Ep.#463 - Until Dawn, with Hallie Haglund

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Until Dawn, an odd conclusion to Richard Linklater's Before Trilogy.

[0:31] Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:34] Oh, hey, that's Dan McCoy, and this is Stuart Wellington.

[0:37] I'm looking at Dan McCoy and Stuart Wellington, and I like what I see.

[0:40] My name is Elliot Kalin, and today we're joined by a very special guest.

[0:44] You might even call her the star of the show.

[0:46] Coming at you hot, this is Hallie Hagwin.

[0:49] Oh, wow.

[0:50] Wow.

[0:51] Too hot.

[0:52] Yeah, she's, uh, have you been moonlighting as a, uh, shock-shock radio deacon?

[0:56] Boo, boo, bur-bur-bur-bur-bur-bur.

[0:59] They call her the human soundboard, Hallie Hagwin.

[1:02] You straightened your shirt, and I thought you were like,

[1:04] yeah, I'm wearing this Neil Young shirt, where all the shock-shocks wear.

[1:07] Yeah.

[1:09] It does have a megaphone on it.

[1:11] Yeah.

[1:12] That feels kind of shock-shock-y.

[1:13] There are a lot of shock-shocks who are searching for a heart of gold.

[1:16] Yeah.

[1:17] Mm-hmm.

[1:18] Uh, well, we're all back in our respective coasts.

[1:20] Of course, I was just out there seeing Elliot briefly and Hallie briefly as well,

[1:26] and now there's two folks on each coast.

[1:29] It's all balanced out.

[1:30] It's all comfortable.

[1:31] Finally, the American continent won't flip over anymore.

[1:33] Yeah.

[1:34] Guys, real quick, let's be real for a second.

[1:36] Dan, cover your ears.

[1:38] Was Dan a good guest, or was he a real pain in the ass?

[1:41] No, Dan was a great guest.

[1:43] He rolled with some scheduling mishaps that were my fault,

[1:46] and he did a great job with it, very unlike him,

[1:49] and I felt like he showed a lot of maturity and development.

[1:52] He was very good with my younger son.

[1:54] He drew Italian brain rot after Italian brain rot at my son's request.

[1:58] So Dan was a great, good guest.

[2:00] Yeah.

[2:01] Oh, thank you.

[2:02] Yeah.

[2:03] You did it.

[2:04] I was listening.

[2:05] I didn't follow your instructions.

[2:07] You didn't put your hands over the headphones that are on your ears right now?

[2:10] Yeah, I tried.

[2:11] I didn't do anything.

[2:12] You put them inside the headphones.

[2:13] It's possible.

[2:14] Yeah.

[2:15] Yeah, because Dan is a flat Stanley.

[2:16] He's got very thin fingers.

[2:18] Yeah.

[2:19] Flat Stanley.

[2:20] Thank you.

[2:23] This is, of course, Shocktober.

[2:26] We're doing our second.

[2:27] Oh.

[2:28] Yeah.

[2:29] Sorry to shock you.

[2:30] Yeah.

[2:31] I've installed Tingler things in your little seats.

[2:34] Yeah.

[2:35] Yeah.

[2:36] And, of course, we did Imaginary last week.

[2:39] Of course.

[2:40] Or last episode, not last week.

[2:42] Here's where my head is at.

[2:43] Here's where my head is at.

[2:44] I forgot we did Imaginary, so I kept being like,

[2:46] am I watching the right movie?

[2:48] Did I get it wrong?

[2:49] What's going on?

[2:50] Did I?

[2:51] Oh, wait.

[2:52] And I had to keep looking up our schedule that we have internally.

[2:54] Yeah.

[2:55] Be like, oh, yeah, Imaginary.

[2:56] Oh, yeah, that's a movie.

[2:57] Why?

[2:58] So what are we watching now?

[2:59] So I.

[3:00] Yeah, like you were in some kind of weird, like, time loop.

[3:02] Exactly.

[3:03] That you could get out of.

[3:04] Exactly.

[3:05] And I texted.

[3:06] It was scarier than any of the movies we watched.

[3:07] I texted Hallie with the option of watching either Imaginary or Until Dawn,

[3:11] and she was like, people would expect me to do Imaginary.

[3:15] Yeah.

[3:16] So I think I'm going to pick Until Dawn.

[3:18] Well, did I make a bad choice?

[3:19] Was Imaginary.

[3:20] No.

[3:21] What did you guys think of Imaginary?

[3:22] Bad.

[3:23] I mean, neither of these are.

[3:24] I mean, they're on the Flophouse.

[3:25] Both of them.

[3:26] So there is no good choice.

[3:27] So what does that tell you?

[3:28] I feel like the last few movies I've watched for the Flophouse have been really good.

[3:31] I mean, you watched, what, Italian Mafia Mama, right?

[3:33] Exactly.

[3:34] Yeah, that one rocks.

[3:35] That's true.

[3:36] The last one I watched was.

[3:37] Oh, the monkey one.

[3:38] That was so good.

[3:39] Oh, yeah.

[3:40] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[3:41] Solid Man.

[3:42] What's it called?

[3:43] Real Man.

[3:44] Oh.

[3:45] Rock and Roll Man.

[3:46] Better Man.

[3:47] I'm not going to.

[3:48] The best movie of the century.

[3:49] I was, I was, I went to a video store and I asked for it because I like to watch things

[3:52] on physical media and I go, can you give me a copy of Better Man?

[3:55] And they looked and looked and they can't find a better man.

[3:58] Wow.

[3:59] That's still paying dividends there.

[4:02] No, I would say I don't want to tip my hand too much about where we're going with this.

[4:06] I won't say any more than this, but I definitely enjoyed this more than I enjoyed Imaginary.

[4:12] For sure.

[4:13] Yeah.

[4:14] Yeah.

[4:15] Do we want to get in on this piece?

[4:16] Yeah.

[4:17] It's rare that we get to watch a movie where this many people explode during the movie.

[4:20] Yeah.

[4:21] It's true.

[4:22] Some, some multiple times.

[4:23] High on the Explodometer.

[4:24] Yeah.

[4:25] Explodometer.

[4:26] Guys, I just, before we get into this, I, you know, we got to address the elephant in

[4:31] the room and that elephant is the fact that this, this is a movie based on a video game.

[4:40] It's a video game.

[4:41] Hence the PlayStation Studios logo at the beginning.

[4:43] Yeah.

[4:44] Yeah.

[4:45] Yeah.

[4:46] I'm assuming you're a big fan of the video game.

[4:47] Is that true?

[4:48] Huge, huge until dawn head.

[4:49] Now, Until Dawn is a, is like a semi, uh, like FMV game where you just like wander around

[4:50] exploring and there's occasional moments where you have to do like little, uh, you have to

[4:51] like hit a button at the right time or something, ripped your head off.

[4:52] Jump over something.

[4:53] Yeah.

[4:54] Yeah.

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[5:23] Yeah.

[5:24] Well, not there's very little jumping.

[5:25] It's like a, not an action game.

[5:26] It's more like a weird movie exploring game.

[5:27] Collect coins, any coins to throw at the slasher to be like, can I pay you off?

[5:28] And this is a video game that is like, it basically is a re it's attempting to recreate

[5:34] the feel of like watching a horror movie, but you get to make all the calls.

[5:38] Yeah.

[5:39] Um, and it had a, uh, it had a bunch of calls are coming from inside the U and the, uh, yeah,

[5:45] that was, that was their initial tagline is it work for some reason?

[5:48] We're like, there's a killer with a phone in my tummy.

[5:51] Yeah.

[5:52] Uh, that's how I feel sometimes now it sounds like a yellow, there's a killer with a phone

[5:58] in my tummy.

[5:59] I mean, that's a great title, the first yellow, the, uh, so, and, and the video game has a

[6:08] cast of, you know, teens involved in a murder thing.

[6:13] And those, uh, those characters are voiced and the characters resemble the actors that

[6:18] play them, including Hayden panic terror, panic terror, panic terror, uh, and Rami Malek.

[6:24] I think this is what actually got him, uh, got him his Academy award, not Bohemian Rhapsody.

[6:28] Uh, and of course, Peter Strohmeyer, who in the, uh, in the game is kind of like a, uh,

[6:34] is kind of like a crypt keeper type figure.

[6:36] Who's like narrating things and kind of, uh, doing like, like little chapter heads.

[6:41] Uh, and he's kind of playing the same role that he ends up playing this movie spoiler

[6:45] alert, but he's less of an antagonist.

[6:47] He's just, you know, there.

[6:48] And I think that of the current working actors, Peter Strohmeyer is a pretty good choice for

[6:53] like a, like a human crypt key unexpectedly.

[6:56] This is one of the few semi recent, I mean, it's like a decade old now, but like they

[7:00] did a remaster of it, like a semi recent game that I actually have some experience

[7:04] of.

[7:05] Yeah.

[7:06] And it's, it's a weird thing where like a leisure suit layer in a while, but like this

[7:13] got a lot of, I think, uh, shit from people who played the game because it introduces

[7:19] this like time loop element that has nothing to do with the game.

[7:23] It's not a game at all.

[7:24] But the thing is like, I understand like why they made that choice because as Stuart said,

[7:29] the game is just an attempt to be like, can we make a slasher movie as a game and like

[7:35] have that be the experience.

[7:37] And if you transform it back into a movie, it's just like, well, okay, it's just a slasher

[7:41] movie.

[7:42] Yeah.

[7:43] Like I understand why they thought they should do a playthrough of the movie.

[7:46] That's like a slasher movie.

[7:47] You can.

[7:48] Yes.

[7:49] They've made many of them.

[7:50] Yeah.

[7:51] Like, whereas this like kind of is like, I guess they're going off the conceptual idea

[7:53] of like, like a video game, you can reset, you know, you go back to a different point.

[7:57] You can try something else to see if your choices are better.

[8:00] But after a while, you turn into a weird monster.

[8:02] Yeah.

[8:03] Just like a video game.

[8:04] You turn into a windigo.

[8:05] Turn into an incel.

[8:06] They're, they're, I will say, they're, they're, they're depicting a depicted, they're depiction

[8:12] of windigos.

[8:13] I felt like it was a little, a little loose.

[8:15] Yeah.

[8:16] They're ghouls.

[8:17] It's a, the windigo, for those who don't know, is a first nation monster that, uh, a hunger

[8:23] spirit.

[8:24] Yeah.

[8:25] It often has to do with cannibalism.

[8:26] Yeah.

[8:27] You turn into one.

[8:28] If you eat another person, sometimes.

[8:29] Why do you say first nation?

[8:30] What's first nation?

[8:31] Well, like a native American, indigenous Canadian.

[8:33] Oh, that's what I thought.

[8:34] But then I was like, that couldn't be what he's talking.

[8:36] No, that's exactly what it is.

[8:37] Oh, okay.

[8:38] Howie, the indigenous peoples, the Americas have a rich folklore of monsters.

[8:41] I believe, I know that, but I just didn't know that Dan was so well versed.

[8:45] Dan's a big fan of the BPRD and the, uh, the issues with the windigo character.

[8:49] Those are great issues.

[8:50] But Dan, I'm not sure also mostly knows the windigo from his appearances in Marvel comics,

[8:54] where he's, uh, where he was there when Wolverine first appeared.

[8:56] Yeah.

[8:57] He just says his name a lot.

[8:58] Right.

[8:59] He does.

[9:00] He always goes, when do you go?

[9:01] As if he's always introducing himself.

[9:02] He's like a Pokemon character.

[9:03] Yeah.

[9:04] Yeah.

[9:05] And you got to catch them all.

