FH Mini 52 - Oscars Roundup 2022

Stuart Wellington

[0:00] Oh, hey, it's me, Stuart Wellington on the Flophouse Podcast, and you are tuning into

[0:09] a brand new mini episode brought to you by Minnie's Bar.

[0:12] That's a Flophouse mini by Minnie's.

[0:14] And I'm here recording all the way down in Bonita Springs, Florida.

[0:22] That's right.

[0:23] I'm in Florida.

Elliott Kalan

[0:25] That was a Florida man call.

Stuart Wellington

[0:27] Yep.

[0:27] If you're wondering why my audio sounds terrible, it's because I'm recording in a hotel room

[0:31] with my laptop.

[0:33] Joining me, as always, are my co-hosts, Dan McCoy and Elliot Kalin.

[0:37] Let me hear an ooh-ooh from you.

[0:39] Ooh-ooh.

Elliott Kalan

[0:41] That's me, Dan.

[0:42] Ooh-ooh.

[0:43] Ooh-ooh.

[0:43] Perfect.

[0:43] I'm Elliot.

[0:44] I was about to say, I'm Dan.

[0:45] I was about to just repeat whatever Dan said.

[0:48] It's late, guys.

[0:49] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[0:49] Now, if this is the first time you're tuning into the Flophouse, you should delete this episode

[0:54] and start with a different one.

[0:55] But if you're a returning customer, I mean, loosen her.

[0:58] Ooh-ooh.

Dan McCoy

[0:59] I mean, honestly, basically every episode of this show plays better after you've sort of

[1:06] equated yourself with us, have like sort of a fondness, a sort of, just sort of you've

[1:11] been beaten down by our personalities and tell you.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15] Yeah.

[1:15] That's fair.

[1:16] Every episode is better when you like us already.

[1:18] You just give in.

[1:19] Yeah.

[1:19] You gotta love us.

[1:21] Yeah.

[1:21] Much like the dinosaurs' baby, you gotta love us.

[1:23] And also, we're quick to point out who's not the mama.

[1:25] Uh-huh.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26] You just gotta give in and trust your body like the dinosaurs.

[1:29] So, we are...

[1:31] That's what they did.

[1:33] Yeah.

[1:34] You missed that episode.

[1:36] We are just hanging out.

[1:37] Now, normally, we have watched a bad movie, and the episode is us reviewing that bad movie.

[1:43] And tonight, because it's a mini brought to you by Minnie's Bar, we are not doing that

[1:47] at all.

[1:48] Instead, we are talking about...

Elliott Kalan

[1:49] In what way is this episode brought to us by Minnie's Bar?

[1:51] I'm curious about that.

[1:52] Yeah.

[1:52] What did they do?

Stuart Wellington

[1:53] Well, one of the goddamn owners of Minnie's Bar is talking right now.

[1:57] That's me, Stuart Willington.

[1:58] I guess.

[1:58] I guess in that way is brought to us.

[2:01] I guess.

[2:02] And that Minnie's keeps you alive.

[2:06] So, what I was saying is, instead of doing that thing where we watch a bad movie and talk

[2:11] about it, we are talking about a TV program called the Oscars that was on Sunday.

[2:19] And we are going to talk about that.

[2:19] It was called the 94th Academy Awards.

[2:21] Thank you.

[2:22] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[2:22] The Oscars from Sunday.

[2:25] You know what, Stu?

[2:26] You did it.

[2:27] You did it.

[2:28] You introduced...

[2:28] You kept through the thinking of interruptions.

[2:31] And you made your way through...

[2:32] Yeah.

[2:32] You hacked away with your verbal machete.

[2:35] Through the introduction cove into, you know, the interior of the island.

Stuart Wellington

[2:39] I'm going to pull back the curtain like we're going backstage on the Oscars.

[2:44] And what had happened was we sat down and Dan and Elliot are like, so how do you want to

[2:48] do this?

[2:49] And I said, fuck it.

[2:50] I'm just going to do it.

[2:50] And ran right into the room and started.

[2:52] Yeah.

[2:53] Pulled a real Leroy Jenkins and just ran right in.

[2:57] Who?

[2:58] Yeah.

[2:59] Oh, boy.

[3:00] Well, you've got...

[3:01] I would just like the idea that I would be less familiar with Leroy Jenkins than my two

[3:05] super cool gaming buddies.

[3:07] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[3:08] Sounds like Stu's got to catch up on his 17-year-old memes.

[3:11] So, the 94th Academy Awards, a lot of...

[3:15] So, for those who are not familiar with the Oscars, every year awards are given out for

[3:18] the best in movies.

[3:20] And often, the best in movies don't get those awards.

[3:24] And it's just...

[3:25] The hell you say.

[3:26] It was mostly no difference.

[3:29] But also, there's the other drama going on, in some ways the more interesting drama, which

[3:33] is the story of a bunch of Oscar producers living under the delusion that there is a way

[3:38] to get people to watch the Oscars on TV and desperately chasing after it, never realizing

[3:43] this is an illusion.

[3:44] Because the days when the Oscars were must-see TV, copyright NBC, are long past.

[3:50] Because there is no longer a separation between movies and television, and we don't find our

[3:54] stars magical in any way.

[3:56] Yeah.

[3:56] And the best they can do is shock us momentarily with their outre behavior.

Dan McCoy

[4:01] I've been thinking about this a lot lately, which is just like, I guess the...

[4:06] I mean, in a bigger way, it's the roots of conservatism.

[4:10] But maybe that's a bit...

[4:12] That's too much of a macro view.

[4:13] It is just a thing in human nature to believe that the way things were when you were growing

[4:20] up is some sort of normalcy, and everything else is the aberration.

[4:26] And so I do think that people still trying to make the Oscars happen as they used to are

[4:31] clinging to, like, but this is a...

[4:33] The Oscars, this is a thing.

[4:35] It has always been.

Elliott Kalan

[4:36] It's when Hollywood's brightest stars come out to shine in our very own homes.

[4:40] Yeah.

[4:40] And they don't seem to realize that, like, we can see those stars whenever we want.

[4:44] It's no longer...

[4:44] The excitement of, I'm watching Elizabeth Taylor on my television set is no longer there.

[4:50] Yeah, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[4:50] I mean, this is coming from me, too, one of the few people who continues to enjoy...

[4:55] watching the Oscars.

[4:57] Like, I am one of the dwindling audience for this thing, but even I am like...

[5:04] That's what it says on your business cards is Dan McCoy, a dwindling audience.

[5:08] I wish I was dwindling.

[5:10] I'm not middle-aged, guys.

[5:11] I keep increasing.

[5:13] I keep increasing.

[5:15] No, but...

[5:16] Oh, man.

[5:17] No, you know what I'm saying, though.

[5:19] Even as someone who loves it, I would prefer that they find a way to, you know, keep it alive rather than killing it by having bigger expectations of it than are rational.

Stuart Wellington

[5:31] Step one, get more Tony Hawk involved.

Dan McCoy

[5:34] Yeah.

[5:35] Yeah.

[5:36] That was pretty radical, seeing him and the flying tomato.

Elliott Kalan

[5:39] Honestly, I think at this point, I think that the Academy Awards, from a viewership perspective, would be best served if it was a streaming event on the Oscars website and fans could watch it.

