liveshow Episode #439 Dec 7, 2024 01:11:17
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Elliott Kalan
[0:00] Hi, Floppers. Before we start this episode, I just wanted to remind you we are in the middle of FlopTV Season 2.
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[0:22] We're covering movies we've never covered before. We've got video segments. It's amazing.
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Dan McCoy
[0:33] On this episode, we discuss the Avengers, live in Oxford, England!
Stuart Wellington
[0:56] Wow!
Dan McCoy
[1:09] Good, you got your cue.
[1:12] Yay!
[1:12] They picked it up.
[1:14] Hello, this is the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.
Elliott Kalan
[1:17] I'm Stuart Wellington.
[1:18] I'm Elliot Kalin. Dan, what do we do on the Flophouse?
Dan McCoy
[1:21] The Flophouse is a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.
[1:25] And we're talking about 1998, the Avengers, not...
Elliott Kalan
[1:30] Dan, I thought the Avengers came out in 2000 and something.
Dan McCoy
[1:34] Elliot, you beautiful fool. You're thinking...
Elliott Kalan
[1:36] This has all my favorite American characters.
[1:39] Captain America, Thor.
[1:42] We took him from the North. He's ours now.
[1:45] Iron Man, a genuine war criminal hero. Thank you.
[1:48] Yep.
[1:49] That's pretty American, actually.
[1:50] Yeah.
[1:51] Black Widow, Russian technically.
[1:54] We'll take her. Sure, why not?
Dan McCoy
[1:55] No, of course, this is the film that was based on the popular British television show, The Avengers.
Elliott Kalan
[2:02] About Captain America, Thor.
Dan McCoy
[2:06] About...
[2:06] Steed? John Steed, is that correct?
[2:09] And Emma Peel?
[2:10] Don't pretend you didn't watch this show when you were younger, Dan.
Elliott Kalan
[2:13] Dan, for the audience who may be listening at home later if we release this,
[2:16] Dan gave a whole presentation about how just totally all over British TV he was as a kid.
[2:21] And now he's like, oh, yeah, I think it's about a guy named John Steed.
[2:24] And he's like a secret agent.
[2:26] In the first season, he had a male sidekick and they were investigating someone's murder.
[2:29] But then in the second season, they took it over a different way.
[2:32] I've never seen it, though. I don't know.
Dan McCoy
[2:33] Well, I mean, this is the funny thing about making a movie, a big blockbuster American movie about the Avengers,
[2:40] because it is not something, I think, widely known on our shores.
[2:47] I did see it a few episodes growing up.
[2:50] It would play on arts and entertainment.
[2:53] Oh, A&E.
[2:54] The basic cables version of PBS before it turned into a place where you watch shitty reality programming.
Elliott Kalan
[3:00] Yeah, they really jettisoned the arts part of arts and entertainment eventually.
[3:04] Yeah.
[3:05] Yep, this is even worse than when they made that Fawlty Towers American remake movie where they were all superheroes again.
Dan McCoy
[3:14] So, yeah, basically my association with it was Diana Rigg looked pretty good in a catsuit.
[3:21] That was my main...
[3:23] Why are you staring at me, Diana?
Stuart Wellington
[3:26] That's all you talked about in the green room.
[3:28] Yeah.
Dan McCoy
[3:29] Whenever I'm a little pervy, I just need to look to you for comfort.
[3:32] No, it's cool, dude.
[3:33] Validation that it's okay.
[3:34] I'm in. Yeah, let's do it.
Elliott Kalan
[3:36] So, you're saying this was kind of like when the movie John Carter came out, and the filmmakers were like,
[3:41] people are going to lose their shit when they see a movie of their favorite character, John Carter?
[3:47] The Warlord of Mars?
[3:48] You know, we wouldn't even have American superheroes without John Carter.
[3:51] And the movie came out, and everyone was like, I don't know who that is.
[3:54] I don't know who this 100-year-old character is.
[3:56] And my wife said, it sounds like the kind of movie where George Clooney plays a sad guy.
[4:02] Yeah.
[4:03] Well, should we launch into it?
[4:06] Let's walk through The Avengers 1998.
[4:08] So, we begin with credits over storm clouds and very, almost, they should be ashamed of themselves.
[4:16] Cheap-looking video effects.
[4:18] The titles are kind of like spinning, like they're going down a drain or going up a drain.
[4:24] And this is the first effect a child uses when they are editing on a computer.
[4:30] And then when they turn eight, they go, why am I doing this?
Dan McCoy
[4:32] This is, I shouldn't use this.
[4:33] Honestly, Elliot, I loved these credits because these were the most 1998 credits I have ever seen.
[4:41] And it hit a nostalgia button, and then everything else was sort of downhill from the credits.
[4:45] Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
Stuart Wellington
[4:46] Did you guys, did you guys see this when it came out?
Dan McCoy
[4:48] No.
[4:49] I did, yes.
Stuart Wellington
[4:50] Because it, like, it came out, like, shortly after Men in Black.
[4:54] I felt like it was, like, trying to hit a same tone or an audience as, like, a Men in Black.
Elliott Kalan
[4:59] They were like, you know what people hated in Men in Black?
[5:01] The aliens.
[5:02] Let's take them out.
Dan McCoy
[5:04] I mean, you know, I, yeah, I watched it at the time.
[5:07] I was vaguely familiar with the show.
[5:09] I like the idea of, like, mod sort of spy stuff.
[5:15] Uma Thurman, very beautiful.
[5:17] Ralph Fiennes looks also very beautiful in this movie.
[5:20] Also very beautiful, yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[5:21] So here's my question that I should have done research for before the show, but I didn't think of it until now.
[5:25] When did Austin Powers come out?
[5:27] That's a good question.
[5:28] Because I wonder if they were like...
[5:29] There's no way of knowing.
[5:30] There's no way of knowing.
[5:31] And no one in the audience, look it up.
[5:32] We should never know.
[5:34] He's always been with us, Elliot.
[5:37] If you go back to ancient, ancient cave paintings of Austin Powers.
Stuart Wellington
[5:42] Yeah, baby, they said.
Elliott Kalan
[5:44] It's like in a cave of forgotten memories, Werner Herzog is like,
[5:47] here we see the ancient cave people have used the contours of the cave to adequately express the bulge in the pants of Austin Powers.
[5:56] Mm-hmm.
[5:58] Here they have taken a jutting out of the rock and painted a Union Jack underpants on it.
[6:03] Uh-huh, yeah.
Dan McCoy
[6:04] Yeah, interesting, because it was not a flag that existed at the time, but those, you know...
[6:10] No.
Dan McCoy
[6:10] That was the way they cast the runes and they knew it was coming.
Elliott Kalan
[6:13] So anyway, we're halfway through the opening credits, so let's keep going.
[6:15] Okay.
[6:15] Oh, God.
[6:16] They are very...
[6:18] They're real sub-James Bond credits.
[6:20] There's a lot of silhouettes.
[6:21] There's a lot of silhouettes of umbrellas.
[6:23] And as soon as you see umbrellas in the opening credits, you're like, this movie's going to be awesome.
[6:28] We're introduced to Ralph Fiennes as John Steed, secret agent.
[6:32] It types out 90s style on the screen, John Steed, The Ministry, which is a band, right?
[6:39] Yeah, he plays for Ministry of the Band, right?
[6:40] Yep, yep.
[6:41] Him and Al Jurgensen, yep.
[6:42] Okay.
[6:43] He's classic, classic John Steed.
[6:46] He is the image that most Americans have of an English person.
[6:50] Bowler hat, suit, tie, umbrella.
[6:53] And he's walking through a little country village and everybody in it, the milkman, the cop,
[6:58] the lady with a pram, auto mechanic, they all drop whatever they're doing as soon as they
[7:02] see him and they just fight him.
[7:03] And he has to fight them all.
[7:05] And the fighting is, I would say, sluggish.
Dan McCoy
[7:10] Yeah.
[7:11] Yeah.
[7:12] So, we should address that half an hour was cut from this film pre-release.
Elliott Kalan
[7:20] So...
[7:20] That's a good sign usually, right?
[7:22] Well, that's why much of it makes, much of the plot makes very little sense because they
[7:26] cut a lot out.
[7:26] But that doesn't explain why.
[7:28] Do you think they extended each shot of someone punching or kicking to fill that, the time
[7:32] that was like...
Dan McCoy
[7:32] No, I mention it only to be like, perhaps we can't blame the director for every problem
[7:38] this film has since the producers gutted it.
[7:41] But it is startling how little sense of tension or ability to shoot an action sequence.
[7:50] For a big action movie, this does not have any thrills within it.
[7:55] And part of that's the tone.
[7:56] Part of the tone...
[7:58] I know that the Avengers show was also sort of like very cheeky, like kind of dry...
[8:05] Droll.
[8:05] Very droll.
Elliott Kalan
[8:06] Yeah.
