FH Mini 120 - Coming Attractions in 2025

Elliott Kalan

[0:00] Hi, Floppers. Before we start this episode, I just wanted to remind you we are in the middle of FlopTV Season 2.

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[0:22] We're covering movies we've never covered before. We've got video segments. It's amazing.

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Dan McCoy

[0:37] Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:40] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:42] I'm Elliot Kalin, and I'm a robot for some reason.

Stuart Wellington

[0:46] Oh, that's cool. Well, you know, we're trying out something different here.

[0:49] Normally, we have Elliot as a human, but this time we have a robot Elliot because he doesn't need money.

Elliott Kalan

[0:56] The AI Elliot is a thousand times more efficient than Flesh Elliot.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03] But don't look at his hands.

[1:05] But he does, of course.

[1:06] Don't look at my six-fingered hands.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07] And, of course, I cannot come up with original ideas, but can only repackage things that have been said by Elliot before in the past.

[1:15] R-O-C-K in the USA, beep-boop.

Dan McCoy

[1:18] And also, of course, it takes one full rainforest for one minute of robot Elliot.

[1:25] But I think it's worth it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:25] But you weren't using that rainforest to begin with?

[1:30] Hey, this is-

[1:31] Guys, I'm just kidding. It's me.

Dan McCoy

[1:32] Oh, thank God.

[1:33] Oh, bummer.

[1:35] Wow.

[1:35] Different reactions.

Elliott Kalan

[1:36] Yeah, what a rainbow of responses.

[1:38] Sure.

Dan McCoy

[1:40] Of course, the Flophouse is often a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[1:45] It's always a podcast.

[1:46] Oh, never mind.

[1:47] Yeah.

[1:47] But then, every other week, we do these improperly named mini-episodes.

[1:55] They're often very long.

[1:57] And we do something different.

[1:59] And in this case, I am leading the charge.

[2:02] This episode comes after Stuart's mini that, when we're recording this, just got released,

[2:09] where he looked back on the films of 2024 in sort of a game form.

[2:15] And of course, as this will be coming out in the new year, I will be looking forward, in my many,

[2:23] about the movies that are scheduled to be released in 2025.

[2:27] Okay.

[2:28] Elliot's going to crush this one.

[2:29] Unlike last time, where Elliot struggled a little bit.

[2:32] Oh, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[2:32] If I didn't get to the movies much this year, I'm certainly very aware of what's coming out next year.

Dan McCoy

[2:37] This is less of a game and more of a bit of a discussion.

[2:41] Oh.

Stuart Wellington

[2:42] Is it just a discussion of the billboards in L.A. that talk about movies that are coming out?

[2:46] That's the only way I know.

[2:47] Because L.A. would do pretty good.

Elliott Kalan

[2:48] Guys, I did see some trailers a couple days ago when I had to take my children to the movie Mufasa,

[2:55] a movie that neither of them really liked very much.

[2:58] But we saw some trailers for some other movies.

[3:01] So, I know a couple other movies that are coming out.

[3:03] Did you know, guys, there is not a cartoon in existence, which is not being live-actioned right now,

[3:08] and released for you?

Dan McCoy

[3:10] Well, some of those may come up.

[3:11] Okay.

[3:12] Let's view this.

Elliott Kalan

[3:14] And yet, no Black Cauldron live-action movie.

[3:17] What's going on, Disney?

Stuart Wellington

[3:18] Yeah.

[3:19] So, consider my breath baited, Dan.

[3:22] I mean, that would actually be pretty good.

Dan McCoy

[3:26] I mean, that's the one they should do, Black Cauldron live-action.

[3:28] Yeah.

[3:29] Do it right.

[3:29] Sure.

Stuart Wellington

[3:30] Not Lilo and Stitch.

[3:31] Black Cauldron live-action.

Dan McCoy

[3:32] Like the blindfolds of Peerden series, maybe.

Stuart Wellington

[3:34] Or like a live-action, not even live-action.

[3:37] Do a full-length, hand-drawn Don Bluth Dragon Slayer movie.

Dan McCoy

[3:41] Do it.

[3:41] Sure.

[3:41] Yeah.

[3:42] Just do it.

[3:43] I don't know why that triggered my Siri.

Stuart Wellington

[3:46] My Siri on my phone.

Dan McCoy

[3:47] When I said do it, it just started.

[3:50] I can't make a live-action movie.

[3:52] Yeah, Dan, what have you been doing with your Siri?

[3:53] Nothing.

[3:58] Okay.

[3:59] So, this is broken down by month.

[4:01] And for each month, I've assembled a pair of movies.

[4:04] And I'm just going to be asking you which one you might be more excited to see.

Elliott Kalan

[4:09] You're like a cinemalier with your movie pairings.

Dan McCoy

[4:13] So, in January, here are a couple of movies that are coming out.

[4:18] And maybe you can tell me which one you're more excited to see.

[4:20] We've got Presence, directed by Steven Soderbergh.

[4:24] A family discover they are not alone when they move into a new house.

[4:28] Soderbergh's doing a horror film.

[4:28] Not with a T, with a C.

[4:30] A horror film.

[4:31] Oh.

Elliott Kalan

[4:32] He's never really done a horror movie before.

[4:35] He's done thrillers.

[4:36] Yeah.

[4:36] Right?

[4:36] He did side effects, right?

[4:38] But he's never done a horror movie.

[4:39] Huh.

[4:40] Yeah.

[4:40] I'd say I was excited about it, but I also have not really gone out of my way to see

[4:44] the last four or five Soderbergh movies.

[4:46] They're all on Netflix, I think.

[4:48] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[4:48] I mean, they're good.

Elliott Kalan

[4:50] I've heard they're good.

Dan McCoy

[4:52] I mean, they're good.

[4:54] He has gone smaller, but that's kind of, you know, I think the industry, like not making

[4:59] his sort of movies is like, well, I'll go where I have the control.

[5:03] Yeah.

[5:04] But, uh, so either that or of course, Screamboat, which is of course an edgy slasher reimagining

[5:12] of Steamboat Willie.

[5:13] Uh, whoa.

[5:15] Finally.

[5:15] Okay.

[5:16] Finally.

[5:16] So this is, uh,

[5:17] so we can do this.

[5:18] Yeah, this is a public domain.

[5:19] This is Winnie the Pooh's a monster.

Elliott Kalan

[5:20] Did you hear the thing about so soon Popeye is going to be in the public domain, the original

[5:24] Popeye?

[5:25] Yeah.

[5:26] And people are like, we're already doing horror movies of him.

[5:28] It's like, there's gotta be a thing other than horror movies to do with these characters.

[5:31] And you know what's gonna be called blood and spinach or something?

Dan McCoy

[5:34] They are cheap to do.

[5:34] The only thing that can be done is we need to take beloved characters and turn them into

[5:38] murderers.

[5:39] Yeah.

[5:39] That is what we do.

Stuart Wellington

[5:41] Or take beloved murderers and turn them into characters.

[5:44] And then send those characters to USA.

Elliott Kalan

[5:48] They'll be welcome.

[5:48] Like in my, in my new public domain movie, Lil Jack.

[5:51] So Lil Jack has a, has a problem.

[5:53] He can't stop stabbing prostitutes.

Stuart Wellington

[5:56] Are they doing like Lil Dexter?

[5:58] Isn't there a show Lil Dexter?

[5:59] And they got Michael C. Hall to be like the framing device or something.

[6:03] Did they?

Elliott Kalan

[6:03] I don't, I don't know.

[6:04] So it's like the Wonder Years, but Dexter?

[6:06] I think so.

[6:06] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[6:07] Like Young Sheldon, but Dexter?

[6:07] Like Young Sheldon, but Dexter.

[6:10] Yeah, yeah.

[6:11] Okay.

[6:11] I mean, a great show that's gonna run for like 40 seasons.

Dan McCoy

[6:14] Okay, so what I'm hearing is a lot of enthusiasm for Screamboat.

[6:18] So, uh.

Stuart Wellington

[6:19] Uh, I'm leaning toward, I mean, I, you know.

Elliott Kalan

[6:22] Are we talking sincerely or ironically?

Stuart Wellington

[6:25] The, the trailer for Presence looks interesting enough.

[6:28] And it looks very like, you know, feels very tied to the form of it, right?

[6:33] It's like shot really weird.

[6:35] Yeah.

[6:36] But.

[6:36] Seems like he's doing something new.

[6:37] Yeah, it looks interesting.

Elliott Kalan

[6:39] I'd be more interested in that.

[6:40] As, as bored as I am with haunted house movies, I'm curious to see what he'll do with it.

Dan McCoy

[6:46] Mm-hmm.

[6:46] Okay.

[6:46] Well, uh, let's move on to February, uh, where I've got a pairing here.

[6:50] I'll, I'm curious to see where you land here.

[6:52] Paddington and Peru.

[6:53] Would you, would you, are you more interested in The Monkey, which is of course the new film

[6:59] by Osgood Perkins, who directed Long Legs and it's based on a Stephen King short story.

[7:04] Okay.

