Ep. #306 - The Fanatic

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss The Fanatic.

[0:04] For anyone who thought Joker was too nuanced and smart.

[0:30] Hey everyone, welcome to The Flophouse.

[0:37] I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:38] Wow, Dan, it's me, Stuart Wellington.

[0:42] And over here in Los Angeles, Elliot Kalin, I'm going to apologize ahead of time.

[0:45] I have a little bit of a cough, so if you hear any coughing, that is my throat manufacturing phlegm

[0:52] for me to expectorate into the open air in order to spread the contagion that's inside me

[0:57] because that's how it reproduces from body to body.

[0:59] And thank you for that health warning, Elliot, but I think we need to get right to the meat of this sandwich.

[1:04] That's right.

[1:06] We're not alone in this universe or this world.

[1:09] We are not alone on this podcast either because we are joined today by a special someone,

[1:16] someone who is on the podcast's Hey There From the Magic Tavern.

[1:23] Hey There From the Magic Tavern.

[1:26] That's our casual spinoff.

[1:31] Hello From the Magic Tavern and Hey Riddle Riddle.

[1:34] That's right.

[1:35] Adil Rafai has joined us.

[1:36] Hey there, Adil.

[1:37] Hey, thanks for having me.

[1:38] I'll be your little cinema boy.

[1:40] Is that a term?

[1:42] Cinema boy?

[1:43] No, I mean, it's a term I've never heard before and yet the minute I heard it,

[1:46] I instantly understood every aspect of it.

[1:49] Is that a Neil Young B-side, cinema boy?

[1:53] It's certainly a better title for this podcast.

[1:56] I found it startlingly erotic.

[2:00] That's the blurb that's going to be on that word.

[2:03] Startlingly erotic, says Dan McCoy, of the word cinema boy.

[2:07] B-O-I.

[2:08] So thanks for joining us, Adil.

[2:09] Thanks for having me.

[2:10] We brought you in, you know, as Elliot mentioned in the intro,

[2:14] this is a movie directed by Fred Durst, the vocalist for new metal band Lip Bizkit,

[2:21] and you insisted that we have you on because you're a huge Lip Bizkit fan, right?

[2:25] 100%.

[2:26] I thought it was the absolute correct move for Fred Durst to parlay his musical fame 14 years later

[2:30] into directing one of the worst movies of all time.

[2:33] And also you should direct, if your name rhymes with dead worst, you should always direct.

[2:39] Always direct.

[2:41] Well, I remember reading an interview with Fred Durst years ago,

[2:43] the first time he announced that he was going to direct a movie,

[2:46] and I think that one didn't get off the ground,

[2:47] and he said in the interview, the reason I made a band was so I could direct music videos,

[2:52] so I could start directing movies.

[2:54] And it's like that's a real roundabout path to becoming a film director, Fred.

[2:57] He made it happen.

[2:59] God bless him.

[3:00] He did make it happen.

[3:01] Good point.

[3:02] It's like in that movie Funny People where Adam Sandler's character becomes a super famous movie star

[3:07] so he can beat cancer, right?

[3:10] Yeah, that's how that movie works.

[3:12] Because when death shows up to take him away, he goes,

[3:15] Wait, are you Adam Sandler?

[3:17] Can I get your autograph on my site?

[3:19] That's not his character's name in the movie, though, right?

[3:22] Yeah, yeah.

[3:23] Oh, sorry.

[3:24] His character's name was Little Nicky.

[3:26] So this is a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[3:32] We didn't say that up front.

[3:33] We didn't reset the premise, but I'm doing it now.

[3:36] That's okay, Dan.

[3:37] The podcast has only been going for a couple of minutes.

[3:39] I don't think people are wandering around the streets confused, not sure if there's a God or not.

[3:44] Oh, no, no.

[3:45] I just knew that within seconds you'd start berating me for not having said that.

[3:49] So I was trying to cut that off.

[3:51] Sketching out all our characters now.

[3:53] Yeah.

[3:54] Now, Dan, I don't want to be your therapist for a moment, even though I should be your therapist.

[3:57] I'm very good at it.

[3:58] But do you think you're projecting on me the inner Dan that would be berating you?

[4:03] For listeners, Dan is laying on a couch.

[4:06] Elliot is behind him with a sketch pad.

[4:08] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

[4:09] Then I'm just drawing pictures of Dan's hands.

[4:11] Clicking a pen.

[4:13] He's drawing me like one of his French girls.

[4:17] Now, so we watched this movie, as you said, directed by Fred Durst, starring Mr. John Travolta, who's having a bad time lately.

[4:24] Star of Gotti, John Travolta.

[4:26] Yeah.

[4:27] Uh-huh, and he's best known for such films as Phenomenon, Lucky Numbers, you know, those movies.

[4:32] Yeah.

[4:33] This movie had something like a $6,000 per screen average.

[4:38] It was an incredible flop.

[4:40] Oh, no.

[4:41] I mean, I think it was like – I think it –

[4:43] $3,000?

[4:44] Let's take a look.

[4:45] Let's look it up.

[4:46] I've got it right in front of me.

[4:47] The entire domestic box office in theaters was $3,153.

[4:50] Oh, sorry.

[4:51] $3,153.

[4:52] Yeah.

[4:53] I mean, $6,000 per screen is not that bad.

[4:54] That would be good.

[4:55] That would be good, actually.

[4:56] No, from 52 theaters –

[4:57] More like shoebox office.

[4:59] Whoa.

[5:00] Oh, shit.

[5:01] All we know is – all we know is the opening day.

[5:04] And from 52 theaters, it earned $3,100 and some odd dollars.

[5:07] That is insane.

[5:09] Okay, well –

[5:10] Not a great –

[5:11] I mean, I bought out at least one whole theater of two seats.

[5:14] For your birthday party.

[5:15] For my birthday party.

[5:16] You're like, I'm so excited to see this movie.

[5:18] Sadly –

[5:19] You're like, I'm a fanatic fanatic.

[5:20] I've got to see this.

[5:21] Yeah.

[5:22] And the sad thing was I just went by myself.

[5:23] I bought the second seat to hold my popped corn.

[5:26] Right, guys?

[5:27] You've got to get a big old bucket of popped corn.

[5:30] What?

[5:31] I think you called it popped popcorn.

[5:33] Yeah.

[5:34] Big old bucket.

[5:35] Why are you trying to encourage us to back you up on the idea that popped corn is an appropriate movie snack?

[5:42] It's so salty.

[5:43] It's good, right?

[5:44] Stuart, you famously bought stock in concessions.

[5:47] Uh-huh.

[5:48] I bought stockings at the concession stand.

[5:52] This movie theater has everything.

[5:54] But to be fair –

[5:55] They have legs and eggs.

[5:57] You bought those stockings because you thought it was a giant egg.

[5:59] You were like, an ostrich egg?

[6:01] This is exotic.

[6:02] And then you opened it, and there were stockings inside.

[6:04] And they were wrapped around a duck egg.

[6:06] I'm kind of sad.

[6:07] Why are you sad, Dan?

[6:09] I don't know.

[6:10] I just – I mean, obviously I don't – well, not obviously.

[6:13] Who knows?

[6:14] Maybe I need pantyhose.

[6:15] For our listeners, Dan is still on the couch.

[6:16] He's now projecting about his dad.

[6:18] I don't personally wear pantyhose, but my mom used to have those legs, eggs.

[6:23] Wow, this really is a therapy session.

[6:25] Talking about mom's legs.

[6:26] I just thought they were fun.

[6:27] And her eggs.

[6:28] It is fun.

[6:29] A little plastic egg.

[6:30] No, no, what I love about them is that they –

[6:32] I'm not going to say it's not fun.

[6:34] They continue the confusion about eggs that culture has always had,

[6:38] where they're like, do bunnies lay eggs?

[6:40] And when you open the eggs, there are pantyhose inside?

[6:42] Yeah.

[6:43] I guess so.

[6:44] Mother nature is crazy.

[6:45] Life finds a way.

[6:48] These pantyhose were all supposed to be women.

[6:50] Now they're reproducing.

[6:51] Speaking of life finds a way, like this is –

[6:53] Are you suggesting that if maybe they extracted DNA out of a mosquito,

[6:58] they might be able to bring back the legs, eggs?

[7:01] Yeah.

[7:02] It's the only way we can do it.

[7:03] So I guess call up B.D. Wong and see if he can get to work on that in the lab.

[7:07] I apologize for further delaying the movie, but I have to tell you guys,

[7:10] I went to see the Jurassic World live tour last night at the Barclays Center.

[7:15] That's why Adol's in town, right?

[7:17] You play the Tyrannosaurus.

[7:19] I famously play Jeff Velociraptor.

[7:22] Wow.

[7:23] The titular Velociraptor.

[7:24] No, it's like –

[7:25] Wait a minute.

[7:26] The title is not Velociraptors.

[7:28] There is no titular Velociraptor.

[7:29] Well, there's parentheses.

[7:32] Unless the name of the stage show is

[7:34] Jurassic Park, The Adventures of Jeff Velociraptor,

[7:37] which it could be.

[7:38] I didn't see it.

[7:39] It was until my incident, yeah.

[7:40] Okay.

[7:41] This Barclays Center is some sort of arena?

[7:43] Yeah.

[7:44] Where is that located?

[7:45] It's an arena in Brooklyn.

[7:47] Okay, interesting.

[7:48] And so they put on this show.

[7:50] How's the parking?

[7:51] I mean, guys, you're delaying some pretty sweet stuff.

[7:56] Okay.

[7:57] This is where the Nets play?

[7:59] Yes, this is where the Nets play.

[8:00] Now, they have –

[8:01] they've converted it to Isla Nublar or whatever,

[8:05] Isla Sorna, whichever one it is.

[8:07] Indina Menzel.

[8:08] Like a true white man.

[8:10] Yes, continue.

[8:11] So it's basically a stunt show with dinosaurs,

[8:14] and the plot is just stringing together reasons

[8:17] to get from one dinosaur thing.

[8:18] Now, wait, Daniel.

[8:19] Daniel, you have –

[8:20] okay, you've really opened a lot of question worms.

[8:22] Sure.

[8:23] So it's a stunt show with dinosaurs.

[8:25] There are real dinosaurs performing stunts?

[8:27] Well, I'm going to get to that.

[8:28] So it is a story about how they have to go back to these –

[8:33] like these new characters have to go back to the island

[8:35] with their, like, trained dinosaur.

[8:37] It's not a velociraptor.

[8:38] I don't know what it is.

[8:39] It's kind of like a velociraptor.

[8:41] It's, like, got a thinner neck.

[8:42] Maybe Elliot knows.

[8:43] But they have to –

[8:45] I mean, I didn't see the show.

[8:46] There could be any number of dinosaurs I don't know.

[8:47] They have to go back to rescue her eggs,

[8:49] but of course InGen, the evil InGen, wants the eggs too.

[8:52] It doesn't really matter what's going on

[8:53] except for there's a bunch of, like, punching

[8:55] and motorcycles going around along with the dinosaurs.

[8:58] But it's these –

[9:00] Again, these dinosaurs, Dan.

[9:01] I'm going to get to the dinosaurs.

[9:03] Before that, though, I want to say there's, like, two adult scientists

[9:07] and then there are two interns that they take along for some reason

[9:11] on this dinosaur adventure,

[9:13] and one of the interns is, like, this kid who, like,

[9:15] keeps, like, dancing and dabbing all the time

[9:18] and wants to, like, livestream his –

[9:20] like, he's playing to the raptors, this kid.

[9:22] Playing to the raptors?

[9:25] So there are raptors in the raptors?

[9:27] And it's one of these things –

[9:29] Yeah, the Toronto Raptors are sitting in the raptors.

[9:31] They're waiting for the game.

[9:33] People are in raptors.

[9:34] It's one of these shows where all the dialogue is prerecorded,

[9:37] and so the actors are just miming along to this prerecorded dialogue,

[9:41] and they have to mime as big as they can

[9:43] so everyone can see what their emotion is at any time.

[9:46] But anyway, the dinosaurs.

[9:48] Okay.

[9:49] The raptors are basically –

[9:50] Keeping in mind that this is a podcast about the movie Fanatic

[9:53] and we are going to record, like, a mini episode of The Flophouse afterwards,

[9:56] which would be the perfect time to go into detail about the Jurassic Park live show.

[9:59] No, no, no.

[10:00] I feel like this is main feed, this is the main line.

[10:03] The dinosaurs, so the velociraptors look pretty good,

[10:06] because they're like those kind of puppets that,

[10:08] like a guy's inside and walking around,

[10:11] but they like make the legs look like velociraptor legs.

[10:14] That's great, fine with that.

[10:16] But then, like-

[10:17] So wait, wait, these legs,

[10:18] these are legs that came out of an egg.

[10:20] Yes, these are legs that came out of an egg,

[10:23] because they're velociraptor legs.

