FH Mini #22 - Prequels: What's Their Deal?

Elliott Kalan

[0:00] Hey everybody out there in Flophouse land, my name's Elliot Kalin and I'm here with my

[0:09] best buds and their names are...

[0:11] Ugh, Dan McCoy.

[0:13] Stuart Wellington who is very impressed.

[0:16] That's right, my best buds ugh, Dan McCoy and Stuart Wellington who is very impressed.

[0:20] And we're coming to you not live with the Flophouse.

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[0:32] That's right, I said 6%.

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[0:37] Oh, re-wreck.

[0:38] I put so much brain power into that voice that I couldn't think so.

[0:41] Can I ask, before we get into the...

[0:44] Wait, let me finish the promo for the live show.

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[0:51] Should have starred Michael J. Wolf, but it doesn't.

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[1:18] Saturday, February 6th, 9pm Eastern, 6pm Pacific, Teen Wolf Time.

[1:22] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:23] T-W-T.

[1:23] And I got a hot tip about that website.

[1:26] Don't put the HTTP colon slash slash or HTTPS,

[1:32] because for some reason that screws it all up and you can't get there.

[1:35] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:35] If you're an old person who still puts in the HTTP part...

[1:38] Yeah, stop it.

[1:38] ...and doesn't just type in the www...

[1:40] Stop it.

[1:40] ...just stop doing that.

[1:42] All your web browsers know what you're doing.

[1:45] They understand what's going on.

[1:46] They'll just slap that shit in for you.

Jordan Morris

[1:48] So just put www in.

Stuart Wellington

[1:50] So, Elliot, I did...

[1:52] Real quick, Jordan, can you go back to when I said I was impressed and just scrub that shit out?

Dan McCoy

[1:57] Yeah, I have a few questions about this voice.

[1:59] That's what I wanted to get into.

[2:01] Now, is this...

[2:02] Lay it on me, brother.

[2:03] Is this guy supposed to be sexy, or is it more of just kind of a local radio DJ?

Elliott Kalan

[2:11] Those are the same thing, Dan.

Stuart Wellington

[2:12] Okay.

[2:15] Oh, that's pretty cool.

[2:16] What kind of car does this guy drive?

[2:17] A Camaro.

[2:19] Oh.

[2:19] Oh, wow.

Dan McCoy

[2:20] Now, I assume that's because he finally divorced his wife, and this is his second chapter in his life.

Elliott Kalan

[2:29] The way he tells it, he divorced his wife.

[2:31] The way the law tells it, she divorced him.

[2:35] Oh, wow.

[2:36] You turned into...

[2:36] Anyway, guys, this is only Kaylin.

[2:38] You kind of turned into Robert Evans there at the end.

[2:40] Yeah.

[2:42] I mean, we all do in the end.

[2:43] Yeah.

[2:44] Don't we?

[2:45] In the end, we're all just an old man who produced The Godfather lying in bed trying to pitch movies over the phone for that last final time.

[2:53] He also...

[2:53] I think he had a pool in his backyard, and there was just grass all the way up to the edge of the pool, which seems crazy.

[2:59] I may be misremembering it.

[3:00] I think it's awesome.

[3:01] Yeah.

[3:02] Anyway, guys...

[3:03] It's like an infinity pool, but for grass.

[3:06] Not at all.

[3:07] Not at all.

[3:10] Guys, we're not here to talk about Robert Evans' pool or the pool of the Bob Evans, which I only found out later was not related to the movie producer Robert Evans.

[3:18] I wanted to talk to you today about a subject that's been on the mind of filmgoers for nearly a generation now or more, which is crazy.

[3:26] And that's the prequel.

[3:29] Now, guys, I know what you're thinking.

[3:30] You make a movie.

[3:31] It's a big hit.

[3:32] Then you make a movie that takes place after that movie that continues the adventures of the characters.

[3:37] Incorrect.

[3:37] That's not how we do it anymore.

[3:39] These days, they have what's called prequels.

[3:41] Now, that goes before the original movie.

[3:43] And that's...

[3:44] I just want to make sure everyone knows that's opposed to a squequel, which is purely a chipmunks-based entertainment medium.

[3:50] A threequel, which is when there's the third movie in a series that takes place after but not before, or a NyQuil, which is the snuffy, sneezing, coughing, so you can rest medicine.

[4:01] Right?

Dan McCoy

[4:01] Peter Quill is, of course, Star-Lord.

[4:05] The movie Quills was about the Marquita Sod.

[4:08] That's a Geoffrey Rush starer, as they would say in variety of people.

Stuart Wellington

[4:14] And Peekskill is a city in Westchester.

Elliott Kalan

[4:18] That's right.

[4:18] We've all learned a little something.

[4:19] So I don't want to confuse prequels with all those and with any of those things.

[4:25] But in case people aren't familiar, there's some famous prequels out there.

[4:27] There's episode one, The Phantom Menace, which put this into my head mainly because I just recently watched it with my son on his seventh birthday.

[4:33] He enjoyed it, did not understand the plot.

[4:36] I didn't understand the plot.

[4:37] There were parts of it where it was like, oh, I think I understand what's going on here now.

[4:41] Then you got other hits like Oz the Great and Powerful, Hannibal Rising, and, of course, Prometheus, kind of.

[4:49] Prometheus is kind of a prequel.

Stuart Wellington

[4:51] So after watching The Phantom Menace, does your son just run around the house saying, do-do-do-loot, do-do-do-loot?

Elliott Kalan

[4:57] You know, the duel of the fates?

[4:58] He does love that song.

[4:59] Yeah.

[4:59] He does love the duel of the fates.

[5:01] Yeah, because it's a fucking bop.

[5:03] He did have a lot of questions about who the characters were and what was going on.

[5:06] And I couldn't answer all of them.

[5:08] But I will say on this viewing, and this is not what I mainly wanted to talk to you guys about,

[5:11] I was more into the character of Qui-Gon Jinn, who at the time I first saw the movie back in 1999 when it came out when I was just a young'un,

[5:19] as opposed to the wizened old codger that I am today.

[5:23] I was not impressed by that character, and I thought he was a pretty bland, boring, like, standard, noble character.

[5:30] But watching it again, it came through to me, and a good friend of mine by the name of Dan Brooks is going to take issue with this if he hears this,

[5:37] as he did take issue with me over Twitter when I said it.

[5:39] But he strikes me as this kind of, like, religious zealot Jedi who is so sure of his own personal connection with the Force and what it tells him to do

[5:47] that even Yoda and the other Jedis are like, uh, like, don't take it too far, Qui-Gon.