[9:06] Yeah.

[9:07] Cause they'll eat you if you don't.

[9:08] Just like Pikachu.

[9:09] Yeah.

[9:10] But don't eat them.

[9:11] What do you think Pikachu is?

[9:12] Pikachu is human flesh.

[9:13] And how about let us go on with this summary.

[9:17] So we have a, you're right, Sue, you're right, Sue, the minute the mic turned on, your hangover

[9:23] disappeared.

[9:24] I'll allow it.

[9:26] Only good stuff.

[9:27] Uh, okay.

[9:28] So this is a modern horror movie.

[9:30] So you know, this bitch starts with a cold open.

[9:33] Always.

[9:34] Uh, we have a young woman covered in dirt, climbing through some tunnels.

[9:37] This is Melanie.

[9:38] Uh, and she is running from some flesh eating ghouls.

[9:41] She claws her way out of this, uh, tunnel grave type thing.

[9:45] It feels a lot like we're watching The Descent.

[9:47] Yeah.

[9:48] Yeah.

[9:49] Yeah.

[9:50] Uh, there's going to be a lot of things in this movie.

[9:51] They're going to remind you of other better movies.

[9:53] Um, so she claws her way out of the dirt, uh, only to be confronted with a masked slasher

[9:59] character.

[10:00] She moves her butt a lot more than she needs to also.

[10:04] Did you notice when she's climbing out?

[10:06] Well, what is need? That's the thing.

[10:09] Slowing her down.

[10:11] And I think it's also...

[10:13] So you're like, less shimmying.

[10:15] Less shimmying when you're trying to get away.

[10:17] Yeah, like she's stutting on those ghouls.

[10:19] She's like, look, you can't catch me.

[10:21] You could have all this, but you ghoul it.

[10:25] I gotta get away from these ghouls.

[10:30] So she's confronted by this masked killer

[10:32] and before he kills her, she says,

[10:34] like, please don't kill me again.

[10:36] And you're like, what, again?

[10:38] Okay, cut.

[10:41] To like a year later, I think.

[10:43] We have five friends who are trying to track down one of their...

[10:49] Did you think, as I did, sorry that I'm interrupting right away,

[10:52] that their apartment was huge?

[10:54] Yes, Dan, it's a huge apartment in New York City.

[10:57] How could they afford it on their salaries?

[10:59] Impossible, but it's TV, come on.

[11:01] It was a mistake to make all of these characters...

[11:03] They always get the same table at the coffee place

[11:05] and it's clearly the most desirable table

[11:07] because it's where the couches are.

[11:09] What, do they have someone staking out that table at all times?

[11:11] It's a TV show, it's okay.

[11:13] So it's a slasher, so all the characters are going to be

[11:15] somewhat interchangeable in the first place

[11:17] and they made all of these characters brunette.

[11:20] The most different is one of them is Asian,

[11:22] I think from her name that she's Korean,

[11:24] but that's it.

[11:26] It was too similar in terms of the casting.

[11:29] I mean, there's only two other girls,

[11:32] so you just wanted...

[11:34] It was impossible for you to keep track of the difference

[11:37] between these two girls with brown hair.

[11:39] I'm not saying I couldn't do it.

[11:41] I'm saying that I know that when you're casting these things,

[11:45] a good rule of thumb is let's get a variety of people in here

[11:48] and you've got a fighter, a cleric, a rogue.

[11:51] Yeah, a ranger.

[11:52] This was not an issue for me.

[11:54] No, I think what helped me with telling them apart

[11:56] was they all had different faces.

[11:57] Yeah.

[11:58] They did, yeah.

[11:59] And characters.

[12:00] I could fucking tell them apart,

[12:02] but I know people who have trouble with this shit

[12:04] and I guarantee you that the sort of person

[12:07] who has trouble with this would have a lot of trouble with this.

[12:09] Dan's really into old-time radio,

[12:11] so he likes to watch his TV with his eyes closed.

[12:13] Well, if that was the case,

[12:15] one of them has a very distinctive voice.

[12:17] No, you can have objections.

[12:19] No, no, no, due to overwhelming pushback.

[12:22] One of them reminded me a lot of Pamela Adlon,

[12:24] which makes sense because it was Pamela Adlon's daughter.

[12:26] Damn it!

[12:27] Yeah.

[12:28] Okay, so speaking of these five friends,

[12:31] we have Clover, who is the one missing a sister.

[12:36] We have Nina, who is her friend,

[12:38] who has, I don't know, like a rocky history of relationships.

[12:42] We have Nina's newest boyfriend, Abe,

[12:44] who is tall and drives.

[12:46] I thought it was very funny his name was Abe,

[12:48] not a name I associate with tall, handsome guys,

[12:50] other than the original, the tallest and the handsomest,

[12:54] Abraham Lincoln.

[12:55] Abe Sapien.

[12:56] Yeah, Abe Sapien, the tall, handsome fish man.

[12:58] But every time they'd be like,

[13:00] Abe, where's Abe?

[13:01] And I'm like, I kept imagining an old man, you know.

[13:04] We have Max and we have Megan.

[13:07] Megan is psychic.

[13:09] Can I just say,

[13:10] there's a part in here where they make a point of how,

[13:13] Nina always breaks up with the boyfriends after like

[13:17] three months or whatever.

[13:19] And Danny said, I can fix her.

[13:21] No, I thought this movie was going to,

[13:24] knowing that there was a time loop,

[13:25] I thought they were going to make hay out of the fact

[13:27] that she was now stuck with this dude,

[13:29] and there was no payoff for that at all.

[13:31] I felt that that was a set up without a punch line.

[13:34] It's just character stuff.

[13:35] It's just character texture, you know.

[13:37] I have a question.

[13:38] How old do you guys think these people were supposed to be?

[13:40] Like 30?

[13:41] I mean, they could be.

[13:43] It was like, they could be 18 or 30.

[13:45] I had no idea.

[13:46] I assume they were all like 23, maybe 22.

[13:49] Yeah.

[13:50] I don't know.

[13:51] Like fresh out of college?

[13:52] Fresh out of college, exactly.

[13:53] Or Compton.

[13:54] I guess.

[13:55] Or the box.

[13:56] I mean, I think they're in the-

[13:57] Again, not diverse enough to be fresh out of Compton.

[14:00] No, well, they're exchange students, I guess, in Compton High.

[14:03] But I assume that these were all kids

[14:06] who were fresh out of college, exactly.

[14:07] But you're right.

[14:08] It could be.

[14:09] There's a flashback to Clover and her sister, who they're looking for.

[14:11] We'll find out.

[14:12] Arguing, and it's like they're in a house.

[14:15] It's like, do they own this house?

[14:17] Have they just inherited it?

[14:18] Are they just visiting?

[14:19] Are they squatting?

[14:20] I've heard of looking over a clover, but a clover looking for someone else?

[14:28] I got the audience back.

[14:30] Thank you, Dan.

[14:31] You got them back with a surplus.

[14:33] Now you can say a couple of racist things and we'll still be on your side.

[14:35] No!

[14:36] I don't know how good that was.

[14:37] I wouldn't, though.

[14:38] Okay, so they are on a road trip trying to track down Clover's missing sister, Melanie,

[14:44] who we would remember from moments ago in the cold open.

[14:47] They stop at a-

[14:48] Cold open Melanie, they call her.

[14:49] They stop at a rural gas station where they have a brief-

[14:54] We get a little bit of character background,

[14:56] and we have a brief interaction with gas station attendant, Peter Stromare,

[15:00] which I don't know about you guys.

[15:01] I'd be like, I'm leaving.

[15:03] Yes.

[15:04] No, thank you.

[15:06] It is real Texas Chainsaw Massacre roadside barbecue vibes here where it's like,

[15:11] you know this guy's bad news.

[15:13] You should get out of this place.

[15:15] And spoiler alert, he will come back later, and he is the antagonist of the movie.

[15:20] Peter Stromare?

[15:21] Yep.

[15:22] Well, his character is-

[15:23] I don't know.

[15:24] He's like something hill or something.

[15:26] It is very funny to have a guy with an accent as thick as his

[15:30] attempting to be just a roadside guy on an American rural highway.

[15:34] I also like his haircut a lot.

[15:35] Yes.

[15:36] It's really cool.

[15:37] Yeah.

[15:38] And he gives them a lead that there's a nearby town or area called Glore Valley

[15:45] where there's been a lot of missing people.

[15:48] Glore Valley feels to me like-

[15:49] Check it out.

[15:50] It sounds to me like a place that orcs would live, you know?

[15:52] Yeah.

[15:53] Well, I-

[15:54] I wrote it down in my notes for my next RPG campaign.

[15:56] Before the time loop was explained,

[15:59] I was worried that the twist was going to be that they were literally in a video game

[16:03] called Return to Gore Valley or something like that.

[16:06] But it wasn't.

[16:08] That's the kind of idea that is both too clever and too stupid.

[16:11] Yeah.

[16:12] That's what I specialize in.

[16:14] Okay.

[16:17] So while they're trying to find Glore Valley, they get caught in this crazy rainstorm,

[16:22] and they want to turn back.

[16:24] But then they find a very odd pocket of area, I guess, of land where there is no rain at all.

[16:32] It's like the eye of the storm.

[16:33] James Bond's villain odd pocket.

[16:35] He pulls, like, weapons out of his pocket.

[16:38] He throws, like-

[16:39] How do you have that in there?

[16:40] Lint and stuff.

[16:41] You know, whatever's in the pocket.

[16:42] Yeah, exactly.

[16:43] Here's a thimble.

[16:44] In my hands, anything is a weapon.

[16:49] Pulls a gun out of his pocket.

[16:50] But that is a weapon.

[16:51] Hold on a second.

[16:53] But odd pocket can turn anything into a weapon.

[16:55] Pulls a knife out of his pocket.

[16:56] Again, anyone can use that as a weapon.

[16:58] Pocket's not seeming that odd today, odd pocket.

[17:01] But I just have one.

[17:02] I just have one.

[17:03] I just have the one pocket.

[17:04] I sewed the other one shut.

[17:05] Oh, okay.

[17:06] But my hand was still in it, so I can't fight with that hand.

[17:08] Like a kangaroo.

[17:10] Yeah.

[17:11] Kangaroos do pull weapons out of their pockets.

[17:16] As I said, they find the one odd pocket of clear air.

[17:22] And in this little, like, glade, I guess, there is a-

[17:25] The Glore Glade, yeah.

[17:26] Yep, there's a visitor's center.

[17:28] Classic Glore Glade.

[17:31] There is a visitor's center for Glore Valley, and that is it.

[17:34] It's otherwise an empty area.

[17:37] So they, of course, park that car.

[17:39] They don't want to go back out in that rainstorm.

[17:42] They begin exploring, finding all kinds of odd things in this visitor's center.

[17:47] I want to give a little back story here for a second for the listener.

[17:49] Now, of course, our friend Stephen Kostansky has a movie out, Deathstalker.

[17:55] And Stuart was honored to be the moderator for a Q&A last night.

[18:00] I believe you're doing one again tonight.

[18:02] Uh-huh, yep.

[18:03] And, you know, afterwards, went out with Stephen, had a few drinks.

[18:07] And so now the Until Dawn-style challenge that Stuart has to get through is to be the person doing the summary with a hangover while we all interrupt over and over again.

[18:20] At this point, I'm just like water.

[18:21] I'm like whatever.

[18:22] Just go along with it, baby.

[18:24] Now, if you were these people and you were in a visitor's center like this, would you be suspicious as soon as you saw the wall-mounted hourglass with a skull on it?

