The Flop House: Episode #61 - Surrogates

[0:00] I am Robot, and so is everyone else.

[0:03] In this episode we discuss the Bruce Willis film, Surrogates.

[0:30] I am Dan McCoy.

[0:37] I am Stuart Wellington.

[0:38] I am Elliot Kaelin.

[0:40] all three of us back together again in the same room reunited and it feels

[0:45] yeah yeah I mean coming in all too rare occurrence guys yeah me yeah I mean in a

[0:54] word yes but in a longer word no actually I guess that's a shorter word

[0:59] no you know we're busy people I know it travels a lot mm-hmm I travel a lot I'm

[1:05] travel blog yeah my travel blog what this what places would have looked like

[1:10] when dinosaurs were there I take photos of foreign places and then I draw in

[1:14] dinosaurs in marker over the photos and show what it would look like if there

[1:18] were dinosaurs there okay I like that why marker why is marker your medium I

[1:22] that's just what I happen to have on hand okay sure you know you should use

[1:27] charcoal charcoal it makes it look more old-timey like when dinosaurs were

[1:31] around but you mean like the 19th century you're saying when dinosaurs

[1:34] were around yeah yeah yeah you know how these like gloss finish photographs I

[1:38] think it'd be hard to yeah the charcoal wouldn't really stick to it I mean the

[1:41] marker smears that's the other problem so it looks like if a dinosaur was like

[1:45] walking past like a greasy window but yeah or an action scene shot by Ridley

[1:51] Scott yes take that sir Ridley so director of the upcoming Monopoly the

[1:59] movie so we watched a movie tonight we did at that it was called another notch

[2:05] in our belts surrogates or surrogates how I learned to stop worrying and love

[2:14] the surrogates this is the this is the second movie that we watched the

[2:19] flophouse that involves a world where people have avatars that they spend much

[2:25] of their time or in this case all of their time what was the first one gamer

[2:30] oh I didn't see that oh you you weren't there for that one oh that's right

[2:34] that's right can you can we can you summarize well except we recorded an

[2:38] entire podcast about it well the difference how would I download that we

[2:43] go to flop house podcast dot-com www flop house podcast iTunes user well if

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[3:00] podcast page is the first thing that comes up or you can type the flop house

[3:03] into iTunes itself and click subscribe where would I type it into I'm typing

[3:13] it into a Word document I can't find it it's not spend any more time explaining

[3:17] either gamer or podcast people who have already downloaded I'll just say to

[3:22] remind people the difference in game or what in surrogates people have robots

[3:25] that they control remotely and that the robots take their place control yeah but

[3:32] I mean they remote control is not a verb it's a noun control remotely is any who

[3:37] the in this one you have a robot and the robot takes your place normal life in

[3:41] gamer that's not like a horrible thing like a robot a doppelganger comes in and

[3:48] in gamer it was normal people who as a job get allowed their bodies to be

[3:55] controlled remotely by other people for a blood violent or perverse purposes

[3:59] yeah or if you were in the case of Gerard Butler you're I guess in prison

[4:03] and as part of your punishment you get thrown into the game and why was he in

[4:07] prison actually don't remember over gamer so but surrogates on the other hand

[4:13] posits a world where Dr. James professor James Cromwell has invented a way to

[4:17] control robots with your brain okay and according to the movie up the nation

[4:22] according to the movie the world 95% of humanity uses robots now in their entire

[4:27] daily lives and stay at home and lie in bed all the money comes from to

[4:32] manufacture these robots or to buy the robot yeah well that's what I'm saying

[4:36] like I mean there must be huge amounts of production costs and in building

[4:43] these high-tech robots so the fact that 95% of humanity can somehow afford these

[4:47] robots seems kind of no Dan can I just point out that 20 years ago if you said

[4:52] that everybody was gonna be walking around with a little personal telephone

[4:56] that they could talk to each other with 20 years ago that mad 20 years ago was

[5:00] 1990 and cell phones existed yeah but only like Zack Morris had him and he

[5:06] could stop time yeah he was a lizard tangible like physical like the size of

[5:14] the objects on that side you know like I mean this seems to be like equated more

[5:20] to like a high-end car though yeah they and although the but there we see there

[5:25] are different levels of robots some are crappier than others not really just

[5:28] though there's the one and while the road the army ones look a little bit

[5:32] less extra luxurious yeah and there's that one lady that looked like she was

[5:36] just wearing rubber gloves and those were her yes but it's the movie implies

[5:42] that or it's outright states that 95% of humanity would rather lie in a room all

[5:47] day instead of going outside and also that doing so would end racism and most

[5:53] crime yeah I'm not really sure how it ends crime I mean later on we see that

[5:59] you know like there's some sort of domestic abuse going on and someone at

[6:04] robot central is surveilling this and remotely shuts off the robot but we were

[6:09] told that that is new technology that they that they can do that so I'm not

[6:14] sure why like having much of robots running around keeps crime violent crime

[6:19] down because it seems like they would just be beating on each other as soon as

[6:22] they realize that there's no like moral reason why they shouldn't like that

[6:26] that baseball video game or robots right or you know your grand theft auto

[6:32] whatever like it seems like that would be what would happen like and mere

[6:36] anarchy would be loosed upon the world also it's there all it's like I have a

[6:40] surrogate robot that stands in for me and and you know so I can put like I can

[6:45] control my life but I still have to like ride the subway or ride a car you know I

[6:51] still have a car yeah you know drive a car no but that's the thing is like put

[6:57] a saddle on it but we've seen it but we see through the movie that the surrogates

[7:00] are super strong they can jump really far like why would you bother why would

[7:05] they still go through the motions of commuting when you could like just have

[7:09] your surrogate run to work you know or something like that that seems more

[7:12] exciting I don't know like they don't really cover maybe they're able to put

[7:15] their brains on like an autopilot or something or maybe and you don't see the

[7:19] surrogates like reading books or anything no that's true they do watch a

[7:23] lot of TV I assume we don't see that either yeah but uh we anyway we're told

[7:28] in the very beginning that this is now the new standard but there are preserves

[7:33] where humans who refuse to use robots live and they somehow are like like an

[7:40] autonomous yeah yeah Thomas like extra legal territorial zones there's the main

[7:45] one we see in the movie is right in the middle of Boston and as soon as you

[7:49] pass through their gates it's like you know Mad Max where everyone has a

[7:52] shotgun and they this reservation is built on top of a dump like it is just

[7:58] piles of rubble and refuse and waste and a nice garden yeah and that's what you

