The Flop House: Episode #57 - Sorority Row

[0:00] In this episode, we wait until Stuart is out of the country before watching the movie about

[0:05] Nubile Sorority Sisters.

[0:08] We discuss Sorority Row.

[1:00] We also talk about Superman, and in inevitable Flophouse fashion, we've alienated the audience.

[1:14] The point is, before we get distracted, we're going to introduce Eric, our guest, who is

[1:19] stepping in for Stuart, who is nude on the Mexican Riviera as we speak.

[1:25] I had an image of Stuart in a backpack and pith helmet climbing nude up the side of a

[1:36] Mayan pyramid and shouting down to somebody who's taking pictures of him at ground level.

[1:54] We tried to get the whole gang back together last week, but it didn't work out, partly

[1:58] because I was having nose surgery.

[2:20] Do I sound different, listeners?

[2:22] Write in and tell me, whether the resonance of my nasal cavity is changing my voice.

[2:28] It does sound like your septum is less deviated.

[2:30] Yeah, a little bit less deviant.

[2:32] Yeah.

[2:33] Deviant?

[2:34] He was living a deviant lifestyle before.

[2:36] The pornography that my septum has been looking at recently has been very vanilla.

[2:40] Wow.

[2:41] Good to know.

[2:42] Eric.

[2:43] Yes, sir.

[2:44] You are an actor.

[2:47] I am.

[2:48] You have had speaking roles in Steven Spielberg's War of the Worlds.

[2:54] I have.

[2:55] True.

[2:56] Baby Mama.

[2:57] That's another one.

[2:58] True.

[2:59] True.

[3:00] The Bounty Hunter in theaters now.

[3:01] John Adams.

[3:02] True.

[3:03] True.

[3:04] The HBO series.

[3:05] The HBO miniseries.

[3:06] True.

[3:07] Can you do the line that you did in either John Adams or War of the Worlds?

[3:09] I'll leave it up to you.

[3:12] Okay.

[3:13] Wow.

[3:14] I don't know.

[3:15] I mean, a lot of prep goes into the ... I honestly, I don't think I actually remember

[3:22] the exact words of the War of the Worlds at the moment.

[3:25] You're playing the character who's listed in the credits as Doomsday Guy.

[3:27] That is correct.

[3:28] Correct.

[3:29] Doomsday Guy.

[3:31] In John Adams, I played Thomas McCain, Senator ...

[3:35] John McCain's father.

[3:36] Not.

[3:37] No.

[3:38] John McCain's son?

[3:39] John McCain's granddaughter.

[3:40] No.

[3:41] No.

[3:42] A representative from the great state of Delaware to the Continental Congress.

[3:51] I mean, it's a great state.

[3:54] Thank you.

[3:55] So, he's the Delaware representative to the Continental Congress.

[3:59] Yes.

[4:00] One of the three, but yeah.

[4:02] My line in that, so I do answer Dan's question, I don't want to alienate him so early in the

[4:07] show, was, leave it to me.

[4:12] But you said it was so much urgency.

[4:15] Yeah, there was more urgency, but I'm not giving you the whole performance.

[4:18] In context, it was really a beautiful moment.

[4:20] It was, yeah.

[4:21] Well, Elliot tipped this already, but I wanted to ask, now you're in The Bounty Hunter.

[4:26] I am.

[4:27] In theaters now.

[4:28] I am.

[4:29] Starring Gerard Butler.

[4:30] As Dog.

[4:31] No, that's not.

[4:32] No.

[4:33] Now, we have done ...

[4:34] As Boba Fett?

[4:35] Two Gerard Butler films on The Flophouse.

[4:37] We did two, actually, in rapid succession.

[4:39] Yeah, very close together.

[4:40] Just a couple months ago.

[4:41] Was that obsession, would you say?

[4:42] Well, I want to turn that around to you and ask, do you think that you're ruining your

[4:48] career by appearing on our podcast?

[4:50] Have you made a powerful enemy?

[4:52] I don't think so.

[4:53] You've awoken a sleeping giant, Gerard.

[4:54] Named Gerard Butler.

[4:55] I don't.

[4:56] I don't.

[4:57] Because he's got narcolepsy.

[4:58] Interesting.

[4:59] No, I don't think.

[5:00] I hope not.

[5:01] On the set, was it hard to work with him, because he was in the middle of so many anti-Flophouse

[5:09] tirades?

[5:10] It didn't actually come up, I have to say.

[5:12] Like these kind of Christian Bale level just rants against The Flophouse.

[5:16] I'm sorry, what was the question?

[5:22] No, I didn't.

[5:24] I don't think.

[5:25] I mean, I don't think you're on his radar.

[5:27] I'm sorry.

[5:28] Who did you?

[5:29] Whose radar are we on, then?

[5:30] You're too good.

[5:31] You're too good at Hollywood.

[5:32] All the Hollywood players.

[5:33] Who's angry at us now?

[5:34] Well, I know that...

[5:35] Oh, let's just say...

[5:36] I mean, we've had a long-running feud with Elias Kodeas, but, you know.

[5:37] Well, perhaps it's because you're pronouncing his name wrong.

[5:38] Listen, he should get a real name.

[5:39] They don't pronounce it right.

[5:40] You hear that, Elias?

[5:41] This is why we've had a feud for a while.

[5:42] I can understand.

[5:43] Casey Jones from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the movie.

[5:44] So, for those of you who don't know Casey Jones, he's an actor.

[5:45] He's an actor.

[5:52] I play a cop who gives some information to Gerard Butler towards the end of the movie,

[6:13] so I don't want to spoil it for whoever, but not that I could spoil it, really, but...

[6:21] Well, I'll tell you what happens when the minute they bought the ticket for The Bounty

[6:27] Hunter.

[6:28] Whoa, I didn't actually mean it in that context, but no, that's not...

[6:29] This is his bread wagon, his meat ticket.

[6:30] His bread wagon?

[6:31] Have you ever heard that before?

[6:34] Listen, this is his meat bucket we're talking about.

[6:37] You never heard it because that was me grasping for an idiomatic phrase that I did not have

[6:43] on the tip of my tongue.

[6:44] That was not actually how I intended to say that, but...

[6:47] Yes.

[6:48] My...

[6:49] Yes.

[6:51] My cracker barrel, if you will.

[6:53] Delicious.

[6:54] So, do you think that's a racist slur against whites, by the way, cracker barrel?

[6:59] No.

[7:00] It's a barrel full of crackers that you would have at a general store.

[7:04] People, we didn't always live in a world of pre-packaged crackers, Dan.

[7:09] Okay.

[7:10] Sometimes you had to scoop them up out of a barrel.

[7:13] So Gerard Butler seemed like a nice guy?

[7:15] He did.

[7:16] It's funny.

[7:17] I actually...

[7:18] In the movie, I have a conversation with him over the phone.

[7:22] In reality, I did not...

[7:25] When I was shooting my scene, I had no contact with him at all.

[7:28] Okay.

[7:29] That's movie magic, everyone.

[7:30] Movies.

[7:31] Well, I just want to say that.

[7:32] I just wanted to ask the question because...

[7:35] But no, he did.

[7:36] There's no personal hard feelings, no ill will that we bear against Gerard Butler.

[7:39] No, he seemed fine.

[7:40] No, he seems like a very nice, charismatic guy.

[7:41] He is.

[7:42] He was great.

[7:43] I mean, I met him briefly, but he was...

[7:44] He was great, is all we're saying.

[7:46] Or, if you read your own scripts, get better taste.

[7:50] Wow.

[7:51] Now, that was directly to him because he's listening.

[7:53] Yeah.

[7:54] He listens every week going, oh, Lophouse.

[7:55] Well, you were telling us how he was so enraged earlier, so I assumed that he was...

[7:59] I'm pretty sure that was you saying that and me saying no.

[8:03] Okay.

[8:04] But we can play it back.

[8:05] No.

[8:06] Okay.

[8:07] Too much work.

[8:08] You know what?

[8:09] Let's look at the tape.

[8:10] Yeah.

