FH Mini 135 - The Movieboys of Summer

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[0:33] Folks it's me Stuart Wellington of the flop house podcast and welcome to another installment of a flop house

[0:40] Mini, that is our off week episodes where instead of watching a bad movie and talking about it

[0:44] We kind of do whatever we want. We've done some silly ones

[0:48] We've done some scary ones and we've done some serious ones

[0:52] And today what we're gonna be doing is closer to these serious ones where I am mainly using this as an opportunity to hang out

[0:59] And talk with my two friends today. We're talking about a weird thing here for the flop house. We're talking about

[1:04] movies

[1:05] So real quick if this is your first time listening to the flop house

[1:09] I am one of the hosts and joining me as always are Dan McCoy

[1:15] And Elliot Kalin, I don't know

[1:19] It was pausing to scroll through his phone for a second

[1:22] I just needed to look through the context remember what my name is. Yeah

[1:26] How do I pronounce that again?

[1:30] I am running for mayor of Los Angeles as we established in previous episodes. Okay, that's canon now we've

[1:38] Cannon down

[1:40] Wow, he's carrying it. How strong is Dan? Very strong. That's also canon now. Uh-huh

[1:46] Chalk it up

[1:48] So yeah put on the whiteboard. So today we're talking about movies and now there's been a fair amount of talk about

[1:54] Lists lately as always if you follow the internet, you remember years ago. I was talking about Schindler's

[2:01] One of them now that the naked guns out everyone wants to revisit Liam Neeson's other comedy work

[2:08] The

[2:11] I'm just goofing

[2:16] So what we're talking about specifically I want to mention the New York Times recently had a

[2:21] 100 best movies of the last 25 years and that encouraged a fair amount of debate on the internet and they even encouraged folks to

[2:29] Put together a list of like their 10 favorite movies from the last 25 years, which of course meant I did it quickly without thinking

[2:36] Yeah

[2:37] But did you guys do you guys are you familiar with this? Did you read the list or anything?

[2:41] I didn't read the list because I am in a fight with the New York Times over their

[2:48] Increasingly bad coverage of the world

[2:51] One news boy keeps waking you up when he throws the newspaper against the door. Yeah, but I did also I felt

[2:58] FOMO I wanted to play so I did make my own letterbox

[3:03] List of what I would put in that that thing

[3:07] I saw that they were doing this and I deliberately did not read it

[3:10] Because I think I thought it would only also FOMO it only reminds me of all the movies

[3:15] I have not had a chance to see because of my busy chaotic life

[3:18] And so I was like, I bet I'm not even have seen half of these

[3:21] It's gonna make me feel like I'm missing out

[3:22] So I'm not I'm not even gonna look at it and I I didn't read the list

[3:26] But I did use it as an opportunity to come up a list of 10 favorites of mine

[3:31] With the additional rules because you know, why not put more rules on it? You love rules. You're a gamester

[3:37] No more than one

[3:38] One entry from any one director because otherwise it would just be all Lord of the Rings movies and Luke Aguadagno

[3:45] That's what I was. That's exactly what I've guessed. It would be all

[3:48] You know, and that's it. That's the

[3:50] the two sides of Stuart a

[3:53] Sensitive guy. I'm basically Sam wise, right?

[3:57] Guy likes going on adventures, but kind of doesn't like going on adventure and Dan. He's the Frodo

[4:01] He's the leader who also like it's pretty complaining about having to be on this adventure

[4:07] Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know, why me man

[4:10] Yeah, cuz I'm nice enough to be able to hold a ring

[4:14] Ring now, I've got to go to a volcano. What the hell is this?

[4:17] Mm-hmm, and I'm of course Marion Pippin smashed into one person. Yeah, actually that that tracks. I'm glad that that's

[4:25] Before any listeners quickly write in and say Elliot's Gollum. That's not fair

[4:30] Only physically only as I age am I becoming gone? Yeah. Yeah, we're all beginning. Oh, you're coughing up hairballs

[4:37] Come on, he's got no hair. What do you say? It's like the least hairy character in the movie

[4:42] Yeah, but he's always caught like that's that's kind of what inspired Andy Serkis is like Gollum

[4:47] Thing was a hairballs, which is kind of crazy. If you think about it, maybe he got it from like eating things with hair

[4:53] Yeah, I guess. Yeah, he's eating little mammals

[4:57] Like fish bones in his throat. Yeah. Yeah. He's always caught because the band's fish bone wandered into the caverns

[5:03] Yeah

[5:09] Okay, so what we're gonna talk about today

[5:12] So we're not gonna talk about our favorite movies of the last 25 years

[5:19] It's part of the setup which is going to take roughly half the podcast

[5:23] But it's just like the games that you place to uh-huh. Yep, we're still in character creation boys

[5:29] We got a we got a fine-tune our characters appearance

[5:34] So we are also recording this kind of in like the middle of summer

[5:39] One would call it the dog days of summer. Would you call it that Dan?

[5:43] Phrase I usually use in my day-to-day. No, cool. Okay

[5:48] I would use it but I was about days da Z. Oh, yeah

[5:52] So, I don't know about you guys

[5:54] but one thing that I always think about during the summer is going to

[5:59] Big summer movies and that's what we're talking about is we're gonna be talking about the big summer movies of the last 25 years now

[6:07] One of the reasons is because I don't know about you guys, but when I was growing up

[6:11] I have very fond like part of what made me love movies was as a kid

[6:17] Going to see I specifically remember at a friend's Lake Lake Cottage going to see this Batman

[6:23] I mean, it wasn't my white college. It was a friend

[6:27] My dad would never splurge on extravagance like a Lake Cottage

[6:32] And they I remember going to see the Tim Burton Batman movie at the like

[6:38] Like old-timey like big movie house like the not, you know a modern multiplex

[6:43] Exactly and I remember seeing I remember seeing Batman there and it had like imprinted in my memory that

[6:50] feeling and the excitement of going to the movies and

[6:54] You were like Nicole Kidman in that moment

[6:56] Exactly heartbreak from seeing the jokester finally get his meet his and felt good in a place like that

[7:03] Do you guys have any fond memories of?