[8:07] Which a droll, for people to know, it's like a droid of a troll.
Dan McCoy
[8:11] Thank you for...
[8:12] Yeah.
[8:13] Yes.
[8:13] We are...
Elliott Kalan
[8:13] If you want a portmanteau explained, just come to me, Elliot Portmanteau Kalen.
Dan McCoy
[8:17] We are in Oxford, the land of dictionaries, so I appreciate that...
[8:20] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[8:20] They don't know...
[8:21] Yeah.
[8:21] That's...
[8:22] I...
[8:22] Actually, I grew up near Portmanteau.
[8:24] I still remember the sound of the fishing boats going out to get the words.
[8:29] But...
[8:29] But...
Dan McCoy
[8:29] The movie sets a problematic tone from the beginning where it's like...
[8:36] Well, it doesn't seem like Steed cares that much about anything that's happening, so
[8:40] why the fuck should we?
[8:41] You know?
Elliott Kalan
[8:42] That's true.
[8:42] It's...
[8:43] Well, I'm going to blame a little bit of that on the director.
[8:45] Yeah.
[8:45] So it was directed by Jeremiah Chechik.
[8:47] Who I'm not...
[8:48] I didn't know by name, so I looked it up.
[8:49] That I did look up.
[8:50] And he directed a little movie called National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, also known as
[8:54] the first movie I ever saw where I experienced not liking a movie.
[9:00] The first time I ever saw a movie in the theaters and was like...
[9:03] Almost like you have an allergic reaction to something.
[9:05] And you're like, what is...
[9:05] Why is my body rejecting this?
[9:07] I don't understand.
[9:07] Like, I'm not enjoying this movie.
[9:09] Am I using it wrong?
[9:10] What's...
[9:11] Because you normally love Randy Quaid movies.
[9:13] Yeah.
[9:15] He just loves his politics.
[9:18] That's why when...
[9:19] When...
[9:20] In Total Recall, the guy's name is Quaid, and I'm like, when's Randy going to show up?
[9:24] Yeah.
[9:25] So, Ray finds...
[9:26] He's fighting his way through this village very slowly.
[9:27] It turns out it's all training exercise.
[9:29] They're just testing him out as a secret agent.
[9:32] He gives a box of macaroons to the guy who's testing him, which is going to go to his boss,
[9:37] codename Mother.
[9:39] That's right.
[9:39] It's action superstar Jim Broadbent.
[9:44] He's the head of the ministry.
[9:45] Things are about to get topsy and maybe a little turvy.
[9:48] And he tells the prime minister over the telephone...
[9:53] They couldn't get the actual prime minister for the movie.
[9:56] He tells him, the Prospero weather shield is down.
[9:59] Oh, no.
[10:00] The weather shield.
[10:02] And this is presented as if it is a thing that is real that England has.
[10:07] Maybe you do.
[10:08] I don't know what that was.
Dan McCoy
[10:08] And this is also...
[10:09] I mean, I think that this may have meant more to us in the original cut,
[10:14] because it's my understanding that in the original cut we see Uma Thurman,
[10:18] who we will meet soon, working at the Prospero weather shield,
[10:22] just getting out, her husband dying.
[10:24] We don't know in the movie as it exists that she just became widowed.
Elliott Kalan
[10:29] We see Uma Thurman beating up everybody in the Prospero base and shutting it down.
[10:35] But all that's left of that is a couple seconds of security camera footage
[10:38] we see later on.
[10:39] Because when they decided to cut down the movie,
[10:40] they took out one of the action sequences.
[10:44] So then we meet Dr. Emma Peel, Uma Thurman,
[10:47] born and raised in England, right?
[10:49] Yeah, local?
[10:50] No.
[10:51] She's the former head of the Prospero program.
[10:54] And she gets a box of chocolates delivered to her.
[10:57] And when she opens it, there's a note that says, answer the phone.
[11:01] And then the phone starts ringing and she picks it up.
[11:03] And the movie is like, the movie is trying to tell you, this movie is going to be a little quirky.
[11:07] But what it tells me is that there's a lot of unnecessary jobs in the British Secret Service.
Dan McCoy
[11:13] Like...
[11:13] You're adding a step in here that's not necessary, British Secret Service.
Elliott Kalan
[11:17] The phone has a thing that tells you to answer it.
[11:21] Which they use.
[11:22] Because it rings.
[11:23] But anyway...
Stuart Wellington
[11:24] Maybe they cut out a scene where the phone rang and she didn't answer it.
[11:29] Oh.
Elliott Kalan
[11:30] Because she's like, just looking around.
[11:33] She doesn't know what it is.
[11:34] Yeah.
[11:34] She's picking up food in the fridge.
[11:36] Picks up a banana or a croissant.
[11:38] She hits the microwave.
[11:39] Won't stop.
[11:40] Yeah.
[11:41] But we didn't see that scene either.
[11:43] So she is sent to a private men's club.
[11:44] The doorman tries to stop her because no women have been allowed in since the 1760s.
[11:49] She shows she's made of Cerner stuff by walking past him.
[11:53] It's a crack team of security they have at this club.
[11:56] She goes to meet John Steed, who is nude in the sauna reading a newspaper.
[12:01] And it seems this was a test of her as well.
[12:03] We see a little bit of Ralphine's butt.
[12:05] You see a small amount of Ralphine's butt.
Stuart Wellington
[12:08] And this was right after English Patient where you saw a lot of his butt, right?
[12:11] Yeah.
Dan McCoy
[12:12] Cool.
[12:12] So this has been our Mr. Skin Corner, if you're interested in Ralphine.
Elliott Kalan
[12:15] And of course, if you missed it, of course, he did full frontal as Robert Moses in Straight
[12:19] Line Crazy on the stage.
[12:23] He didn't really.
[12:24] That would be amazing, though, if Robert Moses is like, well, Governor Al Smith, this is
[12:29] Straight Line Crazy and just pulls his penis out.
[12:32] Please don't tell Roman Mars, my co-host on the Power Broker podcast, that I said that.
[12:37] Anyway.
[12:38] So they give their philosophies.
[12:41] He's all about the rules.
[12:42] She says the rules are made to be broken.
[12:44] This will come into play.
[12:46] Never.
[12:48] And they're kind of smilingly, smugly not liking each other.
[12:51] It's your classic African queen scenario.
[12:54] They don't like each other, but they're going to fall in love.
[12:57] But I know in the show they didn't fall in love, but this is a movie.
Dan McCoy
[12:59] Even though she has just recently widowed, which I discovered.
Elliott Kalan
[13:03] Yeah, she's on the rebound.
Dan McCoy
[13:06] So she's going to be brought into the agency.
[13:10] The ministry.
[13:11] Okay.
[13:13] Sure.
[13:14] The Avengers thing that they do.
[13:15] It's what it's called.
[13:17] But there's a...
[13:17] So normally, narratively, there's a reason you might have a character come in from the outside.
[13:23] It's either so you can show them sort of being trained and learning the ropes and through that point of view character, you learn the ropes.
[13:33] Yeah.
[13:33] Or...
[13:33] Ropes.
[13:35] Or it's sort of a mismatch where it's like, okay, well, Steed has the spy skills, but she's going to bring something else to the table.
[13:43] But instead, this movie does a thing where it's like, oh, Uma Thurman's character is immediately good at all the same things and just seems like another spy.
[13:52] Yeah.
[13:53] So I don't know why it happened.
Elliott Kalan
[13:55] Well, there's...
[13:56] I'll tell you why it happened, Dan.
[13:58] Because they go to the ministry.
[13:59] They talk to Mother, Jim Broadbent.
[14:01] Someone blew up the lab for the Prospero Weather Shield.
[14:03] Security footage shows it's Emma Peel who's the culprit.
[14:07] She's like, but that's not me.
[14:09] I didn't do that.
[14:09] And the only...
[14:10] It says it in the British legal system.
[14:13] The only way to try someone for a crime like this is to let them loose so they can solve the crime themselves.
[14:20] So she's going to team up with John Steed.
[14:22] Take it up with whoever wrote that law book everyone uses in the 19th century.
[14:27] I don't remember.
[14:28] Anyway, so she has to work with John Steed.
[14:31] And Mother's second in command, a woman named Father, she's like, I think Emma Peel may have a split personality or want revenge for the death of her husband who was a spy for us.
[14:40] This is not really brought up again.
[14:41] I mean, the split personality ideas, but her dead husband does not.
Stuart Wellington
[14:44] And Father's played by Fiona Shaw.
[14:47] Yes, that's right.
[14:47] So we got some...
[14:49] It's classy.
[14:49] It's a lot of big names.
[14:50] Yeah, heavy actors.
Elliott Kalan
[14:51] I mean, it's got a great cast.
[14:52] Yeah, it's a fantastic cast.
[14:54] So, but this is one...
[14:55] This is the kind of movie where information is brought up and the characters are like, good, established.
