Ep. #322 - Money Plane

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Money Plane.

[0:03] When you absolutely, positively only have Kelsey Grammer for one day of shooting.

[0:30] Hey everyone, welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:39] Oh, hey there. I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:40] Elliot Kalin's here, and our special guest this week is Nobody.

[0:45] Mr. Nobody from the Doom Patrol TV show?

[0:49] Exactly. All wrapped up in bandages and all that stuff.

[0:53] You won't be talking.

[0:55] Yeah, in the TV show he looks more like, kind of like a weird Tron thing.

[0:59] It's pretty awesome, and it's got part of Alan Tudyk's face, so thumbs up.

[1:03] Oh, so which character am I thinking of?

[1:05] I think you're thinking of, oh, man, what's that guy's name that looks like an invisible man type?

[1:10] Yeah.

[1:11] I don't remember.

[1:12] I haven't seen the show.

[1:13] I've only started watching the show.

[1:14] I haven't seen the show, and it's been a long time since I read the comic books.

[1:17] But they cast Matt Bomer as that guy, and you're like, when you've got a face like that,

[1:24] you're wasting it under all that bandages, but whatever, you know, red collar, et cetera.

[1:28] I'm thinking of Negative Man.

[1:30] Negative Man.

[1:30] That's what I'm thinking of.

[1:31] Hey, so on this podcast, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[1:38] Yep.

[1:38] And we are entering the holiday section of our Flophouse calendar year where we have a bunch of semi-arbitrary, you know, theme months and days and such.

[1:52] And this is Small Timber.

[1:54] Small Vember, as it's actually called.

[1:57] Where we watch smaller movies.

[1:59] And this year, we're going to watch a couple that aren't, like, super small the way we sometimes do.

[2:04] But they are definitely sort of dumped to video-style movies.

[2:09] This is Small Vember Battle of the Stars.

[2:13] That's right.

[2:14] We're going to be watching Small Vember movies that happen to land a well-known name or names in them.

[2:18] So we're not going to have any loves on a leash this time.

[2:22] And these movies all have background music and at least a few recognizable faces.

[2:27] And this movie has a ton of recognizable faces, even if Thomas Jane's face, for some reason, is not – I could not recognize him.

[2:35] I love it.

[2:35] Well, I couldn't recognize Joey Lawrence, I'll tell you that.

[2:38] He's changed a lot.

[2:39] Because he's a chameleon.

[2:40] I mean, the last time you saw him was on Blossom, too.

[2:42] When you realized it was Joey Lawrence, I think you said, whoa.

[2:47] You ask yourself how did they get Joey Lawrence and the immediate answer is because his brother directed the movie and that's why there's another Lawrence brother also in it.

[2:54] But it's an all-star cast for a small Vember movie.

[2:57] It's one of those things where, you know, you got to build a movie around a wrestler.

[3:04] So how are you going to do it?

[3:05] Well, you're going to have to make him the greatest con artist heist artist in the history of the world.

[3:11] You're going to have to make him sit down for most of the movie.

[3:14] Now, guys, did you have to look it up to realize that the lead was a former wrestler?

[3:21] Or could you tell from his muscles and ponytail combo?

[3:25] I did not know he was a former wrestler.

[3:29] I did look him up after seeing the Money Plane trailer, which, of course, made the rounds on the Internet.

[3:35] Everyone was delighted by that.

[3:36] That was the meme of the day for a while.

[3:38] But, yeah, I was like, this looks like a guy who should be someone, but I have no idea.

[3:44] Yeah, I think he wrestled under the nom de wrestle of Edge, which I'm guessing is some kind of guitar playing fellow.

[3:50] Here he's listed under what I assume is his birth name of Adam Copeland.

[3:56] But yet once I knew he was Edge, I was like, oh, okay, I'm semi-familiar with him.

[4:00] But I did not recognize his regular name or his face, but I did recognize his physique and his long hair.

[4:08] He was either a wrestler or, when the movie was over, he just got on a motorcycle and traveled the country righting wrongs and bringing justice to those who had escaped through the loopholes of the legal system.

[4:18] A real renegade or like a Knuckles-type figure.

[4:19] Yeah, like Knuckles from the Sonic games.

[4:22] Exactly, yeah.

[4:23] Is that what Knuckles does?

[4:26] He rides a motorcycle across the country bringing justice?

[4:28] I mean, in all the drawings I make, yes.

[4:30] He just rides the country righting wrongs and impregnating Sonics from coast to coast.

[4:38] in these drawings? Is there anything about

[4:40] Knuckles being pregnant or

[4:42] maybe like...

[4:44] Knuckles isn't pregnant. He's more like a Johnny Appleseed

[4:46] type figure, so he's always leaving little

[4:48] Knuckles, you know, half-Knuckles behind.

[4:50] He's impregnating others. That's why I've seen so many

[4:52] pregnant Garfields on the internet as well.

[4:55] Knuckles came around.

[4:57] Yeah, you can't trust him.

[4:58] That is what John Arbuckle would want you to

[5:00] believe, that that's Knuckles doing.

[5:02] Oh, shit.

[5:02] Let's not go further on this one.

[5:05] Allegedly.

[5:08] Look, I'm just saying wait for the book, guys.

[5:10] The book's coming out.

[5:11] So this movie, Dan, you mentioned that the trailer was going around.

[5:15] We watched the trailer for Money Plane, and I feel like not since the trailer for Fateful Findings first hit my eyeballs was I like, yeah, this is a movie I'm going to have to see on the flophouse.

[5:25] I'm going to have to watch that thing.

[5:27] And it was perfect for Small Vember, but you know what?

[5:30] I'm not going to be piloting this plane as much as I would like to.

[5:34] Nope.

[5:34] Listeners, we're going to be in the very capable hands of Captain Wellington.

[5:38] Yep, I bonked Elliot on the head and stuffed him in the airplane toilet so I can fly this plane.

[5:45] That's what happens when you do that.

[5:46] Just like the baggage air.

[5:48] And then you told the flight attendant, don't go in there.

[5:51] My friend's feeling flushed.

[5:53] Yeah.

[5:54] And they're like, that's a stretch.

[5:58] Okay, so, of course, the movie opens, as you would imagine, it opens over narration.

[6:05] We hear a Frasierian voice echoing in the distance.

[6:08] It tells of a legendary money plane where any bets are possible.

[6:13] If you wanted to bet on a man fucking an alligator, you can.

[6:17] Now, here's, hold on a second.

[6:19] Here's something I wanted to just ask a question is, so let's say you're laying a bet on a man fucking an alligator.

[6:26] What is the bet?

[6:27] Yeah, I see where you're going here.

[6:28] Because if the bet is, will that man fuck the alligator, like, you're not going to get much of a payoff if you bet on the man not fucking the alligator.

[6:38] Because I assume that the odds are, you know, like, huge in favor of the man not fucking the alligator.

[6:44] Because the alligator will probably eat him, yeah.

[6:46] I mean, like, are the odds that he's going to impregnate the alligator?

[6:50] In which case, that's also a sucker's bet because they're two different species.

[6:53] It's not going to work.

[6:54] A mammal cannot impregnate a reptile.

[6:56] It seems like the only good play here is to place a small bet on the man, the alligator, having coitus.

[7:03] Yep.

[7:04] And then, like, you know, it's something you can afford to lose, but it'll pay off big if it happens.

[7:10] That's my tip to you, Danny the Greek.

[7:15] Yeah, you can usually see Dan at the New Jersey racetracks that have recently reopened.

[7:20] Yeah, just giving hot tips on cross-species events.

[7:26] Yep, he's taking out his racing forms from the brim of his cap and he's occasionally ripping them up in anger and then having to go explain things to somebody over the phone.

[7:38] And every now and then he ends up getting scammed by an Italian-ish man who's pretending to sell Tootsie Fruitsie ice cream but is in fact selling betting books.

[7:47] And Dan has bought an elaborate library of betting books from this guy.

[7:52] Yeah, that is a, I mean, you know, everyone who gets that joke, I love you.

[7:57] So the narration actually doesn't happen.

[8:03] I made that up.

[8:04] That was a Stuart fib.

[8:05] You caught me, guys.

[8:06] Take me away to Stuart jail.

[8:09] That's a jail filled only with me's.

[8:11] Wait, wait, so it's, but you run the jail or you own it?

[8:14] I also run and own it, yes.

[8:16] So it seems like a conflict of interest that you would be imprisoned in your own jail.

[8:19] The thing is, that's a lot of characters for me to have to play, but they're all me, so I think I can do it, right?

[8:24] Is it like an undercover boss situation?

[8:28] It is like an underground boss situation.

[8:30] Thank you, Dan, for pointing that out.

[8:31] Well, and that's the thing, is that it's all about me just kind of figuring out that the people who work for me, who are also me, they have, you know, they're fully realized characters.

[8:41] They have well-rounded lives, and you know what?

[8:43] They need the support of a boss who is also me.

[8:45] So we go, the movie opens on...

[8:48] And who are the customers?

[8:49] Who's the customers?

[8:50] Customers at a prison.

[8:52] I mean, I guess that's a modern take on prisons.

[8:55] I mean, that is the prison industrial complex we live in.

[8:58] Those customers, as I think you've already guessed, also me.

[9:02] So we go, the movie opens on a con or a grift.

[9:07] It's media res, like usual, where we have...

[9:10] I think you would call this a heist.

[9:12] Yep, so it's a heist, yep.

[9:13] So it's a heist happening at what appears to be an art museum,

[9:18] Although the exteriors look like a warehouse, right?

[9:23] Yeah, but we are helpfully given the Chiron Art Museum.

[9:27] The museum has no name, unless in a kind of touch of making the museum a piece of ready-made art itself in a Duchampian way,

[9:35] is just labeled Art Museum without any other identifying characteristics.

[9:38] It could be that this museum is kind of a pop-up event that's all part of a larger creative poke at what is art, what is a museum.

[9:47] Because as we'll see, does this museum have any art in it?

[9:50] We'll find out.

[9:51] Now, Stuart, I want to ask you a question right off the bat.

[9:53] Sure, I'm on it.

[9:55] In a heist movie, this first scene where we learn who the team is and see them pull a job,

[10:06] that heist must be amazing with a lot of ins and outs just to show you how cool these guys are

[10:13] and a lot of style, you know?

[10:15] Well, Dan, you're right.

[10:17] So we're introduced to our three very stylish—wait, three or four—I guess four very stylish members of a team.

[10:23] Four, but one of them is kind of a junior member, as we'll see.

[10:26] Yeah, I guess.

[10:27] So thanks for clarifying, Elliot.

[10:29] The leader is Jack Reese, you know, obviously heir to the Reese's fortune.

[10:36] And I'm guessing this happens before he meets up with Cole and Macon and starts working for the Hellfire Club.

[10:42] Yep.

[10:43] And they eventually become the Reaver.

[10:45] No, they become the Lady Deathstroke's, yeah, they're the Reavers, right?

[10:49] Yeah.

[10:49] The backup guys?

[10:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[10:51] And it's Lady Deathstrike.

[10:52] Lady Deathstrike is, wait, right?

[10:55] Lady Deathstrike, I guess, is Deathstroke the Terminator's wife.

[10:58] That's what I was going to suggest.

[10:59] It is Lady Deathstrike.

[11:01] Yeah.

[11:02] And I imagine if I called her that, she would be very upset.

[11:06] And she would have to speak to my manager.

[11:08] Is she the one that has, like, Wolverine fingernails?

[11:12] Yeah.

[11:13] Yeah, she's got super long, sharp talons and kind of like—and she has circuitry around her boobs, and she wears a kind of samurai-type vest.

[11:21] Okay, yeah.

[11:22] That's Lady Deathstrike.

[11:23] I'm seeing her.

[11:23] And her father pioneered the procedure that grafted the adamantium to Wolverine's bones, right?

[11:30] Yes.

[11:32] But he died in a suicide attempt on a run on a U.S. aircraft carrier or something during World War II?

[11:41] That I don't remember.

[11:43] I thought her dad's not Donald Pierce?

[11:45] Or is that someone else?

[11:46] I think that's someone else.