[10:25] But then they would have like a stegosaurus come out,

[10:29] basically like barely moving its legs,

[10:31] barely moving its arms.

[10:32] It would just be on this like cart.

[10:35] Stegosaurs don't have arms, continue.

[10:39] Sorry, I meant to say barely moving its legs,

[10:42] barely moving its head.

[10:43] But it was on this like cart on a track

[10:45] that would like go around the stadium.

[10:47] And it was at that moment that they were like,

[10:49] ba da da da da, ba da da da da.

[10:53] The majesty of it.

[10:53] The fucking majesty of this.

[10:54] Yeah, the big sweat music.

[10:55] It's amazing.

[10:57] You know, and then the T-Rex comes out at the end

[10:59] and everyone's happy.

[11:00] Yeah, but Laura Dern reprised her role, right?

[11:03] Laura Dern was there.

[11:05] Oscar winner Laura Dern.

[11:06] And the Phoenix Suns gorilla was there.

[11:08] Sorry?

[11:09] Phoenix Suns gorilla was there, and Dunkasaurus.

[11:11] Yeah, yeah.

[11:12] They did have a scene at the end

[11:14] where they had blowtorch, not blowtorch,

[11:17] just flamethrowers trying to like, you know,

[11:19] scare the T-Rex.

[11:20] So there were flamethrowers and a T-Rex on stage.

[11:24] And I'm like, this is the best type of entertainment.

[11:27] Yeah.

[11:28] I really like the idea of Laura Dern

[11:29] having booked that tour,

[11:31] not thinking she was gonna win an Oscar for Marriage Story.

[11:34] And now she did, and she's like,

[11:35] oh, I wish I could take movie roles,

[11:37] but instead I'm stuck on the Jurassic Park live tour.

[11:39] But she's, the thing is,

[11:40] she's inside one of the Velociraptor puppets.

[11:42] That's the role that she took.

[11:44] Yeah.

[11:45] All right.

[11:46] So nobody even knows that it's her.

[11:46] Sorry, I'm sorry for derailing.

[11:49] You just set it up so well, and I, you know.

[11:51] Well, I mean, I think this is a movie

[11:52] that's about one man's obsession with...

[11:58] With Hollywood and excitement.

[12:00] And I think, you know,

[12:01] we got a little bit of that from your story, Dan.

[12:03] Okay, well, let's move into the meat of the podcast.

[12:06] Wait, Dan, on a scale from zero to cats,

[12:09] how excited have you been by this viewing?

[12:12] Well, I was, I had a cold,

[12:13] so my excitement was lower than it should have been.

[12:16] But, you know, like a seven, maybe?

[12:18] I don't, like, it's really dumb,

[12:20] but I was walking out and I was like,

[12:22] you know, this is for kids.

[12:23] Like, I, oh, that reminds me of the best.

[12:27] This is famously also the stadium

[12:29] where you went to see the circus by yourself.

[12:31] Yeah, but this is the best thing I forgot.

[12:34] At the end, like, the tough guys

[12:37] talking to the good dinosaur being like,

[12:40] you know, you finally convinced me.

[12:42] Not all dinosaurs are bad.

[12:44] And this real, like, you son of a bitch kind of like voice.

[12:47] And then behind us, this little kid goes,

[12:49] aw, that is so sweet.

[12:53] So the target audience loved that dinosaur show.

[12:57] That's nice, that's nice.

[12:58] Okay, so that's the Flophouse.

[13:01] Thank you so much for listening to us today.

[13:04] Yeah, so we've been brought to you by,

[13:05] I guess, dinosaurs.

[13:08] Okay, so the Fanatic, guys, let's get to the real,

[13:10] let's get to what we're actually talking about today.

[13:12] So the Fanatic begins, as all great movies do,

[13:16] with a title card quoting one of its own characters.

[13:19] Real quick, Adel, just interrupt Elliot

[13:21] as much as possible.

[13:22] That's kind of how we do things here.

[13:23] Oh, great, yeah.

[13:24] Don't be afraid to just jump in

[13:25] and throw some shit at me.

[13:26] Let me just say that the Fanatic answers the question,

[13:27] what would happen if Rain Man was a horror film?

[13:30] Oh, yeah, kinda, yeah.

[13:32] I mean, Rain Man is a great name for a horror film.

[13:35] Yeah.

[13:35] Because it's like a serial killer

[13:38] who is executed out in the rain

[13:40] and then he turns his body into rain

[13:42] and he, like, gets people all wet

[13:44] and then they slip and die.

[13:46] Or like, they're killer raindrops

[13:48] and people are like,

[13:49] have you heard the legend of the Rain Man?

[13:51] That's just an old story.

[13:53] I don't believe in that kid stuff.

[13:54] But then the rain starts killing people.

[13:56] Isn't that basically the plot of the movie

[13:57] in Bo Finker, Chubby Rain?

[13:59] Oh, that's fair.

[14:00] They have, like, aliens coming down in the rain?

[14:03] Aliens are invading Earth

[14:04] by hiding in drops of rain, right?

[14:06] Okay.

[14:07] And it's different than the movie Heavy Rain,

[14:08] which is just like a flood

[14:10] and there's a bank heist, right?

[14:11] Yeah, and Christian Slater going around on a jet ski.

[14:14] And Elliot, how is it different

[14:15] from the video game Hard Rain?

[14:18] Hard Rain, because I don't really remember

[14:20] Hard Rain that well.

[14:21] Okay, and how is it different from the Bob Dylan song

[14:23] Hard Rain to the Fall? I thought it was Heavy Rain.

[14:24] Is it Heavy Rain?

[14:25] It's Heavy Rain.

[14:26] What about Black Rain with Michael Douglas?

[14:28] And how is it different from Rain Wilson?

[14:30] Well, that's because he's a person

[14:31] and Purple Rain is also a movie,

[14:33] but that's about a different guy.

[14:35] How is it different from Rain of Fire?

[14:38] And, well, that's spelled differently.

[14:39] That's not rain, like, rain falling on the sky.

[14:42] I don't think so!

[14:44] I mean, it is raining dragons, Elliot.

[14:48] It's raining dragons, hallelujah.

[14:52] Okay, so The Fanatic opens with a quote

[14:54] from Hunter Dunbar about how he's nothing without his fans.

[14:57] You're like, who's Hunter Dunbar?

[14:58] Let me do a quick Google search.

[15:00] Oh, that's not a real person, it's a fictional character.

[15:01] Let's move on with the movie.

[15:02] And we open with a tough, cynical VO

[15:04] from this lady who we'll learn later

[15:06] is a paparazzo named Leah, no last name given,

[15:09] about how Los Angeles is the city of bullshitters

[15:12] and it wrecks people.

[15:13] And I gotta say, guys, I have been living that experience.

[15:16] I am a shell of a man because this city of lies

[15:19] has chewed me up and spit me out.

[15:21] Want me to tell you more about it?

[15:23] No.

[15:24] Yeah, I mean, mercy.

[15:26] I look at you and I see the sunken eyes

[15:28] of Jake Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawler.

[15:31] Oh, yeah, well, now that I came out here

[15:33] to be a big-time TV writer,

[15:35] but now I find myself having the job

[15:37] of having to go around and kill people's pets

[15:39] in the middle of the night

[15:40] just to earn enough money to keep my family under a bridge.

[15:43] That's Los Angeles for you, fame.

[15:45] Ain't it a bitch?

[15:46] Elliot, Elliot, on a scale of slightly to not at all,

[15:51] how essential is this narration to the movie?

[15:54] I would call it, how non-essential can it get?

[15:59] Yeah.

[16:01] Not only would you not notice

[16:02] if the narration was gone from the movie,

[16:04] at times I forgot there was narration in the movie

[16:06] and then Leah's voice would pop up again

[16:08] and I'd be like, oh, this, oh, right, I forgot.

[16:10] So do you think there's gonna be a cut

[16:12] where they just remove the narration

[16:14] like a reverse Blade Runner director's cut thing

[16:16] or whatever,

[16:17] or was it a non-reverse Blade Runner's director cut thing?

[16:19] I can't remember which one.

[16:20] No, it was a regular director's cut,

[16:21] an old, just an old-fashioned director's cut.

[16:23] But which is the one that,

[16:24] was it the original theatrical release?

[16:26] They wanted it, right?

[16:28] Voiceover, to clarify.

[16:29] The studio one, they wanted a voiceover in Blade Runner

[16:31] merely because the movie is incomprehensible without it,

[16:34] because it's a series of beautiful images

[16:35] not linked by a coherent story,

[16:38] but this is more of a double-Dutch Blade Runner

[16:40] in that it is ugly to look at and also has a narration

[16:43] and also the story is kind of dumb.

[16:44] So anyway, the real character,

[16:46] the real star of the film is Moose.

[16:48] Played, is Moose, played by John Travolta.

[16:51] And Leah's like, he's unbreakable.

[16:53] We first meet him riding his moped

[16:55] and we learn he's a big horror movie fan.

[16:57] And also it's pretty clear that he has,

[17:00] you know, a different way of interacting

[17:02] with the world.

[17:03] Can we go, I think up front,

[17:04] like we've dealt with movies that portray characters

[17:08] with like emotional problems and learning disabilities.

[17:12] And clearly Moose has something going on.

[17:14] Yeah, he's got some sort of developmental issue.

[17:17] I just want to point out that at no point

[17:18] are we making fun, do we want to make light of that

[17:21] or make fun of people that actually are struggling

[17:23] with anything like that.

[17:24] Yeah, make fun of bad acting, not anything else.

[17:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[17:27] Because it's a very insensitive script.

[17:29] I mean, Travolta is putting his all into this character

[17:33] and I can only imagine that in his mind,

[17:36] he is doing something sensitive and noble.

[17:41] He is Sam.

[17:43] But what happens in the movie is you see this sort of like

[17:48] terribly offensive depiction of a person

[17:53] who's struggling with some sort of problem.

[17:55] He is, I assume, meant to be somewhere

[17:57] on the autism spectrum.

[17:59] And again, we do not make light of anyone with that,

[18:03] I don't know, with that way of living.

[18:04] Like I know lots of people who are in different places

[18:06] on that spectrum and they all live their lives

[18:08] and none of them ride around on a moped

[18:12] pretending to be an English Bobby

[18:12] and demanding that movie stars sign their leather jackets.

[18:15] So he goes to his pal and runs a memorabilia store

[18:20] and he's so excited because his favorite actor,

[18:23] Hunter Dunbar, who as far as we can tell

[18:25] from the evidence given in the movie

[18:26] is a bad actor who makes crap,

[18:28] is gonna be signing at, he's supposed to go to a party

[18:31] that Hunter Dunbar is at later

[18:32] and he's gonna be signing at the store tomorrow night

[18:35] and the store guy cuts him a break

[18:37] and sells him the very leather vest

[18:39] emblazoned with the name Rico in sequence on the back

[18:42] that Hunter wore in the movie Space Vampires.

[18:46] So right off the bat, this feels like a movie that was made

[18:48] by-

[18:49] Elliot was pausing for laughter.

[18:50] It feels like a movie made by people

[18:53] who haven't actually seen real movies

[18:55] because they're like, oh yeah,

[18:56] he wore that in Space Vampires.

[18:58] And I'm like, so is he supposed to make garbage

[19:00] or is he supposed to be like famous and rich?

[19:02] Because he's got a big wealthy house

[19:03] but all of his movies sound like

[19:05] direct to VOD movies, right?

[19:08] Yeah.

[19:09] And doesn't this scene open with Travolta

[19:11] saying something like, I don't have a lot of time,

[19:13] I gotta poop?

[19:15] Is that the-

[19:15] Yes, I think so.

[19:16] Poop.

[19:17] Poop, okay, I'm sorry.

[19:19] Sillier.

[19:20] Well, that's to add a ticking clock

[19:21] to make some suspense for the scene.

[19:23] Well, Stuart recognized that Hunter Dunbar

[19:27] famously won for 1992 Best Makeup

[19:30] and what was the other?

[19:32] Yeah, later on-

[19:32] He's not an actor, he's-

[19:34] Yeah, wait a minute.

[19:34] He's like, later on when Moose invades his home

[19:38] and is taking pictures of his,

[19:40] let's say modest collection of trophies.

[19:43] One of them is for Best Makeup,

[19:45] the other is for like Best Stunts.

[19:47] And I'm like-

[19:48] Supporting actress.

[19:49] Yeah, Best Original Song.

[19:54] So Moose goes home and he's practicing in the mirror

[19:57] something that he can say to Hunter Dunbar.

[19:59] Again, let's-

[20:00] Let's can we take a moment to talk about what a fakie sounding name hunter Dunbar is because it sounds like a

[20:05] Combinator it sounds like a character who thinks he's really cool, but really he's the heir to like a candy fortune

[20:11] Like and that's what I kept thinking was like. What is a Dunbar like?

