Ep.#456 - Captain America: Brave New World

Dan McCoy

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Captain America, Brave New World.

[0:04] Screenplay by Aldous Huxley.

[0:30] Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse.

[0:32] I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:33] Oh, hey, Dan McCoy.

[0:34] It's me, Stuart Wellington.

[0:36] Hey, Dan and Stuart, it's Elliot Kalin.

[0:39] Who's got the smoothest radio voice?

Stuart Wellington

[0:42] Oh, I don't know.

[0:43] You're in trouble, Elliot.

Dan McCoy

[0:44] I didn't know we were doing this.

Stuart Wellington

[0:46] Yeah, Dan's going to beat.

[0:47] That's right.

[0:47] Yeah, I mean, I think it's a race to the bottom for me and Dan,

[0:50] bottom being the deepest voice.

[0:52] Elliot, there's no way you can compete.

Elliott Kalan

[0:54] I don't know about that.

Stuart Wellington

[0:57] We got a real bridge troll just wandered in.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03] Which one of you billy goats is going to be my dinner?

Stuart Wellington

[1:07] Quick, trick him.

[1:09] Give him some riddles to solve.

Dan McCoy

[1:10] This is, of course, a bridge troll podcast.

[1:14] No, it's a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[1:17] How do we define bad?

[1:18] Well, a movie that was either rejected by audiences or critics or both.

[1:23] This one.

[1:24] Or Dan was at the bus stop and somebody was like,

Stuart Wellington

[1:26] this movie stinks.

[1:28] And you're like,

Elliott Kalan

[1:28] Jay Sherman from The Critic is taking the same bus as you?

[1:31] Yeah, this animated character from a canceled show from 20 years ago?

[1:34] Or 30 years ago.

Dan McCoy

[1:36] Okay, sir.

[1:37] I will do the show you,

[1:38] the movie you want me to on my podcast.

[1:41] If you stop harassing me.

[1:43] I mean, he would have crushed as a podcast host.

[1:46] Oh, for sure.

[1:47] Oh, well, I mean,

[1:48] all that unfettered negativity, sure.

[1:50] Oh, yeah.

[1:51] Yeah.

[1:52] We try to be nice,

[1:54] even though we're a little bit negative.

[1:56] Do we try to be nice?

[1:57] I think so.

[1:58] I think we don't have to try, Elliot.

Elliott Kalan

[2:00] It comes naturally.

[2:00] Yeah.

[2:01] I think we try not to be as mean as we could be.

[2:03] Yeah.

[2:04] Oh, okay.

[2:05] In this...

[2:05] In this world, that means nice.

[2:07] ...wicked world.

[2:07] That's nice, yeah.

[2:10] If you don't actively kick a stranger as you pass by them,

[2:13] you're a nice man in this world.

[2:14] Yeah.

[2:15] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[2:16] We watched Captain America, Brave New World.

[2:20] Other than, at this point, Thunderbolts,

[2:22] the most recent Marvel Cinematic Universe movie.

[2:26] There's another one coming out.

[2:28] Yeah.

[2:28] First Steps, Fantastic Four,

Stuart Wellington

[2:30] First Steps in a couple of weeks.

[2:31] And probably...

[2:32] Guys, I'm going to go out on a limb.

[2:33] I think there's going to be another one after that.

Elliott Kalan

[2:35] Yeah.

[2:36] You think so?

[2:36] I think there's going to be at least one more,

[2:37] and it's going to have 400 actors in it.

[2:39] Yeah.

[2:40] Mm-hmm.

[2:41] I think it's bad when they're like,

[2:43] we've got to figure out how to promote the Marvel movies

[2:45] because the gas is kind of running out on them.

[2:47] I know.

[2:47] We'll just list the names of the thousand people who are in it.

[2:51] It's like, I don't know if that's going to do it anymore, guys.

[2:53] I don't know if just shoveling in mounds and mounds of actors

[2:56] into the movie, like coal into a train hopper,

[3:00] is going to do it.

[3:00] But maybe I'm wrong.

[3:02] So Captain America, Brave New World,

[3:04] this is the 35th movie in the MCU.

[3:07] Mm-hmm.

[3:08] 35th.

[3:08] Some would say that's more than they should have.

[3:12] Okay.

[3:12] But maybe not me.

[3:13] I don't know.

[3:14] But you guys, I had a question for you.

Stuart Wellington

[3:16] You're a, Elliot, you're a Marvel zombie, right?

[3:18] You're familiar with the Marvel universe?

[3:19] I was a Marvel zombie.

Elliott Kalan

[3:20] When it comes to the comics, I'm still a Marvel zombie.

[3:22] But I feel like my, whatever loyalty I had to the MCU

[3:25] as like a fan who's excited about things has,

[3:27] the Embers, it's just Embers now.

[3:29] You know, it's just the, you know.

Dan McCoy

[3:30] And Dan, you're a fan of graphics zombie, right?

[3:33] Comics-wise, yes, I am a fan of graphics zombie.

[3:36] But in terms of the MCU, I've stuck with it longer than Elliot.

[3:40] Maybe because I didn't have, you know,

[3:43] like the runway of knowing these characters before,

[3:46] so it didn't tire me out as quickly.

Stuart Wellington

[3:47] Yeah, and Stuart, you're more of a Veronica zombie, right?

[3:51] Like whatever Glenn Dan's involved with.

[3:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:54] I'm like, I like to walk that thin line

[3:56] between horror and pleasure.

Elliott Kalan

[3:58] So, Dan, here's the question I had for you.

[4:00] Exactly that.

[4:01] So, I feel like, is it because,

[4:03] I feel there's two kinds of Marvel zombie fans

[4:06] when it comes to the movies.

[4:06] The ones who are diehard,

[4:08] I love these characters and I've got to support them

[4:09] no matter what.

[4:10] And the ones like me who are like,

[4:11] I kind of already have an outlet for this,

[4:13] which is comic books.

[4:14] Yeah.

[4:15] Dan, since you're not as tied to the comics,

[4:16] how are you feeling about the Marvel Cinematic Universe

[4:18] at this stage?

Dan McCoy

[4:21] It's definitely my enthusiasm,

[4:25] which was unflagging.

[4:28] It was an enthusiasm for a long time.

[4:30] Yeah.

[4:31] Even during some of the, you know,

[4:33] like post-Infinity War downtime,

[4:38] like I still was like,

[4:40] oh yeah, but you know,

[4:41] these are still fun enough.

[4:43] This one was the one that really,

[4:47] between this and Quantum Mania,

[4:48] I think these are,

[4:49] they were the two ones that really tried my patience the most.

Stuart Wellington

[4:52] Yeah, I can see that.

[4:52] I mean, wait,

[4:53] are we going with our like least favorite Marvel movie so far?

[4:56] Because you didn't mention my least favorite.

[4:58] What's that?

[4:59] Love and Thunder,

[5:00] Thor Love and Thunder.

[5:00] I still have not watched that.

Elliott Kalan

[5:02] I hate it so much.

[5:02] I still haven't watched,

[5:03] I think I've talked about this on the podcast in the past,

[5:05] that a couple of years ago,

[5:07] I was in a very deep depression.

[5:08] And I was like,

[5:09] what movie am I going to watch while I do the dishes?

[5:12] Thor Love and Thunder is on Disney Plus.

[5:14] I guess I have to watch that.

[5:15] And then I was like,

[5:16] no, wait,

[5:17] I'm not going to watch it.

[5:18] I'm going to watch this foreign movie that I've never heard of,

[5:20] that I DVR'd just on a whim.

[5:22] And that movie was amazing.

[5:24] and I'm like,

[5:25] I'm not looking back.

[5:26] I'm never watching Love and Thunder.

[5:27] I don't need it.

[5:28] You know,

Stuart Wellington

[5:28] and Stuart,

[5:29] you're disliked.

[5:29] That foreign movie was what?

[5:30] Like Mr. Bean's Thanksgiving or something?

[5:33] Mr. Bean's Thanksgiving.

Elliott Kalan

[5:35] What was your?

[5:36] It was called El Sur.

[5:37] It was a Spanish movie called El Sur.

[5:38] Oh, yeah, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[5:39] You talked about that.

[5:39] What was your,

[5:40] in a nutshell,

[5:41] your Love and Thunder issues?

[5:44] Let's hash it out briefly here.

[5:46] Was it the Love and the Thunder?

[5:47] Yeah.

[5:47] Which one was it?

[5:48] I would say,

Elliott Kalan

[5:49] I would say it took the-

[5:50] Or fans,

[5:50] write in and let us know if you want us to cover Thor Love and Thunder.

[5:53] But Stuart,

[5:53] tell us.

[5:53] Yeah,

[5:54] give us a preview.

Stuart Wellington

[5:54] I mean,

[5:54] I just,

[5:55] I feel like it,

[5:56] you know,

[5:57] there's some bright spots.

[5:58] I like Christian Bale,

[6:00] you know,

[6:01] but I feel like

[6:03] it took the

[6:04] kind of like goofiness

[6:06] of some of the

[6:07] previous,

[6:09] specifically the last

[6:10] Taika Waititi one.

[6:11] Right,

Stuart Wellington

[6:11] and it just kind of like

[6:13] dialed the goofiness up.

[6:15] The,

[6:16] I don't think the jokes

[6:16] worked as well.

[6:18] It felt kind of lazy

[6:19] and thrown together

[6:20] very quickly,

[6:21] which is,

[6:22] and or edited to pieces,

[6:24] which is part of the problem

[6:25] with this one.

[6:27] And it,

[6:27] it felt like,

[6:28] it felt like a filmmaker

[6:29] who was stretched a little too thin,

[6:32] which is,

[6:32] I think,

[6:33] based on his body of work,

[6:34] true.

[6:35] Just because Taika Waititi

Elliott Kalan

[6:36] had signed on to roughly

[6:37] seven dozen projects

[6:38] at that time.

[6:39] And remember,

[6:40] there was the,

[6:40] there was the interview

[6:41] that made Marvel fans mad

[6:42] where Taika Waititi was like,

[6:43] oh yeah,

[6:43] I did the Thor movies for money.

[6:45] I needed money at the time.

[6:46] And people were like,

[6:47] what?

[6:47] It wasn't for love of Thor?

[6:50] Like,

[6:50] I think there's a,

[6:51] there's a,

[6:52] one of the things

[6:52] that I still find hilarious

[6:53] that they still have to do

[6:54] is when the people

[6:55] making these movies

[6:56] have to pretend

[6:56] that they've always been fans

[6:58] of these characters

[6:58] and they think they're super cool.

[7:00] Or like,

[7:00] oh yeah,

[7:01] I read the comics

[7:01] they're based on

[7:02] and there's such,

[7:03] there's such amazing depth

[7:04] in the character of Sidewinder,

[7:05] you know.

[7:06] But it's,

[7:07] anyway,

[7:08] we'll get into that.

[7:08] Dan,

[7:09] so Captain America,

[7:11] Brave New World.

[7:11] Had you seen

[7:12] Falcon and the Winter Soldier,

[7:13] the TV show?

Dan McCoy

[7:14] I had seen

[7:14] Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

[7:15] I had not seen it.

[7:15] That's the show

Elliott Kalan

[7:16] that should have been

[7:17] email, right?

Dan McCoy

[7:19] You know what?

[7:20] I did not hate it

[7:21] as much as a lot of people did.

[7:23] It's not my,

[7:23] least favorite

[7:24] of those things either.

[7:25] Well,

[7:26] what's your least favorite

[7:26] of those things?

[7:28] Oh,

[7:28] God.

Stuart Wellington

[7:29] There's a lot of us

[7:30] like vague booking here.

Dan McCoy

[7:32] Yeah,

[7:32] yeah,

[7:32] what is it?

[7:33] I can't,

[7:34] you know,

[7:34] the one,

[7:35] look,

[7:35] I know that it was like

[7:36] more creative

[7:38] and thus I should be fond of it

[7:41] for its ambition,

[7:42] but I just couldn't make it

[7:44] through Moon Knight

[7:45] because I was like,

[7:46] oh,

[7:46] I didn't watch that.

[7:47] what the hell is happening here?

[7:48] Like,

[7:48] at a certain point.

Stuart Wellington

[7:51] Yeah,

[7:51] that's fair.

[7:52] Yeah,

[7:53] but,

Elliott Kalan

[7:55] because I,

[7:55] I didn't see Falcon Winter Soldier

[7:56] and so when Bucky Barnes,

[7:58] who I associate more

[8:00] with the fact that he,

[8:01] until recently,

[8:02] was a brainwashed

[8:03] Soviet assassin,

[8:04] when he showed up

[8:05] as a congressional candidate

[8:06] and another character

[8:07] was like,

[8:08] oh,

[8:08] future congressman,

[8:09] Buckworth J. Barnes

[8:10] or whatever,

[8:11] I was like,

[8:11] what the fuck?

[8:12] Like,

[8:12] what is going on

[8:13] in the Marvel Universe?

[8:13] The president's a Hulk

[8:15] and Bucky's running

[8:15] for Congress?

[8:16] Like,

[8:16] what is this?

Stuart Wellington

[8:17] I think it's kind of amazing

[8:18] about like,

[8:19] Bucky as elder statesman

[8:21] of the Marvel Universe

[8:22] currently,

[8:22] like,

[8:24] I mean,

[8:24] it works well in Thunderbolts.

[8:26] It works very well

[8:27] in Thunderbolts.

Elliott Kalan

[8:27] I mean,

[8:28] it's the kind of thing

[8:28] that should happen

[8:29] kind of naturally

[8:30] and organically

[8:31] because Captain America

[8:32] is an elder statesman character.

[8:33] Bucky is,

[8:34] takes,

[8:34] has on some of that.

[8:35] He's been in a lot

[8:36] of the movies for a while.

[8:37] I haven't seen Thunderbolts yet,

[8:38] so I don't know.

[8:39] But the idea of him is like,

[8:40] it was more the idea of him

[8:41] as a congressman.

[8:42] No,

[8:42] that's the best part.

Dan McCoy

[8:43] As people have pointed out online,

[8:45] it should be like,

[8:46] wait,

[8:46] didn't you kill JFK?

[8:49] Well,

[8:49] yeah,

[8:50] sure,

[8:50] but I also helped

[8:51] unsnap a bunch of people,

[8:53] so,

[8:53] you know.

Stuart Wellington

[8:54] He's got a metal arm,

[8:56] dude.

[8:56] He does have a metal arm.

[8:57] He does have a metal arm.

Dan McCoy

[8:58] That was on his campaign posters.

[8:59] I've got a metal arm,

[9:00] dude.

[9:01] And he's pointing to you.

[9:03] Speaking of this,

[9:04] let's get into this movie.

[9:04] I want you to look at my metal arm.

Stuart Wellington

[9:06] Yeah.

[9:07] And it's,

[9:08] it's,

[9:08] it's drawn all super cool

[9:09] with a lot of lines on it,

[9:10] like Rob Liefeld would draw it.

[9:12] Oh,

[9:12] I imagine it's like,

Elliott Kalan

[9:12] he got,

[9:13] he got Boris Vallejo to do it

[9:14] and it's all shiny

[9:15] and,

[9:15] you know,

[9:16] ripped.

[9:16] Yeah.

[9:16] And a couple of naked women

[9:18] are hanging off of it.

[9:21] He's going for the Manosphere vote.

[9:22] Yeah,

[9:22] of course.

[9:23] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[9:23] Uh-huh.

[9:24] Okay.

[9:24] So,

[9:25] Captain America,

[9:26] Brave New World.

[9:26] Now,

[9:27] for some reason,

[9:28] I watched this on Disney Plus

[9:29] and I didn't see the opening,

[9:31] like,

[9:32] traditional opening Marvel logo.

[9:34] Did,

[9:34] did I just miss it?

[9:35] Was I,

[9:35] like,

[9:35] looking at my phone?

Elliott Kalan

[9:36] To be honest,

[9:37] I,

[9:37] I hit that 10 second skip button

[9:38] through the production logos.

[9:40] So,

[9:40] I don't,

[9:41] so I,

[9:41] I,

[9:41] but so I didn't recognize that,

[9:42] but I also,

[9:43] I figured Stuart never stays

[9:44] for the end credit scene.

[9:46] I don't have to look at the production logos.

[9:47] That's right.

[9:48] That's your cool new thing.

[9:49] Yeah,

[9:49] exactly.

Stuart Wellington

[9:50] So,

[9:50] uh,

[9:51] movie opens,

[9:52] Thaddeus Ross,

[9:53] Thaddeus,

[9:54] what,

[9:54] Thunderbolt Ross?

[9:55] Thunderbolt Ross,

[9:56] yeah.

[9:56] Is now,

[9:57] is now president of the United States of America.

[9:59] He's looking a little different.

Dan McCoy

[10:01] He's looking a little bit different.

[10:02] He,

[10:02] the snap changed him.

Elliott Kalan

[10:04] Well,

[10:04] okay,

[10:04] so here,

[10:05] I,

[10:05] let's just pull the curtain back.

[10:06] This is a different actor playing.

[10:08] Yeah,

[10:08] William Hurt passed away.

[10:10] That,

[10:10] yeah,

[10:10] they,

[10:11] uh,

[10:11] yeah,

[10:11] William Hurt passed away

[10:13] and Harrison Ford took the role.

[10:14] And I gotta say,

[10:15] I like that more than if they had an AI CGI William Hurt,

[10:19] you know,

[10:19] walking around,

Stuart Wellington

[10:20] you know?

[10:20] I mean,

[10:21] I honestly like,

[10:22] this is,

[10:22] I,

[10:23] this is a weird thing to say

[10:24] because I,

[10:24] I love Harrison Ford

[10:25] and I am usually very excited to see him in things,

[10:28] but I did miss William Hurt in this role.

[10:30] I feel like William Hurt brings a different,

[10:32] it's like a slightly different energy than Harrison Ford.

[10:34] I agree.

[10:34] Well,

Elliott Kalan

[10:34] I think Harrison Ford,

[10:35] you know,

[10:36] he's,

[10:36] I think he's by far the,

[10:37] the MVP of this movie,

[10:39] but I feel like he,

[10:40] uh,

[10:41] he does.

[10:42] Tim Blake Nelson,

[10:43] dude.

[10:43] Tim,

[10:43] I wish they'd just given Tim Blake Nelson more,

[10:45] to do.

[10:45] He just walks around and stares.

[10:46] Yeah.

[10:47] That's the problem with him.

[10:48] So,

[10:48] and,

[10:48] uh,

[10:49] but,

[10:49] but William Hurt brings a certain,

[10:51] yeah,

[10:51] a certain slight over the topness to his Thunderbolt Ross.

[10:55] And I wish Harrison,

[10:55] Harrison Ford doesn't really do that.

[10:57] You know,

[10:58] Harrison Ford doesn't do that kind of like,

[10:59] um,

[11:00] uh,

[11:00] this is just a little bigger than it needs to be,

[11:03] you know?

[11:03] Um,

[11:04] but anyway,

[11:04] yeah,

[11:05] so he's the president of the United States.

[11:06] Now the guy who,

[11:06] again,

[11:07] I mean,

[11:08] nevermind that they elected him president even after he like destroyed part of an American city,

[11:12] but whatever it's,

[11:13] uh,

[11:13] yeah.

[11:14] In today's world.

[11:15] That's yeah.

[11:15] We should not be allowed to say anything,

Stuart Wellington

[11:18] uh,

[11:18] predicting,

[11:19] like saying what can and can't get you elected.

[11:21] Cause we've said things on the podcast before and we've been proven.

[11:24] That's true.

[11:25] That's very true.

[11:25] Well,

Elliott Kalan

[11:25] I think one of the weird things about this movie is that it,

[11:29] and people at the time when it came out,

[11:30] they talked,

[11:31] commented on this,

[11:32] that like,

[11:32] it feels like a,

[11:33] uh,

[11:34] a movie from a slightly earlier political age where the message of,

[11:39] we may disagree,

[11:39] but maybe we can,

[11:40] but we have to figure out how to get along.

[11:42] Still seems kind of like a valid way to live as opposed to now where it's like,

[11:46] yeah,

[11:46] I don't,

[11:46] I don't really need to agree to disagree with the guy who's sending masked gunmen to pull

[11:51] citizens off the street and send an air lift them to foreign jails.

[11:54] Like there's no,

[11:55] and the idea that,

[11:56] um,

[11:56] the,

[11:56] uh,

[11:57] the,

[11:57] and this,

[11:58] people said this in the,

[11:58] in their views that like,

[11:59] oh,

[12:00] this,

[12:00] it's actually,

[12:00] it would be great if the president just broke some buildings in Washington,

[12:03] D.C.

[12:04] And didn't do more.

[12:04] Like he's,

[12:05] he's a far less destructive president than the one we have.

[12:07] He's a warmonger and a monster,

Stuart Wellington

[12:09] but,

[12:11] uh,

[12:11] he's not that bad.

[12:13] Yeah.

[12:13] We've had warmonder,

[12:15] warmonder,

Elliott Kalan

[12:17] I mean,

[12:17] warmonder God sounds like a great,

[12:19] a great fantasy character.

Dan McCoy

[12:20] Yeah.

[12:21] Just take the Hulk pills away from him and he'll be fine.

[12:24] No,

[12:24] Dan,

Elliott Kalan

[12:24] he has a vague heart condition that can only be sort of secured through Hulk pills.

[12:30] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[12:31] Um,

[12:31] okay.

