FH Mini 140 - Halloween Costumes on Film, with Hallie Haglund

[0:00] Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse Mini.

[0:08] It's the day after Halloween.

[0:11] So we're still doing Halloween stuff.

[0:15] If you're listening to this right now, you probably have a belly full of candy.

[0:19] You're still wearing whatever part of your Halloween costume you didn't have to take

[0:22] off to have sex in.

[0:23] But I want you to continue that half Halloween spirit through this episode.

[0:30] I'm joined, of course, by my post-Halloween ghoulish companions, Dan, Macabre McCoy, Bewart

[0:40] Spookyton, Stuart Wellington, and we're joined by a special guest, Howley Haglund, not puns

[0:51] exactly, just kind of a spooky way to pronounce the name.

[0:55] She like emphasized the howl and the hag part of it.

[1:00] That's fair.

[1:01] That's fair.

[1:02] I was born Halloween.

[1:03] I'm a born Halloween pun.

[1:05] I don't even have to try.

[1:07] That's true.

[1:08] Yeah.

[1:09] Halliween.

[1:10] Halliween.

[1:11] Oh, that's what we should have done.

[1:12] I should have done a mini where it was Halliween.

[1:13] And it's just all about we all dress as Hallie, you know, especially last week.

[1:17] We talked a lot about what Hallie used to dress like when she was young.

[1:20] Not now when she's even younger.

[1:21] I don't know how they do it.

[1:22] Yeah.

[1:23] Yeah.

[1:24] So I wanted to use this mini because Halloween, when you're listening to this episode, is

[1:28] technically probably over, but the Halloween spirit continues all year long, unless you're

[1:33] a Halloween spirit store, in which case you're closed for much of the year.

[1:36] But then you open up around, what, August, you know, all important stuff.

[1:41] Late July.

[1:42] Used to be a forever 21.

[1:46] It was.

[1:47] It's dead now.

[1:48] Forever.

[1:49] It didn't last as long as it used to.

[1:52] So they're dead forever 21.

[1:55] So I'm going to talk about Halloween movies, the Halloween movies, but not necessarily

[2:01] the Halloween movies you might be thinking of.

[2:05] So there's the Halloween movies.

[2:07] Yes.

[2:08] The series of films that are mostly about masked slasher Michael Myers, but for movies

[2:12] supposedly set on Saturday Night Live.

[2:14] Yes.

[2:15] Yes.

[2:16] Yeah.

[2:17] It's about Mike Myers after after the failure of the love guru goes on a slashing spree.

[2:21] Yeah.

[2:22] But he does it in the cat in the hat makeup.

[2:23] And with the Linda Rich.

[2:24] Oh, that is scary.

[2:25] Yeah.

[2:26] It's very scary.

[2:27] Murder.

[2:28] Did he marry one?

[2:29] He nearly married an ex.

[2:30] OK.

[2:31] Yeah.

[2:32] Although he doesn't.

[2:33] The movie, he doesn't really marry an ex-murderer.

[2:34] No.

[2:35] No.

[2:36] We don't want to spoil what the truth is.

[2:37] Well, the end of the twist ending of someone married an ex-murderer.

[2:42] There's a big sign up at the box that says does not actually marry ex-murderer.

[2:45] No refunds.

[2:48] But for movies supposedly set around Halloween, the so-called Halloween movies, they don't

[2:54] have a lot of the best part of Halloween, which is costumes.

[2:57] Right.

[2:58] There's the one Halloween movie set, the third one that's about the masks.

[3:01] Right.

[3:02] And Mike Myers wears a sheet in the first one at one point.

[3:05] But there's not really a lot of like Halloween dress up in the hall.

[3:08] Well, I mean, he's wearing a mask at all times as well.

[3:11] If you wear it at all times, it stops becoming a costume, just becomes his face.

[3:14] You know, it's a way of life.

[3:17] Don't we all wear masks?

[3:18] Albino William Shatner costume.

[3:19] Yeah.

[3:20] I feel like this.

[3:21] It's a it's not exactly it stops being a costume and just wear it all the time.

[3:25] Yeah.

[3:26] Like Rorschach.

[3:27] That's his real face.

[3:28] What's underneath it is the mask.

[3:29] True.

[3:30] True.

[3:31] So I wanted to talk about.

[3:32] Other movies set around Halloween that have Halloween costumes in them that really bring

[3:37] their costume game.

[3:38] So today on The Flophouse, I want to talk to you guys about these Halloween movies.

[3:42] And for each one, I want you to rate the costumes in the movie.

[3:45] And I want you to tell me, how would we turn this actual Halloween movie into a part of

[3:49] the Halloween movie franchise?

[3:51] How do we make this a Mike Myers Halloween movie?

[3:55] So I'm going to share some visuals with you that the audience at home will not see.

[3:58] But that's OK.

[3:59] I'm going to have describing Dan McCoy and and Stuart Wordpicture Wellington.

[4:06] And maybe perhaps even Hallie.

[4:07] Hey, can you tell us what this looks like?

[4:09] Haglund's telling us what these costumes look like and describing them.

[4:13] So let me just share this.

[4:15] Hold on.

[4:16] Oh, you know what?

[4:17] I have to open up this.

[4:18] Let me make this file.

[4:19] How much of this do you think Alex is keeping?

[4:22] Yes.

[4:23] Stretch this out.

[4:24] Yeah, that's great.

[4:25] That's good.

[4:26] I had it open before.

[4:27] So, Stuart, what are you up to?

[4:28] What's what you got on tap for the rest of the day?

[4:30] Yeah, well, I got to take a shower, probably hit the treadmill first.

[4:34] Yeah.

[4:35] In that order, probably.

[4:36] Yeah, probably.

[4:37] Then put on some clothes and then head to the Alamo Drafthouse where I'm watching Death

[4:43] Stalker for the how many times was the third time this week?

[4:47] Yeah.

[4:48] OK, so we're going to start with the first of our Halloween movies.

[4:50] That's right.

[4:51] It's Karate Kid from 1984.

[4:52] Guys, can you see this this visual right here?

[4:55] Yes, we can.

[4:56] So can you Dan, can you describe for me what are the classic iconic Halloween costumes

[5:01] from Karate Kid?

[5:02] Well, I'm going to start with the the bad kids first, of course, the OK, not the way

[5:07] the pictures are ordered on the slide, but that's fine.

[5:09] Yeah.

[5:10] OK.

[5:11] The Cobra Kai Dojo is wearing some skeleton costumes.

[5:15] It's like a body suit with, you know, like all of the, you know, torso and leg bones

[5:21] on it.

[5:22] And then they've done makeup for the faces to, you know, make it look like they've got

[5:26] eye sockets rather than eyes, nose, etc.

[5:29] They have like a like a white hood to give the impression of a bald cow.

[5:33] Well, one of them is a skeleton with hair.

[5:37] Well, that's because the hood came off.

[5:38] The cow, the bald cat came off.

[5:40] Well, first, how would you guys rate these costumes before we go on to Danny's costume?

[5:45] How would you rate these skeleton costumes?

[5:47] What's the rating scale?

[5:49] The rating scale goes from zero, which means bad costume, to ten, which means, is that

[5:55] a real skeleton walking towards me?

[5:57] What a costume.

[5:58] I'm going to go with seven.

[6:00] There's not this is not like a fancy costume, but it's a good execution of like a classic

[6:05] costume.

[6:06] Like these are, you know, pretty menacing skeleton guys.

[6:11] Yeah.

[6:12] I'm a sucker for something that looks like a classic costume.

[6:15] That's still a costume.

[6:17] Yes.

[6:18] And so, yeah, I'll say a seven as well.

[6:20] Yeah.

[6:21] Yeah.

[6:22] Spooky.

[6:23] I mean, I would have gone.

[6:26] I think I think what what really tips this over to me is the group aspect of it.

[6:31] There's only two of them in this picture here, but there's at least, I think, four of these

[6:33] guys wearing these costumes.

[6:34] And I love how we know that because I've seen Karate Kid, but it's a I like the idea that

[6:41] they all coordinated.