[8:11] So the point of this long introduction is that we watched a film tonight.

[8:15] Exactly.

[8:16] That was the point because we were dancing around that point pretty well.

[8:19] And, you know, I don't know if you're aware of the premise of the show, guys, but the

[8:24] premise is that we watch a movie that we assume to be bad.

[8:28] But we hold out hope that it will be good.

[8:30] Hold out hope that it might be good, and then we discuss it.

[8:33] Round table afterwards.

[8:35] Okay.

[8:36] This table is a square.

[8:37] I can see you looking...

[8:38] I wasn't going to say it.

[8:39] I didn't want to embarrass you.

[8:40] Well, the magic of radio, the audience can imagine that it's round.

[8:43] I wasn't picturing it was round until you said it.

[8:45] I looked at it.

[8:46] Well, we're seated in a semi-circle.

[8:48] You could say that, I suppose.

[8:50] Next to a cliff over a magical city, a kingdom of glittering castles and airships.

[8:58] It's a radio.

[8:59] They can't know.

[9:00] It's not even radio.

[9:01] It's a podcast.

[9:02] You're painting a picture.

[9:03] It's radio.

[9:04] You're of the future.

[9:05] Whoa.

[9:06] Speaking of which, robots all over the place.

[9:09] Audience can't see it.

[9:12] Anyway, we watched a film called Sorority Row.

[9:17] Sorority Row.

[9:18] A remake of the 83 film, The House on Sorority Row, which I think I may have watched, but

[9:24] immediately, when I looked at it on IMDb, I couldn't tell whether I'd seen it or not

[9:30] because all of those early 80s sorority slashers are so interchangeable.

[9:35] But that one was a remake of Catfish Row, right?

[9:38] Cannery Row?

[9:39] Cannery Row.

[9:40] That's what I meant.

[9:42] I like to think that 20-some years from now, I will look back and wonder whether or not

[9:47] I actually saw Sorority Row.

[9:49] Yeah.

[9:50] Each year, I keep a list of the movies I see that year.

[9:53] I'm going to write down this one, and I guarantee you, next year when I look back on this list,

[9:57] I'll be like, what was that?

[9:58] It must have been a Flophouse movie.

[10:02] It's interesting that they changed the title.

[10:04] I wonder if there's sort of like a double entendre, if you will.

[10:09] Like a row meaning an argument?

[10:11] Yeah, so, you know, the house on Sorority Row is very clearly that.

[10:14] Sorority Row.

[10:15] Sorority Row?

[10:16] Well, it's the same word.

[10:18] Yeah, Sorority Row sounds crazy.

[10:20] Yeah.

[10:21] But also, like, maybe, well, you think Sorority Row, there might have been a row boat in it, but there's none.

[10:27] I guess, I mean, as much as I scoff at your pun idea, it's the only way that this title makes sense.

[10:34] Because, like, house on Sorority Row, you're like, okay, there's a lane full of sorority houses and this is one of them.

[10:40] But just Sorority Row.

[10:41] Sounds like it should take place in more than one house, but it doesn't.

[10:44] And it does not at all.

[10:45] In fact, there's not, I don't even think we see another house in the movie.

[10:48] No, we see the interior of a therapist's modern house.

[10:51] That's true.

[10:52] And there's a restaurant somewhere that's really dimly lit.

[10:55] Yes, that a senator eats at.

[10:57] Okay, but let's sort of summarize the film.

[11:00] There's this group of sorority girls.

[11:03] The Theta Pi girls.

[11:04] Seniors.

[11:05] There's the nice ones.

[11:06] There's seniors at College State University.

[11:08] No, no, first of all, let's define them by one trait.

[11:11] Well, there's the nerd Ellie.

[11:13] Played by Rumer Willis in her second sorority house-themed film after The House Bunny.

[11:18] There's the bitch who's kind of the leader of the group, Jessica.

[11:22] Right.

[11:23] There's Claire.

[11:24] She's Asian.

[11:25] Yeah.

[11:26] There's Chugs, who we thought at first was named Jugs and then thought was named Chunks.

[11:31] But she is the drunk who is also a slut.

[11:34] And then there's Cassidy, played by step-up-to-the-street star.

[11:39] Brianna Evigan.

[11:40] Evigan.

[11:41] And she is the, she becomes basically the main character of the movie.

[11:47] And there's also the soon-to-be-dead Megan, played by Audrina Partridge.

[11:52] Was that who?

[11:53] I guess so.

[11:54] I believe that is correct.

[11:55] That's what you told us.

[11:56] Of TV's The Hills, a show that I have managed to avoid watching entirely.

[12:00] It's weird because I've seen a little bit of it and it's like, it's a series based on The Hills Have Eyes, right?

[12:06] I think.

[12:07] Because it doesn't seem to be anything like that.

[12:09] There are hideous mutants in it.

[12:10] There are, but they're not inbred hick murderers.

[12:13] They're just, you know.

[12:14] Not hick anyway.

[12:15] Yeah, their mutations appear to be all plastic surgery based.

[12:19] In the chestal region and the facial region.

[12:22] They're not cannibals per se.

[12:25] So the film.

[12:26] Per se.

[12:28] But in a larger social sense.

[12:30] Aren't we all cannibals?

[12:33] So the film begins with them.

[12:35] It's a big party at the sorority house.

[12:37] And the girls have gotten together to do a hilarious prank on one of their cheating boyfriends.

[12:42] No, it's on, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[12:44] It's Megan's cheating boyfriend.

[12:48] Who's also Chugs' brother.

[12:51] Garrett.

[12:52] Right.

[12:53] And so they have pretended to roofie this girl.

[13:00] To have him roofie her.

[13:02] They gave fake roofies to him to give to her.

[13:05] So that they can teach him a lesson that involves her spitting up all over him and appearing to be sick and dying.

[13:13] Or just like basically dead.

[13:15] Like she overdosed on roofies.

[13:17] And they must dispose of the body.

[13:19] Yeah, they're trying to play a trick on him to make him think that he's a murderer.

[13:22] As sorority girls.

[13:24] It is funny thinking about it now.

[13:26] But unfortunately things go a little too far.

[13:29] And he ends up shoving a tire iron through her chest and actually killing her.

[13:34] Once they get to an old mining quarry that's been abandoned.

[13:39] Yeah, true.

[13:40] In this college town.

[13:42] At one point the college town's main industry was a quarry.

[13:47] Well, that's true of Bloomington, Indiana.

[13:49] Oh, really?

[13:50] Okay.

[13:51] That's a fun fact about Bloomington.

[13:53] So they dump the body down.

[13:55] They dump it into like a big hole.

[13:57] Yeah.

[13:58] And Cassidy, is that her name?

[14:00] Yes.

[14:01] Our nice girl.

[14:02] She wants to call the police.

[14:04] But everyone else worried about their futures or being pressured into being worried about their futures by the bitch.

[14:10] Yeah.

[14:11] Jessica, the blonde one who's the bitch, spends roughly 75 minutes convincing them not to go to the police.

[14:18] But by saying the same thing over and over and over again.

[14:21] Yes.

[14:22] This is a very talky hour and 40 minute slasher movie.

[14:28] And they convince Cassidy to go along with this by saying that they'll all claim that she was at fault.

[14:32] Right.

[14:33] If she does not.

[14:34] Jessica's point, which, you know, there's merit to, I suppose, was that why should all of their lives be ruined by one stupid thing that they did, which was killing someone.

[14:44] Merely because they took the life of a friend.

[14:46] Why should they be the ones to pay?

[14:49] What's fair about that?

[14:50] Exactly.

[14:51] Well, I mean, more to the point, though, she would be more, I think, in trouble being, I think, the mastermind of the. . .

[15:00] And also the girlfriend of the son of a senator who, as he mentions, there's rumors about him being a possible VP pick.

[15:08] And he has the bland looks for it.

[15:10] Yes.

[15:11] Yeah.

[15:12] He's like a movie senator.

[15:13] Yeah.

[15:14] You know.

[15:15] And so eight months pass and lo and behold. . .

