Scream 7

Dan McCoy

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Scream 7.

Stuart Wellington

[0:04] Do you like scary movies?

[0:07] Because I'm kind of getting sick of them by now.

[0:30] Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse.

Dan McCoy

[0:36] I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:37] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:38] I'm Elliot Kalin.

[0:40] Dan McCoy, what do we do on this podcast with you, me, and Stuart Wellington?

Dan McCoy

[0:44] Oh, what don't we do?

[0:45] A lot of things.

[0:46] Don't start with what we don't do.

[0:48] That'll take a long time.

[0:49] Mostly we watch movies.

[0:51] And ooh, what are those spooky sounds in the distance?

[0:55] The chains rattling and the ghouls howling.

[0:58] I think Dan's losing it.

[1:01] Yeah, the spiders crawling.

[1:04] Must be Shocktober time.

[1:06] The ghouls are gobbling.

[1:07] And the goblins are gobbling.

[1:09] Even though, peek behind the curtain, we're working ahead of time, so it's mid-September.

[1:13] We're actually recording this in, some would say, early September.

[1:15] It's not quite scary just yet, but it is.

[1:18] Ooh, in this podcast.

[1:19] Ooh, Shocktober.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21] Look outside.

[1:22] The leaves are starting to turn.

[1:23] The air is getting chillier, except here in Los Angeles, where we have a record heat wave for September going on.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29] Yes, but the Flophouse.

[1:31] It's probably cool, right?

[1:32] It's probably a good thing.

[1:34] No, it's a very bad thing.

[1:35] The planet's probably okay, right?

[1:37] Yeah, yeah.

[1:37] The planet is doing great.

[1:38] Has anyone checked on that?

Elliott Kalan

[1:40] Is anyone paying attention to the planet right now?

Dan McCoy

[1:43] We should do a wellness check.

Elliott Kalan

[1:44] There used to be a captain who was in charge of the planet, but unfortunately, Doge fired him.

[1:50] Yeah, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:51] Yeah.

[1:52] Yeah, I took his job.

[1:54] Yeah.

[1:54] To back up a bit, this is a podcast.

[1:55] And all the reins.

[1:56] Where we watch a movie that was either a critical or a commercial flop, and then we talk about it.

[2:03] And in October, of course, we focus on scary movies.

[2:09] Not the scary movies series, just horror films.

Stuart Wellington

[2:12] Although there will be moments where while talking about this movie, we will probably make the same joke they did in a scary movie.

[2:20] Possibly, possibly.

[2:21] Possibly.

Elliott Kalan

[2:21] We did have the opportunity to do the new scary movie for this podcast, but we rejected that opportunity as unpleasant.

Dan McCoy

[2:29] We had the opportunity to do a lot of things.

[2:31] We sure do.

[2:33] What other opportunities do we not take, Dan?

[2:36] I haven't murdered anyone just yet.

Stuart Wellington

[2:38] There are times when selecting movies for this podcast feel like selecting which hammer we want to smash our wiener with.

Dan McCoy

[2:48] And we chose the less painful hammer.

[2:51] And this October, we get to smash our wiener three times.

[2:54] Three smashes on the wiener.

[2:56] Two of them sequels.

[2:56] That is the name of my Giallo movie.

Elliott Kalan

[2:59] Three smashes on the wiener.

[3:04] I can already see the scene where someone wearing leather gloves picks up the hammer.

Dan McCoy

[3:09] So this is, of course, we're talking about Scream 7, the seventh Scream film.

[3:15] Thank you for clarifying that.

[3:18] He fucking saved it.

[3:19] Coming in, you lost.

[3:20] Possibly you heard in the intro, depending on which one we chose, after Scream 6 and then Scream, which is, of course, technically Scream 5.

Elliott Kalan

[3:29] It goes Scream 2, Scream 3, Scream 4, Scream, Scream 6, and Scream 7.

[3:34] Because I guess Kevin Williamson and the number 5 are still beefing.

Stuart Wellington

[3:37] Yeah.

[3:38] And it's like, but Scream 5, I mean Scream is just Scream 5, right?

[3:43] Thank you.

[3:43] It's not like a reboot, really.

[3:46] No, it's not a reboot.

Dan McCoy

[3:46] No, it is in the parlance of our times a legacy sequel because it is a half reboot.

[3:53] It's introducing new characters, but it brings back old characters.

[3:56] You know what they used to call that?

[3:57] It's still in the same continuity.

Elliott Kalan

[3:58] You know what they used to call legacy sequels?

[4:00] Sequels.

[4:01] Oh.

[4:02] Somebody woke up granddad over here.

[4:06] The new generation.

[4:07] Back to bed.

[4:08] Because you know what?

[4:08] After it.

[4:09] You know what?

[4:09] It's the new generation in the title, though.

[4:11] That would be.

[4:11] Introducing new characters while also continuing old characters.

[4:15] The Planet of the Apes movies did that in the 1970s.

[4:18] So, yeah.

[4:18] Yeah.

[4:19] So put that in your pipe and smoke it, young people.

Stuart Wellington

[4:22] Why are you smoking a pipe, young people?

[4:24] Put that in your vape and smoke it.

[4:25] Well, it's kind of like crystal meth or something in it.

Dan McCoy

[4:27] Yeah, probably.

[4:28] But there are two kind of-

[4:29] To escape the pain of life, yeah.

[4:30] Mm-hmm.

[4:30] Two kind of rebooty sequels.

[4:34] And then someone said something that the studio didn't like about maybe not killing people.

[4:43] Mm-hmm.

[4:43] And they went back to the old.

[4:45] Carefully dancing around the subject of genocide.

[4:49] I'm not dancing around it.

[4:50] I just don't want to dwell on it on this comedy podcast.

Elliott Kalan

[4:53] You don't want to get into the Gaza issue on this podcast?

[4:56] What's not funny about that?

Dan McCoy

[4:59] Yeah.

[4:59] On today of all days.

Elliott Kalan

[5:01] I think we're-

[5:02] Exactly.

[5:03] Oh, yes.

Dan McCoy

[5:03] Some perfectly reasonable political reviews were made an example of by the studio.

[5:09] I think-

[5:09] No, no, no.

Elliott Kalan

[5:10] No.

[5:11] I think the Flapos would like to firmly position its side on the anti-slaughter, anti-slaughtering

[5:16] side of the ledger.

[5:18] Mm-hmm.

[5:18] And then we can move on from that.

[5:20] I mean, I have my own issues with Scream 6 that we don't need to get into right now.

[5:24] Sure.

Dan McCoy

[5:24] Sure.

[5:24] But I remember-

[5:25] Every time you mention it, people write in and they're like, Dan-

[5:27] What's the story about that?

[5:28] What's the story?

[5:29] I'm like, I cannot say.

[5:30] No, can't say.

[5:31] I've been advised not to say it.

[5:32] I both can't say and I don't know fully.

Stuart Wellington

[5:35] And me being a little bit of a stinker likes to bring it up on air.

[5:39] You sure do.

[5:40] You sure do.

[5:41] So we have, can we talk about the series real quick?

[5:45] Let's do it.

[5:46] Let's talk about the series.

[5:47] Or the first scream movie-

[5:48] Or the first scream movie.

Elliott Kalan

[5:48] Or the scream sickles, as I call them.

Stuart Wellington

[5:50] Yeah.

[5:50] The first scream or just scream is, I mean, it's a classic.

[5:56] It is a certified banger.

[5:58] It is a-

Stuart Wellington

[5:58] It effectively-

[6:00] It deserves the hype.

[6:00] It deserves the praise it gets.

[6:01] Yeah.

[6:02] And it, like, in a way, I mean, if anything, it popularized the, like, genre of meta horror for good or ill.

[6:11] But it's-

[6:11] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[6:12] It's genuinely great.

[6:14] Sort of rebooted the slasher as a form within horror, something that had been kind of, all the juice had been squeezed out of it for a while.

[6:23] And then they're like, oh, but, you know, what about a squeeze juice at this way?

Elliott Kalan

[6:26] There's more.

[6:26] Oh, there's more.

[6:26] Well, that's, I've said, I've had this conversation a couple times over the past week with colleagues of mine.

[6:31] It is like every 10 years, Hollywood, five to 10 years, Hollywood remembers that horror is always successful and always popular.

[6:40] It's like every five to 10 years, there's a horror movie that's a big success and Hollywood goes, hey, people are into being scared.

[6:45] People want to be scared for fun.

[6:47] It's like, no shit, dude, just keep pumping out horror movies.

[6:49] They never stop being successful.

[6:50] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[6:51] Coupled with the fact that horror fans are kind of like heavy metal fans in that they show up.

[6:56] They want to see everything.

[6:57] Like they're committed to their shit.

Dan McCoy

[6:58] Yeah.

[6:59] I think that oftentimes whoever makes the decision mistakes like a certain, like getting tired with a certain strain of horror with like, well, horror doesn't work.

[7:09] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[7:09] People don't want found footage movies anymore.

[7:11] I guess they don't like being scared.

[7:12] No.

[7:12] Exactly.

[7:13] People always want to be scared.

[7:14] And it's the same way.

[7:15] I've had trouble pitching comedy horror projects and they're always like comedy and horror.

[7:20] I don't know.

[7:20] And I'm like, well, it's been consistently successful for like 150 years.

[7:25] Like, so I don't know what to tell you.

Stuart Wellington

[7:26] People don't like to laugh and be scared of the same time.

[7:28] I don't understand.

Dan McCoy

[7:29] There's no relation between those two things and how they operate at all.

Elliott Kalan

[7:34] It's not like something I talk about in the book, Joke Farming.

[7:37] Yeah.

[7:37] How they operate on the same mechanical principles and the same emotional directions.

Stuart Wellington

[7:40] Where can I find this book, Joke Farming, you say?

[7:43] Bookstores everywhere.

Elliott Kalan

[7:44] Local bookshops.

[7:46] Perfect.

[7:46] Yes.

[7:46] Ask them to order it if they don't have it in stock.

[7:49] It's from the University of Chicago Press.

[7:50] The audio book is also, of course, available as read by me.

[7:53] But I will say this about the Scream movies.

[7:55] The Scream movies did a thing.

[7:56] The first Scream movie does something which I think is really great.

[8:00] There had been meta horror movies before.

[8:01] There was Wes Craven's New Nightmare.

[8:03] There was stuff like that.

[8:04] But what Scream did really well was the idea of people's actions being influenced by the movies that they've seen.

[8:10] Not that the characters know that they are in a movie,

[8:13] but that they are living out the fantasies or the rules from a movie that they've ingested.

[8:18] And that is where this movie tips over into the other balance.

[8:22] The characters seem to be aware that they're in a movie, which is too far.

Dan McCoy

[8:26] Well, they seem to have seen Scream 1 and like,

[8:31] let's reenact certain beats and scenes from that movie.

Stuart Wellington

[8:34] And we have, so Scream 1, classic.

[8:37] Scream 2, I think it's still pretty good.

[8:39] It's all right.

[8:39] It helps that it has, it has,

[8:40] it helps when you have Laurie Metcalf and Timothy Olyphant in your movie.

[8:46] Sure.

[8:46] They're going to be fun.

Elliott Kalan

[8:47] Scream 3.

[8:48] The calf and an elephant, the perfect animals to have in your movie.

Stuart Wellington

[8:51] Yeah.

[8:51] The thing about Scream 3 is that I like that it kind of leans into the like giallo elements of it.

[8:57] And I like that it has Courtney Cox's crazy bangs.

[9:02] Her bangs are so bonkers in this movie.

[9:04] It's worth watching.

[9:06] Scream 2 has Parker Posey.

[9:07] And Parker Posey, my mistake.

[9:09] Where she plays what, the movie version?

Elliott Kalan

[9:12] She plays the part of Courtney Cox's bangs.

[9:14] Yeah.

[9:14] She was in the makeup chair for over 17 hours to play those bangs.

[9:18] I remember.

[9:19] And then they used Hobbit style computer camera tricks to make her look really little.

[9:23] So it looked like she could sit on Courtney Cox's forehead.

[9:26] That's Hobbit style.

[9:27] Do I have my fries Hobbit style, please?

[9:31] Do you remember the Wendy's?

[9:32] You remember that Korean song Hobbit style that was really popular for a while?

[9:36] Mm-hmm.

Stuart Wellington

[9:37] I mean, Gollum style sounds closer to Gangnam style.

[9:41] That's true.

[9:41] It does.

[9:41] That's a good point.

Elliott Kalan

[9:42] And he is like a way better dancer.

[9:43] That's true.

[9:44] But you don't want your fries Gollum style.

[9:45] You don't want that.

Stuart Wellington

[9:46] They're what?

[9:47] Wet and wriggling?

[9:48] Wet and full of fish scales.

[9:49] Yeah.

[9:50] The Scream 4, I don't really remember that well.

[9:54] But I remember it being kind of weak.

Dan McCoy

[9:55] But I like all of the original sort of line of Scream movies.

[10:03] They're all, all the sequels are, you know, weaker than the first.

[10:07] But I like them all to a greater luxury.

Stuart Wellington

[10:09] I thought 5 had some juice.

[10:11] I liked 5 well enough.

[10:13] I think again.

Dan McCoy

[10:14] I liked it fine.

[10:15] If you're going to reboot things, I liked it fine.

[10:17] But then I was not keen on the next one.

[10:19] Yeah.

[10:19] 6 is garbage.

[10:22] Yeah.

[10:23] And then we come to 7, the one we're talking about today.

[10:26] Is it going to be good?

[10:27] Let's find out.

[10:28] Let's find out.

[10:29] Not only shall we bring back Neve Campbell playing Sidney Prescott, but we will also bring

[10:35] back Kevin Williamson who wrote 1, 2, and 4.

[10:40] And he's the writer-director of this one.

[10:43] And of course, you know, known for his direction.

[10:45] Of course, his previous movie, Teaching Mrs. Tingle, set the world aflame.

[10:49] We all recall his other directorial.

[10:54] That's his only other directorial?

[10:55] Yeah, that's the only other one.

Elliott Kalan

[10:57] Every 27 years, he directs a movie.

Dan McCoy

[10:59] Yeah.

[11:00] I was briefly under the misapprehension that he did.

[11:03] I know what he did last summer, but he just wrote that.

Elliott Kalan

[11:05] No, he just wrote that.

[11:06] I mean, he's an incredibly successful screenwriter.

[11:09] He's a very successful writer.

Dan McCoy

[11:10] He did Dawson's Creek on television as well.

[11:13] Yeah.

[11:14] He didn't write the Dawson's Creek movie.

Stuart Wellington

[11:17] Is there one?

[11:18] No, I just made that up.

[11:19] I don't think there was.

[11:20] It's kind of fan fiction.

[11:20] Vampire Diaries, that's him, you know?

[11:22] He wrote The Faculty.

[11:24] Wait, he wrote The Faculty?

[11:26] That's good.

[11:27] Wait, he wrote Vampire Diaries?

[11:29] Well, the TV show.

[11:30] That was one of the greatest compliments I ever received was when Charlene was teaching

[11:35] her friend's daughter how to party safely, which is a thing that she offers to a very select

[11:42] few teenagers to protect them.

[11:44] And this teenager was like, pointed at me and was like, you look like someone from The Vampire

[11:49] Diaries.

[11:50] And she was trying to remember who it was.

[11:51] I'm like, you don't have to remember who they are.

[11:53] I'm assuming they are hot.

[11:54] And that's nice enough.

[11:56] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[11:56] She's like, no, the ugly guy.

Stuart Wellington

[11:57] The real ugly, weird guy.

[11:59] There is no ugly, weird guy on the CW show.

Dan McCoy

[12:02] Those don't exist.

[12:03] No, that's true.

[12:04] Some way about sexy supernatural creatures?

[12:06] No.

Elliott Kalan

[12:06] The weird, ugly guy on the CW show is the hot guy who wears glasses.

[12:10] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[12:11] So let's get into the movie because like all screen pictures, there's going to be a lot

[12:17] of red herrings and ins and outs.

[12:19] So we start off in Woodsboro.

[12:22] We go back to Woodsboro, a town from the first movie where Stab, fan, Scott, and his girlfriend,

[12:28] Madison, visit the house of Stu Mocker, who was played by Matthew Littleard.

Stuart Wellington

[12:32] Movie opens with them listening to a podcast, always a bad sign.

[12:36] Yes.

[12:36] Yeah.

[12:37] Podcasts have no place in popular culture.

Elliott Kalan

[12:40] Has there been any good movie that involves someone listening to a podcast at some point?

Dan McCoy

[12:49] I can't think of one offhand.

[12:51] Okay.

[12:52] That doesn't mean they don't exist, but they certainly have not lodged in the old noggin.

[12:57] No, I guess so.

Elliott Kalan

[12:58] So anyway, they're listening to a podcast.

[13:00] They're true crime fans.

[13:01] Are they going to stay the night at the Stu Mocker house?

Dan McCoy

[13:05] Yeah, they're going to the Stu Mocker house.

[13:06] It's been turned into sort of a combo Airbnb and murder museum.

[13:11] True crime experience.

[13:12] Uh-huh.

Elliott Kalan

[13:12] This is something that maybe it's just an exaggeration.

[13:15] It's meant to be like a satirical exaggeration.

[13:17] Right off the bat, I was like, I don't know about this, guys.

[13:21] Like for all the true crime fans in the world, like it's very rare that a house where a murder

[13:27] took place, multiple murders, gets turned into like kind of a theme park.

[13:31] Where there's like photos on the wall and there's like body outlines like.

[13:36] It's turning the mirror around on the audience, buddy.

Dan McCoy

[13:38] I guess so.

[13:39] Because you know the screen movies are not based on reality, right?

[13:40] Maybe this game isn't so funny after all.

[13:42] I guess so.

[13:45] There we hear kind of in passing, there's rumors that Stu might have survived having a television

[13:50] dropped on his head.