[8:05] get once you get further in I guess that they're that outside stuff is a

[8:08] scare away the surrogates yeah like going there that's a yeah the

[8:13] apocalyptic hell's on the middle like colonial Williamsburg or something yeah

[8:17] yeah it was playing stickball they had hoops hitting hoops with six to get them

[8:24] to move that's just a slippery slope to robots though yeah and those guys are

[8:33] led by character called the prophet who is Ving Rhames with lots of dreadlocks

[8:37] really inventive inventive name creative creative character the prophet yeah and

[8:42] the guys who don't believe in robots Carl I'll call that are called dreads

[8:47] even though none of them have dreadlocks except for Ving Rhames yeah is dreadlock

[8:51] wig because Ving Rhames I don't know if our listeners are aware the actor does

[8:57] not have super long dreadlock he's a clean-cut sort of fellow yeah yeah

[9:02] family man only occasionally do his dogs go crazy and kill landscapers yeah what

[9:10] happened once but uh into this into this incredibly well-conceived world

[9:14] walks a cop Bruce Willis sure we use a chip on his shoulder he's gonna wait in

[9:19] a microchip on his shoulder because he also uses a surrogate he doesn't like

[9:25] his microchip because it's related to a problem with his son but sure I think we

[9:36] made a lot of headway on this one microchips off the old block that's I

[9:42] mean that sounds like it like a Disney movie about a robot boy like 1978 the

[9:47] kids named chip Russell Russell plays the dead and the robot and Don Knotts

[9:54] plays the crazy inventor and Dean Jones is the suspicious neighbor

[10:00] the kids a robot also he turns into a dog sometimes

[10:04] uh...

[10:05] he's like a trans more for

[10:07] yet and it's called the computer war women's clothing when no one was around

[10:14] story of a cross-dressing teen super genius

[10:18] uh... disney's the uh... uh... and other may be a bit of stone is bruce willis

[10:23] that may remind me of a

[10:24] another bruce willis movie disney is the kid

[10:27] but i guess not

[10:28] where he he visits himself as a kid or himself as a kid comes to visit him

[10:33] but let's do this by just a kid well the thing is also like

[10:36] i guess they called it that because

[10:38] they wanted to differentiate from charlie chaplin's the kid with like

[10:42] listen a movie with this title came out eighty years ago

[10:45] we better call it makes put some possessiveness on this well yeah cause you'd go

[10:48] into the go the local picture house and say excuse me one for the kids sir and you'll be

[10:53] disappointed when they i wanted to use these the kid you know there were a lot

[10:57] of uh...

[10:58] i wanted to differentiate for people's children like the people that are

[11:02] children because there's the kid on that day like how did my son get in a movie

[11:06] of the other hand

[11:08] and that would actually been like a better

[11:11] better business plan for israel's people would be rushing in

[11:14] you know i think it is a little bit of a show that people are idiots yeah and

[11:19] when they see it

[11:19] uh... the kid written on a marquee they would assume it was speaking to them

[11:22] directly

[11:24] uh... anyway bruce willis uses surrogate his surrogate looks like

[11:27] that's how i felt when i saw throw mama from the train

[11:31] it's like i will not sir no no marquee stop telling me these things

[11:36] i will i refuse

[11:38] yeah and uh... i did i did listen when it told me to not tell mom that the

[11:41] babysitter had died

[11:44] but that was because in your case the babysitter had not died yeah it would have been a lie

[11:49] yeah and when it knew what i had done last summer yeah i went and saw a scream i mean c'mon

[11:56] oh larfs the timeline on that is correct

[12:01] thanks joke fact checker

[12:04] i was waiting now i will laugh now that i know that you could have seen scream the year

[12:08] before i know what you did last summer haha

[12:12] so surrogates uh... bruce willis is

[12:15] his surrogate is just him but like tanner and airbrush and he has a shitty

[12:18] toupee

[12:19] pardon my language

[12:21] uh... but

[12:22] bruce willis is how many wigs do you think they went through for this one

[12:25] what in the planning stages yes i assume they had design artists working for months

[12:30] more fake looking mark crash mccreary was doing sketches

[12:34] what the wigs would look like

[12:36] uh... he has a problem with his wife because his wife

[12:40] refuses to do anything not in her surrogate body

[12:43] and it stems

[12:44] i think you guys know what he's talking about

[12:48] oh boy

[12:50] going vacation is the main example we get in this

[12:53] but uh... it seems to stem from the fact that they had a son who died in some

[12:57] sort of unspecified accident

[12:59] and

[13:00] their marriage has never healed and her face got a little scarred in whatever

[13:04] accident it was

[13:05] so she's retreating into robot

[13:08] yes

[13:10] uh... it's just like ordinary people

[13:13] it is like ordinary people but with robots ordinary robots

[13:17] uh... yeah

[13:19] anyway so

[13:20] bruce willis is investigating the death

[13:22] of the son of the man who invented surrogates

[13:26] wasn't that dr james cromwell? it was

[13:30] as the same man as we said who

[13:33] discovered the warp drive

[13:35] uh... taught a pig to herd sheep

[13:38] and was married to queen elizabeth the second

[13:41] headed up the l a uh... police department for a time in the forties yes and he was

[13:46] uh... james coco's valet

[13:48] when he went to uh... truman capote's mansion

[13:51] in murder by death

[13:52] he was also in he also played a nazi in uh...

[13:56] the cheap detective wasn't he the president for a time during uh... jack

[14:00] ryan's tenure in the c.i.a.

[14:02] uh... maybe i don't remember anyway he was also a george bush

[14:06] oh

[14:07] interesting any married into the fisher clan

[14:11] the famous funeral homeowners

[14:14] before getting dementia somehow

[14:17] from using a neti pot if i recall we hope you've enjoyed this james cromwell

[14:22] james cromwell this is your life james cromcast

[14:26] and now on to oliver cromwell

[14:30] former lord protectorate of england

[14:33] during the republic period

[14:35] and we'll talk about thomas cromwell

[14:37] so there's a lot of uh... there's a murder somehow

[14:41] this someone hasn't has a weapon that can kill people through their surrogates

[14:45] hell you say yes

[14:46] in it and it looks like a dust buster but it shoots out electricity

[14:50] which goes through the surrogates optics or makes sense eyes as we would call them

[14:55] and skills kills with their their eye blanks and kills them kills the user on

[15:00] the other end it melts their brain if i remember

[15:04] so it's not a case but no

[15:06] but i don't know

[15:08] by i don't know but i like a weapon

[15:10] so i don't know if you have a little it's a little bit

[15:15] uh... and i don't know how into how much detail we want to get into the

[15:18] district at the end you know i get to the solution because i don't think

[15:21] there's a little bit this is a running around as a lot was the most there's a