[6:42] We're all going to play skeletons.

[6:43] We're going to jump around and kick this other guy's butt.

[6:47] And I think the skeletons do.

[6:49] And I have to assume that they practice the skeleton dance from the Disney cartoon of

[6:52] the same name.

[6:53] You just don't see it in the movie.

[6:54] I think it's a great skeleton costume.

[6:56] Dan, why don't you tell me about the other main costume people may remember from Karate

[6:59] Kid?

[7:00] Sure.

[7:01] This is a this is a shower costume.

[7:04] This is a you've got a sort of a circular frame from which a shower curtain has been

[7:13] hung, a polka dotted shower curtain.

[7:15] And then you've got the shower head poking out on top with that.

[7:18] I think that's sort of like streamers, like sparkly streamer simulating the water.

[7:25] And of course, in the movie, this is functional because it allows Daniel to go to the Halloween

[7:30] party hidden from the Cobra Kai who want to kick his ass.

[7:35] And he can, you know, pull Elizabeth's shoe inside this shower thing and for canoodling.

[7:40] Yeah.

[7:41] Canoodling.

[7:42] Sure.

[7:43] Yeah.

[7:44] You know, maybe not a great costume for the people around this shower.

[7:48] It takes up a lot of space, but otherwise very clever.

[7:51] Yes.

[7:52] Let's do it.

[7:53] Give me your rating on this costume.

[7:55] I mean, I think there's a great costume.

[7:56] I think it's probably pretty hard to see what's going on outside of the costume.

[8:02] I mean, for accuracy, this is clearly like an eight.

[8:05] Like, that's a pretty impressive thing.

[8:07] It does look like there's just a shower in the middle of the room.

[8:09] It doesn't seem functional.

[8:10] I didn't even know that was a costume.

[8:11] Honestly.

[8:12] You just thought that all these people were waiting around to shower in their costumes?

[8:17] They want to shower off the makeup, you know, that they have on from their costumes.

[8:20] That makes sense.

[8:21] So, Hallie, you thought it was that.

[8:22] Would you give it a high mark?

[8:23] I would give it.

[8:25] Yeah.

[8:26] I would give it.

[8:27] Let's go.

[8:28] Nine.

[8:29] I love a homemade costume.

[8:30] Like, that's my objection.

[8:31] The skeleton one, you can buy that at a store.

[8:33] But someone who is Daniel put a lot of effort into making that shower.

[8:39] You don't know that the Cobra Kai's guy didn't screen print those skeleton body stockings?

[8:42] Maybe they did that.

[8:43] The screen printing lab.

[8:44] I gave it a seven, but I'm giving the shower a nine.

[8:47] I love it.

[8:48] And Dan, what about you?

[8:49] Yeah.

[8:50] I'm also going to give it a nine.

[8:51] It's clever.

[8:52] It's well executed.

[8:53] If I was around it, again, like, it takes up a lot of space.

[8:57] I wouldn't necessarily like it.

[8:58] But, you know, if Ralph Macchio pulled you inside the canoodle, you'd be a great place

[9:03] to canoodle with Ralph Macchio.

[9:05] But also, like, you know, if you're wearing this thing and you're not hiding from Cobra

[9:12] Kai, it has the advantage of there are a lot of costumes you can wear that make it very

[9:17] hard to drink or eat.

[9:18] He's like basically just like in normal clothes inside the shower.

[9:22] So that's convenient.

[9:24] And Dan, you're kind of shy.

[9:25] So it's a nice costume for a shy person.

[9:29] You could pretend to be somebody else while you're in it.

[9:31] Oh, yeah.

[9:32] It's me, Bruno.

[9:33] Yeah.

[9:34] And suddenly you're the most popular guy in the party.

[9:35] Yeah.

[9:36] You play the harmonica.

[9:37] I'm surprised because I have to say my opinion of the shower, I would give it like a two.

[9:42] This costume looks like a real shower, but one, it is a pain for both him and everyone

[9:48] around him.

[9:49] He has trouble seeing out of it.

[9:50] People are bumping into it all the time.

[9:51] But also, what's fun about a shower?

[9:55] Like what's fun about being a shower for Halloween?

[9:57] A skeleton?

[9:58] Cool.

[10:00] What?

[10:00] No way.

[10:01] Why don't you just be an ironing board for Halloween?

[10:03] Why don't you be a toaster for Halloween?

[10:04] My son was a washing machine for his first Halloween costume and he loved it and it was a great costume.

[10:09] I feel like that's the funniest thing, to be something for Halloween that nobody expects you to be.

[10:15] Yeah, the fun of it is you're a shower where a shower is not normally.

[10:20] Yeah.

[10:20] It's not, you know.

[10:21] It's a disruption.

[10:22] Oh, I understand.

[10:24] Well, we certainly have a disagreement opinion here, but how would you make this movie into a Halloween horror movie?

[10:29] How would you make it – how would you get Mike Myers into this horror movie?

[10:31] I feel like the answer to all of these, Elliot, is to add Mike Myers to them.

[10:36] Yeah, but then what happens?

[10:37] You just go a little bit further.

[10:38] And just let him do his thing.

[10:39] But how do we have – do we – so to Michael Myers, like does he go after the Cobra Kai guys first and they try to fight him and they're defeated and then at the end –

[10:46] What if he steps out of the shower in a towel?

[10:49] Yeah.

[10:50] Oh, Michael Myers did?

[10:51] Yeah.

[10:51] Or –

[10:52] That's unexpected.

[10:53] Michael Myers is – he's been – I guess he doesn't really die the way that Jason does and get resurrected.

[11:01] But I was – like maybe Cobra Kai like summons Michael Myers somehow to try and take Daniel down, not realizing that Michael Myers is not discerning in who he's going to –

[11:09] Okay, could be.

[11:10] It's more like a pumpkin head type situation.

[11:12] Yeah.

[11:13] Yeah.

[11:14] Or like – yeah, I mean, of course Michael Myers would show up and then the Cobra Kai guys would try and defeat him using their karate.

[11:20] Doesn't work.

[11:21] You can't sweep his leg.

[11:22] Can't.

[11:23] But then Daniel is able to defeat him by – because he is a more soulful fighter.

[11:28] And Mr. Miyagi, is he aware of Michael Myers?

[11:30] Like, oh, no, I've got – I have to teach you the ways of stopping this guy or is that a –

[11:35] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[11:36] He learned about him back in –

[11:37] Okinawa.

[11:38] Whatever war he was involved in.

[11:39] And then Michael Myers is walking by and he catches him with chopsticks.

[11:43] Yeah, he does.

[11:44] Yeah.

[11:45] There you go.

[11:46] We figured that one out.

[11:47] All right.

[11:48] Well, let's move on to the next Halloween movie.

[11:50] It is To Kill a Mockingbird from 1963.

[11:53] Oh, boy.

[11:54] Hallie, can you describe the spooktacular costume that Scout is wearing in this scene?

[11:59] Scout is wearing something that looks kind of like a bowling pin without the very top knob of it.

[12:07] Except it's – I mean it's gray because this is a black and white photo.

[12:12] But I'm assuming it's brown in technicolor.

[12:18] And it's labeled Ham.

[12:21] Yeah.

[12:22] Yeah, and there's like a little slot for her to look at Ham.

[12:24] Oh, yeah.

[12:25] There's a little eye slot.

[12:26] Yeah.

[12:27] So this is her Ham costume from the Halloween pageant in To Kill a Mockingbird.

[12:29] My favorite thing about this costume is that it's straight from the book.

[12:32] And in the book, there's something very funny about her having dressed as a ham.

[12:36] And in the movie, they just go with it.

[12:37] They don't try to make it cool.

[12:39] They just give her this big clumsy Ham costume.

[12:41] So thank you for the description.

[12:42] Hallie, how do you rate this costume?

[12:44] Man, it's adorable.

[12:46] And it's so funny that it's labeled Ham because you wouldn't know what the fuck it is.

[12:51] So it's so endearing.

[12:55] I give it a seven.