[15:00] We don't have to deal with that anymore.
[15:02] Internately, information is not brought up and the characters pretend that we know what they're talking about.
[15:08] So, they fence for a while, Emma Peel and John Steed, and they talk about research and her background.
[15:16] It's kind of weirdly airless.
[15:17] It turns out they're at John Steed's tailors.
[15:19] He orders a set of boots for her.
[15:21] This will come in important later on.
[15:23] That's good screenwriting.
Stuart Wellington
[15:24] And how...
[15:25] I feel like every scene is either an exposition delivery system or a pun delivery system.
[15:31] Yes.
[15:31] That's exclusively the entire movie.
Elliott Kalan
[15:33] I was going to ask you, how would you describe their banter?
[15:35] Because it's always banter, the banter of two people who hate each other and are pretending that they get along.
[15:41] That's how it felt to me.
[15:41] But how does it feel to you?
Dan McCoy
[15:42] It's banter that doesn't actually have any jokes in it.
[15:46] Yeah.
[15:47] It's just sort of like, we're going to say this to each other in an arch tone, and that's how you know we're being witty.
Elliott Kalan
[15:56] I don't know about you, but...
[15:57] Go to the expert.
[15:58] Yeah.
[15:59] Yeah.
[16:00] I don't know about you, but I could go for a bit of lunch.
[16:02] I could also go for lunch.
[16:05] And it's like, all right, there's no...
[16:07] Okay.
[16:08] Later on, they're what I would call half entendres.
[16:10] They're like not quite even single entendres.
[16:13] But anyway, they leave for the country.
Stuart Wellington
[16:15] They're watched by the most sinister man in England, Eddie Izzard.
Elliott Kalan
[16:19] And Eddie Izzard, who is, you know, is playing a bad guy in this.
[16:22] So they drive to the country.
[16:23] Of course, it's England, so John Steed's car makes tea.
[16:26] That's an American's idea of what English things are.
[16:29] And they're going to see Sir August de Winter, a fanatical meteorologist.
[16:34] And the choir...
[16:35] The choir.
[16:36] The chair.
[16:36] I misread my note here.
[16:38] He's the chair of a group called Brawley, which is a private science weather project.
[16:43] And he is so obviously the villain.
[16:45] And the characters don't seem to know that for half of the scene.
[16:48] And then they seem to pick it up, never talk about it, and just assume from that point on that he's the villain.
[16:53] And it does feel like they cut 25 minutes out of the movie.
[16:56] No, no.
Dan McCoy
[16:57] There's definitely no scene in which they're like, you know that guy who seems like a villain.
[17:01] We have the proof that he's a villain.
[17:03] They just skip over from suspicion to like, okay, this is the bad guy.
[17:08] But we're also just going to kind of dick around for a while and not take him down.
Elliott Kalan
[17:12] So it's played by Sean Connery, who has a house full of...
[17:15] He's a rich weather obsessive with a house full of traps.
[17:18] So like, maybe he's the bad guy who shut down the weather system.
[17:21] And as we'll find out later in the movie, he is related to a private weather service that creates weather that you can order to bespoke weather.
[17:30] And it's like, why'd you bother sending secret agents on this one?
[17:34] Like, there's a problem with weather in the country.
[17:37] Maybe it's the people who can make their own weather.
Stuart Wellington
[17:39] Well, and they go into his house and it's just filled with snow globes.
[17:42] So he's either like a supervillain or like, I don't know, like my weird cousin.
Elliott Kalan
[17:49] So, yeah.
[17:50] So Emma Peel, she meets Sean Connery.
[17:52] He first grabs her by the throat.
[17:55] A certain...
[17:55] Seems like a villainous thing to do.
[17:57] But then he admires her interest in weather and they talk about weather and monsoons.
[18:01] They almost make a double entendre about the phrase being wet, but they do not go that far.
[18:07] And she's like, well, I heard the military cut the funding for your weather technology.
[18:12] And he's like, nothing's impossible.
[18:13] They just didn't have the guts to do it.
[18:15] But I'll do it.
[18:15] I'm doing it right now.
[18:17] And she's like, well, I'll see you later.
[18:18] And meanwhile, John Steed is walking around and there's super winds blowing him around.
[18:24] And anyway.
[18:25] And De Winter knows that Steed is out there.
[18:28] And suddenly it's snowing on Steed.
[18:30] Like all the evidence.
[18:31] They gave them all the clues, Mr. Policeman.
[18:33] Like I don't know.
[18:33] And the evil Emma Peel shows up in a dog sled, shoots John Steed.
[18:39] He wakes up in regular Emma Peel's home.
[18:42] She denies that she shot him.
[18:43] He reveals he's wearing a bulletproof waistcoat.
[18:45] And they banter for a while.
[18:47] And she shows him.
Dan McCoy
[18:48] Yeah.
[18:48] He also is like pretty cool with it.
[18:52] Like I feel like he half doesn't believe like, oh, it wasn't her.
[18:56] But he's also like, yeah, I guess I get shot by women all the time.
[19:01] It's cool.
[19:01] You know, whatever.
Elliott Kalan
[19:02] She stole a snow globe made by this weather company.
[19:06] It's called Wonderland Weather.
[19:07] So they go there.
[19:08] And literally the woman there is just like, yeah, we make our own weather and we sell weather.
[19:11] So if you want weather, it's the place to go.
[19:13] You know, we do it.
[19:14] And they're like, we are recommended by August De Winter.
[19:16] And she's like, yeah, sure.
[19:17] Two secret agents.
[19:19] They mentioned my evil boss.
[19:20] Like, cool.
[19:20] I'll just show you the goods, what we have, you know.
[19:23] I don't know who this actress is who plays this part.
[19:26] But she was fine.
[19:29] So meanwhile, this is when the movie starts.
[19:31] Wait, sorry.
[19:32] Who, I, I'll admit that I don't.
[19:34] Who plays the Wonderland Weather receptionist.
[19:37] Oh, yes.
[19:37] Okay, okay.
[19:38] It seemed like a long, a long role that was supposed to have a joke at the end of it and then doesn't.
[19:42] And she just, they're like, we're going to browse a little.
[19:45] And she's like, okay.
[19:46] And then just walks out of the scene.
[19:47] And it's like, oh, there's no button or anything on the end of this scene, huh?
[19:50] You know, it's...
Dan McCoy
[19:51] I was asking because I couldn't quite hear.
[19:52] But like, I know that the woman who shows up later on in the street with the gun was a part that was offered to Diana Rigg.
[20:01] And she was like, no, thank you.
[20:02] I won't be doing that.
Elliott Kalan
[20:03] It's like, I don't do this anymore.
[20:05] I'm going to wait until Game of Thrones comes on TV so I can be in that.
[20:09] So this is when the movie starts getting, stops being cutesy and starts being quirky.
[20:15] Where August De Winter, he's holding a meeting with all of his other council members.
[20:19] But they can't know each other's identities.
[20:21] So they're all wearing enormous plush teddy bear costumes.
[20:25] And this I know...
[20:27] I was into it.
Dan McCoy
[20:29] This is a thing that I do know is from an episode of the series, as is the MC Escher stairs later on.
[20:36] There are these nods to the series.
[20:38] But what's interesting about them is like, while I can't recall whether they make sense in the series,
[20:45] they sure as shit don't make sense here.
[20:47] They're just thrown in.
[20:49] And I can imagine someone who has never seen an episode of the Avengers being like,
[20:54] what the fuck, why...
[20:54] Did you see that he was just wearing a bear costume?
Elliott Kalan
[20:57] I remember reading a review of this movie and it came out and they're like,
[21:00] for no reason at all, why are they meeting in teddy bear costumes?
Stuart Wellington
[21:03] And this was received well by critics of the day.
[21:06] Yeah, this is a huge hit.
Elliott Kalan
[21:07] Yeah, it won all the major critics of the world.
[21:09] Palm door, yeah.
[21:10] Yeah, yeah, best picture.
[21:11] Yeah, sure, sure.
[21:12] So, I mean, it was nominated for a Razzie for worst picture.
[21:16] But it lost.
[21:16] Yeah, I don't care about that.
[21:17] It lost to Gus Van Sant's remake of Psycho, which, say what you will about the unnecessariness of that movie,
[21:23] it's basically Psycho.
[21:24] It's like, don't give it a Razzie.
[21:25] Come on, what are you doing?
[21:26] Anyway, this is much worse than that.
[21:27] So, anyway, he goes, I understand this is tough.
[21:30] We're all super villains.
[21:30] If anyone doesn't have the stomach for it, tell me now, resign, I'll give you a million dollars.
[21:34] And two teddy bears raise their hands and he throws poison darts into them and kills them both.
[21:40] At that point, I would just quietly leave the organization.
[21:44] And so they're at Wonderland.
[21:48] Steed and Peel walk into the boardroom and find the dead teddy bear bodies.