[5:52] Like, maybe you don't need to go so far with this.

[5:55] Sorry, I like that character some more.

[5:57] But guys, I want to know, what are your feelings about prequels, since there's been so many of them,

[6:01] and the trend seems in no way to abating?

[6:04] I was just looking at the news and saw how they're finally doing that Willy Wonka prequel they've been threatening for so many years,

[6:10] so that we can finally find out how you become a crazy person who owns a candy factory that enslaves people from a mythical country.

[6:18] So, are you into prequels, or are you not into prequels?

[6:22] Or are you prequel curious?

Stuart Wellington

[6:24] Is the Willy Wonka prequel going to talk about how those old people got in the bed?

Elliott Kalan

[6:29] Maybe that's what it's about.

[6:31] Maybe it's not a Willy Wonka prequel, maybe it's a Bucket Grandparents prequel.

[6:34] I'm guessing it's because they're old, Stuart.

Stuart Wellington

[6:37] Yeah, but why are they all in the same one?

[6:39] Or are you, like, talking about, well, that's because they're poor.

Dan McCoy

[6:42] I don't know, like, is it a physical thing that you're, like, you want to see, like, whether they used stairs to get in the bed,

[6:48] or whether they just, like, leapt in originally?

Elliott Kalan

[6:51] I mean, it's certainly something that can get covered in the prequel, right?

Dan McCoy

[6:54] It's a rich text with a lot to explore.

[6:58] I mean, there's the famous, you know, obviously there's the famous Patton Oswalt routine about the prequels

[7:04] that, you know, kind of summarizes the problems with it, where it's like,

Stuart Wellington

[7:11] oh, you know, you like Darth Vader, right?

Dan McCoy

[7:13] Well, what if you see him when he's a little kid?

[7:16] And it's like, well, that doesn't, that's not why we like him.

Elliott Kalan

[7:20] But, Dan, I would counterpoint that with two words.

[7:24] Young Sheldon.

[7:25] Uh-huh.

[7:26] People can't get enough of their favorite characters as kids.

[7:29] Or Little Archie, or a pup named Scooby-Doo, any of those.

[7:32] Muppet babies, perhaps?

[7:34] Sure.

Stuart Wellington

[7:35] Is Young Sheldon the name of that egg with the two legs sticking out in U.S. Acres?

Elliott Kalan

[7:40] It was when he was young, yes.

[7:42] That is Sheldon.

[7:43] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[7:44] Yeah, okay, well, let's put television aside for a moment.

[7:48] I just, there's a story.

Stuart Wellington

[7:50] Sorry, I can't stop talking about U.S. Acres, the cartoon show, Dan.

Dan McCoy

[7:54] It was called Garfield and Friends.

[7:55] U.S. Acres was a portion of a larger sort of combination show.

Elliott Kalan

[8:00] Garfield and Friends was just, was a thin, Garfield and Friends was a thin excuse for a U.S. Acres television show.

[8:07] It was just, everyone knows U.S. Acres was the star.

[8:09] Kids couldn't get enough of Orson the Pig.

[8:11] That dumb duck with the rubber, with the floaty thing around his waist.

[8:17] Those sheep that had no personality.

[8:19] And Sheldon, the lovable egg that didn't finish hatching and was too busy making the women in his life feel like morons because they didn't know what the plank constant was or something.

[8:28] Am I getting my Sheldons mixed up?

Stuart Wellington

[8:30] I think you're probably right, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[8:32] So, no, I bet it's sort of an adage of writing right that you are supposed to get in as late as you can to, like, a scene or a story and leave at the earliest possible moment.

[8:47] That's what I do with parties.

[8:48] The problem with prequels is, like, you know, the original movie works because this is the story they wanted to tell.

[8:54] They figured out the moment of most effectiveness, like, the portion of the story that is worth telling.

[9:02] And the prequel is, like, okay, we got to make a movie that's probably not going to be as good as that because we don't have that same sort of, like, pure impulse.

[9:13] And it also has to end in such a way that it connects up with what we already know.

[9:18] So the story is partially dictated for us.

Elliott Kalan

[9:21] That's a very good point.

[9:22] Counter-argument.

[9:23] Don't you wonder what made Nurse Ratched so mean?

[9:27] Did you guys watch that one?

[9:29] I didn't watch that one yet.

[9:30] I haven't watched it yet.

[9:31] I find, as much as I love the performers involved, I find I have no, I've never needed to know the backstory of Nurse Ratched.

[9:38] And I am insulted by their portraying her in the ads as, like, a Michael Myers-type figure.

[9:44] As if she is, like, a horror monster.

[9:46] Like, an iconic horror monster.

[9:48] Because I've never thought of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as, like, a monster movie.

[9:53] Or, like, Nurse Ratched in that movie is so, like, there are moments in the movie where I'm so sympathetic to her because she is just trying to keep a lid on this place.

[10:02] And a guy who is pretending that he belongs there but doesn't is causing all sorts of trouble.

[10:05] I know I'm not supposed to like her because she's a symbol of a system.

[10:08] But so the idea that it's, like, now you're going to find out why she's so screwed up.

[10:13] And I was like, is she so screwed up?

Stuart Wellington

[10:14] Yeah, how she got so twisted.

[10:15] How she became the Joker.

Elliott Kalan

[10:17] Yeah, she's not Freddy.

[10:18] Like, so how did that guy become the Joker?

Stuart Wellington

[10:21] I think he did a stand-up set and everybody said it was bad and videotaped.

[10:26] Yeah.

[10:27] Yeah, that's right.

Elliott Kalan

[10:27] Now, Dan, you're right because when I finally watched Joker, that was the problem.

[10:32] I didn't like it very much.

[10:34] And then at the end, when he's finally the Joker, I was like, okay, I cannot wait to see him do some Joker stuff.

[10:38] And then the credits started.

[10:39] And I was like, oh, right.

[10:40] I forgot.

[10:41] I forgot.

Dan McCoy

[10:42] They already did the good part of this.

[10:44] So this is the scraps they threw out at the end of the day.

Stuart Wellington

[10:50] Yeah.

[10:50] I mean, I feel like I was really hoping he was going to start delivering, like, packages with bows that say, like, from the Joker to the mayor of Gotham.

[11:00] And the mayor's like, I should open this?

[11:01] And he opens it and explodes or something.

Elliott Kalan

[11:04] Yeah.

[11:04] I mean, that's what happens in Batman things.

Dan McCoy

[11:06] Yeah.