[13:51] Of course, Stu survived.

[13:52] I'm sitting right next to you.

[13:54] Oh, okay.

Elliott Kalan

[13:55] You had a television dropped on your head, Stu?

[13:57] Yeah, every day.

Stuart Wellington

[13:59] What it feels like watching movies for this podcast.

[14:02] Am I right?

[14:03] Uh-huh.

Elliott Kalan

[14:03] So for the listeners at home, watching movies feels like either getting a TV dropped on

[14:10] your head or getting hit in the dick with a hammer.

[14:12] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[14:13] Either one.

[14:14] Draw them up, fan art.

Elliott Kalan

[14:16] Uh, don't.

[14:17] I want you to draw Stuart with some kind of Rube Goldberg contraption machine that involves

[14:22] him watching a bad movie as a TV hits him on the head and a hammer hits him in the dick.

[14:26] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[14:27] Uh, there's some murder house shenanigans.

[14:29] There's a bit where the renter calls up with horror trivia like Ghostface to add to the

[14:34] stab experience.

[14:35] We get some unscary fake scares involving a-

Elliott Kalan

[14:39] There's so many fake outs in this sequence.

[14:41] Yeah.

[14:42] It really, it's like they had a quota they had to use up or else they weren't going to

[14:45] get any more fake outs for the rest of the movie.

Dan McCoy

[14:48] We get both a motion activated Ghostface robot and, uh, Scott pretending to be the killer

[14:53] to his girlfriend.

[14:54] Uh, before, of course, real new Ghostface kills them both and burns down the house.

[14:59] Now, is there a reason for any of this once you reach the end of the film and look back

[15:03] over the plot?

[15:03] No.

[15:04] No, not at all.

[15:05] It's just there so we can have a scream cold open.

[15:07] Every scream has to have one of these things.

Elliott Kalan

[15:09] And I understand that you want to kill right off the bat.

[15:12] You want to set up the level of meta that the movie is dealing with, you know?

[15:16] But also, this is one of those things where it's like, so was he just waiting in the house

[15:20] in costume all this time for just the right moment?

[15:24] In case?

[15:24] It's, it's, it's not quite as silly as, but it's almost silly as in Kingdom of the Crystal

[15:28] Skull, the Indiana Jones movie, when those, I guess, ancient Incas or whatever they are,

[15:33] the ancient Mayans just start coming out of the walls.

[15:36] And I'm like, have you been waiting there for hundreds of years?

Dan McCoy

[15:39] That bothered me so much.

[15:41] Like, you're just like, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[15:43] Is this what you do all day?

[15:45] Is you just sitting there in a wall looking like a sculpture in case someone walks by?

[15:49] Yes.

[15:50] How often are you needed?

[15:51] Mm-hmm.

[15:52] So.

[15:53] But yeah, there's no reason, it turns out at the end, there's no reason for Ghostface

[15:56] to kill these guys.

[15:56] And let's just practice, you know?

[15:57] Keeping the knife sharp, metaphorically and literally, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[16:00] There is a, there is a moment where Ghostface just takes the knife and like pretty easily

[16:06] just pushes it through a guy's skull.

[16:09] Yeah.

[16:09] And I'm like, that's crazy.

[16:11] Like, he doesn't have enough fucking leverage to do that.

[16:13] Now, maybe the knife was vibrating super fast.

[16:16] Maybe he has a baby skull.

[16:16] Yes, it's a vibro blade.

[16:19] I forgot about that.

Elliott Kalan

[16:20] He has a medical thing.

[16:21] It's called Butterface, which means that your head has the consistency of butter.

[16:25] Yeah, yeah.

[16:26] It's related to Salone's disease, which we've talked about on the podcast before.

Dan McCoy

[16:30] He's a butter sculpture from the state fair that came to life in sort of a hot, frosty

[16:34] situation.

Elliott Kalan

[16:35] We'll see a prologue.

[16:36] We'll see a prequel about that at some point.

[16:38] But that ironically ends with him and his girlfriend going to the Stumacher house.

[16:42] And now we know the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say.

[16:44] That sounds like.

Dan McCoy

[16:45] Is it Joel Stumacher's house?

[16:47] Well, I was thinking it sounds like something that you would say like, oh.

[16:50] Like, when Stuart shows up, oh, the Stumacher's here.

[16:55] Now the party can start.

[16:58] We cut to Pine Grove, Indiana, where Sidney Prescott, Ned Campbell, is married to police

[17:03] chief Mark Evans, played by Joel McHale, in a part that was apparently originally supposed

[17:08] to be Patrick Dempsey returning from Scream 3, but he was busy, so they recast it at the

[17:15] last minute.

[17:16] Okay.

[17:16] It happens.

[17:17] She has a teenage daughter, Tatum, named after Rose McGowan's character from the first movie.

[17:24] Which they mention a bunch, but they don't really like.

[17:27] They try to make it an emotional thing.

[17:28] And most of the attempts to make any of it emotional in this movie fall flat on their

[17:33] face.

Elliott Kalan

[17:33] I don't really remember.

[17:35] Were they really, I don't remember the first Scream that well.

[17:37] Like, were they really that close friends?

[17:39] I remember.

[17:39] They were a bad friend.

[17:40] Okay.

[17:41] Because they had such different personalities, the way I remember it.

[17:44] But maybe it was.

[17:45] Yeah, but that's a little friendship.

[17:46] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[17:47] Look at that.

[17:47] Yeah, Dan, that's true.

[17:48] That's true.

[17:49] Dan's really the Nev Campbell and Stu's the Rose McGowan.

[17:52] Yeah, you are unlikely animal friends.

Stuart Wellington

[17:53] I open my mouth and Dan climbs in and cleans out my teeth.

[17:56] Yeah.

[17:56] Is that what it is?

Elliott Kalan

[17:57] A friendship between a party animal and a bookworm?

[18:00] That's unlikely.

[18:01] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[18:02] Who are both essentially nerds.

Stuart Wellington

[18:06] That's the secret.

[18:07] We're all nerds.

Dan McCoy

[18:08] Okay.

[18:09] Sydney's relationship with her daughter Tatum is strained because she won't talk to her

[18:14] kid about all the past trauma she has from constantly fighting serial killers over the years.

[18:19] An endless stream of copycat killers.

Stuart Wellington

[18:21] Even though, honestly, she's pretty well adjusted, right?

Elliott Kalan

[18:25] Who, Nev Campbell?

Stuart Wellington

[18:26] Her character, yeah.

[18:27] Sydney is.

[18:28] No one seems-

[18:30] It's not like Linda Hamilton runs into one Terminator and then goes buck wild for part

[18:36] two.

Elliott Kalan

[18:36] I will say, at first, I kind of liked-

[18:39] It was a little refreshing to see someone who had moved past her trauma as opposed to like-

[18:44] Isn't it in the recent Halloween movies that like-

[18:46] Yes.

[18:46] Lori has like never-

[18:48] Her whole life now is about Michael Myers.

Dan McCoy

[18:50] He's like a survivalist essentially.

[18:51] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[18:52] Like I like that because in real life, many women are the victims of violent assault and

[18:57] their lives continue.

[18:58] Like I thought that was a more realistic way to look at it than my- I mean, she's been

[19:03] attacked by ghost faces so many times at this point that I can understand if she lived in

[19:07] a state of paranoia.

[19:08] But I did- it was- there was something nice about, okay, this character has not been destroyed

[19:12] by their experiences.

[19:13] Now, the flip side of that is I never believed the tension between her and her daughter because

[19:17] her daughter's like, why won't you talk to me about this stuff?

[19:19] And it's like, well, they've established that she wrote a memoir about it and you'd think

[19:23] she would have warned her daughter this kind of thing happens.

[19:27] So you need to be aware of it.

[19:29] Like that I would have believed more than-

[19:31] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[19:31] Well, also the level to which- I'll get into it later, but the level to which she has or

[19:35] has not been prepared also confused me.

[19:37] Yes.

[19:38] So, uh, Sydney is suspicious and protective, especially when her daughter, uh, her daughter's

[19:44] boyfriend, Ben, does stuff like sneaking in the window like Skeet Ulrich did-

Elliott Kalan

[19:48] Ben is so-

[19:49] Back in the day.

[19:49] It's so funny.

[19:49] He's so- he's so creep coded and it's one of those things where it's like, movie, stop

[19:54] throwing the red herrings in my face.

[19:56] Like, come on.

[19:56] Like, stop shoving it in my face.

[19:57] He's- he's such a creepy guy that I- either you have no imagination or it's a red herring.

[20:02] So just stop doing it, you know.

Dan McCoy

[20:04] But you can see that she's like struggles.

[20:05] Like, she wants to open up a bit, but she's also trying to shield her daughter.

[20:09] Um, she like runs a coffee house.

[20:12] Wait, I will say this.

Elliott Kalan

[20:13] I will say this.

[20:14] This is not a Jewish family because if it was a Jewish family, Nev Campbell would only talk

[20:19] about, oh, well, you had a bad day today.

[20:22] What, did a killer run after you?

[20:24] Did all your friends get murdered?

[20:26] Well, I guess you didn't have such a bad day today.

[20:28] That would be- so if this was a Jewish family, she would never stop talking about-

Dan McCoy

[20:31] Alice working out as a one-man show.

Elliott Kalan

[20:33] Anyway, so my one-man show, my mom's Jewish, my dad is Ghostface, and I'm in therapy.

[20:38] We can do those jokes since we explained them on a previous episode.

Dan McCoy

[20:43] Now it's part of the canon.

[20:44] Yeah.

[20:46] At her coffee house job, Sydney interacts with Lucas, who is a teenage true crime fan who

[20:53] insensitively tries to chatter up about the murders.

Elliott Kalan

[20:56] Is this what it's like, Stu, when you're working the bar and a Flophouse fan comes in?

Stuart Wellington

[21:00] Yeah, all the time.

[21:02] They come in and they want to talk to me about true crime, and I'm like, shut up.

[21:07] I think you think that's a different podcast, man.

[21:10] I don't do that.

[21:12] But this kid's-

[21:12] You sure you listen to the Flophouse?

[21:13] This kid's also-

[21:14] Yeah, the Chophouse, right?

[21:16] He's creep-coated, and his mom, what, Anna Camp?

[21:21] Mom is the great Anna Camp.

Elliott Kalan

[21:22] Always great.

[21:23] She's fun.

[21:24] She's very fun in this, but she's always fun in stuff, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[21:26] Yeah, she's like, shut up, son.

[21:30] And then she and Sydney-

[21:31] She is like that.

[21:33] She and Sydney have a brief bonding conversation where they talk about their various traumas,

[21:39] which for Anna Camp slash Jessica means her abusive ex-husband that she got away from.

[21:46] And she's a new character, right?

[21:48] New character.

[21:48] Okay.

[21:48] The only reoccurring characters other than Sydney and Gail Weathers I will point out as

[21:56] they come.

[21:56] And-

[21:57] Thanks.

[21:57] We meet Tatum's friends, Chloe and Hannah.

[22:01] Hannah's played by McKenna Grace from the more recent Ghostbusters movies and an upcoming

[22:06] other Shocktober movie.

[22:09] We have a double McKenna Grace and Matthew Lillard.

[22:14] Yeah.

[22:15] That was a real surprise.

Stuart Wellington

[22:16] That was a real surprise.

[22:18] Wait, what's the other one?

[22:19] Dracula?

[22:19] Yeah, yeah, Dracula.

Dan McCoy

[22:21] Matthew Lillard plays Dracula.

Elliott Kalan

[22:23] He could do it.

[22:24] I would love that.

[22:24] He would be-

[22:25] He could do a great Dracula.

[22:26] He's aged into like he would be good.

[22:28] To be honest, Matthew Lillard, when he was young, I could not fucking stand him.

[22:32] But as an older actor, I think he's great.

[22:34] I think he's really good.

[22:35] He's really good.

[22:36] He really knows how to play different kinds of characters.

[22:38] He's, I mean, I think he's the best thing in the movie, The Descendants, the George Clooney

[22:42] movie.

[22:42] Like, I think he's the best thing in it.

[22:44] Like, the, I think, so it was, so it was, it was a pleasure to see in these two real shit

[22:49] movies that we watched for Shocktober that he was in them.

[22:53] It was like, good.

[22:54] I'm glad he's in it.

Dan McCoy

[22:55] He drops by the movie, The Life of Chuck.

[22:57] And I know that, Stuart, you're not a Mike Flanagan guy.

[23:00] Not a Flanagan.

[23:01] But even you would be like, okay, well, this one scene that he has where he comes by and

[23:07] like basically does a monologue is fantastic and heartbreaking.

Elliott Kalan

[23:12] So, yeah, so we accidentally backed into a, into a theme month of Matthew Lillard and, and

[23:17] McKenick Race.

[23:18] And McKenick Race, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[23:20] And at school, the teens are rehearsing some kind of musical.

[23:22] At first, I thought it was like, might be Peter Pan because Hannah's flying around on

[23:27] fairy wings and Tatum plays a dog, but the dog is called Fluffy, not Nana.

[23:32] So, it's just something they made up for this.

Elliott Kalan

[23:33] Well, I think, I think because Peter Pan is only public domain in the United States and

[23:37] not in England, they probably didn't want to affect Scream 7's release in the UK.

[23:41] Yeah.

[23:41] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[23:42] Yeah.

[23:42] You know, foreign markets are so important these days, Elliot.

[23:46] They are.

Stuart Wellington

[23:46] It's pretty impressive that they're doing a lot of like wire work, right?

Elliott Kalan

[23:50] Well, that was my first thought was this is a very, this is a very professional rig for

[23:55] a high school play.

[23:56] Like this, I've never seen a high school play that has a flying rig before.

Dan McCoy

[24:00] Yeah.

[24:01] Mm.

[24:02] I feel like I've seen some YouTube fails that involve that.

[24:05] So.

[24:07] Um, we get a little, we get a brief scene with the mean drama teacher played by Tim Simons

[24:12] from Peep.

Elliott Kalan

[24:12] One of the great, one of the great TV and movie assholes, Tim Simons, great, and he's

[24:16] fine and asshole.

Dan McCoy

[24:16] Yeah, he's immediately great.

[24:18] Like.

[24:18] Yeah.

[24:19] He's insulting Tatum's dog performance.

[24:21] Like normally the, the overbearing high school drama teacher who takes it too seriously is

[24:27] a trope that I'm kind of bored of, but I was amused that he's berating her over not

[24:31] being a good enough dog in this like dumb mascot dog costume.

[24:35] It's so unnecessary.

Elliott Kalan

[24:36] And it is only, spoiler alert for the, for another movie this week and this month in

[24:41] October, it is only matched in the terms of its unnecessary hostility by Wayne Knight

[24:46] as the mean science teacher in Five Nights at Freddy's too, which we will talk about

[24:50] in another episode.

[24:51] He's such a dick.

[24:51] And I kept being like.

[24:52] And so unnecessarily.

[24:53] Why?

Dan McCoy

[24:54] Yeah.

[24:55] Like her robot seems perfectly good.

[24:56] Anyway, we'll get to it.

[24:57] We need backstory on that one.

Elliott Kalan

[24:59] But it's, but it's funny that Tim Simons is just like, there's no, he's just picking

[25:02] on her to pick on her.

[25:03] He's just being.

[25:03] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[25:03] Well, he's like, I expected more grit from the daughter of Cine Prescott.

Stuart Wellington

[25:07] And he gets one, he like, he gets one more joke, I think later in the movie when being

[25:10] interrogated.

[25:11] He's like talking about his dinner and how he was drinking an Aperol spritz.

[25:15] I thought it was pretty funny.

Elliott Kalan

[25:16] And he was someone who, I assumed when they brought him in that they were going to set him

[25:19] up as another red herring, but they don't really, they just, they don't really do much

[25:22] with him.

Dan McCoy

[25:23] I mean, this movie, like they've got some charismatic people that they get rid of or kill off

[25:29] immediately in favor of much more boring people.

[25:33] And I.

Elliott Kalan

[25:33] Well, they have kind of like some very bland young people.

[25:37] Yeah.

[25:37] And that's not necessarily the performers.

[25:39] That's the characters.

[25:39] The characters are bland young people.

[25:41] And it stinks when you have like these really, I mean, at least Anna Camp has a, has a larger

[25:46] role in the movie.

[25:47] But when you have these like really fun older performers and you're kind of not getting

[25:51] them because you have a lot of screen time on these generic teen characters, it's frustrating.

Dan McCoy

[25:54] And also like, I'll, I'm going to jump ahead briefly to say like McKenna Grace is one of

[25:59] the first teens to get killed.

[26:01] And I really enjoyed her in those Ghostbusters movies.

[26:04] I thought that she put in some strong work there.

[26:06] I think she's good in those.

[26:06] She's charismatic.

[26:07] And like, they're like, get rid of the one teen that's kind of interesting right away.

Elliott Kalan

[26:12] Who has any personality.

[26:13] And the weird thing is that the first Scream movie, I think one of the things that is a

[26:17] strength that other than just the horror aspects and the meta aspects is all those characters

[26:20] feel like they have real personalities.

[26:22] Like they feel like character types.

[26:24] They don't feel like living human beings, but they all have distinct personalities, you

[26:27] know, as, but here they're just kind of like, it's just kind of, I kept with Tatum.

[26:31] I kept being like, what kind of person is Tatum?

[26:33] What is she into?

[26:35] Like, what is her, what are her personality characteristics?

[26:37] She's into being mad at her mom.

[26:38] I guess that's it.

[26:39] I mean, to be fair, that is a big thing for teens.

[26:41] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[26:42] Teens love it.

[26:43] You know, that's a perennial favorite, you know, like magazines year after year, Tiger

[26:49] Beat or whatever.

[26:50] Tiger Beat hot list.

