Ep.#417 - Exorcist: Believer

Stuart Wellington

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss The Exorcist, colon believer.

[0:05] Love it or leave it.

[0:06] You got to believe it.

[0:07] We watch an Exorcist movie.

[0:09] Bye.

[0:30] Hey, everyone.

Dan McCoy

[0:35] Welcome to The Flophouse.

[0:36] I'm Dan McCoy.

Elliott Kalan

[0:37] Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:38] I'm Elliot Kalin.

[0:39] We're going to have an interesting show for you today.

[0:41] Dan's on cold medicine.

[0:43] One of my kids is home with a cold.

[0:45] And Stuart, he's just cold-hearted.

[0:47] Yep.

Dan McCoy

[0:47] Oh, man.

[0:48] Look into his eyes.

[0:50] Oh, uh-oh.

[0:51] He's been telling lies.

[0:53] I haven't been?

Stuart Wellington

[0:54] But I am a lover boy at play.

[0:57] The thing is, the rules, I don't play by him.

Elliott Kalan

[0:59] No, no.

[1:00] You're also kind of a jukebox hero, right?

[1:02] Turn in your lover boy badge and gun.

[1:05] Oh, no.

[1:07] I guess it would be condoms?

[1:09] Yep.

[1:10] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[1:10] Yeah, I mean, it's kind of both things, right?

[1:12] Is that like equivalent to like a silencer?

Stuart Wellington

[1:14] Or where does that fit in the...

Elliott Kalan

[1:15] Yeah, it's like a silencer for your penis.

[1:17] Because it contains the sound when you ejaculate.

Stuart Wellington

[1:20] Because normally when I bust, it sounds crazy.

[1:22] Yeah, it's a sonic boom.

[1:24] It sounds like a balloon deflating.

[1:27] Well, you sing about it like Ray Parker Jr.

Dan McCoy

[1:29] So it's loud.

Stuart Wellington

[1:31] Yeah, I'm shouting, mommy!

Dan McCoy

[1:36] Wow.

[1:37] We're not winning any new listeners with the beginning of this episode.

[1:40] Okay.

[1:41] Nope.

Stuart Wellington

[1:41] That was the plan of this Exorcist-believer episode?

Elliott Kalan

[1:45] Yeah.

[1:45] People said, oh, I can't wait to hear about this movie that I forgot about existing.

[1:49] Yeah, I'm going to jump in on a big one, a hot one.

Dan McCoy

[1:52] This Exorcist-believer movie sounds good.

[1:55] Hey, this is a podcast.

Stuart Wellington

[1:56] Like, oh, recently added a peacock.

[1:58] Huh, okay.

[1:59] This sounds...

[2:00] Oh, man, can't wait to...

[2:01] Yeah.

[2:01] Let's do a whole podcast.

[2:02] Oh, I've heard good things about the Exorcist.

Elliott Kalan

[2:04] Oh, wait.

[2:04] Let me look at the small type.

[2:05] Believer.

[2:06] Oh, this is not the one I thought it was.

Dan McCoy

[2:08] I mean, if I know anything about streaming in two years, this will be the most inexplicably

[2:12] popular thing ever.

[2:13] Yeah.

[2:14] Yeah.

[2:14] The procedural based on it.

Elliott Kalan

[2:15] And talk about streaming.

[2:16] More like screaming.

[2:17] Because this is a horror movie.

[2:18] And Dan, what do we do on this podcast?

Dan McCoy

[2:21] This is a podcast where we watch bad movies and talk about them.

[2:24] You know, we have a whole month devoted to screaming coming up later in the year.

[2:30] Scream-temper.

[2:31] Yeah.

[2:31] We don't need to stick to that for horror movies.

[2:37] We realize we can have a little fun once in a while.

Stuart Wellington

[2:39] It's me, the straw man.

[2:40] I'm saying, hey, Dan, you can only do horror movies in the stream-temper.

Dan McCoy

[2:45] We can have fun once in a while.

[2:46] Let us have fun.

Elliott Kalan

[2:47] Once again, that Dan has to get rid of his arch nemesis, the straw man, who's always making

[2:52] Dan do explanatory advisories and provisos about things no one cares about.

[2:58] All right.

Dan McCoy

[2:58] Well, fuck both of you.

[3:00] So we watched Exorcist, The Exorcist Believer.

[3:06] David Gordon Green was-

Elliott Kalan

[3:09] Now, this is not Exorcist versus Severcist.

[3:12] No.

[3:13] Ballistic.

[3:13] No.

[3:14] No.

[3:14] Nope, it's not.

[3:15] I know you were excited.

Dan McCoy

[3:16] Well, it was certainly worth interrupting the sentence I had already started.

Elliott Kalan

[3:19] Tell us about David Gordon Green.

[3:21] I apologize.

Dan McCoy

[3:22] You know, he got tired of doing questionable things to the Halloween franchise and decided

[3:28] to move over to another classic of the 70s horror.

Stuart Wellington

[3:32] Yeah.

[3:33] Yeah.

[3:34] I mean, not to throw shade at David Gordon Green.

[3:37] I love a lot of his TV work.

Dan McCoy

[3:39] He has done some really good stuff.

[3:42] He's made some very good movies.

[3:43] Yeah.

[3:43] I do not think he has a particular aptitude for horror and he seems to want to do a lot

[3:48] of it.

[3:48] But he loves horror.

[3:50] Yeah.

[3:51] Meh.

Elliott Kalan

[3:51] Meh.

[3:52] Meh.

[3:52] He has a very, he's a very, got a very eclectic filmography where he started out doing

[3:58] very kind of like emotion-based independent, atmospheric independent films.

[4:03] He also did Pineapple Express and Your Highness.

[4:06] And then once he got like drug humor out of his system, he was like, time to go to the horror

[4:10] movies of the 70s.

[4:11] I mean, he also made like Joe.

[4:12] He's made a number of like different.

[4:15] If you look at like Robert Wise to find a more, you know, all over the place filmography,

[4:20] you know.

Dan McCoy

[4:21] I try not to be mean on this show and I don't, I'm not trying to be mean here.

[4:24] Like I think he's done great work.

[4:26] It's just mostly not in horror, which is what he's turned his hand to.

[4:30] Like even the, even the first Halloween new movie, which everyone was pretty high on.

[4:37] I was like, yeah, this is fine.

[4:39] Like I like it as a cap off to the movies that I liked from a long time ago.

[4:46] This is a nice little ending.

[4:47] And then of course it was successful.

[4:49] So they made more of them.

[4:50] It was actually that one.

Stuart Wellington

[4:52] Guys, I hate to interrupt.

[4:53] I just got a text message from one of my beer reps.

[4:55] Yeah.

[4:55] And it says, by all means, he says, Hey, just a heads up.

[4:59] It's a Superbowl week.

[5:00] And I'm like, oh boy, I'm going to roast this guy in the group chat right now.

[5:06] Superbowl.

[5:06] What an idiot.

Elliott Kalan

[5:09] No, no, he means that they're giving out free Superbowls for national Superbowl week

[5:13] from Whammo.

[5:14] Heads up.

Dan McCoy

[5:15] You may not know about this.

[5:16] A national holiday.

[5:18] Sporting event.

Stuart Wellington

[5:20] Okay.

[5:20] Sorry for interrupting.

[5:21] So we've, we've, uh, we just covered that Dave and Gordon Green's horror movies aren't

[5:25] very good.

[5:25] Right.

[5:25] And that they're all like dredging up nostalgia bait bullshit.

[5:29] Yeah.

[5:30] I mean.

[5:30] I mean, you said that just now.

[5:32] Oh, oh yeah.

[5:33] I just did.

[5:33] Uh, do you guys disagree?

[5:34] Are you like, no, I like it when they bring back, uh, they do legacy quals and bring back

[5:39] people from the original movies and have them kind of do fan fictiony type shit.

[5:43] And also like, uh, are kind of disrespected by the movie that we're watching.

Elliott Kalan

[5:48] To me, to me, I haven't, I actually haven't seen any of his Halloween movies because I just

[5:51] figured I don't need to, but.

Stuart Wellington

[5:53] You've seen the Rob zombies.

[5:54] That's all you needed.

[5:55] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[5:55] Exactly.

[5:55] I saw the originals.

[5:56] The Rob zombie ones.

Stuart Wellington

[5:58] Yeah.

[5:59] You jumped into your Dragula, you went to the movie theater and you watched them.

Elliott Kalan

[6:02] Yeah.

[6:03] Yeah.

[6:03] I got into my month, my hopped up homemade monster car.

[6:08] Uh, but yeah, the, uh, but I, in general, I am not a huge fan of the legacy sequel trend,

[6:15] which I guess did Tron legacy start that or was it something else that started it?

Stuart Wellington

[6:19] I mean, I feel like, I feel like Matt Singer coined legacy quals.

[6:23] So I'll just shoot him a text after the show and he'll give us all the info.

Elliott Kalan

[6:26] And when he's done, when he's done killing himself with the menu of the, uh, what, what,

[6:31] what the, uh, the Barbie themed, uh, Denny's menu, he'll, he'll, I think he already did that

Stuart Wellington

[6:36] and he did the, it was a Wonka Denny's menu that was particularly horrifying.

[6:40] Uh, but I don't know what's, what's next.

[6:42] What, what other, like, is there going to be a dune menu where you eat like a fucking bowl

[6:46] of sand or something?

[6:46] It's a bowl of sand and worms.

Dan McCoy

[6:48] Yeah.

[6:49] The big Denny's drive away dolls.

Stuart Wellington

[6:53] Yeah.

[6:54] Yeah.

[6:54] The love lies bleeding special menu.

[6:56] It's all protein powder.

Dan McCoy

[6:58] Solo work of the Coens.

Elliott Kalan

[6:59] We're going to.

[7:00] He's sitting, he's sitting in Applebee's right now having the Applebee's Argyle-a-thon menu.

Stuart Wellington

[7:04] Oh no.

[7:05] It's just cat food.

[7:07] Oh gross.

[7:08] It's just cat food and bags.

[7:09] Yep.

Dan McCoy

[7:11] Um, I don't know.

[7:12] Tell us about this movie, Stuart.

[7:13] Why don't you.

[7:14] Oh yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[7:14] Let's fire this fucker up.

[7:16] So.

[7:17] What's your experience with the.

Elliott Kalan

[7:18] You guys have seen the Exorcist before, right?

[7:20] The original one.

[7:20] And we did the Exorcist too.

Dan McCoy

[7:22] For a live streaming show.

[7:24] I think that's one that's available on YouTube.

[7:26] Uh, for those who want to check it out.

Elliott Kalan

[7:28] Before we get to the movie, I just want to say.

[7:30] I like that first Exorcist movie.

[7:32] That's a really good movie.

[7:33] That first Exorcist.

[7:34] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[7:35] Uh, and it's a movie that, I mean, we'll get into maybe my theological problems with these

[7:39] sorts of, of, uh, films later on.

[7:42] But it's a movie that I think sort of weaponizes the fact that we live in a secular world, uh,

[7:53] for the horror of, of like this unexplained thing happening better than like, you know, uh, possession

[8:01] movies that came afterwards that kind of like assume like, yeah, we all buy into this cosmology

[8:07] of the universe.

[8:08] You know?

[8:08] Yeah.

[8:08] She's having sex with a tentacle monster.

Stuart Wellington

[8:10] I get it.

[8:11] Yeah.

[8:13] It's a possession movie.

[8:14] Technically I'm correct.

Elliott Kalan

[8:15] You're technically correct.

[8:16] Possession is a movie about a woman having sex with a tentacle monster.

[8:20] It is.

[8:20] I mean, as much as I like the Exorcist.

Stuart Wellington

[8:22] So I'm on, I'm on the scoreboard.

Elliott Kalan

[8:23] Should we update the Super Bowl?

[8:24] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[8:25] That Super Bowl.

[8:26] We're rolling nothing.

[8:27] As much as I like the Exorcist, I do like Possession more.

[8:30] I mean, Possession is, is a scarier movie that, that goes straight into my veins more than,

[8:34] uh, more than the Exorcist.

[8:35] But the Exorcist is still very good.

Dan McCoy

[8:36] I guess I'm saying that the Exorcist takes like kind of like mainstream, a mainstream

[8:43] major American religion and makes it seem horrifying in the way that like other movies of this

[8:52] ilk, I think, ask me to buy into something that maybe I don't necessarily want to.

[8:58] That like, uh, that there's all these like supernatural things going on all the time and

[9:03] we need the church to save us.

Elliott Kalan

[9:04] I mean, anytime you watch one of these movies, you have to suspend your disbelief that the

[9:09] devil does not exist.

[9:10] But I've watched so many movies where I have to, I mean, Dan, I had to break it to you.

[9:14] Wookies are not real either.

Dan McCoy

[9:15] No, I, I know, I knew that you were going to make this argument and my rebuttal to it

[9:19] is like, with like-

[9:21] That wookies are real?

Elliott Kalan

[9:23] Dan, I didn't want you to have to find out this way.

[9:24] That's not a wookie.

[9:25] That's just a hairy guy, you know.

Dan McCoy

[9:27] With vampires, like, I'm not saying that there's no one out there who like believes that they

[9:33] exist, you know, like there's someone, there's some goth person wearing a frilly velvet robe

[9:38] right now and good on you for believing in vampires.

[9:42] But like-

[9:42] You're going to want to meet that person.

Stuart Wellington

[9:43] Yeah, he's going to be crushing out a solo black metal record.

Dan McCoy

[9:46] I'm just saying that like, with that, I don't have to deal with the fact that there are a

[9:51] bunch of people in real life that believe this shit and it leads them to do a lot of stuff

[9:56] that I don't agree with.

[9:58] Yes, well, and I think you're right about that.

Elliott Kalan

[10:00] In the original Exorcist, I think they walk that line pretty well because they really only

[10:03] talk about the devil or not devil aspects of the church.

[10:06] Whereas this episode, they start to talk about abortion at one point in a way that I was like,

[10:11] this is getting into, this movie is taking on water that it cannot hold, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[10:16] Thank you.

[10:17] Yeah, my only problem with the original Exorcist is I feel like it's a little cliched to cast

[10:21] Max von Sydow in the movie because you know that dude's going to be the bad guy, right?

Elliott Kalan

[10:26] Stuart, I hate to break it to you.

[10:28] That's the one movie that Ingmar Bergman didn't make where Max von Sydow is not the bad guy.

Stuart Wellington

[10:32] Wait a minute.

[10:33] I thought he played a Catholic priest and you're saying he's not the bad guy?

Elliott Kalan

[10:38] Once again, Stuart's extreme leftist secular politics.

[10:43] His neoliberal anarchism is, not neoliberal, his, what would you, neoliberal is basically

[10:48] conservative.

[10:49] You would be what a, like a, like a, I don't know, progressive anarchist.

Stuart Wellington

[10:54] I describe myself as a classic stinker.

[10:56] I'm just amazed.

Dan McCoy

[10:58] We, we've like barely ever used the scoreboard before.

[11:01] And now it's on it twice.

[11:03] Tearing it up.

[11:04] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[11:04] Oh man, it's on fire.

