Ep.#417 - Exorcist: Believer

[0:00] this episode discuss the exorcist colon believer love it or leave it you gotta

[0:06] believe it we watch an exorcist movie bye

[0:30] hey everyone welcome to the flophouse I'm Dan McCoy hey I'm Stuart Wellington

[0:38] I'm Elliot Kalin we're gonna have an interesting show for you today dance on

[0:42] cold medicine one of my kids is home with a cold and Stuart he's just

[0:46] cold-hearted yep look into his eyes oh oh he's been telling lies but I am a

[0:55] lover boy play the thing is the rules I don't play by him no no you're also kind

[1:00] of a jukebox hero right turn in your lover boy badge and gun it would be

[1:08] condoms yes yeah I mean it's it's one of those things is that like an equivalent

[1:13] to like a silencer yeah it's like a silencer for your penis the sound when

[1:18] you because normally when I bust it it's that's crazy yeah it sounds like a

[1:25] like a balloon deflation you sing about it like Ray Parker jr. so it's loud yeah

[1:32] I'm shouting mommy Wow we're not winning any new listeners with the beginning of

[1:40] this episode no this that was the plan for this exorcist

[1:43] believer episode yeah people said I can't wait to hear about this movie that

[1:48] I forgot about existing yeah I'm gonna jump in on a big one a hot one huh this

[1:52] exorcist believer movie sounds good um hey this is a podcast recently added to

[1:58] peacock okay this sounds oh man can't wait to yeah things about the exorcist

[2:03] oh wait let me look at the small type believer oh this is not the one I

[2:07] thought it was I mean if I know anything about streaming and in two years this

[2:10] will be the most inexplicably popular thing ever yeah the procedural based on

[2:15] it and talk about streaming more like screaming cuz this is a horror movie and

[2:18] then what do we do in this podcast uh this is a podcast we watch bad movies

[2:23] and talk about them you know we have a whole whole month devoted to screaming

[2:28] coming up later in the year scream timber we don't need to stick to that

[2:35] for horror movies we realize we can we get a little while the straw man we can

[2:45] have fun once in a while let us have fun once again that Dan has to get rid of

[2:49] his the arch nemesis the straw man who's always making Dan do explanatory

[2:53] advisories and provisos about things no one cares about all right well fuck both

[3:00] of you so okay we watched exorcist the exorcist believer David Gordon Greene

[3:07] was this is not exorcist versus severs assist no no no no but yeah I know you

[3:16] really worth interrupting the sentence I tell us about David Gordon Greene I

[3:21] apologize uh you know he got tired of doing questionable things to the

[3:26] Halloween franchise and decided to move over to another classic of the 70s for

[3:32] yeah yeah I mean not not to throw shade at David Gordon Greene I love a lot of

[3:38] his TV work he has done some really good stuff I just made some very good movies

[3:43] yeah I do not think he has a particular aptitude for horror and he seems to want

[3:48] to do a lot of it he loves horror yeah yeah he has a very he's a very got a

[3:54] very eclectic filmography where he started out doing very kind of like

[3:59] emotion based independent atmospheric independent films he also did pineapple

[4:04] express and your highness and then once he got like drug humor out of a system

[4:07] he was like time to time to go to the horror movies of the 70s I mean he also

[4:11] made like Joe he's made a number of like a different way if you look at like

[4:16] Robert Wise to find a more you know all over the place filmography you know I

[4:21] try not to be mean on this show and I don't I'm not trying to be mean here

[4:24] like I think he's done great work it's just mostly not in horror which is what

[4:29] he's turned his hand to like even though even the first Halloween new movie which

[4:34] everyone was pretty high on I was like yeah this is fine like I like it as a

[4:41] cap off to the movies that I liked from a long time ago this is a nice little

[4:47] ending and then of course it was successful so they made more of them

[4:50] exactly that one guys I hate to interrupt I just got a text message from

[4:54] one of my beer reps yeah and it says by all means he says hey just a heads up

[4:59] it's a Super Bowl week boy I'm gonna roast this guy in the group chat right

[5:05] now okay they're giving out free Super Bowls for National Super Bowl week from

[5:14] way okay sorry for interrupting so we've we've we just covered that Dave and

[5:23] Gordon Greene's horror movies aren't very good right and that they're all

[5:26] like dredging up nostalgia bait bullshit yeah yeah I mean I mean you say that

[5:31] just now oh oh yeah I just did do you guys disagree are you like no I like it

[5:36] when they bring back they do legacy quills and bring back people from the

[5:39] original movies and have them kind of do fan fiction II type shit and also like

[5:44] are kind of disrespected by the movie that I mean to me to me I haven't I

[5:48] actually haven't seen any of his Halloween movies because I just figured I

[5:51] don't need to but I seen the Rob zombies that's all you need is that I saw the

[5:56] originals you jumped into your dracula you went to the movie I got into my

[6:04] month my hopped up homemade monster car but yeah the but I in general I am NOT a

[6:12] huge fan of the legacy sequel trend which I guess did Tron legacy start that

[6:17] or is it something else that started it I mean I feel like I feel like Matt

[6:21] Singer coined legacy quills so I'll just shoot him a text after the show and he'll

[6:25] give us all the info and when he's done when he's done killing himself with the

[6:28] menu of the what what the the Barbie themed Denny's menu he'll meet you I

[6:35] think he already did that and he did though it was a Wonka Denny's menu that

[6:38] was particularly horrifying but I don't know what's what's next what other like

[6:43] is there gonna be a dune menu or eat like a fucking bowl of sand or some

[6:47] sand and worms yeah the big Denny's drive away dolls yeah yeah the love lies

[6:54] bleeding special menu work of the Coen's he's sitting in Applebee's right now

[7:01] having the Applebee's our guile-a-thon menu it's just cat food food and bags

[7:09] yeah I don't know tell us about this movie stir why don't you oh yeah let's

[7:15] fire this fucker up so what's wrong you guys you've seen The Exorcist before

[7:19] right the original one and we did The Exorcist 2 for a live streaming show I

[7:24] think that's one that's available on YouTube for those who want to check it

[7:28] out before we get to the movie I just want to say I like that first Exorcist

[7:31] movie that's a really good movie that's just yeah and it's a movie that I mean

[7:36] we'll get into maybe my theological problems with these sorts of films later

[7:42] on but it's a movie that I think sort of weaponizes the fact that we live in a

[7:49] secular world for the horror of like this unexplained thing happening better

[7:57] than like you know possession movies that came afterwards that kind of like

[8:03] assume like yeah we all buy into this cosmology of the universe the tentacle

[8:10] monster I get it yeah it's a possession movie technically I'm correct you

[8:16] technically correct possession is a movie about a woman having sex with a

[8:18] tentacle monster it is I mean as much as I like The Exorcist so on I'm on the

[8:23] scoreboard should we as much as I like The Exorcist I do like possession more I

[8:30] mean possession is a scarier movie that that goes straight into my veins more

[8:34] than more than The Exorcist but The Exorcist is still very good. I guess I'm saying that The Exorcist takes like kind of like mainstream a

[8:42] mainstream major American religion and makes it seem horrifying in a way that

[8:49] like other movies I of this ilk I think asked me to buy into something that

[8:56] maybe I don't necessarily want to like that there's all these like supernatural

[9:01] things going on all the time and we need the church to save us anytime you watch

[9:06] him one of these movies you have to suspend your disbelief that the devil

[9:09] does not exist but I've watched so many movies where I have to I mean Dan I

[9:13] hate to break it to you Wookiees are not real either no I know I knew that you

[9:17] were gonna make this argument and my rebuttal to it is like with like that

[9:22] Wookiees are real Dan I didn't want you to have to find out this way that's not

[9:25] a hairy guy you know with vampires like I'm not saying that there's no one out

[9:30] there who like believes that they exist you know like there's someone there's

[9:35] some goth person wearing a frilly velvet robe right now and good on you for

[9:40] believing in vampires but like a person yeah he's gonna be crushing out a solo

[9:45] black metal record I'm just saying that like with that I don't have to deal with

[9:49] the fact that there are a bunch of people in real life that believe this

[9:54] shit and it leads them to do a lot of stuff that I don't agree with yes well

[9:58] I think you're right about

[10:00] In the original Exorcist, I think they walk that line pretty well because they really only talk about the devil or not devil aspects of the church.

[10:07] Whereas this episode, they start to talk about abortion at one point in a way that I was like,

[10:11] mm-hmm, this is getting into, this movie is taking on water that it cannot hold.

[10:16] Yeah, well, thank you.

[10:17] Yeah, my only problem with the original Exorcist is I feel like it's a little cliched to cast Max von Sydow in the movie because you know that dude's going to be the bad guy, right?

[10:26] Stuart, I hate to break it to you.

[10:28] That's the one movie that Ingmar Bergman didn't make where Max von Sydow's not the bad guy.

[10:32] Wait a minute. I thought he played a Catholic priest and you're saying he's not the bad guy?

[10:38] Once again, Stuart's history of leftist secular politics is neoliberal anarchism.

[10:47] Neoliberal is basically conservative.

[10:49] You would be what, a...

[10:51] I don't know, progressive?

[10:54] I describe myself as a classic stinker.

[10:56] I'm just amazed.

[10:58] We've like barely ever used the scoreboard before.

[11:02] Oh man, tearing it up.

[11:04] Tearing it up, we go, man, it's on fire.

[11:06] We'll have the storage unit.

[11:08] Amazingly, in this year's presidential debates, the stinker party got enough votes for Stuart to be on the debate stage.

[11:15] It's a problem though because I'm such a force of personality that when I leave, my other stinkers, they just don't have my same level of charm.

[11:22] So they won't be able to hold off.

[11:24] Yeah, that's what leads to January stinks.

[11:26] Oh no.

[11:28] Thanks, Elliot. Thanks for telegraphing the future.

[11:30] So, boom.

[11:32] Exorcist. Believer.

[11:34] The movie. First off, guys.

[11:36] Believer.

[11:38] Who's the believer in this movie? Think about it.

[11:40] Well, maybe you can answer after the movie.

[11:43] There's a couple different people who could be the believer and we're talking about belief in it.

[11:47] It was only after the movie was over that I was like, oh, I guess the title is about different types of belief.

[11:55] It just felt like such a generic title going into it that I didn't really think about it until it was over.

[12:00] So the movie opens in Haiti.

[12:03] Our characters are Victor and Soren, who are, I believe, a married couple.

[12:10] He's pregnant. He's a photographer.

[12:12] It actually opens with him taking photos of dogs fighting and I'm like, oh, what's this representing?

[12:18] And I guess we'll find out later.

[12:20] And Victor is played by Leslie Odom Jr., who I know Stuart and I have seen him on stage.

[12:26] Dan, you must have. You saw the original Hamilton cast, right?

[12:28] I also saw him on stage and he is the main thing keeping this movie from flying off the rails completely.

[12:35] He is very good in this movie.

[12:37] Yes, he's very good.

[12:40] I want to mention this wasn't just Elliot having seen this person in a play.

[12:43] All three of us have seen this person in a play.

[12:45] Stuart and I went to it together.

[12:47] Yep, holding hands, tears in our eyes.

[12:50] And then we skipped away into the Rainbow Road to Valhalla.

[12:54] Not to jump ahead, but did you also see Norbert Leo Butz on stage?

[12:58] Because I did in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels opposite John Lithgow.

[13:01] Ironically, he is one of the guys who's in a lot of Broadway plays who I think I've never actually seen in a Broadway play.

[13:08] He's one of the dads, the other dad.

[13:10] Okay, so Serene, who I said was pregnant, is still pregnant.

[13:14] She is getting her baby blessed by some local women.

[13:21] And later on, she's like, yeah, these women offered to give a blessing to our unborn baby.

[13:26] I'm like, okay, that's fine.

[13:27] This little boy brought her over there.

[13:29] I'm like, don't follow this little boy. That's how gremlins get into your life.

[13:32] That's how you get a gremlin.

[13:34] Which is technically what they're trying to do.

[13:37] They're trying to bring a little gremlin into being, yeah.

[13:40] And I'll tell you, the same rules apply.

[13:42] Don't feed a kid after midnight. They should be in bed already.

[13:45] Don't get them wet unless they're taking a bath.

[13:48] They don't like to take baths.

[13:49] Kids are sticky enough.

[13:50] Actually, you've got to wipe them off.

[13:52] And don't show them sunlight.

[13:57] Because you want them to be real like pale ghost children who are real spooky.

[14:01] And they look in windows and they scare people walking by.

[14:03] Is there one of the rules, don't shoot them with the electric gremlin?

[14:06] Is that in the rules?

[14:08] That's kind of an unspoken rule.

[14:10] That's going to fuck up your gremlin.

[14:11] Especially not if they're wet.

[14:12] Yeah, it's going to wreck your gremlin.

[14:14] Sometimes you want that to happen.

[14:16] Like one time you wanted that to happen.

[14:18] Also, kids love Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

[14:20] Gremlins love Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

[14:22] Same thing.

[14:24] Yeah, all these rules also apply to my novelty gremlin fleshlight.