[5:52] And there wasn't this sense of, like, hey, we've got to appeal to this imaginary audience that is not interested in watching Liv Ullman get a Lifetime Achievement Award, but does want to see Tony Hawk.

[6:03] Like, because that's who's interested in Academy Awards, you know.

[6:06] Like, we don't have time to show who won for, like, makeup and costumes or whatever.

[6:12] We need to make room for the dancers who will celebrate all the dead people that we're not going to see clearly on screen because we're watching the dancers.

[6:19] That was wild.

Stuart Wellington

[6:20] That was wild.

[6:23] Like, the fact that I had to, like, try and dodge my head between dancers so that I could see that Norm MacDonald got snubbed.

Elliott Kalan

[6:30] Well, that's – and also that it was, like, the – it felt very strange to me for it to end on Betty White, who is, you know, undeniably a beloved American fixture, but, like, not someone I think of as a movie star, you know?

[6:44] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[6:46] That is interesting because I was about to make an argument of, like, as much as I think Norm MacDonald was a tremendously funny comedian and, you know, had at least one pretty funny movie.

[6:58] He's not primarily known as a movie star.

[7:02] No, that's true.

[7:03] That's really odd.

[7:04] Like, I – for all these things where, like, they snubbed this or that person the Oscars, like, oftentimes it's just like, yeah, they were famous, but they weren't necessarily known for movies.

Stuart Wellington

[7:13] Yeah, I mean, ever since they snubbed Angus Grimm, I have realized that it's all bullshit that we live in a world of chaos and nothing matters.

Elliott Kalan

[7:23] I mean, they should have had him for sure.

[7:25] Yes.

[7:25] But, like, the – that, like, this was a year when – I mean, they rightly gave Sidney Poitier his due, you know, as one of the great, you know, figures in screen history.

[7:33] But, like, I know nobody remembers who he is, but, like, John Paul Belmondo shows up in the middle, one of the big stars of the French New Wave.

[7:39] He was an international icon at the time when, like, our grandparents were young adults watching movies.

[7:46] And it's like, oh, I guess he just gets a picture for a moment, huh?

[7:48] Like, this is a guy who was the personification of French film for the time when French film mattered in the United States.

Stuart Wellington

[7:55] But on the other hand, we got a full performance of We Don't Talk About Bruno, a song that was not nominated.

[8:03] Well, that's the thing.

Elliott Kalan

[8:04] With new lyrics.

[8:06] We've got to talk about what everyone's talking about, the slap in the face, which is the huge slap in the face to Lin-Manuel Miranda once again getting shut out of the Oscars.

[8:14] He does not win Oscars.

[8:16] Sorry, sir.

[8:18] Incredibly talented, but it's like they keep dangling an EGOT in front of him and then pulling it away at the last minute.

[8:22] Yep, yeah.

[8:23] Although I have to admit, so when I didn't know the nominees for Best Original Song Ahead of Time and then No Time to Die won, and I was like, yeah, that was the best part of that movie was that song.

[8:31] You did deserve to win that.

[8:33] I kind of like that movie.

[8:35] Yeah, well, I thought it was an okay movie, but I thought the song was deserved to be a better Bond movie.

[8:39] It's a great song.

Dan McCoy

[8:39] It's certainly a strong Bond song.

[8:42] Like, for, like, I think that for years people have been seeking for a way to have that classic Bond sound while still feeling somewhat contemporary, and only a few times has it been successful.

Elliott Kalan

[8:55] Yeah, it takes Billie Eilish and her brother to pull it off.

Stuart Wellington

[8:57] Since we're talking about original songs, can I talk about how fucking weird it was that they chose when Daniel Kaluuya walked out to present, they played Africa by Toto, and then when Stephanie Beatriz walked out, they played Lies La Bonita, both of which felt fucking gross.

Elliott Kalan

[9:14] Well, I think we have, the Oscars is like ground zero for Hollywood being still a white male power structure but trying desperately to look like it is not.

[9:25] And so it's like, yeah, yeah, we're all about diversity here.

[9:30] What's a good song for him to come out?

[9:33] Yeah, yeah, Africa by Toto.

[9:34] Why would that be problematic?

[9:35] I don't understand.

[9:37] Or like, I thought it was very weird that they were like, okay, here's a salute to, you know, 50 years of The Godfather.

[9:45] It's like, okay, that makes sense.

[9:47] Here's a salute to another thing.

[9:49] All right, I guess so.

[9:50] Here's a salute to 28 years of Pulp Fiction.

[9:52] And it's like, well, you just had the stars of Pulp Fiction available.

[9:56] Like, 28 is a weird anniversary.

[9:58] Yeah.

[9:59] It reminds me of the year a couple years ago when they were like, and now a tribute to Chicago's 10th anniversary of winning Best Picture.

Dan McCoy

[10:08] I hope you can celebrate my 44th anniversary of life this summer.

[10:16] Everyone join me.

[10:19] Yeah, I mean, I think that also like that music thing is, Hollywood is known definitely for nothing if not on the nose needle drops.

[10:30] And what could be more Hollywood than the Academy Award.

[10:33] I feel like there's just like, get the guy in who does it for all the trailers.

Stuart Wellington

[10:38] Dan, are you talking about Cruella?

[10:39] Who knows I feel good in there or whatever.

[10:41] What?

[10:42] I said, are you talking about Cruella again?

Dan McCoy

[10:46] I'm one of the few I feel like will stand up.

[10:48] I'm signing it up for Cruella.

[10:49] Who will join me?

[10:51] You mean?

[10:52] I mean, win an Academy Award, Dan.

[10:53] All right.

Stuart Wellington

[10:54] Win an Academy Award for costumes.

[10:55] Never mind.

[10:56] I hate it now.

[10:57] Yeah.

[10:57] And she, so, so I've been, I've been reading.

[11:01] I just finished reading that the new making of Mad Max Fury Road book, which Dan got me for my birthday.

[11:07] It's great.

[11:08] And the section, the chapter where they're talking about the award season, the first, first off the Academy Awards that year were hosted by Chris Rock.

[11:18] And the first award that Fury Road won that night was for costumes.

[11:24] And it was, man, I can't remember her name.

[11:28] Is it like Jenny Beavens?

[11:30] Something like that?

[11:32] Janine Costumes.

[11:34] It's somewhere in between those two things.

[11:37] Because.

Elliott Kalan

[11:38] Somewhere in between a real name and a fake joke name.

Stuart Wellington

[11:41] Yeah.

[11:42] And she's, she's great.

[11:43] Like she's a distinctive person and it was great to see.

[11:46] I don't know.

[11:46] It's, it was just a weird tie in between those two things.

Dan McCoy

[11:49] Well, also like it became clearer seeing her win again that, you know, the, the, the way that she dresses to the movie that she is nominated for.

[12:00] Because the first time around she had a Mad Maxie thing on, but I have.

Elliott Kalan

[12:05] She had no, she had one arm.

[12:07] She had replaced one of her arms with a robot arm.

[12:09] Oh, but.

Dan McCoy

[12:10] No, it was a very Mad Max kind of like Oscars outfit.

[12:15] But honestly, like, I think that I apologize for this.