[21:52] The movie is handing them the clues.
[21:56] And they unmask one of them.
[21:57] Uh-oh, one of the dead ones was one of the Prospero scientists.
[22:00] They chase after some bears.
[22:02] They split up.
[22:02] There's bears everywhere.
[22:04] John Steed fights Eddie Izzard and some other guys.
[22:06] He uses his umbrella because he's the penguin or something.
[22:09] And Eddie Izzard drives off, but not before first dropping a map to the Brawley secret headquarters.
[22:15] Because, again, the movie is not since seven, where the movie was like, these guys are just screwing it up.
[22:22] Bad guy, walk into the room and announce yourself to them.
[22:26] Like, David Fincher's off camera being like, one of these idiots is going to figure out it's Kevin Spacey.
[22:30] Just like, Kevin Spacey, just show up, just go.
Stuart Wellington
[22:31] Like, David Fincher's the DM and he's like, my players aren't figuring out my mystery.
[22:36] I'm just going to have Strahd walk in here and they'll deal with him.
Elliott Kalan
[22:39] It reminds me, there was a game that you ran us through once.
[22:42] And afterwards, you were like, I set up this clue.
[22:45] If you went over here, I set up this clue.
[22:46] Our characters were just bumbling around doing nothing.
Stuart Wellington
[22:50] And I'm sure I've never sounded more disappointed in my friends.
[22:54] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[22:55] So, anyway, they're on the roof.
[22:59] Emma Peel is attacked and stalked.
[23:00] She's stalked and attacked by one of the bears.
[23:02] The head comes off.
[23:02] It's the other Emma Peel.
[23:04] And John Steed arrives.
[23:05] There are two Emma Peels.
[23:06] And that second, the evil Emma Peel, runs away by jumping off the top of a building.
[23:11] And you know that she survived because they don't cut to her feeding the ground.
Dan McCoy
[23:15] She just jumps into the air.
[23:16] But what if they did?
[23:17] What a beautiful moment it would have been.
Elliott Kalan
[23:19] If they did, it really would have thrown the movie a loop, you know.
[23:21] Instead, she jumps off the building and we cut to the next scene.
[23:24] So, did the characters check?
[23:25] I don't know.
Stuart Wellington
[23:26] Now, I read somewhere that the evil Emma Peel, I guess in the movie, is a clone.
[23:31] But originally in the screenplay, she was a robot?
Elliott Kalan
[23:34] Well, at one point she was a robot.
[23:36] But in the movie, she is supposed to be a clone.
[23:38] But the scene explaining that, again, was cut.
[23:41] So, there's a brief mention of cloning at one point in the movie.
[23:45] And you're just...
[23:45] I mean, the movie is making it easier for the heroes of the movie to solve the mystery
[23:49] than it is making it for the audience to understand the story.
[23:52] Yeah.
[23:53] They don't understand.
[23:53] It's like you wanted the movie makers to be like, John Steed and Emma Peel are not
[23:56] the audience for this movie.
[23:57] Like, anyway.
[23:59] They, mother and father are arguing.
[24:02] And John Steed explains what's going on.
[24:04] And it turns out, the World Council of Ministers is about to meet in London on the day of the
[24:10] patron saint of weather.
[24:14] Which is a real Batman thing to do.
[24:18] And August De Winter, he's testing out some kind of lightning gun.
Stuart Wellington
[24:22] Wait, wait, wait.
[24:23] August De Winter?
[24:25] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[24:26] It's a clever reference to Rebecca.
[24:29] Yes.
[24:30] Just one of many Easter eggs to the work of Daphne DeMoye that's riddled throughout the Avengers.
[24:35] If you'll notice, there was a bird in one scene.
[24:39] And that night...
Dan McCoy
[24:41] And audiences didn't look now at the Avengers.
Elliott Kalan
[24:46] So, that night, Emma Peel, she explains some made-up science stuff as they play chess to John Steed.
[24:51] And there's more banter.
[24:53] And she's found an area of England that has a cluster of microclimates.
[24:57] Could that be where the bad guys are?
[24:59] I don't know.
[24:59] Let's check the map the bad guys dropped.
[25:03] Meanwhile, father is playing croquet with August De Winter.
[25:06] She's in cahoots with him.
[25:08] Oh, no.
[25:09] What's going to happen?
[25:10] Meanwhile, Eddie Izzard's using a remote control to pilot a swarm of robot bees to attack John Steed at Emma Peel's car.
[25:18] I have to admit that the jump between the croquet game to the bee scene is so abrupt.
[25:23] And I was like, I don't remember where the characters are going.
[25:26] I don't know if these bees are something that we're supposed to be surprised by or not.
[25:29] And the bees look tiny until one of them smashes into the car.
[25:31] It's huge.
[25:32] It's enormous.
[25:33] Yeah.
Stuart Wellington
[25:34] But I think Eddie Izzard seems to really be enjoying herself in the scene.
Dan McCoy
[25:41] The bee scene, I've got to give the movie at least this.
[25:44] It was the one time the movie seemed to remember that the heroes should look worried that they're being threatened.
[25:50] Yeah.
[25:50] Like, briefly, they're like, oh, shit, they're trying to kill us.
Elliott Kalan
[25:53] Yeah.
[25:54] The bees are shooting guns at them.
[25:55] And then John Steed's shooting a machine gun at them.
[25:58] And there's all sorts of crazy car chases.
[26:01] It's just action extraordinaire.
[26:03] And they run the bad guys off the road.
[26:07] And John Steed and the people are stopped by an older woman, a kind of proper lady in the road.
[26:12] That's Alice, another spy.
[26:14] She's got a huge machine gun.
[26:15] And she shoots one thug and then scares off another.
[26:18] And she's like, mother and father aren't getting along right now.
[26:22] And I'm worried about what's happening.
[26:24] I'm going to help you.
[26:25] And she is the most competent action hero in the entire movie.
[26:28] She is so very clearly the hero of the movie who just walks in.
[26:32] And she's like, let's go to Augusta Winter's house.
[26:34] I know a back door that we can sneak in through in the hedge maze.
[26:37] And they go in the hedge maze and they go, let's split up.
[26:39] She was showing you how to get in.
[26:42] Why are you splitting up?
[26:44] It doesn't make any sense.
Stuart Wellington
[26:45] Also, when the bad guys have a double of one of them, you shouldn't split up.
Elliott Kalan
[26:50] That's another very good point.
[26:52] They get into different traps.
[26:54] Augusta Winter shows up and fights John Steed.
[26:56] It's an umbrella versus a walking stick.
[26:59] And he flips John Steed's umbrella into the air and then disappears.
[27:02] And then evil Emma Peel pops out and punches him.
[27:05] And good Emma Peel, I guess.
[27:07] She's strapped into like, it's some kind of weird machine.
[27:10] I assumed it was a brainwashing machine just based on other movies where people are strapped into things.
[27:16] It's not really explained.
[27:17] But Augusta Winter is like, join me.
[27:19] You won't remember any of this when you wake up.
[27:21] But join me and do some stuff.
[27:22] And then he dances with her until she faints or falls into a trance.
[27:27] He's about to kiss her.
[27:28] Not cool.
[27:29] And then the doorbell interrupts him.
[27:31] And this is the most unbelievable part of the movie.
[27:33] This movie with giant robot bees and a weather machine.
[27:36] Augusta Winter answers his own door.
[27:40] He's got a huge manor house.
[27:42] He's rich.
[27:42] He has weather machines.
[27:44] He doesn't have a guy who answers the door for him?
Dan McCoy
[27:46] He's like, oh, I'm in the middle of doing some really evil shit.
[27:49] I've got to do this evil stuff.
Elliott Kalan
[27:50] Like, oh, man, the door.
[27:52] And now to press the button that will blow up all of England.
[27:56] Ding dong.
[27:56] Oh.
[27:58] I'll see who that is.
[27:59] Excuse me.
[28:00] You know, I'm going door to door telling people about this new solar panel installation plan.
[28:04] You know, you can get money from the government to put solar panels on your house.
[28:07] I'm a weather baron.
[28:08] I have solar panels.
[28:09] Okay.
[28:10] Yeah.
[28:10] Well, cool.
[28:10] Cool.
[28:11] Anyway, who's your cable provider?
[28:13] Oh, this is making me so.
[28:14] Wow, doing double duty.
Stuart Wellington
[28:16] I feel like that's an easy sell to a guy who can control the weather is solar panels.
[28:21] Yes.
[28:21] Yeah, exactly.
[28:21] That's true.
[28:22] Unlimited power.
[28:23] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[28:23] Okay, come in.
[28:24] Come in.
[28:24] Tell me all about it.
[28:25] I'll get back to my evil later.
[28:26] Yeah, exactly.
[28:28] So Alice is at the door.
[28:31] She's pretending to sell church raffle tickets.