[7:05] Or The Unbreakable Boy about an autistic boy with brittle bone disease and his father, who's

[7:11] played by Zachary Levi, a man who has made no career or personal mistakes recently whatsoever.

[7:18] What, I'm out of the loop.

[7:19] What did he do?

Elliott Kalan

[7:20] Well.

[7:24] Just look it up.

[7:24] I don't know.

[7:25] I'll look it up.

[7:25] I can't give you a rundown.

[7:26] But, uh, well, I mean, everything you said about that second movie is a red flag for me.

[7:31] Uh-huh.

Stuart Wellington

[7:33] Uh, yeah.

[7:34] So wait, which one was made by the Harold and the Purple Crayon team?

[7:39] That would be, I don't know if it's by the team.

[7:41] Yeah.

[7:41] It's the same star.

[7:42] Uh, yeah.

[7:44] I guess, wait, what was the first one?

[7:46] The Monkey.

[7:47] I'll see that one.

[7:48] Yeah, why not?

[7:48] Yeah.

[7:49] I like Long Legs.

[7:49] I like, uh, Black Coat's Daughter.

Elliott Kalan

[7:51] You know, I'll give a shot.

[7:52] I still haven't seen, I still haven't seen Long Legs, but I'd rather see that one first.

[7:55] So that Harold and Purple Crayon movie, did that come out?

Dan McCoy

[7:57] Dan?

[7:58] Did that happen?

[7:58] It happened.

[8:00] It, it, it is available.

[8:01] It is on, I think it's on Netflix or some streamer already.

[8:05] We probably should talk about it because it seems like-

[8:07] We should probably do it at some point.

[8:09] A mega flop.

Elliott Kalan

[8:10] It's, and such a, such a misguide.

[8:13] The idea of, I mean, Harold and the Purple Crayon.

[8:15] We'll talk about this when we do that movie, I guess, at some point.

[8:17] But I love that book.

[8:18] It's a beautiful book.

[8:19] I find it to be such a beautiful poetic book about creativity.

[8:22] And the idea that like, now he's grown up and he's in our world.

[8:26] It's like, what the fuck?

[8:27] Like, come on guys.

[8:29] It's the little prince, but now he's grown up and he's on the run from space pirates.

[8:33] It's like, come on, man.

[8:34] Like, what are you doing?

[8:36] Ugh.

Dan McCoy

[8:37] Um, yeah.

[8:39] And, and Stephen King on film has had, there's been a mixed bag, but I, I like the trailer to the,

[8:44] the most.

[8:45] I mean, it's Stephen King on film.

Elliott Kalan

[8:47] Yeah.

[8:47] You never know what you're going to get.

[8:48] It could be a great movie.

[8:49] It could be a terrible movie, but it's worth the, worth the risk.

Dan McCoy

[8:52] Uh, okay.

[8:52] In March, coming up on, in March, we have Sinners, which is the new Ryan Coogler film.

[8:58] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[9:00] His first horror movie.

[9:01] It stars Michael B. Jordan as twin brothers encountering a mysterious evil.

[9:06] Or you could go see, if you're interested, Snow White, the Walt Disney live action remake

[9:13] starring seven horrifying CGI dwarves.

[9:17] So.

[9:18] Who plays Snow White?

[9:20] Uh, that's Rachel, Rachel Ziegler.

[9:22] Okay.

[9:22] What was the first movie?

[9:23] Sorry, I was busy reading about.

[9:24] Which is not a bad choice.

[9:25] Yeah.

[9:26] If you're going to make that.

Elliott Kalan

[9:28] I was busy reading about, I was busy reading about Zachary Levi's politics.

[9:29] What's, what's that?

[9:30] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[9:32] Uh, Sinners, the new Ryan Coogler film.

[9:35] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[9:35] I mean, I'm more interested in that.

[9:38] Uh, although, a misguided CGI dwarf extravaganza could be fun for me.

Elliott Kalan

[9:44] I mean, ask me which movie I'm more interested in seeing.

[9:47] The Ryan Coogler one.

[9:48] Ask me which one I am more likely to see in the theaters.

Dan McCoy

[9:51] The Snow White one.

[9:52] I will give it that, uh, apparently, uh, Greta Gerwig was one of the screenwriters on the

[9:57] Snow White one.

[9:58] So it might have something going on.

[10:00] Uh-huh.

[10:00] Yeah.

[10:01] Maybe.

[10:01] Who knows?

Stuart Wellington

[10:02] Who knows?

[10:03] So that, and that means that automatically Noah Baumbach did a little bit of, uh, punch

[10:08] up as well, probably.

[10:09] We are.

Elliott Kalan

[10:09] I would, I think that's, I, I, you know, I think that's the kind of thing that you mean

[10:15] as a joke, but I think could edge into misogyny, Stuart.

[10:19] So let's, uh, so I would, I would avoid.

[10:21] No, but I know like they work together a lot.

[10:23] I know they work together a lot and they're partners, but I don't want, I know that there's

Dan McCoy

[10:26] some, uh, I don't want any listeners to be like, oh, Stuart thinks that Greta Gerwig

[10:29] can't do it on her own.

[10:30] Thank you.

[10:31] She needs no about that.

[10:31] Yeah, I certainly, that is not the case for me.

Elliott Kalan

[10:33] I know you don't mean it that way.

[10:34] Yeah.

[10:34] But that being said, you probably did, right?

[10:37] Like, you probably just like.

[10:38] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[10:38] That part where the dwarves are like smearing jizz all over books and shit in the library.

Elliott Kalan

[10:43] The part where they're listening to Led Zeppelin.

[10:45] Yeah, sure.

[10:46] How, guys, I've said this before and I'll say it again.

[10:48] Two things I have issues with in Squid and the Whale.

[10:50] One, that jizz on the books thing is too much.

[10:52] Two, none of the other kids in his school recognized that song.

[10:56] None of them knew that that was not a song that he wrote.

[10:59] Come on.

[10:59] Come on, Noah Baumbach.

[11:00] There's no way.

[11:01] I can't believe it.

[11:02] I can't imagine it.

[11:03] Come on.

Dan McCoy

[11:04] It was a huge song.

[11:05] All right, well.

[11:05] Huge album.

[11:06] It was a big deal.

[11:07] Huge band.

[11:07] It was IMGb goofs, I guess.

[11:09] Put in the goofs.

Elliott Kalan

[11:10] Yeah.

[11:10] Put in the goofs.

[11:12] All right, so.

[11:13] Squid and the Whale?

[11:13] More like the squid than the goof.

[11:16] Oh, but that makes it sound like it's a squid fighting Goofy.

[11:18] Oh, no.

[11:19] Yeah.

[11:19] Now we've got to have that problem.

[11:19] That sounds like a great movie.

[11:21] Uh-huh.

[11:21] 20,000 goofs under the sea.

[11:23] Disney, do it.

[11:24] Come on.

[11:24] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[11:26] Well, in April, you guys have a tough choice to make.

[11:29] It's going to be really hard.

[11:30] Do you want to run out to see Mickey 17, which is, of course, the next movie from Bong Joon-ho,

[11:37] the one that Warner Brothers and David Zaslav keep pushing back despite the fact that Parasite,

[11:44] his last movie, literally won the best picture.

[11:47] That's Mickey 17.

Elliott Kalan

[11:48] And it's got Robert Pattinson doing a fun accent.

[11:51] Uh-huh.

[11:51] And you know that after someone wins an Academy Award, they always do their best work when

[11:56] they can do anything they want.

[11:57] A little movie called Babylon that was a little divisive, according to some.

Dan McCoy

[12:02] Okay.

[12:02] I'm not going to get into that.

Elliott Kalan

[12:03] There might even be a whole podcast about when someone gets that kind of a blank check

[12:07] and whether it works out or not.

Dan McCoy

[12:09] Or your other choice, of course, is you could run out and see a Minecraft movie starring Jason

[12:15] Momoa and Jack Black, directed by Napoleon Dynamite's Jared Hess, which is, as the title

[12:21] suggests, a Minecraft movie.

Elliott Kalan

[12:23] Yeah.

[12:25] There's a part in that trailer, which, again, I've seen because the kind of movies I see

[12:28] in the theater now are the kind of where they're in the middle.

[12:29] Wait, what's the trailer?

[12:30] What's it look like?

[12:31] Does it look like Minecraft?

[12:33] It actually looks much better than the video game Minecraft, but it's just a bunch of people

[12:37] walking around.

[12:38] It's the same Jumanji type story where a bunch of real-life people get sucked into Minecraft

[12:43] and they get to Jack Black and he goes, my name is Steve.

[12:48] And I had to turn to my children and be like, what does that mean?

[12:51] He said it as if it's a big thing.

[12:52] And they're like, Steve's like the most famous character in Minecraft.

[12:55] Like, come on, you don't know that?

[12:57] But again, I would rather see the Bong Joon-ho movie, but I will be seeing Minecraft because

[13:03] my children have asked me about it many times.

Stuart Wellington

[13:05] So, correct me if I'm wrong, but in Jumanji, wasn't it like they opened the game and all

[13:11] the shit came into the real world?

