Ep. #328 - Happy Halloween, Scooby Doo!, with Justin McElroy

Elliott Kalan

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo!

[0:05] That's right, it's our special annual Thanksgiving Halloween episode!

[0:30] Hey everyone, welcome to the Flophouse, I'm Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[0:39] I'm Stuart Wellington, you Shocktober freaks!

Elliott Kalan

[0:43] Stuart, no, no, I think you're under a misapprehension of what time of the year it is.

[0:47] Wait, what's the name of the movie we watched?

[0:49] The name was Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo, I'm Elliot Kalin.

[0:52] This is actually November, this episode.

Stuart Wellington

[0:54] And joining us this time is podcaster, author, YouTuber, journalist,

[1:03] Woodworker, voice actor.

[1:05] Number one Sheets customer, Justin McElroy.

Justin McElroy

[1:10] What an honor, I am such a fan of you guys.

[1:13] You guys have got me through some real tough spells of mental health,

[1:18] just turning through your shows, I can't believe I'm here,

[1:22] Can't believe I've made it, looks like I've finally made it, and here I am.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26] Looks like you made it, look how far you've come, my thing.

Dan McCoy

[1:31] I like you pretending that you're not doing a favor for us.

[1:34] None of that was a joke, I love this show.

Elliott Kalan

[1:37] Oh, okay.

[1:37] No, this is a bit Dan does where he offends the guest immediately.

Stuart Wellington

[1:42] He's like, why do you like the show, idiot?

[1:45] I'm not offended, it's a great...

Dan McCoy

[1:47] Hey, dickface, why do you like our show so much, stupid?

[1:50] I know he likes the show, I just, it is very nice of him to come.

Justin McElroy

[1:53] You can enjoy a favor, like if you help a friend move,

[1:58] but all their furniture is like really squishy and fun,

[2:01] it turns out like, oh, I'm actually enjoying this, this isn't that heavy,

[2:06] it's fun to play with.

Stuart Wellington

[2:07] That's usually what I ask my friends when I agree to help them move,

[2:10] is the squishiness of their furniture.

Elliott Kalan

[2:11] I have two questions, I say, one, is the furniture squishy,

[2:14] and two, is it like just soft or is it moist?

[2:17] Because I'd rather not carry the moist stuff.

[2:19] It's dummy and edible, I can really walk his factory.

[2:21] So my hands are going to be really sticky at the end of it.

[2:24] Oh, really wonka's friends must have hated so much when they had to help him move,

[2:27] and they're like, just use the Oompa Loompas.

[2:29] And he's like, they're not slaves, they work for me.

[2:31] I can't just use them for my personal moving.

Stuart Wellington

[2:33] Yeah, and he's like, why are you moving out in August of all months?

Elliott Kalan

[2:37] All your candy furniture is going to melt in the truck.

[2:39] Why are you moving now?

Dan McCoy

[2:41] Well, this does bring up a key problem with the factory,

[2:45] is that that room that's all just candy must, you know,

[2:48] just attract a tremendous amount of lint,

[2:51] like small dead insects or live insects stuck to the candy.

Justin McElroy

[2:57] Yeah, he doesn't brace Charlie for it.

[3:00] And did you ever hear what happened to the man who got everything he ever wanted?

[3:04] What?

[3:05] For six months, he was really worked up about flies.

[3:08] Six months of a year, it just flies, flies, flies, flies, flies.

[3:12] It is a big problem.

[3:13] You will not enjoy that time.

[3:14] Close it up, go to Aruba.

[3:16] You will not like that time.

Elliott Kalan

[3:17] And he goes, Charlie, I know what you're thinking.

[3:20] You just package that candy with flies on it and call it Wonka Bar Buggums.

[3:24] It does not work.

[3:25] I tried it.

[3:26] Nobody wanted Buggums, the candy with real bugs attached to it.

[3:29] It just didn't work.

Justin McElroy

[3:30] Don't you think the Willy Wonka company missed a trick by not selling chocolate bars called Little Bit of Augustus?

[3:37] And there's just a little bit of Augustus Gloop in every one.

[3:39] Just a little bit of particulate.

[3:41] It's called Gloopies.

[3:43] Gloopies.

Dan McCoy

[3:44] I mean, you got to believe that he's well marbled and delicious.

Stuart Wellington

[3:50] We're really showing our Western privilege and that we're making fun of the fact that people could be eating chocolate bars with insects or Augustus Gloops in them.

[3:58] And I think that's pretty fucked up.

Justin McElroy

[4:00] In many parts of the world, Augustus Gloop is a primary source of protein.

[4:04] And we need to respect that.

[4:05] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[4:07] Okay.

[4:07] Well, let me explain the premise of this show to anyone checking in for the first time and thinking, oh, my favorite is Justin.

[4:15] You'll be disappointed next time.

[4:17] But this is a show.

Stuart Wellington

[4:19] Leave the door open.

Dan McCoy

[4:20] This is a show where we watch a bad movie and then talk about it.

[4:25] That's our MO.

[4:28] But Justin, who knows what he thinks of this movie?

[4:30] He picked it.

[4:32] Now, Justin, I wanted to ask before we got into talking about the movie, what was it about this film that made you want to talk about it with us?

Stuart Wellington

[4:40] Yeah.

[4:41] When I texted Justin, I was like, yeah, you can pick any movie in the world.

[4:44] And even before I was done sending the text message, I got the response, happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo.

[4:50] Well, I was watching it at the time that you texted me.

Justin McElroy

[4:57] I was watching it at the time that you texted me.

[4:59] But it was the third time I'd watched it with my children.

[5:07] And my rationale is this.

[5:09] One, I thought I'd try to do Elliot a solid and have a movie that he could watch with his children.

Elliott Kalan

[5:14] Thank you.

[5:15] I appreciate that.

Justin McElroy

[5:16] Yeah.

[5:16] Secondly, and I hope that the logic of this has been borne out now that you guys have watched it.

[5:22] It wasn't just sort of a one-off because I watched it again today.

[5:26] It's a bizarre flick.

[5:28] It is very strange.

[5:30] Almost every choice in this movie is so strange.

[5:35] It almost starts to feel like, you know, there's that one very funny Twitter writer who was doing the AI, like an AI generated script for an Olive Garden commercial.

[5:51] It feels like someone put every Scooby-Doo into a machine and then let the machine generate a script for a Scooby-Doo movie.

[6:01] Yeah.

[6:02] Yeah.

[6:03] Like it was translated into-

[6:04] That's underselling it a bit because I think it's also very, it's surprisingly effective in what it attempts to do.

[6:09] But what it attempts to do is weirdly ambitious.

[6:12] I feel like for a movie of this stripe and like there's, you don't expect Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo to be a message movie, but it definitely, definitely is.

Elliott Kalan

[6:20] And there's a surprising amount of world building in this Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo movie.

[6:25] And world borrowing.

[6:28] Yes.

[6:28] And crossover building.

[6:31] Now, damn.

Dan McCoy

[6:32] And it's also kind of a Mad Max Fury Road, which you don't expect.

[6:35] Yeah.

[6:36] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[6:37] Yeah.

[6:37] But I didn't expect road game Scooby-Doo, which it kind of becomes.

Stuart Wellington

[6:40] And speaking of world building, we are introduced right away to Crystal Cove.

[6:47] Wait, Stuart.

Elliott Kalan

[6:47] Actually, I hate to interrupt.

[6:48] I just want to say it is fitting that we watched this Halloween movie in November.

[6:51] Okay.

[6:51] Why?

[6:52] In honor of Joe Ruby and Ken Spears, the creators of Scooby-Doo, who both died this year.

[6:56] Ken Spears just died about a week and a half ago.

[6:58] So it is in his honor that we are now going to, I guess, tear apart this movie that used his characters.

[7:04] He didn't write it, but you know.

[7:05] Yeah.

[7:06] Justin is making a face with the idea that we're going to do this part.

[7:08] You guys tear it apart all you want.

Justin McElroy

[7:10] I'll be there picking up the pieces and carrying them on my shoulders back over to wherever we're carrying it from.

[7:15] That's true.

Elliott Kalan

[7:15] When Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo saw just one set of footprints, that was you carrying it.

[7:19] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[7:21] So yeah, the movie opens up in Crystal Cove, a town built on a large natural crystal deposit, as we'll learn later.

[7:29] It's Halloween.

[7:29] There's a Halloween parade.

[7:31] And Elvira is on the main float.

Justin McElroy

[7:35] You make it 10 seconds in before you are to one of the wilder picks of the movie.

[7:40] Y'all, this is a children's movie.

[7:42] Yeah.

[7:43] None of them know who Elvira is.

[7:45] Not a single child will know who Elvira is.

[7:49] It's bizarre.

[7:49] They're going to be a Scooby-Doo character.

Elliott Kalan

[7:51] It's bizarre that when I was a kid, I knew who Elvira was, since her main thing was being like making death jokes and having boobs.

[7:59] And yet somehow this was a character I was aware of as a kid.

[8:01] But no kid now is going to know who Elvira the mistress of the night is.

Dan McCoy

[8:04] I assume because this is a movie for children, they largely take away the boobs.

[8:09] So just write that down in the notes.

Stuart Wellington

[8:12] Yeah.

[8:12] Dan's mad that they de-sexified Elvira and Bill Nye.

Justin McElroy

[8:16] Well, that's why.

[8:17] Dan didn't think Elvira's boobs were big enough.

[8:20] That's his big note to Warner's on this one.

Elliott Kalan

[8:22] Warner's animation.

[8:23] I have one general note.

[8:25] This is a world note just for the whole movie.

[8:27] Elvira's known for her cleavage.

[8:30] And yet, I didn't see – and within that note comes a secondary note.

[8:34] In the scene where Daphne and Elvira switch clothes, we don't see that process taking place?

[8:40] That seems like a wasted opportunity for me.

[8:42] Deviant art scholar Dan McCoy.

[8:44] That's going to hurt our international box office for sure.

Dan McCoy

[8:48] In your own words, Elliot, that is one of Elvira's main things that has been removed.

[8:52] I'm not saying it should be in the movie, but even in her movie, which the name I forgot.

[8:59] Elvira, Mistress of the Dark?

Elliott Kalan

[9:00] Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.

[9:02] How can Dan remember that name for the movie?

Dan McCoy

[9:04] She wins over many of the townspeople by doing a burlesque routine where her boobs spin her tassels around.

[9:11] Like, Elvira knows that that is a key component to her whole thing.

[9:16] And, yeah, it is just wild that she's in this movie.

[9:19] Wild.

[9:20] Yeah, she's great.

Stuart Wellington

[9:21] So she's the Grand Marshal and she's on the main float.

[9:23] The Scooby-Doo gang, what, Mystery Incorporated is their name?

[9:27] Mm-hmm.

[9:27] Are already undercover in costume, which is interesting for later, trying to, you know, they think there's going to be a monster attack or they're trying to prove monsters aren't real.

[9:37] Just about then, the Bomb Me shop explodes and a Hobgoblin pumpkin-headed character comes flying out and starts throwing pumpkin bombs and stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[9:47] And I know what you're thinking.

[9:48] You're like, wait a minute.

[9:49] Is Scooby-Doo crossing over with Marvel Comics and their Jack-O-Lantern villain?

[9:53] Yeah.

[9:54] No, wrong comics universe, friends, as you're about to find out.

Dan McCoy

[9:57] Or, I mean, doesn't the Green Goblin throw pumpkin bombs?

Elliott Kalan

[10:00] Yeah, but he doesn't have a Jack-O-Lantern on his head.

[10:02] But Jack-O-Lantern uses a lot of Green Goblin's old stuff.

[10:05] Green Goblin left a lot of his weapons all over New York because, one, he's a pack rat.

[10:09] And, two, just in case, I guess he was in the knabe and he needed to switch costumes.

[10:13] And so Hobgoblin, Jack-O-Lantern, Demogoblin, they're all always borrowing Green Goblin's old stuff, you know.

Justin McElroy

[10:20] Okay, well.

[10:21] It's Scarecrow.

[10:22] Yeah, it's Scarecrow.

[10:23] In Gotham City.

[10:24] It's Scarecrow.

[10:25] And you watch that and you think, when I first watched this, I thought, oh, is this a Batman crossover?

[10:32] Nope.

[10:33] No.

[10:34] It's just Scarecrow.

Stuart Wellington

[10:35] Just Scarecrow.

[10:36] I watched this with...

[10:36] He's branching out.

[10:37] You know, he's like, I don't just want to be a Batman guy.

[10:39] I want to be a little bit of everything.

Dan McCoy

[10:41] 90% of the time I'm watching the movie with Audrey and 90% of the time she loses interest almost immediately.

[10:48] But she was on her edge of her seat for this one because she's a big Scooby-Doo fan from way back.

[10:53] She actually convinced me to watch Scoob a while back.

[10:56] But she said, oh, it's the Scarecrow.

[10:59] And I thought she was just joking for a while because I missed the fact that she's like, oh, from Gotham.

[11:04] But no, it's actually...

[11:05] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[11:06] Actually, Dr. Crane, not Frasier Crane.

[11:08] But what if...

[11:09] Wait a minute.

[11:10] Hold on.

[11:10] What if Frasier Crane was the Scarecrow's brother?

[11:13] Hold on a second.

[11:14] There's a third Crane brother.

[11:15] He's not in Seattle.

[11:16] He's in Gotham.

[11:17] And he's the Scarecrow.

[11:19] I gotta see it happen.

[11:20] Okay.

[11:21] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[11:21] So he's about to attack him with a bunch of drones.

[11:23] And then Fred uses a phone app that is not a trap to turn him off.

[11:27] And then they shoot him with a crossbow.

Elliott Kalan

[11:30] Now, here's the thing I like about this right off the bat is now I have to assume that Batman

[11:34] and Scooby-Doo coexist in the same universe, which I love because I've been having some

[11:38] real issues with Batman lately as I come to realize that he is essentially a character who

[11:42] uses violence to solve a mental illness problem.

[11:44] Yeah.

[11:45] And that his entire series is a long-running argument against empathy for anyone who commits

[11:52] a crime and in favor of just throwing them into an easily escapable asylum.

[11:56] But if Scooby do exist in that world, then all bets are off.

[12:00] You know what?

[12:00] Maybe Batman's the right way to handle it because this world is nuts.

[12:05] If there's just a talking dog who's also a pothead who solves mysteries with some teens

[12:09] who don't have families, then like, okay, sure, maybe Batman makes sense.

Stuart Wellington

[12:14] So there's, you know, there's a couple of turnarounds.

[12:16] It looks like Scarecrow's Dead Man Switch is going to launch a huge new batch of drones.

[12:19] And then Shaggy picks up Scooby and uses him like an anti-aircraft gun.

[12:24] And he spits candy that is still fully wrapped out of his mouth.

[12:28] Yeah.

[12:28] And shoots down all of the drones.

Dan McCoy

[12:31] Yeah.

[12:31] They were terrified.

[12:32] They locked the doors to the mystery van, not allowing their teammates to get back in.

[12:37] And yeah, they've just been swallowing a bunch of fully wrapped candy for the last,

[12:42] for the credit sequence.

[12:43] It's easier to animate.

Elliott Kalan

[12:46] Yeah.

[12:46] Yes.

[12:47] Yeah.

[12:48] Now, here's a, I wanted to bring up, so as always, it looks like, as always with Scooby-Doo,

[12:52] it looks like it's a supernatural thing.

[12:54] It's some guy with pumpkin powers.

[12:56] No, it's just drones and stuff.

[12:58] Were you guys as kids ever as disappointed as I was that every episode of Scooby-Doo

[13:02] ended with the reassuring message that monsters and ghosts don't exist?

[13:05] And it's just old men who don't want people to go to their amusement parks for some reason?

Dan McCoy

[13:09] Well, it is my, I mean, Scoob breaks with that tradition.

[13:13] There is actual, like, supernatural stuff going on.

[13:16] And it's my understanding that, like, some of the more recent Scooby-Doo versions have

[13:20] had actual supernatural stuff going on.

Elliott Kalan

[13:23] I'm not fully up on Scooby-Doo's modern continuity, which is why one of the characters in this really

[13:27] threw me off when it turned out he was a continuing character.

Dan McCoy

[13:30] I mean, I understand, like, Scooby-Doo in general, I understand having affection for it

[13:35] in the way that I understand having affection for any old garbage from your childhood.

[13:39] But let's stipulate that the original cartoons were not very good.

[13:44] I mean, they've done, I think they have done some better versions of it over the years, so I hear.

[13:48] But, you know, I don't, like, it is wild to some degree that this is, you know,

[13:53] Scooby-Doo has been in syndication from the 1980s.

[13:56] There have been so many different versions.

Elliott Kalan

[13:58] He's the longest running television cartoon character that there is.

[14:02] Like, his show's been on the air in some form or another, basically, without, with few breaks

[14:06] since the early 70s, late 60s.

[14:09] And, like, considering his main, when I think about him, his main thing that I can think of

[14:14] is, like, this kind of shit brown color palette that is hideously unappealing.

[14:18] There's no, there's nothing visually appealing about the show.

[14:21] And also that every episode ends with them being like, uh-oh, a monster.

[14:25] Psyche, kids, there's no magic in the world.

[14:27] It's just an old man in a mask.

[14:29] But this one really turned around for me, partly because it's a very colorful show.

[14:34] Yeah, it is a much prettier looking version.

Stuart Wellington

[14:37] I was actually going to say, I feel like the animation was a little bit, like, herky-jerky

[14:41] and not particularly appealing to me.

[14:43] But then I don't watch a lot of animation for kids.

[14:46] How about you daddies out there?

Justin McElroy

[14:49] I would say middle of the pack.

[14:50] I mean, it's serviceable.

[14:52] Well, it's certainly better than a lot of the animation you see on television is a lot fewer frames of much less animation.

[15:01] Yes.

[15:02] Per square inch of that.

Dan McCoy

[15:03] I would say that, like, for me, like, the limited cell animation was, like, the animation itself was not good.

[15:09] But I liked the, like, the brightness of the designs.

[15:12] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[15:14] So they, you know, they've saved the day.

[15:16] They start to celebrate.

[15:18] The cops show up to take Scarecrow away.

[15:22] Velma has some verbal sparring with the Scarecrow, and he gives them a mysterious threat.

[15:28] Daphne uses a whole bunch of outdated slang and is behaving like she's drunk on white wine spritzers.

Elliott Kalan

[15:34] I found that whole sequence surprisingly funny, but at the same time I was like, who is Daphne supposed to be here?

[15:40] Like, what is her personality?

Justin McElroy

[15:41] Well, Daphne is – here's what I like about this – what I really like, other than the fact – well, I'll talk about a lot of things I like.

[15:48] One of the things I enjoy about this film is that I feel like – one of the things that has put me off of Scooby-Doo to this point is that I feel like Scooby-Doo has been meta at this point longer than it has been Scooby-Doo, right?

[16:00] Almost all of our Scooby-Doo media is like a running gag about how – you know, like a Brady Bunch movie style, like sort of – it's usually riding this line between parody and earnestness.

[16:15] And I feel like this movie really doesn't lean as – it's funny of its own creation, right?

[16:23] What it does is it makes choices for each of these characters that is not necessarily referencing Scooby-Doo from 40 years ago, but is rather like it's making choices that let them be funny.

[16:33] So in this one, Daphne is very strange.

[16:37] I mean, Daphne is the oddball of the group.

[16:40] And Fred is funny not because he's referencing what a, you know, lovable doofus –

[16:48] Blunk kid?

[16:50] Yeah.

[16:50] But like he's funny for other reasons because he is his own character that is not a meta commentary on Fred of yore.

Dan McCoy

[16:59] Yield.

[17:00] I agree that like when we were watching this, we're like, oh, Daphne gets to be funny in this because usually Daphne, I think, is the biggest blank in it.

[17:08] They're just like, okay – like, well, she and Fred both are just like, okay, these are like our pretty leaders, but I don't really know who they are.

Stuart Wellington

[17:17] Yeah.

[17:17] And she's, what, like effective?

[17:20] Like she has skills and is the physical one.

[17:24] I guess Fred too can make traps and use apps.

[17:27] That was the thing.

Elliott Kalan

[17:27] Fred kept talking about traps and I was like, was that always his thing?

[17:32] Did I forget that Fred's thing was traps?

[17:34] Because I thought his thing was just being like the guy who could walk into a normal like establishment situation and have like some kind of face that is trusted as opposed to Shaggy who is clearly a dropout from society.

[17:48] I thought Fred was just kind of like the guy who would go in and be like, they can trust me.

[17:51] I'm wearing an ascot.

[17:52] It's okay.

Dan McCoy

[17:53] No, it is definitely one of those things where it's like a Back to the Future 2 situation where it's like, wait, was Marty's thing before that he doesn't like being called a chicken?

[18:01] Because I don't remember that.