[20:15] How does it so how did what did that name make you feel like did you feel like?

[20:19] Oh, this is a tough cool action star

[20:21] Well, he's played by Devon Sawa, so people remember best of course from Little Giants

[20:27] Who people probably remember best from the first Final Destination and perhaps idle hands

[20:33] I don't know depending in the Stan music video. Yeah, I

[20:36] you know I just I mean he is kind of jacked in this, but I can't take him seriously as like a

[20:42] Menacing figure because of my associations with him. I'm merely asking about the name hunter Dunbar, okay?

[20:48] Will you like you're like? Oh this guy sounds badass uh I mean hunter immediately makes makes it seem that he's badass

[20:55] Although I would think that moose would be frightened of him because don't hunters hunt mooses

[21:02] You know what forget everything I was gonna say this movie is brilliant, so so what I previewed that joke for you earlier at all

[21:11] Yeah, I was expecting a bigger reaction

[21:19] Yeah pupils are dilated

[21:22] And oh and he's named Dunbar because when moose goes to the party he is done at the bar

[21:29] Because in the only funny joke in the movie he asked for a milkshake with real ice cream in it and the bartender is like

[21:34] We don't have that

[21:37] As a bartender I can't tell you the number of times

[21:40] I have to deal with a situation like that

[21:41] And I'm just like the whole goal all my training is designed around how to massage

[21:48] Customer from their initial desire

[21:49] Which is of course a milkshake with real ice cream to something that we do carry like a milkshake without real ice cream

[21:57] So could you make a milkshake, but without with it? Do you have the other ingredients?

[22:01] Did you have yes?

[22:02] So I would pour some milk into a glass and I would shake it in front of their face and be like there you go

[22:07] walk a walk a

[22:12] Bar

[22:14] I forgot that you work at it. You work at Kermit's place. Yeah, I don't know like a fuzzy navel. Yep

[22:31] The best I could come up with on short notice was gonzo knee which is not very good

[22:37] No, no guns only is the machine they use to clean the ice

[22:41] I

[22:43] Don't he would be like a Negroni with it like a like a Muppets mob movie. That would be guns is like mafioso

[22:51] I wonder they should do like a they should do a Muppets mob movie where it's gonzo knee and like and they could call the dog

[22:57] Father, ah, there you go, and it's and it's Rolf. Okay. Let's keep going. Shall we? All right, Dan

[23:04] Okay, let's talk about the fanatic. That's way better

[23:07] He's saying why does Dan stop Elliot and Stu from making jokes, which is a good point, but at the same time

[23:13] These two will talk not about the movie forever if I don't keep things rolling along. So let's go through. Okay, so Moose

[23:20] He's that he Leah has his friend. The paparazzi has gotten him into a slick Hollywood party

[23:24] Oh, and by and I get into she just pushes him over a fence

[23:30] Into some very soft garbage

[23:32] She asked him for a bolt cutter, but all he brought was a pair of scissors

[23:35] She pushes him over a fence and then she appears in the party later

[23:38] It's like so did she jump over the fence too, or does she just walk in? Yeah, it doesn't matter

[23:41] Also, she's like paparazzi, right? That's her job

[23:44] Like it doesn't seem like she would be invited to be a guest at this Hollywood part

[23:48] No, she's that's why they're jumping over a fence day. She was not invited to be okay

[23:52] but then she all right and then he gets he gets thrown out of that party and we find out that she's like watching from

[23:57] The corner cuz that's her kink. I guess I don't know

[24:00] So she has this he has this awkward encounter with an actress he recognizes he does not get thrown out for harassing her

[24:05] He gets thrown out for having a backpack because no bags are allowed in the room

[24:09] Which was a strange reason for the security guard to throw him out of the building

[24:13] But to be fair his backpack said Hollywood on it. So he blended right in. Yeah. Yeah

[24:19] Has a side job at a museum and he just forgot at which job he was at at that moment

[24:24] That's why I was so upset about the backpack

[24:26] Very fair very fair speaking of jobs

[24:29] Are you not allowed to bring a backpack into a museum because you might put like a dino skeleton in there

[24:36] Some amber

[24:37] Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's exactly why you can't bring a backpack into museum. So you don't take things, okay?

[24:44] Like that's not to rain on your parade

[24:47] They were watching they're watching the Thomas Crown Affair and there's that famous scene where Thomas Crown just puts a painting in his backpack

[24:54] How does he do it

[24:57] Oh

[24:59] Sir did your Jan sport have so many corners previously?

[25:03] He can't he can't zip it up all the way. So part of the frame is sticking right out of the backpack. Oh

[25:08] Sir sir, sir, you dropped this and he hands him like a Giacometti sculpture. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Just walk that out

[25:15] So speaking of jobs John Travolta moves then goes on to his job

[25:18] Which is he's one of those costumed weirdos that hangs around in Hollywood for tips to take pictures

[25:23] But he's not like a famous character from the movies. He's an English Bobby. Yeah the mustache and a really bad English accent

[25:29] Well, he got hired because his accent so good, right?

[25:33] Well, clearly this is happening because for the same reason that the only horror movie that ever show is Night of the Living Dead

[25:40] public domain reasons

[25:42] Like, you know, they can't have him be a spider-man because I don't think Sony would play ball with the fanatic

[25:48] But but at least have him dress up in like a fake superhero costume. It's I've never ever seen a no

[25:56] They and there's even a scene shortly after where we see another street busker performing for a crowd and in that crowd is another

[26:04] costumed

[26:05] Performer cereal man, I would die for zero man. That's the Halloween costume of 2020

[26:11] Oh, he just has a cereal box on his head, right?

[26:14] I mean and like and like a superhero suit

[26:18] And and the attitude is I'm so good. I don't need to perform. I can watch other performers

[26:24] Yeah, he is our generation's Cheddar Goblin

[26:27] People are just walking up to him and putting money in his hand. They're just like you just earned this

[26:32] Thank you

[26:34] Underlining the fact that he's British by you just yell things like the Beatles are coming

[26:40] Or he'll chase somebody down the street saying Jack the Ripper over

[26:45] At one point he said like he said something like here's the quine and I was like

[26:49] Why and it took me like 30 seconds to beautiful mind that he's saying Queen

[26:53] And apparently he makes enough money at this job to have a fairly nice apartment and buy all this memorabilia

[26:59] So, I don't know what's going on

[27:00] Yeah, I mean I have to assume that he's living off of like a trust fund or something

[27:05] Yeah, but so and he also meets Todd a street magician who's also basically a blockhead

[27:10] He just puts a nail in his nose while his partner slim picks the crowds pockets and Moose is like, oh you're disrespecting the fans

[27:16] You're disrespecting Hollywood because Moose has standards, you know

[27:20] Yeah

[27:21] when he falls into the realm of the fanatic it's gonna be a big fall because he's a figure of dignity and I do like I

[27:27] do like these two

[27:28] Street busker thieves slim and Todd because they they like they ham it up so much like

[27:35] When slim is lifting wallets, he's like licking his lips each time

[27:41] And it's just crazy because yeah, if if you're gonna expect people to tip you don't take their wallet first, yeah

[27:49] He's asking for money the pickpocketing started like that is the wrong time

[27:54] They're gonna realize their wallet is gone and start being so what they should do

[27:58] He removes their wallet, then he has to put a new wallet back in there

[28:02] Yeah, fake money just like $1 in it

[28:04] He also he only picks the pockets of people who have their arms crossed and are shaking their head

[28:09] No, no. No, well the tricks are going on because they know there's no tips from that guy, right? Yeah

[28:14] Okay, and also but it is he is very obvious about it. He might as well be going

[28:19] As he takes the wallet his first lift is like $500 in singles, right?

[28:25] Yeah, or after a shift at the strip club, you don't know it's true don't judge moose goes to the hunter signing at the store and

[28:34] Moose is like fantasizing that hunters like hey sit with me

[28:37] You're my best friend now

[28:38] but hunter right before Moose's turn gets called away because his

[28:41] Ex-wife has driven into the alleyway behind the store to complain to him that she had a date that night and he was supposed to

[28:47] Watch their kid. They need a he's and hers and his kid is allergic to comic book stores

[28:53] so

[28:54] we're watching this and like

[28:57] Audrey pointed out like these like he's a fucking movie star like like we're to believe that he watches his own

[29:04] Child like when this sort of thing happens like she would just get a babysitter

[29:08] Charge him money if she was like mad about it. Like this is not like I mean like unless it's like one of these

[29:15] You know, you're not spending enough time with your kid things

[29:18] I would understand that but like that does not seem to be the thing

[29:20] It just seems to be like oh I had a date like you're supposed to cover for well

[29:25] I think I mean, it's almost like she's throwing it in his face that she has a date. Maybe that's it

[29:29] Yeah, I think it's more that she's trying to get at him

[29:31] Also, it can be very hard to find a babysitter, especially at the last minute

[29:34] You're not a parent so you wouldn't know these things

[29:36] But anyway, because I'm doing my part to continue the human race on this earth over

[29:40] Popular

[29:44] Moose interrupts hunters

[29:46] obviously

[29:48] stressful situation and hunter is

[29:50] Incredibly overly rude to him in a way that leads me to believe that

[29:54] They realized that uh, oh too late that they had to go somewhere from that that they had they couldn't

[30:00] start with hunter being the biggest dick in the world they had to build up to it

[30:03] which means that by the time

[30:05] he is being stopped hunters cartoonishly uh... rough with

[30:09] moose is really hurt

[30:10] uh... hunter i guess

[30:12] he he's like i'm done i'm not signing any more than walks back into the store

[30:15] which leads me to believe that he just

[30:17] wanted moose to go and i was going to stay all night signing people's

[30:20] memorabilia's yeah that's what adl usually does after his shows right you

[30:24] you go out and you're like no more autographs and then you sneak back in

[30:27] well i'll go to a bar next door and i'm like anybody recognize me please i'm chunt

[30:31] please

[30:34] uh... they're like say it say that again let me hear your voice again and then you say it

[30:38] uh... bing bong i'm chunt hello it's me and they're like no sorry i thought you were

[30:42] somebody else that's the worst

[30:45] so uh... leah she shows moose an app that he can use to find hunter dunbar's

[30:49] house

[30:50] that's a bad idea because of what he's what's he gonna do

[30:53] write a complaining letter to hunter

[30:55] uh... and he goes to dunbar's house to

[30:58] deliver it

[30:58] this is when hunter dunbar

[31:00] threatens him to leave even more

[31:02] and then takes uh... he goes he writes his name really hard on moose's shirt

[31:06] with a marker uh... there's a moment where it looks like he stabs him with a

[31:10] sharpie and i'm like

[31:12] just because it's called a sharpie doesn't mean it stabs him

[31:17] and he doesn't even move the marker around at all but apparently he's

[31:22] written his name on the thing the motions of his hand are like he's

[31:26] inflicting harakiri on him like it's a total gutting of his death

[31:30] yeah and uh...

[31:32] at this point this is after of course he had been jogging with his son and when he sees

[31:36] the stalker at

[31:37] outside his home he goes

[31:38] hey son go in and fire up the xbox

[31:44] uh... he is uh... i think hunter dunbar of all the characters in the movie hunter

[31:47] dunbar seems to have more trouble interacting with other people than moose does

[31:52] moose seems pretty confident when he talks to people everybody likes him

[31:55] except hunter dunbar

[31:57] well i mean

[31:58] todd and slim give him a little bit of trouble they're cartoonishly evil toward him

[32:02] uh... that's true they are cartoonishly evil

[32:04] uh... but you have to assume all those nails to the head have done some damage

[32:07] to todd yeah and i mean based on todd's tan lines it looks like he just

[32:11] recently picked up the trend of wearing only tank tops

[32:16] it is impressive to me that todd takes a nail

[32:18] checks to see that it's sharp someone in the audience checks it and then he covers his

[32:21] entire face with both hands

[32:23] pulls them back and then nails through his nose it's very impressive

[32:26] uh... how does he do it

[32:28] uh... well uh... dan you i mean you're a big fan of close up magic right?

[32:33] uh... he probably just shoves it through his nose

[32:36] okay uh... let me google that

[32:40] it would be the movie would make more sense to me

[32:43] if hunter dunbar was like trying to be friendly with him and then got upset

[32:47] because he was getting too irritated with him and then moose snapped

[32:50] but instead hunter dunbar is just a dick right from the beginning did this seem strange to you guys too?