[12:58] Okay.

[12:59] Dan Stewart, how do you feel?

[13:00] Do you agree?

[13:01] I'm going to say this doesn't look anything like a ham.

[13:03] I'm giving it a two.

[13:04] Wow.

[13:05] Wow.

[13:06] Stay there.

[13:07] Stay there.

[13:08] I'm going way –

[13:09] I can hear Scout's tears.

[13:10] Yeah.

[13:11] I'm going way far in the other direction.

[13:12] I'm going to give it a ten.

[13:15] I was like, Hallie and Stewart are on opposite ends of the scale.

[13:19] Are you going down the Z axis this time, Dan, to the third dimension?

[13:22] No, I love this.

[13:23] I love this costume.

[13:24] I disagree that it doesn't look like a ham.

[13:26] It looks like one of those big hams, like the full ham that you would get.

[13:31] It doesn't look like a John ham?

[13:33] Yeah, a full John ham.

[13:35] It looks like John ham as a fletch.

[13:37] But I like this.

[13:38] It's like this old-fashioned, I guess, paper mache costume of a ham that also is labeled ham on it.

[13:45] What could be better than that?

[13:47] All right.

[13:49] I love this costume.

[13:50] I think it's great.

[13:51] It is not the best costume though for when you're being chased by Michael Myers.

[13:54] So how do we – to kill a mockingbird, how do we make this title literal and insert Michael Myers and the Halloween franchise into this movie?

[14:02] Now this is – do we set it?

[14:03] It's set in the past.

[14:04] It's set in the past.

[14:05] Is this a – did Michael Myers fall through a time warp?

[14:08] Is this some sort of a prequel or is this Michael Myers' grandfather?

[14:11] How do we deal with that?

[14:13] Michael Myers is on trial for raping a white woman.

[14:18] Oh, okay.

[14:19] That is engaging with the plot of To Kill a Mockingbird.

[14:22] I think it's not the best way for us to do it.

[14:26] It really upends the novel and the movie's plea for tolerance if the accused – the falsely accused party is a slasher killer.

[14:35] Hey, he's a slasher killer.

[14:36] He's not a rapist.

[14:38] Good point.

[14:39] Yeah, it's got to be for the right crime.

[14:41] I see what you're saying.

[14:43] Yeah, Michael Myers Sr. Sr. maybe is the one perpetrating these crimes.

[14:48] Yeah, yeah.

[14:49] It's because of the tainted bloodline of Michael Myers.

[14:51] I was thinking you end up with a Boo Radley-Michael Myers fight because Boo Radley is kind of like a good guy Michael Myers in a way.

[14:57] Yeah.

[14:58] Yeah.

[14:59] And he takes his soap doll.

[15:00] Michael versus Boo.

[15:01] And his name says – has Boo in it, which sounds scary.

[15:04] Yes, automatically scary.

[15:06] Yeah, and then maybe it turns out that Boo Radley is a ghost.

[15:08] I don't know.

[15:09] I'm just throwing ideas out here.

[15:10] Let's move on to the next movie.

[15:11] So there's another spooktacular Halloween classic that's about children doing things they shouldn't on Halloween, perhaps playing with things they shouldn't.

[15:20] And that's Meet Me in St. Louis from 1944, classic movie musical, one of the greatest of all original two-film musicals.

[15:28] And in the Halloween scene, for people who haven't seen it, Margaret O'Brien and one of the other sisters – I forget their little kids.

[15:34] They dress up in costumes from the era when Halloween costumes weren't specific things so much as just putting on whatever.

[15:41] And they prank the one neighbor in the town that's coded as an immigrant or perhaps non-Christian.

[15:49] And then they gleefully have a bonfire and then throw a mannequin in front of a trolley and they get in trouble for it.

[15:55] But they're just so gleeful even while Margaret O'Brien is being spanked for that.

[15:58] She has this smile on her face because she's so happy that she threw a mannequin in front of a trolley and made everyone scared.

[16:03] So, guys, first, Stuart, can you describe these costumes that these girls are wearing?

[16:08] Yeah, they look like a couple of ragamuffins wearing oversized coats and hats and scarves and sweatshirts.

[16:15] And they have like soot or something smeared on their faces as well as one young lady is holding a skeleton mask.

[16:24] And the other child has a large nose, maybe a fake nose and a pair of glasses.

[16:31] Yeah, and a kind of a bowler hat.

[16:33] Yeah, like – yeah, I'd say the shorter –

[16:36] The other one is wearing like a blossom hat.

[16:39] It's like a pirate hat with two big flowers on it. It does look like a blossom hat.

[16:43] Yeah, the shorter girl looks sort of like a hobo with a Orson Welles nose added to the mix.

[16:49] And then – yeah, and then we do have this mask that looks like kind of like a Tim Burton stop-motion project figure.

[16:58] Is that supposed to be a skeleton mask or a gorilla mask?

[17:02] Maybe it's a gorilla skeleton.

[17:04] So, guys, what are your grades for these costumes?

[17:08] Dan, I'm going to start with you again.

[17:10] I mean I really like that mask. I think that mask is super cool.

[17:14] The rest of it is just kind of a mishmash.

[17:17] So I'm going to go with a three.

[17:20] Yeah, I mean I don't want to knock them points just for maybe not having the resources to get some really nice costumes.

[17:29] Yeah, or the know-how. This is pre-even bad ham costume technology.

[17:33] This is – it made in the 40s and set at the turn of the century.

[17:37] So they really didn't have the kind of costume know-how that we have now.

[17:40] There's just not enough of a singular vision here presented.

[17:44] So I will also say a two.

[17:47] OK.

[17:48] I think that this smaller one is being handicapped by being grouped in with the bigger one because I think that the smaller one's costume is better, who's wearing the bowler hat and actually looks like a hobo.

[18:02] So I feel like that could be Wallace Shawn and I wouldn't be surprised.

[18:07] I think that I would give her a six and the other girl two.

[18:12] Oh, wow. OK.

[18:13] And so now is the question.

[18:15] Have any of you seen Meet Me in St. Louis?

[18:16] Are you familiar with this movie at all?

[18:18] No.

[18:19] I've seen clips from it, but I've not seen the whole movie.

[18:22] You are missing out.

[18:23] It's a beautiful movie.

[18:24] It's really fun.

[18:25] It's really wonderful.

[18:26] So then I guess it's going to be hard for you to tell me how to insert Michael Myers into this.

[18:29] So it's the story.

[18:30] It's set in 19.

[18:31] Michael Myers wins a free ticket to St.

[18:35] Louis.

[18:36] So it's all about there's getting ready for the St.

[18:39] Louis fair that they're going to go to the St.

[18:41] Louis World's Fair or whatever.

[18:43] So you think Michael Myers ends up there.

[18:45] And the big thing is the big thing that the World's Fair something.

[18:49] Yeah.

[18:50] So Michael Myers builds a murder house.

[18:52] OK.

[18:53] People who come to the World's Fair and he kills.

[18:57] Not usually known for his architecture skills.

[18:59] But that's an interesting wrinkle to the thing.

[19:01] It is interesting.

[19:02] And the big thing at the World's Fair in this one is electric lights.

[19:05] So maybe the lights all go out at some point.

[19:07] You know, Michael Myers realized how to turn off the electricity.

[19:10] But anyway, I would recommend it.

[19:12] If of all the movies on this list that we've been talking about today, I think it's probably my favorite.

[19:16] So it's not just a lot of people know this movie for the song.

[19:19] Have yourself a merry little Christmas.

[19:21] They say, oh, that's a Christmas movie.

[19:22] It's a Halloween movie, everybody.

[19:24] A lot of the movie takes place at Halloween.

[19:26] Fight me about it.

[19:27] I don't care.

[19:28] Meet me in St. Louis.

[19:29] Anyway.

[19:30] Cash me in St. Louis.

[19:34] But, you know, I know you guys are thinking there's a classic Halloween movie with a classic costume that we have not gotten to yet.

[19:40] Don't worry.

[19:41] We're just about to.

[19:42] I wouldn't put it off for long.