[15:24] lot of running around in twist that don't really fit together

[15:28] and it turns out of the end of that

[15:29] james cromwell creator of surrogates now sees it as a plague on humanity

[15:33] people have become addicted to it

[15:35] and so he's been controlling the profit who was actually a robot

[15:40] spoiler alert

[15:41] and salary he has a plan to

[15:44] hook up the device that kills people

[15:48] kind of he has a he's a plan to hook up the device that kills surrogates

[15:53] to this massive computer network that allows them to

[15:56] see and control every surrogate in the world i guess some

[16:00] for some reason the fbi has control of this

[16:02] uh... and

[16:03] kill everyone in the world he's a surrogate because as he says

[16:07] the only way to cure the addiction is to kill the addict

[16:10] which is technically not true

[16:12] uh... not at all

[16:14] and at the last minute you ever been addicted to using a robot

[16:18] no that's true that's a good point

[16:22] they do not kill people at rehab centers but that i know of robots i don't know

[16:27] they kill the part of them that's fun maybe they replace them with robots

[16:31] maybe that's how the rehab centers work it's like the stepford wives holy shit that makes a lot of sense

[16:34] guys let's write that screenplay

[16:36] i don't think so

[16:38] you think they'd replace them with robots that were better at getting their life back

[16:44] the robotning

[16:47] uh...

[16:49] thank you for cheapening it by the way

[16:51] the climax comes down to bruce willis making keystrokes

[16:55] on a computer keyboard at the behest of a

[16:58] handcuffed fat man who tells him what to do

[17:02] it's literally like

[17:03] dun dun dun dun dun dun

[17:05] okay move to the console on the left okay shift alt type in the password

[17:10] you know red 253 there's that big moment where he's like hit enter and nothing

[17:14] happens and he's like oh wait a minute

[17:17] shift enter and you're like oh thank god

[17:20] uh... that was a that was a close one all the users almost died yeah well he saves the

[17:24] users from dying but then there's apparently

[17:26] a second protocol of this which is just to switch off the robots

[17:31] and uh... dismantle them

[17:33] and apparently uh... james cromwell didn't think that was that was good

[17:36] enough before he could have just switched off all the robots well he might not have

[17:40] known that you could put up a firewall

[17:43] in the network to shut people out of their robots it is new technology

[17:48] uh... yeah that's true and uh...

[17:51] so the he puts up a

[17:54] wall of fire

[17:55] which

[17:56] instantly shoots people boost people out of their robots the robots shut down the

[18:01] people are okay and then everybody walks outside in a daze

[18:05] the way people do like after an atomic bomb blast or

[18:08] like when someone has been transported to the future and like is walking around

[18:12] like

[18:14] giant metal birds or if it's like the first snow that the world has seen in like ten

[18:18] thousand years the dreamer awakes

[18:21] yes exactly thank you for the literary

[18:23] uh... but then like uh...

[18:25] everybody's fine they seem to uh...

[18:28] accustom themselves to it yeah very quickly

[18:30] and they all looked okay like they didn't look that fucked up

[18:33] i expected these people who lived all their life

[18:36] sitting in a chair well they could walk i mean that was what yeah their muscles had not

[18:40] atrophied well they have to get up to use the can so they do get up to go to the

[18:43] refrigerator

[18:45] and uh... i gotta i gotta imagine there's got to go to the fridge get a

[18:49] mini surrogate that goes to the refrigerator for you

[18:52] i well i mean bruce willis does use his surrogate to pour him a glass of

[18:57] vodka at one point

[18:58] which as steward pointed out is probably svedka because

[19:01] as we know from the billboards and ads that is the vodka of robots

[19:05] future robots

[19:07] uh... to start buying svedka

[19:10] svedka you know and then you can bribe the robots that are going to take over the world

[19:14] but yet everyone uses currency

[19:17] the whole thing is about like

[19:18] you can use these beautiful robots to look beautiful all the time but the

[19:22] people who walk out are just like

[19:23] normal people like it's not like they're

[19:26] particularly even old not like mole people or anything

[19:29] yeah but what's more i think more to the point though as you said uh... i think

[19:34] stewart or or or maybe it was elliot but uh... that like

[19:38] if everyone's beautiful in this world that completely devalues physical beauty

[19:41] anyway

[19:42] i don't know i probably didn't say that people say that

[19:45] but uh...

[19:47] i actually don't know if that's totally true

[19:49] i mean i feel like uh... i feel like what will happen is that if everyone in

[19:53] the world was beautiful then like

[19:55] people would uh... sort of just veer towards their particular like physical

[19:59] preference

[20:00] is maybe more specific, like Stuart with his large breasts, say, or Elliot with his large breasts.

[20:07] So you made it sound like we both have large breasts as opposed to being attracted to women with breasts.

[20:13] Yeah.

[20:14] Well, as opposed to no breasts?

[20:17] I didn't want to say anything, guys, but get some bras.

[20:21] Yeah, well, I can't really help it.

[20:23] It's embarrassing in here.

[20:24] They've got to go free.

[20:26] Listen, I burned mine, my bra, that is.

[20:29] And I have a hormone problem.

[20:33] I have a hormone success.

[20:37] What, almost glass half empty?

[20:39] I think of myself as homo superior.

[20:41] My mutant power is boobs.

[20:43] Sure.

[20:44] You'd be popular at the X-Mansion, I would imagine.

[20:48] Not if my own education was any, my actual school history was any indication.

[20:53] Beauty, go home.

[20:54] That's what I have to say to you, sir.

[20:56] So it's to the Morlocks with you.

[20:58] Yep, living with Callisto underground till Storm becomes queen.

[21:02] From that knife fight.

[21:03] Yeah.

[21:04] Oh, man.

[21:05] X-Man, huh?

[21:06] Anyway, anyhoo, but the movie posits a world where, for some reason, humans and humans who speak through robots cannot coexist.

[21:15] No.

[21:16] Yeah.

[21:17] And why would they?

[21:18] Because, why not?

[21:19] As you kept pointing out, like, they kept, like, the surrogates kept calling humans meatbags or something like that.

[21:27] Yeah, but it's humans speaking through the surrogates, like.

[21:30] Yeah, it's not like the, I mean, I'm assuming, I'm assuming that the user is not, like, saying, hey, look at that human, and then the robot immediately translates.

[21:39] Into a slur.

[21:41] Yeah.

[21:42] But it's, the movie didn't seem to understand at times itself whether characters were robots or whether they were people playing things.