[18:34] Or would you say I'm going to continue to explore after seeing it?

[18:37] Continue to explore.

[18:38] Okay.

[18:39] I've played a lot of these video games.

[18:40] The first thing I do, find the bathroom to make sure it works because they were just driving.

[18:45] It was rainy.

[18:46] You know you got to go to the bathroom.

[18:47] Yeah, but I was just imagining in a video game that you need to find the bathroom.

[18:50] But that bathroom, once they get in there, it's very dangerous to be in there.

[18:53] You don't want contact with that water as we'll get to.

[18:55] Yeah.

[18:56] They check the – what else?

[18:58] They check the ledger.

[18:59] Yeah, there's a ledger.

[19:01] Yeah, here are the mysterious items.

[19:03] There's this mysterious clock with an hourglass and a skull.

[19:06] Journey to the mysterious items, yeah.

[19:07] There's the guestbook ledger that people sign in that is filled with the same names over and over that get crazier and crazier as they – like looser and more haphazard.

[19:19] Sloppier, yeah.

[19:20] That's a detail I liked.

[19:21] Like certainly in a better horror movie, I would like it a lot where it's the same name being signed in again and again but it deteriorates over time.

[19:30] And then of course there's a big punch board filled with missing person things that I think doesn't have any other information other than it says missing and their picture.

[19:40] And a picture.

[19:41] So this is – once it was made clear this is kind of like a semi-supernatural thing, I was like, okay, that's fine.

[19:47] But then seeing them again – seeing them for the first time, I was like, what kind of missing posters are these?

[19:53] Like literally, yeah, there's no contact information.

[19:55] There's no name.

[19:56] So all it's telling you is this –

[19:58] Is this your reward?

[19:59] No.

[20:00] This –

[20:00] is missing. Do what you will with that information, you know, but it's because it's all supernatural,

[20:04] you know, scary, spooky.

[20:06] What I do think was a good scene when she go when Megan gets pretty close to here when

[20:13] she gets taken over by whatever spirit and then she goes in front of the board and she's

[20:18] pointing at each of the missing. Yeah, that was great. Yeah. And she's doing their voices.

[20:23] She might win an Oscar. Yeah, you heard it here, folks. Halle gets it. She wins the whole

[20:31] Oscar pool. So they explore a little bit. Obviously, they're all confused and they're

[20:39] like trying to trying to get a piece together what's going on. They find that there's a

[20:44] basement area that is actually feels more like a ground floor because there's windows

[20:49] down there and it's fully furnished. It's beautiful. I feel like you read this. Yeah.

[20:57] Unfortunately, there's already there's a unwanted guest and that is the masked maniac who begins

[21:03] chopping them all up. And there's some good. I don't know. How do you feel about I thought

[21:08] the there's a bit where Max tries to smash the maniac over the back with a chair and

[21:13] then the maniac stabs him through the eyeball with a chair leg or something and it's like

[21:19] I pops out and I thought that was a cool bit. What do you think, Dan? Yeah, I mean, like

[21:23] there's this is, you know, for what could be, you know, as a sort of teen horror movie,

[21:32] it could be the sort of like PG-13 slop that we got for a long time. There's a lot of fun,

[21:39] weird gore that happens in this movie. And I also think that if I had watched it in this

[21:44] movie, not knowing anything about it, it would have been sort of shocking to me. I think to

[21:51] some degree that like there's like, oh, we're going on a speed run of killing off all of the

[21:55] characters. Yeah. All the characters are now. Wait, though, I had a I had an issue with this

[21:59] part because in the first attack, the monster seems like impervious to violence. They keep

[22:08] trying to kill him and nothing kills him. And then that you think that that's going to be like

[22:12] a defining detail of these monsters as you continue, but then they can totally kill them

[22:17] later. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's weird. I think there's there's some kind of

[22:21] an element where as we'll later find out that everything is kind of born out of her specific

[22:27] fears or phobias, that the idea of like an unstoppable monster is one of them. But as

[22:32] they become more used to it, it becomes less. It has less power over them, I think. Yeah,

[22:37] that's that would be my guess. Yeah. That once they once they stop being as afraid because

[22:41] my the thing I had with this was, yeah, that these these bad guys, this happens in horror

[22:48] movies, though, I feel like where as the movie gets on, the bad guy becomes less impervious

[22:52] just because like the movie's got to end at some point. But especially the characters

[22:56] are they become less afraid over time, which is understandable because. Once you know that

[23:01] you're going to get killed a bunch of times, I feel like getting killed becomes less scary.

[23:05] Yeah. Right. Well, and that idea, the idea of like this being like, as you say, Stuart,

[23:12] a reflection of her fears like that idea, like come so late in the movie that I I'm

[23:17] of two minds of like like the rest of the movie seemed like there's such a mishmash

[23:22] of stuff like it was like I couldn't get scared by any of it because it felt like a haunted

[23:28] house, like we're going to throw everything at you.

[23:31] We got a monster in this one, which which which what the fuck do we do with anything?

[23:36] If I spoiler, this is something I like about the movie. Is there like it has been? Has

[23:39] it been in a horror movie before? Sure. Throw it into this one. Why not put it in the bag?

[23:44] Jumble it around. And I think when at the end, when Peter Stramer was like, this is

[23:47] a it's a reflection of your fears, I was like, this feels like he doesn't really understand

[23:52] what he's talking about and making it up. No, I would have been funny if he was like,

[23:56] yeah, so you've probably seen horror movies and this is what you think about.

[24:00] I like the variety. You're a big horror fan, aren't you? Not really. Yeah, it's fucking

[24:05] Psycho Manus over here reading her memory card. I like the variety for sure. I just

[24:09] kind of feel like, well, would this work better if it was just literally like, oh, we went

[24:13] to a haunted house that somehow came to life and every like weird thing could be because

[24:19] when the bad guys are chasing by the end, it does feel very haunted.

[24:21] Hey, ride, you know, Halloween nights, like 13 nights at Freddy's. OK, many nights. OK.

[24:29] He's like, I've got to get these people out of here. I only got to stay for five nights

[24:33] and 13. You know what Franklin said, guests and fish stink after three days. And it's

[24:39] been way longer than that. How do we get them out of here? I think he calls him Ben. I think

[24:42] they know each other. OK, so Franklin stayed at Freddy's for three nights and said, I understand.

[24:48] I don't want to stay longer than that, Frederick. Man, you're really yeah, you're really got

[24:53] a lot of the impressions tonight. Whenever Ben visits, he brings that mouse along with

[24:58] him. So all our characters are dead and then they wake up back in the place they were when

[25:06] they first started exploring the visitor center. We got a time loop situation. So our characters

[25:13] kind of like argue a little bit trying to figure out exactly what happened in this process.

[25:19] They're like kind of a continue exploring. Megan has her psychic episode where she seems

[25:25] to be possessed and then dies. Then Clover gets dragged by some invisible force into

[25:31] a new house that had appeared across the way that has all kind of scary stuff on it. Inside

[25:37] we have like a creepy old witch with a oxygen tank and the witch pins her down and basically

[25:45] explains that like they're trapped in a cursed mining town that was swallowed up by the earth

[25:51] and that if you don't survive the night, you become one with the night like Bane.

[25:56] And then she then she puts that gas mask on Clover's mouth and then that turns it like

[26:01] possesses her and then she kills someone and everybody dies again. That's just kind of turns

[26:06] into just deteriorates into dust, right? Yeah. Yeah. And there are also tons of those like

[26:12] harlequin masks around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. Like I watch Domino

[26:18] masks. Yeah, it was around here that I was like, oh, this movie is just going to throw

[26:22] a bunch of stuff in and I was like, all right, movie, let's see what other stuff you got.

[26:26] You know, I got to say, like, as much as I objected to it to some degree, like if you're

[26:31] not going to make a like a good movie, make a grab bag like this for me. I was like, you

[26:37] know what? There are obviously differences between this movie and Cabin in the Woods.

[26:41] But there are some times where I was like, you know what? This is like if Cabin in the

[26:44] Woods didn't think it was so fucking smart and like wasn't wasn't wasn't trying to be

[26:48] wasn't so smug about being clever. And I like Cabin in the Woods, but I think it's it's

[26:51] obviously a better movie than this. But there are times I really admire this movie is like,

[26:55] you know what? We're making a kind of dumb slasher movie. Let's throw as many monsters

[26:58] in as we can. Let's throw as much stuff in as we can. What do we let's why not pretend

[27:03] we're doing something more than we are, you know? Yeah. So the next time loop, they try

[27:07] to barricade themselves. I self said this movie and they they barricade themselves in

[27:11] a bathroom and they're like, man, I'm thirsty. So they start drinking some water out of the

[27:17] tap and then that water makes them all explode. And this is the best scene in the movie. Maybe

[27:23] I don't know. What did you think, Callie? Was this too much for you? All these people

[27:26] exploding. It's just too much for me. Honestly, I was eating lunch as I was watching the part

[27:32] where the Megan explodes and she explodes just like in pieces. And when her stomach got all

[27:37] big, I was like, I think I'm going to throw up. Yeah, it was too much. I didn't like this.

[27:42] This movie, I'll say, was bloodier than I expected and grosser than I expected.

[27:46] The one thing it doesn't have that would make it more of a classic slasher is at no point

[27:50] does what's her name and a sneak off to have sex somewhere. Yeah, no sex while the others

[27:54] getting killed. And that's one thing it was missing to feel like, oh, this is like a real

[27:58] like like kind of kind of just throw a bunch of blood at you.

[28:03] You just do what Dan did, which is pause the movie in the middle and then pop in Red

[28:07] Shoe Diaries and watch the fuck out of that. Well, he is Dan. That's prescribed by his

[28:14] doctor that every every hour and a half he has to watch the Red Shoe Diaries.

[28:21] My attention deficit needs to be broken up by regular sense.

[28:27] You know, it would be funny if you discovered this was like all this movie was like sponsored

[28:31] by Sunny Delight or something like don't drink water. You can't trust water brought to you

[28:37] by RFK's anti-fluoridation campaign. Okay, so let me have a worm in your brain and collect

[28:45] dead bears. She did have a worm in her face. She did have a worm in her face at one point.

[28:49] I did have a worm in her face. So do you guys think it's because kids just aren't having as

[28:54] much sex these days that she got a worm in her face? Yeah, that's the number one cause of worms

[28:59] in face. Why? Why? There's why they never sneak off. There's no there's no hunger for it. Nobody

[29:05] I feel like there's I feel like I feel like at least based on what entertainment comes out for

[29:11] a lot of material is less sexual. I mean, in this particular scenario, where's the time to do it?

[29:23] There's just night after night after night. There's so many horror movies, Dan, where people

[29:27] are getting killed. Think about think about the crazy body horror you could have done with like

[29:32] a wiener with a mouth on it or something. And they get and they get stuck together.

[29:39] Sure. Yeah. Like a certain movie that just came out this year. I know what you're saying. Oh,

[29:43] yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that one. Yeah. In slasher movies, usually the sex happens

[29:47] between characters that don't know the slasher's there yet. That's true. They don't know it's the

[29:50] early part of the movie. Once people are running away from slasher, they're not like, hold on,

[29:54] let me get my pants down. If I was in a slasher movie, I'd still do it. I'm built different.

[30:00] Here's how you do it. You set up that these characters are always horndogging each other

[30:03] and they realize they're like, hey, what would be hotter than doing it in danger?

[30:07] Like doing it when we know we not only can we get caught at any moment,

[30:10] we get caught and murdered at any moment. It's like crash.

[30:14] It's like crash. It's like crash. Instead of cars and slashers.