[19:43] So here it is.

[19:44] Juror number two from last year.

[19:46] Right.

[19:47] This is juror number two directed by Clint Eastwood.

[19:49] And there's one scene that set at Halloween where our main character and his wife are dressed as the American Gothic couple from Grant Wood's classic painting.

[19:57] American.

[19:58] Although that's supposed.

[20:00] To be a father-daughter, I learned recently, not a couple.

[20:03] Well, Dan, all I can say is, I'm not gonna dig into that.

[20:08] I'm just dropping some art trivia, that's all.

[20:12] Well, take it up with Grant Wood,

[20:14] and take it up with Clint Eastwood.

[20:15] Hey, wait a minute, Grant Wood, Clint Eastwood?

[20:20] Ain't the same guy.

[20:22] You blew this whole thing wide open.

[20:24] So what do you think about this costume?

[20:25] Let's talk about it.

[20:26] Dan, why don't you describe this costume,

[20:28] for anyone who hasn't seen American Gothic?

[20:30] Yeah, I mean, it's a little obscured

[20:33] by trick-or-treaters in the forefront of the frame,

[20:35] but it's a couple from American Gothic.

[20:37] If you've seen American Gothic,

[20:38] there's a woman with sort of a,

[20:42] what I kind of think of as a Puritan collar,

[20:45] black dress, and she's got her hair

[20:49] parted down the middle, slicked down.

[20:51] We've got Nicholas Holt over here

[20:53] as the man in the pair.

[20:56] He's got a pretty blousy bald cap on,

[21:00] and he has a pitchfork that looks like

[21:04] it's got spiderwebs on it or something.

[21:07] I don't know what's going on there.

[21:08] I think he tried to Halloween up

[21:09] the idea of American Gothic.

[21:10] And also, it's hard to see in this image,

[21:12] but I think he's wearing overalls,

[21:14] but I think he also has a fake belly

[21:15] or something like that.

[21:17] But yeah, so how would you guys rate this costume?

[21:20] And you can rate it on scariness,

[21:22] or you can rate it on authenticity

[21:24] to the original painting.

[21:26] I think this isn't very good.

[21:28] I think that, you know.

[21:30] Well, harsh.

[21:32] It's just like it doesn't,

[21:33] it's not a super well done representation

[21:37] of the painting,

[21:39] and I guess that's all I'm ranking it on.

[21:42] And so I'm gonna give it a two.

[21:44] Wow, okay.

[21:45] Still gets a two, though.

[21:46] I'm gonna give it a four,

[21:48] because I think this is a really good representation

[21:50] of a couple's costume made by people

[21:53] who have a little bit of enthusiasm about it,

[21:56] but they don't go all the way

[21:58] to really do a very good job.

[22:00] So I think it's a very believable couple's costume.

[22:04] Realistic.

[22:05] And also, Nicholas, all to this point,

[22:05] he is still grappling with the fact

[22:07] that he is on the jury for a trial

[22:10] for someone who is accused of a crime

[22:12] he seems to have committed.

[22:13] And so I don't think he has a lot of emotional energy

[22:15] for a more in-depth, you know,

[22:17] deep, complicated costume than this one right now.

[22:20] Hallie, what do you think?

[22:21] Well, maybe then I'll say,

[22:24] this is sort of a meet-me-in-St. Louis situation.

[22:26] I think the woman's costume is way better than his,

[22:28] because clearly it's the bald cap that's ruining his.

[22:31] Yeah.

[22:32] He should have shaved his head.

[22:33] It's hard not to notice there's a very bad bald cap.

[22:36] And he looks good with a bald head.

[22:37] We've seen him recently with a bald head.

[22:39] It's true.

[22:39] Yeah, he looks good with a bald head,

[22:41] face all painted, silver teeth.

[22:43] You know, he could shave his head.

[22:45] But you're right, I think the bald cap

[22:47] really is the real weakness of this costume.

[22:49] Yeah.

[22:50] So I'll give her a five and him a one.

[22:54] Wow.

[22:55] Wow.

[22:56] Someone's finally broken the two barrier.

[22:57] Amazing.

[22:58] Sorry, juror number two.

[22:59] You've got, I mean, again,

[23:00] getting a low score in the costume contest is-

[23:01] I'm like juror number one.

[23:04] Yeah?

[23:05] I thought you were gonna say this juror number two's

[23:06] costume is number two.

[23:10] So how would you bring Michael Myers into this movie?

[23:12] I don't know if you guys have seen it.

[23:13] It's a taut, almost Paul Schrader-esque

[23:18] examination of guilt and the need for repentance.

[23:22] And what happens when you don't repent?

[23:24] I feel like-

[23:25] Michael Myers is also one of the jurors.

[23:27] I think you're giving this movie way too much credit.

[23:30] But also, I would say,

[23:32] what if Michael Myers is on trial for the killing?

[23:35] Because why wouldn't you suspect Michael Myers?

[23:38] And this guy is sort of like,

[23:40] feels a little less guilty.

[23:42] Cause he's like, well,

[23:44] if Michael Myers goes to jail instead of me,

[23:45] that's probably all for the best.

[23:48] He's like, he might not have committed the crime

[23:50] I committed, but you know what?

[23:52] We gotta take this guy down somehow.

[23:54] Yeah, it's a real Al Capone tax evasion thing

[23:57] where it's like,

[23:58] maybe this isn't the crime you thought you'd get him for,

[24:00] but it's something.

[24:01] I like the idea of him being on the jury too.

[24:03] So maybe it's a little bit of both.

[24:04] Maybe Michael Myers is,

[24:06] it's like a secret of my success type situation

[24:08] where he's pretending to be more than one person

[24:10] on trial and on the jury.

[24:12] Yeah, yeah.

[24:13] The clumps.

[24:16] It is a real, the clumps.

[24:18] Put that quote on the juror number two box.

[24:21] Stuart Williams says a real, the clumps.

[24:23] We've got one more movie before we're gonna go to a break.

[24:25] So guys, there's another movie that no,

[24:29] no joke this time is a real great

[24:31] kind of like Halloween scene movie.

[24:33] And I'm sure you've all seen it.

[24:35] And of course that is E.T. from 1982.

[24:38] So many Halloween costumes, so much stuff.

[24:40] Similarly, kind of the,

[24:42] this is pre when kids were expected to go out

[24:45] and buy really good costumes.

[24:47] This is when kids are still throwing

[24:48] their own costumes together.

[24:49] So why don't each of you take a turn

[24:52] at describing one of these costumes

[24:53] that we're seeing on screen.

[24:54] Hallie, you wanna go first?

[24:55] Pick whichever one you like.

[24:56] E.T. is dressed like a lady,

[25:00] maybe like a grandma.

[25:02] It's sort of a grandma vibe.

[25:04] Also wearing a, would you say that's a bowler hat?

[25:07] Like a flower and a blonde luxurious wig,

[25:13] a string of pearls, a shawl,

[25:16] and sort of like a floral gown.

[25:22] Looks kind of like a nightgown a little bit.

[25:24] There's some, there's elements of it

[25:25] that are kind of like, if he's,

[25:27] he couldn't decide whether he was gonna go

[25:28] as Carol Kane or Stevie Nicks for Halloween.

[25:31] So they both kind of ended up in the same costume.

[25:33] Nevermind.

[25:34] Yeah, E.T. drag icon.

[25:38] Did you hear what I said?

[25:38] No, I didn't.

[25:39] Oh, he looks like our friend Delaney.

[25:42] You know what, I could see, yeah, you know what?

[25:45] I could see this as a Delaney costume.

[25:47] Yeah, this is a person we know.

[25:48] So if Delaney is listening,

[25:50] which he's not, great E.T. costume every day.

[25:56] So Stuart, why don't you take a costume?

[25:57] Which one do you wanna take?

[25:59] Well, we got a little kid dressed up like a hobo

[26:03] with a bowler hat and a knife sticking in his head.

[26:06] Got a five o'clock shadow.

[26:08] Is this a reference to something I'm not understanding?

