Ep. #407 - Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

[0:00] On this episode we discuss Friday the 13th part 8

[0:04] Jason takes Manhattan

[0:07] Takes it all the way to Vancouver, Canada

[0:31] Hey

[0:36] Everyone welcome to the flop house. I'm Dan McCoy. Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Elliot Kalin

[0:42] I can't wait to tell you later in the show about our upcoming flop TV episodes and right now

[0:47] I want to thank everybody who showed up to our video show because this episode is airing after those shows

[0:52] We're recording it before those shows. I'm sure they went amazing and everybody loved it

[0:56] we probably got carried out on people's shoulders because they were so excited and

[1:00] There's a crazy part where Dan was doing a dance and then his pants ripped and his dog flopped out like Lenny Kravitz

[1:10] Yep

[1:12] You had you have to had to be there. Yeah, never happen again. I've got those double-stitch pants

[1:20] Dan he's just so nice. I gave him the double-stitch pants anyway

[1:26] On this podcast we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it. We're in the midst of Shocktober a Shocktober

[1:33] 80s flashback month

[1:36] yep, and I

[1:38] I didn't think it would be that hard to sell

[1:41] for Elliot and

[1:44] Stuart to do Jason takes Manhattan as I know that Stuart of course is a big Friday head and

[1:50] Friday the 13th said not

[1:56] Freaky Friday TGI all Fridays

[2:00] or

[2:02] Or and I knew that Elliot, of course famously. I'm not familiar with it

[2:07] Was inspired by his disappointment over this film

[2:11] To write maniac of New York in part in part you had other ideas

[2:14] Of course you to create and write the award not nominated for comic book series maniac of New York

[2:21] Available in fine bookstores now, it's too bad though. It is like watching this again having you know

[2:26] I guess this is the first time that I've watched this movie since reading maniac of New York that I'm like

[2:30] Oh, yeah maniac of New York is so much better than this. Oh, thank you very much

[2:34] Yeah, I had I had a civil experience while I was watching it because I hadn't watched it again in a long time and I

[2:38] Was like, yeah, I did do a better job

[2:41] But but apparently the writer of the film did want to do more of the same kind of stuff that I do in maniac in

[2:46] New York in terms of using

[2:48] New York's iconic locations, but they did not have the budget

[2:51] Whereas the great thing about comics all it costs is pen and paper and ink and Andre Moody my my wonderful artists wrists

[2:58] That's all it that's all it takes

[2:59] well

[3:00] Also, it was because they had two separate concepts for this which was Jason on a boat and Jason in Manhattan

[3:06] And they decided to smash them together in part because as you say it saves money

[3:10] But I think if they had just committed to the idea of Jason being a big city

[3:15] Like just a lot of I'm looking up at the at the building. Wow

[3:19] His suitcase gets stolen immediately that kind of thought while watching it, you know

[3:24] I'm not gonna tip my hand too far, but I was like, I know this is one of the least liked in the series

[3:30] You know as a Friday the 13th movie though

[3:33] I'm not hating it and I think that part of me not hating it is I know by this point

[3:38] It's not gonna fulfill its title

[3:40] Yes, and this movie may have been more successful if it was just called Jason on a boat

[3:44] Which is not a terrible idea for a Friday

[3:47] Like if it's called like Friday the 13th part 8 Dead Tide or something like yeah, and then by and then surprise twist

[3:54] He ends up in New York at the end for a little bit

[3:58] Instantly is a better movie. Yeah, just because it doesn't live up to the promise that it's not making

[4:02] You know, it's if it's not making that promise then I think people would be a lot more sympathetic towards it

[4:07] But they really push the hell out. I remember when this movie was coming out just the promotions for it

[4:13] they really pushed the hell out of the idea that Jason is in New York now and

[4:16] It's called Jason takes Manhattan. He's all he's hanging over the skyline ready to chop down with his with his big

[4:23] It's a great poster the yeah, you think it could have been Jason Friday 13th part 8 like death on the Hudson or

[4:31] death on the Bloodson River

[4:37] Still sounds more like a name

[4:40] Like

[4:42] What if on the poster the blood part was written in blood

[4:47] Okay, cool. Cool, but not the Sun part

[4:51] No, the Sun wouldn't be spelled so n but the one like s you n and it would be a sun symbol

[5:00] Different spelling but just like the Hudson

[5:02] Yeah, now you bring it up now

[5:03] I want to see a movie where it's it's about the miracle on the Hudson

[5:07] Except it's because Jason was on the plane and Sully has to has to that's why he has to land the plane

[5:12] It's only Sullenberger and Jason are fighting each other on the wing of the of the plane that has landed in the Hudson River

[5:16] And if he can if he can if Sully can save all those souls while there's a Jason on board

[5:21] Mmm, you got a name a fucking street after that guy

[5:27] Your blood fought Bloodson

[5:30] Solution works beautifully if you're seeing it in print now

[5:33] It does does blood drip off the sound of the words Bloodson if someone is saying I would

[5:43] Some sort of synesthesia where you get the idea of dripping blood from the sound of the way

[5:47] Yeah, I would say on the Bloodson

[5:48] Yeah, I would say I think you reach some some market penetration problems the fact that Manhattan is a globally known thing

[5:55] Whereas I think the Hudson River is not necessarily quite on the top of people's minds in the same way that they will get the

[6:01] Play on words with bloods. Yeah

[6:04] Well, I mean, I guess I got a real tell you know

[6:08] It's been called Friday the 13th part 8 timescare. It's like, okay, I get it people

[6:14] But if it was like Friday 13th part 8 dead itch village, I think people would be like, huh? Let me take a minute

[6:20] Oh, oh right Greenwich Village. That's right. Okay. Yeah, I get it

[6:24] It's I think it's it's not you want it you want to get the famous thing that people all over the world can understand because

[6:29] Jason, he's a global brand. He's partnered with Adidas. He's he's he's always on the on the runways in Rome and Milan

[6:35] He's a global brand. Yeah

[6:43] He says at home in a sake bar in Japan as he is out on the veldt in Africa as he is

[6:49] As he is climbing to Machu Picchu of leading a gang of tourists as he is sitting in just a regular old diner in

[6:57] New York in 1989 Jason he's he's he's a real and he's everywhere you want to be

[7:03] Unfortunately

[7:06] Teleporting yeah, the so we'll just say that my title is maybe second best and we'll

[7:13] Yeah

[7:15] Yeah, so

[7:17] Let's uh, let's jump into this little flick right? So there's the eighth of these

[7:20] So I hope you guys have watched all the previous seven

[7:26] Yep, the Jason series is a weird series because the icon

[7:33] The iconic character design does not exist until what halfway through the third movie. And so I've always been surprised 3d one

[7:40] yeah, that's really because that's when he gets the hockey mask because in the second one Jason just has a bag over his head and

[7:45] The first one there's no Jason till that that that scare part at the end. It's it's it's it's his mom

[7:51] so the idea that it's almost like

[7:53] the idea that they would keep making these and

[7:56] eventually hit on an iconic horror a character and look is very funny to me and it's a little bit like if

[8:02] Star Wars was about a bunch of characters. No one cared that much about Empire Strikes Back

[8:06] Luke is in it, but he's got a bag on his head and then

[8:10] Halfway through he's like, let me put on this karate gi and pick up this laser sword and people are like, yeah

[8:16] Well, yeah, it's like yeah if somebody's like I love Boba Fett, where should I start watching these movies?

[8:22] It's like well, you got to start with a new hope and you're like, there's no Boba Fett

[8:25] Start with start with episode one Phantom Menace. Okay, start with the Ewok movie

[8:31] Which one a caravan of hope or whatever it is the battle courage, dude

[8:37] Okay, so Friday 13th part 8 opens with opening credits over shots of a grimy New York City and

[8:45] There's a radio host who's doing a little like poetic

[8:49] Tribute to New York City. It's like an East Coast Bukowski. Yeah. Mm-hmm

[8:54] Don't get attached to these New York shots of New York City because we're not gonna be here for a long

[8:59] Though I guess a lot of these shots are then echoed by the events near the end of the movie

[9:04] So you are seeing the same fictional?

[9:07] Grimy alleyways full of steam that you will see later on but it just had open trash cans full of wet

[9:16] Second to talk to filmmakers out there though stop putting

[9:21] Alleyways in film set in New York, there's very we have like one alleyway and the whole city

[9:27] I know that everyone's vision of the city is a bunch of fucking alleyways going wherever the way the city is built

[9:34] There are no alleys stop doing it. I remember really I look at one of these alleys and I'm like, well

[9:41] What's the rent on that alley? I

[9:43] Remember reading a I mean, they're all yeah

[9:45] They're all muses at this point the the I remember reading a like a message board with their time

[9:49] but it might have been this movie or some other New York movie and

[9:52] They were and someone's writing about how there's no alleys and this guy

[9:56] He chimed in he goes. What is he telling me that the buildings in New York are just like

[10:00] right up against each other, and the guy's like,

[10:01] yeah, exactly, because they all are.

[10:04] They're just touching each other all the time.

[10:06] Constantly crammed on top of each other.

[10:08] You can't eat one, because it's touching the other building.

[10:13] Yep.

[10:14] So the camera eventually submerges

[10:18] outside of Liberty Island,

[10:20] only to resurface in a little place called Crystal Lake,

[10:24] where a small yacht is pulling up

[10:27] outside of a well-lit campground.

[10:30] And we have two-

[10:31] Through some sort of estuary or canal, one assumes.

[10:35] Two teenagers, who we learn are graduating seniors,

[10:39] are hooking up, and they're listening

[10:40] to that very same radio host who dedicates some song

[10:43] to the graduating senior class of their town,

[10:47] who are prepping on a,

[10:48] and as we are informed by the radio host,

[10:51] are prepping for a school trip to New York.

[10:54] Big news.

[10:56] Yeah, it's big news.

[10:58] These are Jimmy and Susie.

[11:00] Jimmy gives us a quick summary of the Jason Voorhees legend.

[11:03] Susie is, I guess, being informed of this the first time.

[11:06] Even just by living in the community, we have to assume,

[11:08] maybe she's a transfer student.

[11:10] Maybe she just moved to Crystal Lake.

[11:11] Yes.

[11:13] They toss the anchor overboard,

[11:14] which tugs on a submerged power line,

[11:16] which runs under a section of collapsed dock

[11:19] where Jason's corpse is currently buried.

[11:22] See Friday the 13th, part seven, Ed.

[11:26] It causes a shock.

[11:27] That's the name of it?

[11:28] Friday the 13th, part seven, Ed?

[11:30] Is Ed a major character?

[11:31] That's the editor.

[11:32] The editor is telling us.

[11:33] Oh, that's right.

[11:33] Oh, yeah, that's Rascally Roy is notifying us.

[11:36] Yeah.

[11:37] And it causes a shockwave,

[11:39] which wakes up zombie Jason, who boards the yacht.

[11:43] Jimmy goes out to check on something,

[11:45] only to come back dressed up as Jason for a brief joke.

[11:49] Now, maybe this is, is this,

[11:50] now I, when I was a teenager,

[11:52] I did not have ready access to women

[11:55] who wanted to have sex with me.

[11:56] I know things were different for you guys.

[11:57] You were super studs.

[11:58] If you were in a situation where you are in the middle

[12:01] of having sex with your girlfriend,

[12:04] would you then get up, leave, get dressed up as Jason,

[12:07] and come back to prank her,

[12:09] thus risking ruining the mood entirely?

[12:11] Or would you continue through the act of lovemaking

[12:14] and then be satisfied, satisfy your partner,

[12:16] and then go to sleep?

[12:17] I feel like it is a weird choice to get up

[12:19] in the middle of the lovemaking

[12:21] and leave so that he can prank her.

[12:22] It's a really good bit, though, dude.

[12:24] Yeah.

[12:25] It's a great bit.

[12:26] Also, I don't think at any point clarified

[12:27] that Jason wears a hockey mask in his story.

[12:29] No, that's true.

[12:30] So she just has to assume that either it's Jason

[12:32] or her lover has returned for some reason

[12:34] wearing a hockey mask and holding a knife in his hand,

[12:37] which is in a way scarier,

[12:38] that the man you knew and thought you loved,

[12:40] the man you were intimate with,

[12:41] is now coming back as a killer.

[12:42] It's scarier than a zombie man.

[12:43] Yeah.