Justin McElroy

[18:03] No, he had – Fred has one of the best – one of my favorite Fred lines is he says, I want to do what I do best.

[18:10] I'm going to do traps.

Stuart Wellington

[18:11] So they decide to celebrate by going trick-or-treating.

[18:17] They talk about how they don't have costumes, which is weird because Fred is wearing like a half-skeleton costume before Ruby.

Elliott Kalan

[18:22] I mean, he's wearing the costume from Karate Kid that those kids were wearing on Halloween.

[18:26] He could just wear that skeleton costume.

[18:28] Yep.

Stuart Wellington

[18:28] So Shaggy and Scooby, of course, chew mouthfuls of candy and then spit it all over themselves and cover themselves with extra candy and become spilled Halloween candy as their costume.

[18:38] It's wild.

[18:39] And then they have a trick-or-treating and dancing montage to an original song, I'm assuming, created for this movie.

Elliott Kalan

[18:47] There's a few times in the movie where I think it's about to become a musical and then it doesn't quite become a musical.

[18:53] Like they faint at it and the characters sing a little bit and then it just kind of goes away and you're like, oh, okay.

[18:59] I kind of thought you'd do like a whole number here, but I guess not.

Stuart Wellington

[19:01] They then find a wrecked drone and a wrecked toxic waste truck and the two things combine to smear their juice all over a local pumpkin patch, which turns the pumpkins into monsters, which are heretofore known as jackal lanterns.

Elliott Kalan

[19:16] Now, why do you think they call them jackal lanterns?

[19:19] They're not scavengers, you know, like jackal.

[19:21] They don't have anything like jackals.

Stuart Wellington

[19:24] I think it sounds like jack-o-lantern, Elliot.

[19:26] Oh!

[19:28] Because behavior-wise, they're a lot kind of like critters that are also zombies and they can fly and drive custom hot rods.

Elliott Kalan

[19:36] And they laugh.

[19:36] They've got a very gremlin-y laugh, although I guess it's a critters-y laugh, too.

[19:39] Yeah.

[19:40] But unlike ghoulies, they don't get you in the end.

Stuart Wellington

[19:43] Well, actually, they kind of do later on.

[19:46] That's true.

Elliott Kalan

[19:46] And are they like munchies?

[19:48] I don't really remember what the munchies used to do.

Dan McCoy

[19:51] Well, they look up women's dresses based on the VHS poster.

Stuart Wellington

[19:57] And what about trancers?

[19:58] Were trancers like this?

[20:00] Oh, man.

[20:00] Trancers are completely different.

[20:02] It involves jumping to different dimensions.

[20:04] Jack Death is involved.

[20:05] It's great.

[20:06] Okay.

[20:06] So the rest of the gang-

[20:08] And what about Bad News Bears?

Dan McCoy

[20:09] Are those little creatures?

[20:11] They're just kind of racist in that 1970s way.

[20:15] Oh, okay.

[20:15] Okay.

[20:16] Got it.

Elliott Kalan

[20:16] And what about little big weeks?

[20:18] Is that-

Stuart Wellington

[20:20] So while Shaggy and Scooby are watching the jack-o-lanterns,

[20:26] origin story,

[20:28] the rest of the team meets the local sheriff

[20:29] who threatens them

[20:31] and then takes away the scarecrow,

[20:34] obviously a firm case for defund.

[20:36] They meet locals.

Elliott Kalan

[20:38] Oh, wait, wait.

[20:39] Stuart, I don't know.

[20:40] I mean, if any criminal seems to be in imminent danger

[20:44] that should be locked up at the moment,

[20:45] it seems to be the scarecrow.

Stuart Wellington

[20:46] Yeah, I mean, I'm not talking about the way

[20:48] that they're handling the scarecrow.

[20:49] I'm just talking about the general sheriff's overreach

[20:52] and his ways interacting with these helpful teenagers.

[20:55] Oh, okay, okay.

[20:56] Fair, fair.

[20:57] So we meet a local father and daughter team,

[21:00] Mike and Michelle.

[21:01] Mike thanks them for-

[21:02] Also known as a family,

Elliott Kalan

[21:04] father-daughter team.

[21:05] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[21:08] They thank them for saving the town

[21:10] and offer to buy y'all a caramel corn later on.

[21:14] Well, we'll see if that ever happens.

[21:16] So you're positing that sort of a Chekhov's

Elliott Kalan

[21:21] caramel corn purchase offer.

[21:23] Yeah.

[21:23] If you promise the purchase of a caramel corn in Act 1,

[21:27] by Act 3, we better see that caramel corn get purchased.

Stuart Wellington

[21:29] Shaggy and Scooby show up.

[21:31] They try and warn the local reporters

[21:32] who are very excited about the saving of the town

[21:35] that the town is in fact not saved.

[21:36] There are a bunch of jack-o'-lanterns on their way.

[21:39] Nobody believes them because they're covered in candy

[21:41] and there's an owl stuck on his butt.

[21:44] Daphne then sings an original song.

[21:46] That is very kind of stream-of-consciousness

[21:49] Elliot Kalin quality.

[21:50] I had-

[21:51] Let me read to you from my notes.

Elliott Kalan

[21:52] Let me read you from my notes.

[21:53] Daphne sings a real Elliot-style song.

[21:56] I wrote it.

[21:57] So I appreciated that part.

Stuart Wellington

[21:59] Yeah, that was great.

[22:00] I felt like-

Elliott Kalan

[22:00] I feel like-

[22:01] I felt seen by Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo.

[22:04] Uh-huh.

Stuart Wellington

[22:04] Now we have our next celebrity cameo.

[22:06] Bill Nye shows up

[22:07] and he organizes an airdrop

[22:09] for the team to receive a new fancy mystery machine.

[22:12] Mystery Machine X.

Dan McCoy

[22:14] Again, I think this is a strange thing

[22:16] because at one point,

[22:17] Bill Nye was sort of a figure for children.

[22:21] But at this point in history,

[22:23] I think he's mostly known for like

[22:24] appearing on CNN

[22:26] and sort of like throwing his hands up

[22:28] at the fact that no one believes in science anymore.

Justin McElroy

[22:30] But that is-

[22:31] What is fascinating about it

[22:33] is that that is what-

[22:34] If this movie is about anything,

[22:36] that is what this movie is about.

[22:38] It's about Velma struggling

[22:40] with the limits of science and belief.

[22:43] Yeah.

[22:44] And where those two intertwine

[22:47] and the overlap of fear and science and belief.

[22:51] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[22:52] And that's why Jim Bill Nye is the perfect guy.

[22:56] I wish they didn't desexify him so much

[22:58] because, you know-

[22:59] I mean, you do see him as a sexy cat at one point.

Elliott Kalan

[23:02] He is a sexy cat at one point.

[23:04] Yeah.

[23:05] The sexiest animal.

Stuart Wellington

[23:06] I feel like he could have been sexier.

[23:08] So the new mystery machine

[23:10] is like a cool automated robo car

[23:14] that has arms at times.

[23:15] Wait, so Stuart, wait.

Elliott Kalan

[23:16] So your issue with their handling of Bill Nye

[23:18] is similar to Dan's handling

[23:19] with their issue of Elvira.

[23:20] Exactly.

[23:20] That a character who is just radiating sexuality

[23:23] and is known for that

[23:24] has been neutered for a child audience.

Justin McElroy

[23:26] Bill Nye largely appears in the movie

[23:28] as a hologram in their car.

[23:32] Yeah.

[23:32] And you think it's a Bill Nye AI,

[23:35] but it's not that

[23:36] because he's interrupted by trick-or-treaters.

[23:38] One of them is dressed like Aquaman

[23:40] who he then complains about

[23:42] the unbelievability

[23:45] of the Aquaman character.

[23:48] Which means-

[23:48] It's real Bill Nye.

[23:50] So Bill Nye is just sitting there

[23:51] as a hologram in the van.

[23:53] Yeah, he's just-

[23:54] I mean, there's no call for it.

Elliott Kalan

[23:56] He's just Twitch live streaming

[23:57] direct to their van via hologram.

[24:00] And here's the thing.

[24:01] We live in a world where,

[24:03] now in this show,

[24:04] where Scarecrow is real,

[24:05] meaning Batman is real.

[24:07] Aquaman, Bill Nye has a lot of issues

[24:09] with how Aquaman could exist,

[24:10] which implies either one,

[24:12] Aquaman is not real

[24:13] in this strange DC-Hanna-Barbera hybrid.

[24:15] Or two, Bill Nye is always writing letters

[24:18] to the local newspaper saying,

[24:20] Aquaman is a hoax and I can prove it.

[24:22] The science doesn't make sense.

[24:24] Here's my seven minute YouTube video

[24:25] on how Aquaman's not real.

[24:27] Fake news, fake news, Aquaman.

[24:28] And I just don't want to believe

[24:29] that Bill Nye is harassing Aquaman that way.

Dan McCoy

[24:32] I also think that Justin brings up a good point,

[24:34] which is the fact that he is not an AI

[24:36] and that he's built this

[24:38] for the Mystery Incorporated teens,

[24:41] is he committing himself

[24:43] to always sitting there in that chair,

[24:46] helping them and being their kid?

[24:47] It's a good question.

[24:48] You know?

Stuart Wellington

[24:50] I mean, you know, it depends.

[24:51] Like, there's times in our life

[24:54] where we just kind of want to hang out

[24:56] and like really enjoy our long distance connections

[24:59] as opposed to the people that are nearest

[25:01] that maybe know us too well.

[25:02] That sometimes it's better to work on a relationship

[25:04] where there's a little bit of extra distance.

[25:06] So people...

[25:07] With a bunch of teens in a van.

[25:08] Yeah.

[25:09] I mean, that's totally normal, right?

[25:11] I mean, would it be weird?

Elliott Kalan

[25:12] It would be weirder if Bill Nye

[25:13] was just roaming the country

[25:14] with a bunch of teens in a van

[25:15] solving mysteries, right?

[25:17] Like, that would be more questionable.

[25:18] Maybe that's it.

Dan McCoy

[25:19] He's like, he knows that there needs to be distance

[25:22] if he wants to help them out.

Elliott Kalan

[25:23] Well, and also he and Daphne used to date

[25:25] and he knows it would be weird

[25:27] if you don't have...

Stuart Wellington

[25:28] Let's just move on.

[25:31] So Scooby and Shaggy get tired

[25:32] of hitting a jack-and-lantern

[25:33] and so Shaggy sits on it

[25:34] and then it turns into a monster pumpkin

[25:36] and bites him on the butt

[25:38] and he says,

[25:38] look, I've got a pumpkin butt.

[25:40] That was cool.

[25:42] The reporters and various people

[25:43] are being attacked by the jack-o'-lanterns.

[25:46] A Jewish-coded reporter

[25:47] gets eaten by a giant jack-o'-lantern

[25:49] and then gets turned into a jack-o'-lantern.

[25:53] The ground starts to be torn apart,

[25:56] riven by earthquakes.

[25:58] Shaggy and Scooby jump into a station wagon

[26:01] with Mike and Michelle.

[26:02] Daphne manages to convince Elvira

[26:04] to take her on as a protege

[26:06] and Fred and Velma drive away

[26:08] in the new Mystery Machine X.

[26:10] And now it's a driving movie.

Justin McElroy

[26:13] Yeah.

[26:13] For like the rest of it.

[26:15] For a long time.

[26:17] The rest, it's,

[26:18] you keep remembering like,

[26:19] wait, this car chase is still going on.

[26:21] It is the Fury Road of Scooby-Doo movies.

[26:23] It's wild.

Dan McCoy

[26:25] They have whole conversations

[26:26] with one another

[26:27] from one vehicle to another.

[26:30] I honestly like,

[26:31] the beginning of the movie

[26:34] zipped along a lot more for me,

[26:36] honestly,

[26:36] than this long car chase

[26:38] because at a certain point,

[26:39] like...

Elliott Kalan

[26:40] Oh, you mean the 45 minutes

[26:41] of them driving

[26:42] didn't zip along

[26:43] the way you expected it would?

[26:44] At a certain point,

Dan McCoy

[26:45] I'm like,

[26:45] get out of the car, guys.

Justin McElroy

[26:48] Yeah,

[26:48] it's like they didn't write

[26:49] any more movies

[26:50] to get to.

[26:51] So they're all driving

[26:52] very slowly

[26:53] to the end of the movie.

Elliott Kalan

[26:55] There's part of me

[26:56] that imagined them just,

[26:57] the movie ending

[26:58] with them driving off

[26:58] into the sunset

[26:59] forever chased

[27:00] by these jack-o'-lanterns

[27:01] never getting out

[27:02] of their cars.

Stuart Wellington

[27:03] Yeah, it's funny

[27:03] you should mention that

[27:04] because the jack-o'-lanterns

[27:05] are hot on their tail

[27:06] with their own custom hot rods

[27:08] that I think are built

[27:09] out of the parade floats.

[27:11] I can't quite tell.

[27:12] Yes.

[27:12] Yeah, yeah.

[27:13] They look like that.

Elliott Kalan

[27:14] It's a real Monster Garage

[27:16] special edition

[27:17] where they just like,

[27:18] they take these floats

[27:20] and turn them into

[27:20] cool monster trucks

[27:21] and they're like,

[27:22] yeah, we can do that.

[27:24] The customer was a bunch

[27:25] of jack-o'-lanterns

[27:26] but we decided

[27:26] we were still going to do

[27:27] as good a job as we could.

[27:29] Hey, we need this part.

[27:30] Well, oh,

[27:31] we have to get that

[27:31] from Japan.

[27:32] Jack-o'-lanterns,

[27:33] this is going to take a while

[27:34] but we kind of are chasing

[27:35] these teens.

[27:36] Okay, we'll do as best

[27:37] as we can.

[27:37] We didn't have a lot of time

[27:39] so the Monster Garage guys

[27:40] had to get on it.

[27:42] Those are the tools.

Dan McCoy

[27:44] Elliot,

[27:44] this shows a greater familiarity

[27:46] with Monster Garage

[27:47] than I would have expected

[27:48] out of you.

[27:49] I used to watch

Elliott Kalan

[27:49] a lot of Monster Garage.

[27:50] Monster House

[27:51] was never as much into

[27:52] because there's something

[27:53] about having a crazy themed car

[27:55] that I can understand

[27:56] but when you theme

[27:57] your house around something

[27:58] it really,

[27:59] like,

[28:00] you're not going to want

[28:01] to live inside

[28:01] of a dinosaur cave

[28:02] every day

[28:03] and that's coming from me,

[28:05] a guy who wishes

[28:06] he could live

[28:06] in a dinosaur cave

[28:07] like three days

[28:07] out of the week

[28:08] but there was a

[28:10] Monster House

[28:11] where it was like,

[28:12] the baby's coming

[28:12] and we decided

[28:13] to make his room

[28:14] underwater themed

[28:15] so there's sharks

[28:16] everywhere and fish

[28:17] and I was like,

[28:18] ooh,

[28:18] I hope this kid

[28:19] likes underwater stuff

[28:20] because this is going

[28:21] to be a bad room

[28:22] if he doesn't like it.

Justin McElroy

[28:23] I did that with

[28:24] my daughter,

[28:25] my first daughter.

[28:26] We made her room

[28:28] space themed

[28:29] and almost as soon

[28:31] as she could talk

[28:32] she informed me

[28:34] how much she hated

[28:35] the space themed

[28:36] in her room

[28:37] and how much she wished

[28:38] it was princesses

[28:40] and so I had to have

[28:41] this sad montage

[28:42] of me,

[28:43] like,

[28:43] kicking the rocket ships

[28:45] down off the wall

[28:46] and piling them

[28:46] in my arms

[28:47] with this stupid

[28:48] Doctor Who clock

[28:49] just piled on top

[28:50] the starry curtains

[28:53] straight in the trash.

[28:58] With a little scraper

Stuart Wellington

[28:59] like scraping the stars

[29:00] off the ceiling.

Justin McElroy

[29:02] Yeah,

[29:03] wow,

[29:03] I did exactly that.

[29:05] Can we take a brief

[29:06] diversion to just

[29:07] check in on Matthew

[29:08] Lillard real quick?

[29:10] I want to talk about

[29:11] Matthew Lillard

[29:11] and this is celebratory.

[29:13] I am not ragging

[29:14] on him whatsoever

[29:15] because I'm envious

[29:16] in a way.

[29:17] 2002,

[29:19] plays the role

[29:20] of Shaggy Rogers

[29:22] in the movie

[29:23] Scooby-Doo

[29:24] and then Matthew

[29:26] Lillard was like,

[29:27] you know what,

[29:27] this is good for me.

[29:29] I'm just going to

[29:30] stay here

[29:30] if that's alright.

[29:32] And everybody can go

[29:33] about their business.

Dan McCoy

[29:34] I'm just going to

[29:35] chill here.

[29:36] Except for appearing

[29:37] in Twin Peaks

[29:38] The Return briefly.

[29:39] Yeah,

Justin McElroy

[29:39] I'm going to dip in

[29:40] on David Lynch's

[29:41] return to television

[29:42] and then I'm just

[29:42] going to,

[29:43] he's done other stuff.

[29:44] Yeah,

[29:45] he's done other stuff

[29:45] but the fact that

[29:46] he just like,

[29:47] even the last movie

[29:49] had Will Forte

[29:51] as Shaggy

[29:52] and they were like,

[29:53] certainly Matthew

[29:54] is not going to

[29:54] come back after that.

[29:55] He's like,

[29:56] no,

[29:56] it's fine.

[29:57] I'll just come

[29:57] ahead back

[29:58] and it's really

[29:58] not a big deal.

Dan McCoy

[29:59] Well,

[30:00] not big,

[30:00] but big for Scooby-Doo

[30:02] internet controversy

[30:03] where they're all like,

[30:04] everyone's like,

[30:04] why are they getting

[30:05] Will Forte?

[30:06] You know,

[30:06] like Matthew Lillard

[30:07] has been playing

[30:08] this part since 2002.

[30:09] He's been putting in the work.

Justin McElroy

[30:11] I mean,

[30:11] he's great

[30:12] and like Kate McCutchey

[30:13] is so,

[30:14] she's so good as Velma,

[30:16] it's weird that she

[30:17] hasn't always been Velma.

[30:18] It's like,

[30:19] it's that sort of perfect

[30:21] but I just think

[30:23] it's fascinating.

[30:24] is like,

[30:24] that is good.

[30:25] I'll just keep doing it.

[30:26] It's pretty easy

[30:27] and I get money for it

[30:28] and it's fun

[30:29] to keep being this guy

[30:30] and I don't think

[30:31] we have a lot,

[30:32] like,

[30:32] unless you want to look

[30:33] like a Brett Eilander

[30:37] or,

[30:38] you know,

[30:38] one of the Mickey lineage,

[30:40] like,

[30:40] you don't have

[30:41] this level

[30:42] of interconnectedness

[30:44] between a character

[30:45] and a voice actor

[30:48] that goes on

[30:49] for,

[30:49] you know,

[30:50] years and years

[30:50] and years

[30:51] and years

[30:51] and years.

[30:52] It's wild.

Elliott Kalan

[30:53] That's always,

[30:53] it's always,

[30:54] whenever they would have

[30:55] like a guest star

[30:55] in The Simpsons

[30:56] and that character

[30:56] would become like

[30:57] a fairly regular

[30:58] or recurring character,

[31:00] like,

[31:00] I imagine,

[31:00] I always think it's weird

[31:02] that Joe Mantegna

[31:02] like still goes in

[31:04] and they're like,

[31:05] yeah,

[31:06] Fat Tony's in this episode.

[31:07] Can you come in

[31:07] and record three lines?

[31:08] Yeah,

[31:08] sure,

[31:09] okay,

[31:09] yeah,

[31:09] why not?

[31:10] Okay.

[31:10] No problem.

[31:12] But,

[31:12] I always thought

[31:14] that it was weird

[31:15] that,

Stuart Wellington

[31:15] Who did Shaggy

[31:16] before Matthew Lever?

[31:18] Casey Kasem

Elliott Kalan

[31:18] did Shaggy

[31:19] for most of the,

[31:20] and I always thought

[31:21] it was weird

[31:21] that Casey Kasem

[31:22] had like a,

[31:23] had his own big career

[31:24] but he was still

[31:25] for years

[31:25] the same thing

[31:26] coming in

[31:26] and doing Shaggy

[31:27] and stuff.

[31:27] Is it just maybe

[31:29] really great

[31:30] to be Shaggy?

Justin McElroy

[31:31] Is that what we're missing?

[31:32] So,

[31:33] what a joyful connection.

Stuart Wellington

[31:34] This might be a,

[31:35] this might be a crazy question

[31:36] but,

[31:38] why wasn't Casey Kasem

[31:39] in the live action movie

[31:40] as Shaggy?

