FH Mini 133 - Cinematic Cities

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[1:17] Now Dan, Stuart, thanks so much for joining us today on Map House.

[1:20] How are you feeling today and where are you coming from?

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[1:41] So Map House is of course, like I said, the movie podcast about locations.

[1:47] And today's episode of the Map House is going to be all about cities as characters in movies.

[1:52] Now, I feel like the last couple of movies that got on the Flophouse were really specific

[1:57] about their locations.

[1:58] We watched Pool Man in which Los Angeles felt like a character in the story.

[2:03] We watched Captain America Brave New World in which Washington DC actually had more personality

[2:07] than any of the human characters in the movie.

[2:10] And so today, I wanted to talk about cities that feel like characters and there's a bunch

[2:15] of famous cities and there are a lot of movies and I bet if I named them, you guys could

[2:19] tell me what kinds of characters they've been in the movies or how you think of them

[2:23] as a character in a story.

[2:25] You guys want to start off doing that, a little brain exercise?

[2:27] Sure.

[2:28] I think I understand.

[2:29] Okay, sure.

[2:30] So like for instance, New York, what kind of character is New York in the movies?

[2:34] You know, brash, bold, it's where you go to succeed.

[2:39] You know, it represents glamour and glitz and an urban life.

[2:45] An endless labyrinth of late night delights and terrors.

[2:48] Oh, very well put.

[2:49] Very well put.

[2:50] Now, perhaps you might say similar things, but I don't know.

[2:52] What about Paris?

[2:53] What kind of character is Paris in the movies?

[2:56] You know, it's the city of lights.

[2:58] It's the city of romance.

[3:00] It represents a little exotic, yeah, sophistication.

[3:06] Someone call it a labyrinth of late night delights?

[3:08] Yeah, sure.

[3:09] I could call it that as well.

[3:12] Sometimes the sand is full of sharks, but Paris, it's mostly a romantic place.

[3:16] You can already hear the accordion music and the crunching on long bread, right?

[3:21] What about London, though?

[3:22] When London's a character in the movies, what is London like?

[3:24] It's foggy, it's rainy, Jack the Ripper's probably going around doing something nasty.

[3:30] Not something good.

[3:32] He's not giving candy to children and helping elderly people across the street, that's for

[3:36] sure.

[3:37] That's true.

[3:38] I mean, modern London is a little harder to classify, I think.

[3:44] A lot of high street shops.

[3:46] That wasn't an up-to-date London idea, the Jack the Ripper one?

[3:49] No, that was a bit more of a Victorian vision of London.

[3:52] Okay, and what about Miami?

[3:54] What's Miami like when it's a character in the movies?

[3:56] Fast cars, full of drug dealers, butts wearing swimsuits, clubs, butts going to clubs.

[4:05] What else are the butts doing in Miami these days?

[4:06] Are they sitting in cars, going to clubs?

[4:08] What else are they doing?

[4:09] Yeah, they're in cars with comedians giving coffee.

[4:12] Interesting.

[4:13] That's what you think of as Miami, okay, interesting.

[4:15] I don't know, it's just a thing.

[4:18] And so, what about Tokyo?

[4:19] What do you think of Tokyo as a character in the movies?

[4:21] Drift.

[4:22] Drift.

[4:23] Word association.

[4:24] Overwhelming.

[4:25] Kind of high-tech, right?

[4:26] Yeah.

[4:27] Crowds.

[4:28] Umbrellas.

[4:29] Constant danger from Yakuza.

[4:30] And every now and then, a giant monster.

[4:31] Yeah, sure.

[4:32] Neon lights.

[4:33] Yeah.

[4:35] Finally, Rio de Janeiro.

[4:36] You shouldn't have used up butts for Miami.

[4:37] More butts.

[4:38] Extra butts.

[4:39] Bigger butts.

[4:40] Carnival filled with butts.

[4:41] Talking birds.

[4:42] And what's the butt situation with those talking birds?

[4:43] They're interested, but confused.

[4:44] Okay.

[4:45] So, those are big cities, those are some of the biggest cities in the world, and they're

[4:46] all big cities.

[4:47] And when you're talking about the big cities, you're talking about the biggest cities in

[4:48] the world.

[4:49] And so, what do you think of as the biggest cities in the world?

[4:50] Fireworks.

[4:51] Fireworks.

[4:52] Fireworks, fireworks.

[4:53] And the city of New York, right?

[4:54] Fireworks.

[4:55] Fireworks.

[4:56] Fireworks.

[4:57] Fireworks.

[4:58] And then, New York City is a big city, right?

[4:59] Fireworks.

[5:04] Fireworks.

[5:05] Fireworks.

[5:06] Fireworks.

[5:07] And so, there's a lot of movies set there, and it's a very clear idea.

[5:08] Each one of those, you guys had a very clear idea of what the character of that city is

[5:10] like.

[5:11] But I was thinking, there's a lot of smaller cities that don't get as much attention from

[5:16] the movies.

[5:17] There are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe thousands of movies about New York and Los Angeles.

[5:21] There's only one movie about Columbus, Indiana.

[5:24] It's called Columbus.

[5:25] I highly recommend it.

[5:26] It's a very good movie.

[5:27] But it doesn't give us a great idea of what the gestalt character of Columbus is.

[5:31] I mean, we know it has a lot of architectural landmarks, because that's part of what the

[5:34] movie is about.

[5:35] But we don't have as much of a sense of it from the movies.

[5:37] And I started thinking, there's so many small cities that don't get movie attention.

[5:42] But if they did, and some of the movies have been shot in, what's the character that they

[5:47] should have?