[32:53] well i yeah this goes to a uh... sort of key question i have about the movie

[32:59] which is

[33:00] who are we supposed to sympathize with

[33:02] because like i think i mean like we have sympathy for moose like he's obviously

[33:06] like

[33:07] doesn't necessarily understand fully like the interactions he has and he's played by

[33:10] john travolta so of course but he does do like

[33:14] he does like do things that like

[33:16] overstep his bounds greatly

[33:18] like uh... later on in the movie you know invading his home

[33:22] accidentally killing someone spoiler alert like he's not

[33:26] entirely sympathetic and hunter dunbar the character that like maybe in one of these

[33:30] uh... these

[33:31] stalker fan movies would be the one we're supposed to sympathize with

[33:34] is a dick all the way through the movie so

[33:37] we're left without a particular rooting interest in any of the characters i think

[33:42] yeah and and like even even the the the paparazzo friend uh...

[33:47] even she i feel like is pretty guilty of some of these things like

[33:52] she knows who she's dealing with and she is she's encouraging him to do things

[33:56] or there's

[33:57] or there's the security guard who's like

[34:00] you shouldn't let those guys pick on you

[34:01] you should

[34:02] you should fight back you should beat them up

[34:06] a security guard notices todd and slim teasing moose in the bathroom where he changes into

[34:10] and out of his bobby costume and he's like

[34:12] you should stand up for yourself probably kill those guys maybe torture

[34:15] them first don't forget the nose bones connected to the brain

[34:19] i feel like in the original script he handed him a handgun and then

[34:24] later on when performing as a clown in a children's hospital the handgun fell out

[34:29] and then oh man he must like live in a society that's twisted i don't know

[34:34] oh man and moose uh... later when he lashes out at todd the security guard is like

[34:38] i'm proud of you that was good

[34:40] what kind of security guard are you? why are you encouraging violence?

[34:44] uh... moose goes back to hunter's house and leaves off a letter but he runs away when

[34:47] moose's maid

[34:48] sees him and says hey hey

[34:51] the maid then whose name is dora

[34:53] tells hunter about this and then hunter decides to take the opportunity to

[34:56] kiss her and she's like no we can't do that anymore

[34:59] and you're like uh... hunter you're gross don't do that

[35:03] uh... and then hunter calls somebody i'm not sure who and he's like yeah i kissed the maid again

[35:07] oh boy

[35:08] and i was like is that his therapist? is he calling his ex-wife? is that his son?

[35:12] like who is he talking to? is he talking to harvey levin over at tnz? it's the weather he called the weather live

[35:19] uh... and then shortly after this doesn't he also go and uh...

[35:23] like yell at his gardener

[35:26] yes uh... yeah well he tells the gardener hey if you see a weirdo around here

[35:29] tell me and uh... don't listen to your music while you're working

[35:33] i love the maid goes uh... there's a strange man in the backyard he was

[35:37] terrifying and he goes you sure it wasn't the gardener? and i was like oh buddy no

[35:42] bad luck bad luck

[35:44] and then the gardener's like

[35:46] hey i'm done with my work can i go now and he's like yeah sure

[35:49] and that gardener i have to assume was like i'm never coming back this is not a job i want

[35:52] he's like i'm only coming back with cuffs

[35:55] a dvd of the movie cuffs with christian slater

[35:59] he knows that's hunter's favorite movie and that's how i get back on his good side

[36:02] hey i thought you and me could watch cuffs

[36:04] it was like young tony goldwyn

[36:06] can i ask something do we ever see the gardener and serial man in the same place

[36:10] oh ok just saying

[36:13] i mean to be fair we never see hunter and the serial man in the same place

[36:16] and dora in the same place to be fair we only see hunter's son in the same place

[36:20] we only see him for two seconds in the background of one shot

[36:22] is serial man the sequel to serial mom?

[36:26] i have to assume so

[36:28] and the prequel to serial the podcast

[36:32] and the hit song spoon man was on the soundtrack because there was a bit of a

[36:35] miscommunication between the producers and sound garden

[36:39] uh... so

[36:40] anyway moose sneaks back into the house into the yard and dora is like hey get

[36:44] out of here and starts hitting him with like a magazine or something he uh...

[36:47] punches her and she hits her head on a fountain or whatever and she's dead

[36:50] you thought that was a magazine?

[36:52] what do you think magazines look like elliot? how out of touch are you in LA?

[36:56] it was like a duster like deer magazines come with like

[37:00] red duster

[37:02] guys look i'm going to pull back the curtain and reveal that as usual

[37:05] i was watching this movie on an ipad while i did the dishes so i didn't pick up

[37:09] every single nuance of the film

[37:12] so but she's dead now he accidentally killed her it's the classic of mice and

[37:15] men moment uh... or

[37:17] o-m-a-m-m as it's known oh mom

[37:22] and

[37:23] now he wanders through the house

[37:24] and this is the best sequence in the movie where moose wanders through the house

[37:27] he's banging on the piano he picks up some antlers that are just lying around

[37:30] and is like there's a moose on the loose and is just running around he brushes his teeth

[37:34] with either hunter's toothbrush or hunter's son's toothbrush i'm not sure

[37:38] he's watching home movies on a dv cam of happier days for hunter and his wife

[37:42] it's like

[37:43] he is it's a real lives of others scenario but the things you're doing

[37:47] you're so it's so clear that john travolta for at least part of it was just

[37:49] kinda like

[37:50] what else can i use what else can i use uh... and they just followed him

[37:53] wandering around this house improv with stuff yeah and there's a man through

[37:57] through the wall

[37:58] and there's a he burst through a wall he throws a big party

[38:02] uh... some apocalypse bikers show up because lisa

[38:05] the computer woman that he created wanted to teach them a lesson he puts on

[38:08] a leather jacket that says rico and goes

[38:10] rockin' and rollin'

[38:12] a lot of the

[38:13] he slides around in his underwear to uh... old time rock and roll

[38:17] he uh... he also when he wears the rico vest he wears it backwards it says rico

[38:21] on his chest and someone's like you're wearing that backwards and he's like i know

[38:24] and it's just uh... unnecessary so

[38:26] i mean guess what that's the thing like character touches sometimes feel

[38:29] unnecessary elliot but that's kinda why they're so important

[38:32] now the great thing about this is that when uh... while he's watching the home videos

[38:36] uh... on the little camcorder of course he falls asleep

[38:39] and i feel like a lesser director would be like

[38:42] well the

[38:43] character's asleep we can uh... we can just cut the scene right and they're like

[38:46] no no no

[38:48] hold it for another couple minutes

[38:50] i feel like that's the description of much of this movie

[38:53] uh... hunter and his son come home and hunter puts his son to sleep right

[38:57] not like you put a pet to sleep he puts his son to bed

[39:00] but not like he would take the maid to bed like anyway he's tucking him in

[39:04] but not the way you would tuck into a big dinner

[39:08] he's

[39:09] uh... singing him a lullaby but not the same way that you would like

[39:12] sing a lullaby to

[39:13] oh no it is the exact same way but we see that moose is hiding under the sun's

[39:17] bed

[39:17] moose starts

[39:19] poking around hunter of course falls asleep in a chair which is the sign of

[39:22] someone whose life is in trouble

[39:23] and moose walks over and starts smelling him and then sits down to watch the

[39:28] beginning of night of the living dead

[39:29] which triggers a memory of him watching night of the living dead as a kid while his mom made out

[39:34] with some guy and

[39:36] i was not sure what that was implying was that implying that

[39:39] it was traumatic of him that his mom

[39:40] was dating again after what was probably a divorce you know

[39:45] maybe the death of his father that he couldn't hold up or maybe that just he

[39:49] found uh... he found refuge in movies yeah i think horror movies are a safe space for him

[39:54] yeah but what is he finding refuge

[39:56] what is he finding refuge from

[39:58] well i mean like human interaction that he

[40:00] he has difficulty with

[40:01] okay maybe

[40:02] because i wasn't sure if it was like in watchmen like were shacks backstory is

[40:06] that he's the son of a prostitute

[40:07] and she and her johns don't really have like are they hinting at that

[40:11] what does it's not

[40:12] doesn't seem like that all and to be honest

[40:13] if that was my mom i mean i know i'm not moose

[40:16] if that was my mom and she was getting back into the game of that silly and i

[40:19] feel like i feel like if your parents may be moose it would have been like

[40:22] this weird iraqi uh... yes i'm so tiny

[40:25] i mean i a little moose uh...

[40:27] well that

[40:28] they were they were going to name me they were going to name me abs jumbo

[40:31] but at the last minute they decided not to

[40:33] that's all is that all one word or is jumbo a middle name is that a family

[40:37] middle name

[40:38] well it's two words but it's one first name it's like a first name phrase i was

[40:41] going to be abs jumbo

[40:42] my middle name of course was going to be pex mcgee

[40:44] and then my last name caylan it's a family name junior

[40:47] it is a family name abs jumbo pex mcgee caylan that was my grandfather's name

[40:52] so instead they named me after my other grandfather elliot caylan and they

[40:55] never looked back

[40:56] so but if i was him i'd be like hey

[40:58] good on you mom

[40:59] good on you for going out there remembering that you have a life outside

[41:02] of being a mom

[41:03] but i guess for him it's just horror movies

[41:05] now at this point there were only two you're talking about you're talking about the

[41:07] character moose and not your grandfather right there is a stellar moment where the

[41:12] boyfriends of the mom is like

[41:13] uh... what is that

[41:15] is that a kid in there

[41:17] like it

[41:17] pretty obvious i mean or unless you're talking about the tv which is a

[41:21] different thing entirely

[41:22] yeah no he thought he's like is that a kid

[41:24] it's got some kind of images on its screen kids don't have screens what is

[41:28] this monstrosity

[41:29] and they're like no no it's it's a television and he's like explain

[41:32] and they're like well we've harnessed the electron to transmit pictures and

[41:36] eventually sound over airwaves he's like air

[41:39] waves

[41:40] hold on a second and the mom in the it really ruins the moment of romance

[41:43] because they have to explain to him how science works

[41:46] sad really

[41:46] uh... now at this point there's only thirty five minutes left in the movie so

[41:49] you're like

[41:50] okay is someone gonna

[41:52] take someone prisoner or kidnap them or threaten them or something like that

[41:55] because there's not a lot of movie left

[41:57] moose is woken up by

[41:58] hunter's cell phone alarm

[42:00] and runs away

[42:01] so nope not yet i guess not

[42:03] but i think this kind of uh... this kind of establishes that hunter is a deep

[42:06] sleeper in part because he takes two kinds of pills

[42:10] one for insomnia

[42:13] and one to sleep

[42:15] one to sleep yeah

[42:17] moose is looking through hunter's pills and he goes oh hunter don't do drugs

[42:22] hunter is driving his son while listening to limp biscuit on the radio and talking

[42:26] about how great it is in the least realistic scene in the entire movie

[42:30] and then they see moose on the road and hunter stops his car

[42:34] and gets out

[42:35] and tells moose if he ever shows up again

[42:36] he's gonna what put a gun up his butt and he'll be spitting bullets and blood

[42:40] for a week or something like that i think shitting bullets and blood

[42:43] okay it's a convoluted threat

[42:45] and he calls him a stalker and moose is like i'm not a stalker that's the word

[42:49] yeah it's a real like uh...

[42:51] cat like uh... chicken in back to the future part two situation

[42:55] yeah they were i think they were originally going to title this movie

[42:58] stalker but they were worried that it would have too many similarities with

[43:01] the tarkovsky movie

[43:03] yeah they were worried too many people would

[43:06] go to it thinking they were seeing tarkovsky's stalker

[43:08] and be like wait a minute

[43:10] why aren't guys walking through the forest for three hours doing nothing

[43:13] i think there's a genuine maybe the most genuine moment in the movie

[43:16] is where he confronts him and says you're gonna be you're gonna be

[43:19] shitting blooded bullets

[43:20] and then he yells

[43:21] say it

[43:22] and travolta goes

[43:24] i'm gonna be shitting blooded bullets he goes no no no

[43:26] you'll never come back here and it's like you never said that uh... so it's

[43:29] like it was like a real human moment where for once the audience is like we're

[43:33] with travolta

[43:35] yeah i mean it's so rare that i haven't been with travolta

[43:38] god in years but when we were together

[43:40] we had such a good time

[43:41] just the laughs and like

[43:44] the affectionate moments but i haven't been with him. famously under a dock right?

[43:49] what? you made out under a dock?

[43:51] yeah yeah we made out under dock hollywood uh... the movie was screening at a drive-in

[43:56] and we were just under the screen

[43:59] john travolta has this weird thing where if he can't see

[44:02] either an image of michael j fox or the actual michael j fox

[44:05] then he just can't get turned on

[44:07] and so sometimes we just invite michael j fox over and he has to sit there. ok, feels like libel

[44:14] it feels like libel

[44:15] uh... because it is so anyway

[44:17] uh...