Elliott Kalan

[31:42] Uh,

[31:42] well,

[31:43] I mean,

[31:44] one,

[31:44] by that point

[31:45] he was either

[31:46] a very old man

[31:46] or dead.

[31:47] I can't remember which.

Justin McElroy

[31:49] the action

[31:50] and the live part

[31:51] would have been challenging.

[31:52] Yeah,

[31:53] let's take a look

Elliott Kalan

[31:53] at Casey Kasem

[31:54] and see,

[31:55] uh,

[31:55] how,

[31:55] see how alive he was

[31:57] when that movie came out.

[31:58] Let's see.

[31:59] Oh,

[31:59] he was alive.

[32:00] I don't think it's for you

Stuart Wellington

[32:00] to judge me.

[32:01] He was alive.

[32:02] Totally normal question to ask.

Dan McCoy

[32:04] Okay,

[32:04] so,

[32:05] uh,

[32:05] you did ask

[32:06] if it was crazy

[32:07] ahead of time.

[32:08] So,

Elliott Kalan

[32:08] that's true.

[32:09] So,

[32:09] he voiced,

[32:10] uh,

[32:10] Norville Shaggy Rogers,

[32:12] uh,

[32:12] from 1969 to 1997.

[32:14] Then again,

[32:15] from 2002 to 2009,

[32:17] it says,

[32:17] uh,

[32:17] so in 2002,

[32:18] he was 70 years old.

[32:20] So,

[32:21] it might have been

[32:21] a little strange

[32:22] if it was like,

[32:23] uh,

[32:23] these young people

[32:24] playing the rest

[32:25] of the characters

[32:25] and then a 70-year-old man

[32:26] and like,

[32:26] uh,

[32:27] like,

[32:27] and if anything,

[32:29] what's weird about it

[32:29] is that Shaggy

[32:31] is so,

[32:31] so clearly a takeoff

[32:32] of Maynard G. Krebs

[32:33] from the Dobie Gillis show

[32:35] because they're basically

[32:36] the Dobie Gillis characters.

[32:37] Why didn't they just get

[32:38] Bob Denver to do it?

[32:39] I don't know.

[32:40] Look,

[32:40] I'm not

[32:41] Hannah or Barbera.

[32:42] I can't answer these questions.

[32:43] I mean,

[32:44] Bob never wanted

[32:45] too much money,

[32:46] but I,

[32:47] We'll have to go into the,

[32:48] into,

[32:48] I guess,

[32:48] an oral history somewhere

[32:49] to find out.

Justin McElroy

[32:52] Um,

[32:52] it's also worth noting

[32:54] did voice Shaggy Rogers,

[32:55] uh,

[32:56] in the year of his death,

[32:58] 2014.

[32:59] Yeah.

[32:59] So,

[32:59] that was a,

[33:00] um,

[33:02] 72,

[33:04] judging from Wikipedia here.

[33:06] No,

[33:06] sorry,

[33:08] 82-year-old man

[33:09] Yeah.

[33:10] Voicing

[33:11] a local teen.

[33:14] Yeah.

[33:14] Shaggy Rogers.

Stuart Wellington

[33:16] Yeah,

[33:16] directors are like,

[33:18] okay,

[33:18] Casey,

[33:18] just remember you're a teenager.

[33:20] Yeah.

[33:21] You didn't care.

[33:22] This is what teenagers care about.

[33:25] Um,

[33:25] Is that the Charleston?

[33:27] I always kind of assumed Shaggy

[33:28] was a little bit older

[33:29] than a teenager

[33:30] at this point.

[33:31] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[33:32] I mean,

[33:32] they're all supposed to be teens.

[33:34] Here's something that Wikipedia says,

[33:35] and I wonder if it's true,

[33:37] was at first uncomfortable

[33:38] about being assigned to Shaggy,

[33:40] uh,

[33:40] as he had never before

[33:41] portrayed a hippie character.

[33:42] He wanted to play Fred,

[33:43] and Frank Welker,

[33:44] who of course has played Fred

[33:46] for the entirety,

[33:46] I think,

[33:47] of the run,

[33:48] wanted to play Shaggy,

[33:49] but instead CBS assigned them

[33:51] the other way.

[33:52] It's just like that old story

[33:54] about how originally

[33:55] Christopher Walken

[33:57] was going to play Han Solo

[33:58] and Betty Davis

[33:59] was going to play Princess Leia,

[34:01] and they decide

[34:02] at the last minute

[34:02] that they did not want

[34:03] Christopher Walken

[34:04] to play it

[34:05] or an elderly woman

[34:06] to play Princess Leia,

[34:07] you know.

[34:08] And originally Chewbacca

[34:09] was going to be played

[34:09] by the late Clark Gable.

[34:11] It's just amazing

[34:11] when you hear about

[34:12] who was going to play

[34:13] these roles.

Stuart Wellington

[34:15] Okay.

[34:15] So back to the chase.

[34:17] Daffy is a blowtorch

[34:19] to cut the parade float

[34:20] loose from the back

[34:21] of Elvira's car,

[34:22] which then runs into

[34:23] all the jack-o'-lanterns

[34:24] hot rods,

[34:25] which explode like

[34:26] Mad Max Fury Road,

[34:27] so they get a little bit

[34:28] of breathing space.

[34:29] You know,

[34:29] they're still on their tail,

[34:30] but they got a little bit

[34:31] of room to breathe.

[34:31] Not as much room

[34:32] as in the movie The Chase

[34:33] where Charlie Sheen

[34:35] and Chrissy Swanson

[34:35] have a sex scene

[34:36] while being chased by the cops.

[34:37] That's funny.

[34:38] That's crazy.

[34:39] So they argue about

[34:40] being scared,

[34:41] whether or not it's

[34:41] logical or not.

[34:42] This is when Velma

[34:43] starts talking about

[34:44] mind palaces,

[34:45] and it's like,

[34:46] of course,

[34:47] it's 2020.

[34:48] If you have a smart character

[34:49] in your property,

[34:50] they have to talk

[34:51] about memory palaces,

[34:52] or they have to be able

[34:53] to play fucking chess

[34:54] on the ceiling.

[34:56] Like,

[34:57] or I don't buy it.

[34:58] I don't believe it.

[34:59] I gotta know.

[35:00] They gotta be able

[35:01] to do things in slow motion.

Elliott Kalan

[35:03] We just started

[35:03] watching that show,

[35:05] and we just watched

[35:06] the episode where

[35:07] she tears the canopy

[35:09] of her bed

[35:09] because chess doesn't

[35:10] work on a bed canopy.

[35:11] It only works

[35:12] on a ceiling.

[35:15] Yeah.

[35:15] Oh, man,

[35:15] that's great.

[35:16] I haven't finished

[35:17] Queen's Gambit yet.

[35:17] Does she play

[35:18] Lionel Richie,

[35:19] who of course

[35:19] has the strength

[35:20] of being able

[35:20] to sit on the ceiling

[35:21] while playing?

Dan McCoy

[35:23] The nutty thing is,

[35:25] like,

[35:25] I haven't watched

[35:25] that movie,

[35:26] and I just accepted

[35:26] that as, like,

[35:27] Stuart's crazy joke

[35:28] about a thing

[35:29] that smart people do.

[35:31] Yeah.

[35:32] You know,

[35:32] I got crossover appeal.

Stuart Wellington

[35:33] Okay.

[35:34] So,

[35:35] they speed up.

[35:36] They catch up

[35:37] to the sheriff

[35:38] and the paddy wagon

[35:39] that is carrying

[35:39] the scarecrow.

[35:40] It's quite a large van,

[35:42] to be honest with you.

Elliott Kalan

[35:44] And it looks even bigger

[35:45] on the inside.

[35:46] Once they get inside it,

[35:46] it's like they're inside

[35:47] an office building.

[35:48] Yeah.

[35:48] There's so much room

[35:49] in there.

Stuart Wellington

[35:51] The sheriff then

[35:52] gets overtaken

[35:52] by jack-o'-lanterns,

[35:53] and then...

[35:54] Oh,

[35:54] we skipped my favorite

[35:55] sheriff dialogue.

[35:56] Oh,

[35:56] my mistake.

[35:56] Explain,

[35:57] please.

[35:58] No,

[35:58] please,

[35:59] Fred and the sheriff

Justin McElroy

[36:00] are talking.

[36:02] And by talking,

[36:02] they're like yelling

[36:03] out the window,

[36:04] right?

[36:04] Yeah.

[36:05] Yeah,

[36:05] they're yelling

[36:05] out the window

[36:06] to each other,

[36:07] and the sheriff

[36:08] said that the kids

[36:09] should go back

[36:10] because even though

[36:11] he gives them

[36:11] a hard time,

[36:13] they're pretty much

[36:13] the closest thing

[36:14] to family he's got.

[36:16] Fred said,

[36:17] we've talked

[36:17] eight or ten times.

[36:18] Yeah,

Stuart Wellington

[36:23] it's great.

[36:23] Oh,

[36:24] man.

[36:24] It's great.

[36:25] Yeah,

[36:25] the sheriff

[36:26] is definitely the,

[36:27] at this point,

[36:28] is still a wild card.

[36:30] Was there a previous,

[36:31] because they keep

[36:32] referencing a thing,

[36:33] there's a previous movie

[36:34] that he was in.

Elliott Kalan

[36:35] Apparently,

[36:36] the sheriff

[36:37] was in a couple

[36:37] of previous

[36:38] Scooby-Doo movies.

[36:40] So they've been

Dan McCoy

[36:40] setting this up

[36:41] for a while.

[36:42] Yeah,

[36:42] yeah,

[36:42] this is a long time.

[36:43] They're setting up

[36:44] we haven't gotten to,

Elliott Kalan

[36:45] but yeah.

[36:45] So it says,

[36:46] this character was seen

[36:47] in Curse of the 13th

[36:48] Ghost and Return

[36:49] to Zombie Island,

[36:50] setting up his appearance here.

[36:51] Now,

[36:51] my question,

[36:52] you've been to

[36:52] Zombie Island once.

[36:53] You know there's zombies on it.

[36:54] Why are you returning

[36:55] to Zombie Island?

Stuart Wellington

[36:56] I mean,

[36:57] that's the question

[36:57] that the title raises,

[36:59] Elliot.

[36:59] That's why you're like,

[37:00] I gotta see

[37:00] what's so cool

[37:01] about this fucking

[37:02] zombie island.

Elliott Kalan

[37:04] I lost a ring on Zombie Island.

[37:06] We gotta go back.

Stuart Wellington

[37:09] So they,

[37:10] the pumpkins take over

[37:12] some construction equipment.

[37:14] That's not gonna be good.

[37:16] They then start interviewing

[37:21] Somehow,

[37:22] Scooby and Shaggy do,

[37:23] they take their Scooby snacks

[37:24] and then they flip over

[37:25] some things

[37:26] and land in the paddy wagon

[37:28] with Velma.

[37:30] Bill Nye gets distracted

[37:31] by the trick-or-treaters

[37:33] as we mentioned

[37:33] and the mystery machine

[37:35] starts misbehaving.

[37:37] Go on, Dan.

Dan McCoy

[37:37] I do,

[37:38] well,

[37:39] you know,

[37:39] they,

[37:40] you know,

[37:40] Scooby snacks,

[37:41] obviously a big part

[37:42] of Scooby-Doo lore.

[37:44] I,

[37:45] why are they,

[37:46] like,

[37:47] there's a product out there

[37:48] that's named after this dog?

[37:50] Is that what the,

[37:51] yes,

[37:51] we are to believe?

[37:52] Or maybe Scooby-Doo

[37:53] after the product.

Elliott Kalan

[37:54] Well,

[37:55] maybe Scooby is a brand

[37:56] of dog in this world.

[37:57] Not a brand,

[37:58] a breed of dog.

[37:59] Like,

[37:59] maybe a Scooby is a kind of dog.

[38:01] Yeah,

[38:01] or brand.

[38:02] I mean,

[38:02] dogs are all working

[38:03] on their brands these days,

[38:04] you know.

[38:06] They're all entrepreneurs.

[38:07] But it does seem,

[38:08] it is a packaged product.

[38:09] It's not something they make.

[38:11] Like,

[38:11] but maybe they named him after it,

[38:13] you know,

[38:13] like a dog.

Justin McElroy

[38:14] That's what Scoob suggests,

[38:15] right?

[38:16] I think is that

[38:17] he was named after the snack.

[38:18] Ah,

[38:19] okay.

[38:19] Yeah.

[38:19] Okay.

[38:20] You guys think,

[38:20] okay,

[38:20] real quick,

[38:21] quick,

[38:21] just don't even think about it.

[38:22] Sure.

[38:22] Sweet or savory?

Elliott Kalan

[38:24] I think savory.

[38:25] Yeah.

[38:26] Yeah.

[38:26] I think,

[38:27] well,

[38:27] actually,

Justin McElroy

[38:28] Uh-huh.

[38:29] The ones they made for kids

[38:31] are like graham cracker

[38:32] type things,

[38:34] but kids aren't gonna eat,

[38:35] you know,

[38:36] it tastes like chicken and a biscuit

[38:37] that kids aren't gonna eat.

[38:38] Yeah.

[38:38] No,

[38:38] they need sugar.

Elliott Kalan

[38:39] They like,

[38:40] yeah,

[38:40] kids love anything sweet

[38:41] and they hate anything not sweet.

[38:43] If my kids,

[38:43] my children who like to eat

[38:45] literally spoonfuls of sugar,

[38:47] like they're taking medicine

[38:48] from Mary Poppins,

[38:49] like.

[38:49] It's like,

[38:50] it's like when kids come into the bar,

Stuart Wellington

[38:51] I'm always like,

[38:52] hey,

[38:52] that cocktail they ordered,

[38:53] put another squirt of simple syrup in it.

Elliott Kalan

[38:55] I gotta say,

[38:56] put some complex syrup in that.

[38:58] It's gotta be real sweet.

Dan McCoy

[39:00] I've been going the other way.

[39:01] When I was a kid,

[39:02] I only liked sort of like salty things

[39:06] and I got,

[39:07] I got a,

[39:08] I got a sweet tooth

[39:09] as I grew older,

[39:11] which explains my expanding waistline,

[39:13] I think.

[39:13] I was gonna say,

Justin McElroy

[39:14] that's a bad time.

[39:15] That's when we're all least

[39:16] biologically capable

[39:17] of dealing with sweet teeth.

Elliott Kalan

[39:20] That's when you want your savory teeth

[39:21] to grow in.

[39:22] Now,

[39:22] I always assumed Scooby-Doo

[39:23] was named after Scooby-Doo.

[39:24] Savory teeth is my least favorite

Stuart Wellington

[39:25] Twisted Metal character.

Elliott Kalan

[39:26] I always thought he,

[39:29] he was named after Scooby-Doo

[39:31] by the Bruce J. Friedman

[39:32] off-Broadway play,

[39:33] but maybe that's not it.

[39:35] Maybe that's not the case.

[39:36] So,

[39:37] but let's say for the,

[39:38] let's say for the purposes

[39:39] of this moment

[39:40] of us talking about this show,

[39:41] that he exists in a world

[39:43] where there is a famous snack

[39:44] called Scooby Snacks.

[39:46] Scooby-Doo as a puppy loved them

[39:47] and so that he,

[39:48] they named him Scooby-Doo

[39:49] because a dog's body,

[39:51] when you think about it

[39:52] in that case,

[39:52] is a machine for turning Scooby

[39:54] into doo.

[39:55] And that's for the name.

[39:56] comes from everybody.

[39:57] Stuart,

[39:58] what's going on in that car chase?

[39:59] Okay,

Stuart Wellington

[40:00] so at this point,

[40:01] Velma,

[40:01] Shaggy,

[40:01] and Scooby are inside

[40:02] the armored truck

[40:03] and they're interrogating

[40:05] Then the construction equipment

[40:07] starts to tear apart

[40:08] that paddy wagon.

[40:09] Scarecrow suggests

[40:10] that there may be

[40:12] a different villain,

[40:12] that he's not behind

[40:13] all these pumpkins.

[40:15] Fred saves Mike

[40:16] and Michelle using the mystery

[40:18] machine's long arms

[40:19] and then it runs out

[40:20] of electric power

[40:20] probably because of

[40:22] all that shit.

[40:24] Velma tries to save

[40:25] the scarecrow

[40:25] from the jack-o'-lanterns

[40:26] but has to fight

[40:27] a bunch of them

[40:28] and then scarecrow

[40:29] puts on his suit

[40:30] and he does all kinds

[40:31] of fucking badass flips.

[40:33] He pulls out a scythe.

[40:35] Does he do that stuff

[40:35] in the comics?

Elliott Kalan

[40:37] I mean,

[40:38] I always,

[40:39] I don't,

[40:40] to be honest,

[40:40] whenever I've seen

[40:41] a scarecrow comic,

[40:42] he just uses fear gas

[40:43] to make people

[40:43] fall on the ground

[40:44] and then he runs away

[40:45] or steals something.

[40:46] I don't think of him

[40:46] as a badass fighter

[40:48] but everybody in this show is.

[40:49] They all have moves.

Dan McCoy

[40:51] This is the useful thing

[40:52] that they,

[40:53] like,

[40:53] where Velma

[40:54] has released him.

[40:55] Like,

[40:55] he is effective

[40:57] in, like,

[40:58] helping them fight

[40:59] but they set it up like,

[41:01] oh, Velma,

[41:01] like,

[41:02] I gotta go,

[41:02] like,

[41:03] get some clues from him

[41:04] and they have this scene

[41:05] that is kind of like,

[41:07] you know,

[41:08] Clarice visiting

[41:09] Hannibal Lecter,

[41:10] another thing that kids

[41:11] won't understand.

[41:12] Yeah,

[41:12] that's the reference

[41:13] that the kids

[41:13] are looking for, too.

Elliott Kalan

[41:14] Well,

[41:14] because she also does

[41:16] walk past Zaz in his cell

[41:17] and he throws a cup

[41:18] full of cum at her

[41:18] just like in Silence of the Lambs.

[41:20] Yeah, yeah.

Justin McElroy

[41:21] Zaz always gets.

[41:22] It would be the third

[41:23] weirdest thing

[41:24] in this movie

[41:25] if that did happen.

Dan McCoy

[41:27] But I don't think

[41:27] she actually gets any clues

[41:29] from, like,

[41:29] talking to him.

[41:30] Like,

[41:30] she already knew

[41:31] that he said

[41:31] that there was some

[41:32] other person in charge.

Elliott Kalan

[41:34] She gets nothing

[41:35] from the conversation.

[41:37] But then,

[41:37] yeah,

[41:38] he managed,

[41:39] he becomes a hero

[41:40] and saves them

[41:41] mainly because he's a big fan

[41:42] of Elvira,

[41:42] it turns out.

[41:43] Yeah,

[41:43] which makes sense.

Stuart Wellington

[41:44] The whole mystery

[41:46] incorporate plus Mike and Michelle

[41:47] all jump into Elvira's car.

[41:50] Mike and Michelle

[41:51] just keep being in this movie.

Justin McElroy

[41:53] super not clear why.

[41:54] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[41:55] He made a big promise

[41:56] about caramel corn,

[41:58] caramel corn.

Justin McElroy

[41:59] It's like a life debt.

[42:00] He's like,

[42:01] I've got to follow these kids

[42:01] to get them that caramel corn.

Stuart Wellington

[42:03] Yeah,

[42:03] otherwise,

[42:04] like a normal reaction

[42:05] would be like,

[42:06] I'm just going to leave

[42:07] these teenagers

[42:07] to be killed

[42:08] by these pumpkins,

[42:09] right?

[42:10] I have a daughter.

Elliott Kalan

[42:11] Yeah.

[42:11] Well,

[42:12] I mean,

[42:12] if I was somewhere

[42:14] with my young children,

[42:16] I wouldn't be like,

[42:17] we're an adventure now,

[42:18] kids.

[42:18] Like,

[42:19] hurry up.

[42:19] It's like,

[42:20] it's like,

[42:20] it's at any moment

[42:21] Mike and Michelle

[42:21] could just pull off

[42:22] on any exit

[42:23] and just go into a town

[42:24] and not be chased

[42:25] by pumpkin monsters.

[42:26] Yeah.

[42:27] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[42:28] So,

[42:29] the scarecrow

[42:31] gets overcome

[42:31] by the jack-o'-lanterns.

[42:32] Do we mention Mike's

Elliott Kalan

[42:33] in a cowboy costume?

[42:34] Oh, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[42:35] They're both dressed

[42:36] as cow folk.

[42:37] That's true.

[42:38] I forgot about that.

[42:38] Maybe that's part of it.

[42:39] Maybe dressed up

[42:39] as a cow folk,

[42:40] he's like,

[42:41] I feel a sense of,

[42:42] I'm honor bound

[42:43] in this,

[42:44] like,

[42:45] this western way.