[15:17] A baby is born.

[15:20] Lo and behold, someone knows what they did last eight months ago.

[15:24] No, that's a different movie.

[15:27] Oh, someone is final destinationing. . .

[15:29] That's not even. . . I don't understand.

[15:32] The ring.

[15:33] Rosemary's baby.

[15:37] But. . .

[15:38] Someone is videodroming.

[15:40] Okay, they don't even get that reference.

[15:42] All right.

[15:43] And lo and behold, people basically just start getting picked off, slasher movie style.

[15:48] By a killer using. . .

[15:50] A tire iron.

[15:52] With knives on the ends.

[15:53] A pimped out tire iron, as one of the characters says.

[15:56] Yes.

[15:57] And he has several of them.

[15:58] Mm-hmm.

[15:59] Yeah.

[16:00] He put a lot. . .

[16:01] There's a lot of. . .

[16:02] You know, he invested a lot in those tire irons.

[16:04] Yeah.

[16:05] We watched it on. . .

[16:06] Time, money.

[16:07] We watched it on. . .

[16:08] Labor.

[16:09] On demand.

[16:10] We didn't have the DVD.

[16:11] I'd like to think that there was an extra on the DVD about the tire irons.

[16:13] I would hope so.

[16:14] Yeah.

[16:15] That's what I would want to see.

[16:16] Constructing a killer's tool, it's called.

[16:17] Oh, that sounds good.

[16:18] I would watch that.

[16:19] And I don't know that there's actually much to say about the movie plot wise, though,

[16:23] because as you would guess, people start getting picked off one by one.

[16:26] They get picked off one by one.

[16:28] The sorority girls are really irritating.

[16:30] Cassidy is trying to get to the bottom of it.

[16:33] Mm-hmm.

[16:34] While everything falls apart around her.

[16:36] Carrie Fisher is in it.

[16:37] We didn't mention.

[16:38] Yes, Carrie.

[16:39] She is the sorority house mother who shows up in about four scenes.

[16:42] Slash space princess.

[16:43] Slash space princess.

[16:44] Yeah.

[16:45] And she had. . .

[16:46] There's some. . .

[16:47] Like, we can get to it after the plot, but there's some okay. . .

[16:49] Okay kill scenes.

[16:50] Yeah.

[16:51] There's a big sorority house party.

[16:53] Mm-hmm.

[16:54] A sorority house massacre.

[16:55] Huh?

[16:56] There's a sorority house massacre.

[16:58] That's another sorority house movie.

[16:59] One of those.

[17:00] Derek.

[17:01] Okay.

[17:02] You don't need to lean in every time you have something to say.

[17:04] I set the levels.

[17:05] Right.

[17:06] No, I know.

[17:07] But sometimes I want to be pointed out.

[17:08] This is a little peek behind the curtain.

[17:09] That will be edited out.

[17:10] So there's a lot of craziness and zaniness, and they run around getting killed, and then

[17:17] eventually. . .

[17:18] Should we reveal who the killer is?

[17:20] Please do.

[17:21] It is Cassidy's boyfriend.

[17:23] What?

[17:24] Who will do anything to protect her, including murder.

[17:26] Murder.

[17:27] People.

[17:28] But that's the one person who it would hurt our heroine most if it turned out that that

[17:32] was the killer.

[17:33] And yet it does.

[17:35] Dun-dun-dun.

[17:36] And they have to fight their way out, her and Megan's sister and Ellie the nerd, in

[17:43] down sorority house to escape this monster of a guy who did this.

[17:50] And they do.

[17:51] And they do at the end.

[17:52] Who was also the valedictorian.

[17:53] He was also the valedictorian.

[17:55] He gave a speech.

[17:56] Which is why he's so good at making the entire.

[17:57] He gave a speech about how people will be judged by the company they keep at the graduation,

[18:02] and he realizes that his girlfriend keeps company with bitches, as he says.

[18:06] Now, it's unlikely in general that a valedictorian is a killer.

[18:11] However, it is more likely that a valedictorian is like a criminal mastermind, like this guy.

[18:16] Yeah, I guess.

[18:17] He apparently is.

[18:18] I mean, he devised these tire iron based weapons.

[18:21] And his cunning traps.

[18:24] A game of cat and mouse.

[18:26] Yeah, where he would text people and tell them to go places.

[18:29] And then they would.

[18:30] And he also had the brilliant idea to wear the robe that conceals him, but is also the

[18:37] graduation robe that everyone is wearing because it's graduation week.

[18:41] Ironic.

[18:42] Kind of?

[18:44] It's irony.

[18:45] Again, like what you did last summer, where the killer is dressed up as a fisherman in

[18:50] a fishing village.

[18:51] Exactly.

[18:52] The Gordon's fisherman, particularly, I think.

[18:53] I'm not sure.

[18:54] Well, I don't think that he specifically looked at a Gordon's package.

[18:58] I assume there's a scene where the killer picks up a package of fish sticks and is like,

[19:02] hmm, I found the answer I seek.

[19:06] A package of fish sticks gets thrown through his window late at night.

[19:10] And he's like, I shall become a fish stick.

[19:13] No wait, that's stupid.

[19:15] Teen murderers are a superstitious and cowardly lot.

[19:19] They will fear me if I'm a fisherman.

[19:23] As the movie goes on, the characters seem to become more and more blasé about the murders

[19:28] that are being committed until by the end, Jessica and Cassidy rush into a bathroom to

[19:34] escape the killer.

[19:35] They pull across the shower curtain and the body of their friend Megan is hanging there

[19:39] and it's almost half rotted away.

[19:42] It's just a skeleton.

[19:43] One of her eyeballs is still in it.

[19:45] And it's disgusting.

[19:46] And Jessica goes like, she looks terrible.

[19:48] And they don't even, they aren't even interested.

[19:51] Like at that point.

[19:52] And it's also this weird ADR like thing.

[19:55] It's just like tossed in.

[19:57] It's like watch out for snakes.

[20:00] in Egon? Yeah. It was like, okay, we got to joke this up a little in post. It's weird,

[20:05] this, they very, it feels like they wanted to this to be like a Jennifer's Body type

[20:11] thing where everyone's got like a sharp zinger and there's a lot of like, you know. Although

[20:17] that didn't really kick in until the last third of the movie. Like the first two thirds, I don't

[20:21] think they were doing a whole lot of that. Except for Chugs. Chugs always had that. But once Chugs

[20:25] died, I feel like everyone had to pick up the pace. I don't know, right off the bat,

[20:29] one of the characters is like, oh, you know, having sex, like, having sex with roofies,

[20:33] you get to have sex and a good night's sleep. And it's like, ha ha ha ha. It's Chugs who says it.

[20:38] Yeah, you know, and there was another there was another rape. There was not Chugs. It's not really

[20:43] like Heather's level. No, not exactly. Chugs also. It's not exactly the Lady Eve level witticisms.

[20:49] Chugs other great line of I don't want to play a game of find me, rape me. Yeah, that's right.

[20:54] When her therapist that she gets prescription drugs from, she walks into his house.

[20:59] He's apparently fucking everyone. He's Dr. Rosenberg. That's all we know about him. She

[21:03] walks into his bedroom and he's handcuffed to the bed and he goes, my last patient left early,

[21:08] but we could always finish off where my last session ended. And he offers her prescription

[21:12] drugs and she goes, OK, and then she doesn't say, OK, she's like, fine, fine. Like, just another

[21:19] depressing transaction of sex for drugs in the life of Chugs. That's Chugs. But that's before

[21:30] the therapist dies for some reason. And yeah, he gets it. He gets and that first time that leads

[21:36] to the best scene in the movie, in my opinion. Absolutely. Which is Chugs is death scene.

[21:42] Well, describe it. Why don't you? Chugs has picked up a bottle of alcohol

[21:47] from a table. Sounds delicious. And while she's waiting for the therapist to come out and have

[21:51] sex with her in exchange for drugs, this is a movie that was made. This is a movie for entertainment.

