Ep. #322 - Money Plane

Elliott Kalan

[0:00] On this episode we discuss money plane when you absolutely positively only have kelsey grammar for one day of shooting

[0:30] Hey everyone welcome to the flop house i'm dan mccoy oh hey there i'm stewart wellington elliot kalens here and our special guest this week is nobody

[0:45] mr nobody from the doom patrol tv show exactly all wrapped up in bandages and all that stuff uh yeah

Stuart Wellington

[0:53] you won't be talking yeah in the tv show he looks more like uh kind of like a weird like tron thing it's

[0:59] pretty awesome and it's got part of alan tudyk's face so thumbs up oh so which character am i thinking

[1:05] of uh i think you're thinking of oh man what's that guy's name that looks like an invisible man type

[1:10] yeah i don't remember i haven't seen the show i've only started watching the show i only haven't seen

Elliott Kalan

[1:15] the show and it's been a long time since i read the comic books but they cast matt boomer as that

Stuart Wellington

[1:21] guy and you're like when you got a face like that you're wasting it under all that bandages but

Elliott Kalan

[1:26] whatever you know that's true i'm i'm thinking of negative man that's what i'm thinking of okay

Dan McCoy

[1:31] yeah hey uh so on on on this podcast we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it yep and uh we are

[1:40] entering the holiday section of our uh flop house calendar year where we have a bunch of semi-arbitrary uh

[1:49] you know theme months and days and such and uh this is small timber small vember as it's actually called

[1:57] where we watch smaller movies and this year we're going to watch a couple that aren't like super

[2:02] small the way we sometimes do but they are definitely sort of dumped to uh video style movies

Elliott Kalan

[2:09] this this is small vember battle of the stars that's right we're going to be watching small

[2:15] them were movies that happen to land a well-known name or names in them so that we're not going to

[2:19] have any loves on a leash this time yeah uh these movies all have background music and at least a few

[2:26] recognizable faces and this this movie has a ton of recognizable faces even if thomas jane's face

[2:31] for some reason is not i could not recognize it i love it well i couldn't recognize joey lawrence

Dan McCoy

[2:37] i'll tell you that he's changed a lot because he's a chameleon i mean the last time he saw him was on

Stuart Wellington

[2:41] when you realize it was joey lawrence i think you said whoa you asked yourself how did they get joey

Elliott Kalan

[2:49] lawrence and the immediate answer is because his brother directed the movie and that's why there's

[2:53] another lawrence brother also in it but it's an all-star cast for a small vember movie uh it's one of

[2:59] those things where uh you know you gotta build you gotta build a movie around a wrestler so how are you

[3:04] gonna do it well you're gonna have to make him the greatest con artist heist artist in the history of

Dan McCoy

[3:10] the world you're gonna have to make him sit down for most of the movie now now guys did you did you

Stuart Wellington

[3:17] have to look it up to realize that uh the lead was a former wrestler or could you tell from his

Dan McCoy

[3:23] muscles and ponytail combo i did not know he was a former wrestler i did look him up uh after seeing the

[3:31] uh money plane trailer which of course made the rounds on the internet everyone was delighted by

[3:36] that that was the meme of the day for a while but uh but yeah i didn't i was like this looks like a guy

Stuart Wellington

[3:42] who should be someone but i have no idea yeah i think he wrestled under the nom de wrestle of edge

[3:48] which i'm guessing is some kind of guitar playing fellow here he's listed here he's listed under what i

Elliott Kalan

[3:54] assume is his birth name of adam copeland but yeah once i knew he was edge i was like oh okay i'm

[3:59] semi-familiar with him but uh it was but what i did not recognize his regular name or his face but i

[4:05] did recognize his physique and his long hair that he was either a wrestler or when the movie was over

[4:10] he just got on a motorcycle and traveled the country writing wrongs and bringing justice to

[4:15] those who had escaped through the loopholes of the legal system like a knuckles type figure

[4:19] yeah like knuckles from the sonic games exactly yeah is that's what is that what knuckles do does

[4:26] he rides a motorcycle across the country bringing justice i mean in all the drawings i make yes

[4:30] he just rides the country writing wrongs and impregnating sonics

Dan McCoy

[4:36] in these drawings is there anything about knuckles being pregnant or maybe like knuckles isn't pregnant he's

Stuart Wellington

[4:45] more like a johnny appleseed type figure so he's always leaving little knuckles but you know half

Dan McCoy

[4:50] knuckles impregnating others that's why i've seen so many pregnant garfields on the internet as well

Elliott Kalan

[4:55] no that came around yeah uh yeah that's that's that is what john arvuckle would want you to believe

[5:01] that that's knuckles doing oh shit oh wow let's not go further down this road

[5:05] look i'm just saying wait for the book guys the book's coming out uh so this movie dan you mentioned

[5:14] that the trailer was going around uh we watched the trailer for money plane and i feel like not

[5:18] since the trailer for fateful findings first hit my eyeballs was i like yeah this is a movie i'm gonna

[5:24] have to see on the flop house uh i'm gonna have to watch that thing and but and it was perfect for

[5:29] small vember but you know what i'm not gonna be piloting this plane as much as i would like to

[5:34] nope listeners we're gonna be in the very capable hands of captain wellington yep i bonked elliot on

Stuart Wellington

[5:40] the head and stuffed him in the airplane toilet uh so i can fly this plane just like the baggage

Elliott Kalan

[5:47] area and then you told and then you told the flight attendant don't go in there my friend's feeling

Stuart Wellington

[5:52] flushed yeah uh and they're like that's a that's a stretch uh okay so um of course the movie opens as

[6:03] you would imagine it opens over narration we hear a fraserian voice echoing in the distance

[6:08] it tells of a legendary money plane where any bets are possible if you wanted to bet

[6:14] on a man fucking an alligator you can now here's here hold on a second here's something i wanted to

Elliott Kalan

[6:21] uh uh just ask a question is so let's say you're laying a bet on a man fucking an alligator what is

Dan McCoy

[6:26] the bet like what is the bet on that because if the bet is will that man fuck the alligator like

[6:33] you're not going to get much of a payoff if you bet on the man not fucking the alligator because i

[6:38] assume that the odds are you know like huge in favor of the man not fucking the alligator so because

Elliott Kalan

[6:45] the alligator will probably eat him yeah i mean like yeah are the odds that they're gonna he's gonna

[6:49] impregnate the alligator in which case that's also a sucker's bet because they're two different

[6:53] species it's not gonna work a mammal cannot impregnate a reptile it seems like the only good

Dan McCoy

[6:58] play here is to place a small bet on the man the alligator having coitus yeah and then like you

[7:05] know it's something you can afford to lose but it'll pay off big if it happens but that's my tip to you

Stuart Wellington

[7:13] oh yeah danny the greek yeah you can usually see dan at the uh the new jersey racetracks that

Elliott Kalan

[7:19] have recently reopened he's there on the weekends giving hot tips on on cross species events yep he's

Stuart Wellington

[7:26] uh he's taking out his uh his racing uh racing forms from uh the brim of his cap and he's occasionally

[7:32] ripping them up in anger and then having to go explain things to somebody over the phone

Elliott Kalan

[7:38] and every now and then he ends up getting scammed by a italian-ish man who's pretending to sell

[7:44] tootsie-fruitsie ice cream but is in fact selling betting books and dan has bought an elaborate

Dan McCoy

[7:48] library of betting books from this guy yeah that is a i mean i you know everyone who gets that joke

Stuart Wellington

[7:56] i love you so so the uh uh the narration actually doesn't happen i i made that up that was a that

[8:04] was a stewart fib you caught me guys uh take me away to stewart jail that's a jail filled only with

[8:10] me's wait wait so it's but you run the jail or you own it i also run and own it yes so it seems

Elliott Kalan

[8:16] like a conflict of interest that you would be imprisoned in your own jail the thing is that's a

Stuart Wellington

[8:20] lot of characters for me to have to play but they're all me so i could think i can do it right um so

[8:25] is it like an undercover boss situation it is like an underground boss situation thank you dan for

[8:31] pointing that out well and that's the thing is that it's all about me just kind of figuring out that

[8:35] uh the people who work for me who are also me uh they have you know they're they're fully realized

[8:41] characters they have well-rounded lives and you know what they need the support of a boss who is

[8:45] also me so we go uh the movie opens so and who are the customers who's the customers customers at a

[8:52] prison uh i mean i guess that's a modern take on prisons i mean that is the prison industrial

[8:57] complex we live in those customers as i think you've already guessed also me so we uh we go uh the

[9:04] movie opens on a con or a grift it's media res like usual uh where we have i think i think you

[9:11] would call this a heist uh-huh yep so it's a heist yep so it's a it's a heist happening at uh what

[9:16] appears to be an art museum although the exteriors look like a like a like a like a warehouse right

Elliott Kalan

[9:23] yeah but we are helpfully given the chiron art museum museum has no name unless in a kind of touch

[9:31] of making the museum a piece of ready-made art itself in a duchampian way is just labeled art

[9:36] museum without any other identifying characteristics it could be that this museum is kind of a pop-up

[9:41] event that's all part of a larger creative uh poke at what is art what is a museum because as we'll see

[9:48] does this museum have any art in it we'll find out now stewart i want to ask you a question right

Dan McCoy

[9:53] off the bat sure i'm on it on a height in a heist movie uh this first scene where we you know learn

[10:01] who the uh team is yep and uh and see them pull a job like that heist must be amazing with a lot of

[10:09] like ins and outs just to show you how cool these guys are and like a lot of style you know well dan

Stuart Wellington

[10:16] you're right uh so we're introduced to our three our three very stylish wait three or four i guess

[10:21] four very stylish uh members of a team four but one of them is is kind of a junior member as well

[10:26] yeah i guess uh so thanks for clarifying elliot uh the the leader is jack reese uh you know

[10:34] obviously uh heir to the reese's fortune and uh i'm guessing this happens before he meets up with

Elliott Kalan

[10:40] cole and macon and starts working for the hellfire club yep and they eventually become the reaver no

[10:45] they become the uh lady deathstrokes uh yeah they're the reavers right yeah the backup guys yeah

Stuart Wellington

[10:50] and it's lady death strike lady deathstroke is lady wait right it lady deathstroke i guess is

Elliott Kalan

[10:57] deathstroke the terminator's wife what i was going to suggest it is lady death strike i i and it's and

[11:03] i imagine if i called her that she would be very upset and she has to speak to my manager is she the

Dan McCoy

[11:08] one that has like um like wolverine fingernails yeah yeah she's got super long sharp talons and kind

Elliott Kalan

[11:15] of like and she has circuitry around her boobs and she wears a kind of samurai type vest yeah yeah

Stuart Wellington

[11:22] that's lady death strike i'm seeing her and her and her father pioneered the the procedure that

[11:28] grafted the adamantium to wolverine's bones right yes but he died in a uh a suicide attempt on a run on a

Elliott Kalan

[11:37] u.s like aircraft carrier or something during world war ii uh that i don't remember i thought her her

Stuart Wellington

[11:44] dad's not donald pierce was that someone else i think that's someone else if i actually got this

[11:49] right and elliot got it wrong uh man i can't wait to do a victory anyway money just right well the

Elliott Kalan

[11:54] important thing is the important thing is that lady deathstroke runs a small shop in their home

[11:59] it's you know it's that kind of place it sells you know kind of novelty bags and like funny t-shirts

[12:03] and little toys and stuff and it doesn't make money but deathstroke the terminator just loves that she

[12:08] you know that she's got this entrepreneur entrepreneurial spirit and he wants to encourage

Stuart Wellington

[12:12] that well that's the thing during quarantine it actually became the primary uh source of income

[12:16] for their household right now because deathstroke can't go out there kill people how could he do that

Elliott Kalan

[12:20] he's not he's got socially distance yeah that's true he can't fly even though he does wear a mask

Stuart Wellington

[12:25] all the time he does wear a mask all the time okay so uh of course so we have our point man jack reese

[12:31] we have his other team members yet we have a tech support guy trey who is also kind of uh constantly

[12:37] befuddled and nervous uh we have izzy who is uh played of course played to a tee by our writer director

[12:45] andrew lawrence of the lawrence uh dynasty and we have isabella who is a well like a martial arts expert

Elliott Kalan

[12:53] murderer lady she is that she's the muscle and she is yeah she's your badass lady assassin yep so they are

Stuart Wellington

[13:00] breaking into this art museum to steal a painting but when they get there they realize the painting is

[13:06] already gone it's been a double cross uh these guys all have machine guns but they get knocked out

