Ep. #333 - Wild Mountain Thyme

[0:00] on this episode we discuss wild mountain time time repeated the clock king well bartman you've

[0:09] got all the time in the world i carumba exclaimed the bartman reaching for a bartarang

[0:14] okay you're right it was a hot one

[0:30] it was a hot one that was so is that read directly from a from a simpson story

[0:59] It's read from my Simpsons fanfic.

[1:01] Okay.

[1:02] What's interesting to me is just that Clock King is a real Batman villain, and yet somehow he's fighting Bartman, a parody villain, a parody hero.

[1:10] Elliot, Elliot, I don't want to blow your hair back or nothing, but the world of fanfiction has a lot of strange mix-ups.

[1:18] Okay, fair point.

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[5:23] Look, this is not a show

[5:26] where we just plug other shows of ours.

[5:29] This is a show where we watch a bad movie

[5:31] and we talk about it.

[5:32] And, hoo boy, we watched a movie of the moment.

[5:36] It's called Wild Mountain Time.

[5:38] How is it a movie of the moment, Dan?

[5:39] This is maybe the least relevant film in the history of filmmaking.

[5:42] Considering I could not tell throughout most of it when it was taking place.

[5:47] Until they went to New York and I saw, oh, the modern day New York.

[5:50] I thought it was in the 1940s, 50s.

[5:52] Well, no, they mentioned going to the Lion King before then.

[5:54] That's when I was like, okay.

[5:55] But even then, that could have been 20 years ago.

[5:57] It's a long-running show.

[5:58] One of the longest-running shows on Broadway, if not the longest-running.

[6:01] Julie Taymor has done it again.

[6:02] The Lion King on Broadway now.

[6:04] I didn't mean that it speaks to our particular moment in culture.

[6:09] If anything, it is retrograde.

[6:11] So it's a movie of the moment in that it exists in this moment in time.

[6:14] It is the bad movie du jour is what I would say.

[6:18] I feel like the most enthusiastic bad movie chatter on the internet I've heard of late has been around this movie.

[6:25] So I was delighted to check it out.

[6:28] To show that we have our fucking fingers on the pulse, baby.

[6:31] Now, I first heard this movie, I want to say, it's true, I first heard this movie a few months ago when the radio did a news story about how bad the accents in the movie were.

[6:39] So that's, it was a breaking national news story back when there was still room in the news for stories like that.

[6:45] Yeah.

[6:46] Well, this is a movie written and directed by John Patrick Shanley, who is a playwright of note.

[6:55] He did Doubt, among other things.

[6:58] he did the play that this is based on which is like a a four-person uh number that ran on broadway

[7:04] um you should say you should say hit play just to pump up the episode yeah and i think a lot of

[7:11] people would know his work from moonstruck which this is a pallid uh attempt to recreate the magic

[7:17] of in many ways or or the screenplay for the movie congo or that's true or the movie we're

[7:24] back a dinosaur story yeah which i'm surprised to learn well i mean there's a lot of we're back in

[7:30] this there's a lot of we're back yeah now uh and he's and he is a problematic figure for other

[7:34] reasons that we won't get into here but john patrick shanley so this is somebody who has a

[7:38] mixed bag of work some of it some of the highest heights some of it some of the lowest lows dan

[7:43] where does this one place well we'll see i could i i will say that him being a uh a playwright sort

[7:52] of first

[7:53] makes me think that I could see

[7:56] how this material would work better on the stage

[7:58] but I think we'll get to that.

[7:59] What was the name of the play?

[8:02] What's the name of the play it's based on?

[8:03] It's like Outside Mullumagallagallagall.

[8:06] Wait, hold on.

[8:08] Let me take a look. It is based on the play Outside

[8:10] Mullingar. Okay.

[8:12] Or Mullingar. Now, Dan...

[8:13] That doesn't work as like

[8:16] a pun because the character

[8:18] specifically has a

[8:20] has an herb

[8:22] name there's a character named rosemary that's an herb and time is an herb well i think is there a

[8:29] character named sage no i think the pun is more about time and time like time the herb and time

[8:34] the the processing of moments i don't i don't think time and rosemary are meant to be the puns

[8:40] uh now dan john vetter shanley directed the movie of doubt it's not like he wrote

[8:44] moonstruck it he it's not like he's a this is a one this is a playwright only who dabbled in

[8:50] film oh he also directed joe joe versus the volcano but he's done three well actually that's

[8:55] that's not he not only directed he was the lead attorney in the case joe joe v the volcano which

[9:01] went to the supreme court they found for the volcano anyway let's get into this movie uh

[9:06] because it's a wild one um so dan how dan how would you how would you rate the mountain time

[9:12] in this would you rate it as wild mild or unavailable unavailable at the moment writer

[9:19] of the Jack Reacher novels.

[9:20] Yeah.

[9:21] Now, Dan, it's interesting.

[9:23] Now, listeners, we're going to have an,

[9:24] sorry, I'm just going to say,

[9:25] we're going to have an interesting take.

[9:26] I'm looking forward to hearing Dan's take on this

[9:28] because I found this movie to not be a wild one.

[9:30] I found it to be an exceedingly mild and dull movie.

[9:32] But, Dan, you are so hopped up on it,

[9:34] I want to see what you saw in it.

[9:36] Yeah, and if this movie was a background level

[9:41] for the Street Fighter video game,

[9:43] it would be Guile Mountain Time.

[9:45] Okay, well, thank God we circled back.

[9:49] And if it was, wait, if it was a high C, it was a Ghostbusters tie and high C flavor, it would be Wild Mountain Slime.

[9:55] If Dan's getting frustrated now, oh boy, we're just starting.

[9:59] So the movie starts, well, it starts with, you know, three or four production logos, that's all movies do these days.

[10:07] Three or four, three or four dozen, Dan.

[10:09] There were a lot of production, and each got, each getting cheaper looking as they go on.

[10:14] And we get a voiceover, and I think to myself, is that Christopher Walken?

[10:19] Sure is.

[10:19] Christopher Walken doing a bad Irish accent, probably the worst of an uneven bunch.

[10:26] What?

[10:26] But, I mean, you know, he does a good job, even though he doesn't seem Irish at all.

[10:31] And he's doing an intro, just like a bunch of Irish blarney, you know, just toss together some Irish poems in a wood chipper.

[10:41] He says at one point, he goes, they say if an Irishman dies while telling a story, you'll know he'll be back.

[10:47] And I still don't understand what he meant by that, and it never comes up in the movie.

[10:51] But, Dan, for you, this was like, ah, glory, McCree, this would be like mother's milk to me.

[10:57] Ah, my people speaking to me.

[10:58] My Irish eyes are smiling.

[11:00] Arr, arr, matey, I'd be a pirate, too.

[11:03] Is that how you felt watching it?

[11:05] I mean, so my lineage from the name McCoy, there's, I have an uncle who's very obsessed with the idea that we are of Scots heritage.

[11:17] He, a lot of his identity is tied up in that.

[11:20] He has a kilt.

[11:21] He has a little Scotty dog.

[11:23] He has all the stuff.

[11:25] He's gone all the way.

[11:26] He created a dog for it.

[11:27] I've never been convinced we're necessarily Scottish.

[11:31] I don't, I haven't done the genealogy.

[11:32] It seems like maybe we're Scots Irish.

[11:34] It's not important.

[11:35] But I did look at this opening, and one thing you can say for this film, Ireland looks beautiful.

[11:40] You watch this movie in high def, you're like, I want to go to Ireland.

[11:44] That's what I'll say about that.

[11:46] Yeah, you're like, did I turn the green levels up on my TV too high?

[11:51] So, Christopher Walken's talking about a guy who loves to shoot crows.

[11:57] Just glass and walk and talking.

[11:58] That's what we call it in the biz.

[12:01] This guy who loves to shoot crows is Rosemary's dad.

[12:05] Okay, we meet a young lad who will grow up to be Jamie Dornan from the Fifty Shades movies.

[12:14] And he's allowed to have his Irish accent here, which improves his likability greatly.

[12:22] I'm still not sold on him, but this is the most I've thought he's put in a good performance in something I've seen.

[12:29] He was named one of the 25 biggest male models of all time by Vogue.

[12:32] Really?

[12:33] Yep.

[12:34] They call him the Golden Torso.

[12:36] He's a good-looking man.

[12:37] We cannot deny that.

[12:38] He's playing a very different kind of character than Christian Grey here, wouldn't you say?

[12:43] Although very similar in some ways.

[12:45] He is not outwardly defined by his obsession with domination and sexual violence.

[12:51] But at the same time, he is a man who represses his feelings and doesn't think himself worthy of love.

[12:57] So we'll get into that.

[12:58] Yeah.

[12:59] So, when he's a young child, young Jamie Dorden, I'm going to generally talk to people, refer to people by their actors' names, because I think it's easier to keep track of it that way.

[13:12] But he loves Fiona, another girl who you think that we'll maybe see again in the movie.

[13:18] We do not.

[13:19] She does not seem to figure into the plot as an adult person.

[13:24] but another child rosemary who will grow up to be emily blunt uh loves him and we see a scene where

[13:31] fiona makes fun of young jamie uh because he's got something on his nose i think some bee pollen

[13:37] maybe he sticks his nose into a flower for reasons that will be revealed at the very end of the movie

[13:43] and are stupid and and she and so she she tells him he looks ridiculous and makes fun let me let

[13:50] me let me just say that uh until the end of the movie you don't know that's something that needs

[13:57] to be explained because people do smell flowers there is a thing that happens at the end of this

[14:02] movie which is so randomly inexplicable and yet if it had happened at the beginning of the movie

[14:06] i would have been like well this is an interesting movie but instead it's like they held it to the

[14:10] very end and they need because the movie is so sleepy that they're like we got to give it a shot

[14:14] of like vitamin b at the very end of this no i i agree with you there we will get we will get to

[14:20] it but um so she makes fun of jamie dornan for having this stuff on his nose young jamie dordan

[14:25] and that makes uh rosemary attack fiona and anthony pushes her down uh to protect fiona and

[14:32] like this of course heartbreaking for uh rosemary because she likes him but he's not seemingly

[14:39] interested and she's talking to her dad about it she's like i have no place in the world where's

[14:45] the place for women uh which doesn't really figure in thematically with her but no there's a lot of

[14:51] there's a lot it feels like a play partly because there's a lot of like um that like faux kind of

[14:56] irish poetical talk in it and characters will be like hey what are you doing i don't know just

[15:03] leave me alone why not oh it's a good thing men are tall because they have to bear the weight of

[15:08] the goodness that women bring into the world and i was like what hold on a second like there's a lot

[15:12] of non sequitur aphorisms and there's

[15:14] one really good line in the whole movie

[15:16] that I really liked so congratulations

[15:18] John Patrick Shanley

[15:19] let's see if it's the same line that I liked

[15:22] maybe it's the same line

[15:24] I like who knows

[15:25] we'll find out after this

[15:27] I'm here to talk about the movie Wild Mountain Time

[15:30] we flash forward from the

[15:32] child versions of our leads

[15:34] to we see Emily Blunt

[15:36] full grown still wearing the exact

[15:38] same clothes only

[15:40] larger that she was wearing as a child i don't know whether she had multiple outfits in different

[15:45] sizes as she grew or they just kept adding cloth to the old that's what they do in ireland the

[15:51] clothes grow with you that's how you get one set of clothes now dana one thing i want to mention