[26:10] I don't think so.

[26:11] I think some of these costumes are supposed to be like,

[26:12] again, you're throwing stuff together.

[26:14] Later on in this movie,

[26:15] I should have put these ones up too,

[26:16] that you see people just walking by,

[26:17] and one of them is like a dog who's also a sailor.

[26:20] Like they're just throwing things together, you know?

[26:23] And Dan, why don't you describe

[26:25] Let me describe Elliot's mom's costume.

[26:27] Yeah, so we got Dee Wallace being what she is,

[26:30] which is a sexy mom.

[26:31] She's got like a cheetah print cat suit on.

[26:35] She has a, you know, like kind of a Lone Ranger style mask.

[26:41] Her hair is up sort of in two, like two parts.

[26:45] Like there's like scrunchies or something.

[26:47] Like cat ears almost?

[26:48] Like, yeah, like almost like ears.

[26:49] It looks like she's got, like,

[26:51] a magic wand, like a fairy godmother magic wand.

[26:54] She does, yeah.

[26:55] Doesn't really go with the rest of the thing.

[26:56] But as we're saying, these are thrown together costumes.

[26:59] Yeah, no, it's a good look.

[27:02] And I'll describe Elliot.

[27:03] He's wearing a hooded sweatshirt,

[27:05] and he's just painted his face like he's a zombie.

[27:07] It's kind of green with kind of like

[27:08] black circles around his eyes.

[27:09] Well, I was like, is he supposed to be E.T.?

[27:11] I couldn't figure that out.

[27:12] That would be very funny if he was like,

[27:14] I'll go as E.T.

[27:15] So when people are chasing E.T., they'll get me.

[27:17] Yeah.

[27:18] And E.T. will go as this old lady.

[27:21] He will go as Delaney.

[27:23] Yeah, so how do you guys rate these costumes?

[27:25] And you can rate them as a group if you want,

[27:27] just to save some time,

[27:28] or you can write them individually if you want.

[27:29] I mean, E.T. is clearly a 10.

[27:31] This is a great look for E.T.

[27:33] It's a fantastic, yeah.

[27:35] And like, you know, D. Wallace, I think is a seven,

[27:38] just because I think she's cute.

[27:39] But, and the hobo kid, maybe a five.

[27:43] And, you know, I don't know.

[27:46] Hobo kid, maybe a five.

[27:48] And Elliot is like a one.

[27:50] No, I'll give Elliot more than that.

[27:52] There's something about a classic zombie face.

[27:54] I love Elliot.

[27:55] He looks so cute.

[27:57] Not you.

[27:57] No, I look hideous, but he looks very cute.

[27:59] But I think what, for his older brother,

[28:01] what does it for me is that he was like,

[28:03] I'll be a hobo, eh, with a knife through his head.

[28:05] And I feel like that takes it to a new conceptual level,

[28:08] that he is a murdered hobo, rather than just a hobo.

[28:11] You start putting a story together,

[28:12] like what happened to this gentleman?

[28:14] Exactly.

[28:14] I think this is what every kid does, is like for Halloween.

[28:18] They're like, I'll be a nurse,

[28:20] but a zombie nurse or like a stabbed nurse.

[28:24] Yeah.

[28:25] I think what I like about this movie is that

[28:27] as these kids obviously did their own costumes.

[28:30] And I think it's, is it Gertie who dresses up ET

[28:33] in this way?

[28:34] So like, she did a great job if it was her doing it.

[28:37] Yeah, and then they're like, no, we can't do that.

[28:40] And they put a, just put a sheet over ET, right?

[28:42] Yeah, that I don't like as much, yeah.

[28:44] Although to be fair, if you, it's,

[28:46] but the idea is that ET is supposed to be Gertie

[28:49] and he does not look like little Drew Barrymore

[28:51] in this costume at all.

[28:52] Like to put the sheet over him

[28:53] is the better move for the story.

[28:56] The thing about also DeWalt's costume

[28:57] is within the context of the movie,

[28:59] she's not trick-or-treating, she's not going to a party.

[29:02] She's just at her house handing out candy.

[29:04] And so it's really a lot to go,

[29:06] it's a big costume to put on just for that.

[29:08] So I got to give her credit for that.

[29:09] So I'm going to give all of them 10 out of 10.

[29:12] Wow.

[29:13] Also, but then the question before we go to a break,

[29:16] and don't worry, there's fewer movies

[29:18] on the other side of the break

[29:18] than there were in the front one.

[29:20] Before we go to a break,

[29:21] how do we make this a Michael Myers Halloween movie?

[29:23] You've got a telekinetic alien in here.

[29:25] How does that play into it?

[29:28] Yeah, I feel like this has to be like, you know.

[29:30] But he's set in the suburbs,

[29:31] that's his natural hunting ground.

[29:33] That is true.

[29:34] But this has to be like more of like-

[29:34] The suburbs of Southern California too, yeah.

[29:37] A versus scenario, you know, a Freddy versus Jason.

[29:42] A cowboys versus aliens.

[29:44] You got Michael Myers versus ZT.

[29:46] Yeah, no matter who wins, we lose.

[29:48] Yeah, exactly.

[29:49] Yeah, tell me about it.

[29:50] So what happens with Michael Myers versus ZT?

[29:52] Play out the scenario a little bit.

[29:53] Hallie?

[29:54] Well, I had a different idea actually.

[29:56] Okay, let's hear that one.

[29:57] Okay, go on.

[29:58] Classic yes ending.

[29:59] What if this is-

[30:00] What if this is Michael Myers redemption story and he comes in and kills all of the doctors

[30:09] and scientists who are holding E.T. and Elliot captive?

[30:14] Yeah, they can't stop his ass.

[30:15] They have their fucking guns swapped out for walkie talkies.

[30:18] Even Michael Myers can't resist the charms of E.T., the lovable alien.

[30:23] To be honest, I would love to see that movie where an alien comes down, the scientists

[30:28] take him and the kids are like, no, no, let him go.

[30:30] And then unbeknownst to them, a slasher is on the prowl and he really complicates their

[30:35] alien kidnapping thing.

[30:37] What a fun.

[30:38] It reminds me of a writer that some of us worked with, Mr. Rich Blomquist.

[30:42] He said once about reading a screenwriting book where the screenwriter said, you have

[30:46] to have one unbelievable thing in your movie.

[30:47] You can have a vampire or you can have an alien, but you can't have an alien land on

[30:51] Earth.

[30:52] And then a vampire bites him.

[30:53] And he was.

[30:54] And Rich was like, that sounds like a great movie.

[30:55] Why would you do that?

[30:56] I want to see that movie.

[30:58] So I think so, Michael, so they like make a Predator movie where the Predator lands

[31:02] in fucking Transylvania and has to fight Dracula.

[31:04] That rocks.

[31:05] Wonderful.

[31:06] I would love that.

[31:07] That'd be so great.

[31:08] A.V.P.

[31:09] Alien Vampire Predator.

[31:10] Yeah.

[31:11] Let's do it.

[31:12] Hollywood.

[31:13] It's the end of the world.

[31:14] Let's just do it.

[31:15] Let's throw these concepts together.

[31:16] Come on.

[31:17] Yeah, man.

[31:18] Fuck it.

[31:19] Business.

[31:20] Whatever.

[31:21] Whatever.

[31:22] Fun, man.

[31:23] Do a silly one.

[31:24] Just for us.

[31:25] Yeah.

[31:27] Why not?

[31:28] Let's just do it.

[31:29] So, guys, I've got a couple more costumes for us to look at.

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[38:15] Okay, guys, welcome back to this Halloween spooky post Halloween Halloween costume Halloween

[38:24] movies mini.

[38:26] Let's go to our next movie.

[38:27] Okay, guys, E.T. has a lot of costumes in it.

[38:30] There's another movie that famously has a lot of Halloween costumes in it.

[38:34] That is, of course, Mean Girls 2004 version, not the musical version.

[38:38] I have not seen it.

[38:39] I do not know if they have Halloween costumes in it.

[38:41] They probably do.

