Ep. #407 - Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

Dan McCoy

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Friday the 13th, part eight.

[0:05] Jason takes Manhattan.

Stuart Wellington

[0:07] Takes it all the way to Vancouver, Canada.

[0:30] Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

Elliott Kalan

[0:39] Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:41] I'm Elliot Kalin. I can't wait to tell you later in the show about our upcoming Flop TV episodes.

[0:46] And right now, I want to thank everybody who showed up to our Vidiotz show, because this episode is airing after those shows.

[0:52] We're recording it before those shows. I'm sure they went amazing, and everybody loved it.

[0:56] We probably got carried out on people's shoulders because they were so excited.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00] There was that crazy part where Dan was doing a dance, and then his pants ripped, and his dong flopped out like Lenny Kravitz.

[1:06] And you're like, whoa!

Elliott Kalan

[1:10] Yep.

[1:10] Had to be there!

[1:12] You have to be there.

Dan McCoy

[1:15] Yeah, it'll never happen again.

[1:16] I've got those double-stitched pants, Mr. Hutsucker.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19] Dan, he's just so nice. I gave him the double-stitched pants anyway.

Dan McCoy

[1:26] On this podcast, we watch a bad movie, and then we talk about it.

[1:30] We're in the midst of Shocktober, a Shocktober 80s flashback month.

[1:36] Yep.

[1:36] And I didn't think it would be that hard to sell for Elliot and Stuart to do Jason Takes Manhattan, as I know that Stuart, of course, is a big Friday head.

[1:50] And Friday the 13th head.

[1:52] I mean, he might like Friday.

[1:53] He maybe loves the movie Friday also.

[1:55] I don't know.

[1:55] Or the restaurant.

Stuart Wellington

[1:56] Freaky Friday, TGI.

Dan McCoy

[1:59] All Fridays.

[2:00] Or, and I knew that Elliot, of course, famously.

[2:05] I'm not familiar with it.

[2:07] Was inspired by his disappointment over this film to write Maniac of New York, in part.

[2:13] In part, you had other ideas, of course.

Elliott Kalan

[2:15] To create and write the award not nominated for comic book series, Maniac of New York, available in fine bookstores now.

Stuart Wellington

[2:22] It's too bad.

[2:23] Though it is, like, watching this again, having, you know...

[2:26] I guess this is the first time that I've watched this movie since reading Maniac of New York, that I'm like, oh, yeah, Maniac of New York is so much better than this.

Elliott Kalan

[2:33] Oh, thank you very much.

[2:34] I had a simple experience while I was watching it, because I hadn't watched it again in a long time.

[2:38] And I was like, yeah, I did do a better job in this movie.

[2:41] But apparently the writer of the film did want to do more of the same kind of stuff that I do in Maniac of New York in terms of using New York's iconic locations.

[2:50] But they did not have the budget.

[2:51] Whereas the great thing about comics, all it costs is pen and paper and ink and André Moody, my wonderful artist's wrists.

[2:58] That's all it takes.

Dan McCoy

[2:59] Well, also it was because they had two separate concepts for this, which was Jason on a boat and Jason in Manhattan.

[3:06] And they decided to smash them together, in part because, as you say, it saves money.

[3:10] But I think if they had just committed to the idea of Jason being a big city, like...

Elliott Kalan

[3:16] Just a lot of him looking up at the buildings going, wow, his suitcase gets stolen immediately.

Dan McCoy

[3:21] Well, I had this thought while watching it.

[3:24] You know, I'm not going to tip my hand too far, but I was like, I know this is one of the least likes in the series.

[3:31] You know, as of Friday the 13th movie, though, I'm not hating it.

[3:35] And I think that part of me not hating it is I know by this point it's not going to fulfill its title.

[3:40] Yes.

[3:40] And this movie may have been more successful if it was just called Jason on a Boat, which is not a terrible idea for a Friday the 13th movie.

Elliott Kalan

[3:48] If it was called like Friday the 13th Part 8 Dead Tide or something like that.

[3:52] And then, surprise twist, he ends up in New York at the end for a little bit.

[3:57] That'd be great.

[3:58] It instantly is a better movie.

[4:00] Yeah.

[4:00] Because it doesn't live up to the promise that it's not making.

[4:03] You know, if it's not making that promise, then, yeah, I think people would be a lot more sympathetic towards it.

[4:08] But they really push the hell out.

[4:10] I remember when this movie was coming out, just the promotions for it.

[4:13] They really push the hell out of the idea that Jason is in New York now.

[4:16] And it's called Jason takes Manhattan.

[4:18] He's hanging over the skyline, ready to chop some buildings down with his big knife.

Stuart Wellington

[4:23] It's a great poster.

[4:24] Do you think it could have been Friday the 13th Part 8, like Death on the Hudson or Death on the Bloodson River?

[4:36] It could have been.

Dan McCoy

[4:37] Bloodson still sounds more like a name than it does blood to me.

[4:40] Yeah, it does.

Stuart Wellington

[4:42] But like what if on the poster the blood part was written in blood?

[4:47] Okay, cool, cool.

[4:49] But not the sun part.

[4:51] No, the sun would be spelled S-O-N.

[4:53] Or like S-U-N and it would be a sun symbol.

[4:57] Yeah, the blood sun.

Dan McCoy

[4:58] That doesn't.

[5:00] That's a different spelling.

[5:01] Just like the Hudson River.

Elliott Kalan

[5:02] Yeah, now that you're bringing it up, now I want to see a movie where it's about the miracle on the Hudson,

[5:07] except it's because Jason was on the plane and Sully has to, that's why he has to land the plane.

[5:12] And Sully Sullenberger and Jason are fighting each other on the wing of the plane that has landed in the Hudson River.

Stuart Wellington

[5:17] And if he can, if he can, if Sully can save all those souls while there's a Jason on board,

[5:21] you got to name a fucking street after that guy.

Dan McCoy

[5:24] I want to say that your blood font bloodsyn solution works beautifully if you're seeing it in print.

[5:33] Now, does blood drip off the sound of the words bloodsyn if someone's just saying, wow, if we can invent that technology.

Elliott Kalan

[5:43] It's some sort of synesthesia where you get the idea of dripping blood from the sound of the word.

[5:47] Death on the bloodsyn, yeah.

[5:49] I would say I think you'll reach some market penetration problems with the fact that Manhattan is a globally known thing,

[5:56] whereas I think the Hudson River is not necessarily quite on the top of people's minds in the same way that they will get the play on words with bloodsyn.

[6:03] Yeah.

[6:04] Well, I mean, I guess history will tell, you know.

[6:08] If it had been called Friday the 13th Part 8, Time Scare, then it's like, okay, I get it.

[6:13] People know what Time Square is.

[6:14] Oh, right.

[6:15] But if it was like Friday the 13th Part 8, Dead Itch Village, I think people would be like, huh?

[6:20] Let me take a minute.

[6:21] Oh, oh, right, Greenwich Village.

[6:22] That's right.

[6:23] Okay, yeah, I get it.

[6:24] I think it's not, you want to get the famous thing that people all over the world can understand.

[6:28] Because Jason, he's a global brand.

[6:30] He's partnered with Adidas.

[6:32] He's always on the runways in Rome and Milan.

[6:35] He's a global brand, yeah.

[6:36] At home.

[6:37] Yeah.

[6:37] At home.

[6:38] Seems like a real Carhartt guy, honestly.

[6:40] Very big in Canada for obvious reasons.

[6:43] He's at home in a sake bar in Japan as he is out on the Velt in Africa, as he is climbing to Machu Picchu,

[6:51] leading a gang of tourists, as he is sitting in just a regular old diner in New York in 1989.

[6:58] Jason, he's a real Anthony Bourdain type.

[7:00] He's everywhere you want to be.

Dan McCoy

[7:03] Unfortunately, yeah.

[7:05] Yeah, because it was weird teleporting.

Stuart Wellington

[7:07] Yeah.

[7:09] So we'll just say that my title is maybe second best, and we'll work hard a little more.

[7:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[7:14] A solid alternate.

[7:15] Yeah, solid alternate.

[7:16] So let's jump into this little flick, right?

[7:19] So there's the eighth of these.

[7:20] So I hope you guys have watched all the previous seven and know them perfectly.

[7:25] Integral to the –

Elliott Kalan

[7:26] Yep.

[7:27] The Jason series is a weird series because the iconic –

[7:32] How so?

[7:33] The iconic character design does not exist until, what, halfway through the third movie?

[7:38] And so I've always been surprised –

[7:40] The 3D one.

[7:40] Yeah, the 3D one.

[7:41] Yeah, because that's when he gets the hockey mask.

[7:42] Because in the second one, Jason just has a bag over his head.

[7:45] And the first one, there's no Jason until that scare part at the end.

[7:50] It's his mom.

[7:51] So the idea that – it's almost like the idea that they would keep making these and eventually hit on an iconic horror character and look is very funny to me.

[8:01] And it's a little bit like if Star Wars was about a bunch of characters no one cared that much about.

[8:05] Empire Strikes Back.

[8:06] Luke is in it, but he's got a bag on his head.

[8:09] And then in the third movie, halfway through, he's like, let me put on this karate gi and pick up this laser sword.

[8:14] And people are like, yeah, I like it.

[8:15] This is great.

Stuart Wellington

[8:17] Well, yeah.

[8:17] It's like, yeah.

[8:19] If somebody's like, I love Boba Fett.

[8:20] Where should I start watching these movies?

[8:22] It's like, well, you got to start with A New Hope.

[8:23] And you're like, there's no Boba Fett.

Elliott Kalan

[8:25] Start with episode one, Phantom Menace.

[8:28] Oh, okay.

Stuart Wellington

[8:28] Start with the Ewok movie.

Elliott Kalan

[8:31] Which one?

[8:32] Caravan of Hope or whatever it is?

[8:33] The Battle for the Girl?

[8:34] Caravan of Courage, dude.

Stuart Wellington

[8:35] Caravan of Courage.

[8:36] Sorry.

[8:37] Okay.

[8:38] So, Friday the 13th, part eight opens with opening credits over shots of a grimy New York City.

[8:45] And there's a radio host who's doing a little, like, poetic tribute to New York City.

[8:51] Yeah, he's like an East Coast Bukowski.

[8:52] Yeah.

[8:53] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[8:53] Yeah, don't get attached to these shots of New York City because we're not going to be here for long.

Stuart Wellington

[8:59] Though, I guess a lot of these shots are then echoed by the events near the end of the movie.

[9:04] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[9:05] You are seeing the same fictional grimy alleyways full of steam that you will see later on.

[9:11] But they just have open trash cans full of wet waste.

[9:14] I miss it, guys.

[9:16] I miss it.

Dan McCoy

[9:16] Can we take just a second to talk to filmmakers out there, though?

[9:20] Stop putting alleyways in films set in New York.

[9:24] There's very few.

[9:24] We have, like, one alleyway in the whole city.

[9:28] I know that everyone's vision of the city is a bunch of fucking alleyways going over.

[9:33] The way the city is built, there are no alleys.

[9:36] Stop doing it.

Stuart Wellington

[9:37] I remember reading it.

[9:39] I look at one of these alleys and I'm like, oh, what's the rent on that alley?

Elliott Kalan

[9:43] I remember reading a – I mean, they're all – yeah, they're all muses at this point.

[9:47] I remember reading, like, a message board where they're talking about it might have been this movie or some other New York movie.

[9:52] And someone was writing about how there's no alleys.

[9:55] And this guy, he chimed in.

[9:57] He goes, what, is he telling me that the buildings in New York are just, like, right up against each other?

[10:01] And the guy was like, yeah, exactly.

[10:02] Yeah.

[10:03] They all are.

[10:04] They're just touching each other all the time.

Dan McCoy

[10:06] Constantly crammed on top of each other.

[10:08] You can't eat one because it's touching the other building.

Stuart Wellington

[10:13] Yep.

[10:14] So the camera eventually submerges outside of Liberty Island only to resurface in a little place called Crystal Lake where a small yacht is pulling up outside of a well-lit campground.

[10:31] And we have –

[10:31] Some sort of estuary or canal, I'm assuming.

[10:34] Mm-hmm.

[10:35] Two teenagers who we learn are graduating seniors are hooking up and they're listening to that very same radio host who dedicates some song to the graduating senior class of their town who are prepping on a –

[10:48] As we are informed by the radio host, are prepping for a school trip to New York.

[10:54] Big news.

[10:56] Yeah, it's big news.

[10:58] These are Jimmy and Susie.

[11:00] Jimmy gives us a quick summary of the Jason Voorhees legend.

[11:03] Susie is, I guess, being informed of this the first time.

Elliott Kalan

[11:07] Even despite living in the community, we have to assume.

[11:09] Maybe she's a transfer student.

[11:10] Maybe she just moved to Crystal Lake.

[11:11] Yeah.

[11:11] Who knows?

Stuart Wellington

[11:13] They toss the anchor overboard, which tugs on a submerged power line, which runs under a section of collapsed.

[11:18] Dock, where Jason's corpse is currently buried.

[11:21] See Friday the 13th Part 7, Ed.

[11:26] It causes a shock.

[11:27] That's the name of it?

Elliott Kalan

[11:28] Friday the 13th Part 7, Ed?

[11:30] Is Ed a major character?

[11:31] No, that's the editor.

[11:32] The editor is telling us.

[11:32] Oh, that's right.

[11:33] Oh, yeah.

[11:33] That's Rascally Roy is notifying us.

[11:36] Yeah, Rascally Roy.

Stuart Wellington

[11:36] Yeah.

[11:37] And it causes a shockwave, which wakes up zombie Jason, who boards the yacht.

[11:43] Jimmy goes out to check on something, only to come back dressed up as Jason for a brief joke.

Elliott Kalan

[11:49] Now, when I was a teenager, I did not have ready access to women who wanted to have sex with me.

[11:56] I know things were different for you guys.

[11:57] You were super studs.

[11:58] If you were in a situation where you are in the middle of having sex with your girlfriend, would you then get up, leave, get dressed up as Jason, and come back to prank her, thus risking ruining the mood entirely?

[12:11] Or would you continue through the act of lovemaking and then be satisfied, satisfy your partner, and then go to sleep?

[12:17] I feel like it is a weird choice to get up in the middle of the lovemaking and leave so that he can prank her.

Stuart Wellington

[12:22] It's a really good bit, though, dude.