[11:06] I mean, so I looked through a list of prequels and I could find...

[11:12] How many good ones?

[11:13] Yeah.

[11:13] Five ones that I thought were...

[11:15] Wow.

[11:17] ...at least worth something.

Elliott Kalan

[11:20] Okay.

[11:20] Like, people can disagree on their merits, but...

[11:23] And then I have a question for you if this movie is not on the list, but continue.

Dan McCoy

[11:27] And I think that what kind of unites them all is they're not sort of traditionally necessarily what you would think of as prequels.

[11:36] Maybe I would say one of them is.

[11:41] Solo.

[11:43] So there's...

[11:44] Interesting.

[11:45] So I've got Twin Peaks Firewalk with me, which is a prequel to the television show Twin Peaks, so it's a little different.

Elliott Kalan

[11:51] Dan, I'll quote you.

[11:52] You said set aside television.

Dan McCoy

[11:53] So let's set it aside, baby.

[11:55] Okay.

[11:55] Then you've got, of course, Temple of Doom, which has many problematic elements, but it also has many exciting set pieces.

[12:05] You can feel about it however you feel about it, like it or dislike it.

[12:09] But I think it is a prequel with merit, but it works because it is barely a prequel at all.

[12:17] It's just one in a series of Indiana Jones movies.

[12:19] The only reason it's made a prequel is because they're like, oops, well, we made him into...

[12:24] Kind of a nicer guy at the end of Raiders.

[12:27] And we don't want that to be true.

[12:30] So I guess we have to set it before Raiders.

[12:32] But then that doesn't make any sense with Raiders.

[12:34] Because by the time Raiders comes around, he's already seen supernatural shit go down.

[12:39] So he shouldn't be so like, wait a minute.

[12:42] The Ark actually has power?

[12:44] Religious items have power?

Elliott Kalan

[12:46] How many times did Scully have to get knocked in the head by an alien before she was like, you know what?

[12:51] I think there might be aliens around here.

[12:52] And that was a huge problem with the show.

[12:56] Now, I was wondering if you were going to mention Temple of Doom since I think many people don't even know it's supposed to take place before the other ones.

[13:04] Like you could watch those movies and think they happen in order because he's in the first movie.

[13:09] He has this amazing arc.

[13:10] Second movie in between, you have to assume he got hit on the head with a coconut in one of his adventures.

[13:15] And then third arc, of course he would be irritable and distracted because he's with his dad.

[13:19] And there's nothing more irritating and distracting than having to go on a trip with your dad that's not to a Civil War site.

[13:25] Because when you go to a Civil War site with your dad, you have a thing to talk about.

[13:28] The Civil War.

[13:29] And you don't have to talk about anything else in your life.

[13:31] And it really helps to make the weekend go by.

Stuart Wellington

[13:34] That's why some people get into sports, I've heard.

[13:38] Oh.

[13:40] Yeah.

[13:40] The thing about Temple of Doom is, you can correct me if I'm wrong,

[13:44] but there's a scene where Indiana Jones encounters a snake and he's like,

[13:49] a snake, I've never seen one of these before.

[13:51] I do not like it.

[13:52] And that's why he doesn't like snakes in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[13:55] No, that's...

[13:56] Well, that's actually in The Last Crusade, you see that.

[13:59] Wait.

[14:00] Oh.

[14:01] When he's a kid.

[14:02] You know what?

[14:03] I can't believe I just plagiarized a joke from a movie.

Elliott Kalan

[14:07] Well, here's the thing, though.

[14:08] There's this scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where he shoots the swordsman.

[14:11] And then in Temple of Doom, he goes for his gun and it's not there.

[14:15] And it's like, are you supposed to believe that in Raiders of the Lost Ark,

[14:18] he went, well, this didn't work last time, but I'll check and see if I have my gun on me.

[14:21] I do.

[14:22] Hey, it was a good idea.

[14:24] No, I think you're supposed to believe...

Dan McCoy

[14:25] I mean, obviously, it's just a callback to the film that happened later chronologically,

[14:31] but earlier in actual release.

[14:34] But I think you're supposed to think, if anything, that in between times he was like,

[14:39] oh, I won't make that mistake again.

[14:41] I'll always have my gun with me.

Elliott Kalan

[14:44] Because I like to think as he's watching the swordsman, he's thinking in his head,

[14:46] he's like, okay, gun, I'm going to reach for you.

[14:49] You better be there.

[14:50] You have let me down a number of times in the past when you have not been there.

[14:54] That's partly on me.

[14:56] Yes, because you're an inanimate object and it's kind of on me to keep you strapped to my thigh.

[14:59] But that's also on you.

[15:01] Because you know what?

[15:02] When there were only one set of footprints, it was me carrying you.

[15:05] Because you're a gun and you don't have feet.

[15:06] So let's see if you're their gun.

[15:08] Unless his gun is Megatron.

[15:10] Yeah, Megatron does have feet.

[15:11] So it could be the giant set of footprints behind him.

[15:15] Megatron sometimes carries people.

[15:16] So Dan, what other prequels would you say are good quels?

Dan McCoy

[15:19] Okay, so...

Elliott Kalan

[15:20] Besides pre-Larsen, it's short for prequel Larsen.

Dan McCoy

[15:24] So this is going to be another sort of controversial one, but one that...

Elliott Kalan

[15:30] Wait, Dan, you're going to say pre-Fontaine.

[15:32] That is not a prequel to the movie Fontaine.

Dan McCoy

[15:35] The biography of Joan Fontaine?

[15:38] Exactly.

[15:39] So this is another controversial one.

Stuart Wellington

[15:41] Should I buckle my seatbelt?

[15:43] Prometheus, I like.

Dan McCoy

[15:44] But that, again, not a typical prequel.

[15:48] Like the stuff that is a direct prequel to Alien is easily the weakest stuff in the movie, I think.

Elliott Kalan

[15:55] It does very much feel like a movie that is intending at the top to not be a prequel to Alien.

[16:01] And then at some point during the process, the ghost of Alien possessed it and was like,

[16:04] No, you're my prequel now.

[16:06] And kind of tried to force it into being a prequel.

[16:08] Like if you've ever had like a...

[16:11] Like it's like you have two plugs that need to go together, but you don't have the socket to connect them.

[16:16] And you have to go out and buy one of those plug-to-plug just where things where it's two sockets on either end.

[16:22] A coupler. Yeah.

[16:22] Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

[16:24] That's like that's what Prometheus turns into.

