Ep. #330 - Freaky, with Barbara Crampton

[0:00] On this episode we discuss Freaky Friday kind of okay

[0:30] Hey everyone, and welcome to The Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:37] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:39] And I'm Elliot Kalin. And Stuart Wellington, who do we have with us today?

[0:42] Oh man, this is such a treat. We have a star of the small screen, a star of the big screen,

[0:49] a producer, and a bad movie expert, self-professed, Barbara Crampton.

[0:55] There you go. Woohoo. Thanks, guys. Happy to be here.

[1:00] Thank you so much for coming.

[1:01] Yeah, thank you.

[1:02] Long-time listeners of the show will know we're a very big fan of your work.

[1:06] Yeah, so, Stuart, you did a presentation of Stuart Gordon's Castle Freak in Yonkers.

[1:15] You hosted that with the freak himself in attendance.

[1:21] Years ago.

[1:22] Dan, I want our listeners to think that Stuart's breaking lockdown.

[1:25] This was not like the other day.

[1:26] This was a while ago.

[1:28] I have been hearing about your love for, well, or your thoughts about Castle Creek for a long time.

[1:35] Maybe love is too strong a word? I don't know.

[1:37] No, no, he talks about it a lot.

[1:40] And I'm easy with my affections.

[1:42] I was just trying to get to the fact that also in the Brooklyn Alamo, I introduced a screening of From Beyond.

[1:51] So two out of the three of us have introduced Barbara Crampton screenings, which only leads me to ask, Elliot, what's your problem?

[1:59] I'll get to it, Dan.

[2:00] As you know, I only screen movies that are at least 70 to 100 years old.

[2:06] So I'm just waiting for the statute of limitations to run out, and then I'll show Reanimator or maybe I'll show From Beyond 2, a movie that spoke to me very deeply when I was having a medical problem one time.

[2:18] and i was was watching from beyond for the first time and i was like this movie i really this movie

[2:23] really gets me right now this is so so that was a movie that really helped me through a difficult

[2:28] weekend how did it help you uh it was kind of it was the it was my first time this is getting

[2:34] probably ain't too personal it was my first time dealing with a kidney stone and i was it was just

[2:39] a very painful experience and watching from beyond and seeing the characters in it dealing with kind

[2:44] of like their their reality and their bodies being warped it really made it it was like okay this

[2:49] move this movie is expressing kind of like what i'm feeling right now in a way that makes me feel

[2:54] less alone since at the time i was very alone because my wife was out of town so it was it was

[2:58] just companionship i needed at the moment you know yeah misery loves company so you were you

[3:04] know watching jeffrey combs morph into all these this different creature from the beyond and it

[3:08] helped you yeah yeah very much there was there's a moment where i think he he bites another person's

[3:13] eyeball out and i was like yeah that's what it feels like right now that was gordon's wife

[3:18] which is that's kind of the opposite elliot of the time i broke my arm in a car accident

[3:27] and my mother went to the to the grocery store which is where we rented videos from when i was

[3:32] a child and she rented me the movie body parts starring jeff fahey which is about a guy who's

[3:40] in a horrible car accident and he gets a replacement limb from a serial killer that makes him a serial

[3:44] killer or something uh so that did not work that way so next when jeff fahey comes on yeah when

[3:51] jeff fahey comes on the show i'll let him down i mean but your mom gets you i mean that's what

[3:56] that story tells me is your mom really knows what you're into oh a hundred percent did you guys like

[4:02] bad horror movies growing up or horror movies in general yeah i mean i feel like something

[4:09] that's happened to you later no i mean my like i've always like i like being scared and uh i

[4:17] guess the bad horror movie love came from the constantly like each weekend going to the video

[4:23] store like searching for the next great like scare and often being let down because i thought

[4:30] the box cover looked great and then by the time i got it home i'm like this is nothing like the

[4:34] painting on the cover now i this this kind of leads me into a question i wanted to ask you

[4:40] barbara which is uh i mean you chose freaky you're like let's watch this um i wanted to know

[4:48] whether you were a horror fan before you appeared in movies or whether you sort of were like uh

[4:55] like um ground down over the years and and and grew to love them that's a good question well

[5:02] first of all i picked freaky because it was coming out and i know i was going to talk to you guys and

[5:06] i wanted to watch it um so i was like let's watch freaky because that's the next movie i want to

[5:12] watch but um you know i didn't plan to be a horror movie actress i just wanted to be an actor from

[5:18] the time i was about 11 and i just happened to be in reanimator and stewart took me on this journey

[5:26] i wouldn't have a career in horror movies without him and i you know it's funny because i didn't

[5:32] grow up seeking out horror genre movies or television shows but i when i was younger i

[5:41] would watch the outer limits uh with my dad and night gallery and shows like that and when i was

[5:49] younger i don't know how old i would have been you know somewhere in sixth or seventh grade i guess

[5:54] i watched dark shadows i loved that was my favorite show and i would race home uh from school

[6:01] on my bicycle we got out at like 10 to 3 and at three o'clock the show started and i just couldn't

[6:08] get enough of that show i had nightmares every night about it but i couldn't stop i couldn't

[6:13] stop watching it and my mother didn't want me to watch it anymore and i said i have to watch it man

[6:17] man mom i gotta watch this show i don't like i don't like you calling me man anymore

[6:23] listen mom man man um and and so maybe it was going to happen to me i don't know i i just hear

[6:34] all these stories about these people that grow up and they know so much about horror movies and

[6:39] they sought them out from when they were kids their parents watched them and they would get

[6:43] up from their beds and peek over the couch while their parents were watching a movie

[6:47] that I just you know didn't really have it wasn't that impressed upon me when I was younger I just

[6:53] the things that I watched the most were probably the million dollar movie which played on WPIX

[7:00] channel 11 in new york every day also at like four o'clock that came on so i'd watch i'd watch

[7:06] barnabas collins and then you know i'd watch miriam hopkins or joan you know bennett or something in

[7:13] a movie and um i don't know i just you know i i think careers are like that i don't i don't i

[7:21] don't think too many people i know start out thinking i'm going to do this in my life and

[7:27] this is where I'm going and then that's where they end up it's usually and I find that way in working

[7:33] in in uh features and and television shows like the things that people call me up for and they

[7:40] say I want to hire you for this I'm like really okay I'll do that and then you know it's so life

[7:47] is what happens to you when you're making other plans it's the kind of I mean it's a cliche but

[7:50] it's it's true but but I feel like since I came back uh you know I took a break from acting for

[7:58] a long time um I got married and I actually wasn't getting a lot of roles in my mid-30s to late 30s

[8:04] and I met my husband and he said well I'm being transferred with my job so can we move up to San

[8:09] Francisco and I said you know I guess so because nobody wants me anymore nobody's calling me I

[8:13] don't know what to do and I really was just an actor for hire and I wasn't getting any calls so

[8:18] i stopped working and i just raised my family and then i got a call out of the blue to be in your

[8:24] next and that movie blew up yeah so so when i went to the toronto film festival for that movie

[8:31] and i saw all the executives because we hadn't um we hadn't sold it yet out you know in the lobby

[8:38] on their phones calling their higher-ups saying you know we got to buy this movie and then the

[8:43] next day we had five offers from really big companies I thought wow motherhood's really hard

[8:49] and acting's really fun yeah that's the lesson yeah so I I said to my agent at the time who

[9:00] thankfully hadn't lost my number um and hadn't hadn't spoken to him in six years you know since

[9:05] before your next I said I think I want to kind of come back to this I want to come back to acting

[9:10] and do this again.

[9:11] And it was really only at that time in my career

[9:14] when I took that long break and I came back

[9:19] that I realized, oh, these are my people.

[9:22] This is my home.

[9:23] This is actually what I do.

[9:25] I didn't realize it.

[9:26] I mean, I went to a few horror conventions,

[9:28] you know, in the latter part of my early life.

[9:33] But it didn't really dawn on me until your next.

[9:38] And then I said, OK, my kids are going to grow up at some point.

[9:43] I'm going to need something to do.

[9:45] So why don't I just try to go back into acting?

[9:50] And then I decided that, you know, through some other fluky things that happened that maybe I would try to produce.

[9:58] But, you know, those kinds of things weren't available to a lot of young actors when we were growing up.

[10:02] But again, when I worked on You're Next, I was working with Joe Swanberg and Amy Simons and Ty West.

[10:09] And, you know, they were acting in this movie, but they were also writers and themselves.

[10:15] And I went, oh, this is what the people do now?

[10:18] This is what they do?

[10:19] How come I didn't do that?

[10:21] How come I didn't do that?

[10:22] Well, everybody stayed in their lane at that point, you know, in my career.

[10:25] You know, I was an actor.

[10:27] That's all I did.

[10:28] And you didn't have too many hyphenated people back then.

[10:33] And now we have hyphenates everywhere.

[10:35] I said, I've just become a hyphenate.

[10:38] Yeah.

[10:39] So that's what I'm, so I guess here I am now.

[10:42] And, you know, nobody's going to, who's going to work with me in comedy or even though I

[10:47] think I'm funny, I don't think so.

[10:51] So if I want to work in this business, you know, why don't I work where I'm a part of a club that, you know, I kind of – we all get one another.

[11:04] So I might as well continue on with horror.

[11:05] Yeah.

[11:06] Yeah, that's great.

[11:07] That's getting into actually something I wanted to ask you about.

[11:10] I don't want to go too far down.

[11:11] We're already going so far down this road, but I just –

[11:14] Let's keep going, Dan.

[11:15] This is a good road.

[11:15] What's wrong with you?

[11:16] We have to.

[11:17] We're all at home.