[12:44] Maybe he's still operating on like the adolescent,

[12:47] you know, horror makes you horny idea.

[12:51] They're already doing it, Dan.

[12:52] But they're already doing it.

[12:53] No, I know, but it's overkill.

[12:54] He's like, this is really gonna get her motor running

[12:57] if I make her think that she's gonna get killed.

[13:01] I'm not gonna yuck Jimmy's yum on this one, guys.

[13:04] So.

[13:05] Free to disagree.

[13:06] Yeah, I mean, his yum is scaring his partner unsolicited

[13:10] in a way that she does not enjoy.

[13:11] I would call that a yuck, yeah.

[13:13] So they climb back into bed when, of course,

[13:15] the real Jason arrives to attack them.

[13:18] He uses some kind of a harpoon gun.

[13:20] He stabs Jimmy in the belly and he dies right away.

[13:23] And then Susie goes to hide in like a little stowage thing.

[13:27] And then Jason shows up and slowly stabs her with a harpoon.

[13:32] That's the cold open, everybody.

[13:33] That's it for them. Very exciting.

[13:35] I like the-

[13:36] That's a wrap for Jimmy and what was their name?

[13:37] What were their names?

[13:38] Susie. Yep.

[13:39] That's a wrap for Jimmy and Susie.

[13:41] I liked the slow stab on the second kill

[13:44] because I found that, you know, in a series

[13:47] that as much as I am fond of is low on scares for me.

[13:52] Like, I don't feel like it's actually that good at suspense.

[13:54] I enjoyed the slow, like, push in of a weapon.

[13:58] It's startling how poor the suspense is

[14:01] in so many of the stalking and killing scenes in this movie.

[14:04] How perfunctory everything comes off.

[14:07] Not to blame Monday Morning Quarterback,

[14:09] but I think a little touch that could have been added

[14:11] to this, because every time you see Jason,

[14:12] Jason at this point looks very wet.

[14:14] He has just dragged himself out of the water.

[14:16] He looks gross, like a water sodden corpse.

[14:21] I wish that every time he's, like, about to show up,

[14:25] his prey would be like, what's that smell?

[14:28] Like, because he would smell terrible.

[14:31] Like, I wish that, like, he was preceded

[14:32] by a horrible smell that they didn't understand

[14:35] and they were grossed out by.

[14:37] So that then, like, there's this, like, running theme

[14:40] of, like, he is preceded by this horrible stench,

[14:44] you know, to build suspense.

[14:45] Yeah.

[14:46] And you could do other bits, who knows?

[14:47] You could do smell bits.

[14:49] Dude, did you leave?

[14:50] No, man, that must have been you.

[14:52] Oh, it's Jason, oh no.

[14:53] You could do the first Odorama release of this.

[14:58] Yeah, exactly, yeah.

[14:59] The smell of a wet mildewy corpse constantly in the theater.

[15:04] Okay, so we are now, we now have a scene shortly after,

[15:08] I guess maybe the next morning,

[15:10] where the group of seniors are boarding

[15:13] a small cruise ship at a dock.

[15:16] It's a small cruise ship that somehow

[15:17] has infinite space inside of it

[15:20] and multiple levels of basement that they can run through.

[15:24] So it's hard to understand.

[15:25] Steam pipe filled basement.

[15:27] Constantly, so it's a cruise ship

[15:29] that has an entire hotel and warehouse inside of it.

[15:32] Yes, so we are introduced to our heroine, Renny,

[15:36] who is a socially awkward teenager

[15:39] who is followed by her dog, Toby, I believe.

[15:42] She's being dropped off by her teacher, Miss Van Dusen,

[15:47] who gives her a pen as a graduation gift

[15:51] that was supposedly owned by Stephen King.

[15:54] Okay.

[15:57] The yacht from earlier.

[15:58] A little tip of the hat

[15:59] from one horror master to another.

[16:02] The yacht from earlier slides into the dock,

[16:05] I'm assuming piloted by Jason.

[16:09] Renny's on the little captain's side.

[16:10] He couldn't resist.

[16:11] He had to put the hat on.

[16:12] He's got a Mark Twain outfit on, so.

[16:16] Now, Mark Twain, Renny was a riverboat captain

[16:18] or old Mark Twain, the famous writer?

[16:21] Well, Jason doesn't really, he hadn't thought it through,

[16:25] so it's kind of a mix of both.

[16:27] And he had to make it with stuff that's from the boat,

[16:29] so he had to rip the stuff feathers out of a pillow

[16:31] so that he could glue it to his face like a mustache,

[16:34] but he glued it over the mask.

[16:36] Yep.

[16:37] So we then meet an evil teacher,

[16:39] played by an evil teacher named Mr. McCullough,

[16:43] who is Renny's legal guardian,

[16:47] and he doesn't want her to go on the trip.

[16:49] He's hesitant because she has issues.

[16:53] Especially the fear of water.

[16:54] She has a horrible fear of water.

[16:57] Both costuming and just the face of the character actor.

[17:01] This is top drawer, 80s, priggish guy, you know?

[17:06] Yes, yeah.

[17:07] Like he's the guy who wants to shut down the concert.

[17:10] Exactly. Yes.

[17:11] He's the guy who, I was assuming the dog

[17:13] was going to bite on the bottom.

[17:16] And he goes, ooh, into the camera.

[17:19] I never. Toby!

[17:23] Meanwhile, on the bridge of the cruise ship,

[17:25] we're introduced to one of the teenagers, Sean,

[17:28] whose father is the captain of the boat

[17:30] who tries to give him command of the boat,

[17:33] but he doesn't do a very good job,

[17:34] so he runs away in a huff,

[17:36] leaving the captain still in charge.

[17:39] It's pretty cool.

[17:40] And then as Sean is running across the deck,

[17:43] a deckhand warns him that the voyage is doomed.

[17:48] This deckhand, I think it's so funny.

[17:51] He just wanders around going like, everyone's gonna die.

[17:54] You're all gonna die.

[17:55] At no point does he get off the boat.

[17:57] He just wanders on the boat

[17:58] talking about how everyone's gonna die.

[17:58] He's like, why are you here?

[17:59] Like, got nothing better to do, huh?

[18:02] It's part of my job to stay here.

[18:04] He's like, my life ain't so great.

[18:08] I get it, it's fine.

[18:09] I gotta see if my prediction was correct.

[18:11] I had a good run.

[18:12] Yeah, yeah, I gotta see if it's correct.

[18:15] Yeah, so Jason climbs aboard, of course.

[18:18] Still wet.

[18:19] The cruise is underway.

[18:20] The kids are having fun.

[18:22] They're playing shuffleboard.

[18:23] They're shooting some skeet.

[18:25] That's a weird choice.

[18:27] And then they're like dancing

[18:29] like part of the dining room

[18:32] has been turned into a dance hall.

[18:34] Yeah, it's like a little disco with a light up floor.

[18:37] Sean, the son of the boat captain,

[18:39] gives Rennie a Statue of Liberty necklace

[18:42] and they plan to walk up all 22 stories of that statue.

[18:47] How romantic.

[18:49] Sounds about right.

[18:50] The way he makes it, but then he talks about,

[18:52] the way he makes it sound,

[18:53] sounds as if he thinks, one,

[18:54] the statue will be open at night

[18:57] and two, that you don't need to get tickets

[19:00] or anything like that,

[19:01] but it's just like a building

[19:02] that you can just saunter into and walk up.

[19:05] And I don't think he's counting the pedestal,

[19:07] which you also have to go up the steps of

[19:09] to get to the statue.

[19:11] If the ground is even open at the time, yeah.

[19:13] I was gonna ask whether you had been to the top.

[19:17] Oh yeah, for sure.

[19:18] I have not in a long time.

[19:19] And the last time I took a trip to New York,

[19:21] I really wanted to take my older son.

[19:23] He really wants to go,

[19:23] but the tickets were sold out months and months in advance.

[19:27] So I need to buy them a year in advance,

[19:29] something like that.

[19:30] But when I was younger, I went up there.

[19:32] And it takes a long time.

[19:34] You stop and starting walking up

[19:35] because you're basically waiting online

[19:37] the entire time you're going up.

[19:39] You get to the windows in the crown.

[19:41] At least back then, they were super filthy

[19:43] and you could not see very much through them.

[19:44] And then you go right back down again.

[19:46] And the excitement of that trip was

[19:49] that suddenly a teenager came running past us,

[19:52] pushing people aside, going down the stairs

[19:54] and a guard chased after him.

[19:56] And it turned out that he, I guess,

[19:57] had been peeing off the edge of one of the railings.

[20:00] and was now in trouble for it.

[20:02] So again, this is New York not too long after Jason was there.

[20:05] So it was not the cleanest place in the world.

[20:07] So it's probably probably a better security and cleaner windows now.

[20:11] Yeah, and but I mean, there's always like a 50% chance like Magneto

[20:15] and his Brotherhood of Mutants or some shit are going to be fucking up the thing.

[20:19] And oh, yeah, or that or that the Independence Day aliens are going to knock it over.

[20:22] Cloverhead's going to smack the head right off of it.

[20:25] Yep, old Cloverhead. Cloverhead, Cloverfield.

[20:27] I mean, the alien with four petals.

[20:31] The luckiest old Cloverhead.

[20:34] The luckiest of all the monsters.

[20:36] Cloverhead is a good St.

[20:39] Patrick's Day themed monster for a horror movie, a St.

[20:41] Patrick's Day horror movie.

[20:43] But you guys have never been up there to the top.

[20:45] I have been to the island.

[20:46] But the time like, you know, a friend was in town.

[20:50] We took her to the thing because she wanted to do like, you know, the big New York stuff.

[20:54] And it was like, I don't know.

[20:57] There was because it was post 9-11 or they were just doing construction,

[20:59] but it was closed for a long time.

[21:00] Yeah, it was closed after 9-11 and it was closed for reconstruction for a while.

[21:06] Yeah, but you can go up there now.

[21:07] It's it's I mean, it's worth doing.

[21:09] It's it's fun to do.

[21:11] It just takes just a lot of standing in line going upstairs.

[21:14] Yeah, I don't like those things.

[21:15] So we also meet. But Dan, you have a great relationship with your knees, right?

[21:21] Yeah, back on the back on the cruise ship.

[21:23] We meet Wayne, a nerd with a camera, a real Steven Soderbergh type.

[21:28] And we have we have going to be his autobiography nerd with the camera.

[21:35] And he is filming JJ, who is a rock chick,

[21:39] who's playing guitar licks on the top of the cruise ship.

[21:42] JJ then goes down into the steamy bowels of the ship to play guitar along with a tape.

[21:48] And then Jason shows up and kills her with her own guitar.

[21:51] Okay, I was sad to see this character go immediately after she was introduced.

[21:56] She seemed like she had more flair than the other.

[21:58] Seemed fun. Yeah.

[21:59] Yes, I was instantly the most the most fun,

[22:02] most charismatic character of all the kids and then murdered immediately.

[22:07] Yeah murdered immediately.

[22:09] Rennie sees a vision of young Jason drowning through her porthole.

[22:15] So it really is a porthole of time.

[22:16] It is showing her the past. It is.

[22:19] When I saw it, I thought of you. The prestige.

[22:24] That fit from what, 10 years ago? Finally paid off.

[22:29] Oh man, yeah. And paid off in cash money, I would imagine.

[22:35] Okay, then we see a boxing match between Julius,

[22:39] one of the other stars of this film and some other guy.

[22:43] They're being watched by Tamara or Tamara and Eva,

[22:47] who are kind of like mean girls, kind of popular girls.

[22:52] And Eva, I'm going to mention, I'm going to mention is played by Kelly

[22:54] and who or here I think she describes Kelly

[22:57] who would go on to play Lady Deathstrike in X2.

[23:01] One of them says, gorgeous guy at 10 o'clock looks sensual.

[23:07] I thought that was a good line.

[23:10] They then conspire after they're almost caught doing cocaine

[23:15] or top drawer toot, I think they call it.

[23:18] They conspire to torture Rennie. That's the brand name.

[23:21] That's the brand name when you ask for it. Yeah, from the 30s.

[23:26] You want a little pep in your step? Get some top drawer toot.

[23:30] So they conspire to torture Rennie,

[23:32] who's afraid of water and they push her overboard,

[23:35] which she does not like. I don't think anyone would.