[16:25] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[16:25] Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's a chance I've already talked about this, but when I saw Prometheus in the theater,

[16:32] I saw it at the Battery Park Theater on a matinee.

[16:35] That was my favorite matinee theater in all of New York.

[16:38] It was great.

[16:39] It was always empty during the day, during the week.

[16:41] Oh, man.

[16:42] I miss it.

[16:42] I miss going to the movies.

[16:44] What's going on with this world?

[16:45] But I was watching...

[16:47] I remember being kind of bummed because I went in hoping it like with my brain set on I'm watching a prequel.

[16:56] And I didn't like it as much.

[16:59] And then when I ended up revisiting it, I don't know, because somebody said I should watch the like a different version.

[17:05] I don't know.

[17:06] Watch the DVD or Blu-ray.

[17:08] And watching it a second time, revisiting it, I liked it much more.

[17:12] I feel like all I had to do was have that brain shift and be like, oh, I'm not watching just an alien prequel.

[17:21] I'm watching this weird movie where two aliens have sex at the end.

Dan McCoy

[17:25] Yeah.

[17:26] Okay.

[17:26] So, and all of these, again, I'm sort of grading on the curve of prequels not being that good in the first place.

Elliott Kalan

[17:33] That's the trouble with the curve.

Dan McCoy

[17:34] Yeah.

[17:35] But I also have...

[17:36] I've got Monsters University on here, which I like.

[17:40] Don't think it's...

Elliott Kalan

[17:40] I have to say, I saw that in the theaters and I did not like it.

[17:43] I watched it again recently with my family and I liked it a lot more.

[17:47] Actually, it really worked for me the second time.

Dan McCoy

[17:49] Yeah.

[17:49] And I think that's the closest thing to a traditional prequel I have on this list because it is very much like, how did these two characters meet and become friends?

[17:57] But I think it works again by being not a traditional prequel in that it sort of just takes the characters and like, okay, they're in this other movie before.

[18:06] Now we're just going to put them into a college comedy.

[18:10] You know, like they just switch genres on the film to some degree.

[18:16] Now, and the other one I have here, only half a prequel.

[18:23] Of course, Godfather 2.

[18:25] But that, again, it doesn't feel like...

[18:29] It's on lists of prequels, but it doesn't feel like one to me because half of it is a prequel.

[18:35] Half of it is a continuation of the story of the Godfather.

[18:40] We call that a sequel.

[18:41] Yes.

[18:42] It's a prequel sequel.

[18:43] And the whole point is to, you know, draw parallels between stuff that happened in the past and stuff that's going on in the present of that movie.

Elliott Kalan

[18:55] So it sounds to me like you're...

[18:57] What I'm getting from you is you don't love prequels that much from all these non-traditional prequel choices.

[19:03] So here's my question.

[19:04] What is a movie you would like to see a prequel for?

[19:08] What movie have you watched where you're like, you know what would be more interesting to me?

[19:10] How these characters got together.

[19:13] Hmm.

[19:14] Oh, wow.

[19:15] Oh, man.

[19:16] Because I'll tell you what.

[19:17] I have a serious answer to this and a joke answer.

Stuart Wellington

[19:21] Okay.

[19:22] I want to hear one of them, but don't tell me which it is.

Elliott Kalan

[19:25] Okay.

[19:25] No, I'll tell you.

[19:26] So my serious answer is I would actually love to see a...

[19:30] I wish they had made a Thin Man prequel where we could see how Nick and Nora Charles met.

[19:35] Because I think to see them kind of discovering in each other that they have a worthy kind of like partner slash verbal opponent would be very exciting to me.

[19:43] My joke answer is twins.

[19:45] And you finally get to see the experiment where they're just assembling the team of guys who are going to, I guess, all contribute some sperm to make a perfect man.

[19:53] And you see them discarding, it ends with them discarding the baby Danny DeVito, which means that it's a prequel to Batman Returns, which opens with a baby Danny DeVito being discarded.

[20:03] Alternately, you could combine those movies into The Twin Man, which is about twin detectives who are married to the same woman, which I could also call Dead Ringer's P.I.

[20:12] So having bought that time for you guys, what prequel would you like to see?

Jordan Morris

[20:18] Welcome back to Fireside Chat on KMAX.

[20:21] With me in studio to take your calls is the dopest duo on the West Coast, Oliver Wong and Morgan Rhodes.

[20:28] Go ahead, caller.

[20:29] Hey, I'm looking for a music podcast that's insightful and thoughtful, but like also helps me discover artists and albums that I've never heard of.

Elliott Kalan

[20:37] Yeah, man, sounds like you need to listen to Heat Rocks every week.

Jordan Morris

[20:39] Myself and I'm Morgan Rhodes and my co-host here, Oliver Wong, talk to influential guests about a canonical album that has changed their lives.

Dan McCoy

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Jordan Morris

[20:54] Yo, what's that show called again?

Dan McCoy

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Jordan Morris

[21:03] Hey, thanks for coming.

[21:05] Thank you.

[21:05] Thanks.

[21:06] These are real podcast listeners, not actors.

[21:09] We took the identifying marks off this podcast.

[21:12] Just tell me your impressions.

[21:15] It's really sexy.

[21:16] My first thought is like Radiolab?

[21:18] Definitely something popular.

[21:20] Yeah, really popular.

[21:21] A hit show.

[21:22] But funny too.

[21:24] Like, does Tina Fey have a podcast?

[21:26] Or the Marx Brothers?

[21:27] Yeah, is this podcast Radiolab, but hosted by the Marx Brothers?

[21:31] And sexy, like Sade.

[21:33] It reminds me of Sade.

Dan McCoy

[21:34] Exactly.

[21:35] Exactly.

[21:36] And they're all riding in a BMW.

Jordan Morris

[21:38] Close, but not quite.

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[21:53] What?

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[21:56] Oh.

[21:58] Wow, it was Jordan Jesse Go.

[21:59] Jordan Jesse Go?

[22:00] Hold on.

[22:01] Whoa.

[22:05] Whoa.

[22:05] Oh my goodness.

[22:06] That was 514 J.D. Power & Associates podcasting awards.

[22:11] That was really scary.

[22:13] But compelling.

S5

[22:14] I guess I should definitely subscribe to Jordan Jesse Go.

[22:17] Um, yeah.

Jordan Morris

[22:18] I'd say so.

[22:21] Jordan Jesse Go.

[22:23] A real podcast.

Dan McCoy

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[24:23] Oh, you really messed up that one.

[24:25] Thanks.

[24:25] Thanks, imaginary Elliot.

[24:27] And now back to the show.

