FH Mini 131 - Hostesses with the Mostesses

[0:00] Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse Mini.

Dan McCoy

[0:07] As you all know, if you're listening, probably,

[0:10] the Flophouse is a podcast where we talk about bad movies normally.

[0:14] But in this case, we're going to do something a little different

[0:17] in that it's an off week.

[0:20] And off weeks are when we do our Flophouse Minis.

[0:23] And for this mini, I wanted to combine something that Elliot loves

[0:27] with something that he hates and watch them fight it out in his brain.

[0:31] Fried chicken and Kokomo?

[0:33] Close.

[0:35] Marvel Comics and Fruit.

[0:38] Because in the 70s and 80s,

[0:41] Hostess did a series of comic book ads for their fruit pies.

[0:44] And of course, these ran not just in Marvel Comics,

[0:47] but also in DC, Archie, Gold Key, and Harvey Comics.

[0:50] And some of the ads were for non-fruit treats like Twinkies.

[0:53] But I'm going to be focusing on Marvel and Fruit Pies.

[0:57] And the premise of these ads were usually that superheroes were foiling crime

[1:01] with the strategic deployment of fruit pies.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05] Yeah, the fruit pies would distract the villain often.

[1:07] And they'd go, I don't want to steal these millions

[1:08] when I could have these delicious fruit pies.

[1:10] Exactly.

[1:10] That makes sense.

[1:12] Take that, Thanos.

Stuart Wellington

[1:13] Mm-hmm.

[1:14] And so we're going to look through...

[1:14] Take that, Fin Fang Foom.

[1:16] Yeah.

[1:16] Thanos is like, I love death, but even more, I love cherry pies.

Dan McCoy

[1:21] Fin Fang Foom.

[1:23] Would a fruit pie be enough to even interest that guy?

Elliott Kalan

[1:26] Well, the thing is, Fin Fang Foom can only be put to sleep by a special herb.

[1:29] So if that's one of the ingredients in Hostess Fruit Pies,

[1:32] then it would be good to do the trick.

Dan McCoy

[1:34] Anyway, we're going to look through some of these ads.

[1:36] And obviously, this is not just for Elliot.

[1:38] It's also open to Stuart.

[1:39] But I especially wanted Elliot's insider knowledge of comics.

[1:44] And I'm just here to keep him honest.

[1:46] Yeah.

[1:47] Yeah.

[1:48] And I wanted to...

[1:49] We're going to look through these things.

[1:50] I wanted to rate each of these installments on a scale of 1 to 10 in two categories.

[1:55] The first category, of course, fidelity to the material.

[1:58] How much does this feel like a regular adventure that these heroes might have?

[2:03] You know, how on model is the characterization, etc.

Elliott Kalan

[2:06] So this really ties into our The Garfield movie episode just last week,

[2:09] which was very off model for that character.

[2:11] Yeah, that's true.

Dan McCoy

[2:13] And the second category, of course, is how well do we think the pies would work in this situation?

[2:18] Is this a plausible deployment of pies as weapons?

[2:22] So...

[2:23] What's the score rating?

[2:25] It's 1 to 10 on each of these.

[2:26] Is 10 the best or worst?

[2:29] 10 is the best in this case, yeah.

[2:32] Just like, quick efforts.

Elliott Kalan

[2:39] Sorry, what's the question?

[2:40] That was a solid 10 joke, Dan.

[2:42] And you gave him nothing.

Dan McCoy

[2:44] I'm so distracted by seeing whether I understand how to share my screen.

Elliott Kalan

[2:49] Dan's like, I'm confused by the rules of my own game.

Dan McCoy

[2:54] The ultimate jigsaw.

Elliott Kalan

[2:56] That's working right, Elliot?

[2:58] No, I can see nothing.

Dan McCoy

[3:00] You can see nothing?

[3:01] I mean, I can see you guys.

[3:02] Well, I need to see your doctor.

[3:04] Okay, well, hold on.

[3:05] Let's see if we're going to go back down.

Elliott Kalan

[3:07] Yeah, my eyes, the goggles do nothing.

[3:09] Oh, now it's sharing.

[3:10] And I'm seeing a very small window.

Dan McCoy

[3:12] Well, I'm going to maximize it.

[3:14] Okay.

[3:14] So chill out, dude.

[3:16] Wow.

Elliott Kalan

[3:17] I'm sorry that I was accurately reporting what I was seeing to you.

Stuart Wellington

[3:20] I feel like there's no better podcast than hearing middle-aged dudes fiddle with technology.

[3:26] Good math.

Dan McCoy

[3:27] Here we go.

[3:29] So, of course, this first one.

[3:32] I've got to move this screen sharing thing out of the way.

[3:35] We've got...

Elliott Kalan

[3:36] If you press the play button on the top of that, it might just show the image and not the whole thing.

Dan McCoy

[3:43] At the top, go to the left.

[3:45] And...

[3:45] Good tip.

[3:47] And there you go.

[3:48] Check it out.

[3:49] Okay.

[3:49] So, thank you for bearing with us.

[3:52] This one is called...

[3:53] Because there's no way to edit any of that.

[3:55] It has to be shown in real time.

[3:57] Yeah.

[3:57] You know, I think that part of the charm of our show is how ramshackle it is.

[4:02] At least...

[4:03] That's what we tell ourselves.

[4:04] Yeah.

[4:04] It's convenient that it means that we don't have to do as much work.

[4:08] Now, anyway, this one's called Thing and the Ultimate Weapon.

[4:11] And we have, of course...

[4:12] The Thing and the Ultimate Weapon.

[4:13] The Thing.

[4:13] Sorry.

[4:14] The The was hidden in the T.

[4:17] Of course, The Thing from Fantastic Four...

[4:21] First Steps.

[4:23] Is here...

[4:24] In theaters soon-ish?

[4:26] Yeah.

[4:27] Maybe already in theaters.

[4:28] Some purple hooded fellow has The Thing under a hydraulic press.

[4:36] It says it has the power to push through a planet.

[4:39] It will certainly keep this strange looking human in its place.

Elliott Kalan

[4:42] He calls it an atomic hydralopress, which is...

[4:46] I do approve as an unnecessary complication of what it actually is, which is a hydraulic

[4:50] press.

[4:50] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[4:51] And, of course, in the grand tradition of villains, he narrates what's going on.

[4:56] He says, look, his hands dig into the metal as if it were paper.

[5:00] And this art is by Sam Keith, right?

Elliott Kalan

[5:03] Yeah, because the characters all have huge hands and feet, phone cord threads coming off

[5:08] their clothes, and Wolverine is naked.

[5:10] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[5:10] Yeah, exactly.

[5:11] The Thing pushes this press off him.

[5:13] He comes at this robot man.

[5:16] And the robot says, it is time for the ultimate weapon.

[5:20] Torgo.

[5:21] I guess this is Torgo from Manos, the Hands of Fate.

[5:24] Is this...

[5:24] Yep.

Elliott Kalan

[5:24] Torgo, the assistant to the master from Manos, the Hands of Fate, the man with goat legs.

[5:28] Yeah.

[5:29] You're portrayed as a kind of somewhat Kirby-esque robot.

[5:33] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[5:34] Thing is not enjoying this.

[5:36] Sheesh.

[5:37] Just when I need another challenge.

[5:40] They fight.

[5:41] You know, the Thing is not interested.

[5:45] He's like, oh, fighting's boring.

[5:46] Here.

[5:47] Here's some Hostess fruit pies.

[5:49] Apple, cherry, peach.

[5:50] And the robot, despite being a robot, is eating these pies and says, these are very good.

[5:55] And the Thing says, knew you like the light, tender crust and the real fruit filling?

[6:00] Everyone does.

[6:01] Everyone, including Metal Men, apparently.

Elliott Kalan

[6:04] But not me.

[6:05] The Metal Men, of course, DC characters.

[6:08] Yeah.

[6:08] Thank you.

[6:08] So we don't know if they like fruit pies.

[6:10] But this is a generic Metal Man, Torgo.

[6:12] Yeah.

[6:13] So...

Dan McCoy

[6:13] But Torgo says, you're right.

[6:14] This is better than fighting.

[6:17] And this...

[6:18] Someone's...

[6:19] I guess the hooded purple guy is a different guy.

[6:22] He says...

[6:22] There's two of them now.

[6:23] Oh, no, there's always two.

Elliott Kalan

[6:24] So there's two in the first panel.

[6:26] It's just hard to make them out.

Dan McCoy

[6:27] Yeah.

[6:27] Oh, I'll say...

[6:28] Yeah, I couldn't tell if that was two in the first.

[6:30] But he says, they're more to the strange human creature than brawn.

[6:35] I would only wish that we, too, could enjoy some Hostess fruit pies.

[6:38] I mean...

Stuart Wellington

[6:39] Yeah, yeah.

[6:40] It seems like if they went into the room, they could just get some of these pies.

[6:43] Yeah.

[6:43] No, part of it is...

[6:44] Part of it for them is the kink of watching them eat pies.

[6:48] Yeah, yeah.

[6:48] They're pie cucks.

[6:49] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[6:51] So, you know, first off, you know, my question, fidelity to the...

[6:55] Is Torgo a known Fantastic Four villain or is this a...

Elliott Kalan

[7:00] To my knowledge, this is not an original Fantastic Four character.

[7:05] This is an addition.

[7:05] These two hooded characters are just kind of vaguely perhaps alien villains.

[7:10] One of them has kind of a green hand.

[7:11] Yeah.

[7:12] Otherwise, they look like Orko a little bit from Masters of the Universe.

Stuart Wellington

[7:15] They kind of look like the tall man's henchmen that have been shrunk down when he puts them

[7:20] through the tuning forks.

Elliott Kalan

[7:21] Yeah.

[7:21] As far as I know, Torgo is not a character that that thing has encountered before or any

[7:26] Marvel character before.

[7:27] But the name Torgo...

[7:28] But he is the ultimate weapon.

[7:29] He is the ultimate weapon.