[23:38] Even if you're not afraid of water,

[23:40] that's not going to be pushed overboard off of the top of a ship.

[23:43] Classic prank. Get pushed off a boat.

[23:46] Although based on the based on the background,

[23:49] it looks like they're they're going past like Vancouver Island or something.

[23:54] It's nice. I mean, it's cold, but nice.

[23:57] The water must be freezing. Yeah. Yeah, it would be really cold.

[24:00] Okay, but I would imagine there's like a really nice like otter

[24:03] or sea lion that would help you back on board.

[24:05] That's what Canada's like. Sure. Sure. It's just like the legend of the Titanic.

[24:10] Even if an otter is well-meaning,

[24:11] I don't think it's going to be able to get you back on a boat.

[24:15] Not a strong animal. Yeah, I don't know.

[24:18] There's a size differential. I mean, the best case scenario,

[24:22] the otter will be able to lie on its back

[24:23] and you can use it as its chest as a wet pillow

[24:26] until it starts banging a piece of shellfish there against your head to open it up.

[24:31] I love it. In the sauna,

[24:35] Jason finds the other boxer

[24:38] and he stuffs a hot rock into his belly until he dies.

[24:43] Okay, that was as far as kills go.

[24:46] That's pretty gross. Get a copy of the Rolling Stones Hot Rocks.

[24:49] Yep. I was confused by the again,

[24:52] confused by what was going on with this ship where each of them seem to have rooms

[24:56] that they were staying in for what appeared to be a multi-hour

[25:00] and that was it trip to New York. There's a sauna on board.

[25:03] There's very little adult supervision. It was you know,

[25:06] I couldn't quite figure out what it's confusing.

[25:08] Usually when like teenagers are involved in a I assume a class trip like this.

[25:13] There's some sort of a like agenda or schedule to keep them busy,

[25:16] but there was none of that. Yeah.

[25:19] While while Rennie is in the water,

[25:22] unfortunately, there are no otters or sea lions to save her

[25:25] but instead she has a vision of young Jason grabbing at her leg in the water.

[25:30] She's rescued but then she has another vision of Jason through a mirror young Jason through a mirror

[25:36] and he reaches through the mirror and grabs her neck

[25:39] and then she falls to the ground and he's gone again.

[25:41] Always cool when someone when a ghost reaches through a mirror.

[25:43] That's always a love it. Yeah, always cool.

[25:46] Best version that for me is Evil Dead 2.

[25:48] I love Ash looks in the mirror and he jumps at himself.

[25:50] I will say in a movie that is like generally pretty cheap looking

[25:56] even though apparently it had the highest budget of any of those things up until that point

[26:01] like young Jason looks like a garbage pail kid.

[26:07] It's it's strange that it maybe that's the cost of shooting in New York that like even this movie

[26:11] which had a more than five million dollar budget.

[26:13] Yeah, it has no stars in it looks cheap.

[26:16] Like I don't know where the money's going.

[26:18] Tamara one of the mean girls tries to seduce.

[26:21] Mr. McCullough so that she doesn't have to complete her like science project.

[26:26] So she takes off the kimono.

[26:28] She's wearing and she has painted organ placements all over her body,

[26:33] which I'm like at that point. Maybe she completed the rules of her science.

[26:37] I mean, that's a pretty good way to do it do the assignment.

[26:39] If that's the time unless he's like you're supposed to talk about molecular bonding,

[26:43] you know, I don't know what her assignment is, you know,

[26:45] and then she drags him to the bed and they kiss but he resists.

[26:48] However, Wayne has been filming this thing the whole time

[26:52] and they blackmail him to they don't really specify the terms of the blackmail,

[26:57] but you assume it's some kind of a blackmail.

[26:59] I mean so he she passes but like he seems pretty dead set on actually not doing that.

[27:06] Like they assume that it had worked after he left

[27:09] because he wouldn't dare the scandal, but I don't know.

[27:13] Anyway, Elliot, what were you saying? Sorry.

[27:14] Well, I'm going to say Mr. McCullough does not he doesn't resist as much as he could have

[27:18] like it would have been much easier for him to remove himself,

[27:21] but also they all end up dead. Anyway, all this is moot.

[27:24] It doesn't matter. There's no Jason.

[27:30] It's just strange to me that the filmmakers would include this scene

[27:33] and do any of this this kind of plotting

[27:36] or anything when it'll amount to nothing.

[27:38] It doesn't matter at all amounts to nothing.

[27:40] Yeah, just an excuse to get another member of the cast naked.

[27:45] Yeah, I guess that's it. It was a key and it's even part of the franchise.

[27:49] It's even sexier because her organs are drawn on her body.

[27:52] So you can imagine what's going on under the not just under her clothes,

[27:55] but under her skin is an extortion plot with an older teacher all of its super.

[28:02] You guys ever go on like a school field.

[28:05] Do you guys ever go to like a school field trip to like a science center

[28:08] where you saw a lady with like translucent skin with organs in it?

[28:13] I think they called her Pam at my in Fort Wayne.

[28:17] Never met him. Okay. No, I haven't met him.

[28:19] But it was like a way to like show the it was a way to like,

[28:22] I mean it was obviously not a real person. It was a little statue or whatever.

[28:27] Died. Sorry, you had to find out on a podcast live.

[28:34] Okay, so she is celebrating her big victory.

[28:40] She is going to go to the shower. Jason shows up breaks in

[28:45] and then stabs her with a mirror fragment.

[28:48] How ironic that a young woman obsessed with her appearance would die by a mirror.

[28:52] Yeah, like the story of Narcissus itself.

[28:55] A storm rolls in Jason kills the captain in the first mate

[29:00] and then Sean and Rennie find the bodies.

[29:04] Wait, that's Sean's dad. That's and Jason is somehow propped up.

[29:07] Sean's dad's body against the wheels that doesn't fall down,

[29:10] which seems like unnecessary. Why would he bother to do that?

[29:13] He does that shit all the time, dude. He's all about his scare factory.

[29:16] I guess the killing is just a way for him to get to scares.

[29:19] He's more interested in scaring someone with the body than he is in killing the person.

[29:23] Well, yeah, because the next scene it follows that so they try and radio for help

[29:27] and Jason lets them make the initial radio call

[29:30] and then we see him yanking the wires out. He lets them think something's going to happen.

[29:34] Then he showed like midway through he cuts him off.

[29:37] Yeah, and luckily he knew exactly when they were going to use the radio

[29:40] and the right moment to pull those wires.

[29:42] That's the thing. He's so good at what he does.

[29:45] Yeah, he had been drowned as a kid who knows what would have become of him.

[29:49] If he jigsawed, Dan, if he hadn't drowned as a kid, he'd be jigsawed.

[29:53] It plays to his skills. Plus teleportation.

[29:57] The rest of the survivors report...

[30:00] the bridge including at this point Julius is now wearing the exact same cool tracksuit top that I

[30:06] used to own and made me so excited to see it uh in a movie like I used to have that jacket um

[30:12] and then that weird old deckhand shows up again to tell them it's Jason. Jason's the one doing

[30:16] the killing. Mr. McCullough's like shut up but it's like everyone agrees it's probably Jason

[30:21] doing the killing. Let's all get on the same page here, me and Jason. Look look let's let's

[30:27] Occam's razor. It's Jason. It's the simplest explanation. This has happened seven times before

[30:34] at this point there's no it makes sense they should have dredged the lake. I mean a couple

[30:38] of times before technically it wasn't Jason but you know he's killed he'll kill again just like

[30:44] he did seven times before actually creepy deckhand only six times it was his mom the first time five

[30:50] though because then there's an other guy part five yeah that's right that's right oh you're

[30:54] right you convinced yeah that's true okay like he's done five times to be honest I'm not always

[31:01] the most informed guy about Jason and his killings being a deckhand who just works on the lake if

[31:06] it's not related to the lake I'm not really that into it uh you want to hear some facts about the

[31:13] lake you know when the glaciers came down they carved this lake killing many probably I think

[31:20] one of the glaciers look kind of like a hockey mask just walk out that is Jason in a way the

[31:24] glaciers were bigger killers than Jason think about it think about it are you thinking about

[31:30] it don't think about it too much it'll distract you and then Jason will stab you in the back

[31:34] okay that can can we go it's kind of all in danger do we have to tell you about this

[31:40] you know I you know I've dated Jason's mom a little bit we didn't it not that she was I we

[31:45] didn't break up because she was crazy just you know I we didn't we didn't have the chemistry

[31:49] so I was almost Jason's dad in a way can you imagine that well no that's not how reproduction

[31:54] works it's not different it would have been different a different child would have been

[31:57] born probably better for everybody you're saying I should have pursued her so that Jason would

[32:01] never be born I mean it's hold on let me get my time machine hold on wait a minute

[32:08] because it was all a misunderstanding I thought she was waiting for me at one place and she

[32:11] thought I was going to meet her at another place and you know we just never connected after that

[32:16] you know I guess if we had meant more to each other we would have the way yeah we would you

[32:20] know life how it happens you get married you have kids you grow up suddenly a woman you dated a long

[32:28] time ago is killing teenagers at the summer camp it's a lot like our town and her son goes into

[32:32] the family business yeah it's just like our town just you know the generations ahead of us millions

[32:37] of them getting married two by two uh so Eva finds Tamara's body and then she runs away from Jason

[32:44] only to get cornered in the day on the dance floor and then he strangles her this was a fun

[32:48] scene where she sees she's in the middle of the dance floor she sees Jason she looks away looks

[32:54] back he's gone completely and then he is right up on her and chokes her this is like he does a lot

[33:00] of that like all of a sudden teleport surprise attack and this is I thought this was the best

[33:04] scene in the movie this this floor he'll say it's great it's really well done and then he kills her

[33:08] and chokes her death and then at the end he just dumps her body on the floor and there's this heavy

[33:13] thud and that was the most chilling moment in the whole movie to me that was the only time I was

[33:17] like oh a person just died like Jason just murdered someone there was a life inside that body and now

[33:22] it's empty and the I was like if the whole movie was at that level it would it could be a really

[33:27] good you know I'm a hundred percent with my shirt yeah um okay so uh Julius kind of takes charge of

[33:34] all the teens they divide up the weapons including those shotguns used for ski shooting uh uh Wayne

[33:41] takes a shotgun and his camera and he goes down into the bowels of the ship again he gets blasted

[33:48] by steam so his glasses fall off in his confusion he accidentally shoots either a fellow student or

[33:54] somebody working on the boat then Jason shows up beats him up and then throws him onto a control

[34:00] panel which electrocutes him and then sets the body on fire causing a large fire on the ship

[34:05] mm-hmm so Wayne really a lot happens with Wayne in this moment yeah this is like a

[34:10] multiple death character moment yeah it's really it's actually really great um okay uh I mean if

[34:16] he hadn't been killed his life would have been ruined anyway by that accident so you know yeah

[34:21] yeah yeah you're saying Jason's a hero in a way it was a mercy yeah yeah we should all be more

[34:27] like Jason you say that Dan you say that Dan but no no more no uh less illustrious a person than

[34:33] Adlai Stevenson twice the democratic nominee for mayor for president was the mayor democratic

[34:38] candidate for me I said Mary again twice the democratic candidate for president United States

[34:43] accidentally shot and killed someone in his youth he was able to get past it yeah so I think I think

[34:48] he was a good lesson for us all 12 or 13 never killed go out and shoot someone and grow up to be

[34:54] Adlai Stevenson it's a very sad story he was like 12 or 13 and was handed a gun that he thought was

[34:58] that he was told was not loaded and pointed at a girl and shot her dead and really traumatized

[35:03] him for a while but he went on to be a really impressive figure in American politics so yeah

[35:08] that's the secret if you want to be the democratic candidate for president I guess have a have a

[35:12] horrible thing that you do by accident when you're a kid so so now we get some more you know

[35:19] so now we get some kids running around on the deck of the ship it's all rainy one of the kids

[35:23] climbs a mast to try and evade Jason he keeps looking over his shoulder then all of a sudden

[35:28] Jason just grabs him chucks him onto a uh onto like some spikes and he dies uh Jason surprises

[35:35] Julius and throws him overboard don't worry he didn't die he'll show back up uh Renny sees another

[35:40] vision of young Jason drowning and then old Jason headbutts his way through a porthole

[35:46] and Renny stabs him in the eye to escape one neat bit is when Jason pulls the what knife or pen or