[12:32] So he is the president five months later,

[12:35] uh,

[12:37] five months later,

[12:38] Captain America and his new Falcon sidekick,

[12:41] Joaquin Torres,

[12:42] right?

[12:43] Yeah.

[12:43] Uh,

[12:44] they are sent on a mission to Oaxaca to stop the sale of some classified material that was,

[12:51] uh,

[12:51] stolen by the,

[12:53] uh,

[12:53] the organization called serpent and their lead bad guy sidewinder.

[12:58] Are these comic book guys?

Elliott Kalan

[12:59] These are,

[12:59] so here's the,

[13:00] here's,

[13:01] this was a,

[13:01] this was a reshoot thing.

[13:03] So serpent is a nod to the serpent society,

[13:05] which is a group of Captain America villains that are all snake themed and they all have snake

[13:10] costumes.

[13:10] They all have different snake powers.

[13:12] And during,

[13:13] I think.

[13:13] They predate Cobra,

[13:17] I believe Daniel,

[13:18] but,

[13:18] uh,

[13:18] but the idea behind them,

[13:19] I'm trying to remember.

[13:19] Wait,

[13:20] the health insurance.

[13:21] Yeah.

[13:21] Oh no,

[13:22] they don't predate that.

[13:22] Yeah.

[13:22] Uh,

[13:23] that I think,

[13:23] I think they,

[13:24] I can't remember if they started during Mark Groenwald's run or not,

[13:27] but Mark Groenwald who wrote Captain America for 10 years and his run is really fun.

[13:30] It's got Cap Wolf in it.

[13:32] Captain America comes a werewolf.

[13:33] It's got all the John Walker,

[13:34] it's got all the John Walker,

[13:35] U.S.

[13:35] agent stuff that Falcon,

[13:36] the winter soldier was about.

[13:38] It like,

[13:38] uh,

Elliott Kalan

[13:39] he's like,

[13:39] there's all these snake based villains.

[13:41] Let's get them into one group and they'll treat it like it's a labor union or a business syndicate for villains.

[13:45] Like they each get a cut,

[13:46] they get health insurance through it.

[13:48] And Sidewinder is the guy runs it,

[13:50] but they all wear their snake costumes all the time.

[13:52] It's great.

[13:53] And one of the things that's disappointing to me about this movie is that it feels like,

[13:56] it feels a lot like it is the 90s direct to video sequel to a big budget action movie.

[14:01] And part of that is that the characters are rarely in costume or doing costume things.

[14:05] The villains,

[14:06] instead of being colorful,

[14:07] costumed characters are instead just kind of like randos in,

[14:10] in body armor with guns.

[14:13] And,

[14:13] uh,

[14:14] they originally,

[14:14] I guess,

[14:15] had the characters Diamondback and another one,

[14:17] these Serpent Society characters,

[14:18] and then cut them entirely out of the movie.

[14:20] That like,

[14:20] they literally shot those scenes and then cut them out.

[14:22] And I think they were trying to de,

[14:24] maybe de-silly-fy the Serpent Society,

[14:27] but it's like,

[14:27] why not?

[14:28] Why are we doing this?

[14:29] Why are we,

[14:29] why are we bothering to make these movies?

Stuart Wellington

[14:31] would have loved to have been in a cool snake costume.

Elliott Kalan

[14:34] I think so.

[14:34] And he would have done a great job with it.

[14:36] And he could have looked like the snake man in that anti-drug ad from when I was a kid

[14:39] that was so scary,

[14:40] where the drug dealer turns into like a weird snake man at the end.

[14:43] But it's,

[14:44] it's one of those things where,

[14:46] I think when the Marvel universe was at its best,

[14:48] it was like,

[14:49] let's take the things that happen in the comics and that they do in the comics that in earlier movies would have deemed too silly.

[14:55] Let's just have them do them.

[14:57] Like,

[14:57] let's just have them do it.

[14:58] And here,

[14:58] it feels like they're back in the old ways of like running away from that.

[15:01] You know,

[15:01] to the Serpent Society,

[15:02] have them dress up as snakes.

[15:04] Give them snake powers.

[15:05] Why not?

[15:06] You know,

Dan McCoy

[15:06] where else can you get that?

[15:07] Nowhere.

[15:07] Well,

[15:07] I mean,

[15:08] one of the problems with this movie in particular is it has such a like dour and serious tone.

[15:12] And I think they're trying to recapture the Winter Soldier tone of like,

[15:17] oh,

[15:17] this is really a political movie.

[15:18] This is serious.

Stuart Wellington

[15:19] You know,

[15:20] like,

[15:20] part of what makes that fun is that you,

[15:23] in the middle of this serious thing,

[15:25] you have Captain America and Bucky running around and doing stuff.

Dan McCoy

[15:30] Yeah.

[15:31] Well,

[15:31] there's like some fun,

[15:33] like,

[15:33] they're not really like mismatched per se,

[15:35] but there's like some buddy comedy stuff with Captain America and Black Widow.

[15:39] Like,

[15:39] I wonder whether.

[15:41] And the introduction of Sam Wilson.

[15:44] Some of it is like a response to people getting mad about like,

[15:48] oh,

[15:48] you know,

[15:49] like these movies got so quippy or whatever,

[15:51] but like.

[15:52] It's still quippy though.

[15:53] Like,

[15:53] it's still a quippy movie.

[15:54] The character comedy is like the good stuff.

[15:58] You don't have to run away from like,

Elliott Kalan

[16:00] Well,

[16:00] it's also like the characters,

[16:02] part of the issue I had with this movie,

[16:03] this is a larger thing,

[16:04] and I know we haven't talked too much about it.

[16:05] Sam Wilson and Joaquin Torres,

[16:07] they don't really have much personality.

[16:08] Sam Wilson takes everything seriously and he feels a lot of pressure.

[16:11] Joaquin Torres is like,

[16:12] he's the young guy who wants to,

[16:14] who like wants to be a hero and he's a little bit looser.

[16:16] He's a little hot dog,

[16:16] yeah.

[16:16] And quippy.

[16:16] He's a hot dogger.

[16:17] But other than that,

[16:18] they don't have much.

[16:18] And it's not till the very end of the movie that Anthony Mackie gets to give that speech about,

[16:23] when I'm wearing this,

[16:24] I feel the pressure of everybody else who worked so hard to get me to this place.

[16:28] I can't let them down.

[16:30] that's the subtext running throughout.

[16:31] And I'm like,

[16:32] have him say that at the very beginning of the movie,

[16:34] and then give him a little bit more personality.

[16:36] But instead,

[16:37] they play it so like serious boilerplate kind of action movie guy that it,

[16:43] I feel like I was the whole time I was like,

[16:45] I don't get,

[16:45] I don't know what Falcon's personality is.

[16:47] Like,

[16:47] I don't know who he is as a character.

Dan McCoy

[16:48] I've liked Mackie a lot in this part,

[16:50] but now that he's in the main role rather than a supporting role,

[16:56] they haven't developed like the next level of character.

Stuart Wellington

[16:59] My favorite moments for him are when he,

[17:03] like he,

[17:04] where they give him a chance to like reveal that like,

[17:06] yeah,

[17:07] he's just a regular dude where he's like,

[17:08] man,

[17:09] I wish I fucking took that stupid super circle.

[17:12] It was also,

[17:12] this is the most,

[17:13] that kind of stuff's funnier.

Elliott Kalan

[17:14] Does this movie set the limit,

[17:15] set the record for the number of times they say shit in a Marvel movie?

[17:18] It felt like every other line was like,

[17:19] oh shit.

[17:21] Oh shit.

[17:22] Oh,

[17:22] that's bullshit.

[17:23] And it was like,

[17:23] I was like,

[17:23] okay,

Elliott Kalan

[17:23] listeners,

[17:24] write in.

[17:25] Somebody tally it up.

[17:26] Send it in.

[17:27] I think you were watching the shit cut,

[17:28] Elliot.

[17:28] Oh,

[17:29] that was it.

[17:30] You know,

[17:30] I did look up the,

[17:32] did you guys see the scene where they were just rolling around and shit?

[17:35] Or was that not,

[17:35] was that not the one that was,

[17:37] I didn't see,

[17:37] you know what?

[17:38] Now I didn't watch it on Disney plus.

[17:39] I watched it on,

[17:40] on shit fetish.com.

[17:42] Was that a problem?

Stuart Wellington

[17:43] Wow.

[17:43] That's a very specific name.

[17:45] Yeah.

[17:46] I just,

[17:46] I'm not trying to obfuscate it at all.

[17:48] I just,

Elliott Kalan

[17:48] I,

[17:48] I Googled Captain America,

[17:50] brave new world streaming.

[17:51] And that's the first link that came up and it looked really cheap.

[17:54] The costumes didn't look on model.

[17:56] Brave poop world.

[17:56] You should have checked.

[17:57] You know what you did say?

[17:58] I said,

[18:00] I guess that's what it's called.

[18:01] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[18:02] You got to make sure that the links you click aren't promoted,

[18:04] Elliot,

[18:04] because Google's just doing,

[18:06] wow,

Elliott Kalan

[18:07] Google AI said,

[18:08] I think you'll want this.

[18:09] And that the whole time I was watching,

[18:10] I was like,

[18:10] I don't want this.

[18:11] This isn't what I like,

[18:11] but I guess I'll watch all four hours of it.

Stuart Wellington

[18:14] You guys,

[18:15] it was four hours long,

[18:16] right?

[18:16] It was four hours of just play.

[18:18] Yeah.

[18:18] Okay.

[18:19] So Captain America arrives.

[18:21] So we're still starting here.

[18:23] Okay.

[18:23] Sorry.

[18:23] That's a lot.

[18:24] We don't even,

Elliott Kalan

[18:24] we're talking about how weird it is that our,

[18:26] our American heroes are operating on Mexican soil to deal with this issue.

[18:30] You know?

[18:30] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[18:31] And that,

[18:32] uh,

[18:33] so he arrives,

[18:34] he like beats up a bunch of baddies.

[18:36] He fights like a bigger baddie and beats him up.

[18:39] Meanwhile,

[18:39] this bigger baddie,

Elliott Kalan

[18:40] this was not fun and it was unimpressive and boring,

[18:43] right?

[18:43] Yeah.

[18:44] Like it was this,

[18:45] this is when you need a guy with a superpower,

[18:46] like a snake based superpower for Falcon to go against instead of a guy who's just slightly larger than Falcon.

[18:52] Like he wasn't even that big a guy,

Stuart Wellington

[18:54] but other than like being excited to be fighting him.

[18:57] And by Falcon,

[18:58] you mean Captain America.

[19:00] Oh,

[19:00] sorry.

[19:00] Captain America.

[19:00] I apologize.

[19:01] I will say I,

[19:03] I continue to be disappointed at how much the,

[19:08] like,

[19:08] I know this is the way of the future,

[19:10] everything,

[19:10] but like the way his wings and his mask like zip on and off digitally,

[19:15] like it just looks,

[19:16] it looks kind of lame.

[19:18] What I,

Elliott Kalan

[19:18] what I read was that apparently Anthony Mackie had a lot of trouble with the mask he had to wear in Falcon,

[19:22] the winter soldier.

[19:23] And he was like,

[19:23] you got to give me,

[19:24] you can't put me in that again,

[19:25] which I understand.

[19:26] I get it.

[19:26] Yeah,

[19:26] that makes sense.

[19:27] But I agree that like the digital wings and everything,

[19:29] they just kind of look,

[19:30] meh,

Stuart Wellington

[19:31] you know,

[19:32] It's hard.

[19:32] It's hard to be excited about it.

[19:33] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[19:34] I will say,

[19:35] I was less excited about this fight than I was about Carrie Elway's fighting Andre the Giant in the Princess Bride,

[19:40] which is a great fight scene where a guy is up against a much bigger guy.

[19:44] So like they needed to bring some of that into this scene,

[19:46] I feel like.

Stuart Wellington

[19:47] Yeah.

[19:47] So you should have had him fight what,

[19:50] like a human legend,

[19:52] like Andre the Giant.

[19:53] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[19:53] If you can find another one,

[19:54] sure.

[19:54] Yeah.

[19:55] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[19:56] Like I said,

Elliott Kalan

[19:57] human legend as if he was going to fight like a legendary dog.

Dan McCoy

[20:00] Maybe.

[20:01] A legendary crocodile.

[20:02] Yeah.

[20:02] And he's going to fight Cerberus.

[20:05] Cerberus.

[20:06] Cerberus.

Elliott Kalan

[20:07] Yeah.

[20:07] He's an aardvark.

[20:08] He's a legendary aardvark.

[20:09] He can fight.

[20:10] He's a great fighter.

[20:11] He's got some controversial opinions about women.

[20:13] I know,

[20:13] Dan,

[20:13] you agree with him,

[20:14] but.

[20:14] No.

Stuart Wellington

[20:16] Okay.

[20:17] So they,

[20:18] they succeed,

[20:19] but Sidewinder escapes.

[20:21] They manage to get this material.

[20:23] They,

[20:23] they head back.

[20:26] He introduces Joaquin to his friend Isaiah Bradley,

[20:29] who is the original Captain America,

[20:32] who was a soldier in what?

[20:33] World War I or II?

[20:35] No,

[20:35] World War II.

Elliott Kalan

[20:36] So it's World War II also,

[20:37] but this is a character where the idea,

[20:39] this is from a,

[20:39] a comic called The Truth,

[20:41] I think it was,

[20:42] that,

[20:42] that Marvel did years ago,

[20:43] where the idea was,

[20:45] much like the Tuskegee experiments

[20:47] and things like that,

[20:48] that before they used the super serum,

[20:49] super soldier on a,

[20:50] on a white person,

[20:51] they would have tested it out on black soldiers.

[20:53] And so there's this black Captain America,

[20:55] Isaiah,

[20:55] Isaiah Bradley,

[20:56] who perceived it first.

[20:57] And because he was a black man,

[20:59] was then mistreated by the government

[21:02] and things like that.

[21:02] So I like that they're bringing this character in.

[21:04] I guess maybe he was a soldier,

[21:06] the TV show also.

[21:07] Yeah,

[21:07] he was.

[21:07] Okay.

[21:08] And I mean,

Stuart Wellington

[21:09] he,

[21:11] he brings,

[21:11] he adds a perspective

[21:12] and a genuine distrust for the US government.

[21:15] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[21:15] The character and the actor are great.

[21:17] In the movie,

[21:18] it's another place where the film feels like

[21:21] terribly wishy-washy in this like moment

[21:23] where it's,

[21:24] it's like,

[21:25] at the end where Captain America is like arguing

[21:28] like why he still like puts on the suit

[21:31] and,

[21:31] you know,

[21:32] represents America.

[21:33] I'm like,

[21:33] I don't know,

[21:34] man.

[21:35] Like,

[21:35] it seems like,

[21:36] uh,

[21:37] there's been a lot of mistreatment here

[21:38] that,

[21:38] uh,

[21:39] would be hard to forgive.

Stuart Wellington

[21:42] So they are invited to the White House,

[21:45] Captain America and Falcon,

[21:46] for their work in Oaxaca.

[21:48] And he insists that,

[21:49] yeah,

[21:50] that he insists that Isaiah come along with them.

[21:53] And despite his initial reservations,

[21:54] Isaiah agrees to go along.

[21:56] They get all dressed up.

[21:56] They take a limo.

[21:57] They talk about riding in a limo

[21:59] and being dressed up.

[22:00] They arrive at the White House for this like,

Elliott Kalan

[22:02] they talk about it for a while.

[22:03] Stuart makes it seem like that's just,

[22:05] he,

[22:05] just Stuart's just bringing it up as a joke.

[22:06] They spend a lot of time in that limo

[22:08] talking about,

Stuart Wellington

[22:09] look at your suit,

[22:10] man.

[22:10] Oh,

[22:10] hey,

[22:10] we're in a limo right now.

[22:11] House to a suit.

[22:11] Yeah.

[22:12] It's,

[22:12] I mean,

[22:12] it's a nice jacket.

[22:14] So they arrive at the White House.

[22:16] You don't wear it to the White House.

[22:17] If you've got style,

[22:18] you do.

[22:19] I guess,

[22:19] that's a good point.

[22:20] So they arrive at the White House.

[22:22] There's initially some conversation

[22:24] that I thought was just,

[22:25] you know,

[22:26] I tossed off jokes

[22:27] where Isaiah's having trouble

[22:29] working his phone.

[22:31] But it turns out that's a plot point.

[22:34] Captain meets with President Ross

[22:37] who suggests that they

[22:38] put aside their past differences

[22:40] and Captain America

[22:41] restart the Avengers.

[22:44] And it's this like,

[22:45] hey,

[22:45] let's build bridges

[22:47] and move forward.

[22:48] Then the president gives an address

[22:50] where he's talking all about

[22:51] the giant dead Eternal

[22:54] that appeared,

[22:55] Celestial,

[22:56] sorry,

[22:56] that appeared at the end of Eternals.

[22:58] My mistake.

[22:59] You're like,

[22:59] I thought that was never

[23:00] going to be mentioned again,

[23:01] but I guess,

[23:02] I guess.

[23:02] I'm kind of excited to see that.

Elliott Kalan

[23:04] Because it's their way

[23:05] to get an even more important thing

[23:06] into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[23:08] And what is that?

[23:08] What is that miracle mineral?

[23:10] Adamantium.

[23:12] Adamantium.

[23:12] And you know,

[23:13] all the comic fans

[23:15] ejaculated when they heard that word

[23:16] because they know Wolverine's

[23:17] going to show up at some point.

Stuart Wellington

[23:19] Not in this movie,

[23:20] but eventually.

[23:20] Not in this movie.

[23:21] Sometime.

Elliott Kalan

[23:22] He is too busy being in the highest

[23:23] grossing R-rated comedy

[23:25] of all time.

[23:26] Yeah.

[23:27] Shortly after this.

[23:28] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[23:29] Was it before this?

[23:30] Is that The Hangover 5?

Elliott Kalan

[23:31] Exactly.

[23:32] No, it's The Music Man

[23:33] on Broadway,

[23:33] the film version of it.

Stuart Wellington

[23:35] Wow, that's R-rated?

[23:37] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[23:37] Oh, yeah.

[23:38] Now I'm interested in seeing it.

[23:39] Yeah, yeah.

[23:40] They updated it for modern times.

[23:41] It's much grittier.

[23:42] There's a lot more nudity.

[23:43] A lot more nudity.

[23:44] Most shits you'll ever hear

[23:45] on Broadway.

[23:46] You know what?

[23:47] I might have been watching

[23:48] The Pusik Man,

[23:49] which was on the same website

[23:50] we were talking about earlier.

[23:52] Yeah.

[23:52] We got trouble.

[23:54] And that starts with a T

[23:55] and that rhymes with P

[23:56] and that stands for poop.

[23:57] And then they're just,

[23:58] it's just shit play

[23:59] from that point on.

Dan McCoy

[24:00] I'm going to put a child protection

[24:02] on your laptop, Elliot.

[24:04] That's a good idea.

[24:05] Worried about you.

Stuart Wellington

[24:06] So we,

[24:07] so in the middle of this,

[24:09] we also learned that the,

[24:10] the thing that was recovered

[24:12] in Oaxaca

[24:13] that was up for sale,

[24:14] the classified material

[24:15] was actually some of that adamantium

[24:17] that I believe belonged

[24:18] to the Japanese

[24:19] and was stolen by Serpent.

Elliott Kalan

[24:21] So this movie is,

[24:22] it's trying to be mature

[24:25] and intelligent

[24:27] in making itself

[24:28] about international tension

[24:30] between America and Japan

[24:31] over the ownership of adamantium

[24:34] and this treaty

[24:34] that will share adamantium

[24:36] with all the world

[24:37] that the present has.

Stuart Wellington

[24:38] Because this,

[24:39] this thing appeared

[24:40] in the Indian Ocean

[24:41] and all the nations

[24:43] that are nearby

[24:43] are trying to race

[24:44] so that they can exploit

[24:46] this,

[24:47] this,

[24:48] what?

[24:49] This giant alien.

[24:50] Stronger than vibranium.

Elliott Kalan

[24:51] Yeah,

[24:51] and there's two things

[24:52] I want to bring up about this.

[24:54] One is,

[24:54] the movie,

[24:55] now the rest of the movie,

[24:56] Ross just keeps going,

Dan McCoy

[24:57] my treaty,

[24:58] oh,

[24:58] but my treaty,

[24:59] we've got to sign this treaty

Elliott Kalan

[25:00] and it's ridiculous.

[25:01] How often,

[25:02] he's always talking about this treaty

[25:03] and the other thing is,

[25:05] two,

[25:06] clearly,

[25:07] this should be about tension

[25:08] between America

[25:09] and China,

[25:11] but they do not want

[25:12] to insult the China,

[25:12] they don't,

[25:13] they want,

[25:13] want to make sure

[25:14] that this movie can play

[25:15] in Chinese theaters

[25:15] and so they make it

[25:16] Japan instead

[25:17] and the idea that

[25:18] America and Japan

[25:19] are racing for this thing

[25:20] in the Indian Ocean

[25:21] and China is just

[25:22] kicking back me like,

[25:23] I don't need it,

[25:24] I don't need to extend

[25:25] my control over the oceans

[25:26] around my country,

[25:27] no,

[25:28] you guys handle it,

[25:29] is bonkers,

[25:30] it's ridiculous,

[25:31] you know.