[21:57] And she's lying down. Probably. Yes. Well, it's rated R. I was reading up a little before

[22:03] that beforehand about this. I didn't know that much about it. And apparently they were thinking

[22:07] of making this a PG-13 movie and then decided to go all the way and make it an R movie,

[22:12] which is why we see a very small amount of nudity. And they say the F word a couple of times.

[22:19] It's not that small. I would say for a modern horror film, there's a fairly substantial amount

[22:23] of nudity. But for a horror film in general. For horror film in general, no. But I mean,

[22:27] that's encompassing such a grotesque and wonderful highs in the 70s and 80s.

[22:34] Oh, but anyway, so she's waiting for Dr. Rosenberg to show up to have sex with her for drugs.

[22:38] And she's lying down on the therapist's couch drinking out of this bottle. And then the killer

[22:43] appears over her and seems to take the tire and slam it against the end of the bottle so that it

[22:48] gets shoved down her mouth into her throat, then slams it again, so it gets pushed even farther

[22:54] into her throat. And what happens after that? And you see the liquid is pouring into her mouth

[23:00] and then he hits it again. And then the bottle cracks and kind of fills with blood. But it's

[23:05] such a ridiculous death scene. And it's so much more. That moment is so much more horrifying than

[23:10] I expected anything in the movie to be. Yeah, no, it was it was good. It was definitely

[23:15] they got points for that. Yeah, I mean, in general, one thing that the movie seemed to

[23:20] take a little care of was the death scenes. Yes. I mean, there was that, you know, there was the

[23:25] guy who was going down a dumbwaiter and was stopped by the tire going in right in front of

[23:31] him. And then it slowly shifted up. So another prong of the tire iron would pierce his throat.

[23:37] Right. The one that the flare gun death was a little lame. It was it was a little lame,

[23:43] but it was it got a few points for being in a bunch of like bubbles. So what you would see

[23:47] was this person being yanked under these this this huge mass of bubbles. They had a cable tied

[23:54] to their leg, basically, and they got yanked under and it looked like the beginning of Jaws

[23:58] where the one gets yanked under by the shark. Right. If Jaws had taken place in a big bubble bath.

[24:04] If someone had jumped some Mr. Bubble in the sea. The original script of Jaws did take place in a

[24:08] bubble bath. Really? I didn't realize that. We got to shut down this bath. No, it's the big season.

[24:13] And in the Benchley, no. That's right. He was a big proponent of bubble baths. But I do think it was

[24:19] disappointing. Like Chugs was the first of the girls to go and her nickname was Chugs. And she

[24:24] literally died, you know, chugging the bottle. And so it's just sort of it feels like they missed

[24:30] something. They could have nicknamed all the people. You wanted to be more of like a seven

[24:34] scenario. Yeah. You know, where everyone was hoisted by their own petard. Yeah. Where was

[24:39] the petard hoisting? There was no petard hoisting. That's a lot of petards unhoisted in this film.

[24:45] There was one petard at the beginning of the movie. There was a petard flap

[24:49] open. It opens in this huge sorority party at the sorority house. There must be 7000 people

[24:57] at this party. And there is a trampoline in the middle of the foyer with girls jumping on it.

[25:04] And they're in long underwear with the flaps in the back hanging open. And there's something

[25:09] really hilarious about it because it's like, see, nudity, but at the same time, they're wearing

[25:13] prospector old long underwear, you know, the least maybe the least sexy garment that's ever

[25:19] been worn under clothing. Well, but it's not. Let's make it clear, though. It's not like

[25:24] bright red woolen. Yeah. You weren't going to mistake them for Walter Brennan. I don't know.

[25:31] I mean, these were like these were basically just like pink onesies with like an opening in the

[25:36] back. I guess I still think it was funny. But yeah, but Eric, you look like you have something

[25:45] you want to say. No, I actually don't. Sorry. I mean, there is a dead end. There isn't two. I

[25:50] mean, the movie is very poorly directed. Oh, it's very. Yes. Or very poorly shot,

[25:55] I guess. Well, I think it's interesting because I actually think in a way it's shot. Well,

[26:01] it's just it doesn't make any sense. Like it's very it's very handheld and very like,

[26:07] you know, jumpy, which theoretically could create tension, except that it's not

[26:11] directed that way. The characters are all standing still. It's just the camera that's

[26:14] moving. Well, I give it credit, at least on the sense that it's well, it's handheld. It's handheld

[26:21] in a a non crazy way, if that makes sense. Like it's not doing that thing that I really hate

[26:29] in all modern horror movies. We're like, OK, if we like make it look at the shutter speeds,

[26:34] really screwed up or we do random flashes of light and like just like really. And they had

[26:39] they had like one moment of slow motion in the beginning and then they didn't do that.

[26:42] They didn't do that very much. Yeah. Which gets overdone. It was it was it was a more classic

[26:48] mode of filming than most horror movies today. It's just that the problem was they would shoot

[26:56] like half of a face or just a person's midriff and you'd be like, where is everyone in relation

[27:02] to everyone else? Yeah. Who is this? Well, and I am I forgot to mention the other best scene

[27:07] in the movie as far as I'm concerned, which is Carrie Fisher's fight scene. Oh, yeah,

[27:12] that's very good. Any movie you can say that about Carrie Fisher's fight scene,

[27:16] you can use those words. Well, she just said she shows up back. I mean, we see her in the

[27:20] beginning and then she disappears for a good 40 minutes or so. Yeah. And she probably had like

[27:25] a day of shooting with her. Right. You know, but they like she had to prepare for her show off

[27:30] her Broadway one man show. One woman. Actually, when it's a woman, they call it a one woman show.

[27:34] Really? Yeah. When did they start that? Women's Lib. All right. I mean, the opposite. Yeah,

[27:40] that's I mean, well, one person show one one person. Well, yeah. When we're on a slippery

[27:47] slope film. Yeah. Anyway, she's right in and tell us what you're what you're calling your

[27:55] your stage pieces, your solo stage pieces. But so she she's like left them to have the house

[28:01] on their own. That's the tradition because they're seniors. They've just graduated. The

[28:05] senior girls get to free reign of the house for one day, for one night. And so she comes back

[28:11] and they've, of course, had a giant party and trashed the place. Now, yes, a few people have

[28:15] been murdered in it. But I don't think Carrie Fisher knows. She doesn't know that yet. Now

[28:19] she shows up with a shotgun, the pump action shotgun. Yeah. Yeah. And then she immediately

[28:26] she pops one of her charges in the nose. Yeah. She she hits Jessica in the face with the butt

[28:32] of it. Right. I mean, granted, Jessica has an ax that she almost swings. She does swing it.

[28:37] And Carrie Fisher just misses her. Yeah. But why she has a shotgun in the first place?

[28:42] Little unclear. And then she goes to the kitchen and the killer is stalking her.

[28:45] And she's just blasting away with this shotgun. And she has like a million rounds in it.

[28:49] Well, you have to think that, like, I guess Carrie Fisher, like on her weekend away from

[28:54] the sorority house, she was down to the shooting range. I mean, that's how she gets at her.

[28:57] Or she's a hit man or something. Or it could be. Oh, wow. I want to see that movie.

[29:01] Yeah. But but also we should mention already hit man. For those of you that when you watch

[29:06] these movies have your cliche checklist, they did have a few great ones. One in that scene

[29:11] where her her shotgun, of course, you know, she's shooting like crazy. And then it finally

[29:17] jams at the moment when the killer is right coming at her. Yeah. And she almost gets it

[29:22] done in time, but not quite. There was also earlier in the movie, there was a girl in a basement

[29:28] with a flashlight and the flashlight, of course, starts, you know, getting dim. Yeah. I've never

[29:33] actually seen that happen that way, where it gets a little bit dim and then you shake it and you get

[29:38] a little bit and then and then it just dies completely. Have you ever had that? I think I

[29:42] may actually have. I don't remember. All right. But I mean, I don't carry around flashlights a

[29:47] lot. But that's also she's in the basement of a sorority house and she finds like a corner of

[29:52] hell in it, like just she she finds a place where it's all lit red and it's, you know,

[29:57] they make it look like there's flame going on somewhere like it.