Elliott Kalan

[11:05] We'll have the storage unit.

[11:08] Amazingly, in this year's presidential debates, the stinker party got enough votes for Stuart

Stuart Wellington

[11:12] to be, to be on the debate stage.

[11:15] It's a problem though, because I, like, I'm such a force of personality that when I leave,

[11:19] my other stinkers, they just don't have my same level of charm.

[11:22] So they won't be able to hold off.

[11:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[11:24] And that's what leads to January stinks.

[11:25] Oh no.

[11:27] Other stinkers.

[11:27] Thanks, Elliot.

[11:28] Thanks for telegraphing the future.

[11:31] So, boom.

[11:33] Exorcist.

[11:34] Believer.

[11:35] The movie.

[11:35] First off, guys, believer.

[11:37] Who's the believer in this movie?

[11:39] Think about it.

[11:40] Well, maybe you can answer it after the movie.

Elliott Kalan

[11:41] That's a good question, because there's a couple different people who could be the believer,

[11:45] and we're talking about belief in it.

[11:47] And it's a, it was only after the movie was over that I was like, oh, I guess the title

[11:51] is about different beliefs, there are different types of belief.

[11:54] It just felt like such a generic title going into it that I didn't really think about it

[11:58] until it was over.

Stuart Wellington

[12:00] So, the movie opens in Haiti.

[12:03] Our characters are Victor and Soren, Soreen, who are, I believe, a married couple.

[12:09] She's pregnant.

[12:10] He's a photographer.

[12:11] He's taking, it actually opens with him taking photos of dogs fighting, and I'm like, oh,

[12:17] what's this representing?

[12:18] And I guess we'll find out later.

Elliott Kalan

[12:20] And Victor is played by Leslie Odom, Leslie Odom Jr., who, I know Stuart and I have seen

[12:25] him on stage.

[12:25] Dan, you must have.

[12:26] You saw the original Hamilton cast, right?

Dan McCoy

[12:28] I also saw him on stage, and he is the main thing keeping this movie from flying.

[12:33] Off the rails completely.

[12:34] He is very good in this movie.

[12:36] Yes.

[12:37] Yes, he's very good.

[12:38] He's a great actor.

Elliott Kalan

[12:38] But I just wanted to mention, this wasn't just Elliot having seen this person in a play.

[12:42] All three of us have seen this person in a play.

[12:45] Stuart and I went to it together.

Stuart Wellington

[12:47] Yep.

[12:47] Holding hands.

[12:48] Tears in our eyes.

[12:50] Yeah, and then we skipped away into the rainbow road to Valhalla.

Dan McCoy

[12:53] Not to jump ahead, but do you also see Norbert Leo Butts on stage?

[12:57] Because I did in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels opposite John Lithgow.

Elliott Kalan

[13:01] Ironically, he is one of the guys who's in a lot of Broadway plays who I think I've never

Dan McCoy

[13:05] actually seen in a Broadway play.

[13:07] He plays one of the dads, the other dad.

Stuart Wellington

[13:10] Yeah.

[13:10] Okay, so Serene, who I said was pregnant, is still pregnant.

[13:14] She's getting her baby blessed by some local women.

[13:21] And later on, she's like, yeah, these women offered to give a blessing to our unborn baby.

[13:26] And he's like, okay, that's fine.

Dan McCoy

[13:27] This little boy brought her over there.

[13:29] I'm like, don't follow this little boy.

[13:30] That's how gremlins get into your life.

[13:33] That's how you get a gremlin.

[13:33] Yeah, that's how you get a gremlin.

[13:33] That is how you get a gremlin.

[13:34] Which is technically what they're trying to do.

[13:36] She's trying to give birth to a little boy.

Elliott Kalan

[13:37] They're trying to bring a little gremlin into being, yeah.

[13:40] And I'll tell you, the same rules apply.

[13:42] Don't feed a kid after midnight.

[13:43] They should be in bed already.

[13:45] Don't get them wet unless they're taking a bath.

[13:48] They don't like to take baths.

[13:49] Kids are sticky enough.

[13:50] Actually, you got to wipe them off.

[13:51] Yeah.

[13:52] And don't show them sunlight.

[13:56] Yeah.

[13:57] Because you want them to be real like pale ghost children who are real spooky.

[14:00] And they look in windows and they scare people walking by.

[14:03] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[14:03] Is there one of the rules, don't shoot them with the electric gremlin?

[14:06] Is that in the rules?

[14:08] That's kind of an unspoken rule.

[14:10] That's going to fuck up your gremlins.

Elliott Kalan

[14:11] Especially not if they're wet.

[14:12] Yeah.

[14:13] It's going to wreck your gremlins.

[14:14] Sometimes you want that to happen.

[14:16] Like once, one time you wanted that to happen.

[14:18] But also, kids love Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

[14:21] Gremlins love Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

[14:23] Same thing.

Stuart Wellington

[14:24] Yeah.

[14:24] All these rules also apply to my novelty gremlin fleshlight.

Elliott Kalan

[14:29] Now, let's tell us more about this.

Stuart Wellington

[14:32] Well, you can't feed it after midnight.

[14:35] That thing will get fucking crazy.

Elliott Kalan

[14:36] And don't get it wet.

[14:37] You'll break it.

Stuart Wellington

[14:38] Yeah.

[14:38] That's the problem.

[14:40] You got to clean.

[14:41] No, nothing like a dry J-O session.

[14:47] Okay.

[14:47] You also don't want to use that in open sunlight.

Elliott Kalan

[14:50] Because people just look at you weird.

Stuart Wellington

[14:51] Yeah.

[14:52] Dan says that.

[14:52] He's watching our listener numbers deplete rapidly.

Elliott Kalan

[14:55] In real time.

[14:57] Somehow.

[14:57] Somehow in the future.

[14:59] Yeah.

[14:59] Okay.

[15:00] But it's got the green kind of mottled skin of a gremlin.

Stuart Wellington

[15:03] Yeah, dude.

[15:05] Why else would I buy it?

[15:07] What's wrong with you?

Dan McCoy

[15:09] What about gremlin-themed fleshlight?

[15:10] Don't you understand, Elliot?

Elliott Kalan

[15:11] No, you're right.

[15:12] You're right.

[15:12] I don't know a bunch of fleshlights.

[15:14] Does it make noise?

[15:14] Does it go like, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee?

Stuart Wellington

[15:16] Are you having sex with it?

[15:17] Well, it makes noise.

[15:18] But it's more like you're mixing macaroni.

[15:22] Oh, God.

[15:23] No.

[15:24] God.

[15:24] No.

[15:26] Dan, you knew we were going to talk about this.

[15:27] It's the Exorcist Believer episode.

[15:29] You're right.

[15:29] It was in the notes.

[15:31] How did I not realize this was going to come up?

[15:32] Yeah, you didn't get the email about what we're covering?

[15:34] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[15:35] Spend 10 minutes on fleshlight.

[15:37] It would be.

Elliott Kalan

[15:37] How surprising would it have been if later in the film, Leslie Edelman Jr. is just like,

[15:43] oh, I got to deal with the fact that my daughter's been possessed by the devil.

[15:46] I got to get some of this stress out.

[15:47] So much stress.

[15:47] And just pulls out a fleshlight.

Stuart Wellington

[15:49] And I'm like, dog, you have that in a house with children?

[15:52] Because children get into everything.

[15:53] She's going to find that thing.

[15:54] And those are harder to explain than a vibrator, I think.

[15:57] Yeah, that's why you need a safe.

[15:58] You need to put them in a safe.

[15:59] It's like what Dan was complaining about the other day.

[16:01] The double standard our society has on different genders sex toys.

Dan McCoy

[16:07] No, well, I mean, everyone should have a sex toy that wants one.

[16:10] I'm pro that, I guess.

[16:12] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[16:12] So Dan's just thrown in a free ad for sex toys on our podcast.

[16:16] Yeah, thanks, Dan.

Dan McCoy

[16:17] The sex toy council.

[16:18] It's just sort of a non-specific booster group.

Stuart Wellington

[16:23] So after traveling around, checking out a church, there is an earthquake in Haiti.

[16:31] And they are separated.

[16:33] And Victor, played by Leslie Odom Jr., finds his wife trapped under rock.

[16:37] And the rescue workers are like, we can only save her or the baby.

[16:43] And his dying wife says, you know, protect her.

[16:47] Which is, I guess, the rules that he's going to live by the rest of the movie.

Dan McCoy

[16:51] And I'd like to say that other than sort of drafting off of a real-life tragedy,

[16:55] for me, this first section is the most successful in the movie.

[16:59] Like, it has atmosphere.

[17:02] It has some tension.

[17:03] Like, I think Green, I want to, you know, be clear.

[17:07] Again, it's not like I don't like him.

[17:09] I'm trying to figure out what doesn't work for me about his horror movies.

[17:13] Because I do think that he is good at atmosphere.

[17:16] But maybe bad at tension.

Elliott Kalan

[17:18] I think maybe that's part of it.

[17:19] I think it's more of a story problem than it is a production or directing problem.

[17:25] But I will say, I'll give them credit for, I was ready for them to bring in some kind of evil voodoo

[17:32] that the church has to, that the priest has to undo, like the baby has been cursed or something.

[17:36] Yeah, yeah.

[17:37] And I was very glad that they didn't do that.

[17:38] Luckily, that wasn't the case, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[17:40] I feel, Dan, just like off the top of my dome,

[17:44] I think one of the issues at least I have with his Halloween movies is,

[17:48] I feel like the point of view feels a little off.

[17:51] Like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be scared for the people that are getting killed

[17:56] or if I should be saying, wow, this is cool.

Dan McCoy

[17:58] Yeah, I mean, I would say that that's a problem with any late period slasher movie,

[18:03] though, including many in your beloved Friday the 13th series,

Stuart Wellington

[18:07] where I'm like, who am I sympathizing with here?

[18:10] I mean, I'm sympathizing with Jason because he's the man.

Elliott Kalan

[18:13] I was, did you got, my internet froze for a sec.

[18:15] Did you guys hear what I was saying about Haiti or no?

Stuart Wellington

[18:18] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[18:19] And we all agreed with you.

[18:21] Okay, great, great.

[18:22] And we also said, you're the best, you're the funniest guy we know.

[18:25] I appreciate that.

[18:26] Oh, I missed it.

[18:26] And I made it on the scoreboard?

[18:29] Great.

[18:29] Yeah, Dan whipped out a ukulele and sang a little song,

[18:32] kind of talking about how great you are.

[18:34] Oh, wow.

[18:35] Yeah, you missed a lot.

[18:36] Okay, so.

Dan McCoy

[18:37] It happened just outside of the Zoom frame, though, so you didn't see it.

Stuart Wellington

[18:39] So, 13 years later, what?

[18:43] Who did he choose?

[18:44] Well, we find out because Victor is now living with his daughter, Angela, which, of course,

[18:49] is hilarious.

[18:50] Anytime you have a movie with devils and shit and there's a character named Angela, you're

[18:54] like, oh, oh, oh, good one, good name.

Elliott Kalan

[18:56] But what if it was, what if you had seen a picture of Judith Light in the house and you're

[19:00] like, oh, she's named after Judith Light's character on Who's the Boss?

Stuart Wellington

[19:03] I mean, I would give this movie a lot more credit at that point.

[19:08] Okay, fair.

[19:08] But it's like that old, did you ever see that Ben Stiller show sketch?

[19:12] What is it like?

[19:14] Like, Hackneyed Tales of Clichéd Horror where he plays a, where Ben Stiller plays a radio

[19:19] like shock jock who is in hell and he's like, he occasionally looks like longingly at a

[19:26] photo of his girlfriend named Angela.

[19:29] And she like calls and tries to tell him to like come back.

[19:32] It's funny.

[19:32] It's a good bit.

[19:33] It's a good bit.

[19:34] Yeah.

[19:34] So he lives with his daughter.

[19:36] They have, they seem to have a pretty fun relationship.

[19:39] She.

Elliott Kalan

[19:39] He's a good dad.

[19:40] He's put, he's put all of himself into being the father that he needs to be for her since

[19:45] she doesn't have a mother.

Dan McCoy

[19:45] Other than he is extremely overprotective.

[19:48] He seems to like always have her come directly home.

[19:51] Well, his wife did die in an earthquake, Dan.

[19:55] Yeah.

[19:55] So you think the earthquake's stalking her to finish the job?

[19:58] I've seen Jaws 4.

Elliott Kalan

[19:59] I thought we were watching Earthquake 4, The Revenge.

[20:01] And now the earthquake was going to follow them.

Dan McCoy

[20:03] I mean, I understand psychologically why he might be overprotective.

[20:07] I'm just saying that that is his flaw as a father, I think.

[20:09] I see.

[20:10] Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Elliott Kalan

[20:11] Although if he had been watching her more closely, maybe she wouldn't have gone into

[20:14] the woods and not possessed by the devil.

Dan McCoy

[20:16] The devil district.

Stuart Wellington

[20:17] Maybe she would have had wandered into the hell part of the woods.

[20:20] Yeah.

[20:21] So they like play hide and seek a little bit.

[20:23] They argue about vegetarianism.

[20:25] She's like super curious about her mom, but he's very protective about his dead wife's

[20:32] things.

[20:34] And he keeps things from his daughter.

[20:38] I guess it's out of a sense of his own loss, whatever.

[20:41] At school, Angela meets up with her friend Catherine and they make plans to sneak off into the woods

[20:50] after school and lie to both of their parents so they can go off and do a seance.

[20:56] So Angela can talk to her mom.

Elliott Kalan

[20:59] Oh, no.

[20:59] They don't expect anything bad to happen.

[21:01] Their plans are pretty simple.

[21:02] Into the woods, into the woods, into the woods, and home before dark.

[21:07] That's the plan.

[21:08] Yep.

Stuart Wellington

[21:09] Is that a reference to a musical?

Elliott Kalan

[21:11] It very much is.

[21:13] The music was called...

[21:14] Wait, let me check my notes.

[21:16] Merrily We Roll Along.

Stuart Wellington

[21:18] Oh, okay.

[21:19] So they find like...

[21:22] They sneak off into the woods.

[21:23] You know, they made plans like, you tell your parents that we're having stovetop at your

[21:26] house.

[21:27] And I'll tell my parents we're having stovetop at their house.

[21:30] And so it's just...

Elliott Kalan

[21:31] Can we talk about that commercial for a moment?

[21:32] I was like, it's very funny.

[21:33] That they are going to go to both houses.

[21:36] So their parents will know at a certain point that they're not actually having dinner at

[21:40] the other house, right?

[21:42] I would imagine.

[21:43] At least one of them, I think.

[21:43] Yeah.

[21:44] Then...

Dan McCoy

[21:44] Yeah.

[21:46] Well, what is the story then at that point?

[21:47] Like, oh, we tried to go over there, but we were cast out by the other parents.

[21:52] I mean...

[21:53] The door was locked to us.

Stuart Wellington

[21:54] The easiest answer is, we ate stovetop there, and it was so good, we wanted more, right?

Elliott Kalan

[21:59] But they're trying to arrange, like, can I have dinner at Bobby's house tonight?

[22:02] But then they're going to show up at their house and still have to...