[7:06] Going to the movies obviously I was a kid when I was a kid

[7:09] Do you guys have any fond memories of

[7:12] Going to the movies obviously I know Ellie's gonna say seeing Jurassic Park like ten times in the summer

[7:17] I saw it three days in a row

[7:18] I saw it and I went to when it I went to an 1130 screening the night before it officially opened and then I went

[7:24] To see it after school the next day. So yeah, that's that's a big part of it can grow it like if

[7:29] If childhood Elliot who had seen Jurassic Park two days in a row found out that older Elliot does not have time to see

[7:36] Jurassic Park two days in a row how upset would young Elliot very upset

[7:40] There's a lot of things that

[7:41] Young Elliot would be excited that older Elliot is doing and a lot of things that he'd be disappointed a little bit older Elliot is

[7:47] Not doing but younger Elliot also just would see anything in theaters

[7:50] I also saw Robin Hood men in tights two days in a row twice

[7:54] Wow, so like I had a lot of time on my hands to go to see movies

[7:57] So I saw I remember seeing last of the Mohicans twice in the same day

[8:02] I went to like a birthday party during in the like early part of the day, which is a kind of a weird birthday

[8:09] And then being like this movie fucking rocks

[8:13] I need to see that shit again, and I just win again at night since it was brought up

[8:16] I have a specific men in tights memory, which is that?

[8:20] This is Dan's regular segment men in tights memories

[8:23] Often a little disturbing, but this is a good memory, which is uh, yeah, I my church youth group

[8:32] Did it did a thing one time where they're like we're going to do a marathon of movies and we want you to learn about

[8:39] Judaism, so we're gonna go see Robin Hood

[8:42] we're

[8:44] We're gonna time it out. So

[8:47] You know like we can go from movie to movie

[8:49] So, you know like we can go from movie to movie to movie and we'll see three in a row in the theater

[8:56] Which is like Christmas for me because we never saw movies when I was growing up

[9:00] Let me interject that's the kind of thing

[9:01] My family would do a fair amount is my mom would do that would time it so we would see

[9:05] Two or three movies in one day

[9:07] We just spend the day at the movies

[9:09] But she would pay for tickets for each whereas my dad was the kind of guy who?

[9:12] There was a multiplex near us eventually and he would as a movie was ending

[9:16] He would sneak out and go to the other theaters to see what was starting and scout ahead and he I remember going to see

[9:21] a simple plan with him and he snuck back in theater goes a bugs life is just about to start let's go see that and

[9:27] I was like, I don't know that might be too much tonal

[9:31] Justification for me, I don't know. Well, I'm gonna because you said I'm gonna take a break from this anecdote and go to another

[9:39] Interstitial anecdote, which is like this is a regular Dan McCoy segment called auxiliary anecdote

[9:44] Interrupts one anecdote for another. Yeah. No, it's just my family my parents when I was growing up were

[9:51] Never going to spend the money or the time on taking us out to the movies. They got three rowdy boys

[9:58] Yeah

[10:00] to wrestle under the name of the Rowdy Boys.

[10:01] Yeah.

[10:02] I mean, Rowdy Boy McGaughys.

[10:04] My brothers are 10 and 13 years older than me, so they were gone most of my youth.

[10:11] But you know, by that time, I don't know, they just got into like, we're not going to

[10:15] take people out for for movies.

[10:17] But the one time that I would get to see movies is because I was a movie mad youth as I am

[10:23] a movie mad adult.

[10:24] I would for my birthday and I had a summer birthday.

[10:27] I would want my like party to be like, hey, let's all go out and see a movie like my friends,

[10:33] you know, a few of my friends and I would go out.

[10:35] So I saw Gremlins 2, the new batch on my birthday.

[10:39] That's a party.

[10:40] I saw What About Bob?

[10:42] I saw Maverick.

[10:44] These are all movies that I remember are associated with that rocks.

[10:47] But but that was, you know, a special treat.

[10:50] We normally would not see movies.

[10:53] I remember this youth group thing where it was a we saw first Robin Hood, Men in Tights,

[11:00] followed by The Fugitive, great followed by So I Married an Axe Murderer and Charms.

[11:06] Yeah, I mean, there's a I mean, it's the weakest of the three.

[11:09] I would go with Men in Tights personally.

[11:12] I don't think that's a I don't know.

[11:14] It's fine.

[11:15] It was fun.

[11:16] But you're talking about a movie Elliot saw twice.

[11:19] I feel like if if Mel Brooks's other movies, other better movies did not exist, people

[11:23] would have would have lost their shit over Men in Tights.

[11:26] But maybe, maybe.

[11:27] But in a world with Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein, Men in Tights is a lesser work.

[11:31] Certainly.

[11:32] But it's funny to me that like baseballs every every day, I don't know.

[11:38] Every day I do the box office game online inspired by the our friends over at Blankcheck.

[11:43] There's an online version of the box office game where you try and remember what was on

[11:49] specific weekends at the box office.

[11:52] And whenever I reveal the fugitive and this has happened a few times, I immediately try

[11:58] and blind guess Men in Tights.

[12:00] And so I Married an Axe Murderer because I know for a fact I saw them at the same time.

[12:05] And this strategy has never paid off.

[12:08] I always lose points.

[12:10] I guess they were in and out of the theater so much faster than the fugitive that I have

[12:14] to get the exact right weekend.

[12:17] The Dan McCoy technique doesn't always pay off.

[12:20] Does not work.

[12:21] But he never stops.

[12:22] That's persistence.

[12:23] You know, they say insanity is not doing the same thing over and over again and expecting

[12:27] different results.

[12:28] Yeah.

[12:29] Now, I have a follow up question.