[13:11] with what like one flashbang and then isabella's punches and kicks they steal a gun and shoot a bunch of people

Dan McCoy

[13:17] then yeah i just wanted to say this is i of course was being ironic earlier when i said that they would

[13:23] start this heist movie with a really fancy heist the heist seems to be that uh the tech guy has cloned

[13:29] a uh an access badge uh-huh and uh he seems to be doing it in a very weird way where he's like

[13:37] hacking into the system while the guy's trying to like get walk in rather than i don't know like just

[13:44] like magnetizing a strip with the right access or whatever the day before yeah but like uh so there's

[13:51] a bit of a tension where he can't get in and then he basically just like i don't know they like try and

[13:57] walk out with the painting there's no real heist well they well they go in and the painting's not there

Elliott Kalan

[14:02] uh and so there's the there's the extra little stroke where they had tapped into the security

[14:08] camera that showed that the painting was there but in reality the painting's not there so part of the

[14:13] double cross is that their hack of the security camera hasn't turned been hacked and it's totally

[14:19] unnecessary there's no reason that they couldn't just have the guy walk in and say hey the painting's

[14:23] not here the whole security camera thing is a waste of time yep so i'm glad i mentioned it so we

Stuart Wellington

[14:28] then uh of course we fall back on plan b which is uh i guess they i guess they just start shooting the

[14:34] security guards who are shooting back at them but it is like i think these guys are just doing their

[14:38] job they're not villains they work at a art museum right well these guys are the uh these these heist

Elliott Kalan

[14:44] guys are kind of the michael moore of of bandits where uh their real issue is with the is with the

[14:50] thing they're heisting but if that means they're just going to ruin the day of a security guy who's just

[14:54] being paid minimum wage to to watch the lobby of the of the exxon building or whatever they'll do it

[15:01] you know they'll just shove a camera in his face and bother him even though he has no control over

[15:05] the situation and is literally just trying to make insurance money so that he can pay for his family

Stuart Wellington

[15:10] you know so they all load up in an unmarked van we have a thrilling escape which involves uh some

[15:16] very good fake driving acting from andrew lawrence as he like throws himself back as if he just uh slammed on

[15:22] the gas uh and then we we cut to the next scene where we're introduced to uh the the guy who was

[15:30] supposed to be paying for this painting that's right kelsey grammar who plays oh god damn it

Elliott Kalan

[15:37] darius grouch the third darius emmanuel grouch the third but what's his nickname that only he calls

[15:44] himself aka the rumble which is maybe the dumbest tough guy nickname i've ever heard coolest tough

Dan McCoy

[15:52] guy nickname especially for kelsey grammar like because it does sound like a wrestling name yeah

Stuart Wellington

[15:59] well it's well it's what happens when he gives you a hug he shakes you a little bit it makes me wonder

Elliott Kalan

[16:04] if there was an earlier version of this script where the bad guy was a tough guy and he was gonna fight

[16:09] adam copeland edge but then they got kelsey grammar for it and they're like no way is anyone gonna

[16:15] believe that edge wouldn't just rip kelsey grammar in two but we're keeping we're still gonna call him

[16:20] the rumble and he's the only guy who calls himself the rumble as we find out later his company is called

[16:25] like rumble rumble incorporated it's called rumple of the bailey yeah he's much more rumpled and rumple

Stuart Wellington

[16:32] than rumble i'm assuming there was also a similar scene at the end of eraser where uh

[16:38] erald schwarzenegger was supposed to fight the villain and they're like actually we got james

Elliott Kalan

[16:41] conn so he's too old that was always that was always my friend rory's theory about the movie commando

[16:49] was that they hired um why am i forgetting his name vernon wells and they're like this guy's huge and

[16:55] we'll have a big fight between him and schwarzenegger and then vernon wells showed up not in amazing

[16:59] shape and they were like okay well we're gonna have to have arnold schwarzenegger get shot in the arm or

[17:03] something so this is believable as a fight in reality as we found out later when we went to a screening

[17:08] where the director of commando appeared commando was supposed to end with a big speedboat chase

[17:12] and they ran out of money and they had to shoot it on the lot and so they literally just found a basement

Stuart Wellington

[17:17] and that they were able to rig up to look like a cooler basement i mean vernon wells looks very tough

[17:23] in that movie because doesn't he wear like a little chainmail vest that's super tough he wears like a

Elliott Kalan

[17:28] chainmail undershirt and also a freddie mercury mustache and so the whole time you're like oh

[17:33] so this is the alternate universe where freddie mercury is like a thug yeah working for bad guys

Stuart Wellington

[17:37] yeah okay so we're introduced to the rumble he's awesome he talks about how a bunch of painters are

[17:43] a bunch of bitches um and then he explains the plot of the movie which is he needs he had bought a mark

[17:51] you guys might have to correct me he bought the the marker that was on reese's head reese's reese owed a

[17:58] lot of money to a lot of bad people but the rumble bought that marker and now reese owes jack owes money

[18:05] to the rumble so he needs him to pay that money back since he wasn't able to successfully steal the

[18:11] painting he's going to have to sneak aboard the legendary money plane a high stakes casino in the sky

[18:18] and steal a whole bunch of cryptocurrency or else his wife played by denise richards and their daughter

Elliott Kalan

[18:25] will die am i leaving anything out nope totally right uh you're you have everything in there and

[18:32] uh as we'll later find out the whole thing of of the plant of the painting heist again we'll discover

[18:37] it was all double cross i mean that's the least surprising thing in the movie it also yeah it's

[18:41] like an unnecessary he's like he as we'll find out he's like he's like hey i bought your marker you

[18:46] owe me a lot of money and in order to get to cancel your debt you have to steal me a painting you screwed

[18:52] up the painting heist now you got to rob the money plane it's like well why why didn't you just have

Dan McCoy

[18:56] him rob the money plane yeah i don't know what that's yeah that's a good point as is a frequent uh

[19:01] occurrence on the flop house you have scooped me this was exactly my criticism you've you've

[19:07] you've over complicated your uh thing and also you have made your employee uh more apt to uh double

[19:17] cross you because i feel like you know if you if you make him rob the money plane to pay back his

[19:22] marker there's a chance he'll just pay back his marker but if he finds out that you you like screwed

[19:28] him on this heist for some reason and in the meantime like you've threatened his family it seems like

[19:35] you've given that guy much more motivation to just turn on you yeah and i mean when he explains this uh

Stuart Wellington

[19:41] this almost ludicrous plan before handing him just like a normal size duffel bag that has

[19:47] everything he needs in it uh you know jack of course is like are you joking me and and the rumble says

[19:54] do i look like i'm joking he says while smiling so i think he is joking i don't know it's hard to read

[20:01] uh so we uh the team meets up they're like this is going to be impossible but we're going to have to do

Dan McCoy

[20:07] it wait i forget did we did we explain the money plane did we explain it's a high stakes casino in the

Elliott Kalan

[20:12] it's a high stakes casino in the sky that flies around i believe stewart called it a high stakes casino but

[20:15] stewart what makes this what makes this a special kind of casino why does it have to be up in the air

Stuart Wellington

[20:20] starring george clooney uh well it's i mean i've already said that it's a high stakes casino and also

[20:25] they cover things where you know if you want to bet on anything like a man fucking an alligator

[20:30] sounds much cooler when kelsey grammar says but the reason why that's on a plane though is so they

Dan McCoy

[20:37] can fly into what international waters or something in an international airspace and as we all know

[20:42] no laws apply in the sky no yeah no laws and i also want to mention stewart said it was a high stakes

Elliott Kalan

[20:49] it's the highest possible stakes because they're up in the sky that's right don't get any higher uh

[20:54] but here's they also serve steak on board those are the high stakes they're talking about

Stuart Wellington

[21:00] with pot so they're really interesting too yeah yeah yeah they're pumping just pot vapors into the

Elliott Kalan

[21:06] plane so so they're eating steaks in the air while doing high stakes gambling while also they're high

[21:12] as kites and they're in a plane so yeah they really covered all their bases on this one let's go guys

[21:17] it sounds fun now here's the thing that we'll find out later but i'm going to scoop it again is they're

[21:22] watching video feeds of some of these blood sport events which implies that those are happening on

[21:27] the ground so the illegal part is happening on the ground where there's very much national

Stuart Wellington

[21:31] jurisdiction those are happening on a different plane that is flying in international airspace

Elliott Kalan

[21:36] really even the one where the guy just chops another guy's hand off and it looks like they're in a

Stuart Wellington

[21:40] living room well uh elliot i hate to break it to you but sometimes living rooms can be in planes

[21:46] you know that's what that's what we're talking about we're talking about micro micro domiciles now

[21:51] now now now why do you hate to break that i hate to break it to you i know it's gonna it's gonna

Elliott Kalan

[21:57] bum you out i understood why he no no he was right to hate to break that that was not a good break

Stuart Wellington

[22:02] okay so around here is where we get we get the uh this is around where we get the credits credit

[22:07] sequence very professional so good uh we get a little bit of we get a little bit of family time so we can

[22:13] see what jack uh what what what the real stakes are for jack is he's got a loving wife and daughter at

[22:20] home they love to play around when he's at home he even takes his ponytail out he lets his hair

[22:25] flow free like he's uh knuckles again um they have the lovely house and his wife is denise richards

Dan McCoy

[22:32] who has uh uh upwards of one line maybe two i don't know i don't know i heard denise richards you could

Elliott Kalan

[22:38] say her plot her her role does not really justify her face being on the poster as it is i was i was

[22:45] amazed and surprised at how little denise richards there is and there's part of me that wonders if

[22:49] denise richards they were just at her house and she didn't really know that they were shooting a movie

Stuart Wellington

[22:54] that it that certainly is possible they do it it does kind of beg the question like this is this

[23:00] is a whole like also a like a one last job for our heroes uh which i guess like he's got a pretty

[23:06] nice house right like it doesn't feel like he's that desperate i guess his desperation is that his

Elliott Kalan

[23:13] desperation is that people are gonna kill him yes he's he has something like 40 million dollars in debt

[23:18] or something like that or i don't know exactly how much it was but it's a lot of debt i mean i guess

Stuart Wellington

[23:22] that's the thing like sometimes people like the the money that they show is not necessarily the money

[23:27] they have i mean sometimes people are super in debt but they have a nice you know etc it's one of

Elliott Kalan

[23:32] those houses where it's a really nice house but they've only got like two or three rooms with furniture

[23:36] in it like the rest are all empty because they really can't afford that house now i doing some research i saw the

[23:40] the producer of this movie as richard switzer he had worked with denise richards before which makes me

[23:45] think that he was calling in a favor from an old buddy possibly uh but i also learned that in 2016

[23:50] he produced a movie called arlo the burping pig which was another joey lawrence uh vehicle so so if

[23:58] anyone has any information about arlo the burping pig starring joey lawrence uh and uh drake bell it

[24:04] says uh it sounds like it's a family film but who knows maybe it's a taut thriller let me know is

Stuart Wellington

[24:10] is drake bell the animated dinosaur voiced by lake bell it's interesting i i went the other direction i was

Dan McCoy

[24:17] like in my head i'm like is drake bell a duck played by lake bell yeah that's cool

Stuart Wellington

[24:22] that's you know that's the difference between you and me um so dinosaurs and ducks

Elliott Kalan

[24:28] so obviously that's yep that's the that's the old the old the old album dinosaurs and ducks

Stuart Wellington

[24:33] just a hot rocket album yeah yeah uh so our team obviously has to do the job they talk a little bit

[24:39] through it uh trey is going to go on board with jack even though it seems a little weird because he

[24:44] seems more of a tech support guy but they need him to hack that mainframe isabella is going to sneak

[24:49] on they already got her a job as a flight attendant which seems kind of easy that they were able to do

[24:56] uh they talk about the plan which basically the plan they talk about is exactly what's going to

[25:00] happen it's kind of like the opening painting in the movie midsummer yeah if you pay attention to it

Dan McCoy

[25:07] you're not going to be surprised yeah a couple problems with this plan uh number one is the thing

[25:12] that stewart said which is that traditionally in a heist movie they lay out the plan in great detail

[25:18] and then the suspense comes when the small things start going wrong and they have to improvise

[25:23] that is a that is a very traditional heist uh uh uh you know model and again as stewart said

[25:30] it all goes down as he says but number two the plan seems to uh essentially just be

[25:36] we'll create a distraction everyone sneaks to the place where they need to be and does their thing

Elliott Kalan

[25:42] and then heist over well there's certain things about the the plot that plan that i mean and we

[25:47] should talk about how easy it is for them to get uh isabella a job as a flight attendant even though