Justin McElroy

[42:46] Yeah,

[42:46] I'm inhabiting the look.

Stuart Wellington

[42:48] Yeah,

[42:48] the character, yeah.

[42:49] So,

[42:51] they,

Elliott Kalan

[42:51] modern day Mike

[42:52] would run

[42:52] and save himself

[42:53] and his daughter,

[42:54] but old west Mike,

[42:55] he follows a different code.

[42:57] Yeah.

[42:57] He's gotta,

[42:58] he's gotta do what's right.

Stuart Wellington

[42:59] He follows the code

[43:00] that when their gas,

[43:01] their car runs out of gas,

[43:03] they abandon the vehicle

[43:04] and run off

[43:05] into the woods

[43:05] to a spooky house

[43:07] up a hill.

[43:08] They prepare to fight.

[43:09] Fred does this,

[43:10] like,

[43:10] predator,

[43:11] like,

[43:11] Dutch from Predator thing

[43:12] where he makes

[43:13] a bunch of fucking traps

[43:14] and then he,

[43:15] like,

[43:15] lights a bonfire.

Justin McElroy

[43:17] Which,

[43:17] which,

[43:17] uh,

[43:18] Daphne watches

[43:19] while eating popcorn

[43:20] and watches

[43:20] shirtless Fred

[43:21] set up all of his traps.

Dan McCoy

[43:24] These are much more

[43:24] violent traps,

[43:26] too,

[43:26] than you would expect.

[43:27] These are death traps.

[43:29] Yeah.

[43:29] They are killing

[43:30] these pumpkins.

Stuart Wellington

[43:30] So,

[43:32] uh,

[43:33] Scooby and Shaggy

[43:34] then make Velma

[43:36] eat a Scooby snack

[43:37] so they can follow her

[43:38] into her mind palace.

[43:40] I don't even know.

[43:42] The Scooby snack

[43:42] creates a bond,

[43:43] of course.

[43:44] You would expect

Elliott Kalan

[43:45] that the FDA

[43:45] would not allow

[43:47] this product

[43:47] on the market

[43:48] if it has this kind

[43:49] of psychotropic properties.

[43:51] This is something...

Justin McElroy

[43:51] You're trying...

[43:52] It's,

[43:53] it's clearly,

[43:53] like,

[43:53] leaning into the drug

[43:55] references

[43:56] of Shaggy,

[43:57] but it doesn't map

[43:59] to any sort of,

[44:00] like,

[44:00] it doesn't map

[44:01] one-to-one

[44:02] to a drug experience.

[44:04] I mean,

[44:04] they're treating it

[44:04] almost like,

[44:05] like,

[44:06] peyote or something

[44:07] where, like,

[44:07] we'll all eat

[44:08] the same Scooby snacks

[44:09] and we'll be bonded.

[44:10] Yeah.

[44:11] It's very strange.

Stuart Wellington

[44:12] Yeah.

[44:13] So they travel

[44:13] through Velma's

[44:14] memories of the

[44:15] inciting incident.

[44:18] They,

[44:19] they don't really

[44:20] figure anything out,

[44:21] right?

[44:21] They just,

[44:22] Well,

Stuart Wellington

[44:22] they do,

Dan McCoy

[44:22] because,

[44:23] like,

[44:23] apparently their

[44:24] consciousness merges

[44:25] enough that she

[44:27] sees the drone

[44:28] that Shaggy saw

[44:29] earlier that has

[44:31] the,

[44:32] the writing on it

[44:33] that will help

[44:34] crack the case.

Stuart Wellington

[44:35] Yeah.

[44:36] So the pumpkins

[44:36] arrive and all

[44:38] their cars just get

[44:39] wrecked.

[44:39] It's pretty crazy.

[44:40] And then,

[44:41] then Fred's traps

[44:42] murder a shitload

[44:43] of pumpkins.

[44:44] Then they charge

[44:45] and murder more

[44:46] pumpkins along

[44:47] with a musical montage.

[44:49] This was,

[44:49] this was pretty fun.

[44:51] And then despite all

Elliott Kalan

[44:52] there's,

[44:52] there's so much,

[44:53] so many points in the movie

[44:54] where they're like,

[44:54] I guess we got to

[44:55] fight some pumpkins

[44:56] and they're just

[44:57] massacring these pumpkins.

[44:58] Like,

[44:59] they could easily

[44:59] take out all of them

[45:00] and then at a certain

[45:01] point they go,

[45:02] oh,

[45:02] more pumpkins.

[45:03] We got to get out of here.

[45:04] And I never,

[45:04] I'm never quite sure

[45:05] how they make,

[45:06] do that mental math,

[45:07] but you got to keep

[45:08] the story moving,

[45:08] I guess.

[45:09] And there's that

[45:09] giant pumpkin

[45:10] that's the size

[45:10] of like an elephant.

[45:11] Yeah,

[45:11] I think they're mostly

[45:12] afraid of that big pumpkin.

[45:13] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[45:14] So despite all their

[45:15] efforts,

[45:15] they're surrounded.

[45:17] Velma admits

[45:18] that she is frightened

[45:19] and she then charges

[45:20] into the alpha pumpkin's mouth.

[45:23] Then an app

[45:24] shuts down

[45:25] all the pumpkins,

[45:25] turns out that

[45:26] they're all drones

[45:27] and that the alpha pumpkin

[45:28] and that the alpha pumpkin

Stuart Wellington

[45:28] is like a drone factory

[45:30] that like captures people

[45:31] and then takes their stuff

[45:33] and puts it on

[45:33] a new jack-o'-lantern

[45:35] and then keeps them

[45:36] in a crappy little

[45:37] like cell.

Elliott Kalan

[45:39] It's like,

[45:40] it's an elaborate way

[45:41] of making you think

[45:42] that people are being

[45:43] turned into pumpkin monsters

[45:44] when the pumpkin monsters

[45:46] would be just as effective

[45:47] if they didn't

[45:48] try to convince you

[45:49] that they were turning people

[45:50] into pumpkin monsters.

[45:51] Okay, real quick.

[45:52] eating people.

Stuart Wellington

[45:53] Justin, if you're captured

[45:55] by the alpha pumpkin,

[45:57] what of your garments

[45:58] would they take

[45:59] to put on a jack-o'-lantern

[46:00] to make us think,

[46:01] oh fuck,

[46:02] Justin's now a jack-o'-lantern?

Justin McElroy

[46:04] Yeah, I don't,

[46:04] a Hawaiian shirt,

[46:05] I guess,

[46:06] would be the one,

[46:08] maybe my woodworking goggles.

[46:10] Yeah, sure.

Elliott Kalan

[46:11] They would fly out

[46:12] wearing those

[46:12] and we'd say,

[46:12] it's a Mack-o'-lantern.

Justin McElroy

[46:13] We gotta get out of here.

[46:15] Yeah.

[46:16] Guys, as a Flophouse listener,

[46:18] I have made,

[46:21] I would say,

[46:22] not infrequent situation

[46:23] is me listening to the podcast

[46:25] with little to no familiarity

[46:26] of the film

[46:28] that you are describing.

[46:29] But I am listening

[46:31] to this discussion

[46:32] as both a viewer

[46:34] of the film

[46:34] and a listener

[46:35] and this has gotta be

[46:37] one of the ones

[46:38] that sounds the most amazing.

[46:40] This has gotta be

[46:41] way up there

[46:42] on like,

[46:43] Stuart is saying

[46:44] these things

[46:45] as if like,

[46:46] well,

[46:46] and then,

[46:46] you know,

[46:47] the alpha pumpkin

[46:48] has been transforming

[46:49] them and the Velma

[46:51] is in the mind palace,

[46:52] with Shaggy

[46:52] and their consciousness

[46:53] is formed.

[46:54] It is indescribably strange.

[46:57] Yeah.

[46:57] Well,

Stuart Wellington

[46:58] the amount of times

[46:58] I had to pause the movie

[47:00] to be like,

[47:00] okay,

[47:01] I gotta write some sentences

[47:02] down.

[47:04] Also,

Dan McCoy

[47:05] hearing it described

[47:06] back to me

[47:07] like,

[47:07] really has

[47:09] sort of undone

[47:10] like a,

[47:11] a lodestone

[47:12] of like,

[47:13] Scooby-Doo

[47:14] in general

[47:15] where I'm just like,

[47:16] okay,

[47:16] wait,

[47:16] hold on,

[47:17] why does the villain

[47:18] need to convince

[47:19] everyone else

[47:20] that something supernatural

[47:21] is happening?

[47:24] Yeah.

[47:25] Yeah.

[47:25] It's never been adequately

Elliott Kalan

[47:26] answered in 50 years

[47:28] of Scooby-Doo

[47:29] productions.

[47:31] It's,

[47:31] I mean,

[47:32] I think

[47:32] what I,

[47:34] it's basically

[47:35] just a means

[47:36] to get these

[47:37] incredibly charismatic

[47:38] characters,

[47:40] Shaggy,

[47:40] a cowardly hippie,

[47:42] Scooby-Doo,

[47:43] a cowardly dog,

[47:44] Velma,

[47:45] a smart nerd,

[47:47] Daphne,

[47:47] a blank,

[47:48] a sociopath

[47:49] whose mask

[47:49] hides nothing behind it,

[47:51] and Fred

[47:52] who's kind of,

[47:53] you know,

[47:53] a lumbering lunkhead

[47:55] with a sweater on.

[47:56] It's just to get

[47:56] those guys in action

[47:57] and traps.

[47:58] It's just to get

[47:59] them in action

[47:59] and hope that they

[48:00] eventually run into

[48:01] the Three Stooges

[48:02] or perhaps Sonny and Cher

[48:03] or Tim Conway

[48:04] or someone else

[48:05] that you'd see on TV

[48:06] in the 1970s,

[48:07] you know?

[48:08] It's wild

Stuart Wellington

[48:08] because you see,

[48:09] you see in the

[48:10] character select screen

[48:11] you'd see Fred

[48:12] and you'd be like,

[48:12] he's a bruiser,

[48:13] he's just gonna go in there,

[48:14] he's gonna hit big

[48:16] but he's gonna be slow

[48:16] but you wouldn't expect

[48:18] him to be a trap character

[48:19] but whatever,

[48:19] man,

[48:20] you know,

[48:20] it's cool.

[48:20] Sometimes games

[48:21] change it up.

Dan McCoy

[48:22] It is funny seeing

[48:23] like those old

[48:23] celebrity Scooby-Doo's

[48:25] because you have

[48:25] the same sensation

[48:26] like when you're

[48:26] watching an old

[48:27] Muppet show

[48:28] where you're like,

[48:28] I guess this person

[48:29] was popular at one point.

[48:31] I don't know

[48:32] who they are.

[48:32] Like,

[48:33] you know,

[48:33] sometimes you get

[48:33] a Mark Hamill

[48:34] and then sometimes

[48:35] you get someone

[48:35] and you're like,

[48:35] okay,

[48:36] they were a dancer,

[48:37] I guess?

Justin McElroy

[48:39] Along with Elvira,

[48:40] they late in the,

[48:41] almost at the end,

[48:42] reference a celebrity

[48:44] crossover that literally

[48:45] no child will enjoy

[48:47] or appreciate.

[48:49] There's a Phyllis Diller,

[48:50] nod.

[48:50] Yeah.

[48:51] It is absolutely bizarre.

[48:53] No reason to think

[48:54] that a child would enjoy that.

Elliott Kalan

[48:55] So what would be

[48:56] the modern day equivalent?

[48:57] If Scooby-Doo was doing

[48:58] with celebrities now,

[48:59] they did that,

[49:00] would it be like,

[49:01] I don't know,

[49:02] are they teaming up

[49:03] with Judge Judy

[49:03] or are they teaming up

[49:04] with Jim Parsons?

[49:06] Like,

[49:06] who would it be?

[49:07] I actually have an answer

[49:08] for this because they,

Justin McElroy

[49:10] the current series,

[49:11] or at least the most

[49:12] recent series,

[49:13] is called Scooby-Doo

[49:15] and Guess Who,

[49:17] which is,

[49:18] each episode is with

[49:20] a new celebrity.

[49:22] So,

[49:23] just recently,

[49:24] we have,

[49:25] the premiere episode

[49:26] was NBA basketball legend

[49:28] Chris Paul.

[49:30] Okay.

[49:30] And then,

[49:31] there's the ghost

[49:32] of Abraham Lincoln

[49:33] is in the next one.

[49:34] I mean,

[49:34] that's not,

[49:35] that doesn't seem

[49:36] like a real guest star.

Elliott Kalan

[49:37] I have to say.

[49:38] I mean,

[49:39] that's a pretty big get.

[49:40] If they can get him,

[49:41] I'd be excited.

[49:42] I mean,

[49:42] if it says ghost

[49:43] of Abraham Lincoln

[49:43] himself in the credits,

[49:45] then yes,

[49:46] that's a huge get.

[49:47] Yeah.

Justin McElroy

[49:47] This is the,

[49:48] so we've got,

[49:49] the next one is Wanda Sykes

[49:50] and then it's Sherlock Holmes

[49:52] and then it's Ricky Gervais

[49:55] and then it's Wonder Woman

[49:56] and then it's Penn and Teller.

[49:58] Ricky Gervais is going to tell

Stuart Wellington

[49:59] everybody to be atheists.

Justin McElroy

[50:01] Yeah.

[50:01] Is it Ricky Gervais

[50:02] as himself?

[50:03] It's got to be.

[50:04] Guys,

[50:04] I'm going to tell you the,

[50:06] I'm just trying to tell you

[50:07] that it's Ricky Gervais

[50:08] and then Wonder Woman

[50:09] and then Penn and Teller

[50:10] and then Urkel

[50:11] from Family Matters.

[50:12] Wait,

[50:12] but it's Urkel

[50:13] or it's Jaleel White?

[50:15] No,

[50:15] it's Urkel

[50:16] and then Jim Gaffigan

[50:18] and Weird Al

[50:19] and,

Elliott Kalan

[50:22] see ya.

[50:23] Yep.

[50:24] I love the idea,

[50:24] no,

[50:25] this is good

[50:25] because it's like

[50:26] Scooby-Doo and the Mystery Gang,

[50:27] they're like the man thing

[50:29] in the Marvel Comics

[50:30] who's the guardian

[50:31] of the nexus

[50:31] of all realities.

[50:32] So who knows

[50:33] what could pop out

[50:33] of Barbarian,

[50:34] Howard the Duck.

[50:35] The Scooby-Doo gang

[50:35] can meet anybody

[50:36] in any reality

[50:38] at any point in time.

[50:39] You know,

[50:40] that's pretty,

[50:40] that one week

[50:41] they're hanging out

[50:42] with Jordan Peterson

[50:43] and the next week

[50:44] it's them

[50:45] and Justin Bieber

[50:48] and the next week

[50:49] it's them

[50:49] and Rick Moranis.

[50:50] I guess these are just

[50:51] all Canadian people.

[50:51] Hold on.

[50:52] There's no end

[50:52] with your mind,

[50:53] Dallas.

Justin McElroy

[50:54] I'm losing it

[50:55] over here,

[50:56] guys,

[50:56] because then we've got

[50:57] what's described

[50:57] as comedy rocker

[50:59] Kenan Thompson,

[51:00] okay.

[51:01] Comedy rocker.

[51:02] Comedy rocker.

[51:03] Batman.

[51:04] Whoopi Goldberg.

[51:06] Halsey.

[51:08] Halsey.

[51:09] And then Mark Hamill.

[51:12] And then the Flash.

[51:15] And then George

[51:16] McKay.

[51:17] And then Steve

[51:19] Bush.

[51:19] Wait,

[51:20] Steve Buscemi said it?

[51:21] Buscemi.

[51:22] And then we check

[51:23] it with Jeff Dunham.

[51:27] And then Mark is

[51:29] going to take a real

[51:30] quick spin over

[51:30] to see Maddie Ziegler

[51:31] from Dance Bombs

[51:33] and then his head

[51:34] over the horizon

[51:35] it's Jeff Fox.

[51:36] For me.

[51:38] Followed up.

Elliott Kalan

[51:39] Followed up by

[51:40] Malcolm McDowell.

[51:42] What?

[51:44] Malcolm.

[51:45] So it sounds like

[51:47] they literally put

[51:49] the names of every

[51:50] human being in the

[51:51] world in a hat.

[51:53] And they just

[51:54] pick them out.

[51:55] Including some

[51:55] that are fictional

[51:55] characters.

[51:56] Including some

[51:57] fictional characters.

[51:59] Guys,

Justin McElroy

[51:59] while investigating

[52:00] a werewolf attack

[52:01] on Broadway,

[52:02] the gang runs into

[52:03] actor and voice talent

[52:04] Christian Slater

[52:05] who joins him

[52:06] on this heartbreaking

[52:07] song-filled

[52:08] musical mystery

[52:09] centered around

[52:10] the prom night

[52:11] that changed

[52:11] his life forever.

[52:13] And then it's

[52:13] finally Neil deGrasse

[52:14] Tyson.

[52:15] Heartbreaking.

[52:17] Holy.

[52:18] Season two just

[52:19] kicked off though.

[52:20] Make sure to get

[52:21] in there.

[52:22] You're going to

[52:22] meet Casey

[52:23] Musgraves and

[52:24] Morgan Freeman.

[52:26] Oh wow.

[52:27] A team of

[52:27] I never expected.

Elliott Kalan

[52:29] This week we're

[52:29] teaming up with

[52:30] Billie Eilish and

[52:31] next week it's

[52:32] Odysseus.

[52:32] And the week after

[52:33] that it's Arsenio

[52:34] Hall.

[52:35] And then the week

[52:35] after that it's

[52:36] Adam of Adam and

[52:37] Eve fame.

Justin McElroy

[52:39] Actually it's

[52:40] Kristen Schaal

[52:41] and Joey Chestnut.

[52:43] Joey Chestnut.

[52:44] Wow.

[52:49] Man alive.

[52:51] I'm so mad

[52:52] about James.

[52:52] If it goes

[52:54] if it continues

[52:55] in this direction

[52:56] it's going to be

[52:57] eventually Matthew

[52:58] Lillard.

[52:59] And it's going to be

[53:00] Ouroboros.

[53:02] The Shag

Stuart Wellington

[53:03] will eat his own

[53:04] tail.

Dan McCoy

[53:05] That's when the

[53:05] earth explodes.

[53:07] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[53:08] Okay.

[53:08] So the sheriff

[53:09] reveals his crazy

[53:10] plan.

[53:10] It turns out the

[53:11] sheriff's the

[53:11] villain.

[53:12] No big surprise.

[53:13] So the sheriff's

[53:14] the villain.

[53:15] He has a crazy

[53:15] plan to spend

[53:17] millions of

[53:17] dollars to

[53:18] slowly become a

[53:19] local sheriff and

[53:19] be mean to some

[53:20] teenagers and then

[53:21] steal some crystals

[53:22] and make more

[53:23] millions.

Elliott Kalan

[53:24] Well because he

[53:24] was a rich guy who

[53:26] the kids unmasked

[53:27] and got in

[53:29] trouble.

[53:29] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[53:29] So that justifies

[53:31] his spending

[53:32] millions.

[53:32] I'm just saying

[53:32] it's a revenge

[53:33] plot.

[53:33] I'm not saying

Elliott Kalan

[53:33] the sheriff didn't

[53:34] win the lottery

[53:35] and decide that

[53:35] he was going to

[53:36] spend that

[53:36] millions to get

[53:37] even with some

[53:38] kids.

[53:38] What I'm more

Elliott Kalan

[53:38] concerned about

Stuart Wellington

[53:38] is that the

[53:39] sheriff had

[53:39] illegally stolen

[53:40] the money or

[53:41] something.

Dan McCoy

[53:42] But can I say

[53:44] he's already

[53:44] failed once at

[53:45] this like I'm

[53:47] going to have a

[53:48] supernatural scam

[53:49] thing.

[53:50] Like if he's

[53:51] going to have

[53:52] revenge on the

[53:52] kids why don't

[53:53] just show up and

[53:53] shoot him.

Elliott Kalan

[53:54] Hey look Scorpion

[53:55] keeps getting

[53:56] caught by Spider-Man

[53:57] but every time

[53:57] he breaks out of

[53:58] jail he puts

[53:58] that damn

[53:59] tail back on

[53:59] and just tries

[54:00] to hit Spider-Man

[54:01] with it.

[54:02] People get stuck

[54:03] in cycles you

[54:04] know.

[54:05] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[54:06] Yeah because

[54:06] after a while

[54:07] you're like I

[54:08] spent so much

[54:08] time on learning

[54:09] how to use this

[54:10] fucking Scorpion

[54:11] tail.

[54:12] Yeah.

[54:12] I don't want to

[54:13] try and do

[54:13] something different.