[21:50] And, like, you could see the actors, some would be super stiff and roboty and others were just acting like normal people.

[21:56] I think that would clarify with all the extras and everybody in the movie, like, guys, you're not actually robots.

[22:03] Like, you don't have to walk like Frankenstein, you know.

[22:05] Frankenstein's a monster.

[22:06] You would think that the director, Jonathan Mostow, would have told people, like, okay, you know, it's a movie about robots, but you are people, so don't act all roboty.

[22:16] Don't talk like this.

[22:18] I mean, Jonathan Mostow has made okay movies in the past.

[22:22] What else did he make?

[22:23] Well, he made Breakdown, which is a fun B-thriller.

[22:26] He made Terminator 3, which is not great, but it's certainly better than Terminator Salvation.

[22:30] There's robots in that.

[22:31] Yeah.

[22:32] Yeah.

[22:33] By the way.

[22:34] The cyborgs.

[22:35] He made that submarine movie, the U-571, which I never saw, but I heard it's okay.

[22:41] Is that the one that changed history to say that America found the Enigma machine and then cracked the code?

[22:47] I think that might be the one.

[22:48] With Bon Jovi in it?

[22:50] Yes.

[22:51] Yeah.

[22:52] Yes!

[22:53] That is chutzpah, let me tell you.

[22:54] We could hire actors with English accents.

[22:56] Eh, we'll just say America did it.

[22:58] Yeah.

[22:59] It's like the movie where the French drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and end World War II.

[23:06] What's that movie?

[23:07] It's called Enola Gay-Perry.

[23:11] Nice, I like it.

[23:12] And it stars Gerard Depardieu, Jean Reno, and…

[23:17] Come on.

[23:18] Checky Cario.

[23:19] Boom.

[23:20] That's the third one.

[23:21] We've got it made.

[23:22] All right.

[23:23] Let's pitch this movie.

[23:24] Well, I mean, certainly he's made competent films in the past, and this is not one.

[23:27] Do you think he just overcomplicated his direction to the actors where he's like, okay, you're a human controlling a robot, so you should act like a robot body being controlled by a human?

[23:38] Maybe.

[23:39] Which obviously would make some people overthink their performance a little too much.

[23:43] Yeah.

[23:44] And they start turning all jerky and make…

[23:47] The sound effects.

[23:49] And what's weird is that Bruce Willis, who for most of the movie is not playing a robot, is the least human character, I think, in the entire film.

[23:56] Despite his goatee.

[23:58] Despite his goatee and bald head.

[24:00] I think he was cast for his minimalist acting style, perhaps.

[24:04] Maybe.

[24:05] Who's the most robot-y major actor in Hollywood?

[24:09] At this point, it's like he's putting as little energy as possible into things as an experiment.

[24:15] Yeah, it's like a joke on someone.

[24:17] He is like – I want to see a movie with Nicolas Cage and Bruce Willis because they seem to be at opposite ends of the pole right now, where Bruce Willis is just like literally a glacier and Nicolas Cage is – if there's any way he can make something crazier and more extreme, he will do it.

[24:34] That movie would be called Crappy Movie.

[24:37] It would be called Twins 2.

[24:40] Now I'm imagining the movie we just watched but with Nicolas Cage in the starring role.

[24:44] You know what?

[24:45] More exciting.

[24:46] I actually would have loved to have seen Nicolas Cage in a movie like this where he can't – also because Bruce Willis is a character who decides that society as it is has gone crazy but he never really – he doesn't even come across as an angry cop.

[25:02] He just comes off as a sad, tired guy when Nicolas Cage, at least, you could buy this was a guy that –

[25:09] He was living on the edge.

[25:11] Exactly.

[25:12] Living on the edge.

[25:13] You can't help yourself from falling.

[25:16] Thank you.

[25:18] You brought up the point that –

[25:20] Dan is – extra dialogue for Dan contributed by Steven Tyler.

[25:23] You brought up the point that his character realized that the society is kind of on the edge or whatever and I think the movie spends way too much time trying to convince the viewer that this is like a severe issue.

[25:35] Yeah, this is an important thing.

[25:37] And we don't – why would we care?

[25:40] This doesn't matter at all.

[25:42] This doesn't translate to our actual life.

[25:44] Well, I mean I think that we are supposed to, to some degree, take this as like a metaphor for like our plugged in –

[25:51] For what?

[25:52] Like Facebook?

[25:53] Internet.

[25:54] Well, exactly, but it's so extreme.

[25:55] Internet.

[25:56] It goes so far.

[25:58] Were you calling out to your internet?

[26:00] Giving an internet shout out.

[26:02] This is a podcast.

[26:03] You're like, what?

[26:04] What?

[26:05] Internet.

[26:06] Internet.

[26:07] Okay.

[26:09] If I was a juggalo, yeah.

[26:11] But this is such an extreme like version of that.

[26:14] Extreme version of that.

[26:16] Like as we were saying, like no one is going to give up on the idea of like –

[26:21] Can you just do that every time Dan says something else?

[26:24] Every time Dan says the word extreme, yeah.

[26:26] No one is going to give up on actually having like physical sex.

[26:34] I mean some people might, but like not 95% of the –

[26:37] But even if –

[26:38] No one is going to give –

[26:39] Like 95% of people aren't going to give up on going outside and seeing the sun occasionally.

[26:43] Yes.

[26:44] Taking a shit.

[26:45] Well, they still do that.

[26:46] They still do that.

[26:47] Eating delicious food.

[26:48] Well, they might still do that.

[26:49] I think too.

[26:50] I mean we see him eating like toast or something.

[26:53] What I don't understand is if you're walking around in a robot body, why are you –

[26:57] All right.

[26:58] I'm putting myself there.

[26:59] Hold on.

[27:00] Okay.

[27:01] Why are you walking around wearing like –

[27:03] Beep boop.

[27:04] Okay.

[27:05] Guys, this is fucking serious shit.

[27:07] Sorry.

[27:08] Why would you wear normal human clothes?

[27:10] Instead of like armor?

[27:12] Yeah, I'd wear like armor or like a bunch of battle axes.

[27:16] Or just go nude.

[27:17] Or go nude.

[27:18] Exactly.

[27:19] It's a movie where people are putting it along across the pretense of not being robots even though everyone is a robot.

[27:26] Do you –

[27:27] Yeah, that's the thing.

[27:28] And do you think that the reason is because if they tried to have a surrogate that was a non-standard human body that it might –

[27:38] Break the budget?

[27:39] The user might have difficulty interfacing with that?

