The Moment, with Hallie Haglund

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss the moment.

[0:04] Like right now?

[0:30] Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:33] Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:35] Yo, yo, yo. Elliot Kaelin coming to you from the house.

[0:38] No, no. Stop it right now.

[0:40] All right. Rejected. Slapped.

[0:44] Almost immediately, I tried something and almost immediately was told no.

[0:47] That's fine.

[0:49] Well, I'm just going to say...

[0:50] It was kind of the way you crossed your arms and looked all sassy when you did it.

[0:54] Was the angle of my hat, though, when I turned the brim, not quite right to sell it?

[0:59] Was it the fact that I base this character mainly on T-shirts of Looney Tunes characters and gangsta?

[1:05] Yeah.

[1:06] Well, anyway, we've got a guest joining us today on the Flophouse, a very special guest.

[1:11] The specialist guest we've had except for the time when my son was on the show.

[1:15] It's the star of the show.

[1:17] That's right.

[1:18] The star of the show is here, one Halston Haglund.

[1:23] Now I'm going to hear something.

[1:24] You're going to say something.

[1:25] I made a cute pose to the camera instead of saying hello.

[1:30] Hello.

[1:32] Oh, hello.

[1:32] I like how Hallie's face fell when she took second seat.

[1:37] To my own son, yeah.

[1:39] Yeah, outrage.

[1:40] Come on.

[1:41] Who's consistently more of a joy in your life?

[1:44] That is a good point.

[1:45] That's a very good point.

[1:46] Who have you known longer, Ellie?

[1:47] And who has more experience performing?

[1:50] It's all signs point to Hallie.

[1:52] That's true.

[1:53] But this is an ongoing feud between Hallie and my older son, Sammy.

[1:57] Wow.

[1:59] Watch out, Sammy.

[2:01] She's threatening.

[2:02] Hallie, I didn't realize you also had a large iced coffee along with that shot of water.

[2:07] Hallie's two-beveraging today.

[2:09] I came prepared.

[2:11] She has 40 ounces of water and a large iced coffee.

[2:13] Yeah, and the bathroom's under construction.

[2:16] Oh, no.

[2:17] That's true.

[2:18] What a terrible joke.

[2:19] If only I had one of those mobile toilet robots.

[2:22] That's what we were talking about before the show.

[2:24] Hallie's doing some amazing callbacks to material from before the show.

[2:30] Are you telling me Sammy could do any better?

[2:33] No, maybe not.

[2:34] Maybe not.

[2:35] Clearly, it's always a joy when Hallie joins us.

[2:39] And as happens when Hallie joins us, I threw Hallie a list of movies.

[2:45] I was like, which of these sparks joy for you?

[2:49] And Hallie said, let's talk about the moment.

[2:51] the charlie xcs xe x sorry x charlie x is this how it's gonna go

[2:59] i mean i will trip over several things i will say charlie xcx is a hard name to say quickly

[3:07] i was having trouble when i was explaining this movie to people partly because i was having

[3:11] trouble saying the name uh hallie was raising a question i don't know if it's going to end up on

[3:15] the recording but hallie was raising the question of what number xcx even is in roman numerals right

[3:20] Because it's like 10, 100, 10.

[3:22] But because their placement, those two exes should cancel each other out.

[3:25] So she's just Charlie 100, right?

[3:27] Yeah.

[3:28] It's really complicated, guys.

[3:30] So what's this whole movie about?

[3:32] Oh, and also on this podcast, we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

[3:34] So, Dan, what's this movie about?

[3:36] Well, I'm going to start off by saying this movie is – I'm on summary.

[3:41] And this movie is hard to summarize because it is not about much.

[3:45] It is about – it is a fictionalized version of the experience of being Charlie XCX.

[3:54] It is –

[3:54] Great.

[3:55] It is the truth about Charlie.

[3:56] It is a mockumentary where it is more about throwing you into the world and sort of the tone of like what's happening.

[4:06] I will say I have never seen a mockumentary that was so low on mock and so high on youmentary.

[4:11] Like it really feels like it is trying at times just to be a regular documentary.

[4:16] The comedy is so dry that it's mostly evaporated, I would say, in this film.

[4:20] I laughed.

[4:22] Did you?

[4:22] Yeah.

[4:23] Well, we'll talk about it.

[4:23] Not like the whole time.

[4:25] It's hard not to laugh when Cate Berlant's in the movie.

[4:28] But she's giving like nothing, nothing.

[4:31] Are you kidding me?

[4:31] You don't have to give her much.

[4:32] She's Cate Berlant.

[4:33] She'll make do with everything.

[4:34] Yeah, all she's got to do is go.

[4:36] That was really posterized there, yeah.

[4:38] I was delighted to see her, but Kate Berlant, I think, says three sentences maybe.

[4:43] Well, staff was in there letting flats all throughout the movie, too.

[4:46] Yeah, I mean, I think he was great in it.

[4:48] And, I mean, you have a comedic powerhouse, Rosanna fucking Arquette, dude.

[4:52] That's true.

[4:53] She is funny in it.

[4:54] I mean, I was glad to see her.

[4:56] Again, I don't know that anyone is given much of anything.

[5:00] Well, Sarsgaard is given the most.

[5:02] Yeah, yeah.

[5:03] He's still funny.

[5:04] Sarsgaard.

[5:05] Alexander Skarsgård is in it throughout, Murderbot himself, and he's very funny throughout, yeah.

[5:10] No, he's got the most juice.

[5:11] So you know what? This is heavy on mock, I guess.

[5:14] You know what? Maybe after years of Christopher Guest movies, our standards for mockumentaries are too high.

[5:20] We expect nonstop laughs.

[5:21] In that they should make us laugh once?

[5:25] Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[5:26] I think I was cooler on this picture perhaps, but we'll get into it.

[5:32] I mean, I think I would have disliked the movie more if I was summarizing it because when we get to Final Judgment, you'll see.

[5:38] Well, I was going to say, as I summarize, because it is a movie that is not, the plot is not necessarily the point.

[5:45] I will probably skip a bunch of stuff.

[5:47] But if you want to highlight anything that I am skipping, please jump in.

[5:50] Now, wait, before we start with the plot, though, I just want to ask, what was your guys' experience with the work of Charlie XCX before watching this movie?

[5:58] Because I got to say, other than that I Don't Care song, I don't really know her music.

[6:02] At all.

[6:03] I know that song, but I did not know until it played over the closing credits of this that that was her.

[6:10] That she was featured and she wrote the song that another band is credited with.

[6:15] Yes.

[6:16] Yeah.

[6:16] Much like Sparks with the song Singing in the Shower.

[6:19] Yeah, I don't know that.

[6:20] So that reference just flew right over my head.

[6:23] That's fine.

[6:23] That's the real Sparks Eds.

[6:24] Unlike most of the references Elliot makes, which totally land.

[6:29] So, yeah, I mean, I was familiar with her.

[6:31] I think I was very into her Letterboxd reviews.

[6:36] I think she's, you know, I think she's got really great taste in movies,

[6:40] which is probably why she's in so many of them right now.

[6:44] And she's very cool, right?

[6:46] Like, she's super cool.

[6:47] She's very cool.

[6:48] She has this new album coming.

[6:49] A big theme of the movie.

[6:50] Is how cool she is, yeah.

[6:51] And she has this movie coming, or her next album's coming out,

[6:55] that has only one featured performer,

[6:57] and it's fucking David Cronenberg, which is really cool.

[7:01] Yeah, I mean, like, the impression I get is, like, I think that she seems to be a cool person.

[7:07] The movie that was made, I'm like, okay, I guess you kind of needed to do this for your own, like, personal, like, therapy, maybe.

[7:16] Hallie, what about you?

[7:17] Were you a fan of Charli XCX before this film?

[7:19] Yeah, I will say I feel like I'm probably more familiar with her than the rest of the group.

[7:28] Seems kind of like stereotyping, but yeah, okay.

[7:31] uh but i'm not that big i mean it's i'm more i'm uh you know i like her music but i'm sort of more

[7:37] into her her lore her her place in the canon of uh young pop stars um you know she her her beefs

[7:48] if you will friendships um what kind of beast does she have like taylor obviously oh never mind

[7:54] okay that's not the kind of beefs i'm into i'm into like you know i mean i have a beef with

[7:58] Taylor, too.

[7:59] This is about Australia again.

[8:01] Taylor Farms beef.

[8:02] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[8:05] Does she have a beef with Taylor?

[8:06] My tummy is all over the place.

[8:08] Because I got to say, that's the kind of beef that I wouldn't have taken a side in

[8:11] until Taylor Swift had her wedding at Madison Square Garden.

[8:14] And then I was like, you know what?

[8:15] I am on whoever's side is not on her side.

[8:18] And she owes me money.

[8:19] She owes me money.

[8:21] And she owes Stuart money.

[8:22] Because Stuart, I mean, to be fair, Stuart, if you go to a country where Taylor Swift

[8:26] is performing, when she's performing, she probably

[8:28] planned that show way ahead of time.

[8:30] It's not like she heard you were going and then set up a show.

[8:32] She didn't text my ex.

[8:34] If you're going to Australia, you might want to

[8:36] know that I'm performing there. The hotel rates are going to

[8:38] be way higher.

[8:39] I do think that

[8:42] if you're Taylor Swift, you know,

[8:44] there are certain realities about your life

[8:46] that maybe require

[8:48] a different

[8:50] type of venue for

[8:52] your wedding than

[8:54] She did pay

[8:56] I don't understand your point

[8:59] I'm just like the security that is going to

[9:01] Need to be happening when like

[9:03] The largest pop star

[9:06] Is getting married

[9:07] Maybe it shouldn't be in the center of Manhattan

[9:09] Exactly

[9:10] For maximum inconvenience

[9:13] You're right Dan that's the most secure place in the world

[9:15] Is Madison Square Garden

[9:16] It's the fucking Fort Knox of weddings

[9:19] That's where they take the president

[9:20] When the president gets married

[9:23] It was going to take place there during a celebrity wedding.

[9:26] Yeah, yeah.

[9:26] My summary just, there's a lot more insults towards all of you that just appeared.

[9:32] Wow, wow, interesting.

[9:33] So Dan's using AI to write his summary.

[9:35] All right, now we get it, yeah.

[9:37] I just blocked someone who literally just reposted an AI thing.

[9:42] I'm like, nope, I don't need to see it on my timeline.

[9:46] Okay, let's talk about the movie.

[9:49] It's 2024.

[9:51] It's Brat Summer, guys.

[9:53] Pop music has been banned by the world's tyrant government.

[9:56] It's Brat Summer.

[9:57] What does that mean?

[9:58] I'm not clear.

[9:59] I know it was clear.

[10:00] I don't know, but it's happening.

[10:01] And Charlie XCX is riding high.

[10:03] Now, again, here's the thing.

[10:05] Here's why I would prefer Charlie XCX to Taylor Swift.

[10:08] Just one more reason is that when it was Brat Summer, I vaguely knew Brat Summer was happening.

[10:14] It didn't really impact my life.

[10:15] It was just a thing that was going on.

[10:16] When Taylor Swift is getting married, I've got to hear about it all the time.

[10:19] And all I can think is I cannot handle how fucking annoying it's going to be when she has a baby.

[10:24] And suddenly I'm going to have to hear about her baby all the time.

[10:28] Whereas Brett Summer, you know what?

[10:30] It was just happening.

[10:31] I didn't need to know about it.

[10:32] You're right.

[10:32] Those are two equivalent things.

[10:34] Well, that baby's going to be a brat.

[10:36] The people involved felt about how much coverage it got.

[10:39] And all the cocaine you were doing just kind of made it fly by anyway.

[10:42] Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[10:43] Yeah, yeah.

[10:44] Got to get into the moment.

[10:45] But, guys, you know, Brett Summer inevitably ends, and it's Brett-less fall.

[10:50] What do you do?

[10:51] What happens?

[10:52] The label wants Charlie and her team to extend the whole Brett Summer moment.

[10:56] And never end it.

[10:57] That's the thing.

[10:58] It's how to keep it from ending.

[11:00] Yeah, exactly.

[11:00] Brett Summer has to become the Brett year.

[11:02] Hallie, tell me, what are Brett Summer?

[11:06] Tell me.

[11:06] Explain.

[11:07] It's just a feeling.

[11:09] If you don't know, I don't know if I can tell you.

[11:12] Okay.

[11:14] Convenient.

[11:15] And it's like Louis Armstrong said, if you have to ask about Brat Summer, you'll never know.

[11:19] She's the sort of answer you love to get on a podcast.

[11:21] Now, my understanding as a 44-year-old man is that –

[11:24] I don't really know.

[11:25] Is that Charlie – like the idea of Brat Summer, my understanding of it, which could be wrong, was there's the idea of like a kind of joyful, deliberate being bad in a non-hurtful way to others.

[11:39] Like you're kind of like you're bad, your behavior is bad, but you know what?

[11:42] It's kind of fun, and you're not a troublemaker.

[11:45] You're not a Trump.

[11:46] You're not Stephen Miller.

[11:48] Oh, so that's why Kamala was Brett.

[11:50] Exactly.

[11:51] Because her shenanigans, all of her hilarious shenanigans didn't hurt anyone.

[11:56] They didn't hurt anyone because she never attained political power.

[11:58] I mean, I think the whole thing is, like, it's kind of explaining the movie

[12:02] in the way that she put out this album that had a certain attitude,

[12:05] and then, like, everybody fucking glommed onto it,

[12:08] and they're like, ah, it's Brad Summer, blah, blah, blah.

[12:10] Kamala's Brett.

[12:12] And Mario from the Mario Brothers is Brad, even though Luigi's the green one.

[12:15] And you're like, that doesn't make any fucking sense.

[12:17] And Wario's clearly the Brad.

[12:19] We all know Wario's the Brad.

[12:21] Waluigi, I guess, because he's the green one.

[12:23] But here's the thing.

[12:24] Actually, you know what?

[12:25] Now I'm on Taylor Swift's side because I forgot that Brat Summer really overshadowed Brat Summer,

[12:31] the seasonal celebration of tube meat.

[12:36] Well, I mean, that usually happens in October.

[12:38] And so the fact that it was in the summer was kind of overstepping it.

[12:41] I know, they were trying something new.

[12:43] And then Brat Summer came and stole its thunder.

[12:45] It was trying to respect Brat Fall.

[12:51] Brat Fall, the movie where the giant brat is crashing into the earth.

[12:56] No, it's named after the halfway house that young James Bond was raised in.

[13:00] That's right, Brat Fall.

[13:01] Because he was raised by a butcher.

[13:05] But yeah, the label wants...

[13:07] house? Was this like his family's

[13:09] estate?

[13:11] I thought Steffel was like his family's estate.

[13:13] I thought it was like an orphanage or something.

[13:15] Maybe I wasn't paying attention to that movie.

[13:17] No, no. He's like

[13:20] vaguely

[13:21] aristocratic in some way.