[12:20] Our, my at least vision of Australia has been shaped so much by Mad Max movies that it like almost didn't register.

[12:30] I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure.

[12:30] She's from Australia.

[12:32] She's wearing his clothes.

[12:33] Yeah.

[12:34] Yeah.

[12:34] The post-apocalyptic country.

[12:35] Whereas now.

[12:36] That's what she wears for.

[12:37] It's considered formal wear.

[12:39] Cruella.

[12:40] And I'm like, oh, okay.

[12:41] I see the bit.

[12:42] Like you've created the pattern now.

[12:44] I see what's going on.

Elliott Kalan

[12:46] Dan, when you said a very, very Mad Max, it made me think of a movie called It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Max.

[12:52] And now I want to see a Fury Road poster in the Jack Davis style with all the characters chasing Max and Furios.

[12:58] And they're all characters.

Stuart Wellington

[12:59] I mean, if that hasn't already been done, it would be, it's a great idea.

[13:03] And I feel like Tom Fowler should get on that.

Elliott Kalan

[13:06] Yeah.

[13:06] Actually, Tom Fowler should get on that.

[13:07] Tom Fowler, why haven't you done a Jack Davis style poster for It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Max?

Stuart Wellington

[13:11] Tom Fowler, hit us up.

Elliott Kalan

[13:13] Come on, Tom Fowler, do it already.

[13:15] You need to.

[13:16] There is a, I think, so it was interesting.

[13:18] Dune was very much the Fury Road of this year where it was like, you're going to win all the technical awards.

[13:23] And you're not going to win.

[13:25] I think Fury Road is a better movie than Dune.

[13:26] Fury Road is a movie that like, every time I watch it, I'm like, I just experienced something I can't fully describe in words.

[13:32] And Dune is a really fun movie.

Stuart Wellington

[13:33] Yeah, Fury Road is like, I'm experiencing something I've never experienced before.

[13:38] And Dune, to me, felt like this is a perfect encapsulation of something that I've seen a million times before.

[13:45] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[13:45] There's a certain aspect of it where it's like, what if Star Wars never left tattooing?

[13:49] It's Dune.

[13:52] It was exciting to see Licorice Pizza not win anything since the more I, the farther I get from that movie, the less I like it.

Dan McCoy

[14:01] It's one of my top ones of the year.

Elliott Kalan

[14:04] Well, we can agree to disagree because we're friends and we're just different people that can agree on different things.

[14:09] I know.

[14:09] It's true.

Stuart Wellington

[14:10] I mean, I was obviously disappointed that Worst Person in the World did not win either of the awards it was nominated for since that was my favorite movie of the year.

[14:19] And it should have gotten extra awards.

[14:20] They should have invented new awards for it.

[14:22] But that's okay.

[14:24] And I'm glad that the Palme d'Or winner won Best Picture, right?

Elliott Kalan

[14:28] Yeah, that's right.

[14:29] Palme d'Or winner, Coda.

[14:31] There's something – this is something that made me madder and madder after the Oscars when I was doing the dishes because out here in L.A., the Oscars are over pretty early.

[14:40] I was like –

[14:41] You're bragging about time zones.

[14:43] Yeah, deal with it.

[14:45] I wasn't tired.

[14:46] I wasn't even going to bed yet.

[14:47] It was only like 8 o'clock.

[14:48] It was 9 o'clock I guess.

Stuart Wellington

[14:50] And you have a 10 o'clock bedtime because you're a big boy.

Elliott Kalan

[14:53] Yeah, I get to stay up late.

[14:56] Sometimes I have a drink of water before I go to bed.

Stuart Wellington

[14:58] Oh, man.

[15:00] That's because your parents trust you.

Elliott Kalan

[15:02] Well, it's because they trained me using Snake Mountain to get me to not pee in bed.

[15:06] People who watch our Master of the Universe show will know what I'm talking about.

[15:09] So Coda won, and I was like, oh, okay.

[15:12] I guess it did win.

[15:12] The movie that I could not leave my house without seeing a dozen for your consideration advertisements everywhere for.

[15:19] It was advertised – L.A. was blanketed with vote for Coda ads.

[15:23] But then watching it, I was like, oh, okay.

[15:26] So it won.

[15:27] I guess it's like a feel-good movie.

[15:28] People need to feel good.

[15:29] And as the night went on and I did those dishes, glasses and plates were cracking under my grip as it got more and more angry.

[15:36] As I thought about the incredible lack of ambition of that movie and how they're like, oh, yeah, best picture of the year.

[15:42] We're going to give it to this movie that is not trying to do anything new or different or original and is the kind of thing that you could watch probably on the Hallmark channel.

[15:50] And you wouldn't have to change anything, you know, which is not to say it's bad.

[15:54] It's a well-crafted feel-good, you know, movie.

Dan McCoy

[15:57] I think you need to clarify that it's not doing anything new or original stylistically or narratively.

[16:05] Like in terms of like –

Elliott Kalan

[16:06] Yeah, as opposed to all the other things that happen in movies aside from narrative and style.

Dan McCoy

[16:09] Well, no, I mean like there are like – I think there is a genuine like – this is the first deaf actor to win an award for this kind of performance.

[16:18] Like there is an issue of like –

[16:20] Did Marlee Matlin not win for Best Actress?

[16:21] No, no, no.

[16:21] Depth Actor.

[16:22] I'm sure she did.

[16:24] The Oscars separate actor and actress into separate categories, Elliot.

[16:31] But I don't, Dan.

[16:32] I don't.

[16:33] Thank you, Elliot.

[16:34] I am just pointing out that that is what I was – that's why I was saying it that way.

Elliott Kalan

[16:40] No, I'm just saying in terms of like –

[16:41] And I thought he was really good.

[16:42] I loved the – I thought the performances were all good in it.

[16:44] It's not a bad movie.

[16:46] It's a nice, you know, sweet little, you know, regular old movie that's – you know, the minute she – it opens in the beginning and they're like, we're having trouble with our fishing boat and I want to sing.

[16:57] By the end of that movie, you know they're going to stop having trouble with that fishing boat and she's going to sing.

Stuart Wellington

[17:01] I mean, in a year when Benedetta, a movie that is better than Coda, did not even crack my top ten.

Elliott Kalan

[17:09] I mean, I find – you knew that Benedetta was not going to be in the Oscars if only for the –

Stuart Wellington

[17:15] You don't know what I know, Elliot.

[17:17] That's good.

[17:17] That's a good point.

Dan McCoy

[17:18] That's a good point.

[17:21] Yeah, don't take his naivete away from him.

[17:26] It's one of his most appealing features.

Stuart Wellington

[17:29] Keep those scales on my fucking eyes, buddy.

Elliott Kalan

[17:33] And I was not – and I certainly would have been more mad if like – again, like I said, Licorice Pizza had won this picture.

[17:38] If fucking Don't Look Up won, I would have just pushed my TV over.

[17:44] I still haven't seen Don't Look Up yet.

Dan McCoy

[17:45] We were saying things that we liked about the Oscars before and I really enjoyed how me and Amy Schumer got about Don't Look Up.

Stuart Wellington

[17:53] What was she saying?

[17:54] Because I didn't see that part.

[17:54] And being the Ricardos.