Stuart Wellington

[24:30] I'm going to go back and answer your previous question because I didn't get a chance on prequels I actually like.

[24:36] And I'm going to ruffle Dan's feathers here.

[24:39] So maybe we'll get Hollywood horror monster Nurse Ratched in there to sedate Dan so he doesn't flip out.

[24:46] Because I'm going to talk about TV.

[24:48] That's right.

[24:49] I'm going to talk about Better Call Saul because I think Better Call Saul is a prequel that works.

[24:53] Part of what makes it work is that they have all these great flashbacks where Bob Odenkirk is supposed to be playing like a 20-year-old version of himself.

[25:00] And he just combs his hair forward and it's so awesome.

Elliott Kalan

[25:03] It's like Mank, the TV show.

[25:05] But it's...

[25:06] Mank, he's...

[25:07] Did you guys watch Mank or no?

[25:09] I have not watched Mank yet.

[25:10] Oh, because the single funniest moment in all of movie going from a movie watching for me of 2020.

[25:16] This makes it the funniest movie of 2020 is watching my wife's reaction when at one point Gary Oldman says, I'm 44 years old.

[25:24] And she went, what?

[25:25] Because he's a man in his mid-60s who's playing this character.

Stuart Wellington

[25:30] My funniest movie moment in 2020 had to be a line in Inception when Robert Pattinson explains the stakes of the movie.

[25:40] He's like, and if this happens, the entire universe will be destroyed.

[25:45] And Elizabeth Debicki looks at the sky and goes, including my son.

[25:51] What movie is that in?

[25:53] That's in Tenet.

[25:54] My mistake.

[25:55] Did I say Inception?

[25:56] You did.

[25:57] I was like, I didn't even remember that Robert Pattinson was in Inception.

Dan McCoy

[26:00] It was alarming and confusing.

[26:01] I thought I phased into a parallel dimension.

Stuart Wellington

[26:06] That would be pretty weird though, right?

[26:08] I must have Incepted myself.

Elliott Kalan

[26:10] What a disappointing Mandela effect that would be.

[26:13] I slipped into a parallel dimension where Inception and Tenet just had different names.

Dan McCoy

[26:17] Again, Better Call Saul is like a different kind of prequel.

[26:22] They're like, okay, here's a side character, an interesting side character.

[26:26] We haven't told his story yet, really.

[26:28] So let's go back and see what his deal is.

[26:32] It's more of like, yeah, it's in that spinoff vein of a Frasier, even though that's going forward in time.

[26:38] It's just like, okay, well, this is a character people seem to like.

[26:41] What's his deal?

Stuart Wellington

[26:43] Wouldn't it be weird if Frasier was going backward in time like in Tenet?

[26:46] Or Merlin?

Elliott Kalan

[26:48] It's like Time's Arrow.

[26:50] There's a homunculus in Frasier's head that is experiencing Frasier's life backwards.

Stuart Wellington

[26:55] Oh, wow.

[26:57] Yeah, I mean.

Elliott Kalan

[26:58] Spoiler alert for the Martin Amis novel, Time's Arrow.

Stuart Wellington

[27:01] I feel like, I think you're right.

[27:04] I mean, I feel like Better Call Saul also, you know, still falls into the various traps of prequels where there's a ton of moments that feel like they're thrown in there just because you're a fan of the original work.

[27:15] And you're like, oh, this guy's important because I know he's important.

[27:19] Although they don't do a ton of stuff where they're like, this guy's going to be important.

[27:24] So we have the prophecy of why, you know, Slip and Jimmy is going to become Saul Goodman or something.

Dan McCoy

[27:30] Well, that's the thing.

[27:30] Like, I love that show.

[27:32] I love all of it.

[27:34] But I get much more frustrated with sort of the drug plot side of the show because I'm just like, if this was a show on its own that didn't have to link to Breaking Bad, this wouldn't be here.

[27:45] Like, this is the stuff that doesn't feel.

Elliott Kalan

[27:47] Well, that's like, I have that just, I mentioned Solo earlier, like, the things I like in Solo are the things that are not Star Wars reliant.

[27:56] And like, if that movie didn't have to service Star Wars stuff, it would probably be like a stronger, more fun movie.

[28:01] If it didn't have to explain how the nickname Chewie came from the name Chewbacca as if, like, that needed an origin, you know?

Dan McCoy

[28:09] I want to tell you guys about the, so, Elliot, I don't have a good answer for your question.

[28:15] My joke answer was going to be like, I wonder if there's a, if we can make a prequel to Dawn of the Dead, some sort of Night of the Living Dead.

[28:23] But anyway, I want to talk about the weirdest prequel that I've seen.

[28:30] I showed it recently for a bad movie online viewing thing I do with friends.

[28:35] Cruel Intentions 2.

[28:38] Now, this was, this has an interesting provenance.

[28:44] They were going to make a TV show, a spinoff of Cruel Intentions, a prequel TV show called Manchester Prep.

[28:54] And this was going to be on Fox.

[28:56] And it didn't get picked up after the pilot.

[28:59] So, Roger Cumble did the old Mulholland Drive and turned the unused pilot into a movie.

[29:08] To similar results, right?

[29:10] Well, I mean, oddly, one of the things that was...

Elliott Kalan

[29:13] It also won it, it won it can.

[29:16] Cruel Intentions 2 did win it can.

Dan McCoy

[29:18] And, well, like a gratuitous lesbian nude scene was slipped into the movie once it became a movie.

[29:29] So there are...

Elliott Kalan

[29:29] I like, like you saying slipped in makes me imagine that.

[29:33] The movie was screening at a theater and a guy, a shifty guy in a trench coat just kind of like sidled up to the screen and then it's kind of like threw something onto it.

Dan McCoy

[29:40] Well, I mean, it is one of the funniest things about Cruel Intentions 2 is like most of it plays like this, what it is, like a bad 90s pilot for a Fox TV show.

[29:50] And then they will throw in like a few scenes that are so ridiculously more sleazy than the rest of the movie that you're like, okay, well, this was the thing that was added.

[30:00] Like, there's like...

[30:01] I mean, clearly in certain cases if it's like stuff that they couldn't get away.

[30:04] But it's like the tone shifts so radically and because it is like a prequel, they have to end...

[30:12] Like, it's one of these sequel slash prequels where it's just like they've just remixed the actual elements from the original story.

[30:20] Like, up to a certain point, Cruel Intentions 2 is just Cruel Intentions done beat for beat.

[30:26] And then at the end they have a weird sleazy twist so that he can be in the same place where he is at the beginning of the movie, Cruel Intentions.