[14:29] Now, let's tell us more about this.

[14:32] Well, you can't feed it after midnight.

[14:34] That thing will get fucking crazy.

[14:36] And don't get it wet. You'll break it.

[14:38] Yeah, that's the problem.

[14:40] You've got to clean it.

[14:42] Nothing like a dry J.O. session.

[14:48] And you also don't want to use that in open sunlight.

[14:50] Because people will just look at you weird.

[14:52] Dan says that he's watching our listener numbers deplete rapidly in real time.

[14:57] Somehow in the future, yeah.

[14:59] And it's got the green kind of mottled skin of a gremlin.

[15:03] Yeah, dude.

[15:05] Why else would I buy it?

[15:07] What's wrong with you?

[15:09] What about gremlin-themed fleshlight? Don't you understand?

[15:11] No, you're right.

[15:13] I don't know much about fleshlights.

[15:15] Does it make noise?

[15:17] Well, it makes noise.

[15:19] But it's more like you're mixing macaroni.

[15:25] Dan, you knew we were going to talk about this.

[15:28] This is the Exorcist Believer episode.

[15:30] You're right. It was in the notes.

[15:32] How did I not realize?

[15:34] Yeah, you didn't get the email about what we're covering?

[15:36] Spend ten minutes on fleshlight.

[15:38] It would be...

[15:40] How surprising would it have been

[15:42] if later in the film, Leslie Edelman Jr.

[15:44] is just like, I've got to deal with the fact

[15:46] that my daughter's been possessed by the devil.

[15:48] I've got to get some of this stress out.

[15:50] And I'm like, dog, you have that in the house with children?

[15:52] Because children get into everything.

[15:54] She's going to find that thing.

[15:56] Yeah, that's why you need a safe.

[15:58] You need to put it in a safe.

[16:00] It's like what Dan was complaining about the other day.

[16:02] The double standard our society has

[16:04] on different genders of sex toys.

[16:06] No, well, I mean,

[16:08] everyone should have a sex toy that wants one.

[16:10] I'm pro that, I guess.

[16:12] Okay, so Dan's just thrown in a free ad

[16:14] for sex toys on our podcast.

[16:16] Yeah, the Sex Toy Council.

[16:18] It's just sort of a non-specific

[16:20] booster group.

[16:22] So after like

[16:25] traveling around, checking out a church,

[16:27] there is an earthquake

[16:29] in Haiti, and

[16:31] they are separated, and

[16:33] Victor, played by Leslie Edelman Jr.,

[16:35] finds his wife trapped under rubble.

[16:37] And the rescue workers

[16:39] are like, we can only save her

[16:41] or the baby.

[16:43] And his wife, his dying wife

[16:45] says, you know, protect her.

[16:47] Which is, I guess, the rules

[16:49] that he's going to live by the rest of the movie.

[16:51] And I'd like to say that other than sort of

[16:53] drafting off of a real-life tragedy,

[16:55] for me, this first

[16:57] section is the most successful in the movie.

[16:59] It has

[17:01] atmosphere, it has some tension.

[17:03] I think Green,

[17:05] I want to be clear

[17:07] again, I don't like him.

[17:09] I'm trying to figure out

[17:11] what doesn't work for me about his horror movies

[17:13] because I do think that he is good at atmosphere

[17:15] but maybe bad

[17:17] at tension.

[17:19] Maybe that's part of it. I think it's more of a

[17:21] story problem than it is a production

[17:23] or directing problem.

[17:25] But I will say, I'll give them credit

[17:27] for, I was ready for them to

[17:29] bring in some kind of

[17:31] evil voodoo that the church has to

[17:33] that the priest has to undo, like the baby

[17:35] has been cursed or something.

[17:37] And I was very glad they didn't do that.

[17:39] Luckily that wasn't the case.

[17:41] I feel, Dan, just like

[17:43] off the top of my dome, I think one of the issues

[17:45] at least I have with his Halloween

[17:47] movies is I feel like the

[17:49] point of view feels a little off.

[17:51] I don't know if I'm supposed to be

[17:53] scared for the people

[17:55] that are getting killed or if I should be saying

[17:57] wow, this is cool.

[17:59] I would say that that's a problem with

[18:01] any late period slasher movie

[18:03] though, including many in

[18:05] your beloved Friday the 13th series

[18:07] where I'm like, who am I sympathizing

[18:09] with here? I mean, I'm sympathizing with

[18:11] Jason because he's the man.

[18:13] My internet froze for a sec.

[18:15] Did you guys hear what I was saying about

[18:17] 80 or no? Yeah.

[18:19] And we all agreed with you.

[18:21] And we also said

[18:23] you're the best, you're the funniest guy we know.

[18:25] I appreciate that.

[18:27] I made it on the scoreboard? Great.

[18:29] Dan whipped out a ukulele

[18:31] and sang a little song kind of talking about how great

[18:33] you are.

[18:35] You missed a lot. It happened just

[18:37] outside of the Zoom frame though, so you didn't see it.

[18:39] So, 13

[18:41] years later, what?

[18:43] Who did he choose? Well, we

[18:45] find out because Victor is now living

[18:47] with his daughter Angela, which of course

[18:49] is hilarious. Anytime you have a

[18:51] movie with devils and shit and there's a character named

[18:53] Angela, you're like, oh,

[18:55] good one, good name. But what if

[18:57] you had seen a picture of Judith

[18:59] Light in the house and you're like, oh, she's named

[19:01] after Judith Light's character on Who's the Boss?

[19:03] I mean, I would give this

[19:05] movie a lot more credit at that point.

[19:07] But it's

[19:09] like that old, did you ever see that Ben Stiller

[19:11] show sketch? What is it like?

[19:13] Like hackneyed tales of

[19:15] cliched horror where he plays a

[19:17] where Ben Stiller plays a

[19:19] radio like shock jock

[19:21] who is in hell and he's like

[19:23] he occasionally looks

[19:25] longingly at a photo of his girlfriend

[19:27] named Angela

[19:29] and she calls and tries to tell him to

[19:31] come back. It's funny. It's a good bit.

[19:33] It's a good bit. Okay, so

[19:35] he lives with his daughter. They seem to

[19:37] have a pretty fun relationship.

[19:39] He's a good dad. He's put

[19:41] all of himself into being the

[19:43] father that he needs to be for her since she doesn't

[19:45] have a mother. Other than he is

[19:47] extremely overprotective. He seems

[19:49] to always have her come directly

[19:51] home. Well, his wife

[19:53] did die in an earthquake, Dan.

[19:55] So you think the earthquake's

[19:57] stalking her to finish the job?

[20:00] Quake for the revenge, and now the Earthquake was gonna follow them.

[20:03] I mean, I understand psychologically why he might be overprotective.

[20:07] I'm just saying that that is his flaw as a father, I think.

[20:09] I see. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[20:11] Although, if he had been watching her more closely, maybe she wouldn't have gone into

[20:14] the woods and got possessed by the devil.

[20:17] The devil destruction.

[20:18] Maybe she would have wandered into the hell part of the woods, yeah.

[20:21] So they like play hide and seek a little bit.

[20:23] They argue about vegetarianism.

[20:26] She's like super curious about her mom, but he's very protective about his dead wife's

[20:32] things and is kind of, you know, he keeps things from his daughter.

[20:38] I guess it's out of a sense of his own, like, loss, whatever.

[20:42] At school, Angela meets up with her friend Catherine, and they make plans to sneak out,

[20:49] sneak off into the woods after school and lie to both of their parents so they can go

[20:54] off and do a seance.

[20:57] Angela can talk to her mom.

[20:59] They don't expect anything bad to happen.

[21:01] Their plans are pretty simple.

[21:02] Into the woods, into the woods, into the woods, and home before dark.

[21:07] That's the plan.

[21:08] Yep.

[21:09] Is that a reference to a musical?

[21:11] Oh, wait, very much is.

[21:13] The movie is called...

[21:14] Wait, let me check my notes.

[21:16] Merrily we roll along.

[21:18] Oh, OK, so they find, like, they sneak off into the woods, you know, they made plans

[21:24] like you tell your parents that we're having stovetop at your house and I'll tell my parents

[21:28] we're having stovetop at their house.

[21:30] And so can we talk about that commercial for a moment?

[21:32] I was like, that they are going to go to both houses.

[21:36] So their parents will know at a certain point that they're not actually having dinner at

[21:40] the other house.

[21:41] Right.

[21:42] I would imagine.

[21:43] I think.

[21:44] Yeah.

[21:45] Then.

[21:46] Yeah.

[21:47] Well, what is the story then at that point?

[21:48] Oh, we tried to go over there, but we were cast out by the other parents.

[21:52] I mean, the easiest answer is we ate stovetop there and it was so good.

[21:58] We wanted more.

[21:59] Right.

[22:00] But they're like they're trying to arrange like, can I have dinner at Bobby's house tonight?

[22:02] But then they're going to show up at their house and still have it like, oh, we went

[22:05] to Bobby's house and his parents were had a key party.

[22:08] So we weren't they didn't want us around.

[22:10] Yeah.

[22:11] Yeah.

[22:12] They just weren't invited.

[22:13] What is it close with them?

[22:14] But they didn't invite you.

[22:15] Yeah.

[22:16] What is a key party, by the way?

[22:17] Oh, to shut us up.

[22:18] You're going to shove our mouth full of stovetop stuffing.

[22:20] Yeah.

[22:21] Plan works.

[22:22] Something's getting stuffed at that key party.

[22:23] Plan works like a charm.

[22:24] At home before dark.

[22:26] Okay.

[22:27] So they wander off into the woods.

[22:30] They find like like a ruined foundation of a building and they climb down into the basement

[22:35] and they have their little seance thing.

[22:38] Meanwhile, Leslie Odom Jr. is having a hell of a time with a photo shoot for this family

[22:43] because he's a photographer and he's doing a family photo and this kid just won't behave,

[22:47] which is really, I think, one of the themes of this movie.

[22:50] Kids acting crazy.

[22:51] Yeah.

[22:52] But they also do the damnedest things.

[22:54] Subliminal style, but not really, because they're like not that quick.

[22:59] Shots of like devil faces over the kid for a couple of months of it.

[23:02] I'm like, what is this?

[23:03] It's like it's some devil stuff's going to happen later, Dan, but it doesn't really make

[23:08] sense because the devil is not involved with that kid.

[23:11] But I think it's a different devil because in the exorcist world, there's specific demons

[23:15] with specific names.

[23:17] It's not just the overall Satan devil.

[23:19] So maybe that kid's dealing with some other devil.

[23:21] It's another side movie.

[23:22] Maybe it's the sequel to that.

[23:23] Yeah, it's the trashiest red devil.

[23:24] And maybe it's the movie saying, hey, they bought a ticket for Exorcist, Believer.

[23:31] Maybe they forgot that it's a devil movie.

[23:33] Let's remind them.

[23:34] I think it's a parenting movie up to this point.

[23:36] We got to remind them there's devils in this movie.

[23:37] Check out this problem child.

[23:39] Back home.

[23:40] I mean, this movie could be called Problem Child.

[23:44] The Exorcist could also be the original one could be called that.

[23:47] This could be Problem Child, too, because there's two of them.

[23:52] That's true.

[23:53] It would be funny if the Problem Child movies did at the end turn out that the devil was

[23:56] possessing the kid.

[23:57] But then the kid is so annoying that even the devil is like, I'm out of here, puts on

[24:00] a hat, picks up a suitcase, walks out.

[24:02] Yeah.

[24:03] Yeah.

[24:04] It's the same thing with like the good son that they're like, actually, it was the devil.

[24:07] And also, if you couldn't tell, he was actually the bad son for anyone.

[24:12] I saw the devil.

[24:13] If you weren't paying attention.

[24:14] For anyone who's not clear on the movie, now that you're walking out of theater, he was

[24:18] the bad son.

[24:19] It was ironically titled.

[24:20] Because, you know, there's someone who's like, I don't know why they called it the good son.

[24:23] That son was bad.

[24:24] He was bad.

[24:25] Let me write a letter to my congressman about it.

[24:28] How many like nanas went to that movie being like, I love seeing good sons do good stuff.

[24:33] And then that kid grew up and was like, I can't wait to see Ana de Armas in this movie

[24:37] and then went to see it and was like, how dare they?

[24:39] How dare they tease me with that?

[24:41] I'm going to sue the studio.

[24:43] Dear Better Business Bureau, this son was mislabeled.

[24:48] I would like to send in the unused portion.

[24:53] Sir, you've devoured most of this movie.

[24:57] So, back home in an empty home because his daughter is off having a seance.

[25:04] He is going through, he's like going through the photos for the day and like the lights

[25:08] start to flicker.

[25:09] That's a regular thing as demonic crap happens in this movie.

[25:13] It causes electrical stuff and it caused like a weird distortion effect on his computer monitor

[25:18] and you're like, what happened there?

[25:20] It's like when Sheev Palpatine beams in in that Star Wars movie and his body looks all

[25:24] crazy.

[25:26] Something like that.