[11:18] No, it's true.

[11:19] Yeah, come on, man.

[11:20] We don't have a boss.

[11:22] No one's going to yell at us and be like,

[11:23] damn, that wasn't what you were supposed to do.

[11:24] That just confirms an impression that I had

[11:27] that you had taken this break

[11:32] and then people like Adam Winger,

[11:34] maybe they're the people who grew up being fans

[11:38] of those earlier films

[11:40] and sort of now wanted you to be part of what they were doing.

[11:46] I think that's absolutely true.

[11:48] I think that's absolutely true.

[11:50] And they could have called any number of women that are my contemporaries, you know,

[11:54] Phyllisa Rose or Caroline Williams or Kelly Maroney or Amanda Wyss or Heather Langenkamp.

[12:01] I'm friends with all of those ladies.

[12:03] They all want to work, by the way.

[12:05] So if anybody's listening to this podcast, you should, you know, think about them as well.

[12:10] And I think I just got lucky.

[12:12] Well, actually, it was at an Alamo Drafthouse screening in Texas of Reanimator.

[12:20] And Stuart Gordon was there, and so was Jeffrey.

[12:26] And Simon Barrett, the writer of your next talk to Stuart, and said, you know, we have this horror movie coming up.

[12:34] And I don't know, we'd kind of like to reach out to Barbara Crampton to play the mom in it.

[12:38] What do you think?

[12:39] And Stuart said, oh, no, she's retired.

[12:41] she's not doing she's not working anymore and that was kind of true um but for some reason

[12:48] simon didn't listen to him and thought you know what i want to hire barbara crampton so i they

[12:54] offered me the role keith calder and jessica and adam and simon they just offered it to me

[12:58] without talking to me uh so really it was it really was a flunky situation and and i said to

[13:07] my agent when he called me i said well don't they want to talk to me or you know don't they want to

[13:12] see what i look like now i mean i'm not on social i wasn't on social media at the time and they said

[13:17] and he said no they just want to hire you do you want the job it starts in 10 days

[13:21] and i read the script and i thought oh it's a cute little script this is nice

[13:25] and i did it for a fluke i did that for a fluke it was all it was all luck it really was

[13:35] i feel like i know that those guys were working hard in their craft i mean yeah them they they

[13:41] they actually imagined this movie because i think they had gone to another tiff screening of um

[13:48] of a james wan film whether i don't i don't know whether it was what was happening at the time

[13:54] insidious or the conjuring was probably insidious and um they thought wow this movie's fantastic

[14:01] and they wanted to get a little more commercial with their work because they've been working in

[14:05] the trenches of independent cinema horror cinema for so long they all banded together after meeting

[14:10] one another each other at film festivals and said what can we make what can we what can we put

[14:14] together to you know do as well as james wan is doing right now and that's the script for your

[14:19] next that's great yeah the uh i feel like going back to what you're you're saying earlier but like

[14:26] i feel like every everything that's been really exciting and every opportunity that's really

[14:32] worked out well for me has kind of just popped up and I had to make the decision okay I'll just do

[14:38] this thing like I'll do it as a on a lark and those are always the things that seem to work

[14:42] out best even if it's like a little bit outside my wheelhouse or a little bit scary yeah I think

[14:47] you just have to be you know I don't I think you have to be ready for it is what I was going to say

[14:51] but you know you have to keep at it is another thing that I would say to other people that are

[14:58] in the business that are trying to do whatever you're doing you guys you know work in comedy

[15:02] and people work in horror and whatever you you you know your career if you a lot of people switch

[15:09] careers these days and do different things but if you're in the movie business it's a very long

[15:15] uphill and downhill career television business too right and you have to just hang in there for

[15:23] those times that nothing's happening and keep you know keep trying to generate things and keep

[15:29] making stuff on your own and keep trying and then you know things will pop up and you can't give up

[15:36] hope it's a long you know your career is a long game I mean I've been doing this for 35 years

[15:41] more than that really and I thought I was done when my when I was 38 39 I thought oh that's it

[15:48] for me. I had Reanimator, Head From Beyond. I did a lot of soap opera work. Okay, I had a good

[15:54] enough career. That's fine. I'm married now. I'm just going to go off into the sunset. And then

[15:57] I had another opportunity and it made me realize, you know, that it's a long game and you have to

[16:04] hang in there. And even Reanimator was, you know, was kind of a hit when it came out, but it wasn't

[16:08] a blockbuster. It wasn't, it developed its cult status over time. So there's a lot of things that

[16:12] people do now that they think oh i didn't really hit you know hit a big splash with that but those

[16:19] things have to develop over time and now we have so much more product out there it does really take

[16:25] time for things to germinate and you know give rise to something that people think is is brilliant

[16:31] look at the thing when it came out nobody thought the thing was that any great shakes of a film and

[16:36] now people love that movie i think i think roger ebert even trashed it in his initial

[16:41] Yeah, he gave it like two and a half stars or something.

[16:43] It was crazy.

[16:43] Well, I'm glad that – I think that pep talk was something that Dan really needed right now, to be honest.

[16:50] Thank you.

[16:50] So on the subject of the film business and hanging in there, let's talk a little bit about a movie called Freaky, released in 2020.

[16:59] Tell me how it relates to hanging in there.

[17:01] I can think of a way, but I want you to tell me.

[17:03] Well, oh, man.

[17:06] I can't, Elliot.

[17:10] Well, sometimes when your body gets switched with a serial killer,

[17:14] you just got to keep trying.

[17:15] You can't give up the first time.

[17:16] So just to clarify for listeners, this is Freaky.

[17:21] This was released in 2020.

[17:22] I think it's in theaters, depending on where you live.

[17:25] And otherwise, it's on VOD.

[17:27] So I think it's on VOD worldwide, probably.

[17:30] Maybe.

[17:31] I don't know.

[17:32] I do want to say that this is slightly newer than we usually do.

[17:37] So as always, there's going to be a lot of spoilers.

[17:40] So just if you want to see Freaky, go out and do that first.

[17:44] I mean, I personally, not to jump to the end, I would recommend to pause this podcast, go watch that movie, then come back.

[17:50] But, you know, that's me.

[17:51] So let's talk a little bit about Freaky.

[17:54] Now, this is a Blumhouse Pictures production.

[17:57] Movie opens, we have a bunch of teens hanging out outside of a mansion.

[18:03] They're talking about a local killer, the Blissfield Butcher.

[18:07] This is like almost like a legendary figure that's also kind of undefined.

[18:11] They think he might be just a myth that the parents tell the kids so they don't party too much on homecoming weekend.

[18:17] Already it kind of sets the tone for like a almost like a scream or a happy death day, like a horror movie with comedy elements, right?

[18:27] Now, this is a note for parents out there.

[18:29] You can use the story of a killer to scare your kids into doing things, but it loses power over time.

[18:35] So when I first started telling my older son, Sammy, that if he didn't clean his room, then the messy madman was going to come and murder him, he was frightened.

[18:44] But now that I use it for everything, I'm like, Sammy, can you please close the door when he stepped outside?

[18:48] Or the messy murderer is going to come.

[18:50] He's like, yeah, yeah, I know.

[18:51] Or like, Sammy, you've got to put your shoes on in case you have to run from the messy murderer.

[18:56] He's like, yeah, yeah.

[18:56] So it really – you've got to use it sparingly, parents.

[18:59] That's what I'll tell you.

[19:01] I also, just because Stuart mentioned Happy Death Day, just to clarify, this is the director of that movie and Happy Death Day to you.

[19:10] Oh, Happy Death Day to you too, Dan.

[19:13] Thank you.

[19:13] You're welcome.

[19:15] And it's kind of like a Freaky Friday meets like Friday the 13th too.

[19:22] You know, there's a lot of, it's kind of a, it feels like a slasher to me in a way as well.

[19:27] Funny thing about this guy is like he's he's not and now he's making a cottage industry of just like putting a couple of genres together.

[19:34] Like, yeah, Happy Death Day is like a slasher plus a time loop.

[19:37] And now this is a slasher plus Freaky Friday's body switch type.

[19:41] If I'm ever going to if I'm ever going to get to see that vampire submarine movie that I've always wanted to see, this is this is the guy to do it.

[19:47] Oh, my God. Yeah. Yes. He's charming, isn't he?

[19:51] He's his you know, in all of his films, there's a certain charm.

[19:55] And, and it's, you know, I think comedy is actually hard to do with horror movies and do it well. I've been the product of a few of them. And sometimes they turn out good. And sometimes they really don't, they fall flat. But I think he gets it. I think he knows how to, how to marry those two genres together.

[20:16] yeah yeah it's tough to say like and if it feels like uh well we'll get into it but we were

[20:23] introduced to this uh killer he he kills he dispatches these teens in fairly grisly ways

[20:28] uh we're introduced the killer steals a ceremonial mask off the wall this is the blissfield butcher

[20:34] character played by vince vaughn um and not played i was a hundred percent expecting vince vaughn to

[20:40] be the like quip heavy murderer character like a freddy krueger meets jason but he's not and it's

[20:47] i was just a jason he's just yeah this and this is i want i want to mention this is now the second

[20:53] years removed but this is the second flop house movie now where someone has been killed by having

[20:57] a wine bottle shoved in their mouth until it goes into the throat and seeing that it was like

[21:02] sorority something it was the sorority row yes sorority row and i was like oh this like it felt

[21:08] like seeing an old friend again seeing this particular kill but dan i will say that i mean

[21:13] you know spoiler alert uh for final judgments i enjoyed the the movie uh like you know quite a bit

[21:21] but um there are a few things that i took some issue with and i think that like it's nice to see

[21:29] this like very traditional jason style killer on the one hand but when you combine it with this

[21:34] uh freaky friday thing like part of the fun of that is seeing the personality switch and so

[21:39] events vaughn gets a lot of personality to play but uh the the lead our female lead gets a lot

[21:46] less catherine newton yeah yeah but i think that's a good juxtaposition for her character as being

[21:52] this young kind of you know uh you know she she's built a sort of a miss you know um you know what

[22:00] what do I want to say, like an outcast, you know?