[13:23] To be honest, I don't like

[13:25] the idea of James Bond having an aristocratic

[13:27] background. I like the idea of him being someone who's

[13:29] constructed this character.

[13:31] Anyway, much like Charlie XCX has had to

[13:33] construct this character of the brat.

[13:36] That's right. And

[13:37] And the label wants that to continue forever.

[13:39] Because money.

[13:40] They just see her as a source of money that you can get through being a brat forever.

[13:44] Yeah, like Dennis the Menace, raking in the dough by being a brat.

[13:47] Mm-hmm.

[13:48] He's a problem child.

[13:50] How does Mr. Wilson feel about Charlie X, the X?

[13:52] Is that a problem?

[13:53] She's always ruining his prize begonias.

[13:56] Mm-hmm.

[13:58] She finds this cringe and her closest team agree, but they want money too.

[14:07] But she's about to do a big arena tour.

[14:10] The main label, Big Wig, that's Tammy, played by Rosanna Arquette, as we mentioned.

[14:15] Great to see her.

[14:17] One of Charlie's team is Tim.

[14:18] He's played by Jamie Dimitriou.

[14:21] Can I ask something about Rosanna Arquette?

[14:24] Yes, the song Rosanna was about her.

[14:27] Yes, yes.

[14:28] Not quite a year since she went away.

[14:31] How is she related to the rest of the Arquette?

[14:34] She's sisters with Patricia Arquette, right?

[14:35] Yeah.

[14:36] Is she also sisters with David Arquette then?

[14:38] Are they all three siblings?

[14:39] I think so, yeah.

[14:40] Okay.

[14:41] I don't know if...

[14:42] And they're all the children of Fritz Weaver, right?

[14:46] David...

[14:47] Fritz Lieber?

[14:48] No, not Fritz Lieber.

[14:49] The author of the Fawford and the Gray Mouser stories.

[14:51] Oh, Weaver?

[14:51] Loving them.

[14:52] Loving them so far.

[14:52] I was just...

[14:53] You've been reading...

[14:53] I'm reading some of those too right now.

[14:56] No, you're right.

[14:57] Roseanne Arquette's sister.

[14:59] Patricia Arquette's sister.

[15:00] Alexis Arquette's sister.

[15:02] Who's Alexis?

[15:02] He had David's hot link,

[15:04] So he just went right there.

[15:06] Cliff Arquette, grandfather, Zoe Blue niece.

[15:08] Oh, that's right.

[15:09] So their grandfather is Cliff Arquette, who performed as Fritz Lieber.

[15:11] Yeah, yeah.

[15:12] Not Fritz Lieber, author of Coming Attraction.

[15:13] Where is David Arquette?

[15:14] Yeah.

[15:15] Where is he?

[15:16] We need to know because Ben Mayer is on the loose and they're all in danger.

[15:20] How does he fit in?

[15:22] He does fit in.

[15:23] He's the sibling.

[15:24] He's the sibling.

[15:24] Okay, okay.

[15:25] I mean, he fits in mainly by doing phone service commercials nowadays.

[15:28] What a family.

[15:30] Can you imagine?

[15:31] Powerhouses.

[15:32] I know.

[15:32] Hollywood royalty, the Arquettes.

[15:34] As I was saying, I was glad to see Jamie Dimitriou

[15:39] until I realized that he was not going to be given much funny to do either.

[15:43] I don't know who that is.

[15:44] Who is that?

[15:45] So he's the guy who plays her manager or business manager.

[15:49] Oh, I liked him.

[15:50] Yeah, he's known for being, he had a show, Staff Let's Flats,

[15:53] and he's been in a bunch of other things.

[15:55] No, he wasn't Mr. B's, no.

[15:57] He definitely brings a improv competency that this role needed.

[16:03] But he's kind of just, they don't give, he's mostly doing what I would call veep light.

[16:07] Yeah.

[16:08] Where it's like, he's incompetent in what he's doing.

[16:10] He's trying to cover himself up, but he's not, they don't give him actual situations to be in.

[16:14] Cover himself up with a lovely windbreaker.

[16:17] That's true.

[16:18] But it also, there is something funny about the idea of this guy who is clearly not cool,

[16:25] who is the business manager for somebody who is cool.

[16:29] And she's looking to him, like, you know, later on, she ends up looking to him for artistic advice.

[16:34] And it's clearly the worst person to ask.

[16:37] Yes.

[16:38] The label is pushing a lot of brand deals, including a Brett credit card from Howard Sterling, a failing bank company.

[16:46] Charlie is, like, clearly overwhelmed by the sudden mega fame that she's experiencing.

[16:51] And she's exhausted.

[16:53] And early on, she has this opportunity for a free Ibiza vacation.

[16:57] Sorry, can I say something?

[16:58] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[16:59] Because that was a funny moment.

[17:01] The brat credit card is a queer credit card.

[17:05] Yeah, it's for gay people.

[17:05] And when she asked, she's like, well, how are they going to, do they have to, like, prove that they're gay?

[17:10] I thought that was a funny moment.

[17:12] I thought that was a funny interaction.

[17:13] That was something they could have done more with.

[17:15] The idea of, if they were looking to do a comedy movie, is the idea of a credit card that is specifically trying to cash in on the queer youth demographic that Charlie has as a fan base.

[17:28] And how do you do that?

[17:28] And what does that mean?

[17:29] But they're not really that.

[17:31] It's not really about that.

[17:32] Like the movie is about what it's like to be famous, to be torn in a bunch of different directions.

[17:36] But I did think that that moment was funny.

[17:38] It was funny.

[17:38] Sure.

[17:39] Yeah.

[17:39] Did you laugh?

[17:40] I don't know that I laughed.

[17:41] It's a mockumentary.

[17:43] It's not a laugh-cumentary.

[17:45] It's a little bit less.

[17:47] I guess I might give it a wry smile.

[17:49] I don't want to, like, get too much into my feelings, like, overall before we get to the end.

[17:55] Dan, we need to start getting into your feelings.

[17:57] Come on.

[17:58] But I felt like, I was like, this is gesturing at a premise that could be funny without, like, taking full advantage of it.

[18:09] And that's my problem with, like, a lot of the movie is, like, I don't think it ever pushes anything far enough to actually find laughs.

[18:17] Like, I can see, like, okay, well, this is the beginning of a comic idea, but then it doesn't, like, heighten, really.

[18:22] All right, so what would you do?

[18:24] How would you heighten it?

[18:25] Yeah, yeah, put Dan on the spot.

[18:26] He loves this.

[18:27] Oh, punch up house.

[18:30] Show me, show me.

[18:31] Make it gayer.

[18:33] I was just like, it is like so, it's like such a short scene.

[18:37] Like I would just explore the idea more.

[18:40] Also, how would you explore it?

[18:41] Okay.

[18:42] I'm not, I'm not on trial here, counselor.

[18:47] This whole podcast is on trial.

[18:50] And a lot of this, up until this point, a lot of it is we are like getting brief introductions

[18:54] to the various characters that surround her

[18:57] and make up her life,

[18:58] and very few of them are that heightened.

[19:00] I mean, when, like, Cate Berlant shows up,

[19:02] you're like, okay, at least she's doing, like, a thing.

[19:04] She's like, I'm not saying she's,

[19:07] this is her best work ever, Dan,

[19:08] but I'm saying that at least, like,

[19:10] this is a comedic actor who is making choices

[19:13] and is clearly, like, trying,

[19:15] I mean, this feels like stuff that's inspired

[19:17] by Charlie XCX's actual life,

[19:19] but on some level, it's also like,

[19:22] I don't care, like, that you met this person that's annoying.

[19:26] That was my vibe with it, though.

[19:29] Like, I'm like, okay, this is, like, it's, like, too inspired by her life,

[19:33] even though it's fictionalized,

[19:35] because I don't think it's going the extra mile of being like,

[19:38] okay, let's make it more than, like, a story I might tell.

[19:43] Like, what is interesting about it to the world, you know?

[19:47] It's partly that it's not quite exaggerated enough

[19:51] to be on a mockumentary.

[19:53] But, you know what?

[19:55] We'll find out.

[19:55] Maybe that's okay.

[19:56] Like if they're going to cast a cab driver,

[19:58] throw Eugene Levy in there.

[19:59] He'd be great.

[20:02] Yeah, that's what it needed

[20:03] was more cameos.

[20:04] It needed more cameos.

[20:06] I mean, those were the things I enjoyed

[20:08] when people, I'm like,

[20:10] hey, I know who that is.

[20:11] That can't be some pleasure.

[20:12] There was another pop star who shows up

[20:14] and I was like,

[20:15] I am not sure if this is a real person

[20:17] or a character.

[20:18] Like, I guess it's a real person,

[20:19] but there's...

[20:21] I don't remember her name or who it was.

[20:22] It was just another girl who shows up, another lady.

[20:24] At which part?

[20:25] They're like in a bathroom.

[20:27] Rachel Sennett?

[20:27] Are you talking about Rachel Sennett?

[20:29] She's an actress.

[20:30] Yeah.

[20:31] She's the creator of I Love L.A.

[20:33] Oh, I haven't seen I Love L.A.

[20:35] Star of Shiva Baby?

[20:36] I haven't seen Shiva Baby.

[20:39] I don't watch Jewish stuff.

[20:40] I'm not into it.

[20:41] Yeah.

[20:42] She's very funny.

[20:43] Well, don't worry.

[20:43] She's not Jewish.

[20:44] I feel like there was a, in a mockumentary that involves famous people, they do one of

[20:49] two things.

[20:49] They either present themselves as the much worse version of themselves and it's like, ha-ha, can you believe this?

[20:56] I'd never be like that.

[20:57] Or they just are themselves and they just hang around and they don't really do much of anything.

[21:03] And I feel like this movie can never quite be totally sure which direction it's going in with the people who are in it.

[21:09] But I thought Rachel Sennett was funny when she showed up.

[21:12] Yeah.

[21:13] She wasn't supposed to be – she was supposed to be herself, right?

[21:17] Yeah.

[21:17] Yeah, okay.

[21:18] But she was, like, the one that I felt was closest to doing, like, a heightened thing.

[21:24] Yes.

[21:25] Like, she, I mean, like, clearly she's, like, really, yes.

[21:28] But he's playing a character.

[21:29] He's not playing himself, yeah.

[21:30] But she's, like, really happy to be, like, yeah, I'll do, like, the unpleasant version of myself thing.

[21:34] But it wasn't, like, it could have been much more unpleasant.

[21:37] Like, she didn't seem that bad, you know, or that, like, it wasn't the same as Patrick Stewart on Extras telling this,

[21:45] pitching the story about how he wants to make a movie

[21:47] where he just uses his mental powers to make women's clothes

[21:49] from the wall. It's too late, he's already seen everything.

[21:53] Hallie's mulling it over.

[21:55] Well, it's just kind of weird

[21:57] because I feel like this is

[21:59] getting very meta because

[22:00] Rachel Sennett's show is basically

[22:03] her playing a version of herself

[22:05] that's heightened.

[22:07] And so now she's coming on

[22:09] as that person who created that show

[22:11] and supposed to be more

[22:13] heightened than that version.

[22:15] Maybe she's playing the character from the show in this movie.

[22:18] Maybe.

[22:19] Could be a crossover.

[22:22] Anyway, at this point, we've talked about him a lot.

[22:24] Is she related to Mack Sennett?

[22:26] Is she a Nepo great-grandbaby?

[22:28] They're spelled differently.

[22:29] Oh, they're probably not.

[22:30] Yeah.

[22:31] Is she related to the Senate, the political body?

[22:36] Oh, man, the ultimate Nepo baby, yeah.

[22:39] I've got 100 parents from all over the country.

[22:44] My dad's a senate, my mom's a senate, and I'm Rachel.

[22:49] Crazy.

[22:49] And I'm Rachel.

[22:52] Can we workshop this title?

[22:54] I don't know.

[22:55] It's accurate.

[22:56] There's a lot of stuff going on here.

[23:02] Anyway, I don't even know whether that – does the audience understand what we're making fun of?

[23:08] So the audience, if they're not aware, there was a one-man show at one point that was running into your call.

[23:13] Was it my dad's Jewish, my mom's Italian, and I'm in therapy or something like that?

[23:17] And that same guy that he did a later one-man show that was called Blood Type Marinara.

[23:23] See, that sounds like a weird thriller to me, Blood Type Marinara.

[23:27] Yeah, yeah, the Italian restaurant we ran out of tomato sauce.

[23:30] We have to use blood.

[23:32] There is a blood shortage right now.

[23:34] There is a blood shortage right now.

[23:35] We should be donating blood right now instead of talking about the moment.

[23:39] But it's the moment.

[23:40] We are being awareness.

[23:41] You can donate blood.

[23:43] To donate blood.

[23:43] Go donate blood.

[23:47] Don't wait another moment.

[23:48] But don't do it the amateur way where you just poke a hole in your arm, pour it in a bottle, and then mail it to the Red Cross.

[23:53] That's not helpful.

[23:54] And just throw that blood out the window at the place.

[23:56] And say, whoever needs it.

[23:58] Don't tie it onto a bird because it won't get there.

[24:01] Don't just leave it on the doorstep.

[24:03] No.

[24:04] That pigeon is not going to bring that blood.

[24:07] Don't just leave it in a can or a tomato jar on your doorstep and say, free blood.

[24:13] take don't give it to a strange transylvanian man with sharp teeth he's just gonna get where

[24:18] it's going just gonna drink and don't leave it like in on just on the street corner because

[24:22] he'll get mixed up with all the piss bottles so the cabbies leave exactly and somebody's gonna

[24:26] be like that needs needs to go to his urologist and if you are if you are gonna mail it don't

[24:30] just put it in an envelope it's just gonna soak right through yeah i think i i gotta credit my

[24:35] wife with that joke because she makes that joke every time we pass a piss bottle that is the uh

[24:39] A rosy shade.

[24:42] Yeah, they're very health conscious, whoever left that there.

[24:46] They want to get tested, yeah.

[24:48] Okay, we've talked about him before.

[24:50] This is when Johanna Godwin, played by Alexander Skarsgård, enters the picture.

[24:56] He is the potential...

[24:57] Please, guard against your scars.

[24:59] With the Skarsgård.

[25:00] He's the potential director for a concert film of her tour.

[25:03] She just wants someone to document the show because she's got the creative side sorted with her friend, Celeste.

[25:08] But he thinks of himself more as an auteur, wants more control.

[25:12] And also we learned that Charlie doesn't like him because of his previous sexist work that she's seen.

[25:19] And his work is not cool, according to her.

[25:22] But all the people at the label are like, oh, he's the best.

[25:25] He's the best.

[25:26] We've got to have him.

[25:26] He's amazing.

[25:28] And he does wear shirts with, like, really open collars and a lot of, like, beaded jewelry.

[25:34] Yeah, wooden beads.

[25:34] He's one of these guys who presents himself as a kind of like calm, hey, let's all collaborate, let's hear each other out type guy.

