Ep. #353 - The Turning, with Hallie Haglund

Stuart Wellington

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss the turning from the twisted mind of Henry James comes another tale of terror.

[0:12] Terror?

[0:13] Yeah, that get too scary for you guys. Should I take a less scary take or more scary take?

Elliott Kalan

[0:18] It was just scary enough, I think.

[0:30] Hey everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

Dan McCoy

[0:47] Hey, it's me, Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:49] Hi, Elliot Kalin here, and we've got a special guest, guys.

[0:53] Hi, it's Hallie Hagelin.

Dan McCoy

[0:54] The star of the show has returned, and look, we all know you're just waiting for me to shut up so Hallie can say one of her catchphrases like,

[1:05] Uh-huh.

[1:06] Weedle-dee-dee.

[1:08] Potter.

[1:09] What's one of your catchphrases, Hallie?

Hallie Haglund

[1:13] This needs more milk.

[1:15] This needs more milk.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17] A lot of the episodes of the show Hallie are about mac and cheese.

Dan McCoy

[1:23] But before we get into our show, the network our show's on, MaxFun, is throwing a virtual block party from now until October 22nd, and you're invited.

[1:37] What does that mean?

[1:38] The wieners are on tan.

[1:39] Well, during block party.

[1:40] Just one.

Stuart Wellington

[1:42] No, I'm talking about hot dogs.

Dan McCoy

[1:43] Yeah.

[1:44] Oh, oh, oh.

[1:44] I'm covered in them.

[1:46] Yeah.

[1:47] Oh, you're wearing that vest made out of hot dogs, yeah.

[1:49] Slather me with mustard, because I'm covered in hot dogs.

[1:52] During block party.

Elliott Kalan

[1:52] Just like the hit 80s song, pour some mustard on me, because I'm covered in hot dogs.

Dan McCoy

[1:59] That's my catchphrase.

[2:00] Hallie says, this needs more milk.

[2:02] Can mine slather me with mustard?

[2:04] It's all food related.

[2:07] During block party, MaxFun shows are releasing episodes that are especially welcoming to new audiences.

[2:13] Well, we fucked it up already, guys.

[2:14] Didn't do that.

[2:15] Oh, boy.

[2:15] With all these shenanigans.

Elliott Kalan

[2:16] So the new audiences are like, okay, Hallie's the star of the show.

[2:20] Dan is covered in hot dogs.

[2:21] That's his thing.

[2:22] He has mustard on him.

Dan McCoy

[2:24] Yeah.

[2:24] If you like, unfortunately, if you like Hallie the best, and many of our listeners do, she's not normally on the show.

[2:31] She is a frequent guest host.

Hallie Haglund

[2:34] But that's why you've got to listen to every episode, because you just never know when.

[2:39] You've got to tune in.

Stuart Wellington

[2:40] Yep.

[2:40] We've gone back through our catalog and deleted any mention in the show notes, whether or not you were on the episode.

[2:47] Yeah.

[2:47] You just got to guess.

Hallie Haglund

[2:48] And I may not come in until the very end.

Dan McCoy

[2:54] Listen to them all through, or as much as whatever metrics podcast listening are measured by.

[3:00] If you listen to them over half, that's probably okay.

[3:03] I don't know.

[3:04] It's the Wild West out there.

[3:06] But anyway.

Elliott Kalan

[3:06] So Dan, the block party, huh?

[3:07] Oh, yeah.

[3:07] Is that a Wild West block party?

[3:09] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[3:09] If you've been encouraging a friend to try out our show, this is the perfect episode to share with them.

[3:14] It's also a great time to check out shows you've been curious about, since they're also releasing episodes geared towards new audience members as well.

[3:23] The block party has games, recommendations, a volunteer event, a limited edition poster, and more.

[3:28] You can find out about that stuff at MaximumFun.org slash block party.

[3:34] Tell your friends.

[3:35] Tell them to come to the podcast block party, and they'll say, nerd, but maybe some of them will come.

[3:42] Elliot is looking very stern.

[3:44] I went off message.

Hallie Haglund

[3:45] I was thinking, you know, what else I got to do?

[3:48] We're basically still in a pandemic.

[3:51] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[3:52] That's true.

[3:53] Why not attend to a virtual block party?

[3:56] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[3:57] We were supposed to have a block party on my block.

[3:59] It got canceled because of Delta.

Stuart Wellington

[4:02] So Dan's stuck with all these wieners.

Dan McCoy

[4:04] Yeah.

[4:05] Take one of these mustard-filled wieners.

Elliott Kalan

[4:09] So you filled the wieners with mustard?

[4:11] Like you injected them full of mustard?

[4:13] Yeah.

[4:13] Well, it's like a churro.

[4:15] Uh-huh.

Stuart Wellington

[4:17] Are churros usually filled with mustard?

[4:19] Covered in mustard.

[4:21] Yeah.

[4:21] Yes.

[4:21] That's why we're in Dan's apartment right now.

[4:24] There's plastic sheeting all over the floor, and there's syringes that have been discarded

[4:28] that are partially filled with mustard, lying every which way.

Elliott Kalan

[4:32] Dangerous.

[4:33] You're like, Dan, this is for inserting into hot dogs?

[4:35] And Dan's like, yeah, sure.

[4:37] Yes.

Stuart Wellington

[4:38] Hot dogs.

[4:39] Or churros.

[4:40] So what do we do on this podcast, Danny?

[4:42] This is a podcast where we-

Elliott Kalan

[4:43] Let's tell all those new listeners what we do.

[4:45] It's mostly making fun of you about your hot dogs, right?

Dan McCoy

[4:47] Yeah.

[4:47] The premise of this podcast, which seemed a lot more unique about 15 years ago, is that

[4:56] we watch a bad movie, and we talk about it.

[4:59] Mm-hmm.

[4:59] And every October, we celebrate Shocktober, the time of the year.

[5:05] It used to be when we watched slightly more horror movies than normal, because the early

[5:09] years were pretty horror movie heavy.

[5:11] These days, they've been sequestered mostly to the month of October.

[5:15] I guess I don't get to pick the movies anymore.

Elliott Kalan

[5:18] It's always Mild Mountain Time, and other movies that might make Dan cry.

[5:22] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[5:23] And pretty frequently, we've had Hallie on these episodes, because she's a horror fan.

[5:28] And I know that a lot of people on Twitter have been wondering, Hallie, have you seen

[5:32] a ghost?

Hallie Haglund

[5:34] No, I haven't seen a ghost.

[5:36] Yeah.

[5:37] Only, no, I don't even have a joke.

[5:41] I don't have a joke.

Stuart Wellington

[5:42] You're too sad.

[5:43] Yeah.

[5:44] You can see why Hallie is the star of the show.

[5:44] Joyce Carol Oates would appreciate you not joking about ghosts.

[5:47] I know.

[5:48] Or should I call her Joyce Carol Ghosts?

[5:50] I won't.

[5:52] So today, we watched The Turning, Dan.

Dan McCoy

[5:54] Yeah.

[5:55] Based on The Turn of the Screw, the Henry James novella, you know, fame for its-

Elliott Kalan

[6:02] Frequently adapted novella, The Turn of the Screw.

Dan McCoy

[6:06] Yeah.

[6:06] The Innocence, I guess, is probably the, sort of the definitive adaptation.

[6:10] That's the best one.

[6:11] The Innocence is a great movie.

[6:13] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[6:13] Uh-huh.

[6:14] And maybe The Turning is too.

[6:16] Haunting of Blythe Manor, the series on Netflix.

[6:20] Is it based on the-

[6:21] I mean, it's pretty heavily influenced by it.

[6:23] I haven't seen that one.

[6:24] Okay.

Hallie Haglund

[6:24] So what is the deal?

[6:25] It's just like the original haunted house story or something.

[6:29] I don't really understand what this movie was supposed to be about, so I don't understand

Elliott Kalan

[6:33] what it's-

[6:34] This movie takes a very clear premise, which is that a governess is taking care of two

[6:40] kids who seem to be possessed or at least being controlled by the ghosts of two people who

[6:46] used to be at the house.

[6:47] And really confuses it up quite a bit.

[6:49] And I have to admit that, and we'll get to it, I guess.

[6:51] But I really want to talk to you guys about the ending, because it was one of the few times

[6:55] that I've seen a modern movie recently where I was like, what?

[6:58] I don't even know what that was supposed to represent.

Hallie Haglund

[7:01] You could evoke any moment from the movie, and I would be like, oh, that was the ending?

[7:08] Oh, okay.

[7:09] Like, I don't even remember which moment was the ending.

Dan McCoy

[7:12] Well, the ending, I think, I mean, we'll get there, is meant to capture the ambiguity

[7:18] of the story, which is the other big thing about the turn of the screw.

[7:23] You know, you can, it has been subjected to a lot of literary criticism and interpretation

[7:29] over the years, and you can either read it as a straightforward ghost tale, or you can

[7:34] read it as the story of a governess who has gone mad through possible, you know, combination

[7:43] of sexual confusion and gaslighting, nerves, all these, all the typical things that,

[7:52] in the old days, in horror stories, women were going through.

Elliott Kalan

[7:57] But you're saying, so the turn of the screw is one of the originals of the, it's a horror

[8:01] movie, or is it all in their head?

[8:03] Yes.

[8:04] Whoa.

Stuart Wellington

[8:04] Twisted.

[8:05] Yeah, I think it kind of, yep, exactly.

[8:08] That's why they say things are twisted, Elliot, is because they're referring to how when you

[8:12] turn a screw, you twist it.

Elliott Kalan

[8:14] It's just amazing how, it's amazing how Al Goldstein, he was so inspired by this story

[8:18] that he went on to find, he went on to found Screw Magazine, but he could have easily called

[8:23] it Turn Magazine, because it was the turn of the screw that inspired him to found Screw

[8:26] Magazine.

[8:27] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[8:27] Mm-hmm.

[8:28] That's really interesting.

[8:29] I'm glad you shared that anecdote.

[8:30] So, the movie begins, night.

[8:35] A woman, question governess, flees from a mansion, but is stopped at the gate by a ghost.

[8:43] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[8:44] Saying, hey, hey, do you have your passport to leave Ghost Town?

[8:50] Okay.

[8:50] Then we find out-

[8:51] So, Ghost Town, you need a passport to leave.

[8:52] It's your sovereign territory.

[8:53] Yeah.

[8:54] It's a city-state.

Stuart Wellington

[8:55] Uh-huh.

[8:55] That's why Beetlejuice has so many pockets, to carry his fucking passport.

[8:59] Oh.

[9:01] So, then we hear over, we hear a TV tell us that Kurt Cobain has died.

[9:06] Yeah.

[9:07] That's a fucking bummer.

Dan McCoy

[9:08] The clumsiest time period setting I think I've seen in a movie in several years at least.

[9:15] It was just like, oh, Kurt Cobain has died.

[9:18] Let's turn the television off immediately upon hearing that news.

Elliott Kalan

[9:20] I mean, it is right up there within The Wedding Singer when the guy goes, hey, JR just got shot,

[9:25] in terms of like, and there it's deliberately a joke, but here it does feel like a jokey

[9:29] way to set up that time period.

[9:30] But it's to create that aura of, I guess, young doom that will follow our main character.

[9:38] And Hallie, here's the thing I was wondering.

[9:39] You've always wanted to see a ghost.

[9:41] Did this movie make you want to be a governess so that you could maybe see a ghost in that

[9:44] job?

[9:45] Because you are not a governess right now, right?

Hallie Haglund

[9:47] I feel like one.

Elliott Kalan

[9:49] You're not a parent.

[9:49] No, but it's your own children, so it doesn't count.

Hallie Haglund

[9:52] Well, I kept wondering, is she getting paid?

[9:54] Because we never saw her get a paycheck.

Stuart Wellington

[9:57] It's true.

[9:58] Nobody handed her a paycheck or a bag of money.

[10:02] No, that's true.

Elliott Kalan

[10:03] The kids certainly are not tipping her, so.

[10:06] No.

[10:07] No.

Stuart Wellington

[10:08] Yeah, so Kurt Cobain, RIP.

[10:11] Mackenzie Davis decides to stop teaching in order to be a rich kid's private tutor under

[10:17] the explanation to make a difference.

Elliott Kalan

[10:21] It's a very weird moment where she's like, this is a rich kid who needs a mother because

[10:26] her parents are gone.

[10:28] I could really make a difference here.

[10:29] It's like, wait, but you're already teaching like a classroom full of not rich kids?

[10:32] Wouldn't you be making more of a difference?

[10:34] No, no, no, no, no.

[10:35] No, no, no, no, no.

[10:35] They aren't orphans.

[10:36] No, no, no.

[10:38] This is my chance to be the Aristotle to her Alexander the Great, influencing a future

[10:44] world conqueror.

[10:45] And it's like, all right, okay, in a world without Kurt Cobain, I guess anything's possible.

Hallie Haglund

[10:49] Wait, question.

[10:50] Real question.

[10:51] Do we know, did I just miss where it's supposed to be set?

[10:55] I think I assumed it was Seattle because Kurt Cobain was mentioned, but then now, in retrospect,

[11:00] You know that was worldwide news.

[11:01] Yeah, exactly.

[11:02] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[11:03] And in local regional news.

[11:06] I do feel like I had a similar feeling, though, and maybe it's just because it's always misty.

[11:12] I thought maybe this was the Pacific Northwest, but...

Stuart Wellington

[11:15] Does the Pacific Northwest have a lot of, like, beautiful manor houses?

Elliott Kalan

[11:20] It could be like a logging magnate of the 19th century built that estate or something like

[11:26] that.

[11:26] I think it does feel like more of a, like, East Coast, the kind of estate you might have

[11:33] found then.

[11:33] I mean, it's an English...

[11:34] It's a story that was originally set in England, right, I think?

[11:36] Yeah.

[11:37] Because Henry James, though American, spent most of his life over there.

[11:40] So, like, it makes more sense that there would be, like, a manor house, but it could be,

[11:43] like, a robber baron house, you know?

Dan McCoy

[11:45] By the way, is there a reason beyond, I guess, I guess we're setting everything in the, like,

[11:53] recent past because of cell phones?

[11:55] Like, is there a reason that this...

[11:57] Like, 25 years ago.

[11:58] ...took place in the 90s?

[12:00] Well, that's recent past on the human timeline.

[12:04] Oh, cool.

[12:04] I mean, on the geologic scale, 70 AD is the recent past.

[12:08] I'm an idiot.

[12:08] You guys are right.

[12:10] It's a fucking...

[12:10] It's the fucking turn of the screw.

[12:12] It's recent past compared to turn of the screw.

[12:14] Okay, okay.

[12:15] They wanted to set it at the turn of the century.

[12:16] I just don't understand whether that, like, it's not like, oh, remember how there are so

[12:20] many ghosts hanging around in the 90s?

[12:23] Like, we gotta get back into that.

[12:24] No, but I think...

Elliott Kalan

[12:24] I mean, there were a lot of ghosts in the 90s.

[12:26] They were the ghosts of decisions made by baby boomers, and they're now still haunting

[12:30] us.

[12:30] Yeah.

[12:31] Yeah.

[12:31] But the...

[12:32] And, of course, there were the ghosts of Mars in the 90s.

[12:34] But...

[12:35] Or was that the early 2000s?

[12:37] No, it's the early 2000s.

[12:38] But I think it is...

[12:40] I think it is...

[12:41] They're setting it then, so it feels a little bit like the past, but you're right.

[12:44] To get away with...

[12:45] Otherwise, when she showed up, she'd have to be like, what's the Wi-Fi password?

[12:48] And Ms. Groza, the old lady, would have to be like, we don't have Wi-Fi.

[12:52] And then we'd have an interminable scene of her walking around the grounds trying to get

[12:56] a signal on her cell phone.

[12:57] And like, who cares?

[12:58] Set it in the 90s.

[12:59] Why not?

[13:00] You know?

[13:00] Yeah.

[13:00] I love the 90s.

[13:02] Yeah.

[13:03] Has anyone ever said that?

Stuart Wellington

[13:05] I mean, I think there's like a CD collection.

[13:09] So Mackenzie Davis decides to go visit her mom at a kind of stylish mental hospital.

[13:14] This is kind of when I realized like, this movie looks pretty good.

[13:19] Yeah.

[13:19] Like, everything is fairly stylized.

[13:23] Mm-hmm.

[13:23] The, like, this is a person, the director mainly has, it looked like music video credits

[13:31] and some TV credits.

Dan McCoy

[13:32] Her first feature was The Runaways about the band, The Runaways.

[13:36] Oh, okay.

Stuart Wellington

[13:36] Which was pretty good.

[13:37] And so she visits her mother, played by Jolie Richardson, who you would know from The Patriot

[13:45] and that BBC Lady Chatterley adaptation with Sean Bean.

[13:50] She's in lots of stuff.

[13:51] She's part of it.

[13:52] She's part of a long time.

[13:55] The songs removed from it.

Elliott Kalan

[13:56] She's part of a long British acting dynasty.

[13:58] As the Amazon trivia told me, she is the fourth member of her family to be in an adaptation

[14:03] of The Turn of the Screw.

[14:04] Wow.

[14:04] Going all the way back to The Innocents.

[14:06] Yeah.

[14:06] So she's a, but you know, she's a Redgrave, Jolie Richardson.

[14:10] So like, you know, her family is a British acting royalty, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[14:13] Wait, was Vanessa Redgrave in The Devils?

Elliott Kalan

[14:18] No.

[14:19] I can't remember.

[14:20] It's a good Shacktober name though.

[14:22] Yeah.

[14:22] Redgrave.

[14:23] Is she her daughter?

Stuart Wellington

[14:24] Is she Vanessa Redgrave's daughter?

Elliott Kalan

[14:26] She is Vanessa Redgrave's daughter.

[14:27] Yes.

[14:27] She looks like her.

[14:28] So she's Michael Redgrave's granddaughter.

[14:30] Yeah, yeah.

[14:31] She looks like Vanessa Redgrave.

[14:32] Because it's her mother.

[14:33] Yeah.

[14:33] That makes a lot of sense.

[14:35] Redgrave is a scary, it reminds me, there's a kind of, there's a breed of apple called

[14:38] Gravenstein.

[14:39] And whenever I see a sign of it, I was like, ah, Gravenstein.