[44:17] it's not really, no one believes that right? there's a little

[44:20] now every now and then there's been these little like

[44:22] animated illustrations of moose

[44:25] to really get across the whimsy of the movie

[44:28] are they like meant to

[44:30] be like

[44:30] like street chalk drawings or something? i don't know, i liked them, they're cool looking but

[44:36] like the first one i feel like

[44:37] comes up halfway through the movie

[44:39] this is too late to introduce a new element movie, you can't just

[44:43] no i agree, there's only five elements, i think we've addressed that, the fifth one is love

[44:49] if this is going to be part of your style you've got to bring it in earlier than

[44:52] almost when the movie's over, but it was the best thing about the movie

[44:55] was those illustrations

[44:56] it's like the little claymation bits in life less ordinary right?

[45:01] or like the animated Kill Bill

[45:04] or like that uh... claymation hamburger

[45:06] in uh... what was that? is that better off dead?

[45:09] yeah, the best part of the movie

[45:12] or like in the golden child when that pepsi can starts dancing? also the best part of the

[45:16] movie, besides i want the knife wrapped

[45:20] or that part in uh... captain phillips

[45:22] when the hot dog starts dancing

[45:24] mhm

[45:26] yeah and there's that

[45:28] there was that part in Richard Jewell

[45:30] where there was like a dancing mouse and he's like

[45:33] cheer up Richard, let me show you! and they like did a dance together

[45:38] or in the pianist where uh...

[45:41] the can of peaches starts talking right? yeah that was hilarious, like i can suck my own dick

[45:45] yeah that's

[45:47] that was in the pianist right?

[45:48] that was in the pianist, yeah yeah, they wanted to do the play on words on the title

[45:53] i haven't seen queen and slim yet but i assume there's a part where clouds are

[45:56] just talking about them and they're going like yeah go queen and slim you're doing great

[46:00] mhm

[46:01] uh...

[46:02] this is steward disagreeing with what you guys are saying

[46:07] there's that part in uh... little women where uh... and this was not in the book

[46:10] where the uh... where uh... that alien gleep glorp comes down and is like i've got an idea

[46:14] for a book for you

[46:16] little alien women and uh... and uh... joe is like

[46:20] yeah that is a good idea but what if they weren't aliens and gleep glorp is like

[46:23] uh... that's not my idea and he flew away because that's the thing is gleep glorp is very

[46:28] small like that uh... hannah barbara alien that floats around and talks to red ghosts

[46:32] and uh... and so when joe suggested that it be called little non-alien

[46:37] women

[46:38] he was like that's insane because you are much larger than me

[46:42] uh... yeah to me you're the size of mountains and skyscrapers and she's like

[46:45] what's a skyscraper and he's like just wait a few decades

[46:49] wink because he can see the future

[46:51] uh... so anyway and then

[46:52] the rest of the movie is him

[46:56] i think your timeline's off but

[46:57] well the first skyscraper you know they weren't as tall as they are now but the first what

[47:01] they would call skyscrapers were like the 18th century yeah like a three story building

[47:04] would be a skyscraper but i mean she would also have to like travel

[47:06] to see the skyscraper like uh... i don't know

[47:09] you're right and that's impossible people were glued to the ground back then

[47:14] well let's move on with the movie that's your issue it's literally about a family where the dad is

[47:18] away from home there's not going to be skyscrapers out on like the prairie wherever they are

[47:24] you're right dan you're right and if someone said to me three years ago or five years ago

[47:29] donald trump's going to be president i would have said but not right here

[47:33] he's going to be in another city i don't have to worry about that

[47:36] we don't have presidents in california anyway

[47:40] moose as it to add insult to injury or injury to insult

[47:43] moose's vespa breaks and he takes a little bit of a tumble goes home and cries and he has a monologue

[47:47] he burns all of his hunter dunbar memorabilia and we finally get to see a scene from space vampires

[47:52] which is basically

[47:54] dunbar and a woman standing in an alley and she's like they want revenge and he goes

[47:58] revenge is my middle name and then they kiss and i was like oh so he makes bad movies

[48:02] i see i get it

[48:05] leah is like hey

[48:07] did you post a picture on social media of you smelling hunter dunbar in his sleep in his house

[48:11] don't do that

[48:13] and he blocks her from his social media and throws her out of his house

[48:16] yeah she was worried because he's probably got a pretty big following

[48:19] also let's address a little bit of a moment

[48:22] which is uh...

[48:23] i mentioned back to the future earlier and uh... not since you know this high

[48:27] school kid is friends with a mad scientist

[48:30] has a friendship been so uh... unlikely and not explained as

[48:35] leah and moose

[48:37] because it's like

[48:38] like she is a

[48:40] young

[48:41] paparazzi

[48:43] and he is a uh... middle-aged

[48:47] you know uh...

[48:49] proto stalker uh...

[48:52] like i guess he's

[48:53] i guess he's middle-aged

[48:57] i mean he's in his sixties now right

[48:59] yeah i would say that probably i think that i think the super hip haircut is

[49:02] throwing you off dan

[49:04] his uh... his audition for deontfort haircut

[49:08] it's the exact haircut that charlie sheen has in major league

[49:12] the wild thing haircut

[49:14] elliot elliot doesn't like sports

[49:17] no no i don't like sports uh... except for

[49:20] would you call dogfighting a sport

[49:25] i think probably them both being kind of night crawlers in their own way they're

[49:28] part of if this is a real day of the locust

[49:31] like underbelly of hollywood type of community and so i think that's where

[49:35] it's supposed to be that like these are the weirdos and the eccentrics and the

[49:37] forgotten people of hollywood

[49:39] but they're not that weird they're not that forgotten they're not out at night

[49:42] very much i guess so elliot but like i i would have appreciated like

[49:45] maybe i don't

[49:46] again don't like a lot of backstory

[49:49] maybe a line or two i don't know i mean i feel like why the hell they're hanging out

[49:53] not to provide backstory for the podcast but this seems to be something you bring

[49:57] up kind of often dan

[49:59] i mean i just said

[50:00] Dan, we haven't released yet the Alita Battle Angel episode yet, right?

[50:03] No, we haven't.

[50:04] Because there, I remember your cry was,

[50:06] more backstory! Explain the world more, please!

[50:08] Again, then I said, one or two lines.

[50:12] Don't like a lot of backstory, but if something is weird in the movie,

[50:15] I appreciate some sort of explanation.

[50:18] It would be great if at some point, Moose just turned to her and he goes,

[50:21] hey, don't forget, you owe me like 50 grand, right?

[50:23] Anyway, what were we talking about?

[50:26] Just a quick table setting, just for us to be like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[50:29] When Moose is like, when I found you in a basket on my doorstep as a baby

[50:33] and raised you to be a fan, we formed a sort of father-daughter relationship.

[50:37] Yeah, of course, Moose.

[50:38] Isn't that right, Liam?

[50:38] I'm just saying I don't buy this friendship, that's all.

[50:41] And when she's like, you're my roller derby coach,

[50:44] I need to make sure that you stay out of trouble.

[50:49] Dan, I've got a lot of videos to show you, then, of some unlikely friendships.

[50:53] A pig and a duck?

[50:55] A monkey and a dog?

[50:56] I would love to see those, you know that there's something I would love more.

[50:59] A turner and a hooch?

[51:03] Charles Manson and Fred Rogers?

[51:05] It happens, Dan.

[51:06] Unlikely friendships.

[51:08] That's Elliot Cailin's continuing slander corner.

[51:10] Anyway, so they get into a big fight.

[51:13] This is finally, finally, I think there's like 15 minutes left in the movie

[51:17] when the fan becomes the fanatic

[51:23] because Hunter wakes up tied to his bed.

[51:26] Moose is lying on the floor in a pool of blood.

[51:28] Oh, no!

[51:30] Kidding! It's just a joke.

[51:31] He's just fooling.

[51:32] So he stabs Hunter.

[51:34] Kidding! It was a fake knife.

[51:35] Then he leaves the room and then he comes back in a Jason mask with another knife.

[51:39] Kidding! And I was like, Moose, can you cut it with the pranks?

[51:42] Come on!

[51:43] And it's just like this non-stop parade of pranks.

[51:47] Yeah, and it's a cavalcade of like actual movie references.

[51:51] Like the first half of the movie is all, it's like moon vampires and ghost ship.

[51:55] And all of a sudden he does like an Aliens reference, Friday the 13th reference,

[51:59] Halloween reference, Reservoir Dogs reference.

[52:04] And it's like, make up your mind.

[52:06] Does this take place in our world or in a crazy fake movie world?

[52:09] Well, it's too bad that this guy who claims to be raised by horror movies,

[52:14] but he makes a clear Friday the 13th reference,

[52:18] but then conflates Devin Sawa's character's performance with Jamie Lee Curtis.

[52:23] Come on!

[52:25] I love when he makes him repeat the...

[52:27] That was a big gaffe.

[52:28] That line that we see at the top of the movie, the,

[52:30] you're a fan, without you this is impossible, whatever that is.

[52:33] What was the line?

[52:34] Without you I'm nothing.

[52:35] Sawa finally says it and Travolta goes, say it again.

[52:40] Which to me is like, if somebody said like, forget about it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

[52:43] He goes, one more time?

[52:45] I said, forget about it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

[52:47] He turns to the camera and winks.

[52:49] I want to say, I still don't, I don't get what we're supposed to think of what's going on here

[52:55] or what Travolta's, like, Moose is thinking, because like...

[52:58] We're supposed to think, boy, Fred Durst, you're a double threat.

[53:02] Filmmaker and amazing musician.

[53:04] Well, but we're like, supposed to think that like, Moose is finally taking his revenge, I guess.

[53:08] Like, he's tied Devin Sawa up and he's like, doing all these things that,

[53:11] but like, Moose is also treating it like, oh, we're just having fun reenacting like, movie shit together.

[53:17] Like, this is fun, it's a prank.

[53:19] Well, it's kind of a horror movie, too.

[53:20] Like, there is an idea of society has clearly failed this guy and his, you know, his friends have failed him

[53:28] and he's just trying to find some moment of human connection, Dan.

[53:32] Uh, I don't...

[53:33] That's, that's all.

[53:34] I mean, I don't know.

[53:35] I don't know what you're doing here.

[53:36] I don't know, what I'm trying to say is, and I'm not doing a bit, I'm just saying that like,

[53:39] I don't know if necessarily you are supposed to sympathize with him at this point,

[53:43] because he's, I mean, you sympathize with him because he's a human,

[53:46] but I feel like there's also an element where he's like, he is, like, he's clearly doing villainous stuff.

[53:52] No, but I'm just saying, I don't know what, not even like, how we're supposed to like, take,

[53:59] like, whether we're supposed to sympathize with him, but like, what he's doing.

[54:03] Like, what is he doing?

[54:04] I think the confusion here is that Moose is a character who will not have a clearly thought out brilliant plan,

[54:10] but the movie should have a plan for what's going to happen.

[54:13] And it feels like the movie doesn't know what's, it's okay if Moose is like, like,

[54:16] I could see this scene done well, where someone is being, threatening, they think in a playful way.

[54:23] Right.

[54:23] But because the other person does not know how far this character will go, they're scared the whole time.

[54:29] Like, they don't know what's a joke and what's not a joke.

[54:31] And that could be like, really scary.

[54:33] But because the movie is not clear, it's like, wait, what?

[54:36] I think that's the confusion I'm having.

[54:38] Yeah, like, you're blaming the movie, not Moose.

[54:41] Yeah.

[54:42] Yeah.

[54:43] Because how could you blame a Moose?

[54:44] You can't blame a Moose.

[54:45] Majestic.

[54:46] No.

[54:47] Yep.

[54:48] Incredibly majestic, yeah.

[54:49] Yeah.

[54:50] And if you give a Moose a muffin, is that what the book is?

[54:54] Give a Moose a muffin, he'll walk a thousand miles.

[54:57] If you give a Moose a muffin, he'll ask for a milkshake.

[55:00] Strawberry, real ice cream, please, real ice cream.

[55:02] Real ice cream, please.

[55:03] And then when you give him the milkshake, he'll take your favorite actor hostage.

[55:06] And then, but he'll be so hungry from taking him hostage, he's going to want a muffin.

[55:09] So, now we finally get a taste of why Hunter is Moose's favorite actor.

[55:16] Because he turns on that Hunter Dunbar charm and starts giving Moose a little bit of an acting lesson.

[55:24] Oh, yeah.

[55:24] He starts sweet-talking him.

[55:27] He starts telling him how, yeah, they're going to have so much fun and how they're going to visualize it.

[55:32] You know, actors, they need to visualize things sometimes.

[55:34] Let's visualize all the fun we're going to have.

[55:37] And it leads him through a fantasy of, like, getting ice cream together and, what, going to a movie set together or something.

[55:42] And then, I think, getting married and, like, raising children together.

[55:45] Yep, yep, with plastic on the furniture.

[55:49] Yeah, of course, yeah.

[55:50] And one of them, of course, dying before the other.

[55:52] And the other one being like, oh, he was my one true love.

[55:55] And just living in his memories.

[55:57] And you know what?