[25:29] It is a little bit like, for a moment, the movie turns into Dee Snider's Strangeland

[25:34] for a second.

[25:37] Yeah, this computer is twisted.

[25:38] The demons are like solar flares.

[25:40] I'm just going to fuck with the fields, electrical fields.

[25:44] So, of course, the little girls never come home.

[25:47] The parents quickly cut through the ruse.

[25:50] They call around and figure out that the daughters were lying to them.

[25:54] They realize that they went off into the woods.

[25:57] They are not home before dark.

[25:59] Yep.

[26:00] Victor and then the parents of Catherine all go off into the woods looking for their daughters.

[26:08] Catherine's parents, Catherine is like, her family's more religious.

[26:13] According to the Wikipedia entry, they are Baptist.

[26:15] But yeah, they are church-going folk.

[26:18] And it's Tony and something.

[26:20] I don't remember the mother's name.

[26:22] Tony and Tina from Tony and Tina's Wedding, another New York theatrical tradition.

[26:27] Wait, is that the one where one of them is Italian and one of them is...

[26:31] They're both Italian.

[26:33] No, no, you're thinking of the play, my mother's Italian, my father's Jewish and I'm in therapy.

[26:37] Or maybe it's the other way around, my father's Italian, my mother's Jewish.

[26:40] This one, the joke is just that they're Italian.

[26:43] Can you believe it?

[26:44] Yeah, and also they interact with you.

[26:46] It's like you're a guest at the wedding.

[26:47] This is Tony and Miranda West.

[26:49] Okay.

[26:50] I believe that's her name.

[26:51] So they search the woods.

[26:53] They find some evidence of their daughters like a book pack.

[26:55] A book pack? Bag pack?

[26:57] What am I saying?

[26:58] Bag pack.

[26:59] Do you have a stroke?

[27:00] You really don't have children.

[27:02] That's a word you haven't used in many years.

[27:04] A book pack.

[27:06] What's a book pack?

[27:07] Guys, what's happening to me?

[27:10] What's going on?

[27:11] Oh, am I possessed, I guess?

[27:13] I don't know.

[27:14] I thought it would be me.

[27:15] They've got a pile of books with a belt tied around it.

[27:17] They're hitting a hoop with a stick.

[27:19] They go down, Leslie Adam Jr. goes down into the flooded basement area.

[27:25] Don't say anything gross, Dan.

[27:27] And he finds a...

[27:29] And there's a snake scare, which is nice and refreshing.

[27:33] Cats aren't the only animals that scare people.

[27:35] It's the snake this time.

[27:36] It's refreshing.

[27:37] The snake goes wiggling past and he's like, ah!

[27:39] And then he finds a discarded shoe.

[27:41] What's up with these girls?

[27:43] The parents get in a big fight at the police station.

[27:46] At first, you know, they were working together to find their kids.

[27:49] But now they're like, they don't trust each other.

[27:51] Victor at one point is like, the one thing you need to know about me, I care about my daughter.

[27:56] I'm like, you're not on a fucking reality show, buddy.

[27:58] Like, it's fine.

[27:59] Like, we all assume you care about your daughter if you're here at this point.

[28:03] Yeah, but it's similar to Leave the World Behind.

[28:06] There's a light shading of white couple doesn't trust black guy, black father.

[28:12] And a little bit of like, we're religious, you're not religious.

[28:16] And they're like, we didn't even know your daughter was friends with our daughter.

[28:21] Which he knew who his daughter's friends are.

[28:23] They don't.

[28:24] You know, it's a classic parent conflict stuff in movies.

[28:27] I think also early in the film setup, there is more of a sprinkling of kind of general unneighborliness from people.

[28:36] That kind of indicates that they're sort of isolated a little bit in this suburban community.

[28:41] And it threatens to coalesce into a theme and never really does.

[28:46] It does in a way that – one of the things I like about the movie.

[28:51] I don't like a lot about the movie.

[28:52] One of the things I do like is the general message is not we have to get in an exorcist, a priest, or an authority figure to do this.

[28:58] It is that a community has to come together to try to save these girls.

[29:01] And so early on, their neighbor who the dad is always arguing with.

[29:04] Played by Ann Dowd.

[29:06] Played by Ann Dowd.

[29:07] She's going to come in and help them.

[29:09] The parents are going to hopefully come together, but they don't trust each other at first.

[29:12] So if the movie was kind of better thought through, they could have had a really powerful message about –

[29:18] the thing that stops the devil from taking your children is when there's a community around you that can support you and your family.

[29:24] But they don't quite get there.

[29:26] But I think that's what they're working towards.

[29:28] Well, speaking of that, this argument leads to them arguing about whether or not the girls' disappearance might be related to a nearby transient community.

[29:37] They are worried that the girls have been kidnapped by some people living nearby.

[29:44] And so there's like some elements of that.

[29:47] Leslie Odom Jr. goes to a shelter and interviews some of these people.

[29:52] And there's a little bit of spookiness, but there's not much.

[29:57] Not much. This is almost like – it's less a red herring.

[30:00] airing, which I think it's just like a little cul-de-sac that they go on, and they don't

[30:04] do much with it.

[30:05] It's not really tied to the rest of the thing.

[30:06] And the movie's called The Exorcist Believers, so you know that a homeless person did not

[30:10] kidnap these girls.

[30:11] You know what?

[30:12] The devil's involved.

[30:13] Or a devil.

[30:14] Not the devil.

[30:15] I'm sorry.

[30:16] It's one of many.

[30:17] Yep, it could be one of the New Jersey devils talking for this time, it's some other thing.

[30:23] I do think that this is like a sequel thing of we are taking a direct page from the first

[30:30] one and we're going to spend the first half of the movie kind of trying to ground this

[30:36] in a very realistic world.

[30:41] And as far as it goes, I won't say it doesn't work, because honestly, the first half of

[30:48] the movie is the part that works best for me.

[30:51] But on the other hand, this many movies into an Exorcist series, you're not like, I wonder

[30:56] if this girl's really possessed or not.

[31:00] And also, especially because pretty much not too long after this, every character just

[31:04] goes all in on demon possession.

[31:06] Exactly.

[31:07] Yep, we got it.

[31:08] You know what?

[31:10] We thought they might have run away.

[31:11] We thought a homeless person might have kidnapped them.

[31:13] Those are the only two options.

[31:14] So I guess it has to be a devil.

[31:16] Let's just go with it.

[31:17] And it feels very abrupt.

[31:19] The same way that when we did, when we watched the Pope's Exorcist, which had the added advantage

[31:23] of being silly, that the family is like, they're like, by the way, your kids are possessed.

[31:28] And the mom is like, of course, yes.

[31:29] Tell me what to do.

[31:30] Like, there's never there's no pushback.

[31:31] Finally, someone sees it.

[31:33] Yeah.

[31:34] And of course, that movie also features Russell Crowe just stunting on everybody with that

[31:39] crazy columbo performance.

[31:40] That ridiculous accent.

[31:41] What a fun movie.

[31:42] Okay.

[31:43] So Victor comes home.

[31:44] We recently we had to vote for the Writers Guild Awards, and I hadn't seen enough movies

[31:52] this year that I really liked.

[31:54] And the Pope's Exorcist was on there.

[31:55] I'm like, I'll nominate that.

[31:56] Whatever.

[31:57] Yeah.

[31:58] I'll vote for that to get nominated.

[31:59] That was fun.

[32:00] Thumbs up.

[32:01] It's not going to win.

[32:02] So a few days into the disappearance, Victor comes home to find that his friend Stuart

[32:07] is broken into his home and has brought a woman named Dr. Now, I only saw it written

[32:19] in the captions.

[32:20] I didn't actually hear him say the name.

[32:22] Is it beehive or beehive with a V?

[32:28] I think it's beehive, but I'm not sure because I couldn't I couldn't quite make out what

[32:32] the sound was either.

[32:33] Yeah.

[32:34] So he's doing some kind of like some kind of a ritual to draw to bring the girls home,

[32:39] bring Angela home.

[32:40] And Victor is still a disbeliever and it gets them out of his house.

[32:46] However, something happened because meanwhile, 30 miles away at a nearby farm, there is a

[32:52] sick horse and they find the two girls in the barn.

[32:56] Oh, the girls are back.

[32:58] The girls are back in town.

[33:02] They're actually out of town.

[33:03] They're in a barn on the outskirts of town.

[33:07] So they interview the girls.

[33:08] The girls think they've only been missing for a few hours.

[33:11] They say to the girls, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me about Lorne.

[33:17] Which devils are your guys?

[33:19] What did your dad do for a living?

[33:21] Yeah.

[33:22] Mm hmm.

[33:23] So are you with Pazuzu or are you with Lamashtu?

[33:24] Oh, you gotta be Pazuzu.

[33:27] Well, they're with Lamashtu, who in ancient ancient Sumerian lore was an enemy of Pazuzu.

[33:33] So.

[33:34] Oh, cool.

[33:35] Thanks.

[33:36] Yeah.

[33:37] That's why he had to.

[33:38] You've been reading your fucking monsters manual.

[33:39] Yeah.

[33:40] Yeah, exactly.

[33:41] And I read Folio over there.

[33:42] My Wikipedia manual that Lamashtu went after children and unborn children and Pazuzu was

[33:46] often invoked to protect birthing mothers against Lamashtu.

[33:50] And the Lamashtu in the ancient Sumerian religion is like a hybrid monster with like a lion's

[33:55] head and stuff.

[33:57] That's what we see in this movie.

[33:58] Yeah.

[33:59] That sounds a lot like a Lamashtu, which is one of the mount options for a Chaos Dwarf

[34:03] Sorcerer Lord and Warhammer fantasy battle, baby, because they need to fly around on things

[34:07] because Chaos Dwarf magic slowly corrupts their bodies and turns their bodies to stone.

[34:12] So they need somebody to take their ass around because they're just turning like a statue

[34:15] man.

[34:16] Must be the band drill that's making me suddenly sleepy.

[34:20] No, let me pull up some images on my phone, dude.

[34:24] They're really cool.

[34:25] They have a beard.

[34:26] Yeah.

[34:27] Okay.

[34:28] So.

[34:29] So they found the girls.

[34:30] The girls are fine.

[34:31] The girls.

[34:33] The girls think they've only been gone for a few hours, but in fact, they've been gone

[34:34] for three days.

[34:36] What?

[34:37] However, there's no other signs of anything like wrong with that.

[34:40] Well, except for one thing.

[34:41] They have burns on their feet.

[34:43] Oh, wow.

[34:44] Were they.

[34:45] How'd that happen?

[34:46] Were they stunning the bottoms of their feet?

[34:47] Well, that's what I think.

[34:48] That's what they check at first.

[34:49] They go, oh, were there are there some lamps and some lamps in the barn?

[34:52] No.

[34:53] They're walking around.

[34:54] Hell, you might as well be walking on the sun.

[34:57] Oh, man, you know, remember when music was good.

[35:03] Yeah.

[35:04] Hey, now you're possessed.

[35:06] Now you're a demon.

[35:08] Go play.

[35:09] Hey, now.

[35:10] I was just going to cut all the believer and saying this episode.

[35:14] Okay.

[35:15] So go on.

[35:16] Do you have more singing to do?

[35:19] I can't get enough of LaMache to right or wrong.

[35:23] Also a Smash Mouth song.

[35:25] Oh, wow.

[35:26] I did it.

[35:27] So and there there is a sequence just believe or I couldn't leave her if I tried.

[35:34] I know that's a cover of Smash Mouth did of a.

[35:36] Yeah, yeah.

[35:37] Yeah.

[35:38] But no, still an impressive.

[35:39] You found multiple links there.

[35:41] I thought demons were only in the Exorcist.

[35:45] So forth.

[35:46] Oh, that's all the Smash Mouth songs I know.

[35:48] So we're back to the show.

[35:49] Okay.

[35:50] So there is.

[35:51] There is a possessed, but he gets up again.

[35:55] Nobody's going to Exorcist and it's actually really great that Elliot is, you know, making

[36:02] us go through this excruciating ritual because the movie makes us watch a sequence where

[36:06] the girls are then checked to see if they have been assaulted by someone.

[36:10] Yeah.

[36:11] And that's not which is unpleasant.

[36:12] Yeah.

[36:13] But I guess I mean, I guess I get what the movie is trying to do with it.

[36:18] It's horrifying.

[36:19] They're saying who's the real monsters?

[36:20] The medical establishment, perhaps.

[36:22] Yeah.

[36:23] Yeah.

[36:24] Vaxxed.

[36:25] Yeah.

[36:26] Okay.

[36:27] So Angela.

[36:28] Hashtag do the research.

[36:29] Exorcist believer.

[36:30] Yeah.

[36:31] Do your own research.

[36:32] So.

[36:33] Don't really though.

[36:34] Angela goes back home with her dad and she before bed, she explains that they went off

[36:40] into the woods to do a seance.

[36:42] She was trying to contact the spirit of her mother, but she was not able to do it.

[36:46] Meanwhile, she's still acting a little bit weird.

[36:48] And we occasionally get like ghostly figures behind people.