[14:45] Danielle's like, it's not scary, it's an apple.

Stuart Wellington

[14:47] Yeah.

[14:48] So.

[14:48] But it's like Frankenstein with Graven, it should be a scary apple.

[14:51] It's like the movie The Apple.

[14:52] I think it's interesting that Vanessa Redgrave was in The Devils, directed by Ken Russell.

[14:57] And then Jolie Richardson was in Lady Chatterley, that was also directed by Ken Russell.

[15:02] It's got Ken Russell all over it.

[15:04] So let's get back to this movie, shall we?

Elliott Kalan

[15:05] Ken Russell, the father of Kurt Russell.

Stuart Wellington

[15:08] Yeah.

[15:09] Exactly.

Elliott Kalan

[15:10] Okay.

[15:10] And Kurt Russell, the father of Cary Russell.

[15:12] Anyway, continue.

Stuart Wellington

[15:13] God damn it.

[15:14] So she's in this stylish mental hospital, she's doing art in an empty pool.

[15:20] That doesn't seem safe for a mental hospital.

Dan McCoy

[15:24] Yeah.

[15:24] I mean, yeah.

[15:25] Or anywhere.

[15:27] Now, do you think a full pool would be more safe for a mental hospital, or should we just

[15:31] get rid of the idea of having a pool in this mental hospital?

Hallie Haglund

[15:34] Well, what's the implication that they turned like an old gym into a mental hospital?

Elliott Kalan

[15:40] Good question.

[15:41] Probably.

[15:43] Probably.

[15:43] I mean, I just saw, I just watched Barb and Star, and it just reminded me of their motel

[15:48] where there's an empty pool where a guy's playing solitaire on a little card table at the bottom

[15:52] of it.

[15:53] I mean, this is the 90s.

Dan McCoy

[15:54] Maybe this is a statement about how back in the 80s, Reagan cut all the funding for the

[15:59] mentally ill.

[16:00] Yeah.

[16:00] So they had to lose their pools.

[16:02] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[16:03] They're like, we can afford food or we can afford water.

[16:06] We can't afford both.

[16:07] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[16:08] So our heroine, her name is Kate.

[16:12] And after leaving her mom, goes to this palatial, not palatial, this manor house.

[16:19] It's pretty palatial.

[16:21] She walks, yeah, she walks around a lot.

[16:24] It's for such a large, well-groomed home and grounds.

[16:28] It is sparsely populated.

Dan McCoy

[16:31] And it's filled with a lot of like sort of foreboding noises.

[16:36] Uh-huh.

[16:37] And junk.

[16:38] Hallie's right.

[16:39] There's a lot of brick in this house.

Elliott Kalan

[16:41] Yeah.

[16:41] A lot of broken dolls in this house.

[16:44] They have a surprisingly large number of rooms dedicated to antique shattered mannequins.

Dan McCoy

[16:50] It's a pretty gothic story.

[16:52] So I guess like you can get away with this stuff when you're creating that kind of mood.

[16:56] Yeah.

[16:57] But Audrey did point out that it's just like, I don't think in a horror movie, like in the

[17:00] first 10 minutes, you shouldn't have like a bunch of scary noises.

[17:04] Like you want to like ease into that a little bit, like fake your way into like, okay, this

[17:09] is like at least one foot in the normal world.

Elliott Kalan

[17:12] I mean, it does feel like she does walk through a portal and enter into the like fairy land

[17:17] from Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell where there's just like diabolical masquerades going

[17:22] on all the time.

[17:23] It really just feels like as soon as she gets to the house, yeah, she's entered a nightmare

[17:27] realm.

[17:27] She's entered the world represented by the illustrations in the original Scary Tales to Tell in the Dark

[17:32] books.

[17:32] Yeah.

[17:33] Yes.

[17:33] Like it does not.

[17:35] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[17:35] And I think that's an Edward Gore illustration or something from the beginning of mystery.

Elliott Kalan

[17:40] Yeah.

[17:40] She's in the mystery opening title credits.

[17:43] She should be like, this isn't right.

Stuart Wellington

[17:44] Speaking of illustrations, we, she meets the, I guess, older housekeeper, Mrs. Gross or Miss

[17:51] Gross, who is exclusively looks like she has been taken out of a black and white photo, kind

[17:57] of like a detox in the season five finale of RuPaul's Drag Race.

[18:02] It's an interesting choice because this is a movie that features ghosts and yet this woman

[18:08] who looks like a ghost the whole time has not won.

Hallie Haglund

[18:11] And has a British accent.

[18:13] She does.

[18:13] And it further confused me about the location.

Stuart Wellington

[18:16] Me too.

Elliott Kalan

[18:17] Yeah.

[18:18] And it's also, if she, it would make more sense if she was a ghost because the whole movie,

[18:22] Kate would be like, let's do this, Flora.

[18:24] And Ms. Gross would be like, no, no, she can't do that.

[18:26] And I'd be like, well, why aren't you the governess, Mrs. Gross?

[18:28] Like, you don't seem to do anything else all day except ride Kate's ass about what Flora

[18:33] can and can't do.

[18:34] Like, why did you hire Kate?

[18:35] Like, this is your job.

Dan McCoy

[18:37] I was confused about the situation there.

[18:41] Like, like the, the flow chart of who's in charge and also like who has a guardianship

[18:48] of these kids.

[18:49] Is it that woman or like, that seems weird.

[18:52] They're owned by the house.

Stuart Wellington

[18:53] The house inherited them.

[18:54] Yeah.

[18:55] Uh, yeah.

[18:56] So we meet, uh, after there's a lot of walking around this property.

[19:00] If, uh, yeah, I mean like it's basically a fucking Zillow ad.

[19:04] Um, so.

[19:05] But like a spooky Zillow ad.

Elliott Kalan

[19:07] Uh.

[19:07] Like you want to rent a haunted house.

[19:09] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[19:09] It's, it's what happens when you go to Zillow in October.

[19:12] All the houses have been decorated and they're spooky.

Elliott Kalan

[19:14] It'd be so funny if all the, all the listings have ghosts and cobwebs on them.

[19:19] Yeah, yeah.

[19:20] It's so hard to buy a house in October because all the real estate listings make them look

[19:23] like abandoned old mansions.

Dan McCoy

[19:25] Yeah.

[19:26] Now all this will be cleared away later, right?

[19:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[19:29] Are you looking for a three bed tomb?

Elliott Kalan

[19:34] And they're like, we have to stage the house.

[19:36] When did you want to sell it?

[19:37] October.

[19:38] Ugh, October.

[19:38] Okay.

[19:38] Get me cobwebs.

[19:39] Get me broken mirrors.

[19:41] Get me a coffin for a table.

[19:43] That's how we have to stage it.

[19:44] Get me my pun in dictionary.

Hallie Haglund

[19:48] Somebody start peeling the grapes.

[19:50] We've got a whole set up.

Dan McCoy

[19:53] Well, we'll be able to get it.

[19:55] We'll be able to get it.

Dan McCoy

[19:58] Yeah, yeah.

[19:58] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[19:59] Let me bring you through to the en suite master death.

[20:02] Master bath.

[20:03] I mean to say master bath.

[20:04] Come on.

[20:04] Oh, I thought you were going to say dead room.

[20:07] Oh, better.

[20:08] Thank you.

[20:08] Better.

[20:09] That's okay.

[20:09] Tell me how to do my job.

[20:11] Sure.

[20:11] Maybe you're the real estate agent now.

[20:12] Okay, fine.

[20:14] You do it.

[20:18] I'll buy the house from you.

[20:19] Oh, this place is lovely.

[20:21] I don't like the color.

[20:22] Anyway, goodbye.

Hallie Haglund

[20:25] Hey, we have a disgust price.

[20:27] You can always paint the house.

[20:28] Come on.

Elliott Kalan

[20:29] No, no, no.

[20:30] And now I've transferred the curse onto you.

[20:32] You're now the real estate agent for this house.

[20:33] I'm free.

[20:34] I'm free.

Stuart Wellington

[20:34] I'm free.

[20:35] I'm just glad you stopped saying squeal estate.

[20:37] Okay, so we meet Flora, who is a spooky little girl.

[20:42] We walk around a spooky hedge maze.

[20:45] Then we tour the house and we see a crazy, crazy dummy of a dead grandma.

[20:51] We learn that Flora can't leave the property.

[20:53] You know, normal rich people stuff.

[20:55] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[20:55] Flora played by the young girl from the Florida Project, by the way.

Stuart Wellington

[21:00] Maybe that's why they named her Flora.

Dan McCoy

[21:02] Oh, that's right.

[21:04] She was, I mean.

Hallie Haglund

[21:05] That makes me so sad.

[21:07] I love that movie.

[21:07] I thought I recognized her from somewhere.

[21:09] Well, no, I mean, just because.

Dan McCoy

[21:10] I think she's good in this movie, too.

[21:11] The movie is not obviously as good as the Florida Project, which is amazing.

Elliott Kalan

[21:15] Yeah, this movie is.

[21:16] Has way less Willem Dafoe.

[21:18] That's 100% less.

[21:19] This movie.

[21:20] Who would have been great in this?

[21:22] Very spooky.

[21:23] Yeah.

[21:23] He should have been Mrs. Groza.

[21:25] But Kate, frankly, a male governess.

[21:28] Why not?

[21:28] A governor, if you will.

[21:30] I think the problem with this movie is not the acting.

[21:33] I think all the performers do pretty fine in it.

[21:35] Yeah.

[21:35] But it does.

[21:36] It is.

[21:36] Stuart, you were saying earlier, or maybe Dan was, about how the movie looks pretty good,

[21:41] but it looks all very samey.

[21:43] Like I think you guys are saying, there's no difference between the spooky scenes and the

[21:47] non-spooky scenes and how it looks.

[21:49] So it all kind of turns into kind of like a gray glop at a certain point.

Hallie Haglund

[21:52] I have a thing about the acting.

[21:55] Okay.

[21:55] So I don't know if this is a, I don't know if you would attribute this to a flaw in the

[22:00] acting or a flaw in the conception of the movie.

[22:02] But I thought the kids should have been spookier.

[22:04] They're like actually not spooky at all.

[22:07] They just seem like normal kids in a spooky house.

Elliott Kalan

[22:10] Yeah.

[22:11] I mean, they seem like assholes.

[22:12] I mean, the son is an asshole.

Hallie Haglund

[22:14] He's an asshole, but he doesn't seem like, he seems like not as creepy as he should seem,

[22:21] I feel like.

[22:21] No, I think you're right.

Dan McCoy

[22:22] This is like, this is a case, like the girl is a sweetheart and the guy who we'll meet soon

[22:29] in the synopsis that Stuart is so kindly.

[22:32] Played by Stranger Things as Finn Wolfhard.

[22:34] Yeah, Finn Wolfhard, our old daily show co-host, daily show writer, Dan Amira, once tweeted,

[22:44] well, Wolfhard or Wolfholm, I guess.

[22:48] And I was one of like five people who favorited that.

[22:53] It was really speaking to me versus just normal.

Elliott Kalan

[22:56] I love the idea now of Dan Amira.

[22:57] This will mean nothing to the listeners who don't know him as a co-host of the daily show

[23:00] because he's a man who has very little emotional effects when he talks.

[23:04] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[23:06] Imagine me, but more so.

[23:10] Yeah.

[23:12] But what were we talking about?

[23:14] So she spends the day.

[23:16] So I just, wait, I want to.

[23:18] Oh, the kids weren't spooky.

[23:19] I want to take it.

Elliott Kalan

[23:19] The kids aren't spooky.

[23:20] I want to mention that.

[23:21] I think this shows that the children who play the parts, their names are Finn Wolfhard

[23:24] and Brooklyn Prince.

[23:25] And their names are spookier than the character names, which is Miles and Florida Fairchild.

[23:29] And I think it's a conception problem.

[23:31] I think that feels like a directing problem to me.

[23:34] That the kids.

[23:34] Yeah, I think you're right.

[23:35] Are not.

[23:35] There's nothing eerie about them.

[23:37] And so much of the movie is Kate wandering around the house getting spooked by mirrors and things like that.

[23:43] Yeah.

[23:43] But when she sees the kids, they're not like, there's nothing ghosty about them.

Dan McCoy

[23:47] Yeah.

[23:47] Miles is kind of creepy in a teenage boy way of being creepy.

[23:53] Not in a creepy, eerie way.

Hallie Haglund

[23:55] It's not like this guy's going to be able to do anything to her.

[23:59] He's very small.

Elliott Kalan

[24:00] He's a small man.

[24:01] And it's not like, is this kid, does this kid have a ghost inside them?

[24:05] Yeah.

[24:05] It's more like, hey, this kid is going to go.

[24:07] I mean, at a certain point, every teenage boy has a ghost inside them.

[24:11] Yeah.

[24:12] So we, yeah.

[24:13] Like, there's a brief scale.

[24:15] Allie, it's block party episode.

[24:17] Please.

[24:18] Come on.

[24:19] What if it's, it's a horror porn.

[24:21] It's a horror porn called Ghost in the Dig.

[24:24] It's like.

Dan McCoy

[24:27] It's a very weird adaptation of Ghost in the Shell.

[24:31] Yeah, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[24:31] And the Ghostbusters are, I guess, porn stars that help you get it out of your dick.

[24:34] And they're like, we got to get that ghost out of you.

[24:36] You know.

Stuart Wellington

[24:37] Yeah.

[24:38] So we have a couple of early scares.

[24:41] There's a point where the first moment after spending the day with Flora, Kate sees a ghost of a woman in the window and has a kind of muted reaction.

[24:52] But she seems like a little creeped out, but not like, I mean, she just saw a ghost.

[24:57] You know, what Hallie dreams about.

[25:00] I know.

[25:00] And then she, you know, there's a few other minor scares.

Hallie Haglund

[25:03] For all you ghost listeners out there, you'd get a much better reaction from yours truly.

Dan McCoy

[25:10] Quit trying to impress Mackenzie Davis.

Elliott Kalan

[25:14] Hallie, can you give us a taste?

[25:15] Can you give us a taste of what your ghost reaction would be like?

[25:21] That seems like about the same, actually.

[25:23] And I know I just sprang it on you, but a ghost is going to spring it on you, too.

Hallie Haglund

[25:27] I can't go all out.

[25:27] My baby is napping.

[25:29] Yeah, that's true.

[25:30] That's fair.

Dan McCoy

[25:33] Okay, I like that.

[25:34] She was biting your fingernails for everyone listening.

Stuart Wellington

[25:37] Yeah, so she meets Miles, who's the elder child.

[25:42] We talked about him a little bit.

[25:44] He's a little bit twisted.

[25:45] He's been expelled from school.

[25:47] He's got a bad attitude.

[25:48] He sticks pins in mannequin boobs.

[25:50] You know, normal teenage boy stuff.

[25:53] Kate finds the diary of the former governess.

[25:56] So we get a little bit.

[25:57] She starts to do a little bit of detective work.

[26:00] There's a scene where she's in Miles' bedroom.

[26:05] No, not even his bedroom.

[26:07] It's his music room.

[26:08] And there's a moment with a spider that was pretty cool, right?

[26:11] A little trapdoor spider.

Dan McCoy

[26:13] Yeah, he just lets the spider crawl in his hand.

[26:15] He's like, hey, man, I got a spider on my hand, basically.

Elliott Kalan

[26:18] And then it's a CGI spider, and then he puts it in a tank,

[26:21] and a CGI trapdoor spider jumps out and eats it.

Hallie Haglund

[26:24] Uh-huh, it's amazing.

[26:25] And you think this is going to somehow be relevant to the rest of the movie,

[26:28] but it's not.

Stuart Wellington

[26:29] You're waiting for the scene.

[26:30] Yeah, you think the movie's going to end with Jake Gyllenhaal

[26:33] opening a bedroom door, and there's just a giant spider there,

[26:35] and that's the end of the movie.

[26:36] And you're like, what?

[26:38] And that guy's making Dune now.

[26:40] It's crazy.

[26:41] Yeah.

[26:43] Okay, so she then, she hears Flora scream,

[26:48] scream from outside, and she runs to the window

[26:50] and sees Flora floating in the pool,

[26:53] appearing to drown.

[26:55] So she runs outside.

[26:56] She jumps into the water.

[26:58] Uh-oh, it's just a honeypot for the ghost

[27:00] because a ghost tries to grab her.

[27:02] She climbs out, and then the kids are there laughing at her.

[27:04] Wait, was it a trick from the kids

[27:05] or a honeypot from the ghost?

[27:06] Who knows?

[27:07] Dan, what do you think?

Dan McCoy

[27:09] Well, I mean, the ghosts are possibly controlling the kids.

[27:15] In cahoots, says McCoy.

[27:16] It could be like that gift that says, why not both?

[27:18] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[27:20] Okay, so we get a couple more ghosts.

[27:23] Like, to be honest, a lot of this plot summary

[27:25] is just going to be like, ghost scare, ghost scare.

[27:28] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[27:28] It's kind of the opposite of House of the Devil,

[27:31] which is super scary,

[27:32] even though it's just a babysitter

[27:34] walking around a house for most of the movie

[27:36] and without much happening.

[27:38] This is a babysitter or governor

[27:40] walking around a house with lots of jump scares,

[27:42] and you're like, all right, okay,

[27:44] where's the next one?

Stuart Wellington

[27:45] Yeah.

[27:46] Yeah.

[27:46] And like, once again,

[27:48] she's walking around this big house,

[27:49] and it's pretty clean and organized,

[27:52] and you would think,

[27:53] shouldn't there be more?

[27:54] Like, who's taking care of these fucking horses?

Elliott Kalan

[27:57] Well, that's the thing they mention.

[27:58] So one of the things that come up is that Quint,

[28:00] the old horse caper, has died.

[28:04] Yeah.

[28:04] They didn't hire anyone else to take care.

[28:05] So I guess Mrs. Grosso was like,

[28:07] another thing to add to my to-do list.

[28:09] I'm already cleaning the house and cooking.

[28:10] I guess I'll take care of the horses.

Stuart Wellington

[28:12] Time to shovel out the stalls.

[28:13] Yeah, we get a little garden horse ride

[28:16] where Kate is learning to ride a horse

[28:18] while Miles whips it a bunch,

[28:20] and it's just kind of,

[28:21] like, there's a strange power dynamic

[28:23] already going on here.

