The Flop House: Episode #57 - Sorority Row

Dan McCoy

[0:00] In this episode, we wait until Stuart is out of the country before watching the movie about nubile sorority sisters.

[0:08] We discuss Sorority Row.

[0:30] Sorority Row.

S2

[1:00] What about Superman?

[1:03] No, I have been called that.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06] What about Suckerman?

Dan McCoy

[1:07] Well, in inevitable Flophouse fashion, we've alienated the audience right off the bat.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11] Instant tangent. Just add Flophouse.

Dan McCoy

[1:14] The point is, before we got distracted, we were going to introduce Eric, our guest, who is stepping in for Stuart, who is nude on the Mexican Riviera as we speak.

[1:25] I have no comment on that.

[1:28] And we tried to get in.

Elliott Kalan

[1:30] When you said nude on the Mexican Riviera, I had an image of Stuart in a backpack and pith helmet climbing nude up the side of a Mayan pyramid.

[1:39] And shouting down to somebody who's taking pictures of him at ground level.

Dan McCoy

[1:42] To his lover.

Elliott Kalan

[1:43] Yeah, I guess so.

Dan McCoy

[1:45] Who's getting a good angle on his taint from down there.

[1:48] Wow.

[1:49] Anyway.

[1:49] Is that what goes on in this show?

[1:51] Well, sometimes.

[1:53] So, yeah.

[1:54] We tried to get the whole gang back together last week, but it didn't work out.

[1:58] Partly because I was having nose surgery.

Elliott Kalan

[2:01] You were having nose surgery?

[2:03] Then what's the problem?

Dan McCoy

[2:03] Yeah, I think you need to enunciate better.

[2:05] I was having nose surgery.

Elliott Kalan

[2:08] Nose surgery.

[2:09] Yeah.

[2:09] I mean, everything's fine.

[2:11] A zero amount of surgery.

Dan McCoy

[2:13] That pun would work if surgery was actually a word.

Elliott Kalan

[2:16] But, yeah, you had an operation done on your nasal area.

Dan McCoy

[2:20] Do I sound different, listeners?

[2:22] Write in and tell me whether the resonance of my nasal cavity is changing my voice.

S2

[2:28] It does sound like your septum is less deviated.

[2:31] Yeah, a little bit less deviant.

Dan McCoy

[2:32] Yeah.

[2:33] Deviant?

[2:33] It was living a deviant lifestyle before.

[2:35] My septum, the pornography that my septum has been looking at recently has been very vanilla.

[2:40] Wow.

[2:40] Good to know.

[2:42] But, Eric.

[2:43] Yes, sir.

[2:44] You are an actor.

[2:47] I am.

[2:48] You have had...

[2:49] You've been in major motion pictures.

[2:51] Speaking roles in Steven Spielberg's War of the Worlds.

[2:54] I have.

[2:55] True.

[2:55] Baby Mama.

[2:56] That's another one.

[2:57] True.

[2:58] The Bounty Hunter in theaters now.

[2:59] John Adams.

[3:00] True.

[3:01] True.

[3:01] The HBO series.

[3:03] The HBO miniseries.

[3:04] True.

[3:05] Can you do the line that you did in either John Adams or War of the Worlds?

[3:09] I'll leave it up to you.

[3:11] Okay.

S2

[3:12] Wow.

[3:13] That's, you know, I mean, a lot of prep goes into the...

[3:16] I don't...

[3:18] I honestly...

[3:19] I don't think I actually remember my...

[3:21] The exact words of the War of the Worlds at the moment.

[3:24] You're playing the character who's listed in the credits as Doomsday Guy.

[3:27] That is correct.

[3:28] Doomsday Guy.

[3:30] In John Adams, I played Thomas McCain, Senator...

[3:35] John McCain's father.

[3:36] Not.

[3:37] No.

Elliott Kalan

[3:37] John McCain's son?

[3:39] Well...

[3:40] John McCain's granddaughter.

S2

[3:45] No.

[3:46] No.

[3:47] Representative from the great state of Delaware to the Continental Congress.

[3:52] Not that great.

Elliott Kalan

[3:52] I mean, it's a great state.

[3:54] Thank you.

S2

[3:55] So he's the Delaware representative to the Continental Congress.

[3:59] Yes.

[3:59] One of the three.

[4:01] But yeah.

[4:02] And my line in that, so I do answer Dan's question, I don't want to alienate him so early in the show, was...

[4:11] Leave it to me.

[4:13] But you said it was so much urgency.

[4:15] Yeah, there was more urgency.

[4:16] But I'm not giving you the whole performance.

[4:17] In context, it was really a beautiful moment.

Dan McCoy

[4:20] It was.

[4:20] Yeah.

[4:21] Elliot tipped this already, but I wanted to ask...

[4:23] Oh.

[4:24] Now you're in The Bounty Hunter.

[4:26] I am.

[4:26] The theaters now.

[4:27] I am.

[4:27] Starring Gerard Butler.

[4:28] As Dog.

[4:30] No, that's not...

[4:31] Now we have done...

[4:32] Is Boba Fett?

[4:33] Two Gerard Butler films on the Flophouse.

[4:36] We did two, actually, in rapid succession.

[4:39] Yeah, very close together.

[4:40] Just a couple months ago.

[4:41] Was that obsession, would you say?

[4:42] Well, I want to turn that around on you and ask, do you think that you're ruining your career by appearing on our podcast?

[4:50] Have you made a powerful enemy?

S2

[4:52] I don't think so.

Dan McCoy

[4:54] You've awoken a sleeping giant, Eric.

S2

[4:56] Named Gerard Butler.

[4:58] I don't...

[4:59] I don't...

[4:59] He's gotten narcolepsy.

[5:01] Interesting.

[5:03] No, I don't think...

[5:04] I hope not.

Elliott Kalan

[5:04] On the set, was it, like, hard to work with him because he was in the middle of so many anti-flophouse tirades?

S2

[5:09] I didn't actually come up, I have to say.

Elliott Kalan

[5:12] Like, these kind of Christian Bale-level just rants against the Flophouse.

[5:18] I'm sorry, what was the question?

[5:21] I don't know.

S2

[5:22] No, I didn't...

[5:23] I don't think...

[5:24] I mean, I'm...

[5:25] I don't think you're on his radar.

[5:27] I'm sorry.

Dan McCoy

[5:27] Who did you...

[5:28] Whose radar are we on, then?

[5:29] You're tuned into Hollywood.

[5:33] All the Hollywood players.

[5:34] Who's angry at us now?

S2

[5:37] Well, I know that...

[5:39] Oh, let's just say...

[5:42] I mean, we've had a long run...

Elliott Kalan

[5:43] We've had a long running feud with Elias Codius, but, you know...

S2

[5:47] Well, perhaps it's because you're pronouncing his name right.

Elliott Kalan

[5:50] Listen, he should get a real name.

[5:52] They don't pronounce it right.

[5:53] You hear that, Elias?

Dan McCoy

[5:56] This is why we've had a feud for a while.

Elliott Kalan

[5:57] I can understand.

[5:58] Casey Jones from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the movie.

Dan McCoy

[6:00] So, for those listeners who have seen The Bounty Hunter in theaters now...

[6:05] Yeah.

[6:05] Who do you play in that film?

S2

[6:07] I play a cop who gives some information to Gerard Butler towards the end of the movie,

[6:13] so I don't want to spoil it for whoever.

[6:17] But, not that I could spoil it, really.

Elliott Kalan

[6:21] That would happen from the minute they bought the ticket for The Bounty Hunter.

[6:23] Whoa.

S2

[6:24] I didn't actually mean it in that context, but...

[6:26] No, that's not...

Elliott Kalan

[6:26] This is his bread wagon.

[6:28] That's not what I was...

Dan McCoy

[6:29] His bread wagon?

[6:31] Never heard that before?

[6:34] That's because it was meat.

[6:35] Listen, this is his meat bucket we're talking about.

[6:38] You never heard it because that was me grasping for an idiomatic phrase that I did not have

[6:43] on the tip of my tongue.

S2

[6:44] That was not actually how I intended to say that, but...

[6:47] This is his milk sponge here.

[6:48] Yes, my...

[6:49] Wow.

[6:50] My cracker barrel, if you will.

[6:53] Delicious.

Dan McCoy

[6:54] So, do you think that's a racist slur against whites, by the way?

[6:57] Cracker barrel?

Elliott Kalan

[6:58] I don't think so, no.

[7:00] It's a barrel full of crackers that you would have at a general store.

[7:05] People, we didn't always live in a world of prepackaged crackers, Dan.

[7:09] Okay.

[7:09] Sometimes you had to scoop them up out of a barrel.

Dan McCoy

[7:13] So, Gerard Butler seemed like a nice guy?

S2

[7:15] He did.

[7:15] It's funny.

[7:16] I actually...

[7:17] In the movie, I have a conversation with him over the phone.

[7:22] In reality, I did not...

[7:25] When I was shooting my scene, I had no contact with him at all.

[7:28] Okay.

[7:28] That's movie magic, everyone.

[7:29] Hmm.

[7:30] Movies.

Dan McCoy

[7:31] Well, I just want to say that.

[7:33] I just wanted to ask the question because...

[7:35] But no, he did.

[7:35] There's no personal hard feelings.

[7:37] No, no.

[7:38] He seemed fine.

[7:39] No, he seems like a very nice, charismatic guy.

S2

[7:41] He was great.

[7:42] I mean, I met him briefly, but he was...

Dan McCoy

[7:43] Just fire agent is all we're saying.

[7:46] Or, if you read your own scripts, get better taste.

S2

[7:50] Wow.

[7:51] Now, that was directly to him because he's listening.

[7:53] Yeah.

[7:53] He listens every week going, urgh, cluff house!

Dan McCoy

[7:55] You were telling us how he was so enraged earlier, so I assumed that he was...

[7:58] I'm pretty sure that was you saying that and me saying no.

S2

[8:02] Okay.

[8:02] But we can play it back.

[8:04] No.

[8:05] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[8:05] Too much work.

[8:06] You know what?

[8:06] Let's look at the tape.

[8:07] Yeah.

[8:08] So, the point of this long introduction is that we watched a film tonight.

Elliott Kalan

[8:13] Really?

[8:14] That was the point.

[8:15] Because we were dancing around that point pretty well.

Dan McCoy

[8:19] And, you know, I don't know if you're aware of the premise of the show, guys, but

[8:24] the premise is that we watch a movie that we assume to be bad.

[8:28] But we hold out hope that it will be good.

[8:30] Hold out hope that it might be good.

[8:31] And then we discuss it.

[8:32] Round table.

[8:34] Afterwards.

[8:35] Okay.

[8:35] This table is a square.

[8:36] I can see you looking.

S2

[8:37] I wasn't going to say it.

[8:39] I didn't want to embarrass you.

[8:39] Well, the magic of radio, the audience can imagine that it's round.

Dan McCoy

[8:42] Yeah, they were picturing it was round until you said it.

[8:44] I looked at it.

[8:44] Well, we're seated in a semicircle.

Elliott Kalan

[8:48] You could say that, I suppose.

[8:49] Next to a cliff over a magical city.

[8:53] A kingdom of glittering castles and airships.

[8:58] It's a radio.

[8:58] They can now.

[8:59] It's not even radio.

[9:00] It's podcast.

Dan McCoy

[9:01] I'm painting a picture.

Elliott Kalan

[9:02] It's radio.

[9:03] You're of the future.

[9:04] Whoa.

[9:05] Speaking of which, robots all over the place.

[9:08] Audience can't see it.

[9:10] They're with us right now.

[9:12] Anyway.

[9:13] On this cliff.

[9:13] We watched a film.

S2

[9:14] What was the point you were making?

Dan McCoy

[9:15] Called Sorority Row.

[9:18] A remake of the 83 film, The House on Sorority Row, which I think I may have watched, but immediately,

[9:25] like when I looked at it on IMDb, I couldn't tell whether I'd seen it or not because all

[9:31] of those early 80s sorority slashers are so interchangeable.

Elliott Kalan

[9:35] That one was a remake of Catfish Row, right?

[9:39] Cannery Row?

[9:39] Cannery Row.

Dan McCoy

[9:40] That's what I meant.

[9:40] That was a good one.

S2

[9:41] Cannery Row.

[9:42] I like to think that 20 some years from now, I will look back and wonder whether or not

[9:47] I actually saw Sorority Row.

[9:49] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[9:49] I am going to write, I keep a list of, each year I keep a list of the movies I see that

[9:53] year.

[9:53] I'm going to write down this one and I guarantee you next year when I look back on this list

[9:57] I'll be like, what was that?

[9:58] Must have been a Flophouse movie.

