[25:28] Now there's a bit

[25:29] of a different twist

[25:30] in there isn't there?

[25:31] But not especially

S2

[25:32] in a new light.

[25:34] Like what you see

[25:35] is the fucking

[25:35] synapses

[25:36] and my brain

[25:36] started firing at me

[25:37] and it's like

[25:38] okay it was a big

[25:39] test at the end

[25:39] like no I remember

[25:41] 20 seconds ago

[25:43] when she shot

[25:43] that lady.

[25:44] Why is this a flashback?

Stuart Wellington

[25:46] So yeah I'm gonna be

[25:47] I'm Robert the Bruce

[25:48] okay I just got through

[25:49] this crazy death trap

[25:50] where three dudes

[25:51] accidentally got killed

[25:52] who I kind of

[25:53] wanted to die

[25:54] but I tried to save

[25:55] but they still died.

[25:56] Now you're no worse

[25:56] for the wear at this point.

[25:57] Yeah I'm no worse

[25:58] for the wear.

[25:58] I like I end up

[26:00] having like I get a gun

[26:01] with one bullet in it

[26:02] you know I'm going

[26:03] through this weird ass

[26:03] warehouse

[26:04] all of a sudden

[26:05] I see somebody

[26:06] get shot it turns out

[26:07] it's my wife

[26:08] and I'm like oh my god

[26:09] I didn't want that

[26:09] to happen.

[26:10] So I shoot the person

[26:11] who shot my wife

[26:12] and I'm standing

[26:13] in this weird like

[26:14] emergency room

[26:14] and my wife's dying

[26:15] she's got this weird

[26:16] ass collar with a

[26:17] shitload of shotgun

[26:17] shells strapped to it

[26:18] I'm like man

[26:19] that's weird.

[26:20] And then I see this

[26:21] dude talking a lot

[26:22] who's lying in bed

[26:23] with a bunch of like

[26:24] he looks really sick

[26:25] and all of a sudden

[26:26] who I've literally

[26:28] never seen before

[26:28] and for absolutely

[26:30] no reason would I

[26:31] think he would have

[26:32] any effect on me

[26:33] because to tell you

[26:34] he looks like a total

[26:35] invalid.

[26:36] Right.

[26:36] He's literally

[26:37] completely an invalid

[26:38] Yeah.

[26:38] So why would I want

[26:40] to chop him up

[26:41] with a giant like

S2

[26:42] fucking...

[26:42] He then says to you

[26:43] there's only...

[26:44] I can get your wife

[26:46] to save her.

[26:46] There's a chance

[26:47] that she can still

[26:48] be saved

[26:48] because she's

[26:48] bleeding to death

[26:49] right now.

[26:49] There's a chance

[26:50] that she can be

[26:50] saved.

[26:51] I can save her.

[26:52] The only thing

[26:52] I need for you to do

[26:53] is just let it all

[26:55] go.

[26:55] Let go this final piece.

Stuart Wellington

[26:56] Wait Simon.

[26:57] You're not saying

[26:58] it in the creepy enough

[26:59] voice.

S2

[26:59] There's only one more

[27:01] thing you have to do

[27:02] and that's forgive me

[27:04] or you can torture me

[27:06] with these torture

[27:06] implements

[27:07] and you know what?

[27:08] He just fucking

[27:09] kills him

[27:09] and it's fucking

[27:10] really weird.

[27:11] It's a really fucking

Stuart Wellington

[27:12] weird thing to do.

[27:13] I think you sound

[27:13] a lot like Ted Levine

[27:14] from TV's Monk.

Dan McCoy

[27:16] Yeah.

[27:17] Well Ted Levine

[27:18] specifically in like

[27:19] Joy Riding.

[27:20] Candy cany.

[27:22] I thought we were

[27:23] like...

[27:24] You're a fucking

Stuart Wellington

[27:25] sweet ass little

[27:26] candy cany.

[27:27] Yeah.

[27:27] You fuck me.

[27:28] I'd fuck me.

[27:29] I'd fuck me real good.

S2

[27:31] So that's what he

[27:32] sounded like.

[27:32] Sure.

[27:32] I was more like

[27:33] that guy.

[27:33] My saw.

[27:34] My impression of saw

[27:36] not as good as

[27:37] Dan's Michael Caine.

[27:37] I think I might

[27:38] prefer...

Dan McCoy

[27:39] Now listen.

[27:42] He's doing it again.

[27:44] Awesome.

[27:44] Now listen.