Elliott Kalan

[54:14] He's like I'm

[54:15] too old to learn

[54:15] a new employment

[54:16] skill.

[54:17] This is just

[54:17] what I do.

Justin McElroy

[54:18] He didn't want

[54:19] to change his

[54:19] Twitter handle.

[54:21] Why do you

[54:21] think I'm still

[54:22] a comedy writer?

[54:23] It was so hard

Elliott Kalan

[54:23] for me to get

[54:24] at Scorpion

[54:24] one.

[54:25] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[54:27] So they track

[54:28] the sheriff's

[54:29] phone.

[54:29] They try to

[54:30] catch him but

[54:30] oh oh oh

[54:32] the scarecrow's

[54:32] already got him.

[54:34] His car's been

[54:35] abandoned.

[54:36] They wander.

[54:36] And it's just

Elliott Kalan

[54:37] implied that the

[54:38] scarecrow has

[54:38] taken him to

[54:39] torture or kill

[54:40] him.

[54:40] Like he's just

[54:40] gone in the

[54:41] scarecrow's

[54:42] clutches.

[54:42] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[54:43] So they then

[54:44] wander down the

[54:45] street with

[54:45] Elvira.

[54:46] They happen upon

[54:47] a Halloween

[54:47] party.

[54:48] They argue with

[54:48] the host who

[54:49] keeps inviting

[54:50] them and they

[54:50] keep trying to

[54:51] come up with

[54:51] excuses for why

[54:52] they shouldn't

[54:53] go to the

[54:53] party.

Elliott Kalan

[54:54] At this point

[54:54] in the movie I

[54:55] was like why

[54:56] is the movie

[54:56] still happening?

[54:57] Yeah.

[54:57] Why aren't

[54:58] they just

[54:58] joining this

[54:59] party?

[54:59] Why are they

[55:00] so resistant to

[55:01] being at this

[55:01] party?

[55:01] Shaggy and

Stuart Wellington

[55:02] Scooby see a

[55:03] snack station so

[55:03] they start to

[55:04] drool so much

[55:05] their drool

[55:05] becomes a river

[55:06] and then they

[55:07] stand up surf

[55:08] all the way to

[55:08] the snack station.

[55:12] Elvira reveals

[55:13] that she realizes

[55:13] Daphne's whole

[55:15] reason for trying

[55:16] to be mentored

[55:17] by Elvira is

[55:18] that so that she

[55:19] could take Elvira's

[55:20] clothes and be

[55:21] Elvira for

[55:22] Halloween.

[55:23] So Elvira gives

[55:24] Daphne her wig

[55:25] which is actually

[55:25] a monkey and

[55:27] then wanders

[55:28] away.

Dan McCoy

[55:29] Well also let's

[55:30] be clear.

[55:31] At first they're

[55:32] like hey was

[55:33] your plan to

[55:34] take Elvira's

[55:34] clothes for a

[55:36] costume and

[55:36] then it

[55:38] becomes implied

[55:39] that it's more

[55:40] like a single

[55:41] white female

[55:41] situation.

[55:43] That's when

Elliott Kalan

[55:43] they mention

[55:45] Phyllis Diller.

[55:45] They say we

[55:46] went on three

[55:46] mysteries with

[55:47] Phyllis Diller

[55:47] before we

[55:48] realized it

[55:48] was Daphne.

[55:51] So Phyllis

[55:52] Diller's body is

[55:53] just in a

[55:54] freezer somewhere

[55:55] while Daphne

[55:56] was running

[55:56] around with

[55:56] her clothes.

[55:58] But yeah I

[55:58] think the

[55:59] moment when

[55:59] Elvira takes

[56:00] off her wig

[56:00] and it's

[56:01] revealed to

[56:01] be a big

[56:02] ape that

[56:02] sits on

[56:02] her head

[56:03] was I

[56:04] think when

[56:04] the movie

[56:04] kind of

[56:05] entered a

[56:05] new realm

[56:06] for me.

Dan McCoy

[56:07] Yeah bald

[56:09] Elvira wanders

[56:10] off and sort

[56:11] of gives an

[56:11] outro to the

[56:12] movie.

[56:12] Yeah a little

Stuart Wellington

[56:13] cryptiever

[56:13] outro.

[56:14] Her head

[56:15] turns around

[56:15] and she's

[56:15] got a scary

[56:16] face.

Elliott Kalan

[56:17] Famously

[56:17] red-haired

[56:18] Cassandra

[56:18] Peterson

[56:18] suddenly walking

[56:19] away bald

[56:20] for some

[56:20] reason.

Dan McCoy

[56:21] Yeah because

[56:22] they have to

[56:22] have the

[56:22] reveal where

[56:23] her neck

[56:24] twists all

[56:25] the way

[56:25] around like

[56:26] an owl

[56:26] and she

[56:27] has a

[56:28] weird alien

[56:29] face on

[56:30] the back

[56:30] of her

[56:30] bald head.

Elliott Kalan

[56:32] Again not

[56:33] for kids.

Justin McElroy

[56:33] Not a good

[56:34] fit for

[56:34] children at

Elliott Kalan

[56:35] all.

[56:35] The movie

[56:36] in the last

[56:37] five minutes

[56:37] it kind of

[56:39] gives a glimpse

[56:40] of what this

[56:40] movie could

[56:41] have been

[56:41] if it was

[56:42] even crazier.

[56:43] the movie is

[56:46] like it's

[56:46] riding this

[56:47] thing where

[56:47] it's like

[56:48] yeah I guess

[56:48] it's Scooby

[56:49] Do but it's

[56:49] a little

[56:49] sillier and

[56:50] then the

[56:50] end is

[56:50] just like

[56:51] hey you

[56:51] know what

[56:51] this is

[56:52] what you

[56:52] could have

[56:52] been watching

[56:52] just conquers.

Stuart Wellington

[56:55] A glimpse

[56:56] of the madness

[56:56] is happy

[56:57] Halloween

[56:58] Scooby

[56:58] Do.

[56:59] So what's

[57:00] the next

[57:00] part of the

[57:00] podcast Dan?

[57:01] Well we

Dan McCoy

[57:02] gotta make

[57:02] our final

[57:03] judgments

[57:03] on this

[57:03] movie whether

[57:04] it's a

[57:05] good bad

[57:05] movie a

[57:06] bad bad

[57:06] movie or

[57:07] a movie

[57:07] kind of

[57:08] liked.

[57:09] I will

[57:09] say so if

[57:11] you were a

[57:12] bigger Scooby

[57:12] Do fan

[57:13] like Audrey

[57:14] was eating

[57:15] this up so

[57:15] I have to

[57:16] assume that

[57:16] if you like

[57:17] Scooby Do

[57:17] this is like

[57:18] the Citizen Kane

[57:19] of Scooby

[57:19] Do films.

[57:21] I liked a lot

[57:22] of the

[57:22] silliness.

[57:24] I gotta

[57:24] admit like

[57:25] at a certain

[57:26] point the

[57:27] movie started

[57:27] dragging for

[57:28] me which is

[57:28] crazy because

[57:29] it is only

[57:30] 70 minutes

[57:30] long and

[57:31] so much

[57:32] crazy stuff

[57:33] is happening

[57:33] at all

[57:34] times but

[57:35] there came

[57:36] a point where

[57:36] I'm like

[57:37] alright I

[57:38] know that the

[57:39] ending to this

[57:40] is not gonna

[57:41] make any sense

[57:42] let's just

[57:42] get to the

[57:43] illusion of

[57:43] the mystery

[57:44] but I

[57:46] guess marginally

[57:47] look if this

[57:48] is your thing

[57:49] it was fun

[57:50] I kind of

[57:51] liked it but

[57:52] it's borderline

[57:53] what do you

[57:55] guys have to

[57:55] say?