[25:43] But really he is a dominating tyrant beneath that.

[25:46] Monster, yeah.

[25:46] Who has a very specific idea of kind of fake brat, you could say, like faux rebellion that is not the real rebellion that Charlie is putting out there.

[25:56] Yeah.

[25:57] You know what's interesting about – he always comes off as sinister.

[26:01] Like can you think of any role he's – like it's –

[26:04] just interesting. He's so handsome.

[26:07] Now I gotta look it up.

[26:09] Yeah, I mean, even in movies that I love him in,

[26:11] he is sinister. Yeah, of course.

[26:13] He has a sinister effect.

[26:15] I mean, I guess the point of

[26:17] I'm like his brother who looks like a normal

[26:19] monster. I think the point,

[26:21] I guess part of the point of... Wait, who's his brother?

[26:22] I know his dad. Bill Skarsgård played

[26:25] Pennywise.

[26:27] And Nosferatu, right?

[26:29] And Nosferatu? Yeah.

[26:31] I guess part of the thing

[26:32] in Murderbot is where... I mean, I didn't see

[26:34] The third time I tried to do this sentence, I'm just going to give up on it because apparently—

[26:38] No, no, Dan, tell us something about Alexander Skarsgård.

[26:41] No, I mean, like, in Murderbot, like, he is, like, likable, but that's only because we know inside his head.

[26:46] Everyone around him thinks he's sinister.

[26:48] And he's a Murderbot, yeah.

[26:50] Yeah.

[26:50] Well, that's—it's just a fun name you gave him.

[26:53] I mean, he's a robot that kills people.

[26:56] I mean, he's a security robot.

[26:57] He's doing it for the benefit of the—

[26:59] No, he's being naive, Dan.

[27:00] Okay.

[27:02] He's like property over people.

[27:03] yeah that's exactly what classic dan sentiment um uh i mean he was raised by a priest who made

[27:10] an infomaniac try to have sex anyone infomaniac you see that movie long movie

[27:19] i think i watched part one and i'm like well that's it i've already i've already blasted i

[27:28] don't need to watch you never saw the part where he tried to make her have sex with him

[27:32] And she killed him.

[27:34] Maybe we should edit that out.

[27:35] Uh-oh.

[27:35] Yeah, let's edit out the spoilers for now.

[27:39] I was just about to watch it.

[27:42] This is when Kate Berlant shows up as her makeup artist.

[27:46] I was happy to see her, but, again, I didn't.

[27:47] Like, what did she do that you guys were laughing at?

[27:49] No, they don't really give her much to do.

[27:50] She's just kind of hovering around the edges and throwing in gags every now and then, you know.

[27:55] And here's.

[27:57] I will say this.

[27:58] It's true that her performance is – it's a heightened version of a makeup artist, but it's a de-heightened version of what Cate Berlant usually does.

[28:06] So it's like everything is kind of a little bit calmer and less exaggerated than you think it's going to be.

[28:11] Do you think it – what do you think the hierarchy was between like you get to play yourself.

[28:20] You have to play a character.

[28:21] I wonder that often.

[28:22] I wonder that often in those types of things, like how it feels to be like, I guess I'm not famous enough to play myself in this thing.

[28:30] Or is it better?

[28:31] You know what?

[28:31] I don't have to figure out what myself is in this and be a cameo.

[28:35] Who am I?

[28:36] I'm playing a real character.

[28:37] I've tried to figure that out in therapy for so long, and now I'm expected to do it for a movie?

[28:42] Maybe this movie isn't the place for me to figure out my true identity.

[28:46] They'll never guess my secret identity.

[28:49] This is where we get more into the credit card, actually.

[28:53] We get the queer demographic stuff, but also we learn this is important,

[28:57] that if you sign up for this card, you'll get tickets to Charlie's concert.

[29:02] But she's dubious about promoting a credit card.

[29:06] You know, it doesn't feel like it's not for a brat.

[29:08] Yeah, it ain't a brat.

[29:10] A brat would steal things.

[29:11] A brat wouldn't, you know, start an account so that you can then pay things off over time.

[29:16] A brat might rack up a lot of credit card debt and then never pay it.

[29:20] Oh, great business model for a brat.

[29:22] Not a great business model for a credit card, as we'll find.

[29:25] This isn't a great bank.

[29:26] No, it's not.

[29:27] How did brats –

[29:27] Unlike all those great banks out there.

[29:31] This is one of the good ones.

[29:33] Now, the brats –

[29:34] Carlton Banks.

[29:35] The movie –

[29:36] Sure.

[29:37] Brats.

[29:39] The banks of the Suwannee River?

[29:40] Yeah, Dan, what?

[29:41] How do you think they fared during brat summer?

[29:43] Who?

[29:44] The brats.

[29:45] I think they were very busy.

[29:46] Yeah, yeah.

[29:47] I think they were annoyed that someone was taking their style,

[29:50] but they were busy doing brat stuff.

[29:51] They've been doing this for a certain amount of time.

[29:54] So even though they're getting booked for more events,

[29:58] there's a part of them where they make these passive-aggressive comments like,

[30:01] oh, for me, it's always brat summer.

[30:03] Yeah.

[30:04] I mean, it was brat year for us for a long time.

[30:07] Does she have bratitude?

[30:08] I'm not really sure.

[30:10] You've got a summer.

[30:11] We're brat four seasons long.

[30:14] OK, well, the whole I have a note here is just saying that the a lot of the movie is just for having vaguely annoying interactions where she has to sort of endure microaggressions from people who like there's a driver who looks her up, doesn't know who she is, looks up a video like it's like, oh, you look way different here or whatever.

[30:33] There's a lot of that that I'm sure is drawn from life, but I'm not going to get into every little thing that happens.

[30:40] Sure. Well, it's not like you're on some river patrol or anything.

[30:42] I mean, I'm doing the best I can, Elliot.

[30:44] You're just as God made you, yeah.

[30:47] Yeah, this is where Rachel Sennett shows up, doesn't do much.

[30:52] They do drugs in the bathroom.

[30:54] Yeah.

[30:55] Tour rehearsals start.

[30:57] Johannes is there with his silent...

[30:58] Wait, can I...

[30:58] Because we haven't mentioned her appearances on Colbert.

[31:02] Okay.

[31:02] There's a lot of her on Colbert in this movie.

[31:04] Yeah, he's like one of the main characters.

[31:06] This feels like this was shot for the movie.

[31:08] This wasn't an actual appearance.

[31:10] There's certainly monologue jokes later that he tells about fictional events from the movie,

[31:14] and so that was certainly shot for the movie.

[31:16] It would have really confused the audience.

[31:17] Where he leaned into more of like a Jay Leno, like, role.

[31:21] Because he keeps saying, do you see this?

[31:22] Do you hear about this?

[31:23] Do you see this?

[31:23] And I'm like, Stephen's voice doesn't sound like that.

[31:24] Yeah, and he's fucking chomping on Doritos.

[31:26] Do you think that Jay Leno's like...

[31:27] Why is he showing funny headlines?

[31:28] I don't understand.

[31:29] Do you think Jay Leno's like, I can still do this, guys.

[31:32] I know I'm not on television anymore,

[31:34] but if you want me to do some monologue jokes about something...

[31:36] I'm sure they came to ask him to do it,

[31:37] and he could not hear them over the sound of the engine

[31:39] he was revving in his antique car.

[31:41] So he was like, what?

[31:42] I can't hear you.

[31:43] Vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom.

[31:45] Wait, do you guys remember when John did that for that movie about, like, the gopher puppet that was running for president?

[31:51] He did it a couple.

[31:52] There was the one he did for The Beaver.

[31:54] The Beaver.

[31:54] The movie that Jodie Foster directed.

[31:56] Yeah.

[31:56] And there's one he did for Man of Steel, which I wrote that bit.

[32:00] And what they told us the movie was about was not what the movie turned out to be about.

[32:05] So that scene was in the—

[32:07] Man of Steel?

[32:07] Yeah, yeah, the Superman movie.

[32:08] The Superman movie?

[32:09] Okay.

[32:09] It didn't end up in the finished movie, but it was on the DVD.

[32:11] And I remember someone being like, there's this thing on the DVD where Jon Stewart's making these jokes about Superman saying he's not American, but that doesn't happen in the movie.

[32:17] It's like, well, that's what they told us was going to happen in the movie when they told us to write these jokes about Superman.

[32:22] But yeah, Jon did that a couple times.

[32:24] And so Stephen's turn to do it this time.

[32:27] Well, but I bring it up because I felt like this her moment on Colbert the moment illuminated to me that she's not a very good actress, which is kind of weird that she's in so many movies right now because she's not a very good actress.

[32:45] I haven't I haven't seen this Gregor Rocky movie, but I hear good things about her performance in that.

[32:50] Is this the one where she like doesn't like her boyfriend and then she gets into like a girl or something?

[32:56] That's a different one.

[32:57] That's Eruption or whatever.

[32:59] Oh, okay.

[33:00] Oh, and then Vesuvius erupts.

[33:01] Yeah, yeah.

[33:02] Yeah, you're talking about I Want Your Sex, the new Gregor Rock.

[33:05] I am talking about I Want Your Sex.

[33:07] Yeah, she was also in Faces of Death.

[33:11] Oh, was she?

[33:11] I saw that.

[33:12] Yeah, she's like the co-worker.

[33:12] Yeah, she was one of the faces.

[33:14] Oh.

[33:15] Hey.

[33:16] What?

[33:16] It's not okay.

[33:20] How is she taking offense about it?

[33:21] I'm like, I'm not even sure what you're taking offense at.

[33:23] Okay, she was death.

[33:24] There's only two things in that title.

[33:26] I can make a joke off of.

[33:28] I think in, I don't know,

[33:30] because I think when she's in the Colbert sections,

[33:32] it's like she's playing someone

[33:34] who is uncomfortable in that situation.

[33:37] She's not doing it very well.

[33:38] I guess.

[33:39] She's like, this is what she does.

[33:42] Well, I just, I don't know.

[33:51] I mean, you nailed her accent.

[33:52] You nailed her accent.

[33:53] It was one of those things where when they're showing-

[33:55] Alex clips that part because there's a lot of face acting that I don't think translates to it.

[33:59] I want to see more.

[34:00] Hallie, can you do more of your impression of Charlie XCX's impression of herself?

[34:05] Oh, Stephen.

[34:10] I'm not your puppet.

[34:12] I'm not your monkey.

[34:13] I'm just showing you.

[34:14] That's what I should have said earlier.

[34:16] To you, Hallie.

[34:17] But there's something about her hesitancy in answering his question where I'm like,

[34:23] they probably would have just clipped this.

[34:24] they wouldn't have put this in the episode

[34:26] because it's not good.

[34:27] No, probably not.

[34:28] Well, maybe we're watching the outtakes.

[34:30] It's not like we don't show someone

[34:32] flip-turned on the TV.

[34:33] Oh, Charlie's on the Colbert Report tonight.

[34:36] He's on the late show tonight.

[34:38] I'll take a look.

[34:38] As a cockney chimney sweep,

[34:40] I love nothing more than Charlie XCX, I does.

[34:43] Well, after I spend a rough day

[34:45] sweeping out the chimps of London,

[34:47] I just like to go home

[34:49] and watch a little bit of Colbert on the old telly.

[34:52] He really sucks at titra.

[34:54] Local girl Charlie 1010 is going to be on the show.

[34:58] I guess I'll watch it.

[35:00] Turns it on.

[35:01] Then we see the scene.

[35:02] Oh, she seems right not comfortable on the couch.

[35:06] Yeah.

[35:08] I'm surprised.

[35:09] Drinking a pint of bitter and swapping down some baked beans or whatever they eat over there.

[35:14] I'll watch through till the second desk bit.

[35:15] Then I'll probably turn it off and get some rest because I've got to be up early

[35:19] So I can sweep through those chimps and clean off the skies of London

[35:24] because everything I clean out of that chimney isn't going to end up in the air above me.

[35:28] I feel like I'm making the heavens clean with my work.

[35:33] Wow.

[35:34] I'm doing God's work.

[35:35] I am in these chimps.

[35:36] I am constantly amazed by how many British fans we have considering.

[35:42] We're basically committing hate crimes against them all the time.

[35:45] I want to watch a movie about that guy.

[35:47] Yeah.

[35:48] I'll go do our thing.

[35:49] The queen's up there, and I want it to be clean for her.

[35:52] I don't want smoke going up in mom's face up there as an angel.

[35:59] Wow, a royalist.

[36:00] I wonder who won that.

[36:01] Are you kidding?

[36:02] They love the royals.

[36:04] Yeah.

[36:04] The poorer you are often, the more you love the royalty above you,

[36:08] because it makes it special, you know?

[36:10] Yeah.

[36:11] Pardon me.

[36:12] So tour rehearsals start.

[36:14] Johannes is there with his assistant who never says anything and makes Charlie very flustered.

[36:20] He's irritating by being very, like, helpful in quotes.

[36:24] And I have to say, I found his character—

[36:26] Intrusive. He's being very intrusive.

[36:27] Yeah, I found his character kind of confusing because he's set up as someone whose material over-sexualizes women.

[36:34] But then the first thing he is doing is like, we have to make this more family-friendly.

[36:37] Like, that's his thing?

[36:38] It is very unclear.

[36:40] I agree that there's a lack of clarity and consistency

[36:43] in what this character is supposed to be trying to do

[36:45] to Charlie's show.

[36:46] Yeah.

[36:47] Because he'll be like,

[36:48] we've got to make it more family-friendly.

[36:49] We can't have this be offensive for kids.

[36:51] Then he's like,

[36:52] we need you to get inside a giant cigarette lighter

[36:54] and light an enormous cigarette.

[36:55] No, he's just...

[36:55] This is all references to Taylor Swift.

[36:58] He's just trying to turn her concert into the era of Swift.

[37:01] See, this is a layer of meaning that I am not privy to.

[37:04] I needed the annotations for this movie.

[37:06] And I saw...

[37:06] Is that why she's wearing that kind of spangly outfit?

[37:09] Yes.

[37:09] Oh, okay.

[37:09] And the dancers, all the dancers, that's like actual dances that Taylor Swift's backup dancers do.

[37:15] And so the scene where she gets married in Madison Square Garden and inconveniences an entire city, that was based on Taylor Swift.

[37:22] Didn't even register.

[37:25] What about the part where she dates Jake Gyllenhaal and then writes a song about it?

[37:29] That too.

[37:31] So Charlie gets overwhelmed.

[37:33] What about the part where she has a feud with Kanye West?

[37:37] Charlie gets overwhelmed.

[37:38] She decides to go to Ibiza after all, back at rehearsals.

[37:42] Johannes and Celeste clash over.

[37:44] Wait, you didn't mention that she was offered to go to Ibiza previously and said no.

[37:50] Because you just said after all, so I wanted to make sure.

[37:53] Yeah, yeah.

[37:53] Well, I did.

[37:54] Alex, go back and add that.

[37:56] No, I said it.