[27:45] All you have to do

[27:46] is get rid of

[27:48] your anger towards

[27:48] me.

[27:49] If you do that

[27:50] I can get your

[27:51] wife to safety.

[27:52] There'll be plenty

[27:53] of time.

[27:54] Everything will be

[27:54] okay.

[27:55] Just leave me

[27:56] alone.

[27:57] Forgive yourself

[27:58] and him and

[27:59] it'll be fine.

[28:00] That's Michael

[28:01] Caine's song.

S2

[28:02] And I had my hands

[28:03] over my eyes

[28:04] and I fucking

[28:04] thought Michael

[28:05] Caine was in the

[28:05] room with me.

[28:06] It was fucking

[28:06] uncanny.

Dan McCoy

[28:07] I would have

[28:08] liked Michael

[28:08] Caine's song.

[28:09] I would like

[28:09] Ted Levine's song.

S2

[28:10] Hey how great

[28:11] would it have been

[28:11] if Michael Caine

[28:12] had been in that movie?

[28:13] That's a fucking

Dan McCoy

[28:13] watchable guy.

[28:14] The thing is that

Stuart Wellington

[28:15] I think you're

[28:17] being unfair to

[28:18] Tobin Bell.

[28:19] The actor who

[28:20] plays the song.

[28:20] First of all

[28:20] Tobin Bell

S2

[28:21] This is Tobin

[28:23] Bell's gravy train.

[28:24] This is his

[28:26] softball pitch

[28:27] like we're

[28:28] going to need

[28:28] you to act

[28:29] ish.

[28:31] Wait are you

[28:33] saying he's

[28:33] normally like

[28:34] that?

[28:34] No what I'm

[28:35] saying is you're

[28:36] going to need

[28:36] to show up.

[28:37] Your actual

[28:37] screen time is

[28:38] going to if you

[28:39] condense it come

[28:40] down to about a

[28:40] half an hour.

Dan McCoy

[28:41] What you're going

[28:41] to do is you're

[28:42] going to need to

[28:43] look creepy.

[28:44] Which I think you

[28:45] have covered.

[28:46] No insult to you

[28:47] Tobin.

S2

[28:47] Somehow you

[28:48] have this thing

[28:48] with your eyes

[28:49] where both eyelids

[28:50] are closed in the

[28:51] middle but you're

[28:52] looking around and

[28:53] moving somehow.

Dan McCoy

[28:54] So just look

[28:55] creepy or just do

[28:57] your Tobin thing.

[28:58] Yeah that thing

S2

[28:58] right there you're

[28:59] doing right there

[28:59] where you're

[28:59] looking at me.

[29:00] And lie in this

Dan McCoy

[29:01] bed and that's

[29:03] pretty much all we

[29:04] need.

S2

[29:04] What I'm saying

[29:05] is that it was

[29:05] probably not his

[29:06] most demanding

Dan McCoy

[29:07] project.

[29:07] You also have to

[29:08] record a bunch of

[29:08] things on these

[29:09] little mini cassette

[29:10] tapes.

S2

[29:10] You can do that

[29:11] from home though.

[29:11] Literally just

[29:12] send us in the

[29:13] tapes.

[29:14] We can use those

[29:14] as the props

[29:15] themselves.

Stuart Wellington

[29:15] Because the actual

[29:16] sound effects

[29:17] they use in

[29:18] the movie were

[29:19] the actual

[29:19] fucking tapes

[29:21] they played.

[29:22] It wasn't

[29:22] fucking ADR

[29:23] work or anything.

[29:25] That's how they

[29:25] got that amazing

[29:26] sound quality

[29:27] because they're

[29:27] from home

[29:29] fucking tape

[29:29] recorders.

[29:31] Because those

[29:31] fucking motherfuckers

[29:32] man, you got a

[29:33] real good sound

[29:34] out of those.

[29:35] Exactly dude.

[29:36] I don't see why

[29:36] more popular

[29:37] recording.

[29:40] You should just

S2

[29:41] fucking stock up

[29:42] a studio,

[29:42] whatever music

[29:43] studio you're

[29:44] with a bunch

[29:44] of those little

[29:44] fuckers.

[29:45] Because man,

[29:46] you get a

[29:46] fucking crisp

[29:46] sound.

[29:47] man, like a

[29:48] crisp, sharp

[29:49] sound.

Dan McCoy

[29:49] Alright, it's

[29:50] time to render

[29:51] our final

[29:52] judgments.

[29:55] Shit bodes

[29:56] ill for

[29:56] Saw 3.