[25:32] It's similar to that

[25:33] Red Dawn remake

[25:34] we did years ago

[25:34] where I think it was supposed

[25:35] to be China

[25:36] invade the United States

[25:36] and then they were like,

[25:37] oh,

[25:37] but we might want this

[25:38] to play in China

[25:38] because there's a lot

[25:39] of money there

[25:40] so they made it

[25:40] North Korea instead

[25:41] and the idea

[25:41] that North Korea

[25:42] could land an invasion army

[25:44] in the United States

[25:44] and start taking over

[25:45] the country

[25:45] is ludicrous.

[25:47] So,

[25:47] it just was very,

[25:50] it felt very cynical

[25:51] and also kind of like,

Stuart Wellington

[25:53] it does have hoes

[25:54] in different area codes.

[25:56] North Korea.

[25:57] Ludicrous.

[25:58] Oh,

[25:59] ludicrous,

[25:59] that's true.

[26:00] Oh,

Stuart Wellington

[26:00] okay.

Elliott Kalan

[26:01] But this was,

[26:02] it was one where

[26:02] it felt like,

[26:03] I think,

[26:03] I assume it was in order

[26:04] to not annoy

[26:06] the Chinese government

[26:07] so that they could

[26:07] keep sending movies

[26:08] to China.

[26:09] But it meant that

[26:10] this movie was

[26:11] attempting to do

[26:12] like kind of a smart

[26:13] thing about international

[26:14] politics but in a very

[26:15] kind of dumb,

[26:16] in a very dumb way.

[26:17] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[26:19] Yeah,

[26:19] it's dumb

[26:20] and it is weird.

[26:23] Okay,

[26:24] so in the middle of

[26:25] the poster.

[26:26] Yeah,

[26:26] so in the middle

[26:26] of this summit,

Elliott Kalan

[26:28] dot,

[26:28] weird,

[26:29] Stuart Wellington

[26:29] in the plot house.

Stuart Wellington

[26:31] In the middle of

[26:32] And the ellipse out

[26:32] and?

[26:33] All right.

[26:34] Yeah.

[26:35] So they,

[26:36] in the middle

[26:38] of this summit,

[26:39] we hear

[26:39] some strains

[26:41] of a strange

[26:42] song playing

[26:43] and all of a sudden,

[26:43] Isaiah Bradley

[26:44] and two other men

[26:45] whip out guns

[26:46] and just start

[26:47] blasting.

[26:48] The president

[26:49] luckily survives

[26:50] and Isaiah Bradley

[26:52] goes on the lam.

[26:53] He runs

[26:54] across,

[26:55] you know,

[26:55] the various parts

[26:56] of Washington,

[26:56] D.C.

[26:57] before Sam

[26:57] convinces him

[26:58] to give up.

[26:59] They're surrounded

[27:00] and Isaiah

[27:01] is taken into custody.

[27:02] He is obviously

[27:03] confused as to

[27:04] what happened.

[27:05] It's almost like

Elliott Kalan

[27:05] he was brainwashed.

[27:06] Almost.

[27:07] So this,

[27:07] this movie is

[27:08] Mr. Blue

[27:08] as performed

[27:09] by the Fleetwoods.

[27:10] There's another

[27:11] blue bass song

[27:12] they could have

[27:12] used,

[27:13] guys.

[27:13] Oh yeah,

Stuart Wellington

[27:14] how's that go?

[27:15] Is there a

[27:15] like a melody?

[27:16] Just to give a

[27:16] dramatic reading of it,

Elliott Kalan

[27:17] it goes,

[27:17] I'm blue,

[27:19] dabu-dee,

[27:19] dabu-di,

[27:20] dabu-di,

[27:22] dabu-di,

[27:23] dabu-di.

[27:24] And I was very

[27:25] disappointed

[27:25] that they didn't

[27:25] go that one.

Dan McCoy

[27:26] Is that the first chorus

[27:26] or is that,

[27:27] is that the chorus

Elliott Kalan

[27:27] or one of the verses?

[27:28] That's pretty much,

[27:28] that's,

[27:29] that's the chorus,

[27:29] that's most of the song.

[27:30] I mean,

[27:30] it does open

[27:31] with a spoken word

[27:32] intro about how

[27:32] this is a song

[27:33] about a blue guy

[27:34] who lives in a blue world

[27:35] and everything is blue.

Dan McCoy

[27:36] I also want to say

[27:38] like,

[27:38] obviously,

[27:39] Thunderbolt Ross

[27:41] is not the most

[27:42] level-headed

[27:43] and reasonable

[27:43] of men.

[27:45] No.

[27:45] But I do find it

[27:47] kind of odd

[27:48] that in this world

[27:49] where we

[27:50] know about

[27:51] the Winter Soldier,

[27:52] again,

[27:53] bringing him up again

[27:54] and how he was

[27:55] triggered

[27:56] to do assassinations

[27:58] that

[27:59] there is so much

[28:00] like confusion

[28:01] around the idea

[28:02] that like Isaiah

[28:04] might have had

[28:04] the same thing

[28:05] happen to him

[28:06] and so much disbelief.

[28:07] In a world

[28:07] of magic powers.

Elliott Kalan

[28:09] Yeah.

[28:10] Well,

[28:10] there's a,

[28:10] I would point you,

[28:12] Dan,

[28:12] there's a great issue

[28:12] of Astro City

[28:13] that's about a lawyer

[28:14] who gets his client,

[28:15] a gangster,

[28:16] off of charges

[28:17] because he's arguing,

[28:18] how do we know

[28:18] it wasn't a duplicate

[28:19] from another dimension?

[28:20] How do we know

[28:21] it wasn't a clone

[28:22] in this superhero world

[28:23] we live in?

[28:24] And it's a good,

[28:25] yeah,

[28:25] you should use that argument,

[28:26] Dan,

[28:26] when you're,

Stuart Wellington

[28:28] defending somebody

[28:29] in the supermc universe.

[28:31] Why did he not wear

[28:32] his magical amulet

[28:33] that grants him

[28:34] superhuman strength

[28:35] and powers?

[28:36] That's my,

[28:37] my favorite line

[28:38] from the,

[28:38] the recent Daredevil show.

[28:40] Right.

[28:40] He's defending the,

[28:41] a vigilante.

[28:42] And why doesn't he

[28:43] just eat Ross,

[28:44] the largest friend?

[28:47] So it's around here.

[28:48] So in the confusion.

[28:49] So obviously,

[28:51] at this point

[28:52] is sentenced to,

[28:53] potentially,

[28:54] he,

[28:54] he might be on trial

[28:55] for,

[28:55] with the death penalty.

[28:56] They're seeking the death penalty

[28:57] for attempted assassination.

Elliott Kalan

[28:59] They keep saying,

[29:00] they are going

[29:01] for the death penalty.

[29:02] Can you get the death penalty

[29:03] for an attempted murder?

Dan McCoy

[29:06] If you fail to?

[29:06] I mean,

[29:07] in today's America?

[29:08] Maybe.

[29:09] I don't know what the,

Elliott Kalan

[29:10] it just kept sticking out to me.

[29:11] I'm like,

[29:11] I don't know if I've ever heard

[29:12] of the death penalty

[29:12] for someone who failed

[29:13] to kill somebody else.

[29:15] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[29:16] But anyway.

[29:16] It's around now

[29:17] where we're introduced

[29:18] to Ross's head of security,

[29:22] Ruth Bat-Saraf.

[29:24] Yeah.

[29:24] A very tiny woman

[29:26] who was apparently trained

[29:27] in the red rooms

[29:28] with the black widows.

[29:31] And so she is a character

[29:32] that I,

[29:34] from my understanding,

[29:35] was edited

[29:36] and cut down quite a bit.

[29:38] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[29:38] In the comic books,

[29:39] she has a character named

[29:40] Sabra,

[29:40] who is kind of

[29:41] the Israeli national superhero.

[29:43] And when they first started

[29:44] putting this movie together,

[29:46] they,

[29:46] I'm not sure why they chose her

[29:48] as a character to be in it,

[29:49] but there was a firestorm

[29:50] on both sides

[29:52] of the pro and anti-Israeli,

[29:54] pro and anti-Gaza thing.

[29:56] They stepped into a controversy

[29:58] of Snow White proportions

[30:00] around it.

[30:01] And I think their reaction

[30:02] to that was to,

[30:03] instead of making her

[30:03] an Israeli superhero,

[30:04] making her an Israeli-born

[30:06] employee of the United States government

[30:08] who just happens to,

[30:09] which is a former black widow

[30:10] as opposed to someone

[30:12] with strong ties to Israel.

[30:14] But I always love the name

[30:15] Bat-Sereph

[30:15] because it sounds like,

[30:16] it's like,

[30:17] if Batman was an angel.

Dan McCoy

[30:19] I mean,

[30:20] the thing,

[30:20] I mean,

[30:20] like,

[30:20] as someone,

[30:21] you know.

[30:21] It's basically Asriel,

[30:22] right?

[30:23] Yeah,

[30:23] I guess that is Asriel,

[30:24] yeah.

[30:25] outside of,

[30:26] outside of that world.

[30:29] I was not like,

[30:30] my initial,

[30:31] like,

[30:32] association with Bat

[30:33] is not like,

[30:33] oh yeah,

[30:34] this is like a Jewish name.

[30:36] It is the Bat,

[30:37] you know.

[30:37] It was like,

[30:38] it was only on rewatch.

[30:39] I'm like,

[30:39] oh,

[30:39] of course,

[30:40] yes,

[30:40] of course.

[30:41] Right,

[30:41] right.

[30:42] There's no Bat element in this.

Elliott Kalan

[30:44] I'm missing.

[30:45] for her to turn into a Bat,

[30:46] you're like,

[30:46] a falcon and a bat.

[30:48] It makes perfect sense.

[30:49] They're both flyers.

[30:50] Yeah,

[30:50] no.

Stuart Wellington

[30:51] I mean,

[30:51] if she turned,

[30:52] like,

[30:52] morphed into a bat character,

[30:53] that would have been great.

[30:54] Amazing.

[30:55] That would have been fantastic.

[30:56] Yeah.

[30:56] Okay.

[30:57] I mean,

[30:57] you know.

[30:58] What are you going to say,

Dan McCoy

[30:59] Dan?

[30:59] Well,

[30:59] just know,

[31:00] I understand why in this world

[31:02] things were changed

[31:04] about this character.

[31:05] Just as a matter of,

[31:06] like,

[31:07] the actress performing it,

[31:09] like,

[31:10] this is a fun character,

[31:11] I think,

[31:11] to me,

[31:12] in this movie

[31:12] that doesn't have a lot

[31:13] of fun stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[31:14] She's all right.

[31:14] This is Shira Haas,

[31:15] is the actress,

[31:16] who,

[31:17] you may remember her

[31:18] from the show,

[31:19] Steisel,

[31:20] which was my in-laws'

[31:22] favorite show

[31:22] for a while.

[31:24] Can you tell us

[31:25] a little bit about the show?

[31:26] It's an Israeli show

[31:27] about Jews.

[31:29] Okay.

[31:30] It's like,

[31:30] it's just about,

[31:31] it's about,

[31:31] like,

[31:32] Orthodox Jews.

[31:32] And my in-laws

[31:33] really loved it.

[31:34] They're watching it all the time.

[31:34] Oh,

[31:34] and she was,

[31:35] that's right,

[31:35] and she was in Unorthodox.

[31:37] Oh,

Dan McCoy

[31:37] that's what I remember.

Elliott Kalan

[31:39] Yeah,

[31:39] yeah.

[31:40] That's what you would know her from.

[31:40] It's from Unorthodox.

[31:42] Another show about Orthodox Jews.

[31:44] But,

[31:44] the,

[31:46] what was I going to say?

[31:46] But they kind of

[31:47] solved the problem.

[31:49] She's a fun performer in this,

[31:51] but they also don't give her

[31:52] that much to do.

[31:53] Like,

[31:53] there's not a lot of personality

[31:54] in this character

[31:54] aside from like,

[31:55] she seems like she's going to be

[31:57] tough as nails.

[31:57] Yeah.

[31:58] And then she's got a sense of humor,

[31:59] you know?

Stuart Wellington

[31:59] Yeah,

[31:59] she's initially introduced

[32:01] as potentially a foil,

[32:02] but then she becomes an ally.

[32:04] Okay,

[32:05] so,

[32:05] Sam goes to-

[32:06] Foil is an alloy.

[32:07] Mm-hmm.

[32:08] Depending on what it's made out of.

[32:10] Sam goes to visit Isaiah

[32:12] in jail,

[32:13] and he continues

[32:14] his investigations.

[32:17] While he's driving around,

[32:18] he gets ambushed

[32:19] by Sidewinder.

[32:20] His car gets blown up,

[32:21] and then he beats up

[32:22] Sidewinder and wins

[32:23] because,

[32:24] I mean,

[32:24] Giancarlo Esposito,

[32:26] great actor.

[32:27] I don't quite buy him

[32:28] as like,

[32:29] as physically tough

[32:30] as Captain America.

Elliott Kalan

[32:31] I mean,

[32:32] at least in Electric State,

[32:33] they gave him a robot body

[32:35] to be working through,

[32:36] but the idea that,

[32:37] yeah,

[32:37] even if Captain America

[32:38] doesn't have the super soldier serum,

[32:39] he's still got to be

[32:40] at least 15 years younger

[32:42] than Giancarlo Esposito.

[32:43] Like,

[32:43] right?

[32:44] It feels weird

[32:46] to have an older gentleman

[32:47] as like the big,

[32:48] the big physical one.

Dan McCoy

[32:49] Now,

[32:50] if they put him in a snake suit,

Elliott Kalan

[32:51] maybe,

[32:52] maybe snake suit.

[32:53] Of course,

[32:54] if he has snake powers,

[32:55] then yeah,

[32:56] of course,

[32:56] then it's a totally different story.

Dan McCoy

[32:58] Now,

[32:58] what are snake powers?

[32:59] Let's dig into this.

Elliott Kalan

[33:01] Squeezing,

[33:02] mesmerizing people.

[33:03] So,

Elliott Kalan

[33:03] I mean,

[33:03] there's a lot of different

[33:04] kinds of snake powers.

[33:05] So,

Elliott Kalan

[33:06] I think this Sidewinder,

[33:08] he could teleport,

[33:09] I think.

[33:09] Let's see.

[33:10] That's sick.

[33:10] That's a snake power?

[33:11] Yeah.

[33:12] I mean,

[33:12] that's his power.

[33:12] I'm terrified now.

[33:14] There's going to be snakes

[33:15] in my shower.

[33:16] Snakes could just show up

[33:17] anywhere, Dan.

[33:17] That's why you've got to

[33:18] always check your shoes

[33:18] when you wake up in the morning.

[33:21] What other snake,

[33:22] I mean,

[33:22] like,

[33:22] not all of them had snake,

[33:23] snake powers,

[33:24] because,

[33:24] like,

[33:24] Diamondback's powers were like.

[33:25] There's a constrictor,

[33:26] right?

[33:27] Yeah,

[33:27] there's,

[33:27] yeah,

[33:28] there's,

[33:28] which one is it?

[33:29] Is it King Cobra,

[33:31] I think?

[33:31] There's Black Mamba,

[33:32] King Cobra,

[33:33] Asp.

[33:33] They all have different,

[33:34] they can bite people,

[33:35] you know,

[33:35] they can squeeze people.

[33:37] I can bite people,

[33:38] Elliot.

[33:38] I forget if it's King Cobra,

[33:39] I'll do it right now.

[33:40] I forget if it's King Cobra,

[33:41] the one who has a snake body.

[33:43] One of them has,

[33:44] like,

[33:44] a bionic from the waist down,

[33:46] he's just a huge snake,

[33:47] you know?

[33:47] Oh,

[33:47] yeah.

[33:48] But,

[33:48] like,

[33:48] Diamondback,

[33:49] who became Captain America's

[33:50] girlfriend for a little bit,

[33:51] she just kind of throws diamonds

[33:52] and jumps around.

[33:53] She's a real Black Widow,

[33:54] Electra-type character.

Stuart Wellington

[33:56] You know,

[33:56] we talk about all these

[33:57] body modifications,

[33:58] right?

[33:59] Yeah,

[33:59] body modifications.

[34:00] Calf extensions and things.

[34:02] How come nobody's just turned

[34:03] their lower half their body

[34:04] into a snake body?

[34:05] Calf extensions.

[34:06] There was a guy for a long,

Elliott Kalan

[34:07] yeah,

[34:08] you had to be more like a trap.

Stuart Wellington

[34:09] There was a guy who was trying-

[34:10] You haven't seen materialists yet,

[34:11] Dan?

[34:11] There was a guy.

[34:12] Extensions?

[34:13] Yeah.

[34:14] For longer calves.

[34:15] Well,

[34:15] to be taller.

[34:17] Heightening surgery,

[34:18] yeah.

[34:18] You didn't hear about this?

[34:20] Yeah,

[34:20] yeah,

[34:20] you can get,

[34:21] like,

[34:21] up to six inches.

[34:22] Oh,

[34:22] God.

[34:22] So,

[34:22] Anthony Mack is 11 years younger

Elliott Kalan

[34:25] than Giancarlo Esposito,

[34:26] so that's not super crazy.

Stuart Wellington

[34:27] Yeah,

[34:27] I guess it's within the realm

[34:29] of possibility

[34:29] that they'd be evenly matched

[34:31] in a fight.

Elliott Kalan

[34:32] But even without

[34:33] the super soldier serum,

[34:34] I still believe that

[34:34] Anthony Mackie is a,

[34:36] is gonna be,

[34:37] that Giancarlo Esposito

[34:38] is not the athletic match.

[34:39] I mean,

Dan McCoy

[34:40] I think the main thing

[34:41] is that Giancarlo Esposito

[34:43] had,

[34:43] you know,

[34:43] some weapons,

[34:45] some guns.

[34:45] He did have some weapons.

Stuart Wellington

[34:46] That he was shooting at.

[34:47] And they're like,

[34:47] here's my secret weapon,

Dan McCoy

[34:48] a big gun weapon.

Stuart Wellington

[34:50] Now,

[34:51] if his gun shot snakes.

Dan McCoy

[34:52] Yeah,

[34:53] well,

[34:53] there you go.

[34:54] Again,

Dan McCoy

[34:54] that would be so much better

[34:55] if he threw a grenade

Elliott Kalan

[34:56] and a bunch of snakes

[34:57] jumped out at you.

[34:58] I mean,

[34:58] you know who knew this?

[34:58] Damn it.

[34:59] You know who knew the power

[35:00] of throwing a snake

[35:00] at somebody?

[35:01] Moses.

[35:02] It worked then,

[35:02] it would work now.

[35:04] Throw a snake at somebody.

[35:05] Threw some peanut brittle at him

Dan McCoy

[35:06] and had the snakes

[35:07] burst out of that peanut brittle.

[35:08] Real snakes, though.

[35:09] That thing,

[35:09] real snakes burst out of it.

[35:11] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[35:11] Yeah.

[35:12] Throw it.

[35:13] It's like,

[35:13] here's a snack.

[35:16] And Captain America's like,

[35:16] actually,

[35:17] I'm pretty hungry.

[35:18] Thanks.

[35:18] I could use some energy

Elliott Kalan

[35:19] in the middle of this battle.

[35:20] I appreciate it.

[35:21] Ah,

[35:22] snakes!

Stuart Wellington

[35:23] Okay,

[35:24] so,

[35:25] they trace

[35:26] the last number

[35:28] that Sidewinder called

[35:29] to a CIA black site

[35:33] called Camp Echo 1

[35:35] that's kind of

[35:35] in the middle of nowhere.

[35:37] Cap immediately recognized this

[35:39] as a...

[35:40] If you call West Virginia

[35:41] the middle of nowhere,

Elliott Kalan

[35:42] which I would be,

[35:43] if I was a McElroy,

[35:43] I'd be pretty insulted, Stu.

Stuart Wellington

[35:45] I mean,

[35:45] they try to play it up

[35:46] like the reason

[35:47] why he knows

[35:48] it is what it is

[35:49] because it's not near

[35:50] anything else.

[35:50] That's true.

[35:51] Yeah.

[35:51] So,

[35:51] he and Joaquin

[35:53] head down

[35:54] to check this place out.

[35:56] Meanwhile,

[35:56] Ross is,

[35:57] Ross is,

[35:59] what,

[35:59] flying around?

[36:00] He's talking to his

[36:01] assistant.

[36:02] He's going back and forth

Elliott Kalan

[36:03] between here and Japan

[36:04] trying to get the Japanese

[36:05] prime minister

[36:06] to sign on to this treaty

[36:07] because if Japan

[36:08] doesn't sign on,

[36:09] then India and France

[36:11] will not sign on,

[36:12] I think it is,

[36:13] and they need,

[36:14] he needs this treaty.

[36:15] We got this treaty.

[36:16] We owe it to the world

[36:17] for this treaty.

[36:17] The treaty that will say

[36:19] that they will all share

[36:20] the adamantium.

[36:20] No country will have a

[36:21] monopoly on adamantium.

Stuart Wellington

[36:23] Yeah.

[36:23] He also places a call

[36:25] to the prison

[36:26] that we'll later learn

[36:27] is Camp Echo One.

[36:29] And he's talking

[36:30] to the warden

[36:30] about whether or not

[36:31] their prisoner

[36:32] is still contained.