Elliott Kalan

[26:51] Number one, again, being mad at your parents.

[26:53] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[26:53] Yeah.

[26:54] Yeah.

[26:54] Set up a kiosk at the mall.

[26:56] Team Vogue.

[26:56] Stuff that talks shit about people's parents.

[26:58] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[26:59] Number two is always male singer who is sexually arousing, but not too threatening, but a little

[27:04] threatening, but not too much.

[27:06] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[27:08] Possibly gay?

[27:09] Question mark?

[27:10] Yeah.

[27:10] And then number three, of course, is pizza.

[27:12] Oh, yeah.

[27:13] Sure.

[27:13] Whereas they call it Zah.

Elliott Kalan

[27:14] That's the Venn diagram of Teenage Turtles.

Dan McCoy

[27:16] Were you talking about Liberace?

[27:17] Teenage Turtles.

Elliott Kalan

[27:19] Of the mutant variety.

[27:20] Yeah.

[27:21] The Venn diagram between Teenage Ninja Turtles and, well, between Mutant Ninja Turtles and

[27:25] humans is the teenager pizza section in the middle.

[27:28] Right.

[27:28] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[27:29] Yeah.

[27:30] So, anyway, Sydney gets a ghost face call.

Elliott Kalan

[27:32] When are we going to finally get that middle-aged Ninja Turtles, middle-aged Mutant Ninja Turtles

[27:36] story?

[27:37] I mean, it's got to be coming.

[27:38] I feel like-

Dan McCoy

[27:38] I mean, like, turtles live for so long, though.

[27:40] That's the thing.

[27:40] They do live a long time.

[27:42] They're like Baby Yodas.

[27:43] You know, they're teens for a while.

[27:44] They're going to be teens for a while.

[27:44] Yeah.

[27:46] Sydney gets a ghost face call.

Elliott Kalan

[27:48] She initially-

[27:48] When are we going to get that middle-aged Baby Yoda story we want so badly?

Dan McCoy

[27:52] Yeah.

[27:53] We've seen them old.

[27:54] We've seen them young.

[27:55] What about in the middle?

Elliott Kalan

[27:57] We've never seen a middle-aged Yoda.

[27:58] Why not?

Dan McCoy

[27:59] I mean, we could walk into Disney right now with this pitch.

Stuart Wellington

[28:01] Is there a moment in Young Sheldon where Young Sheldon walks through a door and he, like,

[28:05] morphs into Jim Parsons?

[28:09] Do they do a morph?

Dan McCoy

[28:10] I would love it if they, like, looked at Mandalorian Grogu and they're like, hmm,

[28:16] okay, the problem isn't that people are overexposed on Star Wars or we're not spending enough

[28:20] time making the Star Wars movies good.

[28:21] The problem is we haven't gotten the right age for Yoda yet.

Elliott Kalan

[28:24] People love the scene where Grogu is taking care of the Mandalorian.

[28:28] So let's-

[28:29] We jump forward.

[28:30] The Mandalorian is a senile old man.

[28:32] Grogu is middle-aged and he has to take care of his father figure.

[28:35] That's relatable.

[28:37] That's-

[28:37] But he doesn't-

[28:38] And so Mandalorian, he, like, he still, he, you know, thinks that he's still a bounty

[28:42] hunter and Grogu has to humor him sometimes, you know.

[28:46] But here's the movie.

Dan McCoy

[28:47] It's sort of like that, it's like nothing in common that Tom Hanks and Jackie Gleason

[28:52] dramedy where he's, like, taking care of his-

[28:55] I'm the only person who remembers this movie.

[28:56] I've never heard of this movie.

Elliott Kalan

[28:57] Dan, you could be making up this movie and I have no idea.

Dan McCoy

[29:00] Anyway.

[29:01] I've never heard of this.

Elliott Kalan

[29:03] Well, it's because it's not particularly funny or dramatic.

[29:08] But it's on Tubi, so I may be watching it.

Dan McCoy

[29:11] But it was in that cohort of movies that were on HBO when I was young.

Elliott Kalan

[29:16] Directed by Gary Marshall.

[29:17] You must have gotten the regional HBO that showed this, whereas I got the one that showed

[29:20] the toy.

[29:20] So Hector Elizondo's in it.

[29:22] He has to be.

[29:23] You better believe it, buddy.

[29:25] He is as Charlie Gargis.

[29:27] I'm looking up right now.

[29:28] Charlie Gargis.

[29:30] Of course he's Charlie Gargis.

Stuart Wellington

[29:32] Who else could be fucking Charlie Gargis than Hector Elizondo?

Elliott Kalan

[29:35] Gary Marshall goes, I just don't know who to cast for Charlie Gargis.

[29:38] And they're like, Gary, the perfect guy's right in front of your face.

[29:41] Hector.

[29:42] I don't think Hector has what it takes to be Charlie Gargis.

[29:44] Trust me.

[29:45] Hector's got the range.

[29:46] He can do it.

[29:47] I don't know who the guy who's trying to Gary Marshall is.

[29:49] Sounds more like Gary Marshall.

Dan McCoy

[29:51] Have you seen him in Exit to Eden, the movie that you will make eventually?

[29:54] The movie you haven't made yet.

Elliott Kalan

[29:56] Where he was laid in an aristocratic curve.

[29:58] Is intentionally sexual in that movie?

Dan McCoy

[30:02] Weird.

[30:03] Sidney, I mean, he's good at it.

[30:04] Sidney gets a ghost face call.

Elliott Kalan

[30:06] I mean, again, I'm not going to complain about seeing Hector Elizondo in something.

Dan McCoy

[30:09] No, never.

[30:09] No.

[30:11] He's got a...

[30:12] We joke because we love.

[30:13] Exactly.

[30:14] Well, often we joke because we don't love.

[30:16] But with him, we joke because we love.

[30:17] Yeah.

[30:19] Again, Sidney gets a ghost face call.

[30:21] What movie are we talking about?

[30:23] Initially dismisses as a crank call.

[30:26] She's gotten him before.

[30:27] Until he reveals himself via video call.

[30:30] And uh-oh, it looks like this is Stu all grown up with a scarred face.

[30:34] He is still alive.

[30:36] She says...

Stuart Wellington

[30:36] But still, you know, still looks pretty good.

[30:39] He's not like fucking Darkman.

Dan McCoy

[30:40] No, no, he's not like Darkman.

[30:42] Yeah.

[30:43] He's like...

Stuart Wellington

[30:43] He's a little bit better than...

Dan McCoy

[30:45] He's sub-Deadpool.

[30:46] No, he's not better.

[30:47] You keep saying that like Deadpool looks surprisingly good.

[30:51] I'm like, Deadpool looks fine.

[30:52] But he's like...

Elliott Kalan

[30:53] I would say he looks slightly better than the man without a face.

[30:57] Yeah.

[30:58] From the movie The Same Name.

[30:58] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[31:00] Um, yeah.

[31:02] We're making up spectrum of movie scarring.

[31:05] Um...

[31:07] Uh, yeah.

[31:08] No, she says nice try.

[31:09] Stu's dead.

[31:10] But he insists it's him.

[31:11] He says he's at Tatum School right then.

[31:13] Oh, no.

[31:14] So she alerts her cop husband to go to the theater, but it's too late to save stagehand

[31:19] Aaron or Hannah, who is killed while hanging from the rig.

Elliott Kalan

[31:24] Hannah's death is particularly gory.

[31:26] Yeah.

[31:27] And it felt undeserved, very undeserved, that it's like...

[31:31] It's one thing if she gets stabbed.

[31:32] That happens in these movies.

[31:33] But she literally is swinging back and forth, and he just holds up his knife, and it just

[31:37] slits open her belly, and her guts fall out onto the floor on camera.

[31:41] And it just seemed...

[31:42] I don't know, guys.

[31:43] It's...

[31:43] I couldn't...

[31:44] I had to rewind to...

[31:44] I'm okay with it.

[31:45] I like the other victim schools.

[31:47] Oh, wow.

[31:47] I did rewind to watch it again, because I was like, did that happen?

[31:50] Like, that was much gorier than I expected.

[31:51] I think there's...

Stuart Wellington

[31:52] There's a kill that's, like, super kind of gory and weird later on.

[31:56] Yeah.

[31:57] That I think eclipsed this one in my mind.

[32:00] Uh-huh.

Dan McCoy

[32:00] Yeah.

[32:01] That's the...

[32:02] That was kind of fun.

[32:04] The cops arrive in time to prevent further murders, but not...

[32:08] Oh, thank goodness.

[32:09] ...these murders.

[32:09] Oh, no.

[32:10] And none of our main cast, of course, have good alibis for the killings, so everyone's

[32:14] a suspect.

[32:15] Mm-hmm.

[32:16] At home, they try and secure Sydney's house, but Ghostface is already lurking in the attic.

[32:23] And there's like...

[32:24] Like a hider in the house?

[32:25] Mm-hmm.

[32:26] I will say this.

[32:27] Much like a hider in the house.

[32:28] Only in these...

Elliott Kalan

[32:29] Exactly like one.

[32:30] Exactly.

[32:30] The definition of one.

[32:31] Only in these movies would everybody be a suspect to murders this random and gruesome.

[32:37] Like, if...

[32:38] Mm-hmm.

[32:38] If...

[32:39] Honestly, if my...

[32:40] You know, God forbid this should ever happen.

[32:41] If my kids were...

[32:43] My older son was in high school, and he's working at the drama department.

[32:46] He's working on the school play, which we'd never do because he's...

[32:48] Now, which play is it?

[32:49] Because he's a jock.

[32:50] It's probably...

[32:51] That's probably gonna be Bye Bye Birdie.

[32:54] You know, kind of an old, standard musical.

[32:56] Classic high school musical.

[32:57] Exactly.

[32:57] But not high school musical.

[32:58] But not high school musical.

[32:59] It's the high school musical version of Bye Bye Birdie.

[33:01] And if he was in the back room...

[33:05] Not the back rooms, but if he was backstage...

[33:07] Thank you for the clarification.

[33:08] I think he would do okay, though.

[33:10] He's pretty nimble.

[33:11] As long as he has his baseball cards, I think he'd be fine in the back rooms.

[33:13] He just wouldn't want to leave.

Dan McCoy

[33:14] My thing is, just don't go that far into the back rooms.

[33:16] There's no reason to go that far.

[33:17] What are you talking about, Dan?

Elliott Kalan

[33:18] There's no reason.

[33:19] It's there for exploring.

[33:21] No.

[33:21] What possible building have you ever been in that you need to explore that much?

[33:26] Yeah.

[33:26] Do you guys not understand the concept of rabbit holes?

[33:29] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[33:29] Rabbits live in them.

[33:30] Anyway, so...

[33:31] It's enticing.

[33:32] It pulls you in.

[33:33] You're like, what's that silhouette back there?

Elliott Kalan

[33:35] I mean, to be honest, I am the one person who, if I'm in a building, I want to see every

[33:39] single room and know what it looks like.

[33:40] I was touring.

Dan McCoy

[33:43] That's why when you came to my apartment, you're like, what's in here?

Elliott Kalan

[33:45] What's in here?

[33:46] Oh, a closet, eh?

[33:47] What's this?

[33:49] There's dance stuff everywhere.

[33:51] But if he was backstage and then it turned out that someone on stage had had their guts

[33:57] pulled out of their body, I would not be like, did my son do this?

[34:01] I'd be like, some maniac must have gotten into the school.

[34:04] It would not be that everybody's a suspect.

[34:06] Only in these movies is it conceivable, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[34:10] In a world where people are already getting body language experts to review that new Elizabeth

[34:16] Holmes documentary trailer to be like, her body language indicates she's a sociopath.

[34:22] And you're like, I feel like they could get somebody to help here to narrow down these

[34:28] suspects.

Dan McCoy

[34:30] I would be hard pressed to think of a horror trailer that made me more uncomfortable than

[34:35] that trailer.

Elliott Kalan

[34:37] Not even Other Mommy?

[34:39] Other Mommy.

[34:40] That's a good trailer.

[34:41] That's a good trailer.

[34:42] There's no way the movie's going to live up to that trailer, but I hope it does.

[34:45] I hope it does.

Dan McCoy

[34:45] Now, I know that Tatum is sad that her friend just died, but-

[34:49] She doesn't seem that sad.

[34:51] She's like, why didn't you warn me?

[34:53] Maybe I could have saved her.

[34:54] But it really seemed like she has the key information that killers sometimes show up.

[34:59] I don't know what other-

[35:00] Yeah, I don't know what her mom could have told her.

[35:01] I don't know what other information she's talking about, but anyway.

Elliott Kalan

[35:03] Always make sure you and her friends are wearing knife-proof vests at all times, you know?

Dan McCoy

[35:09] And stand behind a rabbit-proof fence in case if you're scared of rabbit holes.

[35:14] Yeah.

[35:14] Yeah, you don't want to go down one.

[35:16] Yeah.

[35:16] Stay in the front rooms.

[35:18] Mm-hmm.

[35:19] That's my motto.

[35:22] Not me.

[35:23] I'm built different, guys.

[35:24] Sometimes I stay in the foyer just in case I want to leave early.

[35:27] I don't get bored or-

[35:28] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[35:29] The ultimate front room.

Dan McCoy

[35:30] Yeah.

[35:32] Tatum is caught by Ghostface and held at knife point for a little bit, and there's a little

[35:36] face-off.

[35:37] In the house, yeah.

[35:38] In the house.

[35:38] There's a face-off with the parents.

[35:40] Mark initially overpowers Ghostface, but then is knocked down the stairs unconscious.

Stuart Wellington

[35:46] So that's a key thing about the screen movies as a slasher is that here the slasher is like

[35:54] a person.

[35:55] Yeah.

[35:55] So like they get hurt.

[35:57] They're a little clumsy.

[35:59] They're not perfect murder machines.

[36:01] Which I do like about it.

[36:02] Although I feel like later on as the series has gone on, Ghostface has become more and

[36:07] more capable.

Elliott Kalan

[36:08] Yeah.

[36:08] And certainly as this movie goes on, Ghostface is more and more durable, you know?

Dan McCoy

[36:14] Yeah.

[36:14] No, it is true.

[36:15] Like especially in the first one, it was almost like a Three Stooges sort of like he would be

[36:21] just as likely to get kicked and fall down stairs himself.

Elliott Kalan

[36:24] Yeah, which was great.

[36:25] I mean, there is something unbelievable about a trained police officer losing a fight to

[36:30] a man wearing flowing robes that are easy to trip in and a mask that makes it harder

[36:35] to see, you know?

Dan McCoy

[36:38] Sydney and Tatum briefly escape to a safe room and then leave the safe room immediately.

[36:41] This is crazy.

[36:43] Well, I don't remember why they do it.

Stuart Wellington

[36:44] Why does a panic room have an exit into the wall?

[36:48] Because they have an exit into the crawl space in the walls.

Elliott Kalan

[36:51] She's like, is there another way out?

[36:52] Yes, there is.

[36:53] Well, this is not a panic room then.

[36:55] Very bad panic room design.

Stuart Wellington

[36:56] Yeah, let's climb into the walls.

[36:59] Have you ever seen that movie, The Raid of C?

[37:00] We're going to do with that.

Dan McCoy

[37:02] We're going to do exactly that.

[37:03] Yeah.

[37:04] Well, she wants to go find, she wants to help her husband.

[37:08] But then like Tatum is too stubborn to stay in a safe room.

Elliott Kalan

[37:11] Your husband is a police officer.

[37:13] This is his job.

[37:14] Why are you going to help him?

[37:16] That doesn't make sense.

[37:17] His job is to do this while you stay safe.

Dan McCoy

[37:20] She does have a lot of Ghostface experience.

[37:22] I will say that.

[37:23] But Ghostface is always a different person.

Dan McCoy

[37:25] So they're definitely killed by one yet.

Elliott Kalan

[37:28] She's the least killed by a Ghostface of anyone in the series.

[37:31] But Ghostface is always a different person.

[37:33] So that experience is meaningless.

[37:35] It's not like, oh, here are the rules of Ghostface.

[37:37] Because it's always a different thing.

[37:38] You know, it's not Jason coming back every time.

Dan McCoy

[37:40] How long do you think the series needs to go on before they get to a point where they're like, it's all been one spirit traveling person to person.

[37:48] Oh, Scream 8 probably.

[37:49] Like a hidden thing.

[37:50] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[37:50] Or, I mean, I'm surprised they didn't go in the like Grendel direction where we have different variations of Ghostface.

Elliott Kalan

[37:57] There's an ancient Ghostface that's resounded throughout history.

Stuart Wellington

[38:01] There's like tactical Ghostface, like all that shit.

[38:03] Cyborg Ghostface.

Elliott Kalan

[38:04] I would love it if they really went the Grendel route and now it's the future and Ghostface is saving the prince from vampires.

[38:10] Yeah.

[38:11] That'd be great.

Stuart Wellington

[38:11] Balkanized clans who worship the Grendel as some kind of war deity and they're fighting amongst each other.

Elliott Kalan

[38:17] And of course there's –

[38:18] Primes of Grendel route.

[38:19] There's Ghostface Prime who is a cyborg and fights Batman at one point.

[38:23] Yeah, yeah.

[38:24] Mark wakes up –

[38:25] I got to reread those Grendel books.

Stuart Wellington

[38:26] There's a new Grendel series out now and I kind of want to read all the old ones before I read this one.

[38:30] Grendel's pretty cool.

[38:31] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[38:32] Mark wakes up.

[38:32] Matt Weitner knows what he's doing.

[38:34] And he manages to push the killer into the street where he's immediately run over by a car driven by Gale Weathers, a.k.a. Courtney Cox, who is accompanied by Mindy and Chad Meeks Martin.

[38:45] These are our recurring characters from the Legacy sequel reboots.

Elliott Kalan

[38:49] Are we supposed to hate these characters?