[10:01] Yeah.

S2

[10:01] Now it's interesting that they changed the title.

[10:04] I wonder if they, there's sort of like a double entendre, if you will.

[10:09] Like a row meaning an argument?

[10:10] Yeah.

[10:11] So, you know, the house on Sorority Row is very clearly that.

[10:15] Is that a row?

[10:16] Well, but it's the same word.

[10:18] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[10:18] Sorority Row sounds crazy.

[10:20] Yeah.

[10:20] But also, like maybe it's, well, you think Sorority Row, there might have been a rowboat

[10:24] in it, but there's none.

[10:27] No.

Dan McCoy

[10:27] I guess, I mean, as much as I scoff at your pun idea, it's the only way that this title

[10:33] makes sense.

[10:34] Because like House on Sorority Row, you're like, okay, there's a lane full of sorority

[10:38] houses and this is one of them.

[10:39] But just Sorority Row.

[10:41] It sounds like it should take place in more than one house, but it doesn't.

S2

[10:44] And it does not at all.

[10:45] No.

[10:45] In fact, there's not, I don't even think we see another house in the movie.

Elliott Kalan

[10:48] No, we see the interior of a therapist's modern house.

[10:51] That's true.

S2

[10:52] And there's a restaurant somewhere that's really dimly lit.

[10:55] Yes, that a senator eats at.

[10:57] Okay.

[10:58] But let's...

[10:58] Sorry.

[10:59] We're getting ahead of that.

Dan McCoy

[10:59] Let's sort of summarize the film.

[11:00] There's this group of sorority girls.

[11:03] The Theta Pi girls.

[11:04] Seniors.

[11:04] There's the nice one.

Elliott Kalan

[11:06] There's seniors at College State University.

Dan McCoy

[11:08] No, no, no.

[11:08] First of all, let's define them by one trait.

[11:11] Well, there's the nerd Ellie.

[11:12] Uh-huh.

[11:13] Played by Rumor Willis in her second sorority house themed film after the house bunny.

Elliott Kalan

[11:18] There's the bitch who's kind of the leader of the group, Jessica.

[11:22] Right.

[11:23] There's Claire.

[11:23] She's Asian.

[11:24] Yeah.

[11:25] There's Chugs, who we thought at first was named Jugs and then thought was named Chunks.

[11:30] But she is the drunk who is also a slut.

[11:34] And then there's Cassidy, played by Step Up to the Street star...

[11:39] Brianna Evigan.

[11:40] Evigan.

[11:41] And she is the...

[11:44] She becomes basically the main character of the movie.

Dan McCoy

[11:46] And there's also the soon-to-be-dead Megan, played by Audrina Partridge.

[11:51] Was that who?

[11:52] I guess so.

[11:53] I believe that is correct.

[11:54] That's what you told us.

[11:54] TV's The Hills.

[11:56] A show that I have managed to avoid watching entirely.

Elliott Kalan

[12:00] It's weird because I've seen a little bit of it and it's like...

[12:04] It's a series based on The Hills Have Eyes, right?

[12:07] Because it doesn't seem to be anything like that.

Dan McCoy

[12:09] There are hideous mutants in it.

Elliott Kalan

[12:10] There are, but they're not inbred hick murderers.

[12:13] No.

[12:14] Not hick, anyway.

Dan McCoy

[12:15] Yeah, their mutations appear to be all plastic surgery based.

[12:18] Right.

Elliott Kalan

[12:19] In the chestal region.

[12:20] Uh-huh.

[12:20] And the facial region.

[12:21] Yeah.

[12:22] They're not cannibals per se.

[12:25] So the film...

Dan McCoy

[12:26] Per se.

[12:28] But in a larger social sense.

[12:29] In a cannibalization.

[12:30] Aren't we all cannibals?

[12:32] But, um...

[12:33] So the film begins with them...

[12:35] It's a big party at the sorority house.

[12:36] Yeah.

[12:36] And the girls have gotten together to do a hilarious prank on one of their cheating boyfriends.

[12:41] No, it's on...

Elliott Kalan

[12:42] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[12:44] It's a...

Dan McCoy

[12:44] It's Megan's cheating boyfriend.

[12:47] Um...

Elliott Kalan

[12:47] And who's also Chugs' brother.

[12:50] Mm.

Dan McCoy

[12:50] Right.

[12:51] Garrett.

[12:51] Right.

[12:53] And, uh, so, uh, they have...

[12:55] They have pretended to have roofie this girl, right?

[13:00] To have him roofie the girl.

[13:01] Or to have him roofie her.

Elliott Kalan

[13:02] They gave fake roofies to him to give to her so that they can teach him a lesson that involves

[13:08] her spitting up all over him and appearing to be sick and dying.

[13:12] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[13:13] Then...

[13:13] Or just, like, basically dead, like, she overdosed on roofies.

[13:17] Yeah.

[13:17] And they must dispose of the body.

Elliott Kalan

[13:19] Yeah, they're trying to play a trick on him to make him think that he's a murderer.

[13:22] Uh-huh.

[13:22] As sorority girls...

[13:23] Yeah, they do.

[13:24] It is funny.

[13:24] It is funny thinking about it now.

[13:25] And, but, unfortunately, things go a little too far, and he ends up shoving a tire iron

[13:32] through her chest and actually killing her once they get to an old mining quarry that's

[13:37] been abandoned.

[13:39] Yeah.

[13:39] True.

[13:40] In this college town.

[13:42] At one point, the college town's main industry was a quarry.

Dan McCoy

[13:47] Well, that's true of Bloomington, Indiana.

[13:49] Oh, really?

[13:50] Okay.

[13:50] That's a fun fact about Bloomington, guys.

[13:53] So they dump the body down and...

[13:55] They dump it into, like, a big hole.

[13:57] Yeah.

[13:57] And our Cassidy, is that her name?

[13:59] Yes.

[14:00] Our nice girl, she wants to call the police, but everyone else worried about their futures

[14:06] or being pressured into being worried about the futures by the bitch.

Elliott Kalan

[14:10] Yeah.

[14:11] Jessica, the blonde one who's the bitch, spends roughly 75 minutes convincing them not to

[14:17] go to the police.

S2

[14:18] But by saying the same thing over and over and over again.

[14:21] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[14:21] This is a very talky 30, like, 40, hour and 40 minute horror slasher movie.

Dan McCoy

[14:28] And they convinced Cassidy to go along with this by saying that they'll all claim that she was at fault.

[14:32] Right.

[14:33] If she does not.

S2

[14:34] Jessica's point, which, you know, there's merit to, I suppose, was that why should all of their lives be ruined by one stupid thing that they did, which was killing someone?

Elliott Kalan

[14:43] Well, merely because they took the life of a friend.

[14:46] Why should they be the ones to pay?

[14:48] What's fair about that?

[14:49] Exactly.

Dan McCoy

[14:50] Well, I mean, more to the point, though, she would be more, I think, in trouble being, I think, the mastermind of the...

Elliott Kalan

[14:59] And also, the girlfriend of the son of a senator, who, as he mentions, there's rumors about him being a possible VP pick.

[15:07] And he has the bland looks for it.

[15:10] Yes.

[15:10] Yeah.

[15:11] He's like a movie senator.

[15:13] Yeah.

[15:13] You know.

[15:13] And so, eight months pass, and lo and behold...

Dan McCoy

[15:17] A baby is born.

[15:20] Lo and behold, someone knows what they did last eight months ago.

S2

[15:24] No, that's not a different movie.

Dan McCoy

[15:26] Oh, okay.

Elliott Kalan

[15:27] Someone is final destination-ing.

[15:29] That's not even...

[15:30] I don't understand.

[15:32] The ring.

[15:33] Rosemary's baby.

[15:37] Someone is video-droming.

Dan McCoy

[15:39] Okay, they don't even get that reference, Elliot.

[15:42] All right.

[15:43] And lo and behold, people basically just start getting picked off, slasher movie style.

Elliott Kalan

[15:47] By a killer using...

[15:49] A tire iron.

[15:51] With knives on the ends.

Dan McCoy

[15:53] A pimped out tire iron, as one of the characters says.

[15:55] Yes.

[15:56] And he has several of them.

[15:57] Mm-hmm.

[15:58] Yeah.

[15:58] He put a lot...

[15:59] There's a lot of...

[16:01] You know, he invested a lot in those tire irons.

[16:03] Yeah.

[16:04] We watched it on...

S2

[16:04] Time, money.

[16:05] We watched it on demand.

[16:07] Labor.

[16:07] We didn't have the DVD.

[16:08] I'd like to think that there was an extra on the DVD about the tire irons.

[16:12] I would hope so.

[16:13] Yeah.

[16:13] Mm-hmm.

[16:13] That's what I would want to see.

Dan McCoy

[16:14] Constructing a killer's tool, it's called.

[16:16] Oh, that sounds good.

[16:17] I would watch that.

[16:19] And I don't know that there's actually much to say about the movie plot-wise, though,

[16:23] because as you would guess, people start getting picked off one by one.

Elliott Kalan

[16:26] They get picked off one by one.

[16:28] The sorority girls are really irritating.

[16:30] Cassidy is trying to get to the bottom of it.

[16:33] Mm-hmm.

[16:34] While everything falls apart around her.

[16:36] Carrie Fisher is in it, we did mention.

[16:38] Yes, Carrie Fisher.

[16:38] She is the sorority house mother who shows up in about four scenes.

[16:42] Slash space princess.

[16:43] Slash space princess, yeah.

[16:45] And she had...

[16:45] There's some, like...

[16:46] We can get to it after the plot film, but there's some okay kill scenes.

[16:51] There's a big sorority house party.

[16:53] Mm-hmm.

[16:53] A sorority house massacre.

Dan McCoy

[16:56] Huh?

[16:56] There's a sorority house massacre.

[16:57] That's another sorority house movie.

[16:59] One of those.

[17:01] Okay.

[17:02] You don't need to lean in every time you have something to say.

[17:04] I set the levels.

[17:06] Right.

[17:06] No, I know.

[17:06] But sometimes I want to be pointed about it.

[17:08] This is a little peek behind the curtain.

Elliott Kalan

[17:09] That will be edited out.

[17:12] So there's a lot of craziness and zaniness,

[17:15] and they run around getting killed,

[17:17] and then eventually...

[17:18] Should we reveal who the killer is?

[17:20] Please do.

[17:21] It is Cassidy's boyfriend.

[17:23] What?

[17:23] Who will do anything to protect her,

[17:25] including murder people.

Dan McCoy

[17:27] But that's the one person who would hurt our hero in most

[17:31] if it turned out that that was the killer.

Elliott Kalan

[17:33] And yet it does.

[17:35] Dun, dun, dun.

[17:36] And they have to fight their way out,

[17:38] her and Megan's sister and Ellie the nerd,

[17:41] in a burning down sorority house

[17:44] to escape this monster of a guy who did this.

[17:50] And they do.

[17:50] And they do at the end.

S2

[17:52] Who was also the valedictorian.

Elliott Kalan

[17:53] He was also the valedictorian.

[17:55] Which is why he's so good at making him tired.

[17:56] He gave a speech about how people will be judged

[17:58] by the company they keep at the graduation.

[18:01] And he realizes that his girlfriend keeps company with bitches,

[18:05] as he says.

Dan McCoy

[18:06] He did say that.

[18:06] Now, it's unlikely, in general,

[18:08] that a valedictorian is a killer.

[18:11] However, it is more likely that a valedictorian

[18:13] is like a criminal mastermind,

[18:15] like this guy.

[18:16] Yeah, I guess.

[18:16] Apparently is.

[18:17] I mean, he devised these tire iron-based weapons.

Elliott Kalan

[18:22] And his cunning traps.

[18:24] A game of cat and mouse.

Dan McCoy

[18:26] Yeah, where he would text people

[18:27] and tell them to go places.

S2

[18:29] And then they would.

[18:30] And he also had the brilliant idea

[18:32] to wear the robe that conceals him,

[18:36] but is also the graduation robe

[18:38] that everyone is wearing

[18:39] because it's graduation week.

Elliott Kalan

[18:41] Ironic.

[18:42] Kind of.

[18:43] I'm not sure that's irony.

Dan McCoy

[18:45] Again, like I know what you did last summer,

[18:47] where the killer is dressed up as a fisherman

[18:50] in a fishing village.

[18:51] The Gortons fisherman, particularly, I think.

[18:53] Well, I don't think that he specifically

[18:55] looked at a Gortons package.

[18:58] I assume there's a scene

Elliott Kalan

[18:59] where the killer picks up a package of fish sticks

[19:01] and is like,

[19:02] hmm, I found the answer I seek.

Dan McCoy

[19:05] A package of fish sticks

[19:07] gets thrown through his window late at night.