[12:24] It's a great bit.

Elliott Kalan

[12:25] I don't think at any point clarified that Jason wears a hockey mask in his story.

[12:29] No, that's true.

[12:30] So she just has to assume that either it's Jason or her lover has returned for some reason wearing a hockey mask and holding a knife in his hand, which is in a way scarier.

[12:38] That the man you knew and thought you loved, the man you were intimate with, is now coming back as a killer, is scarier than a zombie man.

Dan McCoy

[12:44] Maybe he's still operating on the adolescent horror-makes-you-horny idea.

[12:50] They're already doing it, Dan, but they're already doing it.

[12:53] No, I know, but it's overkill.

[12:54] He's like, this is really going to get her motor running if I make her think that she's going to get killed.

Stuart Wellington

[13:01] I'm not going to yuck Jimmy's yum on this one, guys.

[13:05] Free to disagree.

Elliott Kalan

[13:06] Yeah, I mean, this yum is scaring his partner unsolicited in a way that she does not enjoy.

[13:11] I would call that a yuck, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[13:13] So they climb back into bed when, of course, the real Jason arrives to attack them.

[13:18] He uses some kind of a harpoon gun.

[13:20] He stabs Jimmy in the belly and he dies right away.

[13:23] And then Susie goes to hide in like a little stowage thing.

[13:27] And then Jason shows up and slowly stabs her with a harpoon.

[13:31] That's the cold open, everybody.

[13:33] That's it for them.

[13:34] Very exciting.

Elliott Kalan

[13:35] That's a wrap for Jimmy and, what were their names?

[13:38] Susie.

[13:39] Yep.

[13:39] That's a wrap for Jimmy and Susie.

Dan McCoy

[13:41] I liked the slow stab on the second kill because I found that, you know, in a series that as much as I am fond of doesn't, is low on scares for me.

[13:52] Like, I don't feel like it's actually that good at suspense.

[13:54] I enjoyed the slow, like, push in of a weapon.

Elliott Kalan

[13:58] It's startling how poor the suspense is in so many of the stalking and killing scenes in this movie.

[14:04] Yeah.

[14:04] How perfunctory everything comes off.

Stuart Wellington

[14:07] Not to play Monday morning quarterback, but I think a little touch that could have been added to this.

[14:11] Because every time you see Jason, Jason at this point looks very wet.

[14:14] He has just dragged himself out of the water.

[14:16] He looks gross like a water sodden corpse.

[14:21] I wish that every time he's, like, about to show up, his prey would be like, what's that smell?

[14:28] Like, because he would smell terrible.

[14:31] Like, I wish that, like, he was preceded by a horrible smell that they didn't understand and they were grossed out by.

[14:37] So that then, like, there's this, like, running theme of, like, he is preceded by this horrible stench, you know, to build suspense.

[14:45] Yeah.

[14:46] And you could do other bits.

[14:47] Who knows?

[14:47] You could do smell bits.

[14:49] Dude, did you beef?

[14:50] No, man.

[14:51] That must have been you.

[14:52] Oh, it's Jason.

[14:52] Oh, no.

[14:53] You could do the first Odorama.

Dan McCoy

[14:56] Yeah.

[14:56] An Odorama release of this.

[14:57] Yeah, exactly.

[14:58] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[14:59] The smell of a wet, mildewy corpse constantly in the theater.

Stuart Wellington

[15:03] Okay.

[15:04] So we are now, this, we are now, we now have a scene shortly after, I guess maybe the next morning, where a, the group of seniors are boarding a small cruise ship at a dock.

Elliott Kalan

[15:15] It's a small cruise ship that somehow has infinite space inside of it and multiple levels of basement that they can run through.

[15:24] So it's, it's hard to understand.

[15:25] Steam pipe filled basement.

[15:27] Constantly.

[15:28] So it's a cruise ship that has an entire hotel and warehouse inside of it.

[15:32] Yes.

Stuart Wellington

[15:33] So we are introduced to our heroine, Rennie, who is a socially awkward teenager who is followed by her dog, Toby, I believe.

[15:42] And she's being dropped off by her teacher, Miss Van Dusen, who gives her a pen as a graduation gift that was supposedly owned by Stephen King.

[15:54] Okay.

[15:57] The yacht from earlier.

[15:58] The yacht from earlier.

Elliott Kalan

[15:58] The yacht from earlier slides into the dock.

Stuart Wellington

[16:05] I'm assuming piloted by Jason.

Dan McCoy

[16:09] And he's on a little captain's side.

[16:10] He couldn't resist.

[16:11] He had to put the hat on.

[16:11] He's got a Mark Twain outfit on.

[16:16] Mark Twain, when he was a riverboat captain or always Mark Twain, the famous writer.

[16:21] Well, Jason doesn't really, he hadn't thought it through, so it's kind of a mix of both.

Elliott Kalan

[16:27] And he had to make it with stuff that's from the boat, so he had to rip the stuffed feathers out of a pillow so that he could glue it to his face like a mustache.

[16:34] But he glued it over the mask.

[16:35] Yep.

Stuart Wellington

[16:37] So we then meet an evil teacher, played by an evil teacher named Mr. McCullough, who is Rennie's legal guardian.

[16:47] And he doesn't want her to go on the trip.

[16:49] He's hesitant because she has, you know, issues.

[16:52] Especially a fear of water.

Elliott Kalan

[16:54] She has a horrible fear of water.

Dan McCoy

[16:57] Both costuming and, like, just, like, the face of the character actor.

[17:01] Like, this is, like, top drawer, like, 80s priggish guy, you know?

[17:06] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[17:07] Like, he's the guy who wants to shut down the concert.

[17:10] Exactly.

[17:11] He's the guy who I was assuming the dog was going to bite on the bottom at some point.

[17:16] And he goes, ooh, into the camera.

[17:19] I never.

Dan McCoy

[17:20] Toby!

Stuart Wellington

[17:23] Meanwhile, on the bridge of the cruise ship, we're introduced to one of the teenagers, Sean,

[17:28] whose father is the captain of the boat who tries to give him command of the boat,

[17:32] but he doesn't do a very good job, so he runs away in a huff, leaving the captain still in charge.

[17:39] It's pretty cool.

[17:40] And then as Sean is running across the deck, a deckhand warns him that the voyage is doomed.

[17:48] This deckhand, I think it's so funny.

Elliott Kalan

[17:51] He just wanders around going, like, everyone's going to die.

[17:53] You're all going to die.

[17:55] At no point does he get off the boat.

[17:57] He just wanders out of the boat talking about how everyone's going to die.

Dan McCoy

[17:59] He's like, got nothing better to do.

[18:02] It's part of my job to stay here.

Stuart Wellington

[18:04] He's like, my life ain't so great.

[18:08] I get it.

[18:09] It's fine.

[18:09] I got to see if my prediction was correct.

[18:11] I had a good run.

Dan McCoy

[18:12] Yeah.

[18:13] Yeah.

[18:13] I got to see if it's correct.

Stuart Wellington

[18:15] Yeah.

[18:15] So Jason climbs aboard, of course.

[18:18] Still wet.

[18:19] The cruise is underway.

[18:20] The kids are having fun.

[18:22] They're playing shuffleboard.

[18:23] They're shooting some skeet.

[18:25] That's a weird choice.

[18:27] And then they are, they're like dancing, like part of the, like the, the dining room has

[18:32] been turned into a dance hall.

[18:34] Yeah.

[18:34] It's like a little disco with a light up floor.

[18:37] Sean, the son of the boat captain, gives Rennie a statue of Liberty necklace.

[18:42] And they plan to walk up all 22 stories of that statue.

[18:47] How romantic.

Elliott Kalan

[18:49] Sounds about right.

[18:50] He, the way he makes it, but then he talks about, he, the way he makes it sound, sounds

[18:53] as if he thinks one, the statue will be open at night.

[18:57] And two, that you don't need to like get tickets or anything like that, but it's just like

[19:02] a building that you can just saunter into and, and walk up.

[19:05] And I don't think he's counting the pedestal, which you also have to go up the steps of to

[19:09] get to the statue.

[19:11] So you have at least another story, right?

[19:13] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[19:13] I was going to ask whether you had been to the top.

Elliott Kalan

[19:17] Oh yeah, for sure.

[19:18] I have not in a long time.

[19:19] And the last time I took a trip to New York, I really wanted to take my older son.

[19:23] He really wants to go, but the tickets were sold out months and months in advance.

[19:26] And so I need to like buy them a year in advance or something like that.

[19:30] But when I was younger, I went up there and it takes a long time.

[19:34] You stop and start walking up because you're basically waiting online the entire time you're

[19:38] going up.

[19:39] You get to the windows in the crown.

[19:41] At least back then they were super filthy and you could not see very much through them.

[19:44] And then you go right back down again.

[19:46] And the excitement of that trip was that suddenly a teenager came running past us, pushing people

[19:52] aside, going down the stairs and a guard chased after him.

[19:56] And it turned out that he, I guess, had been peeing off the edge of one of the railings and

[20:00] was now in trouble for it.

[20:02] So again, this is New York not too long after Jason was there.

[20:05] So it was not the cleanest place in the world.

[20:07] So it's probably a better security and cleaner windows now.

[20:10] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[20:11] And, but I mean, there's always like a 50% chance like Magneto and his brotherhood of

[20:16] mutants or some shit are going to be fucking up the thing.

[20:19] And the X-Men are going to have to stop him.

[20:19] Oh yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[20:20] Or that the Independence Day aliens are going to knock it over.

[20:22] Cloverhead's going to smack the head right off of it.

Stuart Wellington

[20:24] Yep.

[20:25] Old Cloverhead.

Elliott Kalan

[20:26] Cloverhead.

[20:26] Cloverfield.

[20:27] I mean, Cloverhead.

[20:29] The alien with four petals.

[20:30] The luckiest.

[20:32] Oh, Cloverhead.

Dan McCoy

[20:34] The luckiest of all of the monsters.

Elliott Kalan

[20:36] Cloverhead is a good St. Patrick's Day themed monster for a horror movie.

[20:41] St. Patrick's Day horror movie.

[20:42] But you guys have never been up there to the top of the statue?

Dan McCoy

[20:45] I have been to the island, but the time, like, you know, a friend was in town.

[20:50] We took her to the thing because she wanted to do like, you know, the big New York stuff.

[20:54] And it was like, I don't know if it was because it was post 9-11 or they were just doing construction,

[20:59] but it was closed for a long time.

[21:00] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[21:01] It was closed after 9-11 and it was closed for reconstruction for a while.

[21:06] But you can go up there now.

[21:07] It's, I mean, it's worth doing.

[21:09] It's fun to do.

[21:11] It just takes just a lot of standing in line going upstairs.

[21:14] Yeah.

[21:14] I like those things.

[21:15] We also meet.

[21:18] But Dan, you have a great relationship with your knees, right?

[21:20] Yeah.

[21:21] Thumbs down.

Stuart Wellington

[21:21] Back on the cruise ship, we meet Wayne, a nerd with a camera, a real Steven Soderbergh type.

[21:28] And we have a...

Dan McCoy

[21:29] That's going to be his autobiography, nerd with a camera.

Stuart Wellington

[21:35] And he is filming JJ, who is a rock chick who's playing guitar licks on the top of the cruise ship.

[21:42] JJ then goes down into the steamy bowels of the ship to play guitar along with a tape.

[21:48] And then Jason shows up and kills her with her own guitar.

[21:51] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[21:52] I was sad to see this character go immediately after she was introduced.

[21:56] She seemed like she had more flair than some of the others.

[21:58] Immediately seemed fun, yeah.

[21:59] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[22:00] I was instantly the most fun, most charismatic character of all the kids and then murdered immediately.

[22:07] Yeah.

[22:07] Murdered immediately.

Stuart Wellington

[22:09] Rennie sees a vision of young Jason drowning through her porthole.

[22:14] So it really is a porthole of time.

[22:16] It is showing her the past.

Elliott Kalan

[22:18] It is.

Stuart Wellington

[22:19] When I saw it, I thought of you.

Elliott Kalan

[22:20] The Prestige.

[22:22] Yep.

[22:23] We got it.

[22:24] That bit from what, 10 years ago?

[22:26] Finally paid off.

[22:27] Yeah, finally paid off.

Stuart Wellington

[22:29] Oh, man.

[22:30] Yeah.

[22:30] And paid off in cash money, I would imagine.

[22:33] Yep.

[22:34] Okay.

[22:36] Then we see a boxing match between Julius, one of the other stars of this film, and some

[22:41] other guy.

[22:43] They're being watched by Tamara or Tamara and Eva, who are kind of like mean girls, kind

[22:49] of popular girls.

Elliott Kalan

[22:51] And Eva, I'm going to mention, is played by Kelly and Who, or here I think she describes

[22:56] Kelly who would go on to play Lady Deathstrike in X2.

[22:59] Oh.

Stuart Wellington

[23:01] She's in a lot of stuff.

[23:03] One of them says, gorgeous guy at 10 o'clock looks sensual.

[23:06] I thought that was a good line.

[23:10] They then conspire, after they're almost caught doing cocaine, or top drawer toot, I think

[23:16] they call it.

[23:18] They conspire to torture Rennie.

Dan McCoy

[23:20] That's the brand name.

[23:21] That's the brand name when you ask for it.

[23:23] Yeah, from the 30s.

[23:26] You want a little pep in your step?

[23:28] Get some top drawer toot.

Stuart Wellington

[23:30] So they conspire to torture Rennie, who's afraid of water, and they push her overboard,

[23:35] which she does not like.

Elliott Kalan

[23:37] I don't think anyone would, even if you're not afraid of water.

[23:40] That's not pleasant to be pushed overboard off at the top of a ship.

[23:43] Classic prank.

[23:44] Get pushed off a boat.

Stuart Wellington

[23:46] Although, based on the background, it looks like they're going past Vancouver Island or

[23:53] something.

[23:54] So it looks nice.

[23:54] I mean, if cold, but nice.

[23:57] I mean, the water must be freezing.

[23:58] Yeah, it would be really cold.

[24:00] Okay.

[24:00] But I would imagine there's a really nice otter or sea lion that would help you back on

[24:05] board.

[24:05] That's what Canada's like.

[24:07] Yeah, sure.

[24:07] Sure.

[24:08] It's just like the Legend of the Titanic.