[27:42] Like if they tried to put like somebody's surrogate instead of what was a human, it was like a car?

[27:47] I think they would have difficulty affording that for this movie.

[27:52] But you make a good point because like in something like Second Life, people want to choose –

[27:57] A lot of people choose like animal bodies or like crazy things.

[28:02] Yeah, whereas in this, it's just like I guess I'll be a prettier looking person.

[28:07] And at one point, we see that.

[28:09] Or a girl.

[28:10] Or a girl.

[28:11] There should be like all these fucking cosplay people walking around.

[28:14] Like there should be elves.

[28:15] Although on the other hand –

[28:16] In a way, they all were cosplay people.

[28:18] Although on the other hand, like the majority of people I think are not interested in looking like elves or monsters.

[28:23] But you would still have some of them.

[28:26] In a world where you can look like anything.

[28:30] More people would look like elves.

[28:33] I guarantee it.

[28:35] Surrogates 2.

[28:37] Surrogates 2.

[28:39] People look like elves sometimes in this one.

[28:43] The elvening.

[28:47] Elvelectric Boogaloo.

[28:49] We're talking like Tolkien elves, right?

[28:52] We're not talking about like Christmas elves.

[28:55] I didn't know people were into that.

[28:57] Oh, yeah.

[28:58] They call it cookie play.

[29:02] Terrible Japanese animation elves.

[29:04] That's what I was going to say.

[29:05] Well, like Pikachus and stuff.

[29:07] People would look like Naruto's basically, right?

[29:10] Because I go to Comic Con.

[29:12] When I go to Comic Con, there's a ton of Naruto's walking around.

[29:16] And Stormtroopers.

[29:18] It's all Naruto's and Stormtroopers.

[29:21] Well, that's the other thing.

[29:22] I wish they could have licensed like fictional characters from other movies.

[29:24] Because if I could have a surrogate character, maybe I would have like Boba Fett.

[29:29] Who would go around as like Mark Twain?

[29:34] Then you're just Hal Holbrook.

[29:38] You could walk around dressed like Mark Twain now if you wanted to.

[29:42] You'd be walking around being like,

[29:44] the reports of my death were greatly exaggerated.

[29:47] Beep boop.

[29:49] Robo Twain.

[29:50] Like a mint julep?

[29:52] Yeah, probably.

[29:53] That was the signature drink, right?

[29:55] You would treat surrogates as an elaborate prank.

[30:00] You got punked, I'm a surrogate.

[30:04] I'm not really Mark Twain.

[30:08] I guess you can make the case it's a metaphor for like

[30:12] we're not interacting with life when we spend so much time online.

[30:16] Like online for the movies?

[30:20] No, online computers.

[30:24] You know like a sandwich?

[30:28] It's like if I wanted to say sandwich but I wanted to say it really fast.

[30:32] I see. Sandwich, you can say that pretty quickly.

[30:36] I sound more like a kid on the street.

[30:40] You mean like an abandoned orphan? Or like a newsie?

[30:44] I mean I might have a home, I'm still a newsie though, I'm not abandoned.

[30:48] What parent lets their kid be a newsie if they have a home?

[30:52] Well a parent only encourages dancing and singing.

[30:56] Oh man.

[31:00] It just seems like they want to convince us that this is a really

[31:04] serious thing we need to think seriously about but it's a goofy idea.

[31:08] Until they listen to this podcast in 30 years

[31:12] when everyone is using surrogates.

[31:16] This is a much smaller objection but as long as we're talking about logical problems with this movie

[31:20] of which there were many, I still don't understand

[31:24] why the non-surrogate reservations

[31:28] which were still inside the borders of the US were not bound by US law.

[31:32] They impede these FBI investigations with impunity.

[31:36] They had some kind of treaty between the reservations and the government

[31:40] but it implies that the government made it like

[31:44] all right, everyone surrogates now.

[31:48] So we're going to do this surrogate thing and anyone who doesn't, you're going to have to live in your reservation.

[31:52] It doesn't make sense.

[31:56] I get a weird sense of apology from the surrogate world where they're like

[32:00] well we sent an FBI agent in there in a surrogate body and they destroyed it.

[32:04] Well we feel kind of bad because we kind of pushed them out of our world

[32:08] because we all have robot bodies.

[32:12] It's almost like they're apologizing for the fact that they're weirdos that want to walk around in robot bodies.

[32:16] Yeah and they did a very poor job of establishing these people as a religious organization

[32:20] which is the only way I could see that working.

[32:24] They follow God and the prophet but there's no uniformity of clothing or talk or action.

[32:28] There's no ritual aspect to any of it.

[32:32] It just seems like a bunch of slobs are hanging around in a dump.

[32:36] Native American reservations, they have their own police enforcement.

[32:40] But also the difference is Native Americans have reservations where they control it

[32:44] because they used to control the entire American continent.

[32:48] These people are just people who opted out of being robots

[32:52] but they were still U.S. citizens.

[32:56] They should not be able to just throw up their own government.

[33:00] Let's go to one of these reservations.

[33:04] Unless that was the metaphor they were going for in which case they should have had

[33:08] like flesh bag casinos and things like that.

[33:12] Duty free shops for meat bags.

[33:16] I think of Strange Days which is not an amazing movie.

[33:20] It's a better example and one of the things that I think makes it better is that…

[33:24] It's by an academy award winning director, right?

[33:28] That movie also has kind of like a wacky technology in it

[33:32] but they don't allow that to be the entire focus of the movie.

[33:36] It's kind of like an additional element.

[33:40] That's like a different tool for making a murder mystery movie.

[33:44] Everyone in this society is jacked in as they say in Strange Days.

[33:48] It's a drug that some people use

[33:52] but it's not the complete focus of this future world.

[33:56] Yeah, there's no moment where he's like,

[34:00] everybody needs to not jack in and jack off.

[34:04] Sorry.

[34:08] That was not low hanging fruit.

[34:12] That was a piece of fruit on the ground that you picked up and shoved in your mouth.

[34:16] You have a disease now.

[34:20] Who knows how many worms were in that piece of fruit?

[34:24] Well, I mean on that great note, I think that we need to move on.

[34:28] Okay, great note.

[34:32] I don't know.

[34:36] We need to move on to Final Judgments.

[34:40] Is it a good bad movie, a bad bad movie or a movie that you kind of liked in some way?

[34:44] Elliot?

[34:48] I was thinking about this before we started recording that.

[34:52] It's not bad enough that it's a bad bad movie

[34:56] but it's not good enough to be a good bad movie.