[5:48] So, I took a look at the U.S. News and World Report list of the 250 best places to live

[5:52] in the United States.

[5:53] And I thought, let's take a look at them and use our movie brains to figure out what kind

[5:57] of character these cities would be in a movie to give Hollywood a head start.

[6:01] Now, we're going to go through all 250.

[6:02] So, I hope you guys are ready.

[6:03] Okay, no.

[6:04] No, I'm just kidding.

[6:05] We'll go through about nine of them.

[6:06] But I thought, let's start with the number one city on the list.

[6:10] Are you guys ready to use your movie imaginations, your knowledge of movies, and your creativity

[6:14] to figure out what is the character of this city?

[6:17] And I'll give you some, I can give you some facts about the city, but I mostly want us

[6:20] to just say, what's the feel?

[6:22] What does this feel like?

[6:23] Okay?

[6:24] Yeah.

[6:25] So, number one on the list, of course, is Johns Creek, Georgia, population 78,937.

[6:29] According to U.S. News and World Report, this is the best place to live in the United

[6:33] States.

[6:34] Some things I can tell you about it, it has a humid subtropical climate, it has the Metro

[6:38] Atlanta area's only fully professional symphony orchestra, the Johns Creek Symphony Orchestra.

[6:43] There's the annual food festival, the Taste of Johns Creek.

[6:45] There's six golf courses.

[6:48] According to Wikipedia, this is a quote from Wikipedia, it is one of the most culturally

[6:52] diverse cities in the state and nation, representing many countries and cultures from around the

[6:56] world.

[6:57] Johns Creek, Georgia, population less than 80,000, one of the most culturally diverse

[7:00] cities in America, and perhaps the world.

[7:03] They've had a fire department since 2008, and there are movies that have been shot there

[7:08] that include Parental Guidance, starring Billy Crystal, and Strip Club Massacre, I assume

[7:13] not starring Billy Crystal.

[7:14] So guys, I haven't seen it, so I don't know for sure, but I'm going to guess.

[7:21] I'm just adding that one to my watch list on Letterboxd.

[7:24] So Johns Creek, Georgia, what kind of character would the city be in a movie?

[7:31] I would say it feels like it would be a gentrified, up-and-coming suburbs with a modest but bustling

[7:44] downtown area.

[7:46] Okay, so how does that represent, in a movie, what kind of story would you tell?

[7:49] How would the city play into that story?

[7:53] See, originally you said humid, and my mind went to some sort of like, oh yeah, maybe

[8:03] a noir, a sweaty noir.

[8:05] I was thinking like a southern gothic, which could have an overlap, but then everything

[8:10] you said made it sound very cosmopolitan.

[8:12] So maybe the way to...

[8:13] Yeah, they have a huge food festival.

[8:14] It's one of the most diverse cities in America, according to Wikipedia, yeah.

[8:18] Maybe the way to do it is to have one of those, the seedy underbelly sorts of things.

[8:25] It wasn't shot there, but I keep imagining, what was that movie with Ben Affleck where

[8:29] he was breeding snails and he killed Tracy Letts?

[8:33] Deepwater.

[8:34] Deepwater, was that it?

[8:35] Yeah, yeah.

[8:36] Is it that kind of thing?

[8:37] Sexy snails.

[8:38] Sexy snails, yeah.

[8:39] Okay, so Johns Creek, you're imagining is kind of like, it's almost like a blue velvet

[8:44] type place where there's like a seedy criminal underbelly underneath.

[8:47] Maybe it's involved with the taste of Johns Creek annual food festival.

[8:50] I don't know.

[8:51] But, okay.

[8:52] Either that or like you have two rivals at the food festival that are like a mix of like

[8:59] a keeping up with the Joneses, but also like an element of trying to defeat their rival

[9:05] at the food festival.

[9:06] Or it could be, you know, like a little Italy situation where it's a romance set against

[9:12] the backdrop of the food festival.

[9:14] I forgot about that movie that we did on the podcast about the competing Canadian pizza

[9:18] places, right?

[9:19] Yep.

[9:20] So, okay.

[9:21] So, Johns Creek, Georgia, you can go eat.

[9:22] Hollywood, you can go one of two ways with it.

[9:24] It's either like an up-and-coming gentrifying suburb that has a seedy criminal underbelly,

[9:29] or it's a place where love can come even between the children of competing food merchants at

[9:35] the food festival.

[9:37] Let's slip a little bit farther down the list for our next city.

[9:40] You guys did a great job.

[9:41] Let's go to number four on the list.

[9:42] This is Fishers, Indiana, population 103,711.

[9:45] Now, Stuart, you're an Indiana boy.

[9:47] Are you familiar with this town?

[9:48] I'm a Hoosier.

[9:49] Now, where is this?

[9:50] Is this an Indianapolis suburb?

[9:52] It is a suburb of Indianapolis.

[9:53] It has a humid continental climate.

[9:55] This is a humid, but continental climate suburb of Indianapolis.

[10:00] the north side or south side? Where is this? I don't know. It's a it was a town until 2015 when

[10:06] it officially transitioned to be a city. Previously, in 1998, voters had defeated a

[10:10] referendum to become a city. So there's a there's a little bit of a controversial history about

[10:15] whether it's a town or city. What's the name of this joint? It's called Fishers, Indiana.

[10:18] Home ownership rate, 81.9 percent. And you may know this already, Stuart, it's home of the Indy

[10:23] Fuel minor league hockey team and the Hoosier State Instigators basketball team. So guys,

[10:30] so this is this is on the north side of Indianapolis. It's just just east of Carmel,

[10:37] which is a very another very affluent suburb. I mean, Caramel.