[35:52] whatever the pen she was given as a gift by her teacher when he pulls it out like lake water

[35:59] spills out instead of blood I thought yeah gross old lake water and it's like Jason's crying like

[36:04] is this what I've become yeah yeah and it is literally Chekhov's pen because even though

[36:10] even though they say it's Stephen King's pin in the movie I think they bought it at an auction

[36:13] the Chekhov auction estate and so that was the actual pen that anti-Chekhov wrote used to write

[36:18] three sisters I believe so historic artifact for Russian literary literary uh and drama history

[36:24] yeah yeah treated with disrespect by Jason oh no well disrespect by Jason it's Renny the one who's

[36:29] stabbing people's faces you know the uh the ship is sinking so Renny, Sean, Mr. McCullough, Miss

[36:35] Van Dusen, Toby the dog board a lifeboat and then they manage to pull Julius aboard and they escape

[36:42] surrounded by fog when the fog clears they're in New York Harbor what they made it what a great

[36:49] school trip and they go see Manhattan Melody on Broadway starring the Muppets and they're like

[36:56] this is what we came to Manhattan for somebody's getting married do you guys want to do the whole

[37:04] somebody somebody somebody somebody yeah I mean this is so this movie I was thinking about this

[37:09] movie came out what five years after the Muppets take Manhattan so do you think Jason takes

[37:13] Manhattan was a deliberate play on that or do you think takes Manhattan was a pre-existing phrase

[37:19] uh well there's that song I'll take Manhattan but uh by Jason yeah but yeah well by Jason and

[37:27] the Argonauts the Argonauts were just his band I say but Jason yeah they were like the Archies

[37:32] they were just studio musicians that were brought together for that one song yeah I saw I saw the

[37:36] cover band the Golden Fleeces they were pretty good oh okay yeah they just do Jason and the

[37:41] Argonauts stuff yeah yeah that's plural for fleas fleas yeah so they so they disembark

[37:49] and they enter New York City Jason drags himself uh ashore shortly after them as soon as they get

[37:55] to New York they are immediately mugged by some gang member youth type even before that even

[38:00] before that the teacher Mr. McCullough he's such a dick to everybody he goes oh you couldn't have

[38:04] found it found a better place to dock the boat and it's like dude he just he's not a ship's

[38:10] captain he managed to pilot this boat to New York City and dock it and these are the docks

[38:14] it's not like you can go anywhere in New York City and just leave your boat tied up it just

[38:18] it was such an unnecessary dick I felt I was I was really mad at that guy at that moment yeah

[38:23] something bad happens I hope he gets drowned in a in a trash can after this

[38:27] uh so they get uh they get mugged by some thugs who uh decide to kidnap or any at this point I'm

[38:35] like that's a mistake guys like yeah you don't want to get into kidnapping why are you why are

[38:40] you complicating things I mean this is this is new this is New York in the 80s as we all know

[38:44] from the movies uh gangs of multi-ethnic thugs are just robbing people and kidnapping young white

[38:51] women and they don't know spray-painting Johnny Five exactly and inducting him into their gang uh

[38:57] kicking people's balls into outer space which is not legal and and the uh but you have to assume

[39:03] that and unusual they're also they're they're movie criminals uh but they're they know they

[39:10] are not aware that she has a psychic link with a death elemental who is driven to chase her yeah

[39:16] so they uh they take Rennie down an alley where they inject her with some milky green drugs before

[39:21] they attempt to uh take sexual liberties with her uh before that can happen Jason shows up

[39:28] and he takes the drug needle and rams it through the back of one guy killing him and then he uh

[39:33] smashes the other goon's face against the steam pipe I'm assuming killing him as well Rennie runs

[39:38] away uh Julius then leads Jason to the roof of a building where they have a one-sided boxing match

[39:46] where Julius tires himself out punching Jason a whole bunch and then he gives the opportunity

[39:52] let him wear let him wear himself out and then and then Julius gives Jason the opportunity to

[39:58] take his best shot so Jason

[40:00] Punches his head off and it rolls down a roof into a dumpster, which

[40:04] Yeah, it's a real laugh. I also forgot to mention this as soon as Jason got to New York. He saw a big a

[40:10] big billboard for a hot with a hockey goalie and a hockey mask and that's yeah, you know, it's hilarious

[40:17] And he has a moment of is that me?

[40:21] Am I big in New York is me is is that big me a big brother be

[40:27] So McCullough then shows up with a police New York NYPD officer who is very Canadian

[40:35] yes, and

[40:38] Sean and Rennie show up as well. They all get into the cop car where Jason has already posed Julius's severed head on the dashboard

[40:46] He's such a fucking scamp this guy

[40:49] I

[40:54] Love him. I love because he's such a stinker

[40:57] We didn't mention this constantly always. Yeah, I don't think we mentioned but

[41:03] Jason, of course in this go-around played by a fan favorite Kane Hodder. Yeah, your favorite. He's easily my favorite

[41:11] There's no question easily the best of the Jason's that's for sure now as far as Jason looks go

[41:16] I would say this is not one of these strongest Jason looks number one, of course is

[41:21] Part seven Jason looks incredible in that a perfect like part seven Jason was incredible

[41:28] Part seven is what it is like kind of tied part four and seven are my two favorites

[41:34] Basically, I don't know seven is the one where he's seven is the one that's basically fire starter meets Jason and it rocks

[41:41] It just rocks so hard

[41:43] Seven and four is great because it's kind of the perfect like

[41:46] Friday the 13th movie and that's the one with Corey Feldman it. Yeah, I think that's my fave

[41:51] That's the one I used to see on TV the most they

[41:55] Play that the most. Yeah, but I will say I agree that they look his look in

[42:00] this one is it doesn't help that he's wet all the time and

[42:03] It doesn't help that he's his clothes are like ripped but not ripped in like in that scary zombie way

[42:09] Yeah, not ripped to that sexy zombie way

[42:13] And I think because he's so wet and he's always shiny as a result in my memory as a

[42:20] Kid, I remember before I finally saw the movie. I think remembering him from

[42:25] from the commercials

[42:26] I thought he was wearing like hell like Hellraiser type like centibite black leather like some kind of shiny cool leather and

[42:32] Again, finally watching it and being like, oh, he just looks like a garbage man whose clothes got ripped up

[42:37] Like that's not that's that's not exciting, you know

[42:39] Yeah, and he doesn't nor is he wet enough to be like, what is it the tar man zombie from Return of the Dead?

[42:45] Yeah

[42:49] It's not it's not like it's not like gross like like like reprehensible like loathsome wet it's just kind of like

[42:56] Okay, you know like all over everywhere. Yeah, you're like, I don't want to be on the subway with that guy

[43:02] Exactly but not cuz I think he's gonna kill me just cuz it's gonna smell and you know

[43:05] He'll be that smell that you were hoping for is a yeah

[43:08] So they so they they take the cop car and they run over Jason

[43:14] but then

[43:16] Another vision of young Jason causes Rennie to crash the cop car which explodes killing miss Van Dusen

[43:23] Rennie stares into a puddle and has a flashback to a summer as a child where mr

[43:28] McCullough pushes her into the lake in an attempt to teach her to swim only for her to be pulled down by young Jason, huh?

[43:34] And he's saying where this all comes from

[43:36] He's saying to her you better learn to swim or Jason's gonna drag you down

[43:40] Like he's using Jason as a as a scary boogeyman to to get her to start swimming doesn't work

[43:45] Sean pushes. Mr. McCullough into some trash and runs off. Jason was cheers. Yeah

[43:53] Wakes up, so mr. McCullough runs

[43:56] Number one stand-up and cheer moment, right? It was number one. Number two was the funny tell the flash came along

[44:03] Mr. McCullough pushed into some garbage. I

[44:07] Kind of want to go back through every years where the movies and pick this

[44:11] That'll be a great flab ass mini, okay, 1968, I assume it's Charlton Heston finally talks to the apes

[44:18] That was the base. Oh, yeah. Oh my god. Everybody lost their fucking money

[44:23] Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty apes the audience lost it just jumped up and screamed. Yeah

[44:29] Yeah, people were buying shirts that said that line. It was awesome. Yeah. Yeah

[44:33] So Jason wakes up mr. McCullough is a young man. He's a young man. He's a young man

[44:39] So Jason wakes up. Mr. McCullough sees Jason and he runs away and tries to hide in an abandoned building

[44:45] He's immediately chucked out of a window

[44:49] Not by the residents, I think it would have been

[44:52] And then like residents of a New York building just chucked him out. So you'd be

[44:56] Jason we don't care

[45:01] Then

[45:03] 500 a month for this abandoned building apartment. Yeah

[45:06] Charlene's Charlene's cousin sent her a video of

[45:12] Staten Island, I don't know if you guys you guys are familiar with the Staten Island turkeys not a sports team

[45:17] It's just that there's a lot of wild turkeys that live on Staten Island. Oh, and she has this video. That's a

[45:23] Of this like van pulling up on the street next to a turkey and the guy just yells out the window get the fuck

[45:33] I've ever seen

[45:38] Some gravy

[45:42] Okay, so then Jason speaking of gravy Jason then picks up mr

[45:45] McCullough and stuffs him headfirst into a barrel of green toxic waste with a dead rat in it

[45:51] And drowns him as we had in the 80s

[45:56] Great in the 80s open

[45:59] Barrels

[46:01] Waterfront

[46:04] Sean and ready go sit down on a bed bug cows

[46:08] Alleyway, it's so funny me to watch these movies now, too

[46:10] and look back on my memories of New York at the time where I was not in the most rundown areas of New York City when

[46:16] I was a kid when I would go in and visit my grandma, but it was very much like I would go to New York

[46:21] I'd visit my grandmother we'd go to a Broadway show

[46:22] We get dinner at a Chinese restaurant

[46:24] Like the idea that New York was just like a hellhole with open open barrels of toxic waste everywhere and

[46:30] Abandoned buildings full of rats and monsters. This is like just let me make I'm like, I never experienced that in New York the same way

[46:36] I mean when we go to Broadway shows

[46:38] We would have to walk past like Times Square like peep show emporiums and things like that

[46:42] But it was not that was the least of it. You know, that was about it

[46:45] You're like and you're like grandma. What's that? And she'd be like not for you yet

[46:50] Someday someday you'll learn the ways of the flesh

[46:55] Man loves a lot of women very much when a man well when a man loves

[47:00] Pleasuring himself to the fantasy image of a woman because he feels uncomfortable around the real thing

[47:07] Because he fears about being an intimate truly intimate means

[47:13] Anyway, I have some friends who are gonna flay you but you're gonna like it and take me away

[47:20] Such yeah, what a cottagecore pinhead we have there. Okay, so

[47:25] Sean and Rennie sit on a bedbug couch left in an alleyway and they share a

[47:29] Chased kiss. This is a rare a moment of intimacy that they get before Jason burst through some boxes

[47:38] They then board a subway train while Jason chases them through the tunnels and this is really where I'm like, you know

[47:43] What maniac of New York the death train did this better? Thank you. I appreciate that

[47:48] So they what partly because it is clearly not a New York subway train that they're on but also

[47:54] The other people excite from when he the Jason pushes someone over but otherwise he's just ignoring everybody else around

[48:00] Yeah, only focused on these two teens

[48:02] He doesn't care about anybody else, which is not my it's just not my image of horror

[48:06] You know my image as any readers of maniac of New York the death train. That's the first collection

[48:10] Second collection is of course maniac of New York

[48:12] That might what I always wanted to see was a Jason who is just an unstoppable massacre murder machine who does not have

[48:21] personal vendettas so much as just

[48:23] wants it wants to kill and just walks through like a like a lawnmower blade just hacking people apart and

[48:29] That's not what we get here

[48:30] And if the I will say I do like they pull the emergency cord and Jason falls and slides

[48:36] Seemingly almost the length of the car

[48:39] And I'm like, yeah, that's cool

[48:40] It's super clumsy, but I imagine this huge hulking monster would we get that kind of distance and he's wet too. Yeah the

[48:47] Yeah, I mean it's like how one of the things I like about Jason X is where Jason wakes up on a space station in

[48:53] the future and he's like

[48:55] Okay

[48:58] Yeah, he may as well have like shrugged to the audience

[49:02] How clear his attitude is just like okay time to make the doughnuts

[49:08] That's more the image of Jason. I like yeah, yeah where he like picks up his old machete and then he sees like a futuristic

[49:14] Machete, he's like, no, no, I'll take the future

[49:17] Well, that's a little better except he goes

[49:26] So they may should knock Jason on a third rail he gets zapped and we're like, oh wow, that's cool the nightmares over

[49:33] No chance. They escaped. They escaped to Times Square

[49:37] Jason follows them. This is where all the budget went is shooting in Times Square. Yeah. Yes entirely and I was trying to figure out

[49:45] Whether I thought this was dumb or not that they get to Times Square and they look around in awe like any city any country

[49:51] Bumpkin being in Times Square for the first time, but I was like that's dumb that they're not running then

[49:56] I'm like, you know what they think this traumatic experience is over and now they're overwhelmed by the lights

[50:00] noise of Times Square, maybe they would stop and try to make sense of it all with their

[50:04] mouths hanging agape at the moment.