[7:30] Torgo is...

[7:31] He looks very Ultron-ish.

[7:33] And Torgo certainly is the kind of name that a lot of Marvel characters from the old timely

[7:37] monster days would have had.

[7:39] Gugam, that kind of stuff.

Stuart Wellington

[7:40] I do love those like Kirby-style metal lines on his body.

[7:45] That's just sick.

[7:46] I love that.

Dan McCoy

[7:48] So, okay.

[7:48] Maybe the villain's not, you know, close to the comics.

[7:52] But what about the characterization of Thing here?

[7:54] He seems to be the Thing we know.

Elliott Kalan

[7:56] He says, no overgrown toy is going to keep this blue-eyed pretty boy tied down against

[8:00] his will.

[8:01] It's been established.

[8:01] It's canon.

[8:02] He does have blue eyes.

[8:03] Because he's ever-loving blue-eyed Thing and Petunia's favorite nephew.

[8:08] And when Torgo comes out, he goes, sheesh, just when I need another challenge, that sheesh

[8:11] is very thing.

[8:12] So, yeah, he's on character.

[8:13] This is on brand for him.

[8:15] Now, normally he would just keep punching the robot instead of offering the robot food.

[8:19] Yeah.

[8:20] It seems like more of...

[8:21] A little twist of the third act.

[8:22] Yeah.

[8:22] That seems like more the kind of thing when Reed Richards would come...

[8:24] Mr. Fantastic would come in at the end and be like, wait, I can...

[8:27] My electro-spectromatizer detects that this robot loves fruit pies and gives it to

[8:31] him, you know.

[8:31] But I think, you know, Thing...

[8:33] He's a man of the people, though.

[8:34] So, he would certainly share his fruit-filled pastry rather than be selfish about it.

Stuart Wellington

[8:40] Does he have to ingest, like, a shitload of calories because he's the Thing or not?

[8:44] You would have to assume so.

Elliott Kalan

[8:45] He must burn so many calories just carrying the mass around.

[8:48] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[8:49] Who eats more, The Thing or Concrete?

Elliott Kalan

[8:53] So, do they ever talk about how much Concrete eats in those stories?

[8:57] They must, right?

[8:58] That's the kind of thing that Concrete stories would totally make.

[9:00] I've never read it.

[9:01] Yeah, Dan, you have all Chadwick's number, right?

[9:05] Yeah, okay.

[9:06] I mean, similar to Concrete, you have to assume that all the floors in the Baxter building

[9:09] are reinforced because the thing weighs so much.

[9:12] You know, much as Concrete's floors had to be reinforced, you know?

[9:16] Oh, yeah.

[9:17] So, in...

[9:18] There should totally be a Thing-Concrete crossover.

[9:21] I don't know why there hasn't been.

[9:22] If there hasn't been, they should do it.

[9:23] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[9:23] I'm going to call it realism, even though, obviously, there's no realism to be had.

[9:28] It's a superhero comic.

[9:29] But realism will stand in for, you know, fidelity to the source.

[9:35] What's your realism score, would you say, for this one?

Elliott Kalan

[9:38] I'm giving this...

[9:38] In terms of realism in the Marvel Universe, I'm giving it a 10.

[9:41] This is the kind of story Thing would have found himself in in issues of 2 and 1, the

[9:44] comic book where Thing would team up with a different other hero each week or each month,

[9:49] and often with a B-list hero having a B-list adventure with a B-list villain.

[9:53] But I...

[9:54] So, I'll say, in terms of fidelity to the original source, I'm giving it a 10.

[9:58] In terms of would this really work, I'm going to give it a 1.

[10:01] I think that the robot would not express interest in the fruit pie.

[10:03] It's possible that if you can get it to eat it, it would gum up the internal works and

[10:07] break the robot.

[10:08] But I don't think it would be that you would convince the robot that to love fruit pies

[10:12] rather than fighting.

Dan McCoy

[10:13] No, I have to agree with you.

[10:14] I don't think that these footage figures, presuming they're the ones who made the robot,

[10:18] would have programmed the robot with tastebud technology.

Elliott Kalan

[10:22] No.

[10:23] TBT.

[10:23] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[10:24] So, okay.

[10:25] Well, let's...

[10:26] Okay.

[10:27] Number one down.

[10:29] Uh-oh.

[10:30] Uh-oh.

Dan McCoy

[10:30] It's called Daredevil's Daredevil?

[10:33] I put the question mark in.

[10:35] It actually has an exclamation point, but...

[10:36] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[10:36] An exclamation point outside of the quotes around Daredevil.

[10:39] It's, quote, dare dash double, quote, exclamation point, which is an interesting way to...

[10:45] I guess it says Daredevil's Daredevil is the whole phrase.

[10:48] It's an exclamation point at the end of that.

[10:50] Okay.

[10:50] I understand that.

Dan McCoy

[10:51] Uh, there's, uh, sort of an explanatory, uh, you know, box in here.

[10:56] Uh, it says, Ron Rainey, known to film buffs as the man with 999 faces.

[11:02] Yikes.

[11:03] I like that.

[11:04] Has retired from the silver screen, but not from his love for disguises.

[11:08] And he's admiring himself in the mirror saying, yeah, I look perfect wearing this Daredevil costume.

[11:14] I can steal anything.

[11:15] And Daredevil will take the blame.

[11:18] It's actually a really good plan.

[11:19] Yeah.

[11:20] I mean...

Elliott Kalan

[11:20] It's a great plan.

[11:21] Assuming he doesn't get caught in the act.

[11:23] As someone without Daredevil's powers or fighting prowess, it's very likely that he would get caught in the act of stealing the money.

[11:28] Yeah.

[11:29] And then he can't say, no, I didn't do it.

[11:30] Daredevil did.

[11:31] Because, again, he would be the one holding the money in a Daredevil costume.

[11:33] Otherwise, a great plan.

Dan McCoy

[11:35] Well, also, I mean, fortunately, he has Daredevil's impressive physique as well.

[11:38] Oh, yeah.

[11:39] He's a very muscly guy.

[11:41] But it seems to be working.

[11:43] There's, you know, newspapers are saying Daredevil goes on a rampage, crime wave, etc.

[11:47] There's an anchor saying that Daredevil has stolen millions in two weeks, which is a very successful robbery.

[11:55] Yeah.

[11:55] Mm-hmm.

[11:56] And so Foggy is reading the paper.

[12:00] Daredevil's best friend and law partner, Foggy Nelson.

[12:02] Yeah.

[12:02] He's saying, Matt, I can't just believe this about the Daredevil.

[12:05] And Matt says, neither can I, Foggy.

[12:08] Of course, he really can't believe it.

[12:10] But he has a plan.

[12:12] He has a hunch that the fake Daredevil won't be able to resist hostess fruit pies.

Elliott Kalan

[12:18] And Dan says that as if he's describing it.

[12:20] But Daredevil literally thinks to himself, I have a hunch the fake Daredevil won't be able to resist these hostess fruit pies.

[12:25] What's this hunch based on?

[12:26] Just the quality of the pies, you know.

Dan McCoy

[12:28] Specifying that, yeah.

[12:29] Yeah.

[12:30] Yeah.

[12:31] And sure enough, that night, Daredevil, fake Daredevil is stealing other stuff from the storefront.

[12:42] Yeah.

[12:43] Is that the name?

Elliott Kalan

[12:43] So it says the storefront legal services, which is Daredevil and Foggy's at that time.

[12:49] Oh.

[12:49] Their legal company.

[12:50] They had a storefront law office, you know, because they wanted to help people.

Dan McCoy

[12:53] So he's stealing legal files, I guess.

[12:56] It's hard to tell.

Elliott Kalan

[12:57] He's loving it.

[12:58] He's laughing.

[12:59] He's laughing.

[12:59] It's hard to tell from the sack what's in there.

[13:01] But he's clearly – the fact that he chose to steal something from right next to or in Daredevil, the actual Daredevil's office.

[13:09] Hell's Kitchen's pretty small.

[13:10] Yeah.

[13:10] It's pretty small.

[13:11] It's a bad stroke of luck for him.

[13:12] Again, if you want to steal millions, at the time, Hell's Kitchen was not the place to go.

[13:15] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[13:16] You got to watch the movie How to Steal a Million.

[13:18] Yeah.

[13:19] That'll tell you.

Elliott Kalan

[13:19] Yeah.

[13:20] That's real up to date.

[13:21] Yeah.

[13:21] Daredevil says –

[13:22] Yeah, you got to find that Brewster guy.

Dan McCoy

[13:25] Take his stuff.

[13:26] He'll help you steal millions because he wants to get rid of it.

[13:28] Yeah.

[13:30] There he is right on time.

[13:31] Thanks, Daredevil.

[13:32] All right, you phony.

[13:34] You've got the pies.

[13:35] Now I'm taking – okay.

[13:36] Okay.

[13:36] He was there stealing pies.

[13:39] Yeah.

[13:39] Oh, so he set a trap.

[13:40] That's what it is.

Elliott Kalan

[13:41] So he seems to be –

[13:42] So, okay, if I understand this correctly, I misunderstood that.

[13:44] Classic honeypot, guys.

[13:45] In panel three, Daredevil seems to be putting out boxes of fruit pies and then in panel four,

[13:49] the fake Daredevil's stealing them.

[13:51] If you put boxes of fruit pies on the street outside your office, it is no longer stealing.

[13:55] He put a sign that says not for stealing.

[13:58] But it is a trap to catch a thief.

[14:00] To catch him.

[14:01] That's true.

Dan McCoy

[14:01] Because that's true.

[14:02] He is the thief.

Stuart Wellington

[14:02] Chris Hansen's waiting around the corner.

Dan McCoy

[14:04] And in the last panel, Daredevil magnanimously says, but I'll let you finish that hostess

[14:11] cherry fruit pie before I do, before I take you in.

[14:16] And Ron Rainby, the man of 999 faces, has a look of mania.