[12:33] When you actually you did bring up What About Bob?

[12:37] And I think my favorite thing about What About Bob is going to see it and being like, this

[12:41] is great.

[12:42] I love this movie.

[12:43] This Bill Murray guy's great.

[12:44] He's from Ghostbusters.

[12:45] And coming home to tell my parents about it.

[12:46] And my mom was like, don't talk about it.

[12:49] Your dad hates Richard Dreyfuss.

[12:50] Like, OK.

[12:51] And at the time, like, why?

[12:54] But now I'm like, oh, it's because he's an asshole.

[12:56] Yeah.

[12:57] I mean, it's a policy that makes more sense now.

[13:00] That was during the time with like to had your dad had a lot of personal encounters

[13:03] with Richard Dreyfuss.

[13:04] No, he just hated him.

[13:05] He probably played like a bad guy in a movie.

[13:07] It's like my parents both hate Paul Reiser because of Aliens.

[13:10] That's so funny.

[13:12] Have you explained the difference between a character and an actor to them yet?

[13:17] I was a child at the time.

[13:18] I didn't even understand it.

[13:19] But also to hate and pay Paul Reiser for a role that is such an outlier in the rest of

[13:24] his acting career is funny to me.

[13:26] But there's so what about Bob came out during the period when my dad most looked like Richard

[13:31] Dreyfuss.

[13:32] And the joke that we had in our family was that you couldn't tell my dad and Richard

[13:35] Dreyfuss apart.

[13:36] And for his birthday that year, my sister made like a nose for a family project.

[13:40] We had a family.

[13:41] Did he ever use that to like pull off a heist?

[13:43] No, unfortunately, no.

[13:44] Or if he did, I didn't see any of the money.

[13:46] But we had a family project and my sister did a thing about how my dad looks like Richard

[13:50] Dreyfuss.

[13:51] And she just cut the faces of Richard Dreyfuss from the back of the What About Bob VHS box

[13:55] out and was like, can you tell the difference between my dad and Richard Dreyfuss?

[13:58] And people were like, I think your dad.

[14:00] That's him.

[14:01] Right.

[14:02] Like they really thought he was he was one of them.

[14:03] But that for his for my dad's 70th birthday, I made like a PowerPoint for him.

[14:07] And a big chunk of it was about his his double life as Richard Dreyfuss in the 1970s and

[14:11] 80s.

[14:13] It's like you don't see you don't see Richard Dreyfuss in movies that much anymore.

[14:16] Well, my dad's been pretty busy, but but anyway, so I can't help thinking about what about

[14:20] Bob without thinking about my dad, too.

[14:22] Now, talking about going to the movies, I remember, Dan, you know, you your family with

[14:27] three boys and maybe your maybe that factored into your parents not wanting to take you

[14:32] all out to movies.

[14:34] I remember my close friend who I'm sure I've mentioned on the podcast before, who was also

[14:39] my college roommate, Casey Crowe, was the eldest of four brothers.

[14:43] And any time I would go with them to the movies, their mother would pack everybody would like

[14:48] pre pop popcorn for everyone and we would sneak our own popcorn in, which was not something

[14:54] my family did.

[14:55] I think part of it is because, you know, you got to feed three or four hungry boys plus

[14:59] a steward.

[15:00] And I was a hungry boy back then.

[15:02] That's five boys.

[15:04] Did your did you guys sneak like Elliot mentioned sneaking into other movies or buying a ticket

[15:09] to other movies?

[15:10] Did you bring in your outside snacks?

[15:13] There's no no cops are going to drag you away.

[15:15] I think that's a pretty funny thing.

[15:17] It's over.

[15:18] Yeah, I don't recall ever doing it.

[15:20] We definitely would never buy snacks because that would be too expensive.

[15:23] But I don't remember us either sneaking them in because we're a family of rule followers

[15:28] and that would not be allowed.

[15:33] We were the opposite.

[15:34] We're a family of criminals and gonads.

[15:35] And so almost every movie, my dad would be like, pop a bag of popcorn, put it under your

[15:40] coat.

[15:41] And I would say, can I have a soda?

[15:42] He goes, I already brought some soda.

[15:43] And he put out like a warm diet Coke in a can like, great.

[15:46] Once we wanted candy, there's a bag in my pants.

[15:50] It's OK.

[15:51] I brought some candy from a meeting I had earlier today.

[15:53] And he had like a couple of warm dove chocolates that they must have had in a bowl in whatever

[15:57] place he was.

[15:58] He was pitching a marketing campaign, too.

[16:00] So we were very much a sneak your food into the theater type of family.

[16:04] This is like a Paul Giamatti character in the story of Elliot's life.

[16:10] He'd take us to a drugstore ahead of time so we could get bigger candy bars for less

[16:14] money than the ones at the movie theater.

[16:16] And he'd always be like, see, look at the price difference.

[16:19] You shouldn't have to pay that much to the theater.

[16:21] You just pick something up ahead of time.

[16:22] And the way I've responded to this is that whenever I take my boys to the movie theater,

[16:25] we always buy the biggest possible popcorn.

[16:28] You know, it's like, take that, dad.

[16:29] I'm going to spend the money you wouldn't spend.

[16:31] And then we eat too much and our tummies hurt.

[16:33] You get to collect this popcorn carrier that you have to, I don't know, get shipped back

[16:39] to your home.

[16:40] That's the thing.

[16:41] I never splurge for the collectible bucket, but more just because I know it's going to

[16:44] just hang around my house until eventually my wife throws it out.

[16:47] Like it's not it's not going to get put on a shelf as a trophy or anything.

[16:50] It's not going to be one of those things that like 10 years from now, your sons are going

[16:54] to be like, I found this thing.

[16:55] It's incredible.

[16:56] Yeah, I don't think so.

[16:58] Yeah, I remember.

[16:59] This is this popcorn bucket.

[17:00] It's got these weird spines on it.

[17:01] You can put your penis into it.