[37:57] I just was also, there's a lot of people.

[37:59] Hallie, you do it, but do it as Dan so that Alex can go back and add it.

[38:02] So be Dan saying.

[38:03] Okay, so then.

[38:04] Alex, go find the part where I said it and loop it here.

[38:07] Yeah, yeah.

[38:08] Just so we can see that was a side effect of being talked over constantly.

[38:12] She's offered a thing.

[38:16] In this part, she gets offered to go to Ibiza.

[38:21] No, that's pretty good.

[38:22] Yeah, that's pretty close.

[38:24] So when you see Jolly XCX, she gets the chance to go to Ibiza, but she don't go to it, you know?

[38:29] That's what I sound like.

[38:30] Yeah, that's you, yeah.

[38:32] That's pitch perfect.

[38:34] That's what they sounded like in the movie, pitch perfect, yeah.

[38:38] We're just a cappella-ing over here.

[38:41] Anyway, so she's like sort of an absentee pop star in charge,

[38:48] which allows Johannes to wrest more control from Celeste

[38:52] while she's away.

[38:55] Johannes meets with Tammy from the label

[38:57] to sort of fully take over the concert.

[38:59] Meanwhile, Charlie, on vacation,

[39:02] gets a holistic facial from a woman named Maria

[39:06] who tells her that she's totally closed in the heart

[39:08] and her skin has no elasticity

[39:10] and is telling her to slow down.

[39:12] And when Charlie sort of gently disagrees

[39:14] with what she's saying,

[39:16] Maria abruptly says she cannot treat her,

[39:18] but prescribes a bunch of expensive skin treatments.

[39:21] And when Charlie tries to pay for those treatments

[39:24] with her Brett credit card,

[39:26] it is ominously declined.

[39:28] Foreshadowing.

[39:28] And she also runs into, what, a Kardashian?

[39:30] She runs into Kylie Jenner.

[39:32] Hold on, before we get to Kylie,

[39:35] But isn't that woman who plays the esthetician, isn't she like someone famous?

[39:41] She seemed like it, but I didn't recognize her.

[39:42] I think she's like a Latin American soap opera actress or something.

[39:47] Oh, okay.

[39:48] I don't know that.

[39:49] I might be wrong.

[39:50] Was that Zsuzsa?

[39:52] Yeah, that's probably Zsuzsa.

[39:55] No, she would never do that.

[39:55] She's got a heart as big as the world.

[39:59] Let's look it up.

[40:00] Yeah, look it up.

[40:01] Look it up.

[40:01] Because it seems like a character that would be a...

[40:05] It's a perfect cameo.

[40:07] Cameo, but...

[40:09] I mean, if there's a version of this

[40:11] where that part is Kate McKinnon,

[40:12] which it obviously wasn't, but that's, you know...

[40:15] As Weird Barbie.

[40:17] Yes, exactly.

[40:18] I mean, every character she plays is basically Weird Barbie.

[40:22] I don't know how to pronounce his last name.

[40:25] Ariel Dombasale?

[40:28] Okay, look at her credits.

[40:29] An American-born French singer, actress, director.

[40:32] She was in Eric Rohmer's Pauline at the Beach.

[40:36] Oh, okay.

[40:38] She's, let's see.

[40:40] Oh, I was wrong.

[40:40] Roman Polanski, Tess.

[40:42] No, just an actress, turns out.

[40:44] Yeah.

[40:45] Just, do you know how hard it is to show up every day on set?

[40:52] It's five o'clock in the morning.

[40:54] You've been up for three hours in a makeup chair.

[40:56] Wow.

[40:57] That woman is 17 years old.

[40:59] Do you know how much makeup she had to go through?

[41:02] Amazing.

[41:03] Yeah.

[41:04] She's like the guy who played Beethoven in the Beethoven movies.

[41:07] He was in the makeup chair for 10 hours to look like a dog.

[41:09] A dog.

[41:11] Not the guy who played Beethoven in Immortal Beloved.

[41:14] Every morning, every bone in his body was broken and reshaped to play that dog.

[41:18] To be a dog, yeah.

[41:20] They had to hand glue each of those hairs.

[41:25] She, uh...

[41:26] Inspiring the movie Tusk.

[41:28] Charlie.

[41:29] But not the song Tusk.

[41:31] Oh, it was the album.

[41:33] So it didn't inspire the album Tusk.

[41:34] But not the song.

[41:36] Everything on the album except for the titular song.

[41:41] Don't say you're a dog now.

[41:47] Well, a dog would be too afraid of that band that comes in, that marching band.

[41:51] Yeah, they're very afraid.

[41:52] What's a dog doing at that stadium anyway, you know?

[41:55] Okay.

[41:56] Well, anyway, Charlie is freaked and upset, runs into Kylie Jenner at the spa, confesses to her that a lot of people have been telling her to slow down.

[42:04] Maybe, like, she should listen to them.

[42:05] And Kylie's like, no.

[42:07] That's when you have to go even harder.

[42:09] And so she plays like a devil on your shoulder type figure.

[42:12] Exactly.

[42:13] And maybe this shows the difference between my system of values and the pop world.

[42:17] Whatever Kylie Jenner tells me to do, I'm doing the opposite of that.

[42:21] That is not going to be the right advice.

[42:24] What do you think, Kylie?

[42:25] You've got to keep going harder.

[42:26] You've got to force that brat down their throat.

[42:28] She's like, oh, I guess I have to – she's like, isn't Johanna's the best?

[42:31] She's like, oh, I think I've got to have him.

[42:32] I've got to have him.

[42:33] Well, I liked that Kylie Jenner was willing to make fun of herself for this.

[42:39] I appreciated that.

[42:40] I'm not sure she knows she's doing that.

[42:42] I think she – well, so I feel like this is actually the most I've ever heard Kylie Jenner speak, and I've watched all of the Kardashian reality shows.

[42:51] So I – but what I did like about this scene was the reason why I reacted to the Faces of Death joke, full disclosure, is one of the things I like best about Charli XCX is that she's kind of ugly and she, like, lets herself be.

[43:07] I think that's really –

[43:10] She's not ugly, but I like that she's, like, a mess.

[43:13] She's a pop star, not –

[43:16] She is a very pretty girl, but she's, like, kind of a mess, and I like that she's kind of a mess.

[43:20] And it was she's she's especially harried in this particular scene where and while Kylie Jenner will not let a hair be out of place, like she literally looks like she's like when the camera turns to her, it's specially rubbed with Vaseline.

[43:38] And then when it goes back to Charlie, it's like in hyper focus.

[43:42] But I appreciated the like the willingness to be juxtaposed to this like cyborg.

[43:48] I think that no, that's a good point.

[43:49] And I think she is shot unflatteringly throughout the entire movie.

[43:54] And it did come across really strong, like you're saying, that when Kylie Jenner is on screen, they are not doing that.

[43:59] She has to look perfectly coiffed and made up.

[44:02] And it does help emphasize that Charlie is, like, totally at a loss and feels like a mess at that moment.

[44:08] So, yeah, that was good.

[44:09] This brings something to mind.

[44:11] This is not about, like—

[44:13] For anyone, when Halle referred to Charlie XCX as, quote, hideously ugly, a monster.

[44:19] No, I don't think she's ugly.

[44:20] We don't agree with that.

[44:21] I love her.

[44:21] I think I like that she's willing to be imperfect.

[44:26] When she said, I turned on the movie and thought I was watching Gremlins.

[44:29] That is not the way to do it.

[44:30] Okay, well then now I can't make my Lady Gremlin comment about that.

[44:33] Because that's literally how she looks at the end when they put her in the green.

[44:35] When she's got all that weird makeup all around her eyes.

[44:37] No, but I understand what you mean in the absurd scale of like Hollywood and pop stars

[44:44] and like not being able to have a hair out of place.

[44:46] Like she's not doing that.

[44:48] But, and adjacent, not about looks, but, like, she's willing to, like, show herself in an unflattering light in this movie a lot of the time.

[44:57] Like, even, like, sort of borderline villainous, like, the way she treats people towards the end.

[45:03] When she kills that child.

[45:04] Yeah.

[45:04] To get a good wind for the concert, yeah.

[45:07] We haven't even talked about Celeste.

[45:09] Yeah, we barely talked about Celeste.

[45:11] We've talked about it a little bit, but let me get to the end of what I'm saying.

[45:14] Barely.

[45:14] Barely, yeah.

[45:15] I said, Alex, go back and loop the parts that I said Celeste.

[45:19] Celeste has been mentioned, but we don't really know who she is or what's going on.

[45:22] We know about Ibiza.

[45:22] Well, Mama Celeste created a pizza brand so you can get frozen pizzas from her.

[45:29] And Celeste is also a hippo in children's books, right?

[45:33] Wow.

[45:34] This woman is very, okay.

[45:36] Again, okay.

[45:37] Not an appearance thing, just a name thing.

[45:39] Just to, you know, for the listener who perhaps heard me start a sentence and is wondering what the point was.

[45:45] David Breath, yeah.

[45:46] Yeah, yeah, they've been huge on the edge of their seats, yeah.

[45:49] Look how cool Stuart looks right now.

[45:54] Just hanging out with my buddy Dan.

[45:56] No, Dan, go ahead.

[45:57] Dan, why don't you finish that sentence?

[45:59] And now, listeners, finally, after all that wait,

[46:03] you get to hear the end of Dan's sentence.

[46:06] Let's tune in.

[46:07] I also thought it was funny when Kylie Jenner showed up,

[46:10] and they're in a spa together,

[46:11] and she specifically has her robe open,

[46:14] And I'm like, who walks around with their robe open?

[46:16] Oh, somebody wants to show off their body-oddy-oddy.

[46:19] Exactly, yes.

[46:21] Dan, continue.

[46:22] And now, without further ado, the rest of Dan's time.

[46:25] No, I respect her willingness to be like,

[46:28] to make her own movie where she doesn't always, like,

[46:31] come off the best.

[46:33] But I also feel like it's a bit weirdly calibrated

[46:38] because she never, like, pushes her, like,

[46:42] negative qualities far enough again to make it funny it feels like a lot of the movie is like

[46:48] her complaining about the world she's in and i understand like it's it's it's hard to be under

[46:56] that much pressure but as an outsider like audience member it is also about that no but

[47:02] it is also like you don't come off like well necessarily in a larger sense of like okay well

[47:08] you know like it like as an audience member it is hard to be like oh poor you the whole time

[47:12] yes i think i think it's you're right that it's it's at first it was hard for me to understand

[47:16] what is this movie about is she going to be a joke no she's not it is about the pressures that

[47:21] she's under and i think there were i'll spoil a little bit of my final judgments there were

[47:26] asked i've never been in her situation where i'm a pop star and stuff like that but there

[47:29] were aspects of this i know i know i lied to you which gives me an idea there there were aspects

[47:35] the movie that did remind me of experiences i have had in professional projects where you try to go

[47:41] with the flow and you end up in a situation that is not a good situation for you and so i related

[47:46] to that this podcast yeah this podcast but at the same time it is hard to sympathize with it's hard

[47:52] to feel that pity for the character who at a moment's notice can run off to go to a spa in

[47:56] abiza and then it does make her problems a little worse but like it's a it's a there's a little bit

[48:02] of like poor little rich kid in it which is hard a hard but i think it's self i think that's self

[48:06] aware like she i don't think like that she can run off to go to ibiza is like not i don't know

[48:14] i agree that it's self-aware i just don't think it's calibrated quite right to make it successful

[48:20] in the movie uh the way it's done i don't know ellie you look like you're about to say something

[48:25] that's why i paused but i only look like i'm only always about to say something but it's gonna be

[48:29] about, it's going to be another chimney sweep thing, so we don't need

[48:31] to go into that. So, Charlie Freaks.

[48:33] Oh, I guess I'll just, you know,

[48:35] when you're sweeping the chimps,

[48:37] the ash gets all in your pores, the only thing

[48:39] you can do, you've got to go to a breather,

[48:41] go to the spa, sweat it out.

[48:43] Just sweat it out your pores.

[48:48] Ironically, they put

[48:49] a scrub on you that's full of

[48:51] charcoal.

[48:53] They're doing a charcoal scrub on me?

[48:55] Oh, don't worry, mate. Don't worry, love. I've got the

[48:57] charcoal. It's in me body.

[48:59] um she freaks yeah after talking to uh kylie and somehow this means that she throws all of her

[49:09] support behind behind whatever johannes wants johannes yeah didn't really track for me but

[49:15] whatever i'll take it in the movie no she's she's feeling at that moment like the she looks at kylie

[49:19] a picture of success and she's like uh i guess that's what i gotta do i don't really i'm so

[49:24] unmoored that i don't really i can't figure out what i want for myself so i guess i'll just do

[49:28] the thing that everyone's telling me I should do.

[49:31] It's a desperation act.

[49:33] She posts about the brat card

[49:34] to make sure she has the money to fund

[49:36] his vision of the tour.

[49:38] She comes back home to see all the changes

[49:40] that Johannes has made to the show, including

[49:42] this is a joke that

[49:44] did work for me, changing

[49:46] the iconic green brat background

[49:48] because it was too pukey.

[49:50] I found that kind of funny.

[49:52] And altering the font of

[49:54] the cover.

[49:56] Meanwhile, Celeste

[49:58] is fired from the show even though she seems

[50:00] to be the only one concerned with Charlie's

[50:02] mental state and

[50:04] artistic vision. So Celeste

[50:06] has been her creative partner

[50:08] up to this point and so it's been

[50:10] Celeste versus Johannes. What does

[50:12] Charlie want? What's right for the show?

[50:14] And Charlie has already promised Celeste

[50:16] I will send an email out that says

[50:18] no, listen to Celeste. She's in charge

[50:20] but she's so frenzied she doesn't

[50:22] send that email out. Instead she just posts

[50:24] about the brat card, a card that gets you

[50:26] Yeah, so Celeste gets fired.

[50:28] She's just got more time to go boating with Julie now.

[50:31] So that was brilliant.

[50:32] If only, what a delightful movie that is.

[50:34] Oh man, you had that one fucking locked and loaded.

[50:36] He's been waiting for the right moment.

[50:38] I don't get it, I don't get it.

[50:40] What is it?

[50:41] There's a movie called Celeste and Julie Go Boating.

[50:43] It's really wonderful.

[50:44] It's a really good movie.

[50:45] Charlie gets more and more unhappy with the show,

[50:47] which has added more conventionally flashy pop star costumes

[50:50] and has her flying around on wires.

[50:53] But I have to say, honestly, like as someone-

[50:55] Who loves Peter Pan.

[50:56] But as someone who is otherwise unfamiliar with Charlie XCX, like I think that in the context of just watching the movie, a problem I had was I didn't get a clear enough idea of what her original aesthetic was to be like this is a betrayal of it.

[51:11] Like it just looked like normal like rock concert stuff.

[51:14] You could have used a little more prep in the early scenes.

