Ep. #243 - The Bye Bye Man

[0:00] On this episode we discuss the Bye-Bye Man, the bizarre but true story of newshound Edward R. Murrow.

[0:10] What? Wasn't that his sign-off? Bye-bye!

[0:16] No.

[0:17] Bye-bye!

[0:48] Hey, everyone, and welcome to The Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:51] I'm Stuart Bye-Bye Wellington.

[0:54] And I'm Elliot. Hello, Kalen!

[0:56] Guys, this is...

[0:57] We're the yin and the yang of this movie.

[0:59] Guys, this is weird. I'm feeling weird.

[1:01] Why?

[1:02] Because we're all in the same room together.

[1:04] We're sitting at the same table together. We haven't done that in a long time.

[1:07] I'm not used to it anymore. And we're in Toronto.

[1:10] And the acoustics are probably super weird because we're in some tight little Airbnb kitchen.

[1:14] We are in an Airbnb in Toronto, home of the most dangerous stairs in Toronto.

[1:19] Just having a romantic getaway, the three of us.

[1:23] But it's great to see you guys.

[1:25] As listeners will know, Stuart was unable to join Dan and me in Los Angeles for our Hollywood adventure when we snuck onto a soundstage lot and were mistaken for spies.

[1:35] Whoa!

[1:36] Yeah, it turned into a real car chase.

[1:37] And at one point, the rental car we were in, we had to go under a truck to escape the bad guys, and it sheared the roof off the car.

[1:44] And then we both looked at each other and went, ah!

[1:47] And then looked back at the road.

[1:48] And what about those – I heard a story in the news about two poor glass delivery men who were trying to deliver a giant pane of glass.

[1:57] Yeah, I've got some bad news for you.

[1:59] What was the story in the news?

[2:01] A pane of glass died today.

[2:03] It was like a personality piece.

[2:06] Human interest story about two men who had a hard day at work.

[2:12] They're trying to break the preconceived notions people have about how easy it is to be a glass mover.

[2:17] You know what?

[2:18] It's a tough job.

[2:19] You're not just sitting on a cloud all day.

[2:21] No.

[2:22] That ain't working.

[2:23] No.

[2:24] That's the way you do it.

[2:25] Money for nothing, moving giant panes of glass.

[2:27] And we also smashed through an entire farmer's market, just the crops and a cage of chickens.

[2:34] Yeah, and the guy came out behind us and shook his fist at us.

[2:37] He was not happy.

[2:38] No.

[2:39] And we yelled, sorry, but then the spies started shooting.

[2:42] We were on our way.

[2:43] It's okay, though.

[2:44] We're able to return the microchip that was hidden inside a can of film to the sexy lady spy, and she gave Dan a kiss on the cheek as a thanks, and he fainted.

[2:54] Yeah, well, I've never been touched by a woman before.

[2:58] That's a new wrinkle to your character.

[3:02] That's why I'm such a parmazoid.

[3:05] So, guys, True Crime Podcasts are super hot right now.

[3:08] Okay.

[3:09] I like where this is headed.

[3:10] I'll bite.

[3:11] That's true.

[3:12] So, like, is that what we're doing today?

[3:15] Oh, about the Bye-Bye Man?

[3:16] Yeah.

[3:17] Yeah, the famous serial killer.

[3:18] Guys, don't say it.

[3:20] He should not be a famous serial killer for reasons that we'll get to when we talk about the movie.

[3:24] This is going to be a difficult movie to talk about because explicitly you're not supposed to talk about the words that make up the title.

[3:30] Yes.

[3:31] It's also going to be a difficult movie to talk about because we watched it before the L.A.

[3:35] Or I did.

[3:36] You watched it just recently, but I watched it.

[3:38] I finished it last night in a drunken stupor.

[3:40] Okay.

[3:41] Well, we'll be referring to my notes thoroughly, I guess.

[3:43] Yeah, we were going to record this episode earlier.

[3:45] No, I remember it.

[3:46] I remember Elliot and Sasha and John and Miss Watkins.

[3:51] Mrs. Watkins?

[3:52] Mrs. Watkins.

[3:53] Yes.

[3:54] And I think that's it.

[3:57] Well, and, of course, the titular bye-bye man.

[4:00] Yeah.

[4:01] You said titular.

[4:02] Anyway.

[4:03] Dan, grow up.

[4:04] This is why you hate when women kiss you.

[4:06] Sometimes you can just let it go by.

[4:08] You don't have to pick up every plate of food.

[4:11] Every time you see a crawler lying in the street, you don't have to pick it up and take a bite.

[4:16] Come on.

[4:18] It's a delicious crawler.

[4:19] It's flaky and sweet.

[4:21] Speaking of flaky, sweet, delicious crawlers, what are we doing on this podcast?

[4:24] Oh, okay.

[4:25] This is a podcast where we watch a bad movie, and then we talk about it.

[4:29] And this is the second in our Shocktober episodes where we watch horror movies.

[4:34] Or Horrorween, which is a holiday in which you do scary parodies of ween songs.

[4:41] I do one, but I don't know any ween songs.

[4:45] Dan, are you staring off into the night?

[4:49] I was trying to think if I knew any ween songs.

[4:51] Sure.

[4:52] I don't think I do.

[4:53] But, yeah, October is quickly coming to an end, which is fine because Halloween is literally the last day in October for maximum suspense for the entire month about what people are going to dress up as on the Today Show.

[5:04] And so, yeah, we're doing – it's Shocktober horror movies.

[5:08] And what's the movie today, Dan, that was already announced a couple of times?

[5:11] Yeah, sure.

[5:12] The Bye-Bye Man.

[5:13] The Bye-Bye Man.

[5:14] Ah, Bye-Bye Birdie.

[5:16] That's right.

[5:18] Now, is this the sequel to The Goodbye Girl?

[5:22] It's the sequel to Bye, Baby, Bye.

[5:26] Is that anything?

[5:27] I started the sentence without knowing where it was going.

[5:29] I don't know.

[5:30] Yeah, I don't know what – well, there's a movie called Bye-Bye Braverman.

[5:33] Is that the father of the goodnight kid?

[5:36] The goodnight kid.

[5:38] That's a movie, right?

[5:39] He did the same thing I did.

[5:41] It's a movie about a boxer.

[5:43] When he hits you, puts you to sleep.

[5:46] It's goodnight.

[5:47] And he says goodnight.

[5:48] Goodnight, kid.

[5:49] And then he tenderly kisses his defeated opponent on the forehead and pulls a quilt over him.

[5:54] Is that what they call him, the goodnight kid?

[5:55] Yeah.

[5:56] Guys, let's just jump into the Bye-Bye Man because Shocktober is quickly running to a close.

[6:01] The sand is flowing out of the hourglass, and our own lives will probably be over because we have knowledge of the Bye-Bye Man.

[6:07] Let's explain.

[6:08] Before we get into it, I just want to point out that Elliot on his notes has specified Bye-Bye Man parentheses unrated.

[6:17] Oh, because I didn't know.

[6:18] There were two options on the thing I was watching.

[6:20] I was watching it with Flophouse listener and my good friend Brendan Hay, and we had two options, either the rated or unrated editions.

[6:28] And I didn't know if you guys were going to watch which version, so I wanted to make a note.

[6:32] This is the unrated version.

[6:33] You real quick ran over to the door and made sure that your parents weren't going to come in.

[6:37] Yeah.

[6:38] Now, here's the thing.

[6:39] This was technically the unrated edition.

[6:41] It could have been PG-13.

[6:43] Yeah.

[6:44] There was nothing.

[6:46] A harsh commentary on the slipping standards of the MPAA.

[6:50] Somewhere, Jack Valenti's ghost is killing teenagers who have heard of his name.

[6:54] OK, the Bye-Bye Man.

[6:56] So we begin – unrated edition.

[6:58] We begin in Madison, Wisconsin, 1969.

[7:01] Nice.

[7:02] College town, and it's 1969, two years after the summer of love.

[7:05] What did you say about leaving things on the floor?

[7:08] Come on, dude.

[7:09] That was planned out.

[7:10] That's a planned out bit.

[7:12] Really?

[7:13] As soon as I saw that card, I'm like, I'm going to say nice when Elliot says it.

[7:19] Well, a man in a state of high agitation asks a woman if she told anyone about the name,

[7:24] and when she says yes, he says he's sorry and shoots her.

[7:27] Then he kills the only person that she told about it, her paralyzed son, and the guy –

[7:32] and this is all done in one long tracking shot, which is fairly impressive.

[7:35] And the guy starts yelling, I'm going to stop you!

[7:38] I'm going to stop you!

[7:39] And he runs across the street to the house where the other people know the name,

[7:42] and he shoots them too, and then that's it.

[7:46] And then that's it for that opening scene, and it's all done in one long tracking shot,

[7:49] and I was like, maybe this movie has a little bit more ambition than I thought.

[7:52] I was quickly disabused of that notion.

[7:55] Yeah, I mean I totally agree with you that that opening – the choice was interesting,

[8:01] but the thing about a single tracking shot is that it's supposed to kind of trap you in there

[8:06] and you feel like you can't look away, and it's limiting in a way.

[8:11] It makes you feel claustrophobic.

[8:13] But then at the same time, all the gore effects of the shotgun hits were all very clearly CGI,

[8:21] and for me that just kind of takes me out of the magic of the movies

[8:26] when it's like that's very clearly pixelated blood right there.

[8:31] You're saying if they're trying to make a real – trap you in a moment,

[8:34] you need to make that moment as practically real as possible

[8:37] so that you're not knocked out of it by some other element.

[8:40] I would say so. I mean I'm assuming technically it's far easier to just be like,

[8:44] yeah, just slap a splat of red on there.

[8:46] Especially if you have to do a second take of that tracking shot,

[8:50] you have to clean everything in between and reset all the squibs and stuff.

[8:54] I understand why they did it, but you're right. It would have been better.

[8:57] Yeah.

[8:58] But there's something – I was like –

[8:59] Not to play Monday morning quarterback. That's a thing, right?

[9:02] When are you going to direct your Bye Bye Man, Stuart?

[9:05] Bye Bye Man 2, guys. I got an announcement to make at the end of the episode.

[9:10] They're going to put me in the director's chair.

[9:12] They're going to trust this franchise.

[9:15] They're going to trust me with the franchise, which is strange since I've never directed anything.

[9:19] I mean it's – considering the first movie in the franchise,

[9:21] it's not that strange they would take a chance on a total unknown.

[9:25] What's the subtitle to Bye Bye Man 2?

[9:28] The Good Night Kid.

[9:30] All right.

[9:31] The only one who can destroy the Bye Bye Man is the Good Night Kid.

[9:34] But who is the Bye Bye Man?

[9:35] Well, let's jump back in the movie and find out.

[9:37] Two friends, two guys and a girl.

[9:38] They're college students.

[9:39] They move into an empty house.

[9:40] I assume to turn it into a pizza place.

[9:44] Before we're introduced to those kids, we see right after that flashback,

[9:49] we cut to a shot of a train running down a dark railroad track.

[9:54] And at that point, I'm like, is this the seventh set of fucking production logos?

[10:00] And then, of course, no, it's just a shot of a train,

[10:03] and then the logo, the Bye Bye Man,

[10:07] which, not to have a progression again,

[10:11] but like, remember when horror movies

[10:13] put some effort into the design of their logos?

[10:17] Oh, yeah, well, that was part of the scariness of it.

[10:20] You wanted a trait, you wanted a,

[10:21] also a recognizable logo that would then become a brand.

[10:25] Yeah.

[10:26] For the series, if it became a series.

[10:28] And when you have, I mean, already,

[10:30] when you're working with a silly name,

[10:32] like the Bye Bye Man.

[10:34] Wait, silly?

[10:35] Yeah.

[10:36] It is a really goofy name.

[10:39] I feel like you should put a little bit of effort

[10:41] into like.

[10:42] A child's picture book.

[10:44] Yeah, you should put a little bit of effort

[10:46] into like, scarifying up that title card,

[10:48] otherwise it's just gonna look dumb.

[10:50] Like, don't try and make it look like, I don't know, don't.

[10:54] Don't set it up in Comic Sans.