Dan McCoy

[24:09] Even if an otter is well-meaning, I don't think it's going to be able to get you

[24:14] back on a boat.

Elliott Kalan

[24:15] It's not a strong animal.

[24:16] Yeah.

[24:18] They're so cute.

Dan McCoy

[24:18] It's just sized and fresh.

Elliott Kalan

[24:20] I mean, at best case scenario, the otter will be able to lie on its back and you can use

[24:24] its chest as a wet pillow until it starts banging a piece of shellfish there against your head

[24:30] to open it up.

[24:30] Love it.

Stuart Wellington

[24:34] In the sauna, Jason finds the other boxer and he stuffs a hot rock into his belly until

[24:41] he dies.

[24:42] Mm-hmm.

[24:43] Okay.

[24:44] That was, as far as kills go, that's pretty gross.

Elliott Kalan

[24:47] I wouldn't like that to happen to me.

[24:47] Get a copy of the Rolling Stones' Hot Rocks.

[24:49] Yep.

[24:50] I was confused by the, again, confused by what was going on with this ship where each of

[24:54] them seemed to have rooms that they were staying in for what appeared to be a multi-hour,

[24:59] and that was it, trip to New York.

[25:01] There's a sauna on board.

[25:03] There's very little adult supervision.

[25:05] It was, you know, I couldn't quite figure out what-

[25:07] That's confusing.

[25:08] Usually when, like, teenagers are involved in a, I assume, a class trip like this, there's

[25:13] some sort of, like, agenda or schedule to keep them busy.

[25:16] But there was none of that here.

[25:17] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[25:19] While Rennie is in the water, unfortunately, there are no otters or sea lions to save her,

[25:25] but instead, she has a vision of young Jason grabbing at her leg in the water.

[25:30] She's rescued, but then she has another vision of Jason through a mirror, young Jason through

[25:36] a mirror, and he reaches through the mirror and grabs her neck, and then she falls to the

[25:40] ground, and he's gone again.

Elliott Kalan

[25:41] Always cool when someone, when a ghost reaches through a mirror, that's always a cool moment.

[25:44] Love it.

[25:44] Yeah.

[25:45] Always cool.

[25:46] Best version of that for me is Evil Dead 2.

[25:48] Ash looks in the mirror, and then he jumps at himself.

[25:50] It's great.

Dan McCoy

[25:50] I will say, in a movie that is, like, generally pretty cheap looking, even though apparently

[25:57] it had the highest budget of any of those things up until that point, like, young Jason

[26:02] looks like a garbage pail kid.

Elliott Kalan

[26:07] It's strange that maybe that's the cost of shooting in New York, that, like, even this

[26:11] movie, which had a more than $5 million budget and has no stars in it, looks cheap.

[26:16] Like, I don't know where the money's going.

Stuart Wellington

[26:18] Tamara, one of the mean girls, tries to seduce Mr. McCullough so that she doesn't have to

[26:24] complete her, like, science project.

[26:26] So she takes off the kimono she's wearing, and she has painted organ placements all over

[26:33] her body, which I'm like, at that point, maybe she completed the rules of her science

[26:37] experiment.

[26:37] I mean, that's a pretty good way to do it, do the assignment, if that's the assignment,

Elliott Kalan

[26:40] unless he's like, you were supposed to talk about molecular bonding, you know?

[26:43] I don't know what her assignment is, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[26:45] And then she drags him to the bed, and they kiss, but he resists.

[26:48] However, Wayne has been filming this thing the whole time, and they blackmail him to, they

[26:54] don't really specify the terms of the blackmail, but you assume it's some kind of a blackmail.

Dan McCoy

[26:59] I mean, so she passes, but, like, he seems pretty dead set on actually not doing that.

[27:06] Like, they assumed that it had worked after he left, because he wouldn't dare the scandal,

[27:12] but I don't know.

[27:13] Anyway, Elliot, what were you saying?

[27:14] Sorry.

Elliott Kalan

[27:14] I'm going to say, Mr. McCullough does not, he doesn't resist as much as he could have.

[27:18] Like, it would have been much easier for him to remove himself.

[27:21] But also, they all end up dead anyway.

[27:23] All this is moot.

[27:23] It doesn't matter.

[27:24] There's no, Jason's...

[27:26] Well, we all end up dead anyway, Elliot.

[27:28] Did we skip to the very end of this?

[27:29] No, but it's just strange to me that the filmmakers would include this scene and do any of this

[27:34] kind of plotting or anything when it'll amount to nothing.

[27:38] It doesn't matter at all.

Dan McCoy

[27:39] It amounts to nothing, yep.

[27:40] Just an excuse to get another member of the cast naked.

Elliott Kalan

[27:45] Yeah, I guess that's it.

[27:46] It was a key part of the franchise.

[27:49] It's even sexier because her organs are drawn on her body, so you can imagine what's going

[27:53] on under the, not just under her clothes, but under her skin as well.

Dan McCoy

[27:56] In an extortion plot with an older teacher.

[27:59] All of it's super hot.

Stuart Wellington

[28:02] Did you guys ever go on like a school field...

[28:04] That was ironic.

[28:04] Did you guys ever go to like a school field trip to like a science center where you saw

[28:08] a lady with like translucent skin with organs in it?

[28:13] I think they called her Pam at my...

[28:16] In Fort Wayne, Indiana.

[28:17] I've never met Pam.

[28:18] Okay.

[28:18] No, I haven't met Pam either.

[28:19] She sounds nice.

[28:20] But it was like a way to like show the...

[28:21] It was a way to like...

[28:22] I mean, it was obviously not a real person.

[28:24] It was like a little statue or whatever.

[28:26] Pam died?

[28:28] Yeah.

[28:29] I'm so sorry.

[28:31] Sorry you had to find out on a podcast live.

[28:34] Okay.

[28:36] So, she is celebrating her big victory.

[28:40] She is going...

[28:42] Goes to the shower.

[28:43] Jason shows up, breaks in, and then stabs her with a mirror fragment.

[28:47] How ironic that a young woman obsessed with her appearance would die by a mirror.

[28:52] Mm-hmm.

[28:52] Yeah, like the story of Narcissus itself.

[28:55] Mm-hmm.

[28:55] A storm rolls in.

[28:58] Jason kills the captain and the first mate.

[29:00] And then Sean and Rennie find the bodies.

Elliott Kalan

[29:04] Wait, that's Sean's dad.

[29:05] That's...

[29:05] And Jason has somehow propped up Sean's dad's body against the wheel so that doesn't fall down.

[29:10] Classic.

[29:10] Which seems like unnecessary.

[29:12] Why would he bother to do that?

Stuart Wellington

[29:13] He does that shit all the time, dude.

[29:14] I know he does.

Elliott Kalan

[29:15] The care factory.

[29:16] I guess the killing is just a way for him to get to scares.

[29:19] He's more interested in scaring someone with a body than he is in killing the person.

Stuart Wellington

[29:23] Well, yeah, because the next scene, it follows that.

[29:25] So, they try and radio for help.

[29:27] And Jason lets them make the initial radio call, and then we see him yanking the wires out.

[29:33] He lets them think something's going to happen.

[29:34] Then he shows, like, midway through, he cuts them off.

Elliott Kalan

[29:37] Yeah, and luckily, he knew exactly when they were going to use the radio and the right moment to pull those wires.

[29:42] That's the thing.

Stuart Wellington

[29:43] He's so good at what he does.

Dan McCoy

[29:45] Yeah, if he hadn't been drowned as a kid, who knows what would have become of him.

[29:49] Who knows?

Elliott Kalan

[29:49] He'd be Jigsaw, Dan.

[29:50] If he hadn't drowned as a kid, he'd be Jigsaw.

[29:52] That's true.

[29:53] It plays to his skills.

[29:55] Plus teleportation.

Stuart Wellington

[29:57] The rest of the survivors all show up at the bridge, including at this point, Julius is now wearing the exact same cool tracksuit top that I used to own.

[30:07] It made me so excited to see it in a movie.

[30:10] Like, I used to have that jacket.

[30:11] And then that weird old deckhand shows up again to tell them, it's Jason.

[30:15] Jason's the one doing the killing.

[30:17] Mr. McCullough's like, shut up.

[30:19] But it's like, everyone agrees.

[30:20] It's probably Jason doing the killing.

Elliott Kalan

[30:23] Let's all get on the same page here.

[30:25] Read Jason.

[30:26] Look, let's...

[30:27] Occam's razor.

[30:28] It's Jason.

[30:29] It's the simplest explanation.

[30:31] This has happened seven times before.

[30:34] At this point, there's no...

[30:36] It makes sense.

[30:36] They should have dredged the lake.

[30:38] I mean, a couple of times...

[30:38] Removed the body.

[30:39] Destroyed it.

Dan McCoy

[30:39] Before, technically, it wasn't Jason.

[30:41] But, you know...

Elliott Kalan

[30:42] He's killed.

[30:44] He'll kill again, just like he did seven times before.

[30:46] Actually, creepy deckhand.

[30:47] Only six times.

[30:49] It was his mom the first time.

[30:50] No, but with five, though.

[30:51] Because then there was that other guy who was...

[30:52] Yeah, part five.

[30:53] Yeah, part five.

[30:53] That's right.

[30:54] Oh, you're right.

[30:54] You're convinced.

[30:55] Yeah, that's true.

[30:56] Okay.

[30:56] Like, he's done five times.

[30:59] Five times.

[30:59] To be honest,

[31:00] I'm not always the most informed guy about Jason and his killings being a deckhand who just works on the lake.

[31:06] If it's not related to the lake, I'm not really that into it.

[31:11] You want to hear some facts about the lake?

[31:14] You know, when the glaciers came down, they carved this lake, killing many, probably.

[31:20] I think one of the glaciers looked kind of like a hockey mask.

[31:22] Walk out that as Jason.

Dan McCoy

[31:23] In a way, the glaciers were bigger killers than Jason.

Elliott Kalan

[31:27] Think about it.

[31:28] Think about it.

[31:29] Are you thinking about it?

[31:30] Don't think about it too much.

[31:31] It'll distract you, and then Jason will stab you in the back.

[31:34] Okay, deckhand, can we go?

[31:36] Because we're kind of all in danger.

[31:37] Do we have to keep talking about this?

[31:40] You know, I dated Jason's mom for a little bit.

[31:43] We didn't break up because she was crazy.

[31:46] We didn't have the chemistry.

[31:49] So I was almost Jason's dad in a way.

[31:52] Can you imagine that?

[31:53] Well, no, that's not how reproduction works.

[31:55] It would have been different.

[31:56] It would have been different.

[31:56] A different child would have been born.

[31:58] Probably better for everybody.

[31:59] You're saying I should have pursued her so that Jason would never be born.

[32:02] I mean, it's...

[32:03] Hold on.

[32:04] Let me get my time machine.

[32:05] Hold on.

[32:06] Wait a minute.

[32:08] Because it was all a misunderstanding.

[32:09] I thought she was waiting for me at one place, and she thought I was going to meet her at another place.

[32:13] And, you know, we just never connected after that.

[32:16] You know, I guess if we had meant more to each other, we would have...

[32:18] Life gets in the way.

[32:19] Yeah, we would have...

[32:20] You know, life.

[32:22] Life, how it happens.

[32:23] You get married.

[32:24] You have kids.

[32:24] You grow up.

[32:26] Suddenly, a woman you dated a long time ago is killing teenagers at the summer camp.

[32:30] It's a lot like our town.

[32:31] And her son goes into the family business.

[32:34] Yeah, it's just like our town.

[32:35] Just, you know, the generations ahead of us, millions of them getting married two by two.

Stuart Wellington

[32:41] So Eva finds Tamara's body, and then she runs away from Jason, only to get cornered on the dance floor, and then he strangles her.

[32:48] This was a fun scene where she sees...

[32:50] She's in the middle of the dance floor.

[32:51] She sees Jason.

[32:53] She looks away.

[32:54] Looks back.

[32:54] He's gone completely.

[32:56] And then he is right up on her and chokes her.

[32:59] This is...

Elliott Kalan

[32:59] Like, he does a lot of that, like, all of a sudden teleport surprise attack.

[33:03] And this is...

[33:03] I thought this was the best scene in the movie.

[33:04] This whole dance floor.

[33:06] It's great.

[33:06] It's really well done.

[33:07] And then he kills her and chokes her to death.

[33:09] And then at the end, he just dumps her body on the floor.

[33:12] And there's this heavy thud.

[33:14] And that was the most chilling moment in the whole movie to me.

[33:16] That was the only time I was like, oh, a person just died.

[33:19] Like, Jason just murdered someone.

[33:20] There was a life inside that body, and now it's empty.

[33:23] And I was like, if the whole movie was at that level, it could be a really good, you know, top drawer.

[33:28] I'm 100% with you.

[33:29] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[33:31] Okay.

[33:31] So, Julius kind of takes charge of all the teens.

[33:35] They divide up the weapons, including the shotguns used for skeet shooting.

[33:41] Wayne takes a shotgun and his camera, and he goes down into the bowels of the ship again.

[33:47] He gets blasted by steam, so his glasses fall off.

[33:51] In his confusion, he accidentally shoots either a fellow student or somebody working on the boat.

[33:56] Then Jason shows up, beats him up, and then throws him onto a control panel, which electrocutes him, and then sets the body on fire, causing a large fire on the ship.

[34:05] Mm-hmm.

Elliott Kalan

[34:06] So Wayne really, a lot happens with Wayne in this moment.

[34:09] Yeah.

[34:09] This is like a multiple death character moment.

Stuart Wellington

[34:12] Yeah, it's really, it's actually really great.

[34:15] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[34:15] I mean, if he hadn't been killed, his life would have been ruined anyway by that accident, so, you know.

Elliott Kalan

[34:22] So you're saying Jason's a hero?

[34:23] In a way, it was a mercy.

[34:24] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[34:26] We should all be more like Jason.

Elliott Kalan

[34:28] You say that, Dan.

[34:29] You say that, Dan, but no less illustrious a person than Adlai Stevenson, twice the Democratic nominee for president.

[34:37] I was going to say mayor.

[34:38] Democratic candidate for, I said Mary Ken.

[34:40] Twice the Democratic candidate for president of the United States accidentally shot and killed someone in his youth.

[34:45] He was able to get past it.

[34:47] Yeah.

[34:47] Wow.

Dan McCoy

[34:48] So I think he was.