[36:34] And the warden's like,

[36:35] yes, of course,

[36:35] I'm looking at him right now

[36:36] and it's revealed

[36:37] that he is just looking

[36:38] at a wall

[36:38] that something fishy

[36:40] is going on.

[36:41] Mm-hmm.

[36:41] Okay.

[36:42] So,

[36:42] Captain America

[36:43] and Falcon

[36:44] investigate Camp Echo

[36:45] one,

[36:45] they meet

[36:46] the real bad guy.

[36:48] They get into it really easy.

[36:49] They break in very easily.

[36:50] Yeah.

[36:51] They notice that they find

[36:56] a whole bunch of evidence.

[36:57] It's like an evidence dungeon

[36:58] down there

[36:58] with a bunch of pictures

[36:59] on the wall.

[36:59] Evidence computers, yeah.

[37:00] And one of the bits of evidence

[37:01] ties what's going on

[37:03] to President Ross

[37:05] and there's some weird pills,

[37:07] the same pills

[37:08] that Ross has been

[37:09] chomping down

[37:10] like Tic Tacs.

[37:11] So,

Elliott Kalan

[37:11] this bad guy

[37:12] is very sloppily organized

[37:14] because he's literally

[37:15] just left

[37:15] the president's

[37:16] medical files

[37:17] just out on the desk

[37:18] and he doesn't need them

[37:19] at that moment.

[37:20] This is a plan

[37:20] that's been going on

[37:21] for years.

[37:22] He should have filed them

[37:23] at this point.

Stuart Wellington

[37:23] Especially because we learn

[37:25] that this is Samuel Stearns,

[37:27] the leader.

[37:28] Is that the...

[37:28] Yes.

[37:29] In the comics,

Elliott Kalan

[37:30] he's the leader.

[37:30] They never call him that

[37:31] in the movies,

[37:32] but they should.

Dan McCoy

[37:33] Recall him from

[37:34] everyone's favorite

[37:35] MCU movie.

[37:38] Oh, Brother,

[37:38] where are thou?

[37:39] The Incredible Hulk.

[37:40] Ballad of Buster Scruggs.

[37:42] Starring everyone,

[37:42] you know,

[37:43] the character,

[37:43] everyone remembers,

[37:44] the actor everyone remembers

[37:45] as the Hulk,

[37:45] Edward Norton,

[37:47] Tim Blake Nelson.

[37:49] And everybody who,

[37:50] the actor everybody remembers

[37:51] from General Ross,

[37:52] William Hurt.

[37:53] Yeah.

[37:53] Doesn't even become

[37:54] the leader until

[37:55] the end of that movie.

[37:57] You know,

[37:58] the abomination

[37:58] is the main villain

[38:00] in that.

Elliott Kalan

[38:00] So they're paying off

[38:01] something that was

[38:02] put in

[38:04] years and years ago.

[38:06] Yeah.

[38:06] So that's just good.

[38:08] That's just good filmmaking.

[38:09] I mean,

[38:09] they planted that seed.

[38:11] So yeah,

[38:11] so he's the...

[38:12] They don't call him the leader,

[38:13] but he is the leader.

[38:15] What's his powers

[38:16] in the comic book?

[38:17] He's just super intelligent.

[38:18] He has a gamma

[38:19] infused brain.

[38:21] Yeah, he's got a big old dome.

[38:23] And that's why he's the Hulk's villain.

[38:24] The Hulk gamma made him strong,

[38:25] but savage and dumb.

[38:27] It made the leader

[38:28] incredibly brilliant

[38:29] and also scheming and cunning.

[38:31] And so he's just super smart.

[38:33] And in the comics,

[38:34] his head like expands

[38:35] like a kind of like a...

[38:36] In the old comics,

[38:37] his forehead

[38:38] just gets super tall.

[38:40] He's just got a very tall head

[38:41] with a huge beard.

[38:42] Around the time in the 80s

[38:43] when Todd McFarlane

[38:44] was drawing him in the Hulk,

[38:45] his head started expanding

[38:46] in all directions

[38:46] like a Jiffy Pop dome.

[38:48] He looks great.

[38:49] He's got a mustache.

[38:50] I love it.

[38:50] And here,

[38:51] originally,

[38:52] I guess his look was more

[38:53] in keeping with the comics,

[38:55] but then I think people

[38:56] didn't like it,

[38:56] so they changed it to

[38:57] now he's got...

[38:59] It looks like his head

[38:59] is just kind of...

[39:00] He's got a green and puffy.

[39:00] He's got like a lumpy head, yeah.

[39:02] Yeah, and his eyes are all weird

[39:03] and he doesn't have a mustache.

Dan McCoy

[39:05] I want to address something

[39:05] you said just a moment ago

[39:06] about like him having

[39:08] these files just laid out.

[39:09] Now,

[39:10] I guess the idea

[39:11] for a lot of this

[39:12] is, you know,

[39:13] the leader, again,

[39:14] his power,

[39:15] extreme smartness.

[39:16] He can predict

[39:17] like what's going to happen.

Elliott Kalan

[39:19] So here's...

[39:19] So they stole from

[39:20] a different Marvel character,

[39:22] the Mad Thinker.

[39:22] The Mad Thinker

[39:23] is the one who's always like,

[39:24] there's a 95% chance

[39:26] that you will come

[39:26] through that door right now

[39:27] and then a trap

[39:28] is an operator or whatever.

[39:30] And so here they have him

[39:31] talking about probabilities

[39:32] and calculations.

[39:33] That's a Mad Thinker thing.

[39:34] Okay.

[39:35] That's okay.

[39:35] They can give it to the leader.

[39:36] That's fine.

[39:37] I'm not mad about it,

[39:39] but the Mad Thinker is.

[39:40] It's in his name.

Dan McCoy

[39:41] I assume that part of the idea

[39:42] is that like

[39:43] these are all breadcrumbs.

[39:45] This is all part of his...

[39:46] He's setting them up, yeah.

[39:46] ...plan,

[39:48] which is a trope

[39:50] that I really have grown to dislike

[39:53] because it's just...

[39:55] If like 90% of your movie

[39:57] is like the bad guy being like,

[39:59] I knew exactly

[40:00] what you were going to do

[40:01] and like,

[40:02] I've led you here

[40:03] this whole time,

[40:05] it makes it...

Elliott Kalan

[40:06] You've played into my hands

[40:07] every step of the way,

[40:10] Time to open the box,

Dan McCoy

[40:12] Brad Pitt.

[40:13] It makes it feel like

[40:14] everything else

[40:15] has been worthless

[40:17] and also it makes it feel like,

[40:19] well, then how do you

[40:20] vanquish them at the end?

[40:21] Like, he's been right

[40:22] about everything,

[40:23] but somehow,

[40:24] miraculously,

[40:24] you're right at the end.

[40:25] But also like,

[40:27] in Seven,

[40:27] something like that

[40:28] works better because

[40:29] it's a shocking reveal.

[40:32] You know,

[40:32] like normally,

[40:32] I'm not in favor

[40:33] of shocking reveals.

[40:34] I believe in like

[40:35] the Hitchcock,

[40:36] like, well,

[40:36] we want to know

[40:37] the things up front

[40:38] so we can like

[40:39] have information

[40:40] that the characters

[40:40] maybe don't

[40:41] and that creates

[40:41] some suspense.

[40:43] But I think

[40:45] if it's going to be

[40:46] like a mastermind,

[40:47] like telling

[40:47] a hero pretty early

[40:50] on in the movie,

[40:50] like,

[40:51] oh,

[40:51] I'm masterminding

[40:52] everything,

[40:53] then it takes the wins

[40:54] out of the movie's sales

[40:56] versus there is

[40:57] at least a little juice

[40:58] in like at the end

[40:59] of the movie,

[40:59] the shock of being like,

[41:01] oh my God,

[41:02] I've played into your hands

[41:03] all along.

[41:04] Like,

[41:04] I thought I was doing

[41:05] the right thing,

[41:06] but it was wrong,

[41:07] you know?

Elliott Kalan

[41:08] Well,

[41:08] I would say

[41:08] there's two things

[41:09] I'll say to that,

[41:09] Dan,

[41:10] which I agree with you.

[41:11] Number one is

[41:12] Seven is just such

[41:13] a different type of movie

[41:13] that exists

[41:14] in a different world.

[41:15] Like,

[41:15] there's no justice

[41:15] and there's no heroes

[41:16] in Seven,

[41:17] which I think is how

[41:18] it's a super bleak movie

[41:19] and how you can get away with it.

[41:21] And it's not like

[41:21] we don't have to worry

[41:22] about the continuing adventures

[41:23] of Brad and Morgan,

[41:24] you know,

[41:24] in other movies.

[41:26] So,

[41:27] the,

[41:28] but I think also,

[41:29] like a sequel.

[41:31] It's called Eight.

[41:32] It's called Eight.

[41:33] Oh,

[41:34] hell yeah.

[41:34] They invented a new deadly sin

[41:36] and now the killer

[41:36] is back from the dead.

Dan McCoy

[41:40] We thought we figured out

[41:41] all the ways to sin.

[41:42] Turned out there was one more.

[41:42] There's another one,

[41:43] Doomscrolling.

[41:43] It's really cool.

[41:46] Cybercrime.

Elliott Kalan

[41:47] Dee Snider's Seven Land.

Stuart Wellington

[41:49] Oh,

[41:50] man,

[41:50] yeah.

[41:50] Oh,

[41:51] man,

[41:51] if it was cybercrime,

[41:52] the fucking beekeeper

[41:53] would show up

[41:53] and beat the shit

[41:54] out of John Doe.

Elliott Kalan

[41:55] Sure.

[41:56] But I think also,

[41:58] Elliot,

[41:58] have you seen the beekeeper yet?

[41:59] I have not seen the beekeeper yet.

[42:00] Dude,

[42:00] Elliot,

[42:01] you gotta watch the beekeeper.

[42:02] I guess,

[42:03] you know what,

[42:03] I'm in the middle of sinners.

[42:04] I guess I'll put a pause on that

[42:05] and I'll go watch the beekeeper instead.

[42:07] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[42:09] Well,

[42:09] you just gotta time it right

[42:10] to a scene where they're looking

[42:11] at a television

[42:12] and then you imagine

[42:13] that the characters

[42:13] are watching beekeepers.

[42:15] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[42:15] there's a lot of television scenes

[42:16] in the beekeepers.

[42:17] Yeah.

[42:19] So,

[42:20] Dan,

[42:20] but I think you're right

[42:21] that like,

[42:22] if you're gonna pull off,

[42:23] oh,

[42:23] you were in my clutches

[42:25] the whole time

[42:26] and now you've gotta figure out

[42:27] a way to escape it,

[42:28] the stakes are so much higher

[42:30] for the filmmakers

[42:31] in making it like

[42:32] a surprise

[42:33] and also devastating

[42:34] and then finding a way

[42:35] for the hero

[42:35] to do something

[42:37] the villain didn't expect

[42:38] but here they just don't do it.

[42:39] They just kind of,

[42:39] the villain just kind of

[42:40] starts getting bored

[42:41] at a certain point

[42:42] but also he says

[42:43] don't be boring to someone

[42:44] at one point

[42:44] which is my favorite line

[42:45] in the movie

[42:46] but also the,

[42:47] it's also one of those times

[42:49] where he was like,

[42:50] I knew you'd invite

[42:52] to the White House

[42:53] so I brainwashed him

[42:54] and it's like,

[42:55] dude,

[42:55] if you didn't brainwash

[42:56] Isaiah Bradley,

[42:58] Captain America

[42:58] probably wouldn't have

[42:59] investigated this.

[43:00] You probably would have

[43:00] gotten away with it

[43:01] but he was like,

[43:02] but I wanted you to investigate

[43:03] to increase the pressure

[43:04] on the president.

[43:05] It would have been easier

[43:06] if you just didn't.

[43:07] It reminds me of

[43:07] in Speed 2

[43:08] when we did our Speed 2 show

[43:09] where it was like,

[43:10] where Willem Dafoe

[43:11] is getting away

[43:12] with the jewels

[43:13] or whatever

[43:13] and then takes

[43:14] Sandra Bullock with him

[43:15] and I'm like,

[43:15] if you didn't do that,

[43:16] nobody would chase you.

[43:17] You just go.

[43:18] Like,

[43:18] why bother?

[43:19] You know?

Stuart Wellington

[43:19] he likes the attention.

[43:21] There's literally a part

[43:22] in this after he's like,

Elliott Kalan

[43:23] I'm always self-sabotaging.

[43:25] Yeah,

[43:25] I want to get caught.

Stuart Wellington

[43:26] He was the main character

[43:27] for a while

[43:28] and he likes the spotlight.

Dan McCoy

[43:30] Yeah.

[43:30] There's an earlier part

[43:31] where Cap has beaten up

[43:33] Giancarlo Esposito

[43:34] and then,

[43:34] like,

[43:35] the leader calls him

[43:37] to be like,

[43:37] good work

[43:38] or whatever.

[43:39] Like,

[43:40] just as I expected.

[43:41] It's like,

[43:41] dude,

[43:42] you know where a manipulator

[43:43] usually lurks?

[43:44] The shadows.

[43:44] It works better that way.

Elliott Kalan

[43:46] But I guess there is a feeling

[43:47] of like,

[43:48] if nobody knows,

[43:49] then what's the,

[43:49] there's another Astro City issue

[43:51] about this,

[43:51] I'll point to,

[43:52] where this guy

[43:53] who's called the Toymaker

[43:54] or Toybox or something,

[43:56] he pulls off the greatest heist

[43:58] and the problem is

[43:59] he's rich

[43:59] and he gets away with it

[44:00] but nobody knows he did it

[44:01] and so he goes back

[44:02] and deliberately gets caught

[44:03] so that people can know

[44:04] that he did it

[44:05] and then he escapes again.

[44:06] But the idea that like,

[44:07] how,

[44:08] you want the notoriety.

[44:09] You want the reputation.

[44:10] Yeah.

[44:10] Which,

[44:11] if they had built that

[44:11] into the leader,

[44:12] Samuel Stearns,

[44:13] I think that would have been great.

[44:14] I've been in this hole

[44:15] for decades

[44:16] for years

[44:17] because of Ross.

[44:18] I want people to know

[44:18] who I am.

[44:19] I want people to know

[44:20] the name Samuel Stearns

[44:21] but they don't do that.

Stuart Wellington

[44:22] I made him what he was.

[44:23] I deserve credit

[44:24] for all that.

[44:25] Exactly.

Elliott Kalan

[44:25] I'm the man who made

[44:27] Thunderbolt Ross

[44:27] and I want people to know

[44:28] I'm the man who broke

[44:29] Thunderbolt Ross.

Stuart Wellington

[44:31] We have a,

[44:31] so there's a little bit

[44:32] of a scene

[44:33] with Cap,

[44:34] Falcon,

[44:35] and the leader

[44:35] just yapping at each other.

[44:37] They do a lot of talking.

[44:38] Yeah.

[44:38] And then a whole bunch

[44:39] of soldiers

[44:41] that have been brainwashed

[44:42] show up

[44:42] and we get a little bit

[44:43] of a battle.

[44:45] They try to,

[44:45] and in the carnage,

[44:47] the leader escapes

[44:48] camp and Falcon

[44:51] link up with

[44:52] Ruth Batsaroff

[44:54] who initially is there

[44:56] to maybe take them

[44:57] into custody

[44:58] but then she realized

[44:59] what's going on

[44:59] and they team up

[45:00] to beat up a bunch

[45:01] of soldiers.

[45:02] She uses her Black Widow

[45:02] training.

Elliott Kalan

[45:03] How do you guys feel

[45:04] about the fights

[45:05] in this one?

[45:07] Did you enjoy

[45:07] any of the fights

[45:08] in this?

[45:08] I found them kind of like,

[45:09] meh.

[45:10] Yeah,

[45:10] not really.

Stuart Wellington

[45:11] Yeah,

[45:12] I mean,

[45:12] I thought the,

[45:13] I think this one

[45:15] was probably

[45:16] the scene

[45:18] where they're fighting

[45:18] in the lab.

[45:21] I think the fight

[45:22] in the lab

[45:22] was kind of

[45:23] the most interesting

[45:24] because it felt like,

[45:25] it felt the most like,

[45:26] oh no,

[45:26] they might actually

[45:27] get fucked up

[45:28] in this one.

[45:28] Yeah,

[45:28] they're being hit

[45:29] with taser batons

[45:31] Yeah,

[45:31] force batons.

[45:32] Guys,

Elliott Kalan

[45:33] am I losing my taste

[45:35] for like,

[45:35] fight scenes?

[45:36] Is that what it is?

[45:37] I feel like the last

[45:38] couple action movies

[45:38] we've seen

[45:39] where there's just

[45:39] kind of like,

[45:40] fist fighting,

[45:40] I've been like,

[45:41] eh,

[45:42] And I already have

[45:42] lost my taste

[45:43] for gunfights

[45:43] to a certain extent.

[45:44] Am I,

[45:45] what's happening

[45:46] to me,

[45:46] guys?

[45:47] Well,

Dan McCoy

[45:48] I think a lot of them

[45:49] that are done

[45:50] these days

[45:51] are pretty uninspired.

[45:52] I think that's a

[45:53] big part of it,

[45:54] especially,

[45:55] especially with like,

[45:57] like big blockbusters

[45:58] do it worse

[45:59] than smaller movies

[46:00] where,

[46:01] you know,

[46:01] the emphasis is on

[46:02] fight choreography

[46:04] and stunts.

[46:05] Yeah.

[46:05] Like,

[46:06] these are so,

[46:08] it's just like,

[46:08] we've-

[46:08] I did like the fights

Elliott Kalan

[46:09] in Love Hurts

[46:10] more than the fights

[46:11] in this one.

[46:12] And I did watch

[46:12] Police Story again

[46:13] not too long ago

[46:14] and the fights in that

[46:15] are pretty amazing.

[46:16] all right,

[46:16] maybe it's the movies,

[46:17] maybe it's not me,

[46:18] yeah.

[46:19] Maybe it's the pictures

[46:19] that got small.

[46:20] Yeah,

[46:20] yeah,

[46:20] pictures got small.

Stuart Wellington

[46:21] Okay,

[46:22] so they,

[46:23] the three of them

[46:25] go to a military base

[46:27] where the soldiers

[46:28] that we had met

[46:29] in the initial

[46:29] Oaxaca incident

[46:31] are holding Sidewinder.

[46:33] There's also,

Elliott Kalan

[46:34] I want to point out

[46:35] one of the characters

[46:35] in here

[46:36] that you don't

[46:37] get to see much of.

[46:38] One of the soldiers,

[46:39] they just call him Dunphy.

[46:40] And this is clearly

[46:40] Dennis Dunphy,

[46:41] the character of D-Man,

[46:42] one of my favorite

[46:43] D-list Marvel characters.

[46:45] He is a guy

[46:46] with super strength

[46:47] who is,

[46:49] always wants to be a hero.

[46:50] He was one of Captain America

[46:51] sidekicks for a while

[46:51] and he's just kind of

[46:52] a lovable lunk

[46:53] and for a long time

[46:55] was a homeless character,

[46:57] like a homeless superhero.

[46:58] And I always wanted

[46:59] to write a D-Man series

[47:00] and I never got the chance to.

[47:01] So,

[47:02] just want to mention

[47:02] they bring D-Man,

[47:03] they don't do much with him.

Stuart Wellington

[47:04] D-Man is one of those characters

[47:05] that is talked about

[47:06] by like,

[47:07] like deep cut fans

[47:08] who are like,

[47:09] oh man,

[47:09] I would love to do,

[47:10] I feel like Marvel

[47:11] was constantly getting pitches

[47:12] from like weirdos,

[47:14] like weird comedians.

[47:15] Like writers

[47:15] who were like,

[47:16] yeah,

[47:17] I got this great idea.

Elliott Kalan

[47:18] And they're like,

[47:18] another D-Man idea.

[47:20] I pitched them a D-Man series

[47:21] at one point

[47:21] where he was going to be

[47:22] traveling around America,

[47:23] dealing with the city,

[47:24] going to the cities

[47:25] that other characters

[47:26] don't deal with.

[47:27] And the idea was that

[47:28] he goes to each of these cities

[47:29] and he finds that

[47:30] the small time villains

[47:32] that are local

[47:32] to these areas

[47:33] are being pushed out

[47:34] by this kind of Walmart

[47:35] of bigger villains

[47:36] who realize

[47:37] if they hang around New York,

[47:38] they're going to get beat up

[47:39] by Thor.

[47:39] But if they go to Kansas City,

[47:41] it's not going to be

[47:41] as big a problem.

[47:42] And so he's got to deal

[47:43] with all these villains

[47:44] coming in and pushing out

[47:45] the local villains

[47:46] and it would have been really fun.

[47:47] Yeah,

[47:48] that's a good idea.

Stuart Wellington

[47:49] Okay,

[47:49] so they,

[47:50] while they're there,

[47:51] they interrogate Sidewinder

[47:52] who kind of gives

[47:53] a little bit of background

[47:54] on why he stole this stuff

[47:56] and yada, yada, yada.

[47:59] Meanwhile,

[48:00] there is a-

[48:00] Once you capture somebody,

Elliott Kalan

[48:01] they immediately will talk to you

[48:03] if you promise them something,

[48:04] which is what we're learning.