[19:09] And he's like,

[19:10] I shall become a fish stick.

[19:12] No, wait, that's stupid.

Elliott Kalan

[19:14] Teen murderers are superstitious

[19:16] and cowardly lot.

[19:18] Yep.

[19:18] They will fear me if I'm a fisherman.

[19:21] But then,

[19:22] and as the movie goes on,

[19:24] the characters seem to become

[19:25] more and more blasé

[19:26] about the murders

[19:27] that are being committed

[19:28] until by the end,

[19:30] Jessica and Cassidy

[19:32] rush into a bathroom

[19:33] to escape the killer.

[19:35] They pull across the shower curtain

[19:36] and the body of their friend Megan

[19:38] is hanging there

[19:39] and it's almost half rotted away.

[19:42] It's just a skeleton.

[19:43] One of her eyeballs is still in it.

[19:44] And it's disgusting.

[19:46] And Jessica goes like,

[19:47] she looks terrible.

[19:48] And they don't even,

[19:49] they aren't even interested.

[19:51] Like, at that point.

Dan McCoy

[19:52] And it's,

[19:53] no, but it's also like

[19:54] this weird ADR-like thing.

[19:55] Like, it's like,

[19:56] it's just like tossed in.

[19:57] It's like,

[19:57] watch out for snakes.

[19:58] Like that MSPK thing.

[20:00] In EGa?

[20:00] Yeah.

[20:01] It was like,

[20:02] okay,

[20:02] we gotta joke this up

Elliott Kalan

[20:03] a little in post.

[20:05] It's weird.

[20:05] It feels like they wanted

[20:07] this to be like

[20:08] a Jennifer's Body type

[20:10] thing where everyone,

[20:13] and everyone's got

[20:13] like a sharp zinger.

[20:15] And there's a lot of like,

S2

[20:16] you know.

[20:17] Although that didn't really

[20:18] kick in until the last

[20:19] third of the movie.

[20:20] Like the first two thirds,

[20:21] I don't think they were

[20:21] doing a whole lot of that.

[20:22] Except for Chugs.

[20:23] Chugs always had that.

Elliott Kalan

[20:24] But once Chugs died,

[20:25] I feel like everyone

[20:26] had to pick up the pace.

[20:28] Right off the bat,

Dan McCoy

[20:29] one of the characters

[20:30] is like,

[20:30] oh, you know,

[20:31] having sex,

[20:31] like,

[20:32] having sex with roofies.

[20:33] You get to have sex

[20:34] and a good night's sleep.

[20:36] And it's like,

[20:36] ah, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[20:37] It's Chugs who says that.

[20:38] Yeah.

S2

[20:39] You know?

[20:39] And there was another,

[20:40] there was another rape.

[20:41] It's not really like

Dan McCoy

[20:43] Heather's level.

[20:44] No, it's not.

[20:45] Not exactly.

[20:46] Chugs also had the great line.

[20:46] It's not exactly

S2

[20:47] the Lady Eve level

[20:48] witticisms.

[20:49] Chugs' other great line of,

[20:51] I don't want to play

Elliott Kalan

[20:52] a game of find me,

[20:53] rape me.

[20:53] Yeah, that's right.

[20:54] When her therapist

[20:55] that she gets

[20:56] prescription drugs from,

[20:58] she walks into his house.

[21:00] He's apparently

[21:00] fucking everyone.

[21:01] He's Dr. Rosenberg.

[21:02] That's all we know about him.

[21:03] She walks into his bedroom

[21:04] and he's handcuffed to the bed

[21:05] and he goes,

[21:06] my last patient left early,

[21:08] but we could always finish off

[21:09] where my last session ended.

[21:11] And he offers her

[21:12] prescription drugs

[21:12] and she goes,

[21:13] okay.

[21:14] And then like,

[21:14] she doesn't say,

Dan McCoy

[21:15] okay,

[21:15] she's like,

[21:16] fine.

[21:17] Fine.

[21:17] Like,

[21:18] just another depressing

[21:20] transaction of sex for drugs

[21:22] in the life of Chugs.

[21:26] That's Chugs.

Elliott Kalan

[21:28] Da-da-da.

[21:29] But that's before

[21:29] the therapist dies

[21:31] for some reason.

S2

[21:33] Yeah,

[21:33] he gets it.

Elliott Kalan

[21:34] He gets the first tire.

[21:36] And that leads to the best

[21:37] scene in the movie,

[21:39] in my opinion.

[21:39] Absolutely.

[21:40] Which is Chugs' death scene.

Dan McCoy

[21:42] Well,

[21:42] describe it.

[21:43] Why don't you?

Elliott Kalan

[21:44] Chugs has picked up

[21:45] a bottle of alcohol

[21:46] from a table.

[21:47] Sounds delicious.

[21:48] And while she's waiting

[21:49] for the therapist

[21:50] to come out

[21:50] and have sex with her

[21:52] in exchange for drugs,

[21:53] this is a movie

[21:54] that was made.

[21:55] This is a movie

[21:56] for entertainment.

[21:57] she's lying down.

[21:59] 14s, probably.

[22:00] Yes.

[22:00] Well,

[22:00] it's rated R.

[22:01] I was reading up

[22:02] a little bit

[22:02] beforehand about this

[22:04] because I didn't know

[22:05] that much about it.

[22:06] And apparently

[22:07] they were thinking

[22:07] of making this

[22:08] a PG-13 movie

[22:09] and then decided

[22:10] to go all the way

[22:11] and make it an R movie.

[22:12] Rated R.

[22:14] Which is why

[22:14] we see a very small

[22:17] amount of nudity

[22:17] and they say the F word

[22:18] a couple times.

Dan McCoy

[22:19] It's not that small.

[22:20] I would say

[22:20] for a modern horror film

[22:22] there's a fairly

[22:23] substantial amount

[22:23] of nudity.

Elliott Kalan

[22:24] But for a horror film

[22:25] in general.

Dan McCoy

[22:25] For a horror film

[22:26] in general,

[22:26] no.

[22:27] But I mean,

[22:27] that's encompassing

[22:28] such a grotesque

[22:31] and wonderful highs

[22:32] in the 70s and 80s.

Elliott Kalan

[22:34] Oh, but anyway,

[22:34] so she's waiting

[22:35] for Dr. Rosenberg

[22:36] to show up

[22:37] to have sex with her

[22:37] for drugs.

[22:38] And she's lying down

[22:40] on the therapist's couch

[22:40] drinking out of this bottle

[22:42] and then the killer

[22:43] appears over her

[22:44] and seems to take

[22:45] the tire iron

[22:46] and slam it

[22:46] against the end

[22:47] of the bottle

[22:47] so that it gets

[22:49] shoved down her mouth

[22:50] into her throat.

[22:51] Then slams it again

[22:52] so it gets pushed

[22:52] even farther

[22:53] into her throat.

[22:55] And what happens

[22:56] after that?

S2

[22:57] And you see the liquid

[22:58] is pouring into her mouth

[23:00] and then he hits it again

[23:01] and then there's blood.

[23:03] The bottle cracks

[23:04] and kind of fills

[23:04] with blood.

[23:05] But it's such a ridiculous

Elliott Kalan

[23:06] death scene

[23:07] and it's so much more,

[23:08] that moment is so much

[23:09] more horrifying

[23:10] than I expected

[23:11] anything in the movie

[23:12] to be.

[23:12] Yeah.

S2

[23:13] No, it was good.

[23:14] It was definitely,

[23:15] they got points for that.

Dan McCoy

[23:16] Yeah, I mean,

[23:17] in general,

[23:18] one thing that

[23:19] the movie seemed

[23:19] to take a little care

[23:21] was the death scenes.

[23:22] Yes.

[23:23] I mean,

[23:23] there was that,

[23:24] you know,

[23:24] there was the guy

[23:25] who was going down

[23:26] a dumb waiter

[23:26] and was stopped

[23:28] by the tire iron

[23:29] going in right

[23:31] in front of him

[23:31] and then slowly

[23:32] shifted up

[23:33] so another prong

[23:34] of the tire iron

[23:35] would pierce his throat.

[23:37] Right.

Elliott Kalan

[23:38] The one,

[23:39] the flare gun death

[23:40] was a little lame.

Dan McCoy

[23:42] It was a little lame

[23:43] but it got a few points

[23:44] for being in a bunch

[23:45] of like bubbles

[23:46] so what you would see

[23:47] was this person

[23:48] being yanked under

[23:50] these huge mass

[23:52] of bubbles.

[23:53] They had a cable

[23:54] tied to their leg

[23:55] basically

[23:56] and they got yanked under

[23:56] and it looked like

[23:57] the beginning of Jaws

[23:58] where the woman

[23:58] gets yanked under

[23:59] by the shark.

Elliott Kalan

[24:01] If Jaws had taken place

[24:02] in a big bubble bath.

[24:03] If someone had jumped

S2

[24:04] some Mr. Bubble

[24:05] in the sea.

[24:06] The original script

[24:07] of Jaws did take place

[24:08] in a bubble bath.

[24:09] Really?

[24:09] I didn't realize that.

[24:10] We gotta shut down

Dan McCoy

[24:11] this bath.

[24:12] No, it's the big season.

[24:13] And in the bitchly novel.

[24:14] That's right.

[24:16] He was a big proponent

[24:17] of bubble baths.

S2

[24:18] But I do think

[24:19] it was disappointing

[24:20] like Chugs was the first

[24:21] of the girls to go

[24:22] and her nickname

[24:23] was Chugs

[24:24] and she literally died

[24:25] you know chugging

[24:26] the bottle

[24:28] and so it's just sort of

[24:29] it feels like

[24:30] they missed something

[24:31] they could have

[24:31] nicknamed all the people.

[24:32] You wanted to be more

Dan McCoy

[24:33] of like a seven scenario.

[24:34] Yeah.

[24:35] You know where everyone was

[24:36] Oh everyone's hoisted

[24:37] by their own petard.

[24:38] Exactly.

Elliott Kalan

[24:38] Yeah, where was the petard hoisting?

S2

[24:40] There was no petard hoisting.

[24:42] That's the point.

Elliott Kalan

[24:43] A lot of petards

[24:43] went unhoisted

[24:44] in this film.

Dan McCoy

[24:45] There was one petard

[24:46] at the beginning

[24:47] of the movie

[24:47] that had a petard flap open

[24:49] and they were just

[24:51] bouncing on a trampoline.

Elliott Kalan

[24:52] It opens in this

[24:53] huge sorority party

[24:54] at the sorority house.

[24:55] There must be

[24:56] 7,000 people

[24:57] at this party.

[24:58] Approximately.

[24:58] And there is a trampoline

[25:00] in the middle

[25:00] of the foyer

[25:01] with girls jumping on it

[25:04] and they're in

[25:05] long underwear

[25:05] with the flaps

[25:06] in the back

[25:07] hanging open.

[25:08] And there's something

[25:09] really hilarious about it

[25:10] because it's like

[25:11] see?

[25:12] Nudity.

[25:12] But at the same time

[25:13] they're wearing

[25:13] like prospector

[25:14] long underwear.

[25:16] You know?

[25:17] Maybe the least

[25:18] sexy garment

[25:19] that's ever been

[25:19] worn under clothing.

[25:20] True.

Dan McCoy

[25:20] Let's make it clear though.

[25:23] It's not like

[25:23] bright red

[25:25] woolen

[25:26] prospector underwear.

[25:27] You weren't going to

[25:27] mistake them

[25:28] for Walter Brennan.

[25:29] It wasn't quite

[25:29] that extreme.

Dan McCoy

[25:31] I mean these were

[25:32] basically just like

[25:33] pink onesies

[25:34] with like an opening

[25:35] in the back.

Elliott Kalan

[25:36] I guess.

[25:37] I still think it was funny.

[25:41] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[25:43] Eric, you look like

[25:44] you have something

[25:45] you want to say.

Elliott Kalan

[25:45] No, I actually don't.

[25:47] Okay.

[25:48] Sorry.

[25:48] That was a dead end game.

[25:49] There isn't too

[25:50] I mean the movie is

[25:51] very poorly directed.

S2

[25:53] Oh, it's very

[25:53] poorly.

[25:54] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[25:54] Or very poorly shot

[25:55] I guess you could say.

S2

[25:56] Well, I think

[25:57] it's interesting

[25:58] because I actually think

[25:59] in a way

[26:00] it's shot well

[26:01] it's just

[26:01] it doesn't make any sense.

[26:03] Like it's very

[26:04] it's very handheld

[26:05] and very like

[26:06] you know jumpy

[26:07] which theoretically

[26:08] could create tension

[26:10] except that it's not

[26:11] directed that way.