[29:58] And I have to

[29:58] remind you

[30:00] and our

[30:00] listeners of the

[30:01] official Flophouse

[30:02] categories, is

[30:03] this a movie you

[30:04] would not

[30:04] recommend to

[30:05] anyone?

[30:06] A movie that

[30:07] you may

[30:08] recommend as

[30:09] a good bad

[30:10] movie, a

[30:11] funny movie,

[30:12] or a movie

[30:12] that you

[30:13] secretly kind

[30:14] of like?

[30:15] sure.

S2

[30:15] I'm going to

[30:16] create for

[30:17] my verdict

[30:17] a special

[30:18] subcategory

[30:19] of the

[30:19] second one.

[30:20] First of all,

[30:21] this movie's

[30:21] horrible, and

[30:22] I wouldn't

[30:22] recommend it

[30:22] to anyone.

[30:23] However, there

[30:24] is a huge

[30:25] population of

[30:26] people out

[30:26] there who

[30:27] are douchebags

[30:28] that love

[30:28] Saw.

[30:29] They should

[30:29] fucking see it,

[30:30] because you

[30:30] know what?

[30:30] It's a

[30:31] fucking totally

[30:31] a Saw movie.

[30:32] They're going to

[30:32] go nuts for that.

[30:33] Yeah, they're

[30:33] going to

Dan McCoy

[30:33] fucking eat

[30:34] this shit

[30:34] up, so you

S2

[30:35] guys should

[30:35] totally check

[30:36] it out.

Dan McCoy

[30:37] Alright, fair

[30:37] enough.

[30:39] I can confidently

[30:41] say that Simon's

[30:42] right.

[30:43] If people like

[30:43] Saw movies, they

[30:44] will like this

[30:45] Saw movie, as

[30:46] it is a Saw

[30:47] movie.

Stuart Wellington

[30:47] I don't remember

[30:48] your verdicts

[30:49] that you just

[30:51] said.

[30:51] Just make up

[30:51] your own.

[30:51] I did.

[30:52] You know, for

[30:52] the first time

[30:53] in a while, I

[30:54] actually, I mean,

[30:55] I had some fun

[30:56] watching this movie.

[30:57] I mean, I think

[30:57] it's retarded, but

[30:58] I had fun saying,

[31:00] like, that's retarded.

[31:01] I was also really

[31:02] drunk, so that

[31:03] might affect what

[31:05] I thought.

[31:06] So what you're

[31:07] saying, though, is

[31:07] that you might

[31:08] recommend it.

[31:09] I might recommend

[31:09] it to watch and

[31:10] be like, this is

[31:11] retarded.

[31:12] To have a good

[31:12] laugh.

[31:13] Sure.

Dan McCoy

[31:13] Yeah.

[31:14] Well, I'm going

[31:15] to say that this

[31:16] is by far my

[31:17] least favorite

[31:17] movie we've

[31:18] watched.

[31:18] I would probably

[31:19] agree.

[31:19] Well, no, I

S2

[31:20] didn't.

[31:21] No, that's not

[31:22] it.

[31:22] The Sound of

[31:23] Thunder was the

[31:23] worst.

[31:23] Yeah, that movie

[31:24] was way fucking

[31:25] shitty.

Dan McCoy

[31:25] It was worse, but

[31:26] I enjoyed watching

[31:27] it more.

[31:28] Yeah, I did.

[31:28] This movie, I

[31:29] just found

[31:29] unpleasant.

S2

[31:30] Sound of Thunder

[31:31] was tiresome.

Dan McCoy

[31:32] And the thing

[31:33] is, I've noticed

[31:34] a trend, like

[31:35] Simon usually

[31:36] get angriest at

[31:37] the movies, and

[31:39] Stuart is sort of

[31:40] philosophical, whereas

[31:42] I'm more analytical.

[31:43] Sure, those are

[31:44] different styles.

[31:45] I have a lot of

[31:46] fucking spice in

[31:47] me.

[31:47] But this movie

[31:48] just made me

[31:49] angry.

S2

[31:50] Well, see, this

[31:50] is, see, now you

[31:52] understand?

[31:52] Holy shit, so we're

[31:53] changing roles.

[31:54] No, no.

[31:55] Because I fucking, it

[31:56] makes me mad, too.

[31:57] I don't analyze it.

[31:57] I fucking hate this

[31:58] goddamn movie.

[31:59] I'm just filled

[31:59] with fucking poison

[32:00] and vinegar for it.