[36:52] It's a real good moment.

[36:53] I really wanted to watch it again with a ghostly kind of child image behind her behind her

[36:58] dad in the not unlike not unlike a Reagan from the original The Exorcist.

[37:04] Yes.

[37:05] Yes.

[37:06] And is this is this around the time that she surprised her dad while he's brushing his

[37:09] teeth?

[37:10] Yeah.

[37:11] Yeah.

[37:12] And he like he puts her down to bed and then he's going into the bathroom and the lights

[37:17] keep flickering again.

[37:18] That is a sign of demons.

[37:19] And she just appears next to him.

[37:21] I was like, get to say it was a really good thing.

[37:27] She goes, what'd you say?

[37:28] And it was a really good reappearance.

[37:30] It worked really well.

[37:31] I felt for me.

[37:32] But also, I have lived that so many times.

[37:33] Not the light flickering, but me just brushing my teeth and then suddenly turning to see

[37:37] one of my children has gotten out of bed and is standing there and didn't realize it going.

[37:40] What did you say?

[37:42] And I'm like, I wasn't talking to you.

[37:43] And I have to lead them back to their bed.

[37:44] That happens all the time.

[37:46] So Exorcist believer, I feel seen.

[37:48] Thank you.

[37:49] Yeah.

[37:50] Yeah.

[37:51] This is before your kids pick on you and stuff you into a cabinet.

[37:54] Would you say nerd?

[37:55] Then they stuck me in the bathroom cabinet.

[37:56] Yeah.

[37:57] OK.

[37:58] So again, yeah.

[37:59] More flickering lights, ghosts.

[38:00] There's I expected.

[38:01] I honestly expected more jump scares in this sequence, but they're there.

[38:04] It's actually pretty restrained.

[38:07] The in the morning when he after making her her favorite breakfast pancakes and ice cream,

[38:14] he finds her in bed sleeping on top of the covers like she's staying at a fucking cheap

[38:19] motel.

[38:20] But she is peed all over the bed.

[38:22] So he takes her into the bathroom to try and get her cleaned up.

[38:26] And then he like walks away and he comes back and she's missing.

[38:29] And the tub is filled with brackish, dirty water and fingernails.

[38:33] And then he finds her.

[38:34] She attacks him with his wife, his dead wife's scarf.

[38:38] And she is like she is ranting.

[38:41] And he ends up he has to, like, hold her down and they have to take her to the hospital

[38:45] and have her committed, basically sedated.

[38:48] Yeah.

[38:49] And he he he does.

[38:50] I think it's a really good.

[38:52] I don't want to touch these P sheets acting in the sequence realistically, like looking

[38:57] at the bed like, OK, how am I going to approach this?

[39:00] Yeah.

[39:01] I mean, it's like you get you get used to it.

[39:04] You do.

[39:05] I mean, that was the thing for a single person or someone, a childless person, not single.

[39:08] You're married.

[39:09] I understand completely.

[39:10] But when you have children, you're so used to touching their waist in different ways.

[39:14] Like it's just it's been a few years, though, for no for this character.

[39:18] Oh, maybe.

[39:19] But I feel like I feel like it would be like riding a bicycle made of poop.

[39:23] You just they'd all come flooding back and you'd know how to do it.

[39:26] Yeah.

[39:27] Meanwhile, a bicycle made of poop.

[39:31] Meanwhile, Catherine is in the sea.

[39:35] No.

[39:36] So many songs.

[39:37] Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer.

[39:40] Do do.

[39:41] Mm hmm.

[39:42] Down to one star on iTunes.

[39:45] OK.

[39:46] Now I get it.

[39:47] It's fair.

[39:48] It's fair.

[39:49] You know, I'm so high for so long.

[39:51] Yeah.

[39:52] Bipartisan bill in Congress banning the flop house.

[39:55] Yeah.

[39:56] Well, Democrats and Republicans can agree on, they say.

[39:59] It's not even a writer.

[40:00] It's the thing that they tack on writers, too, because they know it's going to pass.

[40:03] Yeah. So meanwhile, Catherine's parents have taken her to church.

[40:11] The pastor, priest, whatever, is giving a sermon about about Catherine coming back to them.

[40:16] She is acting seems real smug. He's a smug pastor.

[40:20] Yeah. And she is not acting normal at this point.

[40:24] She's kind of dazed. At one point, she's like fiddling under her skirt,

[40:29] which I'm like, I don't like this. And then she during communion, she disappears

[40:36] only to come back into the into the church covered in communion wine, which looks like blood.

[40:42] And she just keeps shouting the body and the blood over and over until she is tackled.

[40:47] And of course, the body and the blood sounds like a great death metal song.

[40:50] I totally listen to that shit.

[40:52] That's what happens to me when I get into the communion wine, too.

[40:56] Yeah. Dan, you spent some time in the church.

[40:59] Is this exactly your experience as well?

[41:02] You know, we didn't have actual wine. You know, it was grape juice.

[41:06] We are you know, my denomination is I think the only Protestant one that would take communion

[41:13] every Sunday. Typically, that's not like that's a Catholic thing.

[41:16] And then other, you know, Protestant sects do it at Easter.

[41:22] I said, but it was saying they were Baptist. Is this a Baptist thing?

[41:28] I don't know how much Baptist take me. Like I said, I think that

[41:31] it's not typically in every Sunday thing outside of Catholics.

[41:36] And and after she wanders in shouting the body and the blood over and over,

[41:40] she is tackled and she is also taken to the sedated and taken to the hospital.

[41:46] Yeah, they want her sedated.

[41:51] So this is where this is a musical episode of the flop house.

[41:54] It's so musical. They're like, remember that episode?

[41:58] That's great. But when I do it, suddenly people don't like it.

[42:02] If we market it that way, so people know what to expect,

[42:05] you know, you know, this would be a mean girl situation where

[42:08] some people get in there and they're like, oh, I didn't sign up for this.

[42:11] Did you see the video that was going on Twitter where

[42:13] the song starts and the audience just starts laughing?

[42:16] Oh, it was. Oh, that's too bad for the filmmakers.

[42:19] They should have marketed as a musical.

[42:20] Yeah. Weirdly enough, I am going to be recommending just a there's a spoiler

[42:24] for the rest of that. So I am going to be recommending a musical today.

[42:28] So, you know, I want to clear guys read my mind.

[42:32] I liked the Mean Girls musical, too. So.

[42:35] Oh, OK, good. OK, that's my recommendation.

[42:38] Two thumbs up. Oh, it's not your. Yeah, but you can go see it if you like.

[42:40] Yeah, I mean, you don't need to go see it.

[42:44] Movie goalie Dan is going to be like, I'll let this one pass.

[42:46] You don't have to take my world.

[42:48] Word, word for it. You don't have to take your world for it either.

[42:51] You don't have to take my world for me.

[42:53] You can't. You son of a bitch.

[42:55] Who are you, Dio Brando?

[42:57] OK, so the parents have a chit chat at this point.

[43:01] And Victor is talking to Catherine's parents and Catherine's parents reveal

[43:06] that she was supposed to be baptized, but they did not baptize her.

[43:10] And it's like, oh, they like put it off until her grandmother could show up.

[43:13] But that was just a couple of days too long.

[43:15] Yeah. Thanks, Grandma.

[43:18] So they so they're very much in the camp like our daughter's possessed.

[43:22] We need to do something about this.

[43:24] Victor, he doesn't quite believe that he's he's still dubious.

[43:27] And I guess, you know, this tells you, you know,

[43:29] baptism is like chipping your pets, the thing you do for safety ahead of time.

[43:34] You know, it's like it's your scotch guarding them against devil.

[43:39] So this is getting.

[43:40] Yeah, this is where I have two issues with this.

[43:42] Like you were talking about earlier, Dan.

[43:43] One is so the baptism.

[43:45] So so the devil would have been like, hey, all right.

[43:48] You have a force field around you from baptism.

[43:51] You're like, you've got to feel I can't open.

[43:52] It's like it's like a child lock on a on a medicine bottle.

[43:55] But also like my kids are not baptized.

[43:57] Are they is this movie telling me that they are at great risk of demons?

[44:01] Look, I I agree with you that I normally don't bump up against supernatural stuff.

[44:06] I'm just on board.

[44:08] I will accept whatever shit you're trying to sell me in the context of fiction.

[44:12] Most of the time I do have more trouble with this.

[44:15] And look, I grew up religious.

[44:16] I'm not saying I'm not religious at all like I.

[44:19] But I'm saying that at this point in my life,

[44:22] my conception of religion is a lot more amorphous.

[44:26] And I don't know, just sort of personal than any.

[44:32] I don't believe that there's a set of magic spells you can do to keep the devil.

[44:37] You don't believe that religion operates like the same way that

[44:40] Warhammer operates, where there are rules you have to follow,

[44:43] according to how you roll and things like that.

[44:45] I want to hear Elliot explain the rules of Warhammer to me right now.

[44:48] So anyway, we first you roll to see who goes first.

[44:50] Then OK, then you take your then you got it.

[44:54] Then you got to pick your guys.

[44:55] You line up all your figurines and you take turns picking them.

[44:59] And then what you do is then you got to come up with your your scenario.

[45:02] And the way you do is you pick one of three scenario cards.

[45:05] That's a beginning card.

[45:07] Then what you have to do is you look at the color of that card

[45:09] and you have to collect those color chips.

[45:11] They're around the board in different places.

[45:14] And now there's also the special die.

[45:16] There's one special die that's hidden in the room.

[45:18] If you find it, you get an extra life.

[45:20] That extra life can be traded in for 100 gold credits.

[45:24] Now, the gold credits are listening to there.

[45:28] They're also stickers.

[45:29] And if and you can stick them on your figures and that gives them

[45:32] qualified immunity, which means you can't be prosecuted

[45:35] for things they do in the line of duty.

[45:37] You're right.

[45:38] I say all this about not believing in magical spells, but I also like I don't.

[45:43] You know, I appreciate what the movie is trying to do at the end by not making it

[45:47] like a specific religion by by not being making it like, oh, Catholics specifically

[45:53] have figured out how to protect us against demons.

[45:56] You know, it is a conglomeration of different believers.

[46:00] They do a couple of times.

[46:01] They're like different people are like, I've I've studied all the ways of doing this

[46:04] and all the different religions.

[46:06] But it mainly comes down to Catholic stuff.

[46:08] Yeah.

[46:08] But then like but then the weird thing is that makes me believe it even less at the end.

[46:13] I'm like, well, if it's all amorphous, then what the fuck are we doing here?

[46:17] Like what?

[46:18] How are we casting this demon out?

[46:19] I don't know.

[46:21] No matter no matter how ecumenical they try to make it at the end, it's still usually

[46:25] Jesus's name that is making the demon you scream and turn into fart dust and fly.

[46:29] Is this?

[46:30] I hate that guy.

[46:32] So they run for the door.

[46:34] Meanwhile, him again.

[46:35] He's going to tell me more of his stories.

[46:38] Meanwhile, Nurse Ann Dowd is looking after a character named Ann playing a character

[46:43] named Ann, which I love and also like it's nice when Ann Dowd shows up like I feel I'm

[46:48] like I'm in good hands here.

[46:49] She's got this.

[46:51] So she she gets she's looking after Angela, who wakes up demon style and begins terrorizing

[46:57] her, making allusions to a previous pregnancy and abortion.

[47:01] And then there's a scene where blood is spreading out all over her, her sheets.

[47:07] And then Ann Dowd goes and talks to Victor and is like, you know, this girl's possessed.

[47:11] She knew stuff that nobody else knew.

[47:13] She knew I was going to be a nun at one point.

[47:15] She knew my name is a nun, which I never told anybody else.

[47:18] This girl is hella possessed.

[47:19] And I mean that pun very much intended on very much intended.

[47:22] So Victor decides to start doing his own research, just like Dan.

[47:26] Oh, hey.

[47:28] And he immediately finds a bunch of news stories about Chris McNeil, the mother from The Exorcist,

[47:37] learns a little bit about her history and he breaks it into the movie.

[47:41] He tracks her down and goes in all over with talent.

[47:44] So he yeah, he shows up to Chris McNeil's home, Ellen Burson's home.

[47:50] Probably not her actual home.

[47:51] I'm guessing it's the care.

[47:52] No, no.

[47:52] I think that she wanted to do the role so little that she said, if I'm going to be in

[47:55] this movie, you have to come to my house to shoot it.

[47:57] I don't want to leave my house.

[47:58] This was so the story behind Ellen Burson being this movie is apparently she said, I

[48:02] don't want to be in this.

[48:02] And so they doubled her the money they offered.

[48:05] And she it was all she's like, OK, I can donate this to a college, I think for it to

[48:08] endow a fellowship.

[48:09] But she she said something that I read in the trivia section that was about like that

[48:14] she was like, it felt like the devil was testing my price when they were negotiating with me

[48:17] to do this movie.

[48:18] Did you also read the trivia about William Friedkin?

[48:21] Yes.

[48:21] Oh, yeah.

[48:22] It was like not a fan of this guy.