Elliott Kalan

[13:13] In the old Jumanji.

[13:14] In the new Jumanji, it's a video game that they're sucked into.

[13:18] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[13:19] In the Jumanji that also features Jack Black.

[13:21] Why don't they call it Jumanji Tron then?

[13:23] Because that's kind of what that is, right?

[13:25] Jutronji?

[13:26] Yeah.

[13:27] Jutronji.

[13:27] Like a slur or something.

Elliott Kalan

[13:30] Yeah, Jutronji does sound like it's Tron, but they're Jewish.

[13:32] Yeah.

[13:33] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[13:35] Okay.

[13:35] Well, you know, we're getting into blockbuster territory now.

[13:41] Heck yeah.

[13:41] That's fun.

[13:42] Now that we're past a Minecraft movie.

Elliott Kalan

[13:46] So, the Minecraft movie.

[13:46] So, which ones do you guys want to see?

[13:48] You didn't answer the question, Stuart.

[13:49] Minecraft or the other one?

Stuart Wellington

[13:53] The other one's the Bong movie, right?

[13:55] Yes.

[13:56] Yeah.

[13:56] I'm going to take a hit on that.

[13:57] I can't wait.

[13:58] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[13:59] So, the Minecraft movie, you watch the trailer for that.

[14:02] Actually, I want you to, Stuart, I want you to write down your script for a Minecraft

[14:06] trailer, and then I want you to watch the trailer and see how much it exactly matches

[14:11] exactly what you think it's going to be.

[14:12] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[14:12] I'm going to do that.

[14:13] Okay.

[14:13] Not a lot of surprises in the Minecraft trailer.

[14:15] And then I'll film it and I'll post it on my TikTok.

[14:17] I mean.

[14:17] So, Elliot will never see it.

[14:19] I got to say, if I did that exercise.

Elliott Kalan

[14:22] Stuart, look, I don't have TikTok.

[14:23] I'm just doing what the American government wants me to do and not use TikTok.

[14:26] No, yeah, you're right.

[14:27] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[14:27] You were saying, yeah, that's what you say every time you get in your Elon Musk created

[14:32] car and you spend your Trump bucks on things.

Dan McCoy

[14:36] If I did that exercise, it would genuinely be wild because I have no idea what Minecraft

[14:43] is.

[14:44] Like, is that the one that's all blocky?

[14:47] Like, I don't know.

[14:47] It's all blocky.

Stuart Wellington

[14:48] You're just building things and occasionally you eat pigs.

[14:50] That's as much as I know.

Dan McCoy

[14:52] What do you think I'm like?

[14:54] I feel like you play more modern video games than I do.

[14:58] Is Minecraft a modern video game?

[15:00] I mean, what counts as modern?

[15:02] It's still a thing that people play.

[15:04] You're right, actually.

Elliott Kalan

[15:05] I mean, modern art would be art from the early 20th century up to like the 1960s, 1970s.

Stuart Wellington

[15:10] I'm like officially like the gaming nerd correspondent on this show.

[15:16] So I should do my research, guys.

[15:19] Before somebody younger will replace me on this show.

[15:23] Oh, almost certainly.

[15:24] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[15:24] Yeah.

[15:24] We have a gaming correspondent and we have a hedgehog correspondent.

[15:27] Those are the two correspondents we have.

[15:28] And we have a Cats premiere correspondent.

[15:32] That's true.

Dan McCoy

[15:34] Okay.

[15:35] In May.

[15:36] In May.

[15:37] You have the option of going out to see Thunderbolt, asterisk.

[15:43] Marvel's first big team-up movie in a while with sort of an anti-hero Avengers.

[15:50] Or you can see Final Destination Bloodlines, which is dubbed a reimagining of the Final Destination series.

[15:58] A series which has reached the point in every horror series life cycle where they add bloodlines to the title.

Elliott Kalan

[16:04] So this time the people are going after death.

[16:07] That's the reimagining.

Stuart Wellington

[16:08] Yeah.

[16:09] I definitely have seen the Thunderbolts trailer and it looks fine.

[16:13] And I mean, Florence Pugh.

[16:15] I mean, I'll watch.

[16:16] I mean, she's so charming.

[16:17] She's great in lots of stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[16:18] And you love David Harbour, right?

Stuart Wellington

[16:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[16:22] I love big old David Harbour.

[16:23] And I want to support him in this difficult time since he's separating from his longtime partner.

[16:28] But I'm, yeah, it's a shame.

Elliott Kalan

[16:29] You guys are so much more up on the personal lives of famous people than I am.

Dan McCoy

[16:32] You guys might just lump me in.

Elliott Kalan

[16:34] You knew all about Zachary Levi.

Dan McCoy

[16:36] I guess that's true.

Stuart Wellington

[16:37] Yeah.

[16:38] Well, Elliot, yeah.

[16:40] I mean, I don't have children to waste time on.

[16:44] That's fair.

[16:46] That's fair.

[16:47] When I'm lying in bed, I'll look at my, when I'm lying on my deathbed and I'm dying, I'll look over my phone.

[16:52] I'll be like, I just wish I had more time with you, little kid.

Dan McCoy

[16:55] Now, I'll be honest about.

[16:56] I just wish I could just watch one more trailer.

[16:58] Yeah.

[16:59] I'll be honest about the selections here in May.

[17:02] Clearly, at this point, you've tweaked to the bit, which is that one movie is less appealing than the other film.

[17:10] But May, it was a harder one.

[17:11] Final Destination has been a pretty consistent series.

[17:17] But it's being reimagined.

[17:19] A reimagining, and it has bloodlines in the title.

Stuart Wellington

[17:22] Those two things, they're huge red flags.

[17:25] But guys, I'm not very good at saying no when something is that attractive and still has red flags.

[17:30] And Final Destination is the hottest horror franchise, I would argue.

[17:35] It has the fewest misses.

[17:38] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[17:40] Wait, what is it?

[17:41] The ceiling isn't that high, even though I do love a couple of them.

[17:46] But the floor also isn't that low on the Final Destination.

[17:50] Yes, yes.

Stuart Wellington

[17:51] And the high moments, I mean, some of the best set pieces are like late in the series.

[17:57] Yeah, that's true.

[17:58] That fucking gymnastic set piece is incredible.

Elliott Kalan

[18:01] That is a great one.

[18:02] The gymnastics one is great, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[18:04] That proves the fucking magic of cinema right there.

Elliott Kalan

[18:09] Yeah, this is a hard one.

[18:11] It's hard.

[18:12] The original Thunderbolts comic book, I loved.

[18:15] But I don't think they're not doing it the same way.

[18:18] So Thunderbolts, the original concept was they are villains who are pretending to be superheroes, and nobody knows it.

[18:25] And some of the villains are feeling the urge to actually become heroes, and others are not.

[18:29] And I feel like this is just going to be kind of like Suicide Squad, you know, type stuff.

[18:34] Yeah, probably.

[18:35] I'm worried that it's going to be – what's funny is that Final Destination is all about people getting killed, and I'm like, I want to see it.

[18:41] Elaborate kind of crazy deaths.

[18:43] This is also – I'm sure they're going to kill a lot of people, and I'm not going to like it.

[18:45] It's going to be a lot of killing people and making jokes about it, and it shows my duality when it comes to movies where a lot of people get killed.

[18:51] On the other hand, Wendell Pierce is in Thunderbolts, and I love Wendell Pierce.

[18:55] So I don't know.

[18:55] I don't think he's got a big role, but, you know.

Dan McCoy

[18:57] What if – I mean, the thing is like –

[18:58] And I've got to find out what that asterisk means.

Elliott Kalan

[19:00] What does that asterisk on the title mean, you know?

[19:03] What are they referring to?

Dan McCoy

[19:05] Maybe it's asterisk from Asterisk and Obelisk.

[19:08] Yeah, he joins the beans.

Elliott Kalan

[19:10] If that was the – like, Asterisk and Obelisk, have you heard about the Thunderbolts initiative, and they only speak ancient French, like ancient Gaelic?

[19:18] Like, come on.

[19:19] Then I'd be more interested, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[19:21] And they are 100% hand-drawn animated characters.

[19:25] Yes.

[19:26] That would be.

[19:26] I have no wiggle room on this one.

Elliott Kalan

[19:29] So I think I want to see our version of Thunderbolts Asterisk that has asterisks and Obelisk in it.

Dan McCoy

[19:34] We'll say that's an option.

[19:35] Sure.

[19:37] Let's move on to June, where you've got an interesting choice.

[19:41] You can see 28 – all of these are fascinating.

[19:44] That's a real king's on the choice.

[19:47] You can see 28 years later, where the creative team behind 28 Weeks Later returns for a decades-later installment of pseudo-zombie horror.

[19:58] This is with Sandy B, Sandra Bullock.

Stuart Wellington

[20:01] No, you're thinking of 28 Days.

[20:04] No, it's 28 Days Later, the rehab.

[20:06] No, no, no.

[20:06] Just 28 Days.

[20:07] Oh, just 28 Days.