[30:00] maybe she reaches the hot water heater the boiler

[30:02] but it looks like

[30:03] there's like a blast furnace or a you're a foundry like in the basement of this

[30:07] sorority house

[30:09] now eric you said that you worked with carrie fisher on a lifetime movie i was

[30:14] oxygen actually i did

[30:15] uh... was a call that was called romancing the bride

[30:19] actually i didn't three

[30:21] movies for oxygen

[30:22] uh... i had a little stretch for that that was what i was dead

[30:26] uh... and i decided that i actually had played

[30:29] a uh... a mexican hotel worker

[30:33] it took place in mexico

[30:36] you follow you know i like in the the tradition of jewish guys playing

[30:39] mexicans well that was my motivation certainly

[30:42] uh... but no it took place in mexico it was a uh...

[30:45] uh... i spoke no english in the mail at one line basically that was in

[30:49] uh...

[30:50] in spanish actually

[30:53] uh... and leave it

[30:55] to you know

[30:56] as it was

[30:58] leave it to me but no i don't interest as you said you're lying in the other

[31:01] thing is leave it to me and now

[31:02] but i don't know if it is

[31:04] it's not a lot of meals i'm not i'm not a schwarzenegger like it's not like i

[31:08] have a catchphrase

[31:10] so that's your catchphrase leave it to me no that's not the one line that everyone

[31:14] was waiting at home and it was like you say you're lying john adams everyone's

[31:16] like

[31:17] yeah yeah yeah yeah and then i don't want to have all these leave it to me

[31:21] t-shirts with your face on it i was going to give out as prizes

[31:26] uh... no

[31:28] uh... but yes she was she was actually she was great she played the the mother

[31:32] of the

[31:33] bride and uh...

[31:35] and a little bit of interaction with her not a whole lot but uh...

[31:38] you know she's character but she was great

[31:41] character fisher

[31:42] did you?

[31:43] nice

[31:44] did you not see?

[31:45] no

[31:46] oh really?

[31:47] i mean did you hand her the script

[31:49] for sorority row

[31:52] i asked the thing that i think you'd be more grateful. No but actually thinking about it. Because he's her agent.

[31:57] I was saying you should really be a house mother at a sorority where things go

[32:02] crazy but if that happens

[32:04] bring a shotgun

[32:06] well this leads into the other question i was going to ask you which is uh...

[32:09] now you work

[32:10] aside from acting you work in casting

[32:13] yes now watching this film

[32:15] what were the big casting mistakes how would you have cast things differently

[32:18] you can't look at it i mean you know not to deflect your question but that's

[32:23] sort of an unfair way to look at anything i personally

[32:26] i think a lot of people say a movie is

[32:28] badly cast when the reality is that it's just badly written

[32:32] i don't i mean they were certainly archetypes they were certainly different

[32:36] girls one of them was asian

[32:38] exactly which stood out and they all had large chests

[32:43] but different kinds of large chests

[32:45] i guess so

[32:47] uh... no i think i mean this kind of movie you know i don't know that uh...

[32:51] the casting didn't

[32:53] bother me per se

[32:55] i don't know that's sort of an evasive answer i suppose

[32:58] there's just so little to the thing is there's nothing to this movie

[33:02] there was no like

[33:04] i mean we were joking about it watching a little at the beginning that the chugs

[33:08] character seemed to be

[33:10] i thought she was bulimic

[33:12] this is why i thought her nickname was chunks or chucks

[33:16] she threw up she was kissing a guy

[33:18] he was like you taste like vomit and her response was yeah i just threw up but i

[33:21] took a mint so you're okay

[33:24] uh... which he didn't uh...

[33:27] he didn't then go through with it i like that moment because he's he's like a

[33:30] freshman and she's in there in the kitchen of the sorority house and she's kissing him

[33:33] and says you taste like throw up and she says blah blah and then

[33:36] she sits on the tile and she's like oh i forgot to wear underwear it's cold here

[33:39] will you

[33:39] warm me up and he's like

[33:41] uh... i'm kind of grossed out by this and and like

[33:44] i like that

[33:45] there was one character in the movie who wasn't like

[33:48] uh... this is what i do is i have sex this is all about college yeah you're

[33:52] reprehensible

[33:54] well i have some standards here chugs but we did not

[33:57] we did not follow that guy i kind of wish the movie had been about him yeah

[34:02] uh... and thirty years later

[34:04] when he realizes i could have had sex with that girl why didn't i do that

[34:08] oh that would be interesting later on

[34:10] yeah he's he's happily in a relationship but he's still kind of like

[34:14] oh man i should have

[34:16] should have been crazier when i was younger

[34:18] and that's the wistful character study

[34:20] and then he's like well she's dead i can't have sex with her anymore she got

[34:23] killed in that horrible murder

[34:26] remember that? on sorority row

[34:28] well that's the thing weird the end of the guys

[34:32] ah thank god we didn't go to that party right?

[34:34] the end of the movie

[34:35] they've rebuilt the sorority house that burned down and it's like the next year

[34:39] and there's a big party again

[34:40] and it's like

[34:41] did we did nothing get learned from the sorority massacre that took place?

[34:45] well that's the moral of the film that's the indictment of the greek system

[34:48] it certainly is

[34:50] you mean democracy?

[34:52] no i mean uh...

[34:54] uh... socratic dialogue? i mean anal sex is what i'm talking about

[34:59] oh okay

[35:02] what? jaw dropped open

[35:04] uh... flop house blue

[35:06] but no it ends with the the girl who's the daughter of

[35:09] uh... the sister

[35:10] sister daughter uh... i had a chinatown thing i couldn't split it in two parts

[35:17] uh... anyone who hasn't seen chinatown? sorry

[35:20] ghostwriter in theaters now

[35:24] uh... but the sister of megan who's the one killed at the beginning

[35:28] becomes a character she shows up later and is supposed to i guess be a red herring

[35:32] that maybe she's the killer you're supposed to think she's the killer

[35:35] i don't know she weighs like yeah eighty pounds and

[35:38] if it came out that she was the one killing these people you'd just be like

[35:41] that's insane she could never actually do that yeah but she wasn't

[35:44] no but she was bitchy uh... but it does it ends with her

[35:48] having joined the sorority in the new house

[35:50] the sorority that killed her sister and also where she almost died in a fire and

[35:54] by tire iron

[35:56] and yet she's there with feathered hair

[35:59] uh... partying up partying with the other theta pi's

[36:02] theta pi is the sorority so and then there's a last shot

[36:06] which implies that another character from the movie

[36:09] the crazy brother garrett

[36:11] who you thought had been had slit his own throats and had been hit by his slit his

[36:14] wrist and then got hit by a car we didn't think that those things did happen you saw it

[36:18] happen on screen but you thought he was dead as a result right yes

[36:22] but that he is uh...

[36:23] back right as one of the gardeners working at the new

[36:27] sorority house

[36:28] and it's really not that much of a surprise so it sets it up for sorority row two

[36:31] it was not that much of a surprise that

[36:33] that he wasn't dead because the one thing the girls were not very good at

[36:36] was uh... making sure that people were dead

[36:40] i mean megan ultimately was but they weren't all that sure that she was they

[36:44] also weren't good at uh...

[36:46] watching people who were only pretending to be dead because at the beginning

[36:49] they're all like okay well let's all turn our backs on our sorority sister who was

[36:54] pretending to be dead

[36:55] and walk off pretending to look for

[36:57] sharp rocks to dismember the body which is absurd yeah uh... we'll leave the

[37:02] distraught guy behind with the body and then we'll just turn our backs

[37:06] next thing you know he plunges a tire iron into her chest

[37:10] to let the air out of her lungs

[37:12] so that she won't float to the top of

[37:14] i assume water but then they throw her into a dry well

[37:18] there's really no reason

[37:19] there's also like

[37:20] there are certain points where the movie just decides that it's not gonna

[37:23] care anymore yeah like

[37:25] uh... cassidy is going is

[37:27] being lowered into the hold they dropped the megan's body and to see if

[37:30] she's still there

[37:31] and

[37:32] she gets and that chain that they're lowering her on breaks and she falls to

[37:36] the ground

[37:37] and she sees on the wall in blood it says theta pi must die which shows a lot

[37:41] of commitment on the part of the killer by the way yeah well he was the

[37:44] valedictorian okay

[37:47] and uh...