[17:03] Oh, that's a dune popcorn bucket.

[17:05] Don't put your penis in that.

[17:06] I saved one of these recent Ghostbusters cups to give to Elliot.

[17:13] And then I said, oh, sorry, I forgot.

[17:15] I'd save this cup.

[17:16] He's like, that's fine.

[17:17] I don't want it.

[17:18] It would just chuck up the house.

[17:21] We can't already.

[17:22] We have too many cups for our cupboard.

[17:23] Our cupboard is overflowing with cups, you know.

[17:28] You might as well just throw out some of those cups and keep the one Dan gave you.

[17:30] But that's my two cents.

[17:33] That was Stuart's interstitial segment.

[17:36] Yeah, my two cents.

[17:37] It's always a surprise segment.

[17:38] He doesn't announce it till after he's already done it.

[17:41] Yeah.

[17:42] So we've talked a little bit about nostalgia.

[17:43] And I feel like when we talk about some of these big movies, I feel like nostalgia is

[17:47] going to play a large part.

[17:48] Nostalgia and sequels and the Disney company.

[17:52] But I have compiled a list using the Internet of the number one summer movie of each year

[18:02] of the last 24ish years.

[18:07] I did put the criteria that this is movies that came out between Memorial Day to Labor

[18:13] Day.

[18:14] Right.

[18:15] So not including the summer kickoff movie, which in many cases was a bigger release than

[18:21] the big summer movies of these years.

[18:23] I'll give you an opportunity to guess some of these.

[18:26] We're going to start.

[18:27] We're going to start way back in 2001 and we'll do a couple of those maybe and then

[18:30] jump forward.

[18:31] So can you guys can you guys guess at what the number like the big this just in terms

[18:37] of box office performance, the number one summer movie of 2001 is?

[18:43] You're starting exactly at the point where like my memory of these things starts falling

[18:49] off because it was much more important to me in childhood or like looms larger in my

[18:55] memory than like when I started actually going to the movies more often myself.

[19:00] I mean, you were I mean, also, you were having sex by that point, Dan, so you had other things

[19:04] on your mind in 2001.

[19:06] Well, maybe not 2001, but certainly by 2004, excuse me.

[19:10] Yes, I was.

[19:12] Thank you.

[19:13] OK, if you say so.

[19:16] I mean, there's no data.

[19:17] You haven't provided any proof.

[19:18] So just your word.

[19:19] Yeah.

[19:20] I think I need to see some receipts.

[19:21] I think they kicked off in 97, if I recall correctly.

[19:24] Oh, OK.

[19:25] Well, let's check the tape.

[19:26] You were taping me.

[19:29] Yeah.

[19:30] Yep.

[19:31] OK.

[19:32] Can you guys you want to get out or do you just want me to blow your mind?

[19:35] Yeah.

[19:36] Blow my mind.

[19:37] Yeah.

[19:38] Yeah.

[19:39] Give us a big.

[19:40] This is a sequel and it stars a beloved longtime action star and a somewhat beloved, beloved

[19:46] comedy performer.

[19:48] Oh, I see.

[19:49] This is I think we need.

[19:50] Yeah.

[19:51] I need some information.

[19:52] Well, I know it's not Judge Dredd, which started Sylvester Stallone and Rob Schneider.

[19:55] It's not Speed 2 Cruise Control.

[19:58] No, but you are.

[20:00] Very close to the both theme of the title and the sequel number.

[20:06] So close to two or is it two?

[20:12] Is that giving away too much?

[20:13] I guess I'll say too much is correct.

[20:16] It is two. Yeah.

[20:17] So it's a second movie.

[20:19] Let's see. 2001.

[20:21] But you were close with Speed.

[20:24] It's not the Matrix, right?

[20:25] Because there's no comedian in that. Nope.

[20:29] I'm going to jump right in here, guys.

[20:31] Yeah, we're talking Rush Hour 2, the big summer movie.

[20:34] Honestly, I have forgotten the Rush Hour franchise, and that is on me.

[20:39] They were huge movies.

[20:40] I saw them in the theaters.

[20:41] If you asked me to name action comedies of the early 2000s,

[20:44] I think I would have forgotten the Rush Hour movies.

[20:46] Yeah. And in fact, if you are to stream them, I would remember Shanghai Nights

[20:50] possibly over in Shanghai Noon over Rush Hour,

[20:53] if only because the titles are more memorable.

[20:54] I think if you I don't know if it's both, but I can't remember

[20:57] which streaming platform has the rights right now.

[20:59] But before the movie, there's a disclaimer about like,

[21:03] hey, there's some jokes in here that are fucked up. Really?

[21:06] Yeah. Because there are.

[21:08] And having having, I think, recently rewatched them

[21:12] for, I don't know, reasons because they were as entertainment.

[21:15] Yeah. Entertainment reasons.

[21:17] The summer kickoff movie, the big summer kickoff movie, of course,

[21:21] Dan's favorite animated movie of all time.

[21:24] That's right. Shrek.

[21:27] Shrek crushed it.

[21:29] Yeah, that was the biggest movie of the year, I think. Right.

[21:31] Yeah. Shrek. No.

[21:33] Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone was the next movie of the year.

[21:35] But but Shrek has been number two, right?

[21:38] Yes. Number two, followed by Monsters, Inc.

[21:41] And then Rush Hour two.

[21:42] And then the other big summer movie.

[21:44] Well, this is a pre-summer movie.

[21:45] The Mummy Returns. Oh, yeah.

[21:48] OK. He did. He did return.

[21:50] He's back again.

[21:52] Let's jump in. Let's jump to the next year.

[21:54] We got 2002.

[21:56] Of course, the big summer kickoff movie.

[21:58] We had two huge summer kickoff movies the year.

[22:01] That's the summer of Spider-Man, right?

[22:03] That first Spider-Man that.

[22:05] Yep. Early, late, early May.