[20:09] How to Lose a Guy in 28 Days?

[20:10] No, that's – or you could run out and see –

Elliott Kalan

[20:14] You're thinking of 28 Days the Condor.

Dan McCoy

[20:16] No.

[20:17] You could run out and see – and this is the whole title – From the World of John Wick, Ballerina, which is, of course, the movie that asks, what if we remove John Wick from John Wick but added the director of the Underworld series?

Elliott Kalan

[20:32] Well, it didn't work to remove Spider-Man from all those Spider-Man bad guy movies, but maybe John Wick's not as important to these characters.

[20:38] But the title includes From the World of John Wick.

Stuart Wellington

[20:41] I think Elliot is glossing over Madam Web, and I do not like this Madam Web erasure.

Elliott Kalan

[20:45] Madam Web is the one movie that kind of does have Spider-Man in it because he's a baby at the end.

[20:52] That's why it kind of works.

[20:53] Yeah, that's why it kind of works.

[20:54] In a dumb way.

[20:54] Guys, you know – and we got to do Kraven, right?

[20:56] We got to do Kraven when it's available.

[20:57] I'm Kraven.

[20:58] Kraven.

[20:59] Kraven.

[21:00] I'm also Kraven.

[21:03] I've kept away from reviews because I don't want to be spoiled.

[21:06] I want to see it as bad as it's meant to be.

Dan McCoy

[21:08] I had a friend who was going to see it, and I'm like, you know what?

[21:12] In another world, I would come out to the theater and watch Kraven with you, but I know we're going to have to watch –

[21:17] It's John Wick, right?

[21:18] We've got to do Kraven.

[21:19] Yeah.

[21:21] He sees everything.

[21:23] Yeah, he sees everything.

Elliott Kalan

[21:24] So this is either the –

[21:25] He's like the fucking watcher.

[21:27] From the world of John Wick, the ballerina.

[21:29] Now, is this a character from the later John Wick movies, the ballerina?

[21:32] Or is this a new character?

[21:34] Was she in the early ones?

[21:35] I don't remember her.

Dan McCoy

[21:36] So Wick was associated with like that kind of like this Russian mob ballerinas.

[21:44] I don't know what the actual –

Stuart Wellington

[21:46] Again, I have to stress that I don't pay that much attention to the John Wick movies after the first one.

[21:51] I watched at least one of them entirely on mute because I didn't want to wake up my wife and just assumed I could follow the –

[21:58] I mean, that's a totally fine way to watch them.

Dan McCoy

[21:59] I've seen all of them and really liked them but seen all of them once.

[22:05] So I'm not a –

[22:07] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[22:08] Have you watched any of the John Wick movies?

[22:11] I've seen the first two.

[22:12] I just haven't seen the third or the fourth because when the alert went out for John Wick that they had to stop him

[22:18] and every single person in New York checked their phone, I was like, I can't buy this world where everyone is a hitman.

[22:24] It's weird.

Stuart Wellington

[22:25] If anything, you should at least watch the action sequences.

[22:29] I will say –

[22:29] Yeah, I'll watch the action sequences.

[22:30] They're incredible.

Elliott Kalan

[22:31] For me like –

[22:32] It's like Final Destination.

[22:33] I just want to see the scene, the death scenes.

[22:35] I don't need to see any of the other scenes in the Final Destination movies.

Dan McCoy

[22:37] I still liked two but for me two was like the dip and then like I like three and four more than two.

[22:45] So if you –

[22:45] Okay.

[22:46] If you have any affection, I don't know.

[22:48] They're fine.

[22:49] But as you said before, there's limited time.

[22:52] So what are these two movies?

[22:53] I understand you make your own priorities.

Stuart Wellington

[22:53] We have Ballerina and what's the other one?

Dan McCoy

[22:55] 28 years later.

[22:57] I'll probably see that.

Stuart Wellington

[22:58] I thought the last one – the first two were good.

[23:01] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[23:02] I don't think I ever saw 28 Weeks Later.

[23:05] But 28 Days Later, I liked a lot.

[23:07] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[23:07] It's – it was like pretty brutal.

[23:10] Yeah.

[23:11] Who's the baddie in it from Trainspotting and Ravenous?

[23:18] Robert Carlyle.

[23:19] Yeah.

[23:19] He's really scary in it.

Dan McCoy

[23:22] He's a scary guy.

[23:23] Yeah.

[23:23] No, it's good.

[23:25] It's a weird one where like other zombie movie, the Dawn of the Dead remake, I don't think it ever gets better than the opening, which is amazing.

[23:36] Yes.

[23:36] Yeah.

[23:37] But the rest of the movie is pretty good.

Elliott Kalan

[23:39] That moment – the moment in 28 Days Later when he falls down and he looks up and there's a plane flying over the sky, that's a pretty powerful moment.

Dan McCoy

[23:45] Well, no.

[23:45] I'm talking about the 28 Weeks Later.

[23:48] Oh, the sequel.

[23:48] Sequel.

[23:49] Yeah, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[23:49] Because there's a part – certainly by the end of 28 Days Later when he's using the zombies for his like revenge fighting, I was like, all right, well, he's kind of turned into a superhero now.

[23:57] I don't love this.

[23:57] Yeah.

[23:58] But I love seeing that plane and it just being like everyone just forgot about England.

[24:02] They don't care about it.

[24:03] They don't give a shit about it.

[24:05] Everyone's living their life on other countries.

Dan McCoy

[24:08] So because we're halfway through the year, I'm going to just take a brief break to mention a couple of Flophouse things.

[24:13] Of course, last week was our Ski School 2 Flop TV and next month will be our Flop TV Season 2 big finale, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, The Secret of the Ooze, a movie that I have somehow never seen in its entirety.

[24:31] So I don't know what The Secret of the Ooze is.

[24:33] I will be learning The Secret of the Ooze.

Elliott Kalan

[24:35] I saw the movie multiple times in the theater when it came out.

Dan McCoy

[24:39] Yeah.

[24:39] I just missed it on the box office game recently.

[24:42] The Secret of the Ooze was not in my head.

[24:45] Oh, wow.

[24:46] So are you familiar with Toca and Rezar or no?

Elliott Kalan

[24:49] The other mutants in it?

[24:50] No.

[24:51] Don't let me spoil the existence of Toca and Rezar.

Dan McCoy

[24:54] Yeah.

[24:54] But if you're interested, of course, go to theflophouse.simpleticks.com.

[24:59] And if you get a season pass, you can watch all the old shows until the end of February.

[25:05] So that's coming up.

[25:06] And of course, as you are listening to this, if you're listening to it when it was released, next week is our live show at San Francisco Sketch Fest.

[25:17] On January the 19th at 7 p.m. at Cobb's Comedy Club, we will be talking about Cutthroat Island and doing our presentations.

[25:28] I have an idea for a presentation that I think is pretty good.

Elliott Kalan

[25:35] Wow, don't oversell it.

[25:37] Pretty good.

[25:38] Can't wait to see what's pretty good.

Dan McCoy

[25:40] I've been working on it.

[25:42] That's been my big project lately.

[25:44] So if you're interested, you can go to sfsketchfest.com for tickets.

[25:50] Presuming we haven't pulled out then.

[25:52] Who knows?

Elliott Kalan

[25:53] We'll have to check.

[25:54] It's possible.

[25:54] Have you been looking for a new podcast all about nerdy pop culture?

S4

[26:02] Well, I have just the thing for you.

[26:05] Secret Histories of Nerd Mysteries.

Stuart Wellington

[26:08] Secret Histories of Nerd Mysteries is a weekly pop culture history podcast hosted by me, host Austin.

S4

[26:13] And me, host Brenda.

[26:15] We've already tackled mysteries such as what happened to the puppets from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer,

[26:20] a Snoopy Mexican, and why do people hate Barney so much?

Stuart Wellington

[26:24] From theme parks to cartoons to 80s, 90s, and 2000s nostalgia, we tackle it all.

S4

[26:28] Check us out every Tuesday on MaximumFun.org and wherever you get podcasts.

S5

[26:38] One thing we all have in common, we all have a mind.

Dan McCoy

[26:41] It makes me so scared because I'm like, when is the bad thing going to happen?

S5

[26:46] And minds can be kind of unpredictable and eccentric.

Dan McCoy

[26:50] Everybody wants to hear that they're not alone.

[26:53] Everybody wants to hear that someone else has those same thoughts.

S5

[26:56] Depression Mode with John Moe is about how interesting minds intersect with the lives and work of the people who have them.

[27:03] Comedians, authors, experts, all sorts of folks trying to make sense of their world.

Elliott Kalan

[27:08] It's not admitting something bad if you say, this is scary.

S5

[27:12] Depression Mode with John Moe.

[27:14] Every Monday at MaximumFun.org or wherever you get podcasts.

Dan McCoy

[27:22] Let's get back to the series of infernal choices you have to make.

Elliott Kalan

[27:29] To 2025.

[27:31] Sophie herself would have trouble making these choices.

Dan McCoy

[27:34] So, in July, would you...

Elliott Kalan

[27:36] Sophie Tucker, that is.