[10:44] Nope. They they remove the A. Oh, OK. Don't need it. Strange. I can afford it.

[10:49] Also, if I were driving from Indianapolis, a nap town to my hometown,

[10:54] Fort Wayne, Indiana, I would drive through Fishers. Wow. Interstate sixty nine. So I

[11:00] feel like a real connection. So we've heard of flyover country. This is drive through city.

[11:05] Yeah. So you've ever taken that? You think you've driven through Fishers?

[11:08] I'm sure I've driven through it. So no question. So let's use that personal experience,

[11:13] this authentic personal experience. Fishers, Indiana. What kind of character is it in a movie?

[11:18] Hmm. Seems boring. Yeah, I I'm not a Hoosier, but I'm from the I'm from one state over

[11:27] Illinois, a small town living in Illinois. And this is not a small town. There's a hundred

[11:34] thousand people living in the suburb of a city. That's the suburb of a bigger city.

[11:38] Yeah. I'm guessing there are multiple very good malls,

[11:42] but probably we'll be hearing about a city later. There's a couple of malls. But this

[11:46] I don't know for sure. Well, you know what? Let me bring up more information.

[11:49] I spent a lot of time, though, in the bustling midwestern metropolis of Peoria. I was going to

[11:54] say that the immediate thing that this suggests to me is like a suburbia style, like bored,

[12:02] disaffected youth hanging out in parking lots sort of thing, which was a lot of my youth.

[12:10] All right. So I think that's true, I think. And, you know, a little bit of the haves and

[12:13] the have nots, the, you know, the rich kids and the townies versus the rich kids. Does it help to

[12:20] tell you that the that the the highest employer in the in the area court in twenty twenty top

[12:26] employer was Hamilton Southeastern Schools? I guess the school district is the big employer.

[12:31] Number ten U.S. Foods employees in twenty twenty employed three hundred and twenty people.

[12:37] There's also the Geist Reservoir where you can fish and water ski. So is that where,

[12:40] like, you can water ski? Apparently. I mean, if the boat's fast enough. Yeah.

[12:45] If I don't know how to water ski, will I learn just by doing it there?

[12:49] Unfortunately, no, I don't think so. But unless maybe that's maybe it's a children's

[12:54] movie about a situation, a magical water skiing lake. I don't know. I don't think you've seen

[13:00] cocoons where Wilford Brimley learns the fucking water ski from alien pods, right?

[13:05] The alien pods are pulling him along the water. Yeah. He's got two on his feet as the skis.

[13:10] You wouldn't believe how young I actually am in this movie.

[13:13] I'm younger than Tom Cruise is in the Mission Impossible movies.

[13:21] So we're saying it's kind of a boring place that teens want to escape in the movie.

[13:26] How old was Don Amici? Don Amici was significantly older than Wilford Brimley.

[13:31] He was very old. I mean, he had been a movie star in the 40s.

[13:35] So let's see, Don Amici, how old was he when he made a cocoon?

[13:40] And his first name's Don, or is that a title?

[13:45] It's possible that that was his mafia name, or just as a Spanish landowner.

[13:49] No, his name is Dominic Felix Amici. So he was born in 1908. So when he did the cocoon,

[13:54] he was only 77. And how old was Wilford Brimley?

[13:58] Wilford Brimley at the time in 1985, let's see, Wilford Brimley was 51 years old.

[14:05] Guys, I hate to say it, but that's a pretty problematic age gap, right?

[14:08] Yeah. But in love scenes, you wouldn't worry about it. I mean, that was when Wilford Brimley

[14:13] was like, he was getting a lot of controversy for appearing with men as the love interest who

[14:18] were much older than him. Because Wilford Brimley had a thing for older men. That's fine. Don Amici,

[14:25] of course, a lot of great movies. Anyway, we should do a Don Amici mini sometime. He was in

[14:30] a lot of great stuff. Anyway, so Fishers, Indiana, I think we've covered that pretty well. We know

[14:35] that it has to do with cocoon and water. Named after Fisher Stevens.

[14:39] Yeah, but yeah, well, it's Fishers, right? It doesn't have an apostrophe in the name,

[14:42] but I have to assume that it was originally Fishers, Indiana, like the Indiana that belonged

[14:46] to Fisher Stevens. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do two more before we take a quick break. Let's go to, oh,

[14:52] now we're going now North Carolina way to number five on the list. This is Cary, North Carolina,

[14:57] population 174,961, just shy of 175,000. You'll get there, Cary.

[15:02] If you want to hear something about it, it's got a humid subtropical climate.

[15:05] It's home to the world's largest private, fucking humid place.

[15:11] Some more humid stuff's coming up. It's home to the world's largest privately held software

[15:15] company. In 2021, it was named the safest mid-sized place to live in the United States.

[15:22] And the Cary Drainage Basin, it includes three creeks, the Crabtree, the Swift, and the Walnut.

[15:27] There's a Kellogg's factory there. It also, there's a nonprofit that promotes the use of cotton

[15:31] in the area. And it also has the Sri Venkateswari Temple, which serves the Hindus of the Research

[15:38] Triangle section of North Carolina. It's home to the North Carolina Courage women's soccer team.

[15:42] And they have shot a number of movies there, including parts of Ironman 3,

[15:46] and also a movie called Topspin about people competing to be on the Olympic ping pong team.

[15:51] So guys, Cary, North Carolina, what kind of movie character is it from what we've heard?