[10:56] Yeah, Times New Roman.

[10:58] I mean, we'll get to that, yeah, yeah.

[11:00] We'll get to that train too,

[11:01] because as it becomes later clear,

[11:04] that train appears to be some kind of soul train.

[11:08] I'm glad you knew.

[11:09] It's one of many, many Bye Bye Man, like, accoutrement.

[11:14] Like, the Bye Bye Man has a lot of accessories,

[11:17] and you know what they say, ladies,

[11:18] before you leave the room, before you leave the house,

[11:20] take off one piece of jewelry.

[11:21] The Bye Bye Man needs, he, we'll get to it.

[11:23] He needs to take off.

[11:24] So the Bye Bye Man can take it?

[11:24] He needs to take off one piece of gimmickry,

[11:27] because he has a very elaborate setup.

[11:30] But Dan, you were gonna say, the soul train.

[11:33] I'm just glad that you understand

[11:34] why that train is in there,

[11:35] because other than a person getting hit by a train

[11:37] later in the movie, I found it completely inexplicable

[11:40] that every once in a while they would just cut

[11:41] to a train barreling down the tracks at night.

[11:44] It's just one of the many omens

[11:46] that the Bye Bye Man has,

[11:48] warning people about the guy

[11:49] they're not supposed to know about.

[11:51] We'll get to that, because these three,

[11:53] two guys and a girl,

[11:53] the two of the characters are in a relationship.

[11:56] Elliot and Sasha.

[11:57] Elliot and Sasha.

[11:58] No, I didn't know that.

[11:59] What happened to Danielle?

[12:01] Dan, this Elliot in the movie spells it with one T.

[12:04] Okay.

[12:05] It was weird watching.

[12:06] That is the only difference.

[12:08] It was, I mean, it was weird watching the movie

[12:10] and having them be like,

[12:11] Elliot, what are you doing?

[12:12] And stuff like that.

[12:13] But it was nice to see another addition

[12:15] to the fairly limited number of Elliot's in movies.

[12:18] There's Elliot from E.T.,

[12:20] Elliot the dragon from Pete's Dragon.

[12:22] There's Elliot from Dead Ringers.

[12:24] And there's Elliot from Hannah and Her Sisters,

[12:27] Michael Caine's character.

[12:27] And that's about it that I can think of.

[12:29] Elliot googled.

[12:31] But that, okay, now, come on.

[12:34] He's never, okay, but.

[12:35] Sam Elliot.

[12:37] Again, this is the same, similar problem.

[12:39] They're actually, oh boy.

[12:41] Anyway, now the house they're in,

[12:44] they're mad, because they're renting it.

[12:45] It's kind of spooky and big.

[12:47] It was supposed to be furnished, and it's not.

[12:49] Though it does have a happy fisherman shower curtain.

[12:53] For those who don't know,

[12:53] that's a cartoon of a fisherman where below the water,

[12:56] he's wading into the water,

[12:57] and below the water, he's not wearing pants.

[12:59] And a fish is giving him a blowjob.

[13:00] And this is, have you never seen this before, Dan?

[13:03] No.

[13:04] This is a thing that's been around for 50 years.

[13:06] You've never seen this merchandise?

[13:08] I've never seen this in my life.

[13:10] Okay, well, and Daniel Close

[13:11] did a comic based on this character.

[13:13] Did he?

[13:14] Yeah.

[13:15] I probably just thought it was something

[13:15] from his sick mind, but.

[13:17] I mean, he did do a comic

[13:18] called Neil Dick the Bug Bucker, so.

[13:20] Yeah, that's true.

[13:21] I didn't know that that was a.

[13:23] Now, is that comic supposed to be like a commentary

[13:27] on how going fishing, you know,

[13:29] can be a little bit boring,

[13:31] and that would explain why, you know,

[13:33] a guy would go fishing all the time?

[13:34] Wake up so early to run down to the lake?

[13:36] I think you might be applying more logic

[13:38] to it than is necessary.

[13:39] I think the joke of it is that the guy

[13:41] is getting a blowjob from a fish,

[13:43] and from above the water, you wouldn't know it.

[13:45] How do we know that that's a blowjob?

[13:46] How do we know that the fish just doesn't think

[13:48] that the penis is a worm and is biting into it?

[13:51] I'm not talking about the fish's motivation.

[13:53] Okay.

[13:54] That guy is achieving the effect

[13:55] of getting a blowjob from the toothless mouth of a fish.

[13:59] Based on the expression on his face.

[14:03] Okay.

[14:04] He seems to be, yeah, he's loving it.

[14:05] He's loving it.

[14:06] He's not horrified as I would be

[14:08] if a fish clamped its mouth around my penis.

[14:10] I would be disgusted and tear it away instantly.

[14:13] Best case scenario, it's some kind of spa

[14:16] where the fish is gonna nibble away the dead skin cells

[14:19] like they do it in pedicures.

[14:21] Yeah, you wouldn't have a look on your face

[14:24] as if you're seeing the golden spires

[14:26] of Xanadu in the distance.

[14:28] Exactly.

[14:29] I would expect it to be one of those things

[14:31] like the comic takes where at first you're like,

[14:33] and then you're like, hmm.

[14:36] Dan, that was some great face acting you did just then.

[14:38] The listeners couldn't see it, but it was worth it.

[14:41] But anyway, we should get back.

[14:42] It's a really spooky house, but they're spooky too.

[14:44] Elliot makes Sasha a love note

[14:46] out of cut-up magazine letters,

[14:48] which is not a romantic thing to do.

[14:50] It's also a long love note,

[14:51] so he must've cut out a shit ton of magazines.

[14:53] But that's how you make a ransom note.

[14:55] Gotta keep the publishing industry, yeah.

[14:57] That's the only way to do it.

[14:59] Things are a little creepy and Sasha's knows them.

[15:01] The plumbing makes knocking noises.

[15:02] There's a little storage door that opens on its own.

[15:04] There's a lot of little storage doors.

[15:06] And those are great.

[15:08] As someone who now lives in a house

[15:09] with some little storage doors here and there,

[15:12] those are great storage areas there.

[15:14] Look, as someone who doesn't live in New York,

[15:17] I now have closets and space to put things.

[15:19] Whoa!

[15:20] But anyway, everything's just a little creepy.

[15:22] Doors open and slam on their own,

[15:23] but it's not quite, was that just the wind?

[15:27] There's a housewarming party

[15:28] and Elliot's much older brother, who has a family,

[15:31] is like, hey, don't grow up too fast.

[15:32] Enjoy college.

[15:33] Don't commit yourself to one girl right away.

[15:35] It's like I got so many regrets right now.

[15:37] Look at my daughter.

[15:39] And yeah, he has a young daughter

[15:40] who wanders upstairs and finds that,

[15:43] and the little storage door opens spookily,

[15:45] and she finds a gold coin

[15:47] that people keep putting on a side table

[15:49] and it keeps falling on the floor anyway.

[15:50] And the gold coin is, again,

[15:52] one of the accessories of the Bye Bye Man.

[15:54] So now we've got a train and a gold coin.

[15:56] Is there more?

[15:57] Yes, there is.

[15:58] Two things that naturally go together.

[15:59] Yep.

[16:01] That's how you pay for your train ticket,

[16:02] with a gold coin.

[16:03] Oh.

[16:05] Sasha's friend says she's gonna do a psychic cleansing

[16:08] of the house after the party,

[16:08] because it's so spooky.

[16:10] Elliot finds a crazy scribbled warning

[16:12] inside the side table that says like,

[16:15] don't say his name, don't think his name,

[16:17] don't say his name, don't think his name.

[16:18] And it's covering the words the Bye Bye Man

[16:20] carved in the bottom of the drawer.

[16:22] Now, if I were, if this happened to me,

[16:25] I'd be like, eh, I would not think anything of it.

[16:30] But Elliot, of course, decides to start talking

[16:33] about the Bye Bye Man.

[16:33] I mean, I probably would tell people

[16:36] about this weird thing I found.

[16:39] Now, are we to believe that the Bye Bye Man himself

[16:42] carved his name in the drawer?

[16:44] Because it seems like anyone else

[16:46] who learns the name of the Bye Bye Man

[16:48] knows it's a bad thing to pass it along.

[16:50] So I don't know why they would.

[16:51] Let's, you know what, ahead of time,

[16:53] let's dip into the cosmology of the Bye Bye Man.

[16:56] Sure.

[16:57] The phenomenology of the Bye Bye Man.

[16:58] The Bye Bye Man, it turns out,

[17:00] is a killer who, he's a boogeyman who,

[17:03] if you learn his name, or even think of it,

[17:05] if you know it, if you know his name,

[17:09] it acts as some sort of mental virus,

[17:10] and you start hallucinating things

[17:12] that lead you to want to kill people,

[17:15] and the only way to cure it is to kill everyone

[17:18] who has heard of the Bye Bye Man, and then kill yourself.

[17:20] And so the Bye Bye Man, his whole MO

[17:23] is constantly eliminating the people who know his name.

[17:27] So it's like a real uphill battle.

[17:28] It's like, Bye Bye Man has like a great breakout thing,

[17:32] and then he's gotta start all over again, I'm sure he would.

[17:35] And then everybody kills each other.

[17:37] And then everyone kills each other,

[17:37] and it's like, Bye Bye Man, he goes to see his agent,

[17:40] and the agent's like, Bye Bye Man,

[17:41] your Q ratings are in the toilet.

[17:44] What happened?

[17:45] I don't know, it was going word of mouth.

[17:47] People were talking about me, I don't know.

[17:49] What happened then, Bye Bye Man?

[17:51] I tricked them into killing each other.

[17:54] Okay, Bye Bye Man, here's an issue that you're having.

[17:57] You can't kill your customers so much.

[17:59] Cigarette companies show us.

[18:01] You can kill your customers if it takes a long time,

[18:03] and they help other people get hooked.

[18:05] Well, I get people hooked on the Bye Bye Man name.

[18:07] No, no, no, no, no, you're killing too fast,

[18:09] though, Bye Bye Man.

[18:09] Yeah, and it's worth pointing out at this point

[18:11] that this is basically a very similar thing to Rings,

[18:16] the previous movie that we watched for the,

[18:17] or talked about for the show.

[18:19] Yeah.

[18:19] The same kind of like, you learn a thing,

[18:21] and then later on, you die.

[18:23] And it spreads like a virus.

[18:25] Except Samara.

[18:27] It's a strong comment on intellectualism.

[18:30] The ideas can kill.

[18:32] Stay dumb, America.

[18:35] But the thing is, Samara is like a powerful ghost

[18:38] who can do anything, it seems.

[18:40] Whereas Bye Bye Man is basically Mysterio.

[18:43] Like, he just creates illusions

[18:45] that make you go crazy a little bit.

[18:47] And we'll get to the point later on where Elliot goes,

[18:48] no, I'm not afraid of him.

[18:50] I won't believe the illusions.

[18:52] And from that point on, he's kind of fine.

[18:54] It's like how in A Beautiful Mind, Russell Crowe is like,

[18:56] I will not be crazy anymore, sir.

[18:58] And he stops being crazy.

[19:00] But anyway, going back to the movie,

[19:01] they hold this seance.

[19:02] At this point, I was thinking,

[19:03] this is a very easygoing kind of Richard Linklater

[19:06] type horror movie.

[19:07] Not a lot of tension, not a lot of pace.

[19:09] And the seance girl, she's real.

[19:11] She talks to Elliot's dead parents,

[19:13] talks to Sasha's grandma.

[19:14] Kim, the seance girl.

[19:16] And he tries to test her by asking her a question,

[19:18] but she knows it.

[19:19] And she just knows,

[19:20] but then she starts going into a kind of a frenzy.

[19:23] She's saying, don't say it, don't think it,

[19:24] don't say it, don't think it.

[19:25] Elliot goes, Bye Bye Man, and the lights go out.

[19:27] Uh-oh.

[19:29] Uh, Elliot is starting to-

[19:32] Yeah, total bass drop.

[19:33] Everybody flips out.

[19:34] Elliot is starting to feel like,

[19:36] they go to bed.

[19:37] Elliot's starting to feel like,

[19:39] he's wondering if his girlfriend

[19:41] is interested in his best friend who's living with him.