[34:49] That's a good lesson for us all.

Elliott Kalan

[34:50] 12 or 13.

[34:51] Jason never killed him.

Dan McCoy

[34:52] Go out and shoot someone and grow up to be Adlai Stevenson.

Elliott Kalan

[34:55] It's a very sad story.

[34:56] He was like 12 or 13 and was handed a gun that he thought was, that he was told was not loaded, and pointed at a girl and shot her dead.

[35:02] Oh, that's terrible.

[35:02] And it really traumatized him for a while.

[35:04] But he went on to be a really impressive figure in American politics.

[35:07] So, yeah, that's the secret.

[35:09] If you want to be the Democratic candidate for president, I guess have a horrible thing that you do by accident when you're a kid.

[35:14] So.

Stuart Wellington

[35:16] So now we get some kids.

[35:17] The more you know.

[35:18] So now we get some kids running around on the deck of the ship.

[35:22] It's all rainy.

[35:23] One of the kids climbs a mast to try and evade Jason.

[35:26] He keeps looking over his shoulder.

[35:28] Then all of a sudden, Jason just grabs him, chucks him onto like some spikes, and he dies.

[35:34] Jason surprises Julius and throws him overboard.

[35:37] Don't worry.

[35:38] He didn't die.

[35:38] He'll show back up.

[35:40] Renny sees another vision of young Jason drowning, and then old Jason headbutts his way through a porthole, and Renny stabs him in the eye to escape.

[35:48] One neat bit is when Jason pulls the, what, knife or pen or whatever out of his eye.

Elliott Kalan

[35:53] The pen she was given as a gift by her teacher.

[35:55] Oh, cool.

Stuart Wellington

[35:56] When he pulls it out, like lake water spills out instead of blood.

[36:00] I thought it was kind of cool, like gross old lake water.

Elliott Kalan

[36:03] And it's like Jason's crying, like, is this what I've become?

[36:05] Yeah, yeah.

[36:06] Tears in the rain, yeah.

[36:07] And it is literally Chekhov's pen because even though they say it's Stephen King's pen in the movie, I think they bought it at an auction, the Chekhov auction estate.

[36:15] And so it was the actual pen that anti-Chekhov used to write three sisters, I believe.

[36:19] So historic artifact for Russian literary and drama history.

[36:24] Yeah.

[36:25] Treated with disrespect by Jason.

[36:27] Oh, no.

[36:27] Well, disrespect by Jason.

[36:29] It's Renny, the one who's stabbing people.

[36:30] Sorry.

[36:30] His faces, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[36:31] The ship is sinking.

[36:33] So Renny, Sean, Mr. McCullough, Miss Van Dusen, Toby the dog board a lifeboat.

[36:39] And then they manage to pull Julius aboard and they escape, surrounded by fog.

[36:44] When the fog clears, they're in New York Harbor.

[36:47] What?

[36:48] They made it.

[36:49] What a great school trip.

Dan McCoy

[36:50] And they go see Manhattan Melody on Broadway starring the Muppets.

[36:56] And they're like, this is what we came to Manhattan for.

Elliott Kalan

[36:58] This is.

[37:00] Somebody's getting married.

Dan McCoy

[37:03] Do you guys want to do the whole song?

[37:04] Somebody, somebody, somebody, somebody.

Elliott Kalan

[37:06] Yeah.

[37:06] I mean, this movie, I was thinking about this.

[37:09] This movie came out, what, five years after the Muppets take Manhattan?

[37:12] So do you think Jason takes Manhattan was a deliberate play on that?

[37:16] Or do you think takes Manhattan was a preexisting phrase?

Dan McCoy

[37:19] Well, there's that song, I'll take Manhattan.

[37:22] Okay.

[37:23] By Jason?

[37:25] Yeah.

[37:26] Yeah.

[37:26] Well, by Jason and the Argonauts.

[37:28] The Argonauts were just his band.

[37:30] I see.

[37:31] But Jason.

[37:31] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[37:31] They were like the Archies.

Stuart Wellington

[37:32] They were just studio musicians that were brought together for that one song.

[37:35] Yeah.

[37:36] I saw the cover band, the Golden Fleeces.

[37:38] They were pretty good.

[37:39] Oh, okay.

Elliott Kalan

[37:40] Yeah.

[37:40] They just do Jason and the Argonauts stuff?

[37:42] Yeah.

[37:42] That's plural for fleas.

[37:45] Fleas, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[37:46] Fleas.

[37:46] So they disembark and they enter New York City.

[37:51] Jason drags himself ashore shortly after them.

[37:54] As soon as they get to New York, they are immediately mugged by some gang member youth types.

Elliott Kalan

[37:59] Even before that, the teacher, Mr. McCullough, he's such a dick to everybody.

[38:03] He goes, oh, you couldn't have found a better place to dock the boat?

[38:07] And it's like, dude, he's not a ship's captain.

[38:10] He managed to pilot this boat to New York City and dock it.

[38:13] And these are the docks.

[38:14] It's not like you can go anywhere in New York City and just leave your boat tied up.

[38:18] It was such an unnecessary dick.

[38:19] I felt – I was really mad at that guy at that moment.

[38:21] Yeah.

[38:22] I hope something bad happens to him.

[38:24] I hope he gets drowned in a trash can after this.

Stuart Wellington

[38:29] So they get mugged by some thugs who decide to kidnap Rennie at this point.

[38:35] And I'm like, that's a mistake, guys.

[38:37] Yeah, you don't want to get into kidnapping.

Elliott Kalan

[38:39] Why are you complicating things?

[38:41] I mean, this is New York in the 80s.

[38:44] As we all know from the movies, gangs of multi-ethnic thugs are just robbing people and kidnapping young white women.

[38:52] And they don't know that –

[38:53] Spray-painting Johnny Five.

[38:54] Exactly.

[38:54] And inducting him into their gang.

[38:57] Kicking people's balls into outer space, which is not legal.

Dan McCoy

[39:03] Cruel and unusual.

Elliott Kalan

[39:05] They're also – they're movie criminals.

[39:08] But they are not aware that she has a psychic link with a death elemental who is driven to chase her.

Stuart Wellington

[39:15] So they take Rennie down an alley where they inject her with some milky green drugs before they attempt to take sexual liberties with her.

[39:26] Before that can happen, Jason shows up and he takes the drug needle and rams it through the back of one guy, killing him.

[39:32] And then he smashes the other goon's face against the steam pipe.

[39:36] I'm assuming killing him as well.

[39:38] Rennie runs away.

[39:40] Julius then leads Jason to the roof of a building where they have a one-sided boxing match where Julius tires himself out, punching Jason a whole bunch.

[39:50] And then he gives Jason the opportunity.

Elliott Kalan

[39:52] Let him wear themselves out.

Stuart Wellington

[39:54] And then Julius gives Jason the opportunity to take his best shot.

[39:59] So Jason punches his head off and it rolls down a roof into a dumpster, which closes.

[40:04] Yeah.

[40:05] It's a real laugh.

[40:06] I also forgot to mention that as soon as Jason got to New York, he saw a big billboard with a hockey goalie and a hockey mask.

[40:15] And it's hilarious.

[40:17] And he has a moment of, is that me?

[40:19] Like, is that me?

[40:20] Am I big?

Elliott Kalan

[40:21] Am I big in New York?

[40:22] Is that big me?

[40:25] Big brother me?

Stuart Wellington

[40:27] So McCullough then shows up with a police, a New York NYPD officer who is very Canadian.

[40:35] Yes, extremely.

[40:37] And Sean and Rennie show up as well.

[40:40] They all get into the cop car where Jason has already posed Julius's severed head on the dashboard.

[40:46] He's such a fucking scamp, this guy.

[40:51] Is that why you love him?

[40:53] Is that why you love him, Stu?

[40:54] I love him.

[40:55] I love him because he's such a stinker.

[40:57] We didn't mention.

[40:58] He just bits constantly.

[41:00] Always, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[41:01] I don't think we mentioned, but Jason, of course, in this go-round played by a fan favorite, Kane Hodder.

[41:08] He's your favorite.

Elliott Kalan

[41:10] He's easily my favorite.

[41:11] There's no question.

[41:12] Easily the best of the Jasons.

[41:13] That's for sure.

Stuart Wellington

[41:14] Now, as far as Jason looks go, I would say this is not one of the strongest Jason looks.

[41:19] Number one, of course, is part seven.

[41:22] Jason looks incredible in that.

[41:23] A perfect, like, rotting Hulk of a zombie.

[41:24] Part seven, Jason looks incredible.

[41:27] He does.

[41:28] Part seven is, like, kind of tied.

[41:31] Part four and seven are my two favorites.

[41:34] Seven is basically.

[41:36] Seven is the one where he's.

[41:37] Seven is the one that's basically Firestarter meets Jason.

[41:40] And it rocks.

[41:41] It just rocks so hard.

[41:43] And four is great because it's kind of the perfect, like, Friday the 13th movie.

[41:48] And that's the one with Corey Feldman in.

[41:50] Yeah.

[41:50] I think that's my fave.

Elliott Kalan

[41:52] That's the one I used to see on TV the most.

[41:54] And Crispin Glove.

[41:55] They felt they would play that the most.

[41:57] Yeah.

[41:57] But I will say, I agree that his look in this one is, it doesn't help that he's wet all the time.

[42:03] And it doesn't help that his clothes are, like, ripped, but not ripped in, like, in that scary zombie way.

Dan McCoy

[42:10] Yeah.

[42:10] And not ripped in that sexy zombie way.

[42:12] Thank you.

[42:13] That's for sure.

Elliott Kalan

[42:13] And I think because he's so wet and he's always shiny as a result of that, in my memory as a kid,

[42:21] before I finally saw the movie, I think remembering him from the commercials, I thought he was wearing, like, Hellraiser-type, like, centibite black leather.

[42:30] Yeah.

[42:30] Like, some kind of shiny, cool leather.

[42:32] And, again, finally watching it and being like, oh, he just looks like a garbage man whose clothes got ripped up.

[42:37] Like, that's not exciting.

[42:38] You know?

Stuart Wellington

[42:39] Yeah.

[42:40] And he doesn't, nor is he wet enough to be, like, what is it, the Tar Man zombie from Return of the Living Dead?

[42:46] Now, that's a sloppy.

[42:48] My favorite zombie.

[42:48] I love that shit.

Elliott Kalan

[42:49] It's not, it's not, like, it's not, like, gross, like, ugh, like, reprehensible, like, load some wet.

[42:55] It's just kind of like, ugh, okay.

[42:57] Are you going to trip all over everywhere?

[42:59] Yeah.

[42:59] You're like, I don't want to be on the subway with that guy.

[43:02] No, exactly.

[43:03] But not because I think he's going to kill me, just because it's going to smell and, you know, he'll be, that smell that you were hoping for is, uh, he's going to kill the car with.

Stuart Wellington

[43:09] So they take the cop car and they run over Jason.

[43:14] But then another vision of young Jason causes Rennie to crash the cop car, which explodes, killing Miss Van Dusen.

[43:23] Rennie stares into a puddle and has a flashback to a summer as a child where Mr. McCullough pushes her into the lake in an attempt to teach her to swim, only for her to be pulled down by young Jason.

[43:33] Huh.

Elliott Kalan

[43:34] And he's saying to her.

[43:35] So I guess this is where this all comes from.

[43:37] He's saying to her, you better learn to swim or Jason's going to drag you down.

[43:40] Like, he's using Jason as a scary boogeyman to get her to start swimming.

[43:44] Doesn't work.

Stuart Wellington

[43:45] Uh, Sean pushes Mr. McCullough into some trash and runs off.

[43:50] Jason wakes up.

[43:51] Cheers.

[43:52] Yeah.

[43:53] Jason wakes up.

[43:54] So Mr. McCullough runs into an abandoned building.

Elliott Kalan

[43:55] I think that was the number one stand up and cheer moment, right?

[43:58] It was number one.

[43:59] Number two was the flash enters the speed force.

[44:00] I mean, tell the flash came along.

[44:02] And number one was Mr. McCullough pushed into some garbage.

Stuart Wellington

[44:07] I kind of want to go back through every year's worth of movies and pick the stand up and cheer moment for every year.

[44:15] What a project.

[44:16] Oh man.

[44:16] That'll be a great, uh, Flabass mini.

[44:19] Okay.

[44:19] That'll be a good one.

Elliott Kalan

[44:19] 1968.

[44:20] I assume it's Charlton Heston finally talks to the ape.

[44:23] That was the big stand up and cheer moment.

[44:25] Oh yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[44:25] Oh my God.

[44:25] Everybody lost their fucking mind.

[44:27] When he says, get your dirty hands off.

Elliott Kalan

[44:28] Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty apes.

[44:31] The audience lost it.

[44:32] Just jumped up and screamed.

[44:33] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[44:34] Uh, yeah.

[44:35] People were buying shirts that said that line.

[44:37] It was awesome.

[44:37] Yeah.

[44:38] Yeah.

[44:38] Uh, so Jason wakes up.

[44:40] Uh, Mr. McCullough sees Jason and he runs away and tries to hide in an abandoned building.

[44:45] He is immediately chucked out of a window by Jason.

[44:49] Uh, not by the residents.

[44:50] I think it would have been fun if he ran up and then like residents of a New York building

[44:54] just chucked him out so he could be beaten up.

[44:55] Not the band for residents.

Dan McCoy

[44:56] Jason, we don't care.

[44:58] Out with the trash.

Elliott Kalan

[45:01] Uh, then, uh.

[45:02] I'm paying $3,500 a month for this abandoned building apartment.

[45:05] Get out of here.

Stuart Wellington

[45:07] Charlene's, uh, Charlene's cousin sent her a video, uh, of, uh, of Staten Island.

[45:13] I don't know if you guys, you guys are familiar with the Staten Island turkeys.

[45:16] Not a sports team.

[45:17] It's just that there's a lot of wild turkeys that live on Staten Island.

[45:20] Oh, okay.

[45:20] And she has this video that's a, uh, of this like van pulling up on the street next to

[45:26] a turkey and the guy just yells out the window, get the fuck out of here.

[45:31] It's like the most, it's the most Staten Island thing I've ever seen.

[45:35] And I love it so much.

[45:37] Why don't you go sit in some gravy?

[45:40] Hey.

[45:41] Hey.

[45:42] Uh, okay.