[37:48] and uh...

[37:49] he would goes all out a for effort but i don't show and then it's like

[37:54] i don't remember a missed if there is a line that was like well we've got some

[37:57] rope like

[37:58] she's just stuck in the bottom of the well cut to the next scene

[38:01] that they walk back into the house like did she climb out what happened

[38:05] i think she climbed out

[38:06] that's my thought

[38:07] i mean i'm a on their their gaps i fill it by on to repair alia

[38:11] with the movie been better

[38:13] if we saw her climbing out in a row

[38:15] i think that has been better if they had to deal with the fact that she was at

[38:17] the bottom of a well and there is killer after that

[38:20] was that could in the home of the city of the one that will be cut for you it's

[38:23] called the ruins

[38:25] uh... if the wind up bird chronicle can have its main character at the bottom of

[38:29] a well

[38:30] for like a hundred pages spoiler alert

[38:33] indicate okay

[38:35] then

[38:36] that way america me family so that i have to work on the road sorority row

[38:40] okay

[38:42] that's why there was a cat in it but i think that one of the borough has not

[38:45] been

[38:47] he did uh... an uncredited polish along with uh...

[38:50] that's why the characters that much time making pasta and doing their laundry

[38:53] was also a little bit earlier on the fence because he did a polish on it but

[38:58] he didn't japanese uh...

[39:01] i get cha

[39:02] well we should uh... ramp up our discussion talking for a while we have a

[39:06] lot more say about sorority row that we would you know it's uh... way

[39:10] if you're right because i think there's nothing to be said about a movie and

[39:13] then uh...

[39:14] and tape starts rolling

[39:16] and there were just a recording tape

[39:18] uh...

[39:19] she has a dad machine actually

[39:22] taping over a mixtape the damage

[39:25] he's got to see my little bits of uh... tears for fears or uh...

[39:30] uh... the string cheese incident but i think i

[39:33] you podcast listeners feel good that i'm recording over my treasured memories

[39:37] that he's got a he's got a circuit nineteen eighty seven boom box

[39:41] he's got the record and play button press together

[39:43] he has to hold down with his fingers though

[39:45] they don't stay down anymore

[39:49] alright we're speaking to the tiny microphone slits

[39:52] on the side of the boom box

[39:55] the uh... what we do now is we render our final judgments before

[40:00] uh... god

[40:03] before consigning

[40:04] sorority road to the trash heap of flophouse episode and uh... the

[40:09] categories are was this a good bad movie a bad bad movie

[40:13] or movie that you actually enjoyed in some way

[40:16] and uh...

[40:17] we give you time to stew on that eric and i'm going to go to ellio see he can't

[40:21] he can't

[40:22] he can't bring up stewart

[40:26] well wait so i think i think you know you know what i a m i don't think i'm

[40:30] gonna go as far as say this is a movie actually like a little bit

[40:33] but i think maybe it's just that my mind has been ruined by all the really

[40:36] terrible movies we watch before this one

[40:39] but i'm gonna upgrade it from bad bad to good bad

[40:42] there were a couple okay kills in it

[40:45] it went by very quickly

[40:47] uh... there's a lot of cleavage in it

[40:49] uh...

[40:50] compared to whiteout

[40:52] this was a non-stop thrill ride so maybe it's just that this is coming after a

[40:56] couple movies in a row that were like not that were really

[40:59] mind vaporizing but i'm gonna give this

[41:01] good bad

[41:03] status

[41:04] eric you wanna weigh in

[41:06] uh... yeah i well so those are my three categories uh... i uh... or you can

[41:10] abandon them we may abandon them a little bit just because i think that it

[41:14] is it is a

[41:15] i would put it in that category of

[41:19] it is exactly what

[41:22] you expected to be

[41:23] no better

[41:24] no worse like i was sort of hope those movies will be better than i think they

[41:28] are but realistically this is exactly what i expected it to be

[41:31] see what i'm gonna differ with you is i've seen

[41:34] enough bad movies

[41:36] that i can say this is actually better than i expected it to be

[41:40] yeah i i feel that way too

[41:42] i mean just because like it's still crappy

[41:44] yes but so many modern

[41:47] horror uh... especially like

[41:49] teen horror remakes

[41:51] are

[41:52] completely boring

[41:54] uh... they don't

[41:55] they don't offer any sort of like yeah movie like prom night yeah

[41:59] they don't offer any sort of disreputable thrills like

[42:02] what i have to say about this movie is to me it straddles

[42:05] uh... a movie i kind of enjoyed and uh... a good bad movie simply on the basis of

[42:12] it seeming to want to be

[42:14] trashy it's like making a few stabs in that direction

[42:18] stabs

[42:20] wordsmith

[42:21] with ladies snap them up

[42:22] with the kills and the cleavage and the

[42:25] some

[42:26] nudity and the just like

[42:29] silly like attempts of

[42:31] being like goofy and there were some real like over-the-top moments that were kind of fun

[42:35] it had like it's a movie where

[42:38] like the characters have gone through all the stuff and yelling and then it

[42:40] ends with them like

[42:41] walking away from the burning house in slo-mo while some kind of like

[42:45] you know girl pop

[42:46] power anthem plays in the background i think if they had just if they could have just

[42:50] cut like ten minutes off of it and just moved it faster well that's the problem

[42:54] yeah there should have been less really entertaining less talk and more the entertaining stuff is

[42:59] uh... you know between

[43:02] it's buffered by a long scenes of people talking to each other and saying

[43:05] absolutely nothing yeah

[43:06] it's like a video game that has really long like scenes between levels cut

[43:10] scenes yeah cut scenes and you're like i don't really care

[43:14] like what samus aran's father is doing right now like we could just uh... just shoot more

[43:19] metroids you know

[43:21] uh... i don't understand either

[43:24] that's for all the listeners that don't get what you're talking about metroid one of the most popular

[43:28] video game series ever

[43:30] metroid

[43:32] okay well how about this

[43:33] i don't really care what yoshi is up to

[43:36] i just wanted fight more bowsers how about that

[43:40] yeah you know the bowser family

[43:43] i thought you know maybe some koopas

[43:45] some goombas whatever i don't know

[43:48] is that super mario brothers yes okay

[43:50] oh you found a way to look like that i saw the movie i saw the movie

[43:54] i believe that's how you know the characters

[43:56] i don't care how about this

[43:58] i don't care what uh... ms pac-man is up to right now i know this one

[44:02] i just want to eat more power pellets

[44:05] no

[44:06] we're moving on

[44:07] you know what i don't really care what these pongs are doing i just want to pong more pong

[44:14] i feel like i should know that one

[44:16] give me a minute

[44:17] alright so this is the uh... letter section

[44:21] this is my favorite part

[44:22] we have a final few uh... entries in the give dan a hook competition

[44:27] and i want to say some some listeners have discovered it already

[44:31] i've put up

[44:32] a

[44:33] poll

[44:34] on the website

[44:35] uh... to find it

[44:37] p-o-l-l

[44:39] i don't know why i found it funny

[44:41] gary is laughing so childishly

[44:42] a p-o-l-l

[44:44] i've put up a giant erect penis

[44:47] this is the way you emphasized it

[44:50] snap him up ladies

[44:51] i've put a poll on the uh...