[19:43] There's a love triangle brewing,

[19:44] and there's creepy noises in the house.

[19:46] Cut to the next day.

[19:47] And there's also a lot of shots where he'll look over,

[19:51] and he'll see the creepy robe that he has

[19:53] hanging on the wall.

[19:55] And it's like, one second it's a normal robe,

[19:57] another second, there's a Bye Bye Man

[19:59] in that robe.

[20:00] who looks kind of like, at first I'm like,

[20:02] is that just the old guy from the Inner Sandman video?

[20:05] Later on you realize, no, he's much dumber looking.

[20:08] Yeah, he's, and it's,

[20:10] a lot of the robe could be, by my man, could be a robe.

[20:12] It's like the old drawing,

[20:13] is it a young lady, or is it an old woman?

[20:15] Yeah, is that a lady at, what, a vanity,

[20:18] or is that a skull?

[20:20] Yeah, is that a duck or a rabbit?

[20:22] Is that a guy getting a blowjob for a fish,

[20:24] or a guy getting his dick bitten off by a fish?

[20:27] Depends on the fish, Dan.

[20:28] We gotta identify that fish.

[20:30] Now, if it's a piranha, that dick's coming off.

[20:32] But if it's a thing,

[20:33] sometimes when you open Lammershain's configuration,

[20:36] pleasure and pain get mixed with a fish bite.

[20:38] Now, if it's a North American prick sucker,

[20:40] then he's getting a real nice job.

[20:43] Anyway, and we find out that John,

[20:46] which is the name of the friend, which I kept forgetting,

[20:48] he spent the night with the psychic girl,

[20:50] but when he drives her home, she's like,

[20:52] it's okay, this stuff happens,

[20:53] he could get it up, it turns out.

[20:55] But she's still hungry for it.

[20:57] She wants him to come into her room right then.

[20:59] But he looks at her,

[21:00] and she looks like she has maggots in her hair!

[21:02] And he freaks out and drives away.

[21:04] Classic Lost Boys.

[21:07] Yeah.

[21:09] But it was one of those things where it's like,

[21:11] if you weren't looking closely,

[21:12] you would not notice she had maggots in her hair.

[21:15] They didn't really fill the hair with maggots,

[21:16] if you know what I mean.

[21:17] Sure, yeah.

[21:18] Here's a tip for aspiring horror filmmakers.

[21:20] Fill the hair with maggots.

[21:21] Yeah, just go crazy with that stuff.

[21:22] Don't be afraid.

[21:23] I mean, they use that stuff for medicine

[21:25] in the Civil War times.

[21:26] It's not gonna hurt anybody.

[21:27] I mean, the idea of,

[21:29] like, I'm gonna slowly tease out the horror

[21:33] by just putting a few maggots in there.

[21:35] Like, get the fuck out of here.

[21:36] We know what we're in for.

[21:37] I'm gonna finish Angie with the maggots.

[21:38] Yeah, give us some horror, maggot it up!

[21:41] Just like in the hit play,

[21:44] Corpse on a Hot Tin Roof, starring Maggot the Cat.

[21:46] Yeah.

[21:47] What?

[21:49] All right, I'll accept it.

[21:50] Thank you.

[21:51] And Elliot also finds a claw mark

[21:54] seemed to have been scratched out of the bricks

[21:56] outside the house.

[21:57] Wait a minute.

[21:57] Does the Bye Bye Man have claws?

[21:58] No, it's from his third accessory,

[22:00] which we'll get to later.

[22:02] This love triangle is a-brewin'.

[22:05] Sasha starts hallucinating that John

[22:07] is shirtless and attractive.

[22:09] I mean, he's attractive.

[22:10] Yeah, he's, I mean, this guy, he's amazing.

[22:12] He's fuckin' shredded.

[22:13] Tension is brewing between all of them.

[22:15] There's more scratchy noises outside the house.

[22:17] Elliot goes to the basement.

[22:18] And it's kind of like,

[22:19] it turns into if House of the Devil was really bad,

[22:23] is what this part felt like to me.

[22:25] Oh, he's just walking around his house,

[22:26] but it's not scary.

[22:28] It's not incredibly tense.

[22:29] Every once in a while, they're like,

[22:31] we'll sneak a Bye Bye Man in the background of that shot.

[22:35] Yeah.

[22:36] It's like someone, a realtor showing a house,

[22:38] warning you, there's an occasional Bye Bye Man.

[22:41] It's a great space.

[22:43] Lots of storage.

[22:44] All these little closets.

[22:45] Look at these windows.

[22:46] It's sun-drenched.

[22:48] Now, what would the real estate terminology

[22:51] for Bye Bye Man be?

[22:52] Where small becomes cozy?

[22:54] What would be the positive spin on Bye Bye Man?

[22:57] Like, storied?

[22:59] Yeah.

[23:01] This historic house.

[23:02] Someone to say goodbye to you whenever you leave the house.

[23:05] There's an eventual guest on his way.

[23:11] He finds that gold coin again.

[23:12] There's claw marks in the basement.

[23:13] Uh-oh.

[23:14] And you think at this point,

[23:15] he's collecting all these fuckin' gold coins.

[23:17] He can level up or something, get another life.

[23:19] Sure.

[23:21] At least trade them for some potions.

[23:25] His girlfriend gets a cold.

[23:27] I mean, he gets a door slammed shut

[23:29] and his friends have to let him out of the basement.

[23:31] His girlfriend gets a cold and in a fugue state,

[23:33] she draws a picture of the Bye Bye Man

[23:35] and she knows that he's coming for her

[23:36] because she knows his name now.

[23:38] Uh-oh.

[23:39] Because at this point,

[23:40] the movie is still gonna go through the thing of,

[23:42] they've got, like in the ring,

[23:43] they've gotta like, suss out the mystery.

[23:45] But they also just kinda know.

[23:47] Like, they just kinda know what a Bye Bye Man does.

[23:50] Right away, she believes there's a monster.

[23:52] But Elliot's still like, I don't know.

[23:53] And she has a dream where they're all standing naked

[23:55] on train tracks and a train hits them.

[23:57] Yeah, this is the most unmotivated butt shot

[23:59] I've seen in a movie.

[24:01] It's just, yeah, it's just like a train bearing down

[24:03] on three nude backs.

[24:05] And like, you know me,

[24:06] I'm not gonna argue with an unmotivated butt shot.

[24:08] But it was glaringly unmotivated.

[24:11] Like, why are they all nude

[24:12] in the middle of these train tracks?

[24:14] My guess is because it represents their souls

[24:16] or like their purest essence.

[24:18] But my other guess is that they were like,

[24:21] we gotta jazz up this movie with some nudity.

[24:23] Will she take her top off?

[24:24] No.

[24:25] Will she do a butt shot?

[24:26] Is it gonna be weird if it's just her?

[24:27] We'll have the guys in there too.

[24:28] Yeah.

[24:29] Or they're like, here's a little something

[24:31] for the Bye Bye Men and the Bye Bye Ladies.

[24:33] Sure.

[24:35] We're equal opportunity butt portrayers.

[24:37] And they get hit by the soul train.

[24:41] They see the Bye Bye Man for a moment,

[24:42] turn on the light, he's gone.

[24:43] Elliot and girlfriend, they split up to investigate

[24:45] like a real Scooby-Doo gang.

[24:47] Elliot's online search of Bye Bye Man turns up nothing.

[24:51] And he's using a search engine that just says search

[24:53] as the name of the search engine.

[24:55] It is the most hilariously generic search engine

[24:58] in the history of generic search engines in movies.

[25:01] The thing about it is,

[25:02] even if there were no direct relations,

[25:05] there would be things that are similar.

[25:08] The words Bye Bye and Man will show up.

[25:11] And when he's typing in Bye Bye Man,

[25:12] before you get excited, Dan,

[25:14] he doesn't consider doing Bye Bye Man feet.

[25:17] Okay.

[25:19] Even though that's the second most often searched

[25:21] Bye Bye Man search.

[25:25] Here's the thing about the Bye Bye Man too.

[25:26] And as Stuart brings up,

[25:28] that grouping of words would come up

[25:30] somewhere on the internet.

[25:31] But does it count if someone just goes like,

[25:33] hey, Bye Bye Man, just saying goodbye to you?

[25:36] Because you wouldn't take from that

[25:38] that that refers to a person or a ghoul.

[25:40] Or imagining the Bye Bye Man at home,

[25:42] like hearing that and being like, oh, oh no.

[25:45] It's the scene from fucking Labyrinth

[25:48] where the goblins are all sitting around being like,

[25:49] did she say it?

[25:52] He's just kicking back at home reading,

[25:54] I assume the New Yorker.

[25:56] And he goes, ah.

[25:57] Scratching his accessory on the top of it's

[26:00] like bloody flesh head.

[26:01] Yeah, because it's a dog.

[26:03] Anyway, he looks into the library's dead file

[26:06] and finds that there's a newspaper.

[26:07] Do you remember which dead file that was, Elliot?

[26:10] I don't remember.

[26:11] 69.

[26:12] Was it really?

[26:14] Come on.

[26:16] And he finds a newspaper article that never,

[26:18] that was, before it was published,

[26:20] had references to the Bye Bye Man

[26:22] and those were edited out.

[26:23] And he's getting help from a local librarian.

[26:25] From a friendly librarian.

[26:25] Mrs. Watkins.

[26:26] Mrs. Watkins, who is hilarious.

[26:28] And it's like.

[26:29] She's great.

[26:29] She's fantastic.

[26:31] And there's also the fact that they're like,

[26:33] he's like, they're in the library.

[26:34] He knows that if you learn the Bye Bye Man's identity,

[26:36] something terrible happens.

[26:37] He doesn't know everything, but he's like,

[26:38] she's like, what are you looking for?

[26:39] He's like, I'm looking for the Bye Bye Man.

[26:41] The Bye Bye Man!

[26:42] And like, this librarian talks too loudly.

[26:45] And also like, just people studying are gonna be like,

[26:47] what, Bye Bye Man?

[26:49] But the girl.

[26:50] He's like, what part of the Dewey Decimal System

[26:51] is the Bye Bye Man?

[26:53] The girlfriend also, she goes to the florist.

[26:55] Sasha, yeah.

[26:56] Sasha, I don't remember why.

[26:57] And the florist tells her, you have a weird.

[26:59] He's the guy who owns the house that's,

[27:02] he's renting the house.

[27:02] Oh, that's right.

[27:03] He owns the house.

[27:04] And the florist says, oh, and she tells him,

[27:05] you have a weird house.

[27:08] And she's in a greenhouse, but she feels cold.

[27:11] That doesn't make sense.

[27:13] And it feels like, this is a note I made to myself,

[27:14] that every scene is, the editing works like this.

[27:17] Long filler, just kind of like aimless conversation,

[27:20] and then something happens and they cut away instantly

[27:23] to the next scene.

[27:24] I guess they're trying to go,

[27:25] they're trying to keep you guessing each time,

[27:27] but it doesn't quite work.

[27:28] John is in class and he finds creepy pictures

[27:31] of Bye Bye Man on his phone.

[27:32] That move, ah!

[27:34] This would be scarier.

[27:34] I mean, that's that new iPhone,

[27:36] like a new iPhone camera thing,

[27:38] where they like move like a couple inches.

[27:41] Yeah, the things that I can never quite figure out

[27:43] how to turn on.

[27:44] Because it's the default setting?

[27:46] Yeah, and you're like, what am I looking

[27:47] at a fucking Harry Potter newspaper?

[27:49] It's like every time, I like using those for my son,

[27:51] because I can catch a little bit of his movement.

[27:52] But then I'm like, did I just trap his soul?

[27:56] Yeah.

[27:57] Is it here in the phantom zone?

[27:59] And so Elliot's talking about the library,

[28:00] and it turns out there was some murders in the 60s.

[28:02] We saw them in the prologue.

[28:04] The man who did the murdering was a reporter

[28:06] who covered the killing by-

[28:08] The Bye Bye Man beat.

[28:09] He was the Bye Bye Man.

[28:10] Oh, it's the worst beat, because your articles can't run,

[28:13] because otherwise people learn about the Bye Bye Man.