Dan McCoy

[17:56] I mean, I will butcher any attempt at recreating the joke, but it was just pointing out that –

Elliott Kalan

[18:01] Well, what was that Chris Rock joke you said you wanted to – you said there was a Chris Rock joke you really wanted to repeat?

Dan McCoy

[18:06] Yeah, I'll tell you first, Elliot.

[18:08] Wow.

[18:10] Anyway, we should take a break to do ads because that's a thing that we do on this show is we have sponsors.

[18:19] Unlikely though, it may seem.

Elliott Kalan

[18:20] I do want to say it is another – this is a very quick thing.

[18:23] It is another symptom of the like how do we get people who don't like movies to watch the Oscars-itis that it did seem like the hosts were doing a lot of like shitting on the movies.

[18:30] And it's like if I'm watching this, it's because I like movies.

[18:34] Like I want to celebrate movies.

Dan McCoy

[18:35] No, I agree with that in general, just specifically.

[18:39] I was happy about Don't Look Up.

[18:41] Okay, so let's sponsor it up.

[18:44] Our first sponsor is Don't Look Up.

[18:46] No.

Elliott Kalan

[18:47] Oh, no.

[18:48] I have to read what it says.

[18:49] A great movie deserving of all the Oscars.

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Stuart Wellington

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Stuart Wellington

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[22:39] Well, I'm not here to talk about that.

[22:41] No?

[22:42] Okay.

[22:42] I'm here to talk about micro dosing.

[22:46] Have you guys ever tried micro dosing?

[22:49] Well, I'm going to talk about it right now.

[22:51] Really fast?

[22:51] Are you going to talk really fast about it?

[22:53] I'm going to speak at completely normal speed about it.

Dan McCoy

[22:56] If you want to hear it sped up, you can use your iPhone or a smartphone of any kind, Samsung, I don't care, function to hit the old double speed option on the app.

Elliott Kalan

[23:09] I mean, let me give you the truth.

[23:11] I only listen to podcasts on that double speed.

Dan McCoy

[23:13] I'm just saying you can circumvent Stewart's express wishes by hitting that button.

Stuart Wellington

[23:18] Yeah, just crank it up to a million or whatever.

[23:22] Yeah.

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[24:44] Well, Allie, do you have anything?

[24:47] Aye.

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Stuart Wellington

[25:13] Apparently, Haterade is a sponsor as well.

[25:17] So now that we're back to talking about these Oscars.

[25:20] Yeah.

[25:21] Fashion do's and don'ts, Dan?

Dan McCoy

[25:26] I, you know, the only thing I can remember now, and it was only because a friend was impressed, I used the term pencil skirt to describe it, was Uma Thurman's plain white blouse and black skirt.

[25:44] But she looked great.

[25:45] Oh, you know who looked great?

[25:46] You got Kristen Stewart had the crazy short shorts.

[25:50] Crazy shorts.

[25:52] Nice gams.

[25:54] Is that creepy?

[25:55] I feel like it was creepier than I intended.

[25:57] Just looked nice.

Stuart Wellington

[25:58] It was a little creepy, I think.

[26:00] Yeah.

[26:00] I mean, it's kind of expected.

[26:01] It's fine.

[26:03] Yeah, it was like PG creepy.

[26:06] Okay, cool.

Elliott Kalan

[26:06] And what do you guys think about the, this is off the topic of fashion, but what do you guys think about the biggest upset of the night?

[26:12] I think this took everyone by surprise.

[26:14] The winner of the Oscars fan favorite contest.

[26:16] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[26:17] Spider-Man No Way Home coming in at fourth place.

[26:19] And at first place, that hit film, Army of the Dead.

Stuart Wellington

[26:24] That was so crazy, man.

[26:28] Do you think, do you think, do you think Zack Snyder ever gets worried that his fans might be too intense?

Elliott Kalan

[26:34] I think he, I think he might be, if only because also in the Oscars cheer moment, first place went to Zack Snyder's Justice League.

Stuart Wellington

[26:42] The best part about it is when, when the moment, I feel like you did a disservice by not specifying the moment.

[26:48] Yeah, the moment.

[26:49] The Flash enters the speed force.

Elliott Kalan

[26:52] It is the moment when the Flash enters the speed force.

[26:54] It's, it is, this is, this is a part of the show I think I must have missed.

[26:57] I just saw it on the Wikipedia entry here.

[26:59] That it was, number one, Flash enters the speed force.

[27:01] Number two, three Spider-Men in Spider-Man No Way Home.

[27:04] Number three, Avengers assemble to fight Thanos.

[27:06] Avengers Endgame.

[27:07] Now again, these are not like that, these are not really the most momentous moments of film history, but they're recent things.

[27:12] Number four, the song, and I'm telling you I'm not going from Dreamgirls.

[27:16] Number five, Neo dodging a bullet in the Matrix.

[27:19] And I was like, who made the nominees for this?

Stuart Wellington

[27:22] Like, I don't understand.

[27:24] And what I love is that after seeing the number one cheer moment in the history of motion pictures, we are greeted with a completely silent audience.

Dan McCoy

[27:36] Oh, maybe the theater.

[27:37] I was going to say, Stuart, I mean, it's lucky that Elliot wasn't watching because, of course, there was the deafening cheer that rocked America.

[27:46] Because everyone saw Flash enter the speed force.

Elliott Kalan

[27:50] I heard this cheer go up, and my windows started shaking.

[27:54] And I said, is this the big quake that we've been waiting for?

[27:57] The one that we've been overdue for for a hundred years?

[27:59] Oh, no, this is it.

[28:00] I better go rush to my children's room and wake them up so I can hug them one last time before the roof collapses in on us.

[28:06] And then the windows stop, and I said, oh, wait, that was just a cheer for the Flash entering the speed force.

Dan McCoy

[28:10] What I love about this being the number one stand-up and cheer moment.

[28:14] In all film forever.

[28:17] Well, I mean, can you think of a better one that makes you cheer harder than that?

[28:23] I can't.

[28:24] You're right.

[28:24] I can't.

[28:25] It's impossible.

[28:25] My love of it is that it's this very specific phrase, him entering the speed force, that, like, having seen the movie, I would never have been able to pull that phrase out of my brain.

[28:38] You know what?

Elliott Kalan

[28:39] I don't even remember exactly which time it is that the Flash enters the speed force.

[28:44] Of all the times that he moves real fast and things go slow around him.

[28:48] Yeah.

[28:48] Which one?

[28:48] Is it when he goes back in time?

[28:49] Is that the one?

[28:50] But is this like...

[28:51] The best part about it is that...

[28:52] Because then they should call it The Flash Goes Back in Time.

Stuart Wellington

[28:55] And the thing is, it happened, I believe that only happens in the Snyder Cut.

[29:00] So the cheer is happening at people's homes, not at movie theaters.

Elliott Kalan

[29:04] It never, but in a world where Coda wins Best Picture, a movie can be...

[29:07] I mean, I'm the last person to say that a movie has to be seen in a movie theater.

[29:11] Although it does feel like it is weird to cheer at home by yourself watching that, you know?

[29:15] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[29:16] Is this something...

[29:17] Is Speed Force like a thing from the comics?

[29:20] Yes, it is.