[11:47] If I actually got this right and Elliot got it wrong, man, I can't wait to do a victory.

[11:53] Anyway, money playing.

[11:53] The important thing is that Lady Deathstroke runs a small shop in their home.

[11:59] It's that kind of place that sells kind of novelty bags and funny T-shirts and little toys and stuff.

[12:04] And it doesn't make money, but Deathstroke the Terminator just loves that she's got this entrepreneur.

[12:11] entrepreneurial spirit and he wants to encourage that that's the thing during quarantine it actually

[12:14] became the primary uh source of income for their household right now because deathstroke can't go

[12:19] out there kill people how could he do that he's not he's got socially distanced yeah that's true

[12:23] he can't fly even though he does wear a mask all the time he does wear a mask all the time okay so

[12:28] uh of course so we have our point man jack reese we have his other team members yet we have a tech

[12:34] support guy trey who is also kind of uh constantly befuddled and nervous uh we have izzy who is uh

[12:42] played of course played to a t by our writer director andrew lawrence of the lawrence uh

[12:48] dynasty and we have isabella who is a well like a martial arts expert murderer lady she is that

[12:55] she's the muscle and she is yeah she's your badass lady assassin yep so they are breaking into this

[13:02] art museum to steal a painting but when they get there they realize the painting is already gone

[13:07] it's been a double cross uh these guys all have machine guns but they get knocked out with what

[13:11] like one flash bang and then isabella's punches and kicks they steal a gun and shoot a bunch of

[13:17] people then yeah i just wanted to say this is i of course was being ironic earlier when i said that

[13:23] they would start this heist movie with a really fancy heist the heist seems to be that uh the

[13:28] tech guy has cloned a uh an access badge and uh he seems to be doing it in a very weird way where

[13:37] he's like hacking into the system while the guy's trying to like get walk in rather than i don't

[13:43] know like just like magnetizing a strip with the right access or whatever the day before yeah but

[13:50] like uh so there's a bit of a tension where he can't get in and then he basically just like i

[13:56] don't know they like try and walk out with the painting there's no real heist to this well they

[14:00] well they go in and the painting's not there uh and so there's the there's the extra little stroke

[14:06] where they had tapped into the security camera that showed that the painting was there but in

[14:11] reality the painting's not there so part of the double cross is that their hack of the security

[14:16] camera hasn't turned been hacked and it's totally unnecessary there's no reason that they couldn't

[14:21] just have the guy walk in and say hey the painting's not here the whole security camera thing

[14:25] is a waste of time yeah so i'm glad i mentioned it so we then uh of course we fall back on plan

[14:30] b which is uh i they i guess they just start shooting the security guards who are shooting

[14:35] back at them but it is like i think these guys are just doing their job they're not villains they

[14:40] work at a art museum right well these guys are the uh these these heist guys are kind of the

[14:44] michael moore of of bandits where uh their real issue is with the is with the thing they're

[14:50] heisting but if that means they're just going to ruin the day of a security guy who's just

[14:54] being paid minimum wage to watch the lobby of the of the exxon building or whatever they'll do it

[15:01] you know they'll just shove a camera in his face and bother him even though he has no control over

[15:05] the situation and is literally just trying to make insurance money so that he can pay for his family

[15:10] you know so they all load up in an unmarked van we have a thrilling escape which involves uh some

[15:16] very good fake driving acting from andrew lawrence as he like throws himself back as if he just uh

[15:22] slammed on the gas uh and then we we cut to the next scene where we're introduced to uh the the

[15:29] guy who was supposed to be paying for this painting that's right kelsey grammar who plays

[15:35] oh god damn it darius grouch the third darius emmanuel grouch the third but what's his nickname

[15:43] that only he calls himself aka the rumble which is maybe the dumbest tough guy nickname i've ever

[15:51] coolest tough guy nickname especially for kelsey grammar like because it does sound like a wrestling

[15:58] name as well it's well it's what happens when he gives you a hug he shakes you a little bit

[16:03] it makes me wonder if there was an earlier version of this script where the bad guy was a tough guy

[16:08] and he was gonna fight adam copeland's edge but then they got kelsey grammar for it and they're

[16:13] like no way is anyone gonna believe that edge wouldn't just rip kelsey grammar in two but we're

[16:19] keeping we're still gonna call him the rumble and he's the only guy who calls himself the rumble

[16:23] is we find out later his company is called like rumble rumble incorporated it's called rumple

[16:28] he's much more rumpled and rumpled than rumble i'm assuming there was also a similar scene at

[16:35] the end of eraser where uh arnold schwarzenegger was supposed to fight the villain and they're

[16:40] like actually we got james khan so he's too old that was always that was always my friend rory's

[16:47] theory about the movie commando was that they hired um why am i forgetting vernon wells and

[16:54] they're like this guy's huge and we'll have a big fight between him and ronald schwarzenegger and

[16:57] then vernon wells showed up not in amazing shape and they were like okay well we're gonna have to

[17:01] have ronald schwarzenegger get shot in the arm or something so this is believable as a fight

[17:05] in reality as we found out later when we went to a screening where the director of commando appeared

[17:09] commando was supposed to end with a big speedboat chase and they ran out of money and they had to

[17:14] shoot it on the lot and so they literally just found a basement yeah and that they were able

[17:18] to rig up to look like a cooler basement i mean vernon wells looks very tough in that movie because

[17:24] doesn't he wear like a little chain mail vest that's super tough he wears like a chain mail

[17:28] undershirt and also a freddie mercury mustache it's amazing so the whole time you're like oh so

[17:33] this is the alternate universe where freddie mercury is like a thug yeah working for bad guys

[17:37] yeah okay so we're introduced to the rumble he's awesome he talks about how a bunch of painters are

[17:43] a bunch of bitches um and then he explains the plot of the movie which is he needs he had bought

[17:51] a mark uh you guys might have to correct me he bought the the marker that was on reese's head

[17:57] reese's uh reese owed a lot of money to a lot of bad people but the rumble bought that marker

[18:01] and now reese owes jack owes money to the rumble so he needs him to pay that money back since he

[18:09] wasn't able to successfully steal the painting he's going to have to sneak aboard the legendary

[18:15] money plane a high-stakes casino in the sky and steal a whole bunch of cryptocurrency or else his

[18:23] wife played by denise richards and their daughter will die am i leaving anything out nope totally

[18:29] right uh you're you have everything in there and uh as we'll later find out the whole thing of

[18:34] Of the painting heist

[18:36] Again we'll discover

[18:37] It was all double crossed

[18:38] I mean that's the least

[18:39] Surprising thing in the movie

[18:41] It also

[18:41] It was like an unnecessary

[18:42] He's like

[18:42] As we'll find out

[18:43] He's like

[18:44] He's like hey

[18:45] I bought your marker

[18:46] You owe me a lot of money

[18:47] And in order to get

[18:49] To cancel your debt

[18:50] You have to steal me a painting

[18:51] You screwed up the painting heist

[18:53] Now you gotta rob the money plane

[18:54] Yeah

[18:55] It's like well why

[18:55] Why didn't you just have him

[18:56] Rob the money plane

[18:57] Yeah

[18:57] I don't know what

[18:58] That's

[18:59] Yeah that's a good point

[19:00] As is a frequent occurrence

[19:02] On the Flophouse

[19:03] You have scooped me

[19:04] this was exactly my criticism you've you've over complicated your uh thing and also you have made

[19:13] your employee uh more apt to uh double cross you because i feel like you know if you if you make

[19:20] him rob the money playing to pay back his marker there's a chance he'll just pay back his marker

[19:25] but if he finds out that you you like screwed him on this heist for some reason and in the meantime

[19:32] like you've threatened his family it seems like you've given that guy much more motivation to

[19:37] just turn on you yeah and i mean when he explains this uh this almost ludicrous plan before handing

[19:43] him just like a normal size duffel bag that has everything he needs in it uh you know jack of

[19:51] course is like are you joking me and and the rumble says do i look like i'm joking he says

[19:56] while smiling so i think he is joking i don't know it's hard to read uh so we uh the team meets

[20:04] up they're like this is going to be impossible but we're gonna have to do it wait i forget did

[20:08] we did we explain the money plane did we explain it's a high stakes casino it's a high stakes

[20:13] casino but stewart what makes this what makes this a special kind of casino why does it have

[20:19] to be up in the air starring george clooney uh well it's i mean i've already said that it's a

[20:24] high stakes casino and also they cover things where you know if you want to bet on anything

[20:28] like a man fucking an alligator sounds much cooler when kelsey grammar says it but the reason why

[20:35] that's on a plane though is so they can fly to what international waters or something international

[20:39] airspace and as we all know no laws apply in the sky no yeah no laws and i also want to mention

[20:47] stewart said it was a high stakes it's the highest possible stakes because they're up in the sky

[20:52] steaks don't get any higher uh but here's they also serve steak on board

[20:57] those are the high stakes they were talking about with pot so they're really oh yeah that's

[21:03] interesting too yeah yeah yeah they're pumping just pot vapors into the plane so so they're

[21:07] eating steaks in the air while doing high stakes gambling while also they're high as kites and

[21:12] they're in a plane so yeah they really covered all their bases on this one let's go guys it sounds

[21:18] Now, here's the thing that we'll find out later, but I'm going to scoop it again, is they're watching video feeds of some of these Bloodsport events, which implies that those are happening on the ground.

[21:27] So the illegal part is happening on the ground where there is very much national jurisdiction.

[21:32] Those are happening on a different plane that is flying in international airspace.

[21:36] Really? Even the one where the guy just chops another guy's hand off and it looks like they're in a living room?

[21:41] Well, Elliot, I hate to break it to you, but sometimes living rooms can be in planes.

[21:47] You know, that's what we're talking about.

[21:48] We're talking about micro-domiciles now.

[21:51] Now, Stu, why do you hate to break that to him?

[21:54] I hate to break it to you.

[21:55] I know it's going to blow me out.

[21:58] I understood why he...

[21:59] No, no, he was right to hate to break that.

[22:01] That was not a good break.

[22:02] Okay.

[22:02] So around here is where we get the...

[22:05] This is around where we get the credits,

[22:07] credit sequence, very professional, so good.

[22:09] We get a little bit of family time

[22:13] so we can see what the real stakes are for Jack.

[22:18] He's got a loving wife and daughter at home.

[22:20] They love to play around when he's at home.

[22:22] He even takes his ponytail out.

[22:24] He lets his hair flow free like he's Knuckles again.

[22:27] They have a lovely house.

[22:30] And his wife is Denise Richards, who has upwards of one line, maybe two.

[22:36] I don't know.

[22:37] Denise Richards, you could say her role does not really justify her face being on the poster.

[22:43] as it is i was i was amazed and surprised at how little denise richards there is and there's part

[22:48] of me that wonders if denise richard they were just at her house and she didn't really know that

[22:53] they were shooting a movie that that certainly is possible they do it it does kind of beg the

[22:58] question like this is this is a whole like also a like a one last job for our heroes uh which i

[23:05] guess like he's got a pretty nice house right like it doesn't feel like he's that desperate i guess

[23:11] his desperation is that his desperation is that people are going to kill him yes he's he has

[23:16] something like 40 million dollars in debt or something like that or i don't know exactly how

[23:20] much it was but it's a lot of debt i mean i guess that's the thing like sometimes people like the

[23:24] the money that they show is not necessarily the money they have i mean sometimes people are super

[23:29] in debt but they have a nice you know etc it's one of those houses where it's a really nice house but

[23:34] they've only got like two or three rooms with furniture in it like the rest are all empty

[23:37] because they really can't afford that house.

[23:38] Now, doing some research,

[23:40] I saw the producer of this movie,

[23:41] Richard Switzer,

[23:42] he had worked with Denise Richards before,

[23:44] which makes me think that

[23:45] he was calling in a favor

[23:47] from an old buddy, possibly.

[23:48] But I also learned that in 2016,

[23:50] he produced a movie called

[23:52] Arlo the Burping Pig,

[23:54] which was another Joey Lawrence vehicle.