[25:52] no none of the they don't know her none of the other flight doesn't know her and it's not even like

[25:56] she's taking the place of a sick flight attendant she just boards like a passenger and just wearing a

[26:00] flight attendant uniform but also but we should mention that uh a big part of the plot is is uh

[26:06] jack having to knock out the pilots and take control of the plane still not sure why they needed to do

Dan McCoy

[26:11] that yeah i mean well i think i think i think they're in international airspace i think it's to take

[26:17] them back to where they can parachute out that's the only thing i can think of it's but it seems weird

Elliott Kalan

[26:23] for the for the leader of the heist and a guy who's super tough like a real brawler for him to just

[26:29] sequester himself in the cockpit for most of the plot not really certainly narratively it makes no sense

Dan McCoy

[26:37] by the way i also want to go back to what you said about um her coming on just as a passenger

[26:42] although dressed as a flight attendant there's you know like there's the traditional thing at the door

[26:47] where they're like i'm sorry i'm afraid you're gonna have to leave your weapons here and she takes

[26:52] out two guns and i'm like so isn't it weird that the flight attendant was gonna come on the money

Stuart Wellington

[26:59] plane with two guns yeah that that onboarding area uh it basically looks like the entrance to

[27:04] fucking true dungeon where they're putting all their weapons in like a giant like treasure chest

[27:10] and there's that like kind of thing where all the walls are made with just like draped curtains yes

Dan McCoy

[27:17] yeah i think that's why honestly a lot of like low budget movies are set on planes because you can do so

Elliott Kalan

[27:22] much just by putting a curtain somewhere yeah uh and now jack jack goes on and uh what's trey's uh

[27:31] uh nom de plume that he's going under uh to get onto this mr mcgillicuddy of course no first name

Stuart Wellington

[27:38] given just mr mcgillicuddy so fucking funny that's the thing if you are writing a serious action movie

[27:48] you need to put in jokes like mr mcgillicuddy

Elliott Kalan

[27:53] and everyone refers to him as mr mcgillicuddy constantly and the deadest of deadpan looks

[27:59] and he never seems to remember that that's his name yep uh but no it's so fun it's so fun um so

Stuart Wellington

[28:06] before before we get there we got to say that you know jack's got a little insurance policy on the

[28:12] ground and i think that's one of the best insurance policies certainly the one that i would invest my

[28:17] money in that's right thomas jane tom jane shows up at his house uh i guess they have some kind of a

[28:23] history together former special forces or something uh like tom jane is sneaking into the house with

Dan McCoy

[28:29] his gun drawn and uh the wrestler comes down with his gun drawn too and and and like our lead is like

[28:36] shit i almost shot you and he's like i almost shot you i'm like well tom jane you're the one coming

[28:41] into your friend's house in the middle of the night why do you have your gun drawn it is a scene designed to

Elliott Kalan

[28:46] create suspense in the viewer but it is dumb suspense because you're so you're like who's breaking into

[28:52] his house uh-oh oh it's his old friend who was supposed to be there so why didn't you just go to

Dan McCoy

[28:57] the front door and be like hey i'm here his old friend who i assume was going to betray him because

[29:02] it's you know thomas jane he's he's an old friend of the the lead but you know he's you know we find out

Stuart Wellington

[29:08] he's true blue i also love the idea that tom jane would show up and he's like just keeping you

[29:13] honest just keeping your skills sharp uh so they sit down and tom jane smokes a pipe and he uh you know

[29:20] like you you expect him to do and he basically just shows up so he can explain to uh our hero uh that

[29:27] our hero is cool and tough and has a long history and owes people money yada yada yeah it's literally

Dan McCoy

[29:32] a conversation of two people saying back and forth things that they already know about one another yeah

Stuart Wellington

[29:38] and that we already know yeah a lot of it yeah uh that's kind of what happens when i go

[29:43] over to see dan at dan's house uh you know it's been a while obviously due to due to social

[29:47] distancing but a lot of it's just us sitting out on the porch and me just telling dan dan stuff

Dan McCoy

[29:52] it's cool i'm like i'm like to stewart i'm like as you know you own a bar so you're intimately

[29:56] familiar with like that's true taverns you're super observant that's how you were able to notice that

Stuart Wellington

[30:03] um so uh we we you know we're aboard the money plane uh they get uh our our heroes are i think we should i

Elliott Kalan

[30:12] i think we should mention i'm sure this is kind of it's to take for granted jack is an amazing dad and

[30:17] father yeah his family loves him thomas jane is there to watch his family while he's heisting this

Stuart Wellington

[30:22] money plane uh but jack also has a has a gambling problem right that he uh that's that was part of

[30:28] why he has a big debt is that he had a he had a gambling problem which obviously degenerate gamblers

Elliott Kalan

[30:33] etc etc etc and and that makes robbing a casino a real issue for him in theory because in practice

Stuart Wellington

[30:41] it doesn't seem it doesn't matter at all um so they they get aboard the money plane uh they're

[30:47] walking around the money plane lounge you know it's nice because it's got a lava lamp

[30:54] there's a collection of real rogues on there you have some uh arms dealers you have i'm i i don't

[31:00] know what this woman's job is but she mentions that she used to chop off people's arms she is she is uh

Elliott Kalan

[31:08] she is not white and she is mysterious and that's all we need to know to know that she's evil yeah

[31:14] she's some kind of evil crime boss from another from either a distant land or some part of america that

[31:20] uh that trump has not fixed yet yeah it's a real uh it's a real uh i don't know it's it's a problem

[31:26] it's the the one super problematic thing i feel like in the movie other than the disparaging of of

[31:31] uh crocodile human love which hey you know what as long as no one's getting hurt you will get hurt

[31:37] a crocodile will eat you but otherwise as long as no one's getting hurt go if the crocodile's into it

Dan McCoy

[31:41] go ahead that's what i said now i want i'd like to go into um you know i've just i've got some

[31:46] problems with the the business of the money plane i think that this is the time where it's best to

[31:54] get into it because the money plane obviously it um it offers two types of uh betting it has

[32:02] your traditional casino games only with you know less oversight like i assume there's you know you can

[32:09] it's it's a high stakes in a way that even beyond what a casino might allow and this is this is all

Stuart Wellington

[32:14] explained by joey lawrence who plays the role of the concierge who has a strange kind of bull cut

Dan McCoy

[32:20] uh yeah and then there's a bunch of like hostile hostile to style like people getting like murdered

[32:28] or whatever that you can bet on that sports yeah let's okay so here's the thing i like i feel like

[32:35] the movie needs to uh commit to one or the other because uh a high stakes casino in the air to avoid

[32:43] like uh oversight that i can almost buy as a dumb action premise but but as you say elliot like

[32:53] if they're already like killing people on the ground i don't think they would bother with this whole

[32:59] plane business they would just get like a warehouse somewhere and have a casino where they bet on it

[33:04] especially like we see this big like money plane terminal when they're taking off and i'm like

[33:10] how is that funded like i think that like it is a very openly well branded secret high stakes air

[33:17] casino i mean yeah their their ipads all have like a little bug that says money plane when they're

Elliott Kalan

[33:23] watching the blood sports there's money plane branding in the background in the in the arenas too so

Dan McCoy

[33:29] there's all that like i really think that the only reason they added the blood sports to the movie is

[33:33] to justify our heroes going around murdering all of these people which you know like we've already

[33:39] seen them shooting at security guards so if we're gonna buy into these as like people we care about

[33:44] i think that ship has already sailed but i mean the only the only way it could be

Elliott Kalan

[33:50] dumber and less sensical is if it was a prison on a plane that they had to break into which i think

Dan McCoy

[33:57] is there a movie where they do that elliot i don't know if there's a movie where they do that but i

[34:01] was actually there's one time i was like a con air writing a parody uh screenplay the idea was

[34:11] that it was a jail on a plane that never like landed they just kept refueling it in the air

Elliott Kalan

[34:18] but uh the other but dan i think you're forgetting the main the main selling point of money plane which

[34:22] is yeah yeah you love to gamble they also have fine food fine dining and drinks they want i think it's

[34:27] an open bar which i know you're big on dan because if you go to a wedding that's not an open bar you

[34:32] hold on to that resentment for years until it it warps kind of your soul around this this when

[34:38] i'm just being mad at this open i find myself betting on blood sports just to get an open bar

[34:44] but it it has blood sports it's got regular gambling which yes you can do anywhere

[34:47] yep don't forget there's also a grand suite you can take one of the very you know kind of low energy

[34:56] prostitutes we're on board too wow wow nice critique dude and what and all but this is what i'm gonna do

[35:04] and all and i'm just saying half of the job is showmanship but and all of these super and all of

[35:11] these super wealthy bad guys get to share that one suite so and i don't know what the turn down service

[35:18] is like i don't know how often they're changing the sheets but yes you too can have sex on the

[35:24] sweat stains left over from another criminal having sex in that same room and i think that's one of the

[35:28] real draws is the closeness you get when you're sharing a grand suite with all these other people

Stuart Wellington

[35:32] that you can barely stand in the lobby what's nice is what's nice is that it i'm just hearing elliot

[35:38] describe that implies that elliot sweats a lot while he makes love and i'm glad that i know that about

[35:43] my friend i mean if you don't you're not doing it right oh wow i mean what are you holding back

Elliott Kalan

[35:49] because it's the matinee give your all give me the full performance come on yeah that's that's

Stuart Wellington

[35:53] that's a good point elliot thank you yeah leave it all on the field you know what you're waiting for

[35:57] the super bowl yeah 110 percent oh nothing i was gonna say is better than that so let's move on

[36:05] okay so uh as i said joey lawrence comes out he explains all the rules uh an actor who i think was

[36:12] on an episode of the sopranos or something shows up and he's uh like he's like the rule master and he's

[36:18] like riddle me this fellows and he's got an ipad that has all the bets on it um that'd be great if

Elliott Kalan

[36:24] there's a batman villain called the rule master who's obsessed with rules and he follows all of

[36:28] them never commits any crimes and so he's always like you'll never take me batman and i'm like i have

Dan McCoy

[36:33] no reason to what if he's batman's villain because he what he does is he keeps getting batman convicted

[36:39] of crimes because batman isn't following the rules yeah yeah that's the he's the ultimate bat villain

Elliott Kalan

[36:44] for batman the rule master he's like hmm rule me this batman you aren't licensed to beat up those

[36:50] those mental patients that escaped i'm bringing i'm bringing you under citizen's arrest and and he's

[36:56] like commissioner gordon you can't let him citizens arrest me and commissioner gordon's like yeah well

[36:59] i've been letting you just citizens arrest criminals for years so i think i just so i'm not a hypocrite

[37:04] i think he's got us batman uh it's been nice working with you i was talking to somebody recently uh whose

[37:10] child was very into batman and they had an issue with it and i could totally understand that since

[37:14] batman is essentially the comic book yeah yeah well i had had a problem with it found had a problem

[37:20] with batman i was like yeah well i mean on its face batman is someone using violence to deal with

Dan McCoy

[37:25] serious mental health issues yeah i get it that's also a billionaire like that was my problem i i i

[37:30] just for like cheap kicks i tried watching that six underground movie on netflix knowing that i was

[37:37] not gonna like it but like the premise of that is like ryan reynolds is a billionaire and he gets like

[37:42] like and because he's a billionaire he assembles this team to like uh meet out justice around the world

[37:48] and i'm like oh okay so you're a private citizen like toppling regimes yeah and you're the hero of our

[37:54] movie yeah anyway so anyway so we know so i think so i think we've established why the money plane is

Elliott Kalan

[38:01] where you should take your next vacation when the pandemic is over so we get this action started we

Stuart Wellington

[38:05] have uh we have a game of pretty traditional texas hold'em uh where we you know a bunch of people are

[38:11] playing cards jack sits down he talks a little shit with this uh evil guy who's an arms dealer

[38:19] and we find out that jack's cover is a dead human trafficker which is weird um and

Elliott Kalan

[38:26] it feels are you gonna mention matthew lawrence's role as the cowboy he does matthew

Stuart Wellington

[38:30] he i guess he shows up during the game right matthew lawrence shows up playing a like a texas

[38:35] cowboy guy of course texas hold'em of course he's there to play uh and he plays this let's say he

Dan McCoy

[38:40] plays this character fairly broadly yeah and he plays it with like a mustache he got from like a rickie's

Stuart Wellington

[38:48] yep no costume budget too small um so they uh yeah they play this game of texas hold'em it kind of feels

[38:57] like this scene was shot and edited by somebody who has heard of texas hold'em