[22:04] And so, but she's, you know, she's a bubbly teen.

[22:08] And so, and to juxtapose that with the, you know,

[22:14] the Jason, you know, type of character that's very stoic,

[22:17] that doesn't say anything, that's really scary,

[22:21] that, you know, tears at people and moves really heavy.

[22:25] And, you know, with Menace,

[22:27] I think she did a great job with that.

[22:29] And what else would they have given her if they gave Vince Vaughn this really, you know, out there kind of personality?

[22:36] Ah, that kind of what are they going to give her?

[22:40] So I I think what they gave her was was a good, you know, differentiation.

[22:45] Yeah. I mean, she does a great job with it.

[22:47] Very good job with what was given. I don't know.

[22:49] Like, I guess. But I understand what you're saying.

[22:51] She yeah, she didn't have a lot. She didn't have as much to do.

[22:56] It was it was a Vince Vaughn movie in a way.

[22:58] Yeah. And Vince Vaughn, when he, I mean, this is jumping ahead,

[23:02] but when, when they switch personalities, he's like more, he's,

[23:06] he's got a much bigger personality than she had when she was playing the same

[23:08] character. So it was a, there were times where I was like, Vince, come on.

[23:12] He was hamming it up a little bit, but.

[23:16] Yeah. And when the killer is in, when the killer is in Millie's body,

[23:19] he also is much better at makeup than she is. Or, and so,

[23:23] and that threw me slightly.

[23:25] I love that touch though.

[23:26] I was like, Vince Vaughn doesn't wear, wasn't wearing any makeup before.

[23:28] It was not explained, but he had a much better sense of style than she did.

[23:33] With that red jacket and the red lipstick.

[23:36] She looked good.

[23:38] So, yeah.

[23:39] So, the killer, after dispatching the teens, steals a ceremonial dagger named La Dola.

[23:44] And then we are introduced to our—

[23:47] Which is just in someone's house.

[23:49] Yep, it's just a rich person's house.

[23:51] He collects artifacts.

[23:52] It's in the classic tradition of the wealthy person's cabinet of curiosities, the forerunner to the modern museum, Dan.

[23:58] like let's not buy it i i'm just mentioning it i i kind of love it i love in these movies where

[24:04] when they just like hand wave it away where they're just like oh this artifact was just here

[24:08] it's fine i bet you that guy he went to he went to an a charity auction for his kids private school

[24:14] or a pure one imports yeah or yeah or a world market or something and he uh he got into a

[24:20] bidding war with another dad and he didn't even know what he was bidding on and they were like

[24:23] you got this ceremonial Aztec dagger?

[24:24] And he's like, great, okay.

[24:26] I guess I have this now.

[24:28] He thought it was a signed Mark McGuire ball

[24:30] that he was bidding on.

[24:31] So that's my backstory for why that's in his house.

[24:34] Great, perfect.

[24:35] So we're introduced to Millie, who is our hero,

[24:38] who we've already talked about, played by Catherine Newton.

[24:42] She's a little bit of a pushover.

[24:44] She's a little meek.

[24:45] She's got a mother with a drinking problem.

[24:49] She's got a sister named Charlene,

[24:52] which is my wife's name.

[24:54] Yeah, Charlene was very excited

[24:56] to see another Charlene represented on screen.

[24:58] Now, Stuart, you're probably wondering,

[25:00] so Katie Finneran, who plays the mother in Freaky,

[25:04] you're probably wondering,

[25:05] Elliot, did you see her Tony Award-winning performance

[25:08] in Noises Off on Broadway?

[25:09] Yes, I did, in 2002.

[25:11] So you were probably wondering that.

[25:13] I'll just get that out of the way.

[25:14] Yes, I did.

[25:15] Barbara, I want to make it clear

[25:17] that this is a running theme of the show,

[25:19] which is Elliot not really name-dropping

[25:22] because it's not like he hangs out with these people

[25:24] just you know mentioning that he saw people

[25:25] in plays

[25:26] he knows things, Elliot knows things

[25:29] there's one thing he does

[25:32] if someone was

[25:33] performing in a Broadway show between probably

[25:36] 1995 and

[25:37] 2014 or so

[25:40] then there's a good chance I saw them in it

[25:42] and so I saw that production

[25:43] and audience just go to your bingo card where it says

[25:46] noises off and put on your Elliot's

[25:47] theater going bingo card, put one on

[25:50] noises off, Stuart continue

[25:51] so yeah we're so we're introduced to this character millie she goes to school everybody

[25:57] kind of bullies her we find out that her father is dead and that you would think that would make

[26:03] people bully her less that is not the case everybody bullies her including the shop teacher

[26:08] played by alan rock my best favorite but i hated him oh yeah he's not like him he was so mean i

[26:17] was so torn because to me anytime i see alan ruck in something he's the hero of the story

[26:21] no matter who he's playing or what he's doing.

[26:22] And for him to be so mean in this, I was like,

[26:25] oh, Alan, it's really hard for me to like you, but I still do.

[26:29] But, you know.

[26:29] I think that was the most engaged Audrey was watching.

[26:32] I mean, she enjoyed it largely,

[26:34] but like the most engaged was yelling for him to die.

[26:37] Yeah, that's how she acts when she sees him in succession as well, right?

[26:43] Yeah.

[26:44] And on Spin City.

[26:46] Oh, weird.

[26:47] I guess that makes sense.

[26:48] actually i feel like he's done a pretty good late career like slime ball arc i don't know yeah oh

[26:54] yeah i mean he's he's uh but every but every character has a little touch of cameron so you

[26:58] can't you can't totally hate them still the the whiny rich kid who's dead doesn't like him you

[27:02] know which is succession i guess right yeah that's true so maybe succession is about cameron's family

[27:08] does ferris bueller ever show up in succession stewart i haven't watched it uh i think he shows

[27:13] up in the second season i don't remember it very well so we uh so in our movie millie is stuck at

[27:19] school after the big game uh we find out that she is the uh what is she's the mascot so she's

[27:24] wearing this comically oversized uh costume of a beaver yeah it's great yeah it's it's great

[27:33] and also it's like this is the perfect prop for a character who's going to have to run away from

[27:38] a killer in a moment i also like i don't want to harp on anyone any like actors uh looks but it's

[27:46] one of those uh movies where everyone acts as if she's hideous early on when she's clearly like a

[27:52] very pretty person somebody who would be bull like that i watched it with my husband last night he

[27:56] said the same thing but then i reminded him of you know my kids experiences in school i have a

[28:02] senior in high school and then i have a kid who's in college and you know kids are mean at that age

[28:07] they're mean to everybody yeah a lot of it Dan is how you carry yourself when I was young I got

[28:10] bullied a lot but now I'm a successful underwear model and you wouldn't guess that you wouldn't

[28:15] guess it from that that I was that I was bullied so much but it happens you know yeah and sometimes

[28:19] Dan people bully people because they're intimidated by them it's happened to me all the time when I

[28:24] is that why you guys are constantly bullying me yeah yeah that's why I'm an agent to a popular

[28:30] underwear model Elliot Kalin keep those jobs coming Stu uh they they the one opportunity I

[28:36] feel like they missed with this mascot costume is not having the killer in millie's body using

[28:42] the mascot costume to kill someone yeah but say i guess they're saving it for freaky too

[28:47] yeah so it's great so she the her mother forgets to well her mother drinks too much and passes out

[28:52] and fails to pick her up from the game she's left at school alone all the lights go out except of

[28:58] course we see the butcher is standing in the parking lot he chases her eventually he catches

[29:04] her he stabs her with the ceremonial ladola dagger that he's stolen which makes kind of a weird spooky

[29:11] sound and at this point like uh there's a visual there's a little special effect visual where

[29:17] they're transported to the top of an aztec temple uh so we know that there's something definitely

[29:22] supernatural going on neither of them seem to notice that they've been transported to a temple

[29:29] and there's a bunch of weird blue lightning going on.

[29:31] Like, until the switcheroo happens at midnight,

[29:36] it's like the two of them don't seem to notice it.

[29:39] You know, like they're living their normal lives, you know?

[29:42] Like stalking and slashing people and getting stalked and slashed.

[29:45] It's possible that the football field was built on an Aztec temple,

[29:49] and this is one of those kind of David Macaulay-type books

[29:52] where they show you cross-sections of things.

[29:53] I see, yeah.

[29:54] But I really loved that effect.