[22:07] We have Spider-Man followed closely by Attack of the Clones.

[22:12] But the big summer release, like actually in summer release,

[22:18] is an outlier.

[22:20] This is also Walt Disney Studios.

[22:23] Hmm. It is that is a movie with some pee rats in it.

[22:28] No. Oh, that's close.

[22:30] You're close. OK. It is it.

[22:33] It is a director who has been featured on the Flophouse multiple times.

[22:38] OK, Neil Breen.

[22:39] So what movie did Neil Breen make for the Disney Studios?

[22:42] Yeah. There's been so many repeat offenders.

[22:47] Is it a Robert Zemeckis movie?

[22:50] No, there is aliens in it.

[22:53] There is it. And this movie that did well.

[22:59] It did. It was the number four movie of the year

[23:02] and the biggest movie in the actual summertime.

[23:05] Oh, wow. 2002.

[23:09] Oh. Guys, if you're not reading the sign.

[23:14] Oh, yeah. It was signs, baby signs.

[23:17] Yeah, that was a huge movie.

[23:19] And I forget how big that movie was.

[23:21] But also, obviously, as you said, yeah, the summer kickoff movies were huge

[23:25] between Spider-Man and Attack of the Clones.

[23:27] In a year where Spider-Man and Attack of the Clones came out,

[23:29] it's hard to remember that signs also did well.

[23:32] Yeah. And also, I feel like there was probably with those two movies coming out,

[23:35] there was a little bit of like, whoa, OK, let's push some shit.

[23:38] Yes, I think you're right.

[23:39] But it is kind of interesting that this is that this is Disney's

[23:43] first entry in the list where they will be dominating

[23:46] basically the rest of the next 20 years.

[23:48] I would not have known that was a Disney picture.

[23:53] The number one mouse is in it.

[23:56] The number five movie of that year,

[23:59] which was also a spring release from IFC Films.

[24:03] My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

[24:05] You know, yeah, huge hit. Huge hit.

[24:07] Yeah, just sustained for weeks and weeks and weeks. Yeah.

[24:11] OK, let's go to 2003.

[24:13] And yet we got a double dose of delicious Disney action.

[24:17] Oh, wow.

[24:18] Elliot was already on on board with one.

[24:20] Can you guess the other one?

[24:22] Also, Aquatic.

[24:24] OK, so we know the first one was Sea of the Sea.

[24:27] Sea of the BP.

[24:28] The number two movie of the year.

[24:30] Yeah. Wait, what?

[24:31] So is it Finding Nemo?

[24:33] It is Finding Nemo.

[24:35] That's a double.

[24:35] Man, that's a big summer for for Disney.

[24:39] For the ocean. Yeah.

[24:40] They they beat out.

[24:41] They beat out. The ocean was huge back then.

[24:44] They beat out the Matrix Reloaded.

[24:47] They beat out Return of the King.

[24:49] They beat out Bruce Almighty.

[24:51] Dan, he is almighty.

[24:53] Except on this list, he literally has the power of a god,

[24:56] but not the power to rule the box office.

[24:58] And X2 X-Men United.

[25:01] Yeah, a movie that despite

[25:04] even seeing it in the very front row and having to crane my neck up

[25:08] didn't spoil it for me.

[25:09] I still enjoyed it very much.

[25:12] Shocked. Shocked to say that

[25:13] though this did not, this movie was obviously in the shadow of those first two.

[25:20] Bad Boys 2 gave a pretty good representation in the summer in at number 10.

[25:25] It's hard for a movie like Bad Boys 2 to match the box office of a movie

[25:28] like Finding Nemo, because there's a large segment of the movie

[25:31] population that is not going to Bad Boys 2.

[25:34] Because they don't want to see two rat puppets having sex, Elliot.

[25:36] Exactly. That's my memory.

[25:38] Bad Boys 2 came out so much later than X2.

[25:41] It's not interesting.

[25:42] It just always boggles my mind the way that something you think about a lot

[25:45] is the order of the X-Men and Bad Boys movies.

[25:47] Yeah. Now, in relation to one another, where were they?

[25:51] Where where where do the matrices intertwine?

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[28:36] 2004, the big summer movie

[28:40] ends up at number two in the list because the summer was already kicked off

[28:44] by a little movie called Shrek 2.

[28:47] Do you know Shrek?

[28:48] Yeah, more Shrek.

[28:49] But the big summer movie to Shrek 2 Furious.

[28:53] The big summer movie was also a sequel of a movie we've already talked about.

[28:59] Already talked about that.

[29:01] Hmm. Another Pirates movie.

[29:05] Uh, maybe the next year.

[29:07] That'd be pretty fast. Pretty fast.

[29:08] Well, I didn't. It came out pretty quick.

[29:11] It wasn't Spider-Man 2, right?

[29:12] It is Spider-Man 2 still arguably the best superhero movie of all time.

[29:18] Strong argument. Very strong argument for that. It's great.

[29:22] And then number three movie that year came out in February.

[29:26] Unfortunately, we're talking Passion of the Christ.

[29:31] We don't have to for long.

[29:32] I mean, he's he's a superhero in his own way.

[29:34] Yeah, in a way.

[29:36] And there are some other big movies, obviously.

[29:39] Harry Potter, The Incredibles came out in the fall.

[29:43] Day After Tomorrow was a big that was the big Memorial Day

[29:47] Memorial Day release.

[29:49] A movie I still have never seen.

[29:50] That's a never see the day.

[29:52] I've also never seen the day after tomorrow.

[29:53] Is it are we missing out, Dan?

[29:55] I mean, it is one of my favorite dumb disaster movies.