[27:37] The last of the Red Hot Mamas.

[27:38] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[27:39] Sure.

[27:41] In July, would you prefer to go out and see Superman, which was the most watched Warner Brothers trailer ever, some nonsense record like that.

[27:51] James Gunn, of course, taking creative control of DC, returning Superman to the tone of Superman.

Elliott Kalan

[27:58] It's got pretty much the same music in the trailer, right?

[28:01] Or a variant of that music?

Dan McCoy

[28:02] Yeah.

[28:02] Well, they use a heavy metal version of John Williams theme.

[28:05] No, that's amazing.

[28:06] Cool.

[28:06] And Crypto's in it.

[28:08] Mm-hmm.

Elliott Kalan

[28:09] It's a dog.

[28:09] He's got superpowers.

[28:10] I haven't seen the trailer yet.

[28:11] Sounds fun.

[28:11] I hear it's really good, actually.

[28:13] Or...

[28:14] There's a lot of kissing in the trailer.

[28:15] At least the one that I saw.

[28:16] What?

Elliott Kalan

[28:16] A surprising amount of soups and lowest kissing.

[28:18] Yeah.

[28:19] Stuart, you like kissing.

[28:19] I love kissing.

[28:21] And your favorite character, Mr. Terrific, also appears in it.

Dan McCoy

[28:24] Oh, yippee.

[28:25] Or you have the option, of course, to see Jurassic World Rebirth.

[28:31] It's born again.

[28:32] Did you miss it in the whole three years since the last one?

[28:34] Elliot, you love dinosaurs.

[28:36] You must be thirsting for this one.

Elliott Kalan

[28:38] I do love dinosaurs.

[28:39] I got to admit, this is...

[28:41] Now we're in the real world that young Elliot never thought he would find himself in.

[28:47] Where I'm so bored by both superhero movies and dinosaur movies.

[28:50] Yeah.

[28:51] That I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

[28:52] Or specifically the Jurassic World Jurassic Park movies.

[28:56] Like, if there's another movie with dinosaurs, I'll eat that up.

[28:59] But I feel like both of these, I'm like, let's let these franchises, you know, just lay low for a while.

Stuart Wellington

[29:03] Guys, what was the last non-Jurassic movie that had a dinosaur in it?

[29:09] The 65 that we watched.

[29:11] Oh, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[29:11] And Tree of Life.

[29:12] Tree of Life also has some great dinosaur footage in it.

Dan McCoy

[29:15] I understand what you're saying.

[29:17] Although, because I have disliked the Zack Snyder characterization of Superman so much, like, it does feel like that character, in my mind, has been dead for years.

[29:28] And we haven't seen.

[29:29] Oh, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[29:30] I definitely am curious to see a Superman movie where he does not snap people's necks or just allow thousands of people to get killed during his fights.

[29:38] As far as we know, maybe that's James Gunn's surprise, is that his superhero Superman is kind of a bumbling Clark Kent in the lighthearted Supes, but he still kills people.

[29:45] Who knows?

Stuart Wellington

[29:46] Is he doing, like, is he doing, like, a movie version of, like, All-Star Superman or something?

[29:50] What's he doing?

Elliott Kalan

[29:51] It looks very All-Star Superman-y, you know, color-wise, color-palette-wise.

[29:55] But it's not the same story.

[29:56] Because, like, in the trailer, the thing that threw me off at the trailer is that there's also, like, I think, like, Hawkman or someone shows up in it.

[30:05] And there's Green Lanterns in it.

[30:06] Yeah.

[30:06] Mr. Terrific.

[30:06] Nathan Fillion in there as one of the Green Lanterns.

[30:08] Guy Gardner, yeah.

[30:09] He probably plays Guy Gardner.

[30:10] It's, like, I kind of would love to see a Superman movie where it's just Superman and it's not all these other characters.

Stuart Wellington

[30:17] Yeah, not carrying the weight of an entire IP, like, a whole franchise.

Elliott Kalan

[30:21] Yes, exactly.

[30:22] But I'm curious about what's rebirthing about Jurassic World.

[30:27] Rebirth is another one of these really lazy title subtitles.

[30:31] Like, Rises is probably the laziest one because it means nothing.

[30:34] It's so incredibly meaningless, you know.

Dan McCoy

[30:36] I think that the real answer is it is the studio being like, okay, we understand you didn't really like those last couple of ones.

[30:44] We're doing something different.

Stuart Wellington

[30:45] I feel like at this point with a number of these franchises, they should just be like Jurassic World 2025.

[30:53] Yeah, or just Jurassic World 4.

Elliott Kalan

[30:57] Just put a number at the end of it, you know.

[30:59] Yeah.

[31:00] But, yeah, but that's the way they used to do the airport movies was it would be like Airport 75, you know.

[31:05] And you'd be like, oh, the new airport is out.

[31:07] The new model of the airport movies.

Dan McCoy

[31:09] Okay.

[31:10] Well, in August, you have a choice to make.

[31:13] And that is, could you, would you, could you, would you with a bear?

Elliott Kalan

[31:17] I don't think we made a choice in July.

[31:19] I don't think we ever actually chose anything.

Dan McCoy

[31:23] Do you have a choice to make?

[31:24] I'll see Superman.

Elliott Kalan

[31:26] I'll go see the Superman movie.

[31:28] I'm going to see Jurassic World Rebirth probably.

Dan McCoy

[31:30] In August, you could watch the Battle of Baktan Cross, which I, there's no plot details yet, but this is Paul Thomas Anderson's next film.

[31:41] And it is apparently the biggest budget he's ever had, in part because he's got DiCaprio as his lead.

[31:47] And so it's like, oh.

[31:49] Well, I sure loved that last movie of his.

Elliott Kalan

[31:51] Oh.

[31:52] No, thank you.

[31:52] But you didn't like?

[31:53] Liquorice pizza?

Dan McCoy

[31:55] Oh, I thought you were talking about DiCaprio's last movie.

[31:58] No, no, no.

[31:58] Paul Thomas Anderson's last movie.

[31:59] You didn't like Licorice Pizza?

Elliott Kalan

[32:02] No.

[32:02] Not a fan.

[32:03] Okay.

[32:03] Not a big fan.

[32:04] Didn't really like it.

[32:04] I kept waiting for the movie to kind of kick into gear and do something that I liked, and it just never did it.

Dan McCoy

[32:09] Well, I don't agree with you, but, you know, he's got a good track record in general, even if you didn't care for that one.

Elliott Kalan

[32:16] He's someone I have to admit.

[32:17] I admire his movies more than I like them, to be honest.

Dan McCoy

[32:21] Your other option, of course, and there, of course, there's only one other option.

[32:25] There are only two movies being released in all these months.

Elliott Kalan

[32:31] Your other option.

[32:32] So Hollywood really is in trouble.

[32:34] They're releasing 24 movies this year, the whole industry.

Dan McCoy

[32:38] Your other option would be Untitled Insidious Sequel.

[32:42] With a title like that, anything's possible.

Elliott Kalan

[32:44] Wow, they still haven't untitled it, and it's coming out next year.

Stuart Wellington

[32:47] It's going to be a tough box office weekend, I got to tell you.

Elliott Kalan

[32:50] Yeah, I'll have to go see Back Sidious.

[32:54] That'll be the way you watch both of them at the same time, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[32:56] You'll have to watch all of the previous titled Insidious films, so you're going to understand this untitled one.

Elliott Kalan

[33:03] Yeah, I think I'm going to go, as much as I didn't like Licorice Pizza, I think I'll go see Battle of Bacta and Cross.

[33:09] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[33:10] If only because it makes me think of Bacta Tanks.

[33:14] Yeah, sure.

[33:14] Maybe there's a Bacta Tank in it.

[33:16] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[33:17] Okay, well, in September, here's some interesting ones.

[33:20] You could see The Bride!

[33:23] Exclamation point.

[33:24] This is not the words, but it's just The Bride!

[33:26] The Bride!

[33:27] A musical adaptation of The Bride of Frankenstein, which is, listen to this, written and directed by Maggie Gyllenhaal,

[33:33] with an all-star cast, including Jesse Buckley, Christian Bale, Penelope Cruz, Annette Benning,

[33:39] and, of course, Maggie's husband, Peter Sarsgaard.

[33:42] Sure.

[33:43] Or, Saw 11, what new fiendish traps of shill in the ideas notebook.

Stuart Wellington

[33:49] This is like when Ogami Ito made Daigoro choose between the ball and the sword.

[33:55] Yeah.

[33:56] This one's a tough one.

Elliott Kalan

[33:57] To be honest, Saw's doing it right with the titles.

[34:00] Just slap a number on there.

[34:01] Yeah.

[34:01] Just do it.

[34:02] We know how many saws there.

[34:03] This is great.

Dan McCoy

[34:03] It has gotten confusing briefly in there.

[34:07] They stray from the numbers.

Stuart Wellington

[34:08] Yeah, we had to go pick up the book of Saw.

[34:11] Yeah.

[34:11] For the worst ones.