[15:55] because it plays up later her dad uh bucks up her spirit by playing swan lake on a record player and

[16:00] telling her you're the white swan so she she identifies as that but yeah i have to assume

[16:05] that like they use a growth ray on the clothes so that they fit them later when they're adults

[16:09] or something like that uh otherwise they'd be like walking around like ripped up hulk clothes

[16:13] and that'd be crazy right that would be nuts yeah that'd be who would do that so it's all in the

[16:17] it's all in the movie molly i unshrunk the clothes uh which is a it's starring rick o moranis where

[16:25] he actually uses a growth rate to make the clothes bigger and everything's fine because it means they

[16:28] can wear them longer you know maybe maybe that'd just be really stylish i mean i don't know i'm

[16:33] kind of out of touch i'm you know i'm kind of a i'm not i'm not you know young and hip as i used

[16:38] to be yeah everyone's still wearing those baggy pants right chain wallets yeah you see you don't

[16:45] see a lot of that in the movie a lot of chain wallets and baggy pants but maybe bowling shirts

[16:49] with flames on them so so dan emily blunt she's rosemary what's going on with her uh well her

[16:56] father has just passed away we learned this uh jamie dordan and walk-in are talking about her

[17:01] dad dying he he was the crow guy the guy who likes to shoot crows and the mom christopher walken is

[17:07] jamie dornan's dad right yes and emily blott's mom comes in she's worried about what's going

[17:13] to happen to ruth mary now dan this is a total waste of time but do you think if uh do you think

[17:18] if christopher walken was ever on the west wing that director tommy schlamme would have had him

[17:22] do a walk and talk it anyway continue oh thank you it's a classic dan it was a classic tommy

[17:31] schlamme walk and talk and joke anyway continue you know i appreciate that you warned me ahead

[17:37] of time that it was going to be a total waste of time because it did help me not oh good good i

[17:42] helped you process it that i was aware that i was wasting your time so they're worried about

[17:46] rosemary who is outside smoking her dad's pipe yes uh because this is ireland and she does not

[17:51] smoke a cigarette she smokes her dad's pipe but um so walk-in tells uh his son jamie dorn that he

[17:58] he's maybe not going to get the farm when he dies and the reason walk-in gives at this point is that

[18:05] he takes after his mother's side he's more of a kelly and the kellys were crazy uh but we learn

[18:12] soon after that this is obviously all bullshit he's actually concerned because uh jamie doesn't

[18:18] seem to have any interest in uh marrying having kids like continuing the family line for the farm

[18:25] and i'm like why does why does christopher walken have to make up this bullshit reason rather than

[18:31] Then just say what he's thinking, although the whole movie, I guess the point of it is as it comes along that the Irish are all emotionally repressed.

[18:42] Yes.

[18:43] This is a movie where the only obstacle to any of them being happy is that they refuse to allow themselves to express emotions to each other until the last possible minute, which maybe is Ireland.

[18:53] I've never been there.

[18:54] I'd love to go sometime.

[18:55] You know, it looks beautiful.

[18:57] Big fan of Irish food, big fan of Irish setters.

[19:02] I love the way they set.

[19:03] They have a special way of setting in Ireland that they don't do in other countries.

[19:06] If you look like a Spanish setter or like a German setter or a Russian setter,

[19:12] they just don't set the same way that the Irish setters do.

[19:14] But, Dan, explain this.

[19:17] I want you to get into the interesting stuff.

[19:19] Explain the frontage situation.

[19:21] The frontage?

[19:22] With the two farms.

[19:24] Yeah, that's pretty important.

[19:27] It's both desperately important to the plot and incredibly boring and has no impact on anything.

[19:31] I'm going to get there in just a second.

[19:33] Before that, though, Jamie Dornan goes out and they're hanging out, him and Emily Blunt.

[19:39] And they have this exchange that I would like to say where Jamie goes, where do we go when we die?

[19:47] The sky?

[19:48] And Emily Blunt goes, the ground.

[19:50] And then Jamie Dornan says, then what's the sky for?

[19:56] Which is weird.

[19:58] It doesn't quite...

[20:00] But then she says, for now.

[20:02] That's the point they're trying to get at,

[20:04] is that they should be living for now

[20:06] and enjoying the beauty of the world.

[20:07] I also liked that you did an Irish accent for Jamie Dornan,

[20:09] but not for Emily Blunt, which was an interesting choice.

[20:11] No, I just gave up on it.

[20:13] Where do we go when we die?

[20:15] Do we go to the sky?

[20:15] No.

[20:16] Then where do we go?

[20:18] The ground.

[20:19] I do want to say that what's the sky for

[20:23] uh just reminded me of the classic spies like us joke what's a dick for for peeing anyway so uh

[20:32] anyway let's get to the weird driving uh element of the plot that doesn't make any sense at all

[20:38] um so christopher walken wants to buy back the entrance to his farm uh the frontage a word that

[20:46] i didn't uh know before elliot said it but where the gate is to his farm it's his right of way he

[20:52] His farm cannot connect to the road.

[20:54] Instead, there are these two gates that separate his property from this little patch of land that Rosemary's dad owned and gave to Rosemary.

[21:04] And now Rosemary owns it and Christopher Walken wants to buy it so that his farm can go to the road and he doesn't have to deal with these damn gates anymore.

[21:09] And I'm like, hey, man, look at what Christo did with the idea of gates.

[21:12] Gates can be really interesting.

[21:13] And Bill Gates was one of the richest men in the world.

[21:15] So maybe don't look down your nose at gates, Mr. Christopher Walken.

[21:18] Yeah, and the gate was an influential Canadian horror movie.

[21:22] launch steven dorf's career yeah but he's basically just annoyed that uh he has to

[21:27] frequently because his ireland get out of his car in the rain open these damn gates uh to get into

[21:33] his own property and but but the thing is rosemary owns this land because her dad gave it to her when

[21:39] she was 10 because that's where jamie dornan pushed her down and so this is some like weird

[21:47] makes sense spite but also like romantic uh i don't know like a statement i don't really

[21:55] it's a she's she has made it's sacred ground to her maybe because it's where he touched her when

[22:00] he pushed her but she has a she has a a long-running unrequited passion for him that

[22:04] verges on stalking by this point so uh we see her watching uh jamie dornan uh the next morning he's

[22:12] floating down the river in some kind of bucket raft and he's swatting at bugs with an oar

[22:16] and he's doing his best to look like the guy on the cover of flood by they might be giants

[22:20] blunt is watching him like totally besotted uh while she's still being like what's what's this

[22:26] guy's deal and here's the thing like the movie tries to make out like jamie dornan is acting

[22:35] very strange the entire film and we do learn that he has a strange secret at the end but

[22:42] i'm watching it being like i guess he's a little weird like he doesn't seem to be doing anything

[22:49] that odd but everyone around him acts like he is the the nuttiest guy in the world he's just kind

[22:55] of a clumsy goofball who's who can't really he's not super articulate but everyone acts like he's

[23:00] he's a he's a madman you know dan you should also mention uh she spent all night looking for her

[23:05] runaway horse right because she has rosemary has this horse that keeps breaking out of the pen

[23:10] Almost like a visual representation of her unrequited passion

[23:14] But that would be crazy

[23:15] But that would be too obvious

[23:17] Who would do such a thing?

[23:18] Do you think Jamie Dornan was like

[23:21] Okay, I gotta be wacky in this scene

[23:23] I'll part my hair slightly differently

[23:26] Yeah

[23:27] So the two of them chat

[23:30] And he's like

[23:31] This farm is a prison

[23:33] But there's a green field and the animals living off of them

[23:36] and and so he like doesn't like to be a farmer but he loves it too and he tells her to sell

[23:43] her farm and leave ireland because there's no place for a decent person and i don't understand

[23:49] this is another thing throughout the movie he's like trying to get her to get off this island and

[23:54] i don't get what his deal is like so dan i'm gonna oh wait you say what you're gonna say and i want

[24:00] to step in with my explanation and let's see if it's true part of this movie that like you say

[24:04] that you don't understand why i thought it was so such a corker um i like it does mostly all come

[24:12] at the during the last like half hour but also throughout the movie i'm just like no one acts

[24:19] like this there's no one in this like later on there's one person in the movie who acts like

[24:24] like a human being that i could recognize but like the movie does not make everyone's emotional

[24:31] motivations very clear and in certain in one case that's like leading up to this surprise but

[24:39] just in general like i had a hard time understanding like people's relationships

[24:44] why they were doing the things they were doing um like why they cared so much about the things

[24:50] they cared about because where like how much time has passed at different points it's very unclear

[24:55] it's very unclear yeah what what era we're in what time has passed like it's the ireland of the 1950s

[25:00] but they have like modern cars but uh they it is a the reason that that i didn't find it of course

[25:06] it's a very slow movie it's a very slow movie but also the characters are such like kind of

[25:12] folk irish cartoons you know in a way that like the characters they don't do realistic things

[25:17] they do the things that someone in a guinness commercial would do or like uh you know in a

[25:21] like a waking ned divine type movie would do or something like that but yeah if like wake if

[25:26] Quaking the Divine was written by someone who desperately wanted to be like Neil McDonough or something like that.

[25:34] But there's a glimpse of a really good movie in this about depression and about characters who are struggling with depression and feel like they are not capable of loving or being loved or even of enjoying the things they genuinely enjoy because of this hereditary depression that they can't control and they don't really understand.

[25:56] That's not this movie.

[25:56] This movie keeps hinting at that.

[25:58] Like Christopher Walken later will get to gives a speech where he's basically saying, I suffered with crippling depression, and then it was lifted from me someday, and I became a better person.

[26:06] But instead it becomes kind of an Irish mysticism thing of a song on the wind, you know?

[26:10] But it's like – that I think would have made this movie into something more understandable and believable.

[26:17] But instead it's just a very slow movie where it's like, you know, basically she keeps saying, hey, I like you.

[26:22] And he's like, I'm going to refuse to understand that.

[26:26] And she's like, okay, well, then I'll tell you something else that tells you that I like you.

[26:30] And he's like, well, that's impossible, so I'll just keep doing this.

[26:33] And everyone is like, look at that crazy person.

[26:35] Oh, he's the eccentric of the Moors or whatever it is.

[26:38] Dan, do they have Moors in Ireland?

[26:40] I've never been there.

[26:40] Yeah, yeah.

[26:43] Or do they only have Fens?

[26:44] Do they have Fens or Moors?

[26:45] What about Boggs?

[26:47] Yeah, what about Boggs?

[26:48] Wait, are Fenns and Moors, are those synonyms, but Moors are just in Scotland?

[26:54] I think that they are.

[26:55] I don't know.

[26:55] I don't know what a Fenn is.

[26:57] Well, Sherrill and Fenn, I'm familiar with.

[27:00] Now, what about Shires?

[27:02] Now, do they have Shires there, or is that just a hobbit thing?

[27:05] Oh, yeah.

[27:05] No, everybody has those.

[27:07] Now, when they say that-

[27:08] A Fenn is a marsh or a bog, so-

[27:11] Oh, so very much not a Moor.

[27:12] Not a Moor.

[27:13] A Moor is flatland.

[27:14] Mm-hmm, with like scrub on it.

[27:17] Yeah, yeah.

[27:18] A lot of sheep often.

[27:20] DVD copies of Scrubs, the hit TV show.

[27:23] Okay, so Jamie Dornan takes it.