Elliott Kalan

[29:21] That's what makes the Flash run fast is he and other speedsters can tap into the speed force.

[29:25] And there's a great moment in the JLA Avengers comic where the Flash ends up on the Avengers Earth in the Marvel Universe.

[29:33] And he cannot run fast because the Marvel Universe does not have a speed force.

[29:36] Oh, shit.

Dan McCoy

[29:38] It's just funny to me because as someone who never read Flash comics...

Stuart Wellington

[29:43] As somebody who's never entered the speed force.

[29:46] Someone who never read Flash comics.

Elliott Kalan

[29:48] What if I...

[29:49] Let's see.

[29:49] What if I entered?

[29:50] I entered the dragon once.

[29:51] That was a mistake.

[29:52] Very dangerous.

Stuart Wellington

[29:54] But...

[29:54] I entered the void once.

[29:55] Do not recommend.

[29:57] No, no, no.

Dan McCoy

[29:57] No.

[29:58] Very disorienting and overwhelming.

[30:02] No, but I've seen these movies and I saw a few at least episodes.

[30:08] Once I entered the Sandman?

[30:12] I've seen some of the show.

[30:15] My point is just that this phrase sounds like something that was in like an instruction booklet.

[30:22] Now, step three, enter the speed force.

Elliott Kalan

[30:26] It's something you need to do to complete an algebra problem.

[30:30] Now you would enter the speed force for why.

Stuart Wellington

[30:33] It looks like when you get the trading card set from Zack Snyder's Justice League, you flip the card over and that's what it says is Flash enters the speed force.

[30:42] Yeah, and it's just a picture of him with glowy stuff all over.

Elliott Kalan

[30:44] Yeah.

[30:46] Yeah, that's...

[30:47] So anyway, that's the number one cheer moment in the history of filmmaking.

Stuart Wellington

[30:51] The fact that fucking Gizmo showing up and shooting the fucking spider gremlin wasn't the number one is crazy to me.

[30:59] I mean, that's pretty great.

[31:02] He looks like fucking Rambo, dude.

Elliott Kalan

[31:05] The gremlin blowing up in the microwave in the first gremlin.

[31:08] Or Gizmo showing up in that little Barbie car in the first movie.

[31:13] Number one and number two, first and second place, should both be Gizmo moments.

[31:16] Yeah.

[31:17] If not three.

[31:17] Yeah.

[31:18] I mean, you see him and he looks so badass.

Stuart Wellington

[31:21] Like, of course it's the number one.

Elliott Kalan

[31:23] It does.

[31:23] He looks like Rambo.

[31:25] His aim is impeccable.

[31:27] And that spider gremlin is just on fire.

[31:29] Like, he lights him on fire.

Stuart Wellington

[31:30] You see the spider gremlin and you're like, that thing's unstoppable.

Elliott Kalan

[31:33] It's like squirting out webs all over creation.

[31:36] It already trapped Carla in its web.

[31:39] Now it's got Billy too.

Dan McCoy

[31:40] Although, to be fair, Carla doesn't seem to be trying to get out that harsh.

[31:43] She's just sort of wrongly.

Elliott Kalan

[31:45] Struggling.

[31:46] Now you're blaming the victim, Dan.

[31:47] You're blaming the victim.

[31:49] Is she the greatest person in the world?

[31:51] Sure.

[31:51] She tried to seduce Billy, but that's nothing to do with anything.

Stuart Wellington

[31:54] I love Carla in that movie.

[31:56] I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[31:57] Take me to a Canadian restaurant, baby.

[32:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[32:00] I mean, I'm already going to that Canadian restaurant on a date with the lady gremlin.

Elliott Kalan

[32:05] Yeah, yeah.

[32:06] That's good.

[32:06] Well, Robert Picardo has something to say about that.

[32:09] That's true.

[32:10] He's cooler than me.

Stuart Wellington

[32:12] I've seen him in interspace.

[32:14] He looks incredible.

Elliott Kalan

[32:14] The fact that the Oscar fan favorite and the Oscars cheer moment of all time were both from Zack Snyder films does nothing to make me doubt the efficacy of these poll-related contests.

Dan McCoy

[32:27] It's so funny.

[32:29] Yeah, I was seeing some articles about it being like—

[32:31] I honestly want more of these.

[32:33] How did the Oscars not realize that having Twitter polls is just going to mobilize the strangest corners of the internet?

Elliott Kalan

[32:43] I think they were like, we don't care.

[32:46] If it gets these people to watch our show so that we can juke the stats and make it seem like more people are interested in this, they're like, look, as long as we do not have to put Elaine May on television giving a speech for her very deserved honorary Academy Award, then we'll be fine.

[33:04] What nonsense can we put on TV so that we don't have to put Elaine May and Liv Ullman on American television screens?

Stuart Wellington

[33:10] I think they should have taken it one step farther and let these Twitter polls vote for presenters so we finally could have had Gabriel from Malignant present an award.

[33:23] You know, this year they didn't have an animated character alongside a live-action character.

[33:30] Yeah, that always kills.

[33:31] That's true.

Elliott Kalan

[33:32] You know that at some point someone suggested having Bruno on there predicting what winners there would be and getting, you know, and everyone going, shh, Bruno, Bruno, you can't say that or something like that.

[33:44] You know, but I assume they nixed that because, um, I don't know.

Stuart Wellington

[33:49] Wait, I actually, I don't know that much about Encanto because I was too busy watching Mitchells vs. the Machines.

[33:54] Did I?

Dan McCoy

[33:55] You backed the wrong horse, my friend, if you wanted to watch one of the Oscar winners.

[33:59] I mean, in terms of enjoyment, I think he backed the correct horse.

[34:02] Canto's fine, but it's no, uh.

Elliott Kalan

[34:05] At least, at least this means the Mitchells vs. the Machines will stop filling my Twitter feed with promoted ads telling me how much Guillermo del Toro liked the Mitchells vs. the Machines.

[34:13] I mean, it's a good movie.

[34:14] You should watch it, dude.

[34:16] I will watch it at some point, but I'm one of those guys who, like, the more you advertise a movie to me, the less likely I am to go watch it.

[34:21] Yeah.

[34:21] The more tired I get to it.

[34:22] That's why I try not to watch the trailers for movies I want to see because it's like, this is going to make me.

Dan McCoy

[34:27] That's why Elliot never met Dave, even though he was told repeatedly, you know, you got to meet Dave.

Elliott Kalan

[34:33] Well, the thing is, I already saw Dave, and I'm seeing these ads for Meet Dave, and I'm like, I met Dave.

[34:38] Yeah.

[34:38] I saw Dave.

Stuart Wellington

[34:39] What's so sad is you're never going to meet Michael Morbius.

[34:43] I mean, they keep pushing that movie's release date.

Elliott Kalan

[34:49] It's possible none of us will ever meet Michael Morbius.

Stuart Wellington

[34:52] Such a travesty.

[34:54] I mean, it seems for the best.

Dan McCoy

[34:56] I really get the feeling he'd suck my blood.

Elliott Kalan

[35:00] But he'd try not to.

[35:01] He'd try to fight it as best as he can.

[35:03] I mean, the problem is, if he met Jared Leto, he'd also try to suck your blood.

[35:06] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[35:07] Regardless of being a vampire.