[38:42] It's pretty much the same movie.

[38:43] It's the same one.

[38:45] This is the movie Mean Girls as our resident mean girl.

[38:49] Dan, would you like to describe some of these costumes?

[38:51] Well, many of them fetch.

[38:54] The idea of this, of course, in the movie is that Katie, having come from being homeschooled

[39:02] in Africa, does not realize that among these girls, the point of Halloween is to dress

[39:09] up in sexy costumes.

[39:12] And so they are, you know, like various sexy animals, like your cats and your looks like

[39:19] Regina's like a rabbit.

[39:22] It's a regular Zootopia, just sexy animals just running around.

[39:25] But our heroine is dressed as a Disney's Robin Hood as sort of a zombie bride with a big

[39:32] teeth.

[39:33] Guys, this is I hate to interrupt you, Dan.

[39:34] This is not part of it.

[39:35] Do you think Disney's Robin Hood and Zootopia are set in the same universe?

[39:38] Probably.

[39:39] Yeah.

[39:40] And, you know, at least a few years later, a few years later, the zoo society, you know,

[39:48] advanced so quickly.

[39:49] Yeah, that's true.

[39:50] Because animals are smarter than people.

[39:51] What if it started?

[39:52] And they live shorter lives.

[39:53] Oh, yeah.

[39:54] He goes to the generations much faster.

[39:56] So, Hallie, would you agree with that?

[39:57] Then Robin Hood must be what, like 40, 50 years before.

[40:00] Zootopia? Yeah. All right. I was like, what are you guys talking about again? No, I mean,

[40:07] I remember Zootopia better than Robin Hood. Is that sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? I don't know

[40:13] what's sad anymore. So much is sad that it's hard to say. But are these Mean Girls costumes sad?

[40:19] Hallie, as our other resident Mean Girl, how do you feel about these costumes? I feel, oh,

[40:26] you know what? Never mind. No, go on. Follow that tangent. Where's your mind taking you?

[40:30] Well, I'm I was going to anticipate a movie. Oh, but it might show up later. Yeah,

[40:37] I can see my list. So don't talk about. No. Yeah, I don't think. OK, whatever. I will say

[40:43] these are you know, I love Amanda Seyfried's costume because that's a dress that I would

[40:49] have worn in the 90s. That kind of baby doll dress. Yeah. With the with the high ribbon.

[40:54] Very, very like kind of Regency period to have that that ribbon very high, not at the waist,

[40:59] but exactly below the bust slightly. Mm hmm. What about the ears? Would you have worn those

[41:03] little what are they like mouse mouse ears? Yeah. No, I wouldn't have. OK. I mean, these are like

[41:09] what I mean, if you didn't wear the ears, though, there's like no costume. I know. I just like the

[41:13] dress. OK, so you get a 10 because you like that dress. Yeah. OK. I don't know. I think

[41:19] I like Lindsay Lohan's costume. It's kind of funny.

[41:23] Which one is your mom's wedding dress? Oh, she's that she's the bride. Yeah.

[41:28] You don't know who Lindsay Lohan is. I don't remember which one is which.

[41:33] You're looking at them. You're literally looking at their pictures. She's in costume with a wig

[41:38] and everything. It doesn't look like teeth. Yeah. I don't know. They're fine.

[41:44] They're fine. OK. So, Stuart, what's your opinion as our third resident mean girl?

[41:49] What do you think about these mean girl costumes? Yeah, I would say

[41:53] Regina George's costume obviously is incredible. Everything she does is perfect. She rules.

[41:59] Katie didn't quite get the brief. She didn't realize she was supposed to be a little bit sexy.

[42:03] That's not scary. Nobody wants a scary costume. You're saying it's less sexy.

[42:08] A woman with blood pouring out of her mouth is less sexy than, say, like a mouse or a cat or a

[42:12] bunny. Yeah, I've never quite. I mean, like I get that they're low cut and whatnot. And there's

[42:17] like it's an excuse to wear a bodysuit. But the sexiness of the animal side of it has always

[42:22] eluded me. But I have some very interesting artworks I would like to show you after the.

[42:27] Yeah, I'm aware that like other people have a tiger from Zootopia that I'd like to show you.

[42:33] It's fine. And that's your thing. I'm not trying to say it's wrong. I'm just saying it's well,

[42:36] I mean, if you if you act on that with an animal, there is with an animal.

[42:40] There is a danger once it once it leaves the realm of play acting.

[42:44] And yeah. So what did you say? We got off on a. Yeah, I don't remember.

[42:49] Regina George rules. The rest aren't as great. Yeah, I mean, well, I'll agree with that.

[42:55] What about the man dressed as a soldier behind Lindsay Lohan?

[42:59] Oh, yeah, just kind of a standard soldier. I

[43:03] wow. So the disrespect for armed forces. Wow. No, thank you for your service.

[43:10] So the the girls who are dressed in sexy outfits like look, I'm I'm pro the idea of sexiness in

[43:18] general, but these are sort of pro forma like sexy Halloween. Why don't you dress a little?

[43:24] Why don't you dress up a little bit? Yeah, I know. And I just want more to

[43:31] Danley and all that out. I'll not smell more. He smells enough. Whatever you want, baby.

[43:37] I just it's just kind of standard. Like those ones are like fine. So how would you make that?

[43:42] How would you make a three interesting, Dan, for you personally? I'm just saying there's not a lot

[43:46] of like innovation here. Interesting. You're saying Lacey, that's Lacey Chabert, right?

[43:52] Yeah. Yeah. She should have like a whip or something. So she's more like a cat.

[43:56] I didn't say that. No. And Katie, I don't know, like it's a little more interesting,

[44:04] but it's also not like that different. So I'm going to give it a five.

[44:08] OK. All right. There you go. And how would you I feel like this is one of the ones where it's

[44:13] the easiest. How do you make this a Halloween movie with Michael Myers? I feel like there's

[44:17] such a thin line between Mean Girls and a standard slasher movie in a lot of ways.

[44:22] You see, you have the girl who's the outcast, you have the Mean Girls,

[44:25] the slasher kills the Mean Girls one by one, right? Oh, no. I feel like Michael Myers is a

[44:29] new student at the school and he would show up in a scary costume, which is not what he's supposed

[44:36] to. He's supposed to dress sexy. Yeah. But then Lindsay Lohan is like, I get you. We both come

[44:41] from different worlds and then they have the romantic story. Oh, not Aaron Samuels. Or let

[44:48] me pitch you that Michael Myers is becomes the most popular kid in school and everyone else

[44:54] wants to be a slasher to be like Michael Myers because he does like a cool skateboard trick.

[44:58] Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. So he's just everyone's just killing each other all the time

[45:02] in this school. Yeah. You call it slasher. Hi. This would be fun. This is a fun movie.

[45:07] We did it. OK, guys, so that's Mean Girls coming up next. We've got another movie that's also about

[45:12] a teen who can't quite fit in. That's right. It's Donnie Darko from 2001. Now, I'm curious what you

[45:17] guys will think about this costume because it's a little reminiscent of something we've seen before.

[45:21] Stuart, can you describe this costume? So you have Jake Gyllenhaal. He is wearing not part of the

[45:27] costume. That's the actor. He's not dressed as Gyllenhaal. Yeah. The the main character,

[45:33] Donnie Darko, is wearing a like it looks like a black bodysuit with a print of a skeleton to make

[45:41] it look like you're just seeing straight through his flesh to just the bones. And on top of that,

[45:47] he is wearing a gray hoodie. Yeah. So it's a little bit of a mashup of the Karate Kid and

[45:53] E.T. costumes in a way. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. So do you guys give this more points for being

[46:00] a clever combination or do you take off points for it? Well, it's a clear way of reference to

[46:04] the fact that Drew Barrymore is in this movie and in E.T. Oh, yeah. But how does the Karate Kid

[46:09] aspect? E.T.? Because he's wearing a hoodie? That's what I said. The trademark hoodie from E.T.

[46:18] Yeah. Everybody remembers from E.T. There's so many Elliots in this conversation. I'm getting

[46:21] very confused. That's fair. And I also here's my special guest, Elliot Gould. Come on in.