Dan McCoy

[38:52] I don't think we're supposed to, but I certainly did.

Elliott Kalan

[38:55] These are so irritating and so unpleasant to be around.

Stuart Wellington

[38:59] Yeah.

[38:59] And one of them, luckily, is a Nepo baby, guys.

[39:03] Oh, yeah?

[39:03] Son of Kuba Gooding Jr.

[39:05] Kuba Gooding III?

[39:07] Mm-hmm.

[39:07] And although I like – this actor, I've liked in a lot of things.

[39:11] He was a lot of fun in I Want Your Sex.

[39:14] Okay.

[39:15] I will say, again, I'm not going to blame the performers.

[39:16] I don't blame them.

Elliott Kalan

[39:17] I blame the writing.

[39:18] The writing is annoying for these characters.

[39:20] They are playing these characters the way they are written, which is as two annoying asshole pieces of shit.

[39:25] Yeah.

[39:25] Who I don't like – who – and they are the ones who more than all the others treat it as if they know they are in a movie.

[39:30] Like later they're like, hmm, rebooting the franchise.

Dan McCoy

[39:33] Yeah.

[39:33] So if I recall from the Scream, and by that I mean Scream 5, the Sydney – wait, not Sydney.

[39:47] Cindy, I meant to say.

[39:48] Mindy?

[39:49] Mindy.

[39:49] God damn it.

[39:50] I'm played by Jasmine Savoy Brown.

[39:51] I like to turn yellow jackets.

[39:52] Mindy is the sort of randy character of this.

[39:56] And by that I don't mean horny.

Elliott Kalan

[39:57] Oh, never mind.

[39:58] I mean –

[39:58] I thought you meant horny.

Dan McCoy

[40:00] I mean the Jamie Kennedy style.

[40:01] Because I wasn't picking up on the horniness of the character at all, you know.

Elliott Kalan

[40:04] Mm-hmm.

[40:05] Mm-hmm.

[40:05] So she's the one – she's supposed to be the one who's like, this is all a movie.

[40:08] It's all movie roles.

Dan McCoy

[40:10] Yeah.

[40:11] So they're fraternal twins who are like hanging out with Gail Weathers.

[40:15] They want to, you know, be famous themselves essentially.

[40:18] Oh, they're supposed to be related to Randy.

[40:20] Oh.

[40:20] Oh, really?

[40:21] I forgot that detail.

Elliott Kalan

[40:22] They are the niece and nephew of Randy.

Dan McCoy

[40:25] So it runs in the family.

[40:27] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[40:27] So it runs – so being an asshole – being an annoying asshole runs in the family.

Dan McCoy

[40:33] They unmask the killer underneath the wheels of the van.

[40:38] It is Carl Gibbs, a murderer who is –

[40:40] Oh, it was Carl Gibbs.

[40:42] What?

[40:43] Yeah.

[40:44] I knew that.

[40:45] I should have guessed.

[40:45] From the BGs.

[40:46] They threw it out there so many times.

[40:48] This is one of the things that I found funny because they're like, okay, this is a murderer who escaped from a local mental institution.

[40:54] And Sydney saw him at the coffeehouse earlier.

[40:57] But everyone's like, huh, weird.

[40:59] In the past, it's always someone that we know.

Elliott Kalan

[41:02] Like, this is strange.

[41:03] No, but I do like that.

[41:04] I wish they had run more with that because I do like the idea of like, yeah, people just being ghost face now.

[41:09] Like, it's not somebody – it reminds me of – I forgot.

[41:12] There's some comic book or movie.

[41:15] Someone write in and tell us.

[41:17] There's something where they unmask a villain and they're like, who is he?

[41:20] And it's like, I don't know.

[41:21] Some guy.

[41:23] Not someone I knew already.

[41:24] Which is more likely to happen.

[41:27] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[41:28] Mandy and Chad trying to steal Gail's thunder.

Elliott Kalan

[41:31] Statistically, there's so many people on the planet.

[41:33] You don't know everybody.

[41:34] You don't know everybody.

[41:35] You can't.

[41:35] Only one person knows everybody.

[41:36] His name is Jesus.

[41:37] Have you guys heard the good news?

[41:39] Yeah.

[41:39] Some kind of anybody.

[41:41] But I remember when I looked back and there was only one set of bloody footprints and it's because Jesus was stabbing me.

Dan McCoy

[41:47] Oh, yeah.

[41:48] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[41:49] That's the gospel according to Ghostface.

[41:51] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[41:54] So these twins, they're trying to do their own report before Gail stops them because they want to be famous.

Elliott Kalan

[41:58] This is also very funny to me.

[42:00] The idea that you are the – they're like the camera guy and intern to a reporter.

[42:06] And they keep being like, no, we'll do the report this time.

[42:08] I'll go on camera.

[42:09] It's like, that's not how that works.

[42:10] Yeah.

[42:10] If they were like, we're going live now from the scene of the Ghostface killing and they're like, and go to camera.

[42:17] The director at the station would be like, who the hell is this?

[42:19] What is going on?

[42:20] Where's Gail?

Dan McCoy

[42:21] And you would wonder why Gail hasn't just fired them already except for it seems that she's fallen on hard times.

[42:27] Her contract hasn't been renewed.

[42:28] So I guess she needs her lackeys.

Elliott Kalan

[42:31] I guess they're like freelance journalists or something.

Dan McCoy

[42:33] Yeah.

[42:33] And she's hungering for a comeback, but this is barely explored.

[42:37] There's a lot of stuff that's sort of like said but not developed.

[42:42] There's a brief part in here where Sydney asked Lucas about AI because she suspects what everyone in the audience already suspects, that Stu is just a deep fake.

[42:50] And we get a little meta talk between Gail and Sydney about how Sydney sat out in New York, a.k.a. Scream 6.

[42:59] She says something like, no, it was good.

[43:01] You said it.

[43:02] It's good you didn't come to New York.

[43:03] You should have read the script.

[43:04] It was bad.

[43:07] They get another call from Stu who threatens our legacy characters and Sydney agrees to go with Gail to investigate at the mental hospital.

[43:16] After a little token Tatum.

[43:18] It's too dangerous for you.

[43:20] Token Tatum.

[43:20] Tatum is too dangerous for you to come along.

[43:24] They hit the institution where they meet supervisor Marco Davis, who is played by now balding 90s teen heartthrob Ethan Embry.

[43:34] Hell, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[43:35] We got a character actor, so he's probably going to be in more than one scene here.

Dan McCoy

[43:40] He's probably, yeah, not that important.

[43:42] We can probably forget about this guy, right?

[43:44] No.

[43:44] He's great.

Stuart Wellington

[43:45] Did you guys see The Devil's Candy?

[43:46] He's really good in that.

[43:48] I think he's good.

[43:49] He's another guy.

[43:50] No, I haven't seen that.

Elliott Kalan

[43:50] I know The Devil's Candy, the book about the making of Bonfire of the Vanities.

Dan McCoy

[43:53] Back in the day.

[43:54] I think it's a different story that I'm talking about.

[43:57] Back in the day, you know, it's kind of hard to judge someone's abilities when they're just getting like teen heartthrob roles.

[44:03] But he's another person who I think as a character actor has been gripped.

Elliott Kalan

[44:08] We don't necessarily know he'll come back.

[44:10] This could be a cameo.

[44:12] Could be a stunt casting cameo.

[44:13] It turns out not to be.

Dan McCoy

[44:15] But Marco claims to recognize Stu as a John Doe drifter who had been there since the 90s with memory loss until he was released just two weeks ago.

[44:26] And he says he was close friends with the runover murderer.

Elliott Kalan

[44:30] I think it is very funny the idea that, yeah, we had this John Doe.

[44:35] No way of recognizing him or identifying him.

[44:38] When Stu Mocker is apparently famous.

[44:40] He is famous enough that people are going to his old house to relive his murders.

[44:45] But at the institution, they're like, yeah, we don't really have the media around here.

[44:48] We don't have the internet.

[44:49] You know, it's a screen-free zone.

[44:51] So we don't look things up.

Dan McCoy

[44:53] They don't want to, you know, work up the people there.

[44:55] It's mostly part cheesy that they have.

Elliott Kalan

[44:58] With actual cheese, that's the difference.

Dan McCoy

[45:02] Or things that are part cheesy.

[45:05] Like combos?

[45:07] Mm-hmm.

[45:08] It's a combo of cheesiness and pretzeliness.

[45:11] Pretzels, yeah.

[45:11] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[45:12] I think I once wrote a joke for The Daily Show, which I think ended up in the air, if I can't remember, about referring to combos.

[45:21] It's tasting like a Lincoln log somebody jizzed in.

[45:28] Pretty good.

[45:28] Anyway, I can't remember if that ended up on the show or not.

Dan McCoy

[45:32] Back at Sydney's place, the twins are hanging out with Tatum, being annoying and theorizing about who the killer is.

[45:38] And they are starting to hatch their own plan to figure it out.

Stuart Wellington

[45:41] Did you mention that Sydney and Tatum and Mark's house is under partial construction, filled with lots of sheets?

Dan McCoy

[45:49] The garage is covered in tarps and such.

Stuart Wellington

[45:53] And improvised weapons.

[45:56] A lot of...

Elliott Kalan

[45:57] A lot of very killable with construction equipment.

Dan McCoy

[46:00] Well, a lot of stuff will happen in the garage, I assume, as a homage to Rose McGowan getting killed by a garage door opener in the first one.

Elliott Kalan

[46:10] That's a great classic, iconic kill.

[46:12] Classic kill.

[46:12] Her face getting all squished.

[46:14] Terrible.

[46:14] Terrifying.

Dan McCoy

[46:16] Meanwhile, Sydney agrees to a live TV interview with Gail to lure Stu out of the shadows.

[46:23] While her husband, Mark, wanders around their mid-renovation garage and gets stabbed several times by a ghost face.

[46:30] Way too many times to possibly survive several hours later.

[46:34] So, we can say goodbye to Mark 100%.

[46:36] We will never see Mark again.

Stuart Wellington

[46:37] Never see him again.

[46:39] Must be dead.

[46:39] Dr. Dan McCoy, MD over here.

[46:43] The MD stands for McCoy, Dan.

Dan McCoy

[46:44] I think I can make that...

[46:46] I think I can say that someone stabbed that many times in the organs area.

Elliott Kalan

[46:51] Did you not see the text at the beginning of the movie, which airs in front of all screen movies, the text where it says,

[46:57] In another world, much like our own, but where stab wounds are much easier to shake off.

[47:02] And then the movie starts.

Dan McCoy

[47:03] Yeah, that makes sense.

[47:05] I did see the part on the poster where it would claim to be 100% medically accurate.

Elliott Kalan

[47:10] Red right hand plays.

[47:14] That's why there was that long scene about kidney disease.

[47:17] Do you not remember that?

[47:18] Where they just talk about it, get your kidneys checked out.

[47:21] Peeing is a privilege, not a right.

[47:23] I thought that was getting a little weird at that point.

Dan McCoy

[47:25] Kind of militant about it.

Elliott Kalan

[47:26] Well, it inspired me to write my one night only style script where peeing has been banned.

[47:32] And people have to find illicit ways to get the urine out of their body.

Dan McCoy

[47:35] Do they save it up for one day?

Elliott Kalan

[47:37] One day out of the year you can pee and everyone just goes,

[47:40] It feels so good to get that pee out.

[47:43] But it's like you got to wear a steel suit that collects the pee.

[47:46] It's kind of like a colostomy bag.

[47:48] You do all these calculations about like,

Dan McCoy

[47:51] Oh, okay, how much liquid do I need to take in to be alive but not pee?

Elliott Kalan

[47:55] And everybody's running so that it's sweating out instead of having to be peed out.

[47:59] Yeah, exactly.

[48:00] Oh, okay.

Stuart Wellington

[48:01] Sounds good.

[48:02] Are there any lazy fremen who just stand around pissing shit in their pants?

[48:06] The lazy fremen.

[48:09] A stanky legging around the desert, shitting in pissing pants.

[48:11] I mean, they all are.

[48:12] They all are, right?

[48:13] They all stanky legging around.

[48:14] I mean, but it's still suit.

Elliott Kalan

[48:16] It doesn't recycle poop, too, does it?

[48:18] Because there is moisture in that.

[48:19] But like...

[48:20] I thought it recycled poop.

[48:22] But then what happens with the...

[48:23] I guess they probably burn the dry part of the poop.

Dan McCoy

[48:25] They suck so much liquid out there.

[48:28] It's just dust and then joins the sand.

Stuart Wellington

[48:30] Somebody send me the incredible cross-sections image of this, please.

[48:34] Of the still suit.

[48:35] Still suit, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[48:37] As I was saying, Red Right Hand plays, just to remind us of a better Scream movie,

[48:41] as the town curfew goes into effect.

[48:44] Yeah.

[48:45] Tatum meets her boyfriend Ben, her friends Chloe and Lucas, and the Meeks twins at a closed

[48:50] local tavern where Claire gives her Randy-style monologue about how tropes apply, saying that

[48:57] this time it's all about nostalgia and about Sydney.

[49:02] And I gotta say, like, the one thing about the meta stuff about Scream, I gotta say, love

[49:07] Scream, the first Scream.

[49:10] But even back then when Randy said this shit, it wasn't actually helpful in any way to avoid

[49:17] like getting killed or anything, like he lays out the rules and the rules are essentially

[49:21] irrelevant.

[49:22] The rules are just like Kevin Williamson saying things that like horror fans already knew were

[49:26] true about slasher films.

Elliott Kalan

[49:28] The reason, I think one of the reasons the first Scream was so successful is that he does

[49:32] have the Randy character informing non-horror fans, these are the rules you need to live

[49:37] by.

[49:37] But at this point, there's nothing that these characters are saying that is informing an audience

[49:43] that maybe isn't already steeped in these tropes.

[49:45] It's just instead of doing the thing, they're calling attention to the thing.

[49:48] Instead of embodying it, they're just saying it.

[49:51] But in the first one, I think there is a use for it because like you said, like slasher

[49:54] movies had not been successful for a while.

[49:56] Scream kind of brought them back.

[49:57] And so audiences were not familiar with the rules the same way.

[50:00] They all hadn't read Girls in Chainsaws, the classic academic text on it.

[50:06] And so it was helpful in that reason.

[50:09] But at this point, yeah, nothing she's saying in this is at all helpful in that way.

Dan McCoy

[50:12] No, it was useful for the audience.

[50:13] It was like fun, like narrative, like frosting to be put on top of the cake.

[50:18] But it just never struck me as like...

Elliott Kalan

[50:22] I'm sorry.

[50:22] I got the name of the book wrong.

[50:23] I'm sorry.

[50:23] It's Men, Women, and Chainsaws.

[50:24] That's the book, Men, Women, and Chainsaws.

Dan McCoy

[50:25] It never struck me as if it was like truly integrated into the movie where it's like,

[50:30] and this affects the action of the movie.

Stuart Wellington

[50:33] Because the killers in the first Scream movie, spoiler alert, are horror movie obsessed nerds.

[50:40] And they are operating, their brains are kind of operating on those things.

[50:45] Whereas now, that shit doesn't matter at all.

[50:49] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[50:49] Yeah.

[50:51] At the TV studio for this interview, Sidney's like, are you going to play nice?

[50:55] And Gail says, of course not.

[50:57] And I got to say, nothing about their friendship at this point makes sense to me.

[51:00] No.

[51:00] Like after years and years and several murders, Gail still wants to do like a hardball interview

[51:07] of Sidney.

[51:08] I don't...

[51:09] It doesn't really...

[51:10] I mean, especially when this is like all planned to lure her.

[51:13] I mean, I know that she wants to be back on top, but I don't know.

[51:16] I feel like we're past this with the characters of Gail and Sidney.

[51:19] I think...

Elliott Kalan

[51:19] I would...

[51:20] I did not...

[51:20] I don't buy them as having this friendship.

[51:23] Like they hug and it's like, oh, I'm so glad you're here.

[51:24] Like I would buy it if they had more kind of real housewife style friendships where they're

[51:28] bitchy with each other and it's like, we're in this together, but we don't really like

[51:31] each other.

[51:32] They just go to different locations to get in arguments.

[51:34] Exactly.

[51:35] But instead, it's supposed to be that they're really...

[51:38] Yeah, that they have a relationship and it doesn't really work.

[51:41] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[51:42] Well, Sidney uses the interview to ask Stu why he's doing this and what he wants and

[51:46] Gail taunts him a bit before bringing up Sidney's children, which causes Sidney to walk

[51:51] off the interview immediately.

[51:53] It all seems kind of counterproductive to the plan.

Elliott Kalan

[51:55] It shows you how few people you need to broadcast a television show because I don't think there's

[52:00] anyone operating the switchboard really, the cameras, like the lights.

[52:05] There's like...

[52:06] There's just a local...

[52:07] The local TV news guy...

[52:08] Like four people.

[52:09] It's like a...

[52:10] And Gail's couple and they're like, that's it.

[52:13] There's nobody else in the building.

[52:15] It's crazy.

Dan McCoy

[52:17] After the aborted interview, Stu calls them to say he is at Parker's Tavern with the kids,

[52:26] causing Sid to run out while Gail contacts the cops for some backup.

[52:32] And near the tavern, Tatum gets suspicious of Ben after finding a laptop in his car where he

[52:39] was running a test to deepfake and see whether you could put Stu's face on him.

[52:46] And we learn later...

[52:48] I know how this looks.

[52:50] Well, like this is what I'm going to say.

[52:51] We learn later this is a red herring.

[52:53] But if you're going to run this kind of test, I strongly suggest you tell your girlfriend

[52:57] up front to avoid these kinds of misunderstandings that end with Ben getting hit in the head

[53:03] with a laptop and her running away.

[53:06] Like, this is exactly the sort of thing you don't do secretly.