[15:56] Well, as soon as you say it's like voted the safest place, it makes me think of like Rebel

[16:00] Ridge or something where the local police department's skewing the numbers. Or like

[16:11] what, The World's End or whatever, where aliens have come in and they're taking over.

[16:15] Yeah, I mean, I could see aliens coming in to take over that software company or perhaps the

[16:20] locus of the cotton lobbying that Cary, North Carolina is. Dan, what do you think? Is that

[16:25] what comes to your mind, either corrupt cops or aliens, or is there anything else that feels more

[16:29] Cary specific? Man, was Alien Nation aliens and corrupt cops?

[16:34] I don't think they were corrupt cops. But they're drinking rotten milk.

[16:40] These cops are as rotten as the milk they drink to get drunk because they're aliens.

[16:44] And it's spoiled milk, I know. Don't write in and complain.

[16:50] You know who has a hard time on the Alien Nation planet? Barbers.

[16:55] Dan, you're saying?

[16:58] No, I was just gonna say that I totally zoned out on the description of this city because

[17:03] my brain was going to medical anxiety, as it often does.

[17:09] Are you doing okay, Dan? Do we need that?

[17:10] I hope so.

[17:13] Okay, so humid subtropical climate.

[17:16] Yeah, this is Fishers, Indiana.

[17:19] No, no, we're talking Cary, North Carolina.

[17:23] Named after Harry Cary or Cary Mulligan.

[17:26] Yeah, both. It was named after both of them and Jim Cary.

[17:28] You didn't even hit the most famous Cary.

[17:32] Cary Fisher.

[17:33] The most famous. Grant, I would say.

[17:36] That is spelled like Cary Grant's name. So maybe Cary Grant's in the movie.

[17:39] Cary Russell.

[17:41] There's no Cary Russell. It's spelled and pronounced differently.

[17:46] Anyway, so Cary, North Carolina. I feel like this is a wash.

[17:50] I feel like we didn't get it. We didn't get this one.

[17:52] Let's move on to, if only North Carolina could get another bite of this apple.

[17:56] Oh, and it does because number seven on the list is Apex, North Carolina.

[18:01] That name is too cool.

[18:02] Yeah, it's population 65,091.

[18:05] What's its climate like? You guessed it, humid.

[18:07] It's located pretty close to Cary, North Carolina.

[18:10] So maybe this double for both.

[18:11] Apex's city motto is the peak of good living.

[18:15] It's got a historic train depot from the 19th century.

[18:18] In 2015, it was named the number one place to live by Money Magazine.

[18:22] I guess they didn't care that in 2006, there was a chemical explosion at a waste

[18:26] processing facility that caused 16,000 people to evacuate.

[18:29] Luckily, no one was seriously hurt.

[18:31] Guess what? There's some famous residents of Apex, North Carolina.

[18:35] Do you want to hear about some of them?

[18:36] Yeah, yeah.

[18:37] Notable residents include Susan Higginbotham, the historical fiction author.

[18:41] There's also Justin Jettica, known as the human Ken doll,

[18:44] for the numerous plastic surgeries that he's had in his life.

[18:47] The lack of penis?

[18:50] And of course, Jason Alexander, the race car driver, not from Seinfeld.

[18:55] He spells it differently.

[18:56] Jason Alexander is from Seinfeld, of course, from New Jersey.

[18:59] Are they twin brothers?

[19:00] No, they're not twin brothers.

[19:02] So Apex, North Carolina, from what you know, what kind of movie

[19:06] is Apex, North Carolina, the character in?

[19:08] What does it feel like in this?

[19:09] What what kind of character is this city in this movie?

[19:11] You know, it's all based on the waste plant explosion.

[19:15] Like, you got to have a taxi or something.

[19:17] No, that's the direction you're going with it.

[19:19] I was like, oh, is this going to be like, you know, a China syndrome or like an Aaron

[19:24] Brockovich, like a kind of a, you know, drama about, you know, a company doing wrong and

[19:31] people uncovering it.

[19:33] And what's the city like?

[19:34] What makes it Apex that this is happening in?

[19:36] You know, what's what's the how does the city, how is it personified, you know?

[19:41] That everybody's everybody's super competitive,

[19:44] that they're all perfect versions of human beings.

[19:49] OK, so only the best, only the best, most perfect people can live there.

[19:54] And so the chemical explosion happens.

[19:56] It's like, oh, no, our best people are threatened by this.

[19:58] The city that is such high.

[20:00] Standards suddenly what happens when it falls below those standards. Yeah, maybe that's what's the the insidious thing that's going on. Is that uh,

[20:06] there's some sort of engineering out of like the the

[20:10] the lower

[20:11] Persons and that leads to this this insidious, uh company

[20:16] Uh, you know something goes wrong with them like a toxy has to show up and beat up all these beautiful people

[20:22] Oh, wow. Okay. So it's the it's the the ugliest among us is fighting the most beautiful among us

[20:26] Uh, which ones the hero toxi is right? Yeah, of course he is

[20:29] So do you guys have any other days based on that for carrie north carolina? We didn't really come up with much for carrie. Uh,

[20:35] I I mean, are you trying to put a slate together elliot of films?

[20:40] You know, there's uh, the north carolina film board has hired me to really get some movies going in in the in the

[20:45] Research triangle area of oh, no, that's uh, that's uh, yeah the research triangle area of north carolina. So

[20:51] I got a pitch for you. It's a slice of life comedy starring carrie elwes carrie mulligan carrie russell

[20:58] And jim carrie, okay, and they are all hanging out in carrie north carolina. And what's it called?