[22:04] Like, we went to Bobby's house, and his parents had a key party, so we weren't...

[22:09] They didn't want us around.

[22:10] Yeah.

[22:10] Yeah, they just...

[22:11] And you weren't invited.

[22:11] That's up around the same time.

Dan McCoy

[22:12] I know you're close with them, but they didn't invite you.

[22:14] Yeah.

[22:14] What is a key party, by the way?

[22:16] Oh, to shut us up, you're going to shove our mouth full of stovetop stuffing?

[22:21] That plan works.

[22:22] Something's getting stuffed at that key party.

Stuart Wellington

[22:25] And home before dark.

[22:27] Okay.

[22:28] So they wander off into the woods.

[22:29] They find, like, a ruined foundation of a building, and they climb down into the basement, and they have their little seance thing.

[22:38] Meanwhile, Leslie Odom Jr. is having a hell of a time with a photo shoot for this family, because he's a photographer, and he's doing a family photo, and this kid just won't behave.

[22:47] Which is really, I think, one of the themes of this movie, kids acting crazy.

[22:51] Yeah.

[22:52] Kids do their damnedest things.

Dan McCoy

[22:54] Subliminal style, but not really, because they're, like, not that quick.

[22:59] Shots of, like, devil faces over the kid for a couple parts of it.

[23:02] I'm like, what is this indicating?

[23:04] Like, the kid's annoying.

Elliott Kalan

[23:05] It's indicating that some devil stuff's going to happen later, Dan, but it doesn't really make sense, because the devil's not involved with that kid.

[23:11] Or maybe it's a different devil, because in the Exorcist world, there's specific demons with specific names.

[23:17] It's not just the overall Satan devil.

[23:19] So maybe that kid's dealing with some other devil, and it's another side movie.

[23:22] Maybe it's what the sequel's about.

[23:23] Yeah, it's the Traffy's Red Devil.

Stuart Wellington

[23:24] And maybe it's the movie saying, hey, they bought a ticket for Exorcist Believer.

[23:30] Maybe they forgot that it's a devil movie.

[23:33] Let's remind them.

Elliott Kalan

[23:34] They think it's a parenting movie up to this point.

[23:36] We've got to remind them there's devils in this movie.

[23:37] Check out this problem show.

[23:39] Back home.

[23:40] I mean, it would be a very—

[23:42] This movie could be called Problem Child.

[23:44] I mean, yeah, the Exorcist could also be—the original one could be called that.

Stuart Wellington

[23:48] This could be Problem Child 2, because there's two of them.

Elliott Kalan

[23:51] It's true.

[23:52] It would be funny if the Problem Child movies did, at the end, turn out that the devil was possessing the kid.

[23:57] But then the kid is so annoying that even the devil is like, I'm out of here.

[24:00] Puts on a hat, picks up a suitcase, walks out.

Stuart Wellington

[24:02] Yeah, yeah.

[24:03] Same thing with, like, the good son, that they're like, actually, it was the devil.

[24:07] And also, if you couldn't tell, he was actually the bad son.

Elliott Kalan

[24:10] For anyone—

[24:12] I saw the devil.

[24:13] If you weren't paying attention.

[24:14] For anyone who's not clear on the movie, now that you're walking out of the theater, he was the bad son of you.

[24:19] It was ironically titled.

[24:20] Because, you know, there's someone who's like, I don't know why they called it the good son.

[24:23] That son was bad.

[24:24] He was bad.

[24:26] Let me write a letter to my congressman about it.

[24:28] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[24:28] How many, like, nanas went to that movie being like, I love seeing good sons do good stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[24:33] And then that kid grew up and was like, I can't wait to see Ana de Armas in this movie.

[24:37] And then went to see it and was like, how dare they?

[24:39] How dare they tease me with that?

[24:41] I'm going to sue the studio.

Dan McCoy

[24:42] Dear Better Business Bureau, this son was mislabeled.

Elliott Kalan

[24:48] I would like to send in the unused portion.

[24:52] Sir, you've devoured most of this movie.

[24:55] Oh, uh-oh.

Stuart Wellington

[24:57] So, back home in an empty home because his daughter is off having a seance.

[25:04] He is going through, he's like going through the photos for the day and like the lights start to flicker.

[25:09] That's a regular thing as demonic crap happens in this movie.

[25:12] It causes electrical stuff.

[25:14] And it caused like a weird distortion effect on his computer monitor.

[25:18] And you're like, what happened there?

[25:19] It's like when Sheev Palpatine beams in in that Star Wars movie and his body looks all crazy.

[25:24] Okay.

[25:26] Something like that.

Elliott Kalan

[25:27] Yeah.

[25:28] It is a little bit like that for a moment, the movie turns into Dee Snider's Strangeland for a second.

[25:35] You know, or fear.com or something.

Dan McCoy

[25:37] Yeah, this computer's twisted.

[25:38] Demons are like solar flares.

[25:39] They're just going to fuck with fields, electrical fields and such.

Stuart Wellington

[25:44] So, of course, the little girls never come home.

[25:47] The parents quickly cut through the ruse.

[25:50] They call around and figure out that the daughters were lying to them.

[25:53] They realize that they went off into the woods.

[25:56] So, uh...

[25:57] They are not home before dark.

[25:59] Yep.

[26:00] Victor and then the parents of Catherine all go off into the woods looking for this, uh, their daughters.

[26:07] And now they're the parent, Catherine's parents.

[26:09] Catherine is like, her family's more religious.

[26:13] Yeah.

[26:13] According to the Wikipedia entry, they are Baptist.

[26:15] But yeah, they are more, they're more, they're churchgoing folk.

Elliott Kalan

[26:18] And it's Tony and something.

Stuart Wellington

[26:20] I don't remember his, the mother's name.

Elliott Kalan

[26:22] Tony and Tina from Tony and Tina's Wedding.

[26:24] Another New York theatrical tradition.

Dan McCoy

[26:26] Wait, is that the one where one of them is Italian and one of them is, are they both?

[26:31] They're both Italian.

[26:32] They're both Italian.

Elliott Kalan

[26:33] No, no, you're thinking of the play, my mother's Italian, my father's Jewish, and I'm in therapy.

[26:36] Yes, I am thinking about that play.

[26:38] Or maybe it's the other way around, my father's Italian, my father's Jewish.

Dan McCoy

[26:40] No, this one, the joke is just that they're Italian.

[26:43] Can you believe it?

Elliott Kalan

[26:44] Yeah, they're just, and also they interact with you.

[26:46] You know, it's like you're a guest at the wedding.

[26:47] This is Tony and Miranda West.

[26:50] Okay.

[26:50] I believe that's her name.

Stuart Wellington

[26:52] So, they search the woods.

[26:53] They find some evidence of their daughters, like a book pack, a book pack, bag pack, what

[26:58] am I saying?

[26:58] Back pack.

[26:59] Yeah, back pack.

[27:00] Do you have a stroke?

[27:01] You really don't have children.

[27:02] That's a word you haven't used in many years.

[27:04] A book pack.

[27:05] A book pack?

[27:05] What's a book pack?

[27:07] Guys, what's happening to me?

[27:10] What's going on?

[27:11] Oh, am I possessed, I guess?

[27:13] I don't know.

[27:13] I just thought it would be me.

Elliott Kalan

[27:15] They've got a pile of books with a belt tied around it.

[27:17] They're hitting a hoop with a stick.

Stuart Wellington

[27:19] They go down.

[27:20] Leslie Adam Jr. goes down into the flooded basement area.

[27:25] Don't see anything gross, Dan.

[27:27] And he finds a, and there's a snake scare, which is nice and refreshing.

[27:33] Cats aren't the only animals that scare people.

[27:35] It's a snake this time.

[27:36] Refreshing.

[27:37] Snake goes wiggling past, and he's like, ah.

[27:39] And then he finds a discarded shoe.

[27:41] What's up with these girls?

[27:43] The parents get in a big fight at the police station.

[27:46] At first, you know, they were working together to find their kids.

[27:49] But now they're like, they don't trust each other.

[27:52] Victor, at one point, is like, the one thing you need to know about me, I care about my daughter.

[27:56] I'm like, you're not on a fucking reality show, buddy.

[27:58] Like, it's fine.

[27:59] Like, we all assume you care about your daughter if you're here at this point.

Elliott Kalan

[28:02] Yeah, but it's like, similar to Leave the World Behind, there's a light shading of white couple doesn't trust black guy, black father.

[28:12] Yeah, yeah.

[28:12] And a little bit of like, we're religious, you're not religious.

[28:16] Yeah.

[28:17] And they're like, we didn't even know your daughter was friends with our daughter, which he knew who his daughter's friends are.

[28:23] They don't.

[28:23] It's, you know, it's a classic parent conflict stuff in movies.

Dan McCoy

[28:26] I think also early in the film setup, there is more of a sprinkling of kind of general unneighborliness from people that kind of, you know, like, indicates that they're sort of isolated a little bit in this suburban community.

[28:41] And it threatens to coalesce into a theme and never really does.

Elliott Kalan

[28:45] Well, it does in a way that, one of the things I like about the movie, I don't like a lot about the movie.

[28:51] One of the things I do like is the general message is not we have to get in an exorcist, a priest, or an authority figure to do this.

[28:58] It is that a community has to come together to try to save these girls.

[29:01] And so early on, their neighbor, who the dad is always arguing with.

[29:05] Played by Ann Dowd.

[29:06] Played by Ann Dowd.

[29:07] She's going to come in and help them.

[29:09] The parents are going to hopefully come together, but they don't trust each other at first.

[29:12] So if the movie was kind of better thought through, they could have had a really powerful message about the thing that stops the devil from taking your children is when there's a community around you that can support you and your family.

[29:24] But they don't quite get there.

[29:25] But I think that's what they're working towards.

Stuart Wellington

[29:27] Well, and speaking of that, this argument leads to them arguing about whether or not the girls' disappearance might be related to a nearby transient community.

[29:37] They are worried that the girls had been kidnapped by, you know, some people living nearby.

[29:44] And so there's like some elements of that.

[29:47] Leslie Odom Jr. goes to like a shelter and interviews some of these people.

[29:53] And, you know, there's a little bit of spookiness, but there's not much.

[29:57] Not much.

Elliott Kalan

[29:57] This is almost like it's less a red herring, which I think it's – than just like a little cul-de-sac that they go on.

[30:03] And they don't do much with it.

[30:05] It's not really tied to the rest of the thing.

[30:06] And the movie is called The Exorcist Believer.

[30:08] So you know that a homeless person did not kidnap these girls.

[30:11] You know what?

[30:11] The devil's involved.

[30:12] Or a devil.

[30:14] Not the devil.

[30:15] I'm sorry.

[30:15] Thank you.

Stuart Wellington

[30:16] It could be one of the New Jersey Devils hockey players.

[30:19] I'll do this time.

Dan McCoy

[30:20] It's some other thing.

[30:22] Yeah.

[30:23] I do think that, like, this is a legacy sequel thing of we are taking a direct page from the first one.

[30:31] And we're going to spend the first half of the movie, like, kind of trying to ground this in a very, like, realistic world.

[30:41] And, you know, as far as it goes, like, I won't say it doesn't work.

[30:47] Because, like, honestly, like, the first half of the movie is the part that works best for me.

[30:51] But on the other hand, you know, this many movies into an Exorcist series, you're not like, I wonder if there's – I wonder if this girl's really possessed or not, you know?

Elliott Kalan

[31:00] And also – and especially because pretty much not too long after this, every heritor just goes all in on demon possession.

[31:06] Exactly.

[31:06] And they're just like, yep, we got it.

[31:08] You know what?

[31:09] We thought they might have run away.

[31:11] We thought a homeless person might have kidnapped them.

[31:13] Those are the only two options.

[31:14] So I guess it has to be a devil.

[31:15] Let's just go with it.

[31:17] And it feels very abrupt.

[31:19] The same way that when we did – when we watched The Pope's Exorcist, which had the added advantage of being silly.

[31:24] That the family is like – they're like, by the way, your kids are possessed.

[31:27] And the mom is like, of course, yes, tell me what to do.

[31:30] Like there's never – there's no pushback at all.

[31:32] Finally, someone sees it.

Stuart Wellington

[31:34] Yeah, and of course, that movie also features Russell Crowe just stunting on everybody with that crazy –

[31:39] Ryan Rapp on a Vespa.

[31:40] Ryan Rapp on a Vespa.

Elliott Kalan

[31:41] That ridiculous accent.

[31:42] What a fun movie.

Stuart Wellington

[31:45] Okay, so Victor comes home.

Elliott Kalan

[31:48] We recently – we had to vote for the Writers Guild Awards.

[31:51] And I hadn't seen enough movies this year that I really liked.

[31:53] And The Pope's Exorcist was on there.

[31:55] I'm like, I'll nominate that.

[31:56] Whatever.

Stuart Wellington

[31:57] I'm like, I'll vote for that to get nominated.

[31:58] That was fun.

[32:00] Thumbs up.

[32:01] It's not going to win.

[32:02] So a few days into the disappearance, Victor comes home to find that his friend Stuart –

[32:08] Uh-oh.

[32:09] There's a little Stuart in this movie.

[32:12] That his friend Stuart has broken into his home and has brought a woman named Dr. –

[32:18] Now, I only saw it written in the captions.

[32:20] I didn't actually hear him say the name.

[32:22] Is it Beehive or Behebe?

[32:25] How do you pronounce that?

Elliott Kalan

[32:25] It's spelled Beehive, like Beehive with a V.

[32:28] I think it's Behebe, but I'm not sure.

[32:30] Okay.

[32:30] Because I couldn't quite make out what the sound was either.

[32:33] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[32:33] And she's performing some kind of – like some kind of a ritual to draw – to bring the

[32:38] girls home, bring Angela home.

[32:39] And Victor is still a disbeliever and gets them out of his house.

[32:45] However, something happened because meanwhile, 30 miles away at a nearby farm, there is a

[32:52] sick horse and they find the two girls in the barn.

[32:56] Uh-oh.

[32:57] The girls are back.

[32:58] The girls are back in town.

Elliott Kalan

[33:02] They're actually out of town.

[33:03] They're in a barn on the outskirts of town.

Stuart Wellington

[33:07] So they interview the girls.

[33:08] The girls think they've only been missing for a few hours.

[33:10] Who are your guys?

Dan McCoy

[33:11] They say to the girls.

Stuart Wellington

[33:13] Do we have beef?

[33:14] Who are your guys?

Dan McCoy

[33:16] Tell me about Lorne.

[33:17] Which devils are your guys?

[33:19] What did your dad do for a living?

[33:20] Yeah.

[33:21] Mm-hmm.

Elliott Kalan

[33:22] So –

[33:22] Are you with Pazuzu or are you with Lamashtu?

[33:24] Oh, you got to do Pazuzu.

[33:26] Well, they're with Lamashtu who in ancient Sumerian lore was an enemy of Pazuzu.

Stuart Wellington

[33:34] Oh, cool.

[33:35] Thanks.

[33:35] Yeah, thanks for –

[33:36] That's why he had to –

[33:36] You've been reading your fucking monsters manual?