[35:09] For, you know, research for a part.

[35:11] Yeah.

[35:13] Weirdly, though, the part is not a vampire.

Elliott Kalan

[35:16] No, no, it's for Dallas Buyers Club 2.

[35:21] Mm-hmm.

[35:22] Now, guys, were there any movies that you hadn't seen, and you saw them win Oscars or get nominated,

[35:27] and you were like, oh, I'm interested in that now.

[35:29] Now I want to see it.

Dan McCoy

[35:30] I will say that I finally watched Coda because it was nominated for an award, and I enjoyed seeing Coda.

[35:37] Again, I understand I would like to see something a little more cinematically daring, stylistically.

Elliott Kalan

[35:44] I mean, again, like, not even, or even like, I mean, Coda is not a bad movie.

[35:47] That's why I kind of feel bad about getting frustrated, because it's not a bad movie.

[35:51] No, I liked it quite a bit.

[35:52] But it's the, so this is a spoiler for our next regular episode, the movie I'm probably going to recommend.

[35:58] I watched this movie called I Was a Simple Man.

[36:02] That's a movie about this old man in Hawaii is dying, and he's kind of reliving his life out of order,

[36:08] and his family is kind of experiencing memories as they go through it, and it gets very surreal at some times and not at other times.

[36:14] And it is just so beautifully gorgeous, and it also is a movie that does not look like it had a big budget.

[36:20] Like, but it looks like a movie, and it feels like a movie.

[36:22] When I was watching Coda, I was like, this movie doesn't look or feel like a movie.

[36:25] Like, it's just kind of, there's nothing, there's nothing beautiful about it.

[36:30] And I don't mean that it has to have, like, sweeping landscapes or whatever.

[36:33] Like, you can have a beauty in, the way that I feel like, you know, a movie like, like, Chan is Missing or something.

[36:42] Like, a very independent movie can also be a beautiful movie just because it looks like a movie, you know?

S5

[36:46] But with Coda, it was just kind of like, yeah, we're telling you this story.

Elliott Kalan

[36:49] Here you go.

[36:50] There's this thing.

[36:50] Let's move on to the next part.

[36:52] Okay, this thing.

[36:53] Yeah.

[36:53] And it just felt like the movie was, could have gone a little deeper for it to be named Best Picture.

[36:58] But as a movie as it is, it's fine.

[37:00] It's fine.

[37:01] But when people are now going to be, forever, people are going to be like, yeah, well, that was the best picture of 2021, 2022.

[37:06] Yeah.

[37:07] It's just scientific fact, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[37:09] I hope that this, that it winning will finally push me to get around to watching Summer of Soul.

Elliott Kalan

[37:18] Summer of Soul is really good.

Stuart Wellington

[37:19] Yeah, I think I'll like it.

[37:20] I just, it's always hard for me to get around to watching documentaries.

Elliott Kalan

[37:24] And Summer of Soul is one that, like, that's another one where, like, stylistically, it's not really doing anything out of the ordinary.

[37:30] But the story it's telling is so interesting and the footage is just so amazing and it looks so great.

[37:36] Like, it feels like you're experiencing that concert, you know, in person while you're watching it.

[37:42] So, it's really good.

[37:44] It's worth it just for the music alone.

[37:46] Although someone once said, they were like, oh, well, if you want to win a documentary Academy Award, it should either be about the Holocaust or about music performers.

[37:54] And that seems to be the way it works a lot of the time.

[37:56] But that being said, it is really good.

Dan McCoy

[37:59] I haven't said anything for a ways, and that's just because I've been looking through the movies that were nominated,

[38:05] trying to answer your question.

[38:07] And, like, other than, like I said, I, you know, I watched Coda because it suddenly became the front runner.

[38:13] And I watched...

Elliott Kalan

[38:14] Well, you also thought it was about Kathie Lee and Coda.

Dan McCoy

[38:17] Yeah.

[38:17] And I watched...

[38:18] And you love them.

[38:19] I watched Don't Look Up out of morbid curiosity once it started being taken seriously, and I shouldn't have done that.

Elliott Kalan

[38:27] Should I?

[38:28] So, I still haven't watched it yet.

[38:29] Should I watch it or should I not watch it?

Dan McCoy

[38:30] Only if, for some reason, we decide to do it for the show.

[38:35] Okay.

[38:36] For Oscar nominees edition.

[38:39] Yeah.

[38:39] Yep.

Stuart Wellington

[38:40] Yeah.

[38:41] And what was...

[38:43] Was Teton nominated for Best Picture?

Elliott Kalan

[38:46] No, Teton wasn't nominated for anything.

[38:48] So, Stuart, what were some of the movies that you watched this past year that you really liked that you wish had been nominated?

[38:52] I mean, obviously, Pig, I know.

[38:54] You were disappointed.

[38:55] Of course.

[38:55] I wasn't nominated for anything.

Stuart Wellington

[38:57] Pig, Green Knight wasn't nominated for anything.

[39:01] Not even fucking production design.

[39:03] Like, what the fuck's wrong with you?

[39:04] Green Knight.

[39:04] I think it's, yeah, my top of the year.

[39:07] So, yeah, I'm mad at that one.

Elliott Kalan

[39:08] I still haven't seen Green Knight.

[39:10] I got to...

[39:10] That and Last Duel, I still need to see.

[39:11] I haven't seen any of the Knight movies from last year.

Stuart Wellington

[39:14] I am...

[39:16] Let's see.

[39:18] Oh, like Last Duel.

[39:19] Like, I would have loved Last Duel to get a nom.

[39:21] I think it's great.

[39:23] And I'm surprised that you didn't get a Best Actor nomination.

[39:25] I'm surprised that you're looking for, what's his name in Red Rocket with the big ding-dong?

[39:30] Simon Rex.

[39:31] He's great.

[39:32] Simon Rex is great in that movie.

[39:33] He plays a fucking terrible piece of shit, but he is compelling enough that you want to

[39:38] watch the whole movie with him.

[39:39] It's like Uncut Gems.

Elliott Kalan

[39:40] I mean, Denzel Washington got nominated for playing a piece of shit in Tragedy of Macbeth.

[39:44] That Macbeth is not a good dude.

[39:46] I was disappointed he didn't win that award because the way he delivers the Tomorrow and

[39:51] Tomorrow and Tomorrow speech, I thought was so great because I'd never seen it done that

[39:55] way before.

[39:55] Every other way I've seen an actor do that, they're genuinely grieving for the death of

[39:59] Lady Macbeth.

[40:00] And in this version, he's so far gone that he's just so irritated that she's dying at

[40:04] this moment.

[40:05] Yeah.

[40:05] And he's like, yeah, I'll deal with it another time.

[40:06] Who cares?

[40:07] She dies.

[40:08] Everybody dies.

[40:08] I'll deal with it later.

[40:09] Like, the way he just tosses it off, I thought was amazing.

[40:12] But that Macbeth, not a good dude.

[40:14] Thumbs down.

[40:15] Let's cancel Macbeth.

[40:16] Thumbs down.

[40:17] Yeah, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[40:18] The nines are out for him.

[40:20] Looking over this last year, I agree on the Green Knight.

[40:23] I liked the Knight House quite a bit.