[29:57] i was not expecting it and i thought it was really cool the fact that they didn't draw too

[30:01] much attention to it and just kind of happened and then it was a neat thing and it's one of those

[30:04] effects that made me kind of miss well like many things it made me miss seeing a movie in a movie

[30:10] theater like i feel like it would have looked great on on the big screen um so he he you know

[30:16] he stabs millie and then he gets a matching cut on his own shoulder we know something is up and

[30:22] then he is scared off when millie's sister charlene the police officer arrives and starts shooting at

[30:28] him uh we think everything is fine she goes to the police she makes a report they uh when the

[30:35] killer was scared off he left the dagger behind ladola uh i'm gonna say that as many times as

[30:41] possible okay it's brand it's all about branding guys uh and then they go so is that is your that's

[30:48] your brands now or no i mean when i found out that we were doing this movie i reached out to the

[30:55] manufacturers of ladola brand daggers oh okay okay there you go and they said if i mentioned it

[31:01] slicing tomatoes give you some money yeah i mean you know times times are tough here in in this

[31:07] economy so i figure if i can make a little bit of ladola dollars or la dollars

[31:12] i knew you had to say it stupid now uh for the record i'm now looking up what ladola means

[31:20] and i'm finding some contradictory things apparently in spanish uh according to one

[31:24] website it does mean leapfrog so i don't know but uh it also in uh in slavic mythology apparently

[31:31] dola are protective protective spirits that embody human fate and in sanskrit it seems to

[31:37] mean swinging or oscillating so i don't know if any of those really really apply but uh if anyone

[31:43] knows the the uh appropriate meaning of the word dola right in to the flop house care of dan's

[31:48] apartment one two three america street and so forth so uh they they go uh millie goes to sleep

[31:57] uh we get some special effects and then when she wakes up that's right we've had a body switch and

[32:02] we are the screen announces in uh with a pretty funny chiron that it is friday the 13th yeah so

[32:10] it is indeed a freaky friday yeah yeah and they did a good job with that reveal of the two

[32:18] characters because that's when we first see them you know switching bodies and how um the character

[32:24] of millie woke up and you know she was now the butcher and looking around her room and seeing

[32:30] all the girly things and, you know, feeling her body and then, you know, her mom walks in and just

[32:36] the, just the way she carried herself all changed. And I thought the actress did a very good job with

[32:41] that. And, and then Vince Vaughn was in his lair, you know, the lair was pretty cool. The production

[32:50] design, you know, it was like these open windows and a dirty old bloody mattress on the ground and

[32:56] all these weird things hanging you know from um the ceiling it looked like you know the texas

[33:04] chainsaw massacre living room or something and right yeah i was just gonna like i loved how

[33:11] like it was like a joke in and of itself that they like pushed the serial killer lair all the way

[33:17] you know like she wakes up and like there's dead animals hanging from the ceiling and

[33:22] yeah bones and things and stuff hanging around yeah i was like this this serial killer has spent

[33:28] more time on interior design than i ever have in my normal apartment well you gotta make a space

[33:35] your own and you gotta make it so that you're comfortable in it and clearly he has very specific

[33:38] comfort needs and it takes a lot of work the uh i was reading about uh the the factory and you

[33:45] were holes building and it's about how they like painted the inside of it and covered it with foil

[33:49] So it was all silver, shining silver everywhere in the interior of the building.

[33:52] And I was like, I would find that distracting, but apparently to someone that was the right

[33:56] workplace.

[33:57] So you can't, you know, it's like him with his layer.

[34:00] You can't judge.

[34:00] Yeah.

[34:01] Yeah.

[34:03] As long as the end result is, is great.

[34:05] You know, you can't really fault it.

[34:06] Um, and I mean the Blissfield butcher, he's had a long career in killing people in Blissfield.

[34:10] You got it.

[34:11] The guy's still going strong.

[34:12] You got to give it to him.

[34:13] He knows, he knows what works.

[34:14] i feel like there's got to be a bunch of old mills in this town for him to survive this long

[34:20] and this if it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's fine well it's like how in gotham city

[34:23] there's that whole section of the city that's just abandoned amusement parks

[34:26] the now we talked about uh we talked about katherine newton who plays millie but in this

[34:33] case she plays the butcher uh as like the butcher realizes that there's been a swap

[34:39] and i feel like for an actress uh like a young actress this is probably about got to be really

[34:43] fun to get to play this like like straightforward and evil of a character yeah yeah i feel like that

[34:52] kind of role doesn't come around a lot she's this little girl you know and just cute young thing and

[34:57] she's playing this you know really as you say evil sort of dark character who you know she doesn't

[35:05] speak a lot in the second half of the movie it's mostly with her facial features and how she's

[35:10] you know, peering at people and looking at them and being very menacing.

[35:15] And, you know, I wonder how much of that really came from her or, you know,

[35:20] did the director work with her or, you know,

[35:22] how did that happen with both of them? Because they were, they're, you know,

[35:26] I thought she did a great job with it. It was believable to me.

[35:30] Yeah. And I also liked how, you know, like Vince Vaughn is a giant man.

[35:34] And I liked how once the switch happened,

[35:36] uh the killer in this much smaller body sort of had to like kept sort of trying to fight like

[35:43] uh he was still vince vaughn but then like had to figure out a better way of murdering people

[35:50] the scene where she's trying to he him and her body is trying to break down a door and it's like

[35:55] yeah yeah and vince vaughn's body you could probably just smash a door down but not when

[35:58] you're into katherine newton's body like they they did have some funny stuff with that yeah

[36:02] and then Vince Vaughn was like running around with his hands out and very

[36:06] girly, you know, he kind of really worked into that a lot. Um,

[36:10] just being more feminine and, and in his mannerisms and,

[36:15] and in his speaking voice and everything, you know, it was, it was charming.

[36:19] Yeah. And I feel, well, I, I don't know, like at least I w I was a little

[36:24] nervous that it was going to get over the top or become like offensive.

[36:28] And it, I didn't feel like it at any point. Like it felt pretty like it,

[36:32] it disappeared like you believed it uh at least for me well there's and there's this there's a

[36:37] scene later and i won't talk about it too much until we get to it where they kind of take this

[36:42] the fact that it's a it's a girl in a in vince vaughn's body to its logical conclusion and it

[36:49] there's a scene that like really worked for me when it maybe shouldn't have in the way like it's

[36:54] a scene i didn't think they would be able to pull off that they did and we'll talk about that later

[36:57] so so from now on i'm just going to clarify uh i'm when i refer to i'm going to refer to the

[37:02] butcher even though the butcher is in millie's body i will refer to that character as the butcher

[37:06] and now millie is in the butcher's body that is now millie just to be clear

[37:11] yeah okay so they both end up going you know they try to get used to their new bodies they both end

[37:17] up going to school uh millie realizes that uh she realizes her predicament and that she also

[37:26] realizes that they there's a sketch out for the butcher so she the people are looking for her she

[37:33] can't just wander around also she stinks so she wants to take a shower yeah of course so they

[37:41] they both end up going to school the butcher is using this as an opportunity i'm guessing to show

[37:45] off uh some cool outfits and to stalk some new victims uh we're introduced to uh we're introduced

[37:53] to like uh like a queen bee character at the high school named ryler now elliot you're kind of an

[37:58] expert on this sort of thing what medieval profession is a ryler so a ryler as as even

[38:04] a lot of trendy names now they are medieval uh occupations fletcher of course a fletcher a piper

[38:11] uh a ryler i assume is someone who would kind of rile up uh a bear before a bear baiting match

[38:17] like a rodeo clown like they just run out and go hey hey hey hey bear hey bear hey bear

[38:23] either that or

[38:25] more of a psychological bothering

[38:27] yeah exactly hey bear

[38:29] what's over your shoulder nothing you fell for it again

[38:31] either that or maybe

[38:33] someone who made rye bread that's

[38:35] another possibility rye bread

[38:37] I guess yeah in probably like medieval

[38:39] Germanic or Prussian states you know

[38:41] that's where you would find that

[38:43] so yeah those are my two

[38:45] thoughts on what that would be yeah

[38:47] so the Ryler character

[38:49] gets stuffed

[38:51] in a uh a freezing machine that's in the locker room uh i'm guessing it's some kind of an athletic

[38:57] thing it's uh it's cryotherapy but i do not think that there's any cryotherapy machine a number one

[39:04] that's a very expensive piece of equipment for this high school to have and number two i don't

[39:08] think there's one that goes to like liquid nitrogen levels of of cooling so that this was

[39:13] in the movie where in the movie where a serial killer and a teenager switch bodies this was the

[39:19] part where i was like hold on a second yeah it's a futuristic cryo booth not in the girls locker

[39:27] room so it's not even accessible to most of the school it's not accessible to half the student

[39:31] body it's it seemed like a strange thing and at first i was like is it a like a sauna no it says

[39:37] cryo on it and she freezes to the point that she shatters so i it i don't know it might be like

[39:42] when a school gets a 3d printer and it's just to show off to the parents to be like look at what

[39:46] we got we never use it but we have it honestly i had to look on wikipedia to figure out why the

[39:52] hell there was this flash freezing human device do they do they explain it in the novelization

[39:58] of freaky dan by alan dean foster probably yeah oh we both dan we both guessed who the writer

[40:05] probably is alan dean foster okay so the so ryler gets killed uh millie well you should

[40:12] yeah who are millie's two friends that she that she talked to we have jess jess and nyla or josh

[40:20] and nyla right josh and nyla yeah and they're they're her two friends and uh they're the only

[40:25] ones who kind of like give her any support otherwise since most of student body sees her

[40:30] as a carry-esque outcast yeah a target for bullying so millie uh finds she stalks them

[40:37] finds them and then manages to convince them uh of the situation in a pretty fun action sequence

[40:43] uh it's like it starts as a chase as nyla and josh run away from millie thinking that millie's the

[40:50] butcher with good reason uh and then they end up getting in a big fight in the school uh the

[40:55] luckily unoccupied school cafeteria kitchen uh and it's pretty fun like they get some good like uh

[41:02] it's you know like vince vaughn and pans and things yeah yeah vince vaughn does a good job

[41:07] of making it seem like uh like millie is getting used to this new body this like giant overly

[41:13] strong body yeah and they're all just hitting each other with ladles and stuff like it's there's

[41:17] something kind of laurel and hardy about it at a certain point yeah yeah and you know like the

[41:21] vince vaughn body like she she doesn't want to hurt her friends but yeah they are hitting her

[41:27] with ladles and she has this giant hulk who i've seen tear apart a car and uh and brawl on whatever

[41:35] it's called so she convinces them that she is her she is millie in the butcher's body by having a

[41:45] call back to a cheer that they did or it was a handshake that they did in the beginning of the

[41:51] film they did this weird handshake so she does the hand who would know that handshake unless i was

[41:55] millie and then they go holy crap oh my god you know and then she says some other things that

[42:02] nobody would know except for them and then they believe her yeah they answer all the like all

[42:07] those uh deep-seated questions that teenagers only share with their their besties and i think

[42:12] like in it and this and this worked i feel like the dynamic between the three of them

[42:16] is it was was fun the whole whole time stewart elliot what what would you ask me to make it clear

[42:23] that i was uh in the body of a murderer i would say i'd say how are you doing today and you go

[42:27] well and i'd be like that's dan oh my god what happened to him why is he in this killer's body

[42:33] uh but yeah stewart what would you ask dan i would uh let me let me see i would uh oh man i don't i'm

[42:44] like how can i make a joke that isn't like it's like a joke and funny and not mean how am i how

[42:50] Why don't I ask him something that actually doesn't reveal in front of our guests something that he probably doesn't want to be public knowledge in front of anybody?