Elliott Kalan

[33:38] Yeah, exactly.

[33:40] Your fiend folio over there?

[33:41] My Wikipedia manual that Lamashtu went after children and unborn children and Pazuzu was

[33:46] often invoked to protect birthing mothers against Lamashtu.

[33:50] And the Lamashtu in the ancient Sumerian religion is like a hybrid monster with like a lion's

[33:56] head and stuff.

[33:56] That's not what we see in this movie.

Stuart Wellington

[33:58] Yeah, that sounds a lot like Lamashtu, which is one of the mount options for a Chaos Dwarf

[34:03] sorcerer lord in Warhammer fantasy battle, baby.

[34:06] Sure, sure.

[34:06] Because they need to fly around on things because Chaos Dwarf magic slowly corrupts their bodies

[34:10] and turns their bodies to stone.

[34:12] So they need somebody to take their ass around because they're just turning into like a statue

[34:15] man.

Dan McCoy

[34:16] Must be the banadryl that's making me suddenly sleepy.

Stuart Wellington

[34:20] No, let me pull up some images on my phone, dude.

[34:23] They're really cool.

[34:24] They have a beard.

[34:26] Okay, so.

[34:28] So they found the girls.

[34:29] They find the girls.

[34:31] The girls think they've only been gone for a few hours, but in fact, they've been gone

[34:34] for three days.

[34:36] What?

[34:36] However, there's no other signs of anything like wrong with them.

Elliott Kalan

[34:40] Well, except for one thing, they have burns on their feet.

[34:43] Oh, wow.

[34:43] Were they, how'd that happen?

[34:45] Were they sunning the bottoms of their feet?

[34:47] Well, that's what, I think that's what they check at first.

[34:49] They go, oh, are there sun lamps in the barn?

[34:52] No, it's because when you're walking around hell, you might as well be walking on the sun.

[34:57] Oh, man.

[35:00] Man, you know, I remember when music was good, guys.

[35:04] Yeah.

[35:05] Hey, now.

[35:06] You're possessed now.

[35:07] You're a demon.

[35:08] Go play.

[35:09] Hey, now.

[35:10] Exorcist now.

[35:11] Be believer and say.

[35:13] I'm singing this episode.

Stuart Wellington

[35:14] Okay, so go on.

[35:17] Do you have more singing to do?

[35:18] You got to play another pair?

[35:20] I can't get enough of La Mache 2.

[35:22] Okay.

[35:22] Right or wrong.

[35:23] It's also a Smash Mouth song.

[35:24] Oh, wow.

[35:26] Did it.

[35:27] So, and there is a sequence.

[35:30] Exorcist believer.

Elliott Kalan

[35:32] I couldn't leave her if I tried.

[35:34] I know that's a cover of Smash Mouth did of a monkey song.

[35:36] But no.

Dan McCoy

[35:37] Still an impressive.

[35:39] You found multiple links there.

Elliott Kalan

[35:41] I thought demons were only in the exorcist.

[35:45] So forth.

[35:46] Oh.

[35:47] That's all the Smash Mouth songs I know.

[35:48] So, we're done.

Stuart Wellington

[35:49] Oh, okay.

[35:50] So, there is.

[35:52] He gets possessed, but he gets up again.

[35:55] Nobody's going to exorcist.

[35:57] I know that's Chumbawamba.

[35:58] This is actually really great that Elliot is, you know, making us go through this excruciating

[36:03] ritual because the movie makes us watch a sequence where the girls are then checked to see if

[36:08] they have been assaulted by someone.

[36:10] Yeah.

[36:10] Yes, and that's not fun.

[36:11] Which is unpleasant.

[36:12] Yeah.

[36:13] But I guess, I mean, I guess I get what the movie's trying to do with it.

[36:17] It's horrifying.

Elliott Kalan

[36:18] They're saying, who's the real monsters?

[36:20] The medical establishment, perhaps?

Stuart Wellington

[36:22] Yeah, yeah.

[36:25] Vaxxed?

[36:25] Yeah.

[36:26] Okay, so, Angela.

[36:30] Hashtag do the research, exorcist believer.

[36:31] Yeah, do your own research.

[36:33] Don't really, though.

[36:34] Angela goes back home with her dad, and she, before bed, she explains that they went off

[36:40] into the woods to do a seance.

[36:42] She was trying to contact the spirit of her mother, but she was not able to do it.

[36:46] Meanwhile, she's still acting a little bit weird.

[36:48] And we occasionally get, like, ghostly figures behind people.

[36:52] There's a real good moment.

Elliott Kalan

[36:53] I rewound it because I wanted to watch it again with a ghostly kind of child image behind

[36:57] her dad.

Stuart Wellington

[36:58] Not unlike a Reagan from the original The Exorcist.

Elliott Kalan

[37:04] Yes, yes.

[37:04] Yes.

[37:04] And is this around the time that she surprises her dad while he's brushing his teeth?

Stuart Wellington

[37:10] Yeah.

[37:10] There's a sequence where he, like, he puts her down to bed, and then he's going into the

[37:15] bathroom, and the lights keep flickering again.

[37:18] That is a sign of demons.

[37:19] And she just appears next to him.

Elliott Kalan

[37:22] And he's like, get to bed.

[37:23] She's like, what'd you say?

[37:24] It was a really good.

[37:26] She goes, what'd you say?

[37:28] And it was a really good reappearance.

[37:29] Partly it worked really well, I felt, for me.

[37:31] But also, I have lived that so many times.

[37:33] Not the light flickering, but me just brushing my teeth and then suddenly turning to see one

[37:37] of my children has gotten out of bed and is standing there and I didn't realize it going,

[37:40] what did you say?

[37:41] And I'm like, I wasn't talking to you.

[37:43] And then I have to lead them back to their bed.

[37:44] That happens all the time.

[37:45] So, Exorcist believer, I feel seen.

Stuart Wellington

[37:48] Thank you.

[37:48] Yeah, yeah.

[37:49] This is before your kids pick on you and stuff you into a toilet or whatever.

[37:52] Stuff me in a cabinet, yeah.

[37:53] Would you say nerd?

[37:54] Then they stuff me in the bathroom cabinet, yeah.

[37:56] Okay, so again, yeah.

[37:57] More flickering lights, ghosts.

[37:58] I honestly expected more jump scares in this sequence, but it's actually pretty restrained.

[38:07] In the morning, after making her her favorite breakfast of pancakes and ice cream,

[38:14] he finds her in bed sleeping on top of the covers like she's staying at a fucking cheap motel.

[38:19] But she has peed all over the bed.

[38:22] So, he takes her into the bathroom to try and get her cleaned up.

[38:26] And then he walks away and he comes back and she's missing.

[38:29] And the tub is filled with brackish dirty water and fingernails.

[38:33] And then he finds her.

[38:34] She attacks him with his dead wife's scarf.

[38:38] And she is like, she is ranting.

[38:41] And he ends up, he has to like hold her down.

[38:44] And they have to take her to the hospital and have her committed basically.

[38:47] Sedated.

Dan McCoy

[38:48] Yeah.

[38:48] And he does, I think, some really good, I don't want to touch these pea sheets acting in this sequence.

[38:56] Realistically, like looking at the bed like, okay, how am I going to approach this?

[39:00] Yeah.

[39:01] Elliot's like, you get used to it.

Elliott Kalan

[39:04] You do get used to it.

[39:04] I mean, that was the thing.

[39:05] For a single person, or a childless person.

[39:07] You're not single.

[39:08] You're married.

[39:08] I understand completely.

[39:09] But when you have children, yeah, you're so used to touching their waist in different ways.

[39:14] Like it's just, you can't.

Dan McCoy

[39:15] I presume it's been a few years though for.

[39:17] Nope.

[39:17] For this character.

[39:19] Oh, for this character maybe.

[39:20] You never know, man.

Dan McCoy

[39:20] You never know.

Elliott Kalan

[39:20] I feel like it would be like riding a bicycle made out of poop.

[39:23] They'd all come flooding back and you'd know how to do it.

[39:26] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[39:27] Meanwhile, Catherine.

[39:29] A bicycle made of poop.

Stuart Wellington

[39:32] Meanwhile, Catherine is in.

[39:34] You'll smell sweet upon the sea.

[39:35] No.

[39:36] So many songs.

Elliott Kalan

[39:38] Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer.

[39:40] Do-do.

[39:42] Eh?

Dan McCoy

[39:44] Down to one star on iTunes.

[39:46] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[39:47] Yeah.

[39:47] No, I get it.

[39:48] It's fair.

[39:49] It's fair, you know.

Dan McCoy

[39:49] We're up so high for so long.

Elliott Kalan

[39:51] Yeah.

[39:51] A bipartisan bill in Congress banning the Flophouse.

[39:54] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[39:55] Finally, something Democrats and Republicans can agree on, they say.

[39:58] It's not even a writer.

[40:00] It's the thing that they tack on writers to because they know it's going to pass.

[40:03] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[40:06] So, meanwhile, Catherine's parents have taken her to church.

[40:10] The pastor, priest, whatever, is giving a sermon about Catherine coming back to them.

[40:16] She is acting.

[40:17] He seems real smug.

[40:18] He's a real smug pastor.

[40:20] Yeah.

[40:20] And she is not acting normal at this point.

[40:24] She's kind of dazed.

[40:26] At one point, she's like fiddling under her skirt, which I'm like, I don't like this.

[40:31] And then she, during communion, she disappears only to come back into the church covered in communion wine, which looks like blood.

[40:42] And she just keeps shouting the body and the blood over and over until she is tackled.

[40:47] And, of course, the body and the blood sounds like a great death metal song.

[40:51] Yeah.

[40:51] I totally listen to that shit.

Dan McCoy

[40:52] That's what happens to me when I get into the communion wine, too.

[40:55] So, I get it.

Stuart Wellington

[40:57] Yeah.

[40:58] Dan, you spent some time in the church.

[40:59] Is this exactly your experience as well?

Dan McCoy

[41:02] You know, we didn't have actual wine.

[41:04] You know, it was grape juice.

[41:06] We are, you know, my denomination is, I think, the only Protestant one that would take communion every Sunday.

[41:14] Typically, that's not, like, that's a Catholic thing.

[41:16] And then other, you know, Protestant sects do it at Easter.

[41:22] But it was saying they were Baptists.

Stuart Wellington

[41:24] Is this a Baptist thing?

Dan McCoy

[41:26] I don't know how much Baptists take communion.

[41:30] Like I said, I think that it's not typically an every Sunday thing outside of Catholics.

Stuart Wellington

[41:36] And after she wanders in shouting the body and the blood over and over, she is tackled and she is also sedated and taken to the hospital.

Elliott Kalan

[41:46] Yeah.

[41:46] Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

[41:49] They want her sedated.

[41:51] So, this is where.

[41:52] This is just a musical episode of the Flophouse.

[41:54] It's so musical.

[41:55] People love it.

[41:56] They're like, remember that Buffy musical episode?

[41:58] That's the thing.

[41:58] That's great.

[41:58] But when I do it, suddenly people don't like it.

Dan McCoy

[42:01] If we market it that way so people know what to expect, you know.

[42:06] I want this to be a mean girl situation where some people get in there and they're like, oh, I didn't sign up for this.

Elliott Kalan

[42:11] Did you see the video that was going around on Twitter where the song starts and the audience just starts laughing?

[42:16] Oh, that felt so bad.

[42:17] Oh, that's too bad.

[42:18] For the filmmakers.

[42:19] They should have marketed it as a musical.

[42:20] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[42:21] Weirdly enough, I am going to be recommending, just as a spoiler for the rest of the episode, I am going to be recommending a musical today.

[42:29] Oh.

[42:30] I want to be clear.

[42:31] It's like you guys read my mind.

[42:32] I liked the Mean Girls musical too.

Dan McCoy

[42:34] Oh, okay.

[42:35] Good.

[42:36] Okay.

[42:37] That's not my recommendation.

[42:38] Two thumbs up?

Stuart Wellington

[42:38] Oh, it's not your recommendation?

Dan McCoy

[42:39] Yeah, but you can go see it if you like.

[42:40] Yeah, you can.

[42:41] You don't need my words.

Stuart Wellington

[42:42] Dan's allowing you to go see it.

[42:43] Yay.

[42:44] Movie goalie Dan is going to be like, I'll let this one pass.

Dan McCoy

[42:46] You don't have to take my world for it.

[42:49] You don't have to take your world for it either.

[42:51] You don't have to take my world for me.

[42:53] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[42:53] You can't, you son of a bitch.

[42:55] Who are you, Dio Brando?

[42:57] Okay.

[42:58] So, the parents have a chit-chat at this point.

[43:01] And Victor is talking to Catherine's parents.

[43:05] And Catherine's parents reveal that she was supposed to be baptized, but they did not baptize her.

[43:10] And it's like, uh-oh.

Elliott Kalan

[43:11] They like put it off until her grandmother could show up, but that was just a couple days too long.

Stuart Wellington

[43:15] Yeah.

[43:16] Thanks, Grandma.

[43:18] So, they're very much in the camp like, our daughter's possessed.

[43:23] We need to do something about this.

[43:24] Victor, he doesn't quite believe that.

[43:26] He's still dubious.

Dan McCoy

[43:27] And I guess, you know, this tells you, you know, baptism.

[43:30] It's like chipping your pets.

[43:32] It's a thing you do for safety ahead of time.

[43:35] You know, it's like you're scotch-guarding them against devil.

Elliott Kalan

[43:39] So, this is where I have two issues with this, like you were talking about earlier, Dan.

[43:43] One is, so the baptism, so the devil would have been like, eh, eh, eh, eh.

[43:48] Aw, rats.

[43:49] You have a force field around you from baptism.

[43:51] You know, like you've got a seal I can't open.

[43:52] It's like a child lock on a medicine bottle.

[43:55] But also, like, my kids are not baptized.

[43:58] Is this movie telling me that they are at greater risk of demons?

Dan McCoy

[44:01] Look, I agree with you that I normally don't bump up against supernatural stuff.

[44:06] I am just on board.

[44:08] I will accept whatever shit you're trying to sell me in the context of fiction most of the time.

[44:14] I do have more trouble with this.

[44:15] And, look, I grew up religious.

[44:16] I'm not saying I'm not religious at all.

[44:19] Like, I, but I'm saying that at this point in my life, my conception of religion is a lot more amorphous and, I don't know, just sort of personal than any.

[44:32] I don't believe that there's a set of magic spells you can do to keep the devil.

Elliott Kalan

[44:37] You don't believe that religion operates like the same way that Warhammer operates, where there are rules you have to follow according to how you roll and things like that.

[44:45] I want to hear Elliot explain the rules you're warning me right now.

[44:48] So, anyway, first you roll to see who goes first.

[44:50] Yeah!

[44:52] Okay, then you take your, then you gotta, then you gotta pick your guys.

[44:55] You line up all your hit figurines.

[44:57] Uh-huh, yep.

[44:57] You take turns picking them.

[44:59] And then what you do is, then you gotta come up with your scenario.

[45:03] And the way you do that is you pick one of three scenario cards.

[45:05] That's a beginning card.

[45:07] Then what you have to do is you look at the color of that card.