Elliott Kalan

[14:24] He's taken the mask off as a way of acknowledging, you know what?

[14:27] I'm not the real Daredevil.

[14:28] I've been sunk.

[14:29] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[14:30] And he's enthusing real fruit filling, light tender crust.

[14:34] It may be curtains for me, but what a delicious exit.

[14:38] So, okay.

[14:40] Now, what do we think of the fidelity as a realism?

[14:43] Realism.

Elliott Kalan

[14:47] So, this is pre-Frank Miller Daredevil.

[14:49] Daredevil was pretty goofy at that time.

[14:51] So, I kind of, the storyline of someone pretending to be Daredevil in order to rob places, that's a very Marvel comic storyline.

[14:59] That's how Chameleon first came into the comics.

[15:01] He was pretending to be Spider-Man to steal things.

[15:03] There's, Bullseye has pretended to be Daredevil.

[15:05] Craven's pretending to be Spider-Man.

[15:07] Characters are always pretending to be the heroes.

[15:09] And so, the, so, I'm going to say, Red Skull at one point was in a cloned Captain America body, and I think he was wearing Captain America costume at one point.

[15:16] So, I will say that's good fidelity to certainly 70s Marvel, too, a hero dressing up as the bad guy in order to commit crimes.

[15:25] The other way around, but yeah.

[15:26] Once again, it's hard for me to believe that he loves fruit pies so much that he is going to show up in costume, in his felonious costume, to take those fruit pies and then stop to eat and then be like, you got me.

Stuart Wellington

[15:40] He's already got millions, but he doesn't have those main pies.

Elliott Kalan

[15:45] There's no way to get those pies with millions.

[15:47] There's just no way.

[15:48] And so, the fact that he doesn't try to run away and continue to take the fruit pies, but it just stops.

Stuart Wellington

[15:54] I mean, the taste of a pie that you steal is so much better than the taste of the pie you pay for.

Dan McCoy

[16:00] That's why all those hobos, you know, like float on the air when they smell a pie.

Elliott Kalan

[16:04] Yeah, and they don't float into stores and then give, you know, give a couple dollars.

[16:07] Yeah, they don't float over to an ATM.

Dan McCoy

[16:11] Well, I mean, these are unhoused people, but we're thinking of cartoon hobos.

[16:15] And also, it's pre-ATM time periods.

[16:17] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[16:19] These are cartoon hobos with a few top hats.

Stuart Wellington

[16:25] Yeah, it was back in the day where ATM just stood for ass to mouth, like Dan always tells me.

[16:30] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[16:30] That's what he says.

[16:31] He calls those the good old days.

[16:33] But you're right, Dan.

[16:34] We should make clear we're not talking about real life unhoused people who float along pie scent to where pies are.

[16:40] So I'm going to give this, again, a 10 for fidelity to the original comics.

[16:45] And I'm going to give it a, I think I'm going to give it a three.

[16:48] Okay, a little better.

[16:48] Because, again, he's a human foil.

Dan McCoy

[16:51] It does make a little more sense that this fellow would be distracted by a box of pies.

Stuart Wellington

[16:56] And, like, as an actor, maybe he doesn't have a lot of time.

[17:00] In his busy career, he hadn't had time to eat pies.

[17:03] Yeah.

[17:03] Now that he has access to them.

[17:04] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[17:05] He's been so worried about his physique that, you know, this is a real treat for him.

Elliott Kalan

[17:08] I mean, at the very most basic level, he needs sustenance.

[17:13] And he also can taste things.

[17:15] As opposed to the robot, Torgo, who neither of those things are true.

Dan McCoy

[17:18] We're assuming cannot, yeah.

[17:20] Yeah.

[17:20] Now, guys, you brought up Frank Miller before.

[17:23] This one in my research is purported to have been done by Frank Miller.

[17:31] It's the human torch in.

[17:33] The human torch.

[17:34] The human torch.

[17:35] This is in the Ice Master Cometh.

[17:40] Okay.

[17:40] So, uh.

Elliott Kalan

[17:41] That's a very Marvel title.

[17:42] They love to do puns on, uh, or plays on kind of, like, titles of things.

[17:47] Famous titles.

[17:48] But also, Cometh was a big thing for them.

[17:49] You know, it was always, you know.

[17:50] Or, lo, a something.

[17:52] You know, that was big.

[17:53] So, I'm getting points for that.

[17:54] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[17:55] Uh, a little, uh, a little box says, the city is in the middle of a deep freeze.

[18:00] Uh.

[18:01] And we see the human torch.

[18:02] What does he say?

[18:03] Yeah.

[18:03] He says, the Ice Master is living up to his threat to put us into a new ice age.

[18:09] And we see, uh, the Ice Master.

[18:12] He looks kind of like, uh.

[18:14] What's the Rankin-Bass character?

[18:16] Like a Jack Brostein?

[18:17] Mr. Freeze Master or whatever.

[18:20] Sure.

[18:21] I don't know.

[18:22] The Cold Miser or whatever.

[18:24] Anyway.

Elliott Kalan

[18:24] He looks like the Ice King in, uh.

[18:26] There's a, there's a Wizard of Oz comic where they, where they deal with an Ice King.

[18:30] And he looks like that.

[18:31] Yeah.

[18:32] And he says.

[18:32] One of Eric Shanower's Wizard of Oz comics.

[18:34] They're really good.

Dan McCoy

[18:35] Even you're not hot enough to melt my heart of ice, flame face.

[18:40] Interesting.

Elliott Kalan

[18:40] The Wizard of Oz comic is also about someone melting a heart of ice.

[18:43] Okay.

[18:43] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[18:44] It's funny that he says flame face specifically when the whole body is inflamed.

[18:49] Well, it's just meant as an insult.

[18:50] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[18:51] Spidey is often called the web head when his, again, he has webs over his arms as well and

[18:55] his feet.

[18:56] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[18:56] Mm-hmm.

[18:57] Uh, the Human Torch says he's right.

[18:58] His power is not just ice.

[19:00] It's life-stealing cold.

[19:02] And, uh, you know, he flies off.

[19:05] The Ice Master taunts him saying, leaving me cold, hot shot?

[19:11] And he says, getting me something that will warm you from the inside out, Ice Master.

[19:14] Hostess fruit pies, which he tosses.

[19:16] Oh, for me?

[19:17] I assume they're warm now.

[19:19] Yeah.

[19:19] A flaming hand has been holding them.

[19:21] Yeah.

[19:22] Uh, and, uh, again, a lot of, uh, waxing poetic about these pies.

[19:27] Uh, the Ice Master says, what crust?

[19:28] So light and tender.

[19:30] And I'm warming up to the real fruit filling.

[19:33] And, uh.

Stuart Wellington

[19:34] Guys, real quick.

[19:35] Yeah.

[19:35] Uh, was, was this during a period of time where people were really concerned that the crust

[19:39] wouldn't be light and tender enough?

Dan McCoy

[19:41] I guess so.

[19:42] I mean, that's always the concern with pies.

[19:44] You want it to be very light and tender.

Elliott Kalan

[19:46] And certainly a packaged pie with a shelf life.

[19:48] You know, you want it to be, you don't want it to be mushy, you know?

[19:50] Um, but, uh, you know.

[19:52] Sick and hard.

Dan McCoy

[19:53] You want it to see the human torch, uh, flying over the, the, the, the, no longer frozen city

[19:58] saying, things are warming up again now that the Ice Master has warmed up to the goodness

[20:02] of hostess fruit pies.

[20:04] Underwhelming.

[20:05] An underwhelming adjective.

[20:06] Yes.

[20:06] Just goodness.

[20:08] Um, well, I, I like how it implies that there's something helpful about them.

Stuart Wellington

[20:13] Um, which is not, not.

[20:15] I do like that the, the panel where the Ice Master is eating the, uh, the, the pies,

[20:21] it is, uh, he's like starting to melt.

[20:24] Yeah.

[20:25] Like.

[20:25] Yeah.

[20:25] In that eating the pies is killing him.

[20:28] Oh.

Elliott Kalan

[20:29] Now, so I'm going to, I'm going to say this is, this, in this one, the human torch is being

[20:34] a little generic.

[20:35] He doesn't feel like himself.

[20:36] I feel like I'm not getting a lot of human torch from him.

[20:39] He doesn't seem like Johnny Storm.

[20:41] The hothead.

[20:41] Yeah, exactly.

[20:42] Hothead.

[20:43] A kid, like, uh, the youngest member of the team, uh, the.

Dan McCoy

[20:46] But I assume this is very accurate to all the other times the Ice Master showed up.

[20:49] Oh, sure.

[20:50] Ice Master.

[20:51] Big deal.

Elliott Kalan

[20:52] Ice Master.

[20:53] Huge villain.

[20:54] You'll see him in the new movie.

[20:55] Yeah.

[20:55] I will say, if this is Frank Miller drawing it, I kind of believe it, if only because of

[20:59] the panel placement, there are some vertical panels in here.

[21:02] And that's something that, uh, Frank, and some very much wider than they are tall horizontal

[21:07] panels.

[21:08] And that's kind of stuff Frank Miller would be experimenting with quite a bit.

[21:12] Yeah.

[21:12] His Daredevil run.

[21:13] So I believe it.

[21:14] And the character, the character art, the drawings don't look too different from his

[21:18] earlier stuff.

[21:19] Um, but I'll say, yeah, this one is a little bit, but less, um, in fidelity to the characters,

[21:24] I'm going to give it more of a five.

[21:26] You know, they didn't give the Human Torch any powers he doesn't have or anything like

[21:28] that.

[21:29] Ice Master's a new addition to the rogues gallery.

[21:31] But in terms of winning over the bad guy, I'm going to give this an eight, you know, in terms

[21:36] of the Ice Master.

[21:37] I totally believe this guy has never had a fruit pie and it would, and it would blow his

[21:41] mind.

[21:41] Yeah.

[21:41] It would fucking rock his day.

Stuart Wellington

[21:43] Uh, okay.