[23:56] So if anyone has any information

[23:58] about Arlo the Burping Pig,

[24:00] starring Joey Lawrence and Drake Bell,

[24:03] it says,

[24:04] it sounds like it's a family film,

[24:06] but who knows?

[24:07] Maybe it's a taut thriller.

[24:08] Let me know.

[24:09] Is Drake Bell the animated dinosaur voiced by Lake Bell?

[24:13] It's interesting.

[24:15] I went the other direction.

[24:16] I was like, in my head, I'm like, is Drake Bell a duck played by Lake Bell?

[24:20] Yeah, that's cool.

[24:21] You know, that's the difference between you and me.

[24:24] Dinosaurs and ducks.

[24:27] So obviously.

[24:29] Yep, that's the old album, Dinosaurs and Ducks.

[24:33] It's a hot rockin' album, yeah.

[24:36] so our team obviously has to do the job they talk a little bit through it uh trey is going to go on

[24:42] board with jack even though it seems a little weird because he seems more of a tech support

[24:45] guy but they need him to hack that mainframe isabella's going to sneak on they already got

[24:50] her a job as a flight attendant which seems kind of easy that they were able to do uh they talk

[24:56] about the plan which basically the plan they talk about is exactly what's going to happen it's kind

[25:01] of like the opening painting in the movie midsummer yeah if you pay attention to it you're not going

[25:08] to be surprised yeah a couple problems with this plan uh number one is the thing that stewart said

[25:13] which is that traditionally in a heist movie they lay out the plan in great detail and then the

[25:19] suspense comes when the small things start going wrong and they have to improvise that is a that

[25:24] is a very traditional heist uh uh you know model and again as stewart said it all goes down as he

[25:31] says but number two the plan seems to uh essentially just be we'll create a distraction everyone

[25:38] sneaks to the place where they need to be and does their thing and then heist over well there's

[25:44] certain things about the plot that plan that i mean and we should talk about how easy it is for

[25:49] them to get uh isabella a job as a flight attendant even though no none of the they don't know her

[25:54] None of the other flight attendants know her, and it's not even like she's taking the place of a sick flight attendant.

[25:58] She just boards like a passenger and just is wearing a flight attendant uniform.

[26:01] But also – but we should mention that a big part of the plot is Jack having to knock out the pilots and take control of the plane.

[26:09] I'm still not sure why they needed to do that.

[26:11] Yeah.

[26:12] I mean, well, I think it's –

[26:13] I think they're in international airspace.

[26:16] I think it's to take them back to where they can parachute out.

[26:20] That's the only thing I can think of.

[26:22] But it seems weird for the leader of the heist and a guy who's super tough, like a real brawler, for him to just sequester himself in the cockpit for most of the plot, not really being involved in the heist.

[26:34] Certainly, narratively, it makes no sense.

[26:36] By the way, I also want to go back to what you said about her coming on just as a passenger, although dressed as a flight attendant.

[26:44] There's the traditional thing at the door where they're like, I'm sorry, I'm afraid you're going to have to leave your weapons here.

[26:51] And she takes out two guns, and I'm like, so isn't it weird that the flight attendant was going to come on the money plane with two guns?

[27:00] Yeah, that onboarding area basically looks like the entrance to fucking True Dungeon, where they're putting all their weapons in a giant treasure chest.

[27:10] And there's that kind of thing where all the walls are made with just draped curtains.

[27:17] Yes.

[27:18] I think that's why, honestly, a lot of low-budget movies are set on planes,

[27:22] because you can do so much just by putting a curtain somewhere.

[27:25] And now Jack goes on, and what's Trey's nom de plume that he's going under

[27:34] to get onto this plane with him?

[27:35] Mr. McGillicuddy, of course.

[27:36] No first name given, just Mr. McGillicuddy.

[27:40] So fucking funny.

[27:43] That's the thing.

[27:45] If you are writing a serious action movie, you need to put in jokes like Mr. McGillicuddy.

[27:51] And everyone refers to him as Mr. McGillicuddy constantly.

[27:56] The deadest of deadpan looks.

[27:58] And he never seems to remember that that's his name.

[28:02] Yep.

[28:02] But it is.

[28:04] No, it's so fun.

[28:04] It's so fun.

[28:05] So before we get there, we got to say that, you know, Jack's got a little insurance policy on the ground.

[28:13] And I think that's one of the best insurance policies,

[28:15] certainly the one that I would invest my money in.

[28:18] That's right, Thomas Jane.

[28:19] Tom Jane shows up at his house.

[28:21] I guess they have some kind of a history together,

[28:24] former special forces or something.

[28:26] By the way, Tom Jane is sneaking into the house

[28:29] with his gun drawn.

[28:30] And the wrestler comes down with his gun drawn too.

[28:34] And our lead is like, shit, I almost shot you.

[28:37] And he's like, I almost shot you.

[28:39] I'm like, well, Tom Jane,

[28:40] you're the one coming into your friend's house

[28:42] in the middle of the night

[28:43] why do you have your gun drawn

[28:45] it is a scene designed

[28:46] to create suspense

[28:47] in the viewer

[28:48] but it is dumb suspense

[28:50] because you're like

[28:51] who's breaking into his house

[28:52] uh oh

[28:53] oh it's his old friend

[28:54] who was supposed to be there

[28:55] so why didn't you just

[28:57] go to the front door

[28:57] and be like

[28:58] hey I'm here

[28:58] his old friend

[28:59] who I assume

[29:00] was going to betray him

[29:02] because it's you know

[29:03] Thomas Jane

[29:04] he's an old friend

[29:05] of the lead

[29:06] but you know

[29:07] he's you know

[29:08] we find out he's true blue

[29:09] I also love the idea

[29:10] that Tom Jane would show up

[29:11] and he's like

[29:12] just keeping you honest just keeping your skills sharp uh so they sit down and tom jane smokes a

[29:18] pipe and he uh you know like you expect him to do and he basically just shows up so he can explain

[29:24] to uh our hero uh that our hero is cool and tough and has a long history and owes people money yada

[29:31] yada yada yeah it's literally a conversation of two people saying back and forth things that they

[29:36] already know about one another yeah yeah and that we already know yeah a lot of it yeah uh that's

[29:42] kind of what happens when i go over to see dan at dan's house uh you know it's been a while

[29:46] obviously due to due to social distancing but a lot of it's just sitting out on the porch and me

[29:50] just telling dan dan stuff it's cool i'm like i'm like to stewart i'm like as you know you own a bar

[29:55] so you're intimately familiar with like that's true taverns you're super observant that's how

[30:01] you were able to notice that um so uh we we you know we're aboard the money plane uh they get uh

[30:10] our our heroes are i think we should i think we should mention i'm sure this is kind of it's to

[30:14] take for granted jack is an amazing dad and father yeah his family loves him thomas jane is there to

[30:19] watch his family while he's heisting this money plane uh but jack also has a has a gambling problem

[30:25] right that he uh that's that was part of why he has a big debt is that he had a he had a gambling

[30:30] problem which obviously degenerate gamblers etc etc and and that makes robbing a casino a real

[30:37] issue for him in theory because in practice it doesn't seem it doesn't matter at all

[30:43] so they they get aboard the money plane uh they're walking around the money plane lounge

[30:48] you know it's nice because it's got a lava lamp uh there's a collection of real rogues on there

[30:57] You have some arms dealers

[30:59] You have, I don't know what this woman's job is

[31:02] But she mentions that she used to

[31:04] Chop off people's arms

[31:05] She is

[31:06] She is not white

[31:09] And she is mysterious

[31:11] And that's all we need to know

[31:13] Is that she's evil

[31:14] She's some kind of evil crime boss

[31:16] From either a distant land

[31:18] Or some part of America

[31:19] That Trump has not fixed yet

[31:21] It's a real

[31:22] I don't know

[31:26] It's the one super problematic thing, I feel like, in the movie, other than the disparaging of crocodile human love, which, hey, you know what?

[31:35] As long as no one's getting hurt, you will get hurt.

[31:37] A crocodile will eat you.

[31:38] But otherwise, as long as no one's getting hurt, if the crocodile's into it, go ahead.

[31:42] That's what I say.

[31:42] Now, I'd like to go into, you know, I've got some problems with the business of the money playing.

[31:50] Sure.

[31:50] I think that this is the time where it's best to get into it.

[31:55] Because the Money Plane, obviously, it offers two types of betting.

[32:02] It has your traditional casino games, only with, you know, less oversight.

[32:06] Like, I assume, you know, it's high stakes in a way that even beyond what a casino might allow.

[32:13] This is all explained by Joey Lawrence, who plays the role of the concierge, who has a strange kind of bowl cut.

[32:20] yeah and then there's a bunch of like hostile hostile to style like people getting like

[32:28] murdered or whatever that you can bet on that okay so here's the thing i like i feel like the

[32:36] movie needs to uh commit to one or the other because uh a high-stakes casino in the air to

[32:42] avoid like uh oversight that i can almost buy as a dumb action premise but but as you say

[32:52] elliot like if they're already like killing people on the ground i don't think they would

[32:58] bother with this whole plane business they would just get like a warehouse somewhere and have a

[33:02] casino where they bet on it especially like we see this big like money plane terminal when they're

[33:09] taking off and i'm like how is that funded like it doesn't i think that like it is a very openly

[33:15] well-branded secret high stakes air casino yeah their their ipads all have like a little bug that

[33:21] says money plane when they're watching the blood sports there's money plane branding in the

[33:26] background in the in the arenas too so there's all that like i really think that the only reason

[33:31] they added the blood sports to the movie is to justify our heroes going around murdering all of

[33:37] these people which you know like we've already seen them shooting at security guards so if we're

[33:42] gonna buy into these as like people we care about i think that ship has already sailed but i mean

[33:47] the only the only way it could be dumber and less sensical is if it was a prison on a plane that they

[33:54] had to break into holy shit which i think is there a movie where they do that elliot i don't know if

[34:00] There's a movie where they do that, but I was actually – there was one time I was pondering writing a parody screenplay.

[34:10] The idea was that it was a jail on a plane that never, like, landed.

[34:14] They just kept refueling it in the air.

[34:16] That sounds awesome.

[34:18] But, Dan, I think you're forgetting the main selling point of Money Plan, which is, yeah, you love to gamble.

[34:25] They also have fine food, fine dining and drinks.

[34:27] I think it's an open bar, which I know you're big on, Dan, because if you go to a wedding that's not an open bar, you hold on to that resentment for years until it warps kind of your soul around this when of just being mad at this non-open bar.

[34:40] Then I find myself betting on Bloodsports just to get an open bar.

[34:43] But it has Bloodsports.

[34:45] It's got regular gambling, which, yes, you can do anywhere.

[34:48] Don't forget there's also a grand suite you can take one of the very, you know, kind of low-energy prostitutes who are on board, too.

[34:57] Wow, nice critique, dude.

[35:00] I don't know why you need to give them a performance review.

[35:02] But this is what I'm going to do.

[35:04] And all – and I'm just saying half of the job is showmanship.

[35:07] But – and all of these super – and all of these super wealthy bad guys get to share that one suite.