[55:57] At least he has his memories, as I assume Moose is going to outlive Hunter.

[56:00] And Moose is just kind of, like, put into a home by Hunter's son, who has really come to see Moose as, like, a surrogate father in the end.

[56:07] And the son marries Leah, even though there's an age difference between the two of them, because he's just a teen and she's kind of like a young woman.

[56:14] But it's a real Jake Lloyd, Natalie Portman-type attraction, where he's going to grow up and they're going to get married secretly on another planet.

[56:21] But Hunter Dunbar's son, the thing is he doesn't like sand because it gets everywhere.

[56:25] It's itchy and scratchy.

[56:27] But itchy and scratchy go on to be Bart Simpson's favorite cartoon characters.

[56:33] So Hunter convinces Moose to untie him.

[56:36] And then he's like, hey, I tricked you.

[56:38] And he shoots Moose and then stabs him in the eye.

[56:41] And he shoots his hand off.

[56:42] Like, it's crazy.

[56:43] He shoots off his smell sticks, is what I assume Moose calls his fingers, because he keeps doing that little ear rub and then sniffing his fingers.

[56:52] You know how people do.

[56:53] So you know he calls his fingers his smell sticks.

[56:56] You just know it.

[56:57] You just got a little peek into Adol's mind.

[56:59] Cinema Boy, back at it again with the smell sticks.

[57:02] That's not canon, but in the Tales from the Fanatic book that you write, he's going to refer to them as smell sticks, yeah.

[57:09] Anyway, and Hunter goes way overboard in destroying Moose.

[57:14] But then he kind of feels bad about it, and so he just lets Moose go.

[57:18] Yeah, well he has a moment of like, what am I doing?

[57:20] Hold on, I shouldn't kill this guy.

[57:22] At the point where he-

[57:23] I've become the space vampire.

[57:25] At the point where he takes out the knife and starts to cut Moose, I did burst into song singing, everybody cut Moose, cut Moose.

[57:32] Very nice.

[57:34] Very nice.

[57:35] There's a movie about a town where stabbing is illegal, and Kevin Bacon's got to change that.

[57:41] And everyone in town is like, wait, this is a good law.

[57:43] Why are you trying to change this?

[57:45] Yeah, I mean, that's most towns.

[57:48] I would go as far as to say every town.

[57:50] It's not unusual for someone to move to a town where stabbing is illegal.

[57:54] And it's not unusual to fall in love with anyone.

[57:57] So, once again, I do like any time a character sleeps in a bed with a lever action rifle above it, and a giant Bowie knife in the little drawer next to his bed.

[58:10] Was the knife loose, or did it have a sheath?

[58:13] It had a sheath.

[58:14] Oh, it had a sheath?

[58:15] He took it out of his sheath, yeah.

[58:16] He's not a maniac.

[58:19] He was in the direct-to-video sequel to Crocodile Dundee, Crocodile Dundee the Next Generation, and that's where he got that knife from.

[58:25] That's not a knife.

[58:26] This is a Sharpie.

[58:29] Well, earlier he said to everyone, he's like, I've got the real knife from Blood Sacrifice or something.

[58:33] I can go get it and sign it for you.

[58:35] And I wondered if they were like, good, now we can have him stab him because we had a line of dialogue saying he has a knife in the house.

[58:40] Checkhouse knife.

[58:41] Good filmmaking.

[58:42] Moose somehow wanders back to Hollywood Boulevard, and the tourists there think that his horrific wounds are a costume, and these two kind of Eurotrash tourists want to take a picture with him.

[58:51] And he's just like, boop, boop, boop, boop.

[58:54] But in a way, he's achieved his dream.

[58:56] He's finally a character people want to be around, not an English Bobby that no one wants to be near, but a horrifically wounded man crying while wandering down the street.

[59:06] And Leah finds him, double parks her car to go get him, and then just wanders off with him.

[59:11] And he sees the star for – I forget which actor on the ground and starts talking about how great they are.

[59:19] And then – uh-oh, the movie's not over.

[59:22] At Hunter Dunbar's house, the police arrest him because Dora's body has still been lying there.

[59:27] For like three days.

[59:29] Days, yes.

[59:30] For days.

[59:32] Or his son or anybody never went out and noticed that – one, never noticed that Dora was missing, but also never noticed that Dora's body was just lying on the ground outside his house.

[59:40] Well, the gardener is the one who brings the police, Elliot.

[59:42] So maybe the gardener finds the body.

[59:44] Well, the gardener has been working undercover, right?

[59:47] What?

[59:48] I thought that was pretty clear.

[59:49] The gardener is a serial man who works with the cops, not against them.

[59:52] He's not a vigilante.

[59:53] Yeah, yeah.

[59:54] He's an informant.

[59:55] When they need help, they put the serial signal up in the sky, which is, of course, a lie.

[1:00:00] It's just shaped like a bowl of cereal with a spoon sticking out of it.

[1:00:03] But yeah, like Hunter Dunbar gets taken away in handcuffs for the murder of this

[1:00:08] woman and we're supposed to think like, oh how dark and like twisted I guess this is.

[1:00:12] But I was sitting there being like, this case is going to fall apart immediately.

[1:00:15] Like, like Dr. Volta's blood is all over the place.

[1:00:19] He, on social media he posted a video of him kissing his head in his house.

[1:00:23] And his 40,000 followers saw it.

[1:00:26] And if he murdered this woman, like he would not just let her like stay in his backyard.

[1:00:31] He would do something about like, like this is all, none of it hangs together to frame this guy.

[1:00:37] Hunter Dunbar, he's a star.

[1:00:38] He thinks he can get away with anything, man.

[1:00:40] So it's time for him to be, I think the audience is supposed to be like, good,

[1:00:43] Hunter's going to get taken down a peg.

[1:00:44] But you're right.

[1:00:45] Almost instantly they're going to be like, oh you have an alibi for when this happened?

[1:00:48] You're also, you're imagining his lawyer being like, people, the jury.

[1:00:53] Why would Hunter Dunbar murder his housekeeper and then just leave the body in the backyard?

[1:00:59] He would clearly chop it up and eat it.

[1:01:03] Can we just, not just because, not just to get rid of the evidence,

[1:01:05] but because my client is a cannibal.

[1:01:08] Objection, your honor.

[1:01:10] The liquefied eye does not indicate anything.

[1:01:13] And I think the maid was still holding the letter he wrote.

[1:01:17] Clearly the maid was holding evidence.

[1:01:20] That's why I had to eat the body to gain her memories.

[1:01:24] I point you to the nest cameras that clearly recorded a maniac coming in and killing the

[1:01:31] maid and then attacking my client.

[1:01:33] And they're like, the prosecutors are like, we want to issue a writ of Hunter Dunbar is a jerk.

[1:01:39] And the judge is like, I'll allow it.

[1:01:41] And that's why he goes to jail.

[1:01:42] You're on the worst jail.

[1:01:43] There are moose tracks all over the place.

[1:01:45] There was a moose on the loose, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this unidentified.

[1:01:51] And my client, Hunter, has dedicated himself to finding the real moose

[1:01:55] who committed these ghastly crimes.

[1:01:57] Meanwhile, his son is still sleeping.

[1:01:58] So are you saying you'd like at the very end for there to be some kind of an update as to how the

[1:02:03] how the criminal proceedings went or the no, I'm not saying that at all.

[1:02:07] I kind of feel that way about detective shows.

[1:02:10] Like I would like like every episode of elementary.

[1:02:13] Like every episode of elementary.

[1:02:14] I'm like, I want to know if Sherlock actually caught this guy.

[1:02:17] Oh, yeah, you're right, sir.

[1:02:18] I want an unbreakable style like paragraph to come up with a paragraph of text to explain

[1:02:23] what happens to everyone.

[1:02:25] They do call him unbreakable at the beginning of the movie.

[1:02:29] There's a little voiceover from Leah where she says that Moose lost his hand and his eye,

[1:02:33] but he never lost his love of Hollywood or something like that.

[1:02:36] And we do get a little drawing that one of those famous drawings with him with a pirate eye patch,

[1:02:40] a hook, and then he sprouts angel wings and then Leah jumps on his back and they

[1:02:45] probably fly into eternity.

[1:02:46] Guess he's dead.

[1:02:48] Yeah, I don't know what that's all that's about.

[1:02:52] I mean, they should have shown him in costume as a pirate

[1:02:55] talking to tourists because now they really do that.

[1:02:58] And that's a real thing.

[1:02:59] Yeah, people might want to take like now he's Jack Sparrow

[1:03:02] and just show me like, hello, it's me, Jack Sparrow.

[1:03:05] Here come the Beatles.

[1:03:08] Jack Sparrow didn't have like a hook for a hand or an eye patch.

[1:03:10] And he's like, I'm Jack Sparrow having seen hard times.

[1:03:18] To be fair, he wouldn't have a hook for a hand.

[1:03:20] He would have five little hooks as fingers.

[1:03:23] That's true.

[1:03:24] Why don't people ever do that?

[1:03:25] Anyway, moving on to Final Judgments.

[1:03:28] Is this a good, bad movie, a bad, bad movie or movie you kind of like?

[1:03:31] I'm going to say, look, this movie is hateful.

[1:03:34] This is a hateful movie.

[1:03:36] Fred Durst clearly hates his fans, hates the people that made him famous.

[1:03:44] This is his idea of what fans are like.

[1:03:47] But oddly enough, he makes the star also hateful.

[1:03:51] And I think it might be just because he doesn't want to be accused of hating his fans.

[1:03:56] He's like, well, if everyone's horrible, then no one's horrible.

[1:03:58] No, and there's also probably a certain amount of like, I don't know.

[1:04:02] I mean, I feel like it's when you work in that field,

[1:04:05] there's a chance that you could see like other people as being worse.

[1:04:10] Yeah, no, I know.

[1:04:11] Well, that's what I'm saying.

[1:04:12] Yeah, no, I see.

[1:04:13] I'm going to take issue, Dan.

[1:04:14] I think that and this and I can't get inside the mind of Fred Durst.

[1:04:17] I can't get through that red Yankees cap.

[1:04:19] He's wearing backwards.

[1:04:20] But I would say that I think you're misreading it and that Moose is

[1:04:25] supposed to be a figure of sympathy that this is like Joker.

[1:04:28] He's a figure of sympathy who's pushed too far by this terrible system

[1:04:31] that destroys people, a system known as Hollywood.

[1:04:35] Dream Factory, more like Nightmare Factory.

[1:04:37] I mean, Scream Factory is right there on the table.

[1:04:40] Oh, you're right.

[1:04:41] But they did make Scream, both the movies and the TV shows.

[1:04:44] So people might be like, yeah, it's a factory that makes Scream.

[1:04:46] And I mean, it's an actual company that really distributes horror movies.

[1:04:50] But yeah, that's true.

[1:04:51] OK, Dream Factory, more like Ice Cream Factory.

[1:04:54] There we go.

[1:04:55] OK, Dan, the character of the movie.

[1:04:58] So did Elliot answer your question?

[1:05:00] No, I've lost the thread of what's going on.

[1:05:02] No, I think Dan sees this as an attack on Moose.

[1:05:06] And I see it as Moose being the misguided hero and the star is the bad guy.

[1:05:12] But they're both treated terribly by the movie and they're both unlikable.

[1:05:16] I don't understand where my sympathy is supposed to lie.

[1:05:18] And I'm not one of the people who like

[1:05:21] thinks that there has to necessarily be a sympathetic character in a story.

[1:05:25] But at the same time, I think the movie thinks there is one.

[1:05:28] And I disagree with the movie on that point.

[1:05:31] OK, that's fair.

[1:05:32] So you would call it a good movie?

[1:05:33] I'm going to go bad, bad.

[1:05:37] It's really hard to get past the performance John Travolta is giving

[1:05:42] and the performance the movie has given John Travolta.

[1:05:44] Like, I think he's doing it as best he can with like a completely misguided thing.

[1:05:50] Like, I don't know.

[1:05:52] It just it's upsetting to have this person who obviously is supposed to have developmental

[1:05:58] problems like go through all of these things.

[1:06:00] And like, this is the story that Fred Durst wanted to tell.

[1:06:03] If you can turn off the caring part of your brain,

[1:06:06] it's kind of interesting to watch the movie just to see how misguided everything in it is.

[1:06:11] But I wouldn't necessarily recommend that to anyone.

[1:06:13] So I guess I'll go bad, bad.

[1:06:15] Yeah, I mean, I'll say it's a bad, bad movie.

[1:06:17] I don't think there's much redeeming about it.

[1:06:20] I mean, like Travolta throws himself into this role

[1:06:24] like he's thrown himself into a couple other bad movie roles.

[1:06:28] I guess I appreciate that.

[1:06:30] He's not phoning it in, although maybe there's times when you kind of wish he was.

[1:06:35] So bad, bad.