[30:17] Yeah, exactly. Slash.

[30:21] David Cormer, where are you? Make this movie.

[30:24] And at that point, you know, Slash can write the theme song because his name's in the title.

[30:28] Oh, for sure. Well, he's the guy who starts. He stars in it, too. He's the one who starts

[30:32] the class. He's the wow. He's the Peter Stroman today. Yeah. Okay. No, here's the thing. He

[30:37] doesn't. He shows up early on in the movie and you don't recognize him because he doesn't have

[30:40] his sunglasses and hat on. And then later on, he shows up and he puts on the sunglasses and

[30:44] the hat. You're like, shit, that was slash the whole time. Yeah. And they for when he reveals

[30:50] they do a drum solo and you're like, what should be like a guitar sting? And then Sting walks out

[30:56] and goes, no, no, I'll play guitar. And he pulls out a mandolin. That's not your best impression

[31:00] at all. Oh, it's me. Sting. Hello. Is that better? Governor. We got to stop Slash.

[31:11] You blew my mind, Elliot, because I realized that, like, if you're going to become a celebrity,

[31:15] what you got to do is do it Slash style. You have like a couple of key items. Yeah. So you

[31:19] can maintain your privacy like no one's going to know who you are. Like if Charlie Brown goes out

[31:24] in the world without a zigzag shirt, no one's like, oh, you're right. A fictional character,

[31:28] Charlie Brown goes out in the world. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's just a bald child. I'm spinning

[31:33] a tale here, Elliot. But that's why my humor podcast is fair. No shirt on. Oh, Charlie Brown.

[31:42] Boy, it's me, Charlie Brown. Where's my dog? Yeah. Do you guys not know that all the characters

[31:48] in Peanuts have thick cockney accents? Except for the parents. No, no, no, no. That's how

[31:54] adults speak. Oh, yeah. That's hard gibberish slang. Yeah. Womp womp womp womp means up the

[32:00] stairs. OK, so we're in time loop number four. They do some more exploring and they find some

[32:07] videotapes. At least one of them is like a dirty movie, which is a weird choice. Yeah. Which is

[32:12] probably they were trying to sneak in there. Yeah, that was Dan Dan. It was from Dan's collection.

[32:16] Yeah. And then they find they find some video evidence of Peter Strohmeyer as an evil

[32:24] psychologist conducting experiments on people that are trapped and turning them from regular people

[32:30] into like flesh eating ghoul wendigos. And then he comes over the radio and he gives them masks.

[32:39] It is. They have fairly. Did you guys feel like the ghouls were more the masks were more rubbery

[32:45] than I expected them to be in a movie? OK, that's fine. It's just like there was I felt like there

[32:49] were a lot of great effects in this. And the one place that the effects fell down was those those

[32:53] ghoul faces always look like, again, people on like a haunted hayride. We're going to jump out

[32:56] and scare you. Yeah, but it allows them to do latex allergies. So that's your biggest fear.

[33:03] Oh, wow. That's really scary. OK, that's why. Yeah. Then never mind. A hundred percent make

[33:08] up people. You did a great job. But I think I like that the makeup effects allowed them to

[33:12] use actual stunt performers so they could do some like wacky body movements. Yeah, that's true.

[33:17] So they after this video, he like gives them an ultimatum and they're like, you can let one of

[33:22] your members die for real and the rest of you can escape. And, you know, they're like, no friends

[33:27] forever. They they split up for Clover. Clover runs off into the woods trying to find her sister

[33:34] because they're sure that her sister somehow is trapped here. And they find her. But at this

[33:39] point, she is monsterfied and they they all die. They realize they have to die because they need

[33:46] to figure this out. OK, so. At this point, they start realizing, like, wait, how many times have

[33:53] we died? Like, it's only been like four or five. Right. But nope. They check. They check the

[33:57] ledger. They have died like 13 times. And Megan is missing entirely. So to try and make up for

[34:02] the time loss, this is when they whip out his phone and look through his videos where we get

[34:08] little clips of creepypastas of like all the different ways they died. And there's a couple

[34:12] like good little gags. There's a I like the one where they're like they find an open doorway

[34:17] and there's there's just like a mask kind of floating in like at regular human height.

[34:22] And then it stands up and it's much larger. And they're like, oh, I thought that was cool.

[34:27] I like that. And that's the part with that's the part with the worm in the face where it's like

[34:30] she's got a worm in her face and trying to pull it out. And then it goes into her face and they're

[34:33] like, oh, and she's like, is it out? Did it fall out? Yeah, it's way worse. It's way worse.

[34:39] Again, like you said, it is very creepypasta, but it's like, that's fine. At this point,

[34:42] again, the movie is like horror grab bag. So like most of us, it's also like the equivalent of,

[34:47] you know, like in Groundhog Day where you get like a fast montage of a lot of things happening

[34:54] over time. You know, when Bill Murray drinks water and explodes. Yeah, exactly.

[34:59] Like, if we're going to do this, we don't want to see all of the 13 nights we got.

[35:02] Like, this is a good way of like getting in some like just general weirdness.

[35:06] I will say this movie did the thing that I always want these movies to do,

[35:10] which is when they realize they're in a time loop. One of them says it's like in that movie

[35:14] and someone else. There's a joke that goes, well, there's a lot of movies like that.

[35:17] But I think I like that more than in any of these movies for people like

[35:20] what's happening. We've got to puzzle it out. Hold on. Let's. How do we explain this? And it's

[35:25] always like these movies are famous. Just say it's like Groundhog Day like this. You know,

[35:30] it's OK if in this universe Groundhog Day exists or Palms and Rings or whatever,

[35:33] you know, but I like that. Or Happy Death Day or Happy Death Day of tomorrow. Yeah,

[35:38] exactly. Live, die, repeat. That's the same movie. All you need is that one,

[35:44] Stuart. And actually, Dan did. Live, die, repeat was the original one, right?

[35:48] As of tomorrow was the original. But I thought it was I thought it was

[35:51] originally called Live, Die, Repeat. Then they changed it to Edge of Tomorrow.

[35:54] Then. Yeah. But then they re released the movie under the other title.

[35:58] Yes. No, the book was late. Sorry. The book was all you need is kill. Yeah. The tagline was live,

[36:04] die, repeat. Oh, never mind titled Edge of Tomorrow. But then they were like the tagline

[36:08] is better than the title. So they re released it or released on video under live, die, repeat.

[36:13] OK, I misunderstood. I forgot that the first one was all you need is kill, which is I also don't

[36:17] love that that title. Yeah. Yeah. People are like, why did you call it all you need is killing?

[36:22] Because that's a bad title to get. All you need is kill. They could have called it dead again.

[36:26] No one's used that before, right? Uh-huh. You guys are talking about this for 13 nights.

[36:34] Hey, check out my back. Do I have cool spines?

[36:38] OK, you have the one. Yeah, pretty cool.

[36:41] So that's my scoliosis doctor. The survey was ragging on my spine.

[36:50] Straighten up spine. I'm trying. So watching the videos, they they learn the fate of Megan

[36:56] that she managed to survive one of those nights while recording Hill kind of like

[37:02] inspecting their dead bodies. And she follows him into the tunnels. So they're like, well,

[37:07] we got to find her. She's in the tunnel somewhere. So she survived. Why doesn't it just end in

[37:13] their dead and their monsters? Isn't the whole thing that someone has to make it through the

[37:17] night? I have no idea. I was wondering that, too. I think the movie at a certain point doesn't care.

[37:22] Maybe there's an explanation for also like how she's like, I'm going to go follow him.

[37:26] And then rules are weird. But she doesn't take the phone with her to record anything else so

[37:30] that they can get this message. So like, there's you know, the movie's just at this point,

[37:34] the movie is like, you got it. Let's just get into the end game. Come on. Enough of this.

[37:38] So. OK, so they they wander off into the tunnels into these old mining. Sorry,

[37:43] can I say one thing? Yeah, of course. No. OK, so this is only one, though.

[37:47] OK, just this just this one. That was the thing.

[37:52] All right. You can say two things. OK, so at this moment when someone's like, oh, we got to go.

[37:58] We got to go follow Megan. We got to go find her. This is a moment where Abe takes like

[38:02] the hard line is like, this is not a good idea, you guys. And this happens a few times in the

[38:07] movie where like one character makes a really has like a really strong opinion about one thing.

[38:13] And it's like, how did you get to this conclusion? It doesn't like I don't know

[38:18] why you guys think one thing is a bad idea versus another thing. Like there's no context for their

[38:24] like strong points of view. Did you guys do that? I think you're both right. And also, I'll say

[38:31] they're young people, you know, they're just picking up and putting down opinions left and

[38:34] right. You know, they're just trying on personas. Yeah. Maybe they heard. Maybe they got it from

[38:39] their mom. Maybe they got from a message board. I did like the one point where Abe was like,

[38:46] like they learned that someone has to die or whatever. And Abe is like, let's hear him out.

[38:53] Everyone else like, no, we're not going to just like, you know, but come on, let's listen to it.

[38:59] But that made sense because I thought it was like, but he's consistently the selfish one.

[39:03] But you're right. The idea that like, no, let's stay here and not go anywhere.

[39:06] Like, yeah, he feels that way is they all take turns being the one who's like,

[39:10] I don't want to do what the rest of the group wants to do, you know, but I will.

[39:15] My counterpoint to that is they're not really the most richly drawn characters.

[39:20] So I think it's they're just kind of doing whatever the plot needs them to do, you know?

[39:24] OK. We haven't mentioned that they're so beautiful. I think that did a lot for me.

[39:30] I just a good looking group of people looking at their faces. Yeah.

[39:33] You know how you know how usually each group has like one really handsome

[39:38] member and the others are kind of like monsters.

[39:46] I couldn't tell if it was that I was watching it.

[39:48] I'm like, are these all really good looking people or is it just that they are young?

[39:52] And so to my eyes, they look good looking because they have their whole lives ahead of them.

[39:56] They're not broken down. I know.

[39:59] I looked at a picture.