[34:15] Yeah, I think Spiral Book of Saw.

[34:17] I think that's the worst one.

[34:19] But yeah, they're all going to have the same music in the end.

[34:22] It's, I hate them all and also kind of like them all.

[34:25] You also love them.

Elliott Kalan

[34:26] I mean, I got to see The Bride.

[34:28] I got to see a musical version of Bride of Frankenstein.

Dan McCoy

[34:30] And I love Jesse Buckley.

[34:31] She's great.

[34:32] I got to admit, I know that it's not a good movie,

[34:35] but Spiral from the Book of Saw was one of the first movies like after.

[34:40] That you ever saw?

[34:41] Yeah.

[34:42] No, after like, I was fully vaccinated for COVID and like things were quieting down.

[34:48] Dan was vaxxed and waxed.

[34:49] Theaters were reopening.

Elliott Kalan

[34:50] He got vaxxed.

[34:52] Then he got a waxing.

[34:53] This is the first time he could really go to the waxer.

Dan McCoy

[34:54] I was just so thirsty to see a movie in the theater that I saw,

[34:58] Spiral from the Book of Saw,

[34:59] and had a good time because I'm like,

[35:01] oh, you know, God bless seeing a movie in the theater.

[35:04] Yeah, that's fair.

[35:05] Yeah.

[35:05] Sure.

[35:06] Not being able to do that.

Stuart Wellington

[35:07] I think that was,

[35:07] I get it.

[35:08] I think there was nobody for me,

[35:10] the Bob Odenkirk action movie,

[35:11] and that was a blast.

[35:13] In October,

Dan McCoy

[35:15] this is an interesting one.

[35:17] You got,

[35:18] this is from the director of The Place Beyond the Pines,

[35:22] a movie that,

[35:22] you know,

[35:22] I didn't,

[35:23] you know,

[35:23] I'm mixed on,

[35:24] but it's interesting.

Elliott Kalan

[35:26] It's too bad The Place Beyond the Pines,

[35:27] it's too bad the first third of that is the most interesting part of the movie.

[35:30] And then it gets kind of less and less interesting as it goes on.

Dan McCoy

[35:33] But they've made a movie called Roof Man,

[35:37] which is a true crime story about-

[35:39] Another superhero movie.

Elliott Kalan

[35:40] It's got the powers of a roof.

[35:42] Great.

[35:43] It can cover things.

[35:44] Fantastic.

Dan McCoy

[35:45] It's a true crime story

[35:47] about an army officer turned thief of McDonald's franchises.

[35:52] All right,

[35:53] now I'm listening.

[35:54] It stars Channing Tatum and Kirsten Dunst,

[35:57] Kirsten Dunst.

[35:59] Or,

[36:00] you could run right out and see Tron Ares,

[36:04] where they decided that what the Tron franchise needed was Jared Leto.

[36:08] They put Jared Leto in Tron now.

Elliott Kalan

[36:10] He makes every movie better, Dan.

[36:12] Name one movie he made worse.

Dan McCoy

[36:14] You know what?

[36:15] I can't just name one movie that he made worse.

Elliott Kalan

[36:18] I challenge you to limit it to one.

Dan McCoy

[36:22] So those are some saucy options.

Stuart Wellington

[36:25] I will say,

[36:26] like,

[36:26] Jared Leto is often in good movies, though.

[36:30] Yeah.

[36:31] Look,

[36:31] I don't think it's possible for him to put in a bad performance.

Dan McCoy

[36:34] He can do it.

Stuart Wellington

[36:35] He can be a good actor.

[36:37] Yeah.

[36:37] Yes.

[36:37] But I'm just saying that,

[36:38] like,

[36:39] whoever-

[36:40] He's also a madman.

[36:41] Puts him in movies,

[36:42] generally,

[36:44] picks good projects.

[36:45] Yeah.

[36:46] Whether it's Blade Runner,

[36:47] Panic Room,

[36:47] et cetera,

[36:48] et cetera.

Dan McCoy

[36:48] Yeah.

[36:49] I think he's,

[36:50] he is best deployed as sort of a spice on the side.

[36:55] Sure,

[36:56] yeah.

[36:56] Not the main dish.

[36:57] Yeah.

[36:57] Okay,

[36:58] so-

Elliott Kalan

[36:58] There's a reason that he did not play the main lead in House of Gucci,

[37:01] but instead was the wacky sidekick.

[37:04] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[37:05] Okay.

[37:07] So I'm going to say Roofman.

[37:08] I think the first one.

[37:08] Yeah,

[37:08] Roofman.

[37:09] I'm going to say Roofman,

[37:11] yeah.

[37:11] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[37:12] All right.

[37:12] Well,

[37:12] in November,

[37:14] what we've got on the plate is-

[37:17] Days are getting shorter.

[37:19] Days are getting shorter.

[37:20] November.

[37:20] Leaves are falling off the trees,

[37:22] going to the movies.

[37:23] Yeah.

[37:23] Turkeys are hiding.

[37:26] They certainly are.

[37:27] This is like,

Stuart Wellington

[37:27] we're really starting to kick into a word season.

[37:30] You know,

[37:30] people are starting to think-

[37:31] Yeah.

[37:31] Word season?

Dan McCoy

[37:32] Yeah.

[37:33] Word season.

[37:34] And here's an award season movie for you.

[37:37] The Running Man,

[37:38] Edgar Wright's new adaptation of Stephen King's Richard Bachman novel,

[37:41] the same name,

[37:42] starring newly minted star Glenn Powell.

[37:46] Yeah,

[37:46] yeah,

[37:46] yeah.

[37:47] The Running Man.

[37:48] Hey,

Elliott Kalan

[37:48] they'll make America love him.

[37:50] They're just going to keep trying.

[37:51] You know,

Dan McCoy

[37:52] I was a doubter,

[37:53] but then,

[37:54] you know,

[37:55] between Hitman and to a lesser degree Twisters,

[37:57] I'm like,

[37:58] yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[37:59] I get it.

[37:59] Well,

[37:59] here's,

[38:00] no,

[38:00] I get it.

[38:00] I think he's super handsome.

[38:02] He's super charismatic.

[38:03] I think he's a good actor,

[38:04] but I feel like it's starting to have the feeling to me of when Hollywood loves somebody,

[38:09] but America is not like,

[38:10] yeah,

[38:11] we love this.

[38:11] Like,

[38:11] America needs to discover a star for itself in some ways,

[38:14] or choose a star for itself.

Stuart Wellington

[38:15] His name is Paul Giamatti,

[38:17] and America loves him.

Elliott Kalan

[38:18] I mean,

[38:19] to be honest,

[38:19] Paul Giamatti is one of those actors where Hollywood was not like,

[38:22] we got to put Paul Giamatti in everything,

[38:23] but America was like,

[38:24] we like Paul Giamatti.

[38:26] We want to see him in movies.

Dan McCoy

[38:27] Yeah.

[38:27] I would argue that he has now broken through to America with Twisters.

Stuart Wellington

[38:34] Y'all,

[38:34] if they made a Running Man movie starring Paul Giamatti,

[38:37] I would be like,

[38:38] day one,

[38:39] baby.

Elliott Kalan

[38:40] I would love it.

[38:41] That would be great.

Stuart Wellington

[38:42] I would show up wearing merch for the movie before I'd even seen the movie.

[38:47] That's table.

[38:48] Let's table the,

Elliott Kalan

[38:49] you'd have just sweatpants with Running Man down the leg.

[38:51] Yeah.

[38:52] Well,

[38:52] it's got to have a picture of Paul.

[38:54] Oh,

[38:55] yeah,

[38:55] well,

[38:55] that's on the butt.

[38:55] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[38:56] Let's table the Paul Giamatti talks until you hear the other.

[39:00] They're rivals,

Elliott Kalan

[39:00] Dan.

[39:01] Look,

[39:01] they're feuding rivals.

[39:02] Yeah,

[39:02] he plays buzzsaw.

Dan McCoy

[39:03] You got to hear the other option available to you.

[39:06] We're going to start this Giamatti-Powell beef here on the podcast.

[39:09] So the question is,

Stuart Wellington

[39:10] do you think that this is going to be a,

[39:12] wait,

[39:13] hold on.

[39:13] There's a second movie.

[39:14] Okay,

[39:14] fine,

[39:15] fine,

[39:15] fine.

Dan McCoy

[39:16] Then,

[39:17] then,

[39:17] then tell me what,

[39:18] I'm curious to know what you're going to say.

[39:20] Or the other option is David,

[39:23] which is a computer animated movie about David and Goliath from the director of Jungle Beat,

[39:27] the movie.

[39:28] Okay.

[39:29] Well,

Elliott Kalan

[39:29] yeah,

[39:29] and I'm very familiar with Jungle Beat,

[39:31] certainly.

[39:32] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[39:32] I was just going to say,

[39:33] I know,

[39:35] you know,

[39:35] the,

[39:36] do you think that this,

[39:37] the Edgar Wright running man is going to be closer to the original short story or more like the,

[39:45] like the big,

[39:45] almost like this,

[39:47] the,

[39:48] the more obvious skewering of reality television that the movie is?