[48:05] Once somebody is in a captive situation,

[48:07] they're happy to talk

[48:08] and just tell you stuff

[48:09] in this movie.

Stuart Wellington

[48:10] Especially with the sense of like,

[48:12] I'm going to tell you this,

[48:13] but I'm going to escape

[48:13] and then I'm going to kill you,

[48:16] Yeah.

[48:16] Meanwhile,

[48:17] in the Indian Oceans,

[48:18] tensions have increased.

[48:20] Japan is heading

[48:21] to the celestial

[48:23] and the U.S. is,

[48:25] including President Ross,

[48:27] are en route

[48:28] to intercept them.

[48:30] They launch some fighters.

[48:32] Those fighters are brainwashed

[48:33] by the leader

[48:34] who has snuck into a house

[48:36] and is calling people

[48:37] with the house phone.

[48:38] Yeah, he's somehow

Elliott Kalan

[48:39] been able to figure out

[48:40] how to use a domestic phone

[48:41] to just kind of call

[48:42] fighter jets and-

[48:43] Fighter jets

[48:43] and like the earpiece

[48:45] the president has.

[48:47] He's a genius.

[48:48] He's a super genius.

[48:48] I'll buy it.

[48:49] I'll buy it.

[48:50] Yeah.

[48:50] So-

[48:51] I mean,

[48:51] I wish he had kind of a machine

[48:52] he hooked up to the phone

[48:54] that allowed him to do this,

[48:55] but instead he's just talking

[48:56] into a regular landline phone,

[48:57] but whatever.

[48:57] Yeah,

Stuart Wellington

[48:58] if he had like some weird

[48:59] invention he made,

[49:01] like-

[49:01] Yeah.

[49:02] Because he had plenty of time

Elliott Kalan

[49:03] to make weird inventions.

[49:04] The fact that in E.T.,

[49:05] Elliot makes a more interesting

[49:06] looking invention

[49:07] out of his toys,

[49:08] you know,

[49:08] and a saw blade,

[49:10] but you know,

[49:11] that's E.T.

[49:11] That's also one of the greatest

[49:12] movies ever made.

[49:13] So it's unfair to compare

[49:14] this to that, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[49:15] The brainwashed pilots

[49:16] attack the Japanese Navy,

[49:19] Japan retaliates,

[49:20] Cap and Falcon arrive

[49:22] and have to try

[49:23] and break this up.

[49:25] They got there pretty fast

[49:26] with their little suits, right?

[49:27] I feel like they got

[49:28] to the Indian Ocean pretty fast.

Elliott Kalan

[49:29] They get from West Virginia

[49:30] to the Indian Ocean

[49:31] pretty quickly, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[49:32] on what are essentially

[49:33] just like gliders.

[49:34] That's one thing

[49:35] that bothered me more

[49:36] about these wings

[49:37] where I'm like,

[49:38] he's doing a lot of like

[49:39] from the ground flying

[49:42] in a way that I'm like,

[49:43] I don't know how this works.

Elliott Kalan

[49:44] There's propulsion in there.

[49:46] There's some kind of propulsion.

[49:46] What bothers me more

[49:47] is Red Wing,

[49:48] his sidekick,

[49:49] who is in the comics

[49:50] is an actual living bird

[49:51] and here's some kind

[49:52] of freaking robot

[49:53] that shoots lasers out.

[49:54] I don't like that at all.

Stuart Wellington

[49:55] Yeah,

[49:56] that's not as cool.

[49:56] No.

[49:57] Okay,

[49:57] so they manage

[49:58] to stop the brainwashed pilots.

[50:00] They manage to shoot down

[50:01] the missiles

[50:02] that have all been blasted

[50:03] all over creation.

[50:04] Japan stands down

[50:05] but in the process,

[50:07] Joaquin Torres

[50:08] gets gravely injured

[50:09] and they have to airlift him

[50:11] and put him in the hospital.

[50:12] Is this the end

[50:12] of the new Falcon?

Elliott Kalan

[50:13] Yes.

[50:14] Oh no, guys.

[50:14] Will he survive?

[50:15] And are they going to kill

[50:16] Isaiah Bradley in the movie?

[50:18] I'm in such suspense

[50:19] about what's going to happen

[50:20] to these characters.

Stuart Wellington

[50:21] So,

[50:22] Captain goes to visit.

[50:24] Oh yeah,

[50:24] meanwhile,

[50:25] during this whole debacle,

[50:27] President Ross,

[50:28] while being yelled at

[50:30] by Stearns

[50:31] over his earpiece,

[50:33] almost gives in

[50:35] to his rage

[50:36] and his eyes become red.

[50:38] What?

[50:38] And this is one

Elliott Kalan

[50:39] of those things

[50:40] that you're supposed

[50:40] to, I think,

[50:41] be intrigued

[50:41] and mystified

[50:42] by what's going to happen

[50:43] but all of the advertising

[50:44] was about the president

[50:45] turns into a red hulk

[50:46] and beats the shit

[50:47] out of Captain America.

[50:48] So, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[50:49] This is one of those things,

[50:50] I mean,

[50:50] this is a thing

[50:51] where like,

[50:52] if they had had

[50:53] enough other stuff

[50:54] in the movie

[50:54] to make it look interesting,

[50:56] they should have kept

[50:57] the red hulk stuff

[50:58] from the ads

[50:59] because that's way

[51:00] more interesting.

Elliott Kalan

[51:01] I think you're right.

[51:01] I think they just didn't have

[51:02] and watching it,

[51:03] I was like,

[51:03] they should have had

[51:04] the red hulk stuff

[51:04] in the middle of the movie

[51:05] and then escalated it

[51:07] somehow from that

[51:07] because it's the most

[51:08] fun thing in the movie

[51:09] and that's why

[51:10] the advertising

[51:11] was all about it

[51:11] but the whole time

[51:12] you're like,

[51:13] yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[51:13] When's he going to turn

[51:14] into the Hulk?

[51:15] When's he going to do that?

Stuart Wellington

[51:16] Well,

[51:16] if a bunch of snake guys

[51:17] showed up at the very end

[51:18] to be like,

[51:19] ha ha,

[51:19] we got you.

Elliott Kalan

[51:20] If he was fighting Snake Man,

[51:21] I'd be like,

[51:22] I can wait for red hulk

[51:23] to show up.

[51:24] He's fighting a guy

[51:24] whose body is a snake's body.

Dan McCoy

[51:26] Well,

[51:26] especially because

[51:27] the rest of the movie

[51:28] is this like,

[51:29] we got to run

[51:30] from one place

[51:31] to the next place

[51:32] to unravel this like,

[51:33] not that interesting

[51:34] conspiracy,

[51:35] like,

[51:36] that type of movie,

[51:37] I was wondering,

[51:38] you know,

[51:39] like,

[51:39] it works in

[51:40] Winter Soldier.

[51:42] What is,

[51:44] what makes it boring here

[51:45] to just be like,

[51:47] we're going to.

Elliott Kalan

[51:47] I think there's a couple

[51:48] reasons why.

[51:49] One is,

[51:50] in Winter Soldier,

[51:50] there's just,

[51:50] it's just made better.

[51:52] Like,

[51:52] it's just written

[51:53] and directed

[51:53] and there's more going on.

[51:55] And it helps that

Stuart Wellington

[51:55] Cap is like a man

[51:56] out of time

[51:57] and it adds a little

[51:58] extra layer of interest

[52:00] for me.

[52:00] And I think that

Elliott Kalan

[52:01] they did,

[52:02] I think if you didn't know

[52:03] the Winter Soldier story,

[52:04] then the reveal

[52:05] that Bucky's

[52:06] the Winter Soldier

[52:06] is a big,

[52:07] exciting reveal,

[52:08] that they did not

[52:09] advertise ahead of time.

[52:10] The character is cool enough

[52:11] as just a mysterious assassin

[52:13] that it was like,

[52:14] oh,

[52:14] Captain America's

[52:15] met his match.

[52:15] I guess that's what

[52:16] this movie is about.

[52:17] But also,

[52:18] I think because

[52:18] they did a better job

[52:19] of making the character

[52:20] personally invested

[52:21] in what's going on.

[52:23] Captain America is,

[52:24] the Chris Evans version

[52:25] of Captain America

[52:26] has such a strong personality

[52:27] and the idea

[52:28] of this character

[52:28] who is an optimist,

[52:31] a guy who is flush

[52:33] with the ideals

[52:33] of FDR's America,

[52:35] that he's dealing

[52:36] with this kind of

[52:37] seemier stuff

[52:37] or these secrets,

[52:39] is an interesting

[52:39] parallel and juxtaposition.

[52:41] It gets to the heart

[52:41] of why that character

[52:42] is special,

[52:43] that he's not a part

[52:44] of these things.

[52:44] And then when he finds out,

[52:45] oh,

[52:45] it's Bucky that's doing this,

[52:46] there's a personal aspect

[52:47] to it.

[52:48] Whereas here,

[52:48] all the personal stakes,

[52:50] I mean,

[52:51] that Captain America's,

[52:52] that the Sam Wilson

[52:54] Captain America's,

[52:55] that his friend

[52:55] is in jail,

[52:57] like that's something.

[52:58] That his other friend

[52:58] gets hurt,

[52:59] but these are not,

[53:00] they don't really go

[53:00] to the heart of who he is.

[53:01] And the real personal stakes

[53:02] are the presidents,

[53:03] that he's doing all this

[53:04] because he doesn't want

[53:05] his daughter to keep

[53:06] thinking of him

[53:07] as a monster.

[53:08] And so it was like,

[53:09] this movie in a lot of ways

[53:10] is really about

[53:11] President Ross,

[53:12] and Captain America

[53:13] and the Falcon

[53:13] are there to,

[53:15] I guess,

[53:15] push the story forward,

[53:16] and it feels like

[53:17] it's the center of the movie

[53:17] is not in the right place,

[53:19] you know,

[53:19] for what being asked for.

[53:20] And I think that's part of it.

[53:21] And also that the conspiracy

[53:23] is not that interesting.

[53:25] In Winter Soldier,

[53:25] it's a lot about,

[53:26] they're covering up this thing

[53:27] that's been going on

[53:28] for a long time.

[53:29] And like,

[53:30] it feels like the ground

[53:31] is really dropping out of him

[53:32] because how long

[53:33] has this been going on?

[53:34] Whereas here,

[53:34] it's like,

[53:35] kind of a dumb plan.

[53:36] It's a new thing

[53:37] that the whole thing

[53:38] is just to make

[53:38] the president look bad.

[53:40] You know,

[53:40] it feels like the stakes

[53:41] are very low,

[53:42] you know.

[53:43] That's my off the dome diagnosis.

[53:46] You guys,

[53:46] now it's time for your rebuttal.

[53:48] Tell me why I'm wrong.

Dan McCoy

[53:50] Um,

[53:50] you look dumb.

[53:52] Oh man,

[53:53] you got me.

[53:54] I do look dumb.

Stuart Wellington

[53:56] So Captain America

[53:58] confronts-

[53:58] Another point

[53:59] for debating Dan McCoy.

[54:00] No,

[54:01] now I feel bad.

[54:01] You look great.

[54:03] No,

[54:03] I look okay.

[54:04] He confronts the president

[54:05] about his ties

[54:06] to Samuel Stearns.

[54:08] He claims that

[54:09] the reason he takes

[54:10] these pills

[54:10] is he,

[54:12] it has to do

[54:12] with some kind of

[54:13] heart condition

[54:14] that is unspecified.

[54:16] Um,

[54:17] and-

[54:17] It's the only heart,

Elliott Kalan

[54:18] the heart condition

[54:18] that can only be saved

[54:19] by being a little bit

[54:20] of a Hulk.

[54:21] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[54:22] Um,

[54:22] while he's visiting,

[54:24] uh,

[54:24] Joaquin in the hospital,

[54:25] we see Bucky again,

[54:27] who is running

[54:28] for office.

[54:29] We will later find out.

[54:30] I believe he wins,

[54:31] right?

[54:32] He is a senator,

[54:32] right?

[54:33] By the,

[54:33] uh,

[54:33] Thunderbolts.

[54:34] Yeah.

[54:34] Do we,

[54:35] oh,

Elliott Kalan

[54:35] is he,

[54:35] is he a senator

[54:36] or a representative?

Stuart Wellington

[54:37] I don't remember.

[54:38] I mean,

[54:38] it doesn't matter,

[54:39] but I think-

[54:39] He's in Congress.

Elliott Kalan

[54:40] Again,

[54:40] the idea that he wins

[54:42] after decades

[54:43] being a Soviet assassin

[54:44] is,

[54:45] is silly,

[54:46] but whatever.

[54:46] I would,

[54:47] I would buy that kind of silliness.

[54:48] Again,

Dan McCoy

[54:48] look at,

Elliott Kalan

[54:49] look at who's,

[54:50] yeah,

[54:50] that's true.

[54:50] Thank you.

[54:51] Well,

[54:51] actually,

[54:52] I think it would disqualify him

[54:53] that he has actual military service

[54:55] as opposed to

[54:56] many of the people

[54:57] in the government now,

[54:58] but,

[54:58] uh,

[54:58] the,

[54:59] some of them have military service.

[55:00] They're just bad people.

[55:01] Um,

[55:02] but I think I would buy

[55:03] that silliness more

[55:04] if this movie was a little okay

[55:06] with snake villains.

[55:07] It all,

[55:07] I feel like if you had real snake villains,

[55:09] so much of this movie feels different,

[55:11] looks different,

[55:12] is cooler.

[55:12] I'm like,

[55:13] sure,

[55:13] Bucky Barnes is running for Congress.

[55:15] Why not?

[55:15] There's fucking snake men running around.

[55:16] Who cares?

Stuart Wellington

[55:17] Throw snake men in there.

[55:17] And honestly,

[55:19] if you're going to have the leader in there,

[55:20] you're going to have Red Hulk

[55:21] and you,

[55:22] and General Ross,

[55:23] you should have Bruce Banner in there

[55:25] at least a little bit,

[55:26] right?

[55:26] Have the Hulk show up at some point

[55:27] or explain why the Hulk is not involved

[55:30] in this story.

Elliott Kalan

[55:31] You know,

[55:31] I think,

[55:31] I think they should have had Red,

[55:33] they should have the president

[55:33] become Red Hulk in the middle

[55:34] and a lot of the rest of the movie

[55:35] should have been the chase

[55:37] after the Red Hulk,

[55:38] you know,

[55:38] and like they gotta,

[55:39] they gotta get him or stop him

[55:40] or something like that.

[55:41] That feels like a more fun,

[55:41] and the Serpent Society

[55:42] is trying to get him.

[55:43] He's on his way to Japan

[55:44] to blow up all of Japan.

[55:45] And the Serpent Society

[55:46] want to turn him into Snake Hulk

[55:47] and that's why they gotta stop him.

Dan McCoy

[55:49] It's not that it's super important

[55:51] and there's probably been a throwaway.

Elliott Kalan

[55:53] Superman is coming out,

[55:54] you know,

[55:54] it's out in theaters now,

[55:55] Dan,

[55:55] so that's super important,

[55:56] yeah.

[55:56] Uh-huh.

[55:57] Not that it-

[55:58] You meant Captain important.

[56:00] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[56:01] Not that it's Captain important,

[56:02] but maybe it's been addressed

[56:05] in like a throwaway line,

[56:07] like where is the Hulk right now?

[56:08] Like what's he up to?

[56:09] I don't think they mention him

[56:10] at all in the movie.

[56:11] Yeah,

[56:12] it's like post,

[56:12] uh,

[56:13] all the,

[56:15] like post-

[56:15] He Hulk.

[56:16] What did he do in She-Hulk?

[56:17] Because I didn't watch that either.

Stuart Wellington

[56:18] Uh,

[56:18] he kind of hung out

[56:19] and he talked to,

[56:20] uh,

[56:21] his cousin a little bit.

Dan McCoy

[56:22] You know,

[56:23] he was like,

[56:23] this is the deal with being a Hulk.

[56:25] I'm your Hulk guide,

[56:27] you know.

[56:27] Yeah.

[56:27] Do a little like,

Stuart Wellington

[56:28] walk like a man.

[56:30] That kind of a scene.

[56:31] Walk stomp like a Hulk.

[56:33] Smash like a Hulk.

[56:34] Yeah,

[56:34] exactly.

[56:35] And,

[56:35] I,

[56:36] I like that She-Hulk show.

[56:38] I like it too.

[56:38] It's one of the better ones.

[56:39] I should watch it sometime.

Elliott Kalan

[56:40] I never got around to it,

[56:41] but I should watch it.

Stuart Wellington

[56:41] Uh,

[56:42] I'm warning you,

[56:42] Elliot,

[56:42] like the comic book.

[56:44] It's a comedy.

[56:45] Yeah.

[56:45] What?

[56:46] All these nerds on the internet

Dan McCoy

[56:48] were very angry

[56:49] to discover that.

Elliott Kalan

[56:51] Um,

[56:52] I hate it when,

[56:52] I hate it when nerds on the internet

[56:53] liked it.

[56:54] I hate it when nerds on the internet

[56:55] are like,

[56:56] can you believe they did this

[56:57] to this character

[56:58] and they're,

[56:58] they're the idiots.

[56:59] They're the ones who are unaware of

[57:00] how that character's functioned

[57:02] for the past 30 years.

[57:03] I mean,

[57:03] speedy of Superman.

Elliott Kalan

[57:03] Yeah,

[57:04] speedy of Superman.

[57:04] Well,

[57:04] the idea,

[57:05] this is the craziest thing.

[57:06] This is not what,

[57:06] I'm doing a mini in a little,

[57:08] in a couple weeks,

[57:08] but this is not the mini

[57:09] that I want to do.

[57:10] But the idea that they're like,

[57:11] now we're getting a woke Superman

[57:13] who's like an immigrant refugee

[57:14] and fights for the poorest among us.

[57:17] And it's like,

[57:17] have you ever read a Superman comic?

[57:18] Like,

[57:19] this is baked in from 1938.

Stuart Wellington

[57:21] Like,

[57:21] come on.

[57:21] My father-in-law said that on Thursday.

[57:24] He's like,

[57:24] I hear this Superman's woke now.

[57:26] I'm like,

[57:26] I fucking hope so.

[57:28] It's like,

[57:28] Superman's earliest adventures

Elliott Kalan

[57:30] were literally beating up landlords

[57:32] that were overcharging people.

[57:33] Like,

[57:33] come on.

[57:34] Like,

[57:34] this is,

[57:35] the idea that these,

[57:36] I mean,

[57:37] it's just,

[57:37] I mean,

[57:37] they don't care.

[57:38] It's just,

[57:39] they make these complaints for money

[57:40] because it gets attention

[57:41] But the idea that like,

[57:42] yeah,

[57:42] the character was created by

[57:43] the sons of Jewish immigrants

[57:45] who were poor in the 30s

[57:47] is woke.

[57:48] Like,

[57:48] can we believe it?

[57:49] What's going on here?

[57:50] It's just so dumb.

[57:50] Anyway.

Stuart Wellington

[57:51] So Samuel Stearns kills D-Man.

[57:54] So that must have bummed you out.

Elliott Kalan

[57:56] I was almost as sad

[57:57] as when D-Man died

[57:58] in the real comics.

[57:59] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[57:59] Maybe,

[57:59] maybe this is the,

[58:00] the crucible

[58:01] in which D-Man is forged

[58:03] and comes back stronger

[58:04] and D-Man.

Elliott Kalan

[58:05] Yeah.

[58:05] I thought we wanted him

[58:06] to become Demolition Man.

[58:07] Yeah.

[58:07] Or destroy,

[58:08] whatever his name is.

Stuart Wellington

[58:09] Okay.

[58:09] And then the,

[58:11] after a brief conversation

[58:12] with Captain America,

[58:14] Samuel Stearns is arrested

[58:15] by the police

[58:16] because he,

[58:17] this is all part of his plan,

[58:19] all part of his master plan.

[58:20] Meanwhile,

[58:21] the president is giving

[58:22] a press conference

[58:23] and people are actually

[58:24] like holding him accountable.

[58:26] What's that like?

[58:27] And of course,

[58:28] that,

[58:28] everybody starts wrestling him

[58:30] and he wrestles back

Elliott Kalan

[58:32] and then he becomes Hulk.

[58:33] This was one of the stranger,

[58:34] that he's like,

[58:35] gets really mad

[58:36] and he's like,

[58:36] and they start grappling with him.

[58:39] And the Secret Service,

[58:40] it was weird.

[58:41] As soon as he turns into the Hulk,

[58:42] they,

[58:42] before he even smashes anything,

[58:44] they immediately start

[58:45] shooting guns at him.

[58:45] And I'm like,

[58:46] when you're a Secret Service agent,

[58:48] I feel like you shouldn't be

[58:49] shooting at the president

[58:50] even when he's a Hulk.

[58:51] Like,

[58:52] maybe make him do something

[58:53] dangerous first,

[58:53] but it was,

[58:54] how quickly he went in their minds

[58:56] from president to Hulk

[58:57] seemed very unprofessional

[58:58] for the Secret Service.

[58:58] And also,

Stuart Wellington

[58:59] like,

[58:59] president to,

[59:00] like,

[59:01] Hulk,

[59:01] like,

[59:02] guns wouldn't work on that guy either.

[59:04] He's the Hulk.

[59:04] That's true,

[59:05] yeah.

[59:05] And also,

[59:06] famously,

[59:06] he doesn't get killed by guns.