[40:26] It's not the sort of thing that ever really gets nominations, although Rebecca Hall's-

[40:30] Big year for night.

[40:31] Big year for night related things.

[40:34] But just on a personal level, I liked that one a lot.

[40:39] Sorry.

Elliott Kalan

[40:41] I don't have much else to say.

[40:42] I mean, it was gratifying that Dear Evan Hansen wasn't nominated for anything, right?

Stuart Wellington

[40:46] Oh, thank God.

[40:47] It still kind of stings that Being the Ricardos got nominations.

Elliott Kalan

[40:53] That's one of those ones where it was- I mean, if Coda is unambitious, I feel like Being the Ricardos is even less ambitious.

[41:00] Like, Coda felt like a TV movie.

[41:01] Being the Ricardos felt like a TV show that was, like, pumped up to a big-

[41:05] And as much as I love J.K. Simmons-

Stuart Wellington

[41:07] And like a network TV show.

[41:10] I would-

Elliott Kalan

[41:10] Yeah.

[41:11] As much as I love J.K. Simmons, when I found out he was nominated for Best Supporting Actor, I was like, really?

[41:16] For that?

[41:16] I mean, like, I love J.K. Simmons, but he doesn't really have much to do in it.

[41:20] And he's just kind of doing the same thing throughout the whole thing.

[41:23] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[41:23] Well, I would argue that, if anything, Being the Ricardos is an advertisement for, like, how maybe, like, you're undervaluing Coda a little bit.

[41:32] Because, like, Coda took a very sort of standard script structure, and I got frustrated with some of the things in the second act that felt like the plot kicking into gear.

[41:45] But at every turn, I felt like, oh, that was just, like, a slightly better, smarter, like, more sensitive choice than I was expecting.

[41:56] Whereas Being the Ricardos at every point was, like, let's make the, like, most obvious, you know, false choice.

[42:05] Like, the least realistic kind of version of the story.

Elliott Kalan

[42:10] Like, Coda is not cinematically ambitious, but it's almost like Being the Ricardos is ambitious in the opposite direction, where they're like, uh, Desi Arnaz is calling up everyone in Congress to get to J. Edgar Hoover to clear Lucy's name.

[42:24] We don't need to see any of that.

[42:25] Let's just have him mention that he did it.

[42:27] And how can we have a climactic ending?

[42:30] Should he give a big speech, a big, dramatic, rousing speech?

[42:33] No.

[42:33] We'll have somebody else say something over a telephone.

[42:35] Like, it's like, it is, like, Brechtian in the way it is deliberately avoiding the things that a drama is supposed to deliver.

[42:42] Like, excitement and suspense and emotions, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[42:45] Hey, did y'all, uh, so Coda won best adapted screenplay against what I would describe as stiff cutters.

[42:54] Competition.

[42:55] Yeah.

[42:56] Did you guys see Belfast?

Elliott Kalan

[42:58] No, I haven't seen it yet, and I really want to see it.

Dan McCoy

[43:00] I haven't seen it yet.

[43:01] Yeah, I didn't see it either, you know.

[43:04] John, who listeners know from doing a lot of our animations for the live show, saw it with his partner, and they both liked it.

[43:20] But, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[43:21] I mean, the Academy liked it enough to give it best original screenplay.

[43:27] Again, it felt like in both categories, it felt like safer choices, although I have not seen Belfast, so I can't really comment on it.

Elliott Kalan

[43:35] You would have much rather don't look up one for best original screenplay, you're saying.

Stuart Wellington

[43:40] It was nominated, you're right.

[43:43] And you would have preferred Licorice Pizza to be nominated.

Elliott Kalan

[43:46] No, thank you.

[43:47] I mean, here's, I was surprised Licorice Pizza wasn't nominated for any, it wasn't nominated for any acting awards, right?

[43:54] Like, that was the strength of that movie.

[43:57] That and the look of the movie were the strength, and it wasn't nominated for those things.

[44:00] It was nominated for the script, which was a kind of rambling, shambling, you know, thing that built to the message that grown women and teenagers should run off together.

[44:13] And it was nominated for Best Picture.

Stuart Wellington

[44:15] Yeah, yeah, dude, it's fucking Phantom Menace.

[44:20] Or arguably Attack of the Clones.

Elliott Kalan

[44:23] I mean, they don't get together until Attack of the Clones.

Stuart Wellington

[44:27] And Alana Haim would have been Best Actress, right?

[44:30] Not Supporting, she's the lead in that movie, right?

[44:32] She's the lead, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[44:33] I would call her the lead, yeah.

[44:34] Although, you never know, it's like how Frances McDormand won for Best Supporting Actress for Fargo, but she's, even though she doesn't come in for like the first half hour, she's clearly the lead of that movie also.

[44:43] Yeah.

[44:44] You know, her and William H. Macy have like the same amount of screen time.

Dan McCoy

[44:46] Sometimes they kick people down, you know, for strategic reasons when it comes to campaigning.

[44:50] Yeah, because they think they'll have a better chance.

[44:51] Yeah.

[44:52] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[44:52] Well, and Best Actress was a kind of weird category because none of those roles were from Best Picture-nominated films.

Elliott Kalan

[45:02] Yeah.

[45:03] I mean, it shows you, this was a weird year in that like, there was nothing, even in the nominations, there was nothing that was kind of like sweeping the big awards.

[45:11] And when you look at it, like, Dune won the most awards, and most of those are technical.

[45:15] And like, Coda won the second most, and then The Eyes of Tammy Faye won the third most with two awards.

[45:21] And then you have all these movies that won one award, and that's it.

[45:24] This was a year, I think, where Hollywood was, I mean, as it should be.

[45:28] The past couple years have been years where the world has been struggling.

[45:31] This was the past couple years when Hollywood was struggling.

[45:33] And here's my overall thesis on that.

[45:35] You guys want to hear it?

[45:36] Sure.

[45:36] Drop it off.

[45:37] You guys want to hear it?

[45:38] You wrote it all out.

[45:39] Let's fucking hear it.

[45:40] I wrote it out in my brain.

[45:42] The fact that the kinds of movies that the Oscars are kind of made for, there's two kinds of movies.

[45:49] There's big spectacle experiences that you can only get at the movies.

[45:53] And then there are the kinds of like, probing or even just like, standard dramas where people are acting out big emotions.

[46:01] And Hollywood, in terms of theatrical releases, has more or less turned its back on that second type of movie.

[46:07] And to be honest, even the first type a little bit.

[46:09] They give us a lot of big special effects spectacles that you can only do in the movies.

[46:13] But very rarely is it something like Fury Road where you're like, oh, I just went through a thing I've never been through before.

[46:19] Like, there was an intensity of that that I can't get anywhere else.

[46:22] And like I saw a vision of a strange world or a new type of character or something like that.

[46:27] And so a lot of the kinds of movies that traditionally get nominated for Academy Awards are just not being made as much.

[46:35] They're either legacy products from people like Steven Spielberg or Guillermo del Toro that can get things made if they push hard enough.

[46:41] Or stuff through, like the kinds of movies that used to be made through and put through the theaters.

[46:47] You're kind of like, you're on Golden Ponds and you're Moonstrux and things like that.

[46:52] Like, they either get made for streamers or not at all.