[1:06:37] I would say if the roles were reversed,

[1:06:39] if John Travolta played himself and Devin Sawa just played a stalker,

[1:06:43] this movie would be amazing.

[1:06:44] Yeah.

[1:06:44] So I think they miscast.

[1:06:48] I think they tried to have Travolta play himself.

[1:06:50] He wanted to go for the Oscar, took a huge swing,

[1:06:53] swung for the fences, threw his back out.

[1:06:55] Bad movie.

[1:06:56] But I do think it is Durst's fault.

[1:06:58] It felt like every scene they had one take.

[1:07:01] Yeah.

[1:07:02] And do you think they didn't cast it the other way around

[1:07:05] because they were worried that Devin Sawa would be too typecast having played Stan?

[1:07:10] I don't want to play Stan again.

[1:07:12] And Travolta's like, I don't want to play me again.

[1:07:16] If there's a Serial Man spinoff, anything that's needed, I will fund that.

[1:07:21] I will watch that, whatever's possible.

[1:07:23] Guys, I understand all your objections to the movie,

[1:07:26] it being a bad, bad movie, and it is a not pleasant movie.

[1:07:29] But to see John Travolta dressed as an English Bobby

[1:07:32] doing a terrible English accent for no reason,

[1:07:35] and to have the characters in the movie talking about how great the band of the director is,

[1:07:40] I'm going to have to call this a problematic, good, bad movie, I think.

[1:07:44] Okay.

[1:07:44] There's also a point where John Travolta literally says into the mirror,

[1:07:48] this is a bad script.

[1:07:50] Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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[1:12:53] We have a jumbo tron, I believe I get gave that to Elliot so Elliot take it away

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[1:13:04] Choo-choo-choo-choo-choo-choo-choo

[1:13:07] Thank you as if the only things more jumbo than this is me

[1:13:10] So who is this message for it's for Tam Tran and the message is from Chris Morgan and it says to my friend Tam Tran

[1:13:17] May you find mortgage payments just as enriching as the freedom to travel and eat out under rent control

[1:13:23] Don't forget to register to vote at the new address and let me know if you ever need to borrow my ladder

[1:13:27] Chris Morgan, Oakland, California

[1:13:30] Well, it's a nice message and there's a couple of like like things to remember in there. Yeah

[1:13:36] Mm-hmm like an offer for a ladder. Mm-hmm a couple reminders about things. Hey Dan, you know what else we got coming up?

[1:13:41] What a live show? Oh

[1:13:45] Okay, Seattle. Sometimes we don't just record a podcast in Dan's living room and an Elliot's closet

[1:13:51] We sometimes record them in front of a live audience

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[1:14:00] I mean they can and they do so on Saturday April 18th

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[1:14:10] We're gonna be in Toronto Canada. That's right

[1:14:13] We're returning to Toronto in the Royal Cinema as part of the what the film festival as has been told to me recently

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[1:14:25] So see if the Flophouse boys are gonna get the shit kicked out of them Saturday April 18th

[1:14:30] 2020 in Toronto as part of the what the film festival now, we're not fully sure what movie we're gonna watch

[1:14:35] But it's gonna be a smaller weirder movie because it's part of the what the film fest and Dan you're saying you

[1:14:40] Have been practicing some kind of special dance for the thing that people can only see to believe

[1:14:47] It's sort of like if you can block a if you can blind if you combined

[1:14:51] Sort of a floss and a Charleston at the same time

[1:14:55] I'm picturing it and up. Nope. I'm dead

[1:14:59] So some sort of floral stint, okay interesting, well, you'll see that Saturday April 18th

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[1:17:02] So we should move on though to

[1:17:05] Letters from listeners. Uh-huh. Let's now guys before sorry before we start the letters

[1:17:10] I normally I have a song during this section where I sing about letters

[1:17:14] Of course as I mentioned at the top, I have a cough. My throat is not feeling so great

[1:17:18] So I feel like I shouldn't do a song for the letter section today

[1:17:25] Luckily luckily, luckily my old friend Randy Newman happens to be here and he said he's saying one so take it away Randy

[1:17:42] Sorry Randy while we have you here how much of three amigos did you write?

[1:17:47] Well, I'll tell you a fair amount

[1:17:50] Three amigos worked on it hard cuz you got a friend and Randy Newman

[1:17:56] Okay. Well and Randy what about that collaboration you're doing with Gary Newman?

[1:18:02] He's gonna sing about cars. I'll sing about LA. Well guys whose names are Newman in a major way

[1:18:09] Cuz you got a friend in me and I'm so sorry

[1:18:12] You're holding up a sign that said you wanted to say a brief something about Paul Newman's passing

[1:18:17] I'm sad every day that we lost a great actor now

[1:18:21] We still have his salad dressing to remember him by cuz he had a friend in me and you wanted to audition for a way

[1:18:28] nights role of Newman

[1:18:31] Jerry

[1:18:36] Why do you uh, are you sorry, sorry Randy real quick, are you jealous?

[1:18:40] Are you jealous that John Goodman's named John Goodman and you're only new man

[1:18:47] Be a good good

[1:18:50] And read I'm gonna tell this to you that you got a friend in me and Randy what words you want to hear from God

[1:18:57] when you enter heaven

[1:19:01] That he forgives me for that stuff that I did

[1:19:05] And also

[1:19:07] Me this is inside the Newman studio. We want to thank our guest Randy Newman

[1:19:13] Okay, so, you know, that was real fun being on the podcast

[1:19:18] But every time feels like the last but then you got a friend in me. Okay. Well this first letter

[1:19:25] Thank you, Randy this first letter. You're welcome

[1:19:31] I kind of feel insulted

[1:19:36] Like every other person

[1:19:38] Got a friend in him, but I'm sorry Dan. I thought that went without saying but I guess our friendship needs to be reinforced by words

[1:19:46] Cuz you got a friend didn't thank you Randy. That's all I

[1:19:50] Anyway, it cheapens our friendship that I gotta keep telling you that we're friends and you don't just feel it inside cuz you got a friend

[1:19:59] in me

[1:20:00] do you feel about l a you hate it or you

[1:20:04] i'm and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and

[1:20:07] bob said i don't know what i mean you know people's opinions change over the

[1:20:10] years okay uh...

[1:20:11] so this first letters i mean randy newman no offense randy he is an old man

[1:20:15] at this point is no longer a new man changes you know

[1:20:18] yeah this first letters from brand the last thing about

[1:20:21] i was recently listening to the an episode we're talking about movie

[1:20:25] universes you'd like to live in

[1:20:27] uh... i believe dance with the shire

[1:20:29] pre-lord of the rings drama

[1:20:31] so my question is if you had to pick a movie universe that would be a personal

[1:20:34] nightmare to live in

[1:20:36] what would it be and why stay floppy

[1:20:39] brand last name with health

[1:20:42] uh... i want to say this is

[1:20:44] this is kind of a general this is not a specific movie universe but

[1:20:48] any of those futuristic movie universes where you eat your meals in pill form

[1:20:54] uh... i would not like to be it because i'm always watching it like yeah okay

[1:20:57] science has decided

[1:20:59] to take one of the great pleasures of life which is eating

[1:21:02] and eliminate it

[1:21:04] does not make sense to me like science work on something and you're also better

[1:21:08] you're also like think about all the people who work in the cutlery industry

[1:21:11] that are now out of work

[1:21:13] yeah

[1:21:14] yeah very good point very good points uh... foundation the economy

[1:21:18] so that would be your nightmare dan

[1:21:20] yeah i mean as a person who enjoys to cook and enjoys to eat very much yeah

[1:21:24] like i would not want to live in that that universe

[1:21:27] yeah i can understand that uh... i think probably for me

[1:21:31] obviously goes that saying any universe where the earth has been overrun by

[1:21:34] monsters

[1:21:35] or serial killers and that would be a real nightmare you know like a purge like

[1:21:38] getting caught in a purge

[1:21:40] i don't want to do not want to be in a purge and i don't want to purge but i'll

[1:21:43] probably also like the judd apatow universe sure

[1:21:45] okay yeah

[1:21:47] and interesting fun fact in researching movie universes for this question

[1:21:51] i found out that on wikipedia

[1:21:53] reboot is considered to be in the same universe as the money for nothing video

[1:21:56] which i had never thought about and i'm wondering where's that crossover huh

[1:22:00] yeah you want to amend your answer for what universe you want to live in right

[1:22:04] yeah i want to live in that blocky computer animated

[1:22:07] money for nothing video where

[1:22:09] you get two great choices you can either play the guitar and get chicks for free

[1:22:12] or you can install microwave oven yeah i mean i feel like the exact lyrics of that song

[1:22:16] might uh... be best not

[1:22:17] you know carefully examined but no no there's there's certainly

[1:22:21] uh... one line in that song that even though it's in the voice of a character

[1:22:24] is still something i would not say it's a little harsh that you would like

[1:22:28] yes exactly

[1:22:29] that's just a blue-collar working man watching mtv you know even though i said

[1:22:33] in the beginning he wants his mtv but is that a different character in the video

[1:22:36] it's one of those guys but in the song maybe it's a different character i don't

[1:22:39] know dan what do you think

[1:22:41] i don't know

[1:22:42] i think dan was talking about addle is there a movie universe

[1:22:47] you who are so interested in maintaining the professionalism of the podcast

[1:22:51] did not need to call me out at the one time i was

[1:22:55] dan has it ever occurred to you that i am more likely to call you out when i

[1:22:58] see you at uh... going to your phone

[1:22:59] but addle yeah do you have a movie universe you would not want to live in

[1:23:02] i gotta say based on my personal preferences the back to the two uh...

[1:23:06] back to the future two universe

[1:23:07] they should have called it back to the two universe

[1:23:12] mama three-a is what they should call the third mama three-a

[1:23:16] they should make it just for that

[1:23:17] uh... yeah specifically just because in back to the future two

[1:23:21] they

[1:23:23] uh... wear two ties instead of one tie

[1:23:26] everyone wears two ties i hate wearing ties so i feel like just based on that

[1:23:29] alone if i go to a funeral or a wedding i would not want to wear two ties i feel like

[1:23:33] that would be highly uncomfortable

[1:23:35] so not the fact that they're living in the biff verse where a kind of

[1:23:39] asshole

[1:23:40] millionaire has taken over america since we do live in that universe now it's

[1:23:44] just the two ties thing about just a few times and being fired on a fax is

[1:23:48] pretty brutal

[1:23:49] that's pretty good and also that that dehydrated pizza probably can't be very

[1:23:52] good right now

[1:23:53] you know isn't it like pizza brand

[1:23:56] right you're right so it's a pretty good pizza so good you can only serve it out

[1:24:00] of a hike

[1:24:01] uh...

[1:24:03] it's election we call our new restaurant pizza palace uh... let's not promise to

[1:24:07] me to say i think

[1:24:09] pizza shack people are going to think they're going to buy radios yeah yeah

[1:24:12] okay okay great

[1:24:14] uh... yeah i would probably say uh...

[1:24:17] i'd probably say some kind of like dystopia right like uh... the alexander

[1:24:21] payne movie universe

[1:24:23] sideways

[1:24:25] like sideways or about schmidt

[1:24:28] uh... although i mean i guess i'd like to

[1:24:31] i guess i'd like to spend the rest of my years with june squibb she's really

[1:24:35] great

[1:24:37] so i guess i don't know i mean i guess sometimes you know

[1:24:41] the perfect kind of hell is one that has uh... you know what perfect cage is

[1:24:44] beautiful bars you know uh... so this uh... second and final letters from zach

[1:24:50] last thing withheld

[1:24:51] zach graph short start alexander says he was the only thing that i was in

[1:24:55] california and i would say that he would be a doctor about a podcaster

[1:24:58] theoretically could be a health podcast

[1:25:01] uh... a floppers i've been jumping around to random episodes your back

[1:25:04] catalog

[1:25:05] i gave episodes to seventy interview with a vampire listen yesterday

[1:25:10] and that one elliot asked for advice about what sells kids about santa

[1:25:14] elliot you should definitely do what my mom did for me

[1:25:17] the last winter before i started elementary school and was therefore

[1:25:20] about to be around kids who believed in santa

[1:25:23] my mom wanted me to be prepared but to not ruin it for others

[1:25:27] first she explained what other kids believed about santa

[1:25:30] coming to almost every house going down chimneys with gifts

[1:25:33] et cetera

[1:25:35] she's been explained the origins of santa claus how he was based on a real

[1:25:38] person saint nicholas

[1:25:40] but that he lived and died a long time ago and so it's not coming down people's

[1:25:43] chimneys bringing them gifts

[1:25:45] and you're saying gifts

[1:25:47] not gifts the animated yeah okay animated it was instead parents who got

[1:25:52] all the gifts for their children

[1:25:54] it was a very sensitive well-thought-out explanation

[1:25:57] that answered all of my questions and set me up to be a well-functioning

[1:25:59] member of a society that likes lying to other kids

[1:26:03] the next time we went to a grocery store the clerk checking us out asked us

[1:26:07] so what is santa getting you for christmas

[1:26:09] without missing a beat and remembering my training i answered

[1:26:12] oh nothing my mom told me santa was dead

[1:26:17] so okay now that i've given you some invaluable advice

[1:26:21] i was hoping you could return the favor

[1:26:23] i'm scheduled to be getting a vasectomy soon

[1:26:26] after the surgery i'll be sitting on the couch for a couple of days watching

[1:26:29] movies

[1:26:30] i want some titles that fit the theme so i've got castle freak and antichrist

[1:26:34] queued up

[1:26:35] there's also a lorena bobbitt miniseries

[1:26:38] i've got a couple of days to fill up though help me floppers you're my only

[1:26:41] hope

[1:26:42] yours in flopitude zach last name withheld

[1:26:45] right off the top of my dome i'm gonna say there's that great scene in robocop

[1:26:49] where he shoots the bad guy in the dick

[1:26:51] there's also hot dog there's hot dog the movie

[1:26:53] can cinema boy get in here? cinema boy yeah please

[1:26:57] if you're getting a vasectomy first movie you should watch is damon wayne's blank man

[1:27:00] okay i was going to say street trash there's a scene in street trash where they

[1:27:04] play keep away with a severed penis

[1:27:06] now let's not forget that both in piranha 3d there is a close-up of a

[1:27:10] severed penis that has just been bitten off of uh...