[48:25] Apparently, William Friedkin was like, yeah, the guy who made Pineapple Express is going

[48:28] to ruin my best movie.

[48:30] Notoriously chill dude, William Friedkin.

[48:35] So Victor talks to Chris McNeil, who explains some stuff about like she's you know, she's

[48:41] not a priest or an exorcist, but she studied all this stuff and that she thinks she can

[48:46] be helpful.

[48:47] So they they joined forces.

[48:49] She also mentions that her daughter Regan and her have lost lost touch with each other.

[48:52] It's been years since they last talked.

[48:54] I think I think for this trilogy to work, we're going to need a big reveal at the end.

[48:58] Let's find out.

[48:59] So let's watch what happens live.

[49:01] Yeah, they joined forces and head back to Victor's hometown where they go to visit Angela,

[49:07] who is in like full on demon mode at this point, crawling all over the walls being extra

[49:12] scary.

[49:13] There's no yeah, they're like, oh, we can't do anything with that.

[49:16] So they it's like we're not sure if it's if it's a medical problem or not.

[49:20] And meanwhile, she has like devil face like she looks like a demon has taken over her

[49:24] body.

[49:24] She doesn't look like herself, you know, so they and they have to go to try and find

[49:28] Catherine.

[49:29] But Catherine's family has taken her home out of the hospital.

[49:32] So they go to the home and we're like, oh, this is going to be a problem because like

[49:35] the family's like cowering in the kitchen.

[49:38] They're terrified of this demon girl running around the house.

[49:41] How what is it about getting people together in a house?

[49:44] You've got a you've got a girl who's possessed by the devil in another room.

[49:47] You've got the refreshments are all in the living room.

[49:50] Everyone still always ends up in the kitchen.

[49:52] They always end up gathering and cowering in the kitchen.

[49:54] You're like, there's a whole house that we can be afraid of the demon girl.

[49:58] And no, they just want to hang out in the kitchen.

[50:00] in the kitchen that's I mean that's that's I think that's a little bit of

[50:03] human nature what do you think Dan yeah well I mean it's true it is the last

[50:10] time Audrey and I had a party really we'll put a bunch of food in this

[50:14] central room away from the kitchen to lure everyone away no one no yeah like

[50:21] hey I brought this bowl of chips back into the kitchen

[50:25] yeah but the only way to get keep them away from your kitchen the room is to

[50:29] have legendary comic book publisher Dennis kitchen in your apartment at your

[50:33] party and people just follow him around okay so again they find the they find

[50:37] the family cowering in the kitchen Chris follows the demon girl upstairs this is

[50:44] where we get this loving scene a touching tribute to great actor yeah

[50:50] they're really making the best of Ellen Burstyn really treating her where where

[50:54] she has a conversation with the with the demon before it climbs up on her and

[51:00] stabs her eyes out with a cross yeah not outside of Scatman Crothers the

[51:06] Shining rarely has there been a character set up to like come in to help

[51:10] out and dispatched immediately from yeah there's there's like two of those moment

[51:15] there's another one coming up but this one was particularly rough cuz you're

[51:18] like you guys you just got here yeah she just got here this is the big star from

[51:23] the first movie did you also feel as I did that it was a huge disrespect like

[51:27] it was like yeah like if you like if you if uh if it's like if Scatman Crothers

[51:32] had been the star of the Shining one and they bring them back for Shining four

[51:35] and then just chop them in the stomach with an axe yeah like they do they're

[51:41] doing like Godfather six it's a reboot of the Godfather franchise they bring in

[51:46] Al Pacino and then whoever's playing the new Godfather just pees on him in a

[51:50] Godfather cow yeah no that's that's yeah that's wild the I want like it'd be one

[52:00] thing if like we read up on Ellen Burstyn she's like no I'm just really

[52:03] into makeup effects and I thought it'd be awesome if my eyeballs got if she was

[52:08] like if she was like Harrison Ford with Star Wars and she's like I'm just tired

[52:13] of being in these movies you know I think my guess is that I wouldn't be

[52:20] surprised if an earlier version of the script had more of her in it and then

[52:24] this is just me theorizing and then she said you have me for three days and they

[52:28] said oh okay I guess we got to move up her her mutilation scene earlier in the

[52:32] film that's my guess I don't know okay so they you know they they again at this

[52:38] point Catherine gets taken away they're worried that like I guess her parents

[52:44] are concerned that she's what gonna get in trouble or something I would imagine

[52:48] well this might be on her permanent record that she had a devil inside her

[52:51] and she stabbed a lady in the eyes yeah yeah Cornell just are you devil inside

[52:58] devil inside huh every single one of us devil inside she's like one of us your

[53:04] honor yeah a band what a band right she goes hold on wait let me go into my

[53:08] closet where's my blue dress yeah it's the devil inside medley okay else can

[53:19] the devil be in meanwhile Georgia I guess once he went down there yeah he

[53:23] did go down there he was in Georgia that's true yeah mm-hmm meanwhile father

[53:27] Maddox a devil can be in disguise because she looks like an angel but

[53:31] she's the devil in disguise okay so father Maddox applies to the Catholic

[53:45] Church for an exorcism and fails to get permission they say denied they're

[53:52] basically like the church's insurance can't handle the liability of an

[53:55] exorcism oh yeah that's that's the problem with the Catholic Church right

[53:59] okay and then Victor goes to Chris to apologize for getting her eyes knocked

[54:05] out and I gotta say she had she takes this pretty well like she yeah she's

[54:11] like in pretty good spirits she's like I knew the risk going in it's okay yeah

[54:15] yeah she's like them you know that's what happens anyway once I get my robot

[54:21] eyes yeah those eyes were crying they've seen a lot of love but they never seen

[54:29] another like you like me are we in love right now yes we are in love did you not

[54:33] know that that's the only reason I came to your house to help you with your

[54:36] daughter is that I'm in love with you oh this is awkward I'm kind of still not

[54:39] over my wife yet it's been years Leslie Odom jr. he's like she and she she gives

[54:47] us like monologue about how people all over the world are doing exorcisms you

[54:52] just got to get everybody together and so she convinced them like you just got

[54:56] to do your own exorcism family style book that says it takes a village to

[55:02] exercise a child yeah yeah so the whole the whole gang shows up a whole gang

[55:09] shows up at Victor's house you got Victor you got Stewart you got dr.

[55:12] beehive you got I think the priest from the church the priest shows up later

[55:18] first he shows up and he's like hey you do this and Ann is like I was a nun for

[55:23] a minute I can do this and then I can do this back yeah and then and Catherine's

[55:27] parents show up and they bring an older guy with them is that their pastor yeah

[55:32] they're a pastor from their church yeah and they they they make a little

[55:36] summoning circle and they tie the girls into chairs in the middle of it and they

[55:41] hook them both up to like heart rate monitors and we see that both their

[55:45] heart hearts are beating at the exact same time it's like they're they're one

[55:49] body yeah the priest shows up he delivers the bad news and then he goes

[55:53] and sits out in his car and prays and I don't know like McDonald's or something

[55:57] on a stakeout he's on a priest stakeout of the exorcist okay exorcism begins we

[56:04] start with round one yeah round one nurse Ann starts reading some Bible

[56:09] stuff and it you know it doesn't really work the demons like doing scary stuff

[56:14] and then they they bring up her abortion again and you know she's she

[56:19] gets a little bit shook we learned some of the rules here is that they can't

[56:22] touch the kids while this whole thing's going on makes sense because they're

[56:26] demons they take a little bit of a break and then dr. Behave a comes back and

[56:32] like drips like holy water on them and that seems to work because they start

[56:36] barfing out like vapor clouds out of their mouth it's vapo demon yeah and

[56:40] then somehow like smoke from the like magic smoke from the fireplace and the

[56:47] vapor like getting a fight or something it's to be honest I couldn't quite follow

[56:53] yeah I didn't quite know the characters really seem to understand the characters

[56:57] really seem to understand what's happening yeah yeah something's

[57:00] happening the demon offers the demon offers the parents a choice if they pick

[57:05] one of the girls that one will survive the other one will die have you talked

[57:10] about the revelation that the demon makes about Victor's choice years

[57:14] earlier oh we we haven't mentioned that but you we can explain the demon he

[57:19] reveals that Victor when years ago in Haiti when the man said we can save your

[57:24] wife or your daughter and we assume he chose his daughter because that's who's

[57:27] alive right now the demon reveals that Victor did not choose his daughter he

[57:31] said keep my wife alive but it didn't work and the or the doctors didn't

[57:35] listen to him and instead Angela survived and the wife did not and so

[57:39] this is seen I think the demon is trying to break their bond and shame him

[57:43] that that was a pre-birth betrayal I guess yes daughter Angela but the weird

[57:48] thing is I don't think Stuart will be mad that I jump ahead a little bit to

[57:53] make this point the weird thing is like jumping to the credits after the movie

[57:57] well no the so let me quickly say the you know the other family like the

[58:03] Norbert Lear Leo Butts loses faith or whatever and he's like I want to save my

[58:08] kid you know like the the community is broken much to the consternation of his

[58:12] wife played by Jennifer Nettles Grammy right winning singer which leads to the

[58:17] demon taking that kid like ha ha ha ha I'm taking the one that you say you want

[58:22] to save and leaving the other one behind and like a weird like reversal of like

[58:26] the wisdom of Solomon or something but I here's my problem with a lot of the

[58:33] stuff in the movie thematically like I guess the idea is that the his journey

[58:38] is that he's getting his faith back and that's the important thing he doesn't

[58:42] break and like choose one kid over the other but in the context of the movie it

[58:48] also plays like well you didn't want the kid the first time around he wanted his

[58:53] wife and now the way to save his kid is by rejecting her a second time and not

[58:57] no I want you like I guess that's true I think quiet it's kind of a weird I

[59:02] think they didn't worry they're turning themselves into no I mean I think I

[59:06] think that's one of the I I would argue I think that's one of the issues with

[59:10] with David Gordon Green's Halloween movies is that there's a lot of things

[59:14] in there that don't feel like they don't they don't feel all the way thought

[59:19] through they like they might make sense in the immediate moment but like on the

[59:24] whole doesn't make this movie was reshot a lot from what I understand it

[59:29] was very like taken away from him so I I don't lay this necessarily fully at his

[59:33] feet yeah that's you're probably it's very possible and the it's if it is

[59:38] internally inconsistent that the lesson is supposed to be we have to stay

[59:42] unified the only way to stay safe is to stay unified we have to be and and the

[59:47] dad breaks it the other dad breaks it but that yeah he has to save his

[59:50] daughter by once again refusing to save her although Dan maybe that ties into

[59:55] he's too much of a helicopter parent earlier now yeah you know what I can't

[59:59] save you

[1:00:00] You gotta deal with these devils for yourself sometimes.

[1:00:01] I think the message is less, uh, you need to, like, reject saving your child and more,

[1:00:08] don't listen to demons.

[1:00:09] Well, yeah, I mean, obviously demons are lying to you, but the funny thing about that too

[1:00:13] is like, you know, once someone does make the choice, the demons are like, well, I'm

[1:00:20] bound to take the other one because I've been trolling you, like, I'm bound to take the

[1:00:24] one that you're saying that you want to save because I've been trolling you and I'm a trickster,

[1:00:27] but then that means that I am going to let the other girl go.

[1:00:30] I guess I have to only take one rather than just being like, I mean, two kids was too

[1:00:37] much.

[1:00:38] They weren't going to be able to eat that much.

[1:00:39] You know?

[1:00:40] Yeah.

[1:00:41] Some demons are bigger than their stomachs.

[1:00:42] Yeah.

[1:00:43] We did jump ahead slightly.

[1:00:44] So, uh, we did jump past one of the, one of the more fun scenes in the mid-exorcism.

[1:00:48] They're like, this doesn't seem to be working.

[1:00:49] All of a sudden the door bursts open.

[1:00:51] Father Maddox is like, fuck what the church says.

[1:00:53] I'm going to do an exorcism.

[1:00:55] He walks in.

[1:00:56] He's going to kick ass for Christ.

[1:00:57] Just like in, what is it?

[1:00:58] Dead or Alive?

[1:00:59] Those kids.

[1:01:00] Yeah.

[1:01:01] They're not loving that.

[1:01:02] It's the opposite of McDonald's for them.

[1:01:03] They're not loving it.

[1:01:04] There.

[1:01:05] He puts his hands on their forehead.

[1:01:07] He's reading those words.

[1:01:08] They're flipping out.

[1:01:09] All of a sudden they start twisting their necks.

[1:01:11] His neck starts twisting.

[1:01:12] What?

[1:01:13] What?

[1:01:14] What?

[1:01:15] His neck twists all the way around and he dies.

[1:01:16] Whoops.

[1:01:17] Yeah.

[1:01:18] They snap his neck from the inside and it's one of those things where it feels like, oh,

[1:01:20] right.

[1:01:21] Yeah.

[1:01:22] Cause the exorcist is all about like head turnings.

[1:01:23] Like it's all about turning your head all the way around.

[1:01:25] Yeah.