Dan McCoy

[59:07] I mean,

[59:08] I know the Hulk is,

[59:09] you know,

[59:10] we all know Hulk smash,

[59:11] but,

[59:12] but the Hulk,

[59:13] the last time we saw him,

[59:14] did help,

[59:15] you know,

[59:15] save the world.

[59:16] So,

[59:17] But this Hulk is red,

[59:18] Dan.

[59:18] He's red,

[59:19] maybe this is a good Hulk

Stuart Wellington

[59:21] who,

[59:21] when he hulks out,

[59:22] his clothes burn off.

[59:24] Yeah.

[59:25] Did he see,

[59:25] like,

[59:25] his clothes burn off?

[59:26] Yeah,

[59:26] he like hot fire.

Elliott Kalan

[59:27] The power of the rage inside of him

[59:29] burns off his clothes.

[59:30] Okay,

Stuart Wellington

[59:30] so.

[59:31] Except for the little bit

[59:32] around his tush

Elliott Kalan

[59:33] and his penis.

[59:34] Don't worry,

[59:34] that's not hot enough,

Stuart Wellington

[59:36] you know,

[59:36] to get it to be burned off.

[59:37] this is not 28 years later.

[59:38] That sounds pretty hot to me.

[59:40] So,

[59:41] so the Hulk has a little bit

[59:43] of a rampage.

[59:43] He destroys a bunch of stuff

[59:44] around there.

[59:45] There's a podium in front of him.

Elliott Kalan

[59:47] The whole time I was like,

[59:47] when's he gonna just wipe that,

[59:48] slap that,

[59:49] podium away.

[59:50] Oh,

[59:50] there he goes.

[59:50] Okay,

[59:51] good.

Stuart Wellington

[59:51] And he,

[59:53] Captain America messes with him.

[59:55] He starts,

[59:56] he keeps throwing these,

[59:57] like,

[59:57] vibranium blades

[59:59] out of his wings.

[1:00:00] And I'm like,

[1:00:01] those little blades

[1:00:02] have to be so expensive,

[1:00:03] right?

[1:00:03] Yeah.

[1:00:03] They're like little bits of,

[1:00:04] is somebody going and picking them all up?

[1:00:06] I mean,

[1:00:07] and they stole that from Archangel.

[1:00:08] That's Archangel's thing.

[1:00:09] That's Archangel's thing.

[1:00:10] Are his wings vibranium

[1:00:12] or adamantium?

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:13] You know what?

[1:00:14] That's a good question.

[1:00:14] I don't know.

[1:00:15] There's some alien metal

[1:00:17] that Apocalypse uses.

[1:00:19] So they could be,

[1:00:20] who knows what they are.

[1:00:21] I'll look it up.

[1:00:21] You keep talking about this.

[1:00:22] I'll look up what Archangel's wings

[1:00:25] made of.

[1:00:25] Yes.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:26] Yeah.

[1:00:27] What's Warren Worthington III's wings made of?

[1:00:30] So he,

[1:00:32] Captain America leads Hulk away from people.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:34] Oh,

[1:00:35] okay.

[1:00:35] So they're made out of some kind of

[1:00:37] techno-organic metal.

[1:00:38] Oh,

[1:00:39] I'm an idiot.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:40] Okay.

[1:00:41] So he leads the Red Hulk away.

[1:00:43] They end up in a...

[1:00:45] Oh,

[1:00:45] wait.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:46] According to Google,

[1:00:47] sometimes it's described as adamantium

[1:00:50] or a similar metal.

[1:00:51] So I think there's,

[1:00:51] I think it's a,

[1:00:52] I think there's a controversy

[1:00:53] over what kind of metal it's made out of.

Dan McCoy

[1:00:56] Yeah.

[1:00:56] Or it could just be Google AI lying to us

[1:00:58] as it wants to do.

[1:01:00] That's also possible too.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:01] So it could be adamantium.

[1:01:02] Anyway,

[1:01:02] the point is those,

[1:01:04] those blades would be super expensive.

[1:01:05] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:06] Yeah.

[1:01:06] So,

[1:01:07] uh,

[1:01:08] Hulk,

[1:01:08] uh,

[1:01:09] Hulk chases Captain America

[1:01:11] to a field of cherry blossoms

[1:01:13] where they battle for a little while

[1:01:15] and having been playing a lot of Elden Ring lately

[1:01:17] and some other,

[1:01:18] uh,

[1:01:18] Souls-like games.

[1:01:19] This reminds me a lot of those Souls-like fights

[1:01:22] where there's a lot of dodging

[1:01:23] this winged giant guy

[1:01:24] who's swinging

[1:01:25] and occasionally blocking.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:26] I basically enjoyed this part.

[1:01:27] This is what you were,

[1:01:28] uh,

[1:01:28] asking for earlier,

[1:01:29] Elliot,

[1:01:29] a truly big guy

[1:01:31] going up against a guy

[1:01:32] without actual powers.

[1:01:33] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:34] And I think this is,

[1:01:35] by far,

[1:01:35] this was for me

[1:01:36] the most fun part of the movie

[1:01:37] is when it's Captain America

[1:01:39] versus the Hulk

[1:01:39] and they're at the cherry blossom,

[1:01:41] the famous DC cherry blossoms

[1:01:43] and it's like,

[1:01:45] great,

[1:01:45] this is a cool location.

[1:01:46] It's a cool,

[1:01:47] these are cool characters.

[1:01:48] I think they could have had,

[1:01:50] even if you're not going to ruin

[1:01:51] the excitement of Captain America

[1:01:52] fighting a really big guy,

[1:01:53] that guy in the beginning

[1:01:54] could have been a little bigger

[1:01:55] or had maybe snake powers,

[1:01:57] something to make him more

[1:01:57] than just like a dude.

[1:01:59] Thank you.

[1:01:59] But,

[1:02:00] but I think the,

[1:02:01] the,

[1:02:02] I think that this is the best part

[1:02:03] of the movie for me

[1:02:04] is,

[1:02:04] is it lived,

[1:02:05] this part actually lived up

[1:02:06] to a little bit of my hopes for it

[1:02:08] where it's like

[1:02:08] Captain America versus this big,

[1:02:10] this big red Hulk,

[1:02:11] you know.

[1:02:11] So they have a fight.

[1:02:12] I found it very distracting

[1:02:13] that his Harrison Ford's face though.

[1:02:15] Did you guys find that,

[1:02:15] even though knowing he's the character?

[1:02:17] Whose face should it have?

[1:02:18] I don't,

[1:02:19] even the Mark Ruffalo Hulk,

[1:02:20] like it looks a little bit like him,

[1:02:22] but not just like him.

[1:02:23] This,

[1:02:23] this looked just like Harrison Ford to me.

[1:02:26] So it felt strange.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:28] Yeah,

[1:02:28] he's naturally Hulk.

[1:02:30] It's like a lot of fan art

[1:02:32] that I've done over the years,

[1:02:34] you know.

[1:02:34] Harrison Ford,

[1:02:35] like really strong.

[1:02:38] Yeah,

[1:02:38] and red.

[1:02:39] And his feet are giant.

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:41] Yeah,

[1:02:41] really giant feet.

[1:02:42] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:43] Uh-huh.

[1:02:43] So they,

[1:02:44] but in yours,

[1:02:45] he's usually making love

[1:02:45] to Sonic the Hedgehog.

[1:02:47] That's right.

[1:02:48] Uh-huh.

[1:02:49] He's the bomb though.

[1:02:50] That's what's crazy.

[1:02:51] Because it really is.

[1:02:52] It's sensual.

[1:02:53] I mean,

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:53] the way he does it is very sensual.

[1:02:54] The way you draw it is very sensual

[1:02:55] and the way you show Shrek watching them

[1:02:57] adds to the sensuality of it.

[1:02:58] Yeah.

[1:02:59] As Shrek holds hands

[1:03:00] with the green M&M.

[1:03:01] Yeah,

[1:03:01] it really adds to the sensuality of it.

[1:03:04] Are they watching through a window

[1:03:05] or from the doorway?

[1:03:06] No,

[1:03:06] no,

[1:03:06] they're sitting in,

[1:03:06] they're sitting in twin bathtubs.

[1:03:08] They're sitting in twin bathtubs

[1:03:10] holding hands

[1:03:11] watching this happen

[1:03:12] on a bed that's covered in

[1:03:13] cherry blossom petals.

[1:03:15] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:16] Guys,

[1:03:16] I don't need to reveal anything,

[1:03:18] but the green M&M's

[1:03:19] on my,

[1:03:20] on my whole past list.

Dan McCoy

[1:03:22] Well,

[1:03:23] I mean,

[1:03:23] I just feel like that's a pretty safe one

[1:03:24] for Charlene.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:26] I mean,

[1:03:26] I don't even know how you

[1:03:27] get your penis into her.

[1:03:28] She's got a candy shell.

[1:03:29] I'll figure it out.

[1:03:33] So,

[1:03:34] geez louise.

[1:03:36] So we,

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:36] we get,

[1:03:37] I never,

[1:03:38] I didn't think that the Captain America

[1:03:39] Brave New World episode

[1:03:39] would somehow be the filthiest

[1:03:41] Flop House episode in years,

[1:03:42] I think.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:43] So we get,

[1:03:44] we get the big moment

[1:03:45] where Captain America

[1:03:47] spears the Hulk

[1:03:48] with his super strong wing

[1:03:50] and then it explodes

[1:03:51] with all the pent up

[1:03:52] kinetic energy

[1:03:53] it's absorbed.

[1:03:54] Tossing them both aside,

[1:03:56] we think maybe

[1:03:57] this has stopped the Hulk,

[1:03:58] but in fact,

[1:03:58] he is still going.

[1:04:00] Sam gets up

[1:04:01] and he just approaches the Hulk

[1:04:02] and he convinces him

[1:04:04] that,

[1:04:05] remember,

[1:04:05] you keep talking about

[1:04:06] these cherry blossoms

[1:04:07] and how you want to take your daughter

[1:04:08] Liv Tyler to see them.

[1:04:10] Let's do,

[1:04:10] let's just do this shit.

[1:04:12] And he's like,

[1:04:12] you know what,

[1:04:13] you're right.

[1:04:13] And he melts

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:14] and becomes Harrison Ford.

[1:04:15] He off camera melts

[1:04:16] and becomes,

[1:04:17] yeah,

[1:04:17] we just see a shadow,

[1:04:18] but yeah,

[1:04:18] the president's whole motivation

[1:04:20] the entire movie is

[1:04:21] I need to show my daughter

[1:04:22] who won't talk to me

[1:04:23] that I'm not a bad guy.

[1:04:24] So that's why I'm creating a treaty.

[1:04:26] That's why I'm trying

[1:04:27] to do good things,

[1:04:27] that kind of stuff.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:28] So just get to him.

[1:04:29] And,

[1:04:29] you know,

[1:04:30] we don't really get into it much,

[1:04:32] which is odd

[1:04:33] because like this would be

[1:04:34] the sort of central irony

[1:04:35] of the whole thing.

[1:04:37] She thinks he's a bad guy

[1:04:38] because he,

[1:04:39] you know,

[1:04:40] he chased the Hulk.

[1:04:43] He like bedeviled the Hulk

[1:04:45] who was her boyfriend,

[1:04:47] you know,

[1:04:47] and the fact that

[1:04:48] then he turns into a Hulk himself.

[1:04:50] It seems like that would be,

[1:04:52] there'd be more hay made

[1:04:53] of that fact,

[1:04:54] but I guess they figured,

[1:04:56] not wrong,

[1:04:57] that like,

[1:04:57] well,

[1:04:58] that happened a long time ago.

[1:04:59] People aren't really,

[1:05:00] that's not foremost

[1:05:01] in the MCU fans' minds.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:02] I think,

[1:05:03] I think they,

[1:05:03] I think they're expecting

[1:05:05] the audiences

[1:05:05] to connect the dots

[1:05:07] on that one.

Dan McCoy

[1:05:08] Yeah,

[1:05:08] I guess.

[1:05:09] It's just,

[1:05:09] I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:10] As Nietzsche said,

[1:05:11] if you go hunting hulks,

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:12] you risk becoming a Hulk,

[1:05:13] you know?

[1:05:13] Mm-hmm.

[1:05:15] So,

[1:05:16] okay,

[1:05:16] then we got,

[1:05:17] we got some wrap up here.

[1:05:19] Let's see.

[1:05:20] Nope,

[1:05:20] that's not the card.

[1:05:21] Wrap up,

[1:05:22] nope,

[1:05:22] that's not the card.

[1:05:23] Okay.

[1:05:23] It's one of those two

[1:05:24] that are a separate pile.

[1:05:25] so,

[1:05:25] Captain America goes

[1:05:28] to talk to Joaquin

[1:05:29] who's recovering

[1:05:29] in the hospital

[1:05:30] and he basically extends

[1:05:31] an invitation

[1:05:32] to a formation

[1:05:33] of the Avengers.

[1:05:36] Meanwhile,

[1:05:37] Ross has been interred

[1:05:38] into the raft,

[1:05:40] the super prison

[1:05:41] out in the ocean.

[1:05:42] Mm-hmm.

[1:05:43] He,

[1:05:44] he gets a visit

[1:05:45] from his daughter,

[1:05:46] he gets a visit

[1:05:47] from Sam

[1:05:48] and we learn

[1:05:49] that there,

[1:05:50] that there has been peace.

[1:05:52] We don't know

[1:05:53] who is the new president.

[1:05:54] Is it a Hulk?

[1:05:55] Maybe.

[1:05:56] Probably not,

[1:05:57] but you never know.

[1:05:59] And then finally,

[1:06:00] in a post-credits scene

[1:06:01] which I actually watched,

[1:06:03] guys.

[1:06:03] Wow, wow.

[1:06:04] Look,

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:04] hey,

[1:06:04] all of us can change.

[1:06:05] Some of us become hulks

[1:06:06] when they change.

[1:06:07] Others of us

[1:06:07] become good pondcasters.

[1:06:10] He,

[1:06:11] It sounded like you said

[1:06:12] pondcasters to me

[1:06:13] for a moment.

[1:06:13] It just means that

[1:06:14] you're fishing in a pond.

[1:06:15] Uh-huh,

[1:06:15] yeah.

[1:06:16] So,

[1:06:17] in the post-credits scene,

[1:06:19] Sam goes to the raft

[1:06:21] and visits the leader

[1:06:22] who basically just talks

[1:06:24] about multiverses

[1:06:25] and this,

[1:06:26] of course,

[1:06:26] is when they're,

[1:06:27] they're trying to bring up

[1:06:28] the idea of multiverses

[1:06:29] so that we remember

[1:06:31] the fact that that's all

[1:06:32] they've been talking about

[1:06:33] for the last however many movies,

[1:06:34] which is,

[1:06:35] I'm sure,

[1:06:36] this is Stuart's little,

[1:06:37] this is Stuart's little theory corner.

[1:06:39] I'm sure that's what's going to happen

[1:06:41] in the Avengers Doomsday movie

[1:06:43] is that Robert Downey Jr.

[1:06:44] is coming back

[1:06:45] because in some other dimensions,

[1:06:46] Tony Stark,

[1:06:47] he is Doctor Doom

[1:06:48] and not Iron Man.

[1:06:50] I'm 100% sure of that.

[1:06:51] If I'm wrong,

[1:06:52] I will be shocked.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:53] No,

[1:06:53] I'm sure that's the case.

[1:06:54] I mean,

[1:06:54] what he's particularly

[1:06:55] leading up to is,

[1:06:56] because I think the new Marvel stuff

[1:06:57] is based on the

[1:06:58] most recent Secret Wars thing,

[1:07:00] is this,

[1:07:01] that Jonathan Hickman did,

[1:07:02] where I think what they're doing

[1:07:03] is what they did in the comics there,

[1:07:04] where not just are there multiverses,

[1:07:06] but the multiverses

[1:07:07] are starting to merge together

[1:07:09] in what are called incursions,

[1:07:10] and so when two worlds

[1:07:12] are about to incur,

[1:07:13] one of them has to be destroyed,

[1:07:14] and in that series,

[1:07:15] the secret Illuminati

[1:07:17] that's made up

[1:07:17] of a bunch of Marvel characters,

[1:07:19] they start destroying

[1:07:20] these other worlds.

[1:07:21] Are they Snakemen?

[1:07:22] They're not Snakemen,

[1:07:22] no,

[1:07:23] it's like Doctor Strange

[1:07:24] and Professor X

[1:07:24] and, you know,

[1:07:25] Namor or whatever,

[1:07:26] and Black Panther.

[1:07:28] They start destroying

[1:07:29] these other worlds

[1:07:29] before they can endanger our Earth,

[1:07:32] and so I think you're right

[1:07:33] that it's going to be

[1:07:34] some alternate world

[1:07:35] where Tony Stark

[1:07:36] became Doctor Doom.

[1:07:37] Very disappointing.

[1:07:38] I want Doctor Doom

[1:07:38] to have an Eastern European accent.

[1:07:40] I want him to be

[1:07:40] the monarch of Liberia,

[1:07:42] but maybe he will be.

[1:07:43] Maybe, I don't know.

[1:07:43] Maybe he will be doing that,

[1:07:45] you know,

[1:07:45] but I think...

[1:07:46] We can hope.

[1:07:47] When he's like,

[1:07:48] when these threats come

[1:07:49] from other worlds,

[1:07:50] Captain America,

[1:07:51] like, I think that's

[1:07:52] what he's talking about,

[1:07:53] particularly, specifically.

[1:07:54] Yeah.

[1:07:55] Okay.

[1:07:56] And Doom,

[1:07:57] in the Secret Wars comic,

[1:07:58] eventually Doom,

[1:07:59] like, put a bunch of worlds

[1:08:00] together into its,

[1:08:01] into the last surviving world,

[1:08:02] and I bet that'll be

[1:08:03] what they do with it.

[1:08:04] It was not a story

[1:08:05] that I loved,

[1:08:05] particularly.

Stuart Wellington

[1:08:07] Let's...

[1:08:07] Sounds like a very

[1:08:08] Jonathan Hickman story.

[1:08:09] It's a very

[1:08:10] Jonathan Hickman story.

[1:08:11] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:08:12] Let's do our final judgments

[1:08:14] on Captain America,

[1:08:16] Brave New World.

[1:08:17] Is this a good,

[1:08:17] good, mad movie?

[1:08:19] A good, bad movie?

[1:08:20] A bad, bad movie?

[1:08:22] This movie's good and mad.

[1:08:24] I mean,

[1:08:25] it's got a Red Hulk in it.

[1:08:26] Or a movie

[1:08:26] we kind of liked.

[1:08:29] Here's the thing.

[1:08:29] I saw this

[1:08:31] in the theater.

[1:08:35] Even though I had heard

[1:08:36] it was not

[1:08:37] that great.

[1:08:38] But I

[1:08:39] am that bought into

[1:08:41] seeing these things

[1:08:43] that I went out,

[1:08:45] had a little movie

[1:08:46] pick me up,

[1:08:47] and knowing,

[1:08:48] walking in,

[1:08:48] that it was not

[1:08:48] going to be that great,

[1:08:49] I kind of liked it.

[1:08:51] Just because it was like,

[1:08:52] well,

[1:08:53] yeah,

[1:08:53] I'm seeing some

[1:08:54] of my old friends again.

[1:08:55] They're doing stuff.

[1:09:00] Rewatching it at home,

[1:09:02] it was a real slog,

[1:09:05] but I don't think

[1:09:06] any of us

[1:09:08] in this world,

[1:09:09] other than

[1:09:10] bad movie podcasters,

[1:09:11] are going to make the choice

[1:09:12] to watch this movie twice.

[1:09:14] So,

[1:09:15] I'll still,

[1:09:16] I have to go with my

[1:09:17] initial assessment

[1:09:18] that it's a movie

[1:09:19] I kind of liked,

[1:09:21] but it is

[1:09:21] near the floor

[1:09:23] of these movies

[1:09:24] for me.

Stuart Wellington

[1:09:26] Yeah,

[1:09:27] I think that's right.

[1:09:28] I mean,

[1:09:29] I think it,

[1:09:29] it doesn't kind of,

[1:09:30] it doesn't help

[1:09:31] that this is part of

[1:09:32] a number of movies

[1:09:34] that I've watched

[1:09:34] recent,

[1:09:35] like recent action movies

[1:09:36] where they have,

[1:09:37] where the president

[1:09:39] is involved

[1:09:40] in some kind of action

[1:09:41] or something,

[1:09:42] whether the president

[1:09:42] is,

[1:09:43] you know,

[1:09:44] like Viola Davis

[1:09:45] or the president

[1:09:46] is John Cena

[1:09:47] or the president

[1:09:48] is a Hulk.

[1:09:49] In all these cases,

[1:09:50] I'm like,

[1:09:50] I would rather

[1:09:51] that president

[1:09:52] be my president.

[1:09:54] And I,

[1:09:55] yeah,

[1:09:56] so,

[1:09:57] but yeah,

[1:09:57] I mean,

[1:09:57] I feel like

[1:09:58] of the Marvel movies,

[1:09:59] this is probably

[1:10:00] the one

[1:10:01] that has felt

[1:10:01] the least,

[1:10:03] like,

[1:10:03] this one has felt

[1:10:05] the most joyless

[1:10:06] of all them,

[1:10:07] maybe.