[40:00] myself five years ago I was like I could have been in this movie oh my god we're all at

[40:05] least we're all various levels of attractive especially for podcasters oh we're also now

[40:16] at the point we're watching this movie it's like oh these people are about 20 years younger

[40:20] than me like I was around their age when they were born which makes me feel old and yet

[40:24] they're still they're now dressing exactly like I dressed at that age fashion has gone

[40:30] full circle is what I'm saying they dress in a very 90s early alley you're a trendsetter

[40:34] oh my gosh thank you it was Hallie wasn't the 90s specifically Hallie yeah the costume

[40:42] designer suggested that uh Hallie influenced all our choices um so uh they follow uh they

[40:49] go into the tunnels uh they have some run-ins with some Wendigo's uh Clover finds her they

[40:58] don't take the opportunity to say where'd he go Wendigo they don't they don't do that

[41:02] Clover finds Megan who's on to go the classic Ava Costello first nation's routine yeah uh

[41:15] so they uh I don't know the roadrunner is always on to go like we need to list others

[41:20] yeah the energizer bunny always on to go yeah always

[41:25] so Clover finds Megan tied to a chair and there's a Wendigo trying to snatch her but

[41:31] he's chained to the wall but he's slowly pulling that uh his chain free uh classic escape room

[41:37] she investigates some more she finds uh it does I mean at this point it does feel like

[41:40] they're just going through a haunted house like yeah does she does she fight uh does

[41:44] she deal with her sister before she deals with um with Hill or is it the other way around I can't

[41:50] remember I think she deals with her sister first yeah so she runs into her sister and they wrestle

[41:57] around a bit and then she her sister's obviously totally monstrified look off your face it's not

[42:02] that kind of two sisters wrestling around for a little bit how dare you Alex put this video out

[42:07] show that my face was blank and I was zoning out zoning out because you were imagining two

[42:12] sisters were wrestling around yeah uh this was this is the thin veneer of like theme though that

[42:18] is in this movie of you know overcoming like putting trauma behind you moving on like he's

[42:23] like oh I'm no longer letting this tragedy define me by killing you yeah my sister yeah she used to

[42:30] kill her Wendigo sister then she uh are we too far away from my slander of you as a perv from

[42:35] a couple minutes ago to talk about the idea of you buying a ticket to the checkoff play three

[42:38] sisters and going oh this is gonna be sweet and then you'll be very surprised when you see

[42:45] okay uh so at least Robert Altman's three women will give me what I crave

[42:52] it's a weird fractured uh examination of identity I don't understand

[42:56] that's the one where John Cusack has all those people living in his head right

[43:00] yeah that's right I know it's Prue Taylor Vince calm down um so she uh Clover Foley was raving

[43:08] you're so mad yeah I fainted so she finds Hill's like uh office slash like evidence dungeon

[43:17] and they have a conversation he's drinking some coffee and while he's distracted she pushes his

[43:23] little coffee cup underneath a dripping pipe so water drips into it and he explains all this crap

[43:28] about like how everything's born out of her fears and like her fear is the engine that drives your

[43:33] special clover yeah okay riddle me this how did he make that coffee if he's never drank any water

[43:40] in that house he probably brings in his own bottled water I'll do you one more so as we've

[43:46] talked about the rules have gone at this point but like wasn't that just like a one night problem

[43:51] like that was the fear that water would make people explode a weird fear to have but he even

[43:57] says it's a weird fear to have yeah he said he's like the water was interesting that was pretty

[44:02] kooky that's how my mom died like if the water was a general problem he should probably fix those

[44:10] pipes rather than just he would think like a really bad like water balloon fight regardless

[44:16] you would expect him to fix the pipe that is directly over his desk that is leaking water

[44:20] on the or move the desk you know yeah but yeah his papers that were still scattered on the desk

[44:27] getting all wet yeah so she tricks him into drinking coffee and he he totally explodes

[44:33] he's like he gets the tummy rumbles for a second and then he explodes um and she's like I did it

[44:38] and then she's like someone's gonna die tonight it's gonna be you doctor uh-huh and then uh so

[44:44] she rescues megan from the windigo and then uh they all are like kind of fighting their way through

[44:50] the tunnel the other three uh confront that maniac and they use uh the power of friendship

[44:56] to overcome his his strength and they smash his head with a sledgehammer and i thought that was

[45:01] pretty cool and then that was a great i that was i have i rewound to watch that again because i was

[45:06] like this is so much gory than i expected in this movie is real good head splat yeah and then uh

[45:11] yeah they all run from uh the windigos chasing them and uh they managed to burst through to the

[45:18] surface they all survived uh they greet the dawn um and they escape the uh this section

[45:31] they say good morning starshine that the uh this is the section where it's like you're cutting back

[45:37] and forth between the hourglass is almost out it's on but they're but they're still being chased and

[45:41] the hourglass is always out i don't know if you guys felt this way i was like i got a movie like

[45:45] let's just empty that hourglass like i know no more slow come on sand because none of the

[45:51] characters have access to that information like we we know that the hour like i don't know i feel

[45:56] like it's unnecessary thing to show us like uh like we're not like what are they gonna do like

[46:03] trick us like uh i mean like where they show them being chased and you cut the hourglass and it

[46:09] drains out and you're like oh they're saved and you cut back and everybody's dead or turned into

[46:13] monsters already yeah yeah he was like oh that was a different time theoretically like i don't

[46:18] necessarily have a a problem with this hourglass is on eastern standard oh no like i wouldn't

[46:27] normally have a problem with it in this scenario i guess i i'm not like oh they're gonna if they're

[46:34] if if they're not gonna make it out it's not gonna be because this hourglass goes out i don't like i

[46:39] don't believe that as you know i know we're at the end of the movie i that is not it was like i

[46:43] know we're at the end i know they're gonna make it out so like let's just have it happen they're

[46:47] just cutting back and forth too much for me between that hourglass and then being chased by the same

[46:52] monsters you know yeah uh-huh um so they they escape and then it cuts to uh a shot of an office

[47:00] filled with cctvs and we see cch pounders actually uh-huh and uh we see cc me on that tv

[47:07] please uh and we see we see a different see me i don't want to get a reply on tv yeah bcc it yeah

[47:16] and we see a different property it looks like a ski lodge similar to a certain video game called

[47:24] until dawn oh so that was a little tip of the hat to the fans i guess and we get a little

[47:31] yep uh storm air whistling yeah yeah terrifying stuff um not since peter lorean m has a whistle

[47:40] been so chilling yeah uh because you know the dude is doing as a weird looking face what

[47:46] well i so wait in the video game is that like a different level that it's snowing instead of

[47:50] raining or what's the what is the nod in the so in the in the video game it all like that takes

[47:57] place in like a snowy ski lodge that's near this mining town that collapsed and in the in the game

[48:04] initially you think that there's some kind of mass killer who is stalking the characters but

[48:10] it turns out that's just a prank being played by one of the friends uh nobody's actually getting

[48:15] killed um unfortunately they happen to be doing this prank thing above a nest of wendigos

[48:24] so they have to escape the wendigos and that's the whole thing oh i see and then the one who's

[48:28] playing the pranks of course that's rami malek because he's the creepiest of the actors uh he

[48:34] gets like captured by wendigos oh but he sings his way out that would have been cool they should

[48:40] have had someone do a prank yeah pranks are pranks are better than movies hallie just wanted

[48:46] to be watching impractical jokers yeah yeah yeah you put a little headset you put a little earpiece

[48:53] in the wendigo and you're like okay so you're gonna try and not tell him tell him you want

[48:57] 3 000 hamburgers okay oh they keep running away from me okay you keep you keep eating the guy at

[49:05] the drive-thru we're trying to prank the guy at the drive-thru why'd we hire this guy works works

[49:11] for cheap um this is where we do our final judgments okay is this a good bad movie a bad

[49:18] bad movie or a movie uh you kind of like um i'm gonna go i'm gonna go bad bad but it came sort of

[49:26] close to be a movie i kind of liked it has this weird throwback feeling it doesn't it feels like

[49:32] an early 2000s uh horror movie in a way that like if it had actually come out at that time

[49:39] i feel like i would feel weird nostalgia for it and i and i could see in 20 years people being

[49:44] like you know what wasn't bad until dawn it's a little better than you remember and then they

[49:49] try to turn it into a franchise yeah yeah and if it came out then the the creepy doctor would

[49:54] have been played by udo keir yeah yeah and jennifer love hewitt would have been the girl

[49:58] who's looking for

[50:00] Yeah, like there's stuff in it that I enjoyed watching like I was more into it than a lot

[50:05] of the stuff we watched, but I still it's not quite enough for me to say that I liked it.

[50:09] What do you think, Stuart?

[50:12] Yeah, I'm going to say this is a bad bad.

[50:13] It's that's, you know, there's some bits in it that are cool and there's obviously some

[50:18] gags like I feel like some of the people that are involved in this clearly

[50:22] were excited to get to make a fun horror movie.

[50:25] But I think they're like just the central premise is such a mess.

[50:28] It just doesn't work.

[50:30] And it ends up not being I think like just the constant stuff being thrown at you makes

[50:34] it not scary at all.

[50:36] And I feel like Elliot mentioned Cabin in the Woods and it feels very much like a derivative

[50:42] take on that.

[50:43] But at least Cabin in the Woods had like a very specific idea that makes sense.

[50:49] I'm going to I'm going to feel I'm not disagree.

[50:52] It's just about feelings.

[50:53] I want to say this is a movie I kind of liked.

[50:54] I enjoyed watching it.

[50:55] And I think it was partly because it was just doing the most it was not scary, but it was

[51:02] doing the most basic thing to me of like, hey, here's a fun scene.

[51:06] Here's a fun scene.

[51:07] Here's a fun scene.

[51:08] And I'm like, you know what?

[51:09] This is not a great movie.

[51:10] And but it feels like the closest I've seen having seen a bunch of like attempted throwback

[51:16] movies where they try to shoot something in the style of an older movie.

[51:20] This felt like the most successful of that kind of throwback thing because it's just

[51:24] trying to accomplish what those movies are trying to accomplish rather than trying to

[51:27] ape the visual style or anything like that.

[51:29] So I was like, you know what?

[51:31] I'm having fun.

[51:32] People are exploding.

[51:33] People's heads are getting bashed in.

[51:34] It's too long.

[51:35] It's I wish it was like 10 minutes shorter.

[51:38] The characters, you know, don't matter.

[51:39] But everyone has an hour.

[51:41] Yeah, but like almost two hours.

[51:43] It was almost two.

[51:44] At one point I was like, all right, this movie is clipping along.

[51:46] And I just thought there was 50 more minutes left in it.

[51:48] I'm like, oh, boy, this is this.

[51:50] This should not be that much more.

[51:51] But but I kind of liked it.

[51:52] It was a especially compared to the stuff we've been watching recently for the Flophouse.

[51:57] Yeah, I was like, you know what?

[51:59] I like that there's a bunch of good gore effects in this.

[52:01] And you could very easily watch this on a on a, you know, lonely Saturday afternoon and

[52:08] be like, that was fine.

[52:09] What do you think?

[52:11] I feel like you guys liked this better than I did.

[52:14] I really didn't like it.

[52:16] I felt like at least if you're going to.

[52:19] Yeah, it wasn't scary at all, but it wasn't even scary in the fun way that bad scary movies

[52:24] can be.

[52:24] There were no like jump scares.

[52:26] I would have, you know, I want to I want my heart racing from something.

[52:29] There are jump scares, but they're not very they're not.

[52:31] They don't pull them off.

[52:32] They didn't make me jump.

[52:33] I was sitting the whole time.

[52:36] Unlike Chris Cross, who makes you jump.

[52:38] Is it good that you were paying for the whole seat because you didn't use just the edge?

[52:43] Yeah, there's no pranks.

[52:45] Yeah, no pranks.

[52:47] No, go.

[52:48] And I don't know.

[52:49] Yeah, I found it like this, like throw everything in and make it seem like a haunted house actually

[52:56] annoyed me like that.

[52:58] The witch thing really annoyed me, especially because there is which thing you walked into

[53:04] that one.

[53:05] But there's like graffiti on the house that she lives in.

[53:09] That's like, fuck the glore witch.

[53:12] And you're like, oh, there's going to be we're the the glore witch.

[53:16] This is going to be interesting.

[53:18] We're going to hear more than just this single scene.

[53:20] I will say the scariest thing and my favorite thing.

[53:22] You want to watch the glore witch project?

[53:24] Yeah, exactly.

[53:26] Would love that.

[53:27] I love witches.

[53:28] Probably my favorite is my favorite scariest thing.

[53:31] We should watch a witch movie with you sometime.

[53:33] Well, Dan, can you make a movie so we can Stewart?

[53:36] I walked into that one.

[53:38] There was a really good one this year in movie theaters.

[53:41] Yeah, which one was that?

[53:43] Well, we don't want to spoil it.

[53:45] My life has made it so I have not been able to see a movie in the theaters for, I don't

[53:49] know, half a year.

[53:50] So I've missed all these movies.

[53:51] I want to say, yeah, I feel like I interrupted you.

[53:54] How I think you're going to say something else that I.