[50:06] Maybe that's a good moment of characterization, I don't know.

[50:08] I want to apologize on behalf of all transplants or visitors to New York for Elliot's attitude

[50:16] towards bumpkins.

[50:19] I was once a bumpkin who was impressed by Times Square too.

[50:21] I think that the, I need to explain that.

[50:23] I believe when Dan first got to New York, he was wearing a straw hat and overalls and

[50:29] he had a tug of hay sticking out of his mouth.

[50:34] All of his things were in a bindle, yeah.

[50:36] He had a jug of moonshine at his hip.

[50:39] I believe his first words upon seeing the city were, garsh.

[50:46] Our attitudes are informed by having all of us lived in New York for decades, in Elliot's

[50:55] case obviously not currently.

[50:57] I grew up in New Jersey, I had family in New York, so I was going in and out of New

[51:02] York a lot as a child and I do wish that I had the experience of experiencing New York

[51:06] for the first time as an adult because I imagine it is an exciting, overwhelming thing as opposed

[51:11] to it feeling familiar.

[51:12] What were you going to say Dan?

[51:13] I apologize.

[51:14] I'm just saying that our attitudes are informed of course by just having to go through Times

[51:20] Square as residents every once in a while.

[51:23] How unpleasant it is, how it is filled with outtowers who don't know how to not stop in

[51:31] the middle of the road.

[51:32] It's just me bumping into tourists going, get the fuck out of here.

[51:39] And how if you live in Times Square, if you don't work in that area, you are just passing

[51:42] through it.

[51:43] There's no reason for you to be hanging out there because you don't need to be at the

[51:46] M&M's store unless you're going to a Broadway show or something.

[51:48] Unless you're low on M&M's.

[51:49] Unless you're low on M&M's.

[51:50] Yeah, where else do you buy your fucking M&M's?

[51:51] It's the only place to get M&M's.

[51:52] They don't taste right at the other stores because they make them I guess there.

[51:53] That's where they're killing those big talking M&M's and chopping them up into the little

[51:54] M&M's.

[51:55] No, those are little poop nuggets.

[51:56] There's just M&M's in the back being force fed like foie gras geese that they poop out

[51:57] more M&M's.

[51:58] I will say, the most scared I've ever been in New York.

[51:59] New York was not a city I found scary.

[52:00] Maybe because I was used to it quite a bit.

[52:01] But New York was not a city I found scary.

[52:02] Maybe because I was used to it quite a bit.

[52:03] But New York was not a city I found scary.

[52:04] walking through it when the Super Bowl was in New Jersey and all of the Super Bowl weekend

[52:27] events were in New York and Times Square.

[52:28] And it was so packed full of locals and tourists that it was the only time I've ever been in

[52:34] a situation where I was desperately worried that there would be a stampede and I'd be

[52:36] trampled to death.

[52:37] It was so scary how packed it was.

[52:39] And so Times Square is a place you try to...

[52:41] I had a reverse Vanilla Sky experience where Tom Cruise was like, where's all the people?

[52:46] Like me, I was like, there's too many people here.

[52:48] What's going on?

[52:49] So Times Square can be scary and in some ways as scary as Jason.

[52:52] Yeah.

[52:53] Yeah.

[52:54] I got two words for scariest New York moment, Santa Con.

[52:58] Okay.

[52:59] Well, that was whenever I had so many memories of meeting up with my family, my family coming

[53:06] in from New Jersey, meeting my grandmother, all meeting together in a restaurant, and

[53:09] then seeing outside the hordes of Santa Con roaming around and it's just kind of hiding

[53:14] in the restaurant as if zombies were rampaging the city and finally found refuge, you know?

[53:19] Yeah.

[53:20] Ugh, Santa Con, horrible.

[53:21] So they escaped to New York.

[53:22] They're running away from Jason.

[53:23] Jason, in his pursuit, manages to kick over a boombox.

[53:28] Some thugs attempt to accost him.

[53:30] They say, you're dead meat.

[53:31] He turns around and lifts up his mask, unseen by the viewer, and they turn around and run

[53:37] away.

[53:38] It's a good bit.

[53:40] As if to confirm to them, I am dead meat.

[53:42] You're right.

[53:43] I'm a rotting corpse.

[53:44] It is a good bit.

[53:45] And also, this is a moment of surprising self-awareness on Jason's behalf, knowing that all he needs

[53:50] to do is to show them his visage.

[53:54] This is a funny moment, but it undercuts Jason considerably to me, because it shows that

[54:01] self-awareness and also that he's like, hey, you kids, get out of here.

[54:09] It feels like more of a Freddy-type thing to do than a Jason-type thing.

[54:12] Yeah.

[54:13] He turns to the camera and goes, next time, and winks.

[54:14] You know, as a stinker.

[54:16] Kids these days.

[54:18] Yep.

[54:19] And then he chews on a carrot.

[54:20] Now you're being scared straight.

[54:21] That's what he says to them, as they run away.

[54:26] They escape through the Times Diner, which I don't know about you guys, I love.

[54:31] There's a little joke about how they tell the grizzled waitress that they're being pursued

[54:36] by a killer, and she's like, welcome to New York.

[54:41] And she also answers the phone and says that they're open until 3 a.m. every day.

[54:47] And I'm like, oh, I miss that New York.

[54:49] Because a lot of the late spots aren't open anymore.

[54:52] Thanks, COVID.

[54:53] Okay.

[54:54] Wow.

[54:55] It shows you how long we used to be able to say, thanks, Giuliani, thanks, Bloomberg.

[54:58] Now it's thanks, COVID.

[55:00] You know what?

[55:01] I've seen so many generations of New Yorkers getting mad that New York is not what it once

[55:04] was.

[55:05] Giving thanks.

[55:06] I feel like if it was up to Eric Adams, restaurants and clubs would be open all night long, every

[55:12] day, 24 hours.

[55:14] He's a party mayor and a piece of shit.

[55:17] But they'd all take crypto.

[55:18] Yeah, they'd only be paid, you could only pay in crypto.

[55:23] So here's, I have been, I'm only, I only have to pay attention to Eric Adams because I don't

[55:27] live in New York anymore.

[55:28] I'm not, I figured I should learn about the politics of the city I live in.

[55:31] It seems, every time I hear something about him, I'm like, what is this guy's deal?

[55:35] Like what is his, what is his deal?

[55:37] I don't understand it.

[55:38] I just don't understand it.

[55:39] He's the guy who promised if he won the primary, he would get his ears pierced.

[55:43] And then he did.

[55:44] It's like, that's not a sacrifice.

[55:48] It's not like a guy who shaves his beard if you make it to the playoffs.

[55:51] That's just a guy who's like, hey, I wanted to get this thing done.

[55:54] So I did it.

[55:55] But it's also a weird thing.

[55:56] I sacrificed myself.

[55:58] It's a weird incentive to give to voters in a democratic primary that like, hey, check

[56:02] it out.

[56:03] I'll pierce my ears if you vote for me.

[56:04] And then being like, I'd love to see that.

[56:05] Yeah.

[56:06] I can't wait to see that.

[56:08] Okay.

[56:09] So they escape out the back of the diner.

[56:10] I do want to say in the diner.

[56:12] This is a little not quite Easter egg.

[56:16] Jason gets into a fight with the short order cook there.

[56:19] And the man who plays the short order cook would go on to play Jason in Freddy vs. Jason.

[56:22] No, that's nice to see.

[56:24] So it's like Jason is fighting with his future self.

[56:27] It's a very edible moment, you know, between the two of them.

[56:30] Edible.

[56:31] It is edible.

[56:32] It's in a diner.

[56:33] Oh, Dan, I had the same thought.

[56:34] Yeah.

[56:35] Twins.

[56:36] We're in the same room, so we can't high five, but we're doing it spiritually.

[56:41] They escape out the back and into another flooded tunnel.

[56:44] They run into a another very Canadian workman who explains that the sewer tunnels flood.

[56:53] As Canadian as that cop was earlier, the tunnel guy is so much more Canadian.

[56:57] And I'm just like, really?

[56:58] You had to get a local.

[56:59] You couldn't have.

[57:00] You couldn't have told him to at least try to sound New York.

[57:02] It's amazing to me.

[57:03] They're like, yeah, with the bushiest mustache.

[57:06] Yeah.

[57:07] Like he might as well have been wearing a Mountie hat and waving a Canadian flag and

[57:11] a hockey stick.

[57:12] Yeah.

[57:13] Labatt's blue or some shit.

[57:14] Hold on.

[57:15] Let me let me tell you about let me let me tell you about the sewers.

[57:18] But first, I got to finish this plate of poutine.

[57:20] Hold on a second.

[57:22] Just go all the way.

[57:23] So they the Canadian workman explains that the sewer tunnels filled with toxic waste

[57:29] every every day at midnight.

[57:32] And then Jason kills him with classic monkey New York stuff.

[57:36] Such a bonkers idea that every night at midnight, one, where's the toxic waste coming from?

[57:41] Two, that they would flush it out through the sewers every night, every night at midnight.

[57:46] Midnight's not even that late to do it.

[57:48] People are still out.

[57:50] It could splash out of the sewer gratings.

[57:52] And I do like that these these sewer tunnels have like hanging pendant lights.

[57:57] Yes.

[57:58] But it seems strange for like a sewer tunnel for what is essentially a tunnel for just

[58:04] for for liquid waste to have lights for anyone who might be walking through it.

[58:08] Yeah.

[58:09] We do it to flush out all the food particles.

[58:12] So none of these mogwai eat it.

[58:14] Oh, yeah.

[58:15] Because then you got a gremlin problem.

[58:17] Oh, no.

[58:18] You wouldn't want one of those.

[58:20] Wow.

[58:21] We're doing man.

[58:22] We're really killing.

[58:23] We're actually.

[58:24] Yeah.

[58:25] It's like.

[58:26] Yeah.

[58:27] So Rennie leads Jason away from Sean, then throws toxic waste in his face, which I guess

[58:32] like burns him or blinds him.

[58:33] He takes his mask off.

[58:35] They climb a ladder to escape.

[58:37] But a blind and maskless Jason grabs their legs and then he is washed away in a tide

[58:42] of toxic waste.

[58:43] And then we see some parallels between Jason's original drowning.

[58:47] Lightning strikes the city a bunch.

[58:48] And Jason has now become young Jason again.

[58:51] It's like lightning hits the Statue of Liberty, right?

[58:53] Yeah.

[58:54] I guess it's like evil lightning or maybe it's maybe that's where they're flushing the

[58:59] toxic waste through.

[59:00] Get the tourists out every night at midnight.

[59:03] We send toxic waste through the Statue of Liberty.

[59:05] So you got to get the tourists out of there.

[59:07] Lady Liberty cleanses the toxic waste and makes it pure water.

[59:10] Wait, am I drinking that?

[59:15] That's why.

[59:16] Oh, yeah.

[59:17] Give me your toxic, your impure, your bad water that needs cleaning.

[59:21] That's what it says at the bottom of the pedestal.

[59:23] Oh, she does it all.

[59:24] Okay.

[59:25] And then they walk through the city.

[59:26] I thought I was from Canada.

[59:27] I might be from Chicago.

[59:28] I'm not totally sure where the accents lead me.

[59:31] Then they walk through the streets of New York.

[59:33] Now the workman had said that it floods with toxic waste at midnight.

[59:37] But when they're walking through the streets, it seems like it's like shortly before dawn.

[59:41] I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel like midnight at this point.

[59:44] It might be.