[30:37] I forgot to mention Amy Adams is in it.

[30:39] A very young Amy Adams.

Elliott Kalan

[30:41] So...

[30:42] Okay, I don't know why that was necessary to mention.

Dan McCoy

[30:43] Because it's so weird to see this...

[30:46] Anyway, you know, it's fun to see...

[30:48] He's painting a picture, Elliot.

[30:49] It's fun to see great actors in their early roles.

[30:52] Oh, okay.

Elliott Kalan

[30:54] I'm going to say...

[30:55] Look, we've all seen...

[30:55] Look, every Jake Gyllenhaal has his bubble boy.

[30:59] You know, everyone's got to start somewhere.

[31:01] Although I guess he started with City Slickers.

[31:04] Who was...

[31:04] Was he...

[31:05] Was he Jack Palance?

[31:06] He was.

[31:07] Jake Gyllenhaal, he was in the makeup chair as a kid for 10 hours every day to look like...

[31:11] He's Billy Crystal's son in City Slickers.

[31:14] He's in like one scene.

Stuart Wellington

[31:15] Okay.

[31:16] I'm going to...

[31:17] I just thought of something, but...

[31:19] What about Ginger Snaps 3?

[31:21] I thought that was...

[31:21] That's a prequel, right?

[31:22] It takes place in ye olden times, and I remember liking it.

Elliott Kalan

[31:25] I like that movie.

[31:26] It's kind of a prequel.

[31:27] It's like not the same...

[31:29] It's not like here are the same characters.

[31:30] It's like here's the same actors in a similar dynamic in the 18th century.

[31:35] Yeah.

[31:36] I guess you're right.

[31:38] I think this is partly because I saw on Twitter there was a little bit of commenting.

[31:41] This is also partly put into my head about the concept that After Hours is a prequel to Home Alone, because John Hurd and Catherine O'Hara, who play the parents in Home Alone, are both in After Hours.

[31:52] And that maybe this is how they met in downtown Manhattan.

[31:55] And then they settled down and had all their kids and forgot their son.

[31:59] And I was like, oh, I love the idea of these movies being connected somehow, because it's also such a stunning indictment of the people who are part of that scene, who have since sold out and become...

[32:10] You know, just live in a big house in Chicago, whoever it is.

[32:13] Yeah, a wealthy suburb over there.

[32:14] You know, that's...

[32:14] And are so obsessed with their flights to Paris that they forget their own son.

[32:19] Also, we watched Home Alone recently, and it was the first time I think that my son had ever seen a movie where the word ass was used.

[32:24] And he was like, what?

[32:28] He's like, what is this word?

Stuart Wellington

[32:30] Yeah, pupils dilate full Requiem for a Dream montage style.

Elliott Kalan

[32:36] But guys, so I wanted to pitch another prequel idea to you.

[32:39] Obviously, you guys loved my twins prequel, which is called Paran Island.

[32:45] And you loved my mashup, The Twin Man, about twin detectives married to the same woman who solved crimes.

[32:52] I was thinking, what if we revived the Look Who's Talking series with a prequel called Look Who's Not Talking Yet, which is about the adult cast members.

[33:03] When they were children, they're not old enough to have children, but when they were kids.

[33:07] So we see how they got to the place that they ended up.

[33:10] Now, obviously, Kirstie Alley and John Travolta, they don't know each other when the movie Look Who's Talking starts.

[33:15] So there's going to have to be some way to explain how they don't know each other at the end of the movie.

[33:20] How do we do it?

[33:20] How do we thread that needle?

Stuart Wellington

[33:24] Well, one of...

[33:25] Wait.

[33:26] Okay.

[33:27] Memory wipe.

[33:30] Yep.

[33:30] Maconauts.

Dan McCoy

[33:31] Those droids get wiped.

[33:34] That's the thing.

Stuart Wellington

[33:36] They were at his wedding.

[33:37] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[33:39] Now, Elliot...

[33:40] I mean, they...

[33:40] Look who...

[33:41] I mean, that's...

[33:42] There's memory wipes and there's rudeness.

[33:44] And not remembering when you're one of two guests at a very private wedding.

Dan McCoy

[33:48] Look who's not talking yet.

[33:50] Now, the question I have about this is, so are the Travolta and Kirstie Alley babies not talking in the movie?

[33:58] They're not babies.

Elliott Kalan

[34:00] No, they're kids.

[34:01] They can talk.

[34:01] They're kids.

[34:02] But their children can't talk because they're not born yet.

[34:04] Okay.

[34:04] Because they're in the future.

[34:06] Okay.

[34:06] So here's another idea.

Dan McCoy

[34:07] Why do you have to go all the way back to when they're kids?

[34:10] Can't it just be the adult characters before they meet?

[34:14] Yeah, like moments before.

[34:16] Although, I mean, Kirstie Alley...

[34:17] Yeah, I mean, like, I guess Travolta's not the dad.

[34:19] But it's...

[34:20] He's just the...

Elliott Kalan

[34:21] It's the other guy.

[34:22] No, but...

[34:22] Okay, so fine.

[34:23] We'll have Kirstie Alley and John Travolta in makeup to become...

[34:26] To look like kids.

[34:28] Because we've got to get those star names in there.

Stuart Wellington

[34:31] I mean, I feel like Kirstie Alley...

[34:32] I guess her name is on Twitter a lot lately.

[34:36] Yeah.

[34:36] But not for necessarily good reasons.

[34:37] She might be a problem casting choice.

Elliott Kalan

[34:39] Well, then, you know what?

[34:40] Then forget, forget.

[34:41] Look who's not talking yet.

[34:42] Do you guys remember the movie?

[34:43] I think it was called...

[34:44] Did You Hear About the Morgans?

[34:46] What if we had a prequel that showed you what happened to the Morgans?

Dan McCoy

[34:48] I gotta get a prequel.

[34:52] How about this one?

[34:53] Oh, wow.

[34:54] You ready?

[34:54] It's gonna be a hot one.

[34:55] Good news, Mom.

[34:56] The babysitter's alive.

[34:58] How about that?

Elliott Kalan

[35:02] Now, that's what I'm...

[35:03] Yeah, that's a great...

[35:04] And again, you'd have to kind of ease over the fact that this is the second time they're

[35:08] hiring the babysitter and she died.

[35:09] Maybe she was in a horrible accident and that's why they don't recognize her.

[35:13] But that's the kind of thing I'm looking for.

[35:15] Yeah, yeah.