[51:16] I think that might have helped because I think it's something that would probably – like Hallie says, she's picking up that this is like specifically Taylor Swift stuff.

[51:22] But, like, it reminds me of, like, sometimes I'll play songs from, you know, two metal bands that sound very different to me.

[51:29] And my wife will be like, was that the same band?

[51:32] I'm like, what?

[51:33] They sound completely different.

[51:35] I think this would play great for, like, fans.

[51:39] But, you know, as someone who didn't have the grounding in it, I'm like, why is this a problem?

[51:43] You didn't think that, like, because I actually don't know that much about Charlie.

[51:47] But I felt like all of the earlier stuff of like the really heavy, you know, the like the strobe lights, the like really heavy like beat.

[52:00] It's a dance club aesthetic.

[52:02] It's like a little bit, it's a little bit trashy.

[52:05] It's like a little bit lo-fi.

[52:08] We see very little of it, though.

[52:10] But it's not just part of, it's not just in the literal moments where they're rehearsing.

[52:13] It's also the style of the movie.

[52:16] Yeah.

[52:16] yeah i i don't know like it didn't do it for you it didn't do it it was not a big contrast

[52:22] it seemed like at one he has like the word bitch up on stage but with like an ampersand instead of

[52:26] an h or something and i'm like i don't know i don't know that that's i don't know how different

[52:30] that is from before i guess they take out the cocaine imagery and replace it with cigarette

[52:33] imagery you know so um just can i mention something so we're talking about uh you know

[52:40] talking about costuming and uh choreography this week i finally got to go see cats the

[52:45] Angelical Ball.

[52:46] Oh, I heard it's great.

[52:48] Dan, you got to see that as well, right?

[52:50] As long-time listeners would know,

[52:52] we all have a pretty deep connection

[52:54] to the work of cats.

[52:57] The work of cats?

[52:58] Yeah, the work comma of cats.

[53:02] Can you see the back of my sofa?

[53:04] Yeah.

[53:05] That's the work of cats.

[53:06] Wow, your cats are nice.

[53:08] Yeah.

[53:09] So between, you know,

[53:11] we've been long experiencers of cats,

[53:15] either as a musical or as a movie.

[53:18] I think we've all seen the movie.

[53:19] Oregon as Pets.

[53:21] Yep.

[53:22] Speaking as something that creates dander

[53:24] that my body erroneously treats as an immune system threat.

[53:30] So getting to see Cats, the Jellicle Ball,

[53:33] which is taking the musical Cats,

[53:36] but interpreting it through the lens of ballroom culture.

[53:40] It was really magical.

[53:42] Like in Strictly Ballroom.

[53:43] And it was this moment of feeling, watching this work and being like,

[53:47] this feels like the original intention of Cats.

[53:50] Like this, finally this is connecting with me in a deeper level.

[53:54] But I have to say, one of the most important moments of the show was when,

[53:58] it's incredible, it's only on for a couple more days,

[54:00] if somehow you can go see it.

[54:02] And by the time this is airing, there's no way, it's already gone.

[54:04] You missed it. You missed your chance.

[54:05] You missed it. It didn't happen.

[54:07] But I will say there's...

[54:07] Like tears in the rain, sea beams glittering off Alpha Centauri.

[54:10] In the first half of the show, they bring up some celebrity audience members

[54:15] to come up and be judges.

[54:17] Dan, do you remember who were the celebrities?

[54:20] It was Neil Patrick Harris, and I believe it was his husband who was also there.

[54:24] Patrick Harris.

[54:25] You know, like an actor or a producer or something.

[54:28] Did you say Neil Patrick Harris, Pally?

[54:30] Yeah, Cat Tricks.

[54:32] So at my show, one of the judges—

[54:34] At Cat Hockey, that's what they get is Cat Tricks.

[54:37] Okay, Stuart, at your show.

[54:38] At the show that I went to, one of the performers was, or one of the judges was actor Terrence Mann,

[54:46] who played the original Rum Tum Tugger in the Broadway production.

[54:49] But also, he played the alien bounty hunter Ugg, also known as Johnny Steel from the Critters franchise.

[54:57] So, of course, when he came up on stage, I audibly shouted, oh, shit!

[55:00] Which is okay, because this is an audience participation friendly show.

[55:05] And Charlene's like, who's that?

[55:06] I'm like, oh, you don't want to know.

[55:07] We got to go watch Critters tonight.

[55:09] Yeah, and then the whole time during intermission,

[55:11] I'm like, I want to go up and talk to him,

[55:12] but there's a really long line.

[55:14] You should have done it.

[55:15] You should have done it, Stuart.

[55:20] I'm glad that we got this story,

[55:21] so I'm not even going to ask how it relates to the movie.

[55:24] I merely just want to talk about it.

[55:26] Okay, that's worth it.

[55:27] Okay.

[55:27] Costumes.

[55:29] Yeah, costumes and choreography as well.

[55:31] Yeah, yeah.

[55:32] Tammy Burstyn, Roseanne Arquette.

[55:34] Tammy and the T-Rex?

[55:35] Yeah.

[55:37] But C-Rex is her enforcer.

[55:39] Oh, I see.

[55:41] Apparently, Charlie's brat card post inaccurately represented the product, which both voided the deal and also the bank has been bankrupted from fans signing up for the free tickets and then bailing, which is something that like it wasn't initially very clear to me.

[55:55] I feel like this movie, what little plot it has, it imparts in scenes where people yell at each other with a lot of overlapping dialogue and it happens very fast.

[56:06] And I'm like, okay, I guess it doesn't matter.

[56:08] Yeah, I didn't understand this idea.

[56:09] It does feel like the thing that you would expect to have happen with this promotion.

[56:13] Because it does happen all the time that people sign up for credit cards and then cancel them if they've gotten the bonus that they want from it.

[56:20] But anyway, this is like, Elliot says angrily, somebody think of the banks.

[56:25] Somebody think of it, yeah.

[56:26] Well, when I issued my credit card, that's exactly what people did, you know.

[56:30] Charlie has precipitated a major financial disaster.

[56:34] It's pretty brat, honestly.

[56:36] montage of new...

[56:37] Well, if there was any moral

[56:40] hazard, it would be pretty

[56:42] brat, but you know, these banks are just going to be bailed out.

[56:44] But this one doesn't get bailed out, Dan. It goes

[56:46] bankrupt and it shuts down.

[56:49] That's how you know it's a fantasy.

[56:50] It's kind of unclear

[56:51] because at first you see

[56:54] a lot of reactions. It's a big montage of media

[56:56] reactions. And at first the fans are like, oh,

[56:58] hey, Charlie, she took all my money or

[57:00] something like that. But then it's like, but yeah, what

[57:02] would be more brat than setting up a credit card?

[57:04] Everyone gets free tickets and then the bank

[57:06] it's destroyed. But people kind of thought

[57:08] it was cool. Yeah, but then at the end

[57:10] they're like, fans think it's kind of cool, but we

[57:12] see like sad videos of

[57:14] Charlie former fans being like, I don't

[57:16] like her anymore. And I'm like, I don't,

[57:18] that was the part where I was like, I'm unclear

[57:20] how I'm supposed to read the

[57:22] world's reaction to what

[57:24] happened. Maybe it's not

[57:25] tied up in a neat bow for you.

[57:28] Maybe the world is a little more

[57:29] textured. There's a little more

[57:31] friction. It's a little more complicated.

[57:33] Sorry, AI didn't write this movie.

[57:36] You're right, yeah, you're right.

[57:37] I'm wrong, yeah.

[57:40] Six days later, her team is trying to do this in the valley.

[57:46] Her team is doing some damage control.

[57:49] Johannes comes in with his lawyer trying to bail on the project

[57:52] because now he doesn't want to be associated with a controversial figure.

[57:55] Again, Skarsgård's funny in this.

[57:57] As like a sniveling, he's like, make a Skarsgård sniveling perfect.

[58:02] I mean, his performance, he captures that kind of guy.

[58:06] Yeah, super well, like fantastically well.

[58:08] You know, we're in New York.

[58:09] We don't get those guys as often.

[58:11] But you guys in L.A., you probably fucking run into them all the time

[58:14] when you're shopping at, what, Erewhon or wherever.

[58:17] Yeah, you've been going to Elliot's under-construction bathroom

[58:20] when I was going to get here.

[58:21] I know, exactly.

[58:23] Every day, I'm just trying to drop off my jars of blood

[58:25] just to help the situation, and I run into one of those guys.

[58:30] Eventually, they all realize that no one has talked to Charlie in a week,

[58:33] and they get worried that she might even be dead.

[58:35] Tim rushes to her home.

[58:36] Tim looks at a framed photo of Princess Diana.

[58:40] Oh, I missed that.

[58:41] That's funny.

[58:41] Yeah, that was a funny moment.

[58:44] Tim rushes to her home to check on her.

[58:45] And for a moment, it looks like she's dead.

[58:47] And I'm like, oh, if this movie actually had the balls to do this.

[58:50] I felt the same thing.

[58:51] I was like, this would be a big swing if the movie had her die as a result of this.

[58:57] But apparently she's been like sleeping for a week.

[58:59] She's taking the break.

[59:00] She needed all movie.

[59:02] Again, I feel like this is a silly.

[59:03] If you're going to do this, and you're not going to kill the character, you should make it funnier.

[59:09] Like, you should ham this moment up a little bit more.

[59:11] She should get up and then she'll go, ah!

[59:13] And then she yells, ah!

[59:14] And then they yell, ah!

[59:15] Why are you yelling?

[59:16] You were yelling.

[59:17] Why were you yelling?

[59:19] And then she also has, like, a piece of bologna stuck to her face.

[59:23] She should have that.

[59:24] Yeah, and somebody's on the phone and they're like, uh, cancel the headstone.

[59:30] Oh, man, we should have punched this up.

[59:33] So they go, stop the presses, stop the presses.

[59:35] And there's a press plant that's printing up the Tribute magazine to Charlie XCX.

[59:39] What are we going to do with these?

[59:45] I thought that was your chimneys working at the press.

[59:48] I'm going to do my solid job at the printing press.

[59:51] It's hard to make ends meet when you're just a chim, you know?

[59:55] Just a chim, chim in a room.

[59:57] There's fewer and fewer chimneys to sweep.

[59:59] People don't use their chimneys so much, so they don't need them swept out.

[1:00:04] I thought I'd be safe due to AI, but then global warming, my old enemy.

[1:00:10] No, global warming's been the best thing we could ask for.

[1:00:12] There's so many fires across Europe, more ash coming into chimneys.

[1:00:16] I'm used to sweeping out chimneys from what comes from the bottom,

[1:00:18] but now it's what comes in from the top.

[1:00:20] But I still got to sweep them.

[1:00:22] The problem is just sort of diegetic, you know, sort of in the air.

[1:00:27] Ash is coming back down.

[1:00:28] You don't want them coming into your house through the chimney.

[1:00:31] No, no, no.

[1:00:32] All you want is Satanic coming into your house.

[1:00:34] There's only one thing you want coming down your chimney,

[1:00:37] and that's the occasional squawk and maybe thought of Christmas.

[1:00:40] Is that right, Jolly Old Elf?

[1:00:43] You want them to come down your chimney so you catch them,

[1:00:46] hold them for ransom.

[1:00:48] Because we're all criminals, we is.

[1:00:51] The accent's getting worse.

[1:00:54] It's getting like Australian.

[1:00:57] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1:00:57] It's been there the whole time.

[1:01:00] And now the Australian listeners are like, no, it's not.

[1:01:04] That's not something that I like.

[1:01:05] No, it's not.

[1:01:06] Yeah.

[1:01:08] It's more of a northern.

[1:01:11] Anyway, she sends Celeste a long apology voicemail

[1:01:15] talking about how she's grown to hate Brad.

[1:01:17] She felt so much pressure to be liked.

[1:01:19] She's decided to go on with the show anyway

[1:01:21] because even though it's not the tour that they did,

[1:01:24] if she does a bad tour,

[1:01:25] It would be the final nail in Bratt's coffin.

[1:01:27] She's got to kill Bratt.

[1:01:29] Yeah.

[1:01:29] But the movie ends with a trailer for the tour, which again, to me.

[1:01:32] I found very funny.

[1:01:34] To me, a normie looked totally fine like a normal pop tour.

[1:01:38] But there are a bunch of good reviews which are supposed to be ironic because it's like no matter what she does, she can't escape it.

[1:01:43] People think it's brilliant.

[1:01:43] I don't know because some of the reviews felt like they were, and I thought this was funny, that they felt like they were clipped to seem positive when they were not actually positive.

[1:01:51] High production value.

[1:01:53] High production cost.

[1:01:54] Overwhelming in high production.

[1:01:55] so this is a very like literal that's all but but that was a reference to the eras tour

[1:02:02] no i didn't know that glossy it's like a super glossy uh live show it has like it says like

[1:02:10] charlie it's like brat and then with like live written over it in cursive and uh they play no

[1:02:17] charlie xex music it's only bittersweet symphony which is also like such a like kind of artistically

[1:02:22] bankrupt song as well

[1:02:24] when they started

[1:02:24] playing that song

[1:02:25] when they started

[1:02:26] playing that song

[1:02:26] I was like

[1:02:27] and then I realized

[1:02:28] it was over the trailer

[1:02:29] and I'm like

[1:02:29] oh that's fine

[1:02:30] that's fine

[1:02:30] well it's just

[1:02:31] the idea of this

[1:02:32] I guess

[1:02:32] maybe that is

[1:02:33] maybe that is a stretch

[1:02:34] but it's just

[1:02:35] playing this song

[1:02:36] that also is like

[1:02:37] mired in complicated

[1:02:38] I would say

[1:02:39] it is a cliche song

[1:02:41] certainly

[1:02:41] it's cliche

[1:02:42] for the most cliche song

[1:02:43] they could

[1:02:44] and also

[1:02:44] they lost

[1:02:45] they lost all the rights

[1:02:46] to it because they

[1:02:47] borrowed so heavily

[1:02:48] from the Rolling Stones

[1:02:49] yeah well that's a separate thing

[1:02:50] oh I didn't know that

[1:02:50] well they sampled

[1:02:51] they sampled

[1:02:53] an orchestral version

[1:02:54] of a Rolling Stones song

[1:02:55] and then the Stones

[1:02:56] came in

[1:02:57] and like

[1:02:57] you hear what I did

[1:02:58] to our song

[1:02:59] they sampled our song

[1:03:01] and then they were

[1:03:02] oh no

[1:03:03] oh we're gonna have

[1:03:05] to sue them

[1:03:06] he was a session

[1:03:08] he was a session drummer

[1:03:09] maybe

[1:03:12] maybe it's just

[1:03:14] cruel intentions

[1:03:14] but I like that song

[1:03:15] in any case

[1:03:16] it's funny that

[1:03:17] they don't even use

[1:03:18] one of her songs

[1:03:19] in the trailer

[1:03:20] for her

[1:03:20] her uh her tour yeah um yeah and okay uh that's that's the story of the moment and like amazon

[1:03:28] is plastered all over everything which is kind of funny yeah um guys it's time for final judgment

[1:03:35] i don't care i love it you know it's time for final judgments uh where we decide whether this

[1:03:41] is a good bad movie a bad bad movie or a movie uh you kind of like um look i i i don't care i i know

[1:03:49] that i love it i know that i sound like desperately like uncool when it comes to like the music side

[1:03:59] of this because i don't have the grounding for it and like not just the music i probably missed

[1:04:06] like a lot of stuff that i might have found funny if i had more context for it i i freely admit that

[1:04:13] I don't – look, I'm a 48-year-old man, so I now –

[1:04:18] He's 50.