[42:55] Oh, I would probably ask you to bake me something from your encyclopedia of bread.

[43:03] And if you couldn't do it on command, I would know you're a serial killer.

[43:08] I love the idea of a serial killer in Dan's body who thinks he can bluff you by fussing with dough and things in the oven.

[43:18] And I'm like, well, I turn the oven light on.

[43:20] I get down on my haunches and like, hmm, it's going to have a soggy bottom.

[43:24] I don't know.

[43:24] Real Dan wouldn't do this.

[43:27] It's just like, it's just the Great British Bake Off at a certain point.

[43:30] And the killer is like, I hope they don't notice that it kind of fell apart at the end.

[43:35] And you'd be like, it kind of falls apart at the end.

[43:37] And Paul Hollywood comes out and like sort of glares.

[43:40] And you think, oh, no, he thinks you are the killer.

[43:44] But then he shakes your hand and realizes.

[43:48] So that's been a deep dive into the Great British Baking Show.

[43:50] So they realize that the heart of their problem is this magical dagger, La Dola.

[43:57] And they, what, they look it up on the internet and they...

[44:00] They look it up on the internet and then there's an inscription on it in Spanish.

[44:05] They take it to the Spanish teacher at the school who is kind of like the Spanish teacher at this high school is basically the non-English speaking native character you see in a lot of horror movies who like is extremely superstitious and extremely knowledgeable about this mystic artifact.

[44:23] And this is another thing.

[44:25] She literally says, Madre de Dios when she's looking at it.

[44:28] And I was like, come on.

[44:29] And you know what was funny about that too?

[44:32] she she was the spanish teacher and she's talking to the kid in spanish she's talking to josh but

[44:37] played by uh misha what's his last name osher osher osherovich osherovich yeah and and she's

[44:46] speaking to his face he's like i don't know what you're saying i don't comprende her for it she's

[44:51] like you've been taking my class for four years he goes yeah i can't speak a word and that's so

[44:56] my kids experience in high school like happened in this movie that because i have two like high

[45:04] schoolers that i went oh my god that's it's exactly what's happening because my daughter's

[45:10] taking spanish she's in the next room for four years she can't speak a word of it because you

[45:15] know they i don't know why but we're just not good with languages here unless you know you're

[45:20] actually speaking in every day us americans yeah i mean i was kind of like that with uh with french

[45:27] when i try to take french in school because i thought like the cool kids were all taking french

[45:31] and then by the time i started i'm like i'm not interested in this i can't i can't you know it's

[45:35] not fun to speak i had four years none of it stuck so yeah well unless you're using it all the time

[45:41] you know i made a couple movies in italy and i actually had to work with the italians and they

[45:48] didn't speak english so i learned more over there you know uh working with them for six weeks than

[45:54] i did in in the night classes i took at ucla before i went over to do the movies oh yeah yeah

[46:01] when like when it's a life or death situation in that you're like where's the bathroom or where is

[46:06] this thing that i need then like you learn pretty quickly i think right yeah um yeah so so yeah so

[46:15] uh they figure out uh so the spanish teacher explains the stakes and the stakes are if they

[46:21] don't stab each other again the change is going to be permanent if they don't stab each other again

[46:27] by midnight the change is going to be permanent right so right around now uh the butcher attacks

[46:33] the shop teacher played by alan ruck this is a pretty funny fight sequence uh because the butcher

[46:39] keeps overestimating uh his strength so uh but eventually he manages to overcome and uh the

[46:47] logical conclusion of uh alan ruck ending on a a table saw is fulfilled it's great oh my god i

[46:54] can't believe how gory this movie was at times it was great i was really surprised yeah yeah

[47:00] this is a blumhouse movie and they don't really do that much gore yeah i mean happy happy death

[47:05] was did not have this same level of gore no yeah really it didn't but it was it was all great it

[47:12] was all it was all well done and uh it was fairly visceral i didn't i didn't expect to see that much

[47:18] of inside alan ruck and like you see a lot more of his insides than you certainly not outside his

[47:24] book inside alan ruck yeah well that's i mean that he's talking emotionally there yeah oh man

[47:30] he takes you into what he calls ruck space his special place that only alan ruck knows about but

[47:36] now you get to join him inside alan ruck it's available from ruck house his self-publishing

[47:40] arm yeah so the uh of course around now the cops have come to the school they see uh millie and uh

[47:49] millie's friends and starts and they start to we have a chase they jump into josh's terrible little

[47:55] car and uh drive away from the school um i really related to that car since my car is is falling

[48:02] apart and constantly finding new ways to not work properly so seeing that was another moment where

[48:08] you're a person just watching a movie and you're like this movie is speaking to me maybe on a level

[48:12] that the filmmakers didn't expect to yeah yeah so of course uh millie's sister charlene of course

[48:19] my wife's name charlene uh please keep reminding us she she ends up uh chasing them they uh try to

[48:29] lose her in a giant discount store uh they stick millie in a changing room where she has a kind of

[48:37] like a catfish style heart to heart with her mom uh they it's a scene that goes on for a while

[48:43] that was a cute scene yeah that's a good scene still yeah but it was it it was it was funny in

[48:49] that i was like not expecting this kind of long heart like heartfelt conversation between mother

[48:55] and daughter uh between a you know in a changing room and the the mother doesn't realize that she's

[49:03] talking to her daughter but it's the conversation that her daughter needed to hear her mother

[49:07] instead thinks she's talking to a man who uh she becomes attracted to him yeah yeah and as i said

[49:15] i've been i've been watching a lot of catfish lately so i was having i was having some real

[49:19] triggering moments here where i'm like oh i don't know you should really shouldn't be going through

[49:22] with this but luckily uh it doesn't get any weirder um they end up uh i i feel like they end up they

[49:28] they run off or they find out that uh the butcher has taken some potential victims including booker

[49:36] who is Millie's crush, they take...

[49:40] The one nice member of the football team.

[49:41] Everyone else on the football team is a real jerk,

[49:43] except for Booker.

[49:44] Yeah, I just want to mention, too,

[49:46] during the football team sequence,

[49:48] when they were out there in the beginning of the movie,

[49:50] one of the guys, and I don't remember which guy it was,

[49:53] but he had on his jersey the name Strode.

[49:56] Oh, Laurie Strode.

[50:00] Yeah, only for the true horror freaks.

[50:03] the real sickos from the john ford westerns yeah got it

[50:07] uh yeah no they they they find via instagram where this dude is the the one that uh millie

[50:16] has a crush on booker and there's um yeah she's threatening these dudes the the killer is uh

[50:25] and goes into this back area where it's like it's a black light miniature golf course haunted

[50:33] house kind of thing yeah i'm like oh what is this town that they're in that has the cryotherapy and

[50:38] this i know cool ass mini golf place i would love to go to it's definitely a business i've never

[50:44] heard of but now i really want to go to like a haunted house mini golf it's they did they did

[50:49] definitely like you know take some things that they thought oh this would be cool let's stick

[50:54] this in the movie you know but but it kind of worked like it did i mean the cryogenic therapy

[51:00] thing that threw me off a little bit but i went with it but yeah and then that other place the

[51:06] miniature golf place was like what is that but you know you just kind of go with it yeah yeah do you

[51:11] i feel like the cry the cryotherapy bit wasn't even in the script they were just like they had

[51:16] one lying around bloomhouse studios and they're like we got to use this thing yeah and things

[51:20] been lying around yeah we bought it thinking we would use it in four movies we've used it in two

[51:25] we gotta we gotta like it hasn't it hasn't paid for itself yet and i i love the i do love this

[51:31] like black light mini golf course because it's kind of like like disco bowling or whatever you

[51:36] know when they are black light bowling but it also it also kind of remind me the end of uh the guest

[51:41] when they're like walking through the uh the maze so it's a i would it struck me what a realistic

[51:49] looking black light mini golf course it wasn't what like any time on the tv show modern family

[51:54] they would do like a haunted house it would be like well this is a haunted house from a movie

[51:57] like this is not something a family could put together but here i was like yeah i believe this

[52:01] is like this is what a a haunted house uh mini golf course would look like should one exist

[52:06] although that is in concert that is sorry concert that is in contrast to the uh replacement

[52:11] homecoming dance that the teens seem to be able to throw together with like a dj