[1:10:08] I think partly,

[1:10:10] you know,

[1:10:10] it's,

[1:10:11] it obviously

[1:10:12] was edited to death

[1:10:13] and it just doesn't feel

[1:10:14] like,

[1:10:15] it doesn't feel

[1:10:16] very fun

[1:10:16] and despite the fact

[1:10:17] there's a giant person

[1:10:18] and a Hulk

[1:10:19] running around,

[1:10:19] it doesn't feel like,

[1:10:21] it doesn't feel

[1:10:21] very special,

[1:10:22] like there's no

[1:10:23] special moments

[1:10:24] and they ignore

[1:10:26] kind of one of the

[1:10:26] key tenets

[1:10:27] of the,

[1:10:29] of these

[1:10:30] Marvel movies,

[1:10:31] which is one of the

[1:10:32] things that's been

[1:10:32] so successful

[1:10:33] is leaning into,

[1:10:35] keying into

[1:10:35] what makes a character

[1:10:36] a certain amount

[1:10:37] of wish fulfillment

[1:10:38] for a person.

[1:10:39] Like,

[1:10:40] Thor is like a big,

[1:10:41] dumb,

[1:10:41] strong guy

[1:10:41] who gets to

[1:10:42] kind of do

[1:10:42] whatever he wants

[1:10:43] and have fun.

[1:10:44] Tony Stark

[1:10:44] is the smartest

[1:10:45] man in the room

[1:10:45] all the time,

[1:10:46] that sort of thing.

[1:10:47] Captain America

[1:10:47] is this guy

[1:10:48] who's out of time

[1:10:49] and is also,

[1:10:50] like,

[1:10:51] super strong

[1:10:51] and,

[1:10:51] like,

[1:10:52] is super capable

[1:10:53] of doing things.

[1:10:53] And I feel like

[1:10:54] Sam doesn't,

[1:10:56] they don't do

[1:10:56] enough stuff

[1:10:57] to make him

[1:10:58] fun,

[1:11:00] like,

[1:11:00] to make him

[1:11:01] the lead.

[1:11:02] And I think

[1:11:03] there's space there.

[1:11:04] I mean,

[1:11:04] we've talked about

[1:11:05] how,

[1:11:06] like,

[1:11:06] I think if they

[1:11:06] leaned more

[1:11:07] into the fact

[1:11:07] that he's just,

[1:11:08] like,

[1:11:08] effectively a regular

[1:11:09] guy in this crazy

[1:11:10] world and he's

[1:11:11] just doing his best,

[1:11:13] that's a much more

[1:11:14] interesting take

[1:11:15] on the character

[1:11:15] that they could

[1:11:16] lean into,

[1:11:17] I think,

[1:11:17] more.

[1:11:18] But yeah,

[1:11:19] this is,

[1:11:19] I would,

[1:11:20] it's tough to say,

[1:11:21] I guess this is a movie

[1:11:21] I kind of like

[1:11:22] because these things

[1:11:23] are all,

[1:11:23] like,

[1:11:24] fine.

[1:11:24] Like,

[1:11:25] the base level

[1:11:25] of quality

[1:11:26] is higher than

[1:11:27] a lot of things

[1:11:28] we watch.

[1:11:29] And it wasn't

[1:11:30] quite as,

[1:11:32] it wasn't the,

[1:11:33] like,

[1:11:33] visual mess

[1:11:34] that Quantumania

[1:11:35] was.

[1:11:37] So I guess

[1:11:37] it was fine,

[1:11:38] whatever.

[1:11:40] I mean,

[1:11:41] I would call it,

[1:11:41] a rousing endorsement.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:42] I would,

[1:11:42] I would call it

[1:11:43] bad,

[1:11:44] bad,

[1:11:44] but kind of

[1:11:44] for the same reasons.

[1:11:45] I find it kind of bland

[1:11:46] and just kind of functional

[1:11:47] and kind of dull.

[1:11:49] And it is the,

[1:11:50] I think the Marvel movie

[1:11:51] that made the least

[1:11:52] impression of me.

[1:11:53] Say what you'll

Dan McCoy

[1:11:53] about Quantumania.

[1:11:55] We did,

[1:11:55] we did a whole podcast

[1:11:56] about it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:56] It at least made

[1:11:57] an impression on me.

[1:11:58] Whereas this one,

[1:11:58] it was like,

[1:11:59] all right,

Dan McCoy

[1:11:59] yeah,

[1:12:00] they made this.

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:01] Yeah,

[1:12:01] like this happened.

[1:12:02] And it feels like

[1:12:03] it is a,

[1:12:04] almost,

[1:12:04] even as they're making it,

[1:12:06] it feels like

[1:12:07] they are not,

[1:12:07] they're not trying

[1:12:08] to make it

[1:12:09] more than unforgettable,

[1:12:10] more than forgettable.

[1:12:12] It's the 35th one.

[1:12:14] Like at a certain point,

[1:12:15] I feel like

[1:12:15] this is at the,

[1:12:17] this is the point

[1:12:17] where if I was

[1:12:18] a Marvel executive

[1:12:19] or a Disney executive,

[1:12:20] I would be like,

[1:12:21] okay,

[1:12:21] I think we're,

[1:12:21] we're running out

[1:12:22] of special.

[1:12:23] So let's like

[1:12:24] take five years off

[1:12:25] from making these.

[1:12:26] And then we can come back

[1:12:28] with something special,

[1:12:28] you know.

[1:12:29] It's not,

[1:12:30] if you watch it,

[1:12:31] it's not like it's a,

[1:12:32] it's a terrible worst movie

[1:12:33] ever made or anything,

[1:12:34] but it's just kind of,

[1:12:35] while you're watching it,

[1:12:36] you're like,

[1:12:36] all right,

[1:12:36] like I don't really see

[1:12:37] the purpose for any of this

[1:12:38] other than to keep,

[1:12:39] keep the brand going.

[1:12:41] So I'm going to say bad,

[1:12:42] bad,

[1:12:42] but it's not,

[1:12:42] but I've seen worse

[1:12:43] bad,

[1:12:44] bad movies than this one.

[1:12:47] I've seen worse

[1:12:48] Raves Elliot of the Flophouse.

[1:12:55] Are you a celebrity?

S4

[1:12:56] Are you searching for meaning,

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S5

[1:13:34] Walking About

[1:13:35] is the podcast

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[1:13:38] It's a walkumentary series

[1:13:40] where I,

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[1:13:43] and a fun,

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[1:13:44] go for

[1:13:45] a walkabout.

[1:13:47] You'll learn about

[1:13:47] interesting people

[1:13:49] and places

[1:13:50] and have the kind

[1:13:51] of conversations

[1:13:52] you can only have

[1:13:53] on foot.

[1:13:54] We've got guests

[1:13:55] like

[1:13:56] Lauren Lapkus.

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:58] I figured something out

[1:13:59] about this map.

[1:14:00] Like how to read it.

S5

[1:14:01] Betsy Sedaro.

[1:14:03] I had no clue.

[1:14:04] That's awesome

[1:14:05] and nuts.

[1:14:06] John Gabrus.

[1:14:07] This is like

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:08] great first date

[1:14:09] for like

[1:14:09] broke 20-something,

[1:14:10] you know?

S5

[1:14:11] And more.

[1:14:12] Check out

[1:14:13] Walking About

[1:14:14] with Alan McLeod

[1:14:15] on Maximum Fun.

Dan McCoy

[1:14:18] The Flophouse podcast

[1:14:19] is of course

[1:14:20] mostly supported

[1:14:22] by listeners like you

[1:14:23] who are members

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[1:14:26] But Stuart,

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Stuart Wellington

[1:14:31] And to lead in,

[1:14:32] I'm going to mention

[1:14:32] that in addition

[1:14:34] to running

[1:14:35] three different bars

[1:14:36] here in Brooklyn,

[1:14:37] my wife is in the process

[1:14:38] of opening up

[1:14:39] a fitness studio

[1:14:40] called Jiggle Studio.

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[1:14:47] But the process

[1:14:49] of setting up

[1:14:50] a small business

[1:14:53] and running it

[1:14:54] and doing all that stuff

[1:14:55] is really challenging

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[1:14:57] But with the help

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[1:15:27] to get your website

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Dan McCoy

[1:15:49] We've got a bit

[1:15:50] in the way of show news,

[1:15:51] but before I get into that,

[1:15:52] Ali,

[1:15:52] do you have any

[1:15:53] personal plugs

[1:15:53] you want to do?

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:55] I've always got

[1:15:55] personal plugs.

[1:15:56] You know about me,

[1:15:57] I love to plug things

[1:15:58] and I love to unplug them,

[1:15:58] but today I'm going

[1:15:59] to plug them.

[1:16:00] And it's the same stuff

[1:16:01] that you know

[1:16:01] I'm always talking about.

[1:16:03] Go to your comic book store

[1:16:04] once a month

[1:16:04] and pick up Harley Quinn

[1:16:05] from DC Comics.

[1:16:06] I've been writing it

[1:16:07] and I've been having

[1:16:08] a ball writing it.

[1:16:09] Go to your podcast feed

[1:16:10] when you're done

[1:16:10] with this episode

[1:16:11] and maybe check out

[1:16:12] Clueless

[1:16:12] on the Smartless Network.

[1:16:14] That's the puzzle podcast

[1:16:15] that I host.

[1:16:16] And of course,

[1:16:17] there's my new children's book,

[1:16:18] Sadie Mouse Wrecks the House.

[1:16:19] Go to your local

[1:16:20] independent bookstore

[1:16:20] and pick up a copy of that.

[1:16:22] It's a great picture book

[1:16:23] for kids.

[1:16:23] It's really fun.

[1:16:24] Kids love it.

[1:16:25] So those are a bunch

[1:16:26] of new things

[1:16:26] and I've got a book

[1:16:28] coming out in November.

[1:16:29] We'll talk about that more

[1:16:30] later in the year.

[1:16:31] Until then,

[1:16:32] here are your assignments.

[1:16:33] Go buy Sadie Mouse

[1:16:34] Wrecks the House.

[1:16:35] Go pick up Harley Quinn

[1:16:36] in your comic book store

[1:16:38] and don't pick her up.

[1:16:39] Just pick up the comic book

[1:16:40] that she's in

[1:16:41] and then take it to the register

[1:16:42] and then buy it

[1:16:43] and read it.

[1:16:44] And go listen to Clueless

[1:16:46] when you're done with this.

[1:16:47] Dan, what about you?

[1:16:48] What do you got to say?

Dan McCoy

[1:16:48] Elliot,

[1:16:49] you know,

[1:16:50] your first trade paperback

[1:16:52] of Harley Quinn

[1:16:53] is going to be out

[1:16:54] towards the end of July.

[1:16:55] I have it pre-ordered.

[1:16:55] Oh, is it?

[1:16:56] You know more about this

[1:16:57] than I do.

[1:16:57] Thank you.

[1:16:58] Well, it's because

[1:16:59] I've had it pre-ordered

[1:17:00] for quite some time

[1:17:01] because I can never remember

[1:17:04] to like go like

[1:17:05] buy individual issues of comics.

[1:17:07] It's really hard.

Stuart Wellington

[1:17:08] I've been recently doing it

[1:17:09] for both Elliot's Comics

[1:17:10] and a friend of the podcast

[1:17:11] Xander Cannon's new book,

[1:17:13] Sleep.

[1:17:13] And it's tough for me

[1:17:15] to get back in the habit.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:16] Yeah, that's hard

[1:17:17] and I don't like

[1:17:18] reading them digitally

[1:17:19] so I was just waiting for,

[1:17:21] you know,

[1:17:22] a way to see,

[1:17:22] you know,

[1:17:23] what I've been hearing about

[1:17:24] from Elliot

[1:17:25] all these,

[1:17:25] low these many months

[1:17:27] and finally I'm going to

[1:17:28] get to dig in.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:30] You're right.

[1:17:30] It comes out July 29th.

[1:17:31] That's Harley Quinn

[1:17:32] Volume 1 Destructive Comics

[1:17:33] and it collects

[1:17:35] what the first,

[1:17:36] it's 152 pages

[1:17:38] according to this.

[1:17:39] It collects the first

[1:17:40] six issues

[1:17:41] of my run.

[1:17:43] So you'll be introduced

[1:17:44] to Harley's new world

[1:17:45] of Throat Cutter Hill.

[1:17:46] That's the neighborhood

[1:17:46] she's in

[1:17:47] and some of her new characters

[1:17:48] that she's dealing with.

[1:17:50] There's a couple of new villains

[1:17:51] in there

[1:17:51] that are really silly.

[1:17:52] Are they Snake Men?

[1:17:54] I've got to get a Snake Man in there.

[1:17:55] That's what I should do next.

[1:17:56] Yeah.

[1:17:57] Yes, that comes out

[1:17:58] at the end of July.

[1:17:59] Harley Quinn Volume 1

[1:17:59] Destructive Comics

[1:18:00] and the issues come out

[1:18:01] once a month.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:02] Yeah.

[1:18:02] Well, enough about Elliot.

[1:18:04] Now,

[1:18:05] now I'm going to make a,

[1:18:07] well, it's one third

[1:18:08] still about Elliot.

[1:18:09] I want to mention

[1:18:10] that Flop TV

[1:18:12] season three

[1:18:13] is officially coming.

[1:18:14] We've been talking about it.

[1:18:16] It's back.

[1:18:16] We're going to be streaming

[1:18:19] six episodes

[1:18:20] once a month

[1:18:20] from September

[1:18:21] through February

[1:18:22] of next year.

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:23] First Saturday

[1:18:24] of the month.

[1:18:25] September through February.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:26] And we'll be in our

[1:18:27] usual time slot

[1:18:28] the first Saturday

[1:18:29] of the month

[1:18:30] at 9 p.m.

[1:18:30] Eastern,

[1:18:31] 6 Pacific.

[1:18:32] And this year,

[1:18:33] The Flophouse

[1:18:34] is going back in time.

[1:18:36] Not literally,

[1:18:37] although,

[1:18:37] God knows,

[1:18:38] wouldn't that be nice?

[1:18:39] No, this year,

[1:18:40] the theme is

[1:18:41] Flopsterpiece Theater

[1:18:42] and we'll be

[1:18:43] covering significant

[1:18:44] bad movies

[1:18:45] decade by decade

[1:18:46] starting in the 2000s

[1:18:49] and working our way

[1:18:50] back to the 1950s.

Stuart Wellington

[1:18:52] Almost like a

[1:18:53] what if The Flophouse

[1:18:54] had existed

[1:18:55] when this movie

Dan McCoy

[1:18:56] had existed.

[1:18:56] Yeah.

[1:18:57] We're going to be

[1:18:58] going back.

[1:18:59] What's on the menu

[1:19:00] in September?

[1:19:01] We'll discuss

[1:19:02] 2002's Mega Flop

[1:19:04] The Adventures

[1:19:05] of Pluto Nash.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:06] I'm genuinely

[1:19:07] very excited

[1:19:08] about talking about

[1:19:08] this one

[1:19:09] because I cannot

[1:19:09] believe this movie exists.

[1:19:10] I've been thinking

[1:19:11] about it ever since

[1:19:11] it first came out.

[1:19:12] I've never seen it.

[1:19:13] I'm excited.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:14] I've never seen it either.

[1:19:14] In October,

[1:19:15] we'll discuss

[1:19:16] 1998's Jack Frost.

[1:19:18] That's not the

[1:19:19] campy horror movie.

[1:19:20] It's the one where

[1:19:21] Michael Keaton dies

[1:19:22] and becomes a snowman.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:25] He's also a jazz musician

[1:19:26] who becomes a snowman.

[1:19:27] November,

Dan McCoy

[1:19:28] coming in just under

[1:19:29] the wire for the 80s

[1:19:30] will be 1980's

[1:19:31] Xanadu,

[1:19:32] which is,

[1:19:33] spoiler alert,

[1:19:34] actually a pretty fun movie,

[1:19:36] a silly movie.

[1:19:37] December's film

[1:19:38] will be a big movie

[1:19:39] in Flophouse lore.

[1:19:41] It's 1974's

[1:19:42] Zardoz.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:43] This is going to be

[1:19:45] an interesting one for me

[1:19:45] because there's a lot

[1:19:46] in Zardoz that I like,

[1:19:47] so get ready for it.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:49] In January,

[1:19:49] we're going to discuss

[1:19:50] the movie that helped

[1:19:51] kill old Hollywood,

[1:19:53] 1967's Dr. Doolittle.

[1:19:56] And in February,

[1:19:57] we're going to round

[1:19:58] everything out with

[1:19:59] one of the

[1:19:59] Mount Rushmore

[1:20:00] bad movies,

[1:20:01] 1957's Plan 9

[1:20:03] from Outer Space,

[1:20:04] directed by Ed Wood,

[1:20:06] the bad movie auteur

[1:20:07] who had a biopic

[1:20:08] made about him

[1:20:08] when Tommy Wiseau

[1:20:09] was still selling

[1:20:10] regular blue jeans.

[1:20:14] Tickets will not be on sale

[1:20:15] until July 26th,

[1:20:17] but I'm going to

[1:20:18] put the link

[1:20:18] in your brain now

[1:20:19] so you can bookmark it

[1:20:20] or maybe you're listening

[1:20:21] to this in the future.

[1:20:24] But when you can get tickets,

[1:20:25] go to

[1:20:26] theflophouse.simpleticks.com

[1:20:29] and that's TIX,

[1:20:30] T-I-X.

[1:20:31] Just like last time,

[1:20:33] show ticks for individual shows

[1:20:35] will be $7

[1:20:35] or you can get a whole season pass

[1:20:37] for $35,

[1:20:39] which is the equivalent

[1:20:40] of getting one episode

[1:20:41] for free.

[1:20:43] Dan,

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:43] you mean we're giving away

[1:20:45] an episode

[1:20:45] if people buy the season pass?

[1:20:47] What are we doing?

[1:20:48] Are we crazy?

[1:20:48] We're essentially giving away

Dan McCoy

[1:20:49] an episode for money.

[1:20:53] So come the sale date

[1:20:54] in late July,

[1:20:56] that link again

[1:20:57] is theflophouse.simpleticks.com.

[1:20:59] We hope you'll join us.

[1:21:01] And really quick,

[1:21:03] I also wanted to mention

[1:21:04] that some listeners

[1:21:05] have set up

[1:21:06] a Flophouse Discord.

[1:21:07] I've mentioned it

[1:21:08] briefly in passing before,

[1:21:10] but I want to try

[1:21:11] and shout it out

[1:21:12] more regularly.

[1:21:12] If you're sick

[1:21:13] of some of the

[1:21:14] poisonous social media sites

[1:21:16] out there

[1:21:16] but still want to connect

[1:21:17] with other podcast listeners,

[1:21:19] you can go to

[1:21:21] http slash slash

[1:21:24] or colon slash slash

[1:21:25] you know that part.

[1:21:26] I don't need to say it.

[1:21:27] Yeah, I think people

[1:21:28] are ready for it.

[1:21:29] Lastnamewithheld.com

[1:21:30] Lastnamewithheld.com

[1:21:32] and join up

[1:21:32] and chat

[1:21:33] with the lovely folks

[1:21:34] that hang out over there.

[1:21:36] So that's that.

[1:21:38] That's that.

[1:21:39] Let's get on to

[1:21:40] some letters

[1:21:42] from listeners.

[1:21:44] And just as soon

[1:21:45] as I open up

[1:21:47] the separate email

[1:21:49] that that stuff is in.

[1:21:50] Okay, I've got it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:52] Dan, someday I want

[1:21:53] to introduce you

[1:21:53] to a new thing called

[1:21:54] Tabs.

[1:21:56] Tabs?

[1:21:57] Is that multiple cans

[1:21:58] of Tab Cola or whatever?

[1:22:00] That's exactly what it is.

[1:22:01] It's keeping your energy up

[1:22:03] so you can open

[1:22:03] those emails faster

[1:22:04] by drinking multiple

[1:22:05] cans of Tab.

[1:22:07] Brought to you by Tab Hunter.

[1:22:09] This email

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:09] When a date with

[1:22:11] Tad Hamilton

[1:22:12] is from

[1:22:13] No, Tab Hamilton.

[1:22:15] What did I say?

Dan McCoy

[1:22:16] Well, it's

[1:22:17] Tad Hamilton.

[1:22:18] No, but it should be

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:19] Tab Hamilton.

[1:22:19] Tab Tableton?

Dan McCoy

[1:22:21] Yeah, that's right.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:23] Was he the one

[1:22:24] who must die

[1:22:25] or was that somebody

[1:22:25] else who must die?

[1:22:26] John Tucker must die.

[1:22:27] Oh, John Carter.

[1:22:28] John Carter must die, yeah.

[1:22:30] Get Carter must die.

[1:22:32] Win a date

[1:22:33] with Michael Clayton.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:34] Spencer,

[1:22:35] last name withheld.

[1:22:36] Gifts.

[1:22:37] Right thus to say,

[1:22:39] Dear Peaches,

[1:22:40] I was digging

[1:22:41] in my garden,

[1:22:42] catching up

[1:22:43] with a Heartbeats episode

[1:22:44] when suddenly

[1:22:45] I heard the three hosts

[1:22:47] talking about

[1:22:48] Tucson, Arizona.

[1:22:50] Here's the thing.