Elliott Kalan

[57:57] I would say

[57:58] also that I

[57:58] kind of liked

[57:59] it I'd give it

[57:59] a more

[58:00] full-throated

[58:01] recommendation

[58:01] than Dan did

[58:02] I would say

[58:03] it does drag

[58:04] a little in

[58:04] the four hours

[58:05] or so that

[58:06] they spend

[58:06] driving on

[58:07] the road but

[58:07] that's just

[58:08] based on

[58:09] reality they

[58:09] said Crystal

[58:10] Cove is

[58:10] this far away

[58:11] from the

[58:11] nearest town

[58:11] we cannot

[58:12] have them

[58:13] drive less

[58:13] because people

[58:14] are gonna be

[58:14] like wait a

[58:15] minute there

[58:15] are no towns

[58:15] that close to

[58:16] Crystal Cove

[58:16] they've got to

[58:17] be on the road

[58:17] longer than that

[58:18] and I totally

[58:18] understand not

[58:19] wanting to end

[58:19] up in the

[58:20] goof section

[58:20] of IMDB

[58:21] but otherwise

[58:22] as someone who

[58:23] is not a fan

[58:24] it was fun to

[58:25] see a Scooby-Doo

[58:26] thing where I was

[58:27] like oh there's

[58:27] like a lot of

[58:28] funny jokes in

[58:29] this and but

[58:30] like Dustin

[58:30] was saying it's

[58:31] not all meta

[58:32] jokes you know

[58:33] there's some but

[58:34] it's not all

[58:35] like them just

[58:36] undercutting what

[58:37] what a Scooby-Doo

[58:38] should be and

[58:39] until we get

[58:40] that gritty

[58:41] realistic reboot

[58:42] a la Detective

[58:43] Pikachu then this

[58:44] is the best we're

[58:45] gonna get so I

[58:46] say I kind of

[58:47] liked it

[58:47] yeah it's

Stuart Wellington

[58:48] basically that

[58:48] Venture Brothers

[58:49] episode

[58:49] I think I'll

[58:52] join you guys

[58:53] I'll say it's a

[58:54] movie I kind of

[58:55] like I will say

[58:55] that trying to

[58:56] write a plot

[58:57] summary for this

[58:58] movie was like

[58:59] Pecos Bill

[59:00] trying to

[59:01] lasso a

[59:02] fucking world

[59:03] but stuff

[59:08] stuff certainly

[59:09] happened

[59:10] yeah and

Dan McCoy

[59:12] Justin I think

[59:13] you might be the

[59:13] most positive

Justin McElroy

[59:14] well it's just

[59:16] you know as you

[59:17] watch enough

[59:17] animated films as

[59:19] a parent that

[59:20] so many of them

[59:22] are and Elliot

[59:24] contests this so

[59:25] many of them the

[59:26] work has not been

[59:27] put into not

[59:29] even making it

[59:30] something adults

[59:32] can enjoy but

[59:32] just like a

[59:33] functional piece

[59:34] of entertainment

[59:36] yeah when you

[59:36] stumble on something

[59:37] like that it's

[59:38] almost kind of a

[59:38] nice surprise like

[59:39] we turned it on

[59:40] around Halloween

[59:40] because I don't

[59:41] know Scooby-Doo

[59:42] it's a new

[59:42] Halloween movie

[59:43] and it you know

[59:44] whatever kids

[59:45] they watched Scoob

[59:46] and enjoyed it

[59:47] which is doesn't

[59:48] speak well of

[59:49] their character

[59:50] but they have

[59:51] two parents I'm

[59:52] only half of

[59:52] their parents so

Elliott Kalan

[59:53] the whole time

[59:55] they were clapping

[59:56] and laughing at

[59:57] Scoob you would

[59:57] turn to your wife

[59:58] and say this is

[59:59] your these are

[59:59] your genes

[1:00:00] this is your

[1:00:01] genes

[1:00:01] this is not

[1:00:01] my genetics

Justin McElroy

[1:00:02] it's like it's

[1:00:04] just kind of a

[1:00:04] relief when you

[1:00:05] find something

[1:00:05] it's like oh

[1:00:06] somebody actually

[1:00:07] tried on this

[1:00:08] like somebody

[1:00:08] actually put the

[1:00:09] work in and

[1:00:09] made this like

[1:00:10] made some good

[1:00:11] jokes in here

[1:00:11] I can watch

[1:00:13] this 30 times

[1:00:14] and not be

[1:00:14] driven mad

[1:00:15] so yeah on

[1:00:17] that on that

[1:00:18] basis I

[1:00:19] I think it's a

[1:00:20] quality piece of

[1:00:21] of entertainment

[1:00:22] you're not going

[1:00:23] to go in

[1:00:24] getting your guts

[1:00:26] busted constantly

[1:00:27] as an adult

[1:00:27] but if you go

[1:00:29] in a little

[1:00:29] in the right

[1:00:30] frame of mind

[1:00:31] there's a lot

[1:00:32] of fun fun

[1:00:33] stuff going on

[1:00:33] it is surprisingly

[1:00:34] there's a lot

[1:00:36] of adult comedies

[1:00:37] that do not

[1:00:37] deliver as many

[1:00:38] laughs as this

[1:00:40] as this film does

[1:00:40] I will say that

[1:00:41] we're we're

[1:00:42] in a stage in

[1:00:43] Hollywood where

[1:00:44] actually funny

[1:00:45] comedies are

[1:00:46] are pretty

[1:00:47] hard to come by

[1:00:48] so this

[1:00:49] this will have

[1:00:50] to do

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:52] to do

[1:00:53] screams the

[1:00:53] quote on the

[1:00:54] box

Justin McElroy

[1:00:57] to Scooby

[1:00:57] Do

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:57] in a world

[1:01:00] bereft of

[1:01:01] truly funny

[1:01:02] adult comedies

[1:01:03] to Scooby

[1:01:03] Do

[1:01:04] that's the name

[1:01:05] of the next

[1:01:06] film

[1:01:07] to Scooby

[1:01:08] Do

[1:01:08] congratulations

Justin McElroy

[1:01:15] you've won

[1:01:17] a ticket

[1:01:17] to attend

[1:01:18] an exclusive

[1:01:19] opportunity

[1:01:20] in a relaxing

[1:01:21] environment

[1:01:21] with two lovers

[1:01:22] wow

[1:01:23] well this

[1:01:24] sounds like

[1:01:24] a sort of

[1:01:25] proposition

[1:01:26] of sorts

[1:01:27] but really

[1:01:27] it's an ad

[1:01:28] for our podcast

[1:01:29] wonderful

[1:01:30] it's a show

[1:01:31] we do here

[1:01:31] on Maximum Fun

[1:01:32] where we talk

[1:01:33] about things

[1:01:33] that we like

[1:01:34] and things

[1:01:34] that we're

[1:01:35] into

[1:01:35] I'm Rachel

[1:01:36] McElroy

[1:01:36] and you just

[1:01:37] heard Griffin

[1:01:37] McElroy

[1:01:38] and we are

[1:01:38] excited for you

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[1:01:40] as we talk

[1:01:40] about movies

[1:01:41] and music

[1:01:41] and books

[1:01:42] things like

[1:01:43] sneezing

[1:01:43] or the idea

[1:01:45] of rain

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:46] can you get

[1:01:48] news or

[1:01:49] information

[1:01:49] you can use

[1:01:50] absolutely

Justin McElroy

[1:01:51] you cannot

[1:01:52] because we're

[1:01:52] here to talk

[1:01:53] to you about

[1:01:54] pumpernickel bread

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:54] you can find

[1:01:55] new episodes

[1:01:56] on Wednesdays

[1:01:57] so catch

Justin McElroy

[1:01:57] the wave

Jesse Thorn

[1:01:59] I can remember

[1:02:01] as a child

[1:02:03] thinking it was

[1:02:04] odd

[1:02:05] that here was

[1:02:05] this can

[1:02:06] full of meat

[1:02:07] I'm Jesse

[1:02:08] Thorne

[1:02:08] this week

[1:02:09] on my show

[1:02:10] Bullseye

[1:02:10] David Letterman

[1:02:11] on shame

[1:02:12] regret

[1:02:13] and canned

[1:02:14] hams

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:15] is this the

[1:02:16] best delivery

Jesse Thorn

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Elliott Kalan

[1:03:08] now Dan

[1:03:09] I had an idea

[1:03:10] for a website

[1:03:10] and I was hoping

[1:03:11] that inspired

[1:03:12] by today's movie

[1:03:13] and I was wondering

[1:03:13] if Squarespace

[1:03:14] you think could help me

Dan McCoy

[1:03:15] probably

[1:03:16] but let's hear it

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:17] okay so this is a

[1:03:18] this is a business website

[1:03:19] it is called

[1:03:20] www.nonster.com

[1:03:22] that's n-o-n-n as in

[1:03:24] no as in non

[1:03:25] not a monster

[1:03:26] how many times

[1:03:27] has this happened

[1:03:28] to you

[1:03:28] you hear a story

[1:03:29] about a ghoul

[1:03:30] ghost

[1:03:31] monster

[1:03:31] gremlin

[1:03:32] or other

[1:03:33] fantastical being

[1:03:34] somewhere in our

[1:03:35] great nation

[1:03:36] you get in your van

[1:03:37] you get your friends

[1:03:38] together

[1:03:39] you get your talking

[1:03:39] dog with you

[1:03:40] you head to that

[1:03:41] location to see

[1:03:42] this cool monster

[1:03:43] of yourself

[1:03:43] only for it to

[1:03:44] turn out to be

[1:03:44] some dude

[1:03:45] who has plans

[1:03:46] for a public

[1:03:47] park and wants

[1:03:48] to buy it

[1:03:49] and turn it

[1:03:49] into a

[1:03:50] oil refinery

[1:03:50] so he's scaring

[1:03:51] people away

[1:03:52] by pretending

[1:03:52] to be like

[1:03:53] you know

[1:03:53] the Pittsburgh

[1:03:54] Palooka

[1:03:55] or something

[1:03:55] like that

[1:03:55] what a

[1:03:56] disappointment

[1:03:57] I wish

[1:03:58] I'd saved

[1:03:58] the time

[1:03:59] energy

[1:04:00] and the drive

[1:04:01] isn't the Pittsburgh

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:01] Palooka the nickname

[1:04:02] of the Lytown

[1:04:02] governor of Pennsylvania

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:03] that's a good point

[1:04:07] and very topical

[1:04:08] okay so instead

[1:04:09] let's call him

[1:04:09] the Boise

[1:04:10] boogeyman

[1:04:10] so you go all

[1:04:11] the way to Boise

[1:04:12] and not a boogeyman

[1:04:13] just some dude

[1:04:15] I wish that there'd

[1:04:16] been a website

[1:04:17] out there

[1:04:17] a kind of

[1:04:18] Snopes

[1:04:18] legend denying

[1:04:20] website

[1:04:21] that told me

[1:04:22] when it was a

[1:04:22] monster

[1:04:23] what I'm calling

[1:04:24] a nonster

[1:04:25] or not monster

[1:04:26] now I know

[1:04:26] there's some

[1:04:27] difficulty here

[1:04:27] because monster

[1:04:28] and nonster

[1:04:29] sound very similar

[1:04:30] be sure that you

[1:04:31] are putting in

[1:04:32] nonster with an

[1:04:33] N as in

[1:04:33] Norville

[1:04:34] not a monster

[1:04:35] with an M

[1:04:36] as in

[1:04:36] Morville

[1:04:37] which is what

[1:04:38] you would say

[1:04:38] if you wanted

[1:04:38] more of a

[1:04:39] vil

[1:04:39] this isn't

[1:04:40] enough town

[1:04:41] give me more

[1:04:41] of it

[1:04:42] whereas Norville

[1:04:42] is what you'd be

[1:04:43] saying if you're

[1:04:43] talking about

[1:04:44] Norville Jones

[1:04:44] the main

[1:04:45] character from

[1:04:45] the Miracle

[1:04:46] Morgan's Creek

[1:04:46] starring Eddie

[1:04:47] Bracken and

[1:04:47] Betty Hutton

[1:04:48] now

[1:04:48] www.noster.com

[1:04:50] it's your place

[1:04:52] for both

[1:04:52] public

[1:04:53] crowdsourced

[1:04:54] comments on

[1:04:54] what are real

[1:04:55] monsters and

[1:04:56] what are not

[1:04:56] and what

[1:04:57] basically what

[1:04:58] are real

[1:05:00] what are

[1:05:00] nah

[1:05:00] real

[1:05:01] nonsters

[1:05:02] so we have

[1:05:03] people all over

[1:05:03] the place

[1:05:04] it's like

[1:05:05] ways but for

[1:05:06] nonsters

[1:05:07] and they send

[1:05:08] in their

[1:05:08] reports and

[1:05:08] you can just

[1:05:09] look it up

[1:05:09] tip tap

[1:05:10] that's you

[1:05:10] typing in

[1:05:11] the nonster's

[1:05:11] name on the

[1:05:12] keyboard

[1:05:12] and it turns

[1:05:14] out that

[1:05:14] the San

[1:05:15] Antonio

[1:05:15] psycho

[1:05:17] I thought it

[1:05:18] was some kind

[1:05:19] of toxic waste

[1:05:20] created humanoid

[1:05:21] chud

[1:05:21] nope it turns

[1:05:23] out it's just

[1:05:24] some guy who

[1:05:25] is trying to

[1:05:25] sell his

[1:05:26] minor league

[1:05:26] baseball team

[1:05:27] to a different

[1:05:28] city and

[1:05:29] wants it to

[1:05:30] seem that the

[1:05:30] stadium is

[1:05:31] haunted

[1:05:31] I don't mean

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:32] to split hairs

[1:05:32] here but you

[1:05:33] just said

[1:05:33] humanoid

[1:05:34] chud and

[1:05:34] now aren't

[1:05:35] chuds

[1:05:35] always humanoid

[1:05:36] isn't that

[1:05:36] part of the

[1:05:37] description

[1:05:37] that's like

[1:05:37] saying ATM

[1:05:38] machine

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:38] that's a

[1:05:40] very good

[1:05:40] point and

[1:05:41] you know

[1:05:41] what forget

[1:05:42] the whole

[1:05:42] website

[1:05:43] you just

[1:05:43] figured out

[1:05:44] that I don't

[1:05:45] know what I'm

[1:05:45] talking about

[1:05:46] that's why we

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:46] have these

[1:05:47] kind of rap

[1:05:47] sessions right

[1:05:48] so I can

[1:05:48] poke holes

[1:05:49] and find out

[1:05:50] if there's

[1:05:50] any mistakes

[1:05:51] no I appreciate

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:52] it I appreciate

[1:05:53] it so when I

[1:05:54] said instead

[1:05:55] of humanoid

[1:05:56] chud maybe I

[1:05:56] should have

[1:05:57] said some

[1:05:57] kind of

[1:05:58] some kind

[1:06:00] of Leonid

[1:06:01] chud

[1:06:02] kind of lion

[1:06:03] based

[1:06:03] cannibalistic

[1:06:04] humanoid

[1:06:05] underground

[1:06:05] I don't know

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:06] if it would

[1:06:06] have worked

[1:06:07] but it's

[1:06:07] over now

[1:06:07] you know

[1:06:08] we're

[1:06:08] past it

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:08] that's true

[1:06:09] we can't

[1:06:10] change the

[1:06:10] past and

[1:06:11] I'm just

[1:06:11] Monday morning

[1:06:12] quarterbacking

[1:06:12] at this

[1:06:12] point

[1:06:13] so anyway

[1:06:14] that's

[1:06:14] www.nonster.com

[1:06:17] website I am

[1:06:18] now officially

[1:06:18] canceling

[1:06:19] because Stuart

[1:06:20] has pointed

[1:06:21] out that I'm

[1:06:21] the wrong

[1:06:21] person to

[1:06:22] run it

[1:06:22] Dan maybe

[1:06:23] you want to

[1:06:23] take this

[1:06:24] on but

[1:06:24] Squarespace

[1:06:24] I think it's

[1:06:25] the company

[1:06:25] to help

[1:06:25] you

Dan McCoy

[1:06:26] well that

[1:06:27] that was

[1:06:27] certainly

[1:06:28] an effective

[1:06:28] ad for

[1:06:29] Squarespace

[1:06:30] Stuart do

[1:06:31] you have

[1:06:31] a Jumbotron

[1:06:32] for us

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:33] I do

[1:06:33] have a

[1:06:34] Jumbotron

[1:06:36] garbage

[1:06:38] warlocks

[1:06:38] Alex and

[1:06:39] Ian dive

[1:06:40] head first

[1:06:41] into the

[1:06:41] raging dumpster

[1:06:42] fire that

[1:06:43] is seasonal

[1:06:45] anime

[1:06:45] join them as

[1:06:47] they uncover

[1:06:47] hidden gems

[1:06:48] discuss how a

[1:06:50] snake girl

[1:06:50] would wear a

[1:06:51] onesie

[1:06:52] and hand

[1:06:53] out awards

[1:06:54] to the best

[1:06:54] shows at

[1:06:55] the end of

[1:06:56] every season

[1:06:57] with almost

[1:06:58] two years

[1:06:59] worth of

[1:07:00] episodes

[1:07:00] there's plenty

[1:07:01] of goofs

[1:07:02] and random

[1:07:02] tangents

[1:07:03] to dive

[1:07:03] into

[1:07:04] look for

[1:07:05] the

[1:07:06] protagonist

[1:07:07] seat

[1:07:08] podcast

[1:07:09] on YouTube

[1:07:10] iTunes

[1:07:10] or wherever

[1:07:11] you get

[1:07:12] your podcasts

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:13] now when

[1:07:14] they say

[1:07:15] seasonal

[1:07:15] anime

[1:07:15] they mean

[1:07:16] do they mean

[1:07:17] anime that

[1:07:17] comes in

[1:07:18] seasons

[1:07:18] like TV

[1:07:18] seasons

[1:07:19] or do

[1:07:19] they mean

[1:07:19] like a

[1:07:20] very Akira

[1:07:20] Christmas

[1:07:21] that kind

[1:07:21] of stuff

[1:07:21] that is

Stuart Wellington

[1:07:22] a question

[1:07:23] that is

[1:07:23] not

[1:07:24] explained

[1:07:25] I can't

[1:07:25] answer it

[1:07:26] but maybe

[1:07:26] I mean

[1:07:27] maybe there

[1:07:28] is like

[1:07:28] fall anime

[1:07:29] summer anime

[1:07:32] maybe that's

[1:07:33] it yeah

[1:07:33] yeah

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:34] like happy

[1:07:35] 4th of July

[1:07:36] project

[1:07:36] Eko

[1:07:37] like that

[1:07:37] kind of

[1:07:38] stuff

[1:07:38] yeah

[1:07:38] okay

[1:07:39] all my

[1:07:40] anime references

[1:07:40] as you can

[1:07:41] tell are 30

[1:07:41] years old

Stuart Wellington

[1:07:42] yeah

[1:07:43] yeah

[1:07:45] Ranma

[1:07:46] half is now

[1:07:46] Ranma 43

[1:07:47] and a half

[1:07:48] right

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:48] I guess

[1:07:50] anyway

[1:07:51] it's been a

Stuart Wellington

[1:07:52] long time

[1:07:52] I don't

[1:07:53] know

[1:07:53] yeah

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:53] happy

[1:07:54] dragon's

[1:07:55] balls

[1:07:55] giving

[1:07:55] everyone

[1:07:56] so I

[1:07:57] have another

[1:07:57] jumbotron

[1:07:58] this is a

[1:07:59] message for

[1:07:59] Nathan

[1:08:00] and this

[1:08:00] message is

[1:08:01] from

[1:08:01] Sarah

[1:08:02] and Sarah

[1:08:03] writes to

[1:08:03] Nathan

[1:08:04] she says

[1:08:04] happy 40th

[1:08:06] you're one of

[1:08:06] my oldest

[1:08:07] friends

[1:08:07] and now

[1:08:07] you're also

[1:08:08] old

[1:08:09] in capital

[1:08:09] letters

[1:08:10] I'm so glad

[1:08:11] we've remained

[1:08:11] friends all

[1:08:12] these years

[1:08:12] I'm inspired

[1:08:13] by how much

[1:08:13] you've

[1:08:14] accomplished

[1:08:14] you're truly

[1:08:15] the Stuart

[1:08:15] Wellington

[1:08:16] to my

[1:08:16] Elliot

[1:08:16] Kalen

[1:08:17] John is

[1:08:17] obviously

[1:08:18] Dan

[1:08:18] which means

[1:08:19] Ellis must

[1:08:19] be the

[1:08:20] Flophouse

[1:08:21] house cat

[1:08:21] it's perfect

[1:08:22] love and hugs

[1:08:23] to you both

[1:08:23] Sarah

Dan McCoy

[1:08:24] how sweet

[1:08:26] that's a sweet

[1:08:27] message

[1:08:27] and I wish I

[1:08:28] knew who all

[1:08:29] these people

[1:08:29] were so I

[1:08:30] could see

[1:08:31] who we

[1:08:32] you know

[1:08:32] track toward

[1:08:33] who we

[1:08:34] match up

[1:08:34] with

[1:08:35] yeah

[1:08:36] so guys

[1:08:39] you know

[1:08:41] Sharko and

[1:08:41] Hippo is

[1:08:42] still available

[1:08:42] Stuart still

[1:08:43] still owns

[1:08:44] some bars

[1:08:45] I mean

[1:08:45] Sharko and

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:45] Hippo

[1:08:46] for people

[1:08:46] who are

[1:08:46] just checking

[1:08:47] in

[1:08:47] is a book

[1:08:47] that I

[1:08:48] wrote

[1:08:48] it's not

[1:08:48] otherwise

[1:08:49] that sentence

[1:08:50] that Dan

[1:08:50] said

[1:08:50] would

[1:08:51] though true

[1:08:51] would seem

[1:08:52] completely

[1:08:52] incomprehensible

[1:08:53] they'd be like

Stuart Wellington

[1:08:55] what is that

[1:08:56] then they'd

[1:08:56] google it

[1:08:56] and hopefully

[1:08:57] the first

[1:08:57] google result

[1:08:58] would be

[1:08:58] the book

[1:08:59] you wrote

[1:08:59] and not

[1:08:59] something

[1:09:00] I don't

[1:09:00] know

[1:09:00] weird

[1:09:01] or

[1:09:02] no

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:02] probably

[1:09:02] it would

[1:09:02] be

[1:09:03] nonster.com

[1:09:03] telling you

[1:09:04] that Sharko and

[1:09:04] Hippo

[1:09:05] are not real

[1:09:05] monsters

[1:09:06] they are in

[1:09:06] fact the

[1:09:06] stars of

[1:09:07] my new

[1:09:07] children's

[1:09:08] book Sharko

[1:09:08] and Hippo

[1:09:08] but Sharko

[1:09:15] I'm Casey

[1:09:17] Kasem

Stuart Wellington

[1:09:17] and Minnie's

[1:09:18] bar which is

[1:09:19] barring after

[1:09:19] slightly not as

[1:09:20] many years

[1:09:21] but it's still

[1:09:21] barring

[1:09:22] I'm Casey

[1:09:23] Kasem

[1:09:24] Dan are you

[1:09:26] also Casey

Dan McCoy

[1:09:26] Kasem

[1:09:26] I'm also

[1:09:27] Casey

[1:09:28] Kasem

[1:09:28] and Elliot

[1:09:30] is Casey

[1:09:31] Kasem

[1:09:32] and back to

[1:09:34] the show

[1:09:34] alright

[1:09:36] well next

[1:09:38] we move on

[1:09:38] to letters

[1:09:39] and the first

[1:09:41] letter

[1:09:41] is from

[1:09:42] Marlena

[1:09:43] last name

[1:09:44] withheld

[1:09:45] who writes

[1:09:46] Marlena

[1:09:47] one of the

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:48] great legends

[1:09:48] of the screen

[1:09:49] it's an honor

[1:09:49] to get a letter

[1:09:50] from her

Dan McCoy

[1:09:50] she writes

[1:09:52] I just

[1:09:53] listened to

[1:09:53] your recent

[1:09:54] episode

[1:09:55] with Mike

[1:09:56] Rice

[1:09:56] and I

[1:09:57] thought I'd

[1:09:57] share the

[1:09:58] story of

[1:09:58] why that's

[1:09:59] a big deal

[1:09:59] for me

[1:10:00] so here's

[1:10:01] a tale

[1:10:01] of how

[1:10:01] a brief

[1:10:02] encounter

[1:10:02] with Mike

[1:10:03] Rice

[1:10:03] made me

[1:10:04] accidentally

[1:10:05] and hopefully

[1:10:05] temporarily

[1:10:06] ruin the

[1:10:06] Simpsons

[1:10:07] for myself

[1:10:07] I think

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:08] his name

[1:10:08] might be

[1:10:08] pronounced

[1:10:09] Reese

Dan McCoy

[1:10:09] yeah

[1:10:10] I was

[1:10:11] confused

[1:10:12] too

[1:10:12] and I

[1:10:13] spelled

[1:10:13] rice

[1:10:14] yeah

[1:10:15] I

[1:10:15] looked up

[1:10:16] the

[1:10:16] pronunciation

[1:10:17] of

[1:10:18] that

[1:10:18] name

[1:10:19] and

[1:10:19] the

[1:10:20] internet

[1:10:21] said

[1:10:21] rice

[1:10:21] but I

[1:10:22] don't know

[1:10:22] if

[1:10:22] let's

[1:10:23] say

[1:10:23] Mike

[1:10:23] Reese

[1:10:23] let's

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:24] call him

[1:10:25] Mike

[1:10:25] Simpsons

Dan McCoy

[1:10:26] yeah

[1:10:27] Mike

[1:10:27] Simpsons

[1:10:27] this

[1:10:28] this

Dan McCoy

[1:10:28] brings

[1:10:28] me

[1:10:28] to

[1:10:29] a

[1:10:29] few

[1:10:29] winters

[1:10:29] ago

[1:10:30] my

[1:10:30] dad

[1:10:30] and I

[1:10:30] went

[1:10:31] to

[1:10:31] the

[1:10:31] museum

[1:10:31] of

[1:10:31] modern

[1:10:32] art

[1:10:32] for a

[1:10:32] showing

[1:10:32] of

[1:10:32] silent

[1:10:33] comedy

[1:10:33] something

[1:10:33] we both

[1:10:34] love

[1:10:34] when the

[1:10:35] couple

[1:10:35] next to us

[1:10:36] took their seats

[1:10:37] and started

[1:10:37] talking to each

[1:10:38] other I

[1:10:38] tensed with

[1:10:39] recognition

[1:10:39] that's a

[1:10:40] Simpsons writer

[1:10:41] I whispered to

[1:10:42] my dad

[1:10:42] I was certain

[1:10:43] it was Mike

[1:10:44] Simpsons

[1:10:45] whose voice

[1:10:45] I had been

[1:10:46] listening to

[1:10:46] in commentaries

[1:10:47] for all those

[1:10:48] years

[1:10:49] I surreptitiously

[1:10:50] googled

[1:10:51] the mask

[1:10:51] to the face

[1:10:51] to the name

[1:10:52] and yes

[1:10:52] it was

[1:10:53] definitely

[1:10:53] him

[1:10:53] there wasn't

[1:10:54] time to do

[1:10:54] or say

[1:10:55] anything

[1:10:55] since the

[1:10:55] movies

[1:10:56] began

[1:10:56] shortly

[1:10:56] after

[1:10:57] I did

[1:10:58] enjoy

[1:10:58] finding out

[1:10:59] what jokes

[1:10:59] Mike

[1:11:00] Simpsons

[1:11:01] laughed at

[1:11:01] though

[1:11:02] I'm a pretty

[1:11:03] reserved and

[1:11:04] somewhat socially

[1:11:05] anxious person

[1:11:05] so I knew

[1:11:06] I would need

[1:11:08] my dad's

[1:11:09] prompting

[1:11:09] to tell

[1:11:10] Mike

[1:11:10] that I was

[1:11:10] a huge

[1:11:11] fan

[1:11:11] after the

[1:11:12] screening

[1:11:12] unfortunately

[1:11:13] my dad

[1:11:13] is even

[1:11:14] more reserved

[1:11:14] than I

[1:11:15] and when I

[1:11:15] asked if I

[1:11:16] should say

[1:11:16] something

[1:11:17] he did

[1:11:17] not

[1:11:17] encourage

[1:11:18] it

[1:11:18] so I

[1:11:19] didn't

[1:11:19] say

[1:11:19] anything

[1:11:20] a decision

[1:11:20] I regretted

[1:11:21] pretty much

[1:11:21] instantly

[1:11:22] after leaving

[1:11:22] the theater

[1:11:23] this regret

[1:11:24] was compounded

[1:11:25] when my mom

[1:11:25] and friends

[1:11:26] I told

[1:11:26] assured me

[1:11:27] that he

[1:11:27] probably

[1:11:27] would have

[1:11:28] been flattered

[1:11:28] and not

[1:11:28] annoyed

[1:11:29] by the

[1:11:29] intrusion

[1:11:30] the regret

[1:11:31] icing on

[1:11:31] the cake

[1:11:32] was realizing

[1:11:33] that I had

[1:11:33] actually been

[1:11:34] wearing my

[1:11:34] Bartman

[1:11:35] sweatshirt

[1:11:36] to the

[1:11:36] screening

[1:11:36] now I said

[1:11:38] I'm an

[1:11:38] anxious person

[1:11:39] and I have

[1:11:39] trouble

[1:11:40] compartmentalizing

[1:11:41] so instead

[1:11:41] of just

[1:11:41] having a

[1:11:42] twinge

[1:11:42] of regret

[1:11:43] when I

[1:11:43] listened

[1:11:43] to the

[1:11:43] commentaries

[1:11:44] I had

[1:11:45] soured

[1:11:46] the entire

[1:11:46] experience

[1:11:47] of the

[1:11:47] Simpsons

[1:11:47] for myself

[1:11:48] I couldn't

[1:11:49] casually

[1:11:49] watch an

[1:11:50] episode

[1:11:50] without

[1:11:51] thinking of

[1:11:51] what a

[1:11:52] mistake

[1:11:52] I'd made

[1:11:53] as time

[1:11:54] has passed

[1:11:54] I've started

[1:11:54] to watch

[1:11:55] again but

[1:11:55] never with

[1:11:55] the same

[1:11:56] fervor and

[1:11:56] joy as I

[1:11:57] used to

[1:11:57] have

[1:11:57] well there

[1:11:58] might be

[1:11:58] other reasons

[1:11:59] so it was a

[1:12:01] big step

[1:12:01] wow

[1:12:02] big dig on

[1:12:02] the show

[1:12:03] it's hard

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:06] for a show

[1:12:06] to maintain

[1:12:06] consistent

[1:12:07] quality over

[1:12:08] 30 years

[1:12:08] and 4 million

[1:12:09] episodes but

[1:12:10] come on

[1:12:10] Dan

Dan McCoy

[1:12:11] I watched

[1:12:12] till very

[1:12:13] recently

[1:12:13] so it was a

[1:12:14] big step

[1:12:15] when I listened

[1:12:15] to your episode

[1:12:16] with Mike

[1:12:17] as a guest

[1:12:17] and didn't

[1:12:18] feel any

[1:12:19] psychic pain

[1:12:19] maybe I'm

[1:12:20] back on my

[1:12:21] way to

[1:12:21] wholeheartedly

[1:12:22] loving my

[1:12:22] favorite show

[1:12:23] again

[1:12:23] the next

[1:12:24] step is

[1:12:25] wearing all

[1:12:25] my various

[1:12:26] Simpsons

[1:12:26] shirts again

[1:12:27] thank you

[1:12:29] peaches for

[1:12:29] being part

[1:12:30] of the

[1:12:30] healing

[1:12:30] process

[1:12:31] Marlena

[1:12:31] last name

[1:12:32] withheld

[1:12:32] I just

[1:12:33] you know

[1:12:34] wanted to

[1:12:35] share that

[1:12:35] that moment

[1:12:36] of healing

[1:12:37] the flop

[1:12:38] house is

[1:12:39] here

[1:12:39] it weighs

[1:12:40] big and

[1:12:40] small

[1:12:40] yeah and

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:41] you know

[1:12:42] what if you

[1:12:42] ever run

[1:12:42] into him

[1:12:43] again

[1:12:43] introduce

[1:12:44] yourself

[1:12:44] as

[1:12:45] as

[1:12:45] long time

[1:12:46] listeners may

[1:12:47] remember I

[1:12:47] have long

[1:12:48] regretted that I

[1:12:49] never sent

[1:12:49] Ray Harryhausen

[1:12:50] a fan letter

[1:12:50] because I was

[1:12:51] always like I'll

[1:12:52] get around to it

[1:12:53] and then of

[1:12:53] course he was

[1:12:53] an old man

[1:12:54] and he passed

[1:12:54] away

[1:12:55] but the way

[1:12:57] to do it

[1:12:57] just a tip

[1:12:58] for next time

[1:12:59] is not to do

[1:12:59] it the way

[1:13:00] my grandma

[1:13:00] does where

[1:13:01] there was more

[1:13:02] than one occasion

[1:13:03] where she and I

[1:13:03] would be at the

[1:13:04] theater me and my

[1:13:05] grandmother who I

[1:13:05] love and

[1:13:06] Wallace Shawn

[1:13:07] from Princess Bride

[1:13:08] would be in the

[1:13:08] audience and she

[1:13:09] would ask me

[1:13:09] who he was

[1:13:10] and what his

[1:13:11] name was

[1:13:11] mere seats

[1:13:13] away from the

[1:13:14] man himself

[1:13:14] and I would try

[1:13:16] to surreptitiously

[1:13:16] say oh that's

[1:13:17] that's Wallace

[1:13:18] Shawn what

[1:13:18] what's his name

[1:13:19] his father

[1:13:19] was the editor

[1:13:20] of the New

[1:13:20] Yorker

[1:13:21] what's his name

[1:13:21] and it was

[1:13:22] it was always

[1:13:23] excruciating

[1:13:24] and then after the

[1:13:25] fact I found it

[1:13:25] pretty funny

Dan McCoy

[1:13:26] and also

[1:13:27] famously kind of

[1:13:28] a grumpy man

[1:13:29] so I'm sure

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:29] I'm sure he did

[1:13:31] not enjoy

[1:13:31] having someone

[1:13:32] having an old

[1:13:33] woman loudly

[1:13:33] near him

[1:13:34] question who

[1:13:35] he is

Justin McElroy

[1:13:36] I have

[1:13:37] long

[1:13:38] tried to

[1:13:39] encourage people

[1:13:39] that like

[1:13:40] if you see

[1:13:40] someone whose

[1:13:41] work you enjoy

[1:13:41] I don't care

[1:13:42] how famous

[1:13:43] they are

[1:13:43] I think

[1:13:45] everyone always

[1:13:45] likes to hear

[1:13:46] I like the

[1:13:47] things you make

[1:13:48] that's a little

[1:13:48] especially if you're

[1:13:49] having a

[1:13:50] kind of a bummer

[1:13:51] day

[1:13:51] I think that's

[1:13:52] I can't imagine

[1:13:52] a situation

[1:13:53] where I wouldn't

[1:13:53] want someone

[1:13:54] to be like

[1:13:54] good

[1:13:55] you're good

[1:13:56] as long as you

[1:13:58] don't bend their

[1:13:59] ear I think I agree

[1:14:00] with you

[1:14:00] yeah

[1:14:00] yeah the seedy

[1:14:02] underbelly of that

[1:14:03] advice is that one

[1:14:04] time I was at the

[1:14:05] LAX and I saw

[1:14:07] John C.