[30:00] like it is that Jake Gyllenhaal yeah it's really silly like there's a scene where he like outruns

[30:05] cold as it goes down the hall that's the thing i've heard about but i i feel like after moonfall

[30:10] it's there's such a high bar for silly dumb uh disaster movies well this one has less uh you

[30:16] know sucky Elon Musk's dick in it so oh yeah fair that's an advantage oh man a unpleasant image

[30:24] conjured by dan's words um okay we got 2005 here folks um and our big summer movie this one is not

[30:32] a sequel that's it's an outlier most of these are gonna be sequels and this is from uh paramount

[30:38] pictures it does star uh one of the last remaining movie stars and it does have uh a let's say a

[30:48] notable director who knows a thing or two about blockbusters so let's start wait from the

[30:54] beginning it is a it is a sequel or not a sequel not a sequel not a sequel has an old school movie

[30:59] star in it is it uh is it a tom hanks picture no but you have one of the names correct is it a

[31:08] okay uh geez what did he make that wasn't a sequel in this does he make movies that aren't sequels

[31:16] a war of the worlds it's war of the worlds guys number three movie of that year that's a

[31:21] have you seen it it's good right i mean i haven't seen sound design wise it's incredible great i

[31:26] haven't seen it since it was in the theaters but i remember very i remember two things about seeing

[31:30] it i went i remember if i remember correctly i went with uh our friend of the show she's never

[31:35] been on the show but friend of two of us lauren sarver and i remember both getting really pissed

[31:40] that someone in front of me spilled their soda and it got all over my backpack which is on the floor

[31:44] but also watching it in new york only a few years after september 11th i was like this movie is

[31:50] really capturing how scary it felt to be in a place that's under attack on a certain day that's

[31:56] a scary like i was just amazed that war of the worlds is a genuinely scary movie which i did not

[32:00] expect yeah so yeah it's really good the ending is silly the ending is very silly where yeah he

[32:06] manages to find the one place that the aliens didn't bother to go and everyone's fine but you

[32:09] know now most of this list in 2005 uh the this is the top movies of the year it's filled with

[32:16] your regular franchise stuff sequels etc but then at number five we get one of the last big

[32:22] theatrical comedy successes dan's favorite movie wedding crashers

[32:29] but this was like that like heyday of like the like big screen yeah and i you know i i did find

[32:37] that movie very funny at the time but i i think it probably has not aged particularly well you

[32:41] especially like that john mccain was was appearing in a movie right that's right finally let's get

[32:46] that charisma on the big screen i mean i think it succeeds in large part to to the charisma of

[32:52] john mccain and also vaughn and uh owen wilson yeah um okay so that was 2005 let's go to 2006

[33:01] guys we don't we're not we'll jump ahead in a second um we got this is another there's another

[33:06] big double whammy for disney the top two movies and also it bears a fair amount of resemblance to

[33:12] a couple years ago where they had the top two where one's an animated and one is not animated

[33:18] can you guess what those two movies were is is one of them a pirates of the caribbean sequel

[33:23] you're correct pirates of the caribbean dead man's chest dead man's chest i cannot remember

[33:27] what order they go in arguably a high watermark in digital animation oh is that the one with davy

[33:33] jones and yes yeah yeah that yeah that that's amazing that's still amazing yeah and and stellen

[33:38] skarsgård insisting on being in full prosthetics instead of being a digital character and he's the

[33:43] only one is the other one a toy story sequel nope but is it a sequel or not a sequel not a sequel

[33:51] i thought you said the other one was an animated sequel sorry it's an animated film animated film

[33:56] from disney huge hit uh show me guys elliot you uh i hope your family doesn't listen this

[34:04] podcast because it's cars oh yeah yeah i will say my my boys are not as are not as enamored

[34:11] of the car series as they once were they used to be obsessed with it at one point yeah uh yeah

[34:15] that's too bad it's too bad they they've given up on on cars and send you a condolence card

[34:22] a condolence card yeah okay i mean they found out they found other things that i don't enjoy

[34:27] that much that they can that they can put their interest into like sports yeah i mean for the

[34:32] older one yeah very much so we are going to i would say we're going to jump ahead to 2020

[34:38] okay but we can't because there was no summer releases i guess what like 1917 i don't know

[34:44] what oh right what would have been the big 2020 summer i remember that year uh that was a bad

[34:49] year on the tenant was in there yeah i mean tenet was that that was the movie that was supposed to

[34:55] bring back people right yeah or was it the last one before or shut down i can't remember no it

[35:02] came no it was it was like one of the first ones that you could see in theaters uh if you were

[35:08] september 3rd going to risk doing so i eventually saw it later yeah because i did not see it there's

[35:16] the time and for a while it was the gaping uh missing piece in the christopher nolan filmography

[35:21] that i had not seen and i finally saw it i was like hmm well i'm glad i didn't risk death to see

[35:26] this movie yeah yeah i i will say i saw it um you know like it went pretty quickly to hbo because

[35:33] for obvious reasons i saw on hbo i'm like no thank you christopher nolan this is you've gone too far

[35:39] from you this time and then i did actually see the re-release when like they put it back into

[35:44] theaters because i bet it's better in a theater it's so much better like i really actually did

[35:49] enjoy it in that context while still being like yeah people are right like this is better the

[35:54] less you think about it but on a sure as sheer like weird spectacle yeah it's enjoyable i i like

[36:01] it a lot it's grown on me quite a bit uh when i first watched it we uh i think we rented it

[36:07] and uh that was the day where charlene and i'd been working so much and we're like you know what

[36:11] let's just take a day watch this like dumb big movie that stewart's been wanting to watch and we

[36:16] will turn our we'll put our phones in the other room and we'll actually just watch a movie and

[36:22] unfortunately that day was january 6th so it was a complicated it was a complicated day so it uh it

[36:30] kind of tweaked my opinion of tenant i do love every time i watch it few lines in a big action

[36:37] movie have made me laugh as hard as when they're describing the consequences of what could happen

[36:43] if they keep messing around with all this time crap and elizabeth and they're like it could just

[36:48] cause i don't know the complete destruction of the universe and uh and elizabeth debicki's like

[36:53] including my son it's so fucking funny by the way i do think that the movie should have been