[21:44] It does look like this was drawn by a guy with an affection for, uh, fedora hats.

Elliott Kalan

[21:52] And ninjas.

[21:53] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[21:53] And complicated political views.

Elliott Kalan

[21:55] Complicated?

[21:56] Uh.

Elliott Kalan

[21:56] Yeah, I guess you're right.

Dan McCoy

[21:57] Oh.

[21:58] If anything too simplistic.

[21:59] Yeah.

[22:00] Oh, look, uh, this next one has our old friend Iron Man.

[22:03] Oh, man.

[22:04] He is our old friend, isn't he?

[22:05] Yeah, we get way back.

Stuart Wellington

[22:05] The savior of the MCU here.

[22:07] Yeah, he says, steal Jesus, they call him.

[22:10] Iron Man versus the bank robbers.

[22:12] Oh, my new favorite villains.

[22:15] Yeah.

[22:15] I mean, they have dope ass outfits for having such a generic name.

[22:19] Yeah.

[22:20] Uh, we get the next.

Elliott Kalan

[22:22] But again, Iron Man's rogues gallery is pretty crappy.

[22:24] So I, I totally, I totally buy it.

[22:26] Yeah.

[22:26] When you're, when you're making your second Iron Man movie and your villain is Whiplash,

[22:30] then you know you're not dealing with the best rogues gallery, you know?

Dan McCoy

[22:33] We get kind of an unnecessary explanatory panel up, up at the top, just saying like, you know,

[22:39] uh, robbers are holding hostages at the bank.

[22:41] We can pretty much see that from the drawing.

[22:43] Uh.

[22:44] But meanwhile, outside, uh, Iron Man cleverly is saying, we need a diversion to give us time

[22:49] to get through the door before the bank robbers harm anybody.

[22:53] Uh, now they're demanding that food be sent in, says one of the SWAT, uh, cops.

[22:59] They'll get no food from us.

[23:00] That's the hard ass.

[23:02] Yeah.

[23:02] Uh, negotiator, I guess.

Elliott Kalan

[23:04] Now it's time for me to throw some tear gas at protesters for no reason.

[23:07] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[23:08] Uh, Iron Man says, wait, that may be our big break.

[23:12] Iron Man's always thinking, you know?

[23:14] That's classic Iron Man.

[23:16] Sure, yeah.

[23:16] Iron Man.

Stuart Wellington

[23:18] And wasn't he always drinking, too?

[23:19] Thinking and drinking.

[23:20] That's Iron Man.

[23:21] Not always.

Elliott Kalan

[23:21] Not always drinking.

[23:22] Often, but not always.

[23:23] Now, here's the thing.

[23:23] Iron Man, next panel, he says, send in these hostess fruit pies.

[23:27] I believe Iron Man eats fruit pies.

[23:29] It's one of the few foods that will fit through the mouth slit.

[23:33] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[23:33] They're slot-shaped.

[23:35] And, you know, something like Tony Stark, you know, he probably eats, uh, Soylent.

[23:40] You know, he just, he doesn't care about food.

[23:42] He just wants something, stuff in his face.

Elliott Kalan

[23:44] It's just sustenance.

[23:45] He's a tech guy.

[23:46] He thinks he's gonna, he's gonna evolve his body past physical needs.

[23:50] Yeah, sure.

[23:50] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[23:50] He's gonna be doing crimes of the future.

Dan McCoy

[23:53] He's, now, he's just eating plastic.

[23:54] Chomping down some plastic, yeah.

[23:56] This is interesting.

[23:57] This is a new wrinkle on the fruit pies thing.

[23:59] He says, I'll, I'll listen in on their conversation with my cyber helmet receiver.

[24:03] So, he's bugging the fruit pies.

[24:05] Oh, yeah.

[24:05] That's kind of, uh, a new wrinkle.

Elliott Kalan

[24:08] It'd make me less, less eager to eat a fruit pie, knowing that it might be helping Big Brother

[24:12] keep their tabs on me, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[24:13] I do love this next panel.

[24:16] Yeah.

[24:16] Well, why don't you describe it then, Stuart?

[24:17] Okay, so the bank robbers have received a cart filled with fruit pies.

[24:23] They are tossing their guns aside.

[24:25] They say, hey, hostess, fruit pies, give me that cherry one.

[24:28] I'll take that apple.

[24:29] They are.

[24:30] Yeah.

[24:30] The plan is working all too well.

Dan McCoy

[24:32] Just throwing their guns away at the mere sight of them.

Stuart Wellington

[24:35] And having heard the guns clatter upon the ground.

[24:38] Yeah.

[24:38] Iron Man bursts.

[24:39] With his cyber helmet receiver.

[24:40] I'm assuming through the wall.

[24:42] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[24:42] He says, now's the time for a little heavy handedness.

[24:45] And he's blasting these dudes while fruit pies scatter about.

[24:50] Yeah.

[24:51] And the bank robbers put their finger on their fatal claw.

[24:59] Yeah.

[24:59] They say, ooh, we never should have put down our weapons.

[25:02] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[25:02] Which is, truer words have never been spoken.

[25:05] Yeah.

[25:05] But another one says, but who could resist the real fruit filling and the light tender crust?

[25:10] Yeah.

[25:11] It's always the light tender crust.

[25:12] Each one says a different thing.

[25:14] Yeah.

[25:14] He would do in Louie style.

[25:16] Mm-hmm.

Stuart Wellington

[25:18] So, what do you guys?

[25:19] And then there's a little flag that says, you get a big delight in every bite of Hostess fruit pies.

[25:24] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[25:24] Now, again, I'm going to jump in here.

[25:26] I'm going to say, in terms of Iron Man characterization, I'm going to give it an eight.

[25:30] He is a tool.

[25:31] He's a total tool.

[25:32] He's a total, he's on the side of authority.

[25:35] He really, he's always going to be helping the man keep down these, the people who just want to rob a bank.

[25:42] Okay.

[25:43] I will say, they're bank robbers.

[25:44] They're not, they're not good guys.

[25:45] But he, I would totally see him working with the cops, whereas Spider-Man would stop these bank robbers.

[25:49] The cops would be like, hey, you stop.

[25:51] We got some questions for you.

[25:52] And he'd be like, sorry, more fruit pies.

[25:53] And he'd throw them to them.

[25:55] But I think, again, I think it is difficult to believe that they couldn't eat the fruit pies with one hand while holding their gun with the other hand.

[26:04] But anyone?

[26:05] You want one in each hand.

[26:06] Yeah.

[26:06] But if these guys, they can't even come up with a cool name for themselves other than the bank robbers.

[26:10] So I'll believe it's going to happen.

[26:12] So I'm going to give it an eights all around.

[26:13] Eight for character representation and eight for this plan would work in stopping these bank robbers.

[26:18] Yeah.

[26:19] I buy it.

[26:21] You buy a Hostess fruit pie?

Dan McCoy

[26:23] I mean, I have in my life.

[26:26] You truly have lived, haven't you, Dan?

[26:28] For decades.

Elliott Kalan

[26:31] It's more of like a-

[26:32] I've been known to buy a fruit pie in my time.

Stuart Wellington

[26:34] Yeah.

[26:35] Yeah.

[26:35] In high school.

[26:36] Anthony Bordine over here.

S4

[26:42] Hello, this is Alex.

S5

[26:44] Hello, this is Katie.

S4

[26:45] We host Secretly Incredibly Fascinating.

[26:47] And this week, we released our 250th episode.

S5

[26:50] 250.

[26:52] Dee, dee, dee.

S4

[26:55] Every episode stands on its own.

S5

[26:57] And every episode is about a seemingly ordinary topic.

S4

[27:00] We reveal the history and the science of stuff like salt and clouds and your computer mouse.

S5

[27:05] And episode 250 is about the word hello.

[27:08] Hello.

[27:09] You know that word.

[27:10] You're ready to go.

S4

[27:11] So let us say hello to you.

[27:12] Find Secretly Incredibly Fascinating at MaximumFun.org.

S6

[27:19] Hi, is this Brennan?

[27:20] This is Brennan.

[27:21] This is Ben Harrison.

[27:23] I'm the host of The Greatest Generation and Greatest Trek, along with my buddy Adam on Maximum Fun.

[27:28] I am calling because you, Brennan, have been named Maximum Fun's Member of the Month.

[27:35] Oh, my God.

S7

[27:36] I'm so honored to be the MaxFun Member of the Month.

S6

[27:39] As Member of the Month, you'll be getting a gift card to the MaxFun store, a special Member of the Month bumper sticker,

[27:46] and a special priority parking spot at the MaxFun headquarters in Los Angeles, California, just for you.

[27:53] That's a perk that I don't even get as a host of shows on the network.

S7

[27:57] This all sounds fantastic.

[27:59] I'm going to have to figure out a way to use that parking spot.

S6

[28:04] Brennan, you have to do it.

[28:05] Just to rub it in my face alone.

[28:08] Have a great day and live long and prosper.

[28:13] I don't know how to do this.

S7

[28:15] That works.

[28:15] I will do my best to live long and prosper.

S4

[28:18] Become a Maximum Fun Member now at MaximumFun.org.

[28:21] Let's join.

Dan McCoy

[28:23] We got another Daredevil comic here.

[28:26] Oh, okay.

[28:27] Our old friend Daredevil's back again for another bite of that pie.

[28:30] Daredevil versus Johnny Punk.

[28:32] Now, of course, we all remember Johnny Punk.

[28:34] Sure.

[28:35] Yeah.

[28:36] Classic Marvel villain.

[28:38] What do we got here?

[28:40] Johnny Punk is saying,

[28:43] in the next set, we raise the decibels to mega pitch.

[28:47] The high-frequency sound waves will lock their brains.

[28:50] They'll do whatever I command.

[28:51] Now, that's just science.

[28:52] Classic Punk.

[28:52] Johnny Punk.

Elliott Kalan

[28:53] I'll say this.

[28:54] That is science.

[28:55] It is punk.