[28:15] Then the motto-

[28:15] Oh, we've got bad news, buddy.

[28:16] We're killing your article again.

[28:18] Bad news, buddy.

[28:20] You're going bye-bye off the Bye Bye Man beat.

[28:22] You're going as bye-bye as the man named for it.

[28:25] That's the sequel, the Bad News Buddy.

[28:29] The Bye Bye Bears?

[28:30] Yeah.

[28:31] The Bye Bye Man 2, the Bad News Buddy.

[28:36] And the newspaper motto is,

[28:37] all the news that's fit to print,

[28:38] unless it involves the Bye Bye Man,

[28:40] but it's right there on the front of the newspaper.

[28:43] This reporter, this guy who committed the murders

[28:46] that we saw in the beginning,

[28:47] he was a reporter who was covering the story

[28:49] of a teenager who killed his parents

[28:51] and blames the Bye Bye Man for it.

[28:53] And the reporter found out about Bye Bye Man,

[28:55] and I told people-

[28:55] And he's like, is Bye Bye Man a heavy metal group?

[28:58] And we go to a flashback of the reporter

[29:03] narrowly misses killing his wife.

[29:05] He won't tell his wife what this is all about,

[29:08] even though he's written,

[29:08] don't think it, don't say it, all over the walls.

[29:10] And then the Bye Bye Man comes in,

[29:12] and he maybe kills somebody else,

[29:14] and he drinks cleaner to kill himself.

[29:18] It cuts to the scene from the opening.

[29:21] Yes.

[29:22] So it finishes that opening sequence

[29:23] where he chases the two people down who knew the name.

[29:27] He kills them, and then he drinks what,

[29:29] like drain cleaner or something?

[29:30] Yeah, and he spits up blood, and it's real gross.

[29:34] And then the librarian essentially

[29:37] kind of makes up out of whole cloth

[29:39] the idea of erasing the Bye Bye Man's memory

[29:41] to keep him away.

[29:42] She just kind of stumbles on that,

[29:44] like the discovery of penicillin.

[29:48] She just accidentally stumbles into this way

[29:50] of curing the Bye Bye Man.

[29:54] And she finds that he's been writing Bye Bye Man

[29:58] all over his notebook without realizing it.

[30:00] I know on the table I think well maybe that's how it happened and she goes and

[30:03] the by my hands in the library

[30:05] maybe she will she notices that will carve yeah the with the

[30:08] no yeah kids doing is he's taken the original article

[30:11] and he's been scratching out the name bye-bye man and each time he scratches

[30:15] out a name

[30:17] the bye-bye man gets close to the right and when he's like right about to grab

[30:20] him she's like

[30:21] what are you you're you're working you're ruining library property

[30:25] yeah get out of here bye-bye man

[30:29] and he's like wait are you referring to the I was just saying bye-bye to you

[30:33] a man I he snaps as yet ever I guess that's where the carving in the table

[30:38] comes from you go to a few state

[30:40] and you start writing the bye-bye man's name or trying to erase them or some

[30:42] shit I don't know

[30:43] anyway he sees John and Sasha in the parking lot spies into a shop window

[30:48] the by my man appears in the glass the glass cracks

[30:51] at least to get to the seance girl she says they have to stop the bye-bye man

[30:55] but they're driving in a car and she has a butcher knife in her

[30:59] bag she hallucinates that there are car crash victims who need help on some

[31:02] train tracks a hammer it's not about

[31:04] it's a hammer it's a it's not what I'm saying and that she gets lured onto the

[31:07] train tracks in the train kills her

[31:08] you like wait a minute bye-bye man are you did you subcontract this out to

[31:12] final destination

[31:13] yeah but it turns out we find out later

[31:18] that she has already killed her roommate with that hammer and she was intending

[31:21] to kill him in the others to erase the bye-bye man's memory

[31:24] carry and moss shows up she's one of the two movie stars

[31:27] she's a policewoman and they think that he was chasing her with the hammer

[31:33] and she was running away in terror and then got hit by a car and by the train

[31:37] and he's like

[31:38] no no no we the audience know that she killed her roommate and was gonna kill

[31:41] him too

[31:42] and John hallucinates that carrying losses winking at him which

[31:45] later on which doesn't really turn into anything

[31:47] it's weird that the bye-bye man is like Elliot I'm giving you

[31:50] the crazy murder hallucinations John

[31:54] I'm gonna make you think everyone's super into you

[31:57] create some social embarrassment but you think that she's coming on to you and then you're gonna be like

[32:02] are you into it? I mean you came on to me

[32:05] it'll be very awkward yeah it'll just be like that Timothy Zahn novel

[32:09] where aliens are at war with humans and both side thinks the other one shot first

[32:14] and it turns out the human communication beam

[32:18] they sent kills the aliens and they didn't know it so the aliens think this

[32:21] communication was a first attack

[32:23] but the humans think the aliens retaliation was the first attack anyway

[32:27] Is that a part of the Thrawn trilogy? No it's not Star Wars related

[32:31] it's a different series but this is kinda like that but with sex

[32:34] where now he's gonna come on to her and she's gonna be like this is weird are you

[32:38] coming on to me? And he's gonna be like yeah but only because

[32:40] you came on to me and she's like what? And the bye-bye man's like did it again

[32:45] Let's see you extricate yourself from this one John

[32:47] I'll just sit up the dominoes and watch them fall

[32:50] and Sasha hallucinates that Karen Moss is bleeding from her eyes and mouth

[32:55] she's getting the horror stuff too. She gets like a mix like she gets that and she also gets the

[32:58] you're sick yeah yeah which I'm assuming is bye-bye man related not just like

[33:03] oh man that's too bad she's got the flu. I think bye-bye man has a lot of tools

[33:07] in his toolbox. Yeah yeah and don't go to the same one all the time

[33:10] No exactly. Elliot gets taken in for questioning but it turns out the seance

[33:15] girl wrote a suicide note taking the blame for killing everyone so she's off

[33:17] the hook she wanted to end the bye-bye man and

[33:20] Karen Moss is like tell me what happened and he's like if I explain this to you

[33:24] you're gonna die and he won't tell his brother about it either and he goes home

[33:28] and he finds John and Sasha doing it. Bum bum bum. What? Making him wear the

[33:34] Cuckolds horns? Indeed and unlike the cucks you see on the internet he is not

[33:40] into this. It turns out it's just a hallucination but he only learns that

[33:45] after he hits John with a baseball bat. Miss Watkins then calls Elliot about her

[33:50] bye-bye man thoughts. Hey we need to talk about this and that's when we see she

[33:53] stabbed her entire family to death. Oh I love that phone call where she's like

[33:58] Elliot I've been having some weird thoughts about that bye-bye man. Her line delivery is so great. I don't know the name of the actress who plays Miss Watkins but it's like they're like have you ever seen those chunky soup

[34:13] commercials where the football players mom is trying to get him to play the

[34:16] chunky soup? Play it like that character. Oh you mean like in the snack

[34:19] was commercials where the woman says hello cookie man? Yes exactly that's the

[34:23] character we're going for. Like that feels racist but I guess. Yeah she's awesome in this. She's I mean she's the breakout star of the movie as far as I'm concerned she's I don't her

[34:34] character hurts the horrorness of the movie but she's so entertaining to watch

[34:39] like she's bringing a spin to it whereas Elliot just kind of comes off as your

[34:43] direct-to-video version of what's-his-name from Mr. Robot. Yeah a lot of

[34:47] these. Like can we get a whiter boringer Rami Malek please? Can we get like an

[34:52] even paler Dane DeHaan? These like PG-13 movies have like just real like teenage

[34:57] mopes. Like that's that's that's the only way I could describe them. It's like a

[35:01] crew of teenage mopes and there's nothing charismatic about any of them

[35:07] they're just fodder for the canon. You just you want more of what like an

[35:10] Archie Andrews America's Favorite Teen? That's right. Like a Jughead? I want a Jughead. I mean the

[35:15] Jughead's got the personality and by personality I mean he likes burgers. He likes

[35:19] burgers. Doesn't like girls. Wears an inside-out hat that looks like a crown.

[35:23] Yep. What more do you want from a character? Much like Huey Lewis you want a new Jughead.

[35:28] Okay. Because he had that song I want a new Jughead. Such a reach. Such a hard reach but yeah.

[35:37] Fucking Stretch Armstrong over here. Anyway Elliot sees a note from Sasha that the

[35:44] nightstand that they found the carving in belonged to the reporter who

[35:49] murdered all those people. Bum bum bum. It's not the house that's haunted. It's

[35:52] the nightstand! Dan, the calls are coming from inside the nightstand. I guess put

[35:57] that nightstand out on the curb? Well he does the next best thing. He hurls it

[36:00] into the woods behind the house. Yep. From whence it came. And he goes to the

[36:05] Widow Redman's house. Why didn't he fucking burn the stupid nightstand? Yeah good

[36:09] question Stuart. I don't know. He should have. Elliot goes to... Well the local zoning doesn't allow for it.

[36:17] No bonfires dude! He was going to and then he reread the renter's agreement

[36:21] said please do not use the fireplace it is ornamental only. Yeah. He's like oh man.

[36:25] I guess I'll just throw this in the creek so that crawdads can get dreams of the bye-bye man.

[36:31] Hopefully there'll just be some fish will see it instead of killing people

[36:35] just go crazy and start giving out blowjobs. And the prophecy of the shower

[36:41] curtain. Why are you blaming the fish for this Elliot? Why are you calling the fish crazy?

[36:45] No good point good point. There's a power dynamic between the fisherman and the

[36:49] fish that we don't know about especially in today's climate. I shouldn't blame the

[36:53] fish. I shouldn't slut-shame the fish. You know what the fish I'm sorry I

[36:59] apologize. Elliot goes to the house of the widow of the reporter played by Faye

[37:03] Dunaway who you may know from other many great movies. Watching this movie drunk

[37:10] on my iPad I didn't recognize her. I mean she is I haven't seen her in movies

[37:15] in a while and she has aged you know. Okay as we all do. I wouldn't have known

[37:19] it was her. Stop looking at me Dan. Not me. You said I look good for my age earlier. I got this

[37:25] magic painting and I put it up in the attic and it does not look good but I'm

[37:30] looking boyish. Every time you order Popeye's the painting shakes its head.

[37:37] She tells the story of how her husband was driven mad by the bye-bye man story but he

[37:44] never told her what it was. This is the flashback where he refuses to tell her

[37:47] what it is. And apparently you know it's coming the bye-bye man is coming for you when

[37:52] you see the coins and you hear his hound and the train does not get mentioned but

[37:56] while he's hanging out with Faye Dunaway the train goes by and this is where I

[37:59] started realizing the bye-bye man is super complicated. Okay first you learn

[38:04] his name then you find a gold coin then you hear a spooky train and then

[38:10] eventually a big dog comes to get you. He's got so much going on and I had to

[38:16] imagine a little scenario where a certain elder statesman of the slasher

[38:20] genre, one Dr. Frederick R. Kruger, took him into his office just to let him

[38:25] know hey bye-bye man you got too much going on. Let's look at what I got

[38:31] bitch. So I was killed by parents so I come back and I kill their kids in their

[38:37] dreams. Now it's a little out there how do I travel through the dreams? Don't

[38:41] want to talk about it. But it's just the one thing and the bye-bye man's like yeah but you

[38:44] have that finger knife glove? Yeah yeah but that's my one, that's my one

[38:48] weapon. You got the coins, you got the dog, you got the train and you got the

[38:54] hallucinations which are sometimes scary and sometimes sexy. You got to

[38:57] choose bud. These are all, these could all be great on their own but you're

[39:00] just overloaded. The concept, you got too many concepts going on here dog, too many

[39:04] concepts. You're basically like a boring the ring right? Like Freddy likes the

[39:10] ring I bet. Oh I bet Freddy loves it yeah he spooks him every time. Yeah. Well

[39:14] that and every time Freddy watches the ring and he's like oh I hope I don't get

[39:19] that call. He always looks to the phone just a little creeped out or like when

[39:23] Freddy saw It Follows and he was like I'm not gonna be able to sleep for a

[39:26] week. I'm gonna always think there's an It Follows behind me. Yeah now the

[39:30] shoe's on the teen's foot. Yeah it's like when Freddy was terrified of Dockin. It

[39:34] was Dockin right? It was Dockin yeah. Or when Freddy and Jason went to go see The

[39:40] Witch and Freddy was like that was just the atmosphere was creepy. I mean and

[39:44] what it's saying about religion and Jason was like hmm. Like he just shrugged

[39:47] his shoulders because he can't talk. Yeah but in his head he's like

[39:51] these age 24 films I find the advertising misleading. That's and Freddy

[39:58] because he can read minds I guess was like a fair point.