[59:45] Maybe it's just that time of year in New York when the sun rises at 12.01 a.m.

[59:50] And then, of course, Toby the dog runs up and everyone's like, yeah, and then at the

[59:55] end of the movie and we get kind of a banger of a theme song during the credits.

[59:59] This movie.

[1:00:00] in which a killer zombie follows teenagers

[1:00:04] that take a boat from Crystal Lake

[1:00:06] through the waterways of the East Coast to Manhattan.

[1:00:10] And then toxic waste and magic lightning

[1:00:13] de-ages him into a child.

[1:00:15] The most unbelievable thing to me

[1:00:17] was that Toby the dog is like,

[1:00:18] "'Ruff, ruff, here I am!"

[1:00:20] Like, he just shows up and meets up with them.

[1:00:22] That seemed bonkers to me, too far, too far.

[1:00:24] You know that in the first screening they showed it

[1:00:26] and everybody was like,

[1:00:27] what happens with a dog?

[1:00:29] I don't like it if I don't see what happens with a dog.

[1:00:31] So that's why they have Toby the dog show up.

[1:00:34] Here's my larger question.

[1:00:35] Why is Toby the dog in this movie?

[1:00:37] To give a happy ending.

[1:00:39] You just saw a bunch of kids being killed.

[1:00:41] You gotta get a picture of a dog.

[1:00:42] I mean, who doesn't do anything?

[1:00:44] He does nothing, he disappears.

[1:00:46] There were parts of the movie where I'm like,

[1:00:47] oh yeah, they had a dog with them,

[1:00:48] because he shows up.

[1:00:49] And I wonder if they had something planned,

[1:00:51] like a Jason versus dog scene

[1:00:53] that either they couldn't do

[1:00:54] because they couldn't get the,

[1:00:56] the budget wouldn't have allowed for it,

[1:00:57] or that they were like,

[1:00:59] or that they had a scene where Jason killed a dog

[1:01:01] and it did not go over well,

[1:01:02] so they had to bring him back at the end.

[1:01:04] I wonder if that's what it was.

[1:01:05] I bet there was a sequence where Toby the dog

[1:01:08] slurped up some toxic waste

[1:01:09] and turned into like a giant hybrid

[1:01:11] and then they got in a big fight,

[1:01:13] like a ninja turtle.

[1:01:14] That would have been pretty good, right?

[1:01:15] Yeah, it just turns into,

[1:01:16] it was either Toca or Rezar.

[1:01:18] I forget which one of them from Secret of the Ooze

[1:01:20] was the mammal, but he fights Jason.

[1:01:22] What a movie this could have been, yeah.

[1:01:24] Yeah, more series should do that.

[1:01:26] This is their eighth episode,

[1:01:28] just taking a radical shift right in the middle of the film.

[1:01:31] What, I guess this is happening now?

[1:01:33] Yeah, toxic waste turns animals into animal people.

[1:01:36] I get, and so Jason, number nine,

[1:01:38] is him leading an army of animal people,

[1:01:40] like he's Dr. Moreau.

[1:01:41] Yeah.

[1:01:42] Played a long game.

[1:01:44] So yeah, we-

[1:01:45] Played a long game.

[1:01:46] It's already the eighth chapter of the series, Dan.

[1:01:48] This is already a long game.

[1:01:50] Was this movie totally scarifying?

[1:01:55] Was it totally snorifying?

[1:01:57] Or was it frighteningly funny?

[1:01:59] Interpret that how you will.

[1:02:02] I hate these categories.

[1:02:03] I feel like every movie we do doesn't fall in them.

[1:02:06] I'm gonna say like all Friday the 13th movies, this is good,

[1:02:10] but it's a bit, it's frighteningly funny, I think.

[1:02:14] It's not one of the stronger entries in the series,

[1:02:16] but you know, I enjoyed it, I like it.

[1:02:19] Yeah, I mean, it's not actually,

[1:02:21] it's not totally scarifying,

[1:02:25] but I wasn't necessarily laughing at it.

[1:02:27] It's just that for me, Friday the 13th movies,

[1:02:31] even though I don't particularly like any individual ones

[1:02:35] all that much, I like them in the aggregate as like a thing.

[1:02:40] And this is not the worst of them.

[1:02:42] There are worse, I think, so-

[1:02:44] What's the worst one?

[1:02:44] What's the worst one, Dan?

[1:02:47] I don't like that one where he's not, it's not Jason.

[1:02:52] The first one?

[1:02:53] Far Five?

[1:02:54] Wait, but also that one's really dirty,

[1:02:56] so I kind of like that part of it, right?

[1:02:57] That one's pretty dirty, yeah.

[1:02:59] Yeah.

[1:03:01] You like everything except the slasher ones.

[1:03:04] I don't remember making part three, Dan.

[1:03:05] I know the remake is kind of a soulless one.

[1:03:08] Yeah, you're right.

[1:03:09] I saw it in 3D and I enjoyed it.

[1:03:11] I think that you can see it's just normal style.

[1:03:14] I don't know.

[1:03:15] You didn't understand why Jason was using the-

[1:03:15] The yo-yo coming in the screen, yeah.

[1:03:17] I was gonna say, why Jason stopped

[1:03:18] to use a ping pong paddle for 10 minutes.

[1:03:21] Anyway, I, you know, I kind of liked it.

[1:03:24] Elliot?

[1:03:26] I would call it, I'm mostly, I don't know,

[1:03:29] it's like, I feel like there's a number

[1:03:31] of different movies going on in this movie.

[1:03:33] Most of it is snorifying to me.

[1:03:35] Some of it is funny.

[1:03:38] That one scene, the dance room kill,

[1:03:42] I think is genuinely scary and well put together.

[1:03:45] And I wish the movie had been like that.

[1:03:46] But to be honest, and I think if the movie

[1:03:48] was not selling itself as Jason Takes Manhattan,

[1:03:51] it would feel like a better scary movie

[1:03:53] because them showing up, them actually getting to New York

[1:03:55] would be a twist akin to the end of Dial of Destiny

[1:04:00] where I was like, well, this is not the place

[1:04:02] I expected this Indiana Jones movie to go to.

[1:04:04] Right, yeah.

[1:04:05] I think it's a, but I think it's so hard for me

[1:04:09] to separate it from the idea in my head

[1:04:11] of what this should be.

[1:04:13] And what it should be is the Maniac of New York

[1:04:15] from Aftershock Comics.

[1:04:16] And so I feel like in a weird way,

[1:04:18] I have defeated this film.

[1:04:20] And so it's hard for me to judge it.

[1:04:22] That's fair.

[1:04:23] As I'm standing atop it with my foot on its neck,

[1:04:25] daring it to try to get up so I can knock it down again.

[1:04:28] I feel like it's unfair for me to judge it.

[1:04:29] But it's mostly, I feel like mostly boring to me,

[1:04:32] but some of it's funny and some of it could be scary.

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[1:08:33] We're recording this episode.

[1:08:35] Just a few days after our most recent Flop TV episode,

[1:08:38] Hot Dog and Hamburger, it was a lot of fun.

[1:08:40] It was great.

[1:08:42] Now, and you're listening to it,

[1:08:43] it's a couple weeks later,

[1:08:45] but you can still watch that episode if you missed it.

[1:08:47] How is that possible?

[1:08:48] Do I have to go back in time?

[1:08:49] Do I have to go back in time?

[1:08:51] No, you don't have to.

[1:08:52] And you don't have to listen to Huey Lewis, ever.

[1:08:54] You don't have to do that.

[1:08:56] No one can make you do that.

[1:08:57] Can I, though, if I want to?

[1:08:59] I guess so.

[1:09:00] If you really desire it,

[1:09:01] then if you want to explore the boundary

[1:09:03] between pleasure and pain,

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[1:09:28] We've been hearing great stuff from audiences.

[1:09:30] We've been having a lot of fun doing them,

[1:09:31] and we hope you enjoy it, too.

[1:09:33] And I also want to mention, as I did last episode,

[1:09:36] I had a comic book out from Dynamite Comics.

[1:09:39] It's called Hades.

[1:09:40] It is a miniseries starring Hades,

[1:09:42] the villain from Disney's Hercules,

[1:09:44] and it's a heist story.

[1:09:46] He's trying to steal the Golden Fleece.

[1:09:47] He assembles a team of Greek mythological characters,

[1:09:49] and then he's up against

[1:09:50] other Greek mythological characters.

[1:09:52] It's super fun and funny.

[1:09:53] It's a fun adventure.

[1:09:54] The first two issues are out.

[1:09:55] Issue number three comes out October 25th,

[1:09:58] which is the...

[1:10:00] around the time this episode comes out.

[1:10:02] So, go to your local comic book store

[1:10:04] and ask them for Hades from Dynamite Comics

[1:10:06] written by me, Ellie Kaelin, from the Flop House.

[1:10:11] His voice gets very high, sometimes, like this.

[1:10:16] Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

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[1:10:28] This week for Co-Optober, we'll be highlighting

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[1:10:32] The past few years have been challenging

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[1:10:37] We at MaxFun believe that co-ops are better suited

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[1:10:53] and head to our YouTube channel, Friday, October 20th,

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[1:11:18] All right, class, tomorrow's exam

[1:11:19] will cover the science of perfect pitch,

[1:11:21] the history of pride flags, and speed-running video games.

[1:11:25] Any questions?

[1:11:26] Ah, yes, you in the back.

[1:11:27] Uh, what is this?

[1:11:29] It's the podcast, Let's Learn Everything.

[1:11:32] Where we learn about science and a bit of everything else.

[1:11:35] My name's Tom, I study cognitive and computer science,

[1:11:37] but I'll also be your teacher for intermediate emojis.

[1:11:40] My name's Caroline, and I did my master's

[1:11:42] in biodiversity conservation, and I'll be teaching you

[1:11:44] intro to things the British Museum stole.

[1:11:46] My name's Ella, I did a PhD in stem cell biology,

[1:11:49] so, obviously, I'll be teaching you the history of fan fiction.

[1:11:52] Class meets every other Thursday on Maximum Fun.

[1:11:55] So, do I still get credit for this?

[1:11:57] No.

[1:11:59] Obviously not.

[1:12:00] No.

[1:12:01] It's a podcast.

[1:12:03] OK, why don't we put that behind us,

[1:12:08] and we'll talk letters from listeners.

[1:12:12] We get some letters from listeners like you,

[1:12:15] and we like to answer them here on the Flophouse.

[1:12:18] This first letter is from Sean, last name Spookily Withheld.

[1:12:24] Ooh, how do you withhold something spookily?

[1:12:27] Like, you go like, oh, you can't have it.

[1:12:29] Maybe a ghost did it.

[1:12:33] Happy Shocktober, in honor of the spooky season

[1:12:35] and my need to reduce the movies in my watch list,

[1:12:38] I've been binging the Psycho sequels with my boyfriend,

[1:12:41] having only learned about them from a friend of mine last year.

[1:12:44] Your mileage may vary, but I, for one,

[1:12:46] absolutely adore the second and third,

[1:12:48] not only because it has more characters, more twists and turns,

[1:12:51] but because Anthony Perkins seemed to really be working

[1:12:54] through his issues with his own mother in these films.

[1:12:57] So much so, he took the reins on three

[1:13:00] and didn't cop out for the happy ending

[1:13:02] the original screenwriter had in mind for Norman,

[1:13:04] choosing instead a more authentic direction.

[1:13:07] My hot take?

[1:13:09] The sequels are more interesting than the original Psycho.

[1:13:11] A movie I like?

[1:13:12] That's very hot.

[1:13:13] I can't go that far, but I do like those.

[1:13:14] That's an incredibly hot take.

[1:13:15] I do like two or three.

[1:13:17] I would almost say maybe you could say more interesting,

[1:13:20] but I can't say as good.

[1:13:22] I don't know.

[1:13:23] It depends on your mileage, but...

[1:13:25] Sean keeps on.

[1:13:26] We also recently watched the Scanners sequel and had a blast.

[1:13:29] More gore, more wild choices, and a gritty, grubby quality

[1:13:34] that VHS can truly capture.

[1:13:36] We have an extensive VHS collection,

[1:13:39] though I will always prefer Cronenberg's work.

[1:13:40] The preferred format.

[1:13:44] Well, for certain things, it adds a little something.

[1:13:46] Yeah.

[1:13:48] I will always prefer Cronenberg's work and the original more.