[39:54] Um,

[39:55] well,

Dan McCoy

[39:56] is it,

[39:57] is it like a weird thing to say both?

[39:59] Cause I mean,

[39:59] I do think that it probably is going to,

[40:03] you closer to the story because like the,

[40:05] the,

[40:06] the,

[40:06] the Schwarzenegger movie is very different than the novel.

[40:10] And I feel like there's a lot of meat on that.

[40:11] It has so little to do with it.

[40:12] Yeah.

[40:12] Novel bone.

[40:13] But I do think that Edgar Wright could do a lot with,

[40:17] you know,

[40:18] a reality TV.

Stuart Wellington

[40:20] And it feels like it's,

[40:22] if he's leaning more,

[40:23] I mean,

[40:24] Edgar Wright,

[40:24] I think is a very good action director.

[40:26] So I'm excited to see him doing that sort of thing.

[40:30] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[40:31] I mean,

[40:31] I'll see that.

[40:32] That's certainly the one I'm more interested in seeing.

[40:33] I hope that they,

[40:34] the running man,

[40:35] the story is intact on a political system and the running man,

[40:38] the movie is a,

[40:39] is a,

[40:40] the old one is a parody of television.

[40:41] And I hope this,

[40:42] I would like this one to steer more into the political aspect that it's less

[40:45] about,

[40:45] can you believe what they put on TV these days?

[40:47] And it's more about what kind of culture creates this thing in order to

[40:52] distract people or give them a thing to do,

[40:54] you know,

[40:54] because the exciting thing about the story is that is the,

[40:56] he's,

[40:56] he's off in the world,

[40:58] you know,

[40:58] and they're like,

[40:59] he's out in public and they're trying to get him and,

[41:00] and people have to be either complicit or not complicit with that,

[41:03] with that hunt,

[41:04] you know?

[41:05] So.

Dan McCoy

[41:05] Well,

[41:05] and I also like,

[41:06] you know,

[41:06] the casting of Glenn Powell,

[41:07] I mean,

[41:08] obviously a very handsome man,

[41:11] but more of a normal man than Arnold Schwarzenegger was.

[41:15] Yes.

[41:15] Where like from the start,

[41:16] you're like,

[41:16] oh,

[41:16] I mean,

[41:17] like he'll do fine.

[41:18] Whereas in the story,

[41:19] like it is like a normal dude who has to go through this.

[41:22] Yeah,

Stuart Wellington

[41:23] but what if they cast more of an every man?

[41:26] Just to hear me out.

[41:27] What if instead of casting Glenn Powell,

[41:30] they cast somebody?

Elliott Kalan

[41:30] Who would you think?

[41:31] Someone who's like a little bit less,

[41:32] less kind of like a leading man,

[41:34] you know,

[41:34] looks,

[41:35] that kind of thing,

[41:35] traditional,

Stuart Wellington

[41:36] but like he's got,

[41:37] he's got like a certain charisma and charm that really catapults him into a leading man's status.

Elliott Kalan

[41:43] Yeah.

[41:44] And Hollywood doesn't want him in that position,

[41:45] but America just demands it.

[41:47] It just demands to see him.

[41:48] Who would be that guy?

[41:49] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[41:49] Now,

[41:50] don't hate me.

[41:51] Okay.

[41:51] I know,

[41:51] I don't want you guys to get mad at me.

[41:53] I'll never hate you.

[41:54] You've gotten really tough on me lately.

Elliott Kalan

[41:56] No,

[41:56] I feel like I want someone whose last name is Italian,

[41:59] but who doesn't come off as super Italian,

[42:01] you know?

Stuart Wellington

[42:01] Yes,

[42:02] exactly.

[42:02] I think that's important,

[42:03] but at the same time,

[42:04] there's this element of like,

[42:06] it adds a little bit of an edge to him.

[42:08] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[42:09] Yeah.

[42:09] There's an ethnic tinge to him that,

[42:11] that gives him a little,

[42:12] a little air of,

[42:13] you know,

[42:13] just not just your milk toast kind of leading.

Stuart Wellington

[42:15] Somebody who has like a pretty nice lengthy career,

[42:18] has done some high profile television work,

[42:21] as well as,

[42:21] uh,

[42:22] has played a,

[42:23] uh,

[42:24] United States president on television before somebody like that,

[42:28] but also be like a salt of the earth,

[42:30] every man,

[42:30] you know,

Elliott Kalan

[42:31] somebody who's as comfortable,

[42:32] playing a guy who has to be a bartender because,

[42:36] uh,

[42:36] because he has debts to pay and,

[42:37] uh,

[42:38] an ape that,

[42:39] that sells humans as slaves,

[42:41] you know,

[42:42] someone who can do both those roles.

[42:43] Who could that be?

[42:44] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[42:45] Uh,

[42:45] eyeing the leave button on this.

Stuart Wellington

[42:50] Okay.

[42:51] So yeah,

[42:51] I'm going to go see,

[42:52] uh,

[42:52] running man.

[42:53] Yeah.

[42:53] Okay.

[42:54] Yeah.

[42:54] With Paul Giamatti.

Elliott Kalan

[42:55] Hopefully.

[42:55] Paul Giamatti.

[42:56] Thank you.

[42:57] Paul G.

[42:57] And,

[42:58] and Ed Wright is the one director I can think of right now who,

[43:01] I don't think they're going to do the climax of the story,

[43:02] where he crashes an airplane into a building,

[43:04] which Stephen King has said.

[43:05] Oh,

[43:06] weird.

[43:06] Yeah.

[43:06] I feel like I can't write that now,

[43:07] but I wonder if he,

[43:08] but the fact that as he is walking towards the cockpit,

[43:12] the main characters,

[43:14] his guts are hanging out and his intestine gets caught on a chair and are

[43:18] pulling out of his body as he walks.

[43:19] I can see Edgar Wright doing that scene.

[43:21] So I remember reading that scene and being like,

[43:23] this is amazing.

[43:24] This is the most grotesque kind of hero climax I can imagine.

[43:28] You know?

Dan McCoy

[43:29] All right.

[43:29] Well,

[43:29] we've,

[43:30] we've reached the end of the year.

[43:32] Um,

[43:33] where all the big movies come out and here we,

[43:35] here we go.

Elliott Kalan

[43:36] I want to make,

[43:37] wait,

[43:37] I should mention,

[43:38] I was hard on Stuart about what he said about,

[43:40] uh,

[43:40] no,

[43:41] Bob back earlier and Greta Gerwig.

[43:42] I should mention,

[43:43] I have nothing against Italian people.

[43:45] I don't,

[43:45] I don't mind if someone's very Italian.

[43:47] I was just trying to,

[43:48] another way to try to hint at Paul Giamatti,

[43:50] you know,

[43:51] but.

Dan McCoy

[43:52] Um,

[43:53] in December,

[43:54] you have the option to either see Marty Supreme,

[43:58] which is a reportedly age 24 is most expensive movie,

[44:03] a sports drama about what?

[44:05] A sports drama.

Elliott Kalan

[44:07] It's not,

[44:07] it's not about Martin Scorsese opening up like a diner.

[44:10] That's the big dish.

[44:11] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[44:12] Hmm.

[44:13] Marty Supreme.

[44:14] Uh,

[44:14] it's a sports drama about ping pong and stars Timothy Chalamet and it's directed by Josh Softy.

[44:21] Okay.

[44:21] I like the Softy movies.

[44:22] No,

Dan McCoy

[44:22] yeah.

[44:23] Uh,

[44:24] or five nights at Freddy's two,

[44:27] five nights at Freddy's two.

[44:29] Do you dare spend a six nights at Freddy's?

Elliott Kalan

[44:31] Jesus Christ.

[44:32] Night six through 10 at Freddy's.

Stuart Wellington

[44:36] So,

[44:37] I can't believe that that's so many nights,

[44:39] guys.

[44:40] That's a lot of nights to be at Freddy's.

[44:40] Do you take the weekends off?

[44:42] Like,

[44:42] what's happening here?

Dan McCoy

[44:43] I mean,

[44:44] I've probably spent,

[44:45] you know,

[44:45] five nights at Freddy's over the course of my time here at Brooklyn.

[44:49] Yeah,

[44:49] yeah.

[44:49] That's a big bar.

Stuart Wellington

[44:50] Freddy's bar owned by my business partner,

[44:52] Matt.

Elliott Kalan

[44:53] Yeah.

[44:54] I mean,

[44:54] the thing is like,

[44:55] I could only spend one night at McCool's.

[44:56] More than five nights at Freddy's would be too much.

Dan McCoy

[45:00] Yeah.

[45:00] If you spend more than one night at Freddy's,

[45:02] see your doctor.

Stuart Wellington

[45:03] Yeah,

[45:03] yeah.

[45:04] I mean,

[45:04] and I only spent.

[45:05] Yeah,

[45:05] because the robots cut you up.

[45:07] Yeah.

[45:07] I think I only spent three nights at the museum and those were huge.