[28:24] And then they ride their horse to the koi pond,

[28:26] where he then stomps on a fish,

[28:28] which is also not cool.

Elliott Kalan

[28:31] Well, he's putting it out of its misery.

[28:32] It was being eaten by a raven?

[28:34] Yeah, that's true.

[28:35] Because you know what ravens love to eat is fish.

[28:37] You see it all the time.

Dan McCoy

[28:39] Out of its,

[28:40] I mean, I'm sure a raven would eat some fish

[28:43] if it had the chance.

[28:45] Only one way to find out.

Elliott Kalan

[28:47] I don't know if it's the kind of-

[28:48] Raven's right into,

[28:49] I would want a fish,

[28:50] care of Dan McCoy,

[28:52] care of Hallie Haglund,

[28:54] 123 Los Angeles Street.

Dan McCoy

[28:56] They can tell me whether,

[28:57] you know,

[28:58] corvids grab fish from ponds or not,

[29:03] or whether that's not a thing

[29:05] that a raven would normally do.

[29:07] Mm-hmm.

[29:08] Yeah, we'll have an insta-poll vote,

Elliott Kalan

[29:10] that's so raven or that's not so raven.

[29:12] Yeah.

[29:15] Okay, well-

[29:17] Dan just pulled an Instagram.

[29:18] Great, but also,

Hallie Haglund

[29:19] also another confusing detail.

[29:21] So it's like,

[29:22] he stomps on this fish,

[29:23] and then she's like,

[29:24] Miles,

[29:25] why would you do that?

[29:25] And he's like,

[29:26] nothing should have to suffer.

[29:28] So then you get the sense that

[29:30] that's gonna,

[29:31] that's foreshadowing,

[29:32] and that line is gonna have something

[29:34] to do with the plot.

[29:35] It does not.

Dan McCoy

[29:36] It does not.

[29:37] No, that's true.

Stuart Wellington

[29:38] No, like,

[29:39] even if there was a,

[29:40] even if there was an evil ghost inside him,

[29:42] at least,

[29:43] like,

[29:43] that sentiment isn't that evil.

[29:44] Like,

[29:45] you should think that this ghost

[29:46] is a good ghost.

[29:47] Okay, well,

[29:48] we'll talk about good ghosts later

[29:49] when we review-

[29:50] A good,

[29:50] good,

[29:51] good,

[29:51] good ghost?

[29:52] Mm-hmm.

[29:53] Yep,

[29:53] so,

[29:54] there's a,

[29:55] there's a lot of sequences where-

[29:58] I'm like a dancer in a shot.

[30:01] I'll take it.

Stuart Wellington

[30:03] I'm like a baby.

[30:07] There's a lot of sequences

[30:08] where she has a scare,

[30:11] and then she wakes up,

[30:13] and it's like,

[30:13] oh,

[30:13] it was just a dream,

[30:14] and then there's another scare,

[30:16] and you're like,

[30:17] how many fucking nested dreams

[30:18] are we having?

[30:19] Like,

[30:19] are we all in

[30:21] fucking killing Murphy

[30:23] his mind or something?

[30:24] What's happening?

[30:25] Okay,

[30:26] so,

[30:26] there's,

[30:27] Miles makes a weird comment

[30:29] about how Kate has a sexy tattoo,

[30:31] and we learn that she has

[30:33] an Ura Burroughs tattoo

[30:34] on the back of her neck,

[30:35] which,

[30:36] depending on the time

[30:37] and where she got it,

[30:37] that might have been

[30:38] an illegal tattoo,

[30:39] right?

[30:41] Okay.

[30:42] A legal tattoo?

[30:43] I don't understand.

[30:44] Yeah,

[30:44] tattooing wasn't legal

[30:45] in a lot like in New York

[30:47] until,

[30:47] I think,

[30:48] the mid-90s.

[30:50] Huh.

[30:50] Wow,

[30:51] interesting.

[30:52] That's the most

[30:53] interesting thing I've heard.

[30:54] Stu's tattoo talk corner.

[30:56] Oh,

[30:56] cool.

[30:57] Wow,

[30:57] I didn't know I was going

[30:58] to be impressing you guys

[30:59] with my knowledge.

[31:00] Right in,

[31:01] of course,

[31:01] was that little knowledge

[31:03] drop Raven

[31:04] or not so Raven?

[31:05] Oh,

Dan McCoy

[31:06] that's kind of confused

[31:07] the other results,

[31:08] though.

[31:09] Oh,

[31:09] no,

[31:09] I poisoned the well.

[31:10] It's not really related

[31:11] to the Raven thing.

[31:11] But,

Dan McCoy

[31:11] that's so Raven

[31:12] colon tattoo issue

[31:15] in the email.

[31:17] Wow,

[31:17] complicated.

[31:18] We could start

[31:19] a new mailbox

[31:20] for this one,

[31:20] but I guess,

[31:21] okay,

[31:21] we don't need to.

[31:22] Well,

[31:22] I didn't want to,

[31:23] you know,

[31:24] we have to yes and,

[31:25] even if it's a confusing issue.

Elliott Kalan

[31:29] That's fair.

[31:29] Oh,

[31:29] yeah,

[31:29] New York City band tattooing

[31:31] between 1961 and 1997,

[31:33] it says.

Stuart Wellington

[31:34] Oh,

[31:34] shit.

[31:35] Man,

[31:36] you know,

[31:37] what do I do when I'm right?

[31:38] Because I'm not right

[31:38] very often on this podcast.

[31:41] Do I get,

[31:41] should I do a little dance?

[31:43] Yeah,

[31:43] do it.

[31:44] Okay,

[31:44] Dan.

[31:45] He's dancing.

[31:46] Wait,

[31:46] okay,

[31:46] he's up.

[31:47] Oh,

[31:47] wait,

[31:47] yep,

[31:48] he's doing a Charleston.

Elliott Kalan

[31:49] He's on the table.

[31:50] Yep,

Stuart Wellington

[31:50] okay,

[31:51] stop waving that around.

[31:52] Okay,

[31:52] the pants need to stay on,

[31:53] Stu.

[31:54] All right,

[31:55] okay.

[31:56] Okay.

[31:57] Okay,

[31:57] so.

[31:57] That dance really took a lot out of you.

[31:59] Yeah.

[32:00] Okay,

[32:01] so she's like,

[32:02] okay,

[32:02] this place is fucking weird.

[32:04] I got to get out of here.

[32:04] So she decides to take the kids

[32:06] on a little trip

[32:06] and the kids are like,

[32:08] okay,

[32:08] but only if our,

[32:09] you know,

[32:10] secret protector says we can go.

[32:13] And so they get in the car

[32:15] and they're about to leave

[32:15] and I was like,

[32:16] oh,

[32:16] great,

[32:17] we're going to have another location

[32:18] in this movie.

[32:18] No,

[32:19] no,

[32:19] not so fast.

[32:20] This is a cheap horror movie,

[32:21] only one location.

[32:23] So they can't leave.

[32:26] Flora starts to have

[32:28] what appears to be

[32:28] some kind of a panic attack

[32:30] and then Miles gets very aggressive,

[32:33] which is,

[32:33] again,

[32:33] not cool.

Dan McCoy

[32:34] Did we mention that their parents died

[32:37] at an accident right by the gate?

[32:39] That this is perhaps the source of,

[32:42] like,

[32:43] this is at least an explanation

[32:44] for her panic attack.

[32:47] Although,

[32:48] you know,

[32:48] this being a horror movie,

[32:50] you know,

[32:51] it's also kind of a red herring

[32:52] where you're like,

[32:53] is this person kept here

[32:55] through some ghostly means?

[32:57] Like,

[32:57] why can't she leave?

Elliott Kalan

[32:58] A red herring being pecked at

[33:00] by a raven.

[33:01] Maybe,

[33:01] right into

[33:02] that's so raven

[33:03] or that's not so raven

[33:04] care of Dan McCoy.

[33:06] Let us know.

Stuart Wellington

[33:07] Okay,

[33:07] so,

[33:08] you know,

[33:09] Kate's pretty shaken up,

[33:11] shook up,

[33:12] shaken,

[33:13] shooken,

[33:14] whatever.

Elliott Kalan

[33:15] Let me check with Elvis.

[33:17] He says all shook up.

Stuart Wellington

[33:18] Okay.

[33:18] So she,

[33:19] you know,

[33:19] she's having a little bit of a crisis.

[33:21] She is talking to her friend,

[33:23] her former roommate,

[33:24] and the stakes are pretty clear

[33:26] at this point.

[33:26] They lay them out.

[33:27] That she could just

[33:28] bail and go back

[33:29] to her old life.

[33:31] She could go back

[33:31] to her old

[33:32] living situation,

[33:33] or she could try

[33:35] and stay there

[33:36] and help the kids

[33:36] and the ghosts.

[33:38] So she decides

[33:38] to try and make up

[33:39] with Flora and Miles.

[33:41] Two mixed results,

[33:42] I would say.

Hallie Haglund

[33:43] Because she pinkies,

[33:44] she made a promise

[33:45] across her heart,

[33:46] hoped to die

[33:47] with Flora

[33:48] that she would stay.

Stuart Wellington

[33:50] Now,

[33:50] as somebody who doesn't

[33:51] spend much time

[33:52] with children,

[33:52] that kind of a promise

[33:53] seems like garbage to me.

[33:55] Yeah.

[33:55] It's legally binding

[33:56] in kids' court.

[33:57] Kids break those promises

Elliott Kalan

[33:59] all the time.

[34:00] That's what I'm saying.

[34:01] Oh,

[34:01] I think

[34:02] five times today

[34:03] I've made an agreement

[34:04] with my three-year-old

[34:06] and then he's immediately

[34:07] gone back on it.

[34:08] Kids are,

[34:09] yeah,

[34:09] they're weasels.

[34:10] You know,

[34:10] they'll say anything

Stuart Wellington

[34:12] and they'll do anything.

[34:13] Yeah.

[34:14] They're wild.

[34:15] Okay,

[34:15] so.

[34:15] Round them up.

Elliott Kalan

[34:16] Lock them up.

[34:17] That's what I say.

Stuart Wellington

[34:17] Kids.

Elliott Kalan

[34:19] Put them in kid jail.

[34:20] What's the matter

[34:20] with the kids today?

Stuart Wellington

[34:21] Finally,

[34:21] she starts to do

[34:22] a little bit more

[34:23] detective work

[34:24] on,

[34:24] what is it,

[34:25] Miss Jessup?

[34:26] Is that the former

[34:27] governor?

[34:27] Miss Jessel.

[34:28] Jessel.

[34:28] Descendant,

[34:29] we have to assume,

[34:29] of Georgia Jessel,

[34:30] one of the great

[34:31] old-time comedians.

[34:32] Yeah.

[34:33] Who has gone missing

[34:35] and Quint.

[34:36] I mean,

[34:36] Georgie Jessel

[34:36] has long since died.

[34:38] No one's looking for him.

[34:39] Oh,

[34:39] you mean Miss Jessel.

[34:39] Yes,

[34:40] I do.

[34:40] Yeah.

[34:41] I'm glad that me

[34:42] getting a fact right

[34:43] has inspired Elliot

[34:44] to correct me

[34:45] on all my facts.

[34:47] Quint,

[34:48] the,

[34:49] you know,

[34:49] the now dead

[34:50] groundskeeper,

[34:51] stable master.

[34:52] So she's doing

[34:52] some detective work

[34:53] on this pair,

[34:54] but really not that much

[34:56] other than we find out

[34:57] that Miss Jessel

[34:59] was frightened of Quint,

[35:01] that he was

[35:01] a threatening presence,

[35:02] and that we'll learn

[35:03] that he is,

[35:05] what,

[35:05] abusive,

[35:06] assaultive,

[35:07] a murderer.

[35:09] All of the above.

[35:10] Yeah.

[35:11] If the ghosts

[35:12] are to be believed.

[35:13] There's a bunch more

[35:13] ghost dreams.

[35:14] She decides to play

[35:15] a game of fucking

[35:16] hide and seek.

[35:16] It's pretty far into the movie.

[35:17] Yeah,

[35:18] it's pretty far in.

Hallie Haglund

[35:19] Yeah,

[35:20] like these people

[35:20] are supposed to be

[35:21] the crux of the whole movie,

[35:23] and we like just

[35:25] sort of learned

[35:25] who Quint was.

Dan McCoy

[35:28] Yeah.

[35:29] And I gotta admit,

[35:31] you know,

[35:31] I've,

[35:31] I read the turn of the screw,

[35:33] you know,

[35:34] back in college,

[35:35] and I saw

[35:36] The Innocents

[35:37] last year,

[35:39] I think,

[35:40] which was maybe

[35:41] the second time

[35:41] I've seen it

[35:42] in my life,

[35:43] so I've had

[35:44] at least some

[35:44] grounding

[35:46] in other,

[35:47] like the original

[35:48] and adaptations

[35:49] of this,

[35:50] but I don't know

[35:51] that it would be

[35:51] very clear to me

[35:52] what the deal was

[35:54] with these

[35:54] two characters,

[35:56] these missing,

[35:59] you know,

[35:59] like other

[36:00] servants,

[36:01] if I didn't

[36:03] have that background.

[36:04] Oh,

[36:05] movie the movie

[36:05] doesn't,

[36:06] yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[36:07] It's not a movie

[36:08] that is welcoming

[36:08] to people who don't

[36:09] already know the story

[36:10] of the movie.

[36:11] I mean,

[36:11] to be honest,

[36:11] if you didn't already

[36:12] know the story,

[36:12] you might not even

[36:13] know it was a ghost

[36:13] movie until

[36:14] very far into it.

Stuart Wellington

[36:17] Yeah,

[36:17] it,

[36:18] I mean,

[36:18] I feel like one of the

[36:19] things this movie

[36:20] suffers from is that

[36:21] we're comparing

[36:22] almost everything

[36:23] to other

[36:23] interpretations

[36:25] of it,

[36:26] other adaptations,

[36:28] and it,

[36:29] it just doesn't

[36:30] stack up.

[36:32] So,

[36:33] she,

[36:34] let's see,

[36:34] oh,

[36:36] this is,

[36:37] this is a,

[36:38] you know,

[36:38] she decides to play

[36:39] a game of hide and seek,

[36:40] she gets scared a bunch,

[36:41] she gets a bloody nose,

[36:43] I mean,

[36:43] this is the sort of thing

[36:44] where you're like,

[36:44] this is Ghost House 101,

[36:46] like at this point,

[36:47] why are you playing

[36:47] hide and seek?

Elliott Kalan

[36:49] I totally want to see

[36:50] a show you host now,

[36:51] Stuart,

[36:51] called Ghost House 101,

[36:52] where you're,

[36:53] it's like a haunted

[36:53] house competition show.

Stuart Wellington

[36:55] Yeah,

[36:55] I mean,

[36:56] obviously the first lesson

[36:57] is like,

[36:57] oh,

[36:58] yeah,

[36:58] you got some spooky

[36:59] ghost stuff,

[37:00] just go,

[37:01] stay in a hotel.

[37:02] If the ghost follows you,

[37:04] then we'll,

[37:04] that's a different kind

[37:05] of ghost,

[37:05] we can deal with that.

[37:06] Yeah,

[37:06] yeah,

[37:07] that's,

Dan McCoy

[37:07] if there's a big

[37:08] stain on the wall,

[37:11] don't look in there,

[37:12] or maybe do,

[37:13] if the ghost wants you

[37:14] to do something

[37:14] with their bones.

[37:15] Yeah,

[37:16] exactly.

Elliott Kalan

[37:16] But it's hard to know that

[37:18] until you go into the room,

[37:19] and now I can see

[37:20] the commercials that were used,

[37:21] it's just Ghost House 101,

[37:22] and Stuart goes,

[37:23] class is in session,

[37:24] and that's how,

[37:25] that's how the commercial ends.

Stuart Wellington

[37:26] If you find the ghost's bones,

[37:28] have somebody you,

[37:29] don't like,

[37:30] deal with them first,

[37:31] in case putting them

[37:32] into the stain on the wall

[37:34] causes a negative result.

Dan McCoy

[37:36] Yeah.

[37:36] You know what the ghost wants,

[37:38] almost always you don't know

[37:40] what the ghost wants.

[37:41] Not until the third act.

Elliott Kalan

[37:43] Yeah,

[37:43] they're very hard to predict.

[37:45] After the fact,

[37:46] it seems like they could have

[37:47] just told you

[37:47] the thing that they wanted,

[37:49] but they don't want to do that.

[37:50] Ghosts love head games.

[37:51] Do you guys,

[37:52] do you guys have the same experience

[37:53] I had when I went on it?

[37:53] Ghost therapy.

[37:55] When I went on,

[37:56] yeah,

[37:56] maybe it's a ghost therapy show,

[37:58] Stuart.

[37:58] Maybe you're a therapist

[37:59] who deals with ghosts.

[38:00] The hardest part is getting them

[38:01] to communicate clearly.

Dan McCoy

[38:02] Why do you find it so hard

[38:03] to ask for the things you need,

[38:05] ghosts?

Stuart Wellington

[38:05] Mm-hmm.

[38:06] Yeah,

[38:06] this is all great stuff.

[38:08] Let's start TMing this.

[38:09] Let's write it up.

Dan McCoy

[38:10] By the way,

[38:11] Elliot,

[38:11] if you said that already,

[38:13] every once in a while

[38:15] you keep cutting out,

[38:17] so we just have to play a game

[38:18] where we guess

[38:19] what you're saying.

Elliott Kalan

[38:20] I know.

[38:20] My internet connection today

[38:21] is not so great.

[38:22] You've been doing a great job so far.

[38:23] Have you guys,

[38:24] did you guys have the experience

[38:25] I had on the Haunted Mansion ride

[38:27] as a kid,

[38:28] where at the end

[38:29] you look into a trick mirror

[38:30] and there's a ghost

[38:31] in the car with you,

[38:32] and it says,

[38:33] oh,

[38:33] he's going to be going home with you,

[38:34] and I was young enough

[38:34] that I thought a ghost

[38:36] might be following us

[38:37] the rest of the day,

[38:38] and it really spooked me out,

[38:39] and it was until years later

[38:40] that I was like,

[38:40] there's no way

[38:41] a successful theme park

[38:42] is just going to be

[38:43] throwing ghosts at people.