[45:42] So then Jason, speaking of gravy, Jason then picks up Mr. McCullough and stuffs him head

[45:47] first into a barrel of green toxic waste with a dead rat in it, uh, and drowns him.

Dan McCoy

[45:53] As we had in the eighties back in New York.

[45:55] New York was so great in the eighties.

Elliott Kalan

[45:58] Open barrels of toxic waste littering the waterfront.

Stuart Wellington

[46:04] Uh, Sean and Rennie go sit down on a bedside.

[46:07] Bug couch left in an alleyway.

Elliott Kalan

[46:08] It's so funny to me to watch these movies now too.

[46:10] And look back on my memories of New York at the time where I was not in the most rundown

[46:15] areas of New York city when I was a kid, when I would go in and visit my grandma, but it

[46:19] was very much like I would go to New York.

[46:21] I'd visit my grandmother.

[46:22] We'd go to a Broadway show.

[46:23] We'd go to a Chinese restaurant.

[46:24] Like the idea that New York was just like a hell hole with open, open barrels of toxic

[46:29] waste everywhere and abandoned buildings full of rats and monsters.

[46:32] Just like, just looking back, I'm like, well, I never experienced that New York the same

[46:36] way.

[46:36] I mean, when we go to Broadway shows, we would have to walk past like Times Square, like

[46:40] peep show emporiums and things like that.

[46:42] But it was not, that was the least of it.

[46:44] You know, that was about it.

Stuart Wellington

[46:45] And you're like, grandma, what's that?

[46:47] And she'd be like, not for you yet.

Elliott Kalan

[46:52] Someday, someday you'll learn the ways of the flesh.

[46:55] Well, when a man loves a lot of women very much.

[46:58] When a man, well, when a man loves pleasuring himself to the fantasy image of a woman because

[47:04] he feels uncomfortable around the real thing.

Dan McCoy

[47:07] Because he fears about being intimate, truly intimate mean.

Elliott Kalan

[47:13] Anyway, I have some friends who are going to flay you, but you're going to like it.

[47:17] And then the satellites come and take me away.

Stuart Wellington

[47:20] Such a, yeah, what a cottagecore pinhead we have there.

[47:23] Okay.

[47:24] So, Sean and Rennie sit on a bed bug couch left in an alleyway and they share a chased

[47:30] kiss.

[47:31] This is a rare, a moment of intimacy that they get before Jason bursts through some boxes.

[47:37] Uh, they then board a subway train while Jason chases them through the tunnels.

[47:41] And this is really where I'm like, you know what?

[47:44] Maniac of New York, the death train did this better.

[47:47] Thank you.

Elliott Kalan

[47:47] I appreciate that.

[47:48] So they.

[47:49] I mean, partly because it is clearly not a New York subway train that they're on, but

[47:53] also the other people, aside from when he, Jason pushes someone over, but otherwise he's

[47:58] just ignoring everybody else around.

[48:00] Yeah.

[48:00] He's only focused on these two teens.

[48:02] He doesn't care about anybody else, which is not my, it's just not my image of horror.

[48:06] You know, my image as any readers of maniac of New York, the death train, that's the

[48:09] first collection.

[48:10] Second collection is of course, maniac of New York, the Bronx is burning that my, what

[48:13] I always wanted to see was a Jason who is just an unstoppable massacre murder machine

[48:18] who does not have personal vendettas so much as just wants to, wants to kill and just walks

[48:26] through like a, like a lawnmower blade, just hacking people apart.

[48:29] And that's not what we get here.

[48:30] And the, the, I will say, I do like, they pull the emergency cord and Jason falls and

[48:35] slides seemingly almost the length of the car.

[48:38] Yeah.

[48:39] Yeah.

[48:39] It's great.

[48:39] And I'm like, yeah, that's cool.

[48:40] It's super clumsy.

[48:41] But I imagine this huge hulking monster would, would get that kind of distance and he's wet

[48:45] too.

Stuart Wellington

[48:45] So.

[48:45] Yeah.

[48:46] The, uh, yeah.

[48:47] I mean, it's like how, one of the things I like, uh, about Jason X is where Jason wakes

[48:52] up on a space station in the future and he's like, okay, time to start killing.

Dan McCoy

[48:58] Yeah.

[48:58] He may as well have like shrugged to the audience.

[49:02] How, how clear his attitude is of just like, okay.

[49:06] Time to make the donuts.

[49:08] That's more the image of Jason I like.

[49:10] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[49:10] Yeah.

[49:10] Where he like picks up his old machete and then he sees like a futuristic machete.

Elliott Kalan

[49:14] He's like, well, no, I'll take the futuristic one.

Stuart Wellington

[49:16] That's fine.

[49:17] Well, that one looks a little better.

Elliott Kalan

[49:18] Picks up his old machete and he goes, at last, my right arm is complete again.

[49:23] Yeah.

[49:24] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[49:26] So they managed to knock Jason on a third rail.

[49:29] He gets zapped and we're like, oh wow, that's cool.

[49:32] The nightmare's over.

[49:33] No chance.

[49:34] They escaped to, they escaped to Times Square.

[49:37] Uh, Jason follows them.

[49:38] This is probably where all the budget went is shooting in Times Square.

[49:41] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[49:42] Yes, entirely.

[49:43] And I was trying to figure out, um, whether I thought this was dumb or

[49:47] not, that they get to Times Square and they look around in awe, like any city, any country

[49:51] bumpkin being in Times Square for the first time.

[49:53] But I was like, that's dumb that they're not running.

[49:55] Then I'm like, you know what?

[49:56] They think this traumatic experience is over and now they're overwhelmed by the lights and

[50:00] noise of Times Square.

[50:01] Maybe they would stop and try to make sense of it all with their mouths hanging agape at

[50:05] the moment.

[50:05] Maybe that's a good moment of characterization.

Dan McCoy

[50:08] I want to apologize, uh, on behalf of all transplants or visitors to New York for Elliot's attitudes.

[50:14] They're called bumpkins.

Stuart Wellington

[50:16] Towards bumpkins.

Dan McCoy

[50:18] Who, I was once a bumpkin who was impressed by Times Square too.

[50:21] I think that the, I need to explain that.

Stuart Wellington

[50:23] I believe when Dan first got to New York, he was wearing a straw hat and, uh.

[50:27] Overalls.

[50:28] Yeah.

[50:29] Overalls.

[50:29] And he had a stick of hay sticking out of his mouth.

Elliott Kalan

[50:32] No, but I, I.

[50:34] All of his things were in a bindle.

[50:36] Yeah.

[50:36] He had a jug of moonshine at his hip.

[50:39] Our terrible.

[50:40] And I believe his first, his first words upon seeing the city were, gosh.

Dan McCoy

[50:45] Our attitudes are informed by having all of us, uh, lived in New York for decades.

[50:53] Uh, you know, in now this case, obviously not currently.

[50:56] But I also, but also that I grew up in New Jersey.

Elliott Kalan

[50:59] Well, I grew up in New Jersey.

[51:00] I had family in New York.

[51:01] So I was going in and out of New York a lot as a child.

[51:03] And I do wish that I had the experience of experience in New York for the first time as an adult.

[51:07] Because I imagine it is an exciting, overwhelming thing as opposed to it feeling familiar.

[51:12] But what were you going to say, Dan?

[51:13] I apologize.

[51:13] Oh, no.

Dan McCoy

[51:13] I'm just saying that our attitudes, you know, are informed, of course, by just having to go through Times Square as residents every once in a while.

[51:22] Well, that, yeah.

[51:23] Like how unpleasant it is.

[51:25] How it is, you know, it is filled with out-of-towners who don't know how to not stop in the middle of the road.

Stuart Wellington

[51:33] I would say the most scared I have.

[51:34] It's just me bumping into tourists going, get the fuck out of here.

[51:38] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[51:38] And how if you live in Times Square, if you don't work in that area, you are just passing through it.

[51:43] There's no reason for you to be hanging out there because you don't need to be at the M&M's store unless you're going to a Broadway show or something.

[51:48] And I would say the scariest –

[51:49] Unless you're low on M&M's.

[51:51] Yeah.

[51:51] Where else do you buy your fucking M&M's?

[51:53] You're right.

[51:53] It's the only place to get M&M's.

[51:55] They don't taste right at the other stores because they make them, I guess, there.

[51:58] Yeah.

[51:59] Of course.

[51:59] That's where they're killing those big talking M&M's and chopping them up into the little M&M's.

[52:03] No, those are little poop nuggets from –

[52:06] There's just M&M's in the back being force-fed like foie gras geese that they poop out more M&M's.

[52:12] I will say –

[52:13] But I'll say the most scared I've ever been in New York –

[52:15] And I don't –

[52:16] New York was not a scariest city I found scary, maybe because I was used to it as a kid.

[52:20] But the most scared I ever was was being in Times Square, walking through it when the Super Bowl was in New Jersey.

[52:25] And all the Super Bowl weekend events were in New York and Times Square.

[52:28] And it was so packed full of locals and tourists that it was the only time I've ever been in a situation where I was desperately worried that there would be a stampede and I'd be trampled to death.

[52:37] It was so scary how packed it was.

[52:39] And so Times Square is a place you try to –

[52:41] I had a reverse Vanilla Sky experience where Tom Cruise was like, where's all the people?

[52:46] Like me, I was like, there's too many people here.

[52:48] What's going on?

[52:49] So Times Square can be scary.

[52:50] Yeah.

[52:50] And in some ways as scary as Jason.

Stuart Wellington

[52:52] Yeah.

[52:53] Yeah.

[52:53] I got two words for a scary New York moment.

[52:56] Santa con.

[52:58] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[52:59] Well, that was – whenever I had so many memories of meeting up with my family, my family coming in from New Jersey, meeting my grandmother, all meeting together in a restaurant.

[53:09] And then seeing outside the hordes of Santa con roaming around and us just kind of hiding in the restaurant as if zombies were rampaging the city and we finally found refuge.

[53:18] Yeah.

[53:19] Ugh.

[53:19] Santa con.

[53:20] Horrible.

Stuart Wellington

[53:21] So they escape to New York.

[53:22] They're running away from Jason.

[53:23] Jason, in his pursuit, manages to kick over a boombox.

[53:28] Some thugs attempt to accost him.

[53:30] They say, you're dead meat.

[53:31] He turns around and lifts up his mask, unseen by the viewer.

[53:35] And they turn around and run away.

[53:38] It's a good bit.

Elliott Kalan

[53:40] As if to confirm to them, I am dead meat.

[53:41] You're right.

[53:42] I'm a rotting corpse.

[53:43] It is a good bit.

Dan McCoy

[53:44] And also, this is a moment of surprising self-awareness on Jason's behalf.

[53:49] Yes.

[53:49] Knowing that all he needs to do is just show them his visage.

Elliott Kalan

[53:54] Mm-hmm.

[53:54] This is why, this is a moment that under, it's a funny moment, but it undercuts Jason considerably to me.

[54:00] Because it shows that self-awareness.

[54:03] And also that he's like, hey, you kids, get out of here.

[54:06] You know, like he's kind of, it's a, it feels like more of a Freddy type thing to do than a Jason type thing.

Dan McCoy

[54:12] He turns to the camera and goes, next time.

[54:14] And winks.

Elliott Kalan

[54:15] Ain't I a stinker?

[54:16] Kids these days.

Stuart Wellington

[54:18] Uh-huh.

[54:18] Yep.

[54:19] And then he chews on a, on a carrot.

Elliott Kalan

[54:21] Now you've been scared straight.

[54:23] That's what he says to them as they run away.

Stuart Wellington

[54:25] They, uh, they escape through the Times Diner, which I don't know about you guys.

[54:30] I love.

[54:31] There's a little joke about how they tell the wait, the grizzled waitress that they're being pursued by a killer.

[54:37] And she's like, welcome to New York.

[54:39] Yeah.

[54:40] Uh, and she also answers the phone.

[54:42] She also answers the phone and says that they're open till 3, 3 a.m. every day.

[54:46] And I'm like, oh, I miss that New York.

[54:49] Yeah.

[54:49] Because a lot of the late, late spots aren't open anymore.

[54:52] Thanks, COVID.

[54:53] Um, okay.

[54:54] Wow.

Elliott Kalan

[54:54] And it shows you how long we used to be able to say, thanks, Giuliani.

[54:57] Thanks, Bloomberg.

[54:58] Now it's thanks, COVID.

[55:00] You know what?

[55:00] I've seen so many generations of New Yorkers getting mad that New York is not what it once was.

Stuart Wellington

[55:05] Giving thanks.

[55:05] I feel like, I feel like if it was up to, if it was up to Eric Adams, restaurants and clubs would be open all night long, every day, 24 hours.

[55:14] He's a party mayor and a piece of shit.

[55:17] But they'd all take crypto.

[55:19] Yeah.

[55:19] They'd only be paid.

[55:20] You could only pay in crypto.

[55:22] And, uh.

Elliott Kalan

[55:23] So here's, I, I have been, I'm only, I only have to pay attention to Eric Adams because I don't live in New York anymore.

[55:27] I'm not, I, I figured I should learn about the politics of the city I live in.

[55:31] It seems, every time I hear something about him, I'm like, what is this guy's deal?

[55:35] Like, what is his, what is his deal?

[55:37] I don't understand it.

[55:38] I just don't understand it.

Stuart Wellington

[55:39] He's the guy who, who promised if he won the primary, he would get his ears pierced.

[55:43] And then he did.

[55:44] It's like, that's not a sacrifice.

[55:48] That's not like a guy who shaves his beard if you make it to the playoffs.

[55:51] That's just a guy who's like, hey, I wanted to get this thing done.

[55:54] So I did it.

Elliott Kalan

[55:55] But it's also, it's, but it's also a weird thing.

[55:56] I'm surprised myself.

[55:57] It's a weird incentive to give to voters in a, in a democratic primary that like, hey, check it out.

[56:02] I'll pierce my ears if you vote for me.

[56:03] And then being like, I'd love to see that.

[56:05] Yeah.

[56:06] I can't wait to see that.

[56:08] Okay.

[56:08] So they escape out the back of the diner.

[56:11] I do want to say in the diner, this is a, this is a little, this is a little not yet, not quite Easter egg.

[56:16] Jason gets into a fight with the short order cook there.

[56:19] And the man who plays the short order cook would go on to play Jason in Freddy versus Jason.

[56:22] No, that's nice to see.