[53:56] Oh, I derailed.

[53:57] Yeah.

[53:58] I mean, I just didn't I wasn't entertained.

[54:01] I found it too long and it made me wish that I were at a haunted house, not watching other

[54:07] people be at the answer to that.

[54:09] Are you not entertained with?

[54:10] Yes, I'm not entertained.

[54:11] Exactly.

[54:12] Because Russell Crowe is standing outside of Hallie's house yelling at her.

[54:15] Yeah, that's scary.

[54:19] He threw a phone at me.

[54:29] Moving is the worst.

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[1:02:27] Let's answer some letters from listeners.

[1:02:30] This first one.

[1:02:31] Why not?

[1:02:32] Yeah, we've never done it before.

[1:02:33] Let's do it now.

[1:02:34] I like to try new things.

[1:02:36] Check the archives on that one, Elliot.

[1:02:38] You might get some Pinocchios, but this one's from-

[1:02:41] I would love a Pinocchio to do all my chores.

[1:02:44] Oh, wow.

[1:02:44] Like a living puppet doll?

[1:02:45] Sure, yeah.

[1:02:47] Jeez.

[1:02:48] Take it on the road?

[1:02:49] Wait a minute.

[1:02:49] This could be my ticket to showbiz stardom.

[1:02:51] I take it on the road.

[1:02:52] I put on a show where it's-

[1:02:53] Oh, he's a real stromboli.

[1:02:54] Lady puppets from different countries

[1:02:55] are coming on to him.

[1:02:57] Yeah, we could do this.

[1:02:59] I always thought you were Geppetto,

[1:03:01] but the BuzzFeed quiz says you're Stromboli.

[1:03:03] Stromboli, yep.

[1:03:05] This is from Jackie Lastname.

[1:03:07] That little goldfish, what?

[1:03:10] This is from Jackie Lastname with Hell.

[1:03:12] I'm the whale?

[1:03:13] You're right.

[1:03:14] Monstro.

[1:03:16] What's your favorite phone call in cinema?

[1:03:18] Phone scenes tend to be short and sweet

[1:03:22] that only move the plot along,

[1:03:24] but pack a punch.

[1:03:25] We got one in Ghostbusters,

[1:03:28] and I'm going to bed in The Post.

[1:03:30] The phones are working in Jurassic Park.

[1:03:32] Which call do you love?

[1:03:34] Thanks, Jackie Lastname with Hell.

[1:03:36] This seems, upon rereading,

[1:03:38] to be specifically about short phone calls, but-

[1:03:41] Not the one I'm gonna say.

[1:03:42] Can I jump in here?

[1:03:43] Yeah, I don't think I can stick to that.

[1:03:46] We may have the same one, Elliot.

[1:03:47] I was thinking Dr. Strangelove.

[1:03:49] That's why I wanted to go first, Dan.

[1:03:50] That's why I said, can I jump in?

[1:03:51] Because I was gonna say it.

[1:03:52] You can jump in.

[1:03:53] You can talk about it.

[1:03:54] I figured we might have the same one,

[1:03:55] which is in Dr. Strangelove,

[1:03:56] when the president, Merkin Muffley,

[1:03:58] is on the phone with Dmitry, the premier of Russia,

[1:04:01] or the Soviet comstar, whatever.

[1:04:03] And it is clear that Dmitry is at maybe a bordello,

[1:04:07] maybe a party, or something like that.

[1:04:08] But just this one-sided conversation

[1:04:10] where he's trying to explain to somebody

[1:04:12] that a nuclear bomb is about to hit his country.

[1:04:17] And the stuff like,

[1:04:18] can you turn the music down, Dmitry?

[1:04:19] Can you turn it?

[1:04:20] That's better, Dmitry, thank you.

[1:04:21] And clearly, Dmitry's upset.

[1:04:22] He's like, I'm just as upset as you are.

[1:04:26] I don't like that.

[1:04:26] It's just a touch of funny performance to only hear.

[1:04:29] And Peter Sellers does such a great job with it

[1:04:30] that you feel like you're hearing

[1:04:32] the other end of the phone, even though you're not.

[1:04:34] Well, and he's really trying to soften

[1:04:36] an impossible-to-soften blow.

[1:04:37] He's like, now, one of our fighters,

[1:04:39] he went and did a silly thing, Dmitry,

[1:04:41] if you didn't, you know?

[1:04:43] The bomb, Dmitry.

[1:04:45] The hydrogen bomb.

[1:04:46] Yeah, it's a very funny scene.

[1:04:48] What about you guys?

[1:04:50] What kind of phone calls do you like in movies?

[1:04:51] I mean, this is a short one,

[1:04:52] but I just love in the movie,

[1:04:54] Night of the Creeps,

[1:04:55] when Tom Atkins answers the phone by saying,

[1:05:00] thrill me.

[1:05:01] I think that's such a creep.

[1:05:02] I'm talking about you, Hallie.

[1:05:06] And obviously, when somebody takes Liam Neeson's kid

[1:05:09] and he explains his special set of skills.

[1:05:13] Well, I was gonna say the phone calls

[1:05:15] in When Harry Met Sally.

[1:05:16] I feel like they don't do the split-screen,

[1:05:20] like each person is doing a separate thing,

[1:05:22] but they're just narrating what they're doing

[1:05:24] on the phone while they're falling in love.

[1:05:27] That was what I was gonna say.

[1:05:30] There's another good split-screen one

[1:05:32] in Down with Love,

[1:05:33] where it looks very sexual,

[1:05:35] as they're both on the phone on different sides,

[1:05:37] because of what they're,

[1:05:39] the blocking of the phone call.

[1:05:42] I bet you it's a parody of the one in,

[1:05:43] I think, Pillow Talk,

[1:05:44] with Brock Dixon and Dara Stane.

[1:05:46] I bet it's a callback to that.

[1:05:47] Kids don't want that anymore.

[1:05:49] No. No sex.

[1:05:50] They want sexless phone calls.

[1:05:52] They just text, and it's not about sex.

[1:05:54] Have you seen a phone these days?

[1:05:56] There's no place to insert your sexual organs.

[1:06:00] I mean, that's a similar thing.

[1:06:01] Do you guys have favorite examples of texting in a movie?

[1:06:05] I have one, but I don't know.

[1:06:06] Oh, what is it?

[1:06:07] Yeah, you just tell us yours.

[1:06:08] Mine is in Decision to Leave,

[1:06:12] the way that he,

[1:06:13] when he's texting with the femme fatale character,

[1:06:17] the detective,

[1:06:18] and he's so stressed about it,

[1:06:21] and the way he's watching the fucking three bubbles,

[1:06:24] and then the three bubbles are kind of superimposed

[1:06:26] over his face as he's waiting for her response.

[1:06:29] It's so great.

[1:06:31] Let's move on to this next letter,

[1:06:33] which is from Kelly, last name withheld.

[1:06:36] Kelly Kapowski, from Saved by the Bell.

[1:06:38] Oh, wow.

[1:06:39] Wow.

[1:06:40] Hey, peaches.

[1:06:41] Wow, that's a fictional character, guys.

[1:06:45] Yeah, wow.

[1:06:45] It's not, okay, that's what you were impressed by.

[1:06:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:06:48] Did somebody stick her in an Indian in the cupboard cupboard

[1:06:49] and she popped out?

[1:06:50] Yeah.

[1:06:53] Yeah, one of the lockers at Bayside

[1:06:57] is one of those cupboards, actually.

[1:06:59] Yeah, Screech invented it.

[1:07:02] Hey, peaches.

[1:07:03] I recently went back to grad school at NYU.

[1:07:05] Congratulations.

[1:07:06] And, well, thank you, on their behalf.

[1:07:10] And my first course was about strategic.

[1:07:11] You've been designated to thank for, okay, never mind.

[1:07:14] My first course was about strategic leadership.

[1:07:18] There was a lot of media to consume for the course,

[1:07:20] including an episode of the podcast,

[1:07:22] Work Life, focusing on The Daily Show.

[1:07:25] I listened closely and I got exactly what I was hoping for,

[1:07:28] a two-second clip of Dan pitching a joke

[1:07:30] and promptly getting shut down by Zhubin Purang.

[1:07:33] Dan did not show up at any other point in the podcast.

[1:07:37] I learned a lot from that podcast,

[1:07:39] but the most important lesson is, of course,

[1:07:42] that Dan McCoy is a leadership expert.

[1:07:44] My question is,

[1:07:45] what's the most unexpected university course

[1:07:47] in which each of you could plausibly claim expertise?

[1:07:50] And what's the course where you'd be most surprised

[1:07:53] if you were cited as an expert?

[1:07:54] Kelly, last name withheld.

[1:07:57] My problem is that I feel like doing this podcast

[1:08:02] has revealed most of my hidden talents.

[1:08:05] We've found ways to work them into,

[1:08:08] the top one, of course.

[1:08:11] You're really good at it, Dan.

[1:08:14] You can do it so fast.

[1:08:17] Stuff like that.

[1:08:17] Dan is, I think people don't realize that,

[1:08:21] Dan is a globally ranked masturbator.

[1:08:28] So, yeah, drawing.

[1:08:28] That was a real flashback to-

[1:08:30] Dan masturbates like stenographers type.

[1:08:34] Oh, wow.

[1:08:35] He's telling the full sentences.

[1:08:37] Kind of staring off into space.

[1:08:39] He has to be read back every now and then.

[1:08:43] It's a real boast.

[1:08:44] First, I get to remember how I was at The Daily Show.

[1:08:48] Yeah, they're really taking me back there.

[1:08:51] So, Dan, what is that?

[1:08:51] So, drawing?

[1:08:53] Yeah, I guess.

[1:08:54] Yeah, some sort of art thing.

[1:08:59] Yeah, I mean, obviously things like miniature painting,

[1:09:02] but I also feel like I could probably teach a class

[1:09:07] on staff development or management training.

[1:09:13] That's good.

[1:09:14] And or-

[1:09:15] Strategic leadership?

[1:09:16] Strategic leadership, yeah, why not?

[1:09:19] I think I could, at this point,

[1:09:21] maybe I might show up as a source in an urban studies class

[1:09:25] after all the work I did with The Power Broker,

[1:09:27] which would be ironic because I have no formal training

[1:09:30] or really credentials or academic background.

[1:09:33] Yeah, that's pretty ironic.

[1:09:34] Somebody call Atlantis.

[1:09:36] Yeah, got him.

[1:09:38] Got him.

[1:09:39] Oh, we're roasting Elliot now.

[1:09:40] Now I'm getting roasted.

[1:09:41] I like this better.

[1:09:42] Dan's in on this one.

[1:09:42] When you said Atlantis,

[1:09:44] at first I thought you said Atlantis,

[1:09:45] and I was like Atlantis Marmoset.

[1:09:48] It's ironic she lives underwater.

[1:09:50] Atlantis Marmoset?

[1:09:51] Yeah, that's me.

[1:09:52] She's in Zootopia.

[1:09:55] She could be in Zootopia, too.

[1:09:58] So I, and I think.

[1:10:00] I'd be most surprised to end up as a source

[1:10:03] and or end up involved in a course for any science,

[1:10:06] anything, any physical or natural science

[1:10:10] or anything like that.

[1:10:11] So maybe paleontology.

[1:10:12] Look to me for any sort of sports instruction

[1:10:15] or knowledge, that would be very surprising.

[1:10:17] Yeah, actually that would be it.

[1:10:19] If my brother was teaching a class about sports

[1:10:21] in grad school and he called me in for a class

[1:10:23] to be an expert, it would turn out the whole thing

[1:10:25] would just be me him making fun of me,

[1:10:27] roasting me for not knowing anything about it.