[1:04:21] Don't age me up.

[1:04:23] Dan likes to shave a few years off his age.

[1:04:26] No, I'm accurately reporting my age.

[1:04:30] Dan's like a reverse Dorian Gray.

[1:04:32] He gets older, but his painting stays the same.

[1:04:34] Spooky.

[1:04:35] I don't – I don't care.

[1:04:38] Sing it again.

[1:04:39] There's like old paintings, dog.

[1:04:43] Like I've given up on being up on new music, but just judging it as a film, I was like, she seems cool.

[1:04:57] I feel like she needed to work through something for herself.

[1:05:00] I don't begrudge her that, but I didn't need to watch it.

[1:05:04] Like as a movie, I'm like, this is not funny enough to be a comedy.

[1:05:09] It is not telling me.

[1:05:11] They went to his house with a gun and they said, put this movie on.

[1:05:15] While it is clearly, like, mired in, like, reality, it is not telling me something new about that world.

[1:05:23] So I was mostly just kind of—

[1:05:25] It's a moment.

[1:05:25] It's not the moment for you.

[1:05:27] Yeah.

[1:05:27] I was mostly kind of bored by it.

[1:05:29] So it was a bad, bad for me.

[1:05:31] But, Stuart, what do you think?

[1:05:32] Yeah, I think for a mockumentary, I wish it had been a little more heightened and that there was more jokes.

[1:05:39] It's kind of the things we've been talking about quite a bit already.

[1:05:41] the uh one of the weird things that like so a lot of this movie is you know she is being pushed and

[1:05:48] pulled in different directions by the people that work for her or the people that uh the label that

[1:05:53] she works for and i feel like this movie almost feels like it could have come out of that world

[1:05:59] like the idea of like charlie charlie the best way to to extend brat summer is to make a mockumentary

[1:06:05] about it um so I feel like it the but at the same time I do think parts of it are funny uh I think

[1:06:13] Charlie XCX is still cool uh I do not like Kylie Jenner so that was kind of disappointing but I

[1:06:19] guess she's used appropriately um and I like the idea also that you have this character who goes

[1:06:28] through an arc as little as it is and where she eventually lands is no i'm gonna make the

[1:06:35] soulless version uh i'm gonna land on the side of making the soulless version just so it'll be over

[1:06:41] which i don't think i've seen before so i thought that was uh i thought that was a funny choice

[1:06:45] and a kind of interesting one so i guess a movie i kind of liked i think this was not

[1:06:53] a successful movie but it is a movie i kind of liked i i was expecting it and i wasn't really

[1:06:58] expecting anything in particular i didn't know what to make i had no expectations about this

[1:07:02] movie because i didn't know what it was going to be and it was not particularly funny through a

[1:07:07] lot of it but it did i did walk away from it uh previously having no opinion of charlie xcx i now

[1:07:15] have a pretty positive opinion of her as a performer or a personality and so the movie did

[1:07:21] its job as pro charlie propaganda i guess charlie ganda but um but i like i said kind of hinted

[1:07:29] earlier there were times in this movie where i was like oh i is i can relate to the feeling of

[1:07:33] being part of a creative machine that you have a responsibility in but which you feel like you

[1:07:40] can't trust your own instincts or not everybody agrees but they're all trying to act as if they

[1:07:46] do or something like that and so there were times where i was like i kind of i hate that i'm kind of

[1:07:51] like i'm connecting emotionally with this movie just because it's not a movie i expected to so

[1:07:55] it's a movie i kind of like but i don't still don't think it's a very successful movie at what

[1:08:00] it is yeah i mean i think that you know i think there are i think there are a couple moments where

[1:08:04] where you're kind of reminded that the people that are in her orbit all have their own lives

[1:08:11] and jobs and responsibilities

[1:08:12] and everybody's kind of

[1:08:14] the problem is that they don't all line up

[1:08:17] clearly. But there are obviously

[1:08:19] a few monster characters like

[1:08:20] Alexander Skarsgård. There's one moment in it

[1:08:23] that I liked

[1:08:25] that we didn't mention which is so Celeste

[1:08:26] her friend slash creative collaborator

[1:08:29] someone from the

[1:08:30] album label I guess

[1:08:33] there's this like group of guys who

[1:08:34] somehow work for some aspect

[1:08:37] of this and I was never quite sure if it was the label

[1:08:39] or marketing or what. One of them goes up to her

[1:08:41] and is like, oh, Johannes is in charge.

[1:08:42] And she's like, well, then what the fuck am I doing here?

[1:08:44] And he goes, yeah, I don't know.

[1:08:45] What the fuck are you doing here?

[1:08:46] And then she's like, okay, I'll just leave.

[1:08:48] And he walks over to someone else and they go,

[1:08:51] you messed that up.

[1:08:52] And he's like, shut up.

[1:08:54] I really like that.

[1:08:55] The moment where it's the, you know,

[1:08:57] the act two rock bottom moment or whatever,

[1:08:59] where like the heroes part with their friends or whatever,

[1:09:02] that that was not seen as a triumph

[1:09:04] for the bad guy character.

[1:09:06] And instead it was like, he still screwed it up.

[1:09:07] And I was like, oh, I like that.

[1:09:09] There's something kind of fun about that.

[1:09:10] And one more thing, I don't know, there's a very on-the-nose metaphor in that their

[1:09:17] rehearsal space, they make mention that there is a bird flying around, and eventually that

[1:09:23] bird dies right around the time when Charlie's reaching rock bottom, and I'm like, okay,

[1:09:27] guys, come on.

[1:09:28] Come on, guys.

[1:09:31] Allie, what'd you think?

[1:09:33] Well, I'm trying to be emotionally honest.

[1:09:36] I feel like sometimes – I don't want to say that I like this merely to be in opposition to you guys, but I did – I thought it was –

[1:09:48] No, I liked it.

[1:09:49] I liked it.

[1:09:50] And I also think that I – it frustrates me when a movie strikes an unusual tone and the pushback is like, well, it should have been more like these other things that already exist.

[1:10:04] like i sort of liked the ambiguity of the tone uh i don't i hear you guys saying like you thought

[1:10:12] it should have been funnier but i liked that the moments that were funny were funny and then it

[1:10:17] wasn't it wasn't just slapstick i honestly i if this had not been described to me as a mockumentary

[1:10:24] ahead of time i would not have had that expectation that feels like it's a what just what i was led to

[1:10:28] believe in the beginning so it's a that's clearly whoever but there's like a bunch of comic actors

[1:10:34] in it. Like, I hear

[1:10:36] you, Hallie. Dan's the one who calls it a

[1:10:38] mockumentary. That's why he's

[1:10:40] defending it. No, I

[1:10:41] also feel like

[1:10:43] I like things with strange tones a lot

[1:10:46] of the time, but I don't

[1:10:48] know. If it

[1:10:49] sets itself up like it's going to make

[1:10:52] me laugh, I just want to laugh more.

[1:10:54] But I also understand

[1:10:55] what you're saying. Okay.

[1:10:58] It'd be so funny if, Hallie, if you were like,

[1:10:59] you're like, I gotta say this, but also, it sucked.

[1:11:02] I hated it.

[1:11:04] But, like, when I was watching it, I was going, the first probably 10, 15 minutes, I'm like, oh, boy.

[1:11:10] Yeah, I did think it was going to, I did at the beginning, I was like, oh, wait, this is really going to suck.

[1:11:16] But I can't deny that, like, I had an emotional response to it, right?

[1:11:19] Like, I got caught up in it, and I was like, oh, I connect to things in this.

[1:11:22] And, like, by the end of it, I was like, good on you.

[1:11:24] Good on you, Charlie.

[1:11:25] So I can't deny that I liked it.

[1:11:27] Another one for England.

[1:11:29] I think, I mean, honestly, I think one of the better movies we watched for the flop house.

[1:11:33] You know, we got Charlie.

[1:11:36] I was just saying one of the better movies we've watched for the flop house.

[1:11:40] Yes, I think that's true.

[1:11:41] I think it's in the upper margins, you know.

[1:11:43] It's not Abduction.

[1:11:44] No, it wasn't about Abduction.

[1:11:45] What was the one with Halle Berry where a kid gets kidnapped?

[1:11:48] Kidnapped?

[1:11:49] No, Kidnapped is the Robert Louis Stevenson novel.

[1:11:52] What was the one that we watched that was, I feel, the Mamma Mia Mafia one?

[1:11:57] Oh, that one.

[1:11:58] Mafia Mama is the best movie.

[1:11:59] Now, that's a good movie to watch for the flop house.

[1:12:01] That's a good movie.

[1:12:03] I was all prepared to like this movie, and I wound up liking it the least.

[1:12:07] Then maybe that's it.

[1:12:08] I went in being like, I'm going to hate this movie, and I ended up liking it.

[1:12:11] Dan went in thinking he was going to like it, and he hated it.

[1:12:13] When you've got expectations, they can mess with you, you know?

[1:12:16] That's what they say about expectations.

[1:12:18] It makes an X out of you and me.

[1:12:20] It makes an X out of your vex expectations.

[1:12:23] It makes an X out of Charlie X.

[1:12:26] Charlie X-y expectations.

[1:12:29] She should make great X-E Expectations, which is her version of Great Expectations, but it's her.

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[1:17:40] We haven't done a live show in a while and we are chomping at the bit.

[1:17:43] whereas Dan would say champing at the bit to do this show.

[1:17:46] Well, as someone who understands what the idiom is correctly, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:17:50] Yeah, yeah, because we all know what champing is.

[1:17:53] None of us know what chomping is.

[1:17:55] As I've said before, it just means chomping.

[1:17:57] It's another way of saying chomping.

[1:18:00] And if you can't make it under—

[1:18:01] Yeah, yeah, when Dan's like, excuse me, I need a burger to champ on.

[1:18:05] You're like, you want to be a champion on this burger?

[1:18:07] You're trying to champion this burger?

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[1:20:49] Hey, guys, good news.

[1:20:51] I found the letters that I was going to read for this episode.

[1:20:54] Oh, thank goodness. Wow.

[1:20:56] They had disappeared from my inbox.

[1:20:57] It was touch and go, right?

[1:20:58] Dan, I have never met anyone who consistently has letters disappear from their inbox as much as you.

[1:21:05] You know what it is?

[1:21:06] I think I need to introduce you to the idea of folders.

[1:21:09] I am too aggressive about, like, keeping my inbox neat.

[1:21:13] And then sometimes I mistakenly am like, well, I don't need this anymore.

[1:21:16] And I'm like, oh, no, shit.

[1:21:17] I needed that thing.

[1:21:20] But I found it.

[1:21:21] Oh, great.

[1:21:22] This first letter is from Icarus.

[1:21:28] Icarus writes

[1:21:31] You piece of little wax, dude

[1:21:34] Me wings ain't working

[1:21:35] Me dash said I flew too close to the sun

[1:21:40] I don't know why he has that accent

[1:21:43] No, seems like the person who definitely wouldn't have

[1:21:46] Now you have a Greek accent

[1:21:48] After listening to the episode on Jim and the holograms

[1:21:53] I watched a few episodes

[1:21:55] The episode that launched a revival for Gem and the Holograms.

[1:21:59] According to one website.

[1:22:01] I watched a few episodes and the show was fun, but the music left me wanting more.

[1:22:05] Which fictional band from TV slash movies do you think actually has the best music?

[1:22:11] And are there any tracks from in-fiction groups slash artists that you actually listen to?

[1:22:16] P.S. Obviously my answer is the Monkees, although they might arguably be called a real band

[1:22:22] since they release music and tour it outside of just their TV show.

[1:22:25] I would call them a real band.

[1:22:26] I would call them a real band.

[1:22:27] They're a band that were formed in tandem with a television show.

[1:22:30] I mean, they were a corporately put together band, but they also had a creative direction.

[1:22:34] Like that's what the movie Ed is all about and things like that.

[1:22:37] So, yeah, I'd call them a real band.

[1:22:38] Yeah.

[1:22:41] I don't think that they're like tracks I specifically listen to that I can think of other than, I mean, I have the Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack.

[1:22:52] So I guess I like the Soggy Bottom Boys would count as one.

[1:22:56] But like their individual like songs like the song from Josie and the Pussycats that was done by Letters to Cleo, the pop punk whatever song that they do is good.

[1:23:07] That Thing You Do from the movie That Thing You Do is a fun like individual.

[1:23:12] I've mentioned on the podcast before that I have two answers to this question.

[1:23:16] One of them is the one I mentioned before, Ellen Ame and the Attackers from Streets of Fire.

[1:23:20] I think they're legitimately really great.

[1:23:22] And their first song in that movie, Nowhere Fast, I listened to a lot.

[1:23:25] I think it's a great song.

[1:23:25] I really love it.

[1:23:26] And I'm not usually that big a fan of that, like, Jim Steinman-like kind of big stuff.

[1:23:33] But his work with Ellen Amon, the Attackers, and his work with Sisters of Mercy, you know, is the best stuff.

[1:23:39] But also, I'm going to say, I think Spinal Tap's a pretty great band in a lot of ways.

[1:23:43] Like, Spinal Tap has real catchy songs.

[1:23:46] Their songs are genuinely funny.

[1:23:48] I like listening to them.

[1:23:49] I'll often find myself kind of singing them to myself.

[1:23:53] Like, they have good songs.

[1:23:54] So I'll say Spinal Tap,

[1:23:55] even though the whole point of that movie

[1:23:56] is that they're not a good band.

[1:23:58] You know, I think they're actually really good.

[1:24:00] I mean, there's some obvious answers here,

[1:24:02] like the Riverbottom Nightmare Band.

[1:24:03] Oh, yeah.

[1:24:05] You know, there's Strong Defenders for Powerline

[1:24:08] from the Goofy movie.

[1:24:11] Four Town from Turning Red.

[1:24:13] Amazing.

[1:24:13] Yeah.

[1:24:15] Yeah, I feel like I've listed a lot of, like, animated things,

[1:24:19] and I feel like there's a real world for that.

[1:24:22] Allie, do you have any?

[1:24:23] Yeah, so I don't know if this exactly fits,

[1:24:27] but one of my favorite movies,

[1:24:31] Thing Called Love with Samantha Mathis,

[1:24:34] the song that she sings,

[1:24:36] she's always trying to write her country song

[1:24:39] throughout the whole thing.