[45:09] And you have to collect those color chips.

[45:11] They're around the board in different places.

[45:14] And now, there's also the special die.

[45:16] There's one special die that's hidden in the room.

[45:18] If you find it, you get an extra life.

[45:20] That extra life can be traded in for 100 gold chip credits.

[45:23] Now, the gold chip credits are-

Dan McCoy

[45:25] Even joke listening to-

Elliott Kalan

[45:27] They're also stickers.

[45:30] And you can stick them on your figures.

[45:31] And that gives them qualified immunity.

[45:33] Which means they can't be prosecuted for things they do in the line of duty as Warhammer figures.

Dan McCoy

[45:38] I say all this about not believing in magical spells.

[45:40] But I also, like, I don't-

[45:43] You know, I appreciate what the movie's trying to do at the end by not making it like a specific religion.

[45:48] By not making it like, oh, Catholics specifically have figured out how to protect us against demons.

[45:56] You know, it is a conglomeration of different believers.

[46:00] They do.

Elliott Kalan

[46:00] A couple times, they're like, different people are like, I've studied all the ways of doing this in all the different religions.

[46:06] But it mainly comes down to Catholic stuff.

Dan McCoy

[46:08] Yeah.

[46:08] But then, like, but then the weird thing is, that makes me believe it even less at the end.

[46:14] I'm like, well, if it's all amorphous, then what the fuck are we doing here?

[46:17] Like, what, how are we casting this demon out?

[46:20] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[46:20] But-

[46:21] No matter how ecumenical they try to make it, at the end, it's still usually Jesus' name that is making the demon scream and turn into fart dust and fly out of the pearl's bodies.

[46:29] Jesus, I hate that guy.

Dan McCoy

[46:31] They say.

[46:32] So-

[46:32] As they run for the door.

Stuart Wellington

[46:34] Meanwhile-

[46:34] Him again.

[46:35] He's going to tell me more of his stories.

[46:37] Ugh.

[46:38] Meanwhile, nurse Ann Dowd is looking after Angela.

[46:41] Playing a character named Ann.

[46:43] Playing a character named Ann, which I love.

[46:44] And also, like, it's nice when Ann Dowd shows up.

[46:47] Like, I feel, I'm like, I'm in good hands here.

[46:49] She's got this.

[46:50] Yes.

[46:50] So she gets, she's looking after Angela, who wakes up demon style and begins terrorizing her, making allusions to a previous pregnancy and abortion.

[47:01] And then there's a scene where blood is spreading out all over her sheets.

[47:07] And then Ann Dowd goes and talks to Victor and is like, yo, this girl's possessed.

[47:12] She knew stuff that nobody else knew.

Elliott Kalan

[47:13] She knew I was going to be a nun at one point.

[47:15] She knew my name is a nun, which I never told anybody else.

[47:18] This girl is hella possessed.

[47:19] And I mean that, pun very much intended.

[47:21] Pun very much intended.

Stuart Wellington

[47:22] So Victor decides to start doing his own research, just like Dan.

[47:26] Uh-oh.

[47:27] Hey.

[47:28] And he immediately finds a bunch of news stories about Chris McNeil, the mother from The Exorcist.

[47:36] Alan Burstyn.

[47:37] Learns a little bit about her history.

[47:40] She bursts into the movie.

[47:41] He tracks her down and goes to her home.

[47:43] She is bursting all over with talent.

[47:44] So he, yeah, he shows up to Chris McNeil's home, Ellen Burstyn's home.

[47:50] Probably not her actual home.

[47:51] I'm guessing it's the character.

Elliott Kalan

[47:52] No, no, I think that she wanted to do the role so little that she said, if I'm going to be in this movie, you're going to have to come to my house to shoot it.

[47:57] I don't even want to leave my house.

[47:58] This was, so the story behind Ellen Burstyn being in this movie is apparently she said, I don't want to be in this.

[48:03] And so they doubled her, the money they offered.

[48:05] And she, it was all, she's like, okay, I can donate this to a college, I think, for it to endow a fellowship.

[48:09] But she, she said something that I read in the trivia section that was about like, that she was like, it felt like the devil was testing my price when they were negotiating with me to do this movie.

Stuart Wellington

[48:18] Did he also read the trivia about William Friedkin?

[48:21] Yes.

[48:21] Oh yeah.

[48:22] He was not a fan of this.

Elliott Kalan

[48:25] Apparently William Friedkin was like, yeah, the guy who made Pineapple Express is going to ruin my best movie.

Stuart Wellington

[48:30] Notoriously chill dude, William Friedkin.

[48:35] So Victor talks to Chris McNeil, who explains some stuff about like, she's, you know, she's not a priest or an exorcist, but she studied all this stuff and that she thinks she can be helpful.

[48:47] So they, they joined forces.

Elliott Kalan

[48:49] She also mentions that her daughter, Regan and her have lost, lost touch with each other.

[48:52] It's been a year since they last talked.

Stuart Wellington

[48:54] I think, I think for this trilogy to work, we're going to need a big reveal at the end.

[48:58] Let's find out.

[48:59] So.

[49:00] Let's watch what happens live.

[49:01] Yeah.

[49:01] They join forces and head back to Victor's hometown where they go to visit Angela, who is in like full on demon mode at this point, crawling all over the walls, being extra scary.

[49:13] There's no, yeah, they're like, oh, we can't do anything with that.

[49:16] So they, they have to go.

Elliott Kalan

[49:17] It's like, it's like, it's like, we're not sure if it's, if it's a medical problem or not.

[49:20] And meanwhile, she has like devil face.

[49:23] Like she looks like a demon has taken over her body.

[49:25] She doesn't look like herself, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[49:26] So they, and they have to, they go to try and find Catherine, but Catherine's family has taken her home out of the hospital.

[49:32] So they go to the home and we're like, oh, this is going to be a problem.

[49:35] Cause like the family's like cowering in the kitchen.

[49:38] They're terrified of this demon girl running around the house.

Elliott Kalan

[49:41] How, how, what, how, what is it about getting people together in a house?

[49:44] You've got us, you've got a girl who's possessed by the devil in another room.

[49:47] You've got the, the refreshments are all in the living room.

[49:50] Everyone still always ends up in the kitchen.

[49:52] They always end up gathering and cowering in the kitchen.

[49:54] You're like, guys, there's a whole house that we can be afraid of the demon girl in.

[49:58] No, they just want to hang out in the kitchen.

[49:59] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[50:00] Just want to hang out in the kitchen.

[50:00] That's, I mean, that's, that's, that's, I think.

[50:02] I think that's a little bit of human nature.

[50:03] What do you think, Dan?

[50:05] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[50:05] Well, I mean, you're, I.

[50:06] That's where all the chips are.

[50:07] It is true.

[50:08] It is.

[50:10] The last time Audrey and I had a party, we're like, we'll put a bunch of food in this central

[50:15] room away from the kitchen to lure everyone away.

[50:18] No one.

[50:18] No.

[50:19] They go to the kitchen.

[50:20] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[50:21] They're like, hey, I brought this bowl of chips back into the kitchen.

[50:24] Mind if I eat them here?

[50:25] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[50:26] But the only way to keep them away from your kitchen, the room, is to have a legendary comic book

[50:30] publisher, Dennis Kitchen, in your apartment at your party and people just follow him around.

Stuart Wellington

[50:35] Okay.

[50:35] So again, they find the, they find the family cowering in the kitchen.

[50:41] Chris follows the demon girl upstairs.

[50:43] This is where we get this loving scene, a touching tribute to great actor, Ellen Burstyn.

[50:49] Yeah.

[50:50] They're really making the best of Ellen Burstyn, really treating her with respect.

[50:53] Where she has a conversation with the demon before it climbs up on her and stabs her eyes

[51:00] at with a cross.

Dan McCoy

[51:01] Yeah.

[51:02] Not outside of Scatman Crothers in The Shining.

[51:07] Rarely has there been a character set up to like come in to help out and dispatched immediately

Stuart Wellington

[51:12] from.

[51:13] Yeah.

[51:13] There's like two of those moments.

[51:15] There's another one coming up, but this one was particularly rough because you're like,

[51:18] she just got here.

Elliott Kalan

[51:20] Yeah.

[51:20] She just got here.

[51:21] This is the big star from the first movie.

[51:24] Did you also feel as I did that it was a huge disrespect?

[51:27] Like it was like, it's like if Scatman Crothers had been the star of The Shining 1 and they

[51:34] bring him back for Shining 4 and then just chop him in the stomach with an axe.

[51:37] And just push him off a cliff.

[51:40] Like they do, they're doing like Godfather 6.

[51:43] It's a reboot of the Godfather franchise.

[51:45] They bring in Al Pacino and then whoever's playing the new Godfather just pees on him in

[51:49] a scene.

[51:49] And you're like, wait, what?

Stuart Wellington

[51:52] Godfather Calvin.

[51:56] Yeah, no, that's, yeah, that's wild.

[51:59] The, I want like, it'd be one thing if like we read up on Ellen Burson.

[52:02] She's like, no, I'm just really into makeup effects.

[52:05] And I thought it'd be awesome if my eyeballs got knocked out.

Dan McCoy

[52:07] If she was like, if she was like Harrison Ford with Star Wars and she's like, I'm just

[52:13] tired of being in these movies, you know.

[52:15] I'll only do it if you blind the character.

Elliott Kalan

[52:18] I think my guess is that I wouldn't be surprised if an earlier version of the script had more

[52:23] of her in it.

[52:24] And then, this is just me theorizing.

[52:26] And then she said, you have me for three days.

[52:28] And they said, oh, okay, I guess we got to move up her, her mutilation scene earlier in

[52:32] the film.

[52:33] That's my guess.

Stuart Wellington

[52:34] Okay.

[52:35] So they, you know, they, they, again, at this point, Catherine gets taken away.

[52:41] They're worried that like, I guess her parents are concerned that she's what, going to get

[52:45] in trouble or something.

[52:47] I would imagine.

Elliott Kalan

[52:48] Well, this might be on her permanent record that she had a devil inside her and she stabbed

[52:51] a lady in the eyes.

[52:52] Yeah.

[52:53] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[52:53] But you know, this could hurt her chances to get into Cornell.

Dan McCoy

[52:56] She'll just argue, devil inside, devil inside.

[53:00] Uh-huh.

[53:00] Every single one of us, devil inside.

[53:02] She's like, every single one of us, your honor.

Elliott Kalan

[53:04] Yeah.

[53:05] What a band.

[53:06] What a band.

[53:07] Right there.

[53:07] And she goes, hold on, wait, let me go into my closet.

[53:09] Where's my blue dress?

[53:11] Devil in a blue dress, blue dress, blue dress.

Dan McCoy

[53:14] Yeah.

[53:14] That's the devil inside medley now.

[53:16] Yeah.

[53:18] Okay.

[53:18] What else can the devil be in?

[53:20] Meanwhile.

[53:21] Georgia, I guess, once he went down there.

Elliott Kalan

[53:23] Yeah, he did go down there.

[53:24] He was in Georgia.

[53:25] That's true.

[53:25] Yeah.

[53:26] Mm-hmm.

[53:26] Meanwhile, Father Maddox.

[53:28] A devil can be in disguise because she looks like an angel, but she's the devil in disguise.

[53:33] Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

[53:34] Nope.

[53:34] She was back to his texting.

[53:36] Checking my phone.

Stuart Wellington

[53:36] Oh, cool.

[53:38] Game on.

[53:39] Okay.

[53:40] So Father Maddox applies to the Catholic Church for an exorcism and fails to get permission.

Elliott Kalan

[53:48] They say denied.

[53:50] No way.

[53:50] They stamp it denied.

[53:52] They're basically like the church's insurance can't handle the liability of an exorcism.

Stuart Wellington

[53:56] Well, yeah, that's the problem with the Catholic Church right now.

[54:00] Okay.

[54:00] And then Victor goes to Chris to apologize for getting her eyes knocked out.

[54:06] And she is, I gotta say, she takes this pretty well.

[54:11] Like, she's like in pretty good spirits.

[54:13] She's like, I knew the risk going in.

Elliott Kalan

[54:14] It's okay.

Stuart Wellington

[54:15] You know.

[54:16] Yeah.

[54:16] She's like, you know, that's what happens.

[54:18] You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Dan McCoy

[54:20] Anyway, once I get my robot eyes and they're like, uh, did they tell you you're getting

[54:23] robot eyes?

Elliott Kalan

[54:25] Yeah.

[54:25] She's like, those eyes were crying.

[54:27] They'd seen a lot of love, but they'd never seen another like you.

[54:30] Like me?

[54:30] Are we in love right now?

[54:31] Yes, we are in love.

[54:32] Did you not know that that's the only reason I came to your house to help you with your

[54:36] daughter is that I'm in love with you?

[54:37] Oh, this is awkward.

[54:38] I'm kind of still not over my wife yet.

[54:40] It's been years, Leslie Odom Jr.

[54:42] He's like, actually, my character's name is Victor.

Stuart Wellington

[54:45] So she, and she, she gives us like monologue about how people all over the world are doing

[54:51] exorcisms.

[54:51] You just got to get everybody together.

[54:54] And so she convinced them like, you just got to do your own exorcism family style.

[54:59] Yeah.

[54:59] She gets a book that says it takes a village to exercise a child.

[55:03] Yeah.

[55:04] Yeah.

[55:04] So.

[55:05] Family style.

[55:06] The whole, the whole gang shows up, a whole gang shows up at Victor's house.

[55:10] You got Victor, you got Stuart, you got Dr. Beehive, you got, I think the priest from the

[55:15] church.

[55:15] The priest shows up eventually.

[55:17] He comes in dramatically later.

Elliott Kalan

[55:18] First he shows up and he's like, hey, you should do this.

[55:21] And Anne is like, I was a nun for a minute.

[55:23] I can do this.

[55:24] And then later he comes back.

Stuart Wellington

[55:25] Yeah.

[55:25] And then, and Catherine's parents show up and they bring an older guy with them.

[55:29] Is that their?

[55:31] That's their pastor.

[55:32] Yeah.

[55:32] That's their pastor from their church.

[55:34] Yeah.

[55:34] And they, they, they make a little summoning circle and they tie the girls into chairs

[55:40] in the middle of it.

[55:41] And they hook them both up to like heart rate monitors.

[55:44] And we see that both their heart, hearts are beating at the exact same time.

[55:48] It's like they're, they're one body.

[55:50] Yeah.

[55:51] The priest shows up, he delivers the bad news.

[55:53] And then he goes and sits out in his car and prays.

[55:55] And I don't know, like eat some McDonald's or something.

Elliott Kalan

[55:57] He's just on a stakeout.

[55:59] He's on a priest stakeout of the exorcist.

Stuart Wellington

[56:02] Okay.

[56:02] Exorcism begins.

[56:04] We start with.

[56:05] Round one.

[56:06] Yeah.

[56:07] Round one.

[56:07] Nurse Ann starts reading some Bible stuff and it, you know, it doesn't really work.

[56:12] The demons like doing scary stuff.

[56:15] And then they, they bring up her abortion again.

[56:18] And yeah, she's, she gets a little bit shook.