[39:05] uh but like and they they you know they shoot the whole thing with like a pulsing synth soundtrack

[39:10] and you're like i guess this is supposed to be exciting i don't quite know what's going on like

[39:14] they don't really indicate what's happening until one person wins after one round of poker jack has

[39:19] had too much he uh he transfers all his funds to his associate mr mcgillicuddy who's actually trey

[39:26] uh and then trey is gonna play for him uh trey plays and of course wins a whole bunch of money

[39:32] uh and everybody's starting to think this mr mcgillicuddy is more than what he seems although

[39:37] although they don't actually i mean they just think he's really lucky or something we'll get to that

Elliott Kalan

[39:41] later he has an amazing run of luck throughout the movie and everyone just takes it at face value

Stuart Wellington

[39:46] yeah from this point on jack which which to be honest it is like he's not reading any of these games

Elliott Kalan

[39:53] so like he is just incredibly he's wasting his luck on this stuff yeah yeah yeah he he should be a long shot

Stuart Wellington

[39:58] um so jack and at this point jack and his obela both slip away and nobody really wonders where they go

[40:05] and they have no no one is watching them anymore they their distraction has worked they can now

[40:11] operate with impunity and what was the distraction i guess the distraction was uh he lost a game of

Dan McCoy

[40:20] poker i'm i would have been very distracted but yeah someone i didn't know lost a game of poker i think

[40:27] what they did was they had we all would they left their goofy friend mr with a funny name mr mc once

Stuart Wellington

[40:32] again hilarious they leave mr mcgillicuddy there and everybody's so taken with him that they don't pay

[40:39] attention to his uh his beefier uh companion so uh isabella sneaks away she finds a secret stash and then

[40:47] the one of the creepy arms dealer guys starts to stalk her and they talk shit uh trey under the guise of mr

[40:55] mcgillicuddy is forced into playing a game of russian roulette with matthew lawrence now here's

Elliott Kalan

[41:01] something where they they really never explained to her what the game is that he's about to what the game

[41:07] they never explained what the game is that he's about to play and i feel like that is uh not a casino not

[41:13] doing its job properly yeah if they're like hey you want to bet on a game yeah sure i love games okay

[41:18] everybody get ready you're ready to bet sure how much are you gonna bet this much i guess okay here

[41:24] it is it's russian roulette he's like can i leave no you can't do that the thing about russian roulette

Stuart Wellington

[41:29] being the game is that feels like counter to everything that casinos are built on like

[41:37] casinos are like we need to keep you betting it at the table as long as possible fuck you can smoke

[41:42] you can do whatever the fuck you want free booze here's the free booze just keep betting we need

[41:46] you to do that and i feel like the idea of like no just just die seems wrong like you can't bet if

Dan McCoy

[41:53] you're a ghost or can you i wish uh listeners could see the way stewart put his fingers to his chin and

Stuart Wellington

[42:03] looked off into the distance hmm so some sort of ghost casino is what you're uh huh right now yep

[42:09] that's what i was conjuring with my necromancy i think it's a better business model than a

[42:13] money plan but um harsh words uh we'll check the box office when i write my screenplay for ghost casino

[42:20] um okay so uh jack and isabella uh beat up the pilots jack fights one of the pilots for an

[42:28] extraordinarily long time and then he takes this stick uh but isn't yeah go on doesn't he like get

Dan McCoy

[42:34] like then there's the the co-pilot is that there or later no it doesn't knock out the first pilot with

Elliott Kalan

[42:40] a single punch the first pilot gets knocked out quick and then he has to fight the co-pilot for a

Dan McCoy

[42:44] little bit yeah and he's like and he does this thing where he's like oh yeah the co-pilot i'm like

[42:49] what kind of heist leader are you you didn't think that a plane had a co-pilot

Elliott Kalan

[42:54] yeah and uh joey lawrence says multiple times throughout we hire the best pilots in the world

[43:00] yeah plural i kept thinking that they were going to like set up that there's going to be some sort

[43:04] of emergency and he's going to have to suddenly do some fancy flying and joey lawrence will be like

[43:08] this isn't best piloting in the world but it never is an issue he not only says that but he also specifies

Stuart Wellington

[43:14] that he used to be one of the pilots so you're like this has got to matter right he's like i hired

Elliott Kalan

[43:20] them all because i am a pilot yeah it's like like all right like you would think he'd be like i can i

Stuart Wellington

[43:25] can tell from the way the plane's moving we're leaving international airspace i wonder if that's

Elliott Kalan

[43:32] i wonder if that's just there so that people ask the question hey when the good guys parachute out and

[43:35] leave no pilots flying the plane yeah uh is everyone on board gonna die that you just know joey lawrence

Stuart Wellington

[43:40] can go in and take over or the idea that they're like i think it's important that you establish uh the

[43:46] the the corporate structure of the money plane and how one can advance within that corporate structure

Elliott Kalan

[43:50] he's like in case anyone is wondering this is not the kind of company where you are pigeonholed

[43:56] i was a pilot one of the best in the world yes but i wanted more i needed the the actual flying

[44:02] wasn't really interesting i wanted to get into management and money plane provided me with the

[44:06] opportunities management training a fast track yeah and you know yes was it a little bit that i got

[44:12] along with the bosses i'm sure did i have some advantages in being let's face it brothers

[44:18] white man and also brothers for the script writer and director yes but in the end money plane gave me

[44:24] this is the this is a recruitment video for money plane i mean they show at colleges to get people

Stuart Wellington

[44:28] to apply for jobs maybe even you two your your even your career can blossom

Dan McCoy

[44:38] uh i was just gonna say that's the uh that's the ironic ironic thing about money plane is they they

[44:43] kill all these people but it is a really you know sort of forward-thinking uh workers first

[44:49] environment you know like it's a good company yeah ethical company otherwise oh yeah i mean it's it's

Elliott Kalan

[44:54] it's an employee-owned company we have to assume since we never see anybody else who's involved

[44:59] with it at all yeah that's true uh which makes it even stranger that they would just let a flight

[45:02] attendant on that they've never met before and so they just be part of the staff that day so after

Stuart Wellington

[45:08] beating up the pilots and stuffing them in a toilet uh unless unless they think it's an

Elliott Kalan

[45:13] undercover boss scenario and they're like we've never seen the mysterious owner jr money plane

[45:17] perhaps this flight attendant we've never met is is the boss in disguise as a flight attendant to

[45:22] see how we do everybody extra good today be on your toes that might be our boss that you're

Stuart Wellington

[45:26] working with that could be what's what's going on i mean i can only assume they expected

[45:30] matthew lawrence's character to be the undercover boss because that's like an undercover boss level

Elliott Kalan

[45:34] costume he's wearing his his uh his droopy fake uh mustache and his big cowboy hat yes is like

[45:41] yosemite sam cosplay i think they probably knew it was not an undercover boss scenario when he killed

Stuart Wellington

[45:46] himself that's well i mean a real undercover boss is going to take it to the next level

Dan McCoy

[45:52] yeah we didn't get to the yeah we didn't get to the roulette what what happened i guess oh yeah at

Elliott Kalan

[45:56] the end of russian roulette uh there's a what did we didn't talk about there's a big argument about

[46:01] who's going to shoot first and mr mcgillicuddy is really hemming and hawing and stalling wow and

[46:05] you're like oh man shitter get off the pot guy yeah and that's basically what the cowboy says he says

[46:10] fine i'll do it and with the first hit uh takes his own life uh in this game and honestly this was

Dan McCoy

[46:16] this was this was kind of a funny scene them just pushing the the gun back and forth and him finally

[46:22] getting impatient and blowing his brains out right away and and in so much as i liked uh

[46:27] uh any of money playing like sort of genuinely rather than ironically i kind of did appreciate

[46:33] the mcgillicuddy uh storyline which is just you know escalating horrifying blood sports that he keeps

[46:40] winning money on and he's super uncomfortable with that i would have loved if that was if they made more

Stuart Wellington

[46:47] of an effort to like play that whole the humor angle of that up but they did not no um so uh

[46:53] jack takes over control he sets up his little uh his little laptop uh and he's talking with his team

[47:00] over earpieces which is pretty funny because like they're all on a plane together and they're all like

[47:06] pretty clearly talking to do an earpiece nobody seems to care um and then he gives his old pal the

[47:12] rumble a facetime call they talk some shit uh it's great you know uh there's a there's a thing where

Elliott Kalan

[47:19] he's like we need code names we shouldn't call each other by our names and for some reason this guy who

[47:23] calls himself the rumble does not take the rumble as his code name yeah you know if somebody googled

Stuart Wellington

[47:29] the rumble they'd find him so he had to come up with a different name the colonel um okay so uh yeah

[47:35] trey gets pulled into betting into more of these blood sports there's like a man versus a cobra a guy

[47:41] chops off a guy's arm i don't quite know what the bet was there maybe how long it's going to take him to do

Elliott Kalan

[47:45] it uh that was the that was the weird thing was it was almost like which one of them is going to crack

[47:49] first and chop off the other one's arm but it doesn't i couldn't tell and when he after he does

[47:55] it he looks at the camera like yeah i did it okay like it's it's very hard to tell what the event is

Dan McCoy

[48:02] he is getting paid or offered money and they're seeing how much money it'll take him to crack and

Stuart Wellington

[48:10] what his friends are i don't know possibly maybe yeah there's piranhas eating a guy all kinds of

[48:15] stuff and mcgillicuddy uh he just can't stop winning he wins everything and people are starting to get a

[48:20] little bit annoyed by this um specifically that arms dealer that we met the arms dealer who uh

[48:27] already has an antagonistic relationship with our heroes um okay so uh isabella and the arms wait i

Elliott Kalan

[48:33] i would like to mention sorry a special mention to the the arms dealer's best friend uh a guy who is

[48:39] i guess supposed to be like his muscle thug but he looks like somebody's kind of deadbeat uncle from

[48:46] miami who is just like coming up to visit for a family reunion and everybody's like okay all right

[48:52] okay gary's here he seems okay everybody just like let's be on our let's just hope gary doesn't make a

[48:57] big scene who do you bring with him okay yeah it's the lady from the rental car place okay he wanted to

[49:02] make it seem like he has relationship in his life so he just picked up the lady from the rental car place

[49:06] and brought her here uh okay uh is he staying somewhere he's staying in the car oh okay well that's all

Stuart Wellington

[49:12] right well that's gary i mean that's making the most out of his time but this guy just looks like a

[49:17] total sleazy loser and he seems very eager for violence to break out like he seems like he's really

[49:22] aggressive but when he actually has to start fighting well it doesn't look like he's ever fought before in his life

Elliott Kalan

[49:27] uh cool so uh it's almost like you kind of are waiting for the twist where it turns out that this

[49:34] arms dealer and his friend are also two guys who tricked their way onto the money plane and they

[49:39] thought it would be a cool bachelor party story but they're way in over their heads you know yeah

Stuart Wellington

[49:43] that'd be that'd be a great side uh and then it turns out all the other criminals are also people who

Elliott Kalan

[49:48] got there under false pretenses and the concierge is like is anyone actually here for the money plane

[49:52] yeah are there any very tales from the most easily money plane guys i just figured out a way i think

Dan McCoy

[49:58] that this movie would work better and uh and um i think it's because they're so close to being there

[50:05] already like these these uh these heisters like come off as like a real group of like goofballs kind

[50:13] of unprepared goofballs and i think it'd be much fun like more fun to watch like a heist movie where it's

[50:20] like the underdogs do a heist like the underdogs have to do this money plane heist so it's like

Elliott Kalan

[50:26] animal house meets money plane yeah but without all the all the gross stuff yeah yeah like or like

[50:32] the big green meets money plane like they're kids like they're the little giants little giants beats

[50:37] meets money plane the sandlot meets money plane the sandlot meets money plane or yeah or like

[50:42] five will goes west meets money plane you know nobody expects these cartoon mice to be able to pull

[50:47] off on the ice from the money plane i wouldn't count them out if it's like finding nemo meets money plane

[50:52] like nemo's got to get into the fish tank on the plane but once there how's he gonna get out of the

[50:56] tank and steal all that cryptocurrency billion dollars in cryptocurrency you know so uh while she's

Stuart Wellington

[51:02] wandering around looking for the mainframe isabella gets surprised by some kind of hired goon uh she

[51:09] uh gets some southern rock put on the playlist and then she beats up the goon and rips off his ears and

Dan McCoy

[51:15] tosses his body in the toilet again i mean like she tells uh like the the main guy to jam all the

[51:24] frequencies because she doesn't want like this guy to alert uh any of the other security and i guess that