[35:15] Is that kind of where we can take an old piece of IP and really revitalize it by going

[35:20] back in time and seeing what it was like before.

Stuart Wellington

[35:23] And you'll have to get all the characters back.

[35:25] So like Josh Charles will be in there for some reason.

[35:28] Yeah, David Duchovny.

[35:30] Yeah.

[35:31] Oh, yeah.

[35:31] David Duchovny was in there.

[35:32] Man, he was cool.

[35:34] Man.

Dan McCoy

[35:35] Are we gonna digitally de-age them like the Irishman?

[35:38] I don't...

[35:38] That's the part I'm not sure about the...

Stuart Wellington

[35:41] To gain...

[35:42] I mean, as I said, I think if you just brush their hair forward...

Elliott Kalan

[35:46] Yeah, Saul style.

[35:48] Better call Saul style.

[35:50] Like you could do a prequel to like the Ten Commandments that's just called Eight Commandments

[35:55] and it's about God figuring out what those last two commandments are gonna be.

Stuart Wellington

[35:58] And what I like about it is that you're also leaving the door open for a sequel to the

[36:02] prequel, Nine Commandments.

Elliott Kalan

[36:05] Yeah, exactly.

Dan McCoy

[36:06] We could do a Cleo from three to five.

[36:10] Really dig into what happened earlier in that day.

Elliott Kalan

[36:14] Mm-hmm.

[36:15] Mm-hmm.

[36:16] You could have the Fast and Furious prequel.

[36:19] Could be faster.

[36:20] The movie.

[36:21] Mm-hmm.

[36:22] Let's pick it up next time.

Stuart Wellington

[36:24] Yeah.

[36:24] You could do the prequel to January Man, December Man.

Elliott Kalan

[36:29] It's called December of the previous year, man.

Stuart Wellington

[36:32] You gotta clarify.

[36:33] Thank you.

[36:34] Yeah, yeah.

[36:34] Yeah, my idea was stupid.

[36:35] Thanks for fixing it.

Elliott Kalan

[36:37] No, no, yeah.

[36:37] There's the prequel to Kindergarten Cop, Preschool Cop.

[36:42] In the prequel to Cop and a Half, just one cop.

Dan McCoy

[36:46] Hold on.

[36:46] I don't think just because it's a prequel to Kindergarten Cop, he has to go to an earlier

[36:52] school.

[36:53] So how is it a prequel, Dan, if it's not?

[36:56] How is it a prequel if he doesn't?

[36:57] He would be younger.

[36:58] And maybe he...

Stuart Wellington

[37:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[37:01] Yeah, that prequel to Stop Her, My Mom Will Shoot, Stop Her, My Mommy Will Shoot.

[37:07] Because he's all...

Elliott Kalan

[37:08] It's called Stop On My Mommy Will Shoot.

[37:12] It's in a baby voice.

[37:13] Yeah.

[37:15] Okay.

[37:16] Yeah.

[37:16] Then, of course, there's, you know, the prequel to...

[37:20] Oh, boy.

[37:22] What are some other movies that exist that have titles?

Dan McCoy

[37:25] Most of them.

Elliott Kalan

[37:27] I don't think there's...

[37:28] There's a prequel to King Kong, Prince Kong, which is about how Prince Kong Game of Thrones

[37:32] did his way to the top.

Dan McCoy

[37:33] Is there a white album of movies, you know?

Elliott Kalan

[37:38] How...

[37:39] I don't understand what you're asking.

Dan McCoy

[37:41] If a movie has no title in the forest, will anyone go see it?

[37:46] No, is there a title to this movie?

[37:48] Is there a...

[37:48] Is there a movie whose title is A Void rather than...

[37:54] I mean, there's a movie called...

[37:55] Not Into The Void, but...

Elliott Kalan

[37:56] I mean, there's a movie called The Last Movie.

[37:58] And you can make a prequel to that called Still Got One More Movie Left In Me.

[38:01] Okay.

[38:02] Mm-hmm.

[38:02] The penultimate movie.

[38:06] You could do...

[38:08] Let's see.

[38:08] I guess the prequel to Hot Dog, the movie, would be Ground Up Pig Anus, the movie.

[38:15] And it's before they put it in the tube.

[38:17] Yeah.

[38:17] Put casings on it.

[38:19] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[38:21] That's the tagline, actually.

[38:22] Did you ever wonder what happened before the casings?

Stuart Wellington

[38:27] Here's how the sausage really gets made.

[38:29] Uh-huh.

[38:30] Did you guys suggest this one, the prequel to Nine and a Half Weeks?

[38:36] Nine weeks.

Elliott Kalan

[38:39] Yeah, they just really added that last half a week for the movie.

[38:43] You guys say that one yet?

[38:44] There's the prequel to The Nicolas Cage Through Eight Millimeter, which is called Seven Millimeter.

[38:48] Oh, wow.

[38:50] Yeah.

[38:51] You know the...

[38:52] Yeah, Dan?

Dan McCoy

[38:53] Oh, I was just gonna say that the writer of Hot Dog, the movie, went on to be the director

[38:59] of Hamburger, the motion picture.

Elliott Kalan

[39:03] I mean, he's stuck with what he knows.

[39:05] Yeah.

[39:05] That seems like a pretty clear career progression.

[39:07] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[39:08] Although, I mean, it's weird...

Elliott Kalan

[39:09] And then he ended up running Taco the series, right?

[39:12] Yep.

[39:12] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[39:14] Yeah.

[39:15] Yeah, he was involved in the Meatballs series, too.

[39:18] Yeah, yeah.

[39:19] And the pizza concept album.

[39:21] Sure.

Dan McCoy

[39:24] Is that where you just put a pizza on the turntable and put the needle down?

[39:29] Yeah.

[39:29] That's the concept.

Elliott Kalan

[39:31] It was real John Cage type stuff.

[39:33] Very avant-garde.

[39:34] Yeah.

[39:34] The concept is you're going to ruin your turntable.

[39:36] And then, of course, he went on to work with Meatloaf.

[39:39] A real person whose name sounds like food.

Stuart Wellington

[39:41] Was a pizza on a turntable, was that something Gremlins did or Sixteen Candles did?

Dan McCoy

[39:46] Well, when a pizza's on a turntable, you can eat pizza anytime, so...

[39:50] Oh, I guess you're right.

Elliott Kalan

[39:54] That's what the old ad said.

[39:56] That's what the old adage says.

[39:57] Yeah.

[39:59] So, guys, I feel like we've really answered a lot of questions about prequels tonight.

[40:03] Uh-huh.