[28:33] Then she just pulls a gun out and says, where's Emma Peel?
[28:36] Like, way to blow cover, you know.
[28:38] And Emma Peel walks around very woozy and she's wandering through the bowels of the house and
[28:43] she's trapped in these, like, MC Escher-esque loop stairs and rooms.
[28:46] This scene is great.
[28:48] This, where she's, I'm a sucker for any scene where someone runs out of a room and then by
[28:53] some dimensional magic ends up back in the same room.
[28:55] I go, that's one of my favorite creepy things.
Dan McCoy
[28:58] Yeah.
[28:58] Although, apparently, the way to solve this, you know, physics bending room is just to smash
[29:03] the window and go out that way.
[29:04] Yes.
Elliott Kalan
[29:05] But it's, the window has been disguised as a mirror.
[29:08] Oh.
[29:09] So unless she's Angus Scrimm from the Phantasm movies, she doesn't know to smash through
[29:14] a mirror.
Dan McCoy
[29:14] Yeah, she doesn't look at that and think of it as an exit.
[29:16] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[29:17] She's not, though.
[29:18] That's just to be clear.
[29:19] Yes, yes.
[29:19] In case anyone's wondering, she's not Angus Scrimm from the Phantasm movies.
[29:22] At no point does she tell anyone that they play a good Game Boy.
[29:25] In fact, quite the opposite.
[29:26] She tells John Steed he is not good at chess.
[29:28] Oh, interesting.
[29:29] She's like the anti-Angus Scrimm.
[29:30] I miss that little Easter egg.
Dan McCoy
[29:32] That's a little Phantasm Easter egg.
Elliott Kalan
[29:35] Yeah, Don Cascarelli was on the set and they were like, hey, Don, throw in a line.
[29:38] You're not good at games, boy.
[29:40] So she hears John Steed tapping on a window with his umbrella, something you would not
[29:46] do unless you needed to notify someone on the other side that it's a window.
[29:49] And she hurls, she jumps through the mirror and it leads outside, but she is knocked out.
[29:53] And then Eddie Izzard knocks out Alice.
[29:55] Emma Peel awakes in John Steed's flat.
[29:58] Fair is fair.
[29:59] If one character wakes up after being knocked out in one flat, it must happen the other way.
[30:03] That's called, what, like symmetry.
[30:07] You know, that's narrative symmetry.
[30:08] And he's like, here are the boots I ordered for you from my tailors.
[30:12] And he flirt banters with her as he takes her boots off and puts the boots back on.
[30:16] Something that in another movie might be sexy.
[30:19] Yeah.
[30:20] Yeah, I agree.
[30:21] But here he just seems like a boot salesman.
[30:25] Which, I don't want to shame anybody.
[30:27] Maybe you think that's sexy.
[30:28] That's okay.
[30:29] Yeah, yeah.
Stuart Wellington
[30:29] I love married with children.
[30:31] That's what he does, right?
Elliott Kalan
[30:31] Yeah.
[30:32] Yeah, for anyone with a married with children fetish.
[30:34] Yeah.
[30:35] Wait, wait, wait.
Stuart Wellington
[30:37] I remember when I was, I went to school in Germany in like 2000, 2001.
[30:42] And for some reason, like married with children merch was so fucking popular.
[30:47] Like watching German dudes walk around wearing Polk High football jerseys.
[30:52] It was so funny to me.
[30:54] Because it feels like something that you would have no, I don't know, it feels like something
[30:57] you wouldn't have context with if you're in, like a German person.
Elliott Kalan
[31:01] Yeah, they would be like, they'd be like, why is he not trying hard at his job?
[31:05] I don't understand.
[31:07] He seems to not understand that if he is a shoe salesman, that is the role he has been
[31:12] fitted for by the state.
Dan McCoy
[31:13] So you posit that they are studying it to try and figure out what is wrong with this man
[31:19] and how they can avoid it.
Elliott Kalan
[31:20] It's a brilliant character study of a twisted mind.
[31:24] A man who just refuses to, he refuses to accept what reality is telling him, which is that
[31:31] he should be trying harder to sell shoes.
[31:35] Anyway, married mid-children, is it married mid-kinder?
[31:39] Married mid-kinder.
[31:40] We have no German word for married, so it's called married mid-kinder.
[31:45] The only true marriage is between a human soul and the spirit of destiny.
[31:50] I took two semesters of German in college, I know what it's all about, yeah, sure.
[31:56] So they're about to kiss, but nobody gets to kiss Uma Thurman in this movie right away,
[32:03] because they're about to kiss one father and mother, and some agents burst in and arrest
[32:07] Emma Peel.
[32:08] They've done the thing that they probably should have done earlier on.
[32:11] Meanwhile, storm clouds are gathering over London, and they're not metaphorical storm clouds.
[32:16] They're real storm clouds.
[32:17] To quote William Joel, a storm front is coming.
Dan McCoy
[32:23] That plays better in New York.
Elliott Kalan
[32:25] America's greatest poet.
[32:26] Yeah.
[32:27] I mean, it's either him or, what, uh, Mariah Carey?
[32:35] Sure.
[32:36] So, as storm clouds gather, John Steady goes to the Ministry Archives,
[32:41] which is staffed by an invisible man.
Dan McCoy
[32:45] Now, this is Patrick McNeigh's voice, so that's...
Elliott Kalan
[32:47] Oh, okay, Patrick McNeigh, the original John Steady.
Dan McCoy
[32:50] This is a little cameo.
Elliott Kalan
[32:51] He said, you can have my voice, but I will not show my face in this movie.
Dan McCoy
[32:55] He was very old.
[32:56] I think he was in his 90s, so that also probably...
Stuart Wellington
[32:59] He could have still played the main character.
[33:02] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[33:03] And so, we've got to bring you out of retirement, John Steady.
[33:06] I'm in my 90s.
[33:08] We'll do it anyway.
[33:10] Yeah.
[33:10] I mean, that would explain the sluggishness of the action scenes.
[33:12] That's what I'm saying.
[33:13] They were choreographed for a man in his 90s, yeah.
[33:15] And Steady's like, I found this evil map that the bad guys dropped.
[33:19] Can you tell me about it?
[33:20] And the invisible man's like, yeah, I have all the information that you need.
[33:23] It was on hand in the archives the whole time.
[33:25] I will...
[33:26] And this is one of those things, too, where it's like,
[33:27] if you're gonna...
[33:28] If it's the kind of movie where someone will casually show up as invisible movie,
[33:32] you can't just start doing that two-thirds of the way through.
[33:35] You gotta prepare me for that kind of thing.
[33:37] So, meanwhile, Emma Peel, she's in a padded room talking to Father.
[33:41] She is losing her sanity.
[33:42] She's acting frantic.
[33:43] She's not making any sense.
[33:44] She has stopped making sense, just like that movie told her to.
[33:47] And Father, with evil Emma Peel, they spray knockout gas at good Emma Peel.
[33:52] Oh, no.
[33:53] Why are they doing this?
[33:54] It doesn't help their plan at all.
[33:56] What is this?
[33:57] Speed, too?
[33:59] Why would you bring the woman who can stop you,
[34:02] whose romantic interest is the man who can stop you with you
[34:04] when you're doing your evil thing?
[34:06] Leave her in the padded room in a straitjacket.
[34:08] Anyway, John Steady learns that Augusta Winter used to work for the government.
[34:12] He was kicked out.
[34:13] He's always been close to Father, and she sold him ministry land on an island in London
[34:18] from where he's controlling the weather.
[34:20] This is all information they had the whole time.
[34:23] Yeah.
[34:25] If they had ended the movie with that guy from the beginning being like,
[34:28] well, you passed the test, Agent Steed,
[34:30] I would have been like, yeah, makes sense, sure.
Dan McCoy
[34:32] Is this also sort of around the time that the bad guy just reveals himself
[34:37] by coming in and threatening everyone?
Elliott Kalan
[34:39] Yes.
[34:39] That the Council of Ministers is there in an emergency session.
[34:41] They're addressing the disaster weather that is sweeping the globe,
[34:44] a real problem we are now dealing with,
[34:47] that they are not taking as seriously as the fake weather in the movie.
[34:50] And Augusta Winter enters his Sean Connery.
[34:53] You know he's going to be in a kilt and kind of Scottish garb.
[34:55] Yeah.
[34:55] He announces.
Stuart Wellington
[34:56] Yeah, he's really cheesing it up, right?
[34:59] He is.
[34:59] He's really enjoying himself here.
Elliott Kalan
[35:00] Yeah, he is.
[35:01] He announces he has control of the weather of the world.
[35:03] He plans to destroy London, the city he is currently in, as a start.
[35:08] Then he will hold the world for ransom to his deadly weather.
[35:11] He gives them until midnight.
[35:13] And he is asking for 10% of GNP annually.
[35:17] That's a lot of money.
Dan McCoy
[35:18] This is one of these scenes in a movie like this.