[56:20] We learned some of the rules here is that they can't touch the kids while this whole thing's

[56:24] going on.

[56:25] Makes sense because they're demons.

[56:27] They take a little bit of a break.

[56:29] And then Dr.

[56:30] Bahibe comes back and like drips like holy water on them.

[56:34] And that seems to work because they start barfing out like vapor clouds out of their mouths.

[56:39] Dick's vapo demon.

[56:40] Yeah.

[56:40] And then somehow like smoke from the, like magic smoke from the fireplace and the vapor,

[56:48] like getting a fight or something.

[56:50] It's, it's kind of weird.

[56:51] To be honest, I couldn't quite follow what was going on.

[56:54] Yeah.

[56:54] I didn't quite know what was going on.

Elliott Kalan

[56:55] But the characters really seem to understand.

Stuart Wellington

[56:57] The characters really seem to understand what's happening.

[56:59] Yeah.

[56:59] Some, something's happening.

[57:00] The demon offers, the demon offers the parents a choice.

[57:04] If they pick one of the girls, that one will survive.

[57:08] The other one will die.

Elliott Kalan

[57:09] Have you, have you talked about the revelation that the demon makes about Victor's choice years

[57:14] earlier?

Stuart Wellington

[57:14] Oh, we, we haven't mentioned that, but we can explain.

Elliott Kalan

[57:18] The demon, he reveals that Victor, when years ago in Haiti, when the man said, we can save

[57:24] your wife or your daughter.

[57:25] And we assume he chose his daughter because that's who's alive right now.

[57:28] The demon reveals that Victor did not choose his daughter.

[57:31] He said, keep my wife alive, but it didn't work.

[57:34] And the, or the doctors didn't listen to him.

[57:36] And instead Angela survived and the wife did not.

[57:39] And so this is seen, I think the demon is trying to break their bond and shame him.

[57:43] That that was a pre-birth betrayal, I guess, of his daughter, Angela.

Dan McCoy

[57:47] But the weird thing is, I don't think Stuart will be mad that I jump ahead a little bit

[57:53] to make this point.

[57:54] The weird thing is like.

[57:56] Are you jumping to the credits after the movie?

[57:57] Well, no, the, so let me quickly say the, you know, the other family, like the Norbert

[58:04] Leo Butts loses faith or whatever.

[58:06] And he's like, I want to save my kid.

[58:08] You know, like the community is broken.

Elliott Kalan

[58:11] Much to the consternation of his wife played by Jennifer Nettles, Grammy award-winning

[58:14] singer.

Dan McCoy

[58:15] Which leads to the demon taking that kid.

[58:19] Like, ha ha ha ha.

[58:20] I'm taking the one that you say you want to save and leaving the other one behind.

[58:23] And like a weird, like reversal of like the wisdom of Solomon or something where it's like.

[58:29] But I.

[58:31] Here's my problem with a lot of the stuff in the movie.

[58:34] The.

[58:35] Like, I guess the idea is that the, his journey is that he's getting his faith back.

[58:41] And that's the important thing.

[58:42] He doesn't break and like choose one kid over the other.

[58:46] But in the context of the movie, it also plays like, well, he didn't want the kid the first

[58:52] time around.

[58:52] He wanted his wife.

[58:53] And now the way to save his kid is by rejecting her a second time and not saying like, no,

[58:58] I want you.

[59:00] Like.

[59:00] I guess that's true.

[59:01] I think.

[59:01] Like keeping quiet.

Stuart Wellington

[59:02] It's kind of a weird.

[59:03] I think they didn't think that's true.

[59:04] Corner they're painting themselves into.

[59:05] No, I mean, I think, I think that's one of the, I, I would argue, I think that's one of

[59:09] the issues with the, with David Gordon Green's Halloween movies is that there's a lot of things

[59:14] in there that don't feel like they don't, they don't feel all the way thought through.

[59:20] They like, they might make sense in the immediate moment, but like on the whole doesn't make sense.

Dan McCoy

[59:25] I also think this movie was reshot a lot from what I understand.

[59:29] It was very like taken away from him.

[59:31] So I, I don't lay this necessarily fully at his feet.

[59:34] Yeah.

[59:34] And that's, you're probably right.

Elliott Kalan

[59:35] It's, it's very possible.

[59:36] I'm the, uh, it's, it is internally inconsistent that the lesson is supposed to be, we have

[59:42] to stay unified.

[59:43] The only way to stay safe is to stay unified.

[59:44] We have to be, and, uh, and the dad breaks it.

[59:47] The other dad breaks it, but that, yeah, he has to save his daughter by once again, refusing

[59:52] to save her.

[59:53] Although Dan, maybe that ties into, he's too much of a helicopter parent earlier.

[59:57] Now it's like, you know what?

[59:58] I can't save you.

[59:59] You got to deal with these devils for yourself sometimes.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:01] I think the message is less, uh, you need, you need to like, you know,

[1:00:05] like reject saving your child and more.

[1:00:08] Don't listen to demons.

[1:00:09] Well, yeah.

[1:00:10] I mean, obviously the demons are lying to you, but the funny thing about that too is like,

Dan McCoy

[1:00:14] you know, once someone does make the choice, the demons are like, well, I'm bound to take

[1:00:20] the other one because I've been trolling you.

[1:00:22] Like I've been, I'm bound to take the one that you're saying that you want to save because I've been trolling you and I'm a trickster.

[1:00:27] But then that means that I am going to let the other girl go.

[1:00:30] I guess I have to only take one rather than just being like.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:34] I mean, that demon knew that two kids was too much.

[1:00:37] They weren't going to be able to eat that much.

[1:00:38] You know?

[1:00:39] Yeah.

[1:00:39] As Dan said.

[1:00:40] Their eyes are bigger than their stomachs.

[1:00:40] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:41] We did jump ahead slightly.

[1:00:42] So, uh, mid-exorcism.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:44] We did jump past one of the, one of the more fun scenes in the movie.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:47] Mid-exorcism, they're like, this doesn't seem to be working.

[1:00:49] All of a sudden the door bursts open.

[1:00:51] Father Maddox is like, fuck what the church says.

[1:00:53] I'm going to do an exorcism.

[1:00:55] He walks in.

[1:00:55] He's going to kick ass for Christ.

[1:00:57] Just like in, what is it?

[1:00:58] Those kids.

[1:00:59] Yeah.

[1:00:59] They're not loving that.

[1:01:00] It's the opposite of McDonald's for them.

[1:01:03] They're not loving it.

[1:01:04] They're, he puts his hands on their forehead.

[1:01:06] He's reading those words.

[1:01:07] They're flipping out all of a sudden they start twisting their necks.

[1:01:10] His neck starts twisting.

[1:01:12] What, what, what?

[1:01:13] His neck twists all the way around and he dies.

[1:01:15] Whoops.

[1:01:16] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:16] They snap his neck from the inside.

[1:01:18] And it's one of those things where it feels like, oh, right.

[1:01:21] Yeah.

[1:01:21] Cause the exorcist is all about like head turnings.

[1:01:23] Like it's all about turning your head all the way around.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:25] Yeah.

[1:01:25] Well, there's another part.

[1:01:26] I mean, it's so cool.

[1:01:27] At which.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:28] It's a, it's a, that effect is very fun.

[1:01:30] It's a, it's a cool moment.

[1:01:31] I wish it was one of the few moments in the movie where it was like, oh, this movie is coming

[1:01:34] alive for a moment.

[1:01:35] It's doing something kind of like wild, but.

[1:01:37] It is.

[1:01:38] It does feel like, hey, remember this from the first exorcist when her head turns around?

[1:01:42] They do that too.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:43] There's another moment.

[1:01:44] I forget the exact line, but where one of the demons like says a line from the first movie

[1:01:49] to a room full of people that were not there for the initial events.

[1:01:53] So I'm like, what is this sassy callback?

[1:01:55] Like, who is this for?

[1:01:56] Like people who've seen the exorcist only.

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:00] So, uh, yeah.

[1:02:01] After the, after the priest dies.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:03] It's like that moment in that second Star Trek, JJ Abrams movie where he goes, my name

[1:02:06] is Khan.

[1:02:07] And I wanted the characters to be like, okay, who's Khan?

[1:02:11] Like, what does that mean?

[1:02:12] Have we met?

[1:02:13] It's like, so you're Khan.

[1:02:14] So what does Khan do?

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:15] I don't understand.

[1:02:16] How are you Khan?

[1:02:17] What?

[1:02:18] Uh, yeah.

[1:02:18] Is it C-O-N?

[1:02:20] Like you're a Khan man?

[1:02:21] I mean, you seem British.

[1:02:22] So that's a little confusing.

[1:02:24] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:24] Like, are you related to Shere Khan, the tiger from the Jungle Book?

[1:02:27] Because that'd be weird.

[1:02:28] You're a person, I think.

[1:02:29] Not a tiger.

[1:02:29] It's the future.

[1:02:30] Maybe you're a tiger man.

[1:02:31] Like one of the Kazin, you know, there's a cat people, but still.

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:34] Yeah.

[1:02:34] Yep.

[1:02:35] Or the Hakan Emirates Trading Alliance in Twilight and Beard.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:39] Yeah.

[1:02:40] Dan, do you know any other fictional cat people?

[1:02:42] Not from the movie.

[1:02:43] Cat people.

[1:02:43] Don't say that.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:44] That's too easy.

[1:02:44] The Sleepwalkers from the film Sleepwalkers.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:46] Sleepwalkers, technically correct.

[1:02:48] Technically cat people.

[1:02:49] You got it.

[1:02:49] You did it.

[1:02:50] Okay, technically.

[1:02:50] So, uh.

[1:02:51] I'll allow it.

[1:02:52] Put Dan on the board in the cat people game.

[1:02:54] Okay.

[1:02:55] I got it finally on the board.

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:56] Yeah, you're on the board.

[1:02:57] So this is where Vic tries to make, Victor tries to make a play to get in on the action.

[1:03:02] He takes the scarf, his wife's scarf, and wraps it around Angela's neck.

[1:03:08] Doesn't seem to really work.

[1:03:10] At this point, Tony, this is where Tony chooses his own daughter to save.

[1:03:16] He just says, I choose you.

[1:03:17] Uh, at which point Angela starts, uh.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:20] I choose.

[1:03:21] Catches her in a little Pokeball.

[1:03:22] Yep.

[1:03:22] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:23] Uh, Angela starts to float up in the air.

[1:03:26] Uh, and then she barfs like a blood vortex on the ceiling.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:30] This is, and it's like all CGI blood vomit.

[1:03:33] It was so silly.

[1:03:34] This part should be, should be scary, but it's super silly.

[1:03:36] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:36] And she gives her dad this like crazy head butt that throws him across the room.

[1:03:40] It's like, it's, it was, that was pretty cool.

[1:03:43] It was very Dragon Ball scene.

[1:03:44] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:44] And before this, when he gives her that scarf, he has also, Victor has also been reciting

[1:03:48] the Lord's Prayer.

[1:03:49] He has got his faith back.

[1:03:50] Which, understandably, if you're like, I don't believe in God, and then the devil possesses

[1:03:54] your daughter, and the only thing that seems to stop her is saying Christ's name, then I,

[1:03:58] that's a way to get your faith back.

[1:03:59] And then when it's not faith anymore, it's been proved.

[1:04:00] Honestly, the easiest way to get your faith back.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:03] Like, I would jump on that so hard.

[1:04:05] I'd be like, okay.

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:06] I mean, it's not even faith at that point.

[1:04:07] No, it's not.

[1:04:08] Because you're like, yeah, that's a proven thing that's happening.

[1:04:10] Yeah, I've seen evidence.

[1:04:11] I have seen evidence.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:12] Yeah.

[1:04:12] This is no longer on faith.

[1:04:13] And God's like, oh shit, I screwed it up.

[1:04:15] It was supposed to be faith.

[1:04:17] Oh, whoopsies.

[1:04:18] I think this means you're not saved.

[1:04:20] Sorry.

[1:04:21] But what if you just erase the memory of what happened from my mind?

[1:04:24] So I can regain my faith.

[1:04:26] Hey, can't do it.

[1:04:27] That would be futzing with the rules.

[1:04:28] I'm on the board.

[1:04:29] I can't get, they'd take me off the board if I did that, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:32] So Angela collapses on the ground.

[1:04:34] She flatlines and we're like, Tony, what did you do?

[1:04:38] But then, and his daughter, Catherine seems to recover.

[1:04:41] But then we get some like flashbacks to the moment when her mother was getting her belly

[1:04:48] blessed.

[1:04:48] And then there's like a switcheroonie and Catherine flatlines and Angela wakes up.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:54] Is that the implication that she, she wasn't, she had extra help?

[1:04:58] Not because she wasn't baptized.

[1:04:58] I don't know.

[1:04:59] I don't know.

[1:04:59] That was like the first baptism in utero?

[1:05:02] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:05:02] She had double reverse anti-possession powers.

[1:05:05] I don't know.

[1:05:06] Yeah, yeah.

[1:05:06] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:06] She has the Uno reverse card on her soul.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:10] She'd been holding it in reserve until.

[1:05:12] Joke's on you, Lamashtu.

[1:05:13] You have to draw four wild.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:15] No.

[1:05:16] Oh, that's the worst.

[1:05:19] That's the thing.

[1:05:20] Because at that point you're like, Lamashtu is riding high on the horse and all of a sudden

[1:05:24] he's got a handful of cards and he is SOL.

[1:05:26] Lamashtu just got one card.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:27] And Lamashtu's like, well, I've got every card except green.

[1:05:30] At least he won't say green.

[1:05:31] And he goes, green.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:32] Oh, I've got to keep drawing the cards.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:34] No, no, no.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:36] Okay.

[1:05:37] Defeat from the jaws of victory.

[1:05:38] So Angela recovers and Dr. Bahibe reaches over and snuffs out one of two candles.

[1:05:47] What?

[1:05:48] How meaningful.

[1:05:50] Everyone tries to move on with their lives.

[1:05:53] And then in a, what, a convalescence room, Chris is sitting there and she is visited by

[1:06:03] her daughter, Reagan, from the first movie.

[1:06:05] What?

[1:06:06] Linda Blair's here?

[1:06:08] End of movie.

[1:06:09] Thumbs up from no one.

Dan McCoy

[1:06:10] I love doing Savage Streets, he says.

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:13] We did this, right?

[1:06:14] We made it through Exodus Believer.

[1:06:16] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:17] So there's two kinds of believing in this.

[1:06:19] So Victor, he regains his faith.

[1:06:21] He becomes a believer.

[1:06:23] And also.

[1:06:25] Because he's like, that is my only option at this point.

[1:06:28] Yes.

[1:06:28] But also like, Chris McNeil has become like the ultimate believer.

[1:06:32] Like she believes in all religions because they're all about demon fighting.

[1:06:36] But also, I guess like, Reagan at the end is now a believer in like the need to have a relationship

[1:06:43] with her mother.

[1:06:44] There's a lot of belief going on.

[1:06:45] The title makes sense is what I'm saying.

[1:06:46] It's a great title.

Dan McCoy

[1:06:47] Yeah.