[1:24:40] And then at the end,

[1:24:41] she plays the song Big Dream

[1:24:43] that is written for the movie.

[1:24:45] I love that song, beautiful song.

[1:24:47] River Phoenix also wrote two tracks for that that he performs.

[1:24:50] I think one of them was actually cut from the soundtrack,

[1:24:52] but Dermot Moroney wrote a song for it that he performs as his character.

[1:24:56] So I think the music in that is excellent.

[1:24:58] And it's not—they're all performing as the individual—

[1:25:05] As the characters.

[1:25:05] As the characters, yeah.

[1:25:06] It doesn't exist outside of that.

[1:25:08] So that's my answer.

[1:25:09] I was thinking of bands, but that makes me think of Nashville also.

[1:25:12] It has a bunch of great songs in it,

[1:25:14] And it's all by the, you know, the actors as the characters performing those songs.

[1:25:18] Oh, and I forgot the song in the summer, Scotty Doesn't Know from the movie Eurotrip.

[1:25:22] Sure.

[1:25:23] I don't know that one.

[1:25:24] Really?

[1:25:25] I don't remember it, no.

[1:25:26] You don't want to know it because you'll never stop humming it.

[1:25:29] Oh, wow.

[1:25:31] This is me.

[1:25:32] Maybe don't send any angry letters.

[1:25:34] I've never seen Eurotrip.

[1:25:36] Yeah, clearly.

[1:25:37] Or you would remember Scotty Doesn't Know.

[1:25:39] Or we would see the big scars on your side from where your gut busted.

[1:25:44] um this what's what's the problem doctor i'm afraid you're gonna have to stop watching euro

[1:25:51] trip no i guess cancel comedy central from what 15 years ago before they discovered office reruns

[1:25:59] yeah uh this uh second and final letters from john last name withheld who writes

[1:26:06] regarding from cincinnati regarding dan's complaint that his older brother is misremembering

[1:26:13] and or overstating Dan's childhood love

[1:26:15] of poorly animated European films.

[1:26:21] Yes, Dan.

[1:26:22] Every damn time said older brother

[1:26:25] came into the living room from about 1985 to about 1990,

[1:26:28] Dan would be glued to the family's 17-inch color television

[1:26:31] watching the god-awful joint UK-Polish 1978 production

[1:26:35] The Water Babies,

[1:26:36] which seemed to be on rotation on HBO

[1:26:38] for the better part of a decade,

[1:26:40] and said older brother would ask Dan to turn it off.

[1:26:42] So this is a specific John wrote this letter, is what I'm learning.

[1:26:45] This may or may not be a specific John.

[1:26:48] No, it's John from Eureka, yeah.

[1:26:51] Said older brother would ask Dan to turn it off or change the channel to something else,

[1:26:54] only to be told, no, I'm watching this, go away.

[1:26:58] This sort of behavior is that of an addict, not someone merely watching whatever's on.

[1:27:05] To be fair, water babies was only the symptom of a larger problem.

[1:27:09] with the explosion of cable in the 1980s,

[1:27:11] there were suddenly a lot of broadcast hours to fill

[1:27:14] and many terrible French, Italian, and Polish cartoons

[1:27:16] were hastily dubbed and aired on both premium and basic channels.

[1:27:20] This was a few years before Japanese animation's

[1:27:23] conquest of North America.

[1:27:25] Water Babies wasn't a Virginia Woolf book, right?

[1:27:28] I'm thinking of The Waves.

[1:27:29] You're thinking of The Waves, yeah, yeah.

[1:27:30] Very different.

[1:27:31] Water Babies was the original title of the fucking Waves.

[1:27:34] You're thinking of Virginia Woolf's novel Solar Babies.

[1:27:38] Said older brother had the bad fortune to catch an episode of Le Monde Anglouti, a sort of animated Moibus for kids post-apocalyptic series, which was retitled in English to Spartacus and the Sun Beneath the Sea when it ran on Nickelodeon in the late 80s.

[1:27:54] And to this day, he has the Dance of the Pirates song stuck in his head.

[1:27:58] Perhaps it would now be the time to mention that said older brother has his own podcast, Sophomore Lit, in which he and a guest discuss a book or story that he gets taught in high school or college, and perhaps a book that they read as kids, or really anything because he's lazy when it comes to themes.

[1:28:12] All three of the original Peaches have been guests on said podcast.

[1:28:16] Not me.

[1:28:17] And all are welcome to come back.

[1:28:20] Yeah, why don't you invite Hallie?

[1:28:21] Talk about water babies.

[1:28:23] I mean, I can put you in touch with my brother, John.

[1:28:28] I don't think he'd be happy to have you on the show.

[1:28:30] What an ambitious thing to have a kid's animated movie

[1:28:34] and it then just says,

[1:28:35] Adapted based on The Waves by Virginia Woolf.

[1:28:38] And so, like, Transformers the movie,

[1:28:40] based on The Waves by Virginia Woolf.

[1:28:42] What an amazing touch that would be.

[1:28:45] But then we'll only be eligible

[1:28:46] for the Adapted Screenplay Academy Award.

[1:28:49] Yeah.

[1:28:50] All three of the original pages

[1:28:51] have been guests on said podcast

[1:28:54] and all are welcome to come back if they want.

[1:28:56] If only Dan were so gracious

[1:28:57] and inviting his older brother to be on podcast.

[1:29:01] Wow.

[1:29:01] Does this mean I have to pay for a General Trump?

[1:29:04] It feels like you're a guest already.

[1:29:08] I guess I should end this with a question.

[1:29:11] Is there a bad animated movie or direct-to-video

[1:29:14] that you saw when you were young

[1:29:15] and will not leave your brain?

[1:29:17] John, last name.

[1:29:18] Well, probably Water Babies.

[1:29:20] It would be mine.

[1:29:22] Water Babies.

[1:29:23] Water Babies, yeah.

[1:29:24] Jim Henson's Water Babies.

[1:29:25] The commercial for Wiggles and Jiggles and Feels So Real.

[1:29:29] It's my water, babe.

[1:29:32] Dan would go, I'm watching this.

[1:29:38] That's when I'm going to add that to the rotation of old commercials that I sing to my children.

[1:29:41] I do my buddy and kid sister.

[1:29:44] I do Ring Pop.

[1:29:49] Sometimes I'll do whatchamacallit.

[1:29:52] Whatchamacallit.

[1:29:53] Thingamabob.

[1:29:54] So I don't really have an answer to this one.

[1:29:58] I think the closest I can come to is when I was an adolescent, there was a video of computer animated shorts called, I think, Journey to the Mind's Eye.

[1:30:07] Yeah, yeah.

[1:30:07] And I used to rent that a lot because I liked watching those.

[1:30:10] But it was just a random collection.

[1:30:11] Some of it was commercials.

[1:30:12] Some of it was just random stuff.

[1:30:14] And one of it was a very long kind of like satellite view over, you know, looking over landscapes.

[1:30:22] And I would always fast forward through that.

[1:30:23] Elliot, why rent it when you can just go to your local radio shack

[1:30:26] and they'll be playing it on the TV there?

[1:30:29] That's a good point.

[1:30:30] That's a good point.

[1:30:31] Why rent it to watch it comfortably?

[1:30:32] If you have a local radio shack, that's crazy.

[1:30:35] You may be living in the past.

[1:30:37] Yeah.

[1:30:38] Check a newspaper.

[1:30:39] No, that's what we're putting in.

[1:30:40] That's what we're changing it to.

[1:30:41] You might be living in the past.

[1:30:44] What are you dead on, Jeff Fox, for the impression?

[1:30:49] Was that Katherine Hepburn doing a Jeff Fox for the impression?

[1:30:53] You might be living in the past, you old poop.

[1:31:03] Oh, man, she crushed that to her, though, man.

[1:31:05] Yeah, she did, yeah.

[1:31:06] Fucking did big numbers.

[1:31:07] Yeah, yeah.

[1:31:10] She did the redneck comedy.

[1:31:11] The original, original.

[1:31:13] The redneck and Chris Flake shirt comedy.

[1:31:17] So, Stuart, what about you?

[1:31:18] I can't really think of anything.

[1:31:20] Okay.

[1:31:21] Even as a child, I had impeccable taste in my animation.

[1:31:26] Like when I made my parents watch The Legend of the Overfiend.

[1:31:33] Yeah, Allie, do you have anything?

[1:31:36] Did it have to be animated?

[1:31:37] No, it's John's brother wrote this letter.

[1:31:40] He can say whatever he wants.

[1:31:42] Well, I'm trying to figure out.

[1:31:44] This time I'm going to look it up as someone else was talking,

[1:31:47] but my internet isn't working in your house, Elliot.

[1:31:49] i don't know i guess it i guess it's connected to your bathroom yeah yeah we have toilet-based

[1:31:57] wi-fi here um but do you guys remember the movie watcher in the woods i think that was directed

[1:32:04] video right i never stopped thinking about that i was never in this i don't remember that being

[1:32:11] in theaters it was like uh i don't remember like a disney production from like that period when

[1:32:17] disney was like it's okay to scare children yeah yeah yeah very scary when they made like black

[1:32:22] cauldron and stuff like that yeah something wicked oh right right right right right right right right

[1:32:28] right right i mean like when i was a kid i watched like the ewok adventure and was like this is sick

[1:32:32] what's this i guess the closest i could this is not animated but like

[1:32:37] something that like stuck in my brain for a long time was when i saw as a kid i saw a fool's fire

[1:32:43] a murder

[1:32:45] a murder

[1:32:46] I've never been shaken on my brain

[1:32:49] so I had to take justice into my own hands

[1:32:52] so I was staring out this

[1:32:53] rear window

[1:32:54] that's a window I used to look at

[1:32:58] butts

[1:32:58] rear window magazine

[1:33:02] through a frame of a window

[1:33:08] it would be all

[1:33:09] it would be all pinups based around

[1:33:12] peekaboo like long johns you know oh boy i'm vibing yeah i'm into it but uh when i saw when

[1:33:19] i saw on pbs one night saw fool's fire the julie taymor um short film where it's mostly puppets

[1:33:25] but not entirely puppets and i remember not knowing what it was and being very kind of like

[1:33:30] disturbed by it and it took me a long time to find out what that was but that wasn't like a bad thing

[1:33:34] it wasn't like i was like i watched this bad thing over and over again stuck in my head that was more

[1:33:38] of a it took me a long time to hunt down what this thing was that i couldn't quite describe to

[1:33:43] anybody you know um yeah so i hope this answers this mysterious john's question and everyone

[1:33:50] should uh check out sophomore lit the episodes we were on first of course and uh yes please if we

[1:33:58] didn't if we didn't answer this question properly why don't you call your brother dan and bug him

[1:34:03] about and uh off air not not in the show yeah and hallie if you want to be on the show i'm sure he'd

[1:34:08] love to have you he's like me but quieter so yeah i don't have that much to say i can't feel that

[1:34:15] much airtime exactly you're gonna have to go in and talk about the waves water babies um let's uh

[1:34:22] recommend some movies let's do it movies that we saw and enjoyed and uh think that you might

[1:34:29] see and enjoy.

[1:34:31] Hey, who knows?

[1:34:32] Who knows?

[1:34:35] What do I want to recommend?

[1:34:36] Sorry.

[1:34:37] I should have thought about this.

[1:34:38] I mean, if you're not ready, Dan,

[1:34:39] someone else can talk.

[1:34:39] You usually start,

[1:34:40] but if you're not ready,

[1:34:41] we can always break that rule.

[1:34:42] I'm going to recommend

[1:34:43] a modern martial arts masterpiece

[1:34:45] called The Furious.

[1:34:48] This is probably the first,

[1:34:50] I think it just came out this year.

[1:34:52] It is a fairly straightforward plot line

[1:34:55] of a mute handyman.

[1:35:00] Daughter gets kidnapped

[1:35:01] by a ring of child kidnappers.

[1:35:03] That I don't love.

[1:35:04] And he teams up with the husband

[1:35:08] of a missing reporter

[1:35:10] to take down this syndicate.

[1:35:12] Of course, they have their own

[1:35:14] misunderstandings along the way

[1:35:16] and fight each other for a little bit,

[1:35:18] but there is a ton of battling.

[1:35:20] The fight choreography in this movie

[1:35:23] is absolutely bonkers.

[1:35:25] there's so much like physical storytelling

[1:35:27] with what they're able to do

[1:35:29] and it is kind of the first movie since The Raid

[1:35:34] that I feel like either equals or tops The Raid

[1:35:37] in just visceral thrills

[1:35:39] plus it has a lot of nods to like classic kung fu cinema

[1:35:43] that I find makes this movie feel like

[1:35:47] it is kind of part of that classics conversation

[1:35:50] it's really great

[1:35:51] if you get a chance check it out

[1:35:53] I think it's rentable now, but you might be able to catch it in your local theater.

[1:35:59] That sounds great.

[1:36:00] I'm going to have to watch that one.

[1:36:01] It's great.

[1:36:02] I was having trouble because, like, other than The Odyssey, which doesn't need my help,

[1:36:07] I have been watching a lot of, let's call them three-star movies lately.

[1:36:11] But I'm going to recommend one of those.

[1:36:13] Well, who are the three stars?

[1:36:14] Like Chevy Chase, Martin Short, and Steve Martin?

[1:36:16] Yep.

[1:36:16] I watched Three Amigos over and over again.

[1:36:18] It was originally called The Three Stars.

[1:36:22] No, but so I am going to recommend a movie that like it's a silly recommendation, a qualified recommendation.

[1:36:28] But the local Alamo, which I have been avoiding for new movies, but I've been going to rep screening still because usually people aren't taking their phones out there.

[1:36:41] This is the type of type of thing where like the people who go to those aren't aren't rude film goers.

[1:36:47] I've been going to, their Weird Wednesdays have been running through a bunch of, like a beach party movie every month.

[1:36:57] And they've gotten to the point in the AIP beach party films where they have left the beach behind.

[1:37:03] They're still technically beach movies, but no longer take place.

[1:37:08] Beach factory.

[1:37:09] Well, like the last month, which I didn't see, was called Sergeant Deadhead.

[1:37:12] And it was just like, it was like an army comedy.

[1:37:15] And then the one that I did go see was, of course, Dr. Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine.

[1:37:21] Oh, had you never seen that before?

[1:37:22] I had seen it a long time before for some reason.

[1:37:25] But I was glad to revisit Dr. Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine.

[1:37:31] That's the song.

[1:37:33] Yeah, we're talking about good songs from movies.

[1:37:35] Starring Vincent Price as the titular Goldfoot.

[1:37:37] Yeah.

[1:37:38] If you want to see a movie where Vincent Price is not only hamming up, but he's doing, like, full comedy.