[35:16] And I don't know what the turndown service is like

[35:18] I don't know how often they're changing the sheets

[35:20] But yes you too can

[35:22] Have sex on the sweat stains

[35:24] Left over from another criminal

[35:26] Having sex in that same room and I think that's one of the

[35:28] Real draws is the closeness you get

[35:30] When you're sharing a grand suite with all these other people

[35:32] That you can barely stand in the lobby

[35:34] What's nice is that

[35:36] Just hearing Elliot describe that

[35:38] Implies that Elliot sweats a lot

[35:41] While he makes love and I'm glad that I know that

[35:43] About my friend

[35:43] i mean if you don't you're not doing it right oh wow i mean what are you holding back because

[35:49] it's the matinee give your all give me the full performance come on yeah that's that's a good

[35:53] point ellen thank you yeah leave it all on the field you know what you're waiting for the super

[35:57] bowl yeah 110 percent oh nothing i was gonna say is better than that so let's move on okay so uh

[36:07] as i said joey lawrence comes out he explains all the rules uh an actor who i think was on an

[36:12] episode of the sopranos or something shows up and he's uh like he's like the rule master and he's

[36:18] like riddle me this fellows and he's got an ipad that has all the bets on it um that'd be great if

[36:24] there's a batman villain called the rule master who's obsessed with rules and he follows all of

[36:28] them never commits any crimes and so he's always like you'll never take me batman and i'm like i

[36:33] have no reason to what if he's batman's villain because he what he does is he keeps getting batman

[36:39] convicted of crimes

[36:40] because Batman

[36:41] isn't following the rules

[36:42] yeah

[36:42] yeah that's the

[36:43] he's the ultimate

[36:43] villain for Batman

[36:44] the rule master

[36:45] he's like

[36:46] mmm

[36:46] rule me this Batman

[36:48] you aren't licensed

[36:49] to beat up those

[36:50] those mental patients

[36:51] that escaped

[36:52] I'm bringing

[36:53] I'm bringing you

[36:54] under citizen's arrest

[36:55] and he's like

[36:56] Commissioner Gordon

[36:57] you can't let him

[36:57] citizen's arrest me

[36:58] and Commissioner Gordon's like

[36:59] eh well I've been letting you

[37:00] just citizen's arrest

[37:01] criminals for years

[37:02] so I think I just

[37:03] so I'm not a hypocrite

[37:04] I gotta go with it

[37:05] I think he's got us Batman

[37:05] it's been nice

[37:07] working with you

[37:07] I was talking

[37:08] to somebody recently uh whose child was very into batman and they had an issue with it and i could

[37:13] totally understand that since batman is essentially the comic book yeah well i had had a problem with

[37:19] it found had a problem with batman i was like yeah well i mean on its face batman is someone

[37:24] using violence to deal with serious mental health issues yeah i get it that's also a billionaire

[37:28] like that was my problem i i just for like cheap kicks i tried watching that six underground movie

[37:35] on netflix knowing that i was not gonna like it but like the premise of that is like ryan

[37:40] reynolds is a billionaire and he gets like like and because he's a billionaire he assembles this

[37:45] team to like uh meet out justice around the world and i'm like oh okay so you're a private citizen

[37:51] like toppling regimes yeah and you're the hero of our movie yeah anyway so anyway so we know

[37:58] so i think so i think we've established why the money plane is where you should take your next

[38:03] vacation in the pandemic so we get this action started we have uh we have a game of pretty

[38:07] traditional texas hold'em uh where we you know a bunch of people are playing cards jack sits down

[38:13] he talks a little shit with this uh evil guy who's an arms dealer uh and we find out that jack's cover

[38:21] is a dead human trafficker which is weird um and are you gonna mention matthew lawrence's role as

[38:28] the cowboy he does matthew i guess he shows up during the game right matthew lawrence shows up

[38:33] playing a like a texas cowboy guy of course texas hold'em of course he's there to play

[38:38] uh and he plays this let's say he plays this character fairly broadly yeah and he plays it

[38:44] with like a mustache he got from like a rickies uh-huh yep no costume budget too small um so they

[38:54] uh yeah they play this game at texas hold'em it kind of feels like this scene was shot and

[38:59] edited by somebody who has heard of texas hold'em uh but like and they they you know they shoot the

[39:08] whole thing with like a pulsing synth soundtrack and you're like i guess this is supposed to be

[39:12] exciting i don't quite know what's going on like they don't really indicate what's happening until

[39:16] one person wins after one round of poker jack has had too much he uh he transfers all his funds to

[39:23] his associate Mr. McGillicuddy who's actually Trey uh and then Trey is going to play for him

[39:29] uh Trey plays and of course wins a whole bunch of money uh and everybody's starting to think

[39:34] this Mr. McGillicuddy is more than what he seems although although they don't actually I mean they

[39:39] just think he's really lucky or something we'll get to that later he has an amazing run of luck

[39:44] throughout the movie and everyone just takes it at face value yeah from this point on Jack which

[39:49] which to be honest it is like he's not reading any of these games so like he is just incredibly

[39:54] he's wasting his luck on this stuff yeah yeah yeah he he should be a long shot um so jack and

[40:00] at this point jack and isabel both slip away and nobody really wonders where they go and they have

[40:06] no no one is watching them anymore they their distraction has worked they can now operate with

[40:12] impunity and what was the distraction i guess the distraction was uh he lost a game of poker

[40:20] i would have been very distracted but someone i didn't know lost a game of poker i think what

[40:27] they did was they had we all would they left their goofy friend mr with a funny name mr once again

[40:33] hilarious they leave mr mcgillicuddy there and everybody's so taken with him that they don't pay

[40:39] attention to his uh his beefier companion so uh isabella sneaks away she finds a secret stash and

[40:47] then a the one of the creepy arms dealer guys starts to stalk her and they talk shit uh trey

[40:54] under the guise of mr mcgillicuddy is forced into playing a game of russian roulette with matthew

[41:00] lawrence now here's something where they they really never explained to her what the game is

[41:06] he's about to what the game they never explain what the game is that he's about to play and i

[41:10] feel like that is uh not a casino not doing its job properly yeah if they're like hey you want to

[41:15] bet on a game yeah sure i love games okay everybody get ready you're ready to bet sure how much you're

[41:21] gonna bet this much i guess okay here it is it's russian roulette he's like can i leave no you

[41:27] can't do that the thing about russian roulette being the game is that feels like counter to

[41:32] everything that casinos

[41:34] are built on

[41:35] casinos are like

[41:38] we need to keep you betting it at the

[41:40] table as long as possible fuck you can

[41:42] smoke you can do whatever the fuck you want free booze

[41:44] here's the free booze just keep betting

[41:46] we need you to do that and I feel like the idea of

[41:48] like no just die

[41:50] seems wrong

[41:51] like you can't bet if you're a ghost

[41:54] or can you

[41:55] I wish listeners could see the way

[42:00] stewart put his fingers to his chin and looked off into the distance so some sort of ghost casino

[42:07] is what you're uh-huh right now yep that's what i was conjuring with my necromancy it's a better

[42:12] business model than a money plan but um harsh words uh we'll check the box office when i write

[42:19] my screenplay for ghost casino um okay so uh jack and isabella uh beat up the pilots jack

[42:26] fights one of the pilots for an extraordinarily long time and then he takes the stick uh but isn't

[42:32] yeah go on doesn't he like get like then there's the the co-pilot is that there or later no

[42:39] first pilot with a single punch the first pilot gets knocked out quick and then he has to fight

[42:44] the co-pilot for a little bit yeah and he's like and he does this thing where he's like oh yeah the

[42:48] co-pilot i'm like what kind of heist leader are you you didn't think that a plane had a co-pilot

[42:55] yeah and uh and uh joey lawrence says multiple times throughout we hire the best pilots in the

[43:00] world yeah plural i kept thinking that they were going to like set up that there's going to be some

[43:04] sort of emergency and he's going to have to suddenly do some fancy flying and joey lawrence

[43:08] will be like this isn't best piloting in the world but it never is an issue he not only says that but

[43:13] he also specifies that he used to be one of the pilots so you're like this has got to matter right

[43:19] he's like i hired them all because i am a pilot yeah it's like like all right like you would think

[43:24] he'd be like i can i can tell from the way the plane's moving we're leaving international air

[43:29] space i wonder if that's i wonder if that's just there so that people can ask the question hey when

[43:34] the good guys parachute out and leave no pilots flying the plane yeah is everyone on board gonna

[43:39] die that you just know joey lawrence can go in and take over or the idea that they're like i think

[43:44] it's important that you establish uh the the the corporate structure of the money plane and how one

[43:48] can advance within that corporate structure he's like in case anyone is wondering this is not the

[43:54] kind of company where you are pigeonholed i was a pilot one of the best in the world yes but i

[43:59] wanted more i needed the actual flying wasn't really interesting i wanted to get into management

[44:04] and money plane provided me with the opportunities management training a fast track and you know yes

[44:11] was it a little bit that i got along with the bosses i'm sure did i have some advantages in

[44:15] being let's face it brothers with a white man and also brothers with a script writer and director

[44:21] yes but in the end money plane gave me this is the this is a recruitment video for money plane

[44:26] i mean they show at colleges to get people to apply for jobs maybe even you too your your

[44:32] even your career can blossom oh nice uh i was just gonna say that's the uh that's the ironic

[44:41] ironic thing about money plane is they they kill all these people but it is a really you know sort

[44:46] of forward-thinking workers first environment you know like it's a good company yeah ethical

[44:52] company otherwise oh yeah i mean it's it's it's an employee-owned company we have to assume since

[44:57] we never see anybody else who's involved with it at all which makes it even stranger that they

[45:02] would just let a flight attendant on that they've never met before and so they just be part of the

[45:06] staff that day so after beating up the pilots and stuffing them in a toilet uh unless unless they

[45:12] think it's an undercover boss scenario and they're like we've never seen the mysterious owner

[45:16] jr money plane perhaps this flight attendant we've never met is is the boss in disguise as a

[45:21] flight attendant to see how we do everybody extra good today be on your toes that might be our boss

[45:26] that you're working with that could be what's what's going on i mean i can only assume they

[45:30] expected matthew lawrence's character to be the undercover boss because that's like an undercover

[45:34] boss level costume he's wearing his his uh his droopy fake uh mustache and his big cowboy hat

[45:40] Yeah, it's like Yosemite Sam cosplay.

[45:43] I think they probably knew it was not an undercover boss scenario when he killed himself.

[45:47] That's, well, I mean, a real undercover boss is going to take it to the next level.

[45:51] Yeah, we didn't get to the roulette, what happened, I guess.

[45:56] Oh, yeah, at the end of Russian Roulette, we didn't talk about it.

[46:00] There's a big argument about who's going to shoot first, and Mr. McGillicuddy is really hemming and hawing and stalling.

[46:05] Wow, and you're like, oh, man, shitter get off the pot, guy.

[46:08] Yeah, and that's basically what the cowboy says, and he says, fine, I'll do it, and with the first hit, takes his own life in this game.

[46:15] and honestly this was this was this was kind of a funny scene them just pushing the

[46:19] the gun back and forth and him finally getting impatient and blowing his brains out right away

[46:24] and and in so much as i liked uh any of money playing like sort of genuinely rather than

[46:31] ironically i kind of did appreciate the mcgillicuddy uh storyline which is just you know escalating

[46:38] horrifying blood sports that he keeps winning money on and he's super uncomfortable with that

[46:44] i would have loved if that was if they made more of an effort to like play that whole the humor

[46:49] angle of that but they did not no um so uh jack takes over control he sets up his little uh his

[46:57] little laptop uh and he's talking with his team over earpieces which is pretty funny because like

[47:03] they're all on a plane together and they're all like pretty clearly talking into an earpiece

[47:08] nobody seems to care um and then he gives his old pal the rumble a facetime call they talk some shit

[47:15] uh it's great you know uh there's a there's a thing where he's like we need code names we

[47:21] shouldn't call each other by our names and for some reason this guy who calls himself the rumble

[47:24] does not take the rumble as his code yeah you know if somebody googled the rumble they'd find

[47:30] him so he had to come up with a different name the colonel um okay so uh yeah trey gets pulled

[47:36] into betting into more of these blood sports there's like a man versus a cobra a guy chops

[47:41] off a guy's arm i don't quite know what the bet was there maybe how long he's going to take him

[47:45] to do it uh that was the that was the weird thing was it was almost like which one of them is going

[47:49] to crack first and chop off the other one's arm but it doesn't i couldn't tell and when he after

[47:54] he does it he looks at the camera like yeah i did it okay like it's it's very hard to tell what the

[48:00] event is i wonder if he is getting paid or offered money and they're seeing how much money it'll take

[48:08] him to crack and oh yeah his friend's arm i don't know possibly maybe yeah there's piranhas eating a

[48:14] guy all kinds of stuff and mcgillicuddy uh he just can't stop winning he wins everything and people

[48:19] are starting to get a little bit annoyed by this um specifically that arms dealer the arms dealer

[48:26] who already has an antagonistic relationship with our heroes.

[48:30] Okay, so Isabella gives...

[48:32] And the arms...