[35:20] I mean, I understand that the thought is, okay, like, no matter what,
[35:24] he's got this weather-controlling device.
[35:26] Like, he's got minions, you know, like, there's...
[35:30] But he's...
[35:31] Not that many.
[35:32] He doesn't even want to open his doors and shit.
Elliott Kalan
[35:34] Yeah.
[35:34] Yeah.
[35:34] He's in this room...
[35:35] Imagine if he had some minions from Despicable Me run around his house,
[35:37] open the doors.
Dan McCoy
[35:38] But they're just saying banana a lot, so they're not...
[35:40] They say banana, yes, Joe.
[35:41] ...really a threat.
[35:42] Like, he walks into this room filled with people,
[35:44] and no one's just like, get him!
[35:47] You know?
[35:48] He's wearing a kilt.
[35:49] Kick him in the nuts!
[35:51] He doesn't even have the protection of pants on his lower legs.
Elliott Kalan
[35:55] Yeah, I just...
[35:55] That's a good point, Dan.
[35:56] But you should remember, this is Sean Connery.
[35:58] People are scared of him.
[35:59] It's true.
[35:59] They saw Zardoz.
[36:01] They know what he's capable of.
[36:03] Yeah.
[36:03] And that, he was wearing even fewer clothes.
[36:06] Less clothes?
[36:07] I don't speak English.
[36:07] I don't know.
[36:08] So, anyway.
[36:10] They're in trouble.
[36:11] What are they gonna do?
[36:13] Meanwhile, where were we?
[36:15] Oh, yes.
[36:16] Mother reveals herself as a secret agent, bad guy to father,
[36:20] points a gun at him in the snow,
[36:21] and evil Emma Peel is carrying good Emma Peel,
[36:24] and then father knocks mother over,
[36:26] and mother just ends up lying in the snow.
[36:29] He's just lying there in the snow.
[36:30] And the one funny moment I found in the movie
[36:32] is eventually John Steed runs up,
[36:34] and he's like, you gotta go save Dr. Peel and stop the bad guys.
[36:37] And he goes to help mother get up,
[36:39] and he goes, don't worry about me, I'll be fine.
[36:40] And he just, okay,
[36:41] and runs off leaving mother lying in the snow.
[36:44] And it would have taken him moments
[36:45] to just set him in his chair, at least.
[36:46] Hell yeah.
Dan McCoy
[36:47] Ten seconds more, and then you put the man back.
Elliott Kalan
[36:50] Yeah.
[36:50] That was the funniest joke in it.
[36:51] So John Steed, he finds the padded room they kept him.
[36:54] He's got a computer pocket watch,
[36:56] much like Penny's computer book from Inspector Gadget,
[36:58] and he's tracking something.
[37:00] We will later find out he secretly put a tracking device
[37:03] in the boots he ordered for Emma Peel.
[37:05] Creepy.
[37:05] Creepy behavior.
[37:07] Secret agent stuff.
[37:08] Emma Peel wakes up.
[37:10] She's always,
[37:10] heroes are always waking up to find themselves in places.
[37:12] I'm like, what, did Raymond Chandler write this?
[37:14] What's going on?
[37:15] And she wakes up.
[37:16] She's in a hot air balloon over London
[37:17] with father and bad Emma Peel.
[37:20] Why'd they bring her?
[37:20] I don't know.
[37:22] And mother points to Steed,
[37:25] and he's like, go to the balloon,
[37:27] go to the balloon, leave me behind.
[37:29] Emma Peel, on her own, disables part of the balloon.
[37:32] It drifts off course.
[37:34] Bad Emma Peel fights good Emma Peel.
[37:36] The balloon, eventually,
[37:37] it crashes through the top of Nelson's column,
[37:39] and then Emma Peel, the good one,
[37:40] falls off of it.
[37:42] Again, the Peels are impervious to falling.
[37:45] Damage.
[37:46] Because she's fine.
[37:47] Nothing bad happens to her.
[37:48] And the balloon crashes into a Wonderland weather sign
[37:50] that was not adequately set up
[37:52] as a thing that was there
[37:53] for them to crash into.
[37:54] It explodes.
[37:56] John Steed, he finds them up here on the ground.
[37:57] She's alive.
[37:58] He was tracking the tag in her boots.
[38:00] They kiss, finally.
[38:01] But John Steed is like,
[38:02] well, that kiss was just to test your identity.
[38:05] I can't admit that I have emotions in any way.
[38:07] And anyway,
[38:09] the mother, now back and on the phone again,
[38:12] assures the Prime Minister his agents are on the weather case.
[38:15] This scene is useless.
[38:16] If you're going to cut anything,
[38:17] cut the scene where Mother is informing
[38:18] the Prime Minister of something we know already.
[38:23] John Steed and Emma Peel,
[38:24] now it's time for them to bring the fight
[38:26] to August and winter.
[38:27] They're in giant inflatable globes
[38:29] that let them walk on water
[38:31] like they're at spring break or something
[38:33] in Piranha 3D.
Stuart Wellington
[38:34] This was in the trailer, right?
[38:35] I feel like this was one of the big images of the trailer.
[38:39] Yeah, it's iconic.
Elliott Kalan
[38:40] Yeah.
[38:41] Yeah.
[38:41] It is.
[38:42] They walk across the river.
[38:44] They go to De Winter's Island weather station.
[38:45] There's another dead Prospero scientist in a bear suit.
[38:48] Who cares?
[38:49] They get into this,
[38:50] they get into a phone booth.
[38:51] Emma Peel knows the secret code to use it
[38:53] to get into the weather lab,
[38:54] a secret code that was set up in a scene
[38:56] that appears in the trailer for the movie
[38:57] but does not appear in the movie.
[38:58] So it just seems like she knows,
[39:00] she just knows a password somehow.
[39:02] There's a lot of going down spiral stairs for a while.
[39:05] Anyway, they split up again.
[39:07] Emma Peel goes to shut down the machine
[39:09] which involves walking on a tightrope
[39:11] to a big globe that she's got to crawl inside of
[39:14] and then pull wires out of.
[39:16] And De Winter,
[39:17] John Steed is going to go fight August De Winter.
[39:22] And they're fighting on like a catwalk of some kind.
[39:24] There's water underneath.
[39:26] When she's going to go shut down the machine,
[39:29] that's when Eddie Izzard shows up.
[39:30] Apparently his character's name is Bailey.
[39:32] This is told to the audience late.
[39:33] It doesn't matter.
[39:34] Who cares?
[39:35] She eventually defeats him.
[39:37] He falls to his death.
[39:38] He doesn't have the Peel sisters
[39:39] falling in vulnerability.
Dan McCoy
[39:42] This is all very edifying too
[39:44] because I watched this movie
[39:46] on the plane coming over here.
[39:47] Your preferred way to watch planes.
[39:49] To watch movies, yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[39:53] Long-time listeners of The Flophouse know
[39:54] Dan's favorite movie theater is in the air.
Dan McCoy
[39:59] Yeah, your emotions are heightened.
[40:01] You know, it works on you.
[40:03] This was the moment at which
[40:04] the couple next to me
[40:06] otherwise seemed very nice.
[40:08] You know, the woman offered me some food
[40:10] she wasn't eating.
[40:11] But they chose this moment.
[40:13] Don't eat that, Dan.
[40:14] They chose this moment
[40:16] to not get a drink from the beverage cart
[40:19] that was coming down their side of the aisle over here,
[40:22] but to order across me
[40:24] two vodkas and apple juices,
[40:28] the drink of toddlers.
[40:32] An alcoholic toddler.
[40:33] Were you like,
Stuart Wellington
[40:34] I want to get in on this shit?
[40:35] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[40:37] I also had a couple sitting next to me
[40:39] and they seemed very unhappy
[40:41] with what I was watching.
[40:43] And it was kind of an older German couple
[40:45] and now I realize
[40:46] they just really wanted to ask me
[40:47] about Married with Children.
[40:48] I know.
Stuart Wellington
[40:49] They're like,
[40:50] finally, we're sitting next to an American.
[40:52] We can ask him about Al Bundy.
Elliott Kalan
[40:53] I don't have to wait
[40:54] until he's finished with his film
[40:56] before we can ask him.
[40:58] My German accent is turning
[40:59] more and more Scandinavian
[41:00] as it goes on.
[41:02] So, Eddie Izzard falls to his death.
[41:04] The London blizzard's getting worse.
[41:06] Steed finds De Winter's control area.
[41:08] There's sword fighting.
[41:09] There's water.
[41:09] There's lightning.
[41:10] Uh-oh.
[41:10] Lightning hits Big Bend Tower.
[41:12] Blows it up.
[41:13] Oh, no.
[41:14] It's going to be so expensive to fix that.
[41:16] And Peele's trying to deactivate the machine.
[41:18] August De Winter overpowers John Steed very easily.