[1:10:29] Like you do to Dan.

[1:10:30] Yeah.

[1:10:31] And what would you-

[1:10:32] It's a cycle of violence, Hallie.

[1:10:34] Yeah.

[1:10:35] What about you, Hallie?

[1:10:36] Hurt people, hurt people.

[1:10:37] Oh God, I don't know.

[1:10:39] I'd probably be at like a history course

[1:10:41] where they talk about me and they're like,

[1:10:44] oh, she died penniless.

[1:10:47] In obscurity.

[1:10:48] Here's a case study.

[1:10:51] And yet, look.

[1:10:52] Why are we studying her?

[1:10:54] No, but then I become really famous a century after.

[1:10:58] She is the trendsetter for the 90s fashion revival.

[1:11:01] Hallie Haglund.

[1:11:02] Yeah.

[1:11:03] Hallie Haglund.

[1:11:05] Now, what were you wearing in the 90s, Hallie?

[1:11:07] Was the-

[1:11:08] Me? Dan?

[1:11:09] Oh my God.

[1:11:10] I'm not, come on.

[1:11:15] Baby doll dresses.

[1:11:17] Okay. Plaid.

[1:11:19] Plaid pants that were flared.

[1:11:21] Skater dresses.

[1:11:24] Striped shirts.

[1:11:27] Terry cloth.

[1:11:30] Plaid.

[1:11:31] Oh, I already said that.

[1:11:33] You know, your basics.

[1:11:34] And like Doc Martens or-

[1:11:36] Oh yeah.

[1:11:37] You're bringing me back.

[1:11:38] You're painting a picture.

[1:11:38] I had these knee-high baby blue Doc Martens.

[1:11:43] Ooh.

[1:11:43] Yeah, I had a lot of creep,

[1:11:45] I had a pair of Creepers.

[1:11:46] Do you guys remember Creepers?

[1:11:47] I don't know what Creepers are.

[1:11:48] They have heels.

[1:11:49] They're just like flat.

[1:11:50] I've never been called a Creeper.

[1:11:51] Yeah.

[1:11:52] Well, they were silver with black stars on them.

[1:11:54] I'm sure some of your audience remember Creepers.

[1:11:58] I had these red platform pads.

[1:11:59] I had a great shoe collection.

[1:12:00] Were they used for sneaking up on people?

[1:12:03] Yeah.

[1:12:04] Well, I think that's why they're,

[1:12:05] I think they're supposed to be very quiet.

[1:12:07] I would always wear like big baggy,

[1:12:09] I'd always wear like big baggy straight leg jeans

[1:12:12] where the back of the jean of like, you know,

[1:12:16] the cuff is all like frayed as fuck

[1:12:18] because of dragging them along the ground.

[1:12:20] Yeah, like a Sam Keith drawing,

[1:12:22] just kind of horrible frayed.

[1:12:23] That's me, yeah.

[1:12:24] Horrible frayed.

[1:12:24] That stuff, yeah.

[1:12:25] Yeah, I wore whatever my parents bought me,

[1:12:29] which was why I was not stylish.

[1:12:31] Sailor suits?

[1:12:32] Yeah.

[1:12:33] Yeah, like a little beanie with a propeller on it.

[1:12:35] No jambalaya.

[1:12:35] Like, oh.

[1:12:36] Oh.

[1:12:38] Mickey Mouse shorts with big yellow buttons in the front.

[1:12:40] Yeah.

[1:12:43] Why are there two big buttons on them?

[1:12:44] Yeah.

[1:12:45] I don't even see pockets.

[1:12:46] Like a bib all the time,

[1:12:48] so you don't make a mess.

[1:12:49] That's right.

[1:12:50] Yeah.

[1:12:51] Like, dad, I've grown out of short pants.

[1:12:53] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[1:12:55] We'll make your socks taller.

[1:12:59] That's kind of like pants.

[1:13:00] Okay, let's do some recommendations of movies

[1:13:04] that may be a better use of your time than Until Dawn.

[1:13:08] There's a movie that's coming out,

[1:13:10] I believe the day that we're recording this,

[1:13:12] I saw just slightly early because of the guild screening.

[1:13:18] You're still cool.

[1:13:19] You got to see it slightly early.

[1:13:20] No, I was just like,

[1:13:21] it's gonna be so long that it's been out

[1:13:24] by the time of this,

[1:13:24] but I saw If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You

[1:13:28] with the writer, director, and supporting actor,

[1:13:32] Mary Bronstein was there and did a good Q&A afterward.

[1:13:37] So you're recommending we see it with the Q&A?

[1:13:39] No, I'm just saying that it was nice to,

[1:13:43] like the guild puts on these things

[1:13:44] and they're supposed to at least be,

[1:13:46] I think, in addition to an awards push,

[1:13:50] sort of educational, like writers talking to writers.

[1:13:53] So you guys go to that because you show up at the theater

[1:13:56] and you're like, don't you know who I am?

[1:13:57] I'm Dan McCoy of the Flophouse Podcast.

[1:14:00] No, but I will make or break this movie.

[1:14:03] It was funny, I went to the,

[1:14:04] it was at the Lincoln Square Theater

[1:14:06] and there were like two other tables

[1:14:08] of special screenings going on there.

[1:14:10] I'm like, which one do I go to?

[1:14:12] There was also a Roofman screening at the same place.

[1:14:16] And it was the premiere of the new season

[1:14:21] of Elsbeth, which was by far the most glamorous.

[1:14:22] There were all these like people there,

[1:14:25] dressed up actors to go to Elsbeth.

[1:14:30] But anyway, if I had legs I'd kick you is,

[1:14:32] I think that probably because I'm an anxious person myself

[1:14:36] is why I love movies that feel like anxiety, stress stream.

[1:14:41] Like for me, it's a weird therapy almost

[1:14:45] to go through it from a distance.

[1:14:47] And this sort of goes on the list

[1:14:49] with something like Uncut Gems or After Hours

[1:14:53] or Bo Was Afraid, like that kind of like-

[1:14:56] Air Bud.

[1:14:57] Just, yeah, relentless stress.

[1:14:59] Relentless.

[1:15:02] And this one's more about the stress

[1:15:04] of her being a mother who's, her partner's out of town.

[1:15:09] She has a-

[1:15:10] Can you really identify with being a mother?

[1:15:11] She has a child that-

[1:15:14] He's a bad mother.

[1:15:15] Has some sort of mysterious ailment.

[1:15:18] And it's just, you know, things,

[1:15:20] stress on stress on stress, but also funny and surreal.

[1:15:23] And, you know, Rose Byrne is amazing in it.

[1:15:28] But also-

[1:15:29] She's been on a real tear lately.

[1:15:30] She's great.

[1:15:31] But A$AP Rocky and Conan O'Brien

[1:15:33] are in supporting roles and are both really good.

[1:15:36] It's a fun movie, if you like stress.

[1:15:39] Yeah, Stuart.

[1:15:40] Guys, can you check the rule book?

[1:15:41] Can I make two recommendations today?

[1:15:44] I won't allow it.

[1:15:46] Okay, well, Hallie's making her.

[1:15:49] Okay, so my recommendations are both movies

[1:15:54] from Friends of the Flophouse.

[1:15:55] So I got to recommend them both.

[1:15:58] The first is, of course,

[1:15:59] the new Steve Kostanski movie, Deathstalker,

[1:16:02] which is a reboot, re-imagining sequel

[1:16:05] of the Roger Corman,

[1:16:08] cheapo sword and sorcery movie, Deathstalker.

[1:16:11] Back in the days when your video store aisle

[1:16:13] was filled with Boris Villagio painted

[1:16:17] fantasy movies that look nothing

[1:16:20] like the paintings on the cover.

[1:16:23] And this is, Steve has managed to make this

[1:16:27] like super fun movie filled with lots of gags

[1:16:31] and like literally like wall-to-wall

[1:16:33] with cool creature effects.

[1:16:35] It's like, it's such a dream to get to see it.

[1:16:39] And it feels both nostalgic,

[1:16:41] but it doesn't feel like it's,

[1:16:42] despite the fact that it's clearly related

[1:16:44] to these like, these old sword and sorcery movies.

[1:16:47] It's not like, it doesn't feel like it's aping anything.

[1:16:51] And it's one of those things

[1:16:52] where you're just like watching it like,

[1:16:53] yeah, and you can't believe that people,

[1:16:55] that he gets to make it

[1:16:57] and that like movies like that are being made.

[1:17:00] Yeah, it's really fun.

[1:17:02] And if you get a chance to see it,

[1:17:04] it just came out this weekend

[1:17:06] and I'm sure it's doing a limited run.

[1:17:08] It'll be streaming at some point.

[1:17:10] And then if, another thing to recommend

[1:17:13] is Friend of the Flophouse.

[1:17:14] Ashley Atkinson, who was a guest on the show recently

[1:17:17] is in The Lost Bus, which is on Apple TV Plus right now.

[1:17:22] It's the new Paul Greengrass movie

[1:17:24] about a horrible wildfire.

[1:17:28] And Matthew McConaughey plays the lead

[1:17:30] where he plays a bus driver

[1:17:31] who is tasked with saving a busload of kids

[1:17:34] and getting them out of the fire zone.

[1:17:37] America Ferrara plays the teacher that is helping him

[1:17:41] and Ashley plays the bus dispatcher

[1:17:44] and Yul Vasquez plays the fire chief.

[1:17:47] And I'm not normally a big fan of disaster movies,

[1:17:52] but Greengrass seems to really understand

[1:17:54] that the only way to make this story work

[1:17:57] is to really focus on the individual drama

[1:18:00] and individual to see it through their eyes.

[1:18:05] And we get four really strong performances from the leads

[1:18:08] and it really makes the whole thing,

[1:18:09] the stakes really work and the whole thing's great.

[1:18:12] It was very stressful to watch my friend

[1:18:14] play a character who was upset.

[1:18:17] But yeah, The Lost Bus, it's good.

[1:18:20] Check it out.

[1:18:22] I'm gonna recommend a different movie

[1:18:23] that's on Apple Plus TV right now.

[1:18:26] And that's, yeah, I know Dan is shocked.

[1:18:28] He has a shock look on his face.

[1:18:29] That is Spike Lee's new movie,

[1:18:31] Highest to Lowest with Denzel Washington,

[1:18:33] which is a remake of Kurosawa's High and Low.

[1:18:37] And it's, I thought it was a really solid,

[1:18:40] really fun kind of like suspense movie.

[1:18:43] It's a little slow in the beginning.

[1:18:45] It does not have the crackling oppressiveness

[1:18:48] of Kurosawa's original High and Low,

[1:18:50] which is a truly just amazing movie.

[1:18:53] But I really enjoyed it a lot.

[1:18:54] And Spike Lee, when he's putting together a sequence,

[1:18:57] he can be one of the greatest filmmakers that ever lived.

[1:19:00] And he has a couple of sequences in this one,

[1:19:03] especially as the movie gets going,

[1:19:05] I felt like it picked up kind of like emotional energy,

[1:19:08] tension, dramatic energy.

[1:19:11] And so I would say sit with it in the beginning

[1:19:14] where it kind of takes a little time to get going.

[1:19:15] But once it gets going, I was really enjoying it a lot.

[1:19:18] And Denzel Washington, as always,

[1:19:19] is possibly the greatest actor there's ever been.

[1:19:22] And so seeing the way he so kind of effortlessly

[1:19:25] owns the screen that he's on

[1:19:27] and how effortlessly he can kind of go back and forth

[1:19:32] with the other actors is really fantastic.