[37:00] called time crap i mean no that would be better yeah but it's not it's not a palindrome yeah yeah

[37:06] i mean the top the top movies of 2020 were bad boys for life okay finally on top even though bad

[37:12] boys 2 couldn't cut it and even though that was i would say the high watermark of the franchise

[37:16] no no family movies stealing stealing that money pie from that 1917 and then sonic the hedgehog

[37:22] and jumanji the next level uh and rise of skywalkers in here too unfortunately uh birds of

[37:28] prey is number six do little wow i didn't know birds of prey did that well yeah little women

[37:34] little women did pretty well unfortunately any woman any movie that stars women has to make 700

[37:40] times its budget yeah to be considered a success so that's why they didn't make any more of those

[37:44] yeah so in a looking through this list there's a ton of franchise things and there's a ton

[37:50] of sequels uh we we do have a uh we do have an outlier in uh 2023 i feel like you guys should

[38:00] be able to guess this pretty easily do you know what the biggest summer blockbuster success was

[38:05] of 2023 was that years ago what do i remember from then oh yeah you know this guys i was it

[38:13] i feel like and it's not a sequel it's not a sequel so it's not like was that when barbie

[38:20] came out it's barbie barbie barbie huge movie and now now that you guys are screenwriters i'm sure

[38:26] you know that all you have to do is pitch uh auteur driven versions of i don't know products

[38:34] now that's based on products i'm a screenwriter yeah you're a screenwriter i mean you don't need

[38:38] to be paid to be a screenwriter you just have to call yourself a screenwriter yeah i'm aspiring

[38:42] um yeah no you're not aspiring you're a screenwriter i don't know what spiring but

[38:47] they what a spirer does spidering yeah that's what the madden web screenwriter calls themselves

[38:53] so you're saying so so all you need um you can have a big hit based on that's an original

[38:58] non-franchise movie as long as it's based on a pre-existing ip that everybody already knows about

[39:03] yeah that also was uh based you know tied in with some fairly successful viral marketing yeah oh

[39:10] they did a great job marketing uh yeah and then the rest of this well like just glancing through

[39:15] these we got uh you know uh there's a couple of transformers movies on here one and two

[39:21] uh the dark knight dark knight rises yeah uh despicable me too have you watched i haven't

[39:27] watched a single despicable me related thing i watched the first one those are the movies that

[39:33] my kids they they love the minions they like the grew based despicable me ones well enough

[39:40] i've only seen i've like seen some of the first one and i've seen the sequels that i took the

[39:45] boys to go see but uh they're now at the they're now at the place where if we let them pick the

[39:50] music we're gonna listen to in the car they want to hear the minions versions of other songs which

[39:56] this minions bop what is this called it's i don't know what exactly we'd call

[40:00] But it's like, you know, they they just I'm saying the word banana or whatever in the in the to the tune of other songs

[40:05] You know, I mean that I feel like you probably listen to

[40:10] Comedy cassette tapes that were not too far from that

[40:15] Like what what sounds like perfect day by Lou Reed or yeah

[40:19] Yeah, yeah

[40:26] Yeah a lot a lot of a lot of Captain Beefheart, yeah, yeah a couple of these I

[40:32] Haven't actually seen Jurassic world's on here. I never actually got around to seeing that

[40:37] Oh, well, I will damn it with the faint praise that of the world movies. It's the best one

[40:42] Okay, did you see the most recent high phrase because almost all movies take place in this world?

[40:47] Yeah, thanks, I did not see the most reason when I'm amazed at how little interest we got

[40:54] Finding Dory is on the list. I haven't seen that one. I'm assuming it's under I

[40:59] Really like Finding Dory, but I may have mentioned on the podcast before I can't remember

[41:03] I found it very meaningful to me because I saw it

[41:07] sort of shortly after

[41:10] my divorce and

[41:12] Felt like you know, it's a movie about someone who feels like

[41:17] You know, like they can't survive out in the world alone striking out on their own and learning that they can

[41:25] Figure out how to make it work. And so I found it meaningful in a personal way that like hit me surprisingly hard

[41:32] So it's almost like finding Danny. Mm-hmm Wow

[41:37] Now I was here all along

[41:41] It's it's it's yes, I've got to find Danny and then you look at yourself in the mirror and you go Dan I was here

[41:47] Oh, there he is. Is that what happens?

[41:51] Shut up shut up, uh, we got Wonder Woman for

[41:55] 2017 I never finished watching Wonder Woman. Should I finish it at any day? Houston's the bad guy

[42:00] Um, I mean I saw some of the Danny Houston stuff it back at all. So David Douglas is the other bad guy

[42:06] I feel like very end of it is kind of the weakest part. So you probably saw I do love that

[42:12] They they're like, we're gonna put David Thouless in here is just a guy and I'm like, no

[42:21] The only way he's just a guy is if he's surrounded by hyena men

[42:27] Incredibles 2

[42:29] You know movie it's a fun one Dan you have said you had opinions about the mom's butt

[42:37] Not that I would put in a sort of a national magazine

[42:40] Yeah, I think it's success was due to what Rex Reed who wrote that Anthony Lane Anthony Lane. Sorry

[42:47] Morning on Maine Anthony Lane

[42:49] 2019 we had and I think this ties in with a recent flop house movie

[42:54] The Lion King. This is the digital remake a movie

[42:58] I utterly forget exists like we talked about the box-office game earlier. Like that's one of those ones where I'm like, oh

[43:04] Yeah

[43:08] 2021 we got Black Widow. I think everyone's like just give me a Marvel or something after

[43:13] 2020 had nothing and then

[43:16] 2022 I'm surprised

[43:17] 21 was was that they're saying that that was the highest grossing movie this summer like of this summer

[43:22] So that was the movie that literally Scarlett Johansson sued Disney saying this movie should have made more money

[43:28] But you release it on Disney Plus at the same time. It went out in theaters

[43:30] Yeah, but I mean it was just I mean there was that was a particularly us another bad year of the box office

[43:36] But luckily 2022 it was saved movies are back, baby

[43:41] Can you guys guess what the big movie of the summer was?