[46:55] And, or independently and they don't get noticed by many people.

[46:59] And so the Oscars kind of like, it's kind of, I think it feels like they're kind of scrambling to figure out what to nominate.

Dan McCoy

[47:04] Well, I mean, that's the thing.

[47:05] Like, that's why it feels like a weird year for you, I think, in many ways.

[47:09] Whereas, like, Coda is the sort of movie that used to get made in Hollywood more and nominated for Oscars.

Elliott Kalan

[47:19] I mean, I would say it's the kind of movie that, I would say it's the kind of movie that used to get made and not nominated for Oscars because there were so many of them.

[47:25] Right, right, right.

[47:26] Or maybe nominated for like an acting award or something.

Dan McCoy

[47:28] But now it's made, you know, like, you know, like it had, it's a big movie for what it is.

[47:37] But it was like, you know, only big because Sundance, like there's a huge bidding thing over it because it was such a crowd pleaser.

[47:45] And then it still ends up on streaming.

[47:48] So, of course, it like, it feels small because like these type of movies do end up on streaming.

[47:54] So, like, I feel like you're going to get even more complaints of the kind you're talking about, Elliot, where you're just like, why is this nominated movie like look so much like.

Elliott Kalan

[48:05] Well, I don't know.

[48:06] I mean, but TV has gotten so much more ambitious.

[48:09] Just like your average episode of like Yellow Jackets looks more like a movie to me than Coda does.

[48:14] I know.

Dan McCoy

[48:14] I'm just saying like there's just not the same rewards given for like putting style into it.

[48:23] Like, I think that streaming has flattened a lot of style out.

[48:27] And so now if things aren't going to go to like the movie theaters, like they end up looking a certain way.

[48:35] And I don't think it's like I hear what you're saying about shows.

[48:41] But I think that in a weird way that is like often more of a show thing now than it is like for like these movies that end up kind of going straight to streaming.

[48:52] Maybe I'm crazy.

Elliott Kalan

[48:52] I think I don't know.

[48:53] I think it's less that streaming has has squeezed out style and more that like the well, maybe it is.

[48:59] Maybe if you're making a movie on that.

[49:01] No, because it's not like it's not like Coda was made for streaming.

[49:04] Like it's an independent film.

[49:05] It was made as an indie film and then Apple bought it.

[49:09] But there's definitely a I feel like you used to have a you used to have more of that kind of movie where they were not huge budget productions.

[49:17] But they were, you know, those mid-level productions where you would get, you know, that certain movie ambition because people are still going to go to a movie theater and pay money to see it.

[49:29] And maybe you're right that on streaming, there's a little bit less of that because you don't have to you don't have to convince people to get out of their houses.

[49:34] Yeah.

[49:35] But I think about movies like Coda has so much in common with like Breaking Away and Good Will Hunting and like a lot of those types of movies.

[49:42] But each of those feel like movies, you know, and I guess part of me is trying to put my finger on that indefinable thing that why do those feel like movies to me and why does Coda not feel as much like a movie to me?

[49:52] Because now you're a cranky old guy.

[49:54] That's probably part of it.

[49:55] I mean Christopher Nolan would say because it's not shot on 35 millimeter film, but, you know, or 70 millimeter film, but I would disagree with that, you know.

[50:02] Yeah.

[50:03] Well.

[50:04] I guess what we're saying is best Oscars ever.

Dan McCoy

[50:06] Yeah.

[50:06] Best ever.

[50:07] You know, that was kind of philosophical and I'll tell you something.

[50:12] It's getting late here.

[50:14] Stewart's in a hotel room somewhere and I don't think that there's anything.

[50:17] We know where he is.

[50:18] Yeah.

[50:19] But set by Gator somewhere.

Elliott Kalan

[50:22] Stewart's just off somewhere in that strange land we call America.

[50:25] Yeah.

[50:26] And I don't think.

[50:27] And I don't think.

Elliott Kalan

[50:27] Roaming around like a Jack Reacher.

[50:29] Just the clothes on his back and the blood on his hands.

Dan McCoy

[50:33] And I can't think of anything else that we need to talk about for this Oscars.

[50:39] So.

Elliott Kalan

[50:39] I think I'll say.

[50:40] The one last thing I'll say is.

[50:41] Oh.

[50:42] We've had fun talking about the Oscars.

[50:43] But I want to remind everybody.

[50:44] The Oscars also don't matter at all.

[50:46] Yeah.

[50:46] They don't matter at all.

[50:46] As we all know.

[50:47] It's just an excuse to talk about movies.

Stuart Wellington

[50:49] Thanks.

[50:49] It's just an excuse.

Dan McCoy

[50:50] Thanks Elliot for that PSA.

[50:52] In case our listeners were about to go out and start experimenting with the Oscars.

Elliott Kalan

[50:56] Hey.

[50:57] Hey.

[50:57] This is.

[50:58] This.

[50:58] Hey.

[50:58] You want to try.

[50:59] So you hear Oscars are cool.

[51:00] Your friend tells you you should try an Oscar.

[51:02] But it's a good idea to rate art as if it's a competition that has an easy metric.

[51:07] Well.

[51:07] Let me ask you this.

[51:09] Hot shot.

[51:09] Do you like drugs too?

[51:11] Yeah.

[51:11] Because it's all so bad.

[51:13] That's the more you know.

[51:14] The more you know.

Dan McCoy

[51:16] Elliot.

[51:16] We need to talk to you about this the more you know you've scripted.

[51:19] Yeah.

[51:19] Let's talk about it.

[51:20] I was a little happy with the last one.

[51:21] What do you think?

[51:22] It walks this arcuitous route to maybe a questionable lesson.

Elliott Kalan

[51:27] Well.

[51:27] I'm saying that people you know should be wary of the Oscars.

[51:30] And also drugs are probably bad too.

[51:31] The more you know.

[51:32] Right?

Dan McCoy

[51:33] Yeah.

[51:33] It feels like you're trying to combine two separate.

[51:35] You know what?

[51:36] We'll have this talk later.

Elliott Kalan

[51:37] Look.

[51:38] Look.

[51:38] You told me.

[51:39] When you made me head of the more you know department.

[51:41] You said we're going to have to do more with less.

[51:43] And I'm trying my best man.

[51:44] I'm trying my best.

Dan McCoy

[51:45] Well.

[51:46] We're all trying our best.

[51:49] Including me to end this episode.

Stuart Wellington

[51:54] We're going to flop house.

[51:55] We stopped the fucking landing on that shit.

[51:57] For the flop house.

Elliott Kalan

[51:59] I think it was the moment when Dan.

[52:01] The listeners can see this.

[52:01] When he dramatically threw his scarf back around his neck.

[52:05] That gave him the power to do it.

[52:06] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[52:06] Yeah.

[52:08] Like an aviator.

[52:09] Yeah.

[52:10] Yeah.

[52:10] We have a regular Porco Rosso.

[52:14] A red pig?

Dan McCoy

[52:19] I've been Dan McCoy.

[52:21] Hey.

[52:22] I've been Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[52:24] And the winner of the other guy on the flop house is.

[52:28] Elliot Kalin.

[52:29] That's you.

Stuart Wellington

[52:31] Bullshit.

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FH Mini 52 - Oscars Roundup 2022

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