[26:12] The characters

[26:13] are all standing still.

[26:14] It's just the camera

[26:14] that's moving.

Dan McCoy

[26:15] Well, and I give it

[26:16] credit at least on

[26:17] the sense that it's

[26:18] while it's

[26:19] all it's handheld

[26:20] it's handheld

[26:21] in a

[26:22] a non-crazy way

[26:25] if that makes sense.

[26:26] Right.

[26:26] Like it's not doing

[26:27] that thing

[26:28] that I really hate

[26:29] in all modern horror movies

[26:31] where like

[26:31] okay if we like

[26:32] make it look like

[26:33] their shutter speeds

[26:34] really screwed up

[26:35] or if we do like

[26:35] random flashes of light

[26:37] and like just like

[26:37] really quick cuts.

Elliott Kalan

[26:39] And they had like

[26:39] one moment of slow motion

[26:41] in the beginning

[26:41] and then they didn't do

[26:42] that very much

[26:43] which gets overdone a lot.

Dan McCoy

[26:45] It was a more classic

[26:48] mode of filming

[26:49] than most horror movies

[26:53] today.

[26:54] It's just that

[26:55] the problem was

[26:56] they would shoot

[26:56] like half of a face

[26:58] or just a person's

[26:59] midriff

[27:00] and you'd be like

[27:01] where is everyone

[27:02] in relation to everyone else?

Elliott Kalan

[27:03] Yeah, who is this?

[27:04] Well, and I forgot

[27:06] to mention the other

[27:07] best scene in the movie

[27:07] as far as I'm concerned

[27:08] which is

[27:09] Carrie Fisher's fight scene.

[27:12] Oh yeah.

Dan McCoy

[27:12] It was very good.

[27:13] Any movie you can say

[27:14] that about

[27:15] Carrie Fisher's fight scene

[27:16] you can use those words.

S2

[27:17] Well, to set it up

[27:18] she shows up back

[27:19] I mean we see her

[27:20] in the beginning

[27:20] and then she disappears

[27:21] for a good 40 minutes or so.

[27:23] Yeah.

[27:24] And they probably had like

[27:25] a day of shooting with her.

[27:27] Right.

[27:27] You know.

Elliott Kalan

[27:27] But they like

[27:28] She had to prepare

[27:29] for her show

[27:29] her Broadway one man show.

[27:31] One woman show actually.

[27:33] When it's a woman

[27:33] they call it a one woman show.

[27:34] Really?

[27:35] Yeah.

[27:35] When did they start that?

[27:36] Women's lib.

[27:38] It seems like it would be

[27:39] the opposite.

[27:40] Yeah.

[27:41] Really?

[27:41] I mean

[27:42] One person show.

[27:43] Yeah.

[27:43] One actor.

[27:44] One person.

[27:45] Well,

[27:45] one thespian show.

[27:47] We're on a slippery slope,

[27:48] Phil.

[27:48] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[27:49] Anyway,

[27:50] she disappears.

[27:50] Ladies,

[27:51] write in and tell us

[27:52] what you're calling

[27:54] your stage pieces.

[27:57] Your solo stage pieces.

[27:58] Yeah.

S2

[27:58] But so she

[27:59] she's like

[28:00] left them to have

[28:01] the house on their own.

[28:02] That's the tradition

[28:03] because they're seniors.

[28:04] They've just graduated.

[28:05] The senior girls

[28:05] get to free reign

[28:07] of the house.

[28:08] For one day.

[28:09] For one night.

[28:10] And so she comes back

[28:11] and they've of course

[28:12] had a giant party

[28:13] and trashed the place.

[28:14] Now yes,

[28:15] a few people have been

[28:15] murdered in it

[28:16] but I don't think

[28:17] Carrie Fisher knows

[28:18] that at this point.

S2

[28:18] She doesn't know that yet.

[28:19] No.

[28:19] And she shows up

Elliott Kalan

[28:20] with a shotgun.

[28:22] The pump action shotgun.

Dan McCoy

[28:24] Yeah.

[28:24] And then she immediately

[28:25] she pops one of her charges

[28:28] in the nose

[28:29] with that shotgun.

Elliott Kalan

[28:30] Yeah, she hits Jessica

[28:31] in the face

[28:32] with the butt of it.

[28:33] Right.

Dan McCoy

[28:33] I mean, granted

[28:34] Jessica has an axe

[28:35] that she almost swings

[28:36] at Carrie Fisher.

[28:37] She does swing it

[28:37] at Carrie Fisher

[28:38] and she just misses her.

[28:39] Yeah.

[28:39] But why she has

[28:40] the shotgun in the first place.

[28:42] A little unclear.

Elliott Kalan

[28:42] And then she goes

[28:43] to the kitchen

[28:44] and the killer

[28:44] is stalking her

[28:45] and she's just

[28:46] blasting away

[28:47] with this shotgun

[28:47] and she has

[28:48] like a million rounds

[28:49] in it.

Dan McCoy

[28:49] Well, you have to think

[28:50] that like

[28:50] I guess Carrie Fisher

[28:52] like on her weekend

[28:53] away from the sorority

[28:54] house.

[28:54] She was down

[28:55] at the shooting range.

[28:56] I mean, that's how

[28:56] she gets at her

[28:57] Or she's a hitman

[28:58] or something

[28:58] or a bounty hunter.

[28:59] Could be.

[29:00] Oh, wow.

[29:00] I want to see that movie.

S2

[29:01] Yeah.

[29:02] But also we should mention

[29:03] Sorority hitman.

[29:04] For those of you

[29:05] that when you watch

[29:06] these movies

[29:07] have your cliché checklist,

[29:09] they did have

[29:09] a few great ones.

[29:10] One in that scene

[29:11] where her shotgun,

[29:13] of course,

[29:14] you know,

[29:14] she's shooting like crazy

[29:15] and then it finally

[29:17] jams at the moment

[29:18] when the killer

[29:19] is coming at her.

[29:21] And she almost

[29:22] gets it done in time

[29:23] but not quite.

[29:24] There was also

[29:24] earlier in the movie

[29:25] there was a girl

[29:27] in a basement

[29:28] with a flashlight

[29:29] and the flashlight,

[29:30] of course,

[29:31] starts, you know,

[29:32] getting dim.

[29:33] Yeah.

[29:33] Which I've never

[29:33] actually seen

[29:34] that happen that way

[29:35] where it gets

[29:36] a little bit dim

[29:37] and then you shake it

[29:38] and you get a little bit

[29:38] and then it just dies

[29:40] completely.

[29:41] Have you ever had

[29:41] that flashlight experience?

[29:42] I think I may actually

[29:43] have had that

[29:43] flashlight experience.

[29:44] I don't remember.

[29:45] All right.

Dan McCoy

[29:45] But I mean,

[29:46] I don't carry around

[29:46] flashlights a lot.

Elliott Kalan

[29:47] But that's also,

[29:48] she's in the basement

[29:49] of a sorority house

[29:50] and she finds

[29:51] like a corner of hell

[29:52] in it.

[29:52] Like just,

[29:53] she finds a place

[29:54] where it's all lit red

[29:55] and it's,

[29:57] you know,

[29:57] they make it look like

[29:58] there's flame going on

[29:59] somewhere.

[29:59] Like maybe she's reached

[30:00] just the hot water heater

[30:01] or the boiler

[30:01] but it looks like

[30:03] there's like a blast furnace

[30:04] or a foundry

[30:06] like in the basement

[30:07] of this sorority house.

Dan McCoy

[30:09] Now, Eric,

[30:10] you said that you worked

[30:11] with Carrie Fisher

[30:12] on like a Lifetime movie.

[30:13] It was Oxygen,

[30:14] actually.

S2

[30:15] What was it called?

[30:16] It was called

[30:17] Romancing the Bride.

[30:19] Actually,

[30:19] I did three movies

[30:21] for Oxygen.

[30:22] I had a little stretch

[30:23] where that was

[30:24] what I was doing.

[30:26] And I just,

[30:27] I actually,

[30:28] I played

[30:28] a Mexican hotel worker.

[30:33] It took place

[30:34] in Mexico.

Elliott Kalan

[30:35] You're following

[30:36] Eli Wallach

[30:37] in the tradition

[30:38] of Jewish guys

[30:39] playing Mexicans.

[30:40] Yes,

S2

[30:40] well,

[30:40] that was my motivation,

[30:41] certainly.

[30:42] But no,

[30:43] it took place in Mexico.

[30:44] It was a,

[30:45] I spoke no English

[30:46] in the,

[30:47] I mean,

[30:47] I had one line

[30:48] basically that was in,

[30:49] in Spanish actually.

[30:52] So,

[30:52] yeah.

[30:53] And,

Elliott Kalan

[30:54] leave it to yo.

[30:56] That's what it was?

[30:57] Leave it to me,

[30:58] but in Spanish.

[30:59] Oh,

[30:59] interesting.

[30:59] Because you said your line

[31:00] and the other thing

[31:01] was leave it to me.

[31:02] But no,

S2

[31:02] they're different.

[31:03] I don't always say this.

[31:04] Leave our,

[31:05] amigos.

[31:06] I'm not,

[31:06] I'm not Schwarzenegger.

[31:07] Like,

[31:07] it's not like I have a catchphrase.

Elliott Kalan

[31:09] I thought that's your catchphrase.

[31:11] Leave it to me.

S2

[31:11] No,

[31:12] that's not,

[31:12] there was one line

[31:13] and one thing.

Elliott Kalan

[31:13] Everyone was waiting at home

[31:14] when Dan was like,

[31:15] can you say your line

[31:16] in John Adams?

[31:16] Everyone was like,

[31:17] yeah,

Dan McCoy

[31:17] yeah,

[31:18] yeah.

[31:18] And then when you said it,

[31:19] they went,

[31:19] yeah.

[31:20] I have all these

[31:20] leave it to me t-shirts

[31:21] with your face on it

[31:22] that I was going to give out

S2

[31:23] as prizes.

[31:25] Wow.

[31:26] No.

[31:28] But yes,

[31:29] she was,

[31:29] she was actually,

[31:30] she was great.

[31:30] She played the,

[31:31] the mother of the bride

[31:33] and I had a little bit

[31:35] of interaction with her,

[31:36] not a whole lot,

[31:37] but you know,

[31:38] she's a character,

[31:39] but she was great.

[31:41] Character Fisher.

[31:42] Did you?

[31:43] Nice.

[31:44] Did you not see?

Dan McCoy

[31:45] No.

[31:46] Oh,

[31:46] really?

[31:47] I mean,

[31:47] did you hand her the script

[31:49] for Sorority Row?

[31:52] I asked the thing

[31:53] that I think you'd be

[31:54] No,

[31:54] but actually thinking about it,

[31:55] because he's her agent.

S2

[31:56] I was saying,

[31:58] you should really be

[31:59] a house mother

[32:00] at a sorority

[32:01] where things go crazy,

[32:03] but if that happens,

[32:04] bring a shotgun.

Dan McCoy

[32:06] Well,

[32:06] this leads into

[32:06] the other question

[32:07] I was going to ask you,

[32:08] which is,

[32:09] now you work,

[32:10] aside from acting,

[32:11] you work in casting.

[32:13] Yes.

[32:13] Now,

[32:13] watching this film,

[32:15] what were the big

[32:16] casting mistakes?

[32:17] How would you have

[32:17] cast things differently?

S2

[32:18] You can't look at it,

[32:19] I mean,

[32:20] you know,

[32:20] not to deflect your question,

[32:23] but that's sort of

[32:23] an unfair way

[32:24] to look at anything.

[32:25] I personally,

[32:26] I think a lot of people

[32:26] say a movie is

[32:27] badly cast

[32:28] when the reality is

[32:29] that it's just

[32:30] badly written.

[32:31] Like,

[32:32] I don't know,

[32:33] I mean,

[32:33] they were certainly

[32:33] archetypes,

[32:34] they were certainly

[32:34] different girls.

[32:36] One of them was Asian.

[32:38] Exactly,

[32:39] which stood out.

[32:39] And they all had

[32:40] large chests.

[32:42] Nah.

[32:43] But different kinds

[32:43] of large chests.

[32:44] Yeah.

[32:44] Yeah,

[32:45] I guess so.

[32:47] No,

[32:47] I think,

[32:48] I mean,

[32:48] this kind of movie,

[32:49] you know,

[32:50] the casting didn't

[32:53] bother me per se.

[32:55] Okay.

[32:55] that's sort of

[32:56] an evasive answer,

[32:57] I suppose.

[32:58] There's just so little,

[32:58] I mean,

[32:59] there's so little to,

[32:59] the thing is,

[33:00] there's nothing to this movie.