[35:00] There were some interesting moments in it maybe

[35:04] and I liked one of the stunt chase scenes

[35:08] where you're getting the crap kicked out of it.

[35:12] It's kind of like the one where you just drove into a bunch of robots on the sidewalk.

[35:16] And the robots just collect on the windshield

[35:20] because the image of a robot that's missing an arm and it has a gun in the other one

[35:24] and is running after somebody is always great.

[35:28] Otherwise, the movie is just kind of like not really terrible.

[35:32] It's just kind of the plot is a logical

[35:36] and the climax is dumb.

[35:40] It's somewhere in the middle of those two poles.

[35:44] I'm probably going to say a bad bad movie.

[35:48] I wanted it to be kind of goofier and sillier than it actually was.

[35:52] More like pseudo robot crap

[35:56] or like a scene in iRobot where Chi McBride is shooting robots in slow motion with a shotgun while smoking a cigar.

[36:00] This movie did not feature that.

[36:04] There's a couple of silly bits

[36:08] but there's nothing terrible enough to make this a watchable movie.

[36:12] It's a movie about a world where people use super attractive robots of themselves everywhere

[36:16] that has very little sense of humor.

[36:20] It's like they could have done more ridiculous things with the premise

[36:24] and had more fun with it.

[36:28] I'm going to say it's a bad bad movie.

[36:32] It's in the area for me of trying to be a movie of ideas.

[36:36] I always think that's hilarious when a movie is not good

[36:40] but it's trying to make these philosophical points.

[36:44] Every point that this movie makes is so inane that that's kind of fun

[36:48] but it's not enough to rescue it.

[36:52] The point of it is that people shouldn't be robots.

[36:56] Take that to heart, guys.

[37:00] If there's anyone listening right now who is a robot…

[37:04] We're thinking of becoming a robot.

[37:08] Don't do it. Don't get inside that mech.

[37:12] Well, being in a mech is different.

[37:16] That's basically like piloting a ship of some kind.

[37:20] So sounds of paper crinkling.

[37:24] Yeah, I'm unfurling.

[37:28] The flop house movie mailbag.

[37:32] Letters. We get letters. We get lots and lots of letters.

[37:36] Mailbag!

[37:40] He won't because I've deafened him.

[37:44] Like at the end of Event Horizon?

[37:48] I made him pull out his own eardrums with his tiny fingers.

[37:52] So I've been actually saving these letters for a while

[37:56] for all of us to be here together.

[38:00] You'll hear a reference to a date in here that is a while back.

[38:04] July the 7th, 1869.

[38:08] The dog's alive!

[38:12] We've been waiting to deliver this letter for 50 years!

[38:16] All right, Joe Flaherty.

[38:20] This is from Eddie Last Name Withheld.

[38:24] This is from Joe from May 3rd.

[38:32] Did Al Capone ever actually say,

[38:36] Eh, see? I instantly pictured Elliot's face.

[38:40] Discuss.

[38:44] Well, obviously I've had an effect on John.

[38:48] Old timiness.

[38:52] Hepatitis C joke.

[38:56] Sargasso C.

[39:00] Vitamin C.

[39:04] ABC.

[39:08] That's what we do around the office at work a lot.

[39:12] It's like a window into your fascinating Hollywood life.

[39:16] Hollywood being Hell's Kitchen?

[39:20] Hollywood if Holly could.

[39:24] That was a movie poster, right?

[39:28] That is also stuck in my mind for some reason.

[39:32] Long before I saw the film.

[39:36] Those ads were in comic books when we were kids.

[39:40] It had Holly Wood's underwear peeking out from under her little short skirt.

[39:44] I feel like we were probably at the age.

[39:48] It was just me.

[39:52] I had a fixation on a cartoon.

[39:56] Like Gabriel Byrne did in the movie.

[40:00] F-Olympics, we all have, you know, Wacky Racers, for sure, that's...

[40:04] Well, it's intense, is what I'm saying, is that the, like, the stress levels are really high.

[40:10] Egos, egos are bumping up against each other.

[40:16] So, this email is titled, F-O-L-P in the USA.

[40:22] Yeah, I haven't done my catchphrase in a long time.

[40:25] It's from Martin Biro, who says,

[40:27] That's right, I'm not afraid to have my last name immortalized.

[40:31] Just like the company that makes the...

[40:33] Oh, no, that's Brio, never mind.

[40:34] This is spelled Biro, like the...

[40:36] Like the pens.

[40:37] Yeah.

[40:38] And it says,

[40:39] Hi, floppers, after a couple of years of enjoying the podcast,

[40:42] I thought I'd write, apropos of nothing in particular,

[40:45] thanks for enlivening my subway trips with your witticisms.

[40:48] I also represent your devoted gay fan base.

[40:51] Did you know you had one?

[40:52] Nope.

[40:53] Despite Dan's recent rapidly homophobic remarks

[40:56] about wanting to queer bash Taylor Lautner,

[40:58] due to his slightly effeminate voice.

[41:00] When did that happen?

[41:01] I don't know.

[41:02] I don't remember that.

[41:03] It's painting a picture.

[41:04] First he wants to take down the government,

[41:06] now this, get it together, Dan.

[41:08] Was that in the extra after show edition?

[41:11] And you do want to tell,

[41:12] I'm glad they mention of your hook,

[41:13] your abandoned hook as a anti-government militia nut.

[41:16] I do not.

[41:18] If I was queer bashing Taylor Lautner, I apologize.

[41:22] I remember making fun of him for,

[41:25] I didn't like his huge neck.

[41:28] I may have said that he was oddly effeminate

[41:34] to be like one third of a heterosexual love triangle.

[41:38] I think you were way more queer bashing than that.

[41:40] Yeah, you were pretty homophobic.

[41:42] I don't.

[41:43] I remember being a little,

[41:44] like we walked home that night.

[41:45] Yeah, we were.

[41:46] I think we held hands because we were scared.

[41:48] Yes, we were frightened about

[41:49] what we had just found out about you.

[41:51] And because, of course,

[41:52] there's always an attraction between me and Stuart.

[41:54] Sparks.

[41:55] Gay positive.

[41:56] We drink Sparks together.

[41:57] And we listen to Sparks, the German pop duo.

[42:01] But I don't remember what you said,

[42:02] but I'm sure it was something about like,

[42:05] you know, God or sin or, you know.

[42:08] Yeah, that sounds like me.

[42:09] Or is it my two dads with Paul Reiser?

[42:12] Yeah, an abomination, that's it come.

[42:15] But not for that reason.

[42:17] He was the boring dad, right?

[42:19] Yeah, well, he was the straight-laced one.