[32:01] And see, now you

[32:03] fucking know, now you

[32:04] can see what it's

[32:06] like to be me, where

[32:07] you can't enjoy

[32:08] things, and you're

[32:09] just filled with

[32:09] hatred for

[32:10] everything.

[32:10] Sure.

[32:11] Like venom, like

[32:12] snake venom.

[32:13] Just all kind of

[32:14] like black shit and

[32:15] centipedes.

[32:16] It's all I'm filled

[32:16] with.

[32:18] Sounds delicious.

Stuart Wellington

[32:19] It is.

[32:19] It sounds like

[32:20] something that would

[32:20] make a great intro

[32:21] to a Saw movie.

S2

[32:24] Wait a minute,

[32:25] wait a minute.

[32:25] Yeah, that actually

[32:26] would make a much

[32:27] better intro than

[32:28] any of the other

[32:28] Saw.

[32:29] You know, like

Stuart Wellington

[32:29] a shitload of

[32:30] black stuff and

[32:30] centipedes?

S2

[32:31] Like if a dude

[32:32] walked out and was

[32:32] like, didn't you

[32:33] know?

[32:34] Saw's already

[32:35] dead.

[32:35] And he cuts open

[32:36] his chest and a

[32:36] shitload of

[32:37] centipedes jump

[32:37] out.

[32:38] That would be

[32:38] fucking really

[32:39] cool.

[32:39] And the dude

Stuart Wellington

[32:39] who came out

[32:40] would be wearing

[32:40] like a pig face

[32:41] mask.

[32:42] Like that.

[32:42] Yeah, I guess.

[32:44] I don't.

[32:44] I think that pig face

S2

[32:46] mask that they wear

[32:47] is fucking retarded,

[32:48] by the way.

[32:49] That was a stupid

[32:50] idiot's idea.

[32:51] That's for stupid

[32:51] heads from

[32:52] stupid town.

Dan McCoy

[32:53] Let's put stupid

[32:54] town far behind

[32:55] us.

[32:56] As stupid town

[32:57] recedes in our

[32:58] rear view mirror.

[32:59] Good segue, by

[33:00] the way.

[33:01] Good segue.

[33:02] Let's talk about

[33:03] things that we like

[33:04] over in Like Town.

S2

[33:06] I fucking love

[33:07] Like Town!

Dan McCoy

[33:09] Hey, Stu, what

[33:10] do you like?

[33:10] Again, it is

[33:12] October.

[33:13] Maybe an

[33:14] overlooked horror

[33:15] film recommendation

[33:16] of some kind.

[33:17] Stewie, what do

Stuart Wellington

[33:18] you got?

[33:18] I have a really

[33:19] bad memory right

[33:20] now.

[33:21] What did the

[33:21] fucking movie

[33:22] just watch?

[33:22] Yeah, I was

[33:24] going to recommend

[33:24] that.

[33:25] I watched

[33:25] Black Sheep

[33:26] last night,

[33:27] and now it

[33:27] wasn't a great

[33:28] movie or really

[33:28] that good of a

[33:29] movie in the

[33:30] long run,

[33:31] but it had

[33:31] really good gore

[33:33] effects.

[33:34] It had some

[33:35] really good shots

[33:35] of the beautiful

[33:36] New Zealand

[33:37] countryside,

[33:38] and at the end

[33:39] of the day,

[33:40] it was a movie

[33:40] about sheep.

[33:41] This is sunny

[33:42] New Zealand.

[33:43] Nice.

[33:43] That's pretty

[33:44] good.

[33:45] I can do

[33:45] this too

[33:45] sometimes.

[33:46] It's a funny

[33:46] accent day here

[33:47] in the blog.

[33:48] It was about,

[33:49] wait, which

[33:50] one am I

[33:51] going to do?

[33:51] I don't

[33:51] know, just

S2

[33:51] come up

[33:51] on, say the

[33:52] rest of your

[33:52] thing.

[33:52] It was about

Stuart Wellington

[33:54] sheep who

[33:57] kill humans.

[33:58] It was terrible.

[34:00] It's awesome.

Dan McCoy

[34:02] Dan, what do you

[34:02] like?

[34:03] What's your

S2

[34:03] favorite attraction

[34:04] in Lake Town?

Dan McCoy

[34:05] this isn't that

[34:07] overlooked, but it

[34:08] is overlooked

[34:08] compared to a

[34:10] lot of other

[34:10] zombie movies.