[21:05] carrie

[21:06] carry on

[21:09] Carry on to where uh, you the sequel to the the airport airport movie. Oh, you're going that way

[21:15] I was saying it was one of the british the old british carry on, uh comedies those ones. It's carry on carry

[21:22] Well, maybe it's a mix of both

[21:23] It's a comedy version of carry on the thriller set in carrie north carolina with all these carries

[21:27] Oh carrion, maybe there's some carrion involved. Yeah, probably wow or the spider-man villain carrion

[21:32] Uh, well guys, I think we figured it out for those for those cities. Let's take a short break

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[29:10] We just got a couple more cities that we're going to look at real quick to see what we can do for them

[29:15] So let's go to number 10 on that list of best places to live in the united states. And this is troy michigan population

[29:21] 87 452 guys, let me tell you a little bit about troy michigan that might help

[29:25] It's the 13th largest municipality in michigan

[29:28] It's home to both the somerset collection mall and the oakland mall as well

[29:32] Yeah, as well as troy historic village a historic village

[29:36] Uh, it used to have a newspaper called the troy eccentric, uh, but I don't think it's published anymore

[29:40] Uh, you know who went to high school there sutton foster and stephen ewan

[29:44] So some big stars went to high school there and movies shot in troy include it follows

[29:49] Uh, you don't know jack starring al pacino as jack cavorchian because as i've said before the biggest

[29:54] Uh shame you can have in america is to be portrayed by al pacino in a movie. Where's the greatest honor?

[30:00] to be portrayed by Tom Hanks in a movie and also Whip It, the roller derby movie and part

[30:04] of Dinner with Leatherface, a documentary about Gunnar Hansen, was shot in Troy, Michigan.

[30:08] So guys, Troy, Michigan, it's already Hollywood, they call it the Hollywood of Michigan.

[30:14] So guys, what is the character of Troy, Michigan and what movie would really make the most

[30:18] of Troy, Michigan?

[30:19] Movies have been set there, shot there, but what's the movie that really presents the

[30:23] character of Troy, Michigan?

[30:25] Now would Troy, Michigan be described as urban, suburban or rural?

[30:33] Almost 88,000 people live there.

[30:35] I'm guessing it's more suburban than anything else.

[30:37] You're like urban, suburban or ultra-urban?

[30:41] Yeah, yeah, it's a fucking shadow run arcology.

[30:46] Yeah, yeah, it's all mega blocks.

[30:49] It's mega city one, yeah, yeah.

[30:51] Maybe I'm just being influenced by the wide variety of films shot there, but there's something

[30:57] about it that's saying quirky and eclectic to me, like making it into sort of a northern

[31:04] exposure, Sicily, Alaska style town where something weird's always happening.

[31:10] And I was making a classic suburban slasher movie.

[31:14] I think you could do a little bit of both.

[31:15] I don't think I've seen a slasher in a city like that, where it's kind of a weird, quirky

[31:19] city.

[31:20] I've seen a paper called The Eccentric.

[31:21] I feel like that brings in, it's a weird, quirky town and there's a slasher on the loose.

[31:26] The slasher's loose in Sicily, Alaska or Austin, Texas or something like that, or Portland,

[31:33] Oregon.

[31:34] One of these town cities that considers itself a weird city.

[31:36] They tried to get rid of the slasher in Austin, but I was like, keep Austin weird, guys.

[31:40] We want that guy out there murdering people.

[31:42] Leatherface is basically right on Austin slasher.

[31:46] This is part of the Austin character.

[31:48] Make this a historically preserved landmark slasher.

[31:50] He should be like some kind of bat monster too, right?

[31:54] Because Austin's known for their bats.

[31:56] Guys, we're not talking about Austin.

[31:57] I feel like Austin, Texas has its movies and has its characters.

[32:00] We don't need to give Austin any help.

[32:03] I got a text from Richard Linklater.

[32:05] He says, stay out of Austin.

[32:07] Stay in Troy.

[32:08] It's mine.

[32:10] Okay, so Troy, Michigan.

[32:11] It is a quirky little town with a slasher running around in it.

[32:14] I like that for it.

[32:15] Okay, let's go to number 11 on this list.

[32:17] It's Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

[32:18] Population 116,677.

[32:21] So this is the biggest of the cities we're going to be talking about.

[32:23] It has a pretty cool name.

[32:25] Yeah, it's a cool name.

[32:26] It has a humid subtropical climate.

[32:30] I mean, every place is humid these days.

[32:32] Yeah, apparently everyone wants to be humid.

[32:34] It's the largest, largest suburb of Tulsa.

[32:36] They've got a FedEx ground office.

[32:38] They've got a Bass Pro Shop.

[32:39] They've got the Rima Bible Training Center.

[32:42] And you know what?

[32:43] Yeah, it's not a bass amateur shop.

[32:47] Amateurs need not apply.

[32:48] Professionals only.

[32:52] It's like I've pretended, you know, enough.

[32:55] I've worked hard to be a bass.

[32:56] Yeah, I think I've got to take some real money off of being a bass.

[33:00] Yeah, I was a small mouth bass before, but now I think I'm a large mouth.

[33:04] Yeah, I know all the words to that song that I have to sing when you push the button.

[33:11] You know who went to high school there?

[33:13] Another Broadway legend, Christian Chenoweth, went to high school.

[33:17] And movies shot in Broken Arrow include Tex with Matt Dillon,

[33:21] but neither of the two movies called Broken Arrow were shot or set in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

[33:26] First off, that's a slap in the face to Broken Arrow.