[1:19:34] The other performers are great too,

[1:19:35] but it's hard to take your eyes off him when he's on screen.

[1:19:39] Yeah, there's not a lot of actors

[1:19:40] that I would put up against Toshiro Mifune,

[1:19:44] but Denzel Washington's one of them.

[1:19:46] Yes.

[1:19:47] That's what I was gonna say.

[1:19:53] My turn?

[1:19:54] Yes. Yeah.

[1:19:55] You were gonna recommend Until Dawn, right?

[1:19:56] No, I was gonna recommend Weapons.

[1:19:58] Oh.

[1:20:00] The whole time I was watching until dawn, I was like, man, I wish this was weapons.

[1:20:04] I wish I was watching that again, because that was really good.

[1:20:07] I went and saw it alone on my birthday, a little matinee.

[1:20:13] And yeah, it was, it was...

[1:20:15] Don't talk about what happens in this, I haven't gotten to see it yet.

[1:20:17] I won't tell you what happens.

[1:20:19] Wait, just tell me this, is there a weapon in it?

[1:20:22] Well...

[1:20:23] Don't tell me.

[1:20:25] Okay.

[1:20:26] Are there plural weapons in it? Don't tell me.

[1:20:28] All right.

[1:20:29] Well, I thought it was great.

[1:20:32] Josh Brolin's great.

[1:20:33] Julian Gardner's great.

[1:20:35] Just all around.

[1:20:39] It seemed like it was an allegory that they didn't quite commit to.

[1:20:46] And I thought...

[1:20:46] This was my one problem with it, that I was like, is this, does this mean a thing?

[1:20:51] And then at the end, I'm like, I'm not sure it did.

[1:20:53] Well, I've gotten, I've come to terms with it.

[1:20:57] Yeah, I felt the same way.

[1:20:58] Because I was like, oh, I think I would have liked it better if they had gone all the way

[1:21:02] with that.

[1:21:03] But then they leaned so hard into the twist that sort of upended the allegory.

[1:21:10] And it seems like what's next for this project is leaning even further into

[1:21:20] the rejection of the allegory that kind of disappointed me.

[1:21:23] Because I think I would have liked it more.

[1:21:24] But also, it was really, it was, it was, I left and I was very unnerved and I had seen

[1:21:32] it alone.

[1:21:33] So I had no one to talk to about it.

[1:21:35] It was, it was...

[1:21:36] You could have asked me to come with you.

[1:21:38] Well, you...

[1:21:39] I wouldn't have been able to.

[1:21:40] Yeah, exactly.

[1:21:41] So, you know.

[1:21:43] Facing up rejection.

[1:21:44] So you just picked over to Reddit and started posting.

[1:21:47] But it's very scary.

[1:21:48] Went to see Weapons by Myself.

[1:21:49] Am I the asshole?

[1:21:52] Yeah.

[1:21:52] Recommend.

[1:21:54] I gotta see it.

[1:21:54] Is that streaming yet or no?

[1:21:57] You might be able to buy it or whatever.

[1:22:00] Amy Madigan is incredible.

[1:22:03] I, I mean...

[1:22:04] Did she get mad again?

[1:22:06] Oh boy, does she?

[1:22:07] No spoilies.

[1:22:08] Elliot, I also think it's, it hits, it hits differently if you have children.

[1:22:16] That was my, that was my wonder.

[1:22:18] I know children are involved in it.

[1:22:19] So I wondered if that was the case.

[1:22:20] Yeah, it's, it's, it's...

[1:22:22] I mean, also, it seems like they're not...

[1:22:24] Whoever wrote it maybe doesn't have children.

[1:22:26] Because some of the, like, age assumptions about, like,

[1:22:31] how old the kids should be and what they should be doing were, like, wrong.

[1:22:35] But there were real kids in it.

[1:22:36] All I know is that children shouldn't play with dead things.

[1:22:41] That's good advice.

[1:22:42] Yeah, it reminds me, there's that scene in Boyhood.

[1:22:45] And maybe this was based off of his real life.

[1:22:47] I don't know where they're hanging out overnight in an unfinished house.

[1:22:50] And they're throwing circular saw blades into a wall.

[1:22:53] And I was like, the main character is, like, 10 years old and he's doing this.

[1:22:57] This seems bonkers.

[1:22:58] But maybe that's how they do it in Texas, I don't know.

[1:23:00] I mean, that was back in the day.

[1:23:01] I was doing some crazy stuff when I was unsupervised.

[1:23:05] Back in the day?

[1:23:05] It's set in, like, the 1990s, that part.

[1:23:07] Yeah, that's when we were...

[1:23:09] Yeah.

[1:23:10] Unsupervised kids?

[1:23:11] Yeah.

[1:23:12] You didn't have dangerous stuff you did when you were...

[1:23:14] You can go out in the middle of the night and spend the night, you know, at an abandoned house.

[1:23:18] Well, they don't know what you're doing.

[1:23:20] If you're, like, staying over with someone, they don't know what you're up to.

[1:23:22] That's true, I guess.

[1:23:22] That's a good point.

[1:23:23] My parents were idiots to me.

[1:23:27] I have a distinct memory of us, like, starting fires beneath the porch of my friend's house.

[1:23:33] Like, literally burned down my neighbor's two huge trees and lit her roof on fire.

[1:23:39] Like, yeah.

[1:23:40] That I would buy.

[1:23:40] Thankfully, we did not burn down the house, but we could have.

[1:23:44] And we shouldn't have been doing that.

[1:23:45] And that's why maybe it wasn't a good idea to be so unsupervised.

[1:23:49] But now imagining a world where, Dan, you burned down someone's house as a kid and you

[1:23:52] blame it on the Talking Heads song, Burning Down the House.

[1:23:55] And now David Byrne has to testify at trial that there's no supplemental messages in his music

[1:24:00] to get kids to burn down houses.

[1:24:02] Yeah, multiverse, you know.

[1:24:04] Anyway, thank you, Hallie, for being here for Shocktober.

[1:24:08] And you know what?

[1:24:09] We haven't announced on the show our plans for November.

[1:24:14] Yeah, we got a new theme month.

[1:24:16] Well, we're trying a new theme month this year.

[1:24:19] I don't know if it'll stick or not, but we're definitely doing it.

[1:24:21] It depends on whether you in the audience like it.

[1:24:22] Cool, keeping your foot on the beach over here.

[1:24:25] So I'm just going to grip it and rip it, guys.

[1:24:29] We have a new theme month starting now and going on forever.

[1:24:33] It is called Movember because you're getting Mo Flophouse episodes.

[1:24:37] That's right.

[1:24:38] Instead of doing two regular episodes and two minis, we're giving you four regular episodes.

[1:24:42] And what's that?

[1:24:43] They're not regular.

[1:24:44] No, in fact, we have a cavalcade of amazing guests coming to join us.

[1:24:49] I can't wait to go over all this and hang out with all these cool dudes with attitude.

[1:24:54] It's going to be a lot of fun.

[1:24:56] Ninja Turtles?

[1:24:58] In a way.

[1:24:58] It's four episodes, so maybe.

[1:25:00] I will say this.

[1:25:01] Our next episode will be a mini, and it will be coming out November 1st.

[1:25:04] So Movember starts after that, but that's okay.

[1:25:09] So it's sort of like shades into...

[1:25:11] So, yeah, we transition from Shocktober into Movember.

[1:25:13] Yeah.

[1:25:14] Okay.

[1:25:15] Well, anyway, you know, classic Flophouse blunder, but we will have four.

[1:25:21] Yeah, write the congressman.

[1:25:22] We call them funders because they're fun blunders.

[1:25:24] Yeah.

[1:25:25] Yeah, but write them about all the terrible things that are happening in the world.

[1:25:30] Yeah.

[1:25:31] Time to stop.

[1:25:32] Please stop.

[1:25:34] So anyway, Hallie, thank you for being here.

[1:25:37] Anything you want to say here at the end?

[1:25:39] Or you just want to nod with that big grin on your face?

[1:25:41] Thanks for having me.

[1:25:43] Right back at you.

[1:25:44] You're welcome.

[1:25:46] Hallie, do you want to plug your what?

[1:25:47] Substack?

[1:25:48] Yeah, let's do it.

[1:25:49] Yeah.

[1:25:49] Check it out.

[1:25:52] It's called Your Local Library.

[1:25:54] That Hurts My Feelings on Substack.

[1:25:59] It's a great little read.

[1:26:03] I think it is.

[1:26:05] The slow talkers of America sketch.

[1:26:06] I'll say genuinely that That Hurts My Feelings is when I see it pop up in my email, I immediately

[1:26:11] read it.

[1:26:12] It is the first thing, the only thing that I go to immediately when I see it.

[1:26:15] And I always find the Hallie's entries to be both hilarious and also poignant.

[1:26:21] And they make me think about the world in different ways.

[1:26:23] Yeah, they're very personal.

[1:26:25] Very personal.

[1:26:27] I tell it all, you guys.

[1:26:29] So if you want to get to know me in that way.

[1:26:38] Okay, well, thank you for that plug.

[1:26:42] And thanks to Alex, our producer.

[1:26:45] He goes by the name HowlDotty on the internet.

[1:26:48] Check out his music, his Twitch streams, his own podcast.

[1:26:53] Thank you to Maximum Fun.

[1:26:55] If you go to MaximumFun.org, there are a lot of other great shows you can listen to.

[1:27:01] Informative ones, funny ones, ones that are both.

[1:27:04] Check them out.

[1:27:05] But for the Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:27:07] I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:27:10] I've been Elliot Kalin.

[1:27:11] Just remembering now to tell you that my book, Joke Farming, is coming out very soon from

[1:27:15] the University of Chicago Press.

[1:27:16] I think you can preorder it now.

[1:27:17] And we've preordered it.

[1:27:19] Oh, thank you, Dan.

[1:27:20] I have, am, and will always be Hallie Hackland.

[1:27:37] So, Hallie, you were telling us you went to a Chapel Rhone concert with a 10-year-old.

[1:27:40] Yeah, I did.

[1:27:43] I was hoping to, you know, I don't have a girl.

[1:27:46] So I glom on to my friends who have girl children, hoping that I can influence, mold,

[1:27:53] shape them, whatnot.

[1:27:56] So is my friend's daughter.

[1:27:58] But also my friend and another adult.

[1:28:01] Three adults, one child.

[1:28:03] Wait, three women and a baby.

[1:28:05] Exactly.

[1:28:05] Or three women and a little lady.

[1:28:07] We're really turning things around.

[1:28:11] It's a new era, ladies.

[1:28:13] This is our world now.

[1:28:16] We take care of the babies now.

[1:28:19] Sounds like you guys were H-O-T-T-O-G-O.

[1:28:23] We were.

[1:28:24] We were.

[1:28:24] But then when we were getting...

[1:28:26] Look at Elliot.

[1:28:27] He doesn't understand.

[1:28:28] Halfway through that, I was like, I don't know what you're spelling out.

[1:28:31] Don't get it.

[1:28:31] I don't understand.

[1:28:32] Yeah.

[1:28:32] But then when we were trying to drive out, it took a very long time.

[1:28:36] And someone had their window rolled down, and they were playing a parody of that song

[1:28:41] that was like, H-O-T-T-O-G-S, hot dogs are the very best.

[1:28:51] It was good.

[1:28:52] It was maybe better than the original.

[1:28:57] Maximum fun.

[1:28:58] A worker-owned network.

[1:28:59] Of artists-owned shows.

[1:29:01] Supported.

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Ep.#463 - Until Dawn, with Hallie Haglund

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