[33:02] There was no like,

[33:04] I mean,

[33:04] we were joking about it

[33:05] watching like a little

[33:06] at the beginning

[33:07] that the Chugs character

[33:08] seemed to be,

[33:10] I thought she was bulimic.

[33:12] This is why I thought

[33:12] her nickname was Chunks,

[33:14] or Chucks.

[33:15] Chucks, yeah.

[33:16] Because she threw up.

[33:17] She was kissing a guy.

[33:18] He was like,

[33:18] you taste like vomit.

[33:19] And her response was,

[33:21] yeah,

[33:21] I just threw up,

[33:21] but I took a mint,

[33:22] so you're okay.

[33:24] Which he didn't,

[33:26] he didn't then go through with.

[33:28] I liked that moment

Elliott Kalan

[33:29] because she's,

[33:29] he's like a freshman

[33:30] and she's,

[33:31] and they're in the kitchen

[33:32] of the story house

[33:32] and she's kissing him

[33:33] and says,

[33:34] you taste like throw up

[33:34] and she says blah, blah, blah.

[33:35] And then she sits on the tile

[33:36] and she's like,

[33:37] oh, I forgot to wear underwear.

[33:38] It's cold here.

[33:39] Will you warm me up?

[33:40] And he's like,

[33:41] uh,

[33:41] I'm kind of grossed out by this.

[33:43] And like,

[33:44] I liked that

[33:45] there was one character

[33:46] in the movie

[33:47] who wasn't like,

Dan McCoy

[33:48] this is what I do

[33:49] as I have sex.

[33:50] This is,

[33:50] all about college.

[33:52] Yeah.

[33:52] You're reprehensible.

Elliott Kalan

[33:54] I'm like,

[33:54] I'm gonna have some standards here,

[33:55] Chugs.

S2

[33:56] But we did not,

[33:57] we did not follow that guy.

Elliott Kalan

[33:59] I kind of wish the movie

[34:00] had been about him.

[34:01] Yeah.

[34:02] Um.

[34:02] And 30 years later

[34:04] when he realizes,

[34:05] oh,

[34:05] I could have had sex

[34:06] with that girl.

[34:06] Why didn't I do that?

Dan McCoy

[34:08] Oh,

[34:08] that would be interesting

[34:09] later on.

[34:10] Yeah.

[34:10] He's,

[34:11] he's happily in a,

[34:12] in a relationship

[34:13] but he's still kind of like,

[34:14] oh man,

[34:14] I should have,

[34:15] I should have,

[34:15] should have been crazier

[34:16] when I was younger.

[34:17] And that's the

[34:18] wistful character study.

[34:20] And then he's like,

[34:21] well,

[34:21] she's dead.

Elliott Kalan

[34:21] I can't have sex

[34:22] with her anymore.

[34:23] She got killed

[34:23] in that horrible massacre.

[34:26] Remember that?

[34:27] On sorority row.

[34:28] Well,

[34:28] that's the thing.

[34:28] Weird.

[34:29] The end of the,

[34:29] guys.

[34:32] Ah,

[34:32] that guy,

[34:33] we didn't go to that party,

[34:34] right?

[34:34] Right?

[34:34] The end of the movie,

[34:35] they've rebuilt the sorority house

[34:37] that burned down

[34:37] and it's like the next year

[34:39] and there's a big party again

[34:40] and it's like,

[34:41] did we,

[34:41] did nothing get learned

[34:42] from the sorority massacre

[34:45] that took place?

[34:45] Well,

Dan McCoy

[34:45] that's the moral of the film.

[34:46] That's,

[34:47] it's an indictment

[34:48] of the Greek system.

[34:49] It certainly is.

[34:50] It certainly is.

Elliott Kalan

[34:50] You mean democracy?

[34:51] Yep.

Dan McCoy

[34:52] No,

[34:53] there are,

[34:53] I mean,

[34:53] uh,

[34:54] Socratic dialogue?

[34:56] I mean anal sex

[34:56] is what I'm talking about.

[34:57] Oh,

[34:57] okay.

[34:59] What?

S2

[35:01] Jaw dropped open.

[35:03] Girl?

[35:04] Uh,

[35:05] Flophouse Blue.

[35:06] But no,

[35:06] it ends with the,

[35:07] the girl who's the daughter of,

[35:09] uh,

[35:09] the daughter.

[35:10] The sister.

[35:10] Sister,

[35:11] daughter.

[35:11] I had a Chinatown thing.

[35:13] I couldn't.

[35:13] Spoiler alert.

[35:13] I couldn't.

[35:14] I couldn't.

[35:17] To anyone who hasn't seen Chinatown.

[35:20] Sorry.

[35:20] Ghost Rider in theaters now.

[35:24] But the sister of Megan,

[35:26] who's the one killed at the beginning,

[35:28] becomes a character.

[35:28] She shows up later

[35:29] and is supposed to,

[35:31] I guess,

[35:31] be a red herring

[35:32] that maybe she's the killer.

[35:33] You're supposed to think

[35:33] she's the killer.

[35:33] Even though she's like,

Dan McCoy

[35:35] She weighs like,

S2

[35:36] yeah,

[35:36] 80 pounds.

[35:37] And if it,

[35:38] if it came out

[35:39] that she was the one

[35:40] killing these people,

[35:40] you'd just be like,

[35:41] that's insane.

[35:42] She could never actually do that.

[35:43] Yeah.

[35:43] But she wasn't.

[35:44] No,

[35:45] but she was bitchy.

[35:46] Uh,

[35:46] but it does,

[35:47] it ends with her

[35:48] having joined the sorority

[35:49] in the new house,

[35:50] the sorority that killed her sister

[35:52] and also where she almost died

[35:53] in a fire

[35:54] and by tire iron.

[35:56] Yeah.

[35:56] And yet she's there

[35:57] with feathered hair,

[35:58] uh,

[35:59] partying up.

Elliott Kalan

[36:00] Partying with the other

[36:00] theta pies.

[36:01] Yeah.

[36:02] Theta pie is the sorority.

[36:03] So,

Elliott Kalan

[36:03] and then there's a last shot,

[36:05] which implies that

[36:06] another character

[36:07] from the movie,

[36:08] the crazy brother Garrett,

[36:11] who you thought had been,

[36:12] had slit his own throats

[36:13] and then been hit by,

[36:14] he slid his wrists

[36:15] and then got hit by a car.

[36:16] Well,

[36:16] you didn't think that

[36:17] those things did happen.

[36:18] You saw it happen on screen,

[36:19] but you thought he was dead

[36:20] as a result.

[36:21] Right,

Elliott Kalan

[36:21] yes.

[36:21] But,

[36:22] that he is,

[36:23] uh,

[36:23] back.

[36:24] Right.

[36:24] As one of the gardeners

[36:26] working at the new

[36:27] sorority house.

S2

[36:28] And it's really not

[36:29] that much of a surprise.

[36:30] So it sets it up

S2

[36:30] for sorority row too.

[36:31] It was not that much

[36:32] of a surprise

[36:32] that he wasn't dead

[36:33] because the one thing

[36:34] the girls were not

[36:35] very good at

[36:36] was,

[36:37] uh,

[36:37] making sure that

[36:38] people were dead.

[36:40] Yeah.

[36:40] I mean,

[36:41] Megan ultimately was,

[36:42] but they weren't

[36:42] all that sure

[36:43] that she was.

[36:44] Well,

Dan McCoy

[36:44] they also weren't

[36:44] good at,

[36:45] um,

[36:46] watching people

[36:46] who were only

[36:47] pretending to be dead.

[36:48] Because at the beginning

[36:49] they're all like,

[36:50] okay,

[36:50] well,

[36:50] let's all turn

[36:51] our backs

[36:52] on our sorority sister

[36:53] who was pretending

[36:54] to be dead

[36:54] and walk off

[36:55] pretending to look

[36:56] for sharp rocks

[36:58] to dismember the body,

[36:59] which is absurd.

[37:00] Yeah.

[37:00] Uh,

[37:01] it's like,

[37:01] oh,

[37:01] we'll leave

[37:02] the distraught guy

[37:03] behind with the body

[37:04] and then we'll just

[37:05] turn our backs.

Elliott Kalan

[37:06] Have fun.

[37:06] Next thing you know,

[37:07] he plunges a tire iron

[37:08] into her chest.

[37:09] Yeah.

[37:10] air out of her lungs.

[37:12] So that she won't

[37:12] float to the top of,

[37:14] I assume,

[37:15] water,

[37:15] but then they throw her

[37:16] into a dry well.

[37:18] There's really no reason.

[37:19] There's also,

[37:20] like,

[37:20] there are certain points

[37:21] when the movie

[37:22] just decides

[37:22] that it's not gonna

[37:23] care anymore.

[37:24] Yeah.

[37:24] Like,

[37:25] uh,

[37:25] Cassidy is going,

[37:26] is being lowered

[37:27] into the hole

[37:28] that they dropped

[37:29] to Megan's body

[37:30] and to see

[37:30] if she's still there

[37:31] and she gets,

[37:33] and the chain

[37:34] that they're lowering

[37:35] her on breaks

[37:36] and she falls to the ground

[37:37] and she sees

[37:37] that on the wall

[37:38] in blood

[37:38] it says,

[37:39] Theta Pi must die.

[37:40] Which shows a lot

[37:41] of commitment

[37:41] on the part of the killer

[37:43] by the way.

[37:43] Yeah.

[37:44] Well,

[37:44] he was the valedictorian.

[37:45] Okay.

[37:46] Good point.

[37:47] And,

[37:47] uh,

[37:47] and,

[37:48] uh,

[37:49] he goes all out,

[37:50] A for effort.

[37:51] Yeah,

[37:51] oh,

[37:51] sure.

[37:52] And then it's like,

[37:54] I don't remember,

[37:54] I missed if there was a line

[37:55] that was like,

[37:56] well,

[37:56] we've got some rope,

[37:57] like,

[37:58] she's just stuck

[37:58] at the bottom of the well,

[37:59] cut to the next scene,

[38:01] they walk back

[38:01] into the house.

[38:02] Like,

[38:03] did she climb out?

[38:04] What happened?

[38:05] I think she climbed out.

S2

[38:06] That's my thought.

[38:07] I mean,

[38:07] I have my own,

[38:08] there were gaps

[38:09] that I fill with my own.

[38:10] To be fair,

Dan McCoy

[38:11] Elliot,

[38:11] would the movie have been better

[38:12] if we saw her climbing out

Elliott Kalan

[38:14] on a rope?

[38:14] I think the movie

[38:15] might have been better

[38:16] if they had to deal

[38:17] with the fact that

[38:17] she was at the bottom

[38:18] of a well

[38:18] and there was a killer

[38:19] after them.

[38:19] That could have been

[38:21] the whole movie

[38:21] right there.

[38:21] I've got a movie

Dan McCoy

[38:22] for you,

[38:23] it's called

[38:23] The Ruins.

[38:25] You can watch that film.

Elliott Kalan

[38:26] If the Wind-Up

[38:27] Bird Chronicle

[38:27] can have its main character

[38:28] at the bottom of a well

[38:29] for like 100 pages,

[38:32] Boiler alert.

[38:34] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[38:36] Then...

[38:36] For all your Murakami fans,

Elliott Kalan

[38:37] Boiler alert.

[38:38] Yeah,

[38:38] Haruki Murakami

[38:39] wrote Sorority Row,

[38:40] right?

[38:41] That's why there was

[38:42] a cat in it

[38:43] named Naboru Watanavi?

Dan McCoy

[38:46] He did an uncredited polish

[38:49] along with the...

[38:50] That's why the characters

[38:51] spend so much time

Elliott Kalan

[38:52] making pasta

[38:52] and doing their laundry.

[38:53] Well,

S2

[38:54] it's also why the movie

[38:54] doesn't make any sense.

[38:55] That's for all your

[38:55] Murakami fans.

[38:56] Because he did a polish on it

[38:57] but he did it in Japanese

[38:58] and they never translated it.

Dan McCoy

[39:00] Oh,

[39:01] I getcha.

[39:02] Well,

[39:03] we should wrap up

[39:04] our discussion.

[39:05] We were talking for a while.

[39:06] We had a lot more to say

Elliott Kalan

[39:06] about Sorority Row

[39:07] than I thought we would.

Dan McCoy

[39:08] You always feel that way.

[39:10] You're right.

[39:10] You always think

[39:11] that there's nothing

[39:12] to be said about a movie

[39:13] and then the tape

[39:14] starts rolling.

[39:16] Yeah,

[39:16] we record on tape.

Elliott Kalan

[39:18] Dan has a dat machine.

[39:21] We're actually

[39:21] taping over a mixtape

[39:23] that Dan made.