[51:31] the way to jam the frequencies is to put the southern rock on well and also she's going to use it to take

Elliott Kalan

[51:36] advantage for the most half-hearted i'm going to try to seduce the thug yeah moment before she decides

[51:42] you know what forget it and rips his ears off of his head rips them right off and then puts them in

Stuart Wellington

[51:46] the toilet with with the pilots so uh so we find out from tom jane who gives them a phone call and once

[51:55] again i gotta say the reception on the money plane is fucking incredible it's amazing every it is

Elliott Kalan

[52:00] crystal clear the images are super clear uh they never have a drop moment there's no lag it's amazing

[52:06] it's so much better than the reception in my own house which is on the ground yeah well you're not

[52:10] a money plan i'm not i'm not on a i'm not in a money house or an air house my house is not an

[52:15] international air it is very much your house a money pit yep uh all the houses are dan they're all

[52:20] money pits all mine literally because mine is a pit that i live in with all my money and i'm like

[52:24] a troll and it's just skulls and bones of people who tried to steal my riches from me and i or even

[52:29] just people who have walked by the pit and i'll just reach out and pull them in and then eat them

Stuart Wellington

[52:33] because i'm a money pit troll oh that's cool do you do you ever like dig into the ground and pull out

[52:38] little uruk eyes and those uruk eyes are like oh man flesh and you're like not yet chill out dude

Elliott Kalan

[52:43] it's not dinner time uh do i have children yes i am a dad and that is how i made them was i dug into the

[52:48] ground to make my my work work children yeah sure uh cool so and i say uh meet

[52:54] on the menu and they're like what's a menu and i'm like no no it's okay it's the 21st century you

Stuart Wellington

[52:58] know what a menu is yeah i mean yeah you don't have to bring that up it's kind of well-worn territory

Elliott Kalan

[53:02] um so i wish i wish in lord of the rings they've gone uh looks like meats back at the drive-through

Stuart Wellington

[53:10] like wait so hold on yeah yeah this special edition makes it even weirder

[53:15] keeps doubling down on anachronisms looks like we'll be having meat at this benihana and they'll cook it

Elliott Kalan

[53:21] table side so benihana exists in the lord of the rings universe okay i mean i'm glad for them i guess

Stuart Wellington

[53:27] things are moving up in the circle of orthank uh cool so tom jane uh reveals to our hero that they

[53:34] were actually double-crossed and they were double-crossed by the rumble that was his painting all

[53:39] along and he just moved it and they're like well we don't want to get double-crossed again uh yes i

Dan McCoy

[53:46] don't like that this painting wasn't a monet so it could also be a monet plane i think they

Elliott Kalan

[53:51] that would have been great wow they left a lot of monet on the table at that point yeah

[53:56] and then they also would have billy idol on the plane performing money money yeah yeah so the evil

Stuart Wellington

[54:04] arms dealer and his goon use this moment to pounce trey is working on the uh they have found the the

[54:11] what the hard drive whatever they're downloading the cryptocurrency uh and the uh the arms dealer and

[54:18] his goon attack trey and isabella at this point um isabella manages to totally annihilate this

[54:25] who's never fought before did she stab him in the head with a bottle yeah it's like it's so

[54:31] simple it's like what whatever man and then she that's one of those things though that like you

Elliott Kalan

[54:35] she should not be able to do that like the human skull is so much harder than than bottle glass

[54:40] like i don't it must be hurricane force that she is shoving that bottle through the top of his skull

Stuart Wellington

[54:46] uh that was her wrestling name was hurricane force uh that was she was on a wrestling team

Elliott Kalan

[54:51] a tag team yeah i i wish that she they had gone goofier with it and she had ripped his mustache off

Stuart Wellington

[54:56] but they didn't go that far so then uh she finds ivan is the arms dealer and he has been beating up

[55:02] trey so she kicks him into a computer and he is immediately electrocuted to death now there are a

Elliott Kalan

[55:07] a lot of issues with this that i just want to mention one is that's not how computers work

[55:11] and also it'd probably break the computer but uh i really like it's in to break him in this case

[55:17] yes and but i really enjoyed the moment because it gave me this moment being like wait hold on what

[55:21] yeah he like fell into a computer and it was it electrocuted like a bad guy in a like a like a

Stuart Wellington

[55:28] monster movie or something i mean i'm assuming his consciousness was immediately uploaded into the

Elliott Kalan

[55:32] computer and now he's flying the money plane that's possible now according to wikipedia the

[55:36] character's last name is voltaic so maybe she has power over electricity and it's just something

Stuart Wellington

[55:41] they didn't get to in the movie yeah that makes a lot of sense okay so uh meanwhile uh on the ground

[55:49] izzy the last member of the team has been kicking back just goofing off you know having a good time

[55:55] cracking some brews out in the desert just waiting for the money plane to get close enough so that he

[55:59] can download the cryptocurrency uh but before that can happen he gets double-crossed by uh a kill team

[56:06] sent by the rumble i'm assuming uh and there's a little bit of a gunfight it looks like he's screwed

[56:12] and then plan b rolls around that's right tom jane is piloting a tiny little drone with a video game

[56:19] controller and the drone has a pistol taped to it and he just starts murdering these dudes with a pistol

[56:26] which i gotta say now that i've seen it in action i do not support drone warfare

Dan McCoy

[56:32] yeah because it's really boring yeah it's very boring i feel like killing izzy at this point is a

[56:38] bad double cross move like particularly if he's kind of in the midst of uh the thing like you know

[56:45] kill him after you know that all of it's been downloaded these people who are going after izzy are

Elliott Kalan

[56:50] are they the rumbles people or are they the money planes people as we later see a team that the

[56:55] money plane sends out and they seem to be the same people i think that's a limitation of the budget

[57:01] okay that's possible uh here's the thing i i'm not getting from uh kelsey grammar's character

[57:07] it feels to me like either one he is throwing obstacles into their paths to force them to become

[57:12] the best that they can be as kind of like almost a mr miyagi type mentor who is like hey i'm gonna make

[57:18] this difficult for you so that you get to the next stage like a good teacher who challenges you doesn't

[57:23] just accept your first efforts or i'm thinking maybe he's got an issue about success himself

[57:31] yeah and doesn't want to be successful and so he keeps throwing obstacles in his own path because

[57:35] he's afraid of success or maybe he just doesn't want to rob that money plane that badly i know i mean

Stuart Wellington

[57:40] i'm kind of like that like sometimes in moments of extreme pressure i have a tendency to self-sabotage

[57:45] you know where like i'll just uh i'll get distracted by something that's completely not important and

[57:50] i'll allow that to derail whatever i'm working on and you know what i feel like there's a little bit

Elliott Kalan

[57:54] of the rumble in me you know well there's a little bit of rumble in all of us that's what we learned

Dan McCoy

[57:59] in the very rumble christmas uh especially you know after i uh have a big meal i got a lot of rumble

Elliott Kalan

[58:06] yeah so after after the rumble's kill team is dispatched uh the rumble decides time to clean

[58:11] up this mess save it for your tweets save it for your twitter feed dan oh uh i'm sorry i was i was

Stuart Wellington

[58:17] uh summarizing the plot did uh dan talk about having to take a shit or something what's going on

Elliott Kalan

[58:21] it was it was heavily implied heavily implied some sort of bowel movement or flatulence

Dan McCoy

[58:26] it could just be a gas thing like it's not

Elliott Kalan

[58:29] no i guess you're right it could just be the toots do you think kelsey gramer named himself after the

[58:34] rumble pack the thing you would plug into a nintendo 64 controller i can only shake yeah when star

Stuart Wellington

[58:40] fox's ship got hit uh-huh yep and uh what's what's the eagle's name who's the eagle that yells at him

[58:46] i don't remember somebody's probably like probably like uh eagle beagle or something i don't think

[58:51] that's it i think i would remember it because it rhymes yeah and then maybe it's like commander jones

[58:56] it something yeah like uh commander feathers or like skyway mcgee or something that seems too

[59:03] obvious it's probably like pablo i guess i don't know that it is nintendo does have strange naming

[59:10] conventions i don't know let me look it up it's probably captain let me see falcon and no

[59:14] also baseball players have names these days computers processing uh elijah wood that's the name of the

[59:21] eagle wow in star fox okay well he can kind of do everything um so uh thomas jane of course i i use

Elliott Kalan

[59:28] his full name now thomas jane uh it's so hard to it's hard to refer to him and not call him by his full

[59:34] name all the time yeah uh but uh but or but you want to call him tom jane because like when you see

[59:39] him you're like oh yeah this guy could be my buddy yeah sure no i mean why not he he brings he

Stuart Wellington

[59:44] brings something very special to this movie so he is at home making a pasta dinner and i gotta say

[59:48] not since watching stanley tooch make a little pasta dinner at home have i been so hungry and thirsty

Dan McCoy

[59:55] he puts carrots in it for sweetness which i i don't care for that oh no i can do it that's uh

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:00] yeah that's like maddie matherson um so no no it's not for sweetness dan that's for eyesight

[1:00:05] oh oh interesting yeah that's that's to help us and also because bugs bunny is coming over for

[1:00:10] dinner that night that's something they cut out of the film he is a stinker

[1:00:13] we have to we have to finish this heist in time because bugs bunny is coming over for dinner and

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:17] i do not want to miss this yeah that's that's true i mean having an animated character in your

[1:00:22] house alone that's crazy uh so one of the most famous most talented animated characters you're

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:29] right you're right at all like even if it was beaky buzzard yeah it was barely in any cartoons or

[1:00:33] like cool cat the worst looney tunes character who's just a real piece of

[1:00:36] and birdie might stop by even hubie and birdie i'd be like this is amazing we're like johnny bravo

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:42] shows up and i'm like i don't really have a nostalgia for you but i'm still impressed because you're

[1:00:47] an animated character you're a cartoon denver the last dinosaur shows up and it's just like

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:51] meh meh meh and you're like look you're a cartoon so you're blowing my mind the biker

[1:00:55] mice from mars i barely know anything about them but they're cartoons it's gonna be weird to have

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:59] them show up no you're right yeah change things uh let's say it's oswald the lucky rabbit a character

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:06] that is is so so boring that disney has never tried to bring him back in any form as far as i

Dan McCoy

[1:01:11] know i mean we all know that that was because of a a trademark thing you think disney couldn't

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:16] have bought the os you don't think there was a point where disney was so rich he could have just

[1:01:20] bought that oswald trademark that nobody was doing anything with i'm reading a biography and actually

Dan McCoy

[1:01:25] like uh through a lot of the old disney studio there's a lot of financial struggle they were

[1:01:30] always kind of on the verge of bankruptcy even though we today we look at uh many of those early

[1:01:35] movies as masterpieces hi i'm dan mccoy this has been my disney history corner okay so uh yeah um

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:43] next episode dan will tell us about the black cauldron but before before any animated characters show

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:50] up to tom jane's house uh a bunch of goons show up and tom jane murders and again not very quickly

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:56] not the comic book character of the goon which again would be just be like hey it's a comic book

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:00] character shown at my house this is crazy mm-hmm uh so they are heroes have managed to steal all the

[1:02:07] money they're hanging out in the i guess cargo hold of the plane they decide they're gonna you guys might

[1:02:14] i got a little confused here but i think they decide they're gonna give away all the cryptocurrency to

[1:02:18] charities and then they're just gonna give away all the other money right it they very quickly go i mean

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:26] earlier this is foreshadowed by earlier in the movie uh jack is reading the story of robin hood to his

[1:02:31] daughter and tells her it's okay to steal if you're stealing from bad people is that that hardback

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:36] guilt-edged copy of robin hood that he keeps in his daughter's bedroom yes exactly exactly it's only the

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:42] best for his little girl and they but they're very quickly are like hey i feel weird about taking this

[1:02:48] money and they're like why don't we use this money and give it to charities for victims of human

[1:02:54] trafficking they keep hitting human trafficking throughout the movie and and one of the people

[1:02:58] goes one of the other people's helping the people that so many of these people have hurt or something

[1:03:02] like that and it was like when did they suddenly get so incredibly sincere and corny and it's uh

Dan McCoy

[1:03:08] it's a strange moment and also like they they uh they name off all of these different charities for

[1:03:16] different things and then the guy's like yeah and he pushes one button and he's like okay did it and

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:22] i'm like how i think he just stole the money and told his friends that he sent it to charity

[1:03:28] yeah what and what's i sent it to my sister charity is it dead or alive where they where they're

[1:03:34] stealing all where they're killing drug dealers and giving the money to charity dead or alive too