[40:04] Correct it.

Stuart Wellington

[40:05] I feel like prequels are a big part of movie discourse, and I think we finally closed the

[40:10] book on them.

[40:10] I think we gave the definitive answer that everybody's been looking for.

Elliott Kalan

[40:14] Until we look at the previous book, and we have the prequel to this discussion.

[40:20] Oh, okay.

[40:21] I like it.

[40:22] Mm-hmm.

[40:23] Now, someone on Twitter, they once asked me, they said, have they ever made a prequel to

[40:30] a movie that didn't exist yet?

[40:32] Which is just a movie.

[40:34] And I feel like that's how distorted the conversation has gotten, is that now the kind of assumption

[40:38] that you can have a prequel to anything is troubling.

Dan McCoy

[40:42] We kind of, every one of our episodes ends sort of with a prequel, like our regular full

[40:48] episodes when there's an outtake from the beginning of the show up in the end.

Stuart Wellington

[40:53] Oh, weird.

[40:54] I feel like Guy Ritchie's, what is it, Rock-A-Rolla felt a little bit like a prequel to a Guy

[41:01] Ritchie movie that hasn't been made yet.

Elliott Kalan

[41:03] Hmm.

[41:04] Fair.

[41:05] It's not an adaptation of the Judas Priest album of the same name?

Stuart Wellington

[41:07] I don't think so, but I'd have to look at the liner notes.

[41:11] Of the movie?

[41:12] No, in the sense that like the movie felt like, it felt like I was supposed to know these

[41:16] characters and it felt like the whole time it was building up to something that you never

[41:20] really get to.

[41:22] So the whole thing just felt like a, like one setup.

Elliott Kalan

[41:25] Oh, you didn't see that.

[41:27] Okay.

[41:27] So you didn't see the director's cut, which ends with those characters.

[41:30] It's revealed that they're the characters from the Big Chill.

Stuart Wellington

[41:33] Oh, interesting.

Elliott Kalan

[41:34] Mm-hmm.

[41:35] It's a prequel to the, Rock-A-Rolla is a prequel to the Big Chill.

[41:37] Yeah.

[41:37] Okay.

[41:38] That makes sense.

[41:39] Which itself is a prequel to the 2016 election of Donald Trump, who, because you've got to

[41:45] assume a lot of the people in the Big Chill would have gone on to vote for him as their

[41:48] minds were destroyed by social media.

Stuart Wellington

[41:50] The Big Chill is a movie, the Big Chill is a, my parents had the movie poster for the

[41:56] Big Chill in my basement.

[41:57] And I looked at that poster basically every day growing up.

[42:02] Yeah.

[42:02] And I've never seen that movie.

Dan McCoy

[42:04] I mean, it's just boomer nonsense.

[42:07] It's fun enough because there's like good actors in it, but it's one of those movies that

[42:11] like, I liked better as a kid, which is weird because it's like all about people who are

[42:18] old and have, you know, like been disillusioned in their life coming back together.

[42:23] But now I associate it so much with like that generation that like dominated movies for so

[42:30] much.

[42:31] And, you know, guys, what will be our Big Chill?

[42:33] The one that like everyone younger than us is annoyed that it's just like navel gazing

[42:39] a bunch of people hanging out.

Elliott Kalan

[42:40] I mean, well, we had, we, we, we had our Big Chill.

[42:42] Unfortunately, it was Chill Factor with Cuba Goody Jr. and Skeet Aldrich.

[42:45] Yeah.

[42:45] But, you know, where they had to keep that, that explosive cold or it, or it, so he gets

[42:49] an ice cream man.

Stuart Wellington

[42:50] I feel like, I feel like the generation like immediately preceding us, it was something

[42:54] like Beautiful Girls or some shit.

Elliott Kalan

[42:57] Yeah.

[42:58] Or like Reality Bites.

[42:59] Yeah.

[43:00] Like that was the, that was right before us.

[43:01] And the one for us is probably going to be Avengers Endgame.

[43:07] Yeah.

[43:07] Like that's probably our generation's Big Chill.

Stuart Wellington

[43:12] Dan's racking his brain.

[43:13] He's like, what, what movie speaks to our culture the best?

[43:17] And it's Avengers Endgame, obviously.

Elliott Kalan

[43:19] It's gotta be Avengers Endgame, because that moment when everybody comes back and they're

[43:22] like, I'm with you, Cap.

[43:23] That, that really spoke to me as a, as a, what's our generation?

[43:27] Like older millennials?

Dan McCoy

[43:28] Uh, you're an older millennial.

[43:30] I'm a younger Xer, so.

Elliott Kalan

[43:33] Uh, and I'm on, I'm on the cusp, baby.

[43:36] Yeah.

[43:36] Stuart is Racer X, who secretly speeds brother.

[43:39] Uh, well, guys, I think we've talked out prequels well enough.

[43:43] I think this is a good question for our audience.

[43:45] What do you think is the Big Chill of now?

[43:48] What's the movie where it's a bunch of people who are approaching middle age, just kind of

[43:52] yammering on about their own selfish garbage, uh, just until they're tired of it, you know?

[43:58] Uh, in a house together, mourning Kevin Costner.

[44:01] So, guys, what's the, what's the modern version of that?

[44:04] Let us know.

[44:05] Talk to us on Twitter.

[44:06] And if you'd like to see us talk about Teen Wolf, which will be somewhat more organized

[44:09] than this discussion, just join us Saturday, February 6th at 9 p.m.

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[44:36] And we're going to have all new presentations.

[44:38] We're going to be answering audience questions.

[44:40] And again, we're going to be talking about the big chill of our generation, Teen Wolf.

[44:44] The movie that, that perhaps branded itself more on American pop culture than any other

[44:49] film about a basketball playing werewolf.

[44:52] Prove me wrong, Dan.

[44:53] Prove me there is a more dominant film about a basketball playing werewolf.

[44:56] I don't think there has been one.

[44:58] Do you guys have anything else you want to say before we say goodbye to our gentle listeners?

[45:01] No, let's just do it.

[45:02] Okay.

[45:03] For The Flophouse, I have been Elliot Kalin.

[45:05] I've been Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[45:07] Hey, it's me, Stuart Wellington.

[45:09] Welcome to The Flophouse.

Elliott Kalan

[45:11] No, God.

[45:12] No, Stuart.

[45:12] No, no.

[45:13] He's doing a prequel.

[45:13] He's trapped in a prequel.

[45:14] Oh, no.

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FH Mini #22 - Prequels: What's Their Deal?

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