[1:27:13] jeremy o'connell

[1:27:14] and that in snakes on a plane a snake does bite a man's dick and it leads to the

[1:27:26] immortal line

[1:27:27] ah get off my dick doesn't the piranha

[1:27:30] like also kind of like barf up the penis yeah he bites it off and then he spits

[1:27:35] it he like throws it up in front of the camera yeah because that's and why that

[1:27:38] movie was nominated for best picture

[1:27:39] I don't know yeah the movie that famously we went to see

[1:27:43] on the day of your wedding it was a great day

[1:27:46] uh... i want to say two things off this letter one

[1:27:49] uh...

[1:27:51] the letter writer will be happy to know that we have talked to my son about

[1:27:53] Santa Claus we did something similar we were like hey

[1:27:56] this is the truth but other kids like it so don't say things about it one time we

[1:28:01] were walking to school he saw it was like a deflated Santa that had uh... in

[1:28:05] front of someone's lawn and he was like oh I guess Santa died and I was like no

[1:28:10] no that's just a deflated thing and he goes dad why do they believe in Santa since he's not real

[1:28:13] like God and I was like okay this is a bigger conversation hold on a second

[1:28:18] uh...

[1:28:19] and the other thing I want to say is his vasectomy story reminds me of

[1:28:22] when I had a kidney stone

[1:28:25] and I was just sitting at home watching movies because I was in such pain

[1:28:29] and I watched from beyond and I was like this movie really gets how I'm feeling

[1:28:33] right now because it was like

[1:28:34] goopy and people's bodies were getting destroyed I was like uh... finally

[1:28:38] someone's telling my story

[1:28:40] kind of like a farewell to the flesh type moment

[1:28:43] exactly I wish I could have said farewell to the flesh

[1:28:46] probably watched romancing the stone as well

[1:28:49] oh yeah I watch all stone movies romancing the stone, movies with Sharon Stone

[1:28:53] the family stone

[1:28:55] yeah the family stone

[1:28:57] all that stuff

[1:28:59] uh... so this is a point in the podcast where we recommend movies movies that

[1:29:04] we actually enjoyed

[1:29:06] movies you should see probably instead of the fanatic I'm gonna say I'm just

[1:29:10] gonna go out there's a guess I don't know what you guys are all going to recommend but I'm

[1:29:13] gonna say

[1:29:14] definitely instead of the fanatic

[1:29:16] all right uh...

[1:29:18] I guess I'll kick it off uh...

[1:29:20] there's a movie I watched recently uh... I think it was on shutter that I saw it

[1:29:24] it's called strange behavior

[1:29:26] uh... aka dead kids is the other name for that movie

[1:29:32] and uh... it was directed by Michael Laughlin and it was written by

[1:29:37] uh... Bill Condon and Michael Laughlin Bill Condon you might know went on to do

[1:29:41] uh...

[1:29:42] gods and monsters chicago

[1:29:44] other stuff

[1:29:45] uh...

[1:29:47] and it's uh... an Aussie horror film

[1:29:50] uh... you know I like my Ausploitation

[1:29:52] and it's a kind of a mashup of the

[1:29:56] serial killer or slasher rather and uh...

[1:30:00] and mad scientist genres, where there are

[1:30:04] scientists in the small town performing mysterious experiments

[1:30:08] that are doing

[1:30:12] lead to killings, let's say. I don't want to spoil too much of the film.

[1:30:15] But, you know, I don't want to oversell it, but if you have like

[1:30:20] a fondness for, you know, B-movies from the eighties that are made with a little more

[1:30:25] craft than they needed to be made with

[1:30:28] then this is for you. There's some very creative

[1:30:31] filming and staging of some of the suspense sequences.

[1:30:35] So, Strange Behavior is my recommendation. Anyone else?

[1:30:38] Yeah, I

[1:30:42] just did some traveling, you know.

[1:30:45] I went down to Florida to visit my folks and I

[1:30:48] watched some movies on my trip. I have a tendency to

[1:30:52] watch movies on planes that have an accidentally large amount of nudity.

[1:30:58] That's always fun. I like it when random guys

[1:31:02] slap me in the arm and give me a thumbs up while I'm trying to hunch over my laptop to

[1:31:07] prevent anyone from seeing

[1:31:08] watching Irreversible. Yeah, to keep people from seeing all my shame

[1:31:12] like the movie Shame. But

[1:31:16] this time I made a point not to watch it on a plane. I watched

[1:31:19] the movie I Am Love, directed by Luca Guadagnino,

[1:31:24] who is probably one of my favorite

[1:31:27] directors working right now. This is one of his earlier films

[1:31:31] starring Tilda Swinton and it's about a young woman, well

[1:31:37] a mother of three who

[1:31:40] has a Russian woman who's married into an Italian

[1:31:43] a wealthy Italian family and the

[1:31:46] family's both dealing with business changes and also

[1:31:50] some turbulent personal things. And like a lot of his movies

[1:31:54] it's basically like a lush feast of a movie.

[1:31:58] It's beautiful. It's very physical.

[1:32:01] It's got a, let's say, very present

[1:32:05] score and some really great performances from

[1:32:09] Tilda Swinton and the rest of the cast. I found it beautiful and moving.

[1:32:12] I'd like to, Cinema Molloy would like to recommend

[1:32:16] I'm sure, this might have been recommended before, I didn't get a chance to look through your whole back catalog

[1:32:20] but I'm going to Japan in a few weeks and I'm gonna go to the

[1:32:24] Ghibli Museum, Ghibli? Ghibli? And I watched Grave of the Fireflies.

[1:32:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, oh, don't watch this if you're having a bad day.

[1:32:33] But if you're bulletproof. But if you're having a good day,

[1:32:37] that's the time to watch it. That's the way to ruin it. It is beautiful.

[1:32:41] It's so, so sad, but it's set during World War II in Japan.

[1:32:46] It's about a young boy and his

[1:32:49] kid sister who kind of lose everything and have to fend for themselves in the trials and

[1:32:53] tribulations they go through.

[1:32:54] The voice acting is incredible, subs over dubs always,

[1:32:58] and it's just beautifully done. And it's a very, it's a very

[1:33:01] incredible, touching, incredible story. Have you watched any,

[1:33:04] I remember when I bought like the DVD years ago

[1:33:07] and there's some supplementary materials where they were like talking to the

[1:33:10] director and the

[1:33:11] the author of the story and his takeaway was so much

[1:33:16] different than my takeaway. He was like shocked that people felt sympathy for

[1:33:20] the characters when he's like,

[1:33:21] clearly what they're doing was wrong. And I'm like, what is happening?

[1:33:25] Oh man, what good movie.

[1:33:28] That's a great

[1:33:32] segue for my movie, which is also a difficult to watch film about World War II.

[1:33:37] But this time in the European theater. I recently saw the movie Come and See,

[1:33:40] which is a Russian, or you could say Belarusian,

[1:33:44] movie from 1985 about a young man who

[1:33:47] lives in a village in Belarus and decides against his mother's wishes to

[1:33:52] join the

[1:33:52] Soviet partisans, or I guess, I guess they're Soviet, the partisans fighting the

[1:33:56] Nazis

[1:33:57] and finds that the war is so much more horrifying

[1:34:01] than he thought it would be. And it is,

[1:34:04] it's a really like amazingly powerful,

[1:34:07] but also like difficult to watch movie. But it goes to a place at the end

[1:34:12] that I found like, there are certain points where I'm like, yeah,

[1:34:16] war is terrible, like I understand, it's really hitting you hard, but the way

[1:34:19] they do certain things and where the movie goes to at the end is very

[1:34:22] surprising and strange and something that I did not expect or see coming,

[1:34:26] but which really moved me in the end. I was very, I mentioned moved earlier about

[1:34:30] iPodius, I was also moved

[1:34:31] watching this. But it's a movie to watch like with a

[1:34:35] knowing that you're gonna watch something that's gonna make you uncomfortable and

[1:34:39] not happy. So yeah, just pop up a big bucket of popcorn.

[1:34:43] Eat some B12. Get the family together. It's a great first date movie.

[1:34:47] And just be ready for

[1:34:51] incredibly powerful terror. That's Come and See.

[1:34:54] Okay, so that's our show

[1:34:58] guys. Thank you to our guests for being here. Do you want to thank our guests?

[1:35:02] Yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much for joining us,

[1:35:05] Adil. Use my real name. Cinema Boy. I'm so sorry, Cinema Boy, thank you for joining us.

[1:35:11] Remind us again, where can we find you outside of this podcast, Cinema Boy?

[1:35:14] Yeah, you can find me on the podcast, How's it Going for the Magic Tavern?

[1:35:18] And Hey Riddle Riddle, which is a new podcast I do.

[1:35:23] I think if you just Google

[1:35:26] funniest podcast, right? Famously, yes.

[1:35:30] That's how Rachel Bloom found us. But yeah, check those out.

[1:35:34] Hey Riddle Riddle and Hello from the Magic Tavern.

[1:35:36] And you can find me on Twitter at AdilRefai. Spell it how it sounds.

[1:35:41] Great. Our show is on the Maximum Fun Podcast Network,

[1:35:45] home to many great podcasts.

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[1:35:52] Yep, yada yada. Tweet about us.

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[1:35:58] Give us good reviews on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts from.

[1:36:02] And thank you very much for listening.

[1:36:04] And Randy, where can we find you? Do you have anything to plug?

[1:36:07] Well, I'm all sorts of places, like Pixar movies.

[1:36:11] Or maybe you just see me down at a diner, probably ordering a side of fries.

[1:36:16] That's enough for me.

[1:36:18] I don't need a Philz meal. I had a big breakfast.

[1:36:23] Well, you know, guys, it's interesting to say

[1:36:26] sometimes when you're singing, the words get in your way

[1:36:30] and you just got to go like this.

[1:36:33] Careful. Careful, Randy. Careful.

[1:36:35] And boy, did you know that you got a friend in me?

[1:36:40] Yeah. Stuck the landing.

[1:36:42] All right. Well, I'll say this.

[1:36:44] This episode was created with the help of Jordan Cowling from Maximum Fun.

[1:36:49] And Dan, is there anything else we have to we'd like to say?

[1:36:53] Any flop housekeeping?

[1:36:55] No, that's it. OK, send us a letter if you want.

[1:36:58] And maybe Randy Newman will sing about it sometime.

[1:37:01] Well, I don't make promises.

[1:37:02] I'm a busy guy.

[1:37:03] I just happened to stop by today.

[1:37:08] Oh, no. I arrived in the middle instead of at the end.

[1:37:11] Yes. Sorry, Randy.

[1:37:13] Guys, I just realized in that drawing at the end when John Travolta

[1:37:16] has the eye patch in the hook and he grows wings, he turns into the angel Michael.

[1:37:21] Oh, and so it's a prequel to Michael.

[1:37:24] That makes a lot of sense.

[1:37:25] It sounds like a real phenomenon.

[1:37:29] Broken Arrow.

[1:37:31] All right, guys, see you next time.

[1:37:33] Bye. We'll be staying alive. Bye.

[1:37:47] And Oscar Isaac is Duke Leto Atreides.

[1:37:50] Zendaya is Chani.

[1:37:52] And Michi. But it doesn't say who's going to play Feyabuza.

[1:37:55] Definitely. Yeah, definitely Michi still.

[1:37:59] And.

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