[1:01:26] Well, there's another part.

[1:01:27] I mean, it's so cool.

[1:01:28] At which.

[1:01:29] It's a, it's a, it, that effect is very fun.

[1:01:30] It's a, it's a cool moment.

[1:01:31] I wish it was one of the few moments in the movie where it was like, oh, this movie is

[1:01:34] coming alive for a moment.

[1:01:35] It's doing something kind of like wild, but it is, it does feel like, Hey, remember this

[1:01:40] from the first exorcist when her head turns around, they do that too.

[1:01:43] There's another moment.

[1:01:44] I forget the exact line, but where one of the demons like says a line from the first

[1:01:49] movie to a room full of people that were not there for the initial events.

[1:01:53] So I'm like, what is this sassy callback?

[1:01:55] Like who is this for?

[1:01:56] Yeah.

[1:01:57] Like people who've seen the exorcist only.

[1:02:00] So, uh, yeah.

[1:02:01] After the, after the priest, it's like that moment in that second star Trek, JJ Abrams

[1:02:05] movie where he goes, my name is con.

[1:02:07] And I wanted the characters to be like, okay, what does that con like?

[1:02:11] What does that mean?

[1:02:12] So you're caught.

[1:02:13] So what does con do?

[1:02:14] I don't understand.

[1:02:15] How's how you con what, uh, yeah.

[1:02:19] Is it C O N?

[1:02:20] Like you're a con man.

[1:02:21] You seem British.

[1:02:22] So that's a little confusing.

[1:02:23] Yeah.

[1:02:24] Are you like, are you related to share con the tiger from the jungle book?

[1:02:27] Cause that'd be weird.

[1:02:28] You're a person.

[1:02:29] I think it's the future.

[1:02:30] Maybe you're a tiger man.

[1:02:31] Like one of the Kazin, you know, there's a cat people, but still, yep.

[1:02:35] Or the Hakan, uh, Emirates, uh, trading alliance and twilight.

[1:02:39] Yeah.

[1:02:40] Dan, do you know any other fictional cat people?

[1:02:42] Not from the movie cat people don't say that.

[1:02:44] It's too easy.

[1:02:45] Sleepwalkers from the film.

[1:02:46] Sleepwalkers.

[1:02:47] Technically correct.

[1:02:48] Technically cat people.

[1:02:49] You got it.

[1:02:50] So, uh, allow it, put Dan on the board in the cat people game.

[1:02:54] Okay.

[1:02:55] Finally on the board.

[1:02:56] Yeah.

[1:02:57] You're in the, you're on the board.

[1:02:58] So this is where Vic tries to make a Victor tries to make a play, uh, to get in on the

[1:03:02] action.

[1:03:03] He takes the scarf, uh, uh, his wife's scarf and wraps it around Angela's neck.

[1:03:08] Uh, doesn't seem to really work.

[1:03:10] Uh, at this point, Tony, this is where Tony, uh, chooses his own daughter to save.

[1:03:16] He just says, I choose you.

[1:03:18] Uh, at which point Angela starts, uh, catches her in a little poke ball.

[1:03:22] Yep.

[1:03:23] Yeah.

[1:03:24] Uh, Angela starts to float up in the air.

[1:03:25] Uh, and then she barfs like a blood vortex on the ceiling and it's like all CGI blood

[1:03:32] vomit.

[1:03:33] It was so silly.

[1:03:34] This part should be scary, but it's super silly.

[1:03:36] And she gives her dad this like crazy head, but that throws him across the room.

[1:03:41] It's like, it's, it was, that was pretty cool.

[1:03:43] Yeah.

[1:03:44] And before this, when he gives her that scarf, he has also, Victor has also been reciting

[1:03:48] the Lord's prayer.

[1:03:49] He has got his faith back, which understandably, if you're like, I don't believe in God.

[1:03:53] And then the devil possesses your daughter.

[1:03:55] And the only thing that seems to stop her is saying Christ's name.

[1:03:57] Then I, that's a way to get your faith back.

[1:03:59] And then when it's not faith anymore, it's been proved the easiest way to get your faith

[1:04:03] back.

[1:04:04] I would jump on that so hard.

[1:04:05] I'd be like, okay.

[1:04:06] I mean, it's not even faith at that point because you're like, yeah, that's a proven

[1:04:09] thing that's happened.

[1:04:10] I have seen evidence.

[1:04:12] Yeah.

[1:04:13] You're no longer on faith.

[1:04:14] And God's like, oh shit.

[1:04:15] I screwed it up.

[1:04:16] I was, it was supposed to be faith.

[1:04:17] Oh, I think this means you're not saved.

[1:04:20] Sorry.

[1:04:21] Uh, and what if you just erase the memory of what happened from my mind so I can regain

[1:04:25] my faith?

[1:04:26] Hey, can't do it.

[1:04:27] That would be fussing with the rules.

[1:04:28] I'm on the board.

[1:04:29] I can't get, they'd take me off the board if I did that, you know?

[1:04:32] So Angela claps on the ground, she flatlines and we're like, Tony, what did you do?

[1:04:38] But then, and his daughter, Catherine seems to recover, but then we get some like flashbacks

[1:04:44] to the moment when, uh, her mother was getting her belly blessed.

[1:04:49] And then there's like a switcheroonie and Catherine flatlines and Angela wakes up.

[1:04:54] Is that the implication that she, she wasn't, she had extra help not because she wasn't

[1:04:58] baptized.

[1:04:59] I don't know.

[1:05:00] I don't know.

[1:05:01] That was like the first baptism in, in utero.

[1:05:02] Yeah.

[1:05:03] She had double reverse anti-possession.

[1:05:04] I don't know.

[1:05:05] Yeah.

[1:05:06] Yeah.

[1:05:07] She has the UNO reverse card on her.

[1:05:10] So you've been holding it in reserve and jokes on you, the master, you have to draw

[1:05:14] four wild.

[1:05:15] Oh, that's the worst.

[1:05:16] Uh, that's because at that point you're like, well, mash do is riding high on the horse

[1:05:23] and all of a sudden he's got a handful of cards and he is just like, well, I've got

[1:05:29] every card except green.

[1:05:30] At least he won't say green.

[1:05:31] And he goes green.

[1:05:32] Oh, I've got to keep drawing the cards.

[1:05:34] No, no, no.

[1:05:36] Okay.

[1:05:37] Defeat from the jaws of victory.

[1:05:38] Yeah.

[1:05:39] So Angela recovers and, uh, Dr.

[1:05:43] Bahibi reaches over and snuffs out one of two candles.

[1:05:48] What how meaningful, uh, everyone, uh, everyone tries to move on with their lives.

[1:05:53] Uh, and then in a, uh, in a, what a convalescence room, uh, Chris, uh, is sitting there and

[1:06:00] she is, uh, visited by her daughter Reagan from the first movie.

[1:06:06] What?

[1:06:07] Linda Blair's here.

[1:06:08] End of movie.

[1:06:09] Thumbs up from no one.

[1:06:10] Savage streets.

[1:06:11] He says.

[1:06:12] That's what it is.

[1:06:13] Right.

[1:06:14] We made it through.

[1:06:15] Extra's believer.

[1:06:16] Yeah.

[1:06:17] So, so there's two kinds of, there's two kinds of believing in this.

[1:06:19] So Victor, he regains his faith.

[1:06:21] He becomes a believer and also, uh, cause he's like, there's, that is my only option

[1:06:27] at this point.

[1:06:28] Yes.

[1:06:29] And that, but also like Chris McNeil has become like the ultimate believer.

[1:06:32] Like she believes in all religions cause they're all about demon fighting, but also

[1:06:37] I guess like Reagan at the end is now believer in like the need to have a relationship with

[1:06:43] their mothers.

[1:06:44] There's a lot of belief going on.

[1:06:45] Does the title make sense?

[1:06:46] That's what I'm saying.

[1:06:47] It's a great title.

[1:06:48] Yeah.

[1:06:49] It's this, this last scene, by the way, like it comes at the end of a bunch of crap and

[1:06:52] the movie doesn't earn it, but it's weird how effective, like it can be just on its

[1:06:56] own level of just like, oh yeah, they're back in the same room together.

[1:07:00] That's nice.

[1:07:01] There's a scene that, that affected me the most in Dial of Destiny, a movie that I thought

[1:07:03] was fairly mediocre at the very end when it's Harrison Ford and Karen Allen back in the

[1:07:07] same room.

[1:07:08] Yeah.

[1:07:09] You know, it's like, oh, I like them in that other movie and it's, I like that they had

[1:07:12] to spend time together another day, you know, for my amusement.

[1:07:15] I'm the puppet master.

[1:07:18] That's really ominous.

[1:07:21] I demand you get back together.

[1:07:23] Fictional characters who, yes, you were reunited once in another movie a while ago, but I kind

[1:07:27] of forgot that happened.

[1:07:29] That one was pretty weak, so yeah, this marginally better one is, um, okay, uh, so this believer

[1:07:38] should have it.

[1:07:39] So this was supposed to be the first movie in a trilogy and I don't know if they're making

[1:07:41] the other two because I believe they are because I think they're, there's a stipulation because

[1:07:46] they made, they spent, I was reading about it to the rights to make the, this series

[1:07:51] was like $400 million or something like that for the distribution rights.

[1:07:54] Uh, so, and this movie did not do that well.

[1:07:57] It didn't, it wasn't a huge failure, but it didn't do that well.

[1:07:59] But the believer should be the third one in the series.

[1:08:01] It should be like, it should be like the exorcist apostate and then like the exorcist conversion

[1:08:06] and then like the exorcist believers.

[1:08:07] I think the next one is exorcist deceiver.

[1:08:10] Oh, yeah.

[1:08:11] Oh, like the song dreamer deceiver or just deceiver.

[1:08:14] Oh, it's a great two song duo from juice.

[1:08:17] Yeah.

[1:08:18] I, I, because of international, uh, monies and such like this movie did well, actually

[1:08:24] this, it was a 30 minute million budget.

[1:08:27] It made 137 million.

[1:08:29] So it, it was a big return on investment despite being not for production made, but, but again,

[1:08:35] that doesn't cover marketing costs or just the cost of the distribution rights, which

[1:08:39] were so expensive.

[1:08:40] I understand.

[1:08:41] But you know, 30 to 130, like someone's making enough money off of this too, that it's not

[1:08:47] on the theory that like when they made those distribution rights, uh, they made that purchase.

[1:08:52] I'm assuming they, they had factored in that there was going to be three movies.

[1:08:56] Yes.

[1:08:57] I think that's fair.

[1:08:58] Uh, so you're right.

[1:08:59] Deceivers the second one, although it seems it has been removed from the schedule so far.

[1:09:03] And uh, I wonder if the third one's going to be like, um, the exorcist reaver.

[1:09:08] Yeah.

[1:09:09] What else we got receiver, uh, the exorcist Devo.

[1:09:16] I mean, if you have like a, like a certain accent, then it, that rhymes, uh, the exorcist

[1:09:21] John Cheever.

[1:09:22] Yup.

[1:09:23] Uh-huh.

[1:09:24] What else do you get?

[1:09:25] A little Caesar.

[1:09:26] You bring a beaver into the exorcist beaver.

[1:09:27] Yeah.

[1:09:28] It's a beaver.

[1:09:29] That's been been possessed by the devil.

[1:09:30] The exorcist dream weaver.

[1:09:31] Yeah.

[1:09:32] Yeah.

[1:09:33] The exorcist lever 2000.

[1:09:34] Yeah.

[1:09:35] Oh man.

[1:09:36] These are great.

[1:09:37] Okay.

[1:09:38] Uh, Oh, this is the part where we, the exorcist Steve-O.

[1:09:39] Okay.

[1:09:40] That doesn't, uh, it's a slant rhyme at best.

[1:09:41] Uh,

[1:09:42] what are we doing?

[1:09:43] Right.

[1:09:44] That's the main problem.

[1:09:45] The exorcist Steve-O is the third movie in the trilogy.

[1:09:46] He must be possessed by the devil.

[1:09:47] Yeah.

[1:09:48] Yeah.

[1:09:49] Yeah.

[1:09:50] Yeah.

[1:09:51] Yeah.

[1:09:52] Yeah.

[1:09:53] Yeah.

[1:09:54] Yeah.

[1:09:55] Yeah.

[1:09:56] Yeah.

[1:09:57] Yeah.

[1:09:58] Yeah.

[1:09:59] Yeah.

[1:10:00] Yeah.

[1:10:01] Yeah.

[1:10:02] Yeah.

[1:10:03] Yeah.

[1:10:04] Yeah.

[1:10:05] Yeah.

[1:10:06] Yeah.

[1:10:07] Yeah.

[1:10:08] Yeah.

[1:10:09] Yeah.

[1:10:10] Yeah.

[1:10:00] Definitely, he's stapling his testicles to his leg.

[1:10:02] No, actually, this is just what he does.

[1:10:03] This is kind of my thing.

[1:10:06] Is this a good bad movie, a bad bad movie,

[1:10:09] or a movie you kind of like?