[28:55] Johnny Punk.

[28:56] I love this character's design.

[28:57] He's got a classic punk mohawk.

[28:59] It's not a tall one, but it's kind of –

[29:01] it's like more of a Travis Bickle one,

[29:02] slightly taller than Travis Bickle.

[29:03] From the neck down, he dresses like American Flag.

[29:07] I think the character Ruben Flag from the American Flag comics.

[29:09] I love that outfit.

[29:10] Leather jacket.

[29:11] He's got a leather jacket, but also a necktie,

[29:14] which is an unusual –

[29:14] He's also got a tie.

[29:15] Dan, there are plenty of punks that wear ties.

Dan McCoy

[29:18] No, it's true.

[29:18] I guess it's the items together.

[29:20] It's playing on different ideas.

[29:22] Exactly.

[29:23] He looks cool.

Elliott Kalan

[29:23] He looks cool.

[29:24] And the name Johnny Punk, that's a cool name.

[29:26] That's super cool.

Dan McCoy

[29:28] Now, Daredevil is hanging from a building outside,

[29:30] and he says to no one in particular,

[29:33] my hypersensitive hearing picked up Johnny Punk's little plan,

[29:36] and it's not my idea of crowd control.

[29:39] Good one.

[29:40] He's just snarking to no one.

Stuart Wellington

[29:41] I do like the sign.

[29:43] You can see the marquee.

[29:45] It says, Tonight Johnny Punk.

[29:47] Yeah, so he's already a headliner,

Elliott Kalan

[29:48] unless he's a villain that announces where he's going to be.

[29:52] Very Batman.

[29:53] And Daredevil.

[29:54] Sorry, go on.

[29:55] I like this next panel.

[29:56] Daredevil goes in,

[29:56] and the sound guy who works for Johnny Punk goes,

[29:59] Hey, look who's horning in.

[30:00] That's a good joke.

[30:01] Daredevil has horns.

Dan McCoy

[30:02] Yeah.

[30:02] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[30:04] That's why he's a horn head.

Stuart Wellington

[30:05] And Johnny Punk says,

[30:07] Back off or I'll blow the roof off with sound.

[30:10] First off, using off twice, unnecessary.

[30:13] And then with sound, I like that.

[30:15] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[30:17] Daredevil again.

[30:18] He's thinking to himself.

[30:20] This is an internal monologue this time.

[30:22] My radar senses enough electric potential to do just that.

[30:26] Gotta think.

[30:27] He has to tell himself to think.

[30:29] How about hostess fruit pies before you turn on the juice?

[30:32] And Johnny Punk says,

[30:33] Sure.

[30:34] I sure dig the real fruit filling.

Elliott Kalan

[30:35] Now this is very not punk.

[30:37] To say you dig something?

[30:39] Come on.

[30:39] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[30:40] What is that?

[30:41] Daddy-o.

[30:41] Apple and Cherry, that's a dynamite duo.

[30:45] Johnny Punk has to give it up.

[30:46] He says,

[30:47] Sharp move, Daredevil.

[30:48] You've got us, but we've got the goodies.

[30:51] He really didn't seem committed to this plan.

Elliott Kalan

[30:54] No, well, he's saying they've kidnapped the British sketch group,

[30:56] The Goodies.

[30:57] They'll kill them if Daredevil doesn't let them go.

[30:59] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[31:00] And Daredevil says,

[31:01] Better a hostess fruit pie than the fruits of crime, Johnny Punk.

[31:04] And he swims away saying,

[31:05] And thanks to hostess,

[31:07] I don't have to listen to his music anymore.

[31:09] Wow.

[31:10] A real James Bond dissing the Beatles moment here.

Elliott Kalan

[31:13] I will say,

[31:14] I will say though,

[31:15] again,

[31:16] okay,

[31:16] there's a couple things in here that I think are very Daredevil and some are not.

[31:19] I don't buy Daredevil as a guy who listens to punk.

[31:21] I would believe that a guy who is a lawyer with a deeply Catholic kind of faith and sin and redemption background

[31:28] is probably not keyed into the punk lifestyle or necessarily the punk sound.

[31:34] But when he says,

[31:35] so I'll give him points for that.

[31:36] I don't think Daredevil would listen to punk.

[31:38] If he was like,

[31:38] now to sit back for this Johnny Punk show,

[31:39] I'd be like,

[31:40] no way,

[31:40] narc.

[31:41] You don't like this.

[31:41] But when he says,

[31:42] my radar senses enough,

[31:44] my radar senses enough electric potential to do just that.

[31:47] This is,

[31:48] I don't think that he can do that with his radar sense.

[31:50] That he can sense how much electricity is in there.

[31:53] It's really more of a second sight for him,

[31:55] you know.

[31:57] So,

[31:57] so for,

[31:58] I'm going to say it's a mixed bag for Daredevil in terms of characterization.

[32:02] But I feel like Johnny Punk is the character find of 1976.

Dan McCoy

[32:07] Yeah.

[32:09] Yeah.

[32:09] I could totally see,

Elliott Kalan

[32:10] and I could see he's a punk.

[32:12] He probably hasn't eaten that much lately.

[32:13] You know,

[32:13] he's going to go live in a squat after this.

[32:15] I think he would end,

[32:16] he would stop his crime for,

[32:17] for some fruit,

[32:18] from free food,

[32:19] you know.

Dan McCoy

[32:20] So good scores all around.

[32:21] Yeah.

[32:22] For this,

[32:23] other than maybe some deductions for the realism.

[32:27] Oh,

[32:28] the thing's back.

[32:29] Boy,

[32:29] the thing.

[32:30] The thing has returned.

[32:31] This one's called The Thing and Earthly Delights.

[32:35] Oh,

[32:35] weird.

[32:36] So there's sex in it.

[32:37] And,

[32:38] so,

[32:39] we're inside a New York deli.

[32:42] Sexiest place on earth.

[32:43] There's a UFO outside,

[32:45] aliens are coming in,

[32:46] and,

[32:47] uh,

[32:47] the deli,

[32:48] uh,

[32:48] owner or proprietor,

[32:50] or whatever,

[32:50] he says,

[32:51] I've seen everything,

[32:51] but never,

[32:52] net,

[32:53] net,

[32:53] and someone says,

[32:54] they're after us.

[32:55] And,

[32:56] uh,

[32:56] helpfully,

[32:57] the alien explains why they're here.

[32:59] He says,

[33:00] uh,

[33:00] our appetite for earthly delights will soon be satisfied.

[33:03] Prepare for uplift.

[33:05] But,

[33:05] uh,

[33:05] the thing crashes in saying,

[33:07] not so fast,

[33:08] bub.

[33:08] You're not taking anybody anywhere.

[33:10] And,

[33:11] I'm not sure what the thing is doing here.

[33:13] He seems to be,

[33:14] going to the deli.

Elliott Kalan

[33:15] He seems to be taking the energy ray that they shot the people with,

[33:19] and using it to tie up the,

[33:20] the aliens.

Dan McCoy

[33:22] Yeah,

[33:22] this,

[33:23] uh,

[33:23] this is confusing.

[33:24] Uh,

[33:25] but then the thing says,

[33:26] if it's earthly delights you want.

Elliott Kalan

[33:27] There's some real story problems with this ad for hostess fruit pies.

Dan McCoy

[33:31] Yeah,

[33:31] yeah,

[33:32] yeah.

[33:32] Early delights you want for your trip,

[33:34] take these hostess fruit pies.

[33:35] Cherry for you,

[33:37] apple for your friend.

[33:38] No,

[33:38] he's got them in a big box.

[33:40] Yeah,

[33:40] yeah.

[33:41] Well,

[33:41] he's boxed them into their tastes of fruit pies,

[33:44] for sure.

[33:45] You look,

[33:46] you look like a cherry man,

[33:47] he says.

[33:48] Uh,

[33:48] and their countenance has changed entirely.

[33:51] They are nothing but smiles.

[33:52] Yeah.

[33:53] Later after the thing is untied the space invaders,

[33:55] and,

[33:56] uh,

[33:56] they're,

[33:57] they're again,

[33:58] quelling over these,

[33:59] uh,

[34:00] pies.

[34:00] Oh,

[34:01] very nice,

[34:01] Dan.

[34:02] Wow,

[34:02] yeah.

[34:03] Thank you.

[34:04] Nice to get us there.

Stuart Wellington

[34:05] In honor of Ben Grimm there.

[34:06] Yeah,

[34:06] yeah,

[34:07] and the deli,

Dan McCoy

[34:07] yeah.

[34:08] Taste the light,

[34:09] tender crust,

[34:10] and the real fruit filling.

[34:11] This must be what earthlings call delicious.

Stuart Wellington

[34:14] Yeah,

[34:14] it's a real mitzvah,

[34:15] right?

[34:16] And they,

[34:16] yep.

Dan McCoy

[34:18] Yeah,

[34:18] and they zip off in their ship.

[34:19] Yeah,

[34:20] thing has knocked us over the whole thing.

[34:21] Yeah,

[34:21] yeah.

[34:22] And the deli owner says,

[34:23] I always thought hostess fruit pies were out of this world.

[34:26] Now they are.

[34:28] So,

[34:29] uh,

[34:29] yeah,

[34:30] again,

[34:30] um,

[34:31] so they were,

[34:32] are these scrolls,

[34:33] Elliot?

Elliott Kalan

[34:34] These are,

[34:34] these are not scrolls.

[34:36] They,

[34:36] they seem like kind of generic aliens.

[34:38] They've got a little bit like,

[34:39] they've got pointy ears and kind of bald pointy heads.

[34:41] So they look a little like scrolls.

[34:42] They look a little like the impossible man who was,

[34:45] is a fantastic four character.

[34:46] He's the,

[34:46] from the planet pop up.

[34:48] Um,

[34:48] but yeah,

[34:49] they,

[34:49] they're pretty,

[34:50] I feel like thing is getting the short end when it comes to the bad guys.