[40:00] Point for point, it was more about atmosphere

[40:02] than like just pure scares.

[40:04] But they discussed this over a malted

[40:05] down at Pop's Chocolate Shop.

[40:07] Two straws?

[40:08] Yep, two straws coming out of the one.

[40:10] The one straw just goes through the holes

[40:11] in Jason's hockey mask.

[40:12] Yeah, he likes malteds.

[40:15] And then later they just kinda like,

[40:16] I mean they're married, right?

[40:17] So they just crawled into bed in their full body pajamas.

[40:20] Freddie versus Jason, that was their divorce proceeding.

[40:25] They got in a big fight while summering in Fire Island

[40:27] with the Babadook and Pennywise.

[40:30] Wait, so the Babadook and Pennywise in a relationship?

[40:34] Or the Babadook and Pennywise were just on the cruise,

[40:37] like just cruising on Fire Island?

[40:38] No, I mean they're prominent LGBTQ icons, right?

[40:43] Yeah.

[40:43] And then every now and then they'd run into Jigsaw.

[40:46] And it would be awkward,

[40:47] because Jigsaw and Pennywise used to have a thing.

[40:49] It wasn't like what you call a relationship,

[40:51] but it was like a regular summer fling.

[40:53] He's just, you know, Pennywise is over games.

[40:56] Tired of games, you know?

[40:57] Yeah, who isn't?

[40:59] That's what he likes about the Babadook,

[41:00] is the Babadook will just come right out,

[41:01] put his feelings in a pop-up book and give it to you.

[41:04] He's not about hiding things, you know?

[41:08] And now I imagine Pennywise is at home.

[41:12] And he gets a phone call and he just hears,

[41:13] Baba, Baba, do, do, do.

[41:17] And he goes, hi honey, coming home?

[41:19] There's something sweet about that.

[41:21] I like that all these movie monsters have found love.

[41:23] Yeah.

[41:24] Anyway, so Faye Dunaway is like,

[41:28] well, the only way to solve this

[41:30] is for you to kill everybody and then kill yourself.

[41:32] And he realizes that,

[41:34] and this is something, again,

[41:34] that he's kind of making up

[41:36] as he goes along stumbling through it.

[41:37] And she hands him a gun.

[41:39] And she hands him a gun and says, kill them.

[41:41] He realizes, hey, the Bye Bye Man's power is based on fear.

[41:44] And the more you fear him, the stronger he gets.

[41:47] There has been nothing to suggest this the entire movie.

[41:50] Suddenly Faye Dunaway catches on fire.

[41:53] And he realizes it's a hallucination and he shakes it off.

[41:58] And he's like,

[41:59] this terrible special effects is clearly a hallucination.

[42:02] The fact that it looks like

[42:03] they had a hand-drawn animated fire applied over her

[42:07] makes him say, Bye Bye Man, you gotta try a little harder.

[42:09] It'd be like House 2 or something

[42:11] if they just animated fire over her.

[42:12] It was, I mean, the fire was one step above

[42:16] that blowtorch and passed through.

[42:18] He hallucinates, he goes, I gotta get home and save everybody.

[42:21] As he's driving, he hallucinates

[42:23] that he's about to hit someone with his car.

[42:24] And he goes, no, I'm not gonna believe you, Bye Bye Man.

[42:26] Which for one thing, he's taking a huge risk right here.

[42:30] Because it's not like a monster's in the road.

[42:32] It's just a regular person.

[42:33] And how much does he lose

[42:35] if he swerves around this hallucination?

[42:37] Nothing.

[42:39] Take Pascal's wager on this one, dude.

[42:41] Just assume it's real and you'll be better off.

[42:44] And then you're like, I'm not gonna believe you, Bye Bye Man.

[42:47] Assume it's real and you'll be better off.

[42:48] But instead he goes right through the hallucination.

[42:50] He's like, yeah, I beat you.

[42:51] And then immediately hits Miss Watkins

[42:53] who has been walking down the middle of the road

[42:54] with a butcher knife in her hand.

[42:55] Because apparently the Bye Bye Man has driven her

[42:57] into a stupor where she cannot drive

[42:59] and must walk the roads.

[43:01] Sure.

[43:02] But she deserves it again

[43:03] because she murdered her whole family.

[43:04] Yep.

[43:05] And for the greater good.

[43:06] Yeah, there's a decent gore shot.

[43:09] Don't we see like the back of her head's been knocked off

[43:11] when she got hit by the car?

[43:12] Do we?

[43:13] I don't remember that.

[43:14] I think so.

[43:14] This is the point at which you started hallucinating

[43:17] because you watched the last third of this movie.

[43:18] Oh no, I was so scared.

[43:19] Yep.

[43:20] Last night.

[43:21] Back at home at the house,

[43:22] Sasha hallucinates that John is Elliot

[43:25] and is threatening her.

[43:26] And John hallucinates that Sasha is the bloody dead Sans.

[43:29] Oh no, not threatening her.

[43:30] She hallucinates that it's Elliot

[43:31] and that he's backing away and won't come near her.

[43:32] And she's like, why won't you, come on, where are you going?

[43:35] And John hallucinates that she is the dead Sans girl

[43:38] with blood all over her.

[43:39] And he's like, no, get away, get away.

[43:41] And Elliot gets too back to get back too late

[43:43] to stop John from stabbing Sasha in the face.

[43:47] And he shoots him and it turns out,

[43:48] no, he was hallucinating.

[43:50] He shot Sasha who was stabbing John in the face.

[43:54] Oh.

[43:55] What a hilarious mix up.

[43:56] Yeah, and he goes, and Elliot's like,

[43:58] oh, we're going to laugh about this later.

[44:00] I don't feel so great right now.

[44:02] And so far, this was the point where I was like,

[44:05] the bye-bye man is really effective

[44:07] at erasing everyone who's heard of the bye-bye man.

[44:10] Like he better hope that he's got some trick up his sleeves

[44:13] that he can get.

[44:14] The night table is always his backdoor plan.

[44:17] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[44:18] To keep things going.

[44:19] That's when a CGI monster dog walks out

[44:22] and then just leaves.

[44:24] Hey, how's it going?

[44:25] I'm just passing through.

[44:26] Doesn't it like eat a face?

[44:27] Yeah, it's-

[44:28] It likes to eat faces.

[44:28] The story seems to be that the bye-bye man

[44:30] kills people to feed this dog, which again,

[44:33] Freddy's like, all right, bye-bye man.

[44:35] It seems like a weird motivation.

[44:38] Pumped the air brakes on this train.

[44:41] Don't get me wrong.

[44:41] I like the killing people part of it.

[44:45] But there is commercially available dog food.

[44:48] You could-

[44:49] There's no blood on your hands, bye-bye man.

[44:51] You didn't kill anybody.

[44:52] That's great.

[44:53] Yeah, yeah, you just maneuvered it

[44:54] and then the dog, I guess, takes the fall

[44:55] if you ever need him to.

[44:57] Where did you get this?

[44:58] You're the ghost of Rube Goldberg.

[44:59] I get it.

[45:01] Rube Ghostberg.

[45:04] You're the ghost of the guy

[45:06] who invented the mousetrap board game

[45:07] who died a pauper.

[45:09] That was based on Rube Goldberg's stuff.

[45:10] Oh.

[45:13] I mean, of course it was.

[45:14] Yeah, it's a complete, exact idea.

[45:18] There's this dog.

[45:19] It's not even like, it's like,

[45:20] where'd this hound come from?

[45:21] What's going on?

[45:22] I don't need everything to be explained.

[45:23] It's like Cerberus, dude.

[45:24] Okay, good point.

[45:26] Right?

[45:27] No, it is.

[45:28] It's like a hell hound.

[45:29] And he's like Charon.

[45:29] But it's like the dog comes in so late.

[45:31] Before that, most of what you've seen

[45:33] is just claw marks showing up in places.

[45:35] I'd almost rather the bye-bye man was just a dog.

[45:38] Yeah.

[45:39] Like, just called the bye-bye dog.

[45:41] And it's like, oh, it's this evil dog with mind powers.

[45:44] It's part of the Air Bud series.

[45:45] Part of the, there's nothing in the rule book

[45:47] that says a dog can't kill people with hallucinations.

[45:49] And maybe he can teleport like Lockjaw.

[45:52] He's a big dog.

[45:54] There's, everything's terrible.

[45:56] The bye-bye man appears and he points at Elliot

[45:58] who hallucinates his brother's family.

[46:00] But they're right outside, outside the door.

[46:02] And Elliot won't let them in.

[46:04] And the bye-bye man tries to open the door for them

[46:06] because, really, all we've seen him physically interact

[46:08] with in this movie is doors.

[46:10] And a coin, maybe?

[46:11] I don't even know.

[46:12] Maybe he's touching that coin.

[46:13] Maybe it's who the dog is.

[46:14] It seems a little unfair,

[46:15] because the rest of the time, bye-bye man,

[46:19] he does everything.

[46:21] Bye-bye the book?

[46:22] Yes.

[46:24] No, he does everything indirectly.

[46:26] And him suddenly trying to force a direct confrontation

[46:29] seems like, come on, bye-bye man.

[46:31] I thought your MO was just being the puppet master.

[46:35] Just take your time, buddy.

[46:36] It'll work.

[46:37] It's so complicated, the scheme starts breaking down.

[46:40] Bye-bye man, come in my office again.

[46:42] Here's when you know your motif is not working,

[46:46] when you gotta change up the rules at the last minute.

[46:48] Now, I never suddenly appear in the real world

[46:54] and then run from Mayor.

[46:55] You know why?

[46:57] Because it doesn't-

[46:57] Because that's Batman Returns.

[47:00] One, that's Batman Returns, classic flick.

[47:02] You've gotta see it.

[47:04] But two, it's just not me, okay?

[47:06] It doesn't fit in.

[47:07] People would be like, wait a minute,

[47:08] I thought Freddy was a creature of the dream dimension.

[47:10] I mean, would it be great?

[47:11] I mean, could I affect a lot of change that way?

[47:13] Sure.

[47:14] I could help.

[47:15] And in fact, you know what?

[47:16] I could do a lot to help out monsters like you and me.

[47:18] In fact, yes, I will run.

[47:20] And that's why today-

[47:20] I'll be the first to admit,

[47:21] I got some skeletons in my closet.

[47:24] Today, but hey, if Trump can make it to office,

[47:26] I'm feeling pretty good about my chances.

[47:28] That's the way I'm announcing my candidacy

[47:31] for Mayor of Fire Island.

[47:33] Because for far too long,

[47:34] both the LGTBQM for monster community-

[47:38] I don't know if I like this.

[47:41] I don't know if I like that addition.

[47:42] That makes it weird.

[47:46] All right.

[47:47] So his Elliot's niece,

[47:49] who's a little girl, runs off to use the bathroom.

[47:52] While the brother waits outside,

[47:53] Bye Bye Man slowly walks over and takes his hood off,

[47:57] revealing he just looks like some guy.

[47:59] He's not spooky at all.

[48:01] He's not creepy or crazy or kooky.

[48:03] Well, they tried to make him a little scary looking,

[48:05] but like, just make him a normal looking dude

[48:09] or make him actually scary looking.

[48:11] Don't put it, don't just make it halfway.

[48:13] Don't try to halfway this, Bye Bye Man.

[48:15] Yeah, like the maggots.

[48:16] Come on.

[48:17] Yeah.

[48:18] Commit, commit to the bit, Bye Bye Man.

[48:20] And Elliot's like, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, man.