[56:24] So it's like Jason is fighting.

[56:26] It's a circle of life.

[56:26] Yeah.

[56:26] Fighting with his future self.

[56:27] It's a very Oedipal moment, you know, between the two of them.

[56:30] Yeah.

[56:30] Edipal.

[56:30] It is edible.

[56:31] It's in a diner.

[56:33] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[56:34] Oh, Dan and I have the same thought.

[56:35] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[56:36] Twins.

[56:36] We're in the same room, so we can't high five, but we're doing it spiritually.

Stuart Wellington

[56:40] Mm-hmm.

[56:40] They escape out the back and into another flooded tunnel.

[56:43] They run into another very Canadian workman who explains that the sewer tunnels flood with-

[56:50] He's extremely Canadian.

Elliott Kalan

[56:52] As Canadian as that cop was earlier, the tunnel guy is so much more Canadian.

[56:56] And I'm just like, really?

[56:58] You had to get a local?

[56:59] You couldn't have told him to at least try to sound New York?

[57:02] It's amazing to me.

Stuart Wellington

[57:03] They're like-

[57:04] Yeah.

[57:04] With the bushiest mustache.

[57:06] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[57:06] Like, he might as well have been wearing a Mountie hat and waving a Canadian flag and a hockey stick.

[57:12] Drink a Labatt's blue or some shit.

[57:15] Hold on.

[57:16] Let me tell you about the sewers, but first I got to finish this plate of poutine.

[57:20] Hold on a second.

[57:21] Like, it's-

Stuart Wellington

[57:22] Just go all the way.

[57:22] So they-

[57:24] The Canadian workman explains that the sewer tunnels fill with toxic waste every day at midnight, eh?

[57:32] And then Jason kills him with-

[57:34] Classic New York stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[57:36] Such a bonkers idea that every night at midnight, one, where's the toxic waste coming from?

[57:41] Two, that they would flush it out through the sewers every night.

[57:45] Every night at midnight.

[57:46] Midnight's not even that late to do it.

[57:48] People are still out.

[57:50] It could splash out of the sewer gratings.

Stuart Wellington

[57:52] And I do like that these sewer tunnels have, like, hanging pendant lights.

[57:57] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[57:58] Like, that seems strange for, like, a sewer tunnel.

[58:02] For what is essentially a tunnel just for liquid waste.

[58:05] To have lights for anyone who might be walking through it.

[58:08] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[58:09] We do it to flush out all the food particles.

[58:12] So none of these mogwai eat it, eh?

[58:15] Oh, yeah.

[58:15] Because then you got a gremlin problem.

Stuart Wellington

[58:18] Oh, no.

[58:18] You wouldn't want one of those.

[58:20] Wow, we're doing, man, we're really killing our accents today.

[58:23] We're experts.

[58:23] Yeah.

[58:24] This is great.

[58:24] This is, like, real.

[58:26] Okay.

[58:26] So, Renny leads Jason away from Sean, then throws toxic waste in his face, which I guess, like, burns him or blinds him.

[58:33] He takes his mask off.

[58:35] They climb a ladder to escape, but a blind and maskless Jason grabs their legs.

[58:40] And then he is washed away in a tide of toxic waste.

[58:43] And then we see some parallels between Jason's original drowning.

[58:47] Lightning strikes the city a bunch.

[58:48] And Jason has now become young Jason again.

Elliott Kalan

[58:51] Yeah, it's like lightning hits the Statue of Liberty, right?

[58:54] Yeah.

[58:54] I guess it's, like, evil lightning or...

[58:57] Maybe that's where they're flushing the toxic waste through.

[59:00] Get the tourists out.

[59:01] Every night at midnight, we send toxic waste through the Statue of Liberty, eh?

[59:05] So, you got to get the tourists out of there.

Stuart Wellington

[59:07] Lady Liberty cleanses the toxic waste and makes it pure water.

Elliott Kalan

[59:12] Wait, have I been drinking that?

[59:14] That's why it says give me your toxic, your impure, your bad water that needs cleaning.

[59:21] That's what it says at the bottom of the pedestal.

Stuart Wellington

[59:23] Oh, she does it all.

[59:24] Okay, and then they walk through the city...

[59:25] I thought I was from Canada.

Elliott Kalan

[59:26] I might be from Chicago.

[59:27] I'm not totally sure where the accent is leading me.

Stuart Wellington

[59:30] Then they walk through the streets of New York.

[59:32] Now, the workmen had said that it floods with toxic waste at midnight.

[59:36] But when they're walking through the streets, it seems like it's, like, shortly before dawn.

[59:41] I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel like midnight at this point.

Elliott Kalan

[59:44] It might be.

[59:45] Maybe it's just that time of year in New York when the sun rises at 12.01 a.m.

[59:49] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[59:50] And then, of course, Toby the dog runs up and everyone's like, yay!

[59:54] And then that's the end of the movie.

[59:55] And we get kind of a banger of a theme song during the credits.

Elliott Kalan

[59:59] Oh, sure.

[59:59] This movie in which a killer zombie follows teenagers that take a boat from Crystal Lake through the waterways of the East Coast to Manhattan.

[1:00:10] And then toxic waste and magic lightning de-ages him into a child.

[1:00:15] The most unbelievable thing to me was that Toby the dog is like, ruff, ruff, here I am.

[1:00:20] Like, he just shows up and meets up with them.

[1:00:22] That seemed bonkers to me.

[1:00:24] Too far.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:24] You know that in the first screening they showed it and everybody was like, what happens to the dog?

[1:00:29] I don't like it if I don't see what happens to the dog.

[1:00:31] So that's why they have Toby the dog show up.

[1:00:34] Here's my larger question.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:35] Why is Toby the dog in this movie?

[1:00:37] To give a happy ending.

[1:00:38] That's actually a good question.

[1:00:39] You just saw a bunch of kids being killed.

[1:00:40] You got to get a picture of a dog.

[1:00:42] I heard he doesn't do anything.

[1:00:43] He does nothing.

[1:00:45] He disappears.

[1:00:46] There were parts of the movie where I'm like, oh, yeah, they had a dog with them because he shows up.

[1:00:49] And I wonder if they had something planned, like a Jason versus dog scene that either they couldn't do because they couldn't get the budget, wouldn't have allowed for it, or that they had a scene where Jason killed a dog and it did not go over well.

[1:01:02] So they had to bring him back at the end.

[1:01:04] I wonder if that's what it was.

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:05] I bet there was a sequence where Toby the dog slurped up some toxic waste and turned into like a giant hybrid and then they got in a big fight like a ninja turtle.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:14] That would be pretty good, right?

[1:01:15] Yeah, it just turns into – it was either Toka or Rezar.

[1:01:18] I forget which one of them from Secret of the Ooze was the mammal.

[1:01:21] But then he fights Jason.

[1:01:22] What a movie this could have been.

[1:01:24] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:24] Yeah, more series should do that.

[1:01:25] Their eighth episode.

[1:01:28] Just take a radical shift right in the middle of the film.

[1:01:31] Like, what?

[1:01:31] I guess this is happening now.

[1:01:33] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:34] Toxic waste.

[1:01:34] I love it.

[1:01:35] Animals into animal people.

[1:01:36] So Jason, number nine, is him leading an army of animal people.

[1:01:40] Like he's Dr. Moreau.

[1:01:41] Yeah.

[1:01:42] Played a long game.

[1:01:44] So yeah, we –

[1:01:45] Played a long game.

[1:01:46] It's already the eighth chapter of the series, Dan.

[1:01:48] This is already a long game.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:50] Was this movie totally scarifying?

[1:01:54] Was it totally snorifying or was it frighteningly funny?

[1:01:59] Interpret that how you will.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:02] I hate these categories.

[1:02:03] I feel like every movie we do doesn't fall in them.

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:06] I'm going to say like all Friday the 13th movies, this is good.

[1:02:09] But it's a bit – it's frighteningly funny, I think.

[1:02:14] It's not one of the stronger entries in the series.

[1:02:16] But, you know, I enjoyed it.

[1:02:17] I like it.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:19] Yeah.

[1:02:19] I mean, it's not – it's not totally scarifying.

[1:02:24] But like I didn't – I wasn't necessarily laughing at it.

[1:02:27] It's just that for me, Friday the 13th movies, even though I don't particularly like any individual ones all that much,

[1:02:36] I like them in the aggregate as like a thing.

[1:02:40] And this is not the worst of them.

[1:02:42] There are worse, I think.

[1:02:43] What's the worst one?

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:44] What's the worst one, Dan?

Dan McCoy

[1:02:47] I don't like – I don't like that one where he's not – it's not Jason.

[1:02:52] The first one?

[1:02:53] Oh, part five.

[1:02:53] Yeah.

[1:02:54] Wait, is that – wait.

[1:02:54] But also that one's really dirty.

[1:02:56] So I kind of like that part of it, right?

[1:02:57] That one's pretty dirty, yeah.

[1:02:59] Yeah.

[1:03:01] You like everything except the slasher.

[1:03:03] Part six is good.

[1:03:04] I don't remember liking part three that much.

[1:03:06] Part three that much.

[1:03:07] Yeah, you're right.

[1:03:09] I saw it in 3D and I enjoyed it.

[1:03:11] I think that if you see it just normal style, I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:14] You didn't understand why Jason was using the –

[1:03:16] The yo-yo coming at the screen, yeah.

[1:03:17] I was going to say why Jason stopped to use a ping pong paddle for ten minutes.

Dan McCoy

[1:03:21] Anyway, you know, I kind of liked it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:24] Elliot?

[1:03:25] I would call it mostly – I don't know.

[1:03:29] It's like – I feel like there's a number of different movies going on in this movie.

[1:03:33] Most of it is snorifying to me.

[1:03:35] Some of it is funny.

[1:03:37] The – that one scene, the dance room kill, I think is genuinely scary and well put together.

[1:03:45] And I wish the movie had been like that.

[1:03:46] But to be honest – and I think if the movie was not selling itself as Jason Takes Manhattan,

[1:03:51] it would feel like a better scary movie because them showing up –

[1:03:54] them actually getting to New York would be a twist akin to the end of Dial of Destiny

[1:04:00] where I was like, well, this is not the place I expected this Indiana Jones movie to go to.

[1:04:04] Right.

[1:04:04] You know?

[1:04:05] I think it's a – but I think it's so hard for me to separate it from the idea in my head of what this should be.

[1:04:13] And what it should be is the maniac of New York from Aftershock Comics.

[1:04:16] And so I feel like in a weird way I have defeated this film.

[1:04:20] And so it's hard for me to judge it.

[1:04:22] That's fair.

[1:04:23] As I'm standing atop it with my foot on its neck, daring it to try to get up so I can knock it down again.

[1:04:28] I feel like it's unfair for me to judge it.

[1:04:29] But it's mostly – I feel like mostly boring to me.

[1:04:32] But some of it's funny and some of it could be scary.

[1:04:36] All right.

Dan McCoy

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Stuart Wellington

[1:07:35] We also have a Jumbotron.

[1:07:39] This is a message for Henrik.

[1:07:42] The message is from Henning.

[1:07:44] Alles gute zum vierte 16e Geburtstag, my dear friend.

[1:07:48] Over the years, you have introduced me to many podcasts.

[1:07:52] But this one is by far the dearest to me, as Dan, Elliot, and Stu make me laugh even when times are troubling.

[1:08:00] Here is to many years of friendship and slightly weird parasocial relationships with podcast hosts we both like.

[1:08:07] See you soon.

[1:08:09] Very, very cute.

[1:08:11] Very cute.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:12] Very nice.

[1:08:13] Those Jumbotrons are always very nice.

[1:08:14] How do people get Jumbotrons to wish messages to loved ones on the flophouse?

Dan McCoy

[1:08:18] Go to MaximumFun.org slash Jumbotron.

[1:08:24] That has all happened.

[1:08:25] That has all happened.

[1:08:26] That is all handled over our network.

[1:08:29] MaximumFun at MaximumFun.org slash Jumbotron.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:32] Great.

[1:08:33] We're recording this episode just a few days after our most recent Flop TV episode, Hot Dog and Hamburger.

[1:08:39] It was a lot of fun.

[1:08:40] It was great.

[1:08:41] Now, when you're listening to it, it's a couple weeks later.

[1:08:44] But you can still watch that episode if you missed it.

[1:08:47] How is that possible?

[1:08:48] Do I have to go back in time?

[1:08:49] Do I have to go back in time?

[1:08:51] No, you don't have to.

[1:08:52] Da-da-da-da-da.

[1:08:52] And you don't have to listen to Huey Lewis ever.

[1:08:54] You don't have to do that.

[1:08:56] No one can make you do that.

[1:08:56] Can I, though, if I want to?

[1:08:58] I guess so.

[1:08:59] If you really desire it, then if you want to explore the boundary between pleasure and pain, then yes, of course you can.

[1:09:05] If you buy a season pass to Flop TV, you'll get access to all of our episode recordings.

[1:09:09] We're halfway through the Flop TV season.

[1:09:11] It's a six-episode season.

[1:09:12] There's three more episodes left.

[1:09:14] The next one is the first Saturday in November.

[1:09:16] We're going to be talking about Over the Top.

[1:09:18] It's going to be fun.

[1:09:19] Go to theflophouse.simpleticks.com for tickets and to find out what other movies we're doing and to watch those old recordings.

[1:09:26] It'll be exciting.

[1:09:27] Please enjoy it.

[1:09:28] We've been hearing great stuff from audiences.

[1:09:30] We've been having a lot of fun doing them.

[1:09:31] And we hope you enjoy it, too.

[1:09:33] And I also want to mention, as I did last episode, I have a comic book out from Dynamite Comics.

[1:09:39] It's called Hades.

[1:09:40] It is a miniseries starring Hades, the villain from Disney's Hercules.

[1:09:44] And it's a heist story.

[1:09:46] He's trying to steal the Golden Fleece.

[1:09:47] He assembles a team of Greek mythological characters.

[1:09:49] And then he's up against other Greek mythological characters.

[1:09:52] It's super fun and funny.

[1:09:53] It's a fun adventure.

[1:09:54] The first two issues are out.

[1:09:55] Issue number three comes out October 25th, which is around the time this episode comes out.

[1:10:02] So go to your local comic book store and ask them for Hades from Dynamite Comics written by me, Ellie Kalen, from the Flophouse.