Elliott Kalan

[45:10] And those were spaced out over different times and different museums.

[45:15] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[45:16] I spent a night at the opera once.

[45:19] Just once.

[45:19] Okay.

[45:20] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[45:20] I spent a day at the races.

[45:22] Don't forget that.

[45:22] That was the next day.

[45:23] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[45:25] You think those,

[45:25] yeah.

[45:26] Do you think those stacked on each other?

[45:29] Anyway.

[45:31] Yeah.

[45:31] What do you think?

Elliott Kalan

[45:32] Yeah.

[45:32] So Marty Supreme.

[45:33] I think I'll probably see.

[45:34] Okay.

[45:34] I'll probably see Marty Supreme.

[45:35] So wait,

Dan McCoy

[45:36] was their previous most expensive movie Civil War,

[45:39] I think?

[45:41] I really don't.

[45:41] I also,

[45:43] I feel like Bo was afraid must have been wildly expensive.

[45:47] It looks very expensive.

[45:48] Considering how little money I think it made for them.

Elliott Kalan

[45:52] So this,

[45:52] it says,

[45:53] according to this,

[45:53] I'm looking at right now,

[45:54] Civil War was the previous one.

[45:56] It says,

[45:56] Civil War's budget,

[45:57] according to Wikipedia,

[45:58] was $50 million.

[45:59] This is $70 million.

Stuart Wellington

[46:01] Most of that went to Jesse Plemons for his one scene.

[46:03] He's like,

[46:04] I'm only available,

[46:05] but you gotta pay.

[46:06] I know you're gonna use this in the trailer,

Elliott Kalan

[46:08] so you gotta pay me $50 million.

[46:10] That's the whole budget.

[46:11] It's the best scene.

[46:13] He's great.

[46:15] And his,

[46:16] it's,

[46:17] I mean,

[46:17] he probably didn't have to get paid that much

[46:18] since his wife is the star of the movie also.

[46:21] Yeah.

[46:23] Probably not.

[46:24] Uh,

[46:25] again,

[46:26] we're talking about a different movie

[46:27] than the one which,

[46:27] yeah,

[46:27] so Marty's supreme.

[46:28] I'm curious how this sports drama

[46:30] could cost that much money.

[46:30] Maybe they're holding a Super Bowl.

[46:33] Uh,

[46:33] but yeah,

[46:33] Bo's afraid.

[46:34] I wonder what the budget for that was.

[46:35] That did look very expensive.

[46:37] Check it out.

[46:37] And Lupone doesn't come cheap.

[46:39] No.

Dan McCoy

[46:41] That's what,

[46:41] that's what,

[46:42] that's what our business card says.

[46:44] Yeah,

[46:44] don't come cheap.

[46:45] It says,

[46:45] so on Wikipedia,

Elliott Kalan

[46:46] the budget was $35 million.

Dan McCoy

[46:48] Wow.

[46:49] That's a lot.

Elliott Kalan

[46:49] It's all up on screen.

[46:50] It is all up screen.

[46:51] I think more is on screen,

[46:52] even,

[46:53] than that.

Stuart Wellington

[46:55] Yeah,

[46:55] I'll watch it.

[46:56] I haven't watched it yet,

[46:57] but I'm afraid.

[46:59] Well.

Elliott Kalan

[47:00] You haven't watched,

[47:00] wait,

[47:01] Bo's afraid you haven't watched

[47:02] or the other one?

[47:02] I haven't watched Bo's afraid.

[47:03] It's,

[47:04] there's some stuff in it

[47:05] that I loved

[47:05] and some stuff in it

[47:06] where I was like,

[47:07] movie,

[47:07] you should have cut this out.

[47:08] Don't have this in here.

[47:09] But,

[47:10] it's a singular,

[47:11] certainly a singular vision,

[47:12] you know.

Dan McCoy

[47:13] You like movies that are,

[47:14] I mean,

[47:15] I know that you like to,

[47:16] you like being the Softie Brothers,

[47:18] you like movies that are sort of

[47:20] anxiety,

[47:21] fever,

[47:22] dreams.

[47:22] Yeah.

[47:22] And Bo's afraid is definitely that.

[47:23] It certainly is.

Elliott Kalan

[47:24] Certainly those opening scenes

[47:26] where it's in the city,

[47:26] it's nonstop anxiety.

[47:28] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[47:28] Cool.

[47:29] Yeah,

[47:29] it's kind of,

[47:30] it made me think of,

[47:31] I mean,

[47:31] just the trailer made me think of

[47:33] Synecdoche,

[47:34] New York.

[47:34] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[47:35] They're very different movies,

[47:37] but in some ways,

[47:37] they're very similar movies,

[47:38] you know.

[47:39] But I would say the main character

[47:41] in Synecdoche,

[47:42] New York,

[47:42] he causes trouble for himself

[47:44] in a way that seemed less

[47:45] like he was a doofus

[47:47] than Bo does.

[47:48] There are times when Bo's afraid

[47:49] when I'm like,

[47:49] Bo,

[47:49] just fucking do what you're

[47:50] supposed to do.

[47:51] Like,

[47:52] this is not that difficult.

[47:54] Straight up,

[47:54] straight up and fly right,

[47:55] Bo.

[47:55] When Nathan Lane is like,

[47:57] Bo,

[47:57] we can't take you today,

[47:58] Bo should have been like,

[47:59] well,

[47:59] then I'll just go on my own.

[48:00] Like,

[48:00] I don't need,

[48:01] I could find another way

[48:02] to get where I'm going.

[48:02] I don't need you to drive me.

[48:03] But Bo's afraid.

[48:04] He's very afraid.

[48:05] He is afraid.

[48:06] That's one thing we know about him.

[48:08] That is the one thing we know.

[48:09] I think the thing that

[48:09] the movie can't quite decide

[48:11] is how afraid he is.

Stuart Wellington

[48:13] What was the original title?

[48:14] What was the working title?

Elliott Kalan

[48:16] Bo is not afraid.

[48:17] And then they made a big change

[48:18] in the story.

Stuart Wellington

[48:19] It's called like

[48:20] Heartbreak Boulevard

[48:21] or something.

[48:21] Oh, really?

[48:22] It was something,

[48:22] it was something different.

[48:24] That's it.

[48:25] That would be a terrible title.

[48:26] I don't think that was

[48:27] that specific thing,

[48:28] but it was something weird.

[48:29] Cool.

[48:30] So that was,

[48:31] that was the original title

Elliott Kalan

[48:32] Disappointment Boulevard.

Stuart Wellington

[48:33] Okay.

[48:34] So that's a year of those.

[48:36] Which are you most excited for

[48:38] and why is it

[48:39] the dinosaur,

[48:42] is there a dinosaur one?

[48:43] That Jurassic World one?

[48:44] Jurassic World.

[48:49] I love movies,

[48:51] so I'm going to see them all,

Dan McCoy

[48:52] you know.

[48:52] Yeah.

[48:52] I don't have to pick one.

[48:53] No, this is like the,

[48:54] look, I made,

[48:55] you know,

[48:55] like I said,

[48:56] I stacked it with

[48:57] some silly choices in there,

[48:58] but there's some movies in there

[49:00] that I'm really excited to see.

[49:02] You know,

[49:03] it's nice to have

[49:04] something to look forward to

[49:06] in this life.

[49:08] In 2025?

[49:09] Yeah.

[49:10] And that,

[49:11] of course,

[49:12] was our comprehensive

[49:13] and very serious

[49:14] preview

[49:15] of the next year in film

[49:17] for The Flophouse.

[49:19] I've been Dan McCoy.

[49:21] Now,

[49:21] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[49:22] And I'm Elliot Kalin saying,

[49:23] even if all the other movies

[49:24] are crap,

[49:25] you've got to believe

[49:25] Hollywood will release

[49:26] at least one good movie

[49:27] next year,

[49:28] and I can't wait to see it.

[49:30] Bye.

[49:36] Okay,

[49:36] let's do this mini.

[49:42] Let me just,

[49:43] you know,

[49:43] we might.

Stuart Wellington

[49:44] Let me finish it.

[49:46] Alex,

[49:46] leave in that,

[49:47] that Mortal Kombat

[49:49] techno remix somewhere.

[49:50] Just put it in somewhere.

Elliott Kalan

[49:54] Most impressive.

[49:57] Friendship.

Dan McCoy

[49:58] Get over here!

[50:00] Maybe,

[50:01] maybe at the end.

[50:02] Maybe you don't just,

[50:03] like,

[50:03] stick it in the middle.

[50:04] No,

[50:05] yeah,

[50:05] just insert it in the middle.

[50:06] Dynamically insert it.

[50:07] Yeah,

[50:07] yeah,

[50:07] okay.

[50:08] Do it dynamically.

[50:10] Do everything dynamically.

[50:13] Um,

[50:14] okay.

Elliott Kalan

[50:15] Do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

[50:17] Oh,

[50:17] God.

[50:19] Maximum Fun.

[50:19] A worker-owned network

Dan McCoy

[50:21] of artist-owned shows

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FH Mini 120 - Coming Attractions in 2025

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