[42:21] And then the guy that no one remembers was the rocker.

[42:24] He was an artist.

[42:25] I mean, that makes a lot of sense, though.

[42:27] I mean, it would have been a really hard sell

[42:29] to make Paul Reiser the...

[42:30] Well, I was just waiting for the moment

[42:31] when he was going to sell his daughter to Weyland Yutani.

[42:34] All right, well, there's more to this email.

[42:36] That was a good aliens joke.

[42:38] You just want to move along.

[42:41] But for reals, while I love Stuart's seductively dulcet tones

[42:44] and Elliot's impressive store of pop culture effugia.

[42:48] Right at ya.

[42:49] Dan with his trademark mournful sighs and rapid homophobia.

[42:55] That's your new trademark.

[42:57] We found your new hook.

[42:58] Is my favorite flopper.

[43:00] Does this kind of pandering guarantee my letter gets read on the podcast?

[43:03] Yes.

[43:04] I think writing a letter guarantees it gets read on the podcast.

[43:08] This is what we were looking for, an organic hook.

[43:12] It came out of nowhere.

[43:13] Dan is now the homophobic member of the group.

[43:15] I do not want to be homophobic.

[43:17] We talk about family values and stuff.

[43:20] I assumed I was going to get that

[43:22] just because I'm always talking about wieners and boobs and such.

[43:26] Well, he goes on to say, and here's the meat of the email.

[43:30] Anywho, I thought I'd share a story about my efforts

[43:33] to get the word out about the Flophouse.

[43:35] For months, I've been praising the show

[43:36] and trying to get friends and associates to listen.

[43:38] I was covering for the receptionist at work one day

[43:41] and I wrote on a post-it,

[43:43] listen to this with the website address.

[43:46] She initially expressed enthusiasm

[43:48] and the post-it remained on her computer monitor

[43:51] and remained and remained for months and months.

[43:54] Now the glue on the post-it has worn off

[43:56] and the sad little piece of neon yellow paper lies on her desk,

[43:59] the podcast still ignored,

[44:01] but she still hasn't thrown it away yet.

[44:03] Nor has she listened to the show, I think,

[44:05] but the post-it is wearing her down.

[44:08] I think I deserve some kind of no prize for my efforts

[44:10] unless Marvel Comics will sue you for copyright infringement.

[44:13] Listen, Paul Schaefer is already suing us.

[44:15] We can afford another lawsuit.

[44:17] I think that this secretary should be fired

[44:21] for not giving me a cleaner desk.

[44:24] He's allowed this to fall.

[44:25] Who knows how much food is lying around there.

[44:29] I think it's at the point where

[44:31] she no longer sees the writing on the note.

[44:33] It's just a thing that exists,

[44:35] no longer recognizes it as a message.

[44:37] I think she probably has bigger issues.

[44:39] She's probably got some stuff going on at home,

[44:42] and she's got some big problems maybe with a –

[44:45] Surrogate.

[44:47] She's dealing with the surrogate mother of her child.

[44:52] Something like that, surrogate pregnancy.

[44:54] I mean if I know receptionists, and I think I do,

[44:56] she's probably so busy like back sassing people

[44:59] and making funny jokes on the phone

[45:01] and listening in on people's conversations that –

[45:03] And painting her nails.

[45:05] Painting her nails, chewing gum,

[45:07] that she just doesn't have time to listen to the podcast.

[45:10] Doesn't flip into Redbook.

[45:13] I think that's –

[45:15] I think you're now moving into what people do at the beautician.

[45:18] Reading the latest issue of McCall's

[45:22] and the Family Circle.

[45:25] Yeah, I mean this is our favorite mode of promotion though

[45:30] is leaving a note for people.

[45:32] We call it PAP, Passive Aggressive Promotion.

[45:36] Yeah, Dan Dan sports that.

[45:39] I'm a little more aggressive.

[45:40] I like to go up to just random people in the street

[45:42] and shake them and hit them in the face.

[45:46] Well, yeah, with a ring that says Flop House Podcast.

[45:49] So when they look in the mirror, they'll see it's –

[45:51] It goes backwards on my hand.

[45:53] Wait, would that work?

[45:54] Yeah, probably.

[45:55] All right.

[45:56] Well, we've spent a little time on that,

[45:58] and so we should –

[46:00] so we can get it in under the wire.

[46:01] We should talk about our recommendations of movies

[46:03] that we actually have seen recently and enjoyed.

[46:07] Ellie, do you have one for us?

[46:09] I got to go first on everything.

[46:10] I can go.

[46:11] I saw Yi Yi.

[46:14] Is that how it's pronounced?

[46:16] Oh, I want to see that.

[46:17] One and a two.

[46:19] I saw that on Memorial Day

[46:21] when I had three hours to sit down

[46:23] and watch a three-hour Taiwanese movie.

[46:25] Yeah, I mean a lot of people would have spent that time

[46:27] remembering those who lost their lives

[46:29] in the service of their country.

[46:31] Yeah, or watching a Band of Brothers marathon at least.

[46:35] I mean that's the way most people do that now.

[46:36] Anyway, you were saying?

[46:38] Well, I was going to maybe watch it in three installments

[46:41] because I'm lazy and I can't commit.

[46:45] But I liked it enough to watch all of it in that morning.

[46:50] Good story.

[46:55] Well, there's not a lot to say about the movie

[46:56] because it's really like a slice-of-life drama

[46:58] about a family over like two or three months.

[47:03] I've heard it's very good.

[47:04] But it's very good.

[47:05] It's very enjoyable.

[47:07] And also a bonus recommendation,

[47:09] I watched Mystery Team, which has the...

[47:12] The Derek movie.

[47:13] Yeah, has the distinction of having

[47:15] former Flophouse guest co-host Will Hines in it.

[47:19] That was Will in it?

[47:20] Yeah, he's got a reasonably large scene at the beginning.

[47:23] Oh, I didn't realize that.

[47:24] And he's very funny.

[47:25] And the movie in general is pretty funny.

[47:28] It's one of these independent comedies

[47:31] where the screenplay is much sharper and smarter

[47:36] and more interesting than a mainstream comedy would be.

[47:39] But the direction is much more slack.

[47:42] So it has the problem of seeming a little slower

[47:45] and longer than it should be.

[47:46] But it's still worth watching.

[47:49] Anyone else?

[47:51] Hey, have I recommended Runaway yet?

[47:54] The Tom Selleck movie?

[47:56] Yeah.

[47:57] No, you have not recommended Runaway.