[1:10:11] His voice gets very high.

[1:10:13] Sometimes.

[1:10:15] Like this.

Stuart Wellington

[1:10:19] Hi, I'm Stacey Molsky, director of business operations.

S4

[1:10:28] And I'm here with my fellow worker owner.

S5

[1:10:30] Richard Roby, producer.

[1:10:32] This week for Co-Optober, we'll be highlighting other co-ops who work in the arts.

S4

[1:10:36] The past few years have been challenging for all kinds of creative industries.

[1:10:40] We at MaxFun believe that co-ops are better suited to meet these challenges.

[1:10:44] And there are a lot of other companies who feel the same way.

S5

[1:10:47] So all this week on our social media and website, we'll be sharing interviews with some of our fellow co-ops.

S4

[1:10:52] And head to our YouTube channel, Friday, October 20th, where we'll be talking with worker owners from Defector and Stocksy about their co-ops and why the model works for them.

S5

[1:11:01] And next week is volunteer week.

[1:11:03] Learn how you can participate in that and get details on exclusive merch, our live streams, and other Co-Optober happenings at MaximumFun.org slash Co-Optober.

S4

[1:11:12] That's C-O-O-P-T-O-B-E-R.

S6

[1:11:17] All right, class. Tomorrow's exam will cover the science of perfect pitch, the history of pride flags, and speed running video games.

[1:11:24] Any questions? Ah, yes. You in the back.

S4

[1:11:27] Uh, what is this?

[1:11:29] It's the podcast Let's Learn Everything.

S6

[1:11:32] Where we learn about science and a bit of everything else.

S4

[1:11:34] My name's Tom. I studied cognitive and computer science, but I'll also be your teacher for intermediate emojis.

S6

[1:11:39] My name's Caroline, and I did my master's in biodiversity conservation, and I'll be teaching you intro to things the British Museum stole.

S4

[1:11:46] My name's Ella. I did a PhD in stem cell biology, so obviously I'll be teaching you the history of fan fiction.

[1:11:52] Class meets every other Thursday on Maximum Fun.

[1:11:55] So do I still get credit for this?

[1:11:58] No.

[1:11:59] Obviously not.

[1:12:00] No.

[1:12:01] It's a podcast.

Dan McCoy

[1:12:03] Okay.

[1:12:04] Why don't we put that behind us, and we'll talk letters from listeners.

[1:12:12] We get some letters from listeners like you.

[1:12:15] And we like to answer them here on the Flophouse.

[1:12:18] This first letter is from Sean, last name spookily withheld.

[1:12:24] Ooh.

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:25] How do you withhold something spookily?

[1:12:27] Like, you do people like, oh, you can't have it.

[1:12:29] Maybe a ghost did it.

Dan McCoy

[1:12:32] Happy Shocktober.

[1:12:34] In honor of the spooky season and my need to reduce the movies in my watch list, I've been binging the Psycho sequels with my boyfriend,

[1:12:41] having only learned about them from a friend of mine last year.

[1:12:44] Your mileage may vary, but I, for one, absolutely adore the second and third,

[1:12:48] not only because it has more characters, more twists and turns,

[1:12:51] but because Anthony Perkins seemed to really be working through his issues with his own mother in these films.

[1:12:57] So much so, he took the reins on three and didn't cop out for the happy ending the original screenwriter had in mind for Norman,

[1:13:04] choosing instead a more authentic direction.

[1:13:07] My hot take?

[1:13:08] The sequels are more interesting than the original Psycho, a movie I like.

[1:13:12] That's very hot.

[1:13:12] I can't go that far, but I do like those.

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:14] That's an incredibly hot take.

Dan McCoy

[1:13:15] I do like two or three.

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:17] I would almost say maybe you could say more interesting, but you can't say as good.

[1:13:22] I don't know.

Dan McCoy

[1:13:23] Depends on your mileage.

[1:13:24] Sean keeps on.

[1:13:26] We also recently watched the Scanner sequel and had a blast.

[1:13:29] More gore, more wild choices, and a gritty, grubby quality that VHS can truly capture.

[1:13:36] We have an extensive VHS collection.

[1:13:39] Though I will always prefer Cronenberg's work.

[1:13:41] The preferred format.

[1:13:43] Well, for certain things, it adds a little something.

[1:13:46] Yeah.

[1:13:48] I will always prefer Cronenberg's work and the original more.

[1:13:51] I was surprised I don't hate this movie.

[1:13:55] My questions for you all are...

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:56] That was the name of Roger Ebert's collection of reviews, right?

[1:14:00] I was surprised I don't hate, hate, hate, hate, hate this movie.

Dan McCoy

[1:14:03] Yeah.

[1:14:04] I mean, with Roger, you probably should have been that surprised.

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:06] He didn't like things.

[1:14:07] He did mostly tend to like things.

Dan McCoy

[1:14:09] My questions for you all are, are there any sequels or legacy sequels, prequels that you enjoy as much, if not more, than the original?

[1:14:18] And can you recall a time a movie meant more to you because of knowledge and or context about the filmmaker?

[1:14:25] Keep flopping in the free world, Sean.

[1:14:29] I got to think about the second part of that, which I think is actually one of the more interesting parts of the question.

[1:14:34] But for the first part, legacy sequel-wise, I've never been much of a Blade Runner guy.

[1:14:39] I think it's beautiful.

[1:14:41] I see all the stuff that's iconic about it that has been taken by other movies.

[1:14:50] And I think Rutger Hauer is great in it.

[1:14:52] And there's some other great supporting performances.

[1:14:55] But I find it a little inert as a narrative.

[1:14:57] But I remember really enjoying the Denis Villeneuve Blade Runner 2046.

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:06] Like, there's the obvious one.

[1:15:09] The Elephant in the Room, Mad Max Fury Road.

[1:15:12] Ah, yes.

[1:15:13] Yeah, it's great.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:14] It's great.

[1:15:14] It's the rare one where you're like, oh, I feel like the thing I thought he achieved in the previous movies in the series, he has finally achieved.

[1:15:23] Like, he finally got there.

[1:15:24] And I didn't even know he wasn't there yet.

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:26] I feel like the tough thing, I don't know about you guys, but I feel like the tough thing with a lot of sequels is if I was introduced to the movies after a bunch of sequels had already come out, I'm kind of, like, I'm softer on certain sequels because they were the first movie I was exposed to.

[1:15:42] So, like, I like, you know, Police Academy 2 just as much as Police Academy.

[1:15:51] High praise indeed.

[1:15:52] No, I'm just joking.

[1:15:53] I mean, but do you understand, like, for instance, you know, like Empire Strikes Back, I like as much if not more than A New Hope.

Elliott Kalan

[1:16:02] So, I would say the, I guess that's sequels or legacy sequels.

[1:16:05] And when I was thinking about this, I was really only thinking about legacy ones as opposed to direct sequels.

[1:16:10] Because it's like, there's ones, like, I love Bride of Frankenstein more than Frankenstein.

[1:16:14] As much as I love Gremlins, Gremlins 2 is, like, a special movie to me in a way that Gremlins isn't the same way.

[1:16:20] But there are a number of them where it feels like it's a, I feel like the sequel is, like, if it's the same guiding force and they're, like, trying a new thing, it can be really exciting.

[1:16:32] But I was thinking about, like, when there's a long time between.

[1:16:36] And I think, like, I think I like Creed more than I like Rocky.

[1:16:40] Oh, okay.

[1:16:41] I think it benefits a lot from the history that's in it.

[1:16:46] And also, I find Rocky to be kind of like, in some ways, it's kind of like a, I don't know, like a stumbly movie.

[1:16:55] It's kind of wandering around a little bit in that 70s way.

Stuart Wellington

[1:16:58] And I feel like Stallone is a better actor at this point in his career.

[1:17:03] Now that he was then.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:04] Yes.

Stuart Wellington

[1:17:04] And I would argue Ryan Coogler, probably a better director than Stallone directed.

[1:17:10] Not the first one.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:12] Stallone.

[1:17:12] It didn't direct.

[1:17:13] John G.

[1:17:14] Avildsen.

[1:17:14] Yeah.

[1:17:15] Or Avildsen.

[1:17:15] I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:16] And there's something about, maybe it's just that it speaks to me more.

[1:17:20] There's something about the story about a son trying to deal with the relationship that he had or didn't have with his father.

[1:17:26] It means more to me than, like, a guy who's a loser and wants to stop being a loser, you know?

[1:17:31] Yeah.

[1:17:32] But the other one that comes to mind for me is how much I loved Shin Godzilla.

[1:17:37] And I don't know if I like it more than the original or enjoy it more than the original.

[1:17:43] But I remember seeing it and I was like, oh, I'm feeling the same thing that I felt when I finally got to see the original Godzilla in its uncut Japanese form.

[1:17:52] You know?

Dan McCoy

[1:17:53] Yeah.

[1:17:55] I've been thinking about the second part of the question.

[1:17:57] Theme-wise, this is much harder for me.

[1:18:00] I'm sure that there's something out there.

[1:18:02] But I do, you know, what occurred to me were cases where I'm more forgiving of a movie because I know of what it took to make it.

[1:18:10] Like, there's so many later career Orson Welles movies where you're like, well, this is not great.

[1:18:17] But to know, like, all of the extraordinary problems he was dealing with and how he had to cobble together stuff and trick stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:28] Like, Children of Paradise is an amazing movie.

[1:18:31] But when you know that, like, they were making this movie in France on a very big scale during the occupation, like during World War II and how difficult it was just to, like, live during that time.

[1:18:39] You're like, this is astounding.

[1:18:40] Like, I can't believe this movie exists, you know?

[1:18:42] Yeah.

[1:18:43] But you're saying, Dan, that the—

[1:18:44] Oh, no.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:44] I mean, that was basically—you know, there's so many sort of tricks that are used to make those movies more impressive than they would have been in far lesser hands that it helps forgive the genuine roughness that also is still there.

Stuart Wellington

[1:19:01] Well, and the—

[1:19:02] Oh, sorry.

[1:19:02] We didn't say Stu.

[1:19:03] I was going to say, or like something like Defy Bloods where you—we only learned after it was released that Chadwick Boseman was, you know, dying of cancer.

[1:19:13] And it makes the movie so much more poignant.

[1:19:15] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:16] The—this is not quite as poignant as that, but, like, Peter Jackson's early movies I find are more meaningful to me knowing the passion that he put into it and the persistence where it was like, yeah, I'll spend every weekend for years working on this movie and making it home.

[1:19:30] And so something that is kind of like a fun, you know, fun, energetic splatterfest becomes like, oh, this is someone who loves making movies so much that they basically turned—made it their life and their time.

[1:19:43] Yeah.

[1:19:43] You know, but also the—I mentioned during our last Flop House—during our last Flop TV, I made the somewhat bold statement that Shannon Shweed is no Marlena Dietrich.

[1:19:58] You know, I went out on a limb when I said that, and I was always a fan of Marlena Dietrich's work.

[1:20:04] But when I learned about her life and how she essentially cut herself off from her home country during World War II because she was like, Germany is bad right now.

[1:20:13] Like, Germany is wrong.

[1:20:14] I am now going—I'm going to throw myself into the anti-Nazi war effort, which there are many people who would not be able to, I think, make that decision.

[1:20:23] And so seeing her movies from the, like, late 30s and then into the 40s and knowing that, like, she had made this abrupt kind of cut in her life in order to stand on those principles makes me, like, you know, appreciate those movies more in a certain way.

[1:20:39] You know, that she is—just by making those movies, she's taking a certain kind of stand, you know.

[1:20:44] That's exciting about it.

Dan McCoy

[1:20:46] Good question.

[1:20:48] There's another letter.

[1:20:49] I almost forgot.

[1:20:51] It's from Peter, last name withheld.

[1:20:53] Peter Jackson.

[1:20:54] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:55] Hi, Peaches.

[1:20:56] I hear you talking about my movies.

[1:20:58] I can't do it.

[1:20:58] I can't do the accent.

[1:20:59] I can't do it right.

[1:21:00] Oh, no.

[1:21:00] Wow, we got Lobo Morunga in here with us.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:04] Hey, Peaches.

[1:21:06] I've been meaning to ask and was reminded because of a Ghoulies episode for a book recommendation.

[1:21:10] I love The Muppets and was wondering if you'd be able to recommend any biographies of Jim Henson or behind-the-scenes or histories of The Muppets books.

[1:21:17] I've come across a few articles here and there about, say, the making of The Muppet, Christmas Carol.

[1:21:21] But I don't know of the books.

[1:21:24] Maybe I haven't been looking.

[1:21:25] Any chance you have recommendations?

[1:21:27] I have –

[1:21:28] Stu, this is right up your alley.

[1:21:29] Why don't you know this one?

[1:21:30] I have recommendations.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:32] Yeah, the puppets.

Stuart Wellington

[1:21:33] Those are the puppets.

[1:21:34] That's the puppet guy?

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:37] You're like, I think Puppet Master, the movie, is about Jim Henson, right?

[1:21:41] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:44] Oh, towering above, I would say, is Jim Henson by Brian J. Jones, which is a long biography of the man.

[1:21:55] And it is really, really good.

[1:21:58] I tore through it.

[1:22:00] And every once in a while, I'm like, I really got to read that again.

[1:22:02] It was so good.

[1:22:04] I would also recommend Imagination Illustrated, which is like art that was taken from Jim Henson's journal.

[1:22:14] And Of Muppets and Men by Christopher Finch, which is about the making of The Muppet Show.

[1:22:19] I think it's out of print, but you could probably track it down at your local library.

[1:22:25] Sorry for hogging that one.

[1:22:28] I just, you know, I'm like, I'll write down some books.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:32] No, that's, I mean, that is a layup for a Dan.

[1:22:34] That's a layup Dan McCoy question right there.

[1:22:37] Yeah, yeah.

[1:22:37] I'd be like asking, like being like, hey, Peaches, tell me about Warhammer stuff.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:43] I didn't mention this one, but do you have any, Ellie?

[1:22:45] Because I know that you're also a big fan.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:47] No, none that you haven't mentioned already.

[1:22:50] Okay.

[1:22:51] I feel like there's a, there's a, I feel like it's hard because with Muppet stuff, there's like coffee table book type things.

[1:22:59] Yeah.