[44:54] on the website

[44:57] that people can vote on uh... their favorite suggestion for my hook to make

[45:01] me more a more memorable member of the flop house because as we've noted many

[45:05] times on the show

[45:06] dan is the uh... leonardo or the cyclops of the group

[45:10] he is the necessary leader holds us together

[45:13] inspiring noble

[45:14] unmemorable nobody likes him not thrilling

[45:16] as opposed to i already have a catchphrase

[45:19] yeah it's me

[45:21] in one episode you become

[45:23] have more of a hook than dan does

[45:25] so uh... i'm gonna

[45:27] it's already on the website but i'll put a link

[45:29] in this show's notes too

[45:31] uh... and whatever gets the most votes

[45:34] the person who

[45:36] made the suggestion will get

[45:37] fabulous prizes but

[45:39] mhm

[45:40] anyway uh... some last minute suggestions

[45:43] from ben last name withheld

[45:47] in the quest for dan's hook

[45:48] i think dan should

[45:50] right away

[45:51] i'm watching that movie the quest for dan's hook

[45:54] four adventurers

[45:56] will join forces i think dan should turn to a secret weapon

[46:00] i happen to know that dan does a good imitation of sir michael cain

[46:04] star of stage and screen it's true

[46:06] it is true

[46:07] my thought is that his hook

[46:09] will be rendering the final judgements in the style of various michael cain characters

[46:14] thrill as alfred elkins calls powder blue

[46:16] derivative claptrap

[46:18] wonder as jack carter trashes from justin t kelly

[46:22] for his terrible art direction

[46:24] dare to keep from wetting yourself

[46:26] as alfred pennyworth

[46:28] deconstructs brads to

[46:30] the clicketing

[46:32] the possibilities are endless and will further submit dan's place in the podcast hall of

[46:36] fame

[46:37] in construction now

[46:38] in pierre south dakota

[46:40] uh... p.s. stewart left out the highest form of comedy in his criticism of the ugly truth

[46:45] the animal double take

[46:46] i trust this will be rectified

[46:48] oh i'm sure stewart has much to say on the animal double take

[46:52] now uh... ben was scooped a little by ashley who also put in michael cain as an

[46:56] alternate to a mournful sign but uh...

[46:59] i want to bring up this michael cain thing because your hook is either

[47:02] an imitation of michael cain or a mournful sign

[47:07] uh... eric you and i hosted a couple of comedy shows as michael cain and bob

[47:12] hoskins yes i did i saw one of those yeah i uh... played bob hoskins you played

[47:18] michael cain which makes sense because we're talking about your your michael

[47:21] cain impression yeah which i feel like i sort of slipped as i was reading the

[47:25] yeah i haven't done i honestly i don't think i've done

[47:27] uh... my hoskins since we last did it which is a couple years ago yeah

[47:31] and uh... we didn't have anything this is probably not gonna happen if you

[47:34] know they're going to paint a picture for the listeners it was a lot of

[47:38] uh... us making fun of each other's film choices it was character

[47:42] as in like uh...

[47:44] we should you should know super mario brothers because i was like

[47:48] uh... did you learn that when you were on super mario brothers with john

[47:52] leguizamo

[47:54] that particular style of acting that you're employing right now

[47:59] and it would go go on right and then i would respond in some way like hoskins

[48:03] uh...

[48:06] about the swarm

[48:07] you know it was a revenge of the revenge

[48:11] uh... cider house rules no that's actually it's a quality film

[48:15] well we can argue it later

[48:17] we could but i'm not sure that it would

[48:20] go well but no we also we invented a holiday in those shows which i was very

[48:24] proud of

[48:25] uh... we held we we hosted a

[48:28] uh...

[48:29] at july fourth

[48:31] show but it was just a holiday

[48:33] uh... was july fifth and so we we made it good riddance day

[48:36] yeah which was a british holiday

[48:38] they celebrated good riddance to the americans and i'd probably i'm now like

[48:44] homeland security is going to be all over me for saying this oh yeah they

[48:47] listen to gerard butler and homeland security the only people that listen to this podcast

[48:50] especially because your uh... hook for me is that i hate

[48:53] uh...

[48:54] that you're a terrorist basically that you're an anti-government

[48:58] my hook for dan but i suggest is he's an anti-government gun nut militia member

[49:02] who loves he lives in a cabin

[49:04] he loves the anarchist cookbook

[49:07] he puts out a newsletter called the golden eagle

[49:11] i'm not sure that's a hook

[49:12] alright we're running out of time so we're going to speed through the rest of this

[49:16] brendanlastnamewithheld says

[49:18] i didn't realize the give dan a hook contest was still going but since it is

[49:22] uh... here's my entry dan's hooks should be hooks

[49:25] literal hooks

[49:26] dan can be the guy who has hooks for hands a la harold russell from the best

[49:30] years of our lives

[49:31] think about it mechanical hooks will win dan loads of sympathy

[49:34] and possibly even an honorary oscar plus

[49:37] think of all the sound effects possibilities

[49:39] is that a serial killer at the window

[49:42] nope just dan's hook scraping along a chalkboard

[49:44] sometimes the best ideas are the most obvious this is one of those times

[49:48] make dan's hook hooks that's not a bad one he was the only man to win

[49:53] two academy awards in one year for the same role that is true which is i was

[49:57] going to say what's the guy's name who wrote this in

[50:00] The last name is like the middle name, so it's Brendan Withheld.

[50:09] I feel like he got it a little bit wrong, implying that Harold Russell only won an honorary

[50:13] award.

[50:14] He also won Best Supporting Actor.

[50:15] He was also great in Inside Moves as well, which he did not win an Academy Award for.

[50:25] He could have been that great if he didn't win an Academy Award for it.

[50:28] Brian, last name Withheld, said, when is Elliot going to get his best friend Anne Hathaway

[50:36] on the show as a guest host?

[50:39] Not as if Amanda wasn't a great guest, it's just if he's going to continuously name drop

[50:43] Anne Hathaway.

[50:44] I never do.

[50:45] I never have.

[50:46] Anyway, I think SciGuyHook wins just because it gives Elliot so much to work with.

[50:53] How is Anne Hathaway, by the way?

[50:55] Don't know.

[50:56] I haven't seen or talked to her since probably my senior year, her junior year of high school.

[51:02] If we ever talked to them.

[51:03] So you're a year older than Anne Hathaway.

[51:05] I am.

[51:06] Everyone's on IMDb trying to figure out how old Anne Hathaway is and then figure out how

[51:09] old you are.

[51:10] They could just look up how old I am on IMDb because I'm right there.

[51:14] Ooh, I've been on IMDb.

[51:16] Or Wikipedia.

[51:18] You're on Wikipedia?

[51:19] Yeah.

[51:20] With your age?

[51:21] I mean, it says what year I was born.

[51:24] So Elliot's one up on you because you're just on IMDb.

[51:27] I'm on IMDb.

[51:28] But I don't know my age on IMDb.

[51:29] Actually, a lot of today at the office, we figured out the IMDb fame tracker system or

[51:34] star tracker or whatever it is, and we were seeing who in the writing staff is more famous

[51:38] than who else in the writing staff.

[51:39] I thought you were going to say that you were going to game the system to make you all much

[51:43] more famous.

[51:44] No, no way.

[51:45] We were just trying to see who's famous.

[51:47] I was right in the middle of the writing staff.

[51:49] Huh, that sounds about right.

[51:50] Probably because of the Flophouse.

[51:53] Could be.

[51:54] Gerard Butler probably gave you a bunch of good reviews.

[51:56] He puts a lot of comments on the page, yeah.

[51:58] Exactly.

[51:59] So guys, we should make our recommendations quickly of movies that we've seen recently

[52:05] and actually enjoyed that one might watch instead of Sorority Row, say, even though

[52:11] we kind of enjoyed Sorority Row a little bit.

[52:13] But people shouldn't watch it.

[52:14] Yeah, well, I mean, if you like trashy horror movies, it's fine, but I would recommend seeing

[52:19] a movie with sorority in the title from the 80s, because at least then you'll have a lot

[52:24] more gratuitous shower scenes.

[52:28] True.

[52:29] Don't make me act to be the pervert.

[52:33] Someone's got to be.

[52:34] Stewart's not here.