[41:22] Launches him over a railing.
[41:23] And then John Steed just climbs up
[41:25] the other side of the railing.
[41:26] Is he Bugs Bunny?
[41:27] Like, what happened?
[41:28] I don't know how he did it.
[41:30] Ultimately, John Steed stabs August De Winter
[41:33] with his sword cane.
[41:34] That acts as a lightning rod.
[41:36] Lightning then hits the sword
[41:37] and pulls August De Winter up into the sky.
[41:40] Like a lasso?
[41:42] Like a lightning lasso?
[41:43] Is he Pecos Bill?
[41:44] What's going on?
Stuart Wellington
[41:45] He must, that must, like,
[41:47] if you love the weather,
[41:48] getting killed by lightning
[41:49] has got to be your, like,
[41:50] number one way to go.
[41:51] Oh, for sure.
Dan McCoy
[41:51] I assume it's Thor from the future
[41:54] being like,
[41:55] Avengers belongs to us.
Elliott Kalan
[41:58] It's very funny to me
[41:59] that a movie that's so based
[42:01] around the idea of weather
[42:02] didn't bother to research
[42:03] whether lightning can pull you places.
[42:07] It's not really,
[42:07] it's not like an electric rope anyway.
Dan McCoy
[42:09] That's why Ben Franklin
[42:10] did all that stuff with the kite.
[42:12] He's like, it'll pull me up.
[42:14] I'll be the kite then.
[42:15] Finally, my dream
Elliott Kalan
[42:19] of being a kite.
[42:22] My dream?
[42:23] Because he was auditioning
[42:23] for the role of the kite
[42:24] on Pee-wee's Playhouse.
[42:26] I need to get experience
[42:27] if I'm going to win this part.
Dan McCoy
[42:29] This is all important
[42:30] American history.
[42:31] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[42:33] Yeah, we all learned this in school.
[42:36] Everyone knows the story
[42:37] of Ben Franklin
[42:38] and the kite
[42:39] and the Pee-wee's Playhouse
[42:39] audition that failed.
[42:42] Anyway,
[42:43] that was the name of it.
[42:44] That's a Metallica song,
[42:45] isn't it?
[42:45] The Pee-wee's Playhouse
[42:46] audition that failed?
[42:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[42:47] Of course.
[42:48] Yeah.
[42:48] So,
[42:49] a tornado's smashing up London
[42:51] but Emma Peel
[42:52] pulls the right wire.
[42:53] All the weather stuff
[42:54] shuts off immediately.
[42:55] Then she dives
[42:56] into the water
[42:56] so that she can
[42:57] climb back up again
[42:58] out of the water
[42:59] and be reunited
[43:00] with John Steed.
[43:01] But the auto-destruct
[43:02] goes off
[43:03] and it just blows up.
[43:05] It's fine.
[43:06] They don't have to do anything.
[43:06] They don't have to escape
[43:07] or anything.
[43:08] It's just,
[43:08] it's fine.
Stuart Wellington
[43:08] So,
[43:09] wait a minute.
[43:09] So,
[43:10] is the,
[43:10] like,
[43:10] the standard state
[43:12] of all weather
[43:12] no weather?
[43:14] Like,
[43:14] that's what I'm trying,
[43:15] like,
[43:15] wouldn't it just keep
[43:16] doing what it's doing
Elliott Kalan
[43:17] for a little while?
[43:18] Or?
[43:19] I don't know a lot
[43:20] about mad scientist
[43:21] weather science.
[43:22] Okay.
[43:23] But in real life,
[43:24] yeah,
[43:24] weather doesn't just
[43:25] stop when you flip the switch.
[43:27] Yeah.
[43:27] You know,
[43:27] it would keep doing stuff.
[43:29] You know,
[43:29] yeah.
Dan McCoy
[43:29] Yeah,
[43:30] I think it would more
[43:30] gradually return to stasis
[43:32] probably,
[43:33] not right away.
[43:34] fancy words here.
[43:35] I can use words.
Elliott Kalan
[43:38] Can you go to my house
[43:39] and explain to my kids
[43:40] the concept of entropy?
[43:41] Because I could not
[43:41] get it across to them.
Stuart Wellington
[43:44] The concept of entropy?
[43:46] Yeah.
[43:46] Yeah,
[43:46] just show,
[43:47] like,
[43:47] a picture of yourself
[43:48] from,
[43:48] like,
[43:48] ten years ago
[43:49] and then be like,
[43:50] same dude.
Elliott Kalan
[43:51] No,
[43:52] because when I,
[43:52] I don't want to give entropy
[43:53] the credit for that.
[43:54] I want to,
[43:55] I point to that picture
[43:55] and I go,
[43:56] you did this to me,
[43:57] children.
Dan McCoy
[43:58] Elliot,
[43:58] I have to admit,
[43:59] now,
[44:00] I'm,
[44:00] it's very echoey up on stage.
[44:02] I have to assume
[44:03] it's slightly better out there
[44:04] because people are laughing,
[44:06] but I,
[44:06] I heard,
[44:07] when you said entropy,
[44:08] I heard,
[44:08] can you explain the concept
[44:09] of denture baby?
Elliott Kalan
[44:11] Yeah,
[44:12] denture baby.
[44:13] so,
[44:13] so,
[44:13] so,
Elliott Kalan
[44:13] so,
[44:14] so,
[44:14] so,
[44:14] so,
Elliott Kalan
[44:14] when babies are born
[44:14] they don't have teeth,
[44:15] right?
[44:15] Well,
[44:16] maybe they can have some
[44:18] with denture babies.
[44:19] Join me,
[44:20] won't you,
[44:20] as we go through
[44:21] the wonderful world
[44:22] of teeth for babies.
Stuart Wellington
[44:23] Yeah,
[44:23] the concept of teething
[44:24] is when babies are crying
[44:25] because they want their dentures.
Elliott Kalan
[44:28] They're like,
[44:29] they have tooth jealousy.
[44:30] Yeah,
[44:31] that's exactly what it is.
[44:32] Freud talks about tooth envy
[44:33] in babies.
[44:34] Yeah.
Dan McCoy
[44:35] Oh,
[44:36] I want to eat steak
[44:37] and corn on the cob.
Elliott Kalan
[44:39] Don't worry,
[44:40] baby,
[44:40] you will.
[44:41] Be patient,
[44:41] be patient.
[44:42] No,
[44:43] don't grow up too fast,
[44:44] baby.
[44:45] I want to grow up now.
[44:46] Give me,
[44:46] give me my dentures.
[44:47] How do you have a tattoo already,
[44:49] baby?
[44:49] What's going on?
[44:51] Anyway,
[44:51] mother calls the prime minister.
[44:52] The weather is,
[44:53] is done.
[44:54] But Emma Peel
[44:55] and John Steed
[44:55] have not returned.
[44:57] The next day,
[44:59] August Winter's control pod
[45:00] surfaces in the Thames.
[45:02] Steed and Peel are fine.
[45:03] Why did they do that?
[45:04] Yeah,
[45:04] why do they have a scene
Stuart Wellington
[45:05] where they're like,
[45:05] they've never been heard from again.
[45:07] And then like two seconds later,
[45:08] they're like,
[45:08] here they are.
[45:09] Yeah,
[45:09] let's celebrate.
Elliott Kalan
[45:11] It feels,
[45:11] this is so much,
[45:12] we've said this before
[45:13] about other movies,
[45:13] it feels like someone
[45:14] heard how a movie
[45:15] is supposed to go
[45:16] and then made the movie
[45:17] and they're like,
[45:18] yeah,
[45:18] yeah,
[45:18] and then the hero,
[45:19] like everyone's supposed
[45:20] to think they're dead
[45:21] and then they come back
[45:21] and they're not dead.
[45:22] They've,
[45:22] they've,
[45:23] they've arrived again,
[45:23] but it's,
[45:24] they just do it not good,
[45:26] you know?
Stuart Wellington
[45:26] Yeah,
[45:26] there's like,
[45:27] it's like in that,
[45:28] what,
[45:28] the Fifty Shades of Grey movie
[45:29] where they're like,
[45:29] oh,
[45:30] Christian Grey's plane went down
[45:31] and then a second later
[45:32] he walks in the door
[45:33] and they're like,
[45:33] I guess you're cool,
[45:34] okay.
Elliott Kalan
[45:35] It's like my new kink
[45:36] is making everyone think
[45:37] I died in a helicopter crash.
[45:38] Yeah.
[45:39] It's a good one.
Dan McCoy
[45:40] It puts me in mind
[45:41] of the next movie
[45:42] we're going to talk about,
[45:42] Spice World,
[45:43] which very charmingly
[45:44] keeps introducing a problem
[45:46] and then immediately
[45:47] resolving it.
Elliott Kalan
[45:48] That's true,
[45:49] yeah,
[45:49] but they do that on purpose.