[33:29] Yeah, so guys, Broken Arrow, what's its character?

[33:32] What's the movie?

[33:33] Yeah.

[33:34] Well, it sounds like a big-ass city, right?

[33:37] It's pretty big.

[33:38] Yeah, it's a pretty big-ass city.

[33:39] As opposed to a big-ass city, which is what we were talking about earlier.

[33:43] Yeah, in Miami.

[33:43] Yeah, of course.

[33:47] It's a big bass city, too.

[33:48] They've got that Bass Pro Shop.

[33:49] Oh, Christ.

[33:50] This is a big bass city.

[33:52] Maybe there's something in there.

[33:54] I know that a fish ate Pittsburgh once, so...

[33:57] Yep, sure.

[33:59] Different city.

[34:00] Once.

[34:01] Just once.

[34:03] Pittsburgh has all these great things to look for, but a fish eats your city once.

[34:07] Suddenly, that's all they want to make of it.

[34:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[34:10] This is Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, you said?

[34:12] Yes, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

[34:14] I see a modern...

[34:16] I'm seeing, like, a modern western in an urban environment.

[34:22] But, you know, with the kind of Oklahoma western feel.

[34:26] And what is that Oklahoma western feel?

[34:28] You know, like tumbleweeds and shit.

[34:31] So just any western?

[34:33] Yes.

[34:34] So you're saying the city still has...

[34:36] This is a modern city of almost 120,000 people, and there's still tumbleweeds rolling through it.

[34:40] Yeah.

[34:40] I'm saying that it has the elements of a drifter coming into town and city, into this big city.

[34:50] And relatively, you know, relatively simple lines of good and evil drawn.

[34:55] However, there's, you know, more to it.

[34:59] And I don't know.

[35:00] So it's another city that has an underbelly.

[35:02] Always an underbelly.

[35:04] Similar to the first city we talked about, Johns Creek, Georgia.

[35:08] So Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, also has an underbelly.

[35:10] Dan, what do you think?

[35:11] I'm trying to think about, you know, what I know about Oklahoma.

[35:14] I've been there.

[35:14] And I remember when I was a child, I was there.

[35:17] And my impression was that it was very flat.

[35:20] And this is as a man who comes from Illinois.

[35:25] So that's saying something.

[35:27] I know that my dad is from Oklahoma.

[35:29] He's an Okie.

[35:30] Okay, is he from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma?

[35:32] Or...

[35:32] No, he's from closer to where Killers of the Flower Moon actually happened.

[35:36] Wasn't he one of the killers of the Flower Moon?

[35:38] No, he was not.

[35:39] He was a child.

[35:40] It was after that happened.

[35:42] But he did...

[35:43] Children can be killers.

[35:44] That's true.

[35:44] Dan, we've all seen the Bad Seed and Problem Child.

[35:47] It's true.

[35:48] But I guess I would say that I guess it should be like a fictionalized biopic about my dad.

[35:55] Yeah, yeah, I like it.

[35:56] Set in a city he didn't live in.

[35:57] Okay, I like it.

[35:57] That sounds good.

[35:58] Yeah, sure.

[36:00] Dads of the Flower Moon.

[36:01] Really highlights where he went wrong, you know?

[36:04] Yeah, Fathers of the Flower Moon.

[36:05] Or Killers of the Father Moon.

[36:07] Yeah, where did your dad go wrong, Dan?

[36:10] You know, like many men of his generation, you know, he probably could have done with like

[36:16] some therapy, you know, just like emotional training.

[36:18] But he's a good guy.

[36:20] He seems overall like a good guy.

[36:22] I mean, your parents have always struck me as good people.

[36:24] So I don't know why you're making them a monster who killed the Flower Moon.

[36:27] And you asked.

[36:29] They're great.

[36:29] I asked you to answer, Dan.

[36:31] It takes two to ask a question.

[36:32] One to ask and one to answer.

[36:33] Yeah.

[36:34] Yeah, but then if they're such good people, how did you guys end up like this?

[36:38] Okay, moving on to the next city in the list.

[36:41] Let's go to number 13.

[36:42] That's Ellicott City, Maryland.

[36:44] Population 77,336.

[36:46] Yes, I picked this one because it sounds like my name.

[36:48] It's spelled with two L's and two T's the proper way.

[36:52] Now, what kind of climate do you want to guess Ellicott City has?

[36:55] It's fucking humid.

[36:56] You bet it's humid.

[36:57] It's humid subtropical climate.

[36:59] There's sporadic snowfall in the winter, but usually relatively light.

[37:02] It's a suburb of Baltimore.

[37:04] It's called the heart and soul of Maryland because right in the center there.

[37:06] I think it once housed a fairy tale themed amusement park called the Enchanted Forest.

[37:11] It's since closed.

[37:12] It's also home to the oldest surviving railroad station in America.

[37:14] This is where the famous race took place in 1830 between the steam engine Tom Thumb and

[37:19] a horse where technically the steam engine lost because it broke down.

[37:22] But it showed people that steam power will be a thing to reckon with in the railroad

[37:26] industry.

[37:27] The armies passed through here several times in the Civil War, but I don't think they ever

[37:29] fought here.

[37:30] Notable residents, according to Wikipedia, include Divine and Edward Snowden.

[37:35] And there happens to be in a pod of humanity.

[37:41] What do they talk about?

[37:45] Yeah, I assume they were roommates at some point.

[37:46] Yeah, buddy comedy movie shot in Ellicott City include the goddess crybaby and the Blair

[37:52] Witch Project part of it.