[1:22:59] But they don't really get you into the, into the, into the depths of it the way that you want to get the things.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:06] There's also a book called The Muppet Show Book, which is just like basically the first season of the show, like illustrated out, which is like beautiful.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:16] It's like a comic book version of the, of the episodes kind of.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:19] Yeah.

[1:23:20] I'm amazed that they put so much work into it because it's so many pictures just illustrating painstakingly like bits from the episodes.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:28] But it makes sense.

[1:23:29] Like storyboards or?

[1:23:32] No, it's like, it's like if you did a children's picture book that was verbatim episodes of The Muppets.

[1:23:38] Yeah.

[1:23:39] But it's a, but it's a, but it's a, you know, that book came out when like you couldn't get the Muppet show on DVD or video or something like that.

[1:23:46] You know, that was the same way that comic book adaptations of movies used to serve a real purpose because you could not go see that movie again.

[1:23:54] You know?

Dan McCoy

[1:23:54] Yeah, because your mom wouldn't take you to Cool World and you needed to see what Hollywood do.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:00] So you would, you would buy the, you see it by the DC adaptation of Cool World, I guess.

[1:24:04] Yeah.

[1:24:05] Where a Green Lantern shows up in the middle.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:09] Let's round this episode out with some recommendations of, you know, even if we're fond of Jason Takes Manhattan, maybe there's better movies out there.

[1:24:18] I don't think so.

[1:24:19] Probably not.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:20] Probably not.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:23] I did a rewatch of Alien Resurrection, a movie that I liked a lot better now than I, I mean, like I liked it okay at the time.

[1:24:33] But I think I would, you know, the problem with sequels is you're always chasing that first high and like there's not going to be another alien or even, or another aliens like in, in my life.

[1:24:49] So Alien Resurrection, I think is a movie that doesn't necessarily work so great as an alien movie per se.

[1:24:58] Like it's so wildly different in tone that that may be off-putting if you like these other things.

[1:25:03] But if you sort of just make a point of taking it on its own terms, it's so cool and weird.

[1:25:09] And it has so many like gloopy grotesqueries.

[1:25:12] It has like a lot of, I found on rewatch, genuine like emotional heft and themes that I wasn't expecting.

[1:25:22] Like I kind of just zipped over them the first time.

[1:25:26] And also a lot more vibes between Winona Ryder and Sigourney Weaver than I remembered from watching it when I was younger and maybe didn't understand such things as well.

[1:25:37] But it was a lot of fun to revisit that.

[1:25:39] So that's my recommendation.

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:40] I think that's a good recommendation.

[1:25:41] I mean, I liked that movie when I saw it in the theaters.

[1:25:44] And I would never, I understand why people were upset it wasn't too alien-y enough.

[1:25:48] Yeah.

[1:25:48] But I could never quite understand how quickly perception formed around like, this is dumb.

[1:25:53] She plays basketball.

[1:25:54] Like there's a lot of things that they're like funny, fun, like crazy things, you know?

[1:25:58] Yeah.

[1:25:58] Like that whole scene where the aliens are swimming and they're like, oh, their tails are really good at moving in the water.

[1:26:03] Like it's, there's a lot of neat, crazy stuff in it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:06] I feel like that's one thing that I like about the Alien franchise outside of the Alien versus Predators is how like every one of those movies is so different and weird.

[1:26:16] Like I kind of don't like, yeah, you're not going to get what you expect because they're all different, dude.

[1:26:21] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:22] No, it's, it's an, it's like an auteur series in a way that other ones aren't often.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:27] I'm including, I'm including Prometheus in here.

[1:26:30] I'm, yeah.

[1:26:31] Actually, I've never seen Alien Covenant.

[1:26:33] So I should probably watch that.

[1:26:34] It's fine.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:35] To be fair, I started watching it and I've, I found it, I was just kind of bored by it, but I never finished it.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:40] I think it's, you know, it's him being like, okay, you're mad at me for making Prometheus here.

[1:26:46] Here's your goddamn Alien movie.

[1:26:48] Like it's still got a little bit of Prometheus sprinkled in it, but it feels like him retreating to something he thinks that people want in a way that bugged me.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:59] I'll check it out though.

[1:27:00] Whatever.

[1:27:01] I'm going to recommend a horror movie from earlier this year, late last year.

[1:27:06] I don't remember.

[1:27:07] It's a horror comedy called The Blackening.

[1:27:10] It is, I guess it airs more on the side of a comedy than horror movie, but it's like part home invasion movie.

[1:27:17] And it's about a group of college friends who reunite for a Juneteenth party at an Airbnb and things go badly or well.

[1:27:27] It depends on how you look at it.

[1:27:29] And it's really funny.

[1:27:30] It features a performance by a former coworker of Dan's, ex Mayo, who is great in it.

[1:27:37] Yeah.

[1:27:38] I thought it was a lot of fun.

[1:27:40] And it was nice and silly.

[1:27:44] And there were some decent horror bits.

[1:27:47] But yeah, it was a good time.

Dan McCoy

[1:27:49] Off of that quick, I want to say, I went to see the George Lucas talk show at the Bell House in Brooklyn last night.

[1:27:57] And ex Mayo, mentioned before, was the guest.

[1:28:01] You know, like I was like, oh, I'll see Griffin do a show and I'll see ex Mayo.

[1:28:06] And she took over the show.

[1:28:07] She took over the show in the most hilarious way.

[1:28:11] She does not know that much at all about Star Wars, but was aggressive about it in a hugely funny way.

[1:28:20] Not like this is stupid, but she's like, I'm going to learn about everything tonight.

[1:28:24] And it was, I think those things are archived online.

[1:28:27] So if you can check it out somewhere.

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:29] Yeah, I think at lucasfilm.org.

[1:28:32] Yeah.

[1:28:34] On the Wookieepedia.

[1:28:37] I am going to, I had two movies I was choosing between for recommending today.

[1:28:41] One of them was a horror movie and one was not.

[1:28:43] And I'm going to go with the horror movie because it's October.

[1:28:47] For as it's known, horror scares-tober.

[1:28:52] This is a movie that, I don't know why it took me this long to watch it.

[1:28:55] I remember seeing the trailers when it first came out.

[1:28:57] I wanted to see it.

[1:28:58] I never got around to it, but I finally did.

[1:28:59] And that's Revenous starring Guy Pearce and Robert Carlyle.

[1:29:04] And it is, for anyone not familiar, it is a period film.

[1:29:07] It's set in the 18, the Wikipedia says the, it actually doesn't even like it.

[1:29:14] It's right after the Mexican-American War.

[1:29:15] So it must be the 1850s, you know.

[1:29:17] And Guy Pearce is a, someone who was traumatized by his experience in the war and has been sent

[1:29:23] to a frontier fort, but there's not a lot of people there.

[1:29:27] It's really a place, a dull place where it's mostly winter.

[1:29:30] And then a man stumbles in, Robert Carlyle, saying that he has escaped from a cannibal.

[1:29:35] And he, it turns out as the thing goes on that you assume Robert Carlyle's in this movie.

[1:29:40] He's probably the bad guy.

[1:29:41] Yes, of course.

[1:29:42] And it's a, it's a fun kind of somewhat gory kind of cannibal, vampire-ish movie.

[1:29:49] Yeah.

[1:29:50] And it's just, it was, I just thought it was super fun.

[1:29:53] And it was a movie that does not take its period setting too seriously, but it does have something

[1:30:00] to say about that period.

[1:30:01] Like it is trying to make a connection between cannibal bloodshed and that, and this constant

[1:30:07] appetite for human flesh and America's push westward and what it did to the people in the

[1:30:13] way.

[1:30:14] And it was, I don't know, but I also enjoyed it just as kind of like a, a relative, this

[1:30:20] is a weird thing to say about it, but a really decatively kind of like light horror movie that

[1:30:24] it's not too, for a movie about cannibalism, it's not super grim and has fun and eventually

[1:30:30] it gets a little too action-y.

[1:30:31] But, but it's fun to see these characters chewing the scenery and each other.

Stuart Wellington

[1:30:37] Whoa, bit of a campy rump.

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:40] Mm-hmm.

[1:30:40] And the score is really good.

[1:30:42] Yeah, the camp.

[1:30:43] A lot.

[1:30:43] So that's Ravenous.

[1:30:44] And I'm looking at the poster for it now, which is maybe the worst movie poster I've ever seen

[1:30:48] in my life.

[1:30:49] So it's not a surprise to me that it's not a hugely successful movie.

Stuart Wellington

[1:30:52] I don't know, most of Marvel movies have something to say about it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:54] So this is, it says, Ravenous says, you are who you eat.

[1:30:56] And it's just a big kind of blurry picture of a mouth.

[1:30:58] It's very 90s.

[1:31:00] It's a very 90s poster.

[1:31:01] Sounds great, actually.

[1:31:02] And it tells you nothing about the movie.

[1:31:04] It doesn't show you who's in it.

[1:31:05] Whereas a Marvel poster, it shows you every single person in the movie, even the ones that

[1:31:09] you're not supposed to know are in the movie yet, and lists all of their names, almost

[1:31:13] like the index of a book.

[1:31:14] Oh, yeah.

[1:31:15] In order of influence on the studio, you know.

Dan McCoy

[1:31:19] Yeah, Elliot, I would say you undersold how bad this poster is.

[1:31:22] Because it like, it has this like CGI, like cloud background that looks like a magic eye

[1:31:29] painting.

Elliott Kalan

[1:31:29] It feels like they're going really hard for kind of like a nine inch nails visual aesthetic

[1:31:34] in a way.

[1:31:35] Yeah.

[1:31:35] And it's a terrible poster.

[1:31:37] But anyway, but it's a real fun movie.

[1:31:38] So that's Ravenous.

[1:31:40] Don't get confused with Gribbonous, which is a food that's not healthy for you, much like

[1:31:46] being cannibal.

[1:31:46] But you got to try it.

[1:31:47] That's the thing.

[1:31:48] Oh, wow.

[1:31:49] That's a terrible poster.

Dan McCoy

[1:31:52] Elliot laid a time bomb that went off at different times for both of us.

[1:31:56] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:31:57] That's not the one I remember.

[1:31:58] I remember the one that has like, looks like a knife edge and Guy Pearce and Robert Carlyle.

[1:32:04] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:05] I remember that one too.

[1:32:06] It was a better.

[1:32:06] Let me look that one up.

[1:32:07] Let me see if I can find that one.

[1:32:08] I mean, it's not that good either, but at least.

[1:32:10] No, of course not.

Stuart Wellington

[1:32:11] It's not like what happens when you, if you go to fear.com.

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:17] That one, that one is a lackluster poster, but at least it shows you the faces of the

[1:32:20] people who are in it.

[1:32:21] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:22] Well, that's another Shocktober for the books.

[1:32:25] Shocktober 2023, 80 style.

[1:32:29] Who knows?

[1:32:30] We may do more flashback months in the future, but well, I mean, actually the next movie is

[1:32:36] going to be a flashback, but not because we're doing it for strike reasons.

[1:32:40] anymore, but because our special guests asked for it.

[1:32:44] Requested it, yeah.

[1:32:45] Do you want to say anything about that, Elliot?

[1:32:46] Why don't you just reveal the info?

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:49] That's right.

[1:32:49] Our next, we will of course have a mini after this episode, but our next full episode will

[1:32:54] feature special guest star, special effects legend in the making, Todd Vaziri, and he has

[1:32:59] chosen Waterworld.

[1:33:01] That's right.

[1:33:01] Kevin's Gate.

[1:33:04] Fishtar, right?

[1:33:05] That's what they also called it.

[1:33:06] Fishtar, yeah.

[1:33:07] The movie that was one of those movies that critics hated right away because it cost a

[1:33:12] lot of money.

[1:33:13] And he's going to talk to us about the special effects in it.

[1:33:15] And that's a movie that I haven't seen since it came out.

[1:33:18] I remember seeing it and thinking it was okay.

[1:33:20] And so I'm curious whether I'm going to like it or even like make it, maybe like it more

[1:33:23] as a throwback.

[1:33:24] And then that was, of course, was followed by The Postman.

[1:33:27] So maybe the episode after that, should we do The Postman?

[1:33:29] I've never seen that.

Dan McCoy

[1:33:30] No, after that, I think Stuart will kill us if we don't finally do Mafia Mama, which he's

[1:33:33] been salivating for.

Elliott Kalan

[1:33:36] And I feel like-

[1:33:37] Mafia Mama.

[1:33:38] And I've been getting a lot of demand from the fans for The Flash.

[1:33:41] So we'll probably have to do that at some point now that the strike is over.

[1:33:44] Yeah.

[1:33:44] But yeah, Mafia Mama.

[1:33:47] Mama Mia.

[1:33:48] Anyway.

[1:33:48] Mama Mia.

[1:33:49] That's all.

[1:33:49] My own.

[1:33:51] That's all.

[1:33:51] Because we didn't get enough New York accent in this one.

[1:33:53] We've got to go after that one.

Dan McCoy

[1:33:55] That's all in the future.

[1:33:57] But for this episode, I would like to thank our network, Maximum Fun.

[1:34:02] Go to MaximumFun.org to check out other great shows on the network.

[1:34:06] I would like to thank our producer, Alex Smith.

[1:34:09] And I would like to think about him, too.

[1:34:11] I'd like to thank he's a friend.

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:13] Think about thanking him and thank about thanking him.

Dan McCoy

[1:34:16] Thank you, Alex, for producing our show.

[1:34:19] You can find his work online under Howl Dottie.

[1:34:24] But for now, for The Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[1:34:27] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:34:29] And I'm Ellie Kalin.

[1:34:30] Bye.

[1:34:31] Hey, I'm Jason over here.

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:39] Fakill about it.

[1:34:41] Hey, fakill about it.

[1:34:45] Oh!

[1:34:46] Oh!

[1:34:48] Jason takes Trenton.

[1:34:51] My old!

[1:34:54] We meant to—oh, this is our mistake.

[1:34:56] We thought we were making Jason Takes Manhattan.

[1:34:57] We were making Jason Takes Manhasset.

[1:34:59] Oh, I'm so sorry.

[1:35:00] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:35:01] I mean, it's shot in Canada, so it could very well be,

[1:35:04] hey, I'm killing over here.

[1:35:06] Oh, sorry.

Elliott Kalan

[1:35:07] Sorry, I killed you.

[1:35:08] Sorry.

[1:35:10] Okay.

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Ep. #407 - Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

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