[27:26] Do they have a lot of big waterfalls in Ireland, like 50, 100, 200-foot-tall waterfalls?

[27:30] I think they have some waterfalls.

[27:36] I don't think it's like Iceland where there are waterfalls all over the place.

[27:39] How about deserts?

[27:40] Are there any big deserts or desert canyons?

[27:43] I don't think so.

[27:44] I mean, unless they've got some permafrost and it's like technically a desert or something.

[27:48] Okay, what about like a volcano?

[27:50] Or like a plateau.

[27:53] Jamie Dornan carefully takes a bee outside.

[27:58] And again, something that only becomes significant later.

[28:02] Won't spoil it yet.

[28:03] But we were watching it like, is this like a save the cat scenario?

[28:09] Like we know that he's good because he saves this bee.

[28:12] Do you think in the stage production they had a person in a bee costume on stage?

[28:17] I hope so.

[28:18] They got the girl from the music video.

[28:22] Yeah, they got the girl from the Blind Melon video, and that was when she stepped on stage, the audience went nuts.

[28:28] Like, it was one of those things where they get applause just for appearing, you know?

[28:32] Oh, man.

[28:33] Now, Dan, when you say it's a save-the-cat scenario, I never knew that the save-the-cat screenplay method was make your hero likable by having them save a cat at the beginning of it.

[28:42] movie is that what you're saying it means i believe that's what it means are you not you

[28:47] yeah that that you should that you should always have someone save a cat well not literally a cat

[28:53] but like show something like that early on to like get you um sympathetic with them well how

[29:00] come i've never seen a movie where someone saves a cat at the beginning yeah save the cat is the

[29:04] screenwriting rule that says the hero has to do something when we meet him so that we like him

[29:08] and want him to win so you know it's well like the long goodbye long goodbye saves a cat right

[29:13] yeah inside lewin davis is all about trying to say that's for the whole i wonder if that's when

[29:20] the coen brothers were like we got to really learn how to write screenplays we got to read

[29:23] i wonder if that is the joke of it i don't know right what is that right did i remember the long

[29:28] goodbye correct i don't remember there is a cat right he goes out the cat is fussy it only eats

[29:35] a certain kind of food.

[29:36] I think the cat ran away then

[29:38] because of the bad food.

[29:40] Can we get back to it?

[29:41] Now, Dan, wait.

[29:41] But then in Batman Returns,

[29:43] the cats save Michelle Pfeiffer.

[29:45] So why are the cats

[29:46] not the heroes of the movie?

[29:47] That's actually a good point.

[29:50] Good point.

[29:52] And in Wonder Woman 1984,

[29:54] Kristen Wiig's character

[29:55] is a cheetah person.

[29:57] That's kind of a cat.

[29:59] So maybe Gal Gadot's the hero

[30:01] because she saved Kristen Wiig

[30:04] from a war.

[30:04] Gal Gadot is the hero.

[30:05] She is the titular Wonder Woman.

[30:07] Dan, Dan, Dan, you can talk about her performance without talking about her body.

[30:11] Thank you very much.

[30:12] Okay, the eponymous Wonder Woman.

[30:15] Again, Dan, please.

[30:17] Inappropriate.

[30:19] So Christopher Walken gets a letter from his nephew in America.

[30:22] He doesn't want to read it in front of Jamie Dornan.

[30:25] There's a blow-up.

[30:26] We don't know what it's about yet.

[30:28] Maybe his readers are really weird-looking,

[30:30] and that's why I didn't want to read the letter in front of him.

[30:33] His readers?

[30:34] Yeah, his reading glasses.

[30:35] I've never heard them referred to that.

[30:37] I'm learning a lot of terminology today.

[30:38] You don't hang out with old people.

[30:39] Yeah, I got beaters, save the cat, fen.

[30:41] This is a very educational episode for me.

[30:43] Jamie Dornan practices asking Emily to marry him, Rosemary Emily, to a donkey.

[30:50] He's practicing to a donkey, is saying these words to a donkey.

[30:54] He kneels in front of the donkey to ask, and this old dude named Cleary is peeking over the wall.

[31:02] Like in The Simpsons where Mr. Burns tries the pacifier and the paparazzo just goes, what a scoop.

[31:11] He goes, marrying a donkey, are you?

[31:14] You are mad.

[31:15] And Cleary, I guess, is the guy who goes around telling bad news to everyone because he tells Dornan that the farm is being sold to Walken's nephew.

[31:24] Then he like runs off and Jamie Dornan chases him around because he's like, don't tell anyone about the donkey.

[31:31] Oh, can't put that genie back in the bottle.

[31:33] So, and I don't know at this point, like, really what is keeping these two fuckers apart.

[31:43] Because I'm like, well.

[31:45] Wait, which fuckers are you talking about?

[31:46] Cleary and Jamie Dornan?

[31:48] Because he hates him.

[31:49] She leather.

[31:49] Because he's a gossipy old man who's telling people he's in love with a donkey.

[31:52] This is not my slash fic.

[31:54] This is, I'm just saying, our leads, Jamie and Emily Blunt, like, clearly he likes her at this point.

[32:01] yeah so just do it like if he's willing to well i think i mean elliot brought it up before but

[32:08] they both suffer from crippling depression and also narrative requirements yes they suffer from

[32:13] crippling narrative requirements which is the real issue uh now i was saying to i was talking

[32:17] so my wife watched the beginning of this movie with me and then about 30 minutes in she said i

[32:21] don't want to watch any more of this so i watched the rest by myself but she was i was talking to

[32:25] her saying a really good a really well done romance you know they're going to end up together

[32:30] and you want it and they're so obviously meant for each other that each time an obstacle gets

[32:34] in their path it frustrates you and you're like come on no no no you got to do this so by the

[32:38] time they overcome the obstacles whether they're internal or external you're like yes you did it

[32:42] here like you're saying dan there are almost no obstacles so it's very it's this weird it's almost

[32:47] like a like like a brechtian experiment in distancing the audience from caring about

[32:52] these people because their problems are so invisible and and you don't know what's why

[32:56] or what's going on.

[32:57] It's very confusing.

[32:59] I assumed going in

[33:00] that this was going to be

[33:01] about two feuding families

[33:02] and they hate each other

[33:03] and that's why they're arguing.

[33:05] But no,

[33:06] their parents get along great.

[33:07] Well, I also thought,

[33:08] I mean, you know,

[33:09] you see Jon Hamm

[33:10] in the poster.

[33:12] You think this is going to be

[33:12] a love triangle.

[33:13] He figures in

[33:14] in significant but small ways.

[33:16] Anyway.

[33:17] Now, Dan,

[33:18] is it ironic that Jon Hamm

[33:19] is the least hammy performer

[33:20] in the entire movie?

[33:21] That he actually gives

[33:22] the most subdued performance

[33:23] of anyone in the film?

[33:24] Yeah.

[33:26] i mean it it's kind of offset by the fact that the first scene or the first modern scene is

[33:31] christopher walken taking a ham from a widow so that that's true oh there's so much symbolism in

[33:38] this movie you know what i forgot it's a rich stew it's a rich mulgatani stew of uh of ideas

[33:43] themes and symbols and i love it now so uh blanche is mad at walk-in that he's selling the farm to

[33:50] his nephew and and she's like hey he'll smarten up and marry me eventually and again i'm like what

[33:56] what the fuck's keeping these people apart uh doran's like oh it's fine if the farm gets sold

[34:01] and he's at the bar and a woman comes up to him and meanwhile blunt and her mom and walking around

[34:09] a different bar where there's old irish music playing there they call them pubs

[34:15] Yeah, pubs.

[34:16] They're at a pub.

[34:17] Sorry.

[34:17] Blunt sings a song that Christopher Walken's wife used to sing, the titular Wild Mountain

[34:24] Time.

[34:25] Again, Dan, there is no reason to comment on her appearance or her body during this.

[34:31] It's a singing thing.

[34:33] There's no reason.

[34:34] Yeah.

[34:35] And she has a lovely voice.

[34:37] She's been in musicals before, Emily Blunt, Into the Woods, Mary Poppins.

[34:40] Like Live, Die, Repeat?

[34:41] Live, Die, Repeat.

[34:43] Now, Stuart, what would be some of the song titles from Live, Die, Repeat the Musical?

[34:47] I don't know.

[34:51] There's the Back Again, Here I Am, I'm Not Dead.

[34:55] Hey, there's Tom Cruise.

[34:57] Oh, Look at Those Aliens, Watch Out for the Aliens.

[35:00] Here I am, right where I belong.

[35:02] That's from it, right?

[35:03] That's from Live, Die, Repeat the Musical.

[35:05] Now, what would his I Want song be?

[35:08] Oh, that's true.

[35:13] stop stop killing me so many times that was the name of the song okay so this is what there are

[35:20] a few moments that i found uh genuinely moving in this movie this was one of them uh christopher

[35:25] walken watching emily blunt sing this song that his wife used to sing and uh we see the woman and

[35:32] dornan are climbing over a wall for some reason and she's like i'll never see you again right and

[35:38] He's like, yeah, and so she confesses her worst secret, that she slept with a priest, and Jamie Dornan whispers his secret into her ear, and she falls off the wall.

[35:52] It is such a shocking or funny secret.

[35:54] And she's laughing while she falls.

[35:57] But they were drunkenly sneaking over a cemetery wall in bright daylight because they've been out all night just wandering around, I guess, drunk.

[36:07] So, Jamie's going to the airport to pick up the nephew who's going to buy the farm.

[36:12] And lo and behold, it's Jon Hamm.

[36:14] He and his Irish father are there at the airport.

[36:17] Jon Hamm.

[36:18] You've got to feel bad for the actor who plays the Irish father because he barely appears in the movie.

[36:23] He kind of disappears and evaporates into thin air and no one ever mentions him again.

[36:27] Yeah.

[36:28] Yeah.

[36:29] So, they go to the farm.

[36:32] Jon Hamm shows up a little behind everyone else in a fancy car.

[36:37] Yeah, he's like a slick-willy American guy, right?

[36:40] Yeah, and this puts, well, it puts Dornan off a little bit that he's like this city slicker.

[36:45] But as we will see.

[36:47] And he's also very direct.

[36:48] Well, yeah, as we will see, Jon Hamm is, to my mind, the only reasonable person in this movie.

[36:53] But we'll get to it.

[36:56] And Hamm gives him a white raincoat, which is, I guess, ridiculous because it's just going to get stained.

[37:03] I didn't quite understand why.

[37:06] looks ridiculous it's kind of ridiculous oh dan i have to i have to correct earlier i said i

[37:11] referred to neil mcdonough when i meant martin mcdonough that was the story i was talking about

[37:15] neil mcdonough is blue-eyed bad guy is the blue-eyed bad guy actor but i was i was talking

[37:20] about looks like a husky dog yes he does look like a husky dog yeah that's true oh so dornan is

[37:27] my fantasies keep evolving damn thank you well that's you have to assume that if he was an

[37:31] anamorph that's what he would turn into right yeah of course oh man when's the neil mcdonough

[37:37] anamorph book so doran is wandering the field in his new white raincoat using a metal detector

[37:45] like he's some sort of detectorist and john ham and emily blunt look at him like he's again uh

[37:52] some sort of wacky character when he's acting fairly normal and i mean i wouldn't say it's

[37:58] necessarily normal but it's not necessarily wacky yeah it falls on that range between look have i

[38:02] ever walked around in a white raincoat with a nettle detector in ireland no but if i saw someone

[38:06] doing it i wouldn't be like lock him up get the men with the butterfly nets oh look what he's doing

[38:11] oh faith and bagora oh you might rabbit you might and those are all my irish voices yeah you wouldn't

[38:16] like pull out your phone and take a pic so you can like meme the hell out of it no yeah uh so ham is

[38:24] very straightforward with blunt he's like he wants to her to sell her land to him and like i am i am

[38:32] almost immediately on john ham's side and in all of his scenes because he's like the only direct

[38:37] human being in the movie well you would feel that way dan being an abrasive hostile american who

[38:43] just got straight to the point instead of living in the in the negative capability you might say

[38:47] And the ambiguous beauty that God above, that Jesus provides for us on this beautiful earth where you get your mixture of happiness and sadness.