[48:33] Wait, I would like to mention, sorry,

[48:34] a special mention to the arms dealer's best friend,

[48:37] a guy who is, I guess, supposed to be like his muscle thug,

[48:40] but he looks like somebody's kind of deadbeat uncle from Miami

[48:46] who is just like coming up to visit for a family reunion,

[48:49] and everybody's like, okay, all right, okay, Gary's here.

[48:54] everybody just like let's be on our let's just hope gary doesn't make a big scene who do you

[48:58] bring with him okay yeah it's the lady from the rental car place okay he wanted to make it seem

[49:03] like he has relationship in his life so he just picked up the lady from the rental car place

[49:06] and brought her here uh okay uh is he staying somewhere he's staying in the car oh okay well

[49:12] that's all right well that's gary i mean that's making the most out of his time but this guy just

[49:17] looks like a total sleazy loser and he seems very eager for violence to break out like he seems like

[49:22] he's really aggressive but when he actually has to start fighting well it doesn't look like he's

[49:26] ever fought before in his life uh cool so uh it's almost like you kind of are waiting for the twist

[49:33] where it turns out that this arms dealer and his friend are also two guys who tricked their way

[49:37] onto the money plane and they thought it would be a cool bachelor party story but they're weighing

[49:41] over their heads you know yeah that'd be that'd be a great side uh and then it turns out all the

[49:46] other criminals were also people who got there under false pretenses and the concierge is like

[49:50] is anyone actually here for the money plane yeah are there any very tales from the most

[49:55] money plane guys i just figured out a way i think that this movie would work better

[50:00] and uh and um i think it's because they're so close to being there already like these

[50:06] these uh these heisters like come off as like a real group of like goofballs kind of unprepared

[50:14] goofballs and i think it'd be much like more fun to watch like a heist movie where it's like

[50:20] the underdogs do a heist like the underdogs have to do this money plane so it's like animal house

[50:27] meets money plane yeah but without all the all the gross stuff yeah yeah like or like the big

[50:33] green meets money plane like they're kids like they're the little giants little giants beats

[50:37] meets money plane sandlot meets money plane the sandlot meets money plane or yeah or like

[50:42] five will goes west meets money plane you know nobody expects these cartoon mice to be able to

[50:47] pull off a money plane i wouldn't count them out it's like finding nemo meets money plane like

[50:52] nemo's got to get into the fish tank on the plane but once there how's he gonna get out of the tank

[50:56] and steal all that cryptocurrency billion dollars in cryptocurrency you know so uh while she's

[51:02] wandering around looking for the mainframe isabella gets surprised by some kind of hired goon uh she

[51:08] uh gets some southern rock put on the playlist and then she beats up the goon and rips off his

[51:15] ears and tosses his body in the toilet again i mean like she tells uh like the the main guy to

[51:23] jam all the frequencies because she doesn't want like this guy to alert uh any of the other security

[51:30] and i guess that the way to jam the frequencies is to put the southern rock on well and also she's

[51:36] going to use it to take advantage for the most half-hearted i'm going to try to seduce the thug

[51:40] yeah moment before she decides you know what forget it and rips his ears off of his head

[51:44] rips him right off and then puts him in the toilet with the pilots so

[51:49] uh so we find out from tom jane who gives them a phone call and once again i gotta say the

[51:56] reception on the money plane is fucking incredible it's amazing every it is crystal clear the images

[52:02] are super clear

[52:03] they never have

[52:04] a drop moment

[52:04] there's no lag

[52:05] it's amazing

[52:06] it's so much better

[52:07] than the reception

[52:08] in my own house

[52:09] which is on the ground

[52:09] yeah well you're not

[52:10] a money plan

[52:11] I'm not

[52:11] I'm not in a money house

[52:13] or an air house

[52:14] my house is not

[52:15] an international air

[52:16] it is very much

[52:16] in Los Angeles County

[52:17] is your house

[52:18] a money pit

[52:19] if all houses are Dan

[52:20] they're all money pits

[52:20] mine literally

[52:21] because mine is a pit

[52:23] that I live in

[52:23] with all my money

[52:24] and I'm like a troll

[52:25] and it's just skulls

[52:26] and bones of people

[52:27] who tried to steal

[52:27] my riches from me

[52:28] and I

[52:29] or even just people

[52:30] who have walked by the pit

[52:31] and I'll just reach out

[52:31] and pull them in and then eat them because i'm a money pit troll oh that's cool do you do you ever

[52:36] like dig into the ground and pull out little uruk eyes and those uruk eyes are like oh man flesh and

[52:41] you're like not yet chill out dude it's not dinner time uh do i have children yes i am a dad and that

[52:47] is how i made them was i dug into the ground to make my my work children yeah sure uh cool so and

[52:53] i say ah meats on the menu and they're like what's a menu and i'm like no no it's okay it's the 21st

[52:58] century you know what a menu is i mean yeah you don't have to bring that up it's kind of well

[53:02] worn territory um so i wish i wish the lord of the rings they've gone uh looks like meats back

[53:09] at the drive-thru they'll be like wait so hold on yeah yeah this special edition makes it even

[53:14] weirder keeps doubling down on anachronisms looks like we'll be having meat at this benihana and

[53:20] they'll cook it table side so benihana exists in the lord of the rings universe okay i mean i'm

[53:26] glad for them i guess things are moving up in the circle of or thank uh cool so tom jane uh reveals

[53:33] to our hero that they were actually double crossed and they were double crossed by the rumble that

[53:38] was his painting all along and he just moved it and they're like well we don't want to get double

[53:43] crossed again uh yeah so i don't like that this painting wasn't a monet so it could also be a

[53:49] monet plane i think they that would have been great wow they left a lot of monet on the table

[53:55] it that way yeah and then they also would have billy idol on the plane performing moni moni

[54:01] yep yeah so the evil arms dealer and his goon use this moment to pounce trey is working on the uh

[54:10] they have found the the what the hard drive whatever they're downloading the cryptocurrency

[54:15] uh and the uh the arms dealer and his goon attack trey and isabella at this point um

[54:21] isabella manages to totally annihilate this goon who's never fought before did she stab him in the

[54:28] head with a bottle yeah it's like it's so simple it's like what whatever man and then she that's

[54:34] one of those things though that like you she should not be able to do that like the human

[54:37] skull is so much harder than than bottle glass like i don't know it must be hurricane force that

[54:43] she is shoving that bottle through the top of his skull uh that was her wrestling name was

[54:47] hurricane force uh that was she was on a wrestling team a tag team yeah i wish that she they had gone

[54:53] goofier with it and she had ripped his mustache off but they didn't go that far so then uh she

[54:59] finds ivan is the arms dealer and he has been beating up trey so she kicks him into a computer

[55:04] and he is immediately electrocuted to death now there are a lot of issues with this that i just

[55:09] want to mention one is that's not how computers work and also it'd probably break the computer

[55:13] but uh i really like it then to break him in this case yes and but i really enjoyed the moment

[55:19] because it gave me this moment being like wait hold on what yeah he like fell into a computer

[55:23] and it was electrocuted like a bad guy in a like a like a monster movie or something i mean i'm

[55:29] assuming his consciousness was immediately uploaded into the computer and now he's flying

[55:33] the money plane that's possible now according to wikipedia the character's last name is voltaic

[55:38] so maybe she has power over electricity and it's just something they didn't get to in the movie

[55:42] sense yeah that makes a lot of sense okay so uh meanwhile uh on the ground izzy the last member

[55:50] of the team has been kicking back just goofing off you know having a good time cracking some

[55:55] brews out in the desert just waiting for the money plane to get close enough so that he can

[56:00] download the cryptocurrency uh but before that can happen he gets double crossed by a kill team

[56:06] sent by the rumble i'm assuming uh and there's a little bit of a gunfight it looks like he's

[56:12] screwed and then plan b rolls around that's right tom jane is piloting a tiny little drone with a

[56:18] video game controller and the drone has a pistol taped to it and he just starts murdering these

[56:25] dudes with a pistol which i gotta say now that i've seen it in action i do not support drone

[56:31] warfare yeah because it's really boring yeah it's very boring i feel like killing izzy at this point

[56:38] is a bad double-cross move.

[56:40] Like, particularly if he's kind of

[56:42] in the midst of the thing.

[56:44] Like, you know, kill him after you know

[56:46] that all of it's been downloaded.

[56:47] These people who are going after Izzy,

[56:50] are they the Rumbles people

[56:51] or are they the Money Plains people?

[56:53] Because we later see a team

[56:55] that the Money Plains sends out

[56:56] and they seem to be the same people.

[56:58] I think that's a limitation of the budget.

[57:01] Okay, that's possible.

[57:02] Here's the thing I'm not getting

[57:05] from Kelsey Grammer's character.

[57:07] It feels to me like either, one, he is throwing obstacles into their paths to force them to become the best that they can be as kind of like almost a Mr. Miyagi-type mentor who is like, hey, I'm going to make this difficult for you so that you get to the next stage.

[57:21] Like a good teacher who challenges you, doesn't just accept your first efforts.

[57:25] Or I'm thinking maybe he's got an issue about success himself and doesn't want to be successful, and so he keeps throwing obstacles in his own path because he's afraid of success.

[57:36] Or maybe he just doesn't want to rob that money plane that badly.

[57:39] I know.

[57:39] I mean, I'm kind of like that.

[57:40] Like, sometimes in moments of extreme pressure, I have a tendency to self-sabotage, you know,

[57:45] where, like, I'll just get distracted by something that's completely not important,

[57:49] and I'll allow that to derail whatever I'm working on.

[57:52] And you know what?

[57:53] I feel like there's a little bit of the rumble in me, you know?

[57:55] Well, there's a little bit of rumble in all of us.

[57:58] That's what we learned in the very rumble Christmas.

[58:00] Especially, you know, after I have a big meal, I got a lot of rumble.

[58:06] Yeah. So after the Rumble's kill team is dispatched, the Rumble decides, time to clean up this mess.

[58:12] Dan, save it for your tweets. Save it for your Twitter feed, Dan.

[58:14] Oh, I'm sorry. I was summarizing the plot. Did Dan talk about having to take a shit or something?

[58:20] It was heavily implied. Heavily implied some sort of bowel movement or flatulence.

[58:26] It could just be a gas thing.

[58:28] No, I guess you're right. It could just be the toots.

[58:32] Do you think Kelsey Grammer named himself after the rumble pack, the thing you would

[58:35] plug into a Nintendo 64 controller so he would shake when Star Fox's ship got hit?

[58:41] Uh-huh.

[58:42] Yep.

[58:42] And what's the eagle's name?

[58:44] Who's the eagle that yells at him?

[58:46] I don't remember.

[58:46] Somebody's going to be mad at me on the internet.

[58:48] Probably like Eagle Beagle or something.

[58:50] I don't think that's it.

[58:51] I think I would remember it because it rhymes.

[58:54] Yeah.

[58:54] And then maybe it's like Commander Jones.

[58:56] Or Richard.

[58:58] Yeah, like Commander Feathers or like Skyway McGee or something.

[59:03] No, that seems too obvious.

[59:04] It's probably like Pablo.

[59:05] I guess.

[59:06] I don't know.

[59:07] Nintendo does have strange naming conventions.

[59:10] Hold on.

[59:11] Let me look it up.

[59:12] It's probably Captain Falcon.

[59:13] And also baseball players have weird names these days.

[59:17] Falcor.

[59:17] Computers Processing.

[59:18] Elijah Wood.

[59:20] That's the name of the eagle in Star Fox.

[59:22] Okay.

[59:22] Well, he can kind of do everything.