[37:53] So what's so I feel like we're already backing into a movie where it's Divine and Edward

[37:58] Snowden together in some way.

[38:01] But yeah, what is what is the character of Ellicott City?

[38:04] I'm thinking of the character of Ellicott is sort of like a fast talking, know it all

[38:09] kind of a pain in the ass sometimes.

[38:14] Interesting.

[38:16] Devoted family man, sort of always too busy for things.

[38:20] Very, very stressed out.

[38:22] Yeah, you know, losing his hair.

[38:23] I think this is where my friend lives.

[38:27] I think my friend lives in in Frederick, Maryland, which I think is a suburb of Ellicott.

[38:33] And this is where I drove down to play Warhammer with him and my fucking car broke down and

[38:38] I got stuck there for a couple of extra days.

[38:41] You know, the character firsthand.

[38:42] I know the character first place where cars break down.

[38:45] I will say I was not able to get my car fixed on a Sunday because all the all the mechanics

[38:51] were closed.

[38:52] So that's there's something terrifying about that.

[38:55] Yes, it's a religious place, maybe a little cultish.

[38:58] Essentially, it's the town that dreaded Sundays.

[39:04] So so, Stuart, so let's build off.

[39:06] So it's the kind of town where you might your car might break down, but you might get stuck

[39:09] there for a little bit.

[39:09] Now, is it and then is it scary or you get caught in the kind of paranoid thriller of

[39:13] Edward Snowden, conspiratorial stuff?

[39:15] Or is it that you get stuck there and you learn something new about your life from divine

[39:18] and the other, you know, I learned something about my life.

[39:22] I also was like, I didn't bring enough clothes to stay here a couple extra days and walk

[39:27] and wash my underwear in the sink.

[39:28] So you learn to bring more clothes.

[39:30] So I had to like walk around.

[39:32] It was really hard to find.

[39:33] There's really few the like the hotel I was in was near shopping like a like a shopping

[39:40] center.

[39:40] But there's very few menswear stores, which was frustrating.

[39:45] OK, so Ellicott.

[39:46] So the city that might have been Ellicott that you got.

[39:49] I think it was that you got stuck in hard to get men's clothes there.

[39:52] It would explain.

[39:53] I mean, it's an interesting origin for divine personal style.

[39:56] It's hard to buy men's clothes there.

[40:00] Okay, guys, so I think we haven't really figured out

[40:02] Ellicott completely, but Dan, I like the way you were,

[40:04] something about the way you were describing it

[40:06] made it sound really cool, really cool and sexy.

[40:08] Yeah, I don't know why, it really appealed to me,

[40:10] this fast-talking, annoying workaholic.

[40:13] I think this is an example of my first-hand experience

[40:17] is actually a detriment, because it limits my imagination.

[40:20] Yeah, that's a good point.

[40:21] Sometimes it's better to be not bound by my experience.

[40:24] To be a fantasy.

[40:25] Yeah.

[40:26] So.

[40:26] I don't like the way Dan smiles when he says fantasy.

[40:29] I don't either.

[40:30] So there's one city left that-

[40:31] It's all I got, George R. R. Martin smiles

[40:33] when he says fantasy.

[40:37] Well, Dan is the author of several best-selling novels

[40:39] that will never be finished, sure, so.

[40:42] They're not gonna be finished?

[40:43] I mean, get George on the job.

[40:46] He's not, doesn't seem that intent on doing it, but.

[40:48] But I put so much, I've read all these books

[40:51] and he's not gonna finish them?

[40:52] No, I mean, maybe he will.

[40:54] Maybe he'll hire somebody else to finish them someday.

[40:56] It's okay.

[40:57] Maybe you, Stuart.

[41:00] That would be amazing.

[41:02] There'd all of a sudden be some really cool characters

[41:04] introduced that look a lot like me.

[41:07] Yeah.

[41:07] And I would be, and all the babes would be like,

[41:09] he's the best.

[41:10] And all the dudes are like, he's scary and tough and cool.

[41:13] And I'd be like, hell yes, Stuart is cool.

[41:15] Yeah, and what's the title of this concluding

[41:17] Game of Thrones volume that you're gonna,

[41:19] or Song of Ice and Fire volume that you're gonna write?

[41:21] Yeah.

[41:22] Fire of Stews.

[41:23] What?

[41:24] Okay.

[41:25] A Pot of Stews, let's go with that.

[41:28] So this last one, see, we're gonna talk about,

[41:30] this is number 31 on this list.

[41:32] Again, there's 250 cities on this list.

[41:33] We couldn't cover them all.

[41:34] Maybe we'll, you know what?

[41:36] Next year, maybe we'll set some incredibly high pledge goal.

[41:40] And if we reach it, we'll talk about all 250 cities

[41:42] on this list.

[41:44] But it would have to be that we'd have to get like 30,000

[41:46] new and upgraded subscribers or 50,000.

[41:48] And then we'll just live stream us

[41:50] going through all of them constantly.

[41:51] Going crazy.

[41:52] Exactly.

[41:53] So question, so this is city number 31,

[41:56] West Des Moines, Iowa,

[41:57] not to be confused with Des Moines, Iowa.

[41:59] Or East Des Moines.

[42:00] Or East Des Moines, that's true, or North or South.

[42:02] Population 71,794.

[42:04] Climate, you guessed it, humid continental.

[42:07] Fucking A.

[42:09] In 1915, a major auto race was held here

[42:11] and a couple people were killed accidentally

[42:13] during the race.

[42:14] Until 1937, though, it was called Valley Junction.