[38:56] You got your smiles and your tears.

[38:58] But in the end, I guess what matters the most is family and knowing that family will never tell you how they really feel about you.

[39:04] Actually, guys, I just got an alert on Twitter.

[39:09] It says that Ireland's just changed its travel restrictions.

[39:13] Not COVID-related, surprisingly.

[39:15] It says Elliot Kalin not allowed.

[39:17] what said accent worse than wild mountain time um no he comes into the movie i'm like oh okay

[39:25] a rational guy because like he's immediately like you know this is not a literal line but it's pretty

[39:31] close to the spirit of it just like what the fuck is it with you people in this gate and why are you

[39:36] waiting for this doofus to come around yeah well now here's here's the thing he's a mostly rational

[39:40] character except for the fact there's no reason for him to want to buy a farm in ireland it is

[39:44] yeah well we'll learn later on that that his dream is to become an irish farmer so maybe he's not as

[39:50] rational as he claims like that is how like the movie sort of undercuts his position a little bit

[39:55] um but it's either that or like start a brewery or like a fucking tech company or something right

[40:01] isn't he a wall street guy he maybe that's it is that he has a company and he wants to kind of

[40:05] what's what reverse whatever it's called where you buy a company he buys that farm in ireland

[40:09] now the the farm in ireland is technically the corporate headquarters for his business and he's

[40:13] got the Irish tax rate. I bet you that's exactly what it is. Dan, he's just dressing up vulture

[40:19] capitalism as a romantic vision of the Emerald Isle. And Jon Hamm, you should be ashamed of

[40:24] yourself. Okay. So it's going to turn into like, I mean, this is Scotland, but it's going to turn

[40:28] into more of a local hero sort of situation. I mean, no, mine is much more negative than that.

[40:33] In Scotland, they learn their lesson in local hero. In this one, it's just going to be more

[40:37] bad news for American taxpayers. Hi, I'm Elliot Kalin. It's about time we stopped all these

[40:42] companies going to Ireland, and that's why

[40:44] I think maybe I should just go

[40:46] to Ireland and stop the companies from walking in.

[40:48] Ireland, you need me. Anyway,

[40:50] that's my argument. Let me in, please.

[40:52] Have we all been to Ireland?

[40:54] No, I just told you.

[40:56] I told you earlier in the episode I've never been there.

[40:58] You've been to Scotland, Elliot. That's what I was thinking.

[41:00] I've been to Scotland multiple times. I love Scotland.

[41:02] It's my second favorite country on Earth after my beloved

[41:04] United States of America.

[41:05] But I'd love to go to Ireland someday. But, you know, I guess I'm more

[41:08] Scottish at heart than Irish.

[41:10] Maybe when they lift that restriction, but

[41:12] i don't know you keep seem to be digging yourself deeper yeah yeah i don't know maybe i mean then

[41:17] also there was that time when i when i beat up the lucky charms leprechaun but that was over a

[41:21] misunderstanding i thought he was somebody else it was dark you thought he was the evil leprechaun

[41:25] from the leprechaun movies and you're like might as well beat him up while you got the chance not

[41:30] realizing that if it was the real leprechaun from the leprechaun movies he could just magic himself

[41:33] away from your attacks i know i well i wasn't thinking and it's partly because i just eaten

[41:37] a bowl of what i thought was lucky charm syrup was actually magic cereal magicked up by the evil

[41:41] leprechaun and i've really thrown off my perceptions so i guess if the leprechaun from the leprechaun

[41:46] movies was a fighting game character for instance right dan he would he'd be more of a zoner it

[41:50] would all be about teleport attacks and like range attacks as opposed to like beat down and

[41:55] brawling what do you think now i bet you lucky charms leprechaun would be one of those characters

[41:58] that throws a lot of stuff like that's what i'm saying he's also a zoner there's not so physically

[42:03] powerful but they have a they have like a big combo that throws a lot of things at you a lot

[42:07] of marshmallows yeah like a mega or ultra combo yeah i don't know i don't know how accurate this

[42:13] is because it is you know on one hand just something that someone wrote on the internet

[42:18] on the other hand it does come from the leprechaun wiki so if anyone knows about the leprechaun

[42:22] movies it's the people contributing to the leprechaun wiki and the claim over there is that

[42:27] it is not the same leprechaun in all the leprechaun movies which makes sense because

[42:32] he just gets like blown up and stuff a lot and no one ever like there's never a scene where he like

[42:37] comes back together and they're like oh you know like he's you know a jason style character who

[42:43] gets like hit by lightning when yeah tommy jervis or whatever his name is tries to dig him up

[42:49] yeah now i want now i want to see i think in the in the most recent leprechaun movie uh i think

[42:55] they do it is the same leprechaun as in the first one but yeah you're right there's no like he's not

[43:01] like some kind of a phoenix that keeps rising from the ashes they don't address that it makes sense

[43:06] yeah i want to see the scene i want to see the prologue scene where it's like it's like the

[43:10] beginning of the taken sequel where it's like they killed our leprechaun now we need to get revenge

[43:14] send another leprechaun after them yeah yeah but yeah once he's in space i guess it's all

[43:19] non-canonical at a certain point right they just introduce him being in space like he's like trying

[43:24] to marry the space princess and you don't know how he got there like whether leprechauns are just like

[43:30] across the universe every planet has a leprechaun who knows julie taymor

[43:33] anyway so that was a julie taymor across the universe reference look we're almost there if

[43:42] we can mention titus and fool's fire i think we'll be pretty far along in our in our julie taymor

[43:46] bingo card so there's a scene that doesn't really amount to much where ham and dornan pick mushrooms

[43:53] uh emily blunt's mom goes to the hospital they don't they now they don't take mushrooms that

[43:57] would be an interesting scene that might bring us in a new direction they're just picking mushrooms

[44:01] and then i think is that when they also feed some cows yeah it would also explain their behavior

[44:05] yeah i don't understand you people you never come straight to the point oh well we're high

[44:11] as balls all the time oh we're always tripping like crazy on these shrooms here in the emerald

[44:17] isle oh yes oh well that would explain a lot yeah yeah uh so uh uh mother blunt gets taken to the

[44:25] hospital uh and the waiting room walking tells john ham he can't sell him the farm because he

[44:31] doesn't want to tear uh rosemary and whatever the fuck his name is apart and i'm just like dude you

[44:38] just made this guy fly to ireland and i'm like uh psych but dan his action is clearly motivated by

[44:46] something that happened off camera and is never mentioned so we have we have to assume something

[44:51] powerful the same way that later in the movie he and dornan have a have a have a emotional moment

[44:57] that is again motivated by nothing and it's i guess that is it is something if you try to if

[45:02] you try to untangle the dynamics of this it is mainly about christopher walken being a man with

[45:08] some sort of dementia that causes him to change personality from scene to scene and everybody

[45:11] just dealing with that maybe yeah so blunt is crying in church we cut to her uh her mom is dead

[45:18] a little time passes christopher walken is now older he he needs uh an oxygen tank to breathe

[45:25] he's dying and he's finally saying i will leave the farm to you uh but then he uh he tells his

[45:32] monologue where he's like i never loved your mother i was uh just lonely so i thought you know

[45:39] good enough i'll marry her to not be lonely but uh eventually one day sort of love came on him

[45:47] all in a rush when he was out in the field um you know he starts singing a song that uh she sings

[45:55] the wild mountain time song like it all it all she he realizes that he has come to love her

[46:01] and he goes and he sells the right away of his farm to buy her a real gold wedding ring to replace

[46:08] the uh brass one and uh stewart's snickering but i gotta say this is one of the few times like like

[46:15] this is another one of the scenes that i genuinely found moving i think that part of it is just uh

[46:22] personal like um this is not the same situation like no no i remember when you sold the right

[46:30] of way of your from your farm to buy a ring yeah i was like don't do it dan you're gonna regret it

[46:34] you can i'll lend you the money to buy the ring yeah this is not the same situation walk-ins is a

[46:39] little uh sadder but like you know like uh in my life audrey and i dated i sort of cut things off

[46:47] too quickly because i was like oh you know like i don't know right away how i feel but then we

[46:54] became very close friends and then over time i realized oh wait i've fallen for her and like

[47:01] the idea of this sort of more closed off man like through the course of building this life you know

[47:08] sort of having this come on him in a rush like uh like the the fog of sadness lifting from him

[47:13] like i found this all very kind of um uh moving um so i i i agree with you i think the like i think

[47:22] i appreciate the sentiment yeah uh but there is something it was just it was tough for me to take

[47:27] this scene seriously because christopher walken's line delivery like i feel like his his dialect

[47:33] coach was just watching the whole time

[47:35] be like what the fuck

[47:36] you have to

[47:38] look past his accent

[47:40] to enjoy any part of his

[47:43] performance once you like ignore

[47:45] his accent his acting

[47:47] is you know like Christopher Walken

[47:49] great you know it's like you love

[47:51] to see Christopher Walken

[47:52] this scene in a better

[47:55] movie could have been a very

[47:56] powerful scene for me I appreciate that you

[47:59] connect to it personally now would it make you feel different

[48:01] if the song that that his wife used to sing that he uh started singing the field was hot for teacher

[48:06] would that make it any yes you know i went to tush by zz top okay yeah it could be yeah my wedding

[48:13] song um so oh yeah and before christopher walken uh does pass away he apologizes to his son for

[48:20] threatening to take the farm they have a sort of a reconciliation i mean they were never like

[48:24] really like super at odds but this was obviously like they were never they were almost never at

[48:29] at all they were just kind of bickering but this is the this is the kind of scene that you see a

[48:34] lot of irish dramas where it's the deathbed admission of love where it's like now that

[48:39] i'm dying and i don't have to deal with the shame of you knowing that i love you i can tell you that

[48:42] i love you but then christopher walken kind of dies off screen or he just kind of disappears

[48:46] characters just kind of disappear from this movie yeah when when the film is done with them well

[48:50] that's the wild mountain time you know like time take takes them away uh so this movie would make

[48:57] more sense to me if at the end they revealed that it was a simulation aliens had designed for the

[49:01] last three surviving humans who happened to be from ireland and the aliens only knew what they

[49:06] knew from movies set in ireland and they were like hopefully this make will be comfortable for them

[49:10] we're experimenting with how they deal with these things you know so dornan and blunt have kind of

[49:16] like you know they're they're patented uh emotionally repressed lightly like sort of

[49:23] circling one another romantically very hard to get a patent on that because you have to show

[49:27] that it's something that has at least one element that has never been created before yeah it's uh

[49:32] his hair jamie dornan's hair oh wow i gotta say the um you know there's a tradition of you know

[49:42] great you know tweeds and sweaters and like you know like getting a good quality piece of clothing

[49:49] and like keeping it and mending it and like like that is a bigger thing i feel over in the united

[49:55] kingdom and in ireland uh but it uh all of the people's clothes are too good this movie i know

[50:03] like they're all they're all like beautiful like this is like a catalog of like clothes you would

[50:08] get in ireland and none of them are dirty ever um even though they're they talk about farm there's

[50:13] a part where uh john ham is like just to a to a bystander is like you know i'm not an irish farmer

[50:18] and she goes well your hands don't look like feet and he's like jamie dornan is beautiful yeah he

[50:23] He looks incredible.