[34:53] He's dealing with these.

[34:54] So they were,

[34:55] uh,

Stuart Wellington

[34:55] they were totally going to have sex with these two guys,

[34:58] right?

Elliott Kalan

[34:59] They just say our appetite for earthly delights as they take,

[35:02] a man in a,

[35:03] in a suit and fedora and,

[35:05] and a,

[35:05] or maybe it's a pork pie hat and,

[35:07] and the proprietor of a deli.

[35:08] So I don't know if they're going to have sex with them,

[35:09] if they're going to eat them both.

Dan McCoy

[35:11] You make a good point.

[35:13] That does seem to be.

Elliott Kalan

[35:14] But whatever,

[35:14] whatever unearthly,

[35:16] unholy appetite was about to be sated,

[35:18] uh,

[35:19] thing has,

[35:19] has done that with fruit pies.

[35:21] So,

[35:22] yeah.

[35:22] So I'm going to give this one low,

[35:24] low marks all around.

[35:26] Low marks on realism.

[35:28] Yeah.

[35:28] I think,

[35:28] I mean,

[35:29] thing does say your,

[35:30] Y E R instead of your,

[35:31] uh,

[35:32] so that's kind of like him,

[35:33] but he just kind of comes out of nowhere.

[35:35] Uh,

[35:35] the plot,

[35:36] I don't see why the aliens.

[35:38] Also,

Stuart Wellington

[35:38] how is he tying them up with laser?

Elliott Kalan

[35:41] Yeah.

[35:41] How does it,

[35:41] he's,

[35:42] he's super strong,

[35:43] but he's not so strong that he can bend a laser with his fist.

[35:46] So,

[35:47] yeah,

[35:47] this is,

[35:48] this is pretty low marks.

[35:49] I'm going to give it a two for,

[35:50] is this plan going to work?

[35:52] Is the thing as strong as the Hulk?

[35:55] The thing is not as strong as the Hulk.

[35:57] And this is one of the enduring,

[35:58] wonderful things about the thing is that he is not the strongest there is.

[36:02] He is very strong,

[36:03] but he's not the strongest there is,

[36:04] but he never gives up.

[36:05] So there've been a number of stories where he fights the Hulk.

[36:07] He pretty much always loses,

[36:08] but the whole point of those stories is he can't,

[36:10] he can't really be defeated because he's never going to give up.

[36:13] And there's a great story,

[36:14] a one issue story where this character,

[36:15] the champion,

[36:16] comes down to earth and he,

[36:17] he tests,

[36:18] he challenges all the,

[36:20] the,

[36:20] all the strong guys to a fight.

[36:22] And thing is the last one.

[36:23] And thing goes like 90 rounds with this guy until he's almost on death's door.

[36:27] And thing says,

[36:28] you can keep,

[36:29] you can kill me,

[36:30] but I'm too stupid and I'm too ugly to give up.

[36:32] I'm still going to keep fighting you.

[36:33] And the champion is like,

[36:35] I won,

[36:35] but I've so much respect for you that I'm going to spare your planet.

[36:38] You know,

[36:38] like the,

[36:39] what you showed me today.

[36:40] So that's,

[36:41] the thing is not as strong as the Hulk,

[36:42] but he's got more heart,

[36:43] you know?

[36:44] So that's the thing's real superpower is heart.

Dan McCoy

[36:46] Uh,

[36:47] I think we're closing in on the end.

[36:49] I've lost,

[36:49] I've lost track on how many we've done and I accidentally closed the window that shows how many.

[36:53] Oh yeah.

[36:54] Okay.

[36:55] But,

[36:55] uh,

[36:56] this one for the first time we're seeing our old friend Cap,

[36:58] Captain America in Fury Unleashed because Nick Fury is also here.

[37:03] Uh,

Elliott Kalan

[37:03] although ironically Fury is not unleashed in it.

[37:05] He's in danger and Cap has to save him.

[37:07] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[37:08] Cap busts in through the metal door.

[37:10] He punches it open.

[37:11] He says,

[37:11] the trapsters at it again.

[37:13] One trap leads to another.

[37:14] Now this.

[37:15] Elliot's got,

[37:16] Elliot's bouncing his seat.

[37:17] He's got the trapster.

Elliott Kalan

[37:18] Already,

[37:19] I've got an issue with it.

[37:20] I mean,

[37:20] the trapster is a,

[37:21] is a villain,

[37:22] but he really just uses a glue gun to get,

[37:24] it's not like he,

[37:24] he comes up with different traps.

[37:26] The trapster,

[37:26] as you know,

[37:26] used to be Paste Pot Pete.

[37:28] And,

Elliott Kalan

[37:28] uh,

[37:29] and he had his,

[37:30] has his,

[37:30] he had like magic glue that was super strong.

[37:33] And eventually he had changed it to a glue gun.

[37:36] And one of the fun things about him in the comics is he'll show up and say,

[37:38] the trapster's here.

[37:39] And they'll go,

Dan McCoy

[37:39] oh,

[37:39] hey,

[37:39] Paste Pot Pete.

[37:40] And he's like,

[37:40] that's not my name anymore.

Elliott Kalan

[37:42] It's always very fun.

[37:43] Is,

[37:43] uh,

[37:44] he just sets up different traps.

Stuart Wellington

[37:45] How does the trapster feel about the fact that Spider-Man invented like web fluid and shit?

[37:50] That's like basically his whole deal,

[37:52] but he's also a Spider-Man and a kid.

Elliott Kalan

[37:54] I,

[37:55] there's,

[37:55] I don't know that he,

[37:56] well,

[37:56] I don't think he knows that Spider-Man invented that when he was a kid.

[37:59] Uh,

[37:59] but also,

[38:00] but I,

[38:00] you know,

[38:01] there's different,

[38:02] you know,

[38:02] there's Oreos and there are Hydrox.

[38:03] You can have them both,

[38:04] you know,

[38:05] one's more popular,

[38:05] but it doesn't mean Hydrox is not around unless they've went out of business.

[38:08] And I don't know about it,

[38:08] you know?

[38:09] Uh,

Dan McCoy

[38:10] well,

[38:10] anyway,

[38:10] here,

[38:11] uh,

[38:12] Fury explains the deal,

[38:13] even though we can see it,

[38:14] uh,

[38:15] in the,

[38:16] in the drawing.

[38:17] Fury says,

[38:17] better not come any closer,

[38:19] Cap.

[38:19] The trapster's goon has to be by the neck.

[38:22] Okay,

[38:22] I'm going to stop you right there.

Stuart Wellington

[38:23] I also will point out that I,

[38:24] I love the,

[38:25] the classic,

[38:26] uh,

[38:27] buccaneer boot design of Captain America.

[38:30] I wish,

[38:31] uh,

[38:31] I wish Chris Evans had buccaneer boots.

Elliott Kalan

[38:33] The things that I wish they would do in the,

[38:34] in the movies,

[38:35] I wish he had buccaneer boots.

[38:36] I wish he had the wings actually sticking out of his head.

[38:39] Uh,

[38:39] you know,

[38:39] it's just not just,

[38:40] I like at least that they're painted on,

[38:41] you know,

[38:42] he's got those gloves that have a little bit of extra opening,

[38:45] like a little,

[38:45] they're a little loose,

[38:46] you know,

[38:46] it's just very flowy.

[38:47] I love it.

[38:48] So this goon,

[38:50] here's,

[38:50] I got two issues with this.

[38:51] Let me just talk about it.

[38:52] Okay,

[38:52] Dan,

[38:52] let me,

[38:53] can I finish,

[38:54] can I finish Dan before you continue on with this?

[38:56] Uh,

[38:57] is that the idea that trapster has goons,

[39:00] trapster is a,

[39:01] is a B or C lister.

[39:04] He,

[39:04] he's not hiring goons.

[39:05] He's working for somebody else.

[39:06] He's probably working for the wingless wizard or something like that,

[39:09] you know,

[39:09] um,

[39:10] as part of the,

[39:10] the,

[39:11] um,

[39:11] frightful for,

[39:12] but this goon,

[39:14] he also looks so much like Nick Fury's villain,

[39:17] Baron von Strucker.

[39:18] All he's missing is an eye patch.

[39:20] And I was like,

[39:20] at first glance,

[39:21] I thought this was Baron von Strucker.

[39:23] And I was like,

[39:23] von Strucker is working for the trapster.

[39:25] That doesn't make any sense.

[39:26] It shouldn't be the other way around.

[39:27] No,

[39:28] it's a guy who looks like him.

[39:29] Fury probably made the same mistake when he saw him,

[39:32] you know?

[39:32] Um,

[39:33] but it's just the idea that the trapster is kind of hiring people to do things.

[39:35] Maybe in the seventies,

[39:36] he was doing a little better.

[39:37] Maybe he was riding high and he had the money to do that.

[39:39] But usually the trapster is the guy who's like,

[39:42] you know,

[39:42] working for somebody else,

[39:43] you know?

Dan McCoy

[39:43] Well,

[39:44] I mean,

[39:44] Elliot in this,

[39:45] in this version,

[39:46] he's,

[39:46] he's riding so high that he can afford to not be in the middle of the action.

[39:51] He is watching on a monitor from a different room.

[39:55] Uh,

[39:55] he,

[39:56] he,

[39:56] he chuckles to himself.

[39:57] Ha,

[39:58] we'll see how Captain America solves this dilemma.

[40:00] I mean,

[40:01] it's not really much of a,

[40:02] like dilemma or a trap.

[40:04] He just like,

[40:05] the goon has Nick Fury by the neck.

[40:07] But anyway,

[40:08] uh,

[40:09] Cap says,

[40:12] my strength and my shield won't solve this mess,

[40:13] but strategy.

Elliott Kalan

[40:14] I don't know why the strength and the shield wouldn't solve this mess.

[40:17] All he has to do is beat up the guy who's choking Nick Fury.

[40:20] Guys,

Stuart Wellington

[40:20] the,

[40:20] the thing is,

[40:21] is his fucking shield immediately is involved in his plan.