[59:26] uh thomas jane of course i use his full name now thomas jane uh it's so hard to it's hard to refer

[59:32] to him and not call him by his full name all the time yeah uh but or but you want to call him tom

[59:38] jane because like when you see him you're like oh yeah this guy could be my buddy yeah sure no i

[59:42] mean why not he he brings he brings something very special this movie so he is at home making a pasta

[59:47] dinner and i gotta say not since watching stanley tooch make a little pasta dinner at home have i

[59:52] been so hungry and thirsty he puts carrots in it for sweetness which i i don't care for that

[59:58] that's uh yeah that's like madame matheson um so no no it's not for sweetness dan that's for

[1:00:04] eyesight oh oh interesting yeah that's that's to help us and also because bugs bunny is coming over

[1:00:10] for dinner that night that's something they cut out of the film but originally it was like we have

[1:00:13] we have to finish this heist in time because bugs bunny is coming over for dinner and i do not want

[1:00:18] to miss this yeah that's that's true i mean having an animated character in your house alone that's

[1:00:23] crazy uh so let alone show up one of the most famous most talented animated characters you're

[1:00:29] right you're at all like even if it was beaky buzzard yeah it was barely in any cartoons or

[1:00:33] like cool cat the worst looney tunes character who's just a real piece of birdie might stop by

[1:00:38] even hubie and birdie i'd be like this is amazing we're like johnny bravo shows up and i'm like i

[1:00:43] I don't really have a nostalgia for you, but I'm still impressed because you're an animated character.

[1:00:48] You're a cartoon.

[1:00:49] Denver the Last Dinosaur shows up and is just like, meh, meh, meh.

[1:00:52] And you're like, look, you're a cartoon, so you're blowing my mind.

[1:00:55] The Biker Mice from Mars.

[1:00:56] I barely know anything about them.

[1:00:57] But they're cartoons.

[1:00:58] It's going to be weird to have them show up.

[1:01:00] No, you're right.

[1:01:01] Yeah.

[1:01:01] Change things.

[1:01:03] Let's say it's Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.

[1:01:05] A character that is so boring that Disney has never tried to bring him back in any form as far as I know.

[1:01:11] We all know that that was because of a trademark thing.

[1:01:15] You think Disney couldn't have bought the Oswald?

[1:01:17] You don't think there was a point where Disney was so rich he could have just bought that Oswald trademark that nobody was doing anything with?

[1:01:23] I'm reading a biography, and actually, through a lot of the old Disney studio, there was a lot of financial struggle.

[1:01:30] They were always kind of on the verge of bankruptcy, even though today we look at many of those early movies as masterpieces.

[1:01:36] Hi, I'm Dan McCoy.

[1:01:37] This has been my Disney History Corner.

[1:01:40] okay so uh yeah um next episode dan will tell us about the black cauldron

[1:01:46] but before before any animated characters show up to tom jane's house a bunch of goons show up

[1:01:53] and tom jane murders and again not very quickly not the comic book character the goon which again

[1:01:58] would be you'd just be like hey it's a comic book character shown at my house this is crazy

[1:02:01] so they are heroes have managed to steal all the money they're hanging out in the i guess cargo

[1:02:11] hold of the plane they decide they're gonna you guys might i got a little confused here but i

[1:02:15] think they decide they're going to give away all the cryptocurrency to charities and then they're

[1:02:20] just going to give away all the other money right they very quickly go i mean earlier this is

[1:02:27] foreshadowed by earlier in the movie uh jack is reading the story of robin hood to his daughter

[1:02:31] and tells her it's okay to steal if you're stealing from bad people oh is that is that

[1:02:35] that hardback guilt-edged copy of robin hood that he keeps in his daughter's bedroom yes exactly

[1:02:41] exactly it's only the best for his little girl and they but they're very quickly are like hey

[1:02:47] i feel weird about taking this money and they're like why don't we use this money and give it to

[1:02:51] charities for victims of human trafficking they keep hitting human trafficking throughout the

[1:02:56] movie and and one of the people goes one of the other people's helping the people that so many

[1:03:01] these people have hurt or something like that and it was like when did they suddenly get so

[1:03:05] incredibly sincere and corny and it's uh it's a strange moment and also like they

[1:03:10] they uh they name off all of these different charities for different things and then the

[1:03:18] guy's like yeah and he pushes one button and he's like okay did it and i'm like how

[1:03:23] I think he just stole the money and told his friends

[1:03:27] that he sent it to charity

[1:03:28] I sent it to my sister

[1:03:31] charity

[1:03:32] is it dead or alive where they're stealing

[1:03:34] where they're killing drug dealers and giving the money to charity

[1:03:37] dead or alive 2 where they're assassinating

[1:03:39] and that's the footage

[1:03:41] of them murdering people is intercut with

[1:03:43] footage of children in third world countries

[1:03:45] celebrating and then they're

[1:03:46] then they grow angel wings

[1:03:48] I'm not even sure that this final

[1:03:50] Robin Hood turn though gets me on these

[1:03:53] people's side uh especially considering i i don't think we mentioned that there was a scene earlier

[1:03:57] on where uh the assassin woman like smashes a bottle over someone and then stabs him several

[1:04:05] times in the stomach with the jagged edges and i'm like okay well i you know like any idea i had

[1:04:11] of these people being lovable in any way is gone now she's probably done this before she ripped a

[1:04:17] guy's ears off and again that guy he was just a security guard on the money plane just doing his

[1:04:22] job yeah there's no reason to take his ears off of his head uh i don't think they're gonna be

[1:04:27] able to put back on it's not like he's made out of legos yeah you know and she probably just tossed

[1:04:31] him down the toilet with the rest of the pilots and stuff which is gonna clog the toilet on the

[1:04:35] plane too you're not supposed to throw garbage into the toilet there's a sign on there that says

[1:04:39] no ears what if kyle mclaughlin like the plane got sold to like a normal normal company kyle

[1:04:48] McLaughlin's taking a trip

[1:04:50] the clock comes back up

[1:04:52] it's an ear and he's like not again

[1:04:54] not again I don't have the

[1:04:56] energy

[1:04:56] that's a reference we all love

[1:05:00] or

[1:05:01] Hugh Dancy from Hannibal would

[1:05:03] cough it up and he's like I can't throw this away

[1:05:06] I guess I'll put it in my pocket

[1:05:07] or what's his face from Reservoir Dogs

[1:05:10] who gets his ear cut off

[1:05:11] there's a rich history

[1:05:14] that's our tribute to

[1:05:15] we can go back to Van Gogh

[1:05:17] our tribute to the removal of ears in art okay join us won't you i'm glad the flop house takes

[1:05:25] a two-hour tour of the great moments of ear removal in a human culture yep here we go

[1:05:31] hi i'm ellie i should have said i can't believe i fucked yeah it should have been

[1:05:37] okay since ever since the noble earwig first crawled into someone's ear ears have been both

[1:05:45] a boon and a curse for humans we've expressed this in many different ways in many different forms

[1:05:51] sculpture painting film and also the actual removal and lacquering of ears to be placed

[1:05:59] onto wooden boards to be decorated used as decoration in i assume a serial killer's house

[1:06:04] now uh and i guess we'd intercut footage of famous ear moments in movies like uh like in

[1:06:11] Star Trek 2, Ravikant.

[1:06:12] Yeah.

[1:06:12] Yeah, yeah.

[1:06:14] And then join us next week

[1:06:15] when we talk about eyes.

[1:06:16] We'll talk about Unshin and DeLue

[1:06:18] and Event Horizon.

[1:06:19] After that, we'll talk about noses

[1:06:21] and we'll talk about Batman Returns.

[1:06:23] There'd probably be that scene

[1:06:24] from an episode of Double Dare

[1:06:26] where you have to, like,

[1:06:27] pull out a flag from a giant ear

[1:06:30] that's filled with something

[1:06:31] that looks like earwax.

[1:06:33] I think it's a big nose

[1:06:34] full of boogers,

[1:06:35] but maybe it's an ear.

[1:06:36] It's a good thing we've got

[1:06:37] Mark Summers on the line.

[1:06:38] Hey, Mark.

[1:06:39] We've got a question for you.

[1:06:41] on double day or was it an ear or a nose no no i can't patch the phone into the recording

[1:06:46] equipment so you're just going to tell me and i'll tell them you don't remember can you look

[1:06:50] it up oh you have someone you can call okay i'll hold he's calling he's he's got someone he's going

[1:06:56] to call to find out yeah let's keep him on there wait guys quiet please mark's back on the line

[1:07:02] yeah yeah mark oh they didn't know either well do you have any like tapes that you could you

[1:07:07] could review they're in your basement in a box but you're not sure which box okay put us back

[1:07:13] on hold see if see if you can find that box okay so guys he's looking in the basement now to see

[1:07:18] if he can find the box that the tapes are in so you can review that probably just you know like

[1:07:22] keep them on the line and move on no no no no mark's back i really want to get this settled

[1:07:25] mark yeah oh there was oh the basement's flooded there's a lot of water damage on the boxes

[1:07:30] oh and the tapes were ruined oh i'm so sorry to hear that oh and all your personal memories too

[1:07:35] oh your wedding tape oh i'm so sorry to hear that that's right well are you insured oh you didn't

[1:07:40] you well you'll have to see if it's if the water caused the damage then it might be insured but

[1:07:45] if it's caused if it was say some other thing that relates to the water might be uh-huh yeah

[1:07:49] you should handle that elliot tell them about kitty litter yeah have you tried using kitty

[1:07:55] litter to soak up the water yeah tell them that uh he is asking what kitty litter is you want me

[1:07:59] to tell them what kitty litter is yeah yeah i mean explain i mean it's what it's like saying

[1:08:03] the cats take shits in it's like sand that you put in like a box for a cat to to go to the bathroom

[1:08:08] he says that sounds disgusting yeah it does i mean yeah it's a weird thing for people to have

[1:08:12] oh i'm getting another call hold on yeah i lost the call with mark who's on me who's on the other

[1:08:18] line hold on jim oh hey jim yeah i was just talking to mark yeah yeah no no no i lost the

[1:08:25] call his basement got flooded i know terrible right that's funny i wish i could plug you into

[1:08:30] the recording device so that everyone at home could hear what you're saying which jim not since

[1:08:33] bob newhart has there been such a funny one-sided phone call this is this is uh this is jim gordon

[1:08:39] commissioner jim gordon from oh the rule master's on your on your case oh because you've been working

[1:08:45] with an unlicensed vigilante all this time yeah oh they took your badge well i gotta say jim i

[1:08:49] warned you this would happen yeah i mean how you're sending all these people to the asylum

[1:08:53] because you couldn't make the charges stick in jail because a man in a bat costume was arresting

[1:08:57] I got sympathy for him, but, you know.

[1:09:00] Okay, well, Dan's starting to get upset.

[1:09:02] Yeah, we're recording the podcast right now.

[1:09:03] Oh, Dan, Jim says hi.

[1:09:05] Hi.

[1:09:05] Dan says hi back.

[1:09:08] Oh, you've never met him.

[1:09:09] You're just a big fan.

[1:09:10] Oh, yeah.

[1:09:10] He says, okay, well, anyway, Jim and Stuart, he says he likes you, too.

[1:09:14] Oh, cool.

[1:09:14] Jim, I should finish.

[1:09:16] Oh, wait, I'm getting another call.

[1:09:17] Mark's back on the line.

[1:09:17] Did he say like or love?

[1:09:18] I already lost him.

[1:09:21] He had to go deal with something.

[1:09:21] Mark, yeah.

[1:09:22] I'll ask him next time.

[1:09:23] Mark, why don't you just tell me later, okay?

[1:09:27] Yeah, okay, sounds good.

[1:09:28] Okay, love you too, bye.

[1:09:29] Okay, I'm glad we got that squared away.

[1:09:32] So we got it settled, Mark's basement is flooded.

[1:09:34] Oh yeah, that's too bad.

[1:09:35] I hope he tries kitty bludders.

[1:09:36] So if you have any questions about Double Deer,

[1:09:38] do not go to Mark Summers,

[1:09:39] because he does not remember it very well.

[1:09:41] So Jack calls up Darius Grouch, the Rumble,

[1:09:46] and he reveals that, you know, fuck it,

[1:09:49] we're double-crossing you,

[1:09:50] we're throwing all the money away, you don't get it.

[1:09:53] And then they out Darius to the whole Money Plane team, revealing that Darius has been trying to screw over the Money Plane.

[1:10:02] And then they jump out of a plane door with all the money.

[1:10:06] And the people on the Money Plane start taking bets as to how long it's going to take Darius Grouch to die.