[48:22] And the brother's like, bye, bye, what, huh?

[48:25] Elliot shoots himself and the soul train speeds by.

[48:28] Picking up another soul to be eaten by a monster dog.

[48:32] And also, so the monster dog eats the corpses,

[48:34] but is he also a ghost or is he a physical creature?

[48:38] Does he chase after that train

[48:39] like a dog would chase after a tiny little chuck wagon?

[48:43] This is chuck wagon, it's full of food.

[48:46] The brother can't find his daughter.

[48:48] What happened to her?

[48:49] Oh no, she's waiting in the car and the house is on fire.

[48:53] Carrie-Anne Moss gets chewed out by her boss,

[48:55] because they think Elliot killed everyone

[48:57] and she let him get away.

[48:58] But now Moss has started believing in the Bye Bye Man.

[49:01] And the niece, she's like, in the car, she's like,

[49:05] hey, I found those gold coins.

[49:08] And he's like, where did you find them?

[49:09] In the little table, it was in the back for some reason.

[49:12] And this is where you think the movie

[49:13] is leading up to you thinking,

[49:15] the girl read that it said Bye Bye Man in the bottom of it.

[49:17] And now she's-

[49:18] And you're like, fuck you, movie.

[49:19] And now, but instead, she goes,

[49:21] sorry, I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to.

[49:23] But instead, she goes, something was written in it,

[49:26] but I couldn't read in the dark.

[49:28] Okay, and then John, who is still alive,

[49:31] is being brought to an ambulance

[49:32] and he turns to Carrie-Anne Moss and goes, Bye Bye Man.

[49:34] And it was like, wait a minute, movie.

[49:36] You set up like a crazy,

[49:38] but somewhat plausible stupid twist

[49:42] and then you just threw it away.

[49:43] Wait, does he actually,

[49:44] he doesn't, does he say Bye Bye Man at the very end?

[49:47] Yeah, he does, he says Bye Bye Man.

[49:48] So instead of having someone discovering it

[49:50] despite their best efforts, a character just blurts it out.

[49:53] It's like in the beginning of Rings when it goes,

[49:54] hey, you ever heard of this movie,

[49:56] this video that kills people when you watch it?

[49:57] It's like, you know, you can't sit in the corner.

[50:00] and not think of an elephant if you're, you know, an elephant.

[50:03] I mean, that's the whole premise of this movie.

[50:05] Yeah, exactly.

[50:06] So he's got to blurt that out.

[50:08] He's got to Paul Blurt it out?

[50:10] Yeah.

[50:11] I don't know, Dan.

[50:12] It seems lazy from a screenwriting point of view.

[50:14] But if you're going to do that, why bother the fake-out

[50:17] of the little girl getting the coins, but not...

[50:19] Why does she have the coins now?

[50:21] Well, because you're worried about the kid,

[50:23] but then, like, it turns out this is it.

[50:25] I think it would be funny if it was, like, the end of

[50:27] taking a film, one, two, three.

[50:29] It's just, like, you think the movie's over,

[50:31] and then he, like, ducks his head back in.

[50:33] He's like, bye-bye, man.

[50:35] Just throws it out there.

[50:37] I wanted the next scene to be the little girl

[50:39] goes to the theme park, and she uses those gold coins

[50:41] on one of those penny-smashing machines,

[50:43] and Bye-Bye Man's like, oh, man, what are you doing?

[50:47] That's my stuff.

[50:49] Here's the thing that I want to point out about this.

[50:52] The implication you're left with by the movie

[50:54] is that all mass murders have been caused

[50:57] by the Bye-Bye Man, that, like, any, like,

[51:00] maybe even Columbine, something like that,

[51:02] any of those types of mass murders or mass shootings

[51:04] was because the Bye-Bye Man got out.

[51:06] And I couldn't help taking this to the worst extreme,

[51:09] where I'm like, only Hitler hadn't told all those Jews

[51:11] about the Bye-Bye Man.

[51:13] He wouldn't have had to do all that.

[51:15] But it feels like it left a bad taste in my mouth

[51:17] to be like, this is why killings happen,

[51:20] because of the Bye-Bye Man.

[51:22] I was like, movie, you did not earn that

[51:24] to suddenly project yourself into, like,

[51:26] a horrible crime that happens.

[51:28] I didn't like it.

[51:29] No.

[51:31] Which is too bad, because I loved the movie otherwise.

[51:34] Okay, well...

[51:35] I didn't want to say bye-bye to the Bye-Bye Man.

[51:37] I wanted to say, hello, give me more, please.

[51:39] There was one crack in the armor that you were able to exploit.

[51:42] Otherwise.

[51:44] But yeah, so did you guys find this movie as dull

[51:46] as I did for most of it?

[51:47] Yeah, it was super, super dull.

[51:49] One of my favorite moments of foreshadowing in the movie

[51:53] was early on where Elliot and Sasha are,

[51:56] I think they're stressed out or upset or something,

[51:58] and Elliot's trying to comfort her and he goes,

[52:01] you want to watch something stupid?

[52:03] And I'm like, uh-oh, I guess that's what I'm going to be doing.

[52:10] That was the tagline to the movie.

[52:12] You want to watch something stupid?

[52:14] I mean, that would be a great tagline for a movie, to be honest.

[52:17] That could be the tagline for The Jerk.

[52:19] It would fit perfectly.

[52:21] Actually, I think that would be a very successful ad campaign

[52:25] because a lot of people do just want to watch something stupid.

[52:28] People love watching stupid stuff.

[52:30] That's what YouTube is built on.

[52:33] Oh, come on.

[52:35] These kids today, huh?

[52:36] Yeah, these millennials with their video screens in their pockets

[52:39] and looking at the cat raps and all the vlogs with the kids react.

[52:45] The unboxings of things.

[52:47] Always unboxing things.

[52:49] Yeah, where do they get all those boxes?

[52:50] So let's unbox The Bye-Bye Man.

[52:52] The movie opens in 1969.

[52:54] No, no, no, we're nice.

[52:57] Let's do final judgments.

[52:58] We kind of did it already, but it's a tradition.

[53:01] So our Shocktober categories.

[53:04] Tell me again because I don't remember them and they're very confusing.

[53:07] Is this movie totally scarifying, totally snorifying, or frighteningly funny?

[53:16] I love it.

[53:18] Oh, man.

[53:19] My favorite time of year.

[53:20] Just for that.

[53:21] When I get to say those words.

[53:25] Yeah, I mean I would probably say this falls squarely in the snorifying category.

[53:33] Yeah, I did find it totally snorifying.

[53:36] There were occasional moments of funniness like Faye Dunaway's bad CGI fire.

[53:42] Yeah.

[53:43] Otherwise, it's a movie that takes so – the premise is so straightforward and it takes so long to get going.

[53:50] And they do everything they can to screw up this premise.

[53:53] Yeah, yeah, it's totally snorifying.

[53:56] Like just see The Ring.

[53:57] I feel like –

[53:58] Just go see The Ring.

[53:59] Same basic movie.

[54:00] Who saw that Faye Dunaway shot and they're like, this is the final effect shot?

[54:04] And they're like, perfect.

[54:06] Good enough for a major motion picture.

[54:09] I think the accountant who was in charge of the budget for the movie made that decision.

[54:12] But like I feel like anybody would see it and be like, nah, let's change it.

[54:17] Let's change it to something better.

[54:19] Can't we just set Faye Dunaway on fire?

[54:23] Faye Dunaway, that was the original plan.

[54:25] Faye Dunaway kept insisting that she do it.

[54:27] She's like, I'll do it.

[54:29] I don't know what the problem is.

[54:30] I'm not a wimp.

[54:31] I do all my own stunts and I always have.

[54:32] Set me aflame.

[54:34] Flame Dunaway they used to call me.

[54:36] Flame on.

[54:37] You're a classic catchphrase.

[54:39] That she says in Chinatown.

[54:43] Flame on, Jake.

[54:44] It's Chinatown.

[54:45] And he's like, what?

[54:46] Your character got killed.

[54:47] How are you talking?

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[56:03] And then I tell them who's right and who's wrong.

[56:06] Thanks to Judge John Hodgman's ruling.

[56:08] My dad has been forced to retire.

[56:10] One of the worst dad jokes of all time.

[56:12] Instead of cutting his own hair with a flow beat.

[56:15] My husband has his hair cut professionally.

[56:18] I have to join a community theater group.

[56:20] And my wife has stopped bringing home wild animals.

[56:23] It's the Judge John Hodgman podcast.

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[58:14] Oh, so, like, I guess all that extra money will just trickle down into my pocket?

[58:18] You know it exactly, into your pocket.

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[58:24] Sure.

[58:25] You're going to pour a gallon of water into that washcloth, and a few drops are going to trickle through it.

[58:28] Uh-huh.

[58:29] I mean, and those are delicious.

[58:30] I need that water to survive.

[58:32] And it tastes a little better because it's through the washcloth.

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[58:42] Seriously?

[58:43] Yeah.

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[59:04] So I guess you guys are of the minority of humans who don't suck on washcloths when you're kids?

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[1:00:57] beat. Yeah, and feet does not automatically auto enter or auto fill. I was like,

[1:01:04] seems like there's a problem here. Why is this guy binging it?

[1:01:08] Why is there no place on the internet for those of us who, like me, have an interest in the Bye-Bye

[1:01:12] Man's feet? Yeah, does he wear shoes? Does he walk around barefoot? Well, there'll be a couple

[1:01:16] different pictures like that. We don't get a real sense of it in the movie, but I gotta assume

[1:01:20] that's because the movie is hiding some pretty sweet feet on that picture. I don't know. I

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[1:01:36] Squarespace. We also have some J-J-J-J-J-J-J-Jumbo Trons.

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[1:02:03] Rubber baby, okay. Do you love the Flophouse but wish one of them was a lady and they only

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[1:02:18] But if that interests you, then check out the podcast Good Times Great Movies, where every

[1:02:24] other week Jamie and Doug choose a film from that magical decade and roast it. Any similarity to the

[1:02:32] Flophouse is pure coincidence. I guess that's legal. You had to stick that in. Would the

[1:02:38] Floppers like to join us for an episode? Pervazoid number one, oh they used your title. Maybe Zapped?

[1:02:47] Stew, how about Dolls? And Elliot with only one T, so I'm assuming they're not talking about me.

[1:02:54] Talking to the character from The Bye Bye Man too late. It's too late, he's dead. Might as well cover it.

[1:02:59] Maybe something artsy like My Dinner with Andre? Great movie. Oh, he'd probably like that.

[1:03:04] Yeah. Well, that's really holding our feet to the flames on that one. But yeah, so check out,

[1:03:10] you can find Good Times Great Movies wherever you get podcasts or visit goodtimesgreatmovies.com,

[1:03:17] so check that out. And I'll take our other Jumbotron thingy, announcement that is,

[1:03:23] and they're saying what should you do? You should subscribe to Shirts and Pants on Apple Podcasts.

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[1:03:59] on iTunes today. That's Shirts and Pants. Well, I like those topics, but I generally don't like

[1:04:05] pants. He likes to be nude, yeah. I can attest to the fact that Stewart does not like pants.

[1:04:10] They're just very confining. Remember the time when we were recording and Stewart

[1:04:14] got up, left, went to the bathroom, changed into a tiny bathing suit?

[1:04:17] Guys, I'd like to have a little jumbotron of my own. I have a thank you jumbotron out there.

[1:04:25] Now, I'll make a long story short, or try to, you know me. A long while back,

[1:04:31] someone wrote in and asked, what kind of movie memorabilia do we most want? And I said I had

[1:04:36] always dreamed for years, this was a dream going back over a decade, to own one of the drawings

[1:04:42] from Gertie the Dinosaur, Winsor McCay's landmark drawing. Well, thanks to a really wonderful

[1:04:47] Flophouse listener named Michael Waite over in England, I am now the possessor of a Gertie the

[1:04:55] Dinosaur drawing through an elaborate series of... Like a Tontine? A Tonton, yeah. I know they smell

[1:05:02] bad on the inside. A Tontine's kind of like a tartlet, too. You get it at a French cafe.