[1:22:51] My office in Ohio

[1:22:52] closed down recently

[1:22:53] and I lost my job

[1:22:54] so my wife and I

[1:22:55] had been discussing

[1:22:56] moving back to our hometown

[1:22:58] of Tucson, Arizona.

[1:22:59] I'd applied for dozens of jobs

[1:23:01] and had a few interviews

[1:23:02] but hadn't heard back in weeks

[1:23:04] and was starting to feel discouraged.

[1:23:06] And now there I was,

[1:23:08] shovel in hand,

[1:23:09] podcast in my ear,

[1:23:10] hearing Dan Stewart and Elliot

[1:23:12] literally say,

[1:23:13] Go to Arizona.

[1:23:15] Go to Tucson, Arizona.

[1:23:16] Welcome to Tucson.

[1:23:18] What a strange coincidence,

[1:23:20] I thought to myself.

[1:23:21] I hope that's a sign.

[1:23:23] And guys,

[1:23:24] I swear,

[1:23:24] with Krom as my witness,

[1:23:26] not 20 minutes later,

[1:23:27] I got a phone call from HR

[1:23:29] offering me a job

[1:23:30] and a relocation package

[1:23:31] to help me move back

[1:23:32] to Tucson, Arizona.

[1:23:34] So my question is,

[1:23:36] when you guys are weaving

[1:23:37] the dark tapestry

[1:23:38] that decides my fate,

[1:23:40] are you aware

[1:23:40] of the decisions you're making

[1:23:41] and how it affects me

[1:23:42] or am I just one thread

[1:23:44] and the cosmic forces

[1:23:45] that flow through you?

[1:23:46] Are we the three spinners?

[1:23:47] Either way.

[1:23:49] Thanks.

[1:23:49] Keep on flopping.

[1:23:50] Spins your last name with help.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:51] One spins,

[1:23:52] one measures,

[1:23:52] one cuts.

[1:23:53] Oh, wow.

[1:23:54] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:55] No, no,

[1:23:56] you have to measure twice,

[1:23:56] cut once.

[1:23:57] Oh, oh, oh.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:58] Two of them measure

[1:23:59] and then one of them cuts.

[1:24:00] Yeah.

[1:24:00] Well, I wonder who else is.

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:02] That's an exciting story.

[1:24:04] I hope you have a lovely time

[1:24:05] in Tucson, Arizona.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:07] I hope so, too.

[1:24:08] There's a,

[1:24:09] you know,

[1:24:10] I wonder,

[1:24:10] like,

[1:24:11] what other lives

[1:24:12] were affecting.

[1:24:13] It's just like

[1:24:13] when a butterfly

[1:24:14] flaps its wings in Peru

[1:24:15] and suddenly

[1:24:16] Japan

[1:24:18] goes for that

[1:24:19] adamantium island

[1:24:20] and gets in a war

[1:24:21] with the United States

[1:24:22] or whatever.

[1:24:23] Well,

[1:24:24] if your life

[1:24:25] has been affected

[1:24:25] by the flop house

[1:24:26] in a strange,

[1:24:27] mysterious,

[1:24:28] and perhaps

[1:24:28] diabolical way,

[1:24:30] please write in

[1:24:30] and tell us about it.

[1:24:32] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:33] And then we'll,

[1:24:33] you know,

[1:24:34] we'll submit it

[1:24:35] to unsolved mysteries.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:36] Yeah.

[1:24:37] And say,

[1:24:37] what,

[1:24:37] it's been solved?

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:38] That show's so fucked up

[1:24:40] to watch now

[1:24:41] because you're like,

[1:24:42] did they ever catch

[1:24:43] those fucking guys?

[1:24:44] It's been like

Dan McCoy

[1:24:45] 30 years.

[1:24:46] Are they behind me

[1:24:47] right now?

[1:24:48] This is a,

[1:24:49] this is a letter

[1:24:50] from Anne-Marie.

[1:24:51] Anne-Marie's

[1:24:52] Last Name With Health.

[1:24:53] It sounded like I said

[1:24:54] Anne-Marie briefly,

[1:24:55] so I had to say it.

[1:24:56] I thought you said

[1:24:56] Anne-Marie,

[1:24:57] yeah.

[1:24:57] No,

[1:24:58] it's from Anne-Marie,

[1:24:59] Last Name With Health.

[1:25:01] Dear OPs,

[1:25:03] I'm happily

[1:25:04] and unexpectedly pregnant

[1:25:05] after years of infertility.

[1:25:07] Congratulations.

[1:25:08] Yeah.

[1:25:09] For whatever reason,

[1:25:10] I haven't been able

[1:25:11] to listen to anything

[1:25:11] except the Flophouse

[1:25:13] since I found out.

[1:25:14] Relistening to old episodes,

[1:25:16] I heard a pre-parented Elliot

[1:25:18] say she assumed

[1:25:19] that regardless

[1:25:20] of how cool a parent he is,

[1:25:22] their kids would think

[1:25:23] they are a loser.

[1:25:25] Has that prediction?

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:25] Prediction come true.

Dan McCoy

[1:25:27] Okay.

[1:25:27] That prophecy

[1:25:28] has been fulfilled.

[1:25:29] That was what I was going to,

[1:25:30] that was the next question.

[1:25:31] Has that prediction

[1:25:32] turned out to be true?

[1:25:33] She also asked,

[1:25:34] what movie should I watch

[1:25:35] to prepare for being a parent?

[1:25:37] Most importantly,

[1:25:37] what the hell do I name a boy?

[1:25:39] Thanks.

[1:25:39] Love, Anne-Marie.

[1:25:42] So,

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:42] I mean,

[1:25:43] you can name a boy

[1:25:44] whatever you want.

[1:25:45] That's the great thing

[1:25:45] about names

[1:25:46] is there's no laws about it.

[1:25:47] Deathstalker,

Dan McCoy

[1:25:49] Cyberman,

[1:25:50] Deathstalker 2,

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:51] Deathstalker 2,

[1:25:52] Cyberman,

[1:25:53] yeah.

[1:25:53] Barbarian Queen,

[1:25:55] Cyborg 2,

[1:25:56] all great names

[1:25:57] for boys or girls

[1:25:58] to be honest.

[1:26:00] I was thinking about this

[1:26:01] Dan tipped me off,

[1:26:02] not about the letter,

[1:26:03] but about the question

[1:26:04] ahead of time.

[1:26:05] And I've been thinking,

[1:26:06] what is a movie to watch

[1:26:08] to prepare you for parenting?

[1:26:09] And I,

[1:26:09] honestly,

[1:26:10] there's only two I can think of

[1:26:11] and those movies are

[1:26:12] Gremlins and Gremlins 2,

[1:26:13] the new band.

[1:26:14] Like,

[1:26:15] the sheer feeling of being overwhelmed

[1:26:17] in the chaos

[1:26:17] of a little thing

[1:26:18] demanding your attention

[1:26:20] and breaking stuff

[1:26:20] and making a mess.

[1:26:22] Like,

[1:26:22] that's,

[1:26:23] but then you love them

[1:26:24] just like in Gremlins.

[1:26:25] And they do funny things

[1:26:27] that are unexpected

[1:26:28] like in Gremlins 2

[1:26:29] and in the first Gremlins

[1:26:29] to be honest.

[1:26:30] So,

[1:26:30] I would watch the Gremlins movies

[1:26:32] to prepare for parenthood.

[1:26:33] Yeah.

[1:26:34] That's good advice.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:36] Dan,

[1:26:36] do you have any parenting advice?

Dan McCoy

[1:26:40] I've tried to avoid it mostly.

[1:26:43] Mostly?

[1:26:44] So,

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:44] do you like,

[1:26:45] every now and then

[1:26:46] you like do a day

[1:26:47] of parenting somewhere?

Dan McCoy

[1:26:48] You know,

[1:26:49] I've babysat people.

[1:26:50] I don't know.

[1:26:51] People?

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:52] Yeah,

[1:26:53] people.

[1:26:54] I put ads on Craigslist.

[1:26:56] It's like House of the Devil.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:59] Do people want to be babysat by me?

Elliott Kalan

[1:27:03] Dan,

[1:27:04] I know a website

[1:27:04] you might want to go to.

[1:27:05] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:27:07] Hey,

[1:27:07] let's,

[1:27:07] let's recommend some movies.

[1:27:09] Movies that might be

[1:27:10] a better use of your time.

[1:27:11] Why not?

[1:27:12] I'm going to go out

[1:27:13] on a real limb here.

[1:27:15] I'm going to,

[1:27:17] I'm going to recommend.

[1:27:17] You're in shaky territory.

[1:27:19] I'm going to recommend

[1:27:20] an unknown

[1:27:20] tiny little movie

[1:27:22] called Jaws

[1:27:23] from 1975.

[1:27:24] Whoa.

[1:27:25] Which I recommend because.

Elliott Kalan

[1:27:26] It's the 50th anniversary.

Dan McCoy

[1:27:28] It's the 50th anniversary,

[1:27:29] but also,

[1:27:30] just recently,

[1:27:31] Audrey watched it

[1:27:32] for the first time

[1:27:33] after

[1:27:34] several times

[1:27:36] of me suggesting,

[1:27:37] hey,

[1:27:37] you want to,

[1:27:37] you want to see Jaws finally?

[1:27:39] Uh,

[1:27:40] and

[1:27:40] it's funny.

[1:27:42] She's like,

[1:27:43] told me that like,

[1:27:44] multiple people have come up to her

[1:27:46] to be like,

[1:27:47] so how'd you like Jaws?

[1:27:48] Because I had told them

[1:27:50] that she was finally

[1:27:51] watching Jaws.

[1:27:52] It's just like,

[1:27:53] stop telling people

[1:27:54] that I finally watched Jaws.

[1:27:56] Uh,

[1:27:57] but I was just so excited

[1:27:58] for someone to experience Jaws

[1:27:59] who had not seen it.

[1:28:01] Um,

[1:28:01] and,

[1:28:02] uh,

[1:28:03] and she loved it.

[1:28:04] Like,

[1:28:04] you know,

[1:28:05] uh,

[1:28:05] seeing Star Wars

[1:28:07] late in life

[1:28:07] after having no

[1:28:08] particular knowledge

[1:28:10] of Star Wars

[1:28:11] and like being influenced

[1:28:12] by all the things

[1:28:13] that came after Star Wars.

[1:28:14] She was like,

[1:28:14] yeah,

[1:28:14] this is fine.

[1:28:15] She didn't,

[1:28:16] like,

[1:28:17] make a dent,

[1:28:18] but Jaws

[1:28:18] still has its power

[1:28:20] and,

[1:28:21] uh,

[1:28:22] I don't know,

[1:28:22] like,

[1:28:22] scene by scene,

[1:28:23] it's,

[1:28:23] you know,

[1:28:24] one of the most entertaining,

[1:28:25] if not the most entertaining,

[1:28:27] one of the,

[1:28:29] just in terms of like,

[1:28:30] just fun storytelling

[1:28:32] right up at the top

[1:28:33] of the mountain.

[1:28:34] So,

[1:28:35] you know,

[1:28:35] if you haven't seen it in a while,

[1:28:36] watch Jaws.

Stuart Wellington

[1:28:37] Yeah.

[1:28:37] Do you like movies?

[1:28:38] Watch that.

[1:28:39] So,

[1:28:39] I'm gonna,

[1:28:39] I'm gonna recommend a movie

[1:28:41] that is held in almost

[1:28:42] as high esteem

[1:28:43] and that is,

[1:28:45] That was the setup.

[1:28:46] Gary Busey's

[1:28:47] Hider in the House.

[1:28:48] And there's the punchline.

[1:28:50] Dan,

[1:28:51] have you seen

[1:28:51] Hider in the House?

[1:28:52] Uh,

[1:28:53] I don't think I've seen

[1:28:53] Hider in the House.

[1:28:54] It's kind of like

[1:28:54] Parasite for bad movie sickos,

[1:28:57] uh,

[1:28:57] where Gary Busey,

[1:28:59] uh,

[1:28:59] plays a,

[1:29:01] uh,

[1:29:01] let's say,

[1:29:02] kind of weird dude.

[1:29:02] Let's call him a hider.

[1:29:05] Who finds a mansion

[1:29:06] that's being renovated

[1:29:07] and he climbs up

[1:29:09] into the attic

[1:29:09] and he makes himself

[1:29:10] a little hideaway

[1:29:11] in there.

[1:29:12] Uh,

[1:29:12] and he sneaks out

[1:29:13] every once in a while

[1:29:14] and he tries to

[1:29:15] integrate himself

[1:29:15] in the family

[1:29:16] who are played by

[1:29:17] Mimi Rogers

[1:29:18] and Michael McKean.

[1:29:19] Great cast.

[1:29:20] This is a movie

[1:29:21] that I,

[1:29:22] I feel like we,

[1:29:24] I'm recommending it now

[1:29:25] partly so that I can

[1:29:26] put it on our radar

[1:29:27] so that we can do it

[1:29:28] for the podcast sometime

[1:29:29] because it is

[1:29:29] a blast.

[1:29:31] Looks like it's available

[1:29:31] on both Tubi

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:32] and YouTube in full.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:34] Yeah.

[1:29:35] Uh,

[1:29:36] yeah.

[1:29:36] Two thumbs up.

[1:29:37] Mark of quality.

[1:29:38] Uh,

[1:29:38] this was recommended

[1:29:39] to me by,

[1:29:40] uh,

[1:29:41] Flophouse,

[1:29:42] uh,

[1:29:42] friend,

[1:29:43] Steve Kostansky

[1:29:44] who watches it,

[1:29:45] watched it while he

[1:29:46] was working on,

[1:29:47] I'm guessing like

[1:29:48] heads exploding

[1:29:49] or something

[1:29:49] in his workshop.

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:51] I'm looking at,

[1:29:51] uh,

[1:29:52] Stuart,

[1:29:52] now I'm excited

[1:29:53] about it.

[1:29:53] I'm looking at

[1:29:54] in the,

[1:29:54] in the Wikipedia entry,

[1:29:55] it says production

[1:29:55] that,

[1:29:56] um,

[1:29:57] they want,

[1:29:58] they brought in

[1:29:58] a psychologist

[1:29:59] to make the Gary Busey

[1:30:00] character as realistic

[1:30:01] as possible.

[1:30:02] Apparently it says

[1:30:02] after meeting

[1:30:03] with the psychologist,

[1:30:03] Gary Busey was excited

[1:30:04] saying it was an,

[1:30:05] a NAR film.

[1:30:06] He explained that NAR

[1:30:07] meant no acting required.

[1:30:08] Gary said,

[1:30:09] I am the character.

[1:30:12] It reads on screen.

[1:30:14] Yeah.

[1:30:15] Uh,

[1:30:15] I'm also going to

[1:30:16] recommend an older movie.

[1:30:17] No one's recommending

[1:30:17] new movies today,

[1:30:18] which is great.

[1:30:19] That's fine with me.

[1:30:20] I haven't gotten to watch

[1:30:21] a lot of movies lately

[1:30:22] because I've been so busy

[1:30:23] and I had to watch

[1:30:23] Captain America,

[1:30:24] Brave New World

[1:30:25] for some reason.

[1:30:26] Uh,

[1:30:26] but I'll tell you,

[1:30:27] you're like halfway

[1:30:28] through Sinners,

[1:30:28] right?

[1:30:29] I'm like,

[1:30:29] I'm like a little bit

[1:30:30] less than halfway

[1:30:30] through Sinners.

[1:30:31] I'm enjoying it so far.

[1:30:32] It's amazing.

[1:30:33] But my wife and I,

[1:30:34] we had some time

[1:30:35] together recently.

[1:30:36] It was great

[1:30:36] and we got together

[1:30:37] and she said,

[1:30:37] I want to watch

[1:30:38] a black and white

[1:30:39] romantic comedy

[1:30:40] and I said,

[1:30:41] let's see what's,

[1:30:42] let's see what's available

[1:30:42] right now

[1:30:43] and we watched

[1:30:43] Roman Holiday,

[1:30:44] which both of us

[1:30:45] had seen

[1:30:45] but hadn't watched

[1:30:46] in a long time.

[1:30:47] It's so great.

[1:30:47] It's such a great movie.

[1:30:49] It's so charming.

[1:30:49] It feels so effortless

[1:30:51] and so fun

[1:30:51] and it's a movie

[1:30:52] that the stakes

[1:30:53] are incredibly low.

[1:30:55] The stakes are,

[1:30:56] will this princess

[1:30:56] get caught

[1:30:57] for running away

[1:30:58] for a day

[1:30:58] to have fun in Rome?

[1:31:00] Will this,

[1:31:00] will the reporter

[1:31:01] be revealed

[1:31:01] as a reporter

[1:31:02] and not just some guy

[1:31:03] who's showing around

[1:31:04] Rome for the day?

[1:31:05] But it's so,

[1:31:06] um,

[1:31:07] effervescent

[1:31:07] you know,

[1:31:08] it's so fun

[1:31:09] to see them

[1:31:09] actually in Rome.

[1:31:10] The comedy is,

[1:31:11] is funny.

[1:31:12] The romance works

[1:31:13] really well.

[1:31:14] The ending is,

[1:31:15] I love like,

[1:31:16] and Audrey Hepburn

[1:31:17] is so magical in it.

[1:31:18] Gregory Peck

[1:31:18] is great in it.

[1:31:19] William Wyler,

[1:31:20] William Wyler directed it

[1:31:22] so it's not a surprise

[1:31:23] because he's one

[1:31:23] of the all-time greats

[1:31:24] but it's just a,

[1:31:26] and the new version of it,

[1:31:27] at some point in the past

[1:31:28] they updated the credits

[1:31:29] so that Dalton Trumbo

[1:31:30] who had been blacklisted

[1:31:31] at the time

[1:31:31] is now credited

[1:31:32] in the movie

[1:31:33] for writing it

[1:31:34] and coming up

[1:31:34] with the story

[1:31:35] so I'm happy

[1:31:36] to see him

[1:31:36] getting the credit

[1:31:37] he deserves for it

[1:31:38] but it's just

[1:31:39] a really fun movie.

[1:31:39] It's so worth watching.

[1:31:40] If you've never seen it

[1:31:41] and you want to see

[1:31:42] a romantic comedy

[1:31:43] that's just kind of like

[1:31:44] charming all the way through

[1:31:46] then Roman Holiday

[1:31:47] is the one

[1:31:47] I will recommend to you.

Dan McCoy

[1:31:49] Yeah, it's fun to see

[1:31:50] I can't even remember his name

[1:31:55] in a role like that

[1:31:56] because like

[1:31:57] I love Gregory Peck

[1:31:59] but he has like

[1:31:59] this sort of like

[1:32:00] stiff energy

[1:32:01] but it plays so beautifully

[1:32:02] off of like

[1:32:03] Audrey Hepburn's

[1:32:04] just total lightness.

[1:32:07] It's like

[1:32:07] it's really fun.

[1:32:08] It's one of these things

[1:32:08] where

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:08] this and this is

[1:32:10] was Audrey Hepburn's

[1:32:11] first American movie.

[1:32:12] I think she had been in

[1:32:13] she had performed

[1:32:14] in other countries

[1:32:15] but just like

[1:32:16] seeing the newness of her

[1:32:18] comes across

[1:32:18] so excitingly in the movie.

[1:32:20] This movie is 72 years old

[1:32:21] and when you're watching

[1:32:22] it still feels like

[1:32:23] someone new

[1:32:23] being brought into film

[1:32:24] in an exciting way.

[1:32:26] So it's really good

[1:32:26] and yeah

[1:32:27] Gregory Peck playing

[1:32:27] like kind of a

[1:32:28] he's not a slimy character

[1:32:30] but a less ethical character

[1:32:31] than you would usually

[1:32:32] see him in

[1:32:32] other than like

[1:32:33] the boys from Brazil

[1:32:34] where he's playing a Nazi

[1:32:35] you know

[1:32:35] but in most of his movies

[1:32:37] he's more of an upright character

[1:32:38] so it's just really fun.

[1:32:40] Also to see like

[1:32:40] how little Audrey Hepburn is

[1:32:43] and how enormous

[1:32:44] just the scale

[1:32:45] that their physical bodies are at

[1:32:47] it's like

[1:32:48] I don't know

[1:32:49] there's just something

[1:32:50] there's so much fun in the movie

[1:32:51] so that's Roman Holiday.

[1:32:54] Not to be confused

[1:32:55] with Roman Mars

[1:32:56] my co-host

[1:32:57] on the 90% Visible Breakdown

[1:32:58] The Power Broker

[1:32:59] still available

[1:33:00] you can still listen to it.

Dan McCoy

[1:33:01] You got there before I could.

[1:33:04] Well thanks everyone

[1:33:06] for listening.

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[1:33:25] our producer

[1:33:26] he goes by the name

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[1:33:42] I've been Dan McCoy

[1:33:43] I've been Stuart Wellington

[1:33:45] I'm Elliot Kalin

[1:33:46] Bye

[1:33:47] See ya

[1:33:48] Alex I hope you enjoyed

[1:33:59] all the arguing

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:01] I love this

[1:34:02] what I love is

[1:34:03] Dan is the one

[1:34:04] who's like

[1:34:04] being sincere

[1:34:05] and the two of us

[1:34:06] are also like

[1:34:07] poke, poke, poke

[1:34:08] tease, tease, tease

[1:34:09] it's all facetious

[1:34:10] but Dan gets real mad

Dan McCoy

[1:34:11] that's the way it works

[1:34:14] okay

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