[50:24] He looks amazing.

[50:24] And he's the guy who's supposed to be working on the farm.

[50:26] There's a lot of, let's call it, unrealistic appearance in this movie.

[50:31] But again, Dan, we don't need to talk about their appearances.

[50:32] It's inappropriate.

[50:34] And it's not okay.

[50:36] There's this talk that Dornan and Blunt have.

[50:38] And at one point he weirdly was like, what's a man's place in this new world?

[50:43] And I'm like, are you like a men's rights guy?

[50:45] What is this?

[50:46] Yeah, chill out, dude.

[50:47] It really feels like he's trying out monologues to see if any of them attach to the movie.

[50:51] Like, no, that one didn't take.

[50:53] okay cast it aside uh what if i talk about what if i talk about the beauty of the grass okay yeah

[50:58] it seems to be that oh no no the antibodies from the movie are rejecting it again okay let's try

[51:03] another one um so uh rosemary is pretty reasonably like uh why aren't we together already again and

[51:13] dornan has this talk about like dreaming of everyone in the world and like being in the

[51:17] front of a parade and it sounds like the end of like a fellini movie it's it's like a he's

[51:22] describing yeah he's either describing the end of eight and a half or he is ripping off some of the

[51:27] some of the stuff from our town where they it's like it's a it's a very thornton wildry type of

[51:31] speech you know that it doesn't where you're like what do you what like what is this like where did

[51:36] you come from with this he's a that was one of the few moments where i was like oh maybe he is just a

[51:40] weird maybe he's a weirdo like rosemary stop bothering with him yeah yeah they don't they

[51:44] don't see each other that much so it is one of those things that he's probably like been thinking

[51:48] about for a while and this weird conversation then all of a sudden he's like finally a human

[51:53] being i can talk to and he tells us this long story and she's like what i thought we were just

[51:59] like we were just like saying hello this would have been a better movie if every time someone

[52:04] had like a like a little monologue the other person went what so so he tells her maybe she

[52:13] should leave ireland again and i have no idea why but but he leaves and she's like wait maybe i will

[52:22] leave ireland and we see a bunch of crows and uh she puts swan lake on the record player and she

[52:30] dons a a white dress and she does kind of a weird dance around the front of her house she goes into

[52:36] like a swan lake trance and dances at her house and at this point she's not dancing at luganza

[52:40] that's a different thing that's a different play yeah it's a different play it's not that yeah

[52:45] isn't it lunasa i don't know and she's also not she's not dancing at the blue iguana also

[52:51] something very different she's not a blue iguana at all so she's dancing around in this white dress

[52:56] at which point audrey says if she flies i'll fucking lose it oh i would have loved that

[53:01] i mean she does fly in a plane but i would love if she just lifted into the air audrey came around

[53:06] she's like as once we saw the end of the movie she's like no she should have

[53:10] flied and i agree like the once you see the end of this movie you're like okay

[53:14] like there needed to be a lot more like sort of like weird almost magical

[53:21] realism sprinkled in from the beginning to like key you into the tone of what

[53:25] they're trying to do but anyway i mean this this movie is it's weirdly like

[53:29] watching someone like someone is trying to is doing like this irish romantic

[53:35] drama but there's like a jupiter ascending underneath it that's trying to crack out at

[53:40] different moments and it's like oh let that jupiter ascending out like this should be a

[53:44] this should be a weird movie but instead it's not a weird movie yeah so they they fade from like her

[53:49] dancing to swans flying and then an airplane flying and then we've lots of which is how it

[53:54] evolved that's swans evolved into airplanes like just like in 2001 he throws that bone up in the

[53:58] air and it turns into a space station uh do you ever worry that uh that it's actually those things

[54:03] are actually happening concurrently

[54:04] and the bone is going to fly up

[54:05] and hit the space station

[54:06] and knock it out of the sky?

[54:07] Well, no.

[54:08] I don't think that ape

[54:09] can throw it into orbit.

[54:10] Wait a minute.

[54:11] Probably.

[54:12] That bone turns into a space station?

[54:14] Well, not literally.

[54:15] Well, actually, yes.

[54:16] I assume there was a sequence

[54:18] where the bone got longer

[54:19] and longer and longer and bigger

[54:20] until it turned into a space station.

[54:22] But if the swans...

[54:24] I mean, because over time,

[54:25] swans, they lost their feathers

[54:26] and gained co-pilots,

[54:28] and that's how planes were born.

[54:29] Gained co-pilots.

[54:31] They evolved a black box.

[54:32] Yeah, exactly.

[54:33] Well, why didn't they evolve to make the whole plane out of the black box?

[54:35] Anyway, guys, what happens next?

[54:38] Where is she going?

[54:39] She's in New York, hanging with Jon Hamm.

[54:42] It's revealed she's only there for one day, and she asks Hamm to take her to the ballet.

[54:48] And when she's at the ballet, which is, I presume, Swan Lake.

[54:51] I mean, that's enough to see all of New York, right?

[54:54] One day?

[54:55] I mean, all she cares about is this ballet.

[54:57] She's a real six weeks.

[54:59] If you're Dudley Moore and Mary Tyler Moore, that's all you need to see, yeah.

[55:02] And now here this is – so this is – this was the most shameless or should I say Shan-less part of the movie to me because in Moonstruck, there's the scene where Cher is watching the opera and it connects with her and it leads to an epiphany.

[55:14] And here it's like, well, this woman is going to see the ballet and it's going to help lead to an epiphany.

[55:19] And I was like, come on, dude.

[55:20] Like don't redo your old stuff.

[55:23] You know?

[55:24] Anyway.

[55:24] So she imagines herself as a child up on stage dancing with a ballerina.

[55:29] And Ham has a look at her that, like, later on you learn is supposed to be, like, admiring.

[55:36] But I took it as, like, what is with this lady and this ballet?

[55:39] That's kind of what it looked like.

[55:42] It was like he was, like, he was about to ask her if she wanted to leave because it was boring.

[55:46] And then saw she was really caught up in it.

[55:47] It was like, oh, oh, oh, how do I deal with this?

[55:51] How long can she believe that I'm using the bathroom for if I just leave and come back when this is over?

[55:58] So they're lingering over some after-dinner drinks later, and Ham is sort of, like, you know, indicating that he's interested in her, but not, like, overplaying it or anything.

[56:10] And she's, like, talking about the ballet, saying, I'm the white swan in the ballet.

[56:15] And Jon Hamm says, look, you can't let romantic ideals ruin your life.

[56:20] You have to be at least a little realistic.

[56:22] And I'm like, yeah, man.

[56:23] He's sharing his fucking Farmer's Only profile with us.

[56:27] He's basically giving her a similar speech.

[56:31] It's a similar speech to what the hero of Zootopia gets at the beginning,

[56:34] where her parents are like, you just got to settle.

[56:36] Dreams only lead to failure.

[56:38] Well, Emily Blunt in this movie has been chasing this guy all of her life,

[56:48] and it's only brought her misery.

[56:50] Like at this point, Jon Hamm is like, hey, be a little more realistic is a very sensible thing.

[56:55] Oh, no, no.

[56:56] I think it's OK for him to say that guy is not into you.

[56:59] You've got to deal with it.

[57:00] But to then say dreams are for losers and reality is – you've got to lose those dreams.

[57:06] No, no, no.

[57:07] I love the next thing that he says.

[57:09] She says that, you know, have you ever had like a dream – like I have a dream since a kid that I just can't shake.

[57:16] And Jon Hamm says, the kinds of dreams kids have make adults miserable.

[57:20] And I thought, yes, you're right, Jon Hamm.

[57:22] It's a good line.

[57:22] Yeah, it's a good line.

[57:23] It's a good line that my life is a direct rebuttal of.

[57:27] So anyway, because I've achieved so many of the dreams I had when I was a kid.

[57:29] Yeah, if you fucking achieve them.

[57:31] But if you hang on to the sort of, like, kids are not smart enough to know what they want.

[57:39] I mean, that's true.

[57:40] She seems to have fixated on something for her entire life.

[57:43] Anyway.

[57:44] Considering one of my sons wants to be a baby snake.

[57:46] Yeah, I think you're right.

[57:47] Now, would it have been better if after they saw it, she said, I'm the white swan.

[57:51] Me, the white swan, and tried to fly, and she turned into kind of a crazy supervillain type?

[57:57] That would be amazing.

[57:58] Like he sends her to Arkham, then she comes out as the white swan, and she's committing swan-related crimes, of which there are not that many.

[58:04] Guys, real quick.

[58:05] What exact kind of snake does your son want to be a baby of?

[58:11] Now, at this point, we don't know for sure.

[58:13] Some kind of constrictor.

[58:14] Oh, cool.

[58:15] Okay.

[58:16] Yeah, yeah.

[58:16] Yeah, I mean, they're pretty cool.

[58:18] I mean, you could keep them as a pet, theoretically.

[58:20] Unlike a venomous snake, which you shouldn't keep as a pet.

[58:25] Snake or no, when he's 18, he is out of the house.

[58:27] Okay, that makes sense.

[58:28] I will have done my time, my wild mountain time.

[58:30] Continue, Dan.

[58:31] So later on at night, Jon Hamm and she are walking on the waterfront,

[58:38] and he kisses her, and she says,

[58:39] Oh, my God, all the way back to Ireland.

[58:42] You see her on the plane still saying, oh, my God.

[58:45] And you see Dornan in his house and Ham calls him.

[58:51] And based on Jamie's reaction, the message is basically, sorry, you snossed and you lost.

[58:59] I am coming back to Ireland.

[59:01] I am looking for romance.

[59:03] And Jamie Dornan knows just what that means.

[59:06] He says, I've got a little transatlantic booty call going on, so hey, you think Rosemary's up? Because I'm about to get on a plane, so I can tap that.

[59:16] And he goes, please don't talk about her that way. That is inappropriate. And he's like, I'm a straight-talking American, and I say what I'm going to do.

[59:23] I'm going to get on a plane, I'm going to go over there, I'm going to have sex with her, probably ask her to marry me, then I'm going to buy your farm.

[59:28] What are you going to do about it? And he's like, didn't my dad tell you earlier he wouldn't sell you the farm?

[59:32] And he's like, I don't know.

[59:33] I forgot, dude.

[59:33] This movie is so boring.

[59:34] I can't remember what happened to me from one thing.

[59:36] I just had to sit through the ballet.

[59:38] We were walking around.

[59:39] Maybe it was the Hudson Yards part of the city, which it doesn't feel like the real New York City for an old New York hand like me.

[59:46] And Jamie Dornan is like, this seems like we're not talking about the movie anymore.

[59:50] And Jon Hamm is like, I just think the city is changing.

[59:53] That's why I want to go to Ireland, an eternal place.