[52:16] and so many decorations it looks amazing that's that's the opposite of that yeah there's i think

[52:22] teens i think teens are more likely to be able to put shit together at the last minute than

[52:26] say we are dan i mean kids are pretty industrious you know especially when parties are are involved

[52:32] and the other thing i want to say about that mini golf course is there's a bunch of things

[52:35] written on the walls like there's one it's like a grim reaper and says like i'll get you at tea

[52:39] time or something like that and i was like somebody somebody had the fun of thinking up

[52:43] what they were going to write on the wall of the haunted house mini golf course so of course day

[52:48] on the set of course they uh they they managed to subdue the butcher and they managed to convince

[52:56] oh and they also knock out booker and they go back to josh's house where josh's mom is supposed

[53:01] to be gone for the weekend uh and they convince booker millie's crush that there was a body swap

[53:08] when millie reads from memory recites yeah recites from memory a a love poem that she had written for

[53:16] him and left in his locker what a week ago two weeks ago and anonymous and put in there so he

[53:23] wasn't signed yeah uh and this this is where we were this this starts a uh a ball rolling downhill

[53:31] which will eventually hit the bottom of the hill but uh it becomes a very exciting little uh plot

[53:37] arc for me i i i want to say too though uh this points up one of the i know it's uh it's weird to

[53:45] worry about plot holes in a

[53:47] Freaky Friday slasher movie

[53:49] but I do think that

[53:51] in the movie they

[53:52] it is pretty easy for Millie

[53:55] to memorize a poem

[53:57] yeah tell me about it

[53:58] easy for Millie to convince her

[54:01] friends and her love interests that

[54:03] that she is

[54:05] in the body of this murderer

[54:07] and

[54:08] but with Charlene who is

[54:11] on the police

[54:12] could like help out greatly

[54:15] They don't even make an attempt to be like, let's call her on the phone.

[54:19] Let's have him say a few things that, you know, like the special keywords like with everyone else.

[54:25] You know, it seems like a weird, weird problem with the movie.

[54:28] I would say she did.

[54:29] I thought it was a little refreshing to me that she could convince because in real life, if someone came to you and said, here's the thing that I know about that, that nobody else would know except for you and me.

[54:39] You wouldn't reject that out of hand too much, but whenever Char sees a problem, she just pulls out her gun and yells at it, and maybe that's a situation they just don't think they can get into.

[54:51] It's not until Charlene is literally disarmed and locked in a jail cell that Millie is like, hey, I'm your sister.

[54:58] Okay, I've got to go.

[54:59] Goodbye.

[54:59] So I get it.

[55:03] Which raises the question, though, Stu, if you were to switch with somebody else's body, how would you convince your Charlene that it was you?

[55:10] Ooh, that's very difficult.

[55:12] I would, I'm in a different body.

[55:14] I would probably start reciting, I don't know, like Lord of the Rings facts.

[55:19] And I wouldn't even have to be that accurate about it because as soon as I started talking, I would see her eyes glaze over and I would know I got her.

[55:31] So we so Booker's on the team.

[55:33] They come up with a plan.

[55:35] They need to get the they need to get the dagger back from the police station and they need to bring it back and stab the butchers so that they can get that body swap happening.

[55:43] So they go to the police station, of course, at Josh's left with the butcher to guard a tied up butcher.

[55:53] They get to the police station and Nyla sneaks in.

[55:58] She distracts Charlene briefly by saying the butcher's outside, which I feel like you're raising the stakes too high.

[56:04] I feel like at that point when you're trying to like misdirect somebody, you could go a little bit like you.

[56:12] I feel like you're you're putting Charlene's, which is my wife's name, Charlene's alert level at like 100 percent at that point.

[56:22] the only reason i agree with you is because the butcher actually is outside but it millie in his

[56:28] body and so i would worry that charlene would run out see the butcher in the car and just fire at

[56:32] him and kill her own sister in a tragic almost greek you know sort of thing um maybe there was

[56:39] a prophecy about it i don't know i'm just spitballing the greek tragedy version of this

[56:43] story which i would call i guess uh freakapus i guess freakapus freakapus or oedipus freaks uh

[56:51] Now we get some more complications.

[56:54] Josh's mom comes home and tries to cut the butcher free, thinking the butcher is Millie.

[56:59] And, of course, at this point, the butcher manages to get free and chase them around with a knife before fleeing the house and stealing a police car.

[57:09] And the dagger.

[57:10] Does she get the dagger at this point?

[57:11] Yeah, he gets the dagger at that point.

[57:12] There's a lot of action happening.

[57:13] Yeah, when she goes to the police station, she gets the dagger.

[57:16] while now while we're at the police station uh millie and booker are hiding in the back of the

[57:21] car and they have a really deep conversation oh my god yeah and this was uh this was my wife's

[57:29] favorite scene in the movie she loved it uh it was so like i was not expecting a a scene with

[57:38] vince vaughn could convince me that he is a teenage girl with a huge crush on a boy and that both like

[57:45] they are both actors are great in this scene yeah uh and he like moves to the back seat of the car

[57:51] to sit next to millie and there's there's even a kiss and it's so fucking funny and it's a it's a

[57:58] scene that they that like they're it feels like they're doing it real like it's it's a it's a

[58:04] funny scene but they're not they're not playing it really silly yeah they play it honestly yeah

[58:09] Yeah, and it's played very sweetly.

[58:12] Yes, and I never got the sense that the joke was like,

[58:16] this is two guys kissing, but the joke was that, like,

[58:18] they are, for that, he sees her in there for that moment

[58:22] and kind of forgets that she's in this body,

[58:25] and really it's more that he's a hulking brute

[58:28] who smells terrible that snaps him out of it.

[58:31] And it was this scene and the one where he's talking to the,

[58:34] where she's talking to her mom in the killer's body,

[58:36] it was like, oh, these are scenes that they could have

[58:38] turned into really like kind of like verbal slapsticky type scenes but instead they played

[58:43] them much more emotionally i think they were handled very well and i and i think you know

[58:49] they're they deserve a bigger compliment because or just a big compliment because you know it's

[58:56] about the the theme that it doesn't matter what you look like it's really about the inside and

[59:01] who you are as a person and that's really what matters and that's and and it was handled so

[59:05] gently and delicately and nicely and a lot of the movie is kind of funny and over the top but

[59:12] these moments were handled with a lot of care by everyone and it really worked i did i wanted to

[59:19] say i mean like i do not want to suggest that um that like people of all different sorts uh can't

[59:26] have empathy for all different sorts of people but the lack of suggest it go ahead no i'm not

[59:32] suggesting it but the the sweetness and the like just sense of like it it does not matter what you

[59:38] look like it matters who you're inside uh um the the director of this uh christopher landon is an

[59:47] out gay man i think that like a lot of the empathy there comes from that experience i also discovered

[59:54] his dad is michael landed of course i did not know that oh yeah that's great yeah so he's been

[1:00:02] around the business for a while yeah yeah so uh the butcher shows up grabs the dagger uh

[1:00:10] drives off in a police car uh josh connects up with uh his friends uh we're hearing that police

[1:00:17] car now yeah i can't tell if that's that's on my side or dan's side i'm assuming if it's a police

[1:00:23] car oh it's probably me then it's part of stewart's theater of the mind experience

[1:00:27] yeah well yeah i have i strap uh i strap a little speaker to my cat and the cat runs around the

[1:00:34] apartment to give the sense of a doppler effect okay so uh so the butcher is going to the home

[1:00:43] the makeshift homecoming dance that has been moved to his horrible uh his his horrible old mill

[1:00:51] uh that we saw previously and we complimented its decorations yeah i guess we missed the montage

[1:00:57] where all the teams clean up those uh carcasses hanging from the ceiling just just take the

[1:01:02] montage the montage from sister act where they clean up the old church or sister act two i guess

[1:01:07] they do it like just use that one you know yeah maybe both sister acts they do that so do both

[1:01:12] sister acts have cleanup montages this is the question i would ask you if you came to me she's

[1:01:17] a big sister expert okay both of them so our heroes uh head over to the old mill uh we have

[1:01:24] a showdown the butcher manages in the middle of the party manages to murder three date rapists

[1:01:29] and then a fourth date rapist that attempts to uh push himself on josh uh so you know we get we get

[1:01:37] some more bodies they managed to capture the butcher uh it looks like they have run out of

[1:01:43] time that their uh their watches uh that it's the it's already midnight but then they there's a

[1:01:49] callback to a previous moment when we realized that uh the watch that millie is carrying is

[1:01:54] bookers and booker always sets his watch five minutes fast or is it late i can't remember which

[1:01:59] yeah to set it five minutes late would not be a huge hell that actually makes sense

[1:02:06] so it's not midnight yet and they have time yeah they have time we uh uh they millie stabs the

[1:02:13] butcher and they swap bodies and then the cops shoot the butcher a bunch and this was the point

[1:02:19] where i'm like wait a minute did they actually switch is there another twist uh nope luckily

[1:02:24] they don't have to wait till midnight i was worried it was going to be a wait till midnight

[1:02:28] situation yeah i i gotta say i was very happy honestly that there was no like final rug pull

[1:02:33] in that way because the older i get the more when i watch a horror movie i want it to like

[1:02:38] end title like i want like i just want everyone to be happy guys you know i wonder i mean i wonder

[1:02:46] if they there was a point with the script where they're like no millie is still stuck in the is

[1:02:52] still stuck in the butcher's body but then has to come back but whatever so i think that's the kind

[1:02:57] of thing you could you can do in a movie with a with a darker tone than this one yeah like this