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:37] where they're assassinating them and they uh and that's the footage of them murdering people is

[1:03:42] intercut with footage of children third world countries uh celebrating and then they're then they grow angel

Dan McCoy

[1:03:47] wings yeah i'm not even sure that this uh final turn robin hood turn though gets me on these people's

[1:03:53] side uh especially considering i i don't think we mentioned it there was a scene earlier on

[1:03:58] where uh the assassin woman like smashes a bottle over someone and then stabs him several times in the

[1:04:05] stomach with the jacket edges and i'm like okay well i you know like any idea i had of these

[1:04:12] people being lovable in any ways gone now she's probably done this before she ripped a guy's ears

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:18] off and again that guy he was just a security guard on the money plane just doing his job yeah there's

[1:04:23] no reason to take his ears off of his head uh i don't think they're gonna be able to put back on

[1:04:28] it's not like he's made out of legos yeah you know and she probably just tossed him down the toilet

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:32] with the rest of the pilots and stuff which is gonna clog the toilet on the plane too you're not

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:36] supposed to throw garbage into the toilet there's a there's a sign on there that says no ears

Dan McCoy

[1:04:42] what if kyle mclaughlin like the plane got sold to like a normal normal company kyle mclaughlin's

[1:04:48] taking you know a trip the clock comes back up it's an ear and he's like not again not again i don't

[1:04:55] have the energy that's that's a reference we all love or uh okay well it's or hugh dancing from

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:03] hannibal would uh cough it up and he's like oh i can't throw this away i guess i'll put it in my

[1:05:07] pocket or what's his face from reservoir dogs who gets his ear cut off it's there's a look thanks

Dan McCoy

[1:05:13] there's a rich history that's our tribute to you go back to van gogh our tribute our tribute to the

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:19] removal of ears in art okay join us won't you i'm glad the flop house takes a two-hour tour of the

[1:05:27] great moments of ear removal in a human culture yep here we go

[1:05:33] i'm ellie i can't believe i fucked that up yeah it should have been ear we've been okay since ever

[1:05:40] since the noble ear wig first crawled into someone's ear ears have been both a boon and a curse for

[1:05:47] humans we've expressed this in many different ways in many different forms sculpture painting film and also

[1:05:55] the actual removal and lacquering of ears to be placed onto wooden boards to be decorated used as

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:02] decoration in i assume a serial killer's house now uh and i guess we'd intercut footage of famous ear

[1:06:08] moments in movies like uh like in star trek 2 rafi con yeah yeah yeah yeah uh and then uh join us next

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:15] week when we talk about eyes we'll talk about un shannon de lu and uh event horizon after that we'll talk

[1:06:20] about noses and we'll talk about batman returns there'd probably be that scene uh scene from an

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:25] episode of double dare where you have to like pull out a flag from a giant ear that's filled with

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:31] something that looks like earwax just i think it's a big nose but maybe it's an ear that's a good thing

[1:06:37] we've got mark summers on the line hey mark we got a question for you on double dare was it an ear or a

[1:06:43] nose no no i can't patch the phone into the recording equipment so you're just going to tell me and i'll tell

[1:06:48] them you don't remember can you look it up oh you have someone you can call okay i'll hold he's

[1:06:54] calling he's he's got someone he's gonna call to find out i mean yeah let's keep them on there

[1:07:00] guys quiet please mark's back on the line yeah yeah mark oh they didn't know either well do you

[1:07:06] have any like tapes that you could you could review they're in your basement in a box but you're not sure

[1:07:11] which box okay put us back on hold see if see if you can find that box okay so guys he's looking in the

[1:07:18] box that the tapes are in so you can review them probably just you know like keep them on the line

[1:07:22] and move on wait no no no what no mark's back i really want to get this settled mark yeah oh there

[1:07:27] was oh the basement's flooded there's a water damage on the boxes oh and the tapes were ruined oh i'm so

[1:07:32] sorry to hear that oh and all your personal memories too oh your wedding tape oh i'm so sorry to hear

[1:07:37] that that's right well are you insured oh you didn't you well you'll have to see if it's if the water

[1:07:42] caused the damage then it might be insured uh-huh but if it's caused if it was say some other thing

[1:07:47] that relates to the water might be uh-huh yeah you should handle that ellie ellie tell him about

[1:07:52] kitty litter yeah do you have you tried using kitty litter to soak up the water yeah tell him that

[1:07:58] uh he is asking what kitty litter is you want me to tell him what kitty litter is yeah yeah i mean

[1:08:01] explain i mean it's what so they're like saying the cats take shits in it's like sand that you put in

[1:08:05] like a box for a cat to to go to the bathroom he says that sounds disgusting yeah it does i mean yeah

[1:08:11] it's a weird thing for people to have oh i'm getting another call hold on yeah i lost the call

[1:08:17] with mark who's on the who's on the other line hold on jim oh hey jim yeah i was just talking to mark

[1:08:23] yeah yeah no no i lost the call his basement got flooded i know terrible right that's funny i wish

[1:08:29] i could plug you into the recording device so that everyone at home could hear what you're saying

Dan McCoy

[1:08:32] not since bob newhart has there been such a funny one-sided phone call this is this is uh this is

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:39] jim gordon commissioner jim gordon from oh wow oh the rule masters on your on your case oh because

[1:08:44] you've been working with an unlicensed vigilante all this time yeah yeah oh they took your badge

[1:08:48] well i gotta say jim i warned you this would happen yeah i mean you're sending all these people to

[1:08:53] the asylum because you couldn't make the charges stick in jail because a man in a bat costume was

Stuart Wellington

[1:08:57] arresting them i got sympathy for him but you know okay well dan's dan's starting to get upset yeah

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:02] we're recording the podcast right now oh dan jim says hi okay hi he said dan says hi back oh you've

[1:09:08] never met him you're just a big fan oh he says okay well anyway uh jim and steward he says he likes

Dan McCoy

[1:09:14] you too oh jim i should i should finish oh wait i'm getting another call i'm gonna say like or love

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:20] i already lost him he had to go deal with something mark i'll ask him next time

[1:09:23] mark why don't you just why don't you just find tell me later okay yeah okay sounds good okay love

[1:09:29] you too bye so guys i'm glad we got that squared away so we got it settled it settled mark's basement

[1:09:34] is flooded oh yeah i hope he tries kitty letters so so if you have any questions about double deer do

Stuart Wellington

[1:09:38] not go to mark summers because he does not remember it very well so the team jack uh jack calls up

[1:09:44] uh darius grouch the rumble uh and he reveals that you know fuck it we're double crossing you we're

[1:09:50] we're throwing all the money away you don't get it uh and then they out darius to the whole money plane

[1:09:57] uh team revealing that darius has been trying to screw over the money plane uh and then they jump out

[1:10:04] of a plane door with all the money um and the people on the money plane start taking bets as to how

[1:10:11] long it's going to take darius grouch to die it seems kind of like it seems kind of weird that they

[1:10:16] just hear a recording of somebody talking shit about the money plane and they're like i guess we

[1:10:20] gotta kill him but you know the money plane's pretty weird yeah i mean they're not the nicest

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:24] people on that money plane that's true dan you dan you're speaking truth right there you they are not

Stuart Wellington

[1:10:30] the nicest people so we have footage of some tom hanks is not on that plane there's footage of some

[1:10:36] goons driving up and exiting a car we're assuming they're going to the rumble's house there's no other

[1:10:41] visual cues uh the rumble shoots his only goon that's still around he finds out that jack has bugged his

[1:10:47] house and then he picks up a machine gun and shoots it off screen and that is a wrap a movie wrap for

Dan McCoy

[1:10:54] kelsey grammar yeah does he have a cigar while shooting the the the automatic rifle or did i just

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:01] put that in my head that's a tough one i don't remember but it sounds correct now his his henchman

[1:11:06] is named something like p roach or something like that right yep he's like p roach come on you can't go

[1:11:12] but uh the i guess he's named after the famous detective urcule p roach yeah but uh the there's

[1:11:18] something very pop roach yeah i'm gonna only assume it's short for pop roach uh but he just picks up a

[1:11:25] gun and starts firing it and i think you're supposed to assume that the that the the wetworks team that's

[1:11:30] taking him out has entered the house but it could be funny if he's like i better spray some bullets in

[1:11:34] here and then the guys driving up will think i was shot already maybe they'll hear it and they just

Stuart Wellington

[1:11:38] won't bother to come in the house yeah so they got scooped by a different team uh so uh we assume

[1:11:44] he's dead we don't know we get like what a couple months later chiron on the screen uh we find out

[1:11:48] they have stolen the painting they're trying to steal in the beginning and they sold it for a whole lot

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:53] of money the end everybody's happy yippee wait did we mention stuart i can't remember did you mention

Stuart Wellington

[1:11:59] that when he picks up the gun he says rumble time i didn't he says uh he says welcome to the original

[1:12:04] rumble pack and then he starts shooting his gun uh cool so that was uh money plane guys uh and yeah

[1:12:13] we get some hot hot rock music at the end we're all we're leaving this movie pumped you know we walk

[1:12:18] out of the movie theater the sun hits our eyes blinding us briefly but you know what yeah so happy

[1:12:24] we're on a fucking adrenaline rush we get in our cars we pop in some tunes into the tape deck like

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:30] where's the real money plane because it seems to me like the real money plane was the frenzy made along

Dan McCoy

[1:12:33] the way it's true yeah yeah and we're at 125 on this recording now we messed around for maybe 10 or 15

[1:12:40] minutes at the beginning so we're even shorter but like this is the first time we are at approximately

[1:12:45] the length of the movie we watched which was like around 80 minutes or something so i don't think we

Stuart Wellington

[1:12:50] fucked around at all i feel like we were pretty much strict to the plot on this one but uh you know

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:55] yeah i mean i mean there was i mean maybe i spent like 10 seconds calling up mark summers to find out

[1:13:00] uh but i think everyone would agree that that was time well spent and the advice i usually get from

Stuart Wellington

[1:13:04] uh professional podcasters is if you want to increase your listenership just make your episodes

Dan McCoy

[1:13:08] super fucking long no no no make them super long if anything i was complimenting us on not doing uh

[1:13:16] something that is uh longer than the actual movie i mean the episode's not done dan that's true uh so uh

[1:13:24] in the interest of that let's do final judgments whether this is a good bad movie a bad bad movie

[1:13:30] or a movie you kind of liked i will make an admission guys i've actually seen at this point money plane

[1:13:37] two times yeah that is because uh uh during this pandemic you know a lot of people are having

[1:13:43] watch alongs i self-isolated watch alongs where they chat over the internet while watching a movie together

[1:13:49] uh a bad movie uh group of folks that i'm pals with did money plane and uh that's the movie we just

[1:13:58] watched though right the movie okay so i i when i watched it the first time i could barely follow

[1:14:04] what was going on because i was chatting and making jokes and having a drink and what what not while it

[1:14:09] was not the conducive uh atmosphere to actually following the plot and then this second time i actually paid

[1:14:16] attention to everything that was going on and the second time i thought the movie was just kind of

[1:14:22] dumb in ways that annoyed me but the first time i had a great time and that's really the way you

[1:14:28] should watch a bad movie is with friends so i'm gonna say that's probably a good movie to watch with

[1:14:32] friends a funny movie like and some bad movies you know you think they're funny because they're so

[1:14:39] totally off in like understanding what a movie is sometimes the great thing about it is like every

[1:14:46] decision is made wrong you're like who thought about this and like pondering the decisions is what's

[1:14:51] fun about it and then sometimes there's movies like money plane which i think like has a dumb enough

[1:14:57] high concept premise that it could have been a hollywood blockbuster if they threw like

[1:15:05] you know tens of millions more dollars at it and had a 75 percent smarter script

[1:15:11] or add kelsey grammar for a second day yeah so what's kind of funny about a movie like money

[1:15:16] plane is seeing how close it is to something that could be actual entertainment yeah but how they

[1:15:23] fuck it up so uh i i say good bad i guess is what i'm saying well it sounds like you're recommending

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:29] the movie as a as a good bad watch but even more that you're recommending friendship yeah

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:34] yeah i'm gonna i'll back you up i think that's a good bad movie um i think it i i also have watched

[1:15:40] it twice uh oh wow yeah well because i started i watched it i thought we were recording a week

[1:15:45] earlier so i watched it last week and then i'm like i better i better review this my brain doesn't

[1:15:51] work very well and my notes are terrible but um uh yeah it's uh it's it's a dumb dumb movie uh

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:59] yeah i feel i would also call it a good bad i feel like the one thing we didn't really get across