[1:37:44] unlike normal vincent bryant well that's what i'm saying he's like adding like he's not just

[1:37:49] like stopping it like i'm doing a little camp here he's like i'm i'm doing a comedy performance

[1:37:53] he understands the level of a movie with bikini machine in the title yeah he is uh he is an evil

[1:37:59] scientific genius uh who has his igor assistant and he has built a bunch of sex bots to go out

[1:38:07] into the world to seduce rich men and have them sign over property to them and then he can profit

[1:38:14] essentially and uh the main connection to uh the beach party movies is frankie avalon is the

[1:38:21] the star i guess like even though vincent price is the real star of course if vincent price is in

[1:38:28] the movie he's the star yeah yeah but uh he's the star of edward scissorhands and he's barely in

[1:38:32] that movie yeah i i was never that charmed with him in the beach party uh movies that were on the

[1:38:38] beach but in this one i don't know something like he he showed a flair for like physical comedy he

[1:38:44] does a good job as like kind of the square hero to uh vincent price is like a lot funnier sort of

[1:38:51] just dripping with disdain evil uh guy and it's just it's a silly 60s comedy it's about a guy

[1:38:59] with a bikini machine yeah so uh if that sounds like it's up your alley it's ready for a gritty

[1:39:06] reboot yeah well don't expect uh you know like

[1:39:10] tipper your expectations but if you like nutty stuff uh pop culture junk from the

[1:39:16] past you'll have fun watching it dan did you ever read the later league of

[1:39:20] extraordinary gentlemen hardcovers that alan moore and kevin

[1:39:23] o'neill put out there's one where they're they're in south america

[1:39:25] and there's a group of former nazi scientists that are working south

[1:39:29] america and one of them is dr goldfoot and i just i just really enjoyed that he

[1:39:32] included for these mad scientists.

[1:39:36] Elliot,

[1:39:36] why don't you go? I'm going to recommend a movie.

[1:39:38] So Dan talked to us about bikinis

[1:39:40] and Stuart talked to us about violence.

[1:39:43] I'm going to talk about the opposite of those

[1:39:44] things because I watched a movie recently

[1:39:46] about a guy who stands for

[1:39:49] peace

[1:39:50] and also, I guess,

[1:39:53] the laws of religion

[1:39:54] and that is The Last Temptation

[1:39:56] of Christ. That's right, everybody.

[1:39:59] I have been going back and watching

[1:40:00] some Scorsese movies I had not seen before

[1:40:02] and this is one I'd put off for a long time

[1:40:05] because I'd always heard it was boring

[1:40:07] because you're Jewish

[1:40:08] and because I'm Jewish

[1:40:10] I'm like I don't care about this guy

[1:40:11] this Jew caused all that trouble

[1:40:13] no thanks

[1:40:13] made things a lot harder for us

[1:40:15] as if things were ever easy for us

[1:40:18] oh boy

[1:40:18] let me tell you

[1:40:20] moving into Dracula zone again

[1:40:24] it was going into Jackie Mason territory

[1:40:26] Jackie Mason's kind of like the Dracula of comedy

[1:40:28] Actually, Milton Berle would be the Dracula of comedy because he steals from so many other people.

[1:40:35] But this one, I should have remembered that Martin Scorsese has two super strong modes.

[1:40:40] And one of them is modern kind of like modern violence and modern turmoil.

[1:40:45] And the other is such a true devotion to the mystery of religious faith.

[1:40:50] And I love his movie Silence.

[1:40:52] I think it's a fantastic movie.

[1:40:53] And this one, I was really blown away by it.

[1:40:55] I thought it was really great.

[1:40:56] I didn't find it boring at all.

[1:40:57] I didn't find it.

[1:40:57] It's a slow-paced movie, but in a way that makes sense when it's set in biblical times.

[1:41:02] Like it should not be fast-paced.

[1:41:04] And something that I'd always heard as a criticism of it, that the performances feel very modern and their voices are very modern.

[1:41:10] You have Harvey Keitel playing Judas.

[1:41:11] You have Willem Dafoe playing Jesus.

[1:41:14] There were jokes I remember people making about like, oh, they just sound like normal modern people.

[1:41:19] And I really liked that about it.

[1:41:20] It made it feel like the characters were so much more alive.

[1:41:23] And it meant that in Willem Dafoe's performance especially, he's playing the Jesus of the Gospels who is so inconsistent and that he's able to create this character who is inconsistent because he's kind of wondering what God wants him to be doing.

[1:41:38] And I thought it was really good.

[1:41:39] I thought it was a really just fantastic movie.

[1:41:40] And one of these movies that if I had any interest in being a Christian, this would have helped to pique that because it helped to make that aspect of the Gospels feel relevant in a way and kind of modern in a way that made sense to me.

[1:41:56] And there's a great scene with Andre Gregory from My Dinner with Andre playing John the Baptist that's really fantastic.

[1:42:05] And I just thought it was a really beautiful movie and very stirring and very touching.

[1:42:09] So if you've been putting it off because you think it's going to be boring but you have an interest in it, check it out.

[1:42:13] I think it's really good.

[1:42:14] Last Temptation of Christ, you know.

[1:42:16] Don't miss your last chance to see this temptation.

[1:42:19] Before it goes to the Disney vault.

[1:42:25] Allie, what do you want to recommend?

[1:42:27] Have you guys watched for the purposes of this podcast that Jennifer Lopez rom-com Office Romance?

[1:42:35] No, not yet.

[1:42:36] Okay.

[1:42:37] We probably will.

[1:42:37] Well, I recently took a very fun girls' trip with my friend.

[1:42:41] Thanks for inviting me.

[1:42:42] And part of – what did you say?

[1:42:45] I said thanks for inviting me.

[1:42:48] Would have been nice to feel included in your girls' trip.

[1:42:49] Yeah, well, it was about girlhood.

[1:42:52] But one of the things – we went to Nashville to see Tori Amos perform at the Ryman.

[1:42:59] But one of the things that we did every night was watch a bad rom-com, a newer bad rom-com.

[1:43:06] so we watched this office romance and then it's ridiculous it's fucking ridiculous and i was like

[1:43:11] how did this get made and it's a different podcast we hate movies why jennifer lopez doesn't have to

[1:43:19] do anything she doesn't want to do she is rich so why did she why did she want to do this so i did

[1:43:25] a little bit of research it's written by brett goldman the goldstein yeah oh goldstein excuse me

[1:43:33] They all look alike to Halle.

[1:43:34] Yeah.

[1:43:35] All those Jews.

[1:43:36] But he wrote it especially for her, and he was like, I don't even – if she doesn't want to do this, I'm not going to make it.

[1:43:43] I need to find a way to kiss Jennifer Lopez.

[1:43:45] But she apparently wanted to do it.

[1:43:48] So the premise is, like, she's a pilot, and she owns this airline, and he is her lawyer.

[1:43:55] But she really liked that it upended conventional rom-com tropes because she is in, like, a high status position versus, like, when she's, like, the maid or the wedding planner.

[1:44:07] Did she see the whole Goodman movie?

[1:44:08] Well, what I was going to say was—

[1:44:11] Which one?

[1:44:11] This was a terrible movie.

[1:44:13] Baby doll, was that it?

[1:44:13] Baby girl?

[1:44:14] But it's not a rom-com.

[1:44:16] Depends on how you look at it.

[1:44:18] But I was going to say—

[1:44:19] There's, like, almost no com.

[1:44:22] It's like—okay.

[1:44:24] But this was not a good movie.

[1:44:27] But the movie, The Proposal with Sandra Bullock.

[1:44:31] Is very similar.

[1:44:32] Is very similar in premise.

[1:44:35] She is the high status boss to Ryan Reynolds, who I usually, I hate Ryan Reynolds in general.

[1:44:39] But I loved that movie.

[1:44:41] And yet you love Mint Mobile.

[1:44:43] And Deadpool.

[1:44:45] And Rexon.

[1:44:47] Yeah.

[1:44:48] So what I'm saying is.

[1:44:49] So you're recommending The Proposal.

[1:44:50] I'm recommending The Proposal.

[1:44:52] I haven't, I actually have not seen The Proposal.

[1:44:53] I just know it's similar.

[1:44:54] Is it a funny movie?

[1:44:55] I loved it.

[1:44:56] I did watch it on a plane, but I loved it.

[1:44:59] I remember enjoying the proposal.

[1:45:00] Yeah.

[1:45:01] That's not the one where he is in like a fat suit, right?

[1:45:04] No, that's just Friends, I believe.

[1:45:06] Okay.

[1:45:07] With Amy, is it Amy Sedaris?

[1:45:10] Sedaris.

[1:45:12] I would love to see an Amy Sedaris run.

[1:45:13] Yeah, I think that's correct.

[1:45:14] It's wrong call.

[1:45:17] I would love that.

[1:45:19] Yeah.

[1:45:20] That just makes me think of the BoJack Horseman subplot when she's the cat who's dating the kid who is just like standing on another kid.

[1:45:30] Yeah, trench coat.

[1:45:31] Yeah, that could be a whole movie.

[1:45:34] That was very funny.

[1:45:35] Yeah, it would get a little weird.

[1:45:38] In live action, yeah.

[1:45:40] Yeah, I guess so.

[1:45:41] Well, guys, we did it.

[1:45:43] That was our moment.

[1:45:45] And that was your moment to listen to us, the Flophouse.

[1:45:49] Thank you to Hallie for being here.

[1:45:50] I'm not sure who you're teaming to at the moment.

[1:45:55] Talking to the listener at home, the listener at home.

[1:45:57] Although I'm also saying thank you to Hallie for being here and bringing joy.

[1:46:03] I was like, oh, good.

[1:46:04] I get to see Hallie today.

[1:46:05] And it lived up to my expectations.

[1:46:10] So now that we're going around the table, what do you have to say to me?

[1:46:13] Good to see you again, Stuart.

[1:46:15] I haven't seen you in a while, even though we live in the same, we live very close.

[1:46:20] We live in the same apartment.

[1:46:21] We live together.

[1:46:23] We sleep in a TV channel.

[1:46:25] Sometimes doing the show together, you know, kind of gets in the way of us.

[1:46:29] It's more like a round bed.

[1:46:30] Spending more time together because, you know, we're like, oh, we can always rely on the podcast, you know.

[1:46:35] And you get in fights on the podcast.

[1:46:37] She makes some time just for us.

[1:46:38] It's awkward to spend time together.

[1:46:40] Allie, I haven't seen you in a while because you live across the country, which felt like it was a personal betrayal.

[1:46:47] I live in the same neighborhood.

[1:46:48] Yeah.

[1:46:49] We're like you guys.

[1:46:50] Yeah.

[1:46:51] We need a podcast to keep us together.

[1:46:52] Dan and I keep talking about going out to L.A. and L.A. is like, no, no, no.

[1:46:56] It's all fires here.

[1:46:57] No.

[1:46:57] It's all fires all the time.

[1:46:58] Stay away.

[1:46:59] My bathroom doesn't work.

[1:47:01] Yeah.

[1:47:02] I have another bathroom.

[1:47:03] You can use that bathroom.

[1:47:04] Whoa.

[1:47:05] Don't say that on air.

[1:47:07] People are going to think you're rich.

[1:47:09] And I think I'm rich.

[1:47:10] Like when people got upset that one of the Doughboys had stairs outside his house.

[1:47:16] Outside the house?

[1:47:17] Yeah, he has like a lot of stairs leading up to his house, I think.

[1:47:20] No, he lives in LA or something.

[1:47:22] He probably lives in Highland Park.

[1:47:24] He could live in, you know, Highland Park's got a lot of hills.

[1:47:27] I mean, I've got like, what, two, three stairs going up to my front.

[1:47:30] Stop it.

[1:47:30] I told you.

[1:47:31] You are going to freak out.

[1:47:32] It's just a brick stoop.

[1:47:34] Just a brick stoop, you know.

[1:47:36] Living that elevated lifestyle.

[1:47:38] Okay.

[1:47:38] Well, anyway, thank you to—

[1:47:41] I'm just a couple inches higher up than most people.

[1:47:43] Thank you to our network, Maximum Fun.

[1:47:45] Go to MaximumFun.org to check out the other great shows on the network.

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[1:47:59] If you go to FlophousePodcast.com, it's very easy to sign up,

[1:48:03] and you can hear about all the stuff that you probably already heard about in our plug section.

[1:48:08] But it gets mailed to you directly with a little few extra jokes.

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[1:48:41] He sure does.

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[1:48:47] But for The Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:48:50] I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:48:52] I'm Elliot Kaelin.

[1:48:53] And we've been joined by...

[1:48:54] Allie Haglund.

[1:48:57] Bye.

[1:48:58] Bye.

[1:48:59] Bye.

[1:49:08] Okay, I'd like to back up and ask an actual friend question.

[1:49:18] What's going on with your bathroom?

[1:49:20] What are you doing?

[1:49:21] So the floor was rotting.

[1:49:23] We knew we were going to have to make a new one at some point.

[1:49:25] And that turned into a project of making it into a master bathroom as opposed to a bathroom off the hallway.

[1:49:31] And so it's just getting totally redone.

[1:49:33] So the guys came and they demoed it.

[1:49:35] And now they've put the new walls in and they've put the cement in.

[1:49:38] they can put the tiles down

[1:49:39] I love this blue collar Elliot

[1:49:42] we're getting here he's like

[1:49:43] he's in terms like demo and all that stuff

[1:49:46] he's got a tape measure

[1:49:47] yeah yeah yeah

[1:49:49] every day I show up with a hammer in one hand I go what do I do guys

[1:49:52] how do I help you out

[1:49:53] he's like when's quitting time

[1:49:57] oh man I could go for a

[1:50:00] frosty one right now huh

[1:50:02] yeah yeah yeah

[1:50:03] it means that my house is very loud

[1:50:06] and full of dust and I don't have

[1:50:08] my usual workspace.

[1:50:10] So instead I've been working...

[1:50:11] In the bathroom.

[1:50:11] I've been working outside

[1:50:13] and it's been very hot lately.

[1:50:16] It really is very hot here, guys.

[1:50:18] Oh, you see...

[1:50:19] You're sorry.

[1:50:19] When I said workspace,

[1:50:20] I was referring to a separate space

[1:50:22] than my usual jerk space,

[1:50:23] which I still have,

[1:50:24] which is the corner of the garage

[1:50:25] farthest from the door.

[1:50:27] You just face the corner?

[1:50:29] Yeah, I call it winter witching.

[1:50:30] Yeah.

[1:50:31] Oh, I thought you used

[1:50:32] one of those Japanese screens

[1:50:34] with hentai printed on it.

[1:50:36] No, the good thing about this

[1:50:37] Clearly, Elliot's keeping his imagination alive.

[1:50:41] It's all fantasy-based.

[1:50:42] Exactly.

[1:50:43] I don't want to lose that part.

[1:50:45] I don't want to lose that.

[1:50:47] You know, that innocence.

[1:50:49] I don't want to have to deal with the fisherman's wife's dream.

[1:50:51] I want my dream.

[1:50:52] See you next time.

[1:50:54] Well, we've greeted Hallie in the normal way.

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The Moment, with Hallie Haglund

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