[42:17] But voters changed the name to West Des Moines

[42:19] because they thought it sounded more prestigious

[42:21] and glamorous, West Des Moines.

[42:23] They wanted all the glamor of Des Moines, Iowa.

[42:26] So Microsoft has a number of data centers there,

[42:27] including one of the locations where Chet GPT was trained.

[42:30] So it is evil.

[42:32] And I don't know what movies were shot there

[42:34] because when I tried to research it,

[42:35] I kept getting movies that were shot in regular Des Moines

[42:38] and not West Des Moines.

[42:39] Again, it's a different place than Des Moines.

[42:41] So guys, what is the character of West Des Moines

[42:44] and what kind of story are we telling about it

[42:45] to bring out that character?

[42:46] Evil AI, you already touched it.

[42:49] What were you gonna say?

[42:50] I mean, the fact that you couldn't find anything

[42:52] for West Des Moines because of Des Moines,

[42:54] I was always thinking, I was thinking,

[42:55] you know, like overshadowed, feeling like unappreciated.

[42:59] Sort of.

[43:00] Yeah, the kind of thing that would lead them

[43:01] to create an evil AI.

[43:02] Yeah, of course, yeah.

[43:03] Yeah.

[43:04] Take the revenge.

[43:05] So West Des Moines is always living

[43:06] in the shadow of regular Des Moines.

[43:07] It's the little brother of the two, yeah.

[43:09] And so it's a place full of resentment,

[43:11] seething with resentment.

[43:13] If you live in West Des Moines,

[43:14] please write in and let me know

[43:15] if the city seethes with resentment.

[43:17] Yeah.

[43:18] And knows that it's taking part in evil.

[43:19] It's like, I went to school with this kid

[43:22] who was from Youngstown, Ohio,

[43:25] and he would always talk about how Youngstown, Ohio

[43:27] was like really dangerous and tough

[43:28] and it had a really big murder rate.

[43:30] It did.

[43:31] And he was like, when he was a kid,

[43:32] he was like, the murder rate was so high,

[43:34] they called it Little Chicago

[43:36] until Youngstown's murder rate exceeded Chicago's.

[43:38] And they started calling Chicago Big Youngstown.

[43:42] I'm like, I do not think they ever did that.

[43:44] Nobody has ever called it that.

[43:46] I mean, Youngstown, I guess.

[43:47] You go to Big Youngstown.

[43:50] So guys, I think we figured out a lot of these cities.

[43:52] Again, to repeat what we decided,

[43:55] Jones Creek, Georgia, number one,

[43:57] greatest place to live in the U.S.

[43:59] according to U.S. News and World Report.

[44:00] That is going to be a seedy underbelly.

[44:02] Too humid for me, sorry.

[44:03] Or romantic comedy.

[44:05] Fishers, Indiana, number four on the list.

[44:08] We didn't really, what did we come up with for Fishers?

[44:12] Fisher Stevens.

[44:13] Fisher Stevens hangs out there.

[44:15] Yeah, I guess so.

[44:16] And goes fishing.

[44:16] Slice of Life, I think that was Slice of Life,

[44:18] teens trying to escape, yeah.

[44:20] Then there's number five and number seven,

[44:21] Cary, North Carolina and Apex, North Carolina.

[44:23] Cary is full of Carys.

[44:24] And Apex was the place where Toxie is fighting off

[44:28] the people made too beautiful.

[44:31] Then Troy, Michigan, we talked about.

[44:33] It's a quirky little town, little city

[44:35] that's also got a slasher.

[44:37] Broken Arrow, Oklahoma,

[44:38] which is kind of a modern day Western

[44:40] with moral boundaries being crossed.

[44:43] And tumbleweeds.

[44:45] And tumbleweeds and professional bass.

[44:47] Ellicott City, Maryland is basically me, but a city.

[44:50] And Divine is there, hard to buy man's clothes.

[44:53] And West Des Moines, Iowa is of course resentful

[44:57] about the shadow cast by Big Des Moines.

[44:59] So if you live in any of these,

[45:01] yeah, if you live in any of these cities,

[45:02] tell us how good we did.

[45:03] Did we accurately describe your city?

[45:06] Is that the kind of movie you want to see

[45:07] about the place you live?

[45:08] I would love to hear about it.

[45:09] Just write to Elliot Kalin, care of Dan McCoy,

[45:12] real address TBD.

[45:13] Dan, just include your real address later on.

[45:16] Will do.

[45:17] And we will be happy to find out

[45:19] how right or wrong we were.

[45:20] That is, of course, this episode of The Map House,

[45:23] a subsidiary podcast of The Flophouse.

[45:25] Hollywood, there you have it.

[45:27] You got a whole slew of new city characters

[45:28] to start sitting movies in,

[45:30] courtesy of me, Elliot Kalin, and my cohorts,

[45:32] Dan McCoy and Stuart Wellington.

[45:34] I'd like to, of course, thank Alex Smith, our producer.

[45:37] He goes under the name Howell Doughty

[45:38] when he's recording music and magic online.

[45:41] The music is magical and the magic is musical.

[45:43] He doesn't actually do magic,

[45:44] but he's a really talented musician.

[45:46] We are a podcast of the MaxFun Network.

[45:48] Please try the other MaxFun shows

[45:50] if you like silliness and information about cities

[45:53] maybe you never thought about before.

[45:54] Until next time, this has been The Map House.

[45:57] Join us next week for the regular Flophouse.

[46:00] Goodbye and good locating to you.

[46:04] Bye.

[46:05] Actually, I should have said,

[46:06] place be with you.

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FH Mini 133 - Cinematic Cities

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