[1:14:07] McGinley and I

[1:14:09] thought I'm gonna

[1:14:09] go over there and

[1:14:10] say hi to John C.

[1:14:11] McGinley I love

[1:14:11] John C.

[1:14:12] McGinley we're in

[1:14:13] line at the

[1:14:14] thing you know in

[1:14:16] the TSA line so

[1:14:17] like we kept

[1:14:18] serpentining past

[1:14:20] each other and I

[1:14:20] had all these

[1:14:21] opportunities I'm

[1:14:22] gonna do it now

[1:14:23] I'm gonna do it

[1:14:23] now and

[1:14:24] afterwards I was

[1:14:24] kicking myself

[1:14:25] like damn it

[1:14:26] should have said

[1:14:27] something to John

[1:14:27] C.

[1:14:28] McGinley and as I

[1:14:29] was boarding my

[1:14:29] plane I realized

[1:14:31] in my head

[1:14:32] it was John C.

[1:14:33] Riley and if I

[1:14:34] had gone up to

[1:14:35] him and I

[1:14:36] had gone up to

[1:14:38] him I would have

[1:14:39] said Mr.

[1:14:39] McGinley

[1:14:40] Mr.

[1:14:41] McGinley I'm sure

[1:14:42] you get this all

[1:14:43] the time which I

[1:14:44] doubt he does

[1:14:44] because his name

[1:14:45] is John C.

[1:14:46] Riley I would

[1:14:49] have been stoked

[1:14:49] to do it John

[1:14:50] C.

[1:14:50] McGinley too but

[1:14:51] I saved myself

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:52] that time.

[1:14:53] Jumped into some

[1:14:53] like scrub scenes

[1:14:55] and stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:57] That's why it's

[1:14:58] always a good idea

[1:14:58] as the letter

[1:14:59] writer said to

[1:15:00] google the person

[1:15:01] just to make sure

[1:15:01] you got everything

[1:15:02] right.

Dan McCoy

[1:15:03] I would say judge

[1:15:03] the vibe see if

[1:15:04] they're in a good

[1:15:05] mood.

[1:15:05] I did see Adam

[1:15:07] Scott at Tootsie

[1:15:09] the Broadway show

[1:15:10] of Tootsie and

[1:15:12] afterwards like I

[1:15:14] was very close to

[1:15:15] him and if I had

[1:15:16] been one person

[1:15:16] closer I would

[1:15:18] have told him how

[1:15:18] much I love Piranha

[1:15:20] 3D which is not

[1:15:21] ironic but he

[1:15:23] kind of looked like

[1:15:23] he was keen on

[1:15:25] getting out of

[1:15:26] there and not

[1:15:26] being impossible.

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:27] He saw Tootsie

[1:15:28] there's no way

[1:15:29] that's why he

[1:15:29] was probably still

[1:15:30] laughing.

[1:15:31] You would have

[1:15:31] been the second

[1:15:32] best part of his

[1:15:33] night after seeing

[1:15:34] Tootsie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:35] Well I mean it's

[1:15:36] kind of famous

[1:15:36] among Broadway

[1:15:37] hounds that he

[1:15:38] was lobbying very

[1:15:39] hard for the lead

[1:15:40] role in Tootsie

[1:15:40] and did not get

[1:15:41] it and he went

[1:15:42] to every show

[1:15:43] just to scowl

[1:15:44] through it and

[1:15:44] think about how

[1:15:45] much better he

[1:15:45] would have been

[1:15:46] in that role.

[1:15:48] That was the

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:50] guy from Crazy

[1:15:51] Ex-Girlfriend

[1:15:52] right?

[1:15:53] Who actually

[1:15:53] played it.

[1:15:54] Yeah I think so.

[1:15:55] Yeah yeah.

[1:15:55] Yeah Rachel Bloom.

[1:15:57] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:59] That's not a guy

[1:15:59] and it's not the

[1:16:00] person who was in

[1:16:01] Tootsie.

[1:16:01] That's the star

[1:16:01] of Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

Dan McCoy

[1:16:03] Second and final

[1:16:04] letter of the

[1:16:06] evening or

[1:16:07] morning whenever

[1:16:08] you listen.

[1:16:09] Amy last name

[1:16:10] withheld writes

[1:16:11] Amy Adams.

[1:16:12] Again hugely

[1:16:13] impressive.

[1:16:14] Yeah.

[1:16:14] I'm writing to

[1:16:15] ask if you

[1:16:16] could all name

[1:16:16] a pet after

[1:16:17] any character

[1:16:18] from a movie

[1:16:19] what name

[1:16:20] would you

[1:16:20] choose?

[1:16:21] Thanks for

[1:16:21] the great

[1:16:22] podcast.

[1:16:22] Amy last name

[1:16:23] withheld.

[1:16:24] I gotta say

[1:16:25] my last two

[1:16:26] cats have been

[1:16:27] named after

[1:16:30] old movie

[1:16:32] stars.

[1:16:33] Not necessarily

[1:16:34] their characters.

[1:16:36] In one case

[1:16:37] named after the

[1:16:38] character that

[1:16:38] came to be

[1:16:39] identified with

[1:16:39] them.

[1:16:39] My first

[1:16:40] cat Lulu

[1:16:41] was named

[1:16:42] after Louise

[1:16:43] Brooks who

[1:16:44] was often

[1:16:45] called Lulu

[1:16:45] because of

[1:16:46] her character

[1:16:46] in Pandora's

[1:16:48] Box.

[1:16:49] And we

[1:16:50] called her

[1:16:51] that because

[1:16:52] early on

[1:16:53] Lulu did

[1:16:54] not make

[1:16:54] any noise

[1:16:55] and we

[1:16:56] thought is

[1:16:56] this cat

[1:16:57] mute?

[1:16:58] And so a

[1:16:59] silent film

[1:17:00] star came

[1:17:02] to my mind

[1:17:03] and Archie

[1:17:04] is named

[1:17:05] after Archie

[1:17:07] Leach which

[1:17:07] is Cary

[1:17:08] Grant's

[1:17:08] real name.

[1:17:11] But guys

[1:17:13] do you

[1:17:13] have

[1:17:13] characters

[1:17:14] for movies

[1:17:14] you would

[1:17:15] name your

[1:17:16] cats after

[1:17:16] or dogs

[1:17:17] or pets

[1:17:17] of any

Stuart Wellington

[1:17:18] kind?

[1:17:18] Sure.

[1:17:18] I mean

[1:17:18] the main

[1:17:19] reason why

[1:17:19] I think

[1:17:20] Charlene's

[1:17:20] not going

[1:17:21] to let

[1:17:21] me ever

[1:17:21] buy a

[1:17:21] dog or

[1:17:22] adopt a

[1:17:23] dog is

[1:17:24] because I

[1:17:25] would 100%

[1:17:26] name them

[1:17:26] after the

[1:17:26] most noble

[1:17:27] of all the

[1:17:27] Jedi.

[1:17:28] That's

[1:17:28] right.

[1:17:29] Key

[1:17:29] Doggy

[1:17:29] Mundy or

[1:17:30] Key

[1:17:31] Doggy

[1:17:32] or Dog

[1:17:33] Addie

[1:17:33] Mundy.

[1:17:34] I don't

[1:17:34] decide which

[1:17:35] one I

[1:17:35] want to

[1:17:35] go.

[1:17:35] Or Rodney

Dan McCoy

[1:17:36] Doggerfield.

Stuart Wellington

[1:17:37] Dogney

[1:17:38] Doggerfield.

[1:17:39] That's

[1:17:39] already taken

[1:17:40] and also

[1:17:40] not a

[1:17:41] character.

[1:17:41] That's

[1:17:41] the actor.

[1:17:43] I'm talking

[1:17:44] about the

[1:17:44] Key Addie

[1:17:45] Doggy.

[1:17:45] It's kind of

Dan McCoy

[1:17:45] the character

[1:17:46] he played

[1:17:46] eventually.

[1:17:47] That's true.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:50] Anybody else?

[1:17:51] Probably

[1:17:51] The Thin

[1:17:52] Man is

[1:17:52] one of my

[1:17:52] favorite movies.

[1:17:53] Of course

[1:17:53] I'd name

[1:17:54] it after

[1:17:55] the titular

[1:17:55] Thin

[1:17:55] Man,

[1:17:56] Claude

[1:17:56] Winant.

[1:17:57] So my

[1:17:57] dog,

[1:17:58] Claude

[1:17:58] Winant,

[1:17:58] or maybe

[1:17:59] it's a

[1:17:59] fish or

[1:17:59] a cat,

[1:18:00] that's

[1:18:01] what I'd

[1:18:01] name him,

[1:18:02] or her,

[1:18:03] Claude

[1:18:03] Winant.

[1:18:04] Sorry,

[1:18:04] Clyde

[1:18:05] Winant.

[1:18:07] Probably

Justin McElroy

[1:18:07] Teddy

[1:18:07] KGB

[1:18:08] from

[1:18:08] Rounder.

[1:18:09] Sure.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:13] Because the

[1:18:14] pet's

[1:18:15] accent is

[1:18:16] outrageous.

[1:18:17] I'll

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:17] splash the

[1:18:18] dog food

[1:18:19] whenever I

[1:18:20] want.

Justin McElroy

[1:18:22] It seems

[1:18:22] like it

[1:18:23] would be

[1:18:23] fun to

[1:18:23] have a

[1:18:23] dog named

[1:18:24] Teddy KGB.

[1:18:25] Sure.

[1:18:26] It would

[1:18:26] be good

[1:18:26] now that I

[1:18:27] think about

[1:18:27] it.

[1:18:28] I came up

[1:18:28] with that

[1:18:28] in the

[1:18:28] moment,

[1:18:28] but I

[1:18:29] think it

[1:18:29] would be

[1:18:29] good.

[1:18:30] Sometimes

[1:18:30] it's

[1:18:30] the best

[1:18:30] one.

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:31] So,

[1:18:32] I mean,

[1:18:33] Scooby-Doo

[1:18:33] tells us,

[1:18:34] as we've

[1:18:34] postulated

[1:18:35] that a

[1:18:35] dog is

[1:18:36] named

[1:18:36] That'd be

[1:18:36] a good

[1:18:36] one,

[1:18:36] too.

[1:18:38] Scooby-Doo

[1:18:38] is named

[1:18:38] after,

[1:18:39] dogs are named

[1:18:39] after the

[1:18:40] foods they

[1:18:40] like best.

[1:18:41] So I

[1:18:41] guess if I

[1:18:41] had a

[1:18:41] dog,

[1:18:42] he'd

[1:18:42] be named

[1:18:43] pill wrapped

[1:18:43] in cheese.

Justin McElroy

[1:18:48] Okay.

[1:18:49] Does that

[1:18:49] mean I

[1:18:49] have to

[1:18:50] start calling

[1:18:50] my two-year-old

[1:18:51] old Pringles?

[1:18:52] Yes.

[1:18:52] Because that's

[1:18:53] her whole

[1:18:54] thing.

[1:18:55] Carpet

[1:18:56] Pringles.

[1:18:56] Get over

[1:18:57] here.

[1:18:59] Earlier

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:59] before recording

[1:19:00] this, my

[1:19:00] family and I,

[1:19:01] we went out

[1:19:01] to play some

[1:19:02] baseball at

[1:19:02] the local

[1:19:03] rec center,

[1:19:04] just the

[1:19:05] family,

[1:19:06] and my

[1:19:07] younger son,

[1:19:07] the two-year-old,

[1:19:08] was holding a

[1:19:08] rice cake,

[1:19:09] and every

[1:19:10] time a tiny

[1:19:10] grain of rice

[1:19:11] cake would

[1:19:12] fall on the

[1:19:12] ground,

[1:19:12] he would

[1:19:13] scrabble for

[1:19:13] it.

[1:19:14] That was the

[1:19:14] one he wanted

[1:19:14] to eat the

[1:19:15] most,

[1:19:15] and I'd

[1:19:15] have to

[1:19:15] pull it

[1:19:16] from his

[1:19:16] hand and

[1:19:16] throw it

[1:19:17] away,

[1:19:17] and he

[1:19:17] literally has

[1:19:18] a whole

[1:19:18] rice cake

[1:19:18] in his

[1:19:19] hand,

[1:19:19] but it's

[1:19:19] like each

[1:19:20] grain in

[1:19:20] the dirt

[1:19:21] is what

[1:19:21] he wants

[1:19:21] to eat.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:24] What a

[1:19:24] country,

[1:19:25] am I

[1:19:25] right?

[1:19:28] In this

[1:19:28] economy?

[1:19:29] So now

[1:19:31] the last

[1:19:31] segment comes,

[1:19:32] and that is

[1:19:33] recommendations,

[1:19:34] movies that

[1:19:35] maybe,

[1:19:35] you know,

[1:19:37] would be,

[1:19:37] an adult

[1:19:38] human would

[1:19:39] fully enjoy

[1:19:39] rather than

[1:19:41] watch it as

[1:19:43] a movie

[1:19:43] marathon along

Stuart Wellington

[1:19:44] with Happy

[1:19:45] Halloween

[1:19:45] Scooby-Doo.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:47] Sure.

[1:19:48] I want to

[1:19:48] recommend,

[1:19:50] I'm glad

[1:19:51] Justin is here

[1:19:52] for this.

[1:19:52] I may be

[1:19:53] recommending this

[1:19:53] in part because

[1:19:54] Justin is here.

[1:19:56] Yesterday,

[1:19:57] a friend of

[1:19:58] ours had a

[1:20:00] Tom Arnold

[1:20:01] marathon on

[1:20:02] Twitch of

[1:20:03] three movies

[1:20:04] released all,

[1:20:05] I believe,

[1:20:06] in 1996.

[1:20:06] he had Carpool,

[1:20:08] The Stupids,

[1:20:10] and Big

[1:20:10] Bully.

[1:20:11] That was Tom

[1:20:11] Arnold's big

[1:20:12] year, I guess,

[1:20:14] when they're

[1:20:14] really trying to

[1:20:14] make him happen.

[1:20:15] And I only

[1:20:17] saw in full

[1:20:18] The Stupids,

[1:20:19] which is the

[1:20:19] one I cared

[1:20:20] about because

[1:20:20] as a big

[1:20:21] My Brother,

[1:20:22] My Brother,

[1:20:23] and Me

[1:20:23] listener,

[1:20:24] I've heard it

[1:20:25] referenced many

[1:20:25] times.

[1:20:26] And I gotta

[1:20:27] say,

[1:20:28] it was very

[1:20:29] funny.

[1:20:29] I laughed a lot.

Justin McElroy

[1:20:30] It's really

[1:20:32] good.

[1:20:33] The Stupids

[1:20:33] holds up.

[1:20:34] It is fantastic.

Dan McCoy

[1:20:36] What a film.

[1:20:37] I think it

[1:20:37] was not

[1:20:38] appreciated because

[1:20:39] as the title

[1:20:40] would suggest,

[1:20:41] it is very

[1:20:42] stupid.

[1:20:43] But it is

[1:20:44] stupid in a

[1:20:45] smart way.

[1:20:45] They have

[1:20:46] really put a

[1:20:47] lot of work

[1:20:47] into creating

[1:20:49] a house of

[1:20:50] cards that

[1:20:50] pays off

[1:20:51] by the end

[1:20:53] of just

[1:20:53] idiotic

[1:20:55] misapprehensions.

[1:20:57] I don't think

[1:20:58] everyone in it

[1:21:00] is doing a

[1:21:00] great job.

[1:21:01] I kind of

[1:21:02] feel like

[1:21:02] Mrs. Stupid

[1:21:03] is playing

[1:21:04] stupid more

[1:21:05] than Tom

[1:21:06] Arnold.

[1:21:06] I believe

[1:21:07] with my

[1:21:07] full heart

[1:21:08] and soul

[1:21:09] that he

[1:21:09] is this

[1:21:10] stupid

[1:21:12] But

[1:21:12] Jesus,

[1:21:13] it's a hard

[1:21:14] one to

[1:21:14] recommend to

[1:21:15] people because

[1:21:15] they might

[1:21:16] watch and

[1:21:16] be like,

[1:21:17] what is

[1:21:17] wrong with

[1:21:18] you?

[1:21:18] But I

[1:21:18] was watching

[1:21:19] it and

[1:21:19] being like,

[1:21:19] I can't

[1:21:20] imagine anyone

[1:21:20] not laughing

[1:21:21] at this.

Stuart Wellington

[1:21:23] There's an

[1:21:23] actor named

[1:21:24] Bug Hall

[1:21:24] in it.

[1:21:25] Yeah.

[1:21:26] Plays Buster

[1:21:26] Stupid.

[1:21:27] Okay.

[1:21:28] Yeah.

Justin McElroy

[1:21:29] Bug Hall,

[1:21:30] it's hilarious.

[1:21:31] You and I

[1:21:31] had a,

[1:21:32] we watched

[1:21:32] the entire

[1:21:33] Bug Hall

[1:21:34] omnibus because

[1:21:35] I watched

[1:21:35] Little Rascals

[1:21:36] with my kids

[1:21:37] last week.

[1:21:38] So those are

[1:21:38] all the Bug

[1:21:39] Hall movies.

[1:21:41] Now he played

[1:21:41] Alfalfa in that

[1:21:42] one.

[1:21:43] Now that is

[1:21:43] all the

[1:21:44] Bug Hall

[1:21:45] films.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:45] Oh,

[1:21:45] he's in a bunch

[1:21:47] of other movies

[1:21:47] it turns out

[1:21:48] as a more

[1:21:48] of a grown up.

[1:21:49] I didn't realize

[1:21:49] this Bug

[1:21:50] Hall.

[1:21:50] Like Atlas

[1:21:50] Shrugged

[1:21:51] Part 2

[1:21:51] apparently he's

[1:21:52] in.

Stuart Wellington

[1:21:54] Max Landis

[1:21:55] is in it

[1:21:56] as a graffiti

[1:21:56] artist?

[1:21:57] Oh,

[1:21:57] damn,

[1:21:57] he must have

[1:21:58] loved that.

[1:21:58] It's a

[1:21:59] John Landis

[1:21:59] directed film.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:00] Oh,

[1:22:01] yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:01] John Landis,

[1:22:02] he doesn't

[1:22:02] murder anyone

[1:22:03] in this one,

[1:22:03] right?

[1:22:03] No,

[1:22:04] he does not

[1:22:04] murder.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:04] How many

[1:22:05] people died

[1:22:05] during the

[1:22:06] making of

[1:22:06] The Stupid

[1:22:06] Sting?

[1:22:07] If anyone

[1:22:08] died,

[1:22:08] he covered

[1:22:09] it up

[1:22:09] effectively.

[1:22:10] Wait,

[1:22:10] and there's

[1:22:10] a cameo

[1:22:11] in it

[1:22:11] according to

[1:22:12] Wikipedia

[1:22:12] from director

[1:22:13] Costa Goveris,

[1:22:14] so that's

[1:22:14] pretty amazing.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:16] David Cronenberg

[1:22:17] is in it as

[1:22:18] well.