[34:11] I would say

[34:12] people, if

[34:13] they're looking

[34:14] for a good

[34:14] zombie movie,

[34:15] maybe they

[34:15] haven't seen

[34:16] Return of the

[34:17] Living Dead.

[34:18] Yeah.

[34:18] Now, like,

[34:20] Living Dead

[34:20] came to be

[34:21] because John

[34:22] Russo, the

[34:23] guy who

[34:23] co-wrote

[34:24] Night of the

[34:25] Living Dead

[34:25] with George

[34:25] Romero, he

[34:26] owned half of

[34:27] the rights to

[34:28] the whole

[34:29] concept.

[34:29] So he wrote

[34:32] his own novel

[34:33] follow-up to

[34:36] Living Dead, and

[34:37] then that novel

[34:38] was turned into

[34:39] a movie that

[34:40] basically had

[34:40] nothing to do

[34:41] with that novel,

[34:41] but Dan O'Bannon,

[34:43] who wrote the

[34:44] screenplays for

[34:45] Alien and Total

[34:46] Recall, directed

S2

[34:48] There's that

[34:49] awesome part in

[34:50] Living Dead, where

[34:51] that punk

[34:52] couple was in

[34:52] the graveyard, and

[34:53] the one gets

[34:54] like, you think

[34:54] this is a

[34:54] costume?

[34:55] This is a way

[34:56] of life!

Dan McCoy

[34:57] And then she

[34:58] takes her

[34:58] clothes on.

[34:59] Yeah, she

[34:59] gets completely

[35:00] naked.

[35:00] That was

S2

[35:00] fucking awesome.

Dan McCoy

[35:01] I think she

[35:02] was wearing a

[35:03] merkin, though.

[35:04] I still

[35:05] masturbated.

S2

[35:08] Imagining the

[35:08] hot-ass merkin

[35:09] she was wearing.

[35:10] Well, I

[35:10] assumed it

[35:11] wasn't a

[35:12] merkin.

Dan McCoy

[35:13] You didn't

[35:13] know any

[35:14] better.

[35:14] I think that

[35:15] you said it

[35:15] best, Stuart,

[35:16] when you

[35:16] defined it as

[35:17] sort of a

[35:17] punk rock

[35:17] remake of

[35:19] Yeah.

[35:20] It's a

[35:21] punk comedy

[35:23] zombie film.

[35:24] I love it.

S2

[35:25] For my

[35:25] recommendation, I'm

[35:26] going to keep

[35:26] in the same

[35:27] vein, which

[35:27] is it's very

[35:28] timely because

[35:29] a friend of

[35:30] mine and I

[35:31] had sort of

[35:31] revisited an

[35:32] argument we've

[35:32] had for

[35:33] literally years

[35:34] and years

[35:34] and years.

[35:35] I, a little

[35:36] bit of backstory

[35:37] about me, I

[35:38] think the

[35:38] original Night of

[35:39] the Living Dead

[35:39] is retarded

[35:41] and stupid.

[35:42] Boo!

[35:42] But, let's

[35:43] see, and Dan is

[35:44] not the friend

[35:45] actually, it's a

[35:45] different friend

[35:46] that I'm thinking

[35:46] of, however, I'm

[35:46] going to take

[35:47] care of Dan

[35:47] after this.

[35:48] the fucking

[35:49] theatrical remake

[35:50] that came out

[35:50] in the mid-90s

[35:51] of the Night of

[35:52] the Living Dead

[35:52] remake, directed

[35:54] by Tom Savini,

[35:55] is a fucking

[35:55] delight.

[35:56] It is a

[35:56] delightful zombie.

Dan McCoy

[35:57] Now, here's

[35:58] what I'll say

[35:58] about that.

S2

[35:59] No, you're not

[36:00] allowed to

[36:00] fucking jump in.

[36:01] This will be a

[36:02] whole new

[36:02] goddamn

Dan McCoy

[36:02] conversation.

[36:03] Can I just

[36:04] say that I do

[36:06] not agree that

[36:07] it is a better

[36:09] movie.

[36:10] I love the

[36:11] original Night of

[36:12] the Living Dead.

[36:12] However, I do

[36:13] think that the

[36:14] Tom Savini remake

[36:15] is underrated.

[36:17] Okay.

[36:18] It caught a lot

[36:19] of flack because

[36:20] it was remaking

[36:22] a seminal zombie.

[36:24] Sure, it's a

S2

[36:24] movie that was

[36:25] unjustly canonized

[36:27] by people.

[36:27] So people

[36:28] attack like,

[36:29] oh, how dare

[36:29] you?