[38:44] There's no way.

[38:45] Hold on a second.

Dan McCoy

[38:46] I thought you were going to be like,

[38:47] there's no way

[38:47] a successful ghost

[38:48] would want to come home with me.

[38:49] He has his own.

[38:50] Yeah,

[38:51] he's got his own stuff.

[38:52] No,

Elliott Kalan

[38:52] you don't know with ghosts.

[38:53] Like you were saying,

[38:53] you don't know,

[38:54] and they're not very clear

[38:54] in their communications

[38:55] that you never know

[38:56] what they want,

[38:56] but it was like,

[38:57] you know what,

[38:58] if this ride

[38:59] was really sending ghosts

[39:00] after people,

[39:01] they'd probably shut it down.

[39:02] They'd probably change it

[39:03] to something else.

[39:04] They'd run out of ghosts.

[39:05] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[39:06] So,

[39:07] limited resources

[39:08] is what we're saying.

Elliott Kalan

[39:08] They're having a meeting,

[39:09] the Imagineers are having a meeting,

[39:10] they're like,

[39:11] we're low on ghosts,

[39:12] everybody.

[39:12] The attendance has been

[39:13] very high this year.

[39:14] We don't have enough ghosts.

[39:15] We have to start murdering people.

[39:18] That's one answer.

[39:19] Okay,

[39:20] at least someone's giving me solutions

[39:21] and not just problems.

Stuart Wellington

[39:23] So,

[39:23] she gets a package in the mail,

[39:25] opens out,

[39:25] it's from her mom.

[39:26] Of course,

[39:27] it's filled with some spooky art

[39:29] that is basically just like

[39:31] a lot of charcoal

[39:32] smeared on a piece of paper.

[39:33] Yeah.

[39:34] Yeah,

Hallie Haglund

[39:34] I thought that was going to be

[39:35] something too

[39:36] because it had all these holes in it

[39:38] oh,

[39:39] I bet she made those holes

[39:41] with a screw.

Dan McCoy

[39:45] Oh,

[39:46] that would have been awesome.

[39:48] Famous screw.

[39:50] Mm-hmm.

Elliott Kalan

[39:51] And then in Planet Hollywood,

[39:52] you could see,

[39:53] you could see the screw,

[39:54] a famous screw

[39:55] from the turn of the screw.

[39:56] Uh-huh.

Stuart Wellington

[39:57] Yep.

[39:57] Right next to my Bruno sunglasses.

[40:00] So,

[40:00] uh...

[40:02] Your Bruno sunglasses?

[40:05] Yeah.

[40:06] Worn by Stuart Wellington.

Dan McCoy

[40:09] Yep,

[40:09] Bruce Willis is actually

[40:10] just Stuart's alter ego,

[40:12] just like Bruno is,

[40:14] Bruce Willis is alter ego.

[40:15] Yeah,

[40:15] yeah,

[40:16] I have to,

Stuart Wellington

[40:16] I have to,

[40:17] I was bitten by a radioactive egg

[40:19] so I turned into Bruce Willis

[40:21] on a full...

[40:21] Okay.

[40:24] So,

[40:25] uh,

[40:26] she,

[40:26] of course,

[40:27] uh,

[40:27] follows a ghost to a pond

[40:29] and she finds Miss Jessel's

[40:30] dead body in the pond.

[40:32] She's like,

[40:33] ah,

[40:33] it's time to get the fuck out of here.

[40:34] So she goes back to the house

[40:36] where she witnesses

[40:37] a ghostly assault

[40:38] where she watches

[40:40] ghost Quint,

[40:41] uh,

[40:41] strangle,

[40:42] uh,

[40:43] ghost Miss Jessel.

[40:44] And then,

[40:45] uh,

[40:46] ghost Quint starts to attack her

[40:48] and then,

[40:49] uh,

[40:50] pushes,

[40:50] uh,

[40:51] Miss Gross,

[40:52] Gross,

[40:53] Groza,

[40:54] uh,

[40:54] over the balcony.

[40:55] I don't know why Elliot

Hallie Haglund

[40:57] has reinvented the pronunciation

[40:58] of this.

[40:59] I think you're just

[41:00] the way it's spelled.

[41:01] Just because the way it's spelled.

[41:03] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[41:03] so,

[41:03] uh,

[41:04] I do want the character

[41:04] to be more interesting

[41:05] than she is.

[41:06] Because Mrs. Gross

[41:07] is just a bit on the nose

[41:08] as a character

[41:09] in a horror movie.

Dan McCoy

[41:10] She gets pushed over the balcony.

[41:12] Hello,

Elliott Kalan

[41:12] I'm your boss,

[41:14] Mr. Spooks.

[41:15] Okay,

[41:16] well.

Stuart Wellington

[41:17] So she gets pushed over the balcony

[41:19] and we get like a kind of fun little stunt.

[41:21] Uh,

[41:22] uh,

[41:22] and then Kate runs through the house.

[41:25] She tries to get the kids to join her,

[41:28] um,

[41:29] and,

[41:29] uh,

[41:30] escape the grounds.

[41:31] But then as she's,

[41:33] uh,

[41:34] as she's,

[41:34] what,

[41:34] driving up to the front gate,

[41:36] it cuts back

[41:37] to her opening the package

[41:40] with her mom's artwork.

[41:42] Yeah.

[41:43] So that stuff was all,

[41:44] I guess,

[41:45] a dreamer in her head.

[41:46] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[41:47] what the fuck?

[41:48] Is it more interesting to read it

[41:49] as something that did happen,

[41:51] but the house has kind of caught her

[41:52] in some sort of loop of existence?

[41:55] Yes,

[41:55] that is much more interesting.

[41:57] It does feel,

[41:57] because I had the same feeling

[41:58] when I was reading,

[41:59] watching it.

[41:59] I was like,

[41:59] oh,

[41:59] okay,

[42:00] so she imagined all the ghost stuff

[42:03] and the exciting stuff

[42:04] while she was looking at this charcoal

[42:06] drawing full of holes.

Stuart Wellington

[42:08] Maybe it's a commentary on,

[42:09] uh,

[42:10] the power of,

[42:10] powerful effects of art

[42:12] can have on people.

[42:13] Like,

[42:13] I know when you go to the museum,

[42:14] don't you stare into the paintings

[42:16] and then imagine a whole lifetime

[42:17] of experiences?

[42:19] Very much so.

Dan McCoy

[42:20] escaping some ghosts.

Stuart Wellington

[42:22] Imagine trying to escape a ghost house.

Dan McCoy

[42:25] I mean,

[42:25] think about like,

Stuart Wellington

[42:26] It's kind of like her tattoo.

Elliott Kalan

[42:27] It never ends.

[42:28] Thank you.

[42:29] Right.

[42:30] Thank you.

[42:31] This is a great movie.

[42:31] It makes sense.

[42:32] I mean,

[42:33] at least you're saying,

[42:34] Stuart,

[42:34] this is more of a velvet buzzsaw

[42:36] type reading of the movie

[42:37] where it's,

[42:38] uh,

[42:38] art that's so powerful

[42:39] that it kills.

Stuart Wellington

[42:40] Uh-huh.

[42:41] Yeah,

[42:41] that was a movie I liked.

[42:42] This is more of a velveteen rabbit

[42:44] of a movie.

Hallie Haglund

[42:44] I like that movie.

[42:45] Oh,

[42:45] she's talking about that movie.

Stuart Wellington

[42:48] Yeah,

[42:48] I mean,

[42:48] it's,

[42:49] it's basically what,

[42:50] like a final destination movie,

[42:52] uh,

[42:52] but like,

[42:53] but with a lot of,

[42:55] uh,

[42:55] good actors in it,

[42:56] uh,

[42:57] and not quite as fun

[42:58] as a final destination,

[42:59] whatever.

[42:59] Um,

[43:00] okay,

[43:00] so,

[43:01] uh,

[43:02] then,

[43:03] uh,

[43:04] she tries to run over to the kids

[43:05] and be like,

[43:06] we gotta get out of here.

[43:07] This is a ghost house.

[43:08] Let's break out.

[43:08] And the kids are like,

[43:09] what are you talking about?

[43:10] Um,

[43:11] and she just comes off

[43:12] as appearing,

[43:12] like,

[43:13] very unhinged.

[43:14] And then,

[43:15] uh,

[43:16] while this realization

[43:17] is hitting her,

[43:18] she then wakes up.

[43:19] She is now in the mental hospital

[43:21] with her mother

[43:21] where her mother

[43:22] is scritching away

[43:23] on her charcoal board.

Dan McCoy

[43:24] There's a zoom into her eye.

[43:26] I wouldn't say that she wakes up.

[43:27] There's a zoom into her eye

[43:29] where she is

[43:30] with her mom

[43:31] in like,

[43:32] this sort of black space.

[43:34] Uh-huh.

[43:35] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[43:35] Okay.

[43:36] Uh,

[43:36] I'm sure that,

[43:37] uh,

[43:37] clarification is gonna help

[43:39] the listener.

[43:39] Well,

[43:39] I don't,

Elliott Kalan

[43:40] I,

[43:40] it's not like she woke up.

[43:41] It's not a dream.

Stuart Wellington

[43:43] Like,

[43:43] it is different.

Elliott Kalan

[43:44] This is.

[43:44] Stu,

[43:45] I feel like Stu,

[43:46] you're,

[43:46] you're imposing

[43:46] an explanation

[43:48] onto a scene

[43:48] that is very unclear

[43:49] in the movie.

Stuart Wellington

[43:50] Yeah,

[43:50] yeah.

[43:51] You guys are both right.

[43:52] Um,

[43:52] and then she,

[43:53] she approaches,

[43:54] she approaches her mother

[43:55] who's scritching away,

[43:56] uh,

[43:57] with charcoal

[43:57] and then her mother turns

[43:59] and she,

[44:00] uh,

[44:01] freaks out.

[44:02] Uh,

[44:02] is it because it's not her mother,

[44:04] it's her?

[44:05] Who knows?

[44:06] Maybe her mom just looks

[44:07] extra twisted.

[44:09] Because we don't see

[44:09] her mother's face.

[44:10] Uh-huh.

Elliott Kalan

[44:10] We see the back of her mother's head

[44:11] and Kate screams

[44:13] and then the movie's over

[44:14] and that's when I was like,

[44:14] wait a minute.

[44:16] So what did I,

[44:16] I had to rewatch that

[44:17] little bit of the thing

[44:18] because I was like,

[44:18] did I miss something

[44:19] while I was doing the dishes?

[44:20] Oh no,

[44:20] it's exactly that.

[44:21] Yeah.

[44:22] You know.

Stuart Wellington

[44:22] Yeah.

[44:23] Yeah.

[44:23] It's the,

[44:24] the trunk of the car

[44:25] from Repo Man.

Dan McCoy

[44:26] Well,

[44:26] it's kind of,

[44:27] I mean like the movies

[44:27] seems to sort of be doing,

[44:30] so okay,

[44:31] it's playing off the ambiguity,

[44:33] ambiguity of Turn of the Screw,

[44:35] right?

[44:35] It's playing off like,

[44:36] is there a ghost?

[44:37] Is she having a mental breakdown?

[44:42] And I,

[44:44] trying to do,

[44:45] I feel like,

[44:46] a Lady and the Tiger ending

[44:47] where we see both things happen,

[44:49] you know?

[44:50] Like,

[44:50] like,

[44:51] what if we made a movie

[44:51] of the Lady and the Tiger

[44:52] and we see the lady

[44:53] behind one door

[44:54] and then we see the tiger

[44:56] behind the same door

[44:57] except for the way

[44:58] that movies work,

[45:00] the chronology,

[45:02] you know,

[45:03] like,

[45:03] the thing that we see last

[45:04] takes precedence,

[45:05] right?

[45:05] So like,

[45:06] the movie seems,

Elliott Kalan

[45:07] That's the clue principle.

[45:08] Yeah,

[45:08] the last ending of clue

[45:09] is the real one.

Dan McCoy

[45:10] Yeah,

[45:11] the movie seems to be landing

[45:12] on the idea

[45:13] that she is,

[45:15] you know,

[45:15] has some sort of dementia

[45:17] like her mom

[45:18] and then like,

[45:19] that last bit

[45:20] is kind of representing her

[45:21] like being terrified

[45:22] like,

[45:23] that it's true

[45:24] that like,

[45:25] she is the thing

[45:27] that she was fearing

[45:29] but it's,

[45:30] it's,

[45:30] it's so confusing

[45:31] the way the movie does it.

Hallie Haglund

[45:33] Now,

[45:34] if,

[45:34] But that only would have

[45:35] made sense

[45:35] if they had set it up

[45:37] the whole time

[45:38] that like,

[45:39] every spooky thing

[45:41] was seen through her eyes

[45:43] and it wasn't.

[45:44] Like,

[45:44] there were tons of events

[45:45] where she would close a door

[45:47] like,

[45:47] like when she

[45:48] sees the,

[45:49] uh,

[45:50] grandmother mannequin

[45:51] and she like,

[45:52] puts it in the other room

[45:53] and then she closes the door

[45:54] and she's not witnessing

[45:55] when the mannequin

[45:56] like,

[45:56] moves alone.

[45:57] True.

[45:58] So it's like,

[45:58] we already

[45:59] believe that this house

[46:02] is haunted

[46:02] so how can we also believe

[46:04] that,

[46:04] you know,

[46:05] it's either both

[46:06] but,

[46:07] or,

[46:08] or,

[46:09] she didn't go crazy

[46:10] but it's not

[46:11] that she just went crazy.

Elliott Kalan

[46:13] Maybe the movie

[46:13] does want to have it both ways

[46:14] where it is a haunted house

[46:15] and she is mentally unstable

[46:17] and is going mad

[46:19] and it's all,

[46:19] like,

[46:20] or,

[46:20] here's another,

[46:21] okay,

[46:21] here's another,

[46:22] here's another explanation.

[46:23] Here's where I get my no prize.

[46:24] from the makers of The Turning.

[46:26] Uh,

[46:26] the reason that that mannequin

[46:28] turns its head like that

[46:29] when she's not in the room

[46:30] is because she's actually telekinetic.

[46:33] There's no ghosts

[46:33] but she is creating

[46:35] all these things

[46:36] with her mind.

[46:37] She's both

[46:37] imagining it

[46:39] and making it real

[46:40] at the same time.

[46:41] Well,

[46:42] uh,

[46:42] Marvel Comics

[46:43] can send me my no prize.

[46:44] I know this is not

[46:44] a Marvel Comics story.

[46:45] It's a movie

[46:46] made by other people

[46:47] based on our Henry James story

[46:48] but,

[46:49] uh,

[46:49] they can send it to me

[46:50] at my address

[46:50] which is,

[46:52] is that so Raven

[46:53] or is that not so Raven

[46:54] care of Dan's house?

[46:55] Uh,

[46:55] one,

[46:56] two,

[46:56] three,

[46:56] fake street,

[46:57] Hollywood America.

[46:58] Oh boy.

[46:59] Four,

[46:59] five,

[46:59] six,

[46:59] nine,

[46:59] thousand.

[47:00] It's so confusing.

[47:01] Now it's 1,500.

Stuart Wellington

[47:02] If you had seen the movie

[47:03] Clue in the movie theater

[47:04] and you only got

[47:05] one of the endings,

[47:07] would you have felt

[47:07] a little ripped off

[47:09] or no?

[47:09] What do you think?

Elliott Kalan

[47:10] That's apparently

[47:10] what kept a lot of people

[47:12] from seeing Clue

[47:13] in the theaters

[47:13] is that they advertised

[47:14] there are three different endings.

[47:16] These are the theaters

[47:17] where ending A is playing,

[47:18] this where ending B is playing,

[47:20] this where ending C is playing

[47:20] and people were like,

[47:21] I don't want to get a bad ending.

[47:22] I'm just not going to see

[47:23] this stupid movie

[47:24] and so they,

[47:25] it did hurt Clue quite a bit,

[47:26] you know,

[47:27] uh,

[47:28] and it wasn't until

[47:29] it was on TV

[47:29] and on video

[47:30] that they included

[47:30] all the endings

[47:31] and people were like,

[47:32] oh,

[47:32] that's funny.

Dan McCoy

[47:35] So,

[47:36] um,

[47:37] we've reached the end

[47:38] of this,

[47:39] you know,

[47:39] pretty simple,

[47:40] uh,

[47:40] film.

[47:41] A simple little ghost tale.

[47:43] So,

Elliott Kalan

[47:44] I think,

[47:45] uh,

[47:45] it's a movie that is,

[47:46] it's reaching towards ambiguity

[47:48] and it manages to instead

[47:49] reach only confusion.

[47:50] Is that how you guys

[47:51] felt about it?

[47:52] Well,

[47:52] certainly in that,

[47:53] like,

Dan McCoy

[47:54] I,

[47:55] I,

[47:55] fine,

[47:56] you know,

[47:56] do your ambiguous ending

[47:57] where it's like,

[47:58] okay,

[47:58] one thing happens

[47:59] and then it's revealed

[48:01] to maybe be a fan

[48:02] to see

[48:02] and,

[48:03] and,

[48:04] uh,

[48:04] just the product

[48:05] of her mind.

[48:06] But then to,

[48:07] like,

[48:07] add a third thing

[48:08] let's zoom into her eye

[48:10] and,

[48:11] like,

[48:11] she screams at someone

[48:12] whose face we do not see.

[48:14] That's the part

[48:15] that adds

[48:16] just a little extra cherry

[48:17] of like,

[48:18] wait,

[48:18] why did you do it

[48:19] that way?

[48:20] Uh-huh.

Stuart Wellington

[48:21] Like,

[48:22] how,

[48:22] how many times

[48:23] do you think

[48:23] they had to go back

[48:24] and punch this movie up?

[48:26] Because,

[48:26] like,

[48:27] it feels like the movie

[48:28] wanted to be,

[48:28] To add jokes?

[48:29] Yeah,

[48:30] that's what I'm saying.

[48:31] I mean,

[48:32] it's hilarious

[48:32] how much extra work

[48:34] had to go in

[48:34] to make it hilarious.