[1:13:51] I was surprised I don't hate this movie.

[1:13:55] My questions for y'all are...

[1:13:57] That was the name of Roger Ebert's collection of reviews, right?

[1:14:00] I was surprised I don't hate, hate, hate, hate, hate this movie.

[1:14:03] Yeah.

[1:14:04] I mean, with Roger, he probably should have been that surprised.

[1:14:06] He tended to like things.

[1:14:07] He did mostly tend to like things.

[1:14:10] My questions for y'all are,

[1:14:12] are there any sequels or legacy sequels, prequels

[1:14:15] that you enjoy as much, if not more than the original?

[1:14:18] And can you recall a time a movie meant more to you

[1:14:22] because of knowledge and or context about the filmmaker?

[1:14:25] Keep flopping in the free world, Sean.

[1:14:29] I got to think about the second part of that,

[1:14:30] which I think is actually like

[1:14:32] one of the more interesting parts of the question.

[1:14:34] But for the first part, legacy sequel-wise,

[1:14:38] I've never been much of a Blade Runner guy.

[1:14:39] I think it's beautiful.

[1:14:41] I see all the stuff that's like iconic about it

[1:14:46] that has been taken by other movies.

[1:14:50] And I think Rutger Hauer is great in it.

[1:14:52] And there's some other great supporting performances,

[1:14:55] but I find it a little inert as a narrative.

[1:14:58] But I remember really enjoying the Dini,

[1:15:02] villain of Blade Runner, what, 2046?

[1:15:06] Like there's the obvious one,

[1:15:09] the elephant in the room, Mad Max Fury Road.

[1:15:12] Ah, yeah.

[1:15:13] Just as, yeah, it's great.

[1:15:14] It's great.

[1:15:15] It's the rare one where you're like,

[1:15:17] oh, I feel like the thing I thought he achieved

[1:15:20] in the previous movies in the series,

[1:15:22] he has finally achieved.

[1:15:23] Like he finally got there

[1:15:24] and I didn't even know he wasn't there yet.

[1:15:26] I feel like the tough thing, I don't know about you guys,

[1:15:28] but I feel like the tough thing with a lot of sequels

[1:15:30] is if I was introduced to the movies

[1:15:34] after a bunch of sequels had already come out,

[1:15:36] I'm kind of like, I'm softer on certain sequels

[1:15:40] because they were the first movie I was exposed to.

[1:15:43] So like, I like, you know, Police Academy too,

[1:15:48] just as much as Police Academy.

[1:15:50] No, but I mean, does that make, no, I'm just joking.

[1:15:53] I mean, but do you understand like, for instance,

[1:15:58] you know, like Empire Strikes Back,

[1:15:59] I like as much, if not more than A New Hope.

[1:16:02] So I would say the, I guess that's sequels

[1:16:05] or legacy sequels.

[1:16:06] When I was thinking about this,

[1:16:07] I was really only thinking about legacy ones

[1:16:09] as opposed to direct sequels.

[1:16:10] Because it's like, there's ones like,

[1:16:12] I love Bride of Frankenstein more than Frankenstein.

[1:16:14] As much as I love Gremlins,

[1:16:15] Gremlins 2 is like a special movie to me

[1:16:18] in a way that Gremlins isn't the same way.

[1:16:20] But there are a number of them where it feels like it's a,

[1:16:24] I feel like the sequel is like,

[1:16:27] if it's the same guiding force

[1:16:28] and they're like trying a new thing,

[1:16:30] it can be really exciting.

[1:16:32] But I was thinking about like,

[1:16:35] when there's a long time between,

[1:16:36] and I think like, I think I like Creed

[1:16:39] more than I like Rocky.

[1:16:40] I think it benefits a lot from the history that's in it.

[1:16:46] And also I find Rocky to be kind of like,

[1:16:51] in some ways it's kind of like a,

[1:16:54] I don't know, like a stumbly movie.

[1:16:55] It's kind of wandering around a little bit

[1:16:57] in that 70s way.

[1:16:59] And I feel like Stallone is a better actor

[1:17:02] at this point in his career.

[1:17:03] Now than he was then, yes.

[1:17:04] And I would argue Ryan Coogler,

[1:17:07] probably a better director than Stallone directed.

[1:17:11] No, Stallone didn't direct.

[1:17:11] Not the first one.

[1:17:12] Stallone, it didn't direct.

[1:17:13] John G. Abelson.

[1:17:15] Yeah.

[1:17:15] Or Abelson, I don't know.

[1:17:16] And there's something about,

[1:17:19] maybe it's just that it speaks to me

[1:17:20] where there's something about the story

[1:17:21] about a son trying to deal with a relationship

[1:17:25] that he had or didn't have with his father

[1:17:27] that means more to me than like a guy who's a loser

[1:17:29] and wants to stop being a loser.

[1:17:33] But the other one that comes to mind for me

[1:17:34] is how much I loved Shin Godzilla.

[1:17:37] And I don't know if I like it more than the original

[1:17:41] or enjoy it more than the original,

[1:17:43] but I remember seeing it and I was like,

[1:17:44] oh, I'm feeling the same thing that I felt

[1:17:46] when I finally got to see the original Godzilla

[1:17:49] in its uncut Japanese form.

[1:17:53] Yeah.

[1:17:55] I've been thinking about the second part of the question.

[1:17:57] Theme-wise, this is much harder for me.

[1:18:00] I'm sure that there's something out there,

[1:18:02] but I do, what occurred to me were cases

[1:18:06] where I'm more forgiving of a movie

[1:18:07] because I know of what it took to make it.

[1:18:10] Like there's so many later career Orson Welles movies

[1:18:14] where you're like, well, this is not great,

[1:18:17] but to know like all of the extraordinary problems

[1:18:23] he was dealing with and how he had to cobble together stuff

[1:18:26] and trick stuff.

[1:18:28] Like Children of Paradise is an amazing movie,

[1:18:31] but when you know that like they were making this movie

[1:18:32] in France on a very big scale during the occupation,

[1:18:35] like during World War II and how difficult it was

[1:18:37] just to like live during that time,

[1:18:39] you're like, this is astounding.

[1:18:40] Like, I can't believe this movie exists, you know?

[1:18:42] Yeah.

[1:18:43] But you're saying, Dan, that the-

[1:18:44] Oh, no, I mean, that was basically,

[1:18:47] you know, there's so many sort of tricks

[1:18:49] that are used to make those movies more impressive

[1:18:53] than they would have been in far lesser hands

[1:18:56] that it helps forgive the genuine roughness

[1:18:59] that also is still there.

[1:19:01] Well, and that's, I'm sorry, what did you say, Stu?

[1:19:03] I was gonna say, or like something like Defy Bloods

[1:19:05] where we only learned after it was released

[1:19:09] that Chadwick Boseman was, you know, dying of cancer.

[1:19:13] And it makes the movie so much more poignant.

[1:19:16] Yeah, this is not quite as poignant as that,

[1:19:19] but like Peter Jackson's early movies,

[1:19:21] I find that are more meaningful to me

[1:19:23] knowing that the passion that he put into it

[1:19:25] and the persistence where it was like,

[1:19:26] yeah, I'll spend every weekend for years

[1:19:28] working on this movie and making it home.

[1:19:30] And so something that is kind of like a fun,

[1:19:33] you know, fun, energetic splatterfest becomes like,

[1:19:37] oh, this is someone who loves making movies so much

[1:19:39] that they basically made it their life and their time.

[1:19:43] You know, but also the, I mentioned during our last

[1:19:47] Flophouse, or during our last Flop TV,

[1:19:50] I made the somewhat bold statement

[1:19:56] that Shannon Tweed is no Marlena Dietrich.

[1:20:00] on a limb when I said that. And I was always a fan of Marlene Dietrich's work. But when I learned

[1:20:04] about her life and how she essentially cut herself off from her home country during World War II,

[1:20:10] but she was like, Germany is bad right now. Like, Germany is wrong. I am now going to throw myself

[1:20:16] into the anti-Nazi war effort, which there are many people who would not be able to,

[1:20:22] I think, make that decision. And so seeing her movies from the late 30s and then into the 40s,

[1:20:27] and knowing that she had made this abrupt kind of cut in her life in order to stand on those

[1:20:34] principles makes me appreciate those movies more in a certain way. Just by making those movies,

[1:20:42] she's taking a certain kind of stand. That's exciting about it.

[1:20:47] Good question. There's another letter. I almost forgot. It's from Peter, last name withheld.

[1:20:52] Peter Jackson. Yeah. Hi, Peaches. I hear you talking about my movies. I can't do it. I can't

[1:20:59] do the accent. I can't do it right. Oh, no. Wow. We got Lobo Morunga in here.

[1:21:05] Hey, Peaches. I've been meaning to ask and was reminded because we're at Ghouli's episode for

[1:21:09] a book recommendation. I love The Muppets and was wondering if you'd be able to recommend

[1:21:12] any biographies of Jim Henson or behind the scenes or histories of The Muppets books.

[1:21:17] I've come across a few articles here and there about, say, the making of The Muppet Christmas

[1:21:21] Carol, but I don't know of the books. Maybe I haven't been looking. Any chance you have

[1:21:25] recommendations? I have. Stu, this is right up your alley. Why don't you? Yeah, well,

[1:21:30] I have a puppet. That's the puppet guy. You're like a puppet master. The movie is about is about

[1:21:40] Jim Henson, right? Yeah. Oh, oh, towering above, I would say, is Jim Henson by Brian J. Jones,

[1:21:49] which is a long biography of the man. And it is really, really good. I was I tore through it and

[1:22:00] I every once in a while I'm like, I really got to read that again. It was so good. I would also

[1:22:06] recommend Imagination Illustrated, which is like art that was taken from Jim Henson's journal.

[1:22:14] And of Muppets and Men by Christopher Finch, which is about the making of The Muppet Show.

[1:22:19] I think it's out of print, but you could probably track it down at your local library.

[1:22:25] Sorry for for hogging that one. I just, you know, had, you know, I'm like, I'll write down

[1:22:31] some some books. I mean, that is a layup for a that's a layup Dan McCoy question right there.

[1:22:37] Yeah, yeah. I'd be like asking, like being like, hey, Peaches, tell me about Warhammer stuff.

[1:22:43] I didn't mention this one, but do you have any? Because I know that you're also a big fan.

[1:22:47] No, I know that you have none that you haven't mentioned already.

[1:22:50] OK, I think there's a there's a I feel like it's hard because with Muppet stuff,

[1:22:56] there's like coffee table book type thing. Yeah, but they don't really get you into the

[1:23:01] into this into the the depths of it the way that you want. Yeah, the things there's also a book

[1:23:08] called The Muppet Show book, which is just like basically the first season of the show,

[1:23:13] like illustrated out, which is like it's like a comic book version of the of the episodes.

[1:23:18] Kind of. Yeah, I'm amazed that they put so much work into it because it's so many pictures just

[1:23:24] illustrating painstakingly like bits from the episodes. But it makes sense because storyboards

[1:23:30] are. No, it's like if you did a children's picture book that was verbatim episodes of the Muppets.

[1:23:38] Yeah. But it's a but it's a you know, that book came out when like you couldn't get the Muppet

[1:23:43] show on DVD or something like that. You know, that was the same way that comic book adaptations of

[1:23:49] movies used to serve a real purpose because you could not go see that movie again. You know,

[1:23:54] because your mom wouldn't take you to Cool World and you needed to see what Hollywood do.

[1:24:00] So you you would buy the you see it by the DC adaptation of Cool World, I guess. Yeah.

[1:24:05] Where Green Lantern shows up in the middle.

[1:24:08] Let's round this episode out with some recommendations of, you know, even if we're

[1:24:14] fond of Jason Takes Manhattan, maybe there's better movies out there.

[1:24:18] I don't think so. Probably not. Probably not.

[1:24:23] I did a rewatch of Alien Resurrection, a movie that I liked a lot better now than I mean,

[1:24:31] I liked it OK at the time. But I think, you know. The problem with sequels is you're always

[1:24:38] chasing that first high and like there is not going to be another alien or or another aliens

[1:24:46] like in in my life. So Alien Resurrection, I think, is a movie that doesn't necessarily

[1:24:54] work so great as an alien movie per se, like it's so wildly different in tone that that maybe

[1:25:01] off-putting if you like these other things, but if you sort of just make a point of taking it on

[1:25:06] its own terms, it's so cool and weird and it has so many like gloopy grotesqueries.