[36:30] Why would you

[36:30] remake this?

[36:31] No, I was

[36:32] not saying

[36:32] that.

[36:32] Well, I think

[36:34] Dan, what you're

[36:34] saying is that

[36:35] it's not a very

[36:36] good movie.

[36:36] You don't care

[36:37] for it.

Dan McCoy

[36:38] Well, remember

[36:38] that Simon also

[36:40] hates Halloween.

[36:41] I do.

[36:42] We're not

[36:42] talking about

[36:42] Halloween.

[36:43] Next thing

[36:43] you're going to

Stuart Wellington

[36:44] fucking start

[36:44] fucking defending

[36:45] Dario Argento

[36:46] movies and

[36:46] don't look now

[36:47] and I will

[36:47] beat you to

[36:48] death.

[36:48] You know

[36:49] for a fact

[36:50] that I do not

[36:51] like Dario Argento

[36:52] movies.

[36:52] Very, very, very

[36:53] bad.

[36:54] I don't want to

[36:54] talk about it.

[36:55] It's making me

[36:55] upset, Simon.

[36:56] Let's move on.

[36:56] Okay.

S2

[36:57] All right, well.

[36:58] I was promised

[36:59] a twist ending

[37:00] if I'm not

[37:00] mistaken.

[37:01] Yeah, yeah.

[37:01] We're still

[37:01] moving, dude.

Dan McCoy

[37:02] I was going to

[37:03] come to that

[37:03] twist ending.

[37:04] Well, the

[37:04] twist ending

[37:05] is this,

[37:06] friends.

[37:07] We're all

[37:08] werewolves.

S2

[37:09] Wait a minute.

[37:10] I'm a fucking

[37:11] werewolf, really?

Dan McCoy

[37:12] You didn't see

[37:12] that coming,

[37:13] didn't you?

[37:13] I fucking

S2

[37:14] totally did.

[37:14] When do I

[37:15] transform?

[37:15] Well, I've been

[37:16] eating all these

[37:17] silver bullets then.

[37:19] So he's just

[37:19] going to die.

[37:20] Quick, call a

[37:21] werewolf doctor.

[37:22] Eating silver bullets

Dan McCoy

[37:23] is perfectly fine.

[37:24] Really?

[37:24] However, if someone

[37:26] had thrown a silver

[37:27] bullet, you would

[37:27] say, it was

[37:28] trying to get

[37:29] it into your

[37:29] mouth with a

[37:30] piece of popcorn

[37:31] and it hit you

[37:32] in the chest.

[37:33] In a vital area.

[37:34] You would have

[37:34] killed it.

[37:34] You would have

Stuart Wellington

[37:35] died.

[37:36] So I don't need

[37:36] to go to the

[37:37] werewolf doctor.

S2

[37:37] No.

[37:38] Good.

[37:38] Close one.

[37:39] That was a

[37:40] fucking close

[37:40] call.

[37:41] Wait, wait,

Stuart Wellington

[37:41] Dan, did you

[37:42] turn us into

[37:42] werewolves or

[37:43] have we just

[37:43] always been

[37:44] werewolves

[37:44] and never

[37:44] no?

[37:45] No, we've

[37:45] been werewolves

S2

[37:46] Oh, God.

[37:47] I fucking

[37:47] love twist

[37:48] endings.

[37:49] Oh, they're

[37:50] so much fun.

Stuart Wellington

[37:54] Like, earlier

[37:55] on in the

[37:55] night when I

[37:56] was like, man,

[37:57] wouldn't it be

[37:57] weird if I was

[37:58] a werewolf?

S2

[38:00] Right, I'm

[38:00] remembering that

[38:01] time that I

[38:01] turned to a

[38:02] werewolf and

[38:02] killed that

[38:03] fucking kid.

[38:03] You're like,

[38:04] holy shit, it's

[38:04] all falling into

[38:05] place.

[38:06] Just like it

[38:06] saw.

[38:07] But what you

[38:07] don't realize

Dan McCoy

[38:08] is right now

[38:09] there are

[38:09] podcast listeners

[38:10] across America

[38:11] who are tearing

[38:12] their earbuds

[38:13] out of their

[38:14] ears in horror.

[38:15] Because they

S2

[38:15] can't believe

[38:16] they were

[38:17] werewolves

Dan McCoy

[38:18] They're totally

[38:19] spooked out by

[38:20] the fact that

[38:20] they've been

[38:21] listening to

[38:21] three werewolves

[38:22] talk about

[38:22] them.