[59:55] That's always 1947 to 1957.

[59:58] Tiernan Og, yeah.

[1:00:00] Yeah, exactly.

[1:00:02] Now, Tiernanog sounds like a Tolkien bad guy, but is not, right?

[1:00:05] No, it's not.

[1:00:06] No, it's a thing.

[1:00:07] So here's where the movie gets kind of, yeah, again, sort of more magical realism.

[1:00:17] They're both back at home at their places in Ireland.

[1:00:19] It's stormy.

[1:00:21] There's a bunch of crows flying around.

[1:00:23] And it seems like maybe she's calling Anthony telepathically.

[1:00:28] You hear her whispering his name on the soundtrack, and the wind is blowing, and she goes out on a horse across the moors and finds him out metal detecting in a storm, which seems like a really bad idea to have a long metal thing that you were—

[1:00:43] Yeah, just follow the lightning, dude.

[1:00:45] And to be looking for more metal, yeah.

[1:00:47] Yeah, so, and meanwhile—

[1:00:49] And the quickest way to get where you're going is to ride the lightning, honestly.

[1:00:52] Uh-huh, yeah.

[1:00:52] Yeah, and meanwhile, during this whole next sequence, I'm not going to mention every time they cut back to him, but Jon Hamm is on a plane.

[1:00:59] He's reading Irish Farmer, and a lady next to him points out, hey, you don't look like a farmer.

[1:01:04] You look like Jon Hamm.

[1:01:05] Anyway, so that's his deal.

[1:01:09] He wants to marry an Irish lady and be a farmer.

[1:01:11] Now, this is borrowing a Primal card in that they're using his magazine choice to tell us a little bit about him.

[1:01:17] In this case, Irish Farmer magazine, as opposed to Nicholas Gage and Primal, who's reading Real Estate magazine.

[1:01:23] Yeah.

[1:01:24] Yeah.

[1:01:24] So they return to Rosemary's house, and he's doing something with the shutters of the windows.

[1:01:31] I don't quite understand.

[1:01:32] She asked him to close the shutters because there's going to be a storm.

[1:01:35] Okay.

[1:01:36] No, she asked him to open the shutters, and he's confused about why.

[1:01:40] Yes, that was the confusing part.

[1:01:40] I think what it is is that she is kooky.

[1:01:46] Yeah.

[1:01:47] Okay, so the skies open up above him.

[1:01:50] A lot of rain.

[1:01:50] He starts getting rained on.

[1:01:51] He bangs on the door to get let in, and Emily lets him in.

[1:01:55] She's kind of badgering him, like, lightly romantically, humming Swan Lake.

[1:01:59] And she's like, why are you always metal detecting?

[1:02:03] And they have some Guinness while he's stuck there, which is what she wants.

[1:02:08] She wants him, you know, stuck there by the storm so she can finally hash this out.

[1:02:12] He's stuck there long enough that she serves him two Guinnesses.

[1:02:15] And it was like, oh, boy, this is too long a scene if he can have two drinks during it with a fair amount of time in between drinks.

[1:02:21] She makes him a sandwich at one point, too, right?

[1:02:24] Yeah, and she makes him a sandwich.

[1:02:26] Yeah, and there's a fair amount of them talking kind of nonsense about men and women that doesn't really make sense.

[1:02:34] And that's when I started to realize, when they're talking about nonsense about men and women, this movie is to Moonstruck as Deadwood is to John from Cincinnati.

[1:02:42] Where it's kind of like similar parts that have been assembled in a form that doesn't quite work.

[1:02:47] And it made me really want to go back and watch Deadwood again.

[1:02:50] So guys, should we watch Deadwood now?

[1:02:52] Sure, why not?

[1:02:53] So there's like a weird kind of depressing part where Dorian says it's a great day to commit suicide.

[1:02:59] And Emily's like, oh, by the way, I have a loaded shotgun in the closet because I think about killing myself frequently.

[1:03:05] That's a Chekhov shotgun, right?

[1:03:08] It shows up later in the movie?

[1:03:09] I don't think so.

[1:03:11] Anyway, I'm just fucking with you.

[1:03:12] It's a Chekhov's not gun, which is another thing that people talk about,

[1:03:20] where you don't actually see the gun and it never gets used,

[1:03:23] but you know it's there for a moment.

[1:03:25] Yeah.

[1:03:26] And I kind of like this scene, too, because finally they're actually talking.

[1:03:31] There's some emotions bubbling beneath.

[1:03:34] They're still repressed, but the rest of the movie goes too far in the repression

[1:03:38] where I can't see what's going on underneath the surface.

[1:03:41] And here, at least, it's like, okay, I can tell that they're wary of one another, but I can also see what I'm supposed to be thinking about it.

[1:03:49] But Dornan says Ham's coming in town to seek a wife, and he says, maybe someone like you.

[1:03:54] I was thinking I might let him take a look at you, and you're like, what?

[1:03:58] Because he gets really regressive in the gender stuff here for a little bit.

[1:04:03] She asks him whether he's gay, whether that's what's going on.

[1:04:06] She says that a man shouldn't smell like lilies.

[1:04:09] The movie is just spinning out possible things that could happen and then don't happen.

[1:04:14] The movie is trying to get back on track really fast and is really slow.

[1:04:20] Yeah, and she finally is just straight up basically saying, like, why haven't you come for me?

[1:04:25] What's going on?

[1:04:26] I've quit smoking for you because I thought you didn't like smoke.

[1:04:28] I went to New York City and I kissed your cousin or whatever you assume.

[1:04:33] Because I thought you wanted me to kiss your cousin.

[1:04:34] Yep.

[1:04:35] Does that turn you on?

[1:04:37] Is that it, that you like cucking?

[1:04:39] Is that what it is, that you want me to be with your cousin while you watch?

[1:04:42] And he's like, oh, I didn't think I could tell you, but that's what does it for me.

[1:04:45] Please don't judge.

[1:04:46] I can't control it.

[1:04:47] Let's keep all this in, Jordan, please.

[1:04:49] And she's like, okay, I understand you, and I love you so much, and make it work.

[1:04:52] And it's really open-minded.

[1:04:55] No.

[1:04:56] I mean, the movie is very open-minded, but it turns out that his deal is the big twist

[1:05:02] the movie the secret that's been keeping them apart is that uh anthony thinks that he is a

[1:05:10] honeybee you did not just have a stroke yeah or or or fall asleep no i didn't know the movie is

[1:05:20] about a man who believes himself to be a honeybee uh and that is what has been um you know keeping

[1:05:27] our lovers apart for so long and that's when you you go back and you remember all the behavior that

[1:05:32] he was doing that would be that would typify a honeybee like using a metal detector fishing

[1:05:38] speaking english out loud to his human family members drinking guinness uh all the uh wearing

[1:05:45] a raincoat driving a car so you're like oh it all makes sense finally all the clues have fallen

[1:05:50] into place kaiser soze was a bee the whole time so i feel like if this movie had had gone back

[1:05:56] and actually tried to show us some of the clues,

[1:05:59] we would have given it a raft of shit for it.

[1:06:01] Like anytime a movie does like,

[1:06:03] oh, let's flash back to two minutes ago

[1:06:05] when this person did this one thing.

[1:06:06] So the movie doesn't even do that.

[1:06:09] So it feels even more random and strange.

[1:06:11] I'd forgotten a bunch of the shit

[1:06:13] that you guys mentioned before,

[1:06:14] like the pollen and whatever else.

[1:06:16] I love this though.

[1:06:18] Like honestly, only something this dramatic and strange

[1:06:23] would have justified the rest of the movie to me.

[1:06:26] like why they were like and it is a i think it's a very well acted scene on emily blunt's part

[1:06:31] because you know she before this revelation she says i've gamed out every scenario there's nothing

[1:06:37] you can say to me right now that it's gonna like upset me or not make me want you and then he says

[1:06:42] i think i'm a b and you see her like she drives him home now and she's driving and she's kind of

[1:06:49] like talking a mile a minute and she's like you think you're a b you think you're a b and you see

[1:06:53] her processing this but she kind of like ultimately she comes to hey look we all think we're something

[1:06:58] you know it is a message of of acceptance she like you know he's a he's i mean it's also a person

[1:07:05] it's also easy to accept that he thinks he's a beast since like again he never does anything

[1:07:09] be like or in any way he's just kind of like a clumsy guy yeah he he lives in apartment 23 and

[1:07:16] You should not trust him.

[1:07:17] You're right.

[1:07:19] Typical bee.

[1:07:20] Shut it down.

[1:07:22] Best joke of the podcast.

[1:07:24] That was good.

[1:07:24] Took me a while.

[1:07:25] To me, him revealing he was a bee was as if I had sat through the most boring dinner of my life.

[1:07:31] And then the waiter said, and your dessert, and just threw a monkey's paw on the table.

[1:07:35] And I'm like, what?

[1:07:38] What is this?

[1:07:39] Where is this coming from?

[1:07:40] I found it to be an unpleasant surprise.

[1:07:43] No, I thought it was great.

[1:07:44] So she crashes the car into a tree, semi-purposely, it seems, and takes him down to the river, and it's raining again hard, and Emily says she thinks she's a swan, which is, you know, not meant as literally as his bee fixation, I think, but kind of.

[1:08:03] and it turns out like uh so he's been using the metal detector to try and find this ring this

[1:08:10] gold ring that he lost and like that would be i guess the sort of the symbol uh the signal that

[1:08:17] they should be together it turns out that she has the ring she found it by her gate and she says do

[1:08:23] i have to swat at you to get you to sting me which was fun and then they finally kiss he picks her up

[1:08:29] walks her out of the rain toward a patch of light um and uh and she goes i like this exchange she

[1:08:36] goes i'm mad too you know and he goes how and she says you'll find out when it's too late

[1:08:41] which is you know a nice summation of of long-term relationships then they cut forward to their

[1:08:46] wedding night and he's in bed waiting for her and she stabs him to death and you're like not where

[1:08:51] i thought the movie was going but it was too late i guess uh and we briefly cut back to john ham who

[1:08:57] seems to have partnered up uh with the lady he met on the plane or at least there's potential

[1:09:02] and uh and dornan is in the pub now singing wild mountain time and uh he calls his wife up on stage

[1:09:12] to join him in the singing which is the uh i think the third time i cried during the movie

[1:09:16] and his dead parents christopher walken and sorry i'm not laughing at the idea of dan crying i'm

[1:09:22] laughing at the expression on Stuart's face

[1:09:24] on learning that Dan cried three

[1:09:26] times during the movie. I cried three times

[1:09:28] in this movie. I've cried through many movies. I cry

[1:09:30] at a lot of things that I find are beautiful,

[1:09:32] but it was just very funny

[1:09:34] to see Stuart's

[1:09:36] response. No, it's fine. Look, this movie

[1:09:38] is taking some

[1:09:40] very big swings at the end.

[1:09:41] I mean, the fact that, I mean, and they're singing

[1:09:44] and his mom and dad's ghosts

[1:09:46] are in the audience watching, but

[1:09:48] this is... The last shot is them

[1:09:49] standing on a hill in the sun, the hill that

[1:09:52] He carried her up toward, and now they're in the sun, outside of, I guess, the depression that bedevils all Irish people and the end.

[1:10:02] Now, I think it shows that this is one of those things where I think a movie, as we all know, really benefits from what you bring to it.

[1:10:11] And, Dan, I appreciate that it connected with some real feelings that you had.