[53:09] And then the evidence around it.

[53:11] No, not at all.

Stuart Wellington

[53:12] That's a fucking hindsight 2020 thing, you know?

[53:14] Yeah.

[53:15] It's easy to Monday morning quarterback you in this situation.

Elliott Kalan

[53:18] He has one of those laptops where you don't need a password to get into it when you open

[53:22] it up.

[53:22] It's just all...

[53:23] He just disabled that, you know?

[53:24] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[53:24] Unlike Elliot's Fort Knox of a laptop.

[53:27] I mean, you do have children running around, so you don't want them to...

Elliott Kalan

[53:31] I mean, I just don't want them messing with my work, basically, you know?

Dan McCoy

[53:34] Well, that's the next announced national treasure movie, actually, is Nick Cage has to get into

[53:38] Elliot's laptop.

[53:39] Oh, wow.

Elliott Kalan

[53:40] Oh, that's cool.

[53:41] Good luck.

[53:42] Good luck.

[53:42] Yeah, because of all the revolutionary secrets inside there.

[53:45] Oh, I got in.

Stuart Wellington

[53:46] It's full of Abraham Lincoln stuff and fetish content.

Elliott Kalan

[53:49] Full of Abraham Lincoln gifs.

[53:54] I could use these.

[53:55] I could use these in my text conversations.

[53:57] I'll just save these to my camera roll.

[54:00] This is useful.

[54:02] Oh, look, there's all these drafts of projects that Elliot worked on years ago that he doesn't

[54:06] really need, but he's holding onto them just in case.

[54:12] Computer humor.

Dan McCoy

[54:14] Inside the bar, Ghostface injures the twins and kills Chloe and Lucas.

[54:18] Unfortunately, does not kill the twins, yeah.

[54:20] The latter of which gets the most gnarly death of the movie.

[54:23] He's impaled on a tap and I guess blood and beer shoots out of his mouth.

[54:27] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[54:28] His head kind of blows up a little bit and then beer shoots out of his mouth.

Elliott Kalan

[54:31] Now, Stuart, I wanted to ask, as a libations professional, could that happen?

Dan McCoy

[54:36] It's like one of the first things we have to train people about.

[54:39] We don't want that to happen.

[54:40] Usually that sharp because this one has like a spear tip.

[54:43] That's wild.

Elliott Kalan

[54:45] I assume that was for like a novelty beer because you know how they give you those handles for

[54:48] specific beers.

Stuart Wellington

[54:49] 100% what I would tell you is that much weight being put on the tap handle.

[54:54] Oh, it's going to snap right off, right?

[54:55] The pin would snap right off immediately.

[54:58] Yeah.

[54:58] Also, this is just like a wild Ghostface moment to be like, I'm going to pick up this boy and

[55:05] spear his human head on a thing and then just stand here watching it.

[55:10] Especially when we would come to learn the identity of the killers.

[55:13] It feels extra weird to me.

[55:14] Yes.

[55:15] Yes.

[55:15] We will circle back to that, certainly.

Elliott Kalan

[55:18] But it is, I feel like, but it's a fun idea for a kill.

[55:21] You know, it's really silly and gruesome.

[55:23] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[55:23] Like, I guess go more gruesome.

Elliott Kalan

[55:27] I'd rather, I'd rather they go sillier and more over the top, but it reminded me of, was

[55:32] it Sorority Row?

[55:33] The movie we did where like somewhat, they like shove a bottle down a woman's throat really

[55:38] far.

[55:39] Yeah.

[55:39] Where it was like, ugh, that's a gruesome use of a thing.

Stuart Wellington

[55:42] It's like Bugs Bunny all the time and his body turns into a bottle shape.

[55:46] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[55:47] Well, that's what the killer expected to happen.

[55:49] Yeah.

[55:49] He was really upset.

[55:50] It was like Frankenstein throwing the, you know, the kid into the lake.

[55:54] Yeah.

[55:54] Because he went to the Chuck Jones School of Medicine.

[55:56] Yeah.

[55:58] Outside, Ghostface chases Tatum.

Elliott Kalan

[56:00] No, this is only cartoon anatomy.

[56:01] It's not applicable to humans.

Dan McCoy

[56:04] He kills her boyfriend, Ben.

[56:07] Tatum runs to Sydney's coffee house and texts her mom, who lets her know that there's a gun

[56:12] in her office.

[56:13] And she's able to instruct her daughter from a distance by monitoring these security cameras,

[56:18] which lets Tatum shoot Ghostface through the wall.

Stuart Wellington

[56:21] What a cool ad for security cameras, right, guys?

[56:25] I mean, you probably should have a security camera inside a business.

[56:28] Well, are you against security cameras?

Stuart Wellington

[56:28] You're a business owner.

[56:29] I mean, I have it for insurance reasons.

Elliott Kalan

[56:33] Okay.

[56:33] I mean, I don't like the idea of public cameras that are just watching street corners.

[56:37] Yeah.

[56:37] But if you own a business, I could totally understand having a security camera inside.

Dan McCoy

[56:42] And it helps do things like shooting Ghostface through the wall.

Stuart Wellington

[56:46] That's another thing I have to train my staff on, is in case you get trapped in the office

[56:50] while Ghostface is prowling.

[56:51] Yeah, you can shoot through a wall.

[56:53] But you've got to shoot him in the head.

[56:53] He's all going to be Ghostface killers.

Elliott Kalan

[56:55] She goes, shoot him in the head to make sure he's dead, but Tatum doesn't do it.

Dan McCoy

[56:59] Yeah.

[56:59] Well, yeah.

[57:00] Even though he seems dead, she's like, you've got to shoot him in the head.

[57:03] Doesn't do it.

[57:04] He gets up.

[57:05] She's only barely able to fight him off before being confronted with a second killer at the

[57:09] door, which would be shocking if there wasn't always multiple killers.

[57:13] There's always multiples.

[57:14] Going back to the first movie.

Elliott Kalan

[57:15] That was three Ghostfaces?

[57:18] I mean, they should have had an army of Ghostfaces.

[57:22] Like, they should have had, it's a whole secret society of Ghostfaces.

[57:25] They have no personal relationship with these characters, but they decided that they need

[57:30] to fulfill Ghostface's ultimate goal of killing Neve Campbell and her family.

[57:35] Like, if you want me to write Scream 8, I'm giving you the plot for it right now.

[57:39] Just come and hire me.

Dan McCoy

[57:40] Honestly, like, that is sort of too disturbingly real sounding to me.

[57:46] Like, there's some, like, incel-esque board.

[57:48] That would be exactly what it would be.

Elliott Kalan

[57:49] Yeah, yeah.

[57:49] There's some incel-esque board that's saying, like, and not like we worship Ghostface.

[57:53] He's a god.

[57:53] But, like, wouldn't it be cool and funny if we did this?

[57:57] That Ghostface to them is the ultimate, like, the same reason the guy killed Charlie Kirk,

[58:02] where it was like, this will be a cool thing to brag about online.

[58:05] Like, there's a bunch of people who are like, Ghostface is the ultimate, I don't know what

[58:09] the word is for a cool guy online.

[58:11] Let's call him a digit-

Dan McCoy

[58:12] Chad?

Elliott Kalan

[58:13] No, because Chad is a bad thing.

Dan McCoy

[58:16] But, yeah, bad thing to incels.

[58:18] He's the ultimate alpha.

Elliott Kalan

[58:20] He's the ultimate alpha.

[58:21] He doesn't give a shit.

[58:22] We're going to do what he did.

[58:24] That's your Scream 8.

[58:25] That's your Scream 8.

[58:25] And you make it about, yeah, incel-esque board shit.

Dan McCoy

[58:27] Anyway, Ghostface tells Sidney, calls Sidney, to say he has Tatum trapped back at their home.

[58:37] She gets there to see a message from Stu on the house's various televisions and screens,

[58:43] but he changes his appearance.

[58:45] He's morphing, guys.

[58:46] Everybody's morphing these days, especially Stu.

[58:49] He becomes previous Ghostface's Nancy Loomis, Roman Bridger, and also he becomes Gail's

[58:56] late lamented ex, Officer Dewey, who guilts Sidney for all the loved ones around her who

[59:02] have died.

Elliott Kalan

[59:03] Which I'm just going to say is not Sidney's fault.

[59:05] No.

[59:06] Sidney at no point brought this on herself.

[59:09] This is not a Little Shop of Horrors type situation.

[59:11] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Dan McCoy

[59:13] Sidney finds Tatum tied to a chair, just like her dad was in the first movie, while Ghostface

[59:17] holds her at knife point, and reveals himself to be Marco slash Ethan Embry.

[59:25] Oh, you were right, Dan.

[59:26] They used to bring him back.

[59:28] He used to work in tech, which is how he was able to do things, too.

[59:31] Oh, yeah.

[59:31] Cool description.

[59:33] Cool backstory.

[59:33] Because only tech guys can do that.

[59:34] He drags Mark back into the room.

[59:38] Her husband's somehow still alive, which is so...

Stuart Wellington

[59:41] Joel McHale has infinite reserves of energy that keep him alive.

Dan McCoy

[59:46] Well, the funny thing is, it is so improbable that Marco himself comments on it within the

[59:51] movie.

[59:52] Yeah.

[59:53] Then the second Ghostface unmasked.

[59:55] And it is, of course, Anna Camp, who is another person who is too big a recognizable name

[1:00:02] to just be some lady who's hanging around on the outskirts of the movie.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:06] But yeah, and I mean, really hanging around, barely in it.

[1:00:10] Yeah.

[1:00:10] I feel like at least the earlier screams were like, let's sprinkle these characters around

[1:00:16] liberally.

[1:00:16] Yeah.

[1:00:17] So that when they're revealed, you're like shocked.

[1:00:19] As opposed to like, oh, yeah, they were here earlier.

[1:00:23] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:23] Do some stunt casting of people who don't turn out to be the killer.

[1:00:28] You know, I will say her showing up at the end as the killer made me feel a little better

[1:00:32] about her character having a teenage son where I'm like, Anna Camp is slightly younger than

[1:00:36] me.

[1:00:37] And I have a middle school aged son.

[1:00:39] I don't want to feel like I, she's not old enough to have a high school age son.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:43] At this point, she doesn't have a high school age son anymore.

[1:00:45] Speaking of her son.

Dan McCoy

[1:00:45] Because he got totally roasted.

[1:00:47] Because he got murdered by her accomplice.

[1:00:49] Yeah.

[1:00:49] Well, I have a friend who on his letterbox review did the math on who did what killings

[1:00:59] and I was too lazy to check the work.

[1:01:01] But Dan, not too lazy.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:03] You were, that was the right choice.

[1:01:05] It was the right choice not to check that work.

[1:01:06] Yeah.

[1:01:06] I didn't want to.

[1:01:07] Let's say it that way.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:08] You had other things to do with your time.

[1:01:10] But according to his math, which I trust because he's the kind of guy who would do this,

[1:01:15] that was Anna Camp who killed her own kid in that scene.

[1:01:20] Why would she do that?

[1:01:21] She's got some upper body strength.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:22] Yeah.

[1:01:22] Well, that's the other, yeah, that's one of the two unbelievable things about it.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:26] Yeah.

[1:01:26] Well, later on, she's like, he was too much like his father.

[1:01:29] But I'm like, was he?

[1:01:31] He seemed like just a kid, like a nice kid.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:35] I mean, he was kind of a creep.

[1:01:36] You know, he's into true crime stuff.

[1:01:38] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:39] Anyway, her backstory.

[1:01:41] Get him out of here is what Elliot said.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:42] I say as someone who at that age was reading all the, like, Mindhunter books about serial killers and things like that.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:49] Anna Camp is sort of Ghostface Prime.

[1:01:53] She's the mastermind here.

[1:01:54] And she explains that Sidney was in.

[1:01:56] I mean, she's very much not Ghostface Prime.

[1:01:58] That would be the characters in the first movie.

[1:01:59] Well, in this movie.

[1:02:00] In this movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:01] She's the alpha.

[1:02:01] She's the ghostface alpha.

[1:02:02] She's the alpha ghostface.

[1:02:03] Yeah.

[1:02:03] And Ethan Emery is the ghostface beta cuck.

[1:02:05] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:06] She explains that Sidney was an inspiration to her, you know, fighting back against all these killers.

[1:02:13] So she trained and got strong and killed her bad husband and got away with it.

[1:02:17] But then was disappointed.

[1:02:18] You go, girl.

[1:02:20] She was disappointed that Sidney stepped back from public life and didn't go to New York.

[1:02:25] And look, I was annoyed that Neff Campbell wasn't in the last movie, too.

[1:02:29] But I didn't kill anyone about it.

[1:02:33] Jessica was the one who spent time at the mental institution where she met Marco and the other lackey ghostface.

[1:02:40] And she wants to turn Tatum into the new Sidney by repeating the trauma that made Sidney into a survivor.

[1:02:48] And it's all, you know, more meta stuff about setting up a new final girl now that the old one is past her prime.

[1:02:54] But at a signal from Sidney, Tatum headbutts Jessica.

[1:02:58] A Sidney signal.

[1:03:00] She headbutts Jessica.

[1:03:01] And I'm thinking, wasn't the whole point supposed to be that Sidney didn't prepare her?

[1:03:04] But apparently they've got like signals for this eventuality.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:08] It's stuff that they now, because they're so close now, after going through the experience of this trauma, now they can just speak to each other in this way.

[1:03:15] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:16] And the thing is that she thinks she hasn't been trained.

[1:03:19] But these were all subconscious training that she's been doing with her daughter.

[1:03:24] Wax on, wax off.

[1:03:25] Yeah, exactly.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:27] Altered her brain.

[1:03:28] Well, it should be like, quick, dry the dishes.

[1:03:32] Huh?

[1:03:32] What?

[1:03:33] And she's blocking them.

[1:03:34] Oh, that would have been awesome.

[1:03:35] Okay, now, walk the dog.

[1:03:37] And she does the thing that.

Dan McCoy

[1:03:38] Behind that heavy dog costume she had to wear was to train her to.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:44] Exactly.

[1:03:45] Oh, now I can move like I'm superhuman because I'm used to moving with a dog costume on.

[1:03:49] Yeah.

[1:03:50] Yeah.

[1:03:51] Now, would it, I think it would have been a better movie if she had been training her daughter and her daughter was like, ugh, why do I have to do this shit?

[1:03:58] It's never going to, what are the odds this is ever going to happen again?

[1:04:00] And then it turns out, no, it does happen again.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:02] And I think it would be more in keeping with the character as we have seen her in previous movies.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:06] As opposed to, mom, do you want to try to warn me about what it's like when a killer runs after you?

[1:04:10] I don't want to talk about it.

[1:04:11] That was a bad time.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:12] I don't want to get into it.

[1:04:13] I'm tired.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:16] I was running a bakery all day.

[1:04:18] That's if I was Sydney.

[1:04:20] Do we have to?

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:22] Do I have to protect you from a killer?

[1:04:25] Another phone call.

[1:04:28] Unknown number.

[1:04:29] Great.

[1:04:30] Not answering that.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:32] I mean, there is no reason to answer those calls.

[1:04:34] I do not.

[1:04:35] I miss all kinds of doctor's appointment calls because I'm not going to answer an unknown number.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:40] Someone must have done that sketch, and if they haven't, they should, where Ghostface is dialing.

[1:04:44] They're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[1:04:45] Pick up.

[1:04:46] Pick up.

[1:04:47] Pick up.

[1:04:47] And they're just leaving message.

[1:04:48] It's me.

[1:04:49] I want to ask you if you know scary movies.

[1:04:52] Pick up, please.

[1:04:53] Okay.

[1:04:54] Call me back.

[1:04:54] I've got this whole thing planned.

[1:04:56] Like, please, just call me.

[1:04:57] That sketch must exist.

[1:04:58] If it doesn't, somebody's got to do it.

[1:05:00] Yeah, yeah.

[1:05:01] Okay, seriously now.

[1:05:02] I have other things I need to do today.

[1:05:04] I can't spend all day just calling you to taunt you.

[1:05:06] Please pick up.

[1:05:07] I know you have your phone on you.

[1:05:09] Please.

[1:05:09] You know it's me.

[1:05:10] I put a lot of work into this.

[1:05:11] I put, I have so many, look, I'm right outside.

[1:05:13] I can see you.

[1:05:14] I can see, look, you're glancing at your phone.

[1:05:17] You're silencing it.

[1:05:17] I can see you doing it.

Dan McCoy

[1:05:19] I didn't just go to IMDb Trivia for my trivia.

[1:05:22] I went to primary sources.

[1:05:24] I know this is all real.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:25] I interviewed the directors and cast of the film to find anecdotes nobody would know about.

Dan McCoy

[1:05:31] Well, then how is it trivia?

[1:05:33] Oh, you picked up.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:34] Oh, you picked up.

[1:05:35] Oh, you're there.

[1:05:36] Okay.

[1:05:37] So anyway, hey, I'm right outside.

[1:05:38] Can you let me in?

[1:05:39] Because honestly, I've been in this mask and this costume for a while.

[1:05:42] I'm getting kind of overheated.

Dan McCoy

[1:05:45] Hello?

[1:05:46] Hello?

[1:05:46] My car's been idling.

[1:05:48] I need to jump.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:49] And then Ghostface's phone rings.

[1:05:52] Hey, are you coming into work today?

[1:05:53] I'll be there.

[1:05:54] This is taking longer than I thought it would, okay?

Dan McCoy

[1:05:58] Anyway, Sidney shoots Marco.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:00] Dude, the manager's really mad.

[1:06:01] Just tell him I'm almost there.

[1:06:03] Tell him I'm almost there.

[1:06:04] Just cover it for me.

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:06] Yeah, the manager says Suncoast video won't run itself.

[1:06:12] Oh, it's a period sketch.