[52:36] I feel like you guys both gave it a more positive review than I did, and yet I'm the one that

[52:41] would be saying, listen, if you think you want to see this movie, go see it, because

[52:44] it's going to be what, you know, you're going to get what you think you're going to get.

[52:47] Yeah, that's true.

[52:49] I'm sure you have an old movie to recommend.

[52:53] Sure.

[52:54] I think I will recommend what I saw.

[52:57] I have a recommendation and a plug.

[52:59] My recommendation, I recently saw the original, not the original, actually, the first sound

[53:04] version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with Frederick March, for which he tied for best actor with

[53:12] the Star of the Champ.

[53:13] Wallace Beery.

[53:14] Wallace Beery, thank you.

[53:17] But it's a movie that has a bunch of really good scenes that are mixed in with a bunch

[53:22] of kind of dull talkie scenes, but it's a neat, it's worth watching and like occasionally

[53:27] like skimming through the talkie scenes for the scenes with him as Hyde, because he's

[53:32] so like, he looks like a caveman kind of, but he's still walking around London talking

[53:38] to people.

[53:40] And when the movie gets kind of violent and crazy, it gets really good, and there's some

[53:44] neat things that they do with the camera, neat editing things that they do, and a really

[53:49] neat fight scene at the end, especially from a movie from 31, I think, where it doesn't

[53:57] feel as stagey as a lot of movies back then.

[54:00] It feels like a movie from the late 30s in terms of the camera work and the way it is

[54:04] put together, as opposed to a movie from the early 30s.

[54:07] That's probably because it's directed by Ruben Mamoulian, who was more into experimenting

[54:11] with what he was doing.

[54:13] So that's the one I'd recommend Netflix, that's the one I'd recommend flixing, or Netflixing.

[54:18] Is that what they say?

[54:19] I think so.

[54:20] Is that what they say?

[54:21] But if you're looking to see a movie in person, then this episode will be up before April

[54:25] 7th, right?

[54:26] Yes.

[54:27] On April 7th, if you're in the New York area, I'll have my next closely-watched film screening.

[54:31] It's the movie Kill!

[54:32] Exclamation point.

[54:34] Kill!

[54:36] Kill!

[54:37] It's a Japanese movie from 1968, and it is a samurai action satire, and it's very good,

[54:46] and I'd recommend it.

[54:47] And cartoonist Evan Dorkin will be joining us to talk about the film afterwards.

[54:50] Best known for Milk and Cheese.

[54:52] Milk and Cheese.

[54:53] Dork.

[54:54] He just had a series recently called Beasts of Burden about house pets that solve crimes.

[54:59] Space Ghost.

[55:00] Coast to Coast.

[55:01] Yes.

[55:02] Good stuff.

[55:03] Good stuff.

[55:05] Eric, do you have a recommendation?

[55:06] Well, I will go with the last movie.

[55:11] Also on video, I saw this, or DVD, it's not watching VHS.

[55:18] I watched mine on VHS, so, yeah.

[55:21] Wow.

[55:22] It's coming back.

[55:23] But a great movie.

[55:24] I'd seen, obviously, before, but I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it in a long time.

[55:29] North by Northwest.

[55:30] Oh, sure.

[55:31] Just, I loved it.

[55:32] I always thought it was one of my favorites, and I watched it again, and was blown away

[55:38] all again.

[55:39] When you see the movies now that are coming out that are trying to be these adventure

[55:43] sort of comedy, sort of adventure, real thriller elements, and all those things, and they just

[55:48] don't work.

[55:49] This is just such a fantastic example of how you make it all work, and a brilliant star

[55:56] turn from Cary Grant.

[55:59] They're all really good.

[56:00] James Mason is great in that.

[56:01] Martin Lando is really good in that, even when he's saying he's good in that.

[56:03] It's all great, and it's just amazing.

[56:06] It starts so quickly.

[56:07] Leo G. Carroll.

[56:08] Leo G. Carroll is very good in it.

[56:11] Bernard Herman's score is really great.

[56:13] Fantastic.

[56:14] It's all Bass's titles.

[56:15] Sherman's layman screenplay.

[56:18] All of these things about it are great.

[56:20] Hitchcock's cameo, trying to get on the bus.

[56:24] The guy who piloted the crop duster.

[56:28] Which, by the way, I didn't realize this then in Extras, that wasn't planned.

[56:33] That plane actually crashed and blew up.

[56:36] That's not true.

[56:37] No.

[56:38] Yeah.

[56:39] It was all planned.

[56:40] Hitchcock was not one of those directors where something would happen and he'd go,

[56:42] go with it.

[56:43] Go with it.

[56:44] It was like Borat.

[56:45] Make it real, everybody.

[56:46] It was like Borat.

[56:47] They just sent Cary Grant out there.

[56:49] Cary Grant didn't know he was in a movie.

[56:51] They made him think that he was framed for murder and on the run, and that people thought

[56:54] he was a spy, and they just wanted to see what would happen.

[56:57] Well, I'm going to recommend a movie that is, at best, one-eighth the thriller that

[57:02] North by Northwest is.

[57:04] Keep selling it.

[57:05] All I'm saying is, if you haven't seen North by Northwest, watch that, but a newer movie

[57:12] that I watched recently that I actually enjoyed a surprising amount was A Perfect Getaway.

[57:17] Oh.

[57:18] It had Steve Zahn, Mia Jovovich, Timothy Oliphant, and it was written and directed by-

[57:25] An elephant.

[57:26] An elephant.

[57:27] That's right.

[57:28] It's an elephant.

[57:29] Timothy Oliphant.

[57:30] It was written and directed by David Tuohy, who did Pitch Black, which is a movie a lot

[57:34] of people like, and I think it's just okay.

[57:36] I like Pitch Black.

[57:37] It's no Chronicles Riddick, but-

[57:40] But it's A Perfect Getaway.

[57:43] It's about a couple of honeymooners in Hawaii.

[57:47] Wait.

[57:48] It's the honeymooners go to Hawaii?

[57:49] It's about a couple of honeymooners in Hawaii who are walking a very deserted trail to a

[57:57] deserted beach, and there's a news item about a couple that had been killed, and another

[58:04] couple is supposed to be responsible, and they encounter two other couples on this deserted

[58:10] trail.

[58:11] Oh, my God.

[58:12] Who's one of them?

[58:13] The killers?

[58:14] It's like Shoot to Kill.

[58:15] Oh, I saw the trailer for this.

[58:16] It's like Shoot to Kill, but with couples.

[58:17] Yeah.

[58:18] And it's Ralph Bramden and his wife, and Art Carney.

[58:21] It gets a little too cute with some of the meta stuff about it.

[58:26] One of the characters is a screenwriter, and sort of references certain thriller tropes,

[58:33] but-

[58:34] So, Shoot to Kill meets Scream.

[58:35] But they do have a lot of fun just setting up real thriller plot points and paying them

[58:41] off, and most movies I feel these days set up thriller plot points and then forget about

[58:48] them.

[58:49] So, it's a pleasure just to see a movie that bothers paying off on things.

[58:52] Well, that's good.

[58:53] And I mean, I guess the twist to the film basically in the opening credits, but it was

[59:00] still enjoyable even so.

[59:03] It's a movie, and yet you liked it more than North by Northwest.

[59:07] You said, and I quote, and I think the listeners will back me up on this, here's a movie that

[59:10] is eight times better than North by Northwest.

[59:12] That's what I heard.

[59:13] That's absolutely what I heard.

[59:14] Okay.

[59:15] We're going to look at the tape and look at that, but for now, I'm Dan McCoy.

[59:21] I'm Elliot Caitlin.

[59:22] I'm Eric Zuckerman.

[59:23] Good night.

[59:24] The rich rolling tones of Dan McCoy.

[59:38] The rich rolling hills of Dan McCoy.

[59:40] Do you have a mute button for us for like when we're getting into it?

[59:45] I wish.

[59:46] You can just go.

[59:47] Nope, he doesn't, but he wishes.

[59:48] Yeah.

[59:49] I would use that on Stuart and Elliot so often.

The Flop House: Episode #57 - Sorority Row

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