[1:06:47] This last scene, by the way, like it comes at the end of a bunch of crap and the movie

[1:06:53] doesn't earn it.

[1:06:53] But it's weird how effective like it can be just on its own level.

[1:06:57] Just like, oh yeah, they're back in the same room together.

[1:06:59] That's nice.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:00] What was the scene that affected me the most in Dial of Destiny, a movie that I thought

[1:07:03] was fairly mediocre at the very end when it's Harrison Ford and Karen Allen back in the

[1:07:07] same room again.

[1:07:08] You know, it's like, oh, I like them in that other movie.

[1:07:10] And it's, I like that they had to spend time together another day, you know, for my amusement.

[1:07:15] Yeah, I get it.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:17] I'm the puppet master.

[1:07:19] That's got really ominous.

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:21] I demand you get back together fictional characters who, yes, you were reunited once in another

[1:07:26] movie a while ago, but I kind of forgot that happened.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:29] That one was pretty weak.

[1:07:30] So this marginally better one.

[1:07:35] Okay.

[1:07:37] So this is where we-

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:37] The Exorcist Believer should have been, so this was supposed to be the first movie in

[1:07:40] a trilogy.

[1:07:41] And I don't know if they're making the other two.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:42] I believe they are because I think they're-

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:44] There's a stipulation.

[1:07:46] Yeah.

[1:07:46] Oh, because they spent, I was reading about it, the rights to make this series was like

[1:07:51] $400 million or something like that for the distribution rights.

[1:07:54] Yeah.

[1:07:55] And this movie did not do that well.

[1:07:57] It wasn't a huge failure, but it didn't do that well.

[1:07:59] But the-

[1:07:59] Believer should be the third one in the series.

[1:08:01] I think so.

[1:08:02] It should be like the Exorcist Apostate, and then like the Exorcist Conversion, and then

[1:08:06] like the Exorcist Believer, something like that.

Stuart Wellington

[1:08:07] I think the next one is Exorcist Deceiver.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:10] Oh, okay.

[1:08:11] Oh, like the song, Dreamer Deceiver?

[1:08:14] Or just Deceiver?

[1:08:14] Oh, it's a great two-song song song.

[1:08:16] Duo from Juice Wraith?

[1:08:17] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:08:17] Yeah.

[1:08:18] I, because of international monies and such, like this movie did well, actually.

[1:08:24] This, it was a $30 million budget.

[1:08:27] It made $137 million.

[1:08:29] So, it was a big return on investment despite being not good.

[1:08:34] For production, maybe.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:35] But again, that doesn't cover marketing costs or just the cost of the distribution rights,

[1:08:39] which were so expensive.

Dan McCoy

[1:08:40] I understand.

[1:08:41] But, you know, $30 to $130, like someone's making enough money off of this, too, that it's not.

Stuart Wellington

[1:08:47] Well, in the theory that like when they made those distribution rights, they made that purchase.

[1:08:52] I'm assuming they had factored in that there was going to be three movies.

[1:08:56] Yes.

[1:08:57] I think that's fair.

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:58] You're right.

[1:08:59] Deceiver is the second one, although it seems it has been removed from the schedule so far.

[1:09:03] And I wonder if the third one's going to be like the Exorcist Reaver.

Dan McCoy

[1:09:09] Yeah.

[1:09:10] What else we got?

[1:09:11] Receiver.

[1:09:12] Reaver.

[1:09:13] Mm-hmm.

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:14] The Exorcist Devo.

[1:09:16] I mean, if you have like a certain accent, then it rhymes.

[1:09:20] Uh-huh.

[1:09:20] The Exorcist John Cheever.

[1:09:23] Yep.

[1:09:24] Uh-huh.

[1:09:25] What else we got?

[1:09:26] Cheezer.

[1:09:27] The Exorcist.

[1:09:27] Little Caesar.

[1:09:28] You could bring a beaver into the mix.

[1:09:30] The Exorcist Beaver.

[1:09:31] Yeah, it's a beaver that's been possessed by the devil.

[1:09:35] The Exorcist Dreamweaver.

[1:09:36] Yeah, yeah.

[1:09:37] The Exorcist Lever 2000.

[1:09:39] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:09:39] Oh, man.

[1:09:39] These are great.

[1:09:40] Okay.

[1:09:41] Oh, this is the part where we...

[1:09:43] The Exorcist Steve-O.

[1:09:47] Okay, that doesn't...

[1:09:48] It's a slant rhyme at best.

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:51] What are we doing?

[1:09:52] You're right.

[1:09:52] That's the main problem with The Exorcist Steve-O.

[1:09:54] It's the third movie in the trilogy.

[1:09:57] Steve-O.

[1:09:58] He's possessed.

[1:09:59] He must be possessed by the devil.

[1:10:00] He's stapling his testicles to his leg.

[1:10:02] No, actually, this is just what he does.

[1:10:03] This is kind of my thing.

Dan McCoy

[1:10:06] Is this a good, bad movie?

[1:10:07] A bad, bad movie?

[1:10:08] Or a movie you kind of like?

[1:10:10] I'm going to say that, you know, for the first 30 minutes, it wasn't that I thought it was great.

[1:10:16] But I'm like, oh, this movie is a lot better than I was led to believe.

[1:10:19] And then it took a steep nosedive.

[1:10:21] And I will say it's just bad, bad.

[1:10:24] Stuart?

Stuart Wellington

[1:10:26] Yeah, I mean, I think we've talked about a lot of the flaws of the movie.

[1:10:30] I feel like for the most part, I kind of like Elliot, I have a little bit of trouble doing these demon possession movies because they so often rely on an acceptance of Judeo-Christian bullshit.

[1:10:47] Which is, you know, it's a hard hurdle for me to clear.

[1:10:52] I mean, I wish it had been a little more fun.

[1:10:56] I mean, I feel like I like Evil Deads and your When Evil Lurks and that kind of gross out kind of possession.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:03] Even the first Exorcist movie, which is a very somber and like stoic movie in a lot of ways, has fun parts and parts that are wild.

[1:11:10] And like when audiences went to see it, they didn't walk out going, oh, oh, that was a somber, rough experience.

[1:11:17] They walked out going like, did you see that?

[1:11:19] What?

[1:11:19] That was not!

[1:11:20] It was a huge hit because it's kind of a fun movie to watch.

[1:11:22] And this doesn't have that.

Dan McCoy

[1:11:24] Yeah.

[1:11:24] But also that movie, I mean, particularly at the time, was truly transgressive.

[1:11:28] It had some horrifying things for a child to be doing and saying about a major religion.

[1:11:36] Like all these, like in this movie, does not even touch like the idea of being transgressive in any way.

[1:11:43] Like this is a bog standard horror movie.

[1:11:46] Yep.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:46] I think that's what it is for me.

[1:11:47] It feels just very, and it doesn't surprise me if it's true that it was kind of taken away and redid.

[1:11:53] But it feels like a, ironically for a movie whose message is all about how it takes a group working together to save a child,

[1:12:01] it feels like it's kind of a committee-made horror movie where there's not a lot of real vision or excitement behind it.

[1:12:07] So it's a, yeah, it's kind of a disappointing movie.

Stuart Wellington

[1:12:11] Yeah, I feel like probably a lot of the negative things that I would target the director with

[1:12:16] are mainly just complaints about general, like nostalgia bait, legacy cool stuff that,

[1:12:23] rather than any specific critiques of an individual.

S4

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Stuart Wellington

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Stuart Wellington

[1:12:44] Or, how a former Mattel employee managed to grow Sega into a video game powerhouse?

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[1:12:50] Join us, host Austin and Brenda, and learn all of these things and more at Secret Histories of Nerd Mysteries,

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Stuart Wellington

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[1:13:11] He, he loves the dishwasher wrong.

[1:13:14] Please help! Please help me!

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:17] Where are you now, ma'am?

[1:13:18] At the kitchen table. I was with my dad. He mispronounced his words intentionally.

Stuart Wellington

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[1:18:17] Hey, now it's time to answer some letters from listeners.

[1:18:22] Listeners like you.

[1:18:24] This first letter is…

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:26] If you like sending us letters and having us tell you stuff.

[1:18:31] If you like asking us questions, because one question's not enough, then maybe send down a letter by the mail or the internet.

[1:18:43] And we'll answer it someday if we haven't gotten to it yet.

Stuart Wellington

[1:18:49] Okay.

[1:18:50] That's a song about somebody writing a letter to a podcast that they like because they think their partner doesn't like that podcast.

[1:18:56] Yes, exactly.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:57] But the thing is, their partner wrote the same type of letter.

[1:18:59] The printer is that podcast.

[1:19:01] Yeah.

[1:19:01] Wow.

[1:19:02] Oh, yeah.

[1:19:02] That's O'Henry's gift of the podcast.

[1:19:05] This is from Brad, last name withheld, who writes…

[1:19:08] Brad Lander?

[1:19:09] I was in Barcelona for my 40th birthday, and I took a run along the beach while listening to the peaches discuss Kangaroo Jack.

[1:19:17] The old beach peach, yep.

[1:19:18] During the podcast, Elliot brought up Blue by Eiffel 65, which I probably hadn't thought about for over a decade.

[1:19:28] The next day, I was in the Picasso Museum, and when I stepped into the room showcasing his blue period, that song was instantly stuck in my head.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:36] The same song he listened to when he was painting those.

[1:19:38] That's why he did it that way.

[1:19:39] Yeah, that makes sense.

Dan McCoy

[1:19:40] My first thought was, you did this, Elliot.

[1:19:43] You did this.

[1:19:45] Thanks for all the wonderful podcasts.

[1:19:47] That's from Brad.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:48] You're welcome.

[1:19:49] I will actually tell a true story from my life, which is that just the day before yesterday, I was with my older son, Samuel, at a Cub Scout thing where people had to wear different color vests, and they were saying, okay, what vest are you?

[1:20:01] And someone said, I'm blue, and then it was all over after a little bit.

[1:20:03] And I said to Sammy, I applaud your self-restraint that you didn't say, da-boo-dee, da-boo-dai, when the guy said, I'm blue.

[1:20:09] And Sammy was like, oh, I didn't even think about that.

[1:20:11] And I was like, it's the first thing I thought of.

[1:20:13] It's the first thing I always think of.

[1:20:14] Are you even my son?

Dan McCoy

[1:20:16] Yeah, yeah.

[1:20:18] Well, you're welcome.

[1:20:20] You're welcome.

[1:20:21] You're welcome, Brad.

[1:20:21] With that fifth down.

[1:20:22] Yeah.

[1:20:24] Borderline novelty songs of the past lane.

[1:20:27] Borderline?

[1:20:28] Well, it's not like a, you know, it's not like a flying purple people eater or, you know, Hello Mother.

[1:20:33] It's pretty close.

Stuart Wellington

[1:20:34] I mean, they're both about aliens of different colors.

Dan McCoy

[1:20:36] Yeah, I guess.

Stuart Wellington

[1:20:38] This, yeah, of all the novelty songs, Dan, you picked the wrong one as a counterexample.

[1:20:43] Dan brought receipts, but they were the wrong receipts, and he could not return the item.

Dan McCoy

[1:20:47] There was nothing in the song about a bikini that was itsy bitsy.

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:51] It's also about colors.

[1:20:53] It's also about the object's color, Dan.

[1:20:55] Oh, boy.

[1:20:56] But now I wish both of those had spoken word intros.

[1:20:59] Where, let me tell you about a story about a bikini.

[1:21:03] This bikini was yellow with polka dots on it, and everyone who saw it was like, what a bikini.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:09] And then the song starts, and you're like, oh, okay.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:14] Here's a story about a guy who's purple and eats some flies, or he eats purple people, it's not quite clear.

[1:21:21] But anyway, the thing is, he wants to be in a band.

[1:21:23] Now the song.

[1:21:25] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:26] Now the song.

[1:21:28] That's how they end that part.

[1:21:31] Now that you are adequately prepared for the song.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:34] Now that we've made it so you won't have surprises.

[1:21:38] This letter.

[1:21:39] Because we're worried that your heart might be too weak to take a song premise you're not prepared for.

Dan McCoy

[1:21:45] Very thoughtful narrator.

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:48] Now here's a story about a sandman who is entering.

[1:21:52] He wasn't there, and now this sandman's going to enter.

[1:21:55] So when I say exit light and enter night, you know it's the sandman who's entering in.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:00] Elliot, you're also bringing up a song that basically has a spoken word section in the middle.

[1:22:04] Yeah.

[1:22:04] That's true.

[1:22:05] I mean, they're just saying, you know, there's branding.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:06] Just to give you a break from the song.

[1:22:08] You're like, the song is rocking too hard.

[1:22:10] We were worried about you.

[1:22:11] You need a break.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:12] Yeah.

[1:22:12] You need a rest to have some orange slices.

[1:22:14] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:16] This one's from Tim.

[1:22:20] It's so dehydrated from all that rock.

[1:22:22] Yeah.

[1:22:23] This is from-

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:23] All that headbanging is just shaking the sweat right out of your head.

[1:22:26] You need to replenish it.

Dan McCoy

[1:22:27] Yeah.

[1:22:27] Tim, last name withheld.

[1:22:29] Let's see.

[1:22:30] Who writes?

[1:22:30] Tim Heidecker.

[1:22:31] Yeah, probably.

[1:22:32] Hey, Beaches.

[1:22:33] I started listening to your podcast in 2015, but dropped off in 2017.

[1:22:38] Oh, my God.

[1:22:39] Now I'm listening again in 2023.

[1:22:41] Yay.

[1:22:41] So what did I miss?

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:43] So what did I miss?

[1:22:45] Oh, wow.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:45] What did I miss?

[1:22:46] Not one of Leslie Odom's songs in that show, but he's in that show.

[1:22:49] Yeah.

[1:22:50] That's one of Daveed Diggs' songs.

[1:22:52] I don't know, man.

[1:22:53] What did we miss?

[1:22:54] Oh, there was a COVID thingy.

[1:22:56] We did some stuff during that.

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:57] We do a lot of minis now.

[1:22:59] They're pretty good.

[1:23:02] They're pretty hilarious.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:04] We covered the first of the Rogue Moon movies, and I think that catches us up.

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:08] Rebel Moon, which I'm glad that it made such an impression that you got the name right.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:12] Oh, Rogue Moon, I think it's a novel.

[1:23:14] Yeah.

[1:23:15] That old Rebel Moon.

[1:23:16] Yep.

[1:23:16] I'm looking to see.

Dan McCoy

[1:23:18] I got married.

[1:23:19] I got remarried somewhere in there.

[1:23:20] That's a thing that happened.

[1:23:21] Yeah, that's true.

[1:23:21] I think that happened.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:23] We worked various jobs.

[1:23:26] There's a strike.

[1:23:28] We did a strike.

[1:23:28] Dan and my union went on strike.

[1:23:31] I got like super buff.

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:34] That is a thing.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:35] Yeah, super buffed up.

[1:23:36] Super buffed.

[1:23:36] Yeah.

[1:23:37] Yeah.

[1:23:38] He's got swole.

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:39] Yeah.

[1:23:40] Yeah.

[1:23:40] So Elliot probably had like four more babies or something.