[1:10:11] I'm going to say that for the first 30 minutes,

[1:10:14] it wasn't that I thought it was great, but I'm like, oh,

[1:10:16] this movie is a lot better than I was led to believe.

[1:10:19] And then it took a steep nosedive,

[1:10:21] and I will say it's just bad, bad.

[1:10:24] Stewart?

[1:10:26] Yeah, I mean, I think we've talked

[1:10:28] about a lot of the flaws of the movie.

[1:10:30] I feel like for the most part, kind of like Elliot,

[1:10:35] I have a little bit of trouble doing these demon possession

[1:10:39] movies, because they so often rely

[1:10:41] on an acceptance of Judeo-Christian bullshit,

[1:10:47] which is a hard hurdle for me to clear.

[1:10:52] I mean, I wish it had been a little more fun.

[1:10:56] I mean, I feel like I like evil deads, and when evil lurks,

[1:11:00] and that kind of gross out kind of possession.

[1:11:03] Even the first Exorcist movie, which

[1:11:04] is a very somber and stoic movie in a lot of ways,

[1:11:08] has fun parts and parts that are wild.

[1:11:10] And when audiences went to see it,

[1:11:11] they didn't walk out going, oh, that

[1:11:16] was a somber, rough experience.

[1:11:17] They walked out going like, did you see that?

[1:11:19] That was not!

[1:11:20] It was a huge hit, because it's kind of a fun movie to watch.

[1:11:22] And this doesn't have that.

[1:11:24] Yeah.

[1:11:24] But also, that movie, particularly at the time,

[1:11:27] was truly transgressive.

[1:11:28] It had some horrifying things for a child

[1:11:32] to be doing and saying about a major religion.

[1:11:37] And this movie does not even touch

[1:11:40] the idea of being transgressive in any way.

[1:11:43] This is a bog-standard horror movie.

[1:11:46] Yep.

[1:11:46] I think that's what it is for me.

[1:11:48] It feels just very, and it doesn't surprise me

[1:11:50] if it's true that it was kind of taken away and redid.

[1:11:54] It feels like a, ironically, for a movie whose message

[1:11:57] is all about how it takes a group working together

[1:11:59] to save a child, it feels like it's kind of a committee-made

[1:12:03] horror movie, where there's not a lot of real vision

[1:12:06] or excitement behind it.

[1:12:07] So it's a, yeah, it's kind of a disappointing movie.

[1:12:11] Yeah, I feel like probably a lot of the negative things

[1:12:14] that I would target the director with

[1:12:16] are mainly just complaints about general,

[1:12:19] like, nostalgia-bait, legacy-quel stuff,

[1:12:24] rather than any specific critiques of an individual.

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[1:18:18] Hey, now it's time to answer some letters from listeners,

[1:18:22] listeners like you.

[1:18:25] This first letter is-

[1:18:26] If you like sending us letters

[1:18:28] and having us tell you stuff,

[1:18:31] if you like asking us questions,

[1:18:34] cause one question's not enough,

[1:18:37] then maybe send in a letter

[1:18:40] by the mail or the internet,

[1:18:43] and we'll answer it someday

[1:18:46] if we haven't gotten to it yet.

[1:18:49] Okay, that's a song about somebody writing a letter

[1:18:53] to a podcast that they like

[1:18:54] because they think their partner doesn't like that podcast.

[1:18:56] Yes, exactly.

[1:18:57] The thing is, their partner wrote the same type of letter.

[1:18:59] Yeah.

[1:19:00] Is that podcast.

[1:19:01] Wow.

[1:19:02] Oh yeah, that's O'Henry's gift of the podcast.

[1:19:06] This is from Brad, last name withheld, who writes,

[1:19:08] Brad Lander?

[1:19:09] I was in Barcelona for my 40th birthday,

[1:19:12] and I took a run along the beach

[1:19:14] while listening to the peaches discuss Kangaroo Jack.

[1:19:17] The old beach peach, yep.

[1:19:19] During the podcast,

[1:19:20] Elliot brought up Blue by Eiffel 65,

[1:19:24] which I probably hadn't thought about for over a decade.

[1:19:28] The next day, I was in the Picasso Museum,

[1:19:31] and when I stepped into the room

[1:19:32] showcasing his Blue period,

[1:19:34] that song was instantly stuck in my head.

[1:19:36] The same song you listened to when he was painting those,

[1:19:38] that's why he did it that way.

[1:19:39] Yeah, that makes sense.

[1:19:40] My first thought was, you did this, Elliot, you did this.

[1:19:45] Thanks for all the wonderful podcasts.

[1:19:47] That's from Brad.

[1:19:48] You're welcome.

[1:19:49] I will actually tell a true story from my life,

[1:19:51] which is that just the day before yesterday,

[1:19:54] I was with my older son, Samuel,

[1:19:57] at a Cub Scout thing

[1:19:58] where people had to wear different color vests,

[1:19:59] and they were.

[1:20:00] saying, okay, what vest are you?

[1:20:01] And someone said, I'm blue.

[1:20:02] And then it was all over after a little bit.

[1:20:03] And I said to Sammy, I applaud your self-restraint

[1:20:06] that you didn't say, daboo-dee, daboo-die,

[1:20:08] when the guy said, I'm blue.

[1:20:09] And Sammy was like, oh, I didn't even think about that.

[1:20:11] And I was like, it's the first thing I thought of.

[1:20:13] It's the first thing I always think of.

[1:20:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah, are you even my son?

[1:20:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:20:18] Well, you're welcome.

[1:20:20] You're welcome, you're welcome, Brad.

[1:20:21] For that fifth down.

[1:20:22] Yeah. Yeah.

[1:20:23] Borderline novelty songs of the past lane.

[1:20:27] Borderline?

[1:20:28] Well, it's not like a, you know,

[1:20:30] it's not like a flying purple people-eater,

[1:20:32] you know, hello, bother.

[1:20:33] It's pretty close.

[1:20:34] I mean, they're both about aliens of different colors.

[1:20:36] Yeah, I guess.

[1:20:38] This, yeah, of all the novelty songs, Dan,

[1:20:40] you picked the wrong one as a counterexample.

[1:20:43] Dan brought receipts, but they were the wrong receipts,

[1:20:45] and he could not return the item.

[1:20:47] There was nothing in the song about a bikini

[1:20:50] that was itsy-bitsy.

[1:20:51] And also about colors.

[1:20:53] It's also about the object's color, Dan.

[1:20:55] Oh, boy.

[1:20:56] But now I wish both of those had spoken word intros.

[1:20:59] Let me tell you about a story about a bikini.

[1:21:03] This bikini was yellow with polka dots on it,

[1:21:06] and everyone who saw it was like, what a bikini.

[1:21:09] And then the song starts, and you're like, oh, okay.

[1:21:11] B-R-N-I-T-S-Y-B-I-T-S-Y.

[1:21:14] Here's a story about a guy who's purple and eats some flies,

[1:21:17] but he, or he eats purple people, it's not quite clear.

[1:21:21] But anyway, the thing is, he wants to be in a band.

[1:21:23] Now the song.

[1:21:25] Yeah.

[1:21:26] Now the song.

[1:21:28] That's how the end of that part.

[1:21:31] Now that you are adequately prepared for the song.

[1:21:34] Now that we've made it so you won't have surprises.

[1:21:38] This letter.

[1:21:39] Because we're worried that your heart might be too weak

[1:21:41] to take a song premise you're not prepared for.

[1:21:46] Very thoughtful narrator.

[1:21:48] This one is from-

[1:21:49] Now here's a story about a sandman who is entering.

[1:21:52] He wasn't there, and now this sandman's gonna enter.

[1:21:55] So when I say exit light and enter night,

[1:21:58] you know it's the sandman who's entering in.

[1:22:00] Ella, you're also bringing up a song

[1:22:01] that basically has a spoken word section in the middle.

[1:22:04] Yeah, that's true.

[1:22:05] But I mean, they're just saying, you know,

[1:22:06] they're just branding it.

[1:22:07] That's just to give you a break from the song.

[1:22:09] The song was rocking too hard.

[1:22:10] We were worried about you.

[1:22:11] We gotta-

[1:22:12] You need a break, yeah.

[1:22:13] You need a rest to have some orange slices, and yeah.

[1:22:15] Yeah, rehydrate.

[1:22:17] This one's from Tim.

[1:22:20] You're just so dehydrated from all that rock.

[1:22:23] This is from-

[1:22:24] All that headbanging is just shaking the sweat

[1:22:25] right out of your head.

[1:22:26] You need to replenish it.

[1:22:28] Tim, last name withheld.

[1:22:30] Who writes?

[1:22:31] Yeah, probably.

[1:22:32] Hey, Peaches, I started listening to your podcast in 2015,

[1:22:36] but dropped off in 2017.

[1:22:38] Oh.

[1:22:39] Now I'm listening again in 2023.

[1:22:41] Yay.

[1:22:42] So what did I miss?

[1:22:43] So what did I miss?

[1:22:45] Oh, wow.

[1:22:46] What did I miss?

[1:22:46] Not one of Leslie Odom's songs in that show,

[1:22:48] but he's in that show.

[1:22:49] Yeah.

[1:22:50] That's one of Daveed Diggs' songs.

[1:22:53] I don't know, man.

[1:22:54] What did we miss?

[1:22:54] Oh, there was a COVID thingy.

[1:22:55] We did some stuff during that.

[1:22:57] We do a lot of minis now.

[1:22:59] They're pretty good.

[1:23:02] Pretty hilarious.

[1:23:04] We covered the first of the Rogue Moon movies,

[1:23:06] and I think that catches us up.

[1:23:07] Rebel Moon, which I'm glad that it made such an impression

[1:23:10] that you got the name right.

[1:23:11] Oh, yeah.

[1:23:12] Oh, Rogue Moon I think is a novel.

[1:23:15] That old Rebel Moon, yep.

[1:23:16] Looking to see-

[1:23:18] I got married.

[1:23:19] I got remarried somewhere in there.

[1:23:20] That's a-

[1:23:22] Oh, yeah.

[1:23:22] I think that happened.

[1:23:24] We worked various jobs.

[1:23:26] There's a strike.

[1:23:27] We did a strike.

[1:23:29] Dan, my union went on strike.

[1:23:30] That's true.

[1:23:31] I got like super buff.

[1:23:33] Yeah, it's true.

[1:23:34] That is a thing to have.

[1:23:35] Yeah, super buffed up, super buffed, yeah.

[1:23:37] Yeah.

[1:23:38] He's got school.

[1:23:39] Yeah.

[1:23:40] Yeah, it's all...

[1:23:41] Elliot probably had like four more babies or something.

[1:23:44] Look at Treadmill Kalen over here.

[1:23:46] Yeah, my wife and I had another litter of children.

[1:23:49] Yeah.

[1:23:50] Yeah, I feel like that's not going to be

[1:23:53] Elliot's next line of work is Treadmill influencer

[1:23:56] who's like talks about how the ideal situation

[1:23:59] is like living on a farm and making like raising cows

[1:24:03] and making all your own food and I don't know.

[1:24:06] I don't think I do very well at it.

[1:24:07] Yeah.

[1:24:10] When you said Treadmill, I thought you said-

[1:24:11] Yeah.

[1:24:12] I thought you said-

[1:24:13] Treadmill.

[1:24:14] I thought you said Treadmill

[1:24:14] and I was like, I can get one of those.

[1:24:16] I thought you said Trandmill, like a Trandoshan,

[1:24:18] like Bosque and I was like, I could be a Bosque.

[1:24:20] Yeah, sure.

[1:24:21] Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.

[1:24:22] Yeah, that's what I meant when I said Tread.

[1:24:23] Now, what if the TV show Bosque-

[1:24:24] I'm glad that, yes, go on.

[1:24:25] Was about Bosque.

[1:24:27] I guarantee you there is somebody who's already

[1:24:30] fucking made like a mashup poster

[1:24:32] and sells it as a T-shirt.

[1:24:34] Yeah, probably.

[1:24:34] I guarantee you, no question.

[1:24:35] Yeah.

[1:24:36] And some Star Wars fan bought it for their dad

[1:24:39] who loves Bosque and he's like,

[1:24:41] I guess I'll wear this thing.

[1:24:43] And the dad's like, what the hell is this?

[1:24:44] I don't understand.

[1:24:46] I buy all my clothes at Costco,

[1:24:48] so I guess I can wear this non-Kirkland shirt.

[1:24:51] I was tickled by-

[1:24:52] This is worse than the Eric Zuckersberg shirt

[1:24:55] you made me.

[1:24:57] I enjoyed a recent Josh Gondelman tweet,

[1:24:59] which was about his dad trying to explain

[1:25:01] a TV show to him by saying,

[1:25:03] it's kind of like Bosque, but not that,

[1:25:06] but kind of not like Bosque.

[1:25:08] And it turned out the show was justified

[1:25:10] and I'm like, I guess that's true.

[1:25:13] That's a fair description.

[1:25:15] It is kind of like Bosque

[1:25:16] and they're both detective shows.