[47:58] But watching Surrogates reminded me that, you know,

[48:01] how much I love science fiction.

[48:02] And when I think of science fiction,

[48:04] I think of Runaway starring Tom Selleck,

[48:07] where he is like a future cop and he has a robot housekeeper.

[48:13] And the super criminal played by Gene Simmons

[48:17] of the rock and roll band Kiss.

[48:19] Not the recently deceased actress Gene Simmons.

[48:22] No, not her.

[48:23] It was the...

[48:24] Not Gene Seberg either.

[48:26] No, it was the actor...

[48:27] Not Professor Seaborg, discoverer of Seaborgium.

[48:30] Not Professor Zoidberg from the show Futurama.

[48:33] Not the noid who ruins pizzas.

[48:37] It could have been the noid.

[48:38] He does wear a mask.

[48:39] Okay, yeah.

[48:40] Does the mask have ears?

[48:42] Well, I mean, the noid's mask has ears.

[48:45] I mean, but I think that's part of the mask.

[48:48] You should not watch that movie then

[48:50] because you're supposed to avoid the noid.

[48:52] He ruins pizzas.

[48:54] I can't say one way or the other.

[48:56] But it's pretty awesome.

[48:58] There's a bunch of little crappy robot spiders that kill people.

[49:02] And the bad guy invents bullets that can go around corners to shoot you

[49:08] because it has your name or DNA or some shit on it.

[49:11] And it's probably one of the only times where you'll find Kirstie Alley sexy.

[49:19] A little movie called For Rich or Poor.

[49:22] What?

[49:23] I'm trying to think.

[49:25] You know, the one with Tim Allen where they were in the witness protection program.

[49:27] I do not know.

[49:28] So Runaway.

[49:29] I think you're thinking of Did You Hear About the Mormons.

[49:32] No, no.

[49:33] Did You Hear About the Mormons is what I almost said,

[49:36] which is a muckraking documentary.

[49:39] Now, if you're not in the mood for Runaway,

[49:42] I just watched The Pope of Greenwich Village.

[49:45] I would totally recommend that too with Mickey Rourke and Eric Roberts

[49:49] If only for Eric Roberts' amazing New York accent.

[50:00] of recommending movies, I will now recommend the movie I wanted to recommend.

[50:04] A couple weeks ago, I saw for the first time the movie Die, Die My Darling, which I think

[50:09] is also known by the title Fanatic, which is in my opinion now the best of the old classic

[50:17] Hollywood actresses who play a crazy person and whatever happened to Baby Jane and some

[50:24] of the movies Bette Davis made after that.

[50:28] In that vein, this is the one with Tallulah Bankhead, I believe it is.

[50:35] Her son has passed away and her son's fiance is coming to kind of give her condolences

[50:42] and meet her for the first time and it turns out that Tallulah Bankhead is a complete religious

[50:47] fanatic who will save her son's fiance's soul, even if it means killing this woman.

[50:56] It almost all takes place on her estate where she basically imprisons the woman and she

[51:02] has her like groundskeepers and housekeeper who are in on this thing and it veers between

[51:07] being kind of farcical at times to being very creepy and violent and scary and it's a hammer

[51:14] film I think when they were moving away from supernatural things for a little bit more

[51:19] towards psychological horror, but it was really good.

[51:23] And there's a Misfits song with the same title.

[51:27] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[51:29] Wow.

[51:30] Metallica covered it.

[51:32] Well, I'd say the movie is even better than the song.

[51:37] Which one?

[51:38] Either one.

[51:39] Okay.

[51:40] Wow.

[51:41] So, robots.

[51:45] Robots in disguise.

[51:46] Actually, not at all, no.

[51:49] Everyone knew they were robots.

[51:50] Okay.

[51:51] They just assumed that they were robots.

[51:53] Humans in disguise.

[51:54] As robots.

[51:55] As robots.

[51:56] Yeah.

[51:57] Less than meets the eye.

[51:58] Yeah.

[51:59] That was the movie we watched to sum up.

[52:00] I never know how to finish these things.

[52:01] Well, I mean, my recommendation, I apologize, I should have gone first.

[52:02] It was not as energetic as I was hoping.

[52:03] It was kind of a downer.

[52:04] Yeah.

[52:05] I don't know if it was a downer.

[52:06] My little downer.

[52:07] I didn't recommend, I'd recommend like Cries and Whispers or something like that.

[52:08] Yeah.

[52:09] Sort of makes me want to just, you know, give up on life and, you know.

[52:10] Just give up.

[52:11] Yeah.

[52:12] Yeah.

[52:13] Yeah.

[52:14] Yeah.

[52:15] Yeah.

[52:16] Yeah.

[52:17] Yeah.

[52:18] Yeah.

[52:19] Yeah.

[52:20] Yeah.

[52:51] He's probably not even sorry for starring robot Williams.

[52:52] Not Jack.

[52:53] Jack has never roboted.

[52:54] He thought he was like, I don't like the robot.

[52:55] He's an aging robot.

[52:58] He's an aging robot.

[53:01] He's a human child with an accelerated aging disease that does not exist.

[53:05] Are we talking about the same movie?

[53:07] I thought that's the one where Robin Williams is a robot.

[53:10] No.

[53:11] That's Bicentennial, man.

[53:12] Are you sure it's not Jack?

[53:13] And Mrs. Doubtfire.

[53:14] You're thinking of What Dreams May Robot.

[53:16] Or Robot on the Hudson.

[53:18] I'm going to have to check this out.

[53:19] All right, well, while we talk about more robot Williams films, I'm going to sign off.

[53:27] And there's also a robot Dreyfuss in Crippin Droids Tribe.

[53:30] Shut the fuck up.

[53:35] I've been Dan McCoy.

[53:36] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[53:37] I am still Elite Kalen.

[53:38] I'm surprised you didn't robot that one up.

[53:39] I was thinking about it.

[53:40] Elite Robot Kalen.

[53:41] I am Eldroid.

[53:46] All I remember from his is that, sure, he was grinding on a girl, but they weren't wilding.

[53:56] It's important that you made that kind of clarification in your relationship.

[54:01] I think every relationship has a different line there, that has a different definition

[54:05] of the line between wilding and grinding.

[54:08] And what constitutes the need to smell someone's dick?

[54:11] Yeah, absolutely.

[54:12] I mean, I smelled Dan's that one time.

[54:15] I don't need to know about that.

[54:16] It was for, it was a dare.

[54:17] It was for Dare Drug Free America?

[54:19] Yeah, I had to smell his dick so kids wouldn't do drugs.

The Flop House: Episode #61 - Surrogates

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