[1:16:04] in our description is how cheap the whole movie looks very how flimsy and there's a lot of fun to

[1:16:09] be had enjoying that it's like the first few minutes in i was like oh right i haven't seen a movie that

[1:16:15] looks this cheap in a long time yeah and yet still has some kind of professional gloss to it so i would

[1:16:22] also say it's a good bad movie i mean but don't i mean take my word with a grain of salt i've only

Stuart Wellington

[1:16:26] seen money playing once yeah yeah you're a newbie that's what we call you yeah yeah

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Stuart Wellington

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Stuart Wellington

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Dan McCoy

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Stuart Wellington

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Elliott Kalan

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[1:19:37] and distributing and getting people to use your new nickname i was really inspired by this guy calling

[1:19:43] himself the rumble which feels very much like a self-given nickname that nobody else is using he

[1:19:49] cannot get it to work everyone's still calling him darius or grump they're not calling him i mean

[1:19:54] that's not even his last name

[1:19:58] uh i mean a grouch i mean he is kind of a grump

Stuart Wellington

[1:20:01] grump would be like the nickname version of his last name which would be appropriate but that's not

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:05] something you can give yourself right now and something that i didn't mention that he's of course

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Elliott Kalan

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[1:20:24] for you the rumble not the right nickname for him but maybe like uh crime professor could be you

[1:20:30] know or like whiskey johnny or something like that you know or a cigar boy fraser crane you know

[1:20:35] yeah or fraser crane perfect it's a made-up name that doesn't make any sense whiskey johnny sounds

Dan McCoy

[1:20:41] like like slang from the 20s like that like a dad would say to his daughter be like i don't want

[1:20:47] you hanging around in the pub with all those whiskey johnny's uh-huh yeah that's the thing is like

Stuart Wellington

[1:20:52] that's a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point because then you're just yeah you're just putting in

Dan McCoy

[1:20:55] the idea of whiskey johnny's in her head well that's the thing you know like uh you gotta

[1:21:00] like a restrictive upbringing is only gonna make it seem all the sweeter yeah that's true like

Stuart Wellington

[1:21:05] yeah that's very true thank you for mentioning that that's keep that in mind take some more

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:09] parenting advice from steward and dad yeah yeah yeah no that's great that's great uh so uh new

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[1:21:31] referring to you with your new nickname hey maybe the rumble would have taken off if steve gutenberg

[1:21:36] had left a message on his best friends not steve gutenberg's best friend but the rumble's best

[1:21:42] friends answering machine referring to the grout different grouch as the rumble you got to listen to

[1:21:46] the good right so that's new nickname or not dot com that's the website i'm hoping to put together

Stuart Wellington

[1:21:52] stewart can squarespace help me with that uh let me double check uh let me uh do i have time to call

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:00] mark summers and ask i think you do i think you've got nothing but time okay well uh i'll do that uh

Stuart Wellington

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Dan McCoy

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Stuart Wellington

[1:23:37] i was born in 1980 but i guess not oh wow i mean maybe it is oh well fine i mean i i mean you don't

Dan McCoy

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[1:23:52] those two years i spent in the 70s were just yeah i don't know remember a lot i just remember a lot of

[1:23:58] crying and earaches so i assumed that was jimmy carter's fault i mean i assume you don't remember

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:03] it because you're so coked up yeah uh so guys let's get out of those ads and into another ad we've got a

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[1:25:00] so guys i'm very curious to find out why they think a few of those mentioned are good movies when they

[1:25:04] are not good but hey that's that's the intriguing you have to listen yeah that's the treatment i gotta

[1:25:09] listen and we also have a personal jumbotron this is a message for nikolai and it comes from

[1:25:15] mikael or michael it's either michael or michael and the message is hey big brother gifts are hard

[1:25:20] and there's no way i'm going to top trogdor the board game but i thought it might come close if i

[1:25:24] gave you a nice podcast surprise and the thrill of hearing one of our favorite hosts say boudrascotch

[1:25:30] i love you dearly happy birthday p.s i picked the flop house because it reminds me of our rides to work

[1:25:35] together two things about that message one it was supposed to run before august 30th for reasons

[1:25:41] unknown to us except maybe related to the fact that the world has been falling apart and lots of

[1:25:45] things have been slipping off our minds it clearly is after august 30th but we're running it now so

[1:25:49] we're sorry about that but also i don't know what that word you have me say was and i'm worried about

[1:25:54] what it meant so i will not be repeating it but happy belated birthday nikolai uh there's another

[1:26:00] thing this is not a jumbotron that we'd like to promote hey guys do you remember when we did a live

[1:26:04] over zoom show where we talked about howard t duck i remember it i remember that happening

[1:26:10] stew do you remember that or have you erased it from your mind eternal sunshine style it's i mean yeah i did

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:15] that what does he use in that like a laser beam what how does that work yeah he puts his head into the

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:20] the laser that they use to scan your groceries and it just takes out that part of his mind okay

[1:26:25] that's cool like total recall style right yeah exactly that's leading total recall too he was just

[1:26:30] at the grocery store and they erased his memory there's a lot of things in common between eternal

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:34] sunshine of the spotless mind and total recall like michael ironside is great in both of them

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:40] there's martians go to mars yeah yeah so guys i wanted to promote we're going to do another

[1:26:46] live show that's right another live over zoom show on october 24th just one week before halloween

[1:26:54] that's right october 24th 9 p.m eastern 6 p.m pacific the as dan mentioned we were talking about

[1:27:00] it the perfect time to not be exactly the right time that people on either coast would want to watch a

[1:27:04] show but hey that's when we've got to do it we didn't invent time zones blame the sun and the orbit of

[1:27:10] the earth and also the way the earth rotates so that's october 24th one week before halloween

[1:27:14] 9 p.m eastern 6 p.m pacific uh it's gonna be another live show the three of us dudes just doing

[1:27:19] presentations like we would at a normal show uh we'll probably have some sort of a charitable element

[1:27:24] that we are throwing uh interest towards and dan what movie are we going to be doing should we announce

Dan McCoy

[1:27:29] it we we will be uh talking about the exorcist 2 colon the heretic whatever that means i mean i know

[1:27:39] what the word heretic means but i don't know in the terms of exorcist 2 what it means this is a movie

Elliott Kalan

[1:27:44] none of us have seen so it's a real grab bag who knows it's a mystery box so you know jj abrams is

[1:27:49] going to tune in that's october 24th 9 p.m eastern 6 p.m pacific we're just going to be talking live

[1:27:54] you'll see it'll be you'll be it'll be streaming through the flop house youtube page all i know

Dan McCoy

[1:27:58] about exorcist 2 is uh that book the golden turkey awards that the medvid brothers wrote before uh

[1:28:04] they became crazy conservatives or at least one of them i don't know what happened to the other guy

[1:28:08] but uh is that exorcist 2 was listed as the second worst movie of all time in that book after plan

[1:28:15] nine from outer space which was which was that book was kind of what uh catapulted that film to

[1:28:21] occult success at the beginning of the uh the real like bad movie craze the ironic bad movie craze

Stuart Wellington

[1:28:28] maybe this live show will uh give exorcist 2 the heretic a bump and uh yeah we'll check it out

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:34] mm-hmm we'll see i also want to promote one more thing this is just for me guys hey i've got a new

[1:28:40] kids book coming out it comes out september 29th it's called sharko and hippo uh the artist by andres

[1:28:45] rumi uh who's a fantastic children's book illustrator and just artists all around and also children's book

[1:28:50] writer it comes from balser and bray division of harper collins so go to the harper collins website

[1:28:55] and pre-order it right now if you want to or pre-order it through your local independent

[1:28:59] bookstore that's sharko and hippo coming out september 29th it's a story of uh verbal confusion

[1:29:05] between a shark and a hippo so i think you're gonna like it if you like words that rhyme and i know i do

[1:29:12] get ready for sharko and hippo

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:14] what a sales pitch um cool so what do we do next on this podcast dan next we take letters from listeners

Dan McCoy

[1:29:24] and uh we don't just take them we read them oh on the air cool okay i guess if if you want to

[1:29:31] this one is from jackie last name withheld collins jackie brown and jackie writes hi peaches i

[1:29:37] recently watched the emotional and nostalgic film a beautiful day in the neighborhood

[1:29:42] it's about a jaded writer assigned to a profile of the beloved tv host mr rogers played by the equally

[1:29:48] beloved tom hanks the plot's movie is framed using a metaphoric episode of the show where mr rogers

[1:29:56] explores the writer's own emotional issues of a traumatic childhood from his absentee father and

[1:30:01] the pressures of his own new parented it didn't really work for me it came off more weird than

[1:30:08] rewarding but that said i don't blame them for trying such a narrative device i think a full-on biopic of

[1:30:14] fred rogers would have been cloying and if you're going to do a broken person reluctantly befriends a

[1:30:19] wonderful weirdo who fixes their personal life why not dip into familiar and beloved elements to move

[1:30:24] a pretty by the books plot along what's an example of a plot device that doesn't really work in film tv

[1:30:33] book or whatever for you guys but you respect it for trying

Stuart Wellington

[1:30:39] uh i was gonna say uh in the in in the movie doom i know i don't want to i'm gonna ruffle some feathers

[1:30:47] here in the movie doom uh they throw in a bit near the end of like a first person shooter moment you know

[1:30:53] you gotta do it you gotta try uh and it you know it didn't quite it didn't quite work for me partly

[1:30:59] because that type of shit always makes me motion sick but i know it's an attempt to like capture the

[1:31:04] feel of a video game but unless you're edgar wright you're not going to be able to capture that feeling

[1:31:08] of a video game using a movie so uh but you know whatever give it a go and yeah i'm i'm uh looking at you

[1:31:17] hardcore harry or whatever that movie is that i couldn't watch because i knew it would make me barf

Dan McCoy

[1:31:23] i'll i'll mention one where i had sort of a mixed reaction to it which is i watched uh

[1:31:28] dr sleep a few nights ago and uh directed by mike flanagan who is beloved uh for many a horror movie

[1:31:36] and uh which ones he did hush he did gerald's game like i i think there's other stuff he did the

[1:31:43] good one of the ouija movies i think maybe um but uh so he did the sequel to the shining and um

[1:31:54] you know the shining is an interesting case because uh obviously stephen king hated the kubrick movie

[1:31:59] and uh to the degree that he actually liked the stephen webber version of the shiny uh

[1:32:06] and uh and part of the reason he didn't like it was it was this you know adaptation of a very

[1:32:12] personal story to him about alcoholism at a time that he himself was an alcoholic

[1:32:19] and so i think dr sleep the novel was kind of like part of his impetus i think in

[1:32:25] telling that story was like telling a continuation telling a story about someone who recovered from

[1:32:31] alcoholism this is all sort of background to say that like

[1:32:35] dr sleep feels very much like a stephen king movie the the version that with ewan mcgregor that

[1:32:42] mike flanagan directed uh defiantly like a stephen king movie almost uh whereas like the shining feels

[1:32:48] very kubrick but dr sleep also uses imagery directly from the movie the shining like sometimes actual

[1:32:59] shots from the old movie that have been cleaned up sometimes it's like just the same iconography

[1:33:07] and i have mixed feelings on that because it does feel like this should be its own thing that that that

[1:33:14] stands on its own but at the same time those images are so indelible and the story is linked to the

[1:33:21] shining i feel like it's kind of hard to make that movie without some of those references like that is

[1:33:28] like iconic so it that's a time where like i think they tried a very bold formal thing and i'm not quite

Stuart Wellington

[1:33:37] sure how i feel about it yeah i mean i feel like audiences are kind of with you because most folks that i

[1:33:42] talk to are pretty like they either love it and that's when they that's the parts of the movie they

[1:33:47] like and for other people that's what uh what what lost them in the movie yeah uh mine is also gonna

Elliott Kalan

[1:33:54] be may ruffle some feathers i was just gonna mention there's a little movie from a few years ago called

[1:33:59] cloud atlas where uh like in the book it's based on it's a lot of it's a telling a number of linked

[1:34:04] stories and they were kind of intersecting these different stories in different spaces and times they had the

[1:34:10] same little group of actors playing different parts in each and it's something that yeah i like the

[1:34:16] concept of but it just doesn't quite work it leads to some uh some casting that i think would not fly

[1:34:23] uh in the current climate but also it means that like you have to have like caveman tom hanks of the future

[1:34:30] uh and and and and if and a few other things like that we were like this doesn't really this i don't see how these stories are really related and also i don't know why these

[1:34:39] i don't know why these characters are connected like i don't know why this actor is playing these