[1:10:13] It seems kind of like it seems kind of weird that they just hear a recording of somebody talking shit about the Money Plane.

[1:10:19] And they're like, I guess we got to kill him.

[1:10:21] But, you know, the Money Plane is pretty weird.

[1:10:23] Yeah, I mean, they're not the nicest people on that money plane.

[1:10:25] That's true.

[1:10:26] Dan, you're speaking truth right there.

[1:10:29] They are not the nicest people.

[1:10:31] So we have footage of some goons driving up.

[1:10:34] Tom Hanks is not on that plane.

[1:10:35] There's footage of some goons driving up and exiting a car.

[1:10:38] We're assuming they're going to the Rumble's house.

[1:10:40] There's no other visual cues.

[1:10:42] The Rumble shoots his only goon that's still around.

[1:10:45] He finds out that Jack has bugged his house.

[1:10:48] And then he picks up a machine gun and shoots it off screen.

[1:10:51] and that is a movie rap for Kelsey Grammer.

[1:10:55] Yeah, does he have a cigar while shooting the automatic rifle,

[1:11:00] or did I just put that in my head?

[1:11:02] That's a tough one.

[1:11:02] I don't remember, but it sounds correct.

[1:11:04] Now, his henchman is named something like P. Roach

[1:11:07] or something like that, right?

[1:11:08] Yeah, yep.

[1:11:09] He's like, P. Roach, come on, you can't go.

[1:11:12] But I guess he's named after the famous detective,

[1:11:15] Hercule P. Roach.

[1:11:16] But there's something very funny.

[1:11:18] Or the band Papa Roach.

[1:11:19] i'm can only assume it's short for papa roach uh but he just picks up a gun and starts firing it

[1:11:26] and i think you're supposed to assume that the that the the wet works team that's taking him

[1:11:30] out has entered the house but it could be funny if he's like i better spray some bullets in here

[1:11:34] and then the guys driving up will think i was shot already maybe they'll hear it and they just

[1:11:38] won't bother to come in the house they got scooped by a different team uh so uh we assume he's dead

[1:11:44] we don't know we get like what a couple months later chiron on the screen uh we find out they

[1:11:49] have stolen the painting they were trying to steal in the beginning and they sold it for a whole lot

[1:11:53] of money the end everybody's happy yippee wait did we mention stewart i can't remember did you

[1:11:59] mention that when he picks up the gun he says rumble time i didn't he says uh he says welcome

[1:12:04] to the original rumble pack and then he starts shooting his gun uh cool so that was uh money

[1:12:11] playing guys uh and yeah we get some hot hot rock music at the end we're all we're leaving this

[1:12:17] movie pumped you know we walk out of the movie theater the sun hits our eyes blinding us briefly

[1:12:22] but you know what we're just so happy we're on a fucking adrenaline rush we get in our cars we pop

[1:12:28] in some tunes into the tape deck like where's the real money plane because it seems to me like the

[1:12:32] real money plane was the frenzy made along the way it's true yeah yeah and we're at 125 on this

[1:12:37] recording now we messed around for maybe 10 or 15 minutes at the beginning so we're even shorter but

[1:12:42] like this is the first time we are at approximately the length of the movie we watched which was like

[1:12:47] around 80 minutes or something so i don't think we fucked around at all i feel like we were pretty

[1:12:52] much strict to the plot on this one but uh you know yeah i mean i mean there was i mean maybe

[1:12:57] i spent like 10 seconds calling up mark summers to find out uh but i think everyone would agree

[1:13:02] that that was time well spent and the advice i usually get from uh professional podcasters is

[1:13:06] if you want to increase your listenership just make your episodes super fucking long no no no

[1:13:10] make them super long if anything i was complimenting us on not doing uh something that is

[1:13:17] longer than the actual movie i mean the episode's not done dan that's true uh so uh in the interest

[1:13:25] of that let's do final judgments whether this is a good bad movie a bad bad movie or a movie

[1:13:31] you kind of liked i will make an admission guys i've actually seen at this point money plane

[1:13:37] two times yeah that is because uh uh during this pandemic you know a lot of people are having

[1:13:43] watch-alongs i self-isolated watch-alongs where they chat over the internet while watching a movie

[1:13:48] together uh a bad movie a group of folks that i'm pals with did money plane and uh that's the movie

[1:13:58] we just watched though right the movie okay so i i when i watched it the first time i could barely

[1:14:04] follow what was going on because i was chatting and making jokes and having a drink and what

[1:14:08] whatnot while it was not the conducive uh atmosphere to actually following the plot

[1:14:13] and then this second time i actually paid attention to everything that was going on

[1:14:17] and the second time i thought the movie was just kind of dumb in ways that annoyed me

[1:14:24] but the first time i had a great time and that's really the way you should watch a bad movie is

[1:14:29] with friends so i'm gonna say that's probably a good movie to watch with friends a funny movie

[1:14:34] like and some bad movies you know you think they're funny because they're so totally off

[1:14:40] in like understanding what a movie is sometimes the great thing about it is like every decision

[1:14:47] is made wrong you're like who thought about this and like pondering the decisions is what's fun

[1:14:52] about it and then sometimes there's movies like money plane which i think like has a dumb enough

[1:14:57] high concept premise that it could have been a hollywood blockbuster if they threw like

[1:15:05] you know tens of millions more dollars at it and had a 75 smarter script or add kelsey grammar for

[1:15:12] a second day yeah so what's kind of funny about a movie like money plane is seeing how close it

[1:15:19] is to something that could be actual entertainment yeah but how they fuck it up so uh i i say good

[1:15:26] bad i guess is what i'm saying well it sounds like you're recommending the movie as a as a

[1:15:30] good bad watch but even more than you're recommending friendship yeah yeah i'm gonna

[1:15:35] i'll back you up i think that's a good bad movie um i think it i i also have watched it twice uh

[1:15:41] oh wow yeah well because i started i watched it i thought we were recording a week earlier so i

[1:15:46] watched it last week and then i'm like i better i better review this my brain doesn't work very

[1:15:51] well and my notes are terrible but um uh yeah it's uh it's it's a dumb dumb movie uh yeah i feel i

[1:16:01] would also call it a good bad i feel like the one thing we didn't really get across in our

[1:16:04] discussion is how cheap the whole movie looks very how flimsy and there's a lot of fun to be had

[1:16:10] enjoying that it's like the first few minutes in i was like oh right i haven't seen a movie that

[1:16:16] looks this cheap in a long time yeah and yet still has some kind of professional gloss to it

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[1:16:26] i've only seen money playing once yeah yeah you're a newbie that's what we call you yeah yeah

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[1:21:56] Do I have time to call Mark Summers and ask?

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[1:26:02] hey guys do you remember when we did a live over zoom show where we talked about howard t duck

[1:26:07] i remember it i remember that happening stew do you remember that or have you erased it from your

[1:26:12] mind eternal sunshine style it's i mean yeah i did that what is he using that like a laser beam

[1:26:17] what how does that work yeah he puts his head into the laser that they use to scan your groceries

[1:26:22] and it just takes out that part of his brain okay that's cool like total recall style right

[1:26:27] yeah exactly that's laid in total recall too he was just at the grocery store and they erased

[1:26:31] his memory there's a lot of things in common between eternal sunshine of the spotless mind

[1:26:35] and total recall like michael ironside is great in both of them there's mars go to mars yeah so

[1:26:43] guys i wanted to promote we're gonna do another live show that's right another live over zoom show

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[1:27:25] interest towards and dan what movie are we going to be doing should we announce it we will be uh

[1:27:31] talking about the exorcist 2 colon the heretic whatever that means i mean i know what the word

[1:27:39] heretic means but i don't know in the terms of exorcist 2 what it means this is a movie none of

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[1:27:57] All I know about Exorcist 2 is that book, The Golden Turkey Awards, that the Medved brothers wrote before they became crazy conservatives, or at least one of them.

[1:28:06] I don't know what happened to the other guy.

[1:28:08] But is that Exorcist 2 was listed as the second worst movie of all time in that book after Plan 9 from Outer Space,

[1:28:16] which was which was that book was kind of what uh catapulted that film to cult success at the

[1:28:22] beginning of the uh the real like bad movie craze the ironic bad movie craze maybe this live show

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[1:28:36] to promote one more thing this is just for me guys hey i've got a new kids book coming out it

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[1:29:11] i know i do get ready for sharko and hippo what what a sales pitch um cool so what do we do next

[1:29:20] on this podcast dan next we take letters from listeners and uh we don't just take them we read

[1:29:27] them oh on the air cool okay i guess if if you want to this one is from jackie last name withheld

[1:29:34] collins jackie brown and jackie writes hi peaches i recently watched the emotional and nostalgic

[1:29:39] a beautiful day in the neighborhood it's about a jaded writer assigned to a profile of the beloved

[1:29:45] tv host mr rogers played by the equally beloved tom hanks the plot's movie is framed using a

[1:29:53] metaphoric episode of the show where mr rogers explores the writer's own emotional issues of

[1:29:59] a traumatic childhood from his absentee father and the pressures of his own new parented it

[1:30:04] didn't really work for me it came off more weird than rewarding but that said i don't blame them

[1:30:10] for trying such a narrative device i think a full-on biopic of fred rogers would have been

[1:30:15] cloying and if you're gonna do a broken person reluctantly befriends a wonderful weirdo who fixes

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[1:30:26] plot along what's an example of a plot device that doesn't really work in film tv book or whatever

[1:30:34] for you guys but you respect it for trying uh i was gonna say uh in the in in the movie doom

[1:30:44] i know i don't want to i'm gonna ruffle some feathers here in the movie doom uh they throw

[1:30:49] in a bit near the end of like a first person shooter moment you know you gotta do it you

[1:30:54] gotta try uh and it you know it didn't quite it didn't quite work for me partly because

[1:30:59] that that type of shit always makes me motion sick but i know it's an attempt to like capture

[1:31:03] the feel of a video game but unless you're edgar wright you're not going to be able to capture that

[1:31:08] feeling of a video game using a movie so uh but you know whatever give it a go and yeah i'm i'm

[1:31:16] looking at you hardcore harry or whatever that movie is that i couldn't watch because i knew

[1:31:20] it would make me barf i'll i'll mention one where i had sort of a mixed reaction to it which is i

[1:31:27] watched uh doctor sleep a few nights ago and uh directed by mike flanagan who is beloved uh for

[1:31:34] many a horror movie and uh which ones he did hush he did gerald's game like i i think there's other

[1:31:43] stuff he did the good one of the ouija movies i think maybe um but uh so he did the sequel to

[1:31:51] the shining and um you know the shining is an interesting case because uh obviously stephen

[1:31:57] king hated the kubrick movie and to the degree that he actually liked the stephen weber version

[1:32:03] of the shiny uh and uh and part of the reason he didn't like it was it was this you know adaptation

[1:32:11] of a very personal story to him about alcoholism at a time that he himself was an alcoholic

[1:32:17] and so i think dr sleep the novel was kind of like part of his impetus i think in telling that

[1:32:26] story was like telling a continuation telling a story about someone who recovered from

[1:32:31] alcoholism this is all sort of background to say that like dr sleep feels very much like a stephen

[1:32:38] king movie the the version that with ewan mcgregor that mike flanagan directed uh defiantly like a

[1:32:45] steven king movie almost uh whereas like the shining feels very kubrick but dr sleep also

[1:32:52] uses imagery directly from the movie the shining like sometimes actual shots from the old movie

[1:33:00] that have been cleaned up sometimes it's like just the same iconography and i have mixed feelings on

[1:33:09] that because it does feel like this should be its own thing that that that stands on its own but

[1:33:15] at the same time those images are so indelible and the story is linked to the shining i feel

[1:33:22] like it's kind of hard to make that movie without some of those references like that is like iconic

[1:33:29] so it that's a time where like i think they tried a very bold formal thing and i not quite sure how

[1:33:37] i feel about it yeah i mean i feel like audiences are kind of with you because most folks that i

[1:33:42] talk to are pretty like they either love it and that's when they that's the parts of the movie