[1:05:07] Yeah. He, I won't go into all the details, but very kindly reached out to me and made it happen,

[1:05:16] and now I'm super excited about it. I haven't gotten it framed yet, but I literally keep it

[1:05:21] next to my bed so I can look at it whenever I want, and it's just this amazing piece of

[1:05:26] animation history. It's beautiful. It's something that I've dreamed having as a part of my life for

[1:05:30] a long time, so I want to say thank you very much to Michael, and I wanted to promote his

[1:05:34] children's book. It's called Diggersaurus. Finally, construction trucks and dinosaurs

[1:05:39] combined into one thing, and he sent me a copy of it, and my son loves it. So, thank you very

[1:05:46] much, Michael, for making one of my dreams come true, and anyone who's interested in books for

[1:05:50] children that involve dinosaurs and construction equipment, maybe because they have a child in

[1:05:53] their life, maybe they're just young at heart, I would like to promote his book, Diggersaurus,

[1:05:57] by Michael Waite. Apparently, you can just make things happen by putting it out into the world,

[1:06:02] secret style. I mean, that's not secret. Elliot said it on a public podcast.

[1:06:07] No, no, but like, the secret. Anyway, speaking of putting...

[1:06:09] Oh!

[1:06:11] Hey, speaking of...

[1:06:11] If anyone wants to send me an original gremlin from the movie Gremlin...

[1:06:16] Speaking... No, this was like something that came out of nowhere, and it was super exciting. Like,

[1:06:20] I'm still, like, super buzzed and excited about it. It's so awesome. But speaking of putting

[1:06:25] things out in the world, we put out something recently in the world, comic books.

[1:06:29] Oh, yeah. Oh, comics, yeah.

[1:06:30] Comic books.

[1:06:30] I mean, digital comics.

[1:06:32] I mean, we put them out into the digital world, the cybersphere. We're netrunners.

[1:06:35] Yep, council cowboys.

[1:06:37] A bunch of samurai heroes.

[1:06:42] We have some new Flophouse Funnies out. Stuart's coming out soon.

[1:06:45] Yeah, it's looking... It's coming out really great.

[1:06:47] Dan and mine are out. The theme this time is love, and all the money that goes to it,

[1:06:54] money you pay for it, goes to hurricane relief for Puerto Rico. So it's a good cause.

[1:06:59] They need their... For anyone who's an American listening to us, they're our fellow Americans,

[1:07:03] and they need our help because they are being seriously underserved by our elected officials.

[1:07:08] So please read some comics and help out our own fellow citizens in their time of crisis.

[1:07:13] Yeah, support our comic book making dreams. Well, at least me.

[1:07:18] You can get them by going to flophousepodcast.com. That's our website.

[1:07:24] Oh, I see. Oh, thank you for filling in the backstory.

[1:07:27] That was like you saying the URL was Star Wars,

[1:07:29] and then you filling that in was like Episode I, The Phantom Menace.

[1:07:32] That's right.

[1:07:32] Where I was like, this was not necessary.

[1:07:37] All right. But now it's time for everyone's third favorite part of the show? I don't know.

[1:07:45] Letters from West Nerds.

[1:07:45] You know, let's rank them. It goes Stuart's hilarious jokes at number one.

[1:07:50] Number one.

[1:07:50] People are loving that shit.

[1:07:51] Dan's tie is number two. Number three is probably a letters song like this one.

[1:07:58] Hey guys, we're all together in one place. It feels so good to be face to face to face again

[1:08:05] in Toronto. This is the place that we are in a rented house with stairs that we all almost fell

[1:08:13] down and died.

[1:08:14] I actually fell down them.

[1:08:15] So if we had died, then our audiences would have cried and our loved ones as well.

[1:08:21] People think we're swell.

[1:08:23] These three guys called the floppers.

[1:08:25] Stuart, Dan, and Elle.

[1:08:27] We're all together reading letters together.

[1:08:31] Stuart's dipping water and Dan probably otter because you're looking dehydrated

[1:08:36] and I want you to take good care of yourself.

[1:08:39] Have some water right now while I'm singing to tell you that you should stay healthy with water.

[1:08:46] And Stuart's getting you some.

[1:08:48] It's very nice of you, Stuart.

[1:08:50] Yeah.

[1:08:50] This song was brought to you by the Water Council.

[1:08:52] Drink it.

[1:08:53] Love it.

[1:08:54] Make love in it.

[1:08:56] Water.

[1:08:56] Anyone tried it?

[1:09:01] The Water Council does not approve of using water as a place to pressure fish to satisfy you.

[1:09:13] The Water Council is in favor of all consensual sexual acts between loving adult partners or even

[1:09:19] adult strangers.

[1:09:20] Now, here's the thing.

[1:09:21] Fish live a different lifespan than humans.

[1:09:25] How do you do that math, Dan?

[1:09:26] When you wade into the water, how do you know which fish are okay?

[1:09:31] That's a good point.

[1:09:32] Yeah, I don't know.

[1:09:33] I don't know.

[1:09:34] I guess you'd probably just go with sharks because they live a long time.

[1:09:37] There's that one kind of shark that can live for like 500 years.

[1:09:39] He's got it.

[1:09:40] He must have picked up a thing or two.

[1:09:43] Yeah, he's seeing some stuff.

[1:09:46] The bottom of the ocean, mainly.

[1:09:48] Yeah, very uncomfortable.

[1:09:49] Let's move on to letters.

[1:09:50] It's time for the letters and we're moving on to the letters as Dan takes a sip of water.

[1:09:56] Hey there, get your son and your daughter because we're

[1:10:00] I'm with the fish blowjob stuff and we're on to the family friendly letter

[1:10:04] segment. This is from Bartholomew last name withheld. Simpson. It goes dear flop

[1:10:13] stars. Calabunga. Do the Bartman. Why doesn't anyone do the Bartman anymore?

[1:10:24] Because it wasn't a real dance Dan. No one ever did the Bartman. Let your body shake

[1:10:28] move it side to side. Okay that's just dancing. The time warp tells you how to

[1:10:32] do it. The Bartman you're like what am I supposed to be doing right now? Twist

[1:10:37] makes sense. You just do what the name of the dance is. Mashed potato? Harder to

[1:10:41] figure out. Yeah so this letter goes like this. I want I wanted to thank you guys. I

[1:10:47] recently cycled across a large amount of France which if you knew me you would

[1:10:52] realize is an incredible feat for someone of my mass but I was only really

[1:10:56] able to finish this trip because of you guys. Stuart's boisterousness helped me

[1:11:00] get a good start to the day. Elliot's rambling stopped me from getting bored

[1:11:03] during miles of endless fields and Dan's vocal tones helped me to sleep after a

[1:11:08] long day of exertion. So are we to believe that Bartholomew separated out each of

[1:11:14] our voice, each of our lines and listened to them? Yeah isolate the vocal tracks. Like a soundboard?

[1:11:19] No. While I'm here I have a question. What do you guys think are the best French

[1:11:25] films you've seen? I'm just starting to learn the language and need some good

[1:11:28] movies to make it more fun. Thanks for all your flopping. You guys are my

[1:11:32] favorites. Well I mean if you're I got one right off the bat. My favorite French

[1:11:36] film is Wages of Fear. Okay that's a great movie. It was remade as Sorcerer.

[1:11:42] It's about some desperate men who have to transport nitroglycerin in a

[1:11:48] truck through the jungle and any over stimulation of the nitroglycerin, any

[1:11:54] shakes will blow them sky-high and it's a very tense thriller and it's got

[1:12:02] beautiful black-and-white photography. I love it. It's hard to, France has a

[1:12:07] wonderful cinema tradition. It's difficult. I would say that Rules of the

[1:12:12] Game might be my pick for the best one by Renoir. It's like really touching and

[1:12:18] really funny and it looks great but also like Jules and Jim is an amazing movie.

[1:12:24] Like pretty much all the Truffaut, Antoine Danel movies are like

[1:12:31] at the very least fun but at their best they're like I mean you know beautiful

[1:12:35] like amazing. There's a ton of great French movies. It's hard to pick. Yeah and

[1:12:41] there's a bunch of super gory ones like High Tension and The Inside. Is it The

[1:12:46] Inside or Inside? It doesn't matter. That one's gross. Martyrs. Yeah check them out.

[1:12:52] Yeah there's a tradition in new extreme French horror cinema. Yeah it's gross.

[1:12:58] It's gross. There's one word to describe it and that's gross. I guess would you

[1:13:03] consider like a lot of Bunuel's movies French because they were made in France

[1:13:07] but he's himself is not French. Like with French movies here's how I'm gonna say

[1:13:11] this is how I always figure you should explore any type of any type of group of

[1:13:16] movies. The first one that sounds interesting to you just watch it and

[1:13:19] then just follow the threads from that movie. The people who are in it that you

[1:13:22] like or the people who made it that you like or just other ones that sound

[1:13:25] similar like but I'd say start with Jules and Jim maybe. This is from Mallory

[1:13:32] last name withheld who says. P. Keaton. Her middle initial was also P. Probably right?

[1:13:41] I guess yeah her initial name was probably Mallory probably Keaton. In the episode

[1:13:48] about the USS Indianapolis. I feel bad about making fun of that old man I apologize.

[1:13:54] Stewart said the reason why Indianapolis is nicknamed nap town. Yeah. Because nap

[1:13:59] is in the name. Well that is partially right. The actual reason is even better.

[1:14:03] I'm from the Indy area and in my senior year of high school I took a class in

[1:14:07] photography. For some reason our teacher showed us a documentary about Indy in

[1:14:11] the 60s. The only thing I remember about it is a horrific murder and Indianapolis

[1:14:16] is nicknames. They explained that teenagers gave Indianapolis the nickname

[1:14:20] nap town because the city was so boring. The other popular nickname at the time

[1:14:24] was Indy no place which did not stick but is arguably better. I don't I think I

[1:14:30] remember this because it's either really clever or really stupid and I can't

[1:14:33] decide which. I actually don't hear nap town that often and I still live here

[1:14:37] except when talking about the nap town roller derby which is our roller derby

[1:14:41] league. Mm-hmm. Anyway ROCK in the USA Mallory last name withheld and as

[1:14:47] someone who whose grandparents lived in Indianapolis. Came from nap town yeah. I can

[1:14:53] confirm the boringness of that particular burg. Well there's not a lot

[1:15:00] to address in this letter. I mean it's nice to get a correction. If it helps I

[1:15:04] thought of some other French movies that are worth a try like Rafifi or Bob La

[1:15:08] Flambeau are really good starters or like Elevator to the Gallows is a real

[1:15:14] tense movie that's really good. Man Bites Dog. That's not French is it? Yeah it is.

[1:15:20] Is it? For some reason I thought that was Scandinavian. No it's French. Oh it's French.