[1:10:15] And it makes me feel bad then that it left me so cold throughout the entirety.

[1:10:19] And so by the time he said he was a B, I was like, too little, too late movie.

[1:10:22] Don't try to win me back now with some zaniness.

[1:10:25] Come on.

[1:10:26] Don't try to throw that in.

[1:10:27] And maybe it's also that I have a fairly low tolerance for Blarney, it turns out.

[1:10:32] Yeah.

[1:10:32] Whereas, I mean, if it's something that feels like it has some sort of Irish authenticity to it, I like.

[1:10:39] Like the show Dairy Girls, I think it's a really fantastic show.

[1:10:42] And that's a show where I'm like, oh, this feels like it comes from a place that's a real place.

[1:10:46] Whereas this, there's just so much like Irish spring commercial type stuff.

[1:10:50] And I was like, oh, boy.

[1:10:52] I mean, that stuff is the stuff that connected with me least.

[1:10:56] As soon as it got, as soon as the movie like showed me that I think it was supposed to be taken on a more metaphorical level than it seems at first, I got more into it.

[1:11:08] And that's why I think it probably worked better as a play because you can get away with some of that more overt.

[1:11:16] I think it probably worked much better as a play.

[1:11:18] Also, you can get away with a long sequence where characters are talking in circles for no reason.

[1:11:23] And then it ends with the same VO from Christopher Walken where he says, if an Irishman dies while telling a story, you can be sure he'll be back.

[1:11:31] And I'd be like, well, you weren't really telling the story.

[1:11:33] And also, you came back as like a ghost at the moment.

[1:11:37] It's one of those things that's like, is this supposed to be profound?

[1:11:40] Because it's not literal and it makes no sense.

[1:11:42] And there's a lot of the Irish in us type stuff.

[1:11:46] So, okay, let's do final judgments.

[1:11:49] And I will say, look, here it is.

[1:11:52] Here it is, guys.

[1:11:53] It's your favorite movie of 2020.

[1:11:54] You're giving it all the Oscars.

[1:11:55] Look, I can see why not to enjoy this movie.

[1:12:01] And it is a very frustrating movie in terms of, for much of it, people are not behaving

[1:12:08] in ways that seem to make any sort of sense as I know humans to behave.

[1:12:13] But as soon as it made some of its bigger emotional leaps, I started getting on its

[1:12:20] wavelength and I found myself very touched by the ending.

[1:12:24] I would have a hard time recommending it to anyone because I think that your guys' take

[1:12:29] on it is probably the more reasonable one but i think that there's a small subset of the world

[1:12:36] that would find this uh uh enjoyable i you know i'm not giving look two and a half three out of

[1:12:44] five is is even though i was taken with some of it but still i i think i kind of liked it dan

[1:12:52] mccoy dan mccoy it's me it's me the ghost of your great great grandfather seamus mccoy look okay i

[1:12:59] It came from beyond the veil, over a rainbow, to tell you you shouldn't be so ashamed of the things that you like.

[1:13:05] If you like it, then you should just go ahead and say it, even if it's a piece of shite like this movie is.

[1:13:11] So just go ahead and say that you like it.

[1:13:13] You know, we Irish, we got a saying, but we're a funny type of people, we Irish.

[1:13:17] You know, we're just as quick to yell as we are to cry, just as quick to be poets as we are to punch some guy.

[1:13:23] For no reason, just because we feel like punching a guy.

[1:13:25] But, you know, we Irish has a saying.

[1:13:27] And that saying is, when the blarney's in the heather, you got to ride the mist or the green fields.

[1:13:34] And I think you'd be knowing what I'm saying because you're also of the same sort.

[1:13:37] You got the blood of the emerald iron in you.

[1:13:39] You're a real child of Hibernia.

[1:13:45] So, you know, I just want to tell you, Dan, don't be ashamed.

[1:13:47] Don't be ashamed of connecting on a deep ancestral level to what you'll be seeing in this movie.

[1:13:55] Elliot has to assume now that this is how you guys felt the time he showed you Fiddler on the Roof, and you were not really that interested in it.

[1:14:03] And he said, I don't understand.

[1:14:04] And it's because when you see a movie that strikes you at that primal level, like you with this or Stuart with primal, you just feel that sort of that emotional connection.

[1:14:13] And so I got to say, Dan, before the coppers come to get me, because old St. Peter, he told me not to leave anymore.

[1:14:20] And I keep leaving heaven so I can see women dressing in changing rooms.

[1:14:24] and he tells me I'm not allowed to do that.

[1:14:25] Don't do that, yeah.

[1:14:28] There's no real, I guess there's no real place

[1:14:29] for a misogynist ghost in this new modern world anymore.

[1:14:32] No, I guess not now.

[1:14:33] But Dan, Dan, you just shouldn't be ashamed.

[1:14:35] Oh, they're coming to get me now.

[1:14:36] They're coming to take me away, ha ha.

[1:14:38] And so I'll just, I'll see you later

[1:14:40] and I'll haunt you in your dreams

[1:14:42] until you avenge me murderers.

[1:14:43] Goodbye, Dan.

[1:14:44] Okay, well, I'd like to apologize to our Irish listeners

[1:14:47] for that hate crime that was just perpetrated.

[1:14:50] I don't know if I'd call it a hate crime.

[1:14:51] I did like Fiddler on the Roof quite a bit.

[1:14:55] Good save.

[1:14:56] I mean, I will say Fiddler on the Roof is objectively better than Wild Mountain Time.

[1:15:00] No, of course it is.

[1:15:01] So guys, what are your judgments?

[1:15:05] I will say, I would give this movie a bad, bad.

[1:15:08] Just because it was a, it felt like I was constantly trying to hold on to what was going on in this movie

[1:15:15] and couldn't quite grasp it because it was so like wispy and circular and not not it was it

[1:15:21] was so vague to me the whole movie was so vague and i can deal with a with a slow movie or even

[1:15:25] a dull movie but this one it was just like every time my brain tried to hold on to it it would slip

[1:15:30] off the edges you know so uh i would give it a bad bad but hey it's worth seeing just the part

[1:15:35] where he admits that he's a b yeah yeah i mean i i'm gonna go ahead and say i think this is a bad

[1:15:43] bad movie i think it's a little bit too long uh there's i mean i think there's a couple of nice

[1:15:49] lines that i think kind of work in a play but maybe not so well in a movie when it's like

[1:15:55] mushed together with all this stuff that doesn't work um it it's like i don't know i just recently

[1:16:01] got done watching uh that that show normal people which is about uh you know it's kind of a love

[1:16:07] story uh between two irish people and the whole time i'm watching that show i'm like i cannot

[1:16:14] understand this dude's motivation uh and i feel like that carried over into this movie uh i just

[1:16:21] don't understand these dudes motivation yeah i guess i just don't understand this motivation

[1:16:25] no i for me with all your criticisms but i still enjoyed it oh yeah that's fine i mean a lot of it

[1:16:32] for me was just was was tone stuff too like it never it never achieved the tone it needed to

[1:16:36] to get away with some and there's but there are beautiful lines that there's a part where when

[1:16:39] she's when she's trying to figure out what's wrong she says do you ever think do you ever

[1:16:43] wonder what i'm wearing when i'm not wearing as much and i thought that was a beautiful way of

[1:16:47] like of of uh trying to get around trying to be uh like sexual with him without without running

[1:16:54] afoul of the limits in their minds you know but uh there's there it's like every time there's a

[1:17:00] really great line in it it's like a like you're jumping from stone to stone across a river and

[1:17:04] then something and then you'll slip on a really mossy stone and fall in the river and you're like

[1:17:07] damn it that stone didn't work okay that was a particularly irish metaphor i feel like yeah

[1:17:14] that's great yeah yeah oh i just got an email your your travel ban has been lifted oh thank you i can

[1:17:22] finally go to to ireland and and see all the all the pubs that my me ancestors went to uh before

[1:17:28] they left uh russia oh no elliot i just got another email oh no did i get banned again yeah

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[1:26:37] wolf but uh when we were teenagers yeah we're pretending that we're teens watching wolf which

[1:26:44] was the case which was the case i watched it and i'm like uh okay i guess i mean this is kind of

[1:26:50] a weirdly ironically toothless satire of the business world is that the way you described

[1:26:58] it to your parents after you walked out you said for a wolf that was pretty toothless

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[1:27:06] proud we are of that joke yeah uh uh moving on to letters letters from listeners like you

[1:27:15] this one's from youngster lukey awesome uh lukey writes a late happy holidays to you three unless

[1:27:25] you really get into such occasions as national bean day on january 6th or january 12th kiss a

[1:27:31] ginger day in which case i am right on time like many americans my favorite thing to watch during

[1:27:37] the festive season is a charlie brown christmas during my perennial viewing last december i was

[1:27:43] reminded of a time when browsing shopco word to my fellow wisconsinites that i came across a replica

[1:27:49] of the sad twig tree that chuck brings over for christmas uh for the christmas play it was being

[1:27:56] sold for around 20 if i recall correctly and at the time i thought it was really neat but the more i

[1:28:01] thought about it the more it bothered me i'm not upset at the prospect of peanuts merch by any

[1:28:06] means but i was hit with the gross irony that some big business took a symbol of modesty from a

[1:28:10] program that goes out of its way to criticize the commercialization of christmas mass produced it

[1:28:15] slapped a price tag on it threw it in stores and probably made a killing off of it of course i

[1:28:20] realize it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things i'm certain there are plenty of people

[1:28:23] thrilled to have it but it's not something that i've been able to push out of my mind so i wanted

[1:28:28] to ask have you seen any movie or tv merch that has baffled you with its existence whether it

[1:28:34] goes against the message of the creator has little connection to the work or is just plain bizarre

[1:28:39] what's something that made an exec think they could make a buck and proceed to swan dive

[1:28:44] backwards into hell keep on freeing in the flop world youngster luki i think i've talked about

[1:28:49] before i mean this is probably like largely a joke uh product but i've talked about before how i gave

[1:28:56] elliot uh the meat that uh rocky punches in the rocky uh there's an action an action figure of a

[1:29:06] side of beef yeah yeah i didn't give you some i didn't like buy the meat that rocky punched it

[1:29:10] would probably be you bought me some 45 year old rotted meat and i was like great thanks dan

[1:29:16] appreciate it no it's a plastic side of beef this is not also to that point but i just uh wanted to

[1:29:22] give a shout out elliot to when you i guess it was eric like took an r2d2 uh cooler from a 7-11

[1:29:31] like that they're gonna get rid of and that was a used many times in your uh live talk shows i was

[1:29:38] just thinking about the other day i used to do a live talk show in a basement in the comedy theater

[1:29:42] juvie hall run by our old friend eric marcezek and he uh yeah he he's he was at like a uh a

[1:29:49] convenience store in queens and called me and was like they have a they have a r2d2 pepsi cooler

[1:29:54] it's like the size of the real r2d2 they said they'll give it to me for i think it was 30

[1:29:57] and i was like buy it and so and he and and that became my sidekick on the show and then when the

[1:30:04] show ended we made a movie called the death of r2d2 uh where r2d2 dies he dies of cancer very

[1:30:11] sadly and then it ends with eric taking that just dumping it in the garbage and then we made another

[1:30:17] movie where where me and my old friend brock mayhem uh just took i think baseball bats and

[1:30:22] destroyed that thing and then and took out all the lining from it there's all this weird foam