[40:25] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[40:26] He says,

[40:27] okay,

[40:27] you big overgrown Goliath.

[40:28] I can't bet,

[40:29] I bet you can't wait to get your hands on these hostess fruit pies.

[40:31] And he throws the shield like a serving platter with pies on it.

[40:36] I,

[40:36] you know,

[40:36] I would think that that would mess up sort of the aerodynamics of it.

[40:39] Do you tape them to the fucking shield?

[40:41] They would shoot off with centrifugal force.

Elliott Kalan

[40:44] Maybe he found the trapster's adhesive and his super adhesive and he attached them that way.

[40:48] Maybe.

Dan McCoy

[40:49] Um,

[40:50] and,

[40:50] but this,

[40:51] the goon is again,

[40:52] he's,

[40:52] he's loving it.

[40:53] What is Fury compared to this great taste?

[40:56] Real fruit filling,

[40:56] light,

[40:57] tender crust.

[40:58] And,

[40:59] uh,

[40:59] Fury compliments,

[41:00] uh,

[41:01] Cap as they run away.

[41:03] Hostess fruit pies.

[41:04] That was using your brain's cap.

[41:06] And,

[41:06] uh,

[41:07] trapster curses fate.

[41:09] He says,

[41:10] hostess fruit pies,

[41:11] curses.

[41:12] Captain America is as smart as he is strong.

[41:15] So,

[41:15] uh,

[41:16] yeah.

[41:16] Yeah,

[41:16] I get her.

[41:17] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[41:18] I guess sometimes he uses other traps too.

[41:23] This one,

[41:23] I feel like this is a,

[41:24] the idea that,

[41:25] um,

[41:26] that Nick Fury couldn't deal with this goon,

[41:28] I think is a little out of the ordinary.

[41:29] I think,

[41:30] uh,

[41:30] this one,

[41:31] uh,

[41:31] I do like that Captain America has a smile on his face in panel four.

[41:35] That's something I miss.

[41:36] The character used to smile a lot and now he very rarely does.

[41:39] He's always kind of gritting his teeth in,

[41:40] in anger.

[41:41] Um,

[41:42] uh,

[41:42] but yeah,

[41:43] this seems like,

[41:43] uh,

[41:44] the fact that they just run away and trapsters like curses foiled when he's still on the loose and they're still in his hideout.

[41:51] Um,

[41:52] yeah,

[41:52] I think there's some real issues with this one.

[41:53] Not as many issues as with the thing alien story.

[41:56] Uh,

[41:56] but still this one,

[41:57] this one fails to pass the smell test for me.

Dan McCoy

[42:00] So,

[42:01] what,

Elliott Kalan

[42:01] a five would you say?

[42:03] Yeah,

[42:03] I think a five for all around.

[42:05] Yeah.

[42:06] Okay.

[42:06] Well,

[42:06] I'll say a five,

[42:07] five for characterization,

[42:09] maybe a seven for whether the fruit pie plan would work.

[42:13] Yeah,

[42:13] he's a goon.

[42:14] He doesn't seem to eat a lot probably.

[42:15] Yeah,

[42:15] he doesn't seem committed to.

[42:16] Not delicious.

[42:17] And this is just a job.

[42:19] If you're a goon working for trapster,

[42:21] why not?

[42:21] Stop for a fruit pie?

[42:22] Like,

[42:22] come on,

[42:23] what,

[42:23] this is not,

[42:24] you're not,

[42:24] this isn't a great job,

Dan McCoy

[42:25] you know?

[42:25] Okay,

[42:25] here's the,

[42:26] this is the final one.

[42:27] I remember this one being an oddball adventure.

[42:31] It's called,

[42:31] uh,

[42:31] The Incredible Hulk and the Green Thumb.

[42:34] And there's,

[42:34] uh,

[42:34] there's a lot to take in here.

[42:36] I'm going to move the,

[42:37] the,

[42:38] the picture a little closer because there's so much stuff going on here.

Elliott Kalan

[42:42] And this art style looks really familiar,

[42:44] but I can't put my finger on who it looks like.

[42:47] Um,

[42:47] I don't know why this went down.

Stuart Wellington

[42:49] Uh,

[42:50] is it Charles Burns?

Dan McCoy

[42:51] Yeah,

[42:52] it's probably Charles Burns.

[42:53] It's probably Charles Burns.

[42:54] Yeah.

[42:54] So,

[42:55] there's an,

[42:56] there's an explanatory note up top.

[42:59] It says,

[42:59] the Hulk has been befriended by cousin Betsy,

[43:02] the plant lady.

[43:03] And,

[43:04] uh,

[43:04] also the,

[43:05] the sign on the window for her shop identifies her too as cousin Betsy,

[43:11] the plant lady.

[43:11] It's odd.

[43:12] It's,

[43:13] you can see it correctly,

[43:15] uh,

[43:16] inside,

[43:16] uh,

[43:17] the,

[43:18] the shop.

[43:18] It's not backwards.

[43:19] Are they inside?

[43:20] They might be,

Elliott Kalan

[43:20] they might be,

[43:21] they might be outside and she's got a lot of plants on the outside.

[43:23] A lot of,

[43:23] a lot of,

[43:24] a lot of,

[43:24] a lot of plants on the sidewalk.

[43:27] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[43:27] Yeah.

[43:28] Um,

[43:28] anyway,

[43:29] she says,

[43:30] now my dear green thing,

[43:31] or I,

[43:32] I'm only too happy to take you in,

[43:33] uh,

[43:34] sorry,

[43:34] take you in with all my other,

[43:36] er,

[43:36] all my vegetables and plants.

[43:39] And Hulk is dazed as he often is.

[43:42] Hulk says,

[43:43] Hulk,

[43:43] no,

[43:43] remember how he got here,

[43:45] but Hulk happy.

[43:46] Finally find place where Hulk can find peace and nice,

[43:49] cool shade plant to sit under.

[43:51] Oh,

[43:51] he's just like Joe.

[43:52] Nobody ever tried that.

[43:53] Yeah.

[43:53] And,

[43:54] uh,

[43:54] Betsy explains to,

[43:56] uh,

[43:56] these sort of plant creatures.

[43:57] Joe from Lawnmower Man?

[43:59] Yeah,

[43:59] that one.

[44:00] Yeah.

[44:01] She explains these plant creatures she has all around her.

[44:03] Oh,

[44:04] my beautiful plants,

[44:05] my own little gang.

[44:07] What fine specimens you are.

[44:08] Rhoda,

[44:09] Mary,

[44:10] Artie.

[44:11] I want you to meet the Hulk.

[44:12] That Jade Giant is going to join us.

Elliott Kalan

[44:14] So Artie is clearly an artichoke.

[44:16] Rhoda is probably a rhododendron.

[44:18] Marigold.

[44:19] This is good stuff.

Dan McCoy

[44:20] This is good.

[44:20] Yeah,

[44:20] it's good.

[44:21] That Jade Giant is going to join us in our next robbery of diamonds.

[44:24] Can't say diamond robbery.

[44:26] And other precious things.

[44:28] What a specimen.

[44:28] And so green.

[44:31] And,

[44:32] uh,

[44:32] Hulk,

[44:33] immediately rejects this.

[44:34] Hulk no join strange plants.

[44:36] Hulk no like people or plants.

[44:38] Hulk want to be alone.

Elliott Kalan

[44:39] Now it's funny.

[44:39] He clearly liked that nice,

[44:41] cool shade plant earlier.

[44:42] Yeah,

[44:43] yeah.

[44:43] And now he doesn't like plants.

Dan McCoy

[44:44] I mean,

[44:45] there's one thing I know about Hulk.

[44:47] He does like to be alone.

[44:48] So.

Dan McCoy

[44:48] Yeah,

[44:49] that's true.

[44:49] He also.

Elliott Kalan

[44:50] Hulk's famous,

[44:51] Hulk's famous slogan.

[44:52] Hulk want to be alone.

[44:54] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[44:54] I do remember that first,

[44:56] uh,

[44:56] issue of the Avengers where Hulk is dressed up as a,

[45:00] what,

[45:00] a clown robot or something.

Elliott Kalan

[45:02] He is a,

[45:02] they're pretend,

[45:03] the circus is pretending that he is a robot strong clown.

[45:07] Yes.

[45:08] Very odd.

[45:09] Um,

[45:10] this was in the first issue of the Avengers,

[45:11] the basis for the hit film.

[45:13] He,

[45:14] that would have been great.

[45:15] He was juggling elephants.

Dan McCoy

[45:16] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[45:17] I want to see that in a movie so badly.

[45:18] So he's a clown and a robot.

[45:20] That's how he's so strong.

Dan McCoy

[45:22] Uh,

[45:23] cause he's clearly the Hulk.

[45:24] Betsy says,

[45:25] I warn you green gargantua,

[45:26] join us or else the Arty choke chokes.

[45:30] Go get him,

[45:31] Arty.

[45:32] And,

[45:32] uh,

[45:33] Hulk,

[45:33] Hulk doesn't like this.

[45:35] She continues.

Elliott Kalan

[45:36] See green Goliath.

[45:37] When I talk to my plants,

[45:38] they listen.

[45:38] So I like this.

[45:39] There's a lot of text.

[45:40] Yeah,

Dan McCoy

[45:40] a lot of text.

[45:42] Hulk always wind up saying,

[45:43] double crossed first by puny humans,

[45:45] now by puny plant.

[45:47] Now Hulk mad.

[45:48] Oh,

[45:48] you don't want to get it.

[45:49] You don't like him when he's angry.

[45:51] And he gets stronger.

[45:51] Yeah.

[45:52] Uh,

[45:52] now this is very strange.

[45:54] Hulk is not supplying the hostess fruit pies in this one.

[45:58] Hulk turns artichoke upside down and shakes her.

[46:03] And,

[46:03] uh,

[46:04] you know,

[46:05] diamonds and fruit pies fall out of,

[46:07] I guess,

[46:07] between the leaves of her artichoke.