Dan McCoy

[48:35] Yeah,

[48:35] Pat Moswalt was in a room

[48:36] somewhere,

[48:37] like,

[48:37] pitching ADR.

[48:38] Oh,

[48:39] yeah.

[48:39] Add additions.

Elliott Kalan

[48:40] Hey,

[48:40] I'm a ghost,

[48:41] don't close that door.

[48:42] Oops.

[48:42] Like,

[48:42] that kind of stuff.

Stuart Wellington

[48:43] Yeah,

[48:44] oh man,

[48:44] he'd be great at that.

[48:46] Uh,

[48:46] no,

[48:47] but the,

[48:48] like,

[48:48] I feel like there's

[48:49] definitely scenes

[48:50] where they were like,

[48:51] okay,

[48:52] go back,

[48:53] add a ghost to that mirror.

[48:54] Yeah.

[48:55] Add a ghost to the,

[48:56] put a ghost behind her.

Hallie Haglund

[48:57] That was the scariest stuff,

[48:59] was,

[48:59] was only like,

[49:00] the ghost in the mirror,

[49:01] the ghost behind her,

[49:02] the ghost in the wall.

[49:03] That was the only stuff

[49:04] that was scary.

Elliott Kalan

[49:05] There's one part I liked a lot,

[49:06] actually,

[49:06] where there's that ghost hand

[49:08] that keeps crawling

[49:09] onto her shoulder.

[49:10] Yeah.

[49:10] I mean,

[49:10] it did look a little bit like

[49:11] thing from the Addams family,

[49:12] but it was,

[49:13] but I thought that was it.

[49:14] When you,

[49:15] when you realize that

[49:15] that hand,

[49:16] it was not connected

[49:16] to anything,

[49:17] that was really creepy to me,

[49:18] but otherwise,

[49:19] yeah,

[49:19] it's mostly,

[49:20] what's that in that mirror?

[49:21] And there was one point

[49:21] at the end where

[49:22] it was like,

[49:23] she got scared

[49:23] at something in a mirror,

[49:24] but I could not,

[49:25] I didn't see the ghost,

[49:26] so I thought it was the ladder

[49:27] that was scaring her,

[49:28] and then she looks again

[49:29] and the ladder wasn't there,

[49:30] so is it a dead ladder

[49:31] that's haunting her?

[49:33] Like,

[49:33] I don't know what,

[49:33] She realized that she

Dan McCoy

[49:34] walked under that ladder

[49:36] earlier,

[49:37] and,

[49:37] you know,

[49:38] all the bad luck

[49:38] was terrifying her.

Stuart Wellington

[49:41] Yeah,

[49:42] what do you guys think

[49:42] of the ghost effects?

[49:43] So,

[49:43] like,

[49:44] the most ghostly

[49:45] part of the movie,

[49:47] Mostly ghostly,

[49:48] yeah,

[49:48] was the scene

[49:50] where ghost Quint

[49:51] is strangling

[49:53] ghost Miss Jessel,

[49:56] and it was,

[49:57] I was not a huge fan

[49:59] of these ghost effects.

[50:00] They were like,

[50:00] very,

[50:01] I don't know,

[50:03] like blurry,

[50:04] and I don't,

[50:07] yeah,

[50:07] just,

[50:08] like,

[50:08] I guess if I was

[50:09] in the room

[50:10] and that was happening,

[50:11] I would be pretty scared.

[50:12] You certainly would be.

[50:14] You certainly would be.

[50:15] The goosebumps.

[50:16] The goosebumps theory.

Elliott Kalan

[50:19] I guess if I was in a room

[50:20] and some blurry,

[50:20] a blurry guy was strangling

[50:21] a blurry woman,

[50:22] I'd be like a little weirded out,

[50:24] but I'd be like,

[50:25] let me see it.

[50:26] Let me see it.

[50:27] It is,

[50:28] it is like,

[50:28] like the,

[50:29] like a Dave McKean cover

[50:30] for an issue of Sandman

[50:32] okay,

[50:32] this is like a blurry picture

[50:33] of something,

[50:34] okay.

[50:35] Yeah,

[50:35] that's,

[50:36] especially at the end

[50:37] when Quint's ghost

[50:37] is kind of chasing after them,

[50:39] and it looked like

[50:40] they'd taken a picture

[50:41] of like Lemmy

[50:42] from Motorhead

[50:43] and just kind of

[50:44] smeared chicken grease

[50:45] on the lens

[50:46] and were just,

[50:47] it was,

[50:47] that was chasing them around.

[50:48] It was,

[50:49] all I could make out

[50:50] was that it was a man

[50:50] with a mustache

[50:51] that was,

[50:51] you know,

[50:52] hard to see.

Hallie Haglund

[50:52] I only thought,

[50:55] the only thing

[50:56] that I thought

[50:56] was scary

[50:57] was when they would

[50:58] show Miss Jessel

[51:00] just like,

[51:02] she would,

[51:03] the,

[51:04] Kate would walk by

[51:05] and Miss Jessel

[51:06] would be like,

[51:07] her drowned body

[51:08] would be looming

[51:09] or something.

[51:10] Like those,

[51:10] those quick optic

[51:12] things were scary

[51:13] to me,

[51:14] but,

[51:14] but the,

[51:15] yeah,

[51:15] like seeing the assault

[51:16] and stuff

[51:17] was not

[51:18] particularly effective.

Elliott Kalan

[51:21] Yeah.

[51:21] And that's coming

[51:22] from somebody

[51:22] who wants to see ghosts.

Hallie Haglund

[51:24] I would love,

[51:25] I'm here,

[51:25] I'm your audience.

Elliott Kalan

[51:27] And again,

[51:27] show us,

[51:28] show us again,

[51:28] Hallie,

[51:29] how you'd react

[51:29] to that ghost.

Dan McCoy

[51:31] Yeah.

[51:32] She's chewing on

Elliott Kalan

[51:34] the fingers again.

[51:35] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[51:36] Ah,

[51:36] good stuff.

[51:37] Okay,

[51:37] well,

[51:37] is this,

[51:38] let's do our final judgments.

[51:40] Yeah,

[51:41] why not?

[51:41] Oh,

[51:42] and it's Shocktober,

[51:43] so I'm pulling them

[51:43] out of the closet,

[51:44] the old Shocktober

[51:45] judgment categories.

Elliott Kalan

[51:47] Is that,

[51:47] wait,

[51:47] let's hear a spooky

[51:48] closet sound

Dan McCoy

[51:49] as you pull them

[51:50] out of the closet.

[51:51] Yeah.

[51:51] Yep.

[51:51] So was this movie,

[51:53] wait,

[51:53] wait.

Elliott Kalan

[51:55] Okay,

[51:56] that was the closet opening.

Dan McCoy

[51:57] Okay,

[51:58] is this movie

[51:58] totally scarifying?

[52:01] Was it totally,

[52:02] snorifying

[52:03] or was it

[52:05] frighteningly funny?

[52:07] Oh.

[52:07] And again,

[52:08] these are terrible,

[52:09] terrible categories

[52:11] that are confusing.

[52:13] I,

[52:13] let me say,

[52:14] like,

[52:14] for a large part

[52:16] of this movie,

[52:16] I was like,

[52:17] this isn't so bad,

[52:18] honestly.

[52:19] Like,

[52:20] it is definitely

[52:23] just kind of,

[52:24] like,

[52:24] pro forma

[52:25] ghost movie making,

[52:27] but I like

[52:30] Mackenzie Davis a lot.

[52:32] the kid from

[52:33] Florida Project

[52:35] whose name,

[52:36] I forget,

[52:36] Brooklyn something.

Stuart Wellington

[52:38] Brooklyn Prince,

[52:39] I think is her name.

Dan McCoy

[52:39] Very,

[52:40] very good

[52:40] child actor.

[52:42] I've liked

[52:42] Finn Wolfhard

[52:43] and things.

[52:44] Like,

[52:44] I think that

[52:45] the movie

[52:46] looks pretty good,

[52:48] even though

[52:49] there's the blurry

[52:50] ghost

[52:50] smeariness

[52:52] of it,

[52:52] but I,

[52:53] it's just,

[52:54] it really falls apart

[52:56] more and more

[52:57] as it goes along.

[52:58] and,

[52:59] yeah,

[53:01] I think it's like

[53:02] reaching for being

[53:04] a better horror movie

[53:06] and not just,

[53:07] like,

[53:08] forgettable schlock

[53:09] because why would you

[53:10] choose,

[53:12] oh,

[53:12] we're going to adapt

[53:13] Turn of the Screw

[53:14] if you were just going to,

[53:15] you know,

[53:16] cash in on making a horror movie,

[53:17] but it doesn't make it there.

[53:19] So I guess I'll go

[53:20] with Snorafying.

Stuart Wellington

[53:22] Yeah,

[53:22] I think I'm going to

[53:23] back you up on that one,

[53:24] Dan.

[53:24] I think it was pretty

[53:24] Snorafying.

[53:25] It,

[53:25] like,

[53:26] it's stylish.

[53:27] It,

[53:27] it,

[53:27] I,

[53:28] I get the feeling

[53:28] like it was a,

[53:30] a project that they're like,

[53:32] hey,

[53:32] we have the rights to this.

[53:33] Let's remake it.

[53:34] It's a horror movie.

[53:34] It's pretty easy.

[53:36] And the,

[53:37] uh,

[53:37] the director

[53:38] tried to,

[53:39] had a specific vision

[53:41] or the screenwriter

[53:42] had a specific vision

[53:43] and they,

[53:44] I think they gave it

[53:45] their go,

[53:46] but I don't,

[53:47] I don't think it really

[53:48] worked out.

[53:48] Like,

[53:49] it's,

[53:49] it's stylish.

[53:51] It,

[53:51] I think they,

[53:52] tried to go,

[53:53] at least at one point

[53:53] were trying to go for

[53:54] the,

[53:55] the psychological,

[53:56] like,

[53:56] woman is losing her mind,

[53:58] uh,

[53:59] take on the story,

[54:00] but it,

[54:01] I think it ended up

[54:02] being kind of a mess.

Dan McCoy

[54:02] I just want to say,

[54:03] uh,

[54:03] off of that,

[54:04] uh,

[54:04] I did do some

[54:05] background reading.

[54:06] Uh,

[54:07] the reason this

[54:07] originally got put

[54:08] into,

[54:09] you know,

[54:10] development was

[54:11] Steven Spielberg

[54:11] wanted to do

Stuart Wellington

[54:13] a new

[54:14] turn of the screw

[54:15] adaptation.

Dan McCoy

[54:16] And I don't know

[54:16] whether he ended up

[54:17] being involved with

[54:18] the version that

[54:18] finally got made.

[54:19] I,

[54:20] but like,

[54:21] it has a,

[54:22] a pedigree.

[54:23] Like,

[54:23] there were like,

[54:24] you know,

[54:25] that's where it came from.

[54:26] Anyway,

[54:26] Elliot.

Elliott Kalan

[54:27] No,

[54:28] I agree.

[54:28] Uh,

[54:29] I agree with both of you guys.

[54:30] I think when,

[54:31] as the first half of the movie,

[54:32] I was like,

[54:32] okay,

[54:33] this is fine.

[54:34] Like,

[54:34] this is a fine,

[54:35] straightforward kind of,

[54:36] but if,

[54:37] if I had never seen a horror movie

[54:38] before,

[54:38] if I was like a,

[54:39] if it was a sleepover,

[54:40] if I was a teenager to sleepover,

[54:42] then I could be like,

[54:43] oh,

[54:43] this is fun.

[54:43] But then it kind of,

[54:44] it went off the rails

[54:45] and in terms of confusion

[54:47] and it just becomes

[54:49] very one note.

[54:50] So yeah,

[54:50] I would have to call it

[54:51] snorifying,

[54:52] but it's fine sleepover fodder

[54:54] for 15 year olds,

[54:57] 14 year olds,

[54:59] seven year olds,

[55:00] probably not seven year olds,

[55:01] but,

[55:01] uh,

[55:02] something like that.

[55:03] Hallie,

[55:03] what do you think?

Hallie Haglund

[55:04] Wow.

[55:04] I hated this movie

[55:06] way more than you guys did.

Elliott Kalan

[55:07] Wow.

Hallie Haglund

[55:08] This movie was offensive to me.

[55:10] I feel like the fact

[55:12] that it did look good

[55:13] and the fact that it had

[55:14] big people in it

[55:15] made it all the more offensive

[55:18] because it was like

[55:19] when you watch something

[55:21] that's really popular

[55:22] with a bunch of people

[55:22] and you're like,

[55:23] I don't get it.

[55:24] Why does everybody else like this?

[55:25] It's like this,

[55:26] this,

[55:27] you know,

[55:27] the patina of

[55:29] should be good

[55:30] that completely obscures

[55:31] that like nobody put any thought

[55:33] or any effort

[55:34] into making this,

[55:36] like,

[55:36] like all of the flaws of it

[55:37] are,

[55:38] are things that could have

[55:38] totally been avoided

[55:40] if,

[55:40] if any effort were put in.

[55:42] It,

[55:42] it,

[55:42] I don't even understand,

[55:43] you know,

[55:44] it's like,

[55:44] there's no plot.

[55:47] It doesn't matter

[55:48] where you dip in

[55:49] or where you end the film

[55:52] or where you start the film

[55:53] because it's all just like

[55:54] this like shitty mood piece

[55:57] sort of that,

[55:58] like the,

[55:59] the chain of events

[56:00] has no coherence.

[56:02] and like,

[56:04] it,

[56:04] it makes me mad

[56:05] that,

[56:06] that whoever made it

[56:07] was like,

[56:07] well,

[56:07] we can get away with it

[56:08] as long as we like

[56:09] put some big stars in it

[56:10] and like the wardrobe is good

[56:12] and,

Dan McCoy

[56:13] you know,

Hallie Haglund

[56:13] we have some cool music.

[56:15] So I,

[56:16] I was deeply offended.

[56:17] It was more than

[56:18] starifying.

Dan McCoy

[56:19] Wow.

[56:20] And this is,

[56:21] you know,

[56:21] I think Hallie represents

[56:23] more probably

[56:24] the general audience

[56:26] member out there

[56:26] who has not been

[56:27] numbed

[56:27] by,

[56:28] by so many bad movies

[56:30] like the three of us have.

Hallie Haglund

[56:31] But at least like,

[56:33] you know what it left me thinking?

[56:34] Because I also watched

[56:35] that awkward moment

[56:36] with you guys.

[56:37] Do you remember?

Dan McCoy

[56:38] Oh yeah,

[56:38] you loved that movie.

Hallie Haglund

[56:39] You thought it was amazing.

[56:40] It made me think

[56:41] it was even better

[56:42] because I was like,

[56:43] there's a movie

[56:43] that McKenzie Davis

[56:44] should be doing

[56:45] which she was in.

[56:46] I was like,

[56:47] now that's quality

[56:48] because at least,

[56:49] at least some stuff

[56:50] that we watched

[56:50] that's really bad.

[56:51] Even movies that I've said

[56:53] I didn't like on this

[56:54] are at least weird

[56:55] and bad.

[56:56] Like this isn't even weird.

[56:58] This is just stupid.

Dan McCoy

[57:02] Sorry.

[57:04] Oh,

[57:04] we almost broke a Hallie.

[57:06] You know,

[57:06] if ever the movie

Elliott Kalan

[57:08] that I did

[57:08] is not the movie

[57:09] I expected you

[57:09] to get so mad at.

[57:11] But,

[57:11] you know.

Hallie Haglund

[57:13] And it made me think

[57:14] that that movie,

[57:15] the Louise,

[57:16] the Steve Mnuchin's

[57:21] wife movie

[57:21] that they watched

[57:22] last time

[57:23] was like,

[57:23] way better

[57:25] than I gave it credit for.

Elliott Kalan

[57:28] Okay,

[57:29] add it to the box.

[57:30] Way better

[57:31] than I gave it credit

[57:32] for Rage's

[57:33] Hallie Hagelin.

[57:35] And then on that

[57:36] awkward moment

[57:37] it says,

[57:37] Mackenzie Davis

[57:37] should be doing this.

[57:39] Hallie Hagelin.

Hallie Haglund

[57:42] Upon seeing worse movies

[57:44] I realized

[57:45] it wasn't so bad.

[57:51] Hey,

S5

[57:58] excuse me everybody.

[57:59] I just wanted

[58:01] to say

[58:01] a few words

[58:02] about the

[58:03] beautiful couple.

[58:05] I've known you two

[58:06] for a long time.

[58:08] And

[58:08] you get along

[58:10] like peanut butter

[58:11] and chocolate.

[58:12] Or,

[58:13] you know,

[58:14] like comedy

[58:15] and culture.

[58:16] Like Maximum Fun

[58:17] podcasts.

[58:19] Actually,

[58:19] they're having

[58:20] a block party

[58:21] from October 11th

[58:23] to October 22nd.

[58:25] And that's kind of like

[58:25] your party,

[58:26] right?

[58:27] You have a community

[58:28] of friends and family

[58:29] and Max Fun

[58:31] has a community

[58:32] of shows

[58:32] and audiences

[58:33] that support them.

[58:35] You're having a new start

[58:36] with your life together

[58:37] and Max Fun

[58:38] will be putting out

[58:40] new episodes

[58:40] that are especially

[58:41] welcoming to new audiences.

[58:43] So it's a great time

[58:44] to introduce your friends

[58:46] to your favorite show

[58:47] or jump into one

[58:48] you haven't tried before.

[58:49] Is he still talking

[58:49] about podcasts?

[58:50] And they're setting up

[58:51] a volunteer event

[58:52] where we can help out

[58:53] our local communities.

[58:54] Plus,

[58:54] Maximum Fun

[58:55] is going to have

[58:56] games,

[58:56] prizes,

[58:57] episode wrecks,

[58:58] so much other fun stuff.

[59:00] What's wrong with Kyle?

[59:01] Is he okay?

[59:02] Oh!

[59:03] Anyways,

[59:04] anyways.

[59:05] Sorry for getting

[59:06] carried away there.