S2

[38:23] Those guys

[38:24] are werewolves,

[38:25] werewolves,

[38:25] werewolves.

[38:26] Your father was

[38:26] killed by a

[38:27] werewolf,

[38:28] werewolf.

[38:28] These guys

[38:29] are werewolves,

[38:30] werewolves.

[38:30] Like, ah,

[38:31] God, the

Stuart Wellington

[38:32] nightmare.

[38:32] Goes up on

[38:33] the eyes.

[38:34] Dun, dun,

[38:35] dun, dun,

[38:35] dun.

[38:36] Zoom in on

[38:37] the anti-werewolf

[38:38] literature in his

[38:39] werewolves.

S2

[38:41] And then he

[38:41] pulls back and

[38:42] there's like one

[38:42] of those swirling

[38:43] spirals behind

[38:44] his head and

[38:45] he's gripping

[38:45] his head in

[38:46] madness,

Stuart Wellington

[38:47] madness.

[38:49] Then he swirls

[38:49] into the middle

[38:50] of the swirl,

[38:51] a swirl looking

[38:52] very similar to

[38:53] the cheeks of

[38:53] the Doll and

[38:54] the Saw

[38:54] movies.

[38:56] We're full

[38:57] circle.

[38:59] Good times.

S2

[39:00] Hey, should we

[39:01] talk about that

[39:01] fucking really

[39:02] nice thing you

[39:03] showed me?

[39:04] That thing for

[39:04] that guy.

[39:05] What the hell

[39:06] are you talking

[39:06] about?

[39:07] on the internet?

[39:07] Thanks.

[39:08] He's talking about

[39:08] that good compliment

Dan McCoy

[39:09] you received from

[39:11] our fan.

[39:12] We want to shout

[39:13] out to our one

[39:14] fan.

[39:14] Yeah, what's the

S2

[39:15] cat's name?

[39:15] What was his

Dan McCoy

[39:16] handle?

[39:16] Aaron?

[39:17] A-Aaron?

[39:18] That's pretty cool.

S2

[39:19] Well, we're probably

[39:20] getting your name

[39:21] wrong, for which I

[39:22] apologize.

[39:22] But you know what?

[39:23] Thanks, bro.

[39:24] I appreciate it.

[39:24] I hope everything's

[39:25] going great in

[39:25] Canada.

[39:26] Yeah.

[39:26] I hope that no

[39:27] werewolves attack

[39:28] you up in Canada.

Dan McCoy

[39:29] Why don't you send

[39:30] us some Canadian

[39:32] money?

[39:32] Because as I

[39:33] understand it, that's

[39:34] where the future

[39:35] lies.

S2

[39:35] Yes.

[39:36] Your currency is

[39:37] valued at substantially

[39:37] higher than our

[39:38] own.

[39:39] So, fucking enjoy

[39:40] that.

[39:40] Enjoy your

[39:40] increased buying

[39:41] power.

Stuart Wellington

[39:42] Speaking of the

[39:43] future, very soon

[39:44] there's going to be

[39:45] a little movie,

[39:46] well, movie released

[39:48] in theaters called

[39:49] Saw 4.

[39:51] So, the thing is

[39:54] that any complaints

[39:55] that I have, probably

[39:56] once the fourth

[39:58] film's released, that

[39:59] movie will probably

[40:00] clear up any confusion

[40:01] that we've had, and

[40:02] when looking back at

[40:03] the trilogy, we'll be

[40:04] like, oh, that's why

[40:05] they were just shitty

[40:06] and full of torture

[40:07] and bullshit.

S2

[40:08] You know what, Stu?

[40:09] Thanks for bringing

[40:10] it home.

[40:10] You know what?

[40:11] So often, I think

[40:12] that what these

[40:14] little experiments

[40:14] of arts have lacked

[40:15] is just like a

[40:16] wise figure, a voice

[40:18] of wisdom.

[40:19] Because you know

[40:19] what?

[40:19] I'm sure the

[40:20] fourth saw, it

[40:21] probably will be

[40:21] like, oh, man.

[40:23] So, I really

[40:24] harshly misjudged

[40:25] those other ones.

Stuart Wellington

[40:26] You know, I kind

[40:26] of view myself as

[40:27] like one of those

[40:28] voice of wisdom, like

[40:29] Obi-Wan Kenobi

[40:29] type characters.

[40:30] Sure, like an

S2

[40:30] Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're

[40:31] like a really

[40:31] respected, like

[40:33] grandfatherly figure.