[39:25] He's got...

[39:25] So you might hear

[39:26] little bits of

[39:27] Tears for Fears

[39:28] or the String Cheese

Dan McCoy

[39:31] incident.

[39:31] I'm glad that

[39:32] podcast listeners

[39:34] should feel good

[39:35] that I'm recording

[39:35] over my treasured memory.

[39:36] That's right.

S2

[39:37] He's got a circa

[39:38] 1987 boombox

[39:40] and he's got the

[39:41] record and play button

[39:42] pressed together.

[39:43] He has to hold them down

[39:44] with his fingers though.

[39:45] Right.

[39:45] They don't stay down

[39:46] anymore.

[39:47] Yeah.

[39:47] All right.

Elliott Kalan

[39:49] All right.

[39:49] We're speaking

[39:49] until the tiny

[39:50] microphone slits

[39:51] on the side

[39:52] of the boombox.

Dan McCoy

[39:54] What we do now

[39:57] is we render

[39:58] our final judgments

[39:59] before...

[40:00] God.

[40:02] ...

[40:03] before consigning

[40:03] Sorority Row

[40:05] to the trash heap

[40:06] of Flophouse episodes.

[40:08] And the categories

[40:10] are was this

[40:11] a good bad movie

[40:12] a bad bad movie

[40:13] or a movie

[40:14] that you actually

[40:14] enjoyed in some way.

[40:16] And I'm going to

[40:18] give you time

[40:18] to stew on that

[40:19] Eric.

[40:20] I'm going to go to

[40:20] Ellie.

[40:20] Stew.

[40:21] See he can't

[40:22] not bring up

[40:22] Stuart.

[40:23] He can't get Stuart

[40:23] off his mind.

Elliott Kalan

[40:25] Well wait.

[40:26] I'm turning to you.

[40:27] You know what?

[40:28] I don't think

[40:30] I'm going to go

[40:30] as far as to say

[40:31] this is a movie

[40:32] I actually liked

[40:32] a little bit.

[40:33] But maybe it's just

[40:34] that my mind

[40:35] has been ruined

[40:36] by all the really

[40:36] terrible movies

[40:37] we watched

[40:38] before this one.

[40:39] But I'm going to

[40:39] upgrade it from

[40:40] bad bad to

[40:41] good bad.

[40:42] There were a couple

[40:43] okay kills in it.

[40:45] It went by very quickly.

[40:47] There's a lot of

[40:48] cleavage in it.

[40:50] Compared to

[40:51] Whiteout

[40:51] this was

[40:52] a non-stop

[40:53] thrill ride.

[40:54] So maybe it's just

[40:55] that this is coming

[40:56] after a couple

[40:57] movies in a row

[40:57] that were like not

[40:58] that were really

[40:59] mind vaporizing.

[41:00] But I'm going to

[41:01] give this

[41:01] good bad status.

Dan McCoy

[41:04] Yeah.

[41:04] Eric do you want

[41:05] to weigh in?

S2

[41:06] Yeah.

[41:07] Well so those

[41:07] are my three

Dan McCoy

[41:08] categories.

[41:09] Or you can

[41:10] abandon them.

[41:11] I may abandon

S2

[41:12] them a little bit

[41:12] just because

[41:13] I think that it

[41:14] is a

[41:15] I would put it

[41:16] in that category

[41:17] of

[41:17] it is exactly

[41:20] what

[41:21] you expect it

[41:22] to be

[41:23] no better

[41:24] no worse.

[41:25] Like I always

[41:25] sort of hope

[41:26] those movies

[41:26] will be better

[41:27] than I think

[41:27] they are

[41:28] but realistically

[41:28] this is exactly

[41:29] what I expected

[41:30] it to be.

Dan McCoy

[41:31] See what I'm

[41:32] going to differ

[41:32] with you is

[41:33] I've seen

[41:33] enough bad

[41:35] movies that

[41:36] I can say

[41:37] that this is

[41:37] actually better

[41:38] than I expected

[41:39] it to be.

[41:39] Oh wow.

Elliott Kalan

[41:40] Yeah I feel

[41:40] that way too.

Dan McCoy

[41:42] I mean just

[41:42] because like

[41:43] It's still crappy.

[41:45] Yes but so

[41:45] many modern

[41:46] horror

[41:47] especially like

[41:48] teen horror

[41:49] remakes

[41:50] are

[41:51] completely

[41:53] boring.

[41:55] They don't

[41:55] they don't

[41:56] offer any

[41:56] sort of like

[41:57] Yeah movie

[41:58] like Prom Night.

[41:59] Yeah.

[41:59] They don't

[42:00] offer any

[42:00] sort of

[42:00] discreputable

[42:01] thrills.

[42:02] Like what I

[42:02] have to say

[42:03] about this

[42:03] movie is

[42:03] to me

[42:04] it straddles

[42:04] a movie

[42:06] I kind of

[42:06] enjoyed

[42:07] and a

[42:08] good bad

[42:09] movie

[42:09] simply on

[42:10] the basis

[42:10] of

[42:11] it seeming

[42:13] to want

[42:13] to be

[42:14] trashy.

[42:15] It's like

[42:15] making a few

[42:16] stabs in that

[42:17] direction.

[42:18] Stabs.

[42:20] Wordsmith

[42:20] with

[42:21] ladies

[42:21] snap them up

[42:22] with the

[42:22] kills

[42:23] and the

[42:23] cleavage

[42:24] and the

[42:24] some

[42:26] nudity

[42:27] and the

[42:27] just like

[42:28] silly

[42:29] like attempts

[42:30] of being

[42:31] like goofy

[42:31] and having

[42:32] some real

[42:32] like over

Elliott Kalan

[42:33] the top

[42:33] moments

[42:34] that were

[42:34] kind of

[42:34] fun.

[42:34] There were.

[42:35] There definitely

[42:35] were.

[42:35] It had like

[42:36] it's a movie

[42:37] where

[42:37] like the

[42:38] characters

[42:38] have gone

[42:39] through all

[42:39] the stuff

[42:39] and yelling

[42:40] and then

[42:40] it ends

[42:40] with them

[42:41] like walking

[42:42] away from

[42:42] the burning

[42:42] house

[42:43] in slow

[42:43] mo

[42:44] while some

[42:44] kind of

[42:44] like

[42:45] you know

[42:45] girl pop

[42:46] power anthem

[42:47] plays in the

[42:47] background.

[42:48] I think if

S2

[42:48] they had

[42:49] just

[42:49] if they could

[42:49] have just

[42:50] cut like

[42:51] 10 minutes

[42:51] off of it

[42:52] and just

[42:52] moved it

[42:53] faster.

[42:53] Well that's

[42:54] the problem.

Elliott Kalan

[42:54] There should

[42:55] have been

Dan McCoy

[42:55] less talk

[42:57] and more

[42:57] action.

[42:57] The entertaining

[42:58] stuff is

[42:59] you know

[43:00] between

[43:01] it's buffered

[43:02] by long

[43:03] scenes of

[43:03] people talking

[43:04] to each

[43:04] other and

[43:05] saying

[43:05] absolutely

[43:05] nothing.

[43:05] Yeah.

[43:06] It's like a

Elliott Kalan

[43:07] video game

[43:07] that has

[43:08] really long

[43:08] like scenes

[43:09] between the

[43:09] levels.

[43:10] Cut scenes.

[43:11] Yeah cut

[43:11] scenes and

[43:12] you're like

[43:12] I don't

[43:12] really care

[43:13] like what

[43:14] Samus

[43:15] Aaron's

[43:16] father is

[43:16] doing right

[43:17] now.

[43:17] Like we

[43:17] could just

[43:18] shoot more

[43:19] Metroids.

S2

[43:20] I don't

[43:21] understand

[43:22] either.

[43:23] That's for

[43:24] all the

[43:24] listeners that

[43:25] don't get

[43:25] what you're

[43:25] talking about.

Dan McCoy

[43:26] Metroid?

[43:27] Really?

[43:27] One of the most

Dan McCoy

[43:27] popular video

[43:28] game series

[43:29] ever.

[43:30] Metroid.

Elliott Kalan

[43:31] Okay well

[43:32] how about

[43:32] this?

[43:32] I don't

[43:33] really care

[43:33] what Yoshi

[43:34] is up

[43:35] to.

[43:36] I just

[43:36] want to

[43:36] fight more

[43:37] Bowsers.

[43:37] How about

[43:38] that?

Dan McCoy

[43:39] Fight more

[43:39] Bowsers?

Elliott Kalan

[43:40] Yeah you know

[43:40] the Bowser

[43:41] family.

[43:41] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[43:43] I thought

[43:43] maybe some

[43:44] Koopas

[43:45] some Goombas

[43:46] whatever I

[43:47] don't know.

S2

[43:48] Is that

[43:49] Super Mario

[43:49] Brother?

[43:49] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[43:50] Okay.

[43:50] I saw

[43:52] the movie.

[43:54] That's how

[43:54] you know

[43:55] the characters.

[43:56] How about

[43:57] this?

[43:58] I don't

[43:58] care what

[43:59] Ms. Pac-Man

[44:00] is up to

[44:01] right now.

[44:01] I know

[44:02] this one.

[44:02] I just

[44:02] want to

[44:03] eat more

[44:03] power pellets.

[44:04] Asteroids.

[44:05] No.

[44:05] Alright.

[44:06] We're moving

[44:06] on.

[44:07] You know

Elliott Kalan

[44:08] what?

[44:08] I don't

[44:08] really care

[44:09] what these

[44:09] Pongs

[44:09] are doing.

[44:10] I just

[44:11] want to

[44:11] Pong

[44:11] more Pong.

[44:13] I feel

[44:14] like I

[44:14] should know

[44:15] that one.

S2

[44:16] Give me

[44:16] a minute.

Dan McCoy

[44:17] Alright.

[44:18] So this

[44:18] is the

[44:19] letter

[44:20] section.

[44:21] This is my

[44:21] favorite part.

[44:22] We have a

[44:23] final few

[44:23] entries in

[44:25] the Give

[44:25] Dan a

[44:26] Hook

[44:26] competition.

[44:27] And I

[44:27] want to

[44:28] say some

[44:28] listeners have

[44:29] discovered it

[44:30] already.

[44:30] I've put up

[44:31] a poll

[44:33] on the

[44:34] website to

[44:36] find it.

[44:37] P-O-L-L.

[44:38] I don't

S2

[44:39] know why I

[44:40] found it

[44:40] funny.

[44:40] Harry is

Dan McCoy

[44:41] laughing so

[44:41] childishly.

[44:42] A P-O-L-L.

[44:44] I've put up

[44:45] a giant erect

[44:46] penis.

S2

[44:46] It's the way

[44:47] you emphasized

Dan McCoy

[44:48] it.

[44:50] Snap him up

[44:50] ladies.

[44:51] I've put a

[44:52] poll on the

[44:52] website that

[44:57] people can

[44:57] vote on.

[44:58] their favorite

[44:59] suggestion for

[45:00] my Hook to

[45:01] make me a

[45:02] more memorable

[45:02] member of the

[45:03] Flophouse.

[45:03] Because as we've

Elliott Kalan

[45:04] noted many times

[45:05] on the show,

[45:06] Dan is the

[45:07] Leonardo or

[45:08] the Cyclops of

[45:09] the group.

[45:10] He is the

[45:10] necessary leader,

[45:11] holds us

[45:12] together,

[45:13] inspiring,

[45:13] noble,

[45:14] unmemorable,

[45:15] nobody likes him.

[45:15] not thrilling.

[45:16] As opposed to

[45:17] I already have

[45:18] a catchphrase.

[45:19] Yeah,

[45:20] to me.

[45:21] Yeah,

[45:21] exactly.

[45:21] In one episode

[45:22] you have more

[45:24] of a hook

[45:24] than Dan does.

Dan McCoy

[45:25] So,

[45:26] it's already

[45:27] on the website

[45:28] but I'll put a

[45:28] link in this

[45:29] show's notes

[45:30] too and

[45:32] whatever gets

[45:33] the most votes

[45:34] the person who

[45:35] made that

[45:36] suggestion will

[45:37] get fabulous

[45:38] prizes.

[45:38] But,

Dan McCoy

[45:39] anyway,

[45:40] some last

[45:41] minute suggestions

[45:42] from Ben,

[45:43] last name

[45:44] withheld.

[45:45] In the quest

[45:47] for Dan's

[45:48] hook,

[45:48] I think Dan

[45:49] should...

[45:50] Wait,

Elliott Kalan

[45:50] right away,

[45:51] I'm watching

[45:51] that movie.