[59:08] If it's alright

[59:09] with everybody here,

[59:11] let's all raise

[59:12] our glasses

[59:13] for a toast

[59:14] to the Max Fun

[59:16] block party,

[59:17] which you can learn

[59:18] more about

[59:19] at maximumfun.org

[59:20] slash block party

[59:21] and don't forget

[59:22] to join in

[59:23] on October 11th.

Dan McCoy

[59:25] Actually,

[59:26] that sounds pretty cool.

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[1:02:17] Dan?

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Elliott Kalan

[1:02:42] Yeah.

[1:02:42] And I also

[1:02:43] have a

[1:02:43] jumbotron to

[1:02:44] read.

[1:02:44] That's right,

[1:02:45] jumbotron.

[1:02:46] It's the

[1:02:46] biggest tron

[1:02:46] there is.

[1:02:47] Jumbo,

[1:02:48] jumbo,

[1:02:49] jumbo,

[1:02:50] jumbo.

[1:02:50] Oh,

[1:02:51] where'd

[1:02:51] they go?

[1:02:51] Jumbo,

[1:02:52] jumbo,

[1:02:53] jumbo,

[1:02:53] Joppler

[1:02:54] effect.

[1:02:55] I was

[1:02:56] falling down

[1:02:56] a cliff,

[1:02:56] sorry.

[1:02:57] I was

[1:02:57] on a

[1:02:58] merry-go-round.

[1:02:58] I'm back

[1:02:59] around now

[1:02:59] though.

[1:03:00] This is a

[1:03:01] message from

[1:03:01] Angela and

[1:03:02] it says,

[1:03:03] to my

[1:03:03] husband,

[1:03:04] Genji,

[1:03:05] happy

[1:03:05] second

[1:03:05] wedding

[1:03:06] anniversary.

[1:03:07] Sad we

[1:03:07] can't be

[1:03:07] together on

[1:03:08] the actual

[1:03:08] day,

[1:03:09] but I'm

[1:03:09] pretty sure

[1:03:09] you'll

[1:03:09] save the

[1:03:10] Flophouse

[1:03:10] episodes for

[1:03:11] us to

[1:03:11] listen to

[1:03:12] together.

[1:03:13] Even

[1:03:13] though 75%

[1:03:14] of our

[1:03:14] marriage has

[1:03:14] been during

[1:03:15] a pandemic,

[1:03:15] it's been

[1:03:16] a beautiful

[1:03:16] journey.

[1:03:17] Here's to

[1:03:17] adventures with

[1:03:18] our

[1:03:18] newborn.

[1:03:19] Love,

[1:03:20] Angela.

Dan McCoy

[1:03:23] That's

[1:03:24] really nice.

[1:03:25] Thank you

[1:03:26] for getting

[1:03:28] a Jumbotron.

[1:03:29] If you

[1:03:29] want to get

[1:03:30] up on the

[1:03:30] Jumbotron,

[1:03:31] you can go

[1:03:32] to

[1:03:32] maximumfun.org

[1:03:34] slash

[1:03:35] Jumbotron.

[1:03:36] There are

[1:03:37] different rates

[1:03:37] whether you

[1:03:38] have a

[1:03:38] personal or

[1:03:38] a business

[1:03:39] message,

[1:03:39] but that's

[1:03:40] how you

[1:03:41] do it.

[1:03:43] Now we

[1:03:43] should just

[1:03:44] get back

[1:03:45] to the

[1:03:45] show.

[1:03:45] Unless you

[1:03:45] have Elliot,

[1:03:46] it looks

[1:03:46] like you

[1:03:46] have something

[1:03:47] to plug.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:47] I'd love

[1:03:47] to plug

[1:03:48] one thing

[1:03:49] long-time

[1:03:49] listeners

[1:03:50] will know,

[1:03:50] or just

[1:03:50] fans of

[1:03:51] me,

[1:03:51] will know

[1:03:51] that I

[1:03:52] recently

[1:03:52] had a

[1:03:52] series

[1:03:53] from

[1:03:53] Aftershock

[1:03:53] comics

[1:03:53] called

[1:03:54] Maniac

[1:03:54] of

[1:03:54] New

[1:03:54] York.

[1:03:55] It's

[1:03:55] a

[1:03:55] horror

[1:03:56] slasher

[1:03:56] comic

[1:03:57] with a

[1:03:57] little

[1:03:57] bit of

[1:03:58] a

[1:03:58] satirical

[1:03:58] edge.

[1:03:59] That's

[1:03:59] right.

[1:04:01] It's

[1:04:01] a little

[1:04:01] bit of

[1:04:02] a

[1:04:02] Jason

[1:04:03] takes

[1:04:03] Manhattan,

[1:04:03] but better.

[1:04:04] Anyway,

[1:04:05] the trade

[1:04:05] paperback

[1:04:06] collection

[1:04:06] of the

[1:04:07] first

[1:04:07] five-issue

[1:04:07] series

[1:04:08] will be

[1:04:08] coming

[1:04:08] out

[1:04:08] mid-October,

[1:04:09] I think

[1:04:10] October

[1:04:10] 13th.

[1:04:11] I'm

[1:04:11] not sure

[1:04:11] about

[1:04:12] that.

[1:04:12] Ask

[1:04:12] at your

[1:04:12] local

[1:04:12] comic

[1:04:13] book

[1:04:13] store.

[1:04:13] And

[1:04:14] there's

[1:04:14] a

[1:04:14] second

[1:04:14] series

[1:04:15] coming

[1:04:15] out

[1:04:15] soon,

[1:04:15] issue

[1:04:16] number

[1:04:16] one

[1:04:16] of

[1:04:17] volume

[1:04:17] two,

[1:04:17] it's

[1:04:17] called

[1:04:18] Maniac

[1:04:18] of

[1:04:18] New

[1:04:18] York,

[1:04:19] the

[1:04:19] Bronx is

[1:04:19] burning,

[1:04:20] is now

[1:04:20] available

[1:04:20] for

[1:04:20] pre-order.

[1:04:21] So go

[1:04:21] to your

[1:04:22] local

[1:04:22] comic book

[1:04:22] store and

[1:04:23] tell them,

[1:04:23] I want

[1:04:23] Maniac

[1:04:24] of New

[1:04:24] York,

[1:04:25] the

[1:04:25] Death

[1:04:25] Train,

[1:04:25] which is

[1:04:26] the trade

[1:04:26] paperback

[1:04:26] of the

[1:04:27] series

[1:04:28] that came

[1:04:28] out already,

[1:04:28] and I

[1:04:29] want

[1:04:29] issue

[1:04:29] number

[1:04:29] one

[1:04:30] of

[1:04:30] Maniac

[1:04:30] of

[1:04:30] New

[1:04:30] York,

[1:04:31] the

[1:04:31] Bronx

[1:04:31] is

[1:04:31] burning.

[1:04:32] That's

[1:04:33] way to

[1:04:33] plug.

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:34] And on

[1:04:34] the subject

[1:04:34] of comic

[1:04:36] books,

[1:04:37] right up

[1:04:38] now,

[1:04:38] depending on

[1:04:39] when you're

[1:04:39] listening to

[1:04:39] this,

[1:04:40] but at

[1:04:41] least for

[1:04:41] the time

[1:04:41] being,

[1:04:42] there is

[1:04:43] a

[1:04:43] Kickstarter

[1:04:43] going on

[1:04:44] for the

[1:04:45] Psycho

[1:04:45] Goreman

[1:04:46] comic book

[1:04:47] magazine,

[1:04:48] which I

[1:04:48] have

[1:04:49] contributed

[1:04:49] a short

[1:04:51] story to.

[1:04:52] Which

[1:04:52] character

[1:04:53] did I

[1:04:53] write about?

[1:04:53] Of course,

[1:04:54] the character

[1:04:54] I did

[1:04:55] the voice

[1:04:55] of,

[1:04:55] the iconic

[1:04:56] hero of

[1:04:57] the movie,

[1:04:58] Tube

[1:04:58] So,

[1:04:59] yeah,

[1:05:00] if you

[1:05:00] want some

[1:05:01] space

[1:05:02] terror

[1:05:03] with a

[1:05:05] host of

[1:05:05] amazing

[1:05:05] creators

[1:05:06] and me,

[1:05:07] you can

[1:05:07] go check

[1:05:08] that out

[1:05:08] at

[1:05:08] Kickstarter.

[1:05:09] Just look

[1:05:09] up

[1:05:10] Psycho

[1:05:10] Goreman.

[1:05:11] I contributed

[1:05:11] to that

[1:05:12] Kickstarter

[1:05:12] because I

[1:05:13] wanted to

[1:05:13] see that

Dan McCoy

[1:05:14] story from

[1:05:15] Stu.

[1:05:15] Yay,

[1:05:16] bring my

[1:05:16] dream to

[1:05:17] life.

[1:05:22] Let us

[1:05:23] move on

[1:05:23] to letters

[1:05:24] from listeners.

[1:05:26] Listeners like

[1:05:26] you,

[1:05:27] the listener.

[1:05:28] circular,

[1:05:30] like the

[1:05:30] Ouroboros

[1:05:31] on her

[1:05:32] neck.

[1:05:33] This is

[1:05:34] from

[1:05:34] Eric,

[1:05:34] last name

[1:05:35] withheld.

[1:05:36] And Eric

[1:05:37] writes,

[1:05:38] just after I

[1:05:39] listened to

[1:05:39] your Boss

[1:05:39] Baby episode

[1:05:40] on which

[1:05:41] you asked

[1:05:41] what an

[1:05:42] orchestra

[1:05:42] contractor

[1:05:43] is,

[1:05:44] I happened

[1:05:44] to read

[1:05:45] this piece

[1:05:45] and there's

[1:05:46] a link

[1:05:46] in Polygon

[1:05:47] about the

[1:05:48] Fellowship

[1:05:48] of the Ring

[1:05:49] score.

[1:05:50] To quote

[1:05:50] it,

[1:05:51] orchestra

[1:05:51] contractor

[1:05:52] Isabel

[1:05:53] Griffiths

[1:05:54] was responsible

[1:05:55] for finding

[1:05:55] musicians for

[1:05:56] the unusual

[1:05:57] instruments

[1:05:57] composer

[1:05:58] Howard

[1:05:58] Shore

[1:05:59] hoped to

[1:05:59] use.

[1:06:00] So they're

[1:06:01] basically

[1:06:01] casting

[1:06:02] directors

[1:06:02] for the

[1:06:03] musicians

[1:06:03] recording

[1:06:05] the score.

[1:06:06] So that

[1:06:07] mystery

[1:06:07] is solved.

[1:06:08] But Eric

[1:06:09] also has a

[1:06:09] question.

[1:06:10] I would

[1:06:11] like to

[1:06:11] increase my

[1:06:12] awareness of

[1:06:12] world horror

[1:06:14] cinema.

[1:06:15] Are there

[1:06:15] any particular

[1:06:16] films or

[1:06:17] directors off

[1:06:18] the beaten

[1:06:18] path that you

[1:06:19] would recommend?

[1:06:20] Did the

[1:06:20] Czech

[1:06:21] New Wave

[1:06:21] ever venture

[1:06:22] into genre

[1:06:23] territory?

[1:06:25] I would

[1:06:27] like to

[1:06:28] one that

[1:06:29] came to

[1:06:29] mind

[1:06:30] was

[1:06:31] is it

[1:06:32] pronounced

[1:06:33] Vi?

[1:06:33] I don't

[1:06:34] know.

[1:06:34] It's spelled

[1:06:34] Vi.

[1:06:36] Do you know

[1:06:37] what I'm

[1:06:37] talking about?

[1:06:37] V?

[1:06:38] The

[1:06:39] V-I-Y.

[1:06:41] It's a

[1:06:42] Russian horror

[1:06:43] movie.

[1:06:43] Is it the

Dan McCoy

[1:06:43] Aliens with

[1:06:44] Mark Singer?

[1:06:45] No.

[1:06:46] It's a

[1:06:47] Russian horror

[1:06:47] movie.

[1:06:48] It's from

[1:06:48] 1967.

[1:06:52] 1967.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:53] Not 67

[1:06:54] AD.

[1:06:54] Yeah.

[1:06:54] I think it

[1:06:55] was the

[1:06:55] first.

[1:06:55] They were

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:55] making movies

[1:06:56] then.

[1:06:56] They didn't

[1:06:57] even have a

[1:06:57] Russia then.

Dan McCoy

[1:06:58] It was the

[1:06:58] first horror

[1:06:59] movie to be

[1:06:59] made in

[1:07:00] Russia.

[1:07:00] It's sort

[1:07:01] of derived

[1:07:02] from Russian

[1:07:04] folktales.

[1:07:05] And it's

[1:07:06] a, you

[1:07:06] know, someone

[1:07:06] has to

[1:07:08] stay it.

[1:07:08] The rest

[1:07:09] was just

Hallie Haglund

[1:07:09] life in

[1:07:10] Russia.

[1:07:11] Am I

[1:07:11] right?

Dan McCoy

[1:07:11] No.

[1:07:13] A priest

[1:07:14] has to

[1:07:15] horror movies

[1:07:17] you.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:17] In America

[1:07:18] movies scare

[1:07:19] you.

[1:07:19] In Russia

[1:07:19] we scare

[1:07:20] movies.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:22] There's a

[1:07:23] witch that

[1:07:24] has died

[1:07:25] and a

[1:07:25] priest has

[1:07:26] to watch

[1:07:27] over her

[1:07:29] three nights

[1:07:29] in a row

[1:07:30] in the tomb

[1:07:32] and things

[1:07:33] get nuttier

[1:07:34] and nuttier

[1:07:35] over those

[1:07:35] nights.

[1:07:36] It's a

[1:07:36] very, like,

[1:07:37] for 1967

[1:07:38] it has

[1:07:40] very impressive

[1:07:40] effects, I

[1:07:42] think, and

[1:07:42] it has sort

[1:07:43] of some of

[1:07:43] the same

[1:07:43] spirit that

[1:07:44] you see

[1:07:44] in something

[1:07:44] like Evil

[1:07:46] Dead 2

[1:07:46] or Hausu

[1:07:47] where it's

[1:07:47] just like,

[1:07:48] let's throw

[1:07:49] a lot of

[1:07:50] stuff at

[1:07:51] the screen.

[1:07:51] It takes

[1:07:52] a little

[1:07:52] more to

[1:07:53] warm up

[1:07:53] than those

[1:07:54] movies which

[1:07:54] are gonzo

[1:07:56] all the way

[1:07:56] through.

[1:07:56] But it's

[1:07:57] a very fun

[1:07:58] movie if you

[1:07:59] want to look

[1:08:00] for a classic

[1:08:01] foreign horror

[1:08:01] movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:02] And it is

[1:08:03] on Tubi.

[1:08:04] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:08:06] What are you

[1:08:07] grinning about,

[1:08:08] Hallie?

[1:08:08] You're laughing

[1:08:08] at me.

Hallie Haglund

[1:08:09] I'm just

[1:08:09] imagining gonzo

[1:08:11] in a horror

[1:08:11] movie.

[1:08:13] That would

Dan McCoy

[1:08:14] be great.

[1:08:17] Throwing

[1:08:17] chickens at

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:18] you.

[1:08:19] Do you

[1:08:19] think it's

[1:08:19] one of

[1:08:19] those movies

[1:08:20] where it's

[1:08:20] him and

[1:08:20] Camilla and

[1:08:21] they checked

[1:08:21] into a

[1:08:21] haunted hotel?

Stuart Wellington

[1:08:23] I feel like

[1:08:26] there's a lot

[1:08:27] of countries

[1:08:28] that have

[1:08:28] long horror

[1:08:29] traditions,

[1:08:30] whether it's

[1:08:30] Japan,

[1:08:32] South Korea

[1:08:34] has a long

[1:08:35] tradition of

[1:08:36] great slashers

[1:08:38] and thrillers,

[1:08:40] super violent

[1:08:40] stuff.

[1:08:41] Obviously,

[1:08:42] there's a lot

[1:08:43] of Italian

[1:08:44] filmmakers,

[1:08:45] whether it's

[1:08:46] your zombie

[1:08:47] movies or

[1:08:48] your giallos

[1:08:49] or whatever.

[1:08:50] Then there's

[1:08:51] of course

[1:08:51] the whole

[1:08:52] French wave

[1:08:53] of torture.

[1:08:57] New extreme

[1:08:57] French horror.

[1:08:58] Yeah,

[1:08:58] the extreme

[1:08:59] French horror

[1:09:00] stuff,

[1:09:00] if you like,

[1:09:01] the really

[1:09:01] gross stuff.

[1:09:03] I think

[1:09:04] there's a ton

[1:09:04] of great

[1:09:05] stuff out

[1:09:05] there.

[1:09:07] Also,

[1:09:07] I feel

[1:09:08] like

[1:09:09] shutters are

[1:09:09] a really

[1:09:09] good resource

[1:09:10] actually because

[1:09:11] they have

[1:09:12] such a

[1:09:12] well-curated

[1:09:13] collection of

[1:09:14] stuff from

[1:09:15] all over

[1:09:16] the place,

[1:09:17] especially

[1:09:17] a lot of

[1:09:20] foreign language

[1:09:20] stuff that you

[1:09:21] might not

[1:09:21] normally see.

[1:09:22] Elliot,

[1:09:22] do you have

[1:09:24] any Czech

[1:09:24] New Wave

[1:09:25] horror?