[46:26] Now, I give this a one because like this is this is a lazy man's costume. It's just like,

[46:30] I'll you know, I'll put on this like thing that has a skeleton on it and I'm not going to do

[46:35] any makeup for my face at all. And I'm going to put a hoodie on. Yeah. And you see he's still

[46:40] wearing a watch like he really what skeleton is wearing a watch. Skeletons don't care about what

[46:44] time it is. They're dead. It would fall right off. Yeah. Thank you. You can't make it tight

[46:48] enough. Yeah. I mean, I feel like this is a lazy costume. Again, Donnie has some things going on

[46:54] in his life emotionally this time. Not juror number two type emotional. I mean, he's not on

[46:58] he's not in a jury for a crime that he committed. Yeah, but he's supposed to like he should have

[47:03] been dead. Like that's I feel like that's a pretty high level. You'd think it would inspire

[47:08] him to have a better Halloween costume, though. Yeah. So how do you like you got another day?

[47:16] You got a new lease on life. Throw that joy into the Halloween costume. Live every day like it's

[47:21] your last end of the day is Halloween. Come on. I know I do this one. So Donnie's watching. He's

[47:26] at the movie theater watching one of his favorite movies, one of the Halloweens. And then Michael

[47:31] Myers just like climbs through the screen showing the true magic of cinema before he starts butchering

[47:36] the town. OK. Yeah. I guess there's a scene where Donnie goes to the movies, but otherwise it doesn't

[47:43] seem to be like linked to the. But doesn't he like imagine something happens with the screen

[47:48] or something? No. Well, I mean, like there's a tube that comes out of Donnie's like chest that

[47:54] sort of is like a time like you can see like the paths of time. Here's that time. It's not like a

[48:03] Cairo situation. Yeah. The time tube comes out. Michael Myers pops out of it. He's slashing

[48:08] around. And then it's a fight between Michael Myers and that bunny from that mean bunny from

[48:13] Donnie Darko. Frank, yeah. Frank, the original bad bunny. I guess Harvey would be the original.

[48:20] Actually, Peter Rabbit would be the original bad bunny, right? You know, he's stealing from

[48:23] McGregor's farm. Naughty. Went to bed without his dinner. And Peter Rabbit did do a halftime

[48:29] show at the Super Bowl. Somebody emailed Benito and tell him to change his number.

[48:36] So I think we can I think we get. But how does it end? Who would win at the end? Does Michael

[48:42] Myers just kill everybody? I mean, Donnie Darko is going to die eventually at the end of the

[48:45] movie. Spoiler alert. Like a plane falls on him or something. Right. Plane falls on Michael Myers.

[48:50] Yeah. On both of them. Yeah. The real anticlimax of it. It's a real hell in the Pacific of an

[48:57] ending. Yeah. OK, guys, the next movie. This is a director we've already seen on the list,

[49:02] a director who is known for telling tales with intensity, thrills, adventure, a maestro of modern

[49:09] horror. That's right. We got another Clint Eastwood movie on here. It's a perfect world

[49:12] from 1993. This is a kind of small scale crime drama starring Kevin Costner and a little kid.

[49:18] And how can you describe this little kid's costume? Well, he appears to be dressed as

[49:22] Casper. He's wearing a plastic Casper mask. But then he's wearing a white sweatshirt with just

[49:31] a picture of Casper on it. So there are two Casper faces in this costume, which is a little

[49:37] confusing. Yeah. And neither of them is Casper Van Dien, which is even more confusing. Yeah.

[49:41] Yeah. But this is what I like about old costumes, where it's like,

[49:45] you know, they weren't confident. They couldn't make the costume look enough like the thing it

[49:50] was. So they would also just put a picture of what it was on the shirt that the person wore,

[49:54] which is just a classic Halloween move, I think.

[50:00] wandered away, and he's kind of driving this, so...

[50:03] Sorry, I just realized that when my son had come in earlier that he had left the

[50:06] door open, so I wanted to... Yeah, you were worried that he might come

[50:09] in and see this spooky ghost on the screen. He'd get scared. He'd be so frightened.

[50:12] And get an idea of a Halloween costume. Now, this is clearly a store-bought

[50:16] costume. I think we can all see that. Yeah, it's a big... Or possibly stolen.

[50:20] It's a big... You never know. It's a stolen costume, that's true.

[50:24] But it's not a homemade costume, and it's a big plot point in this movie.

[50:27] Have you guys ever seen A Perfect World? Yeah, he doesn't have a 3D printer

[50:29] printing out vacuum form masks. No? Have you guys ever seen A Perfect World?

[50:33] Yeah, he had it back in the day. It's pretty good.

[50:36] It's a good movie, and you know that part of the plot is that this kid,

[50:39] his family is Jehovah's Witness, so his mom will not let him celebrate Halloween.

[50:42] So it's not until he is taken hostage by a man on the run from jail

[50:47] that he's able to finally dress up as Casper the Friendly Ghost.

[50:50] What do you guys think about... Yeah, but what do you guys think about this costume

[50:52] in terms of scores? What scores you can give it? Not in terms of

[50:55] scores that the strip club, right? But in terms of scoring that costume.

[50:58] He's on my drugs. Okay, well, it's going to take me a couple

[51:01] minutes. I mean, it's store-bought.

[51:04] It's not that fancy, so on the usual scale, it would get low marks, but I have such nostalgia

[51:12] for this type of old crappy costume that I think I can't go any lower than a six.

[51:18] Wow. It sucks. I give it a two.

[51:23] And Stuart, what do you say? I'm going to say it's a seven for me,

[51:27] because it looks just like Casper. I mean, Casper does have a picture of

[51:32] himself on his chest. And hair.

[51:34] And hair peeking out. The back of Casper's head is just a regular kid's head with hair.

[51:40] And Casper's eyes, where the pupils are, you do see other eyes behind them.

[51:44] You know, he's got double eyes. Like a doll's eyes, yeah.

[51:48] Yeah, this is the kind of costume where if it was a modern day, you'd be like,

[51:52] they went out and got a vintage costume, but it's set in the 60s.

[51:55] So this is, at the time, a current costume. I don't know if that makes me like it more or less.

[51:59] If he's the kind of kid who's just wearing whatever costume he buys in the store,

[52:02] or if he's a Rushmore-type kid who's going out of his way to get a vintage costume.

[52:08] So I think we've had a wide range of feelings about this, and I think they're all valid.

[52:13] How do we make this a Halloween Michael Myers movie?

[52:17] They're on the run, on the road. Do they run into Michael Myers somewhere?

[52:21] What if instead of the kid, he takes Michael Myers hostage?

[52:26] Well, like little Michael Myers, who also wore a stupid looking costume.

[52:30] Oh, yes, he's wearing that William Shatner, and maybe this explains why,

[52:33] how it got painted white like that at some point.

[52:35] Well, he's a clown at the beginning of the movie, right? That's what he's wearing at the...

[52:38] Is that why?

[52:39] Yeah, real funny, killing people, Dan.

[52:42] What?

[52:43] Maybe that's your idea of hilarity, Dan.

[52:44] Oh, the costume is a clown costume.

[52:48] Dan's like, that's fake.

[52:49] I'm Michael Myers.

[52:51] The famous comedy Halloween in which funny man Michael Myers kills all these people.

[52:57] What if they're...

[52:59] Yeah, I like that idea, or what if Michael Myers is the one who takes the kid hostage,

[53:03] and he's got to learn how to be a slasher, and that's how he...

[53:05] Like lone wolf and cub.

[53:07] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like lone wolf and cub.

[53:09] What if Michael Myers is just a Jehovah's Witness,

[53:13] and he's just like sort of an extra in this movie?

[53:16] Oh, okay. He just shows up in the background.

[53:18] Yeah.

[53:19] Yeah.

[53:19] It would be funny if they're like, we're on the run.

[53:23] We're following this crook on the run, and they're like, we got a newsflash.

[53:27] There's also a guy murdering people at this suburb in California.