[1:03:02] this movie is not is not going for the like um like it not going for for that kind of final scare

[1:03:09] and i appreciated that too because it was like i don't want to imagine this killer living in her

[1:03:14] body while while millie is murdered you know basically yes and uh it was but there you know

[1:03:19] the the 1986 straight to video version of this would probably have that ending yeah so uh everything

[1:03:26] seems okay and then we have one final scare the butcher survived his shooting he uh comes back

[1:03:33] after millie and then millie her mom and charlene which is my wife's name managed to defeat the

[1:03:38] butcher and ran a stake through his heart i think that was going to be a dream sequence though

[1:03:43] because when they killed when they shot the butcher he had like four or five bullet holes in

[1:03:48] him yeah and it impacted his shirt he had that black shirt on and there were bullet holes in

[1:03:53] his shirt and then when he came back there was no bullet holes in his shirt and i said to my husband

[1:03:57] this is a dream sequence and and it and they actually thank god it wasn't a dream sequence

[1:04:02] because i'm kind of sick of those dream sequences yeah and and and it was real like he came back

[1:04:09] and i that was a continuity error where are the where are those bullet holes

[1:04:13] but i do like you had bought in enough in the movie where you're like it's got to be a dream

[1:04:19] sequence they wouldn't mess this up right well i also think they wanted to give the whole you know

[1:04:25] the heroes of the movie the chance to actually dispatch the killer yeah that was the point of it

[1:04:30] yeah it's great and just show like millie has stepped up because she you know you know she's

[1:04:35] tough well that's her family has come together now like they're there by by as many times in

[1:04:40] horror movies families that have problems and dysfunction can overcome them by murdering

[1:04:44] somebody together like that is the overarching the overarching sick joke of the movie is like

[1:04:52] it is taking that thing from like a body swap movie where like this has improved our lives

[1:04:58] where like it really has improved millie's life that she swapped with this killer for a while

[1:05:02] yeah yeah i think this movie is really lean you know with its story points it gets right to it

[1:05:08] there's there's not a lot of you know extra things there it's it this is the story let's get to it

[1:05:15] let's have some good set pieces let's have some cool characters this is our story and it has a

[1:05:20] message and you know people get what they what they need out of it and you know the heroes overcome

[1:05:26] and they and they i i feel like they understand the like the character beats they need everybody

[1:05:32] to hit and they for them like i feel like they hit them all like it's it's it's a it's a fun

[1:05:38] time at the movies i thought it was charming that that's my that's my one word uh yeah you

[1:05:46] know encapsulation of the whole movie i thought it was charming that it feels like rather than

[1:05:50] just trying to get across on the gimmick of it that they they put the they put the work into

[1:05:54] the tone and into the into those emotional beats of the characters and that was really nice yeah

[1:05:58] and i think the music helped with that too the music was very upbeat and very light you know

[1:06:03] and even in the darker moments it wasn't dark music i mean the whole tone tone is a really

[1:06:08] difficult thing and especially since it's comedy and horror to put that together i think i think

[1:06:13] the tone is you know difficult to get and i think the music really helped with that

[1:06:16] uh so yeah this is the point where normally we would be like oh is this a good bad movie a bad

[1:06:23] bad movie or movie you kind of liked i think we all liked it to a greater or lesser degree i mean

[1:06:29] like it is very zippy it is like a candy bar of a movie it like you're like that it is you're just

[1:06:36] gonna have fun i think i do like the happy death day movies a little more because i think they're

[1:06:40] slightly more inventive and i really like jessica roth as the yeah she's fantastic as an actress

[1:06:45] yeah yeah but this is a lot of fun yeah i think it's worth watching i i recommend it yeah me too

[1:06:53] yeah i think it's great yeah elliot elliot how do you feel you're not uh you don't usually watch a

[1:06:58] lot of the uh horror movies you don't usually talk a lot what do you think it's well it was

[1:07:04] exciting to me to see a movie that is new uh since i don't often get the chance to do i mean that's

[1:07:09] the this i am very saddened about what's happening with the movie theater industry but uh as the as

[1:07:15] the father of two small children i very rarely get to go to the theaters anyway so it's exciting to

[1:07:19] me to to see a movie that is like it's like oh this is a new movie like i haven't already seen

[1:07:23] all the takes on this you know and the backlash to those takes and then the backlash to the first

[1:07:28] backlash and then the critical consensus kind of settles in and then a year later i get to see it

[1:07:33] so it's like i'm seeing a movie that i don't know too much about already this is great and the movie

[1:07:37] was a lot of fun yeah there was a there was a moment early on and i may mention this on the

[1:07:42] show but there's a moment early on in quarantine when they first started offering up like new

[1:07:47] release movies for like a 20 rental on demand and i i like jumped at watching the invisible man

[1:07:53] because i was like i just need to watch a new movie right now well that was the thing too so

[1:07:58] when it came on our screens we're all like oh 20 my husband said that too we got to pay 20 for this

[1:08:03] yeah we have to pay 20 because you know it's a new it's a new film you know it hasn't gone

[1:08:07] through the theaters already it's not 399 or 299 it's 20 bucks it's the new like model of

[1:08:14] business at this point well it's as like as like you know someone who writes for television i like

[1:08:21] i i both get why people like have sticker shock and sort of get like a little annoyed at it because

[1:08:29] i'm like well if i went to the alamo like i'm gonna end up paying like 40 bucks with your 40

[1:08:35] bucks yeah and you gotta pay for a flight to texas that's a big cost right yeah well

[1:08:39] you're paying for that one screen too like as many people are in the household can watch at

[1:08:48] the same time like it is not you know oh that's i had the same that was like 1999 to watch a movie

[1:08:52] at home in a room that's much more comfortable to me than a movie theater and i don't have to

[1:08:57] wear shoes and for free i can eat whatever i want this is outrageous wait a second this is a nicer

[1:09:04] experience in some ways it was it was fun when uh when it when it went up and i saw you know when

[1:09:09] it went up on friday and we had the uh you know i saw the price i'm like i wonder how long it's

[1:09:13] going to be before i get a text from elliot complaining about the price and then i did

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[1:11:05] uh so barbara this was so much fun thanks for coming now i know the uh the the long

[1:11:12] time flop house listeners would kill me if i didn't ask but i need to know how did you get

[1:11:19] involved in soap operas oh my gosh i don't know it's like we were saying in the beginning these

[1:11:26] things just happen you don't you audition for something and they go want to do this and you go

[1:11:31] okay you're gonna pay me i'll do it um it was early on in my la career that i auditioned for

[1:11:41] i think it was it was um days of our lives yeah and uh was this was this when they were doing like

[1:11:49] supernatural stuff in days of our lives because i remember when i was a kid there was an arc where

[1:11:53] there was like a demon possessing somebody am i am i yeah that was around the same time i'm not

[1:11:59] sure i i was part of the salem slasher era oh that was before the demon or post demon yeah but um it

[1:12:06] was with john delancey he's been in some of the star trek series um and i was to play opposite

[1:12:12] him and i auditioned for that and i i was on the show for about 10 months and then um and then i

[1:12:17] did a couple other or was young and the restless right after that i it was a couple years later i

[1:12:23] i think i did my movies with stir gordon and then and then i auditioned for the young and the

[1:12:28] restless and that was only supposed to be for 13 weeks that's what you were contracted for every

[1:12:34] 13 weeks they re-evaluated your character and and they wanted to see if they wanted to keep you so

[1:12:39] they would hire you for a they would give you a contract for a year but every 13 weeks they had

[1:12:44] an option on you and uh they just kept renewing my option on the young and the restless and i

[1:12:49] actually played a crazy character on that show she was a borderline personality with psychosis

[1:12:54] it was super fun and every option period they kept re-upping my option until six years later i went

[1:13:00] i've been on this show yeah um so it was great because it was good money and yeah it kept me

[1:13:08] employed you know and as as a performer you're you're basically unemployed most of the time

[1:13:14] unless you get a series and so i had regular work for six years so i was able to put money in the

[1:13:19] bank and buy a house and you know that that was that was nice to have that cushion for a while

[1:13:24] have you seen any of the have you seen the footage of the soap operas that were filming love scenes

[1:13:29] at the start of quarantine where they were like kissing mannequins have you have any seen anything

[1:13:34] i've heard about that i've read like mannequin standards i didn't did you see it i i mean i've

[1:13:39] seen clips yeah it's pretty great really i have to look that up now that we're chatting about it but

[1:13:44] i i read about it but then i didn't see it i didn't look for it the now did you ever go to

[1:13:50] any um because those are two kind of interesting fandoms and worlds of like soap operas and the

[1:13:56] horror community did you ever go to any like soap opera conventions or anything yeah i went on a

[1:14:03] cruise once for a soap opera that was pretty fun and i got to bring my mom with me oh that's great

[1:14:08] are the fandoms similar is there like i'm are they i'm assuming they're all lovely

[1:14:13] they're pretty rabid fans i'll have to say um in in both but um i think the yeah and they're

[1:14:22] both very loyal yeah i think that the fan base for horror movies is a little bigger and wider

[1:14:28] now okay when i first started out doing soap operas 50 million people a week used to watch

[1:14:33] them now it's like five million a week so the there's just so much product out there gaming

[1:14:38] has become a really big industry now games make more money than anything and television is really

[1:14:45] big now and there's so much product out there there's you know i mean everybody gets a smaller

[1:14:50] piece of the pie and that's that's true in independent filmmaking the margins have shrunk

[1:14:54] you just don't make as much money as you used to with anything uh-huh and what and what are you

[1:14:59] working on nowadays well thank you for asking um i did i have you know it's funny i've been pretty

[1:15:07] busy in quarantine which is really weird um and speaking about gaming i i i'm doing a a pretty

[1:15:15] big game for really big company and i've never done a game before and these guys know me from

[1:15:20] my horror movie roots and it's kind of a horror game so they they just called me and said would

[1:15:27] you like to do this and i said okay yeah and so i've gone in like i don't know seven or eight

[1:15:33] times and recorded for four hours each session and i have something like 800 lines and i have

[1:15:40] this really cool character and she's a mom and yeah she fights bad people and that's great yes

[1:15:46] i thought that's been really fun um and that'll be announced like next year sometime but the really

[1:15:51] really big thing i did um is uh i was working on developing this movie called jacob's wife for

[1:15:59] about four or five years and i'm a producer and actor in it and uh that'll be coming out

[1:16:06] next year as well it's about an older married couple oh that's great exciting things happen

[1:16:11] yeah now it's it's it's it's not like a it's not like a scenes from a marriage type movie or is it

[1:16:19] No, it's like a marriage story with horror elements.