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:26] Specifically

[1:09:26] addressing

[1:09:27] Czech New

[1:09:27] Wave,

[1:09:28] the two

[1:09:28] things,

[1:09:29] I mean,

[1:09:29] I don't

[1:09:29] know all

[1:09:30] the Czech

[1:09:30] New

[1:09:30] Wave

[1:09:30] movies,

[1:09:31] but the

[1:09:31] ones that

[1:09:31] most clearly

[1:09:33] to me are

[1:09:33] like horror

[1:09:34] movies is,

[1:09:34] one is a

[1:09:35] movie I

[1:09:35] recommended

[1:09:35] on the

[1:09:36] podcast a

[1:09:36] while back

[1:09:36] called

[1:09:37] The

[1:09:37] Cremator,

[1:09:38] which is

[1:09:38] not a

[1:09:39] supernatural

[1:09:39] horror movie,

[1:09:40] but is a

[1:09:40] person being

[1:09:41] driven into

[1:09:42] murderous

[1:09:43] madness type

[1:09:44] of horror

[1:09:44] movie,

[1:09:45] this very

[1:09:45] ominous

[1:09:45] atmosphere

[1:09:46] to it,

[1:09:47] also Valerie

[1:09:48] and her

[1:09:49] Week of

[1:09:49] Wonders,

[1:09:50] or sometimes

[1:09:51] called Valerie's

[1:09:52] Week of

[1:09:52] Wonders,

[1:09:52] or sometimes

[1:09:52] just Valerie

[1:09:53] and the

[1:09:53] Week of

[1:09:53] Wonders,

[1:09:54] and that

[1:09:55] is more

[1:09:55] of a

[1:09:56] dreamlike

[1:09:57] kind of

[1:09:58] horror movie

[1:09:58] where there's

[1:09:58] like a

[1:09:59] vampire rat

[1:09:59] man and

[1:10:00] this girl

[1:10:00] who is

[1:10:01] approaching

[1:10:02] maturity and

[1:10:04] dealing with

[1:10:05] all sorts of

[1:10:05] dreamlike

[1:10:06] things.

[1:10:06] That's more

[1:10:06] of a,

[1:10:07] it's not

[1:10:07] one of my

[1:10:07] favorites,

[1:10:08] but it's

[1:10:08] a,

[1:10:08] that's more,

[1:10:09] it's a

[1:10:09] little,

[1:10:10] both more

[1:10:10] straightforward

[1:10:11] horror and

[1:10:11] also

[1:10:12] stranger,

[1:10:14] also,

[1:10:14] if you just

[1:10:15] want short

[1:10:15] stuff,

[1:10:16] there's the

[1:10:16] animator Jan

[1:10:17] Svankmeyer,

[1:10:18] whose stuff is

[1:10:19] not specifically

[1:10:19] horror,

[1:10:20] but it is very

[1:10:20] scary,

[1:10:21] and he came

[1:10:22] out of that

[1:10:23] same world

[1:10:24] of Czech

[1:10:25] filmmaking at the

[1:10:26] time,

[1:10:26] and he's been

[1:10:27] working,

[1:10:28] you know,

[1:10:29] for decades

[1:10:29] and decades

[1:10:29] and decades,

[1:10:30] and has a lot

[1:10:31] of scary

[1:10:32] shorts and

[1:10:33] features to

[1:10:34] his name.

[1:10:34] So those are

[1:10:35] the ones from

[1:10:35] the Czech

[1:10:35] New Wave I'd

[1:10:36] recommend.

[1:10:36] The Cremator

[1:10:37] is the one of

[1:10:37] those that I

[1:10:38] like the most,

[1:10:39] I think,

[1:10:39] although I like

[1:10:40] Svankmeyer's

[1:10:41] stuff a lot.

[1:10:42] He has a lot

[1:10:42] of good stuff

[1:10:42] too.

Dan McCoy

[1:10:44] Do you have

[1:10:45] anything,

[1:10:45] Hallie?

[1:10:45] If not,

[1:10:46] we can...

[1:10:46] No.

[1:10:47] It was almost

[1:10:48] as wistful as

[1:10:49] when you said

[1:10:49] you hadn't

[1:10:50] seen a ghost.

[1:10:52] Well,

[1:10:52] okay,

[1:10:52] there's one

[1:10:53] more letter

[1:10:53] from Gwen,

[1:10:54] last name

[1:10:54] withheld,

[1:10:55] who writes,

[1:10:57] I write to

[1:10:58] you today

[1:10:58] about how

[1:10:59] Elliot's

[1:10:59] Star Wars

[1:11:00] trivia saved

[1:11:01] me money.

[1:11:02] Yes,

[1:11:02] real money.

[1:11:04] My girlfriend

[1:11:04] and I

[1:11:05] stopped by...

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:05] It sounds

[1:11:06] like something

[1:11:07] I'm supposed

[1:11:07] to invest

[1:11:08] in now.

[1:11:09] It saved

[1:11:09] me real

[1:11:10] money,

[1:11:10] and we'll

[1:11:10] tell you how.

Dan McCoy

[1:11:12] My girlfriend

[1:11:12] and I

[1:11:13] stopped by

[1:11:13] a merchant

[1:11:14] booth at

[1:11:14] a local

[1:11:15] convention,

[1:11:15] and the

[1:11:16] dealer had

[1:11:16] a game

[1:11:17] of geeky

[1:11:18] trivia set

[1:11:18] up with

[1:11:19] the prize

[1:11:19] for a

[1:11:19] correct answer

[1:11:20] being a

[1:11:20] 5%

[1:11:21] discount.

[1:11:22] Though not

[1:11:23] a Star Wars

[1:11:23] trivia expert

[1:11:24] myself,

[1:11:25] I picked

[1:11:25] that category

[1:11:26] specifically

[1:11:27] because the

[1:11:27] vendor warned

[1:11:28] me it was

[1:11:28] the hardest

[1:11:29] one they

[1:11:29] had.

[1:11:30] My question

[1:11:31] was,

[1:11:32] who was

[1:11:33] the male

[1:11:34] aqualish

[1:11:35] thug that

[1:11:36] partnered with

[1:11:37] Dr.

[1:11:38] Evazon,

[1:11:39] became a

[1:11:40] successful

[1:11:41] smuggler,

[1:11:42] and bullied

[1:11:42] Luke Skywalker

[1:11:43] in a bar

[1:11:44] on Tatooine?

Stuart Wellington

[1:11:45] You know it,

[1:11:46] Ponda

[1:11:46] Beba,

[1:11:46] baby.

Dan McCoy

[1:11:47] Out of the

[1:11:47] four possible

[1:11:48] answers,

[1:11:49] I chose

[1:11:49] Ponda

[1:11:50] Beba because

[1:11:50] it was the

[1:11:50] only one I

[1:11:51] could remember

[1:11:51] hearing Elliot

[1:11:52] talk about

[1:11:53] on the show,

[1:11:54] and because

[1:11:55] of that

[1:11:55] angelic voice

[1:11:56] singing with

[1:11:57] nasal sweetness

[1:11:58] in the back

[1:11:58] of my mind,

[1:11:59] I won.

[1:12:00] So don't

[1:12:00] give our

[1:12:01] favorite

[1:12:01] Be careful

[1:12:01] with who

[1:12:02] you pick

[1:12:03] to be

[1:12:03] friends,

[1:12:03] is the

[1:12:04] story

[1:12:04] of Ponda

[1:12:04] Baba.

[1:12:05] Don't

[1:12:05] give our

[1:12:07] favorite

[1:12:08] walking

[1:12:08] wiki article

[1:12:09] too much

[1:12:09] guff.

[1:12:10] His antics

[1:12:11] might someday

[1:12:11] save you

[1:12:12] some cash.

[1:12:14] Sincerely,

[1:12:14] Gwen,

[1:12:15] last name

[1:12:16] withheld.

[1:12:16] You know

[1:12:16] what?

[1:12:18] Elliot,

[1:12:18] I don't

[1:12:20] know that

[1:12:20] Elliot saved

[1:12:21] me cash,

[1:12:22] but his

[1:12:22] antics

[1:12:22] certainly

[1:12:23] have

[1:12:23] helped

[1:12:24] make me

[1:12:24] money.

[1:12:26] By getting

[1:12:27] you jobs,

[1:12:28] yeah,

[1:12:28] certainly.

[1:12:30] So if you

[1:12:31] see Elliot,

[1:12:31] I don't

[1:12:32] know,

[1:12:32] rub his

[1:12:33] head for

[1:12:33] luck,

[1:12:34] I don't

[1:12:34] know what

[1:12:34] I'm

[1:12:34] saying.

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:35] No,

[1:12:35] my hair

[1:12:36] is already

[1:12:36] falling out,

[1:12:37] don't do

[1:12:37] that.

[1:12:38] But here's

[1:12:39] the thing

[1:12:39] about

[1:12:39] Ponda

[1:12:40] Baba.

[1:12:40] The guy

[1:12:41] is already

[1:12:41] dealing with

[1:12:42] the hard

[1:12:43] fact that

[1:12:43] his face

[1:12:44] looks like

[1:12:44] a butt

[1:12:44] and he

[1:12:45] can't

[1:12:45] speak

[1:12:45] basic

[1:12:46] English.

[1:12:47] He has

[1:12:48] to be

[1:12:48] interpreted

[1:12:49] through his

[1:12:49] friend,

[1:12:49] Dr.

[1:12:49] Evazon,

[1:12:50] who is

[1:12:50] not a

[1:12:51] reliable

[1:12:51] narrator.

[1:12:52] So you

[1:12:53] just got

[1:12:53] to feel

[1:12:53] bad for

[1:12:53] the guy.

[1:12:54] Now he's

[1:12:54] got one

[1:12:54] less hand.

[1:12:56] Poor guy,

[1:12:56] poor walrus

[1:12:57] face,

[1:12:57] you know?

[1:12:58] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:12:59] That's what I

[1:13:00] say,

[1:13:00] too.

[1:13:00] Cool.

[1:13:01] Poor walrus

[1:13:01] face?

[1:13:02] Yeah.

[1:13:02] Okay,

[1:13:03] yeah.

[1:13:03] That's my

[1:13:03] other catchphrase.

[1:13:04] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:05] the song from

[1:13:05] Oklahoma,

[1:13:07] poor walrus

[1:13:07] face is

[1:13:08] dead.

[1:13:09] Just

Dan McCoy

[1:13:09] playing catchphrases.

[1:13:11] Okay,

[1:13:12] well,

[1:13:12] let's

[1:13:13] cap this

[1:13:14] episode off

[1:13:15] with

[1:13:15] recommendations

[1:13:16] of movies

[1:13:17] that you

[1:13:18] could watch

[1:13:19] that are

[1:13:19] better than

[1:13:20] The Turning,

[1:13:21] let's say.

[1:13:22] Is that

[1:13:23] possible?

[1:13:24] Just last

[1:13:25] night,

[1:13:25] I watched

[1:13:25] the original

[1:13:27] The Fly

[1:13:28] from 1958

[1:13:29] starring

[1:13:31] Vincent Price

[1:13:32] and two

[1:13:33] more generic

[1:13:34] people in the

[1:13:35] actual leads

[1:13:36] of the movie.

[1:13:37] And,

[1:13:37] you know,

[1:13:39] it's a very

[1:13:39] silly movie

[1:13:40] in a lot of

[1:13:41] ways.

[1:13:41] Like,

[1:13:41] it seems like

[1:13:42] the first

[1:13:42] half an hour

[1:13:44] is just

[1:13:44] the scientist

[1:13:46] transporting

[1:13:47] various things

[1:13:48] from one side

[1:13:48] of the room

[1:13:49] to the other.

[1:13:49] You have to

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:49] remember,

[1:13:50] Dan,

[1:13:50] back then

[1:13:50] transportation

[1:13:51] technology

[1:13:52] was new.

[1:13:52] Now we have

[1:13:53] transporters

[1:13:54] and it's like

[1:13:54] whatever,

[1:13:55] you know,

[1:13:55] let's use it

[1:13:55] to assassinate

[1:13:56] Jesus or

[1:13:56] something.

[1:13:57] But back

[1:13:57] then it was

[1:13:58] a totally

[1:13:58] new

[1:13:58] technology.

Dan McCoy

[1:13:59] Yeah,

[1:14:00] well,

[1:14:00] there are a lot

[1:14:01] of filigrees

[1:14:01] in the story

[1:14:02] that aren't

[1:14:02] necessarily

[1:14:03] necessarily,

[1:14:03] it all has

[1:14:05] this framing

[1:14:06] device of

[1:14:07] this woman

[1:14:08] kill her

[1:14:08] husband

[1:14:09] and it

[1:14:09] turns out,

[1:14:10] spoiler alert,

[1:14:11] it's because

[1:14:11] he's the fly,

[1:14:12] the titular fly.

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:15] Is there a part

[1:14:15] where after

[1:14:16] getting mushed

[1:14:17] together with a

[1:14:17] fly,

[1:14:18] the dude

[1:14:18] gets a little

[1:14:19] bit sexier?

Dan McCoy

[1:14:21] I mean,

[1:14:22] it depends

[1:14:22] on what you

[1:14:22] like.

[1:14:23] Do you like

[1:14:23] a big hairy

[1:14:24] sort of like

[1:14:25] claw hand

[1:14:26] and big

[1:14:27] fly eyes?

[1:14:28] Okay,

[1:14:29] well then,

[1:14:29] yes,

[1:14:29] he got sexier.

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:32] Just like

[1:14:32] Jeff Goldblum.

[1:14:33] Yeah,

Dan McCoy

[1:14:34] but even

[1:14:35] with the

[1:14:36] silliness of

[1:14:36] it,

[1:14:37] it's a very

[1:14:38] like,

[1:14:38] I found it

[1:14:39] also very

[1:14:40] sad.

[1:14:41] Like,

[1:14:41] it's an

[1:14:41] inherently sad

[1:14:42] story of

[1:14:43] this person

[1:14:43] who's

[1:14:44] trying just

[1:14:46] to come up

[1:14:48] with a new

[1:14:48] invention,

[1:14:49] makes one

[1:14:49] mistake,

[1:14:51] sees how

[1:14:52] he's devolving,

[1:14:54] sees how

[1:14:54] he can no

[1:14:56] longer be the

[1:14:56] husband he

[1:14:57] wants to be,

[1:14:57] like,

[1:14:58] hope draining

[1:14:59] away.

[1:15:00] As goofy

[1:15:01] as it is,

[1:15:01] it also is

[1:15:03] strangely effective

[1:15:04] as a horror

[1:15:04] movie.

[1:15:05] And I

[1:15:06] had always

[1:15:06] remembered,

[1:15:07] I saw it

[1:15:07] once before,

[1:15:08] I had always

[1:15:08] remembered it

[1:15:09] as being a

[1:15:10] black and

[1:15:10] white movie,

[1:15:11] but I was

[1:15:11] wrong.

[1:15:12] It is in

[1:15:12] glorious

[1:15:13] technicolor.

[1:15:13] It's actually

[1:15:14] very pretty

[1:15:15] that way.

[1:15:17] So,

[1:15:17] if you've

[1:15:18] never seen it,

[1:15:19] or if you've

[1:15:20] only seen the

[1:15:20] remake,

[1:15:21] check out the

[1:15:21] original,

[1:15:22] the play.

[1:15:22] It's fun.

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:24] Anyone else?

[1:15:25] Yeah,

[1:15:25] and this

[1:15:26] isn't a

[1:15:26] horror movie.

[1:15:29] Next week,

[1:15:30] I'm going to

[1:15:31] visit my

[1:15:33] friend Elliot

[1:15:33] in Los

[1:15:35] Angeles,

[1:15:35] and so to

[1:15:36] prepare for

[1:15:36] that,

[1:15:37] I watched a

[1:15:39] movie from

[1:15:39] 1985 directed

[1:15:40] by William

[1:15:41] Friedkin called

[1:15:41] To Live

[1:15:42] and Die

[1:15:42] in LA.

[1:15:43] That's

[1:15:44] exactly what

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:44] my life is

[1:15:45] like out

[1:15:45] here,

[1:15:45] Stu,

[1:15:45] so I'm

[1:15:46] glad you

[1:15:46] watched

[1:15:46] that.

[1:15:46] Now you'll

[1:15:47] be ready

[1:15:47] for it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:48] It's,

[1:15:49] yeah,

[1:15:49] it's great.

[1:15:50] It,

[1:15:51] you know,

[1:15:51] it,

[1:15:52] like,

[1:15:52] it's all

[1:15:53] the things

[1:15:53] that people

[1:15:53] say about

[1:15:54] it are

[1:15:54] true.

[1:15:55] The soundtrack

[1:15:55] by Wang

[1:15:56] Chung totally

[1:15:57] rips.

[1:15:58] The car

[1:15:59] chase is

[1:15:59] incredible.

[1:16:00] Like,

[1:16:01] I remember,

[1:16:01] like,

[1:16:02] you know,

[1:16:03] I was watching

[1:16:04] this movie

[1:16:04] this morning

[1:16:05] while very

[1:16:06] hungover,

[1:16:06] and it got

[1:16:07] to the car

[1:16:08] chase scene.

[1:16:09] At first,

[1:16:09] I'm like,

[1:16:10] oh,

[1:16:10] yeah,

[1:16:10] okay,

[1:16:11] yeah,

[1:16:11] this is pretty

[1:16:12] good,

[1:16:12] I guess,

[1:16:12] and then,

[1:16:13] you know,

[1:16:13] a couple

[1:16:13] minutes in,

[1:16:14] I'm like,

[1:16:15] I audibly

[1:16:16] said,

[1:16:16] I love

[1:16:18] yeah,

[1:16:21] it's just

[1:16:21] fucking great,

[1:16:21] man,

[1:16:22] and like,

[1:16:22] you get to see

[1:16:23] Willem Dafoe

[1:16:23] hanging out

[1:16:24] in a gym,

[1:16:24] working out,

[1:16:25] it's awesome.

[1:16:26] Watch that shit.

Elliott Kalan

[1:16:27] That's,

[1:16:28] that movie,

[1:16:29] I recently

[1:16:29] rewatched it,

[1:16:30] and it's like,

[1:16:31] the movie is so,

[1:16:32] to watch a movie

[1:16:33] set in a world

[1:16:33] with almost no morality,

[1:16:35] it feels like,

[1:16:36] or like,

[1:16:36] where the characters

[1:16:37] are so morally

[1:16:38] compromised

[1:16:39] the entire way

[1:16:39] through,

[1:16:40] like,

[1:16:40] it's such,

[1:16:40] it's a bracing movie

[1:16:41] that way,

[1:16:42] yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:16:43] Yeah,

[1:16:43] you don't know

[1:16:44] who to root for,

[1:16:44] and they're all

[1:16:45] constantly fucking up,

[1:16:46] it's great.

[1:16:47] Yeah.

[1:16:47] And,

[1:16:48] it's a world

[1:16:49] where the villain

[1:16:51] is constantly

[1:16:51] going to

[1:16:52] an art dance

[1:16:54] show that his

[1:16:55] girlfriend's

[1:16:55] performing in.

Elliott Kalan

[1:16:58] It's great.