[1:15:24] Okay sure Man Bites Dog then and any any of the 30s movies with Jean Gabin

[1:15:32] in it. The French Humphrey Bogart. Elliot I just want to tell you I got a

[1:15:37] text right now and I thought it was gonna be something dramatic or something

[1:15:42] important. Mm-hmm. And it was from my co-worker your former co-worker Matt

[1:15:47] Coff saying what do we do with screeners we don't want? You cut them up and throw

[1:15:53] them away. Yeah. Well glad you interrupted. Yeah well such a good story I just wanted

[1:15:59] to add a little of the moment flavor. My brother went on a vacation recently and

[1:16:06] he texted me while he was on the vacation this international vacation and he said

[1:16:11] and I he had a lead-up that made me think he was about to give me some very

[1:16:16] dramatic news or very important news about something something cool that

[1:16:21] happened during the trip and he put he says like I think the coolest thing was

[1:16:24] colon and then I waited for a long long time and I was like what is it what is

[1:16:27] it and I was the edge of my seat like sit did something like do you have news

[1:16:30] to tell me and then he go I text him back I was like I'm in suspense wasn't

[1:16:33] just oh the picture didn't go through it was the Frog Museum and he sends me

[1:16:36] a picture of a sign for this museum that is hundreds of frogs taxidermied into

[1:16:40] human activities and I was like okay I thought he was gonna tell me like

[1:16:44] something big really happened or like he has great news or something dramatic no

[1:16:49] Frog Museum I mean I wish I want to see it too and the picture on the sign is a

[1:16:55] bunch of frogs in like a a competitive rowboat with their head with the oars in

[1:17:02] their hands yep it's weird they would uh they do a sport that's so upper-body

[1:17:08] heavy yeah you think they take advantage of the back legs yeah the muscle is you

[1:17:15] raise a very good point that I did not even think about until now this last

[1:17:20] letter purports to be from someone by the name of Stubert Mclass name withheld

[1:17:25] I think that's a pseudonym probably and says run it through our database oh yeah

[1:17:32] there's a bunch of hits there it is yeah person of interest

[1:17:34] Stubert feet it says hey boys last year I rented a movie theater for my

[1:17:40] birthday and forced about 30 good friends to watch Koyaanisqazi what's an

[1:17:45] interesting birthday choice yeah they're not not that that's a bad movie just

[1:17:49] that like there's a certain aspect of that where it's like well we'll see what

[1:17:52] he says but feels like we're gonna enjoy this or you're gonna hate it

[1:17:55] yeah well he says this was perfect as I live in Europe and having movie that

[1:17:58] doesn't depend on dialogue is ideal for my next birthday I was considering doing

[1:18:03] the same but now I don't know what movie would be good to show I've considered

[1:18:07] stop making sense but if some slack-jawed doofus isn't into talking

[1:18:10] heads that would make for a long evening for them what's a movie that works well

[1:18:13] outside language and it's little seen enough to warrant subject my friends to

[1:18:17] I don't know about little seen but my first impulse with this is to go with

[1:18:22] like a Buster Keaton movie there's obviously that this outside language and

[1:18:27] he's my favorite of the silent film stars if he's not afraid of showing the

[1:18:31] silent film then I would recommend it's called the wind and it's a thing was

[1:18:35] Lillian Gish and it's about a woman who basically in the marries a man she

[1:18:42] doesn't really know that well and gets taken to live with him in his kind of

[1:18:46] frontier house in the desert and she leaves him alone he leaves her alone for

[1:18:50] long periods of time and she kind of get is driven mad by the wind in the

[1:18:53] desert but it's a silent movie that's super creepy but also you know you do

[1:18:57] like Fantasia oh yeah that's a good one I'm a big fan of uh this doesn't really

[1:19:02] answer the question but I'm a big fan of on Halloween screening or movies with

[1:19:07] the sound off at the bar and it's always fun for like the first hour so people

[1:19:13] kind of ignore what's going on on the screen and then as the movie like starts

[1:19:17] kicking into gear people like more and more people are like what is this what's

[1:19:23] happening yeah so that's always fun and for that just pick any really great gory

[1:19:28] horror movie like just go to the Stuart Gordon section in your local video store

[1:19:33] and just push all the boxes into your your cart the sections of east are

[1:19:42] romance comedy drama action-adventure and Stuart Gordon like Stuart Gordon

[1:19:47] films check so many of these genre boxes let's make it its own section you

[1:19:54] could also run a movie like Blade Runner or Suspiria that works better as a

[1:19:58] visual experience than it does as a

[1:20:00] narrative one. Whoa. Take that 4k new version of Suspiria. The members of Goblin are in

[1:20:07] town Ellie, you better watch your fucking mouth. Oh no, but I love their work. That's literally true.

[1:20:11] They are? Yeah, we heard this last night. Where are they playing? They're doing, there's a

[1:20:18] screening of Suspiria with Goblin there. Oh, I want to go to that. Is that the same time as our

[1:20:23] show tonight? It's right before. So I guess we're not watching the movie. Yeah, I mean,

[1:20:28] I guess what we can watch. Bullshit about whatever for a couple hours. Nobody will know,

[1:20:33] they don't watch these movies. No one's seen the Bye Bye Man. We're reviewing, well yeah,

[1:20:37] I guess you're right. But I mean like whatever the movie we're doing for this next one. So Dan,

[1:20:42] what do we do with this part of the podcast? This is the part of the podcast where we recommend a

[1:20:46] movie that you should watch instead of the Bye Bye Man. Anyone got a good recommendation? They

[1:20:51] have to be French? Does it have to be the opposite of this? Because I guess Hello Dolly would be

[1:20:57] the Bye Bye Man. Who's gonna go first, fellas? So right before I hurt my back playing a really

[1:21:09] long board game, Elliot, you gotta put me on fucking blast, huh? I gotta hear about this on

[1:21:17] the podcast? No, I went to the Traveling Fantastic Fest thing they were doing at the draft house in

[1:21:30] Brooklyn. And I went to an early screening of a movie that's currently being worked on called

[1:21:36] Applecart, which is kind of like a B-horror movie. There was a brief Q&A afterwards with one of the

[1:21:47] producers, and they were saying that they're not even sure if that's gonna be the final title of

[1:21:51] the movie, and that they're still in the editing process. And it didn't completely feel that way.

[1:21:58] But as soon as I heard that, I couldn't help but think about the movie and be like,

[1:22:03] oh, they could tweak this or change that. And I don't think it's... I mean, this is a somewhat

[1:22:08] qualified recommendation because I don't think the whole thing holds up super well, but there's

[1:22:11] really good stuff to it. It does a thing where the story of the movie runs parallel to a true

[1:22:23] crime, unsolved mysteries type show that's documenting the events that you're gonna be

[1:22:31] watching in the movie. And it doesn't all work, but it does add a little bit of levity to the

[1:22:38] whole process. And the parody of a true crime show is pretty funny, and the staged events that

[1:22:47] they do with actors are pretty funny. And it's got a pretty good performance from A.J. Bowen,

[1:22:54] and a great performance from Barbara Crampton. She's great. And there's also some really cool

[1:23:02] practical special effects in it. So, Applecart. Scary name.

[1:23:07] I'm gonna recommend a couple of horror movies, too, because it's Shocktober. These are both

[1:23:14] fun movies, not the greatest, like, you know, B's, not A's, but they're still enjoyable. I

[1:23:22] watched the Netflix adaptation of Gerald's Game, which... I've heard it's good. It's from that

[1:23:30] guy who did the movie Hush, and the Ouija sequel that was supposed to be actually pretty good,

[1:23:35] even though the first one sucked. And it's got Bruce Greenwood and your favorite... what's her

[1:23:43] face? Carla Gugino, Dan. What's her face? The actress you have a crush on, who is she? Oh yeah,

[1:23:51] the blank from Dick Tracy. And it's about, I guess, content warning. There is something that

[1:23:59] comes close to being like an attempted rape in it, but it's about a woman who gets, you know,

[1:24:06] like, goes up to the cabin with her husband for a, like, rekindling sort of weekend,

[1:24:12] and they have a sex game where she gets handcuffed to the bed, and he gets a little too rough with

[1:24:19] her. You're gonna tell us the whole story? Well, this is the very beginning of the movie,

[1:24:24] and she, and he dies. He's just taking some Viagra, and his heart goes out, and the rest

[1:24:30] of it is her being strapped to the bed. His heart goes out to his listeners? Yeah,

[1:24:33] they've suffered a lot. There's a lot that's going on in the world today, Elliot. Yeah,

[1:24:37] whatever happened to predictability? The Milkman, Paperboy, Evening TV? Anyway,

[1:24:44] it's all about her survival, and how she gets out of it, and how she keeps her sanity while

[1:24:52] she's strapped to the bed, and no one's around to save her. And so, that's pretty good. And I

[1:24:57] also actually went out and saw Add Some Time to Kill. It slotted right into my two-hour window

[1:25:05] that I needed to fill up, and I saw Happy Death Day, which is a very silly movie, but I enjoyed

[1:25:11] it quite a bit, actually. It's not really a good horror movie in that there's no real scares in it,

[1:25:19] but as kind of a comic thriller, it's a lot of fun. I mean, everyone, I think, knows the premise.

[1:25:25] It's basically Groundhog's Day with a slasher. Yeah, a slasher. And it's a nice little movie,

[1:25:31] and I think that the lead is very likable, too. Fun. That's one I'm curious to see. I'm going

[1:25:39] to recommend some scary movies, too, but you know what's the scariest thing, guys? Depression.

[1:25:44] That's true. It is incredibly frightening. And so, I recently watched two movies that dealt

[1:25:50] with depression in very different ways, and I enjoyed, is the wrong word, because they're not

[1:25:55] happy movies, but I was affected by both of them. One of them is Queen of Earth, starring Elizabeth

[1:26:00] Moss, which is a kind of more, you know, poetico-lyrical, kind of elliptical take on

[1:26:09] dealing with depression and memories of when things were better, experiencing when things

[1:26:16] are bad now, and kind of the breakdown of a friendship between two women, when as one of

[1:26:22] them is dealing with real serious depression, the other one is dealing with her own disappointments

[1:26:26] and things, and you kind of have to puzzle out exactly what's going on with these people,

[1:26:29] but I found it very affecting. And the other one is Christine, starring Rebecca Hall. Not

[1:26:34] Christine about the car that tries to kill people, but Christine, the story of Christine

[1:26:38] Chubbuck. Is there a car in that movie, though? They do drive in cars, yes. Christine Chubbuck,

[1:26:42] the local news reporter who in the 70s killed herself on air, and it's, that one is very much

[1:26:49] about a person who is, who is dealing with depression, but also in the way that it shuts

[1:26:56] her off from the people around her, and she kind of can't read the signals they're sending her,

[1:27:00] and they can't really understand what she's trying to get across, and I found in both of

[1:27:05] these, just the portrayal of it and the characters they were drawing felt so real to me, and like

[1:27:10] people I've known, the ways that I've felt, and so I thought they were both, neither of them are

[1:27:15] super perfect, they both have flaws here and there, but I thought they were both very affecting and

[1:27:20] very powerful presentations of it. And Tracy Letts has a role in Christine, playing this guy who's

[1:27:28] like kind of an asshole, but at the same time you're like, I found, maybe just through the

[1:27:33] performance, I found him more sympathetic than I would have thought, and so there's a, there's a

[1:27:37] wholeness to the personalities in the movies, in both of them, that I found very powerful. So anyway,

[1:27:45] Queen of Earth and Christine. Super scary, but there's no like monsters in them. Yeah. Except

[1:27:51] the monsters in the human psyche. His name, Sycor. Oh wow. And he eats dreams. Oh man, does he have a

[1:27:59] dog? He has an evil dog, and the dog carries a gold coin in its mouth, and they ride on, not a train,

[1:28:04] but like a speedboat. Oh. But it's a speedboat that goes on land with wheels, it's pretty goofy. I love

[1:28:10] this asylum cinema knockoff of Bye Bye Man. They thought it was gonna be a big blockbuster. Sycor, yeah. So they came out

[1:28:17] with like a Sayonara Dude. The Adios Amigo. Hey, did you hear about the Adios Amigo? So that, this ends our two-month

[1:28:30] stretch of themed shows, so. Okay, don't we have Sandalvember coming up, where we do an Adam Sandler

[1:28:38] movie? Yeah. It was never codified. Well, he does have a new movie out, but it's not, I don't think it's

[1:28:43] supposed to be a bad movie. It's supposed to be pretty good. So, is that a Noah Baumbach movie? Is Noah Baumbach. Fuck that. What was that? What were we talking about? I was congratulating Adam Sandler. Okay, cool. So I guess we should sign off, because we've got a big day. We're actually recording this the day that we're also doing our Toronto live show. Yeah. It's gonna, it's a crazy day, and I got in at 640 this morning, so it's gonna be nuts. And you know what's keeping me energized and awake? What's that? Being with my best buds. Oh, cool. I'm getting to be

[1:29:13] around them when I haven't in a while. Elliot's holding up two bottles of Budweiser beer. I've been saving them. They're vintage. They're my best buds. Yeah, so we should sign off for The Flophouse. I've been Dan McCoy. This is me saying bye-bye, man. I'm Stuart Wellington. And me saying don't say it, don't think it, Elliot Kalin. See ya. Bye! Bye, man.

[1:29:43] That was John McLaughlin's sign-off, though.

[1:30:00] Bye-bye.

[1:30:01] Oh, I thought he was the one who said, go, bye-bye, ya-ya-ya-ya-ya.

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Ep. #243 - The Bye Bye Man

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