[53:30] Let them deal with it.

[53:31] We've got our own problem.

[53:32] Occasionally, he's in the background just watching them.

[53:35] Yeah, it's more of a Where's Waldo than a Halloween movie.

[53:39] All right, there's just one movie left on the list.

[53:42] This is another movie that is by a modern day master of scares,

[53:47] someone who brings such tension, such discomfort to the movies that they make.

[53:54] It is Affliction, directed by Paul Schrader from 1997.

[53:57] I remember a recent...

[53:59] Heartbeats.

[54:00] I remember a recent minute where you said,

[54:03] Dan, you can't just keep doing the same joke where you

[54:06] pretend that this is a small indie movie and it's a huge movie.

[54:08] Oh, that's right. I'm being a hypocrite.

[54:10] Well, what can I tell you?

[54:11] I've changed.

[54:12] Now I see it from the other side of the mirror.

[54:13] And Dan, I'm willing to admit I'm a big enough man to say I was wrong.

[54:16] You were wrong at the time.

[54:18] But now that I feel this way, you were right.

[54:19] And I'm right now.

[54:22] So when the facts change, I change with them.

[54:26] You were wrong back then.

[54:27] But now, obviously, things have changed.

[54:29] And now you're right.

[54:30] Yeah.

[54:30] So Affliction, a story of violence in between generations.

[54:36] It starts at Halloween.

[54:37] There really isn't a scene with Nick Nolte wearing a Halloween costume.

[54:41] But as you can see in this picture, he does have a kind of costume.

[54:44] Hallie, can you describe what he's wearing here?

[54:46] He's wearing an orange vest that says school.

[54:49] I'm assuming it's a crossing guard sort of vest.

[54:54] And over his heavy winter coat, along with orange gloves.

[54:59] Yep, that's it.

[55:00] So he's dressed as a crossing guard.

[55:02] I mean, it's not so much a costume because he is acting as a crossing guard in the scene.

[55:06] But I think it's good enough.

[55:08] It's a movie that starts at Halloween, you know.

[55:11] So guys, how would you judge this costume?

[55:14] And I want you to judge it in two ways.

[55:15] But Dan, you say what you're saying.

[55:16] I'm going to tell you there's two ways you can judge it.

[55:18] He's dressed as a crossing guard, but it's not the movie The Crossing Guard.

[55:22] So it's too confusing for me.

[55:23] And I just can't.

[55:24] I would have to give it a zero for that.

[55:26] But go on and say what the.

[55:28] All right.

[55:29] Well, I was going to say, judge it as a costume and also judge it as a Nick Nolte costume.

[55:33] How is it as a Nick Nolte costume?

[55:36] Yeah, no question.

[55:37] I would say the biggest problem with this is that if this is a Halloween costume,

[55:43] he has no bag to carry all the candy he's going to receive.

[55:47] So he gets a zero for me.

[55:49] Wow.

[55:49] This is a new metric I just made up.

[55:52] And it's not applied to any of my past scores.

[55:54] So retroactively, you're not adding that to everyone

[55:56] because none of the others had bags with them, I think.

[55:59] Yeah, no.

[55:59] For some reason, the lack of bag is terminal to this costume.

[56:03] Yeah, I will say I would give it a 10.

[56:06] You know exactly what he is.

[56:07] As soon as you see him, he disappears into the role of crossing guard.

[56:12] Excellent.

[56:13] And I was with Hallie, as I would say, also, it's you know exactly what he is.

[56:17] But also, you would say, oh, crossing guards, not that scary.

[56:20] If Nick Nolte was your crossing guard, you would be frightened.

[56:25] Don't move.

[56:26] The cars are coming.

[56:27] It would be really scary.

[56:28] Yeah.

[56:29] So I think I'm going to it's what I love is that we've had such a range of responses for each of

[56:34] these costumes.

[56:35] Some of these costumes have big fans and some have big detractors, sometimes the same same

[56:39] costumes.

[56:40] And you guys have really made your feelings felt and heard.

[56:43] That's what art's all about, Elliot.

[56:45] Exactly.

[56:45] Yeah.

[56:45] It's all in the eye of the beholder.

[56:47] You think I could do this?

[56:48] I don't think so.

[56:49] You couldn't do this and it wouldn't want to do this.

[56:51] Yeah.

[56:51] Why would it even try?

[56:52] What would be a possible reason?

[56:54] So finally, Affliction.

[56:56] How do we make this into a Michael Myers Halloween movie?

[56:59] Michael Myers has to cross the street.

[57:05] It's kind of like Frogger, but with Michael Myers.

[57:08] It's called Flasher.

[57:09] Yeah, yeah, I think that's yeah, the kids on the other side of the street.

[57:13] Michael Myers is there.

[57:13] He goes, I'm going to get across.

[57:15] I don't know when it's going to be safe to cross.

[57:16] That's when a heroic crossing guard costume wearer goes, I'm not a real crossing guard,

[57:22] but I guess I'll step in and take the role.

[57:25] And he's the hero of the moment.

[57:27] He's also got me.

[57:28] Then who see that?

[57:30] I got to be the change.

[57:31] I want to see in the world better to light a candle and then curse the darkness.

[57:35] So Michael Myers get across.

[57:38] Michael Myers kills those children.

[57:39] How does he feel about it?

[57:41] I've got to imagine probably probably torn because it's like it didn't want those kids

[57:46] dead.

[57:46] But the other hand, he did a great job of helping Michael Myers across the street.

[57:49] Yeah, well, the Paul Schrader movie.

[57:51] So, yeah, the tragedy fits.

[57:53] Can't drink or something.

[57:54] Can't look at himself at that point.

[57:56] Yeah.

[57:56] And then he falls in love with a robot as in Paul Schrader's masterpiece.

[57:59] And Prince of Tides is all just a memory of this.

[58:02] Now, wait, so what would it be if every Nick Nolte movie was the same character?

[58:06] So like then Prince of Tides comes before or after this one?

[58:10] That guy's having some mood swings.

[58:13] I mean, I feel like every Nick Nolte is just Nick Nolte.

[58:17] Yeah, that's fair.

[58:18] It's all the same guy.

[58:19] Yeah.

[58:19] Well, I'm glad we could enjoy our Halloween, our Halloween post Halloween discussion and

[58:25] celebration to wrap things up.

[58:28] To wrap things up, just to remind you, Karate Kid, surprisingly high marks for the shower.

[58:33] Tequila Mockingbird, surprisingly mixed results for the ham.

[58:36] Meet Me in St. Louis, not a big fan, mostly of the girls' costumes.

[58:40] Jurn Number Two, a costume that was pretty roundly criticized.

[58:44] E.T., mixed.

[58:46] Mean Girls, mixed.

[58:47] Donnie Darko, unimpressed.

[58:50] Perfect World, unsure.

[58:52] And Affliction, probably the highest to lowest swing that we've had.

[58:56] Zero on one side, ten on the other.

[58:58] Wow.

[58:59] It just doesn't get more exciting than this.

[59:01] I want to thank Dan and Stuart and Allie for being with me on this post Halloween trip

[59:06] through Halloween movies.

[59:08] I'd like to thank you, the listener.

[59:09] If you're still here, you may not be.

[59:11] And I want to thank our producer, Alex Smith, who has he's the only person I know who is

[59:16] definitely going to have listened to the whole thing all the way through.

[59:19] Alex Smith, take a look for his own comedy and musical work online.

[59:22] He goes, performs and puts it out under the name HowlDotty.

[59:25] His stuff is hilarious and he's incredibly talented.

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[59:32] of it.

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[59:46] What?

[59:49] Not everything needs to be said.

[59:51] Yeah, you're right.

[59:52] It's true.

[59:54] Not every thought needs to be said.

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[1:00:26] Maximum fun.

[1:00:27] A worker-owned network.

[1:00:29] Of artists-owned shows.

[1:00:30] Supported.

[1:00:31] Directly.

[1:00:32] By you.

FH Mini 140 - Halloween Costumes on Film, with Hallie Haglund

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