[1:34:44] three characters other than that they are roughly the same age as that actor yeah and so i wish that

[1:34:49] there was it's i really admire the the concept of we're going to tell a bunch of linked stories with

[1:34:53] the same group of actors playing different characters but it just doesn't it doesn't quite work so i'm

Stuart Wellington

[1:34:58] going to give them a b minus for effort yeah i mean it's a i mean it's a big swing it's a real big swing

Dan McCoy

[1:35:04] i largely liked that movie but yeah i i mean you know again setting aside the uh racial problematics of

[1:35:13] having uh some of this happen also the stories rhyme with one another in different ways but it's not like

[1:35:22] the characters that these people are playing are like the same character in any sort of significant

[1:35:28] way so it is weird it's like something that could easily not happen and still have those sort of like

Elliott Kalan

[1:35:35] stories retold through time feeling there's also in watching the movie there's no there's no story in

[1:35:40] it where i'm like oh if this story was not here the movie would be less off for it you know i i it's

[1:35:46] just like it it felt feels to me like a a really great concept in search of the content to fill out that

[1:35:53] concept but i know that movie's got it's got its champions and that is totally okay

[1:35:59] and also and not to and spoiler alert my recommendation for this week also has some things that i respect for

[1:36:06] trying but don't quite work so we'll get to that oh wow why do you gotta give me such a tantalizing tease

[1:36:12] for my taste buds it's just a tantalizing taste bud tease okay well uh just one more letter

Dan McCoy

[1:36:19] and i'm gonna i'm just gonna dive right in dear peaches i've been a listener for a few years now

[1:36:26] and i've always loved you guys elliot with your brains and songs you are always getting me on an

[1:36:32] intellectual level stewart with your original party dude attitude combined with your unabashed

[1:36:39] nerdiness you are the people's champion and dan my fine depressed fellow you've always been the guy

[1:36:45] i've connected with the most listening to your trials and tribulations over the years

[1:36:49] helped me get through some terrible times so i've always taken your recommendations very seriously

[1:36:55] thank you for stop making sense a movie i'm pretty sure you made somehow well if only so when i heard

[1:37:02] on the show that you take cannabis something you referenced a few times but notice notably on the

[1:37:06] cats episode i figured i'd get over my previous stance and give the devil's lettuce a serious try

[1:37:13] and unlike all the scary stories i was told in dare i actually felt comfortable when i was high it is greatly

[1:37:19] improved my attitude and day-to-day life helped me relax when my anxiety is out of control and most

[1:37:25] importantly helped me realize that i am and always have been a woman well not always i used to be a

[1:37:32] little girl but i was never a boy and realizing that now has changed my entire outlook on life and in the

[1:37:38] the weirdest roundabout way your show helped me realize that thank you for everything you've done

[1:37:44] i'm so happy now love ramona formerly dead name withheld i just thought that was a real sweet letter

[1:37:50] no it's a nice letter thank you for for reading it's a very you know it just makes makes us feel good and

[1:37:57] you know i like that i was able to you know get somebody to smoke weed help someone through drugs

[1:38:03] yeah like remotely just like you know just say drugs are cool by me just say yeah i mean if i was if i

Stuart Wellington

[1:38:13] was running say a small you know farm to table uh drug selling outfit i don't know if you would be my first

[1:38:22] choice is a salesperson uh i don't feel like sales is necessarily your best attribute i feel like you're

[1:38:28] more of a you know a logistics type person sure uh but it's nice to hear that i was i was wrong in this

Dan McCoy

[1:38:35] case yeah uh anyway thank you so much ramona i i just really appreciated getting that and i wanted to

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:43] share with everyone um i like i like that that is a is genuinely heartwarming while at the same time

[1:38:51] uh being like uh uh the exact opposite of what a like every uh every after school special

Dan McCoy

[1:39:01] wonderful uh hey let's uh do recommendations the part of the show where we say why not go watch

[1:39:09] this movie instead of that one although with money plane you know you could probably find time for

[1:39:15] both if that's the kind of thing you like yeah it's like 80 minutes long man it's like you only have

Elliott Kalan

[1:39:20] one movie what do you choose what do you choose money plane or something chopping mall yeah uh i

Dan McCoy

[1:39:27] wanted to recommend i mean recommend is a hard one with this one but i watched uh we need to talk

[1:39:32] about kevin which is a very uh yeah it's great punishing movie but very good uh i really like

[1:39:38] lynn ramsey i liked morver and color a lot i liked you were never really here a lot yeah laugh factories

[1:39:46] laugh factories all of them i mean this one is about um i will tell you what it's about and then you can

[1:39:52] decide whether you think you have the fortitude for it is about a child who um you know uh kills a bunch of

[1:40:00] his fellow students and uh it is focused on his mother played by tilda swinton who is um shown both

[1:40:09] sort of in the days and years leading up to uh these murders and the time afterwards and showing how

[1:40:18] she's a pariah afterwards blamed by almost everyone who uh you know lives in this community

[1:40:26] and how beforehand she was not happy in her life uh this child kevin was a very difficult child in

[1:40:34] many ways and even from the start she had ambivalent feelings about motherhood and it's just an

[1:40:39] interesting dive into her psyche because you know she obviously like this guy did horrible things but she

[1:40:48] blames herself wonders whether she should blame herself it it it is done in this like fractured style

Stuart Wellington

[1:40:57] this and kevin kevin is presented at least for me almost cartoonishly villainous yes and so i think

Dan McCoy

[1:41:05] part of that too is like that puts you inside her mind like is this real is this just the way she

[1:41:13] sees this child who is uh cruel to her like like where does the cruelty come from is did was it was

[1:41:21] he born with it was it because he could sense somehow that he was unloved you know it's it's a movie that

[1:41:27] asks a lot of very like depressing and interesting questions and puts you in the mind of her she kind of

Stuart Wellington

[1:41:33] dissolves under the weight of them on the other hand it's a movie that postulates the concept that

[1:41:39] tilda swinton and john c reilly would be a couple and i love it so much guys yeah anyway i i thought it

Dan McCoy

[1:41:46] was a great movie and um also like weirdly moving at the ending so uh that's mine uh we need to talk

Stuart Wellington

[1:41:54] about kevin yeah uh i'm gonna recommend a movie that uh that came out a little bit ago on netflix i

[1:42:02] don't think we recommended it yet uh i'm gonna recommend spike lee's new movie defy bloods

[1:42:07] um it's uh part hangout movie part war movie uh part a con you know comment on uh you know the current

[1:42:17] uh well not the current conversation about race um it's a movie uh that talks a lot about the american

[1:42:23] war in vietnam and i think i mean i i am in no position to uh to really comment on how accurate it is

[1:42:33] uh but it feels like it's attempting to uh say something or say something in a different way

[1:42:39] about about that war and uh the you know it's got probably some of the best performances uh from

[1:42:47] uh a group of great actors delroy lindo in particular is incredible um and uh it's great uh and and with the

[1:42:57] uh passing of chadwick boseman uh it makes his performance uh almost like right now like it's

[1:43:04] gut-wrenching just thinking about it um so yeah uh it's it's a little long but i think it's worth the

Elliott Kalan

[1:43:11] trip defy bloods uh as mentioned in the our answers letter cues i'm going to recommend a movie that

[1:43:18] i feel like tries some things that don't really work but there are a number of things that do work

[1:43:22] in it uh and that movie is motherless brooklyn uh the adaptation that edward norton worked on for

[1:43:29] years and years of the book motherless brooklyn and that finally came out last year where it functions

[1:43:35] less as an adaptation of the book and more as a elseworlds story uh for anyone familiar with those

[1:43:42] where the main character from the book has been removed from the original setting and put in the 1950s

[1:43:47] uh and the ambition in it is edward norton is basically trying to use the loosely a fictionalized

[1:43:55] version of the story of robert moses to do like what chinatown did for la for new york and he does not

[1:44:01] succeed in that it is not the chinatown that new york deserves and there are two main issues that i have

[1:44:07] with it one is that uh the main character is a person who's dealing with serious um like

[1:44:13] what's the what's the way to put it uh essentially a form of um

[1:44:18] is it tourettes yeah tourettes yeah i couldn't remember the name of it he's been dealing with

[1:44:22] tourettes and it's something that never really causes him any problems he just kind of he he

[1:44:26] shouts things and can't control himself but nobody it never really gets in it never really seems to

[1:44:32] be a complication in his life just like a colorful character trait yes exactly which feels like it is

[1:44:37] both it is trying to empower a character with threats but it seems feels like it diminishes and

[1:44:42] trivializes the problem but uh the and at the same time it is a movie that is trying to say something

[1:44:46] about racism in american infrastructure planning especially new york infrastructure planning in the

[1:44:51] middle of the 20th century but the characters are so comfortable with characters of other races and

[1:44:57] there's none of the awkwardness that comes between people of different races interacting that you're

[1:45:01] like oh this is a movie about racism by someone who doesn't really seem to like get the experience

[1:45:06] of racism that being said it is a really well-made movie in a lot of ways and there's a lot of great

[1:45:10] sequences in it the score is in it in it is fantastic and if you remove the movie from its ambitions it is

[1:45:17] a really well-made kind of uh well put together kind of mystery uh period movie and i actually enjoyed

[1:45:25] watching it a lot and it was just like you can always feel the gap between what it is attempting

[1:45:30] and what it is pulling off but it's kind of worth watching if just for the score and the costume

[1:45:35] design and the production design of it it looks great does it and charlaine has mentioned interest

Stuart Wellington

[1:45:40] in seeing it but i was i kind of held off because it seemed like it was going to be a big mess

[1:45:44] uh so you're saying i would say you're saying it's not a big mess i think i think it's the thing is

Elliott Kalan

[1:45:50] actually it would be a more exciting movie in some ways if it was more of a mess yeah it is a really

[1:45:55] like competently well-made movie that has a lot of good stuff to it and it fits into this it it feels

[1:46:00] like it wants to be a throwback to movies of the 50s or 70s but it actually is a throwback to movies

[1:46:06] of like the late 80s where it was like you could go to the movie theater and see like a three-star

[1:46:10] suspense thriller yeah and be like oh yeah that was really good there were a lot of good people

Dan McCoy

[1:46:14] in that uh so i mean like that's actually the most effective thing you said because i want to

[1:46:19] return to a time where i could go to the movie theater and just see like a three-star suspense

[1:46:23] thriller yeah i just feel like that's a past era and i like it and and it's kind of i guess i'll watch

Stuart Wellington

[1:46:27] the devil's own it's got harrison ford i mean i think it's i think it's better than the devil's own but

Elliott Kalan

[1:46:33] when you would have a lot of people who are really good at their jobs making a movie that is not

[1:46:37] a a huge movie you know that's what it feels like and so and not doesn't feel like an independent

[1:46:42] movie it feels like a studio movie but uh you know yeah for the days when it was like it feels like a

[1:46:46] movie made in like 1992 you know like 1988 so motherless brooklyn it's not going to change your

Dan McCoy

[1:46:52] life but it's better than you would think well okay guys uh let's close up the flop house for this

[1:47:01] episode i gotta go uh cook some dinner uh i'm doing do we have a second i want to talk a little bit more uh

Stuart Wellington

[1:47:08] uh you guys had mentioned a lot of interest you want to talk more about uh the relationship between

[1:47:13] the astro militarum and the adeptus astartes in the warhammer 40 000 universe you know what just text us

[1:47:19] after uh after the show sure a text maybe a facetime chat or either that that discord channel you guys

Dan McCoy

[1:47:26] keep wanting me to just let me i mean let me sign off before you facetime me again okay i promise i will

[1:47:33] you know i'll i'll i'll uh pick up again i just you know i like to have different files for yeah i mean

Stuart Wellington

[1:47:38] i'm still waiting for mark summers to pick up he's not answering his phone but okay i'll do that

Elliott Kalan

[1:47:42] afterwards i think he's having trouble with that basement situation i would love to hear more about

[1:47:45] the miscum on pestadorum and the and the antipasto balonum yeah that sounds uh it sounds real fun

Dan McCoy

[1:47:51] okay well uh thank you to jordan cowling for uh editing this nonsense thank you to maximum fun for helping us uh

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Elliott Kalan

[1:48:21] appreciate it yeah so help us get the word out tell your mom you need you've been looking for a reason

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Dan McCoy

[1:48:29] like podcasts or movies all right uh for the flop house i've been dan mccoy hey i'm stewart

Elliott Kalan

[1:48:36] wellington hey there elliot kalen saying goodbye bye bye

Stuart Wellington

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