[46:09] That was originally the title of the Prince song,

[46:11] by the way,

[46:12] diamonds and fruit pies.

[46:13] And,

[46:14] uh,

[46:15] Mary says,

[46:16] forget the diamonds,

[46:17] save the delicious hostess fruit pies.

[46:19] And Artie says,

[46:20] with the real fruit filling and the light tender crust.

[46:22] Yeah,

[46:23] we get it.

[46:23] Oh,

[46:24] the apple cherry lemon.

[46:25] Yeah.

[46:26] She's,

[46:26] she stored these fruit pies in,

[46:28] in her head.

[46:29] Uh,

[46:30] and then they're being led away by cops.

[46:32] A criminal gang of plants that love juicy hostess fruit pies.

[46:35] What next?

[46:35] He has no shit.

[46:38] And,

[46:38] in the distance,

[46:39] we see Hulk jumping away as he does saying,

[46:42] next Hulk,

[46:42] go find peace in city,

[46:44] far away from green things.

[46:46] So,

[46:46] you never get too far away from green things.

[46:48] Yeah.

[46:48] I think this is the best of the bunch.

[46:49] This is an oddball.

Elliott Kalan

[46:50] This is by far the best of them.

[46:53] It,

[46:53] it,

Dan McCoy

[46:54] we have got the other ones.

Elliott Kalan

[46:55] They're like,

[46:55] yeah,

[46:56] you know what?

[46:56] This is a,

[46:57] this is a pretty basic superhero story,

[46:59] pretty basic Marvel story.

[47:00] There's a bad guy.

[47:01] The superhero is going to stop him.

[47:03] He stops him with fruit pies.

[47:04] This one,

[47:05] this main character is so perverse.

[47:07] And the way we find the information about her is so strange that she's like,

[47:10] join me,

[47:11] Hulk,

[47:11] join me with my other plants.

[47:12] And then so casually in the second one,

[47:14] by the way,

[47:14] we also robbed diamonds.

[47:16] Like,

[47:16] okay,

[47:17] I guess so.

[47:18] That she says it right in front of Hulk and he gets mad that the fruit pies are already hidden.

[47:23] They've also,

[47:23] also been stealing fruit pies,

[47:25] I guess,

[47:25] or she just buys them and stores them in the artichoke.

[47:28] And that's what they want to save.

[47:29] And then by the end,

[47:30] it's not even like he stops.

[47:31] I don't know how the police get there.

[47:33] I don't know how they know.

[47:34] I guess they're just called because someone says the Hulk is fighting a plant monster.

[47:37] Go deal with this.

[47:38] And the Hulk could not care less that they have been stopped with fruit pies.

[47:42] He's,

[47:42] yeah,

[47:42] he's not offering them with anybody.

[47:44] He's,

[47:44] he's oblivious.

[47:45] He's got places to go.

Stuart Wellington

[47:46] Yeah.

[47:46] And it feels like,

[47:47] he,

[47:48] he and the fruit pies never interact.

Elliott Kalan

[47:51] And the straightforward version of this would be,

[47:54] Bruce Banner is getting mad and he starts to turn into the Hulk.

[47:57] Another hero gives him a fruit pie.

[47:59] It calms him down because he likes it so much.

[48:01] And he turns back into Bruce Banner and he still likes the fruit pie.

[48:04] That's the straightforward version.

[48:05] Anyone could tell that story,

[48:06] but some genius stepped in and said,

[48:08] no,

[48:08] I want to try something different.

[48:09] I want to challenge the basic narrative and I want to do it in a way that leaves the reader with more questions than answers.

[48:16] The only answer,

[48:16] and maybe that answer they'll find will be inside a fruit pie,

[48:19] but I don't know.

[48:19] They're just going to have to look.

Stuart Wellington

[48:20] Yeah.

[48:21] And I feel like they also wanted to soft launch their cousin Betty and plant robbers gang.

[48:28] Yeah.

[48:29] Yeah.

[48:29] Maybe they're ready for the big time.

[48:32] Look out,

[48:32] Sinister Six.

Elliott Kalan

[48:33] Yeah.

[48:34] They feel like such,

[48:35] they feel like DC villains too.

[48:37] So it's almost like Hulk like jumped into a DC comic in the,

[48:40] from the silver age.

[48:42] Understandably mad.

Dan McCoy

[48:43] Yeah.

[48:43] I love it.

[48:44] This is a Shazam gang.

[48:46] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[48:46] And you mentioned that the song that came to my mind,

[48:50] Stuart was of course,

[48:51] uh,

[48:51] diamonds and fruit pies by Joan Baez,

[48:53] uh,

[48:53] later covered by Judas priest.

[48:54] What a,

[48:55] you know,

[48:55] what a,

[48:56] what a song.

[48:56] We both know what memories can bring.

[48:58] They bring diamonds and fruit pies.

[49:00] And so,

[49:00] yeah,

[49:01] I'm going to give this one 10 for the Hulk.

[49:02] He does not want to be a part of anything.

[49:04] He loves sitting under nice,

[49:05] cool shade plants.

[49:06] And then he,

[49:07] he jumps away,

[49:08] does not care about fruit pies.

[49:10] And I'm going to give it,

[49:11] uh,

[49:11] yeah,

[49:11] of course this plan works.

[49:12] It's not even a plan.

[49:13] Well,

[49:13] that's the thing.

[49:14] I gotta get this.

[49:15] Cause that's life,

[49:16] Dan,

[49:16] when you make plans and things just happen.

Dan McCoy

[49:18] Yeah.

[49:19] For,

[49:19] when you make plans,

[49:20] like this is,

[49:21] this is not sell fruit pies as a,

[49:23] as a,

[49:23] as a crime fighting tool.

[49:25] That's what I love about it.

Elliott Kalan

[49:26] It is an ad for fruit pies,

[49:27] which the fruit pies are almost negligible.

[49:30] Almost not even part of the process.

[49:32] Cause it's not even,

[49:33] in the other ones,

[49:33] it's kind of assumed the only way I can solve this problem is with fruit pies.

[49:37] Here,

[49:38] the fruit pies,

[49:39] they're just a side element to Hulk beating the crap out of this plant and then jumping away.

[49:43] It's,

Dan McCoy

[49:43] yeah.

[49:43] This one admits that there are some problems that,

[49:45] can't be solved with fruit pies.

Elliott Kalan

[49:47] And I appreciate that.

[49:48] I appreciate the honesty of that,

[49:50] that not all problems are fruit pie problems.

[49:52] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[49:52] Cause I'm sure there's a version of this story where they're like,

[49:55] okay,

[49:55] so Hulk is fighting these plants and he has to give them fruit pies to stop fighting him.

[50:00] And they're like,

[50:01] but Hulk wouldn't give a shit.

[50:03] Well,

[50:03] so plants wouldn't want to eat fruit pies,

Dan McCoy

[50:05] right?

[50:05] They're like,

[50:06] that's,

[50:06] I mean,

[50:07] that fruits are plants.

Elliott Kalan

[50:08] That one plant says,

[50:09] save the delicious hostess fruit pie.

[50:11] And Artie Choke says,

[50:11] with the real fruit filling in the light tender crust.

[50:13] Yeah.

[50:14] He's so obsessed with it.

Stuart Wellington

[50:17] He's saying this out loud while he's being held upside down.

[50:20] Yeah.

[50:21] Yeah.

[50:22] Well,

[50:22] it's a,

Elliott Kalan

[50:23] yeah,

[50:23] it's a,

[50:24] this is,

[50:25] here's the thing.

[50:26] Sometimes someone takes kind of like a junk art form and makes art.

[50:30] What's been called termite art,

[50:32] you know?

[50:32] And in this case,

[50:33] we've seen a lot of craft go into the other ones.

[50:35] I think there's less craft in this one,

[50:37] but there's more art.

[50:38] If you understand what I'm saying.

[50:39] Yeah,

Dan McCoy

[50:39] well,

[50:41] thank you for joining me for the most educational mini we've ever done.

Elliott Kalan

[50:47] I'm just glad we've done two minis in a row now telling people about the Marvel universe,

[50:51] you know,

[50:52] which is,

[50:52] that's great.

[50:53] I don't mind it.

Dan McCoy

[50:54] Equally important corners of the universe.

[50:56] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[50:57] Well,

[50:57] when that Hulk and the green thumb movie comes out,

[51:00] people will know what it's all about.

Dan McCoy

[51:01] We will be ready.

[51:02] Thank you for listening.

[51:04] Thank you to Maximum Fun.

[51:07] Go to MaximumFun.org.

[51:08] Check out all the other great podcasts on Max Fun.

[51:13] Membership of listeners like you in Max Fun is what keeps us going.

[51:18] Thank you to Alex Smith.

[51:20] He goes by Howl Dottie on the internet.

[51:22] You can check out his music,

[51:24] his Twitch streams.

[51:24] He's got a podcast that I've been enjoying very much.

[51:29] It's a very strange concept.

[51:31] It's just a man and his giant possum friend talking about stuff.

[51:36] It's funny.

[51:37] Check that out too.

[51:38] What's the name of it?

[51:40] It's,

[51:40] I believe it's called the Big Howl and Possum Podcast.

[51:44] But for the Flophouse,

[51:46] I've been Dan McCoy.

[51:47] I've been Stuart Willington.

[51:49] And I've been Elliot Kalin.

Elliott Kalan

[51:50] Not enjoying these delicious hostess fruit pies,

[51:53] but it really makes me wish I could.

Stuart Wellington

[51:55] Wait,

[51:55] with the real fruit filling and the light tender crust?

[51:58] You know it.

[52:04] Maximum Fun.

[52:05] Maximum Fun.

[52:05] A worker-owned network.

S7

[52:07] Of artist-owned shows.

[52:08] Supported.

[52:09] Directly.

[52:10] By you.

FH Mini 131 - Hostesses with the Mostesses

Transcript

In this episode

Description