[43:45] 2022

[43:46] Movies are back. You got to go to the theater for this

[43:51] Give us a hint. You gotta get us. Well, it stars a bona fide movie star. Mm-hmm

[43:58] Is it is it a is it Top Gun Maverick it is Top Gun Maverick

[44:02] Oh, yeah, and then we're gonna close this out 2024 was another Pixar sequel inside out to another movie

[44:09] I have not seen should I even further inside out?

[44:14] Insider outer it's all right. Yeah, I mean like it's fine. I don't know like as someone who

[44:22] Respects the original inside out more than I actually think it's one of the top Pixar movies like this one is

[44:28] Hitting the same beats like it like the Pixar movie from recent years that I really loved was turning red

[44:34] Which of course it's great just got dumped to Disney Plus, but it's great. Yeah still some of the best original

[44:41] Like suit like fake pop songs in a movie. Yeah, what four town or five town?

[44:46] What is it for town with five guys in inside out to if you like inside out you'll get more

[44:51] Of that in inside out. Yeah, but the the highest praise I've heard about it really was from my older son when we went to see

[44:57] It Rafferty said there was a lot more hockey in that movie than I expected. I like that

[45:04] I feel like looking through this list. It looks like

[45:07] Obviously one of the big things is that I seem to care less about the big summer movies than I used to

[45:13] Whether it's the quality or that my life is different and I'm a grown-up man

[45:17] I think it's probably a little bit of both. I think there's something less

[45:20] We it is less it we have much more important things to think about so it's harder to use as much brain space on summer

[45:25] movies

[45:26] But also like just looking back at I mean there were plenty of sequels in what you started talking about back then

[45:31] But there was still it's like a lot more kind of like

[45:35] Different things going on the fact that I'm not the biggest fan of my big fat Greek wedding particularly

[45:41] But the fact that that was like a huge hit movie just knowing it's like that's exciting to me that like that's not I mean

[45:46] Eventually, they turn that into a franchise too. But like it's such a different thing then

[45:50] As much as I have heard good things about Superman and Fantastic Four

[45:53] I haven't seen them yet. Like it's the same. It's more more of that stuff

[45:57] Yeah, I mean as much as when we were growing up, you know, the critics would decry like Oh big blockbuster empty

[46:05] culture like we

[46:07] It was the Golden Age for that kind of like the summer movie season like you could like map out like Oh

[46:14] These three big releases are on the same weekend and then that's gonna happen and keep happening through the pull up your entertainment weekly

[46:23] Circle things you want to see entertainment weekly VHS tape of the trailers for the big summer releases and watch it over and over again

[46:30] Yeah

[46:31] But now yeah, it's like it's mostly

[46:36] superhero films or

[46:39] Animated children things like the same might be over and over you were

[46:44] Reduced. Yeah

[46:47] I mean, they are doing a new Highlander movie with Henry Cavill. I think nice

[46:54] I

[46:55] Think he's gonna play. I don't know probably Connor McLeod

[47:00] Duncan McLeod, I can't remember which McLeod Scott McLeod the author of

[47:05] understanding Congress

[47:08] Okay, so that was kind of that was kind of it do you guys have any parting comments or thoughts about the summer movie season

[47:16] I mean, I do you have any favorites from this summer Dan?

[47:21] This summer I mean, I guess in terms of every movie Dan so don't pretend you don't know what they are

[47:26] No, I'm in terms of like the traditional

[47:30] blockbuster type of thing I you know Superman

[47:34] Delivered for me. It's great. Yeah, and fantastic for you. See that one. Yeah, that was fine

[47:39] You know, it's it suffers from like late periods

[47:43] Marvel sort of not being that exciting but it's fine

[47:47] I think here's something that I don't get the same rush about summer movies as I used to but I think it's partly more from

[47:54] Growing up in the summer not meaning what it used to to me when you're a kid and even when you're in college still

[47:58] The summer is like a different

[48:00] Substantially distinct part of the year that is special. It's different

[48:05] It feel like your responsibilities are less you have more time to have fun and now as an adult

[48:10] I don't know if you guys feel the same way

[48:11] It just feels like the whole year is just one slurry like it's August 1st and it still kind of feels like it's April

[48:17] You know and when it soon it's gonna be November and it's just gonna be all the same shit for

[48:23] 365 days then it's not even 2026 is just gonna feel like

[48:27] 2025 just kind of like slopped over into it another number

[48:30] So maybe that's what I miss more is like the feeling of time being split up into discreet different interesting sections

[48:41] Things to look forward to yeah, it hadn't been beaten out of you

[48:45] Yeah, when we were I feel like maybe this maybe this was just being young but maybe as a cultural thing

[48:49] I feel like when the summer came it was like ooh exciting or when a new year started. Oh, what's gonna happen?

[48:54] And now I just feel like it's how oh boy. Here's another here's more time for something bad to happen. You know, yeah

[49:02] continues the cavalcade of

[49:04] Miseries that were subjected to so did I manage to end the episode on a high note? I love it

[49:08] So we've been talking about we've been talking about summer movie memories and if you're listening

[49:14] Why don't you head over to the Flophouse Instagram account and on the post for this episode?

[49:20] Why don't you throw in one of your favorite memories into the comments and I will try and read it on a future episode

[49:26] My favorites not all of them just my favorites

[49:30] Then we don't get any and you're like correction. I will now read all of them

[49:36] And if we get none, I'll just make something up probably about farting in a movie theater and everybody barfing over it or something

[49:45] Nobody can steal that TM. I still I just wrote that. Um, okay

[49:51] Okay

[49:53] So this is I come up with something that good hmm, this has been a mini episode

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FH Mini 135 - The Movieboys of Summer

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