[1:06:14] I mean, it's a ghost face.

[1:06:16] He's got to work at Suncoast.

[1:06:17] Yeah, at a video story, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:06:20] Sidney shoots Marco.

[1:06:21] Tatum runs off.

[1:06:22] And then Sidney walks to the garage.

[1:06:25] And there's a fight.

[1:06:26] And Tatum returns to shoot Jessica just in time to save her mom.

[1:06:31] But then the body disappears again after Sidney says you got to shoot her in the head.

[1:06:35] Oh, boy.

[1:06:36] And then Jessica pops up and both of them shoot her in the head a comical number of times.

[1:06:40] They just destroy her head.

[1:06:41] The face is goo.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:42] What is it with movies now where – I get it because it's really gruesome and it's off-putting.

[1:06:47] But like I've seen a few horror movies in a row now that are newer where someone's face just gets destroyed and just gets turned into a bloody pulp.

[1:06:53] Is that just – is that what people are into now, Dan?

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:57] Yeah, I don't know.

[1:06:58] I'll ask around.

[1:07:01] Like down at the dock?

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:02] But it's almost – it's like somebody –

[1:07:04] Spread some cash around.

[1:07:04] I'm going to find out like that two years ago somebody really perfected mashed face prosthetic technology and all the directors wanted to use it really badly or something like that.

[1:07:14] You know.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:16] You know, Sidney gets her like hero line.

[1:07:19] She goes, pass my prime?

[1:07:20] Fuck you.

[1:07:21] And we get some –

[1:07:23] Then she puts sunglasses on.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:25] And he goes, ow!

[1:07:27] CSI scream.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:29] We get some callback moments.

[1:07:31] The injured Mark gets taken from the house like Dewey did in the first Scream.

[1:07:35] Claire does a remote report like Gail did at the end of the first movie.

[1:07:39] And this is, you know, it's like George Lucas says.

[1:07:40] It's all echoes.

[1:07:41] It's echoes.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:43] Art is best when it slavishly recreates its past forms.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:48] And anyway, mother and daughter finally understand each other.

[1:07:52] They have a little heart-to-heart.

[1:07:53] They hug.

[1:07:54] The nightmare is over.

[1:07:55] Scream 7.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:57] Won't you?

[1:07:57] There's a funny shot.

[1:07:58] I thought it was very funny of just a medium shot from a little bit of distance of them walking away from the house.

[1:08:03] And I was like – I couldn't help it.

[1:08:05] Why is this shot here?

[1:08:06] Why didn't we end on the previous shot?

[1:08:08] What does this represent?

[1:08:09] Why is it necessary?

[1:08:10] And I couldn't really answer it, you know.

Dan McCoy

[1:08:12] Well, you know, it's that teaching Mrs. Tingle juice that KW is bringing to the table.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:19] Did you guys – do they still make that?

[1:08:20] Do you remember when that was on all the shelves while the kids were drinking it at lunch teaching Mrs. Tingle juice?

Dan McCoy

[1:08:23] Well, it made people tingle and not in a pleasant sort of –

[1:08:27] No, in a sexual way.

[1:08:29] Weird, okay.

[1:08:29] Yeah, it could lead to convulsions, yeah.

[1:08:32] Yeah.

[1:08:33] So let's do final judgments.

[1:08:35] Oh, we finished?

[1:08:36] Is this movie – yeah.

[1:08:37] Of course, sometimes I forget them, but this time I didn't.

[1:08:41] Our special Shocktober category is this movie –

[1:08:44] Oh, can't wait to hear them again, yeah.

[1:08:45] Totally scarifying.

[1:08:47] Was it totally snorifying or was it frighteningly funny?

[1:08:53] And I'm going to – look, I'm going to give this a mild snorifying.

[1:08:58] There was – this movie, Kevin Williamson, I've given him a hard time.

[1:09:04] He's written great stuff, including the first Scream, which again, love.

[1:09:09] I don't think as a director he has a lot of facility for suspense.

[1:09:13] I just don't think this movie has much in the way of suspense on top of all of the flaws we've noted along the way.

[1:09:22] So I'm not going to say it's good.

[1:09:24] However, I did get, you know, some little, like, twinges of joy for the reasons that the filmmakers expect me to,

[1:09:31] which is I have nostalgia for this world.

[1:09:35] You know, I had the cozy Scream Slasher feelings for some of it, but basically snorifying.

[1:09:43] What do you think, Stu?

Stuart Wellington

[1:09:44] Yeah, I'm with you.

[1:09:45] I mean, there's a few moments, like, there's a moment where Joel McHale is leaning over a spilled-over toolbox in his garage,

[1:09:53] and the billowing plastic curtain blows backwards for a moment,

[1:09:58] and you can see the ghost face standing there before it blows the other way.

[1:10:01] I think there's moments like that that I think do work.

[1:10:04] But for the most part, no, this doesn't.

[1:10:07] I think this is the weakest entry in the franchise and certainly suffers from, like, the laws of diminishing returns.

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:16] Yeah, I agree.

[1:10:17] I would also call it snorifying.

[1:10:18] It's serviceable in a lot of ways, but it certainly is.

[1:10:22] Considering that that first Scream was such a breath of fresh air at the time,

[1:10:25] it certainly does feel like you're saying, Stu, this law of diminishing returns where the thing that was once new

[1:10:30] becomes increasingly more tired, you know.

[1:10:33] So there are worse movies you could watch than Scream 7, but there are much better movies that you could watch than Scream 7.

Stuart Wellington

[1:10:38] And I'm like a franchise like the Saw movies.

[1:10:40] Again, a series of movies that I feel like I am being, like, held against my will to watch have slowly won me over,

[1:10:48] and the most recent entry I think is maybe the best, if not in contention.

[1:10:54] But part of the things that makes that series work is that, like,

[1:10:58] their slavish devotion to those tropes is part of the fun,

[1:11:03] and I feel like those are actually, I don't know, they're also stupider,

[1:11:07] and that's what makes them work.

[1:11:09] I don't know.

S4

[1:11:14] Remember Archer, the Emmy-winning animated series?

[1:11:17] I sure don't.

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Elliott Kalan

[1:11:24] It was just pure punchline early on.

[1:11:26] What's great about it is you can watch it over and over again, and you're going to laugh every time.

S4

[1:11:29] I agree, Aisha.

[1:11:30] It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Dan McCoy

[1:11:32] When I rewatch it, I'm always very self-conscious about line reads.

S4

[1:11:35] Really?

[1:11:36] Yeah.

[1:11:36] Not me.

[1:11:37] I'm like, man, good work.

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S5

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Dan McCoy

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Elliott Kalan

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Elliott Kalan

[1:15:19] Before we move on with the rest of the show, I just want to take a moment to remind our listeners that FLOP TV is on the air.

[1:15:26] That's right.

[1:15:27] FLOP TV, the one-hour online video version of the Flophouse.

[1:15:31] It's like seeing a Flophouse live show right on your own computer screen and it's happening live if you watch it live.

[1:15:37] It's happening right now the first Saturday of every month.

[1:15:41] As of recording this, we are just a little bit after our first episode, the Green Book episode.

[1:15:46] We had a really fun time.

[1:15:47] We talked about that movie.

[1:15:48] Green Book.

[1:15:49] Didn't that win Best Picture?

[1:15:50] Yes.

[1:15:50] Because as you may know, the theme this year is Best Picture Winners.

[1:15:53] It's either the worst of the best or the best of the worst.

[1:15:56] We can't really keep it straight.

[1:15:58] Worst of the best.

[1:15:59] We are going to continue with even more.

[1:16:01] If this episode is coming out in October, which I think it is, again, we're recording ahead of time, then we will have done our greatest show on Earth episode on October 3rd.

[1:16:08] And the next one will be November 7th when we talk about Gladiator.

[1:16:13] Sure to be a controversial one.

[1:16:14] Stuart demanded we cover it in this series.

[1:16:17] It's all Best Picture winners.

[1:16:19] It's the first Saturday of every month.

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[1:16:29] So that's the first Saturday of the month through February, all Best Picture movies.

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[1:16:43] I really enjoyed the episode we did so far.

[1:16:45] And I'm sure I enjoyed the episode that has come out since we – this – before –

[1:16:50] Big promises.

[1:16:51] And I'm sure I enjoyed the episode that we haven't done yet but will have been done when this episode comes out.

[1:16:57] And it all culminates in February when we finally figure out if Out of Africa is a real movie or just a made-up psyop, like a Mandela effect type thing that we've all hallucinated.

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[1:17:17] Go there and go square.

[1:17:20] Does that mean anything?

[1:17:22] Maybe.

[1:17:23] Okay.

[1:17:25] Hey.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:26] Hey.

[1:17:27] Y'all wanna –

[1:17:28] What's up, dog?

[1:17:30] Wow.

[1:17:30] I feel cool now.

[1:17:31] Yeah.

[1:17:32] Y'all wanna answer some letters?

[1:17:33] Y'all –

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:34] Y'all ready for this?

[1:17:35] Which I mean answering letters?

[1:17:37] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:37] Let's talk to –

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:38] The audience doesn't know that Dan doesn't use the word y'all much in talking but over text he uses it a lot.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:44] Constantly.

[1:17:45] You know, it's a collective pronoun or whatever.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:49] We have that in New Jersey.

[1:17:51] It's you guys.

[1:17:52] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:52] Not yous?

[1:17:53] Yous?

[1:17:54] Yeah.

[1:17:54] No, no one says yous.

[1:17:55] Come on.

[1:17:56] I don't know.

[1:17:58] I'm from Illinois where we say milk funny according to you guys.

[1:18:02] You sure do.

[1:18:03] And until.

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:05] Yeah.

[1:18:06] And you say pan when you mean to say pan.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:09] Mm-hmm.

[1:18:09] Or is it the other way around?

[1:18:10] You know, I mean, I have to at this point accept that it is causing genuine confusion to the people around me.

[1:18:16] But it always – I'm always like – you can't tell from like the context of what I'm saying that I would not.

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:23] Well, Dan, I will say I heard you on the phone when you were ordering those 10-10 pin pens.

[1:18:28] It was very hard to understand for the guy.

[1:18:31] And I understood it.

[1:18:31] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:33] But not 10-10 pin pens.

[1:18:40] Hey, this one's from Ed, middle name withheld Harris.

[1:18:45] Ed McMahon?

[1:18:46] Well, apparently it's Ed Harris.

[1:18:48] Ed McMahon Harris?

[1:18:50] Ed TV Harris?

[1:18:54] This letter goes like this.

[1:18:56] Mushmouth Elliot made a reference to spinal judgments on a recent episode.

[1:19:01] What are those and how do they work?

[1:19:03] I'd love to see an episode where he rips out Stuart's spine, Mortal Kombat style, and decides if it's good, bad, bad, bad, or a spine he kind of likes.

Stuart Wellington

[1:19:11] Can I interrupt and say no?

[1:19:13] Yeah, I'll do that.

[1:19:14] Sorry, Stu.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:15] We got to do what the audience says.

[1:19:16] They're the boss.

[1:19:18] I also have a real question.

[1:19:20] Oh.

[1:19:20] I recently watched...

[1:19:21] I mean, that wasn't a question at all.

[1:19:22] No, it wasn't.

[1:19:23] Not even a fake question.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:25] Well, I could say it this way.

[1:19:27] I also have a real question.

[1:19:28] Oh, okay.

[1:19:29] Okay, yeah, yeah.

[1:19:30] See?

[1:19:31] That's where inflection comes in.

[1:19:33] Mm-hmm.

[1:19:34] Or as you call it, infliction.

[1:19:36] Directed by Paul Schrader.

[1:19:39] That was affliction.

[1:19:41] Mm-hmm.

[1:19:41] I recently watched two movies I didn't exactly love, but I find myself thinking about a lot.

[1:19:47] The 1987 Ed Harris romp Walker.

[1:19:51] I like that movie.

[1:19:52] That's a good movie.

[1:19:53] And a more recent Swedish movie, Anaria, which has the bleakest ending I've ever seen.

[1:20:01] They're both movies that I think are hard to enjoy, but still take up a lot of space in my brain.

[1:20:08] I'm curious if the peaches have similar experiences with movies they may not have liked slash loved,

[1:20:13] but still occupy some recurring cerebral real estate.

[1:20:17] Best Ed middle name withheld Harris.

[1:20:20] You know, what comes to my mind is not stuff like this where it's like,

[1:20:25] it might be too bleak for me to enjoy, but like that lodges.

[1:20:29] It's more like, as previously mentioned, shit that was on HBO a lot when I was a kid and just saw a lot.

[1:20:38] And speaking of flop TV, as we did in our personal plugs,

[1:20:43] one of these seasons has me doing a tribute to Forgotten Crap on HBO

[1:20:49] that people should check out on YouTube now that we've made it free for everyone,

[1:20:54] not just ticket holders.

[1:20:55] I think folks might enjoy that.

[1:20:57] Sure.

[1:20:57] But, you know, stuff like, I don't know, Hot to Trot or Who's Harry Crumb or the Anthony Edwards movie,

[1:21:06] Gotcha, about...

Stuart Wellington

[1:21:07] Was Second Sight on there with Bronson Pinchot?

[1:21:09] Second Sight.

[1:21:10] Oh, it should be, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:11] Yeah.

[1:21:12] That sort of stuff lodges in my brain.

[1:21:14] It's funny you mentioned...

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:15] It's funny you mentioned Hot to Trot because that is the movie I was going to mention.

[1:21:20] Really?

[1:21:20] Which is like, I saw it as a kid, did not like it, don't like it now.

[1:21:25] But I think about scenes from it all the time.

[1:21:26] Like, the scene where the horse's dad has been reincarnated as a fly and is just sitting on manure.

[1:21:32] Like, I think about that scene all the time and I don't know why.

[1:21:35] It just pops up in my head.

[1:21:36] And I'm like, of all the things I could be thinking about, why this?

[1:21:40] Why is this what's coming into my mind, you know?

[1:21:43] And it's not like I...

[1:21:44] But that's not even one that I watched a lot as a kid.

[1:21:46] I probably saw Choice, you know.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:48] But, you know, there's something that burns your head.

[1:21:51] Burns your head.

[1:21:52] Burns your head.

[1:21:52] Yeah, if it burns your head, you're going to remember it probably.

[1:21:55] Unless it burns it so much that it affects your memory.

[1:21:57] The trotting makes it so hot that it burns your head.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:00] Well, he has to trot because he's so hot.

[1:22:02] You know, it's the only way to cool off.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:05] I don't know.

[1:22:06] I mean, I feel like I identify with this feeling of bleak things.

[1:22:10] Like, I remember what a few years ago, catching up with Smile 2 and being like,

[1:22:18] I hate watching this movie.

[1:22:20] I think it is very bleak and I think it has far too many rug pulls.

[1:22:24] But I found myself still thinking about it long after.

[1:22:30] I would...

[1:22:31] I mean, I feel like I now respect it more than I did on the first watch.

[1:22:36] But it is a movie that I'm like, this has clearly affected me.

[1:22:40] I just don't know if I like it.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:43] It's interesting how, like, mileage varies on this kind of thing.

[1:22:47] Because, like, I agree it has too many rug pulls.

[1:22:50] But it never...

[1:22:51] Like, I didn't get the bleakness.

[1:22:52] I got sort of, like, a little bit, not as funny, but a little bit of, like, the gleeful,

[1:22:56] like, Sam Raimi, like, we're going to be mean in this movie.

[1:23:00] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:00] You were like, can't be bleak.

[1:23:01] They're smiling.

[1:23:02] Look at all those smiles.

[1:23:03] Yeah.

[1:23:04] Smiles for miles.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:05] I mean, it's not a bleak house.

[1:23:06] Oof.

[1:23:07] No.

[1:23:07] Oh, boy.

[1:23:08] Don't be in that house.

[1:23:09] It's so bleak.

[1:23:09] Yeah.

[1:23:10] But outside, real nice.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:12] Mm-hmm.

[1:23:13] Yeah, the bleak is just inside the house.

[1:23:14] You just got to leave the house.

[1:23:15] That's the problem.

[1:23:16] Get out of the bleak house.

[1:23:17] You know what?

[1:23:18] Mm-hmm.

[1:23:18] Just stop the lawsuit.

[1:23:19] Get out of there.

[1:23:20] Get out of the bleak house.

[1:23:22] Who cares if whether...

[1:23:23] Kimmel Dorotoro's mad at you guys right now.

[1:23:25] If Jarndis is unhappy with Jarndis, just leave it alone.

[1:23:29] Leave it alone.

[1:23:30] Get out of that bleak house, you know?

[1:23:32] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:35] I saw the paranormal activity Broadway show.

[1:23:41] And one of the things I...

[1:23:42] Didn't know that existed.

[1:23:43] One of the things I liked about that show was there came a point in the second act where

[1:23:47] someone came in to let one of the main characters...

[1:23:51] You know, just reveal the information that one of the main characters had been fired

[1:23:54] because they hadn't been to work for a long time.

[1:23:57] Because of all the paranormal activity, yeah.

[1:23:58] The one thing that I kind of found scary about the show was suddenly realizing how much

[1:24:04] this had consumed this person and that they hadn't left the house for several weeks.

[1:24:10] On the other hand, I was also like, why aren't you just leaving the house?

[1:24:14] You could just leave the house.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:16] You could.

[1:24:16] You don't have to be in there.

[1:24:17] I mean, as a homeowner, I will tell you, a lot of your economic worth is sunk into that

[1:24:23] house.

[1:24:24] So when people are like, the house is haunted.

[1:24:25] Just get out of there.

[1:24:26] It's like, it's not that easy to walk away from a house.

[1:24:28] Like, I know people who, their houses were destroyed in fire and it's hard for them to

[1:24:32] walk away from that property that easily, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:34] I mean, ultimately...