Stuart Wellington

[40:34] Thanks, Doctor

[40:35] and Doctor Math

[40:35] Magician.

[40:37] I fucked that

[40:37] joke.

[40:38] Burn!

[40:38] Edit that out.

[40:39] No, don't edit it.

Dan McCoy

[40:40] Leave it in.

[40:40] It was a good burn.

[40:41] So, next time, I

[40:42] believe we will be

[40:43] watching, if I'm not

[40:44] wrong, Perfect

[40:45] Stranger?

[40:46] Yeah.

[40:47] Well, do we want to

[40:48] watch another horror movie

[40:48] or do we want to watch

[40:49] Perfect Stranger?

[40:49] That's not.

Stuart Wellington

[40:49] First of all, Perfect

[40:50] Stranger is a horror movie.

[40:52] I got it out of the horror

[40:53] section.

[40:53] So, Perfect Stranger next

[40:55] week.

Dan McCoy

[40:55] I just want to mention

[40:56] that you can visit us on

[40:56] the web by going to

[40:58] theflophousepodcast.blogspot.com

[41:03] or send us an email at

[41:05] theflophousepodcast

[41:07] at gmail.com

[41:09] and if we get a good

[41:10] message, we may respond

[41:11] during the podcast.

[41:13] Also, if you go to the

[41:15] website and you have a

[41:16] little time, click on the

[41:17] link on the side and

[41:18] vote for us at

[41:19] Podcast Alley.

[41:20] Let other people know

[41:22] that you like the show

[41:23] or click on the link and

[41:24] write a review in

[41:25] iTunes.

[41:27] Talk about how much

[41:28] we suck.

[41:28] Or recommend a movie

[41:29] for us to watch in

[41:30] future flops.

[41:32] That would be good.

[41:33] So, we had a lot of

[41:35] laughs, but I think it's

[41:35] about that time.

[41:37] The flophouse is

[41:38] receding in our cars.

[41:40] We're going to look

[41:41] together.

[41:42] It's getting smaller and

[41:43] smaller.

[41:43] We're going to look

[41:43] at the mirror.

[41:44] And so, as we wave

[41:45] goodbye, I would like to

[41:46] say...

S2

[41:47] Goodbye, Dirt Town.

[41:49] Goodbye, Like Town.

[41:50] Goodbye, Podcast.

[41:51] That my name is Dan

Stuart Wellington

[41:54] McCoy.

[41:55] My name is Simon

[41:55] Fisher.

[41:56] And I'm Stuart

[41:57] Wellington.

[41:58] Good night.

[41:59] Good night.

[41:59] Dude, by the way, I'm

[42:01] the one who sounds like

[42:01] Humpty.

[42:03] It's not Simon.

[42:04] Simon sounds like a

[42:05] loud asshole.

[42:06] Yeah.

[42:07] Sounds like a loud

[42:08] asshole.

Dan McCoy

[42:10] I'd like to point out

[42:11] that you can visit the

[42:12] show online at

[42:13] www...

[42:15] Wait, hold on.

S2

[42:16] Yeah, it's okay.

[42:17] Just type in...

[42:17] Just go to your

[42:17] computer.

[42:18] I'm just going to...

[42:18] Just go to your

[42:19] computer and type in

[42:21] And...

[42:21] This is all

[42:22] going to get...

[42:22] And then the fucking...

[42:23] No, no, because that

[42:24] was a good joke about

[42:25] Leave that in.

Dan McCoy

[42:26] Um...

[42:27] You're really committed

[42:29] to like...

[42:30] Like naming which

[42:31] jokes are good at the

Stuart Wellington

[42:32] time.

[42:32] I know, because I feel

[42:33] really good about

[42:33] them sometimes.

[42:35] Right.

[42:36] Okay, so you go onto

[42:37] the webernet, and what

[42:38] would you have to push,

[42:39] Dan?

[42:39] You'd put in

[42:40] HTTP...

S2

[42:42] HTTP...

[42:45] ...common...

[42:46] ...slash slash

[42:46] www dot...

Dan McCoy

[42:48] No, there's no

[42:48] www. That was what

[42:49] fucked me up the first time.

[42:50] Oh, shit.

[42:52] Blogspot dot...

[42:53] Hold on.

[42:53] Back...

[42:54] It's blogspot dot

S4

[42:55] blogspot.

[42:56] No one talked for a

[42:58] little bit.

[42:58] Alright.

The Flop House: Episode Five - Saw III

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