Stuart Wellington

[1:16:59] He's super supportive,

[1:17:00] he's a great

[1:17:00] supportive boyfriend.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:01] The bad guy

[1:17:02] character that

[1:17:02] is a very,

[1:17:04] is a fascinating

[1:17:05] character.

[1:17:06] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:17:06] The guy in there.

[1:17:07] A lot of turtlenecks.

Hallie Haglund

[1:17:08] Mock turtlenecks

[1:17:09] or a lot of turtlenecks?

Stuart Wellington

[1:17:11] I said a lot of turtlenecks.

[1:17:12] I also,

[1:17:13] I also,

[1:17:14] there's a sequence

[1:17:15] where,

[1:17:16] early on,

[1:17:17] where Willem Dafoe

[1:17:18] is counterfeiting money,

[1:17:19] and it's very,

[1:17:20] like,

[1:17:20] technical about the process,

[1:17:22] and I just love

[1:17:23] that kind of shit,

[1:17:24] man.

[1:17:24] Like,

[1:17:24] having recently watched Thief,

[1:17:26] there's a lot of technical

[1:17:27] shit in that,

[1:17:29] I don't know,

[1:17:29] like,

[1:17:29] I love the,

[1:17:30] like,

[1:17:30] the physicality

[1:17:32] of watching the process.

[1:17:34] I don't know.

[1:17:34] I thought it was awesome.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:35] Well,

[1:17:35] it reminds me of what a friend

[1:17:37] of mine once said about

[1:17:37] when he finally saw

[1:17:38] the original Dawn of the Dead,

[1:17:39] and he was like,

[1:17:39] here's what I like about

[1:17:40] that movie.

[1:17:41] They mess up all these zombies,

[1:17:42] and they go,

[1:17:43] we gotta clean this up.

[1:17:44] And then you watch them

[1:17:45] get the janitor supplies

[1:17:46] and clean it up,

[1:17:47] and then put the janitor

[1:17:48] supplies away.

[1:17:49] Like,

[1:17:49] the things that show you

[1:17:50] the physical actions

[1:17:52] you have to go through

[1:17:53] to complete a task.

Hallie Haglund

[1:17:54] You know what,

[1:17:55] did you guys watch that show

[1:17:57] The Fall

[1:17:57] with Gillian Anderson

[1:17:59] and Fall?

Dan McCoy

[1:18:00] I watched the first,

[1:18:02] Jamie Dornan is in it.

[1:18:03] Yeah.

[1:18:04] Yeah.

[1:18:04] Yeah,

[1:18:04] I watched the first season.

Hallie Haglund

[1:18:06] That was,

[1:18:06] that was so good about it.

[1:18:08] They did all,

[1:18:09] they had all these scenes

[1:18:11] where it was like,

[1:18:12] you know,

[1:18:12] you'd have someone

[1:18:13] rushed into a hospital room,

[1:18:15] and they were doing

[1:18:15] triage on them,

[1:18:16] and then they'd show,

[1:18:17] like,

[1:18:18] the attendant,

[1:18:19] cleaning up the room

[1:18:20] afterwards,

[1:18:21] it's just like,

[1:18:21] covered in blood.

[1:18:22] Yeah,

[1:18:22] all the,

[1:18:22] all the sort of

[1:18:23] technical stuff

[1:18:24] that they never show you.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:26] That's cool.

[1:18:27] Show me the stuff.

[1:18:29] Yeah,

[1:18:30] show me the stuff.

[1:18:31] That's Stuart's catchphrase.

[1:18:33] We've got all of

[1:18:33] our catchphrases now.

[1:18:34] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:34] from Georgie McGuire,

[1:18:36] the,

[1:18:37] the,

[1:18:38] the Asylum Pictures

[1:18:39] ripoff of Jerry McGuire.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:43] Elliot,

[1:18:43] why don't you recommend

[1:18:44] a movie?

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:44] It goes,

[1:18:45] and then at the end,

[1:18:45] at the end,

[1:18:46] she says,

[1:18:46] she's,

[1:18:47] you had me at,

[1:18:48] hi there.

[1:18:49] That's how it ends

[1:18:49] at the end.

[1:18:50] So,

[1:18:51] so I'll recommend

[1:18:52] a movie now.

[1:18:52] So this is,

[1:18:53] it's not,

[1:18:54] I guess,

[1:18:54] a horror movie,

[1:18:54] but it is a frightening

[1:18:55] situation to be in,

[1:18:57] and it also involves

[1:18:58] car chasing,

[1:18:59] so it fits between both.

[1:19:01] And I recently took a,

[1:19:02] took a revisit to the movie

[1:19:04] Breakdown from 1997,

[1:19:05] starring by Russell and J.T.

[1:19:07] Walsh.

[1:19:07] That's a fun one,

[1:19:07] yeah.

[1:19:08] Kathleen,

[1:19:08] Kathleen Quinlan.

[1:19:09] And it was one of these

[1:19:10] movies I remembered seeing

[1:19:11] as a teenager and being like,

[1:19:12] that was,

[1:19:13] that was fun.

[1:19:14] And I wanted to go back

[1:19:15] and see if it was as good

[1:19:15] as I remembered it.

[1:19:16] And it was.

[1:19:17] Kurt Russell and Kathleen

[1:19:19] Quinlan are a married couple.

[1:19:21] They are driving to their new home

[1:19:22] in,

[1:19:23] what's San Diego,

[1:19:23] I think.

[1:19:24] And along the way,

[1:19:25] they run afoul of a trucker

[1:19:26] played by J.T.

[1:19:27] Walsh,

[1:19:27] who it turns out is a super

[1:19:28] bad guy criminal

[1:19:29] who kidnaps people.

[1:19:30] And Kurt Russell has to

[1:19:32] fight,

[1:19:33] find,

[1:19:33] find the inner,

[1:19:34] the inner savage in himself

[1:19:36] to fight back

[1:19:37] and turn the tables

[1:19:38] and save his wife.

[1:19:39] And it's just like

[1:19:39] a super taut,

[1:19:41] small-scale thriller.

[1:19:43] It's really good,

[1:19:44] directed by Jonathan Mostow,

[1:19:45] who also made a

[1:19:47] Flophouse movie,

[1:19:47] Surrogates.

[1:19:48] So don't go see Surrogates,

[1:19:49] go see Breakdown.

[1:19:50] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:51] Yeah.

[1:19:52] I just remember it having

[1:19:53] like,

[1:19:53] just like,

[1:19:54] one of those classic

[1:19:55] thriller premises,

[1:19:56] you know?

[1:19:57] Like,

[1:19:58] it's just like,

[1:19:58] let's make it

[1:19:59] as simple as possible

[1:20:00] for the audience to

[1:20:01] give this hero,

Stuart Wellington

[1:20:02] give this hero glasses

[1:20:03] to start with

[1:20:04] so you know he's civilized

[1:20:05] and you know those shits

[1:20:06] are going when he goes

[1:20:08] all crazy.

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:09] He's gonna lose those glasses,

[1:20:11] it will not affect

[1:20:11] his vision at all.

[1:20:12] So I don't know why

[1:20:13] he was wearing them.

[1:20:15] But yeah,

[1:20:16] that,

[1:20:16] it's,

[1:20:16] but yeah,

[1:20:18] the car breaks down,

[1:20:19] this trucker offers

[1:20:20] to take his wife

[1:20:21] to go use a payphone

[1:20:22] and then she disappears

[1:20:23] and everyone pretends

[1:20:24] they never heard of her.

[1:20:25] And that's it.

[1:20:26] And then they've got to do great,

[1:20:27] and it's one of those movies

[1:20:29] where like,

[1:20:29] they do a really good job

[1:20:30] where each time you think

[1:20:32] that they're like,

[1:20:32] okay,

[1:20:33] they got it.

[1:20:34] They don't got it.

[1:20:35] Something terrible happens again.

[1:20:36] They got another obstacle

[1:20:37] to get over

[1:20:38] and it's only 93 minutes long.

[1:20:39] It's great.

[1:20:40] Anyway,

[1:20:40] that's breakdown.

[1:20:42] Hallie,

[1:20:42] what have you got?

Hallie Haglund

[1:20:44] Okay,

[1:20:44] my recommendation

[1:20:45] is,

[1:20:48] okay,

[1:20:48] I had never actually

[1:20:49] seen this movie.

[1:20:50] I had only used it

[1:20:51] as an OTS pun

[1:20:53] when we were

[1:20:54] at The Daily Show,

[1:20:55] but I,

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:55] Can I explain what an OTS is?

[1:20:57] That's a nice inside

[1:20:58] look behind the curtain.

Hallie Haglund

[1:20:59] It's an,

[1:20:59] it's an over the shoulders.

[1:21:00] It's the way we title the,

[1:21:02] we would title the pieces

[1:21:03] and they were,

[1:21:05] you know,

[1:21:05] clever little takes

[1:21:06] on movies you recognized.

[1:21:08] Mm-hmm.

[1:21:09] Um.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:10] The men who stare at votes,

[1:21:12] for instance,

[1:21:13] when there was the,

[1:21:14] the Al Gore,

[1:21:16] uh,

[1:21:17] George W. Bush

[1:21:17] hanging beds thing.

[1:21:19] That was one of the classics.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:21] During the long process,

[1:21:22] uh,

[1:21:23] when the Obamacare

[1:21:24] health bill was being debated,

[1:21:25] we went through

[1:21:26] all of the hell,

[1:21:27] all of the hell titles.

[1:21:28] So we did Drag Me to Health

[1:21:29] and Health Razor

[1:21:30] and Health Razor 2

[1:21:32] and we ran out

[1:21:33] and it was so hard

[1:21:34] to do more of them

[1:21:35] because it went on for months.

[1:21:35] But yeah,

[1:21:36] that's,

[1:21:36] but we call those OTSs.

[1:21:37] Right.

Hallie Haglund

[1:21:38] So I finally

[1:21:39] actually saw the movie

[1:21:41] We Need to Talk About Kevin.

[1:21:42] Have you guys ever seen that?

[1:21:44] Yeah.

[1:21:46] It's so good.

[1:21:47] It's a very good movie.

[1:21:49] Yeah.

[1:21:49] My husband suggested it

[1:21:50] and I was like,

[1:21:51] nobody actually watches

[1:21:52] that movie,

[1:21:53] right?

[1:21:54] But I watched it.

[1:21:55] Just use it for puns

[1:21:56] at work.

[1:21:57] Exactly.

[1:21:58] But,

[1:21:58] um,

[1:21:59] you know,

[1:21:59] if you,

[1:22:00] yeah,

[1:22:01] it's,

[1:22:02] while not,

[1:22:03] uh,

[1:22:03] under the horror,

[1:22:04] well,

[1:22:04] you won't find it

[1:22:05] in the horror section

[1:22:06] at Blockbuster.

[1:22:07] No.

[1:22:08] Boy,

[1:22:08] if you have a kid,

[1:22:10] pretty harrowing

[1:22:11] to imagine.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:12] Uh,

[1:22:12] yeah.

[1:22:13] I also think that now,

[1:22:14] uh,

[1:22:15] out of the four of us,

[1:22:16] only Elliot has not recommended

[1:22:18] We Need to Talk About Kevin.

[1:22:20] I also love,

[1:22:20] maybe I'll do it next time.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:22] I also love a world

[1:22:23] where Tilda Swinton

[1:22:23] and John C. Reilly

[1:22:24] are married.

[1:22:25] Okay,

Hallie Haglund

[1:22:26] that was the only thing

[1:22:27] that I was like,

[1:22:27] I love him as the weird,

[1:22:29] uh,

[1:22:30] goofy,

[1:22:31] clueless husband

[1:22:31] casting.

[1:22:33] Like,

[1:22:33] I thought it totally worked

[1:22:34] in the hours,

[1:22:35] but in this one,

[1:22:36] I was like,

[1:22:37] no,

[1:22:37] this isn't,

[1:22:38] Tilda Swinton

[1:22:39] is too sophisticated

[1:22:40] for this guy.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:41] But he's got that,

[1:22:42] like,

[1:22:42] that,

[1:22:43] like,

[1:22:43] cool BDE,

[1:22:44] you know?

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:45] And you know where

[1:22:46] you can find We Need to Talk About Kevin?

[1:22:48] Where?

[1:22:48] It's on Tubi.

[1:22:49] That's right.

[1:22:49] Oh, shit.

[1:22:50] Every movie's on Tubi,

[1:22:51] it turns out.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:54] Uh,

[1:22:54] yeah.

[1:22:55] Well,

[1:22:55] this is where we reveal

[1:22:56] that the entire run

[1:22:57] of the Flophouse

[1:22:58] has been a stealth advertisement

[1:22:59] for Tubi.

[1:23:00] Man,

[1:23:00] Tubi,

[1:23:01] you can get in on this.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:01] That's where they spent

[1:23:02] all of their money,

[1:23:03] their ad money.

[1:23:04] Yeah,

[1:23:04] it was just,

[1:23:05] I mean,

[1:23:05] they should,

[1:23:06] that'd be fine.

[1:23:07] Uh,

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:07] yeah,

[1:23:08] somebody was like,

[1:23:08] hey,

[1:23:09] you guys maybe should advertise

[1:23:10] on the Flophouse,

[1:23:11] and they're like,

[1:23:12] why?

[1:23:12] They're already talking

[1:23:13] about us all the time.

[1:23:14] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:14] we're giving away for free.

[1:23:15] We call that the Popeye's

[1:23:17] conundrum,

[1:23:17] yeah.

[1:23:18] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:19] They're getting the milk

[1:23:20] for free,

[1:23:20] and as Hallie knows,

[1:23:22] we need more milk.

[1:23:24] We need more milk.

[1:23:27] So,

[1:23:28] Hallie,

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:28] what movie that you've

[1:23:29] talked about for years

[1:23:30] but you've never actually seen

[1:23:31] or are you gonna go after next?

Hallie Haglund

[1:23:32] Uh,

[1:23:34] I don't know.

[1:23:34] Do you guys hear

[1:23:35] my babies screaming?

[1:23:36] That's what I'm

[1:23:38] distracted by.

[1:23:39] Sorry.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:40] Well then let's let you go.

[1:23:42] If you,

[1:23:42] if you're just,

[1:23:43] Is it a real baby

[1:23:44] or is it,

[1:23:44] or is it a ghost?

[1:23:46] It's,

[1:23:46] it's to get me out

Hallie Haglund

[1:23:47] of this question.

[1:23:48] I,

Hallie Haglund

[1:23:48] I,

Dan McCoy

[1:23:49] I,

[1:23:49] okay.

[1:23:51] Let's,

[1:23:52] let's,

[1:23:52] yeah,

[1:23:52] let's,

[1:23:53] let's let Hallie go.

[1:23:54] Um,

[1:23:55] what do we do at the end

[1:23:55] of the show?

[1:23:56] We say,

[1:23:57] we let Hallie plug

[1:23:57] anything she wants to plug.

[1:23:58] Yeah,

Dan McCoy

[1:23:58] oh yeah.

[1:23:59] Dan,

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:59] are you one of the new

[1:24:00] listeners who's joining

Dan McCoy

[1:24:01] the block party?

[1:24:03] I heard an ad for this

[1:24:04] on,

[1:24:05] um,

[1:24:06] uh,

[1:24:06] Alonso's show

[1:24:08] and I just,

[1:24:09] you know,

[1:24:10] this is for me.

[1:24:11] No,

[1:24:11] Hallie,

[1:24:11] do you have anything

[1:24:12] to plug?

Hallie Haglund

[1:24:13] I mean,

[1:24:13] this is the only thing

[1:24:14] I've,

[1:24:14] I'm doing this episode.

[1:24:16] So,

[1:24:16] uh,

[1:24:17] I plug,

[1:24:18] you know,

[1:24:19] rewind,

[1:24:20] listen to it again.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:23] And you're going to have

[1:24:24] those,

[1:24:24] uh,

[1:24:24] those t-shirts

[1:24:25] with a catchphrase

[1:24:26] coming out soon.

Hallie Haglund

[1:24:26] Yeah,

[1:24:27] exactly.

[1:24:28] On my Etsy store.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:30] Oh,

[1:24:31] nice.

[1:24:31] Handmade.

[1:24:32] Well,

[1:24:32] thank you to Alex Smith

[1:24:34] for being our producer,

[1:24:36] making this,

[1:24:37] uh,

[1:24:38] sound as,

[1:24:39] as good as we do.

[1:24:40] Uh,

[1:24:41] and,

[1:24:42] uh,

[1:24:42] thank you to Maximum Fun.

[1:24:44] Go to MaximumFun.org

[1:24:46] to look at other podcasts

[1:24:48] on the network

[1:24:48] or listen to them.

[1:24:50] If you look at them,

[1:24:50] they won't do much.

[1:24:51] But if you,

[1:24:52] you know,

[1:24:52] hit play

[1:24:53] and listen to them,

[1:24:54] you'll be,

[1:24:55] uh,

[1:24:56] edified

[1:24:56] and you'll enjoy yourself.

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:58] Yeah.

[1:24:58] And if you're a new listener

[1:24:59] who is just tuning in

[1:25:01] from the block party,

[1:25:02] we have a whole bunch of episodes,

[1:25:04] years and years of them.

[1:25:04] Don't go too far back.

[1:25:06] Uh,

[1:25:07] but you know,

[1:25:07] whatever,

[1:25:08] check it out.

[1:25:08] Some are worse,

[1:25:09] some are better.

[1:25:10] Who knows?

[1:25:11] Just take a chance.

Dan McCoy

[1:25:11] Some need more milk.

[1:25:13] Sorry,

[1:25:13] I stole your cash.

[1:25:14] But,

[1:25:14] uh,

[1:25:15] for the Flophouse,

[1:25:17] I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:25:19] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Stuart Wellington

[1:25:21] I'm Hallie Haglund.

[1:25:23] I'm Hallie Galen.

[1:25:25] Bye.

[1:25:27] Boing.

[1:25:27] Bye.

[1:25:28] Boing.

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:32] From the twisted mind

[1:25:33] of Henry James,

[1:25:35] the horror master

[1:25:36] who brought you

[1:25:36] the golden bowl.

[1:25:39] Hail,

[1:25:40] you sick fucks.

[1:25:41] Maximum fun.

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Ep. #353 - The Turning, with Hallie Haglund

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