[45:52] In the quest

[45:53] for Dan's

[45:53] hook,

Dan McCoy

[45:54] four adventurers

[45:55] will join

[45:57] forces.

[45:58] I think Dan

[45:58] should turn

[45:58] to a secret

[45:59] weapon.

[46:00] I happen to

[46:00] know that Dan

[46:01] does a good

[46:01] imitation of

[46:02] Sir Michael

[46:02] Caine,

[46:04] star of

[46:04] stage and

[46:04] screen.

[46:05] It's true.

[46:06] It is true.

[46:07] My thought

[46:07] is that his

[46:08] hook could be

[46:09] rendering the

[46:10] final judgments

[46:10] in the style

[46:11] of various

[46:12] Michael Caine

[46:12] characters.

[46:13] Three,

[46:14] as Alfie

[46:14] Elkins calls

[46:15] powder blue

[46:16] derivative

[46:17] claptrap.

[46:18] Wonder as

[46:19] Jack Carter

[46:19] trashes from

[46:20] Justin to

[46:21] Kelly for

[46:22] his terrible

[46:22] art direction.

[46:24] Dare to

[46:25] keep from

[46:25] wetting

[46:25] yourself as

[46:26] Alfred Pennyworth

[46:27] deconstructs

[46:29] Bratz to

[46:29] the clickening.

[46:31] The possibilities

[46:32] are endless and

[46:33] will further

[46:34] cement Dan's

[46:35] place in the

[46:35] podcast hall of

[46:36] fame in

[46:37] construction now

[46:38] in Pierre,

[46:39] South Dakota.

[46:40] P.S.

[46:41] Stuart left

[46:42] out the highest

[46:42] form of comedy

[46:43] in his

[46:43] criticism of

[46:44] the ugly

[46:44] truth.

[46:44] The animal

[46:45] double take.

[46:46] I trust this

[46:47] will be

[46:47] rectified.

[46:48] Oh, I'm

[46:48] sure Stuart

[46:49] has much

[46:49] to say on

[46:50] the animal

[46:50] double take.

[46:52] Now, Ben

[46:52] was scooped

[46:53] a little by

[46:54] Ashley, who

[46:55] also put in

[46:56] as an alternate

[46:57] to her

[46:57] mournful

[46:57] sighing.

[46:58] I want to

[46:59] bring up

[47:00] thing.

Elliott Kalan

[47:00] Your hook

[47:01] is either

[47:02] an imitation

[47:03] of Michael

[47:03] Caine or

[47:04] mournful

[47:04] sighing.

Dan McCoy

[47:08] Eric, you

[47:08] and I

[47:09] hosted a

[47:09] couple of

[47:10] comedy shows

[47:11] as Michael

[47:12] Caine and

[47:12] Bob Hoskins.

[47:13] Yes, I

[47:13] did.

[47:13] I saw one

S2

[47:14] of those.

[47:15] Yeah, I

[47:15] played Bob

[47:17] Hoskins.

[47:17] You played

[47:18] Michael Caine,

[47:18] which makes

[47:19] sense because

[47:19] we're talking

[47:19] about your

[47:21] impression.

Dan McCoy

[47:21] Yeah, which

[47:22] I feel like

[47:22] I sort of

[47:23] slipped as I

[47:23] was reading.

S2

[47:24] Yeah, I

[47:25] haven't done,

[47:25] I honestly, I

[47:26] don't think I've

[47:26] done my

[47:27] Hoskins since

[47:28] we last did

[47:29] it, which

[47:29] is a couple

[47:29] years ago.

Dan McCoy

[47:32] We didn't

[47:32] prep anything.

[47:33] This is

[47:33] probably not

[47:34] going to

[47:34] happen.

[47:34] To paint a

[47:35] picture for

[47:36] the listeners,

[47:37] it was a

[47:37] lot of us

[47:38] making fun of

[47:39] each other's

[47:40] film choices

[47:40] and character.

[47:42] As in,

[47:43] like, well,

[47:44] you should know

[47:45] Super Mario

[47:45] Brothers because

[47:46] I'd always be

[47:47] like, oh,

[47:48] did you learn

[47:49] that when you

[47:50] were on

[47:50] Super Mario

[47:51] Brothers with

[47:51] John Leguizamo?

[47:54] That particular

[47:55] style of

[47:56] acting that

[47:56] you were

[47:57] employing

[47:57] right now?

[47:59] And it

[48:00] would go

[48:00] on like that.

[48:00] Right, and

S2

[48:01] then I would

[48:01] respond in

[48:02] some way

[48:02] like,

[48:03] Hoskins,

[48:03] uh, about

[48:06] the swarm.

[48:07] Yeah, sure.

[48:08] Jaws the

[48:08] Revenge.

[48:09] Jaws the

[48:09] Revenge.

[48:11] Cider House

[48:12] Rules.

[48:12] No, that's

[48:13] actually, it's

[48:13] a quality film.

[48:15] Well, we

[48:16] could argue

[48:16] it later.

[48:17] We could,

[48:18] but I'm not

[48:19] sure that it

[48:19] would go

[48:20] well.

[48:21] But no, we

[48:21] also, we

[48:22] invented a

[48:22] holiday in those

[48:23] shows, which I

[48:24] was very proud

[48:24] of.

[48:25] Because we

[48:26] hosted a

[48:27] July 4th

[48:30] show, but it

[48:31] was July 5th.

[48:33] Oh.

[48:33] But it was

[48:33] July 5th, and

[48:34] so we made it

[48:35] Good Riddance

[48:36] Day, which was

[48:37] a British

[48:37] holiday.

[48:39] They celebrated

[48:40] Good Riddance to

[48:42] the Americans.

[48:43] And I probably

[48:43] am now, like,

[48:44] Homeland Security is

[48:45] going to be all

[48:45] over me for

[48:46] saying this.

[48:46] Oh, yeah.

[48:47] They listened to

Dan McCoy

[48:47] Gerard Butler and

[48:48] Homeland Security,

[48:48] the only people

[48:49] listening to this

[48:50] podcast.

[48:50] especially because

[48:51] your hook for

[48:52] me is that I

[48:53] hate...

Elliott Kalan

[48:54] That you're a

[48:55] terrorist, basically.

[48:56] Oh, no.

[48:56] That you're an

[48:57] anti-government...

[48:58] My hook for

[48:58] Dan that I've

[48:59] suggested is he's

[48:59] an anti-government

[49:00] gun nut militia

[49:01] member who

[49:02] loves...

[49:03] He lives in a

[49:03] cabin.

[49:04] He loves the

[49:05] anarchist cookbook.

[49:07] Not a

[49:07] which is true.

[49:08] He puts out a

[49:08] newsletter called

[49:09] The Golden

[49:10] Eagle.

[49:11] I'm not sure

[49:11] that's a hook.

Dan McCoy

[49:12] All right.

[49:12] We're running

[49:12] out of time, so

[49:13] I'm going to

[49:13] speed through the

[49:14] rest of this.

[49:16] Brendan, last name

[49:17] withheld, says,

[49:18] I didn't realize

[49:18] the Give Dan a

[49:19] Hook contest was

[49:20] still going, but

[49:20] since it is, here's

[49:22] my entry.

[49:23] Dan's hooks should

[49:24] be hooks.

[49:25] Literal hooks.

[49:26] Dan can be the

[49:27] guy who has hooks

[49:27] for hands, a la

[49:28] Harold Russell from

[49:29] The Best Years of

[49:30] Our Lives.

[49:31] Think about it.

[49:31] Mechanical hooks

[49:32] will win Dan loads

[49:33] of sympathy and

[49:34] possibly even an

[49:35] honorary Oscar.

[49:36] Plus, think of all

[49:37] the sound effects

[49:38] possibilities.

[49:39] Is that a serial

[49:40] killer at the

[49:40] window?

[49:41] Nope.

[49:42] Just Dan's hook

[49:42] scraping along a

[49:43] chalkboard.

[49:44] Sometimes the best

[49:45] ideas are the most

[49:46] obvious.

[49:47] This is one of those

[49:47] times.

[49:48] Make Dan's hook

[49:49] hooks.

Elliott Kalan

[49:49] That's not a bad

[49:50] one.

[49:50] He was the only

[49:51] man to win two

[49:52] Academy Awards in

[49:54] one year for the

[49:55] same role.

[49:56] That is true, which

[49:56] is, I was going to

[49:57] say, what's the

[49:58] guy's name who

S2

[49:58] wrote this in?

[50:00] Brendan.

[50:00] Last name withheld.

[50:01] Brendan withheld.

[50:02] The last name is

[50:03] like the middle

[50:03] name, right?

[50:04] So it's Brendan

[50:04] withheld.

[50:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[50:06] So I, yeah, he's

[50:09] just, I feel like he

[50:09] got it a little bit

[50:10] wrong implying that

[50:11] Harold Russell only

[50:12] won an honorary.

[50:13] No, he also won

[50:14] Best Supporting Actor.

[50:15] He also won Best

[50:15] Supporting Actor,

[50:16] yes.

[50:16] So just, and

[50:18] was also great in

[50:19] Hollywood history.

[50:20] He was great in

[50:20] Inside Moves as

[50:21] well, which he did

[50:22] not win an Academy

[50:22] Award.

[50:24] Lastly.

Dan McCoy

[50:25] He could have been

[50:26] that great if he

[50:26] didn't win an Academy

[50:27] Award for it.

[50:29] Brian, last name

[50:30] withheld, said, these

[50:31] are all the same

[50:32] family.

[50:32] They're all related.

[50:33] Damn it.

[50:34] When is Elliot going

[50:35] to get his best

[50:36] friend Anne Hathaway

[50:37] on the show as a

[50:37] guest host?

[50:39] Not as if Amanda

[50:40] wasn't a great guest,

[50:41] it's just if he's

[50:42] going to continuously

[50:43] name drop Anne

[50:44] Hathaway.

[50:44] Never do.

[50:45] I never have.

[50:47] Anyway, I think

[50:48] Cy Guy Hook wins

[50:49] just because it gives

[50:49] Elliot so much to

[50:50] work with.

Elliott Kalan

[50:53] How is Anne Hathaway,

[50:54] by the way?

[50:54] Don't know.

[50:55] seen or talked to

[50:57] her since probably

[50:58] my senior year, her

[51:00] junior year of high

[51:01] school.

S2

[51:02] If we ever talked

[51:03] to them.

Dan McCoy

[51:03] You're a year older

[51:04] than Anne Hathaway.

S2

[51:05] I am.

[51:06] Everyone's on IMDb

[51:07] trying to figure out

[51:07] how old Anne Hathaway

[51:08] is and then figure out

[51:09] how old you are.

[51:10] They could just look

[51:11] up how old I am on

Elliott Kalan

[51:12] IMDb because I'm

[51:13] right there.

S2

[51:14] Ooh, I've been

[51:15] on IMDb.

[51:16] Or Wikipedia.

[51:18] You're on

[51:18] Wikipedia?

Elliott Kalan

[51:19] Yeah.

[51:19] With your age?

[51:20] I mean, it says

[51:21] what year I was

[51:21] born.

[51:23] Well, that, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[51:24] So Elliot's one up

[51:25] on you because

[51:25] you're just on

[51:26] IMDb.

[51:27] I'm on IMDb,

[51:28] but I don't have

[51:28] my age on IMDb.

[51:29] Actually, a lot of

Elliott Kalan

[51:29] today at the office

[51:30] was spent, we figured

[51:32] out the IMDb fame

[51:33] tracker system or

[51:35] star tracker or

[51:35] whatever it is, and

[51:36] we were seeing who

[51:37] in the writing staff

[51:37] is more famous than

[51:38] who else in the

[51:39] writing staff.

[51:39] I thought you were

Dan McCoy

[51:40] going to say that

[51:40] you were going to

[51:41] game the system to

[51:42] make you all much

[51:44] more famous.

Elliott Kalan

[51:44] No, no way.

[51:45] We were just trying

[51:46] to see who's famous.

[51:47] I was right in the

[51:48] middle of the writing

[51:49] staff.

[51:49] Huh.

S2

[51:49] That sounds about

[51:50] right.

[51:50] Probably because of

[51:51] the Flophouse.

[51:52] Maybe.

[51:53] It could be.

[51:53] Gerard Butler

[51:54] probably gave you a

[51:55] bunch of good

Dan McCoy

[51:56] reviews.

[51:56] He puts a lot of

[51:57] comments on the

[51:57] page, yeah.

[51:58] Exactly.

[51:59] So guys, we should

[52:01] make our

[52:02] recommendations quickly

[52:03] of movies that we've

[52:04] seen recently and

[52:05] actually enjoyed that

[52:07] one might watch

[52:08] instead of Sorority

[52:10] Row, say, even

[52:11] though we kind of

[52:12] enjoyed Sorority

[52:13] Row a little bit.