[1:25:19] And feature-

[1:25:20] And feature-

[1:25:21] Kind of not like Bosque.

[1:25:22] Shedwood Alums.

[1:25:23] Yeah.

[1:25:24] Yeah, yeah.

[1:25:25] Fits the bill.

[1:25:26] So if you're looking for a show

[1:25:28] that's kind of like Bosque, but not like Bosque,

[1:25:31] check out Justify, it's streaming now.

[1:25:35] Hey, this is the part of the show

[1:25:37] where we recommend movies that are a better use

[1:25:39] of your time than what we do with our time.

[1:25:42] Oh, okay, yeah.

[1:25:42] We just watch movies for the-

[1:25:44] Tell me about it.

[1:25:45] While we were on the road,

[1:25:48] this is an appropriate recommendation-

[1:25:49] We just got back from our tour,

[1:25:50] from our Errors West Coast tour,

[1:25:52] which we should mention,

[1:25:53] we should have mentioned this at the top, maybe.

[1:25:55] Actually, you know what?

[1:25:56] This episode's gonna come out,

[1:25:57] even though we're recording this before a mini,

[1:25:58] it's gonna come out after a mini.

[1:25:59] So during the mini, let's talk about

[1:26:00] how great our tour went

[1:26:02] and how proud we are of our audiences.

[1:26:03] Some reverse planning going on.

[1:26:04] Let's do it.

[1:26:06] Dan, I can't help it that I have memento syndrome.

[1:26:09] Anyway, what I was saying is,

[1:26:12] appropriate to this podcast,

[1:26:16] I will recommend a William Friedkin movie

[1:26:19] that I saw on the road.

[1:26:22] We had one night off and I was like,

[1:26:24] what am I gonna do with that night off?

[1:26:26] I'm gonna go to the movies.

[1:26:27] How could I best appreciate the nightlife of Los Angeles?

[1:26:31] I know, I'll go to a movie theater.

[1:26:32] To be fair, we were both located

[1:26:36] in not-so-beautiful downtown LA in our hotel.

[1:26:39] Wow.

[1:26:40] I'm making no friends today.

[1:26:43] I don't think anyone who lives in Los Angeles

[1:26:45] is gonna argue with me about this.

[1:26:47] No, no, it's, yeah.

[1:26:48] I mean, downtown is the place to go

[1:26:50] if you wanna try out a new restaurant,

[1:26:51] but to get there, you have to walk down a block

[1:26:53] that smells like human feces.

[1:26:55] Yeah, and I didn't wanna hop in a cab

[1:26:58] and go somewhere far away,

[1:26:59] which is what you gotta go do in LA.

[1:27:01] But six minutes away from where we were staying,

[1:27:04] lo and behold, they were playing Sorcerer,

[1:27:08] the William Friedkin movie that I had never seen.

[1:27:10] I had never seen Sorcerer,

[1:27:11] and I had been waiting to see it on the big screen,

[1:27:14] and there had been a couple-

[1:27:16] Lady Bird star Sorcerer Ronan.

[1:27:18] A couple of screenings that I couldn't go to.

[1:27:21] I was like, I keep missing my chance,

[1:27:22] and I finally saw it on the road.

[1:27:25] Did I almost fall asleep towards the end

[1:27:28] because we had been doing a grueling tour schedule?

[1:27:30] Yes, but I stayed awake and I really enjoyed it.

[1:27:34] I would say that the Wages of Fear,

[1:27:36] which Sorcerer is based on the same source material,

[1:27:40] although taking it in a very different way.

[1:27:42] Wages of Fear, one of my favorite movies.

[1:27:46] I think that if you feel the need to compare them,

[1:27:50] I still like Wages of Fear's approach a little bit better,

[1:27:53] but man, Sorcerer's good.

[1:27:55] It haunted me afterwards.

[1:27:57] It has some just very frightening set pieces in it,

[1:28:03] Roy Scheider is so good at being both tough and sensitive.

[1:28:08] You can see how his mind is falling apart

[1:28:11] over this grueling experience.

[1:28:14] All the other actors are tremendously compelling.

[1:28:18] Tangerine Dream, of course, did the score.

[1:28:21] How can you go wrong?

[1:28:23] So, I don't know.

[1:28:26] If you're a film buff and like me,

[1:28:28] somehow hasn't seen this major work, I like it.

[1:28:32] Dan, did you get the answer to the question

[1:28:34] of whether androids dream of electric tangerines?

[1:28:36] Mm-hmm.

[1:28:38] I did not, I did not.

[1:28:39] I forgot to say,

[1:28:41] I assume that was answered in an end credits sequence.

[1:28:44] Yeah.

[1:28:46] Yeah, so I'm gonna recommend a musical.

[1:28:50] I'm gonna recommend Dick's the Musical.

[1:28:52] I don't think we've recommended that one yet.

[1:28:54] It is a-

[1:28:56] Based on the Sporting Goods Store.

[1:28:57] It is based on the Sporting Goods Store.

[1:29:00] It is a-

[1:29:01] These balls gotta stock them up at Dick's Sports Hall.

[1:29:04] It's a very silly, queer musical

[1:29:09] about two long-lost twin brothers

[1:29:12] who meet while working at the same job,

[1:29:16] selling basically widgets,

[1:29:19] and they're working for Megan Thee Stallion,

[1:29:21] and they decide to get their mother and father

[1:29:24] to get back together. It sounds like you're making

[1:29:25] the movie up as you go along.

[1:29:26] And they're a, what I was not expecting

[1:29:30] were the prominently featured puppet sewer boy monsters

[1:29:36] that take up a large portion of the plot of this movie,

[1:29:39] these two little monster guys, and they are great,

[1:29:41] and it is the hardest I've laughed at a movie in years,

[1:29:44] I would imagine.

[1:29:46] It is such a silly thing,

[1:29:48] and it is, it's one of those movies,

[1:29:51] it's a movie where I'm like desperately hoping

[1:29:53] just regular, regular old Megan Thee Stallion fans

[1:29:56] are like, oh, what's this movie?

[1:29:58] I'll watch it, and then be like.

[1:30:00] have their minds blown by how strange this thing is.

[1:30:03] Yeah, I've heard great things.

[1:30:04] I really want it.

[1:30:05] It's really funny.

[1:30:07] So we're talking about The Exorcist.

[1:30:09] So I wanted to recommend a horror movie.

[1:30:11] So I'm recommending a movie called Carrie.

[1:30:13] Not the one you're thinking of.

[1:30:15] This is Carrie from, yeah.

[1:30:17] We just both recommend movies with,

[1:30:19] let's say horror elements in them.

[1:30:21] So I think we're on brand here, Ellie.

[1:30:23] You don't have to shame us.

[1:30:24] I think so, we'll see.

[1:30:25] So this is Carrie from 1952, directed by William Wyler.

[1:30:28] It's an adaptation of the novel Sister Carrie

[1:30:31] by Theodore Dreiser.

[1:30:31] And it's about the horror of needing money

[1:30:35] and how you live in a system where if you don't have money,

[1:30:38] your dreams are unattainable.

[1:30:40] And if you choose love over money, you will suffer for it.

[1:30:43] And so it's the story of a young woman, Carrie Meeber.

[1:30:46] She leaves her small town and goes to Chicago.

[1:30:48] And along the way, becomes the girlfriend,

[1:30:51] live-in girlfriend of a salesman who will not marry her.

[1:30:54] He's just too happy with his life and his freedom.

[1:30:57] But she falls in love with a restaurant maitre d'

[1:31:02] named Hurstwood.

[1:31:02] It was played by Laurence Olivier.

[1:31:03] Carrie Meeber was played by Jennifer Jones.

[1:31:05] And it kind of becomes Laurence Olivier's movie

[1:31:08] from that point on where he falls in love with Carrie,

[1:31:12] but he has a wife, he has a family,

[1:31:14] and he has this ostensibly lucrative, respectable job

[1:31:19] as the maitre d' at a very respectable restaurant.

[1:31:22] And he puts all that at risk for his love of Carrie.

[1:31:24] And he pays for it dramatically as his life falls apart.

[1:31:28] And it's funny because they kind of,

[1:31:32] they made the ending of the movie a little bit

[1:31:34] slightly more positive than the ending of the book,

[1:31:36] but it's still pretty grim.

[1:31:37] I mean, the book has a very grim ending,

[1:31:39] but it still feels like a very grim kind of like-

[1:31:42] It's like Dead or Alive, the Takeshi Miyake movie.

[1:31:44] Exactly, yeah.

[1:31:45] Which is also based on a Theodore Dreiser novel, yeah.

[1:31:48] I think that's based on Jenny Gerhardt, yeah.

[1:31:51] The, but it's a, it's still a, it's a real bracing movie.

[1:31:56] It's a movie where characters continue to have life

[1:31:58] smack them in the face over and over again.

[1:32:00] And the ending is still fairly rough,

[1:32:02] even though it's sentimental.

[1:32:03] And it's from 1952.

[1:32:05] And I wonder if it was taken at the time

[1:32:08] for the way I was taking it,

[1:32:10] which was very much a movie about, like I'm saying,

[1:32:12] the need for money and how if you don't have money,

[1:32:15] if you're not well off, if you're not stable in that way,

[1:32:19] you cannot have the things in life

[1:32:20] that other people desire or sometimes take for granted.

[1:32:23] And it's, I found it very powerful in that way.

[1:32:26] So that's Carrie,

[1:32:27] not the Carrie about the telekinetic girl.

[1:32:30] That's also a good movie,

[1:32:31] but it's a different movie called Carrie.

[1:32:34] Wow, we did it.

[1:32:34] I don't know, it sounds pretty complex.

[1:32:36] I'll just watch the telekinetic girl one.

[1:32:37] I mean, if anything, the plot,

[1:32:39] so this is about a man who falls in love with a woman

[1:32:41] and it wrecks his life.

[1:32:42] Carrie the telekinetic is a movie about a girl

[1:32:45] who upon puberty, she has superpowers.

[1:32:47] I'm telling you it's too hard for my brain

[1:32:49] to fathom that there's another movie named Carrie.

[1:32:52] So I'm just gonna watch it.

[1:32:53] Oh, I see.

[1:32:55] Hey, this podcast is on the Maximum Fun Podcasting Network.

[1:33:01] We're getting ready to gear up for Max Fun Drive.

[1:33:04] They've got a lot of great shows over there.

[1:33:07] Why don't you check out maximumfun.org.

[1:33:10] Check some of those out.

[1:33:12] Thank you to our producer, Alex Smith,

[1:33:15] who goes by HowlDotty on the internet.

[1:33:18] And he does a lot of great work of his own podcasts,

[1:33:22] music, check that out.

[1:33:25] And if you have the time and the inclination,

[1:33:28] leave us five-star review on iTunes, maybe.

[1:33:33] Leave us a five-star review.

[1:33:35] A definite article would help that sentence out.

[1:33:39] And if you don't have the inclination-

[1:33:39] Please don't take off a star for that.

[1:33:41] Maybe do it.

[1:33:42] I'll be leaving five one-star reviews, Dan.

[1:33:45] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[1:33:47] It's me, the straw man.

[1:33:49] It's me, LaMashtu.

[1:33:51] If you don't- The straw man.

[1:33:53] If you don't like the show,

[1:33:55] don't put the energy into trying to take us down.

[1:33:57] Really, what's the point, you know?

[1:33:59] Yeah, what's the point, man?

[1:34:00] We're the let live.

[1:34:01] Yeah. What would be the point?

[1:34:02] Why would you do that?

[1:34:03] YOLO, you know?

[1:34:04] We're such small peaches.

[1:34:05] Why would you take us down?

[1:34:06] Yeah. Yeah.

[1:34:07] We're little peaches.

[1:34:08] We can't defend ourselves.

[1:34:09] We're fuzzy and- We'll get squashed.

[1:34:11] Yeah, we'll get smooshed.

[1:34:13] Uh, but, uh, you know what?

[1:34:15] This has been The Flop House,

[1:34:16] and for The Flop House, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:34:18] Hey, I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:34:20] I'm Elliot Kaelin.

[1:34:23] Uh, okay, bye, buh!

[1:34:25] But did you expect another song,

[1:34:26] so another Imagine Dragons reference?

[1:34:28] Why did that take everybody by surprise?

[1:34:29] Come on.

[1:34:31] Bye.

[1:34:35] I got a bad one.

[1:34:37] Can I try this bad one?

[1:34:38] Yeah, of course you can.

[1:34:39] On this episode, we discuss

[1:34:40] the exorcist believer.

[1:34:43] You made me a, you made me a exorcist.

[1:34:46] An exorcist.

[1:34:50] That's a hot song.

[1:34:50] That's a popular song now,

[1:34:52] or was it two years ago?

[1:34:53] No, a long time ago at this point.

[1:34:55] But it's still terrible, so.

[1:34:57] Is that Imagine Dragons?

[1:34:58] Yep.

[1:34:59] Hey, Dan, Dan, imagine some dragons.

[1:35:02] Okay.

[1:35:03] Okay, I'm having a better time

[1:35:04] than listening to the music.

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