[1:24:35] My parents bought this house, you know, when they were straight out of college for a hay

[1:24:40] penny.

[1:24:41] I can't sell it.

[1:24:42] I can't walk away from my $10 million house now.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:45] I mean, ultimately it was like...

[1:24:46] I mean, I don't think that's the situation in the paranormal activity movies, right?

[1:24:50] Well, especially...

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:50] It's a Broadway show, first off, Ellie.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:53] Sorry, you're right.

[1:24:54] Well, in this case, actually, the business was paying for the house, so there was no

[1:24:58] reason not to leave the house.

[1:24:59] Oh, then they could have just left you.

[1:25:00] We should have known.

[1:25:01] Then they should have gotten out of there.

[1:25:02] But it was...

[1:25:02] It did turn out to be an...

[1:25:04] Was it like an edible arrangements business?

[1:25:06] What kind of business was it?

[1:25:07] I don't know what the business...

[1:25:09] It did turn out to be an insidious situation where the person was haunted and not the house.

[1:25:13] So leaving the house wouldn't have...

[1:25:15] It wouldn't have helped at all anyway.

[1:25:16] Ultimately helped.

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:16] So why are we even talking about this?

[1:25:17] Did they do...

[1:25:18] To make it look like found footage...

[1:25:20] To make it look like found footage, they put a frame around the whole stage with a...

[1:25:24] And it said wreck with a red dot next to it?

[1:25:26] I would hope so, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:25:27] The thing that they did was...

[1:25:30] Obviously, you can't do found footage, but they have sort of a cross-section of a whole

[1:25:34] house so you can see all of the house at once.

[1:25:37] Yeah, they didn't invent that, Dan.

[1:25:38] I've seen that in other places.

[1:25:39] But it's kind of a cool application for a horror thing where it's like you don't know

[1:25:43] where you're looking necessarily.

[1:25:46] Oh, I see.

[1:25:46] So something could happen in one corner of the house.

[1:25:48] It's a good idea.

[1:25:49] The other...

[1:25:50] But the problem with that, especially for me who is getting older and eyes aren't great...

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:56] You're like, just tell me where to look.

[1:25:57] I don't have the...

[1:25:57] I can't figure this out.

Dan McCoy

[1:25:58] I mean, like the audience would be reacting to stuff.

[1:26:00] I'm like, what?

[1:26:00] Where?

[1:26:01] What?

[1:26:02] What do you think is...

[1:26:03] I like to be scared.

[1:26:04] Wait, where's Tony Collette at?

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:06] So the thing that I...

[1:26:08] The exact thing that I didn't want to have happen to me with Sleep No More, which is why

[1:26:12] I didn't go see it, was happening to you with a regular play.

[1:26:15] Yeah.

[1:26:15] Because I knew if I went to see Sleep No More, I'd be like, I know I'm missing all sorts

[1:26:18] of stuff.

[1:26:18] Like, what's going on?

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:19] It's all the FOMO fear, right?

[1:26:20] Yeah.

[1:26:22] On the subject of movies and Broadway, I was happy to know that Dan received two messages

[1:26:27] the other day when it was announced that there's a Now You See Me special Broadway magic

[1:26:33] show.

[1:26:33] One from me and one from Audrey, both being like, we gotta go to this dude.

[1:26:37] You gotta go to that.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:38] You gotta go see that.

[1:26:39] I appreciate that they bothered finding one magician that looked kind of like Isla Fisher

[1:26:43] and then the three guys are just guys.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:46] One guy's got a hat like Woody Arrelson has.

[1:26:48] That's the four horsemen dude.

[1:26:50] You have an Isla Fisher, maybe a Lizzie Kaplan, and then one guy with a hat.

[1:26:54] That's it.

[1:26:55] That's all you need.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:55] I mean, to be honest, if you're looking for a guy with a hat, magicians are the place

[1:26:59] to look.

[1:27:00] It's not going to be hard.

Dan McCoy

[1:27:02] Where they keep all their rabbits.

[1:27:06] And also behind a fence.

[1:27:08] Well, John, last name withheld, is the next letter writer.

[1:27:12] His last name actually dies at the end.

[1:27:14] Oh, wow.

[1:27:16] I have been listening through some older episodes.

[1:27:19] On a live show from 2017, the return of Xander Cage, Elliot expressed genuine horror and disgust

[1:27:26] at mention of the song Kokomo.

[1:27:28] My question regards the duality of man.

[1:27:32] The holding of two disparate ideas in one's head.

[1:27:35] It's John Stamos.

[1:27:36] Elliot.

[1:27:38] Elliot, how do you love blue bad-a-dee?

[1:27:42] It felt gross to type that out.

[1:27:44] And so hate Kokomo, both of which are impossibly annoying.

[1:27:48] What are the various ways in which a song can be annoying?

[1:27:50] And do you take any such lessons for your own annoying song methodology?

[1:27:54] Dan and Stu, do you have any examples of the same?

[1:27:56] Perhaps on theme, two extremely bad movies, only one of which you love.

[1:28:00] I'll take my answer off the air.

[1:28:02] John, last name withheld.

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:03] Well, I don't know how we would deliver that answer off the air at this point.

[1:28:07] But I will say, I'll try to be brief that.

[1:28:09] So I'm blue, Dabadi, is an annoying song.

[1:28:14] It's a dumb, annoying song.

[1:28:15] I find it to be so funny because the premise is so silly that it's just, the guy is blue.

[1:28:20] That's what, it's not a metaphor.

[1:28:21] He lives in a blue world.

[1:28:22] He lives in a blue world.

[1:28:23] His car is blue.

[1:28:24] His house is blue.

[1:28:25] And it's so fast-paced and it's so easy to use it to annoy people with.

[1:28:29] Kokomo, I think it's partly because I was a kid when it was super popular and it was everywhere.

[1:28:33] But it's always sounded very cloying and kind of gross and self-satisfied and smug.

[1:28:38] And it sounds to me like, this is the story of that song to me, is a middle-aged or older man with money is hitting on a young woman and is being like, yeah, I'll take you to my private island, babe.

[1:28:47] And he calls her pretty mama, which is disgusting.

[1:28:49] I don't like that.

[1:28:50] Like, it's just gross.

[1:28:51] You never call your wife pretty mama?

[1:28:53] I never call my wife pretty mama.

[1:28:55] Try it today and see what happens.

[1:28:57] We also, I will.

[1:28:58] I mean, she is a pretty mama.

[1:29:00] She has two children and she's beautiful.

[1:29:01] But I think the, the, but also like.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:03] She'll never listen to this episode.

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:04] So we'll never hear this stunning tribute from L.A.

[1:29:07] She'll never know that I like her.

[1:29:10] But we also don't call each other babe, which is the thing I only see people do in movies.

Dan McCoy

[1:29:15] I do.

[1:29:16] Okay.

[1:29:16] That's fine.

[1:29:17] I've used it.

[1:29:17] Not, not, not a lot.

[1:29:19] But yeah.

[1:29:19] We don't do that.

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:19] I'm like, babe.

[1:29:21] Yeah, I don't do that.

[1:29:22] We only call each other, uh, uh, uh, smushy nuffy muffin.

[1:29:25] Is that okay?

[1:29:26] Is that too good?

[1:29:26] No, we don't say that.

[1:29:27] Oh man, only during sex, please.

[1:29:29] Only during sex.

[1:29:30] Yeah.

[1:29:30] With real intensity.

[1:29:32] But I, but Kokomo just felt, even as a kid.

[1:29:34] No, no, no.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:34] Baby voices.

[1:29:35] I don't want to be insane.

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:36] For me, Kokomo is not just a bad sounding song that is bad.

[1:29:40] It is also, it, it is so wrapped up in my head with all the things I don't like about the

[1:29:45] baby boomer generation being smug and full of its fucking self.

[1:29:49] And so that's what it really, whereas I'm blue.

[1:29:51] If you're reaching for anything, maybe it's about being gay and trying to find a connection,

[1:29:56] which is, I'm not gay myself, but it's, but it's a, it's a story that I find affecting

[1:30:01] when I see it in other forms.

[1:30:02] But I think it's really just about a guy who's blue and wants to tell you he's blue.

[1:30:06] I love the open, the, the, the, the spoken word part at the beginning that explains to

[1:30:10] you what the song is about.

[1:30:11] I love it.

[1:30:12] I think it's so funny and dumb, but Kokomo I find disgusting and abhorrent.

[1:30:16] Like it stands for things I find abhorrent, you know?

Dan McCoy

[1:30:18] Yeah.

[1:30:19] I, the thing is like, we could psychoanalyze ourselves and we, and we will.

[1:30:24] We will.

[1:30:24] Yeah.

[1:30:25] But in the after show, a lot of these things kind of come down to small differences that

[1:30:33] don't necessarily make full sense to even yourself.

[1:30:36] Like why it bothers you so much.

[1:30:38] I mean, like you, that was a good explanation.

[1:30:40] I feel the same way about Kokomo.

[1:30:41] But I also don't like the sound of Kokomo.

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:43] Like, which is not even just the lyrics, the sound where it's like that kind of like, it

[1:30:47] just feels, it's like, like steel drums are fine.

[1:30:50] The way they use them, it just feels super smug and like just grow.

[1:30:54] Like that song sounds to me like a guy with money who can buy whatever he wants going to an island

[1:31:01] and just, and just lording it over the people who live there.

[1:31:05] Like it all, it all sounds great.

Stuart Wellington

[1:31:06] And there's like a soft singing thing where they're like, you're like, I can't hear this

[1:31:09] guy.

[1:31:10] I have to lean in.

[1:31:11] Like, it's terrible.

Dan McCoy

[1:31:15] It sucks.

[1:31:15] All of it sucks.

[1:31:16] You know?

[1:31:16] But to get to, I, sometimes I just don't fully know what the deal is.

[1:31:24] Like, uh, I'm going to spoil Shocktober a little bit and say I had a violently negative reaction

[1:31:31] to Five Nights at Freddy's 2, a movie that was coming up.

[1:31:34] And I'm like, why is this movie making me so like rage filled in a way that like others

[1:31:40] similarly, like just dumb or poorly made movies don't.

[1:31:46] And I like, I can stab at some ideas why, but also like, I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:31:50] You should stab it.

[1:31:50] If it's Five Nights at Freddy's, stabbing is the appropriate thing to do.

[1:31:53] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:31:54] But it's like, I don't know.

[1:31:55] It just did.

[1:31:55] And like, I do think that like, it is good to examine one's own reactions, emotional reactions.

[1:32:02] But sometimes also I think people try and pretend like things are more rational than they are.

[1:32:07] Like they come up with a rational reason afterwards when Audrey and I talk about this a lot with

[1:32:12] like pop culture stuff.

[1:32:13] Sometimes it's okay just to be like, I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:15] It wasn't for me.

[1:32:16] I know.

[1:32:16] I mean, people ask people, we talked about this before on the podcast.

[1:32:19] I don't like fruit.

[1:32:19] I don't like any of it.

[1:32:20] People go, why?

[1:32:22] Don't know, man.

[1:32:23] Just the way I'm built.

[1:32:24] It's just not a thing I enjoy.

[1:32:26] There's no, and I can try to rationalize, eh, I don't like that.

[1:32:29] Like the stickiness of the texture or how strong the smells are.

[1:32:32] I don't know.

[1:32:32] But really it's just, it's just not a thing I like.

[1:32:34] So in the end, I feel like food is like such a, like a basic thing.

Stuart Wellington

[1:32:38] It's just not for me.

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:42] Yeah.

[1:32:43] And I think, I think Dan, you're right that there would be a, I think that there would

[1:32:46] be a healthier relationship between creative work and the, and certainly the internet community.

[1:32:53] If we could accept that, that movies or songs are like food in that way where some stuff

[1:32:57] you just don't like.

[1:32:58] No, you have to justify your feelings on this thing.

[1:33:00] Tell me why.

[1:33:00] Tell me.

[1:33:01] I remember after the, after the dark night came out, a coworker came up to me and was

[1:33:04] like, tell me why that's a good movie.

[1:33:06] Cause I thought it sucked.

[1:33:07] And I'm like, I don't have to tell you why it's a good movie.

[1:33:09] If you didn't like it, that's cool.

[1:33:11] Like, I don't need to tell you.

[1:33:12] I don't need to convince you.

Dan McCoy

[1:33:13] Elliot presumed combing his Zen garden.

[1:33:17] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:33:18] Yeah.

[1:33:19] No, I mean, I think that.

[1:33:19] That's what you call it, right?

[1:33:20] Combing?

[1:33:21] Not rake.

[1:33:21] Yeah.

[1:33:21] Combing.

[1:33:22] You don't rake it.

[1:33:22] You use a comb.

[1:33:23] Yeah.

[1:33:23] It's like, it's like that scene in Spaceballs.

[1:33:25] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:33:26] Well, and that's also the fact that like, that's the way that there's a certain mentality,

[1:33:31] especially, I think it's also like a very immature mentality of like, there's a way

[1:33:36] that you can break a work of art down and like break it down into clear objective elements

[1:33:44] that point to its value.

[1:33:47] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[1:33:48] And ultimately you can do that to an extent in terms of the quality of execution maybe,

[1:33:53] but you can't force someone to like a thing because it is supposed to, like I'm reading

[1:33:58] this biography of Edgar Allan Poe right now and it's getting, that was very much his philosophy

[1:34:01] that poetry is at base, a kind of mechanical functioning thing and that you can objectively

[1:34:09] have a poem that delivers the effects for beauty in a way that is objectively identifiable and

[1:34:16] aesthetically provable.

[1:34:18] And everyone else was like, I don't know, Eddie, like, I don't know, Eddie, baby.

[1:34:22] I don't know if that's how it works, but I think you're right, Stu.

[1:34:24] And I think Edgar Allan Poe is wrong.

[1:34:26] Edgar Allan Poe, the anti-abolitionist drunk, is not right in this case.

[1:34:31] And I say that being, I like Edgar Allan Poe's work.

[1:34:33] Yeah.

[1:34:34] So.

Dan McCoy

[1:34:35] Let's do some recommendations of movies that might be better uses of your time.

[1:34:39] Oh, yeah.

[1:34:40] I want to.

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:41] Wait, a better use of your time than the seventh movie in the Scream series?

Dan McCoy

[1:34:45] I want to recommend a movie that I got to see at the end of its run just the other day.

[1:34:52] So it will definitely be out of theaters by the time this episode drops like two or three

[1:34:58] weeks from now or whatever it is.

[1:35:01] But part of why I want to recommend it even so is like I feel like it deserves a little more attention

[1:35:06] once it makes it to streaming or whatever.

[1:35:11] And that movie is The End of Oak Street, which I didn't.

[1:35:15] I was excited about when everyone was like, this is like a Twilight Zone movie.

[1:35:20] This is like an Amblin Entertainment throwback.

[1:35:22] I'm like, great.

[1:35:23] Sounds great.

[1:35:24] Like, I was really excited by it.

[1:35:26] I'll be honest, it didn't like give me like the overwhelming like, man, I love this thing

[1:35:33] that I was looking for out of those touch points.

[1:35:36] But part of why I'm recommending it anyway is it's still a very skillful piece of science

[1:35:45] fiction, light horror filmmaking with, you know, two very strong actors at its core, Ewan

[1:35:53] McGregor and Anne Hathaway.

[1:35:55] Hometown girl, Annie.

[1:35:57] And it is a little meaner than you expect, a little scary than you expect.

[1:36:04] And it is based, you know, not on existing IP.

[1:36:09] And I was listening to this other podcast and they were very positive about it.

[1:36:13] They were like, you know, I'm glad this movie got made.

[1:36:17] They liked the movie, but they were like a little baffled by the fact that it did get

[1:36:23] made.

[1:36:23] And I'm like, where are we at, man?

[1:36:27] Where are we at?

[1:36:28] That like a movie with two stars, that's about a suburban neighborhood that goes back to dinosaur

[1:36:35] times.

[1:36:36] Like, like that seems like a bad bet.

[1:36:39] And again, the movie didn't like, it wasn't a hit.

[1:36:41] Like I think that eventually it might make its money back over the years.

[1:36:46] On video through Blockbuster?

[1:36:47] Well, yeah, that's the problem.

[1:36:48] We don't have those like markets the same way, but.

Stuart Wellington

[1:36:50] So I shouldn't head over to Polly Market and put bats on a seatbelt.

[1:36:53] I would.

Dan McCoy

[1:36:54] Well, I would encourage people maybe.

[1:36:56] The other end of Oak Street.

Stuart Wellington

[1:36:57] I should probably watch the movie.

[1:36:58] Maybe rent it at home.

[1:36:59] I just have a sickness.

Dan McCoy

[1:37:01] Maybe rent it at home because I do think that it's good to have these movies that are,

[1:37:07] you know, skillful blockbuster filmmaking.

[1:37:12] And I find it strange that we're at a place where like, oh, what a risk to do a movie about

[1:37:17] dinosaurs in the suburbs.

[1:37:20] Because it's not based on anything.

[1:37:21] Yeah.

[1:37:21] A movie that like, you know, 20 years ago would not have been looked strange at all,

Elliott Kalan

[1:37:28] you know, but whatever.

[1:37:30] We don't have time for this tangent.

[1:37:32] I would, I would love to do a tangent at some point about at a certain point, film

[1:37:35] criticism also became film business criticism.

[1:37:38] Yeah.

[1:37:38] And it's not new.

[1:37:39] I think it goes back to like, anytime a movie was really expensive, critics were like, fuck

[1:37:43] this movie.

[1:37:44] I'm going to judge it on how much it costs.

[1:37:46] Yeah.

[1:37:46] Fuck you, Waterworld.

[1:37:47] And then the, and I think the best criticism is about the product, the product, and maybe

[1:37:53] if necessary, how the product was created by the people who created it, but not about

[1:37:57] like, where does this fit in the market of films right now?