[52:13] But people shouldn't

[52:14] watch it.

[52:15] Yeah, well, I mean,

[52:15] if you like trash

[52:16] horror movies, it's

[52:18] fine, but I would

[52:19] recommend seeing a

[52:20] movie with sorority

[52:21] in the title from

[52:22] the 80s because it

[52:23] least then you'll

[52:24] have a lot more

[52:25] gratuitous shower

[52:27] scenes.

[52:28] True.

[52:29] Mm-hmm.

[52:31] Don't make me out

[52:32] to be the pervert.

[52:33] Someone's got to be.

[52:35] Stuart's not here.

S2

[52:36] I feel like you

[52:37] guys both gave it a

[52:38] more positive review

[52:40] than I did, and yet

[52:41] I'm the one that

[52:42] would be saying,

[52:42] listen, if you

[52:42] think you want to

[52:43] see this movie, go

[52:43] see it because

[52:44] you're going to get

[52:45] what you think you're

[52:47] going to get.

Elliott Kalan

[52:47] Yeah, that's true.

S2

[52:50] But I'm sure you

Dan McCoy

[52:51] have an old movie

[52:52] to recommend.

Elliott Kalan

[52:53] Sure.

[52:54] I think I will

[52:55] recommend what I

[52:56] saw.

[52:57] I have a

[52:57] recommendation and a

[52:58] plug.

[52:59] Bump, bump.

[52:59] My recommendation, I

[53:01] recently saw the

[53:01] original, not the

[53:02] original, actually, the

[53:03] first sound version of

[53:05] Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

[53:06] with Frederick March,

[53:08] for which he tied for

[53:09] best actor with the

[53:12] star of the champ.

[53:14] Wallace Beery.

[53:15] Wallace Beery.

[53:15] Thank you.

[53:17] But it's a movie that

[53:19] has a bunch of really

[53:20] good scenes that are

[53:21] mixed in with a bunch

[53:22] of kind of dull talky

[53:24] scenes.

[53:24] But it's a neat, it's

[53:25] worth watching and

[53:26] like occasionally like

[53:27] skimming through the

[53:28] talky scenes for the

[53:30] scenes with him as

[53:31] Hyde because he's so

[53:33] gross, like he looks

[53:34] like a caveman kind of,

[53:36] but he's still walking

[53:37] around London talking

[53:38] to people.

[53:39] And when the movie

[53:41] gets kind of violent

[53:42] and crazy, it gets

[53:43] really good and there's

[53:44] some neat things that

[53:45] they do with the

[53:46] camera and neat editing

[53:47] things that they do and

[53:48] a really neat fight

[53:50] scene at the end,

[53:50] especially for a movie

[53:52] from 31, I think,

[53:55] where it doesn't feel

[53:57] as stagey as a lot of

[53:59] movies back then.

[54:00] It feels like a movie

[54:01] from the late 30s in

[54:03] terms of the camera

[54:03] work and the way it is

[54:04] put together as opposed

[54:05] to a movie from the

[54:06] early 30s.

[54:07] That's probably because

[54:08] it's directed by Ruben

[54:09] Mamoulian who was

[54:10] more into experimenting

[54:11] with what he was

[54:12] doing.

[54:13] So that's the one I'd

[54:14] recommend Netflixing

[54:16] or Netflixing.

[54:18] Is that what they say?

[54:19] I think so.

[54:20] That's not what they

[54:20] say.

[54:21] But if you're looking

[54:21] to see a movie in

[54:22] person, then this

[54:24] episode will be up

[54:25] before April 7th,

[54:26] right?

[54:26] Yes.

[54:27] On April 7th, if

[54:28] you're in the New

[54:28] York area, I'll have

[54:29] my next closely

[54:30] watched film screening.

[54:31] It's the movie

[54:32] Kill!

[54:33] Exclamation point.

[54:34] Exclamation point.

[54:35] Kiru.

[54:36] It's a Japanese

[54:37] movie from 1968.

[54:38] And it is a samurai

[54:42] action satire.

[54:44] And it's very good.

[54:46] And I'd recommend it.

[54:47] And cartoonist Evan

[54:48] Dorkin will be joining

[54:49] us to talk about the

[54:49] film afterwards.

[54:50] Best known for

[54:51] milk and cheese.

[54:53] Milk and cheese.

[54:54] Dork.

[54:54] He just had a series

[54:55] recently called

[54:55] Beasts of Burden.

[54:56] About house pets that

Dan McCoy

[54:58] solve crimes.

[54:59] Space coast.

[55:00] Mm-hmm.

[55:01] Coast to coast.

[55:02] Yeah.

[55:02] Good stuff.

[55:04] Good stuff.

[55:05] Eric, do you have a

[55:05] recommendation?

S2

[55:06] Well, I will go with

[55:08] the last movie.

[55:11] Also, on video I saw

[55:13] this, or DVD.

[55:17] It's not watching

[55:18] VHS.

[55:18] I watch mine on VHS.

[55:19] Really?

[55:20] Yeah.

[55:21] Wow.

[55:22] It's coming back.

[55:23] But a great movie.

[55:24] I'd seen, obviously,

[55:25] before, but I recommend

[55:26] anyone who hasn't seen it

[55:28] in a long time,

[55:29] North by Northwest.

[55:30] Oh, sure.

[55:31] Just, I loved it.

[55:33] I'd always thought it

[55:33] was one of my favorites,

[55:35] and I watched it again

[55:36] and was, like, blown away

[55:38] all again.

[55:38] Just, when you see the

[55:40] movies now that are

[55:41] coming out that are

[55:41] trying to be these

[55:42] adventure, sort of

[55:44] comedy, sort of

[55:45] adventure, real thriller

[55:45] elements and all those

[55:46] things, and they just

[55:47] don't work, this is a,

[55:50] just such a fantastic

[55:52] example of how you make

[55:53] it all work, and, you

[55:54] know, brilliant star

[55:56] turn from Cary

[55:57] Grant, and, uh.

[55:59] They're all really

[55:59] good.

[56:00] James Mason is great

[56:01] in that.

[56:01] Martin Lando is

[56:02] really good in that.

[56:03] He's a Marine Saint

[56:03] is good in that.

[56:04] It's all great, and

[56:04] it's, it's just amazing.

[56:06] It starts so quickly.

Dan McCoy

[56:08] Leo G. Carroll.

[56:09] Leo G. Carroll is

[56:10] very good in it.

[56:11] Bernard Herrmann's

S2

[56:11] score is really great.

[56:13] Fantastic.

Dan McCoy

[56:13] Saul Bass's titles.

S2

[56:16] turns layman's

[56:16] screenplay.

[56:18] All of these things

[56:18] about it are great.

[56:20] Hitchcock's cameo,

[56:21] trying to get on the

[56:23] bus.

Dan McCoy

[56:24] The guy who

S2

[56:26] piloted the

[56:27] crop duster.

[56:28] Right, which, by the

[56:29] way, I didn't realize

[56:30] this, they had an

[56:31] extras.

[56:31] That wasn't planned.

[56:33] Like, that plane

[56:33] actually crashed and

[56:34] blew up.

[56:36] That's not true.

Elliott Kalan

[56:37] No, yeah, it was all

[56:38] planned.

[56:40] Hitchcock was not one

[56:41] of those directors where

[56:42] something would happen

[56:42] and he'd go, go with

[56:43] it, go with it.

[56:44] It was like Borat.

S2

[56:44] Make it real,

[56:45] everybody.

[56:46] It was like Borat.

[56:47] They just sent Cary

[56:48] Grant out there.

[56:49] Cary Grant didn't know

Elliott Kalan

[56:50] he was in a movie.

[56:50] Yeah, exactly.

[56:51] They made him think

[56:52] that he was framed for

[56:52] murder and on the run

[56:53] and that people thought

[56:54] he was a spy and they

[56:55] just wanted to see what

[56:56] would happen.

[56:56] Pretty much.

Dan McCoy

[56:57] Well, I'm going to

[56:58] recommend a movie that

[56:59] is, at best, one-eighth

[57:01] the thriller that

[57:02] North by Northwest is.

[57:04] Keep selling it.

[57:06] All I'm saying is if

[57:07] you haven't seen

[57:08] North by Northwest,

[57:09] watch that.

[57:10] Yes.

[57:11] A newer movie that I

[57:12] watched recently that I

[57:13] actually enjoyed a

[57:14] surprising amount was

[57:15] A Perfect Getaway.

[57:17] Oh.

[57:18] It had Steve Zahn.

[57:20] Right.

[57:21] Timothy Oliphant.

[57:22] Yovovich, Timothy

[57:22] Oliphant.

[57:24] And it was written and

[57:25] directed by...

[57:25] And an elephant.

[57:27] That's right, it's an

[57:28] elephant.

[57:29] Timothy Elephant.

[57:30] It was written and

[57:30] directed by David

[57:31] Toohey who did

[57:33] Pitch Black, which is

[57:34] a movie a lot of

[57:34] people like and I

[57:35] think is just okay.

[57:36] I like Pitch Black.

[57:37] It's no Chronicles

[57:38] Riddick.

[57:40] But it's a perfect

[57:42] getaway.

[57:43] It's about a couple

[57:44] of honeymooners in

[57:46] Hawaii.

[57:47] Wait, it's the

Elliott Kalan

[57:48] honeymooners go to

Dan McCoy

[57:49] Hawaii?

[57:49] It's about a couple

[57:50] of honeymooners in

[57:52] Hawaii who are

[57:53] walking a very

[57:56] deserted trail to a

[57:58] deserted beach and

[57:59] there's a news item

[58:01] about a couple that

[58:03] had been killed and

[58:04] another couple is

[58:05] supposed to be

[58:05] responsible and

[58:06] they encounter two

[58:09] other couples on

[58:09] this deserted trail

[58:10] and oh my god,

[58:11] who's the...

[58:12] Is one of them

[58:12] the killers?

[58:13] It's like Shoot to

[58:13] Kill.

Elliott Kalan

[58:14] Oh, I saw the

[58:14] trailer for this

[58:15] recently.

[58:15] It's like Shoot to

[58:15] Kill but with

[58:16] couples.

[58:17] Yeah.

[58:17] And it's Ralph

[58:18] Gramden and his

Dan McCoy

[58:19] wife and Art Carney.

[58:21] It gets a little

[58:22] too cute with like

[58:23] some of the meta

[58:24] stuff about it.

[58:25] Like one of the

[58:27] characters is a

[58:28] screenwriter and

[58:29] sort of like

[58:30] references certain

[58:31] like thriller

[58:32] tropes.

[58:33] So it's Shoot to

[58:34] Kill meets Scream.

[58:35] But they do have a

[58:37] lot of fun just like

[58:38] setting up real

[58:39] thriller plot points

[58:41] and paying them

[58:41] off.

[58:42] And most movies I

[58:44] feel these days like

[58:45] set up thriller plot

[58:47] points and then forget

[58:47] about them.

[58:48] So it's a pleasure just

[58:49] to see a movie that

[58:50] bothers paying off on

[58:51] things.

[58:52] That's good.

[58:52] And I guess the

[58:55] twist to the film

[58:56] basically in the

[58:57] opening credits but

[58:59] it was still enjoyable

[59:00] even so.

Elliott Kalan

[59:03] It's a movie.

[59:04] And yet you liked it

[59:04] more than North by

[59:05] Northwest.

[59:06] You said and I

[59:08] quote and I think

[59:09] the listeners will

[59:09] back me up on this

[59:10] here's a movie that

[59:11] is eight times better

[59:12] than North by

[59:12] Northwest.

[59:13] That's absolutely

[59:13] what I heard.

[59:13] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[59:14] Well let's roll

[59:15] back the tape and

[59:16] look at that.

[59:17] But for now.

[59:18] We're going to look

[59:19] at the tape?

[59:20] That's not going to

[59:20] tell us anything.

[59:20] I'm Dan McCoy.

[59:21] I'm Elliot Cailin.

[59:22] I'm Eric Zuckerman.

[59:24] Good night.

Elliott Kalan

[59:34] The rich rolling

[59:35] tones of Dan McCoy.

Dan McCoy

[59:37] The rich rolling

[59:39] hills of Dan McCoy.

S2

[59:41] Do you have a

[59:42] mute button for us

[59:44] for like when we're

[59:45] getting out of

[59:46] time?

S2

[59:46] I wish.

[59:47] Nope he doesn't

Dan McCoy

[59:48] but he wishes yeah.

[59:49] I would use that on

[59:49] Stuart and I would

[59:50] so often.

[59:52] Thank you.

The Flop House: Episode #57 - Sorority Row

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