[1:30:27] in it and threw it in the air like it was snow but uh yeah that was a that's unrelated that's a good

[1:30:32] piece of merchandise it makes total sense why you would see a droid in a movie and be like i want

[1:30:36] to drink sodas out of that uh i the thing that first comes to mind for me is something i think

[1:30:42] we might have talked about in the past which is how there was this strange moment in the late

[1:30:46] 80s early 90s when characters from very adult movies were suddenly being merchandised for kids

[1:30:53] and the main one that sticks with me is like how much freddy krueger merchandise there was

[1:30:57] and there was like i knew a kid with a nightmare on elm street lunchbox and like you get a fruity

[1:31:01] freddy krueger talking doll and this is literally merchandise based on a movie about an evil child

[1:31:06] molester who kills kids in their dreams and his face is horribly burned and the idea that it was

[1:31:12] just like yeah slap him on a lunchbox take that to school kids it's a very it's a strange thing

[1:31:17] but maybe the most inexplicable piece of version as i've seen was that picture that went around

[1:31:21] when the force awakens came out of a bag of oranges that just had a picture of bb-8 on it

[1:31:26] it's like so these supposed to be like better oranges because bb-8 gives his approval like

[1:31:32] i was like you know like bb-8's a sphere these oranges are a sphere you know it's a natural fit

[1:31:37] yeah i mean this doesn't completely answer the question but i do love i did love the uh the

[1:31:44] extreme advertising campaign for the movie mordecai how like somebody somebody really

[1:31:50] banked hard on it and it did not work out the uh but as far as as kind of recent merch there was uh

[1:31:57] there was that bit uh when the avengers age of ultron came out one of the toy sets that came out

[1:32:04] featured the quinjet and in the movie the one scene that involves the quinjet and a motorcycle

[1:32:10] hopping out has black widow on it but black widow is nowhere to be seen in the toy set it's like

[1:32:16] captain america or something riding it and it's like you didn't think the internet was gonna flip

[1:32:20] out over this yeah you thought you're gonna get this one by yeah um okay well uh second and last

[1:32:29] letter is a bit of a follow up

[1:32:31] from a previous recent letter

[1:32:33] from Trevor

[1:32:35] still not Noah last name withheld

[1:32:37] who writes

[1:32:38] Trevor keep working at it someday you'll be Trevor Noah

[1:32:41] yeah

[1:32:42] hey again peaches I never thought it would happen to me

[1:32:45] you read my letter my wife and I were

[1:32:47] delighted to hear someone else misquote

[1:32:49] everyone's favorite bad boy feline

[1:32:51] she's certain to continue exclaiming

[1:32:53] bow ma mao

[1:32:55] after this

[1:32:55] as to what we were watching

[1:32:58] uh if you'll recall we were laying bets i'm fairly certain it was raising dion on netflix

[1:33:05] as far as i can remember it features no cats which helps to explain some of my confusion

[1:33:10] i don't really know what made her think of your podcast at that moment thanks again

[1:33:16] trevor still not noah last name yeah yeah thanks trevor bow my mouth so yeah that's a mystery

[1:33:22] solved. Put that in the closed

[1:33:25] case files. Wipe it off

[1:33:27] the wire style big board we got

[1:33:29] up there. Yeah, it's going to turn from

[1:33:31] red marker into black marker

[1:33:33] now that we've

[1:33:34] closed that one. Yeah, finally.

[1:33:37] Oh boy.

[1:33:39] Guys, we got one more segment on the

[1:33:41] show. What's that? Dan, try to pretend

[1:33:43] you're not as tired as the audience is.

[1:33:45] It's been a long

[1:33:47] week, I think, for everyone

[1:33:48] in America.

[1:33:50] We're recording this

[1:33:52] you know not too long after armed insurrectionists tried to fuck up democracy well it's not like you

[1:34:00] work for like a political comedy show or anything no thank god we were off the air i have no idea

[1:34:05] what to say about that yeah um anyway so you just loop in like you just loop in like silly sound

[1:34:12] effects for all the footage i mean that's usually what the daily show does right there was a period

[1:34:17] in daily show history when it when it just would have been speeding up the footage and putting

[1:34:20] yackety sacks on it like oh god okay so let's do recommendations movies uh that maybe you should

[1:34:28] watch instead i would normally maybe not go to bat for uh a huge movie over uh discussing

[1:34:36] a small one depending on what i've watched but i do want to say i don't get all the hate for

[1:34:42] wonder woman 84 i had a really fun time i enjoyed it i thought it was zippy and funny like i think

[1:34:48] people were not prepared for how silly it is uh and but silly does not mean bad i like silly

[1:34:56] sometimes yeah we had wild mountain time well like i feel like with like marvel say the unwritten

[1:35:04] rule is you can get sillier with the smaller properties right and that and that's where

[1:35:09] people will accept the silliness with your ant-mans and your guardians of the galaxy

[1:35:13] so move on over to dc dc already has all these like more like serious minded so they think

[1:35:20] fans and wonder woman is one of the the big dc heroes so like but this was like a throwback to

[1:35:30] you know like richard donner richard lester style superman the two richards and i i really had a

[1:35:38] good time and i thought uh pedro pascal in particular was fun and i liked um how the movie

[1:35:45] hinged on like people were like oh it's got a magic stone shut up it's a comic book movie has

[1:35:50] a magic stone whatever dan dan you're really amping up on this dan's opinions do not speak

[1:35:56] for the entire flat i've not seen the movie i liked the way that like it has this wishing stone

[1:36:01] and the movie's uh apocalyptic plot is that this guy sort of weaponizes everyone's selfishness he

[1:36:08] uses their desire to have their wish come true to create great power for himself destabilize the

[1:36:15] world not too subtle a metaphor for what's going on in the world but i don't care enjoyed it dan

[1:36:22] saying fans of dc movies just like wonder woman urging the people to not wish for more than what

[1:36:30] they have but to be accept their lot in life you're saying this is the wonder woman movie

[1:36:35] you've been given just accept it no no no i like uh funny movies i like silly movies and i like

[1:36:43] movies that have like a little you know taco yeah that's a movie that talks to the time

[1:36:48] the well it's set in 1984 no but it's all i mean the whole thing is about like capitalism and the

[1:36:56] inherent uh selfishness of it and it has this figure you know that is not too hard to read

[1:37:03] trump into uh there's a really good scene elliot where um where wonder woman uh catches two kids

[1:37:10] and falls on the ground and she breaks her fall with the kids and they're like super obviously

[1:37:15] dummies you can find the find the clip i mean but even but the wonder woman she's so strong

[1:37:20] and is she made out of clay in these movies like in the comics or no is she a living statue or

[1:37:25] she's a uh i think she's a i think she's a person okay because in the in the comics she's i guess

[1:37:29] she was turned into a person magically in the comics too but like she could have killed those

[1:37:33] kids by crushing them with her body with her clay body yeah yeah i mean i haven't seen the movie and

[1:37:38] i uh it's not highest on my list if only because at heart i'm a marvel boy hey i'm a marvel zombie

[1:37:46] house of ideas 100 stan lee rest in peace this is for you pal excelsior yeah yeah face front

[1:37:52] uh yeah so i'm gonna go next uh before i go dan did you ever recommend cam uh i think i might have

[1:38:02] but you know well i'll jump over yeah i mean i'll definitely recommend cam i'll recommend two

[1:38:08] movies i'll recommend cam uh it is a horror movie about a young woman who is a uh professional cam

[1:38:15] girl and uh she discovers one day she is very uh ambitious and she discovers one day that she is

[1:38:23] locked out of her account at that somebody who looks just like her is uh camming in her place

[1:38:29] and her kind of life falls apart and it is a horror movie without a lot of obvious scares

[1:38:36] but the whole thing is put together very well it's very tense uh and i thought it was really

[1:38:42] great and it came out a few years ago but i feel like it it feels more relevant now both with like

[1:38:47] the the rise of online sex sex work uh entering the like public uh conversation and also just

[1:38:55] the way that we all feel kind of isolated using our uh using our screens to communicate

[1:39:01] uh i i looked it up i did not recommend cam i saw it uh and enjoyed it but not recommended

[1:39:06] cool i think it's great uh check it out uh i think it's on netflix uh that i guess that'll

[1:39:11] be my only recommendation i'll save my others okay i'm gonna recommend uh-oh stewart and i are in for

[1:39:16] a competition because i'm recommending a movie that's on amazon uh-oh oh no marvel versus dc all

[1:39:23] over again but this time it's for real uh the wait were those marvel wait marvel and dc it wasn't

[1:39:29] really for real right they're all friends in real life i don't i don't know why would i know better

[1:39:34] than you i don't know i thought maybe uh you were you had your finger on the pulse you said it

[1:39:39] earlier uh i'm gonna be a steward said it so i'm gonna recommend a movie that's on amazon right now

[1:39:44] it's called blow the man down it came out in 2019 it's written and directed by bridget savage cole

[1:39:50] and danielle crudy i think it's pronounced and margo martindale's in it and june squibb's in it

[1:39:55] and a bunch of other people and it's about there's this small town in uh what is it maine and these

[1:40:01] two girls who their mother ran a fish store there she has just died and left them with

[1:40:08] seemingly nothing they can't afford the house and the business is not doing well

[1:40:12] and one of them gets into some trouble and now the two of them have to hide a body and that

[1:40:17] kind of leads them into learning more and more about what really kind of goes on in this town

[1:40:25] and makes it function and the kind of compromises that the women in the town have had to make with

[1:40:30] their own morals and certain senses to kind of get by and keep the town going and which the men

[1:40:37] in the town are more or less oblivious to uh and i thought it was really good it moves along at a

[1:40:43] real quick clip and is both super tense and i found it very affecting at the end but also has

[1:40:47] some funny moments and so blow the mandone i recommend it and there's a there's a greek

[1:40:51] chorus of fishermen in it yes singing singing kind of sea songs uh yeah this is a movie where

[1:40:57] it's not uh i wouldn't call it magical realist at all but it kind of gets into a slightly

[1:41:03] stylized sense of reality that i was looking for more of in wild mountain time this is a this is

[1:41:11] a rare episode in which i have actually watched both movies that you guys recommended this is

[1:41:16] amazing yeah okay well that's it we're done go home we did it as tracy allman would say

[1:41:25] she'd say it like this go home go home and she'd be wearing a robe yeah uh so thank you to uh

[1:41:33] jordan cowling our producer thank you to maximumfun.org our network go over to maximumfun.org

[1:41:40] to check out what else they have they got a lot of podcasts over there uh i listen to quite a bit

[1:41:47] of them personally i enjoy them uh you might as well rate review subscribe whatever that thing is

[1:41:54] that people do to make people listen to this thing uh you guys got anything to say why don't

[1:41:59] you check out our uh why don't you check out our upcoming live show it's going to be a lot of fun

[1:42:03] i'm looking forward to doing it i like making you guys laugh and doing silly presentations and

[1:42:07] talking about elliot's favorite movie teen wolf well it certainly was one of the ones in high

[1:42:12] circulation at my house growing up because it was one of my sister's favorite movies that's

[1:42:15] saturday february 6th at 9 p.m eastern 6 p.m pacific teen wolf there'll be more monster talk

[1:42:20] I'm going to be doing a monster-based presentation, so if you want to hear more about monsters, check it out.

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[1:42:28] And until then, hey everybody, let's try to be good to each other.

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