[1:38:00] And I feel like there's a lot of that in reviews now.

[1:38:02] And I don't like it particularly.

Dan McCoy

[1:38:02] Well, that was what made me, I mean, like, I like these people, but like,

[1:38:05] it made me annoyed at the framing of it.

[1:38:08] Cause I was just like, you are buying into like the structure of the studios when you

[1:38:14] are making this, like, how did they do that?

[1:38:17] Like, why would anyone have made this movie?

[1:38:19] Like taking this risk?

[1:38:20] You know, I'm like, shut up.

[1:38:22] Don't be cogs to the machine.

[1:38:23] You're supposed to be on the other side of this.

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:24] You should be like, this is a good movie.

[1:38:25] You should be, if you like it, oh, they should make more movies like this.

[1:38:28] I hope they make more movies like this.

[1:38:29] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:38:29] Who let an executive have a letterboxed account is what Dan said.

Dan McCoy

[1:38:32] Yeah.

[1:38:35] I'm going to recommend two movies.

[1:38:36] Can I do that?

[1:38:37] Yeah, do it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:38:37] Okay.

[1:38:38] So I'm going to recommend, uh, I'm going to recommend, uh, kind of a, the, uh, kind

[1:38:44] of a returning fave of the flop house.

[1:38:46] Uh, this is the sequel.

[1:38:48] This is the spiritual sequel to the guest.

[1:38:50] I'm recommending onslaught, the new movie from Adam Wingard and Simon Barrett.

[1:38:55] Uh, it is a slasher movie disguised as like an eighties, uh, or nineties action movie about

[1:39:02] a trio of evil super soldiers who get loose and bedevil a trailer park.

[1:39:08] Um, and it is, uh, it has a great score.

[1:39:12] It has some great music.

[1:39:13] It has, uh, Dan Stevens in a wacky outfit.

[1:39:18] Uh, have you seen it, Dan?

[1:39:19] I haven't seen it yet.

[1:39:20] Oh man.

[1:39:21] I mean, um, this is, uh, I would say I will, like, I will couch this recommendation in the

[1:39:28] fact that I think like it is a lot of foreplay, like a lot of buildup and I don't think it

[1:39:35] has enough payoff.

[1:39:36] Um, but I think part of that is because the buildup is spoken like a man, but it's because

[1:39:41] of the, like the buildup is so good that you're like, Jesus, like it's, uh, it got me so worked

[1:39:47] up that when the end came, I'm like, oh, it was kind of a letdown.

[1:39:50] Um, so, but it's still, you know, I think it's still worth your time, especially if,

[1:39:54] uh, you're a fan of the aforementioned The Guest.

[1:39:57] Um, but the other movie I want to recommend is the new Gregoraki movie, I Want Your Sex.

[1:40:02] It's so funny and silly and it's got like, and just an incredible performance from Olivia

[1:40:08] Wilde and the costumes are great and the set design is great.

[1:40:13] Uh, and it's like funny and silly and sexy.

[1:40:16] It's, yeah, it's, yeah, it's just great.

[1:40:18] And like, it even, it's a movie that deals with a lot of kind of cliched, uh, ideas of

[1:40:24] the way that like people approach art, but it still feels fresh and fun.

[1:40:28] I don't know.

[1:40:28] It's great.

[1:40:29] Yeah.

[1:40:29] Thumbs up.

Elliott Kalan

[1:40:31] Uh, I'm going to recommend two movies.

[1:40:33] Also, one of those movies is a movie I'm sure you've heard of.

[1:40:36] It's called Coyote versus Acme.

[1:40:38] Uh, I went to see it.

[1:40:39] It was exactly what I wanted from that movie.

[1:40:41] It's really funny.

[1:40:43] It's got a lot of Looney Tunes characters in it and it, they, and they feel right.

[1:40:48] Like their characterization most of the one thing that doesn't feel right in is they, the

[1:40:51] way that they handle Bugs Bunny where I'm like, are you not going to get involved?

[1:40:55] Bugs?

[1:40:55] Like, are you not going to like solve this problem?

[1:40:57] But at least when he's on screen, he feels.

[1:41:00] Yes.

[1:41:00] He feels like Bugs Bunny.

[1:41:02] It's, but it's a little bit like if Superman showed up in the middle of a, of a, uh, Martian

[1:41:06] Man Hunter movie and was like, here's this problem you got to deal with, MM.

[1:41:09] And Martian Man would be like, uh, well, why don't you deal with it?

[1:41:11] Cause like you, you have all my powers and more.

[1:41:13] But, uh, I think, uh, but I re it was, I had heard the hype about it and, um, and it

[1:41:19] lived up to it.

[1:41:19] I thought it was really funny.

[1:41:20] Like it's, and it knows when to, it has a certain amount of emotion to it, which I appreciate

[1:41:25] it.

[1:41:25] But there are a couple of points in the movie where you can see the movie at a crossroads.

[1:41:29] Do I take the emotional story beat road or do you take the silly road?

[1:41:34] And it takes the silly road most of the time.

[1:41:36] And I really liked that a lot.

[1:41:37] So it was genuinely, it's genuinely funny.

[1:41:39] Like I was genuinely laughing out loud at it.

Dan McCoy

[1:41:41] You know, I, I want to give a special shout out.

[1:41:43] Um, I have, uh, Audrey and I have come to, uh, know, uh, filmmaker, uh, Ben David Grabinski

[1:41:49] through some movie nerd things in town.

[1:41:52] And in addition to doing a little, uh, writing on that movie, he also, uh, came to oversee

[1:41:59] the 40X programming of it because he is a weird, uh, uh, fan of the form.

[1:42:06] All right.

[1:42:07] Interesting.

[1:42:07] The silly form and, um, like, you know, wanted it to be done as well and artistically as possible.

[1:42:15] Like he like went and watched the movie several times in 40X seats and made little notes about

[1:42:21] like, change this, change this, change this.

[1:42:24] More water.

[1:42:26] Yeah.

[1:42:26] And so he invited, uh, a bunch of people to a 40X, uh, screening of it.

[1:42:33] And it was fun to like sit there, uh, near the guy who was responsible for, uh, the notes.

[1:42:40] Was he looming over you watching you the whole time with a notepad?

[1:42:44] Um, like some kind of Acme scientist.

[1:42:47] I mean, afterward he was certainly like, eh, eh.

[1:42:49] Uh, and, uh, it was a great, you know, normally this is not a format for a lot of types of

[1:42:55] movies, but for this movie.

[1:42:57] Speak for yourself.

[1:42:59] For this movie, it was a lot of fun.

Elliott Kalan

[1:43:00] You don't want to see that, that, uh, Green Book 40X conversion where they're just throwing

[1:43:03] chicken wings and things at you during the movie?

[1:43:05] Blowing garlic smells.

Dan McCoy

[1:43:06] I mean, you would love if chicken wings got thrown at you, Ali.

[1:43:08] I don't necessarily want them thrown at me.

Elliott Kalan

[1:43:10] I'd like them served to me.

[1:43:11] The wing is not my favorite part of the bird.

[1:43:12] That's the thigh, of course.

Dan McCoy

[1:43:14] If it's a choice between no wings being thrown at you.

Elliott Kalan

[1:43:16] Oh, then I'll certainly take, if the choice between no wings to eat at all and having them

[1:43:19] thrown at me, I'll definitely take door number two.

Stuart Wellington

[1:43:22] Yeah, we're talking about a situation where you're a beggar, not a chooser.

Dan McCoy

[1:43:24] It was very nice of him to, uh, you know, uh, arrange it.

[1:43:28] So a few folks could get, uh, a free screening, uh, of 40X.

[1:43:33] And, uh, and I, I co-signed that this was a very fun, like this was my favorite, probably

[1:43:40] like Looney Tunes thing since the actual Looney Tunes.

[1:43:43] I think so, yeah.

[1:43:44] Not the second Space Jam movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:43:46] But I would say if you're on the fence about seeing Coyote vs. Zach Mead, I'd say go ahead

[1:43:50] and see it.

[1:43:50] If you're a Looney Tunes fan, they do a really good job.

[1:43:52] It's really funny.

Stuart Wellington

[1:43:53] I feel like there's a ton of, there's enough Easter eggs, but they're done in a way where

[1:43:56] it's like, you don't need them.

Elliott Kalan

[1:43:59] But they're there and if you like them, they're great.

[1:44:00] Exactly.

[1:44:01] The one criticism I have, I don't, I don't think the Peter Lorre character sounded enough

[1:44:05] like Peter Lorre, but you know, that's me.

[1:44:07] That was my one, one criticism.

[1:44:09] Um, the other movie I want to recommend is a, is a very, very, very low budget movie from

[1:44:14] 2023 called T-Blockers.

[1:44:16] This is an Australian kind of horror film.

[1:44:18] That's about a, uh, it's written and directed by Alice Mayo McKay.

[1:44:22] And it is about a, uh, a young woman who is trans in Australia.

[1:44:27] She wants to be a film director and is having trouble getting her low budget filming off

[1:44:31] the ground.

[1:44:32] And then at a certain point, um, kind of, uh, worms start coming out of the earth that turn

[1:44:38] men into violent monsters that are just attacking people, attacking women and trans women, especially.

[1:44:43] Like the screwfly solution?

[1:44:45] Kind of.

[1:44:45] It is a little bit like the screwfly solution, except the movie is much, the, the horror elements

[1:44:50] of it, I think are kind of the less successful elements of it.

[1:44:53] And otherwise it feels, I think it works really well as like just a very kind of honest look

[1:44:58] at being a young trans person that is not sensationalized, but it's also not like, um, but it's just

[1:45:04] taken for granted in a way that like, this is their life.

[1:45:07] And I, I found it very charming in a lot of ways, but I would say don't go into it.

[1:45:11] Look, looking for, um, kind of like big horror scares or anything like that.

[1:45:16] If anything, it's almost more of a, um, it becomes kind of more of a revenge fantasy.

[1:45:20] Movie than a, than a horror film.

[1:45:22] But, uh, but it was, I think the people who made it, um, deserve to get attention so they

[1:45:28] can make bigger things.

[1:45:28] Oh, the filmmaker was 19.

[1:45:30] Yeah.

[1:45:30] I mean, it feels, it feels like a movie made by, by really talented young people.

[1:45:34] But I enjoyed it a lot.

[1:45:35] I thought it was, I thought it was really, uh, some, I think it was, uh, I found it really

[1:45:39] affecting.

[1:45:40] But again, it's not like scary necessarily.

[1:45:43] But anyway, that's T blockers.

Dan McCoy

[1:45:45] Added it to my watch list.

[1:45:47] Um, and, uh, Hey, why don't you add this to your to-do list and give, uh, the flop house

[1:45:54] a five-star review on Apple podcasts.

[1:45:57] I'm just going to say this, uh, outright as a, as an older podcast, a podcast that's been,

[1:46:02] been around for a while.

[1:46:03] Yeah.

[1:46:03] It really helps if like, say all of you at once did something like that, game the, game

[1:46:10] the system, uh, you know, uh, make the algo stand up and take notice.

[1:46:15] Is that what algorithms do?

[1:46:16] I don't know.

[1:46:16] They do.

Elliott Kalan

[1:46:17] They stamp it.

[1:46:17] They stand up and, and cheer at the flash entering the speed force and then they take notice.

[1:46:20] So if, if, if you, everyone listening to this podcast today, while you're listening, just

[1:46:25] go ahead and leave a five-star review on whatever podcast app you used to, to get this.

[1:46:29] That would really help us a lot.

[1:46:30] We would very much appreciate it.

Dan McCoy

[1:46:32] Uh, yeah.

[1:46:33] And thank you.

[1:46:34] Thank you for, uh, sticking with us and for doing that.

[1:46:37] Uh, and you know what, you know what?

[1:46:39] I don't know whether you did it or not.

[1:46:40] So take it, you can take the thank you, keep it no matter what.

[1:46:44] Even if you didn't do it.

[1:46:45] Only you know you're lying to yourself.

Elliott Kalan

[1:46:47] Actually, you know what?

[1:46:48] And if you could do that, I'm going to ask for this again, I think.

[1:46:50] I am, I'm looking, checking up joke farming on amazon.com.

[1:46:53] I am one review away from 50 reviews.

[1:46:55] And I think at 50 reviews, that algorithm starts paying more attention.

[1:46:59] So while you're listening to this, first, go leave a five-star review for the

[1:47:02] Flophouse at the podcaster of your choice, the pod app.

[1:47:05] Then go to amazon.com.

[1:47:06] If you've read joke farming, you liked it.

[1:47:07] Why don't you leave a review?

[1:47:08] Positive, I hope.

[1:47:09] And then, uh, that'll help me too.

[1:47:11] I love for him.

[1:47:12] And by helping me, you help Dan and Stuart, kind of.

Dan McCoy

[1:47:15] Kind of, yeah.

[1:47:16] Yeah.

[1:47:16] Unless you help Elliot too much, and then he leaves us behind.

[1:47:19] Mm-hmm.

[1:47:19] That would never happen, Dan.

[1:47:20] That would never happen.

Elliott Kalan

[1:47:21] I can only become richer and richer and have more time for Flophouse things.

Stuart Wellington

[1:47:24] I believe I have a contract thing where I will forever be his, like, turtle character that'll

[1:47:31] be dragged.

[1:47:32] Turtle character.

[1:47:32] Turtle from Entourage.

[1:47:33] Oh.

[1:47:34] Yeah, yeah.

[1:47:34] I'll be, like, dragged along in his wake.

Elliott Kalan

[1:47:36] This was an agreement we actually did make a long time ago, that Stuart would always be

[1:47:39] my turtle.

[1:47:39] Yeah.

[1:47:40] Uh-huh.

[1:47:41] Sweet.

[1:47:41] I have this whole costume.

[1:47:46] Uh-huh.

[1:47:47] It's for when I go to the turtle club.

[1:47:48] I mean, we're recording this on September 11th, so you're wearing a turtle costume is actually

[1:47:52] very, uh, very appropriate.

[1:47:54] Appropriate, right.

[1:47:54] That's how Dana Carvey was dressed when he learned.

[1:47:57] Oh, no, not when he learned.

[1:47:57] When he, they had this moment of silence for that day.

[1:47:59] As we talked about during our Master Disguise show.

[1:48:01] Yep.

Dan McCoy

[1:48:02] It all ties in.

Elliott Kalan

[1:48:03] It's a good show where everything ties in.

[1:48:07] It's a clockwork mechanism.

[1:48:09] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:48:09] It all comes together.

[1:48:11] And thank you for listening.

[1:48:12] And thanks, Maximum Fun, our podcast network, for having us.

[1:48:17] There are a lot of other great shows on that network.

[1:48:19] Go to MaximumFun.org.

[1:48:21] Mm-hmm.

[1:48:21] Check them out.

[1:48:22] Thank you to Alex Smith, whom, by the time this will have dropped, we'll have seen already,

[1:48:27] but now we're looking forward to seeing him in Louisville for our live show.

[1:48:33] That's going to be fun.

[1:48:34] Thank you for all you do for us, Alex.

[1:48:38] And for the Flophouse, I have been Dan McCoy.

Elliott Kalan

[1:48:41] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:48:43] I am Elliot Kalin, who is suddenly a robot for some reason.

[1:48:46] Oh, no.

[1:48:47] Beep, boop.

[1:48:48] Okay.

[1:48:49] Well, get that guy in oil.

[1:48:50] Here we go again.

Dan McCoy

[1:48:51] You know, as a non-Resident Evil player, but someone who recently watched all the Mila Jovovich movies,

[1:49:11] because they're doing him on Blink Check.

[1:49:14] Okay.

[1:49:14] I was genuinely surprised to learn.

[1:49:16] I'm like, oh, this character doesn't exist in the games.

[1:49:19] No, not at all.

[1:49:20] It's just like totally.

[1:49:21] They just made it up.

[1:49:21] They just added a whole new central character.

[1:49:23] Yeah.

[1:49:24] It's kind of incredible.

[1:49:25] I mean, how dare they.

[1:49:27] I don't like video games that are too faithful to things usually.

Stuart Wellington

[1:49:33] Also, the thing is like those Resident Evil games are like a lot of like narrative video games

[1:49:38] where you're like, this is cinematic enough.

[1:49:40] I don't need a one-to-one mapping of this.

[1:49:43] A movie would just be.

[1:49:44] The story already exists.

[1:49:46] I played it.

[1:49:46] It was awesome.

[1:49:47] Watching a movie will be similar, except I won't get to kill things.

Elliott Kalan

[1:49:52] You just get to sit back and watch somebody else play.

[1:49:55] Jigsaw goes, would you like to watch someone play a game?

Stuart Wellington

[1:49:59] It's called Twitch, dude.

[1:50:00] Check it out.

[1:50:01] Check it out.

[1:50:01] This is a weird branding.

[1:50:02] It's weirdly popular.

Dan McCoy

[1:50:04] They call me Twitch Saw.

[1:50:06] I don't understand it.

[1:50:07] I'm too old to understand why people would want to watch other people play games.

[1:50:11] Here's the secret.

[1:50:12] It's very big.

Elliott Kalan

[1:50:13] It helps if you're a sexy babe, but you pretend you're not doing things to seem sexy

[1:50:17] so you can get around the rules.

Stuart Wellington

[1:50:19] Stop.

[1:50:20] Stop getting in the way of my grift, Elliot.

[1:50:25] Okay.

[1:50:26] What are we doing?

Elliott Kalan

[1:50:26] What if there was McGrift, the crime dog, the dog who commits crimes?

[1:50:30] The opposite of McGrath?

Dan McCoy

[1:50:32] Yeah.

[1:50:33] The bizarre McGrath.

[1:50:34] As always, the man with the heart out is wasting.

[1:50:38] Okay.

[1:50:38] Let's get into this.

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