[1:16:22] Oh, that's good.

[1:16:23] Yeah.

[1:16:24] Now that you're producing and acting,

[1:16:30] do you like being able to do both at the same time?

[1:16:34] Or I don't know, I feel like that lets you kind of pick your projects a little more.

[1:16:38] Yeah, and not every project that I want to produce in the future has me as an actor in it.

[1:16:44] I have a meeting tomorrow with these guys that we've been talking.

[1:16:47] I'm working with the company that produced Jacob's Wife, AMP Films.

[1:16:52] And a film came to me that somebody said, you should read this.

[1:16:56] It's really good.

[1:16:57] And there's no part for me in it.

[1:16:58] And I said, oh, my God, we have to do this.

[1:16:59] I love this script.

[1:17:00] So we're meeting with them tomorrow.

[1:17:01] But I will say that, you know, again, talking about You're Next, when I did that film and I saw all those people doing all the different jobs, you know, you're an actor, you're a cinematographer, you're a writer, you're a producer.

[1:17:14] I said, well, why can't I do that?

[1:17:17] Is it, you know, is it too late for me?

[1:17:19] I hope it's not too late because look, they're having fun, you know,

[1:17:22] they're, they're doing it all and everybody's making their own content.

[1:17:25] Why don't I try to do that? So that's what I've been doing. And yeah,

[1:17:29] I'm making some stuff for myself, but I'm,

[1:17:31] I'm just interested in a good story. Yeah, that's great.

[1:17:35] I'm excited to see that movie. Yeah. And I'm also, thank you.

[1:17:40] And I'm also really excited because I'm going to be in the new, um,

[1:17:44] the new season of creep show so i was telling you guys we had a little one and i and i went i flew

[1:17:52] to atlanta a few months ago and i did an episode of that and you know i grew up with those movies

[1:17:56] and i mean i've seen them all and you know i just was like wow that i was an honor to be part of

[1:18:03] that show and i have a great character yeah we're yeah we're we're big fans of anthology horror stuff

[1:18:09] here uh you know creep show tales from the crypt etc yeah right uh a buddy a buddy of mine did one

[1:18:17] of the segments of uh what abcs of death part two i think uh steve kostansky uh oh i know of him yes

[1:18:26] yeah he put me in his movie this year and that was like the coolest thing in the world a movie

[1:18:30] called psycho gore man that's him that's his movie i haven't seen that yet but everybody loves that

[1:18:37] movie yeah it's super fun uh and i managed to get another plug in for him on the podcast

[1:18:42] you're still not elliot sharko and hippo levels but you're doing oh sharko and hippo my new picture

[1:18:49] book that's in in stores now uh with illustrations by andrea tsurumi yeah sharko and hippo sure

[1:18:54] everyone can buy that for their for the child in their life definitely oh man get something going

[1:18:59] on yeah dan you need something to plug right now your cat is just the only thing that you can plug

[1:19:03] right now so how's archie doing these days oh great you know he's got a little bow tie he's

[1:19:08] he's fantastic that's how you can know he's a wealthy cat because he wears a bow tie around

[1:19:15] i mean i can't even tie a bow tie so i'm assuming he's much better off than me

[1:19:21] you must be very dapper if he's wearing his bow tie

[1:19:23] yeah just around the house well it's like archie dan's cat knows that it's not just about how he

[1:19:33] looks but how he feels and he just feels fancier with that yeah i understand that i appreciate that

[1:19:38] yeah okay well this is this was super fun guys yeah thank you enjoy your show i'm honored to

[1:19:47] be on it and thanks for having me yeah this was a this is a real pleasure thank you for letting

[1:19:53] me pick a new movie by all means thank you for picking a good one for us okay i don't want to uh

[1:20:02] i don't want to uh embarrass stewart but he uh he was at a very high excitement level for the past

[1:20:08] uh few weeks where we talked about this and we all were too but uh stewart's such a laconic kind

[1:20:14] of cool guy that i just needed to to mention especially he's how excited he is inside but

[1:20:19] you can't tell yeah oh thanks you guys i i'm really touched by that i i mean that thank you so much

[1:20:26] oh man that was such a blast uh i'd love to thank uh barbara crampton for taking some time

[1:20:35] and getting to chat with us uh we're all huge fans and uh she was a delight uh so much fun

[1:20:42] um she lived entirely up to her reputation as a delightful wonderful person um so thank you for

[1:20:50] listening uh i'd like to once again plug uh my bars if you're living in brooklyn uh we're doing

[1:20:57] takeout service and limited seating at hinterlands and minis uh hopefully uh things will change in

[1:21:04] the next couple months um and if you haven't yet and you're interested we are still selling merch

[1:21:10] at hinterlands bar merch at gmail just email me and i will send you all the info and then i will

[1:21:17] pack it up and ship it myself i'm a little uh backed up right now uh because everybody's been

[1:21:23] so generous but it's super great and uh it's helping us keep the lights on um i'd also like

[1:21:29] to recommend my wife's brand new podcast first episode went up last week uh i know the owner

[1:21:37] which is bar people talking bar stuff the first episode is the two of us talking about our bar

[1:21:44] in our bar with actual bar sounds around us um and it's a show that i'm very proud of and if you

[1:21:54] are looking to kind of learn a little bit about the bar industry and also just spend some time

[1:22:00] with some bar people i'd check it out wherever you listen to podcasts probably in your ears

[1:22:09] right in your ears is where you should find it yeah although i mean if you put it tight enough

[1:22:13] to the bones of your jaw you can get those vibrations into your although i still go through

[1:22:18] your ears i assume at some point they resonate though that's what you're saying i'm worried

[1:22:23] stewart mentioned stewart mentioned he's backed up and i'm worried it's because he's been trying

[1:22:26] to listen to podcasts in an area not his ears still just don't don't even think about it yeah

[1:22:31] but i need the vibrations you know we uh we did this a little bit at the end because we were like

[1:22:39] oh we need you know we should have a better ending a more professional ending i think because we're

[1:22:44] not very good at ending things we're nailing it right now we are totally yes we are uh is that

[1:22:49] your way of saying that we should end the show yeah i was just trying to plug my little businesses

[1:22:53] and keep the lights on i mean this podcast is a i think i've been very supportive in those

[1:22:59] i mean stew's just out there trying to achieve the american dream dan but if you want to keep

[1:23:04] stomping on it i'm a real monster that's the thing i'm just hustling yeah yeah

[1:23:09] well uh thanks to everyone for listening to the show thank you for the maximum fun uh for uh being

[1:23:16] our network thank you to jordan cowling for editing and producing the show especially this

[1:23:23] episode probably yeah uh if you like this nonsense please uh rate us well on itunes it really does

[1:23:31] help or tell people podcasts are one of the things in this world that still mostly operates on word

[1:23:40] of mouth so let's keep it that way let's uh let's keep this rolling i mean let's keep the word of

[1:23:46] mouth going but we don't want to keep it that way that i mean we want a big advertising budget right

[1:23:49] like i'm gonna see a billboard with our faces on it that's like bad movies they've got your

[1:23:54] prescription we're dressed as doctors too i mean if we can get it sure i'm or or like or like uh

[1:24:01] there's a couple of like bandito like uh like wild west criminals that are bad movies sitting

[1:24:07] at a table playing cards and that we we're standing in the doorway dressed up as wild west

[1:24:12] lawmen okay uh-huh and we're like uh uh wait uh dan come on what's the tagline come on yeah

[1:24:21] bad movies are the disease and we're the cure no one's ever done that one right

[1:24:28] never ever also it's confusing because we're in the wild west and diseases

[1:24:33] maybe we should be wearing the doctor's stuff again that would be better for the

[1:24:36] other billboard we're dressed as doctors

[1:24:38] we shouldn't have employed mixed up advertisers incorporated

[1:24:45] yeah yeah it's that one episode of madman where don draper got drunk and

[1:24:50] messed up his presentation yeah yeah uh well anyway we hope you've

[1:24:55] enjoyed this slightly different episode

[1:24:57] of the Flophouse

[1:24:58] but until next time I've been

[1:25:01] Dan McCoy. I've been Stuart

[1:25:03] Wellington. And I'm Elliot Kalin

[1:25:05] saying thank you again Barbara Crampton you're great.

[1:25:07] Bye!

[1:25:23] Excellent. Why don't we just do that to prank our guests?

[1:25:26] We have this huge collection of people saying four.

[1:25:29] We're like, someday we'll find a use for this thing.

[1:25:31] Someday. It'll be an art installation.

[1:25:33] Our big four project.

Ep. #330 - Freaky, with Barbara Crampton

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