[1:22:18] There are a lot

[1:22:18] of directors

[1:22:19] cameos.

Justin McElroy

[1:22:20] Nick Garris.

[1:22:22] I'm not

[1:22:22] recommending

[1:22:22] The Little

[1:22:23] Rascals,

[1:22:23] but I do

[1:22:24] want to say

[1:22:24] that Donald

[1:22:24] Trump is

[1:22:25] in The Little

[1:22:25] Rascals

[1:22:25] as the

[1:22:26] father of

[1:22:26] the rich

[1:22:27] kid.

[1:22:27] Oh,

[1:22:27] right.

[1:22:28] And there's

[1:22:28] an outtake

[1:22:29] where he

[1:22:29] reaches over

[1:22:30] and steals

[1:22:31] this lady's

[1:22:31] popcorn,

[1:22:33] and it's

[1:22:34] clearly,

[1:22:34] like,

[1:22:35] improvised.

[1:22:36] He,

[1:22:36] like,

[1:22:36] reaches over

[1:22:37] and steals

[1:22:37] this lady's

[1:22:37] popcorn

[1:22:38] and eats

[1:22:38] some of it.

[1:22:39] And it's

[1:22:39] like,

[1:22:40] oh,

[1:22:40] that's a

[1:22:40] funny

[1:22:40] outtake.

[1:22:41] Okay,

[1:22:41] fine,

[1:22:42] put that

[1:22:42] in.

[1:22:42] There's a

[1:22:43] different

[1:22:43] outtake,

[1:22:44] and then

[1:22:44] they cut

[1:22:44] back to

[1:22:44] this one,

[1:22:45] and they

[1:22:45] showed

[1:22:45] Donald

[1:22:46] Trump

[1:22:46] spitting

[1:22:47] the

[1:22:47] chewed

[1:22:48] up

[1:22:48] popcorn

[1:22:48] onto

[1:22:49] the

[1:22:49] person

[1:22:49] sitting

[1:22:50] in front

[1:22:50] of them

[1:22:51] and say,

[1:22:51] this popcorn

[1:22:52] really is

[1:22:52] terrible.

[1:22:53] That is

[1:22:54] not improvised.

[1:22:55] That is

[1:22:55] just what he

[1:22:56] was doing

[1:22:56] with this

[1:22:57] human life.

[1:22:58] And they

[1:22:58] caught it

[1:22:58] on film,

[1:22:59] and they

[1:23:00] just put it

[1:23:01] in the

[1:23:02] outtakes.

[1:23:03] He was

[1:23:03] really a

[1:23:04] terrible

[1:23:04] person.

[1:23:04] Always.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:06] It's not

[1:23:07] like power

[1:23:07] drove him

[1:23:08] mad.

[1:23:08] He was

[1:23:08] always a

[1:23:09] bad person.

[1:23:10] He sucks

[1:23:11] always.

[1:23:11] Dan,

[1:23:12] the Wikipedia

[1:23:12] list of

[1:23:13] celebrity

[1:23:13] came out

[1:23:14] for the

[1:23:14] stupids

[1:23:14] makes me

[1:23:15] want to

[1:23:15] see it

[1:23:15] because it's

[1:23:15] almost like

[1:23:16] a Scooby-Doo

[1:23:16] series.

[1:23:17] You've got

[1:23:18] Jenny McCarthy,

[1:23:19] okay,

[1:23:19] it was made

[1:23:19] in the

[1:23:19] 90s.

[1:23:19] Then you've

[1:23:20] got Atom

[1:23:20] Egoion,

[1:23:21] Norman

[1:23:21] Jewison,

[1:23:22] Robert Wise,

[1:23:22] Guillaume

[1:23:23] Panticorvo.

[1:23:25] John Landis

[1:23:25] is really

[1:23:26] calling in

[1:23:26] all of his

[1:23:27] director buddies

[1:23:28] to be in

[1:23:29] the stupids.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:30] It has a lot

[1:23:30] of very,

[1:23:31] very strange

[1:23:32] jokes in it

[1:23:32] that you

[1:23:33] would not

[1:23:33] expect.

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:35] That sounds

[1:23:36] great.

[1:23:37] It's funny

[1:23:37] you mentioned

[1:23:38] David Cronenberg.

[1:23:39] I'm going to

[1:23:39] recommend a

[1:23:40] movie called

[1:23:40] Possessor

[1:23:41] or Possessor

[1:23:43] Uncut,

[1:23:43] which is directed

[1:23:44] by the son

[1:23:45] of David

[1:23:46] Cronenberg,

[1:23:46] Brandon

[1:23:47] Cronenberg.

[1:23:49] It is a

[1:23:50] nice little

[1:23:51] gross thriller.

[1:23:52] It's kind

[1:23:53] of like if

[1:23:53] you took a

[1:23:55] laser disc of

[1:23:55] a Christopher

[1:23:56] Nolan movie

[1:23:56] and kind of

[1:23:57] like pressed

[1:23:58] your thumb on

[1:23:58] it to slow

[1:23:59] the whole thing

[1:23:59] down.

[1:24:00] It's a high

[1:24:02] concept about

[1:24:03] an assassin

[1:24:03] who using

[1:24:05] technology

[1:24:06] transfers her

[1:24:07] consciousness

[1:24:08] into somebody

[1:24:09] else's brain

[1:24:10] and uses

[1:24:10] them to

[1:24:11] kill people.

[1:24:13] It's super

[1:24:14] slow and

[1:24:15] gross and

[1:24:17] I liked it

[1:24:17] a lot.

[1:24:18] So Possessor.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:19] Stuart, I

[1:24:20] want to say

[1:24:20] that's what I

[1:24:23] recommended.

[1:24:23] I just

[1:24:24] watched it.

[1:24:24] That's what I

[1:24:25] recommended if

[1:24:25] I hadn't

[1:24:27] decided to

[1:24:27] throw caution

[1:24:28] to the wind

[1:24:29] and recommend

[1:24:29] the stupid

[1:24:30] ones.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:32] Should I go

[1:24:33] next?

[1:24:34] Sure.

[1:24:35] film drama

[1:24:36] from the

[1:24:37] early 70s.

[1:24:40] movie called

[1:24:40] Cinderella

[1:24:40] Liberty starring

[1:24:41] James Caan and

[1:24:42] Marsha Mason

[1:24:43] with Eli Wallach

[1:24:44] in a supporting

[1:24:44] role.

[1:24:45] And this is a

[1:24:46] movie that I

[1:24:47] had been wanting

[1:24:47] to see for a

[1:24:48] number of years

[1:24:48] because I

[1:24:49] could not

[1:24:49] understand the

[1:24:50] title,

[1:24:50] Cinderella

[1:24:51] Liberty.

[1:24:52] And it

[1:24:52] turns out

[1:24:52] it's because

[1:24:53] that's the

[1:24:54] name.

[1:24:54] It's just

[1:24:54] two different

[1:24:54] words.

[1:24:55] It's just

[1:24:56] two different

[1:24:56] words to

[1:24:56] throw them

[1:24:57] together.

[1:24:57] No, it's

[1:24:58] what they

[1:24:58] call when you

[1:24:59] are on shore

[1:25:00] leave in the

[1:25:01] Navy, but you

[1:25:02] have to be back

[1:25:02] at midnight.

[1:25:03] So you don't

[1:25:04] have a full

[1:25:04] night, you

[1:25:05] just have to

[1:25:05] be back at

[1:25:05] midnight.

[1:25:07] James Caan is

[1:25:08] a sailor who

[1:25:09] has shore leave

[1:25:10] in Seattle and

[1:25:12] falls in love

[1:25:13] with essentially

[1:25:14] a prostitute who

[1:25:16] has a teenage

[1:25:17] son and finds

[1:25:18] that his records

[1:25:19] have been lost

[1:25:20] by the Navy.

[1:25:21] This is the

[1:25:21] 70s.

[1:25:22] It's literally a

[1:25:22] paper file that

[1:25:23] they can't find.

[1:25:24] And so he's

[1:25:24] stuck there and

[1:25:25] can't be put on

[1:25:25] another ship.

[1:25:26] And he forms

[1:25:27] a relationship

[1:25:27] with her and

[1:25:28] it is a real

[1:25:29] like, you

[1:25:31] know, sometimes

[1:25:31] funny, sometimes

[1:25:32] serious character

[1:25:33] study of these

[1:25:33] characters.

[1:25:34] And I liked

[1:25:35] it a lot.

[1:25:35] And it was fun

[1:25:36] seeing James

[1:25:37] Caan playing a

[1:25:38] character who

[1:25:38] is not like a

[1:25:40] blustery, you

[1:25:41] know, tough guy,

[1:25:42] you know?

[1:25:43] Yeah.

[1:25:43] And so I liked

[1:25:44] it a lot.

[1:25:44] It's directed by

[1:25:45] Mark Rydell, who

[1:25:47] also directed one

[1:25:47] of Dan's

[1:25:48] favorites, For

[1:25:49] the Boys, starring

[1:25:50] Bette Midler.

[1:25:52] So that's

[1:25:53] Cinderella Liberty.

[1:25:54] Justin, what

[1:25:54] would you like to

[1:25:55] recommend?

Justin McElroy

[1:25:56] You know, there's

[1:25:57] so many, I only

[1:25:58] get to do this

[1:25:58] show once and

[1:26:00] I've seen so

[1:26:00] many movies that

[1:26:01] I'd like to

[1:26:01] recommend.

[1:26:02] But you know

[1:26:02] what I'm going

[1:26:03] to go with?

[1:26:03] I mean, you

[1:26:04] could come

[1:26:04] back.

[1:26:04] I don't know, at

[1:26:06] the start of the

[1:26:07] show you were

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:08] pretty sincere about

[1:26:10] not having it back

[1:26:10] on.

[1:26:11] Yeah.

Justin McElroy

[1:26:12] Yeah, I think

[1:26:13] that decision's

[1:26:14] been made.

[1:26:14] Now I want to

[1:26:15] recommend

[1:26:15] Velocipaster.

[1:26:16] You guys seen

[1:26:17] Velocipaster?

[1:26:17] I've only seen clips

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:18] from it.

[1:26:19] I've seen clips from

[1:26:20] the whole movie and

[1:26:20] it seems, yeah,

[1:26:22] bonkers.

Justin McElroy

[1:26:23] It's bonkers.

[1:26:24] It's a really

[1:26:24] interesting because it

[1:26:26] starts out seeming

[1:26:27] like it's going to

[1:26:28] be sort of an

[1:26:29] intentionally bad

[1:26:30] camp thing.

[1:26:31] And there is some

[1:26:33] of that.

[1:26:33] And then there's

[1:26:34] some jokes that

[1:26:35] just work earnestly.

[1:26:36] And then the

[1:26:37] strangest thing

[1:26:37] about this film is

[1:26:38] that every once in

[1:26:39] a while it will

[1:26:41] just pick up

[1:26:42] competence and put

[1:26:44] it over its

[1:26:44] shoulder and just

[1:26:46] be a competent

[1:26:46] movie for like

[1:26:47] 15 minutes and

[1:26:49] then just drop it

[1:26:50] again.

[1:26:51] And it's almost

[1:26:51] like the director

[1:26:52] is teasing you

[1:26:52] like, oh, yeah,

[1:26:53] yeah, I don't

[1:26:53] know.

[1:26:54] I know how to

[1:26:55] I could do a

[1:26:55] good.

[1:26:56] There's like a

[1:26:56] love scene in

[1:26:57] this movie that

[1:26:58] is so wildly

[1:26:59] effective and

[1:27:00] like romantic and

[1:27:02] sweet and erotic.

[1:27:03] And it's like,

[1:27:03] what the hell?

[1:27:05] Wait, if you

[1:27:05] could, you know

[1:27:06] how to do it.

[1:27:07] Why are you not

[1:27:08] doing it?

[1:27:08] I don't want to.

[1:27:09] I don't want to.

[1:27:10] It's a movie about

[1:27:10] a pastor that

[1:27:11] turns into a

[1:27:12] velociraptor and

[1:27:14] eats criminals.

[1:27:15] So that's the

[1:27:15] movie.

[1:27:16] I'm making.

[1:27:16] I could make a

[1:27:17] good movie, but

[1:27:18] I'm going to make

[1:27:18] this movie.

[1:27:19] And it is really,

[1:27:21] really enjoyable.

[1:27:22] It's like, again,

[1:27:23] it's like 70

[1:27:24] minutes long.

[1:27:24] It's about a,

[1:27:25] about one happy

[1:27:27] Halloween Scooby-Doo

[1:27:28] worth of time to

[1:27:29] watch.

[1:27:30] But I got a big

[1:27:31] kick out of it.

[1:27:32] I've seen it a few

[1:27:32] times now.

[1:27:33] I really dig it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:27:34] I would love for

[1:27:34] that to be the new

[1:27:35] measurement of time

[1:27:36] that becomes the

[1:27:37] official one.

[1:27:38] It's that scientists

[1:27:39] doing like Cosmos

[1:27:40] type TV shows will

[1:27:41] say billions of

[1:27:42] happy Halloween

[1:27:43] Scooby-Doo's

[1:27:43] ago.

[1:27:44] Our Universe was

[1:27:46] created.

[1:27:47] Yeah, that's that.

[1:27:48] Is Velocipastor the

[1:27:50] movie where a car

[1:27:50] explodes, but they

[1:27:51] just wrote car

[1:27:52] explosion FX on the

[1:27:53] screen?

Justin McElroy

[1:27:54] Yeah.

[1:27:55] Yeah.

[1:27:56] That's one.

[1:27:57] Good stuff.

[1:27:58] A micro budget, too.

[1:27:59] It was made for

[1:28:00] basic, I think,

[1:28:01] $80,000.

[1:28:02] It is.

[1:28:04] Yeah.

[1:28:05] Very impressive.

[1:28:06] The director,

[1:28:07] Brendan Stier, I

[1:28:08] think his name is,

[1:28:09] has gotten a large

[1:28:13] cash investment for

[1:28:14] his next film,

[1:28:17] which apparently has

[1:28:19] some connection to

[1:28:21] Velocipastor.

[1:28:22] It's called Outback

[1:28:23] Dracula.

[1:28:25] So I should get on

Stuart Wellington

[1:28:26] Velocipastor, so I'm

[1:28:28] called up for when

[1:28:29] Outback Dracula comes up.

Justin McElroy

[1:28:30] Yeah, watch

[1:28:30] Velocipastor because he

[1:28:31] will probably show up in

[1:28:32] Outback Dracula, which

[1:28:34] according to the press

[1:28:34] release, shifts the

[1:28:36] madness to 1880s

[1:28:38] Australia, where a

[1:28:38] psychic lesbian

[1:28:39] schoolteacher teams up

[1:28:40] with the world's

[1:28:40] greatest adventurer to

[1:28:42] find her missing

[1:28:42] girlfriend and meet

[1:28:43] Dracula and his

[1:28:44] golden army of the

[1:28:45] undead.

[1:28:45] So do not miss this.

[1:28:48] I mean, that is the

[1:28:48] plot of Quigley

[1:28:49] Down Under.

[1:28:50] They're just ripping

[1:28:51] it off.

Dan McCoy

[1:28:53] So before we do our

[1:28:56] quick closing stuff,

[1:28:57] Justin, do you have

[1:28:58] anything to plug?

[1:28:58] I know that you have a

[1:28:59] book about how to

[1:29:00] podcast coming out, and

[1:29:02] I know this because

[1:29:02] even...

[1:29:03] When will this episode

[1:29:03] be out?

[1:29:05] Saturday.

[1:29:05] Well after Halloween.

[1:29:06] Saturday, yeah.

[1:29:07] This, I've, even

[1:29:09] though I already have a

[1:29:11] podcast myself, I

[1:29:12] pre-ordered your book

[1:29:14] and I'm looking forward

[1:29:15] to reading it.

[1:29:16] You'll learn a few

[1:29:17] things.

Justin McElroy

[1:29:18] Saturday, November

[1:29:19] 21st.

[1:29:19] This is coming out.

[1:29:21] You say.

[1:29:21] We're doing a live

[1:29:22] show tonight.

[1:29:23] Oh.

[1:29:24] If you go to

[1:29:24] live.themacceleroy.family

[1:29:27] that's M-C-E-L-R-O-Y

[1:29:28] we're doing a live

[1:29:30] streamed show.

[1:29:32] You can get tickets

[1:29:33] for ten bucks.

[1:29:34] Sawbones, my

[1:29:35] medical history podcast

[1:29:36] I do with my wife

[1:29:37] Sydney is going to be

[1:29:38] there and it's going

[1:29:40] to be fun.

[1:29:41] And please go watch

[1:29:44] it live.themacceleroy.family

[1:29:46] it's tonight.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:47] Yeah, you guys are the

[1:29:48] best in the biz.

[1:29:49] Having seen you guys

[1:29:50] do live shows over

[1:29:52] the last couple

[1:29:53] years, you guys have

[1:29:55] gotten like so tight

[1:29:56] and professional at

[1:29:57] it that it makes me

[1:30:00] wonder what we're even

[1:30:01] trying to do over here.

Dan McCoy

[1:30:04] Yeah, I mean, I have

[1:30:06] tickets for the

[1:30:06] streaming show.

[1:30:07] I'm looking forward to

Justin McElroy

[1:30:07] it.

[1:30:09] Thank you so much.

[1:30:10] Even if you don't

[1:30:10] come, folks, I really

[1:30:11] can't emphasize that

[1:30:12] enough.

[1:30:12] Just please buy.

[1:30:14] Watch it or don't.

[1:30:15] It's up to you.

Dan McCoy

[1:30:16] Well, anyway, before we

[1:30:18] go, I would like to say

[1:30:20] thank you to our network,

[1:30:21] Maximum Fun, that carries

[1:30:23] our show, The Flophouse, and

[1:30:26] a couple of shows by

[1:30:28] Justin and his extended

[1:30:30] family.

[1:30:31] A family full of

[1:30:32] podcasters, just like the

[1:30:35] Partridge family, except for

[1:30:36] not singing.

[1:30:38] But the Partridge family

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:39] was full of podcasters.

[1:30:40] That's true.

Dan McCoy

[1:30:42] And I'd like to thank

[1:30:43] Jordan Cowling for editing

[1:30:45] the show and making it

[1:30:46] sound better than it ever

[1:30:47] did when I produced it.

[1:30:50] And I'd like to thank our

[1:30:52] guest, Justin, for being

[1:30:53] here.

[1:30:55] My pleasure.

[1:30:55] And so for The Flophouse,

[1:30:57] I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:30:59] I've been Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[1:31:00] I'm Elliot Kalin and

[1:31:02] continue to be.

[1:31:03] And that's Justin

[1:31:03] McElroy.

Justin McElroy

[1:31:05] I'm Justin McElroy.

[1:31:06] Do I say this is that's a

[1:31:07] weird thing to have a

[1:31:08] guest do?

[1:31:08] I'm Justin McElroy.

Dan McCoy

[1:31:10] Yeah, you can give us the

[1:31:11] post-mortem afterwards of

[1:31:13] how we're doing it.

[1:31:14] Oh, Charlene wants to

[1:31:15] say hi.

[1:31:15] That was weird.

Justin McElroy

[1:31:16] I'll do a now-mortem.

[1:31:17] Hey, Charlene!

Dan McCoy

[1:31:19] Okay, now that's...

[1:31:20] Am I not supposed to do...

[1:31:21] Now, that was a weird

Elliott Kalan

[1:31:22] thing for a guest to do,

[1:31:23] 100%.

[1:31:23] Yeah, that's on Justin.

[1:31:25] The first thing was on us,

[1:31:26] but the second thing was

[1:31:27] on Justin.

Justin McElroy

[1:31:29] You listeners can see

[1:31:31] that, right?

[1:31:32] Bye.

[1:31:33] I've got a piece so

[1:31:34] bad.

[1:31:35] This is the end of show.

[1:31:36] I'll end it.

[1:31:36] And this has been

[1:31:37] Flophouse.

[1:31:38] Keep reaching for the stars.

[1:31:40] Okay, well, we'll let you go.

[1:31:41] Bye!

[1:31:42] Bye!

Dan McCoy

[1:31:57] Yeah, I'll do the intro

[1:31:58] and then we'll do the show.

[1:31:59] Okay.

[1:32:00] Good order.

Justin McElroy

[1:32:02] I'd head to the outro

[1:32:03] right after that, though.

[1:32:04] I don't want to tell you

[1:32:05] your business.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:07] So many burns.

[1:32:08] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:11] Maximumfun.org

[1:32:12] Comedy and culture.

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Ep. #328 - Happy Halloween, Scooby Doo!, with Justin McElroy

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