[1:33:47] they like and for other people that's what uh what what lost them in the movie yeah uh mine is also

[1:33:54] gonna be may ruffle some feathers i was just gonna mention there's a little movie from a few years

[1:33:58] ago called cloud atlas where uh like in the book it's based on it's a lot of it's a telling a

[1:34:04] number of linked stories and they were kind of intersecting these different stories in different

[1:34:09] spaces and times they had the same little group of actors playing different parts in each and

[1:34:14] it's something that yeah i like the concept of but it just doesn't quite work it leads to some uh

[1:34:21] some casting that i think would not fly uh in the current climate but also it means that like

[1:34:26] you have to have like caveman tom hanks of the future uh and and and a few other things like

[1:34:33] that we were like this doesn't really this i don't see how these stories are really related

[1:34:38] and also i don't know why these characters are connected like i don't know why this actor is

[1:34:43] playing these three characters other than that they are roughly the same age as that actor yeah

[1:34:48] and so i wish that there was it's i really admire the the concept of we're going to tell a bunch of

[1:34:53] linked stories with the same group of actors playing different characters but it just doesn't

[1:34:56] it doesn't quite work so i'm going to give them a b minus for effort yeah i mean it's a i mean it's

[1:35:02] a big swing it's a real big swing i largely liked that movie but yeah i mean you know again setting

[1:35:10] aside the uh racial problematics of having some of this happen also the stories rhyme with one

[1:35:19] another in different ways but it's not like the characters that these people are playing

[1:35:24] are like the same character in any sort of significant way so it is weird it's like

[1:35:30] something that could easily not happen and still have those sort of like stories retold through

[1:35:36] time feeling there's also in watching the movie there's no there's no story in it where i'm like

[1:35:40] oh if this story was not here the movie would be less off for it you know i i it's just like it

[1:35:47] it felt feels to me like a a really great concept in search of the content to fill out that concept

[1:35:53] but i know that movie's got it's got its champions and that is totally okay and also and not to end

[1:36:01] spoiler alert my recommendation for this week also has some things that i respect for trying

[1:36:06] but don't quite work so we'll get to that oh wow man why do you gotta give me such a tantalizing

[1:36:12] tease for my taste buds it's just a tantalizing taste bud tease okay well uh just one more letter

[1:36:18] and i'm just gonna dive right in dear peaches i've been a listener for a few years now and i've

[1:36:27] always loved you guys elliot with your brains and songs you are always getting me on an intellectual

[1:36:33] level stewart with your original party dude attitude combined with your unabashed nerdiness

[1:36:40] you're the people's champion and dan my fine depressed fellow you've always been the guy

[1:36:46] have connected with the most listening to your trials and tribulations over the years helped me

[1:36:50] get through some terrible times so i've always taken your recommendations very seriously thank

[1:36:56] you for stop making sense a movie i'm pretty sure you made somehow well if only so when i heard on

[1:37:02] the show that you take cannabis something you referenced a few times but notice notably on the

[1:37:06] cats episode i figured i'd get over my previous stance and give the devil's lettuce a serious try

[1:37:12] and unlike all the scary stories i was told in dare i actually felt comfortable when i was high

[1:37:19] it has greatly improved my attitude in day-to-day life helped me relax when my anxiety is out of

[1:37:24] control and most importantly helped me realize that i am and always have been a woman well not

[1:37:31] always i used to be a little girl but i was never a boy and realizing that now has changed my entire

[1:37:37] outlook on life and in the weirdest roundabout way your show helped me realize that thank you

[1:37:43] for everything you've done i'm so happy now love ramona formerly dead name withheld i just thought

[1:37:49] that was a real sweet letter no it's a nice letter thank you for saying for reading it's a very you

[1:37:55] know it just makes makes us feel good and you know i like that i was able to you know get somebody

[1:38:01] help someone through drugs you know like remotely just like you know just say drugs are cool by me

[1:38:09] just say yeah i mean if i was if i was running say a small you know farm to table uh drug

[1:38:18] selling outfit i don't know if you would be my first choice as a salesperson

[1:38:24] uh i don't feel like sales is necessarily your best attribute i feel like you're more of a you

[1:38:29] know a logistics type person sure uh but it's nice to hear that i was i was wrong in this case

[1:38:36] yeah uh anyway thank you so much ramona i i just really appreciated getting that and i wanted to

[1:38:43] share with everyone um i like i like that that is it is genuinely heartwarming while at the same

[1:38:50] time uh being like uh the exact opposite of what a like every uh every after school special

[1:38:57] i ever saw wonderful uh hey let's uh do recommendations the part of the show where

[1:39:07] we say why not go watch this movie instead of that one although with money plane you know

[1:39:13] you could probably find time for both if that's the kind of thing you like it's like 80 minutes

[1:39:18] long man it's like a clock you only have one movie what do you choose what do you choose

[1:39:22] money plane or something yeah uh i wanted to recommend i mean recommend is a hard one with

[1:39:30] this one but i watched uh we need to talk about kevin which is a very uh yeah it's great punishing

[1:39:35] movie but very good uh i really like lynn ramsey i liked more of her in color a lot i liked you

[1:39:42] were never really here a lot yeah laugh factories laugh factories all of them i mean this one is

[1:39:49] about um i will tell you what it's about and then you can decide whether you think you have the

[1:39:54] fortitude for it is about a child who um you know uh kills a bunch of his fellow students

[1:40:01] and uh it is focused on his mother played by tilda swinton who is um shown both sort of in the days

[1:40:11] and years leading up to uh these murders and the time afterwards and showing how she's a pariah

[1:40:19] afterwards blamed by almost everyone who uh you know lives in this community and how beforehand

[1:40:28] she was not happy in her life uh this child kevin was a very difficult child in many ways

[1:40:35] and even from the start she had ambivalent feelings about motherhood and it's just an

[1:40:39] interesting dive into her psyche because you know she obviously like this guy did horrible things

[1:40:48] but she blames herself wonders whether she should blame herself it it is done in this like fractured

[1:40:57] style this and kevin kevin is presented at least for me almost cartoonishly villainous yes and so

[1:41:04] i think part of that too is like that puts you inside her mind like is this real is this just

[1:41:12] the way she sees this child who is uh cruel to her like like where does the cruelty come from

[1:41:19] is did was it was he born with it was it because he could sense somehow that he was unloved you

[1:41:25] know it's it's a movie that asks a lot of very like depressing and interesting questions and

[1:41:31] puts you in the mind of her she kind of dissolves under the weight of them on the other hand it's a

[1:41:37] movie that postulates the concept that tilda swinton and john c reilly would be a couple and

[1:41:42] i love it so much guys yeah anyway i i thought it was a great movie and um also like weirdly moving

[1:41:50] at the ending so uh that's mine uh we need to talk about kevin yeah uh i'm gonna recommend a movie

[1:41:59] that uh that came out a little bit ago on netflix i don't think we recommended it yet

[1:42:03] uh i'm going to recommend spike lee's new movie defy bloods um it's a part hangout movie part

[1:42:11] war movie uh part a con you know comment on uh you know the current uh well not the current

[1:42:18] conversation about race um it's a movie uh that talks a lot about the american war in vietnam

[1:42:24] And I think I mean, I am in no position to to really comment on how accurate it is, but it feels like it's attempting to say something or say something in a different way about about that war.

[1:42:40] And the you know, it's got probably some of the best performances from a group of great actors.

[1:42:49] delroy lindo in particular is incredible um and uh it's great uh and and with the uh passing of

[1:42:58] chadwick boseman uh it makes his performance uh almost like right now it's gut-wrenching just

[1:43:05] thinking about it um so yeah uh it's it's a little long but i think it's worth the trip

[1:43:12] defy bloods uh as mentioned in the our answers letter cues i'm going to recommend a movie that

[1:43:18] i feel like try some things that don't really work but there are a number of things that do work

[1:43:22] in it uh and that movie is motherless brooklyn uh the adaptation that edward norton worked on

[1:43:29] for years and years of the book motherless brooklyn that finally came out last year where

[1:43:34] it functions less as an adaptation of the book and more as a elseworlds story uh for anyone

[1:43:41] familiar with those where the main character from the book has been removed from the original

[1:43:45] setting and put in the 1950s uh and the ambition in it is edward norton is basically trying to

[1:43:52] use the loosely fictionalized version of the story of robert moses to do like what chinatown

[1:43:58] did for la for new york and he does not succeed in that it is not the chinatown that new york

[1:44:04] deserves and there are two main issues that i have with it one is that uh the main character

[1:44:09] is a person who's dealing with serious um like what's the what's the way to put it uh essentially

[1:44:16] a form of um isn't it Tourette's yeah Tourette's yeah I couldn't remember the name of it he's

[1:44:21] dealing with Tourette's and it's something that never really causes him any problems he just kind

[1:44:25] of he he shouts things and can't control himself but nobody it never really gets in it never really

[1:44:32] seems to be a complication in his life just like a colorful character trait yes exactly which feels

[1:44:37] like it is both it is trying to empower a character with threats but it seems feels like it

[1:44:41] diminishes and trivializes the problem but uh the and at the same time it is a movie that is trying

[1:44:46] to say something about racism in american infrastructure planning and especially new

[1:44:50] york infrastructure planning in the middle of the 20th century but the characters are so comfortable

[1:44:55] with characters of other races and there's none of the awkwardness that comes between people of

[1:44:59] different races interacting that you're like oh this is a movie about racism by someone who doesn't

[1:45:04] really seem to like get the experience of racism that being said it is a really well-made movie a

[1:45:09] lot of way and there's a lot of great sequences in it the score is in it in it is fantastic

[1:45:12] and if you remove the movie from its ambitions it is a really well-made kind of uh well put together

[1:45:21] kind of mystery uh period movie and i actually enjoyed watching it a lot and it was just like

[1:45:27] you can always feel the gap between what it is attempting and what it is pulling off but it's

[1:45:33] kind of worth watching if just for the score and the costume design and the production design of

[1:45:37] it looks great does it and charlene has mentioned interest in seeing it but i was i kind of held

[1:45:42] off because it seemed like it was going to be a big mess uh so you're saying i would say you're

[1:45:47] saying it's not a big mess i think i think it's the thing is actually it would be a more exciting

[1:45:52] movie in some ways if it was more of a mess yeah it is a really like competently well-made movie

[1:45:57] that has a lot of good stuff to it and it fits into this it it feels like it wants to be a

[1:46:01] throwback to movies of the 50s

[1:46:03] or 70s but it actually is a throwback

[1:46:05] to movies of like the late 80s where it was

[1:46:07] like you could go to the movie theater and see

[1:46:09] like a three star suspense thriller

[1:46:11] and be like oh yeah that was really good

[1:46:13] there were a lot of good people in that

[1:46:14] I mean like that's actually the most effective

[1:46:17] thing you said because I want to

[1:46:19] return to a time where I could go to the movie theater

[1:46:21] and just see like a three star suspense thriller

[1:46:23] I just feel like that's a past era

[1:46:25] and I like it

[1:46:26] I guess I'll watch The Devil's Own it's got

[1:46:29] Harrison Ford in it

[1:46:30] I mean, I think it's better than The Devil's Own, but when you would have a lot of people who are really good at their jobs making a movie that is not a huge movie, you know, that's what it feels like.

[1:46:40] And it doesn't feel like an independent movie.

[1:46:42] It feels like a studio movie.

[1:46:43] But, you know, yeah, for the days when it was – it feels like a movie made in, like, 1992, you know, like 1988.

[1:46:49] So Motherless Brooklyn, it's not going to change your life, but it's better than you would think.

[1:46:55] well okay guys uh let's close up the flop house for this episode i gotta go uh cook some dinner

[1:47:04] uh-huh i'm doing do we have a second i want to talk a little bit more uh you guys had mentioned

[1:47:09] a lot of interest you want to talk more about uh the relationship between the astro militarum and

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[1:47:26] guys keep wanting me to just let me i mean let me sign off before you facetime me again

[1:47:32] okay i promise i will you know i'll i'll pick up again i just you know i like to have different

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[1:47:41] but yeah okay i'll do that i think he's having trouble with that basement situation i would

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