[1:23:44] Look at trad male Kalen over here.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:46] Yeah.

[1:23:47] My wife and I had another litter of children.

[1:23:49] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:23:50] Yeah.

[1:23:51] I feel like that's not going to be Elliot's next line of work is trad male influencer who's

[1:23:56] like talks about how the ideal situation is like living on a farm and making like raising

[1:24:02] cows and making all your own food.

[1:24:04] And I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:06] I don't think I do very well at it.

[1:24:07] Yeah.

[1:24:09] When you said trad male, I thought you said.

[1:24:11] Yeah.

[1:24:12] I thought you said.

[1:24:12] Tread male.

[1:24:13] I thought you said.

[1:24:13] I said treadmill and I was like, I can get one of those.

[1:24:16] I thought you said trans male, like a Trandoshan, like Bosk.

[1:24:19] And I was like, I could be.

[1:24:20] I could be a Bosk.

[1:24:21] Yeah, sure.

[1:24:21] Yeah.

[1:24:22] That's what I meant.

[1:24:22] Yeah.

[1:24:23] Now, what if the TV show Bosch.

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:24] I'm glad that.

[1:24:25] Yes.

[1:24:25] Go on.

[1:24:26] It was about Bosk.

[1:24:27] I guarantee you there is.

[1:24:29] Somebody has already fucking made a like a mashup poster and sells it as a t-shirt.

[1:24:34] Yeah.

[1:24:34] I guarantee you.

[1:24:35] No question.

[1:24:35] Yeah.

[1:24:36] And that some, and some, some Star Wars fan bought it for their dad who loves Bosch.

[1:24:40] And he's like, I guess I'll wear this thing.

[1:24:43] And the dad's like, what the hell is this?

[1:24:44] I don't understand.

[1:24:45] You see that?

[1:24:46] I buy all my clothes at Costco.

[1:24:48] So I guess I can wear this non-Kirkland shirt.

[1:24:51] I was, I was tickled by.

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:53] This is worse than the Eric Zuckusberg shirt you made me.

Dan McCoy

[1:24:56] I enjoyed a recent Josh Gondelman tweet, which was about his dad trying to explain a TV show

[1:25:02] to him by saying it was, it's kind of like Bosch, but not that, but kind of not like Bosch.

[1:25:08] And it turned out the show was justified.

[1:25:10] And I'm like, I guess that's true.

[1:25:13] That's a fair description.

[1:25:14] It's a fair description of justified.

[1:25:16] It is kind of like Bosch and they're both, you know, detective shows.

[1:25:19] And feature, and feature.

[1:25:21] Kind of not like Bosch.

Stuart Wellington

[1:25:22] Deadwood alums.

[1:25:23] Yeah.

[1:25:24] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:25:25] Fits, fits the bill.

Stuart Wellington

[1:25:26] So if you're looking for a show, it's kind of like Bosch, but not like Bosch.

Dan McCoy

[1:25:31] Checked out justified.

[1:25:32] Screaming now.

[1:25:35] Hey, this is the part of the show where we recommend movies that are a better use of

[1:25:39] your time than what we do with our time.

[1:25:41] Okay.

[1:25:42] Watch movies for the.

[1:25:44] Tell me about it.

[1:25:45] While we were on the road, this is an appropriate recommendation.

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:49] We just got back from our tour.

[1:25:50] From our.

[1:25:50] Yes.

[1:25:51] Errors West Coast tour, which we should mention.

[1:25:53] We should have mentioned this at the top, maybe.

[1:25:55] Actually, you know what?

[1:25:56] This episode is going to come out, even though we're recording this before a mini, it's going

[1:25:59] to come out after a mini.

[1:25:59] So during the mini, let's talk about how, how great our tour went and how proud of our

[1:26:03] audiences.

[1:26:03] Reverse planning.

[1:26:04] Let's do it.

[1:26:05] Dan, I can't help it that I have memento syndrome.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:09] Anyway, what I was saying is appropriate to this, this podcast, I will recommend a William

[1:26:17] Friedkin movie that I saw on the road.

[1:26:22] We had one night off and I was like, what am I going to do with that night off?

[1:26:26] I'm going to go to the movies.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:27] How could I best appreciate the nightlife of Los Angeles?

[1:26:31] I know I'll go to a movie theater.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:32] To be fair, we were both located in not so beautiful downtown LA in our hotel.

Stuart Wellington

[1:26:39] Wow.

[1:26:40] I'm making no friends today.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:42] I don't think anyone who lives in Los Angeles is going to argue with me about this.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:47] No, no.

[1:26:48] It's yeah.

[1:26:48] I mean, downtown is the place to go if you want to try out a new restaurant, but to get

[1:26:52] there, you have to walk down a block that smells like human feces.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:55] Yeah.

[1:26:55] And I didn't, you know, I didn't want to hop in a cab and go somewhere far away, which

[1:26:59] is what you got to go do in LA.

[1:27:01] But six minutes away from where we were staying, lo and behold, they're playing Sorcerer, the

[1:27:08] William Friedkin movie that I had never seen.

[1:27:10] I'd never seen Sorcerer and I had been waiting to see it on the big screen.

[1:27:15] Lady Bird star Sorcerer Ronin.

[1:27:17] A couple of screenings that I couldn't go to.

[1:27:21] I was like, I keep missing my chance.

[1:27:22] And I finally saw it on the road.

[1:27:25] Did I almost fall asleep towards the end because we had been doing a grueling tour schedule?

[1:27:30] Yes.

[1:27:30] But I stayed awake and I really enjoyed it.

[1:27:34] I would say that the wages of fear, which Sorcerer is based on the same source material, although

[1:27:40] taking it in a very different way.

[1:27:42] Wages of fear.

[1:27:44] One of my favorite movies.

[1:27:45] You know, I think that if you feel the need to compare them, I still like wages of fear's

[1:27:51] approach a little bit better.

[1:27:53] But man, Sorcerer is good.

[1:27:55] It's it.

[1:27:56] It haunted me afterwards.

[1:27:57] It has some.

[1:28:00] Just very frightening set pieces in it.

[1:28:04] Roy Scheider is so good at being both like tough and like sensitive.

[1:28:08] You can see how his mind is falling apart over this grueling experience.

[1:28:14] All the other actors are tremendously compelling.

[1:28:19] Tangerine Dream, of course, did the score.

[1:28:21] I can go wrong.

[1:28:23] So.

[1:28:24] I don't know.

[1:28:25] If you're a film buff and like me, somehow hasn't seen this.

[1:28:29] It's great.

[1:28:30] Major work.

[1:28:31] It's a good movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:32] Dan, did you answer that?

[1:28:33] Did you get the answer to the question of whether androids dream of electric tangerines?

[1:28:37] Mm hmm.

Dan McCoy

[1:28:37] I did not.

[1:28:38] I did not.

[1:28:39] I forgot to stay.

[1:28:41] I assume that was answered in an end credit sequence.

[1:28:44] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:28:46] Yeah.

[1:28:46] So I'm going to recommend a musical.

[1:28:50] I'm going to recommend Dick's the Musical.

[1:28:52] I don't think we've recommended that one yet.

[1:28:54] It is a.

[1:28:55] Based on the Sporting's Good store.

[1:28:57] It is based on the Sporting's Good store.

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:00] Gotta stock these balls.

[1:29:01] Gotta stock them up at Dick's.

[1:29:04] Sports balls.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:04] Very silly, queer musical about two long lost twin brothers who meet while working at the same job selling basically widgets.

[1:29:18] And they're working for Megan Thee Stallion.

[1:29:21] And they decide to get their mother and father to get back together.

[1:29:24] It sounds like you're making the movie up as you go along.

[1:29:26] And they're a.

[1:29:28] What I was not expecting were the prominently featured puppet sewer boy monsters that take up a large portion of the plot of this movie.

[1:29:39] These two little monster guys.

[1:29:40] And they are great.

[1:29:41] And it is the hardest I've laughed at a movie in years, I would imagine.

[1:29:45] Oh.

[1:29:46] It is such a silly thing.

[1:29:48] And it is.

[1:29:50] It's one of those movies.

[1:29:51] It's a movie where I'm like desperately hoping just regular old Megan Thee Stallion fans are like, oh, what's this movie?

[1:29:58] I'll watch it.

[1:29:58] And then be like have their minds blown by how strange this thing is.

Dan McCoy

[1:30:03] Yeah.

[1:30:03] I've heard great things.

[1:30:04] I really want to.

[1:30:05] It's really funny.

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:07] So we're talking about The Exorcist.

[1:30:09] So I wanted to recommend a horror movie.

[1:30:11] So I'm recommending a movie called Carrie, not the one you're thinking of.

[1:30:15] This is Carrie from.

Stuart Wellington

[1:30:17] We just both recommend movies with, let's say, horror elements in them.

[1:30:21] So I think we're on brand here, Ellie.

[1:30:23] You don't have to shame us.

[1:30:24] I guess so.

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:24] We'll see.

[1:30:25] So this is Carrie from 1952, directed by William Wyler.

[1:30:28] It's an adaptation of the novel Sister Carrie by Theodore Dreiser.

[1:30:31] And it's about the horror of needing money and how you live in a system where if you don't have money, your dreams are unattainable.

[1:30:40] And if you choose love over money, you will suffer for it.

[1:30:43] And so it's the story of a young woman, Carrie Meber.

[1:30:46] She leaves her small town and goes to Chicago.

[1:30:48] And along the way becomes the girlfriend, live-in girlfriend of a salesman who will not marry her.

[1:30:54] He's just too happy with his life and his freedom.

[1:30:57] But she falls in love with a restaurant maitre d' named Hurstwood who's played by Laurence Olivier.

[1:31:03] Carrie Meber is played by Jennifer Jones.

[1:31:05] And it kind of becomes Laurence Olivier's movie from that point on where he falls in love with Carrie.

[1:31:12] But he has a wife.

[1:31:13] He has a family.

[1:31:15] And he has this ostensibly lucrative, respectable job as the maitre d' at a very respectable restaurant.

[1:31:22] And he puts all that at risk for his love of Carrie.

[1:31:24] And he pays for it dramatically as his life falls apart.

[1:31:29] And it's funny because they made the ending of the movie a little bit slightly more positive than the ending of the book.

[1:31:36] But it's still pretty grim.

[1:31:38] I mean, the book has a very grim ending.

[1:31:39] But it still feels like a very grim kind of like –

Stuart Wellington

[1:31:42] Dead or Alive, the Takeshi Miike movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:31:44] Exactly, yeah.

[1:31:45] Which is also based on a Theodore Dreisner novel, yeah.

[1:31:48] I think that's based on Jenny Gerhart, yeah.

[1:31:52] But it's still a – it's a real bracing movie.

[1:31:56] It's a movie where characters continue to have life smack them in the face over and over again.

[1:32:00] And the ending is still fairly rough even though it's sentimental.

[1:32:04] And it's from 1952 and I wonder if it was taken at the time for the way I was taking it, which was very much a movie about, like I'm saying, the need for money and how if you don't have money, if you're not well off, if you're not stable in that way, you cannot have the things in life that other people desire or sometimes take for granted.

[1:32:24] And I found it very powerful in that way.

[1:32:26] So that's Carrie.

[1:32:27] Not the Carrie about the telekinetic girl.

[1:32:30] That's also a good movie.

[1:32:31] But there's a different movie called Carrie.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:34] Wow, we did it.

[1:32:34] I don't know.

[1:32:35] Sounds pretty complex.

[1:32:36] I'll just watch the telekinetic girl one.

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:38] I mean, if anything, the plot – so this is about a man who falls in love with a woman and it wrecks his life.

[1:32:43] Carrie the telekinetic is a movie about a girl who upon puberty she has superpowers.

[1:32:47] Like it's more complicated.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:48] I'm saying it's too hard for my brain to fathom that there's another movie named Carrie.

[1:32:52] So I'm just going to watch the one today.

[1:32:52] Oh, I see.

[1:32:53] Mm-hmm.

[1:32:55] Hey, this podcast is on the Maximum Fun Podcasting Network.

[1:33:01] We're getting ready to gear up for MaxFun Drive.

[1:33:04] They've got a lot of great shows over there.

[1:33:07] Why don't you check out MaximumFun.org.

[1:33:10] Check some of those out.

[1:33:12] Thank you to our producer, Alex Smith, who goes by Howell Doughty on the internet.

[1:33:18] And he does a lot of great work of his own, podcasts, music.

[1:33:23] Check that out.

[1:33:25] And if you have the time and the inclination, leave us five-star review on iTunes maybe.

[1:33:33] Leave us a five-star review.

[1:33:35] A definite article would have helped that sentence out.

[1:33:39] And if you don't have the inclination –

[1:33:40] Please don't take off a star for that.

[1:33:41] Maybe do it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:33:42] I'll be leaving five one-star reviews, Dan.

[1:33:46] Ha, ha, ha, ha.

[1:33:47] It's me, the straw man.

[1:33:49] It's me, LaMashtu.

Elliott Kalan

[1:33:51] If you don't –

[1:33:52] The straw man.

Dan McCoy

[1:33:53] If you don't like the show, don't put the energy into trying to take us down.

[1:33:57] Really, like, what's the point, you know?

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:00] Yeah, what's the point, man?

[1:34:01] We would let live.

[1:34:01] What would be the point?

[1:34:02] Why would you do that?

Stuart Wellington

[1:34:03] YOLO, you know?

[1:34:04] We're such small peaches.

[1:34:06] Why would you take us down?

[1:34:07] Yeah.

[1:34:08] We're little peaches.

[1:34:08] We can't defend ourselves.

[1:34:10] We're fuzzy and –

[1:34:11] We get squashed.

[1:34:12] Yeah, we'll get smooshed.

Dan McCoy

[1:34:13] But you know what?

[1:34:15] This has been The Flophouse.

[1:34:16] And for The Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[1:34:18] Hey, I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:34:20] I'm Elliot Kalin.

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:23] Okay, bye.

[1:34:25] Did you expect another song?

[1:34:27] Did you expect another Imagine Dragons reference?

[1:34:28] Yes.

[1:34:28] Why did that take everybody a surprise?

[1:34:29] Yes.

[1:34:30] Come on.

[1:34:31] Bye.

Dan McCoy

[1:34:35] I got a bad one.

[1:34:37] Can I try this bad one?

[1:34:38] Yeah, of course you can.

[1:34:39] On this episode, we discuss The Exorcist.

[1:34:42] Believer.

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:43] You made me a – you made me a – Exorcist.

[1:34:46] An exorcist.

[1:34:49] That's a hot song.

[1:34:51] That's a popular song now or was it two years ago?

Dan McCoy

[1:34:53] No, a long time ago at this point.

[1:34:55] But it's still terrible.

[1:34:57] Who's that?

[1:34:58] Imagine Dragons?

[1:34:59] Yeah.

[1:34:59] Yeah, yeah.

[1:34:59] Hey, Dan.

[1:35:00] Dan, imagine some dragons.

[1:35:02] Okay.

[1:35:02] Doing it?

[1:35:03] Okay, I'm having a better time than listening to the music.

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Ep.#417 - Exorcist: Believer

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