[1:25:13] It has like a lot of I found on rewatch genuine, like emotional hefts and themes that I wasn't

[1:25:21] expected. Like I kind of just zipped over them the first time and also a lot more

[1:25:28] vibes between Winona Ryder and Sigourney Weaver that I remembered from watching it when I was

[1:25:33] younger and maybe didn't understand such things as well. But it was a lot of fun to revisit that.

[1:25:39] So that's my recommendation. I think it's a good recommendation. I mean,

[1:25:42] I like that movie when I saw it in the theaters and I would never understand why people were

[1:25:46] upset it wasn't alien to alien enough. Yeah, I could never quite understand how quickly

[1:25:51] perception formed around like this is dumb. She plays basketball like there's a lot of things

[1:25:55] that they're like funny fun like crazy things, you know, yeah, like that's whole scene where

[1:25:59] the aliens are swimming and they're like, oh, their tails are really good at moving in the

[1:26:02] water. Like it's there's a lot of crazy stuff in it. I feel like that's one thing that I like about

[1:26:07] the alien franchise outside of the alien versus predators is how like every one of those movies

[1:26:14] is so different and weird. Like I kind of don't like yeah, you're not going to get what you expect

[1:26:19] because they're all different, dude. Yeah, no, it's it's an it's like an

[1:26:24] auteur series in a way that other ones aren't. I mean, I'm including Prometheus in here.

[1:26:30] I'm yeah, actually, I've never seen Alien Covenant. So I should probably watch that.

[1:26:34] It's fine. I started watching it and I found it. I was just kind of bored by it,

[1:26:39] but I never finished it. Yeah, I think it's you know, it's him being like, okay,

[1:26:44] you're mad at me for making Prometheus here. Here's your goddamn alien movie.

[1:26:48] Like it's still got a little bit of Prometheus sprinkled in it, but it feels like him retreating

[1:26:54] to something he thinks that people want in a way that bugged me. I'll check it out, though.

[1:27:00] Whatever. I'm going to recommend a horror movie from earlier this year, late last year. I don't

[1:27:06] remember. It's a horror comedy called The Blackening. It is I guess it airs more on the

[1:27:12] side of a comedy than horror movie, but it's like part home invasion movie. And it's about a group

[1:27:18] of college friends who reunite for a Juneteenth party at an Airbnb and things go badly. Or well,

[1:27:27] it depends on how you look at it. And it's really funny. It features a performance by

[1:27:33] former co-worker of Dan's, X Mayo, who is great. Yeah, I thought it was a lot of fun.

[1:27:39] Um, and it, uh, yeah, it was like nice and silly and there were some decent like horror bits,

[1:27:46] but, uh, yeah, it was a good time of that quick. I want to say I went to see the George Lucas talk

[1:27:53] show at the bell house in Brooklyn last night. Uh, and X Mayo mentioned before was the guest,

[1:28:01] you know, like I was like, oh, I, you know, I'll see Griffin do a show and I'll see X Mayo and

[1:28:06] it'll be like, she like took over the show in the most hilarious way. And like, she does not know

[1:28:13] that much at all about Star Wars and, but was, was aggressive about it in a hugely funny way.

[1:28:19] Like, not like this is stupid, but like, she's like, I'm going to learn about everything tonight.

[1:28:24] And it was, I think those things are archived online. So if you can check it out somewhere,

[1:28:29] I think at lucasfilm.org. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On the Wikipedia.

[1:28:37] Uh, I am going to, I had two movies I was choosing between for recommending today.

[1:28:41] One of them was a horror movie and one was not, and I'm going to go with the

[1:28:44] horror movie because it's October, uh, for us, it's known horror scares tober.

[1:28:52] Uh, this is a movie that I don't know why it took me this long to watch it. I remember seeing the

[1:28:56] trailers when it first came out. I wanted to see it. I never got around to it, but I finally did.

[1:28:59] And that's ravenous starring Guy Pearce and Robert Carlyle. Uh, and it is for anyone not familiar.

[1:29:05] It is a period film. It's set in, uh, the 18, uh, the Wikipedia says the.

[1:29:13] It actually doesn't even like this right after the Mexican American war. So it must be the 1850s,

[1:29:16] you know, and Guy Pearce is a, uh, someone who was traumatized by his experience in the war,

[1:29:22] uh, and has been sent to a frontier, uh, fort, but there's not a lot of people there.

[1:29:27] It's really a place, a dull place where it's mostly winter. And then a man stumbles in Robert

[1:29:32] Carlyle saying that he has escaped from a cannibal. And he, it turns out as the thing

[1:29:37] goes on that you assume Robert Carlyle is in this movie. He's probably the bad guy. Yes, of course.

[1:29:41] Uh, and it's a, it's a fun kind of somewhat gory, uh, kind of cannibal vampire-ish movie.

[1:29:50] And it's just, it was, I just thought it was super fun. And it was, uh, a movie that does

[1:29:54] not take its period, uh, setting too seriously, but it does have some.

[1:30:00] to say about that period.

[1:30:01] Like it is trying to make a connection

[1:30:03] between cannibal bloodshed and this constant appetite

[1:30:08] for human flesh and America's push westward

[1:30:11] and what it did to the people in the way.

[1:30:14] And it was, I don't know, but I also enjoyed it

[1:30:16] just as kind of like a relative,

[1:30:20] this is a weird thing to say about it,

[1:30:21] but a relatively kind of like light horror movie

[1:30:24] that it's not too, for a movie about cannibalism,

[1:30:26] it's not super grim and has fun

[1:30:29] and eventually gets a little too action-y.

[1:30:31] But it's fun to see these characters

[1:30:35] chewing the scenery and each other.

[1:30:37] Whoa, bit of a campy rump.

[1:30:40] Mm-hmm, and the score is really good.

[1:30:42] Yeah, they camp a lot.

[1:30:43] So that's Ravenous, and I'm looking at the poster

[1:30:45] for it now, which is maybe the worst movie poster

[1:30:47] I've ever seen in my life.

[1:30:49] So it's not a surprise to me

[1:30:50] that it's not a hugely successful movie.

[1:30:51] I don't know, most of Marvel movies

[1:30:52] have something to say about it.

[1:30:53] So this is, it says, Ravenous says,

[1:30:55] you are who you eat, and it's just a big

[1:30:57] kind of blurry picture of a mouth.

[1:30:58] It's very 90s.

[1:31:00] It's a very 90s poster.

[1:31:01] Whoa, that sounds great, actually.

[1:31:02] And it tells you nothing about the movie.

[1:31:04] It doesn't show you who's in it,

[1:31:05] whereas a Marvel poster, it shows you

[1:31:07] every single person in the movie,

[1:31:09] even the ones that you're not supposed to know

[1:31:10] are in the movie yet, and lists all of their names

[1:31:12] almost like the index of a book

[1:31:14] in order of influence on the studio, you know?

[1:31:19] Yeah, Elliot, I would say you undersold

[1:31:20] how bad this poster is,

[1:31:22] because it has this CGI cloud background

[1:31:27] that looks like a magic eye painting.

[1:31:30] It feels like they're going really hard

[1:31:32] for kind of like a Nine Inch Nails visual aesthetic,

[1:31:34] in a way, and it's a terrible poster.

[1:31:37] But it's a real fun movie, so that's Ravenous.

[1:31:40] Don't get confused with Grivenous,

[1:31:42] which is a food that's not healthy for you,

[1:31:45] much like being cannibal, but you gotta try it.

[1:31:47] That's the thing.

[1:31:48] Oh, wow, that's a terrible poster.

[1:31:52] Elliot laid a time bomb that went off

[1:31:55] at different times for both of us,

[1:31:56] but that's not the one I remember.

[1:31:58] I remember the one that looks like a knife edge

[1:32:01] in Guy Pearce and Robert Carlyle.

[1:32:04] Yeah, I remember that one, too.

[1:32:06] It was better.

[1:32:06] Let me look that one up.

[1:32:07] Let me see if I can find that one.

[1:32:08] I mean, it's not that good, either,

[1:32:09] but at least it's-

[1:32:10] No, of course not.

[1:32:11] It's not like what happens if you go to fear.com.

[1:32:15] No, that one is a lackluster poster,

[1:32:19] but at least it shows you the faces

[1:32:20] of the people who are in it.

[1:32:21] Yeah, well, that's another Shocktober for the books.

[1:32:25] Shocktober 2023, 80 style.

[1:32:29] Who knows?

[1:32:30] We may do more flashback months in the future,

[1:32:33] but, well, I mean, actually, the next movie

[1:32:36] is gonna be a flashback,

[1:32:37] but not because we're doing it for strike reasons anymore,

[1:32:40] but because our special guest asked for it.

[1:32:44] Requested, yeah.

[1:32:45] Do you wanna say anything about that, Elliot?

[1:32:46] Why don't you just reveal the info?

[1:32:49] That's right.

[1:32:50] We will, of course, have a mini after this episode,

[1:32:52] but our next full episode will feature

[1:32:54] special guest star, special effects,

[1:32:56] legend in the making, Todd Vizzieri,

[1:32:58] and he has chosen Waterworld.

[1:33:00] That's right.

[1:33:01] Kevin's Gate, Fishtar, right?

[1:33:05] That's what they also called it.

[1:33:06] Fishtar, yeah.

[1:33:07] The movie that was one of those movies

[1:33:09] that critics hated right away

[1:33:11] because it cost a lot of money,

[1:33:12] and he's gonna talk to us about the special effects in it,

[1:33:15] and that's a movie that I haven't seen since it came out.

[1:33:17] I remember seeing it and thinking it was okay,

[1:33:19] and so I'm curious whether I'm gonna like it

[1:33:21] or even maybe like it more as a throwback,

[1:33:24] and then that, of course, was followed by The Postman,

[1:33:27] so maybe the episode after that,

[1:33:28] should we do The Postman?

[1:33:29] I've never seen it.

[1:33:30] No, after that, I think Stewart will kill us

[1:33:31] if we don't finally do Mafia Mama,

[1:33:32] which he's been salivating for.

[1:33:34] Hey!

[1:33:36] And I feel like-

[1:33:37] Mafia Mama!

[1:33:38] And I've been getting a lot of demand

[1:33:39] from the fans for The Flash,

[1:33:41] so we'll probably have to do that at some point

[1:33:42] now that the strike is over.

[1:33:43] Yeah, so.

[1:33:44] Mafia Mama.

[1:33:47] Mama Mia.

[1:33:48] Anyway.

[1:33:49] Mama.

[1:33:49] That's all.

[1:33:50] That's all.

[1:33:51] It's good because we didn't get enough

[1:33:52] New York accent in this one.

[1:33:53] We gotta go after that one.

[1:33:55] That's all in the future,

[1:33:57] but for this episode, I would like to thank our network,

[1:34:01] Maximum Fun.

[1:34:02] Go to MaximumFun.org to check out

[1:34:04] other great shows on the network.

[1:34:06] I would like to thank our producer, Alex Smith,

[1:34:09] and I would like to think about him, too.

[1:34:11] I'd like to think he's a friend.

[1:34:13] Think about thanking him and thank about thanking him.

[1:34:16] Thank you, Alex, for producing our show.

[1:34:19] You can find his work online under HowlDotty,

[1:34:24] but for now, for The Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:34:27] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:34:28] And I'm Ellie Kalin.

[1:34:30] Bye.

[1:34:31] Hey, I'm Jason over here.

[1:34:34] Ha ha ha ha ha.

[1:34:39] For Kill About It.

[1:34:40] Ha ha ha ha.

[1:34:41] Hey, for Kill About It.

[1:34:45] Oh!

[1:34:47] Ha ha ha ha.

[1:34:49] Jason takes Trenton.

[1:34:50] Motto!

[1:34:51] Ha ha ha ha.

[1:34:54] We meant to, oh wait, well, this is our mistake.

[1:34:56] We thought we were making Jason Takes Manhattan,

[1:34:57] and we're making Jason Takes Manhasset.

[1:34:59] Oh, I'm so sorry.

[1:35:00] Yeah, yeah.

[1:35:02] I mean, it's shot in Canada, so it could very well be,

[1:35:04] hey, I'm killing over here.

[1:35:06] Oh, sorry, sorry, I killed you, sorry.

[1:35:10] Okay.

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Ep. #407 - Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

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