[45:51] We're now at the final,
[45:52] the final scene,
[45:53] perhaps,
[45:53] maybe one of the most
[45:55] unnecessary scenes
[45:55] in the movie,
[45:56] which is just
[45:57] Emma Peel and John Steed
[45:58] and Mother
[45:58] having champagne together.
[46:00] That's it.
[46:01] And there's no like,
[46:02] I think you two
[46:03] are going to work together
[46:04] real well from nice on,
[46:05] from now on.
[46:06] They're just like,
[46:07] yeah,
[46:07] well,
[46:07] we went through that,
[46:08] didn't we?
[46:09] We sure did.
[46:11] Cheers.
[46:11] And then that's
[46:11] the end of the movie.
[46:12] It is a movie that
[46:14] at times I was like,
[46:15] did they think
[46:15] they were making
[46:16] an episode of a television show?
[46:18] Because that's what
[46:18] it feels like.
[46:19] It feels like it doesn't,
[46:20] they're like,
[46:21] join us next week
[46:21] for the next movie,
[46:22] you know.
Stuart Wellington
[46:23] Never.
[46:24] And this was a launching pad
[46:27] for Sir Sean Connery,
[46:28] right?
[46:29] He went on to make
[46:30] a lot of good movies
[46:30] after this.
Elliott Kalan
[46:31] Yeah,
[46:31] this was Sean Connery's
[46:33] breakthrough role,
[46:34] yeah.
[46:35] After slaving away
[46:36] in the obscurity
[46:37] of the James Bond series
[46:38] and the Untouchables.
[46:41] Yeah.
[46:42] What's weird is that
[46:43] this was not the movie
[46:44] that drove him to retirement.
[46:45] League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
[46:46] was the movie there
[46:47] where he said,
[46:47] I'm not doing this again,
[46:49] ever.
Dan McCoy
[46:50] Until Sir Billy,
[46:51] I'm going to come back
[46:52] to make
[46:53] Sir Billy.
[47:01] Hello.
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Elliott Kalan
[47:14] Hooray!
Dan McCoy
[47:15] Yeah.
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Elliott Kalan
[47:30] Definitely getting
[47:31] plenty of return
[47:32] on my investment.
[47:33] I have not worked
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[47:47] teachers and faculty.
[47:50] This is
[47:50] Janet Varney.
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[47:55] The JV Club
[47:56] with Janet Varney,
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[48:00] Learning about the teenage years
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[50:49] by British Fantasy
[50:51] Award finalist
[50:52] Elijah
[50:53] Kintz-Spector.
[50:55] It is a queer
[50:56] fantasy novel
[50:57] about
[50:57] con artistry,
[50:59] dark magic,
[51:00] and relying
[51:01] on mutual aid
[51:02] when systems
[51:03] fail us.
[51:04] It is also a book
[51:05] that is partially,
[51:06] that was partially
[51:07] written at
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[51:08] Henterlands.
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[51:20] Kalina the Cutthroat,
[51:22] is out November 26.
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[51:24] how to spell
[51:26] Kalina
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[51:59] of the Tom.
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[52:01] his power grows
[52:02] and I'm desperate.
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[52:21] from Walt,
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[52:23] of negging there.
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[53:48] Hey,
[53:49] we should do
[53:49] our final judgments
[53:50] whether this is
[53:51] a good bad movie,
[53:52] a bad bad movie,
[53:52] or a movie we kind of like.
[53:54] I will say
[53:55] that this
[53:56] is a bad bad movie.
Stuart Wellington
[53:58] Be careful,
[53:58] you might lose
[53:59] the British audience.
Elliott Kalan
[54:02] Dan,
[54:02] Dan,
[54:03] Dan,
[54:04] Ralphine's parents
[54:04] are in the audience tonight.
Dan McCoy
[54:06] I believe
[54:07] it can only
[54:08] endear us
[54:09] to this audience
[54:09] to say that
[54:10] the American version
[54:12] of a beloved British thing
[54:13] is not very good.
[54:15] And in this case,
[54:16] it is not very good.
[54:17] It is inexplicable,
[54:20] disjointed,
[54:21] not thrilling.
[54:22] Yeah.
Stuart Wellington
[54:23] Yeah,
[54:24] I would agree
[54:24] that it's bad bad,
[54:25] although
[54:26] when I first
[54:27] flew over here,
[54:28] I was having some trouble
[54:29] with jet lag
[54:31] and it helped me
[54:31] fall asleep.
[54:34] I will say
Elliott Kalan
[54:35] it's a bad bad movie
[54:37] with the small caveat,
[54:39] maybe it was because
[54:40] I was also watching
[54:41] it on a plane
[54:42] and the oxygen
[54:43] was so low
[54:44] in my brain.
[54:45] But as it went on,
[54:46] it still wasn't good,
[54:47] but there were times
[54:48] where I was like,
[54:48] you know what,
[54:49] movie,
[54:50] I'm kind of charmed
[54:51] by how little
[54:51] you're trying.
[54:53] It betrays
[54:54] a confidence
[54:55] in what they're doing
[54:56] that it shouldn't have,
[54:58] but it's like
[54:59] the thing where
[55:00] you see someone
[55:00] who is bad
[55:01] at a thing
[55:01] doing it
[55:02] with so much
[55:03] assumption
[55:04] that they can do it
[55:05] that by the end
[55:06] you're like,
[55:06] well,
[55:06] I'm entertained
[55:07] by that aspect of it.
[55:08] But it's like
[55:09] when you see a baby
[55:10] try to chew a corn
[55:11] on the cob
[55:12] or something like that.
[55:13] It's like,
[55:13] baby,
[55:14] you're not equipped
[55:14] for this,
[55:15] but he thinks he is.
[55:16] It's cute.
[55:16] It's adorable.
Stuart Wellington
[55:17] So it sounds like
[55:17] it almost reaches
[55:18] good-bad quality
Elliott Kalan
[55:20] for you.
[55:20] Almost.
[55:21] I think the second half
[55:24] of the movie
[55:25] is good-bad to me
[55:26] because it's so disjointed
[55:27] and it's so kooky crazy,
[55:29] but the first half
[55:30] of the movie
[55:30] is very boring.
[55:31] So skip to the middle.
[55:33] Who cares?
[55:34] Or watch something else.
[55:37] No one's making you
[55:38] watch the Avengers.
Dan McCoy
[55:39] So looking at the time,
[55:41] let's take
[55:43] four or five questions tops.
[55:47] We're going to answer them quick.
Elliott Kalan
[55:48] Okay, it's question time,
[55:49] everybody.
[55:49] We're going to turn the room over
Dan McCoy
[55:50] for the next show.
[55:51] Thank you for coming
[55:52] to this one.
[55:53] Thanks so much.
Elliott Kalan
[55:54] We really appreciate it.
[55:55] I'm going to say my thing
[55:56] that I always say at the top.
[55:57] We want great questions
[55:58] from everybody.
[55:59] So before you ask your question,
[56:00] think to yourself,
[56:02] would anyone else in this room
[56:03] be interested in this question?
[56:05] And also,
[56:06] everyone,
[56:07] a lot of times
[56:07] when we do these shows,
[56:08] people at the top,
[56:09] they like to tell us
[56:09] how great we are.
[56:10] We're not that great,
[56:11] but also,
[56:12] we really appreciate
[56:13] that you're here.
[56:13] So we know you love us.
[56:14] And this is perfect.
Dan McCoy
[56:15] Five people have queued up.
[56:16] No more.
[56:17] Queued up?
Elliott Kalan
[56:18] Oh,
[56:19] people have queued up,
[56:20] Daniel.
[56:21] Oh,
[56:21] well.
[56:22] Someone's been in England
[56:23] for three days.
[56:25] Queued up.
[56:26] Wow.
Dan McCoy
[56:28] I got booed so heartily
[56:31] at last night's
[56:32] Spice World screening
[56:33] that I need to pander now.
Stuart Wellington
[56:35] This was,
[56:35] I'm sorry,
[56:36] we'll get the question.
[56:36] How late were you up
[56:37] thinking about getting booed
[56:38] last night?
Dan McCoy
[56:40] I had the gall
[56:42] to suggest that
[56:44] Dan,
[56:44] don't say anything.
[56:45] They're going to boo you again.
[56:46] While I love the Spice Girls,
[56:48] they were engineered.
[56:50] Boo.
[56:50] Boo.
[56:50] Which is simply a fact.
[56:53] Boo.
[56:53] Boo.
[56:54] Boo.
[56:54] Boo.
Dan McCoy
[56:54] Boo.
[56:54] Boo.
[56:55] They answered an advertisement,
[56:57] people.
[56:57] Boo.
Elliott Kalan
[56:58] I want Dan to start going,
[56:59] you're sheep,
[57:00] all of you.
Dan McCoy
[57:01] I also love the monkeys
[57:03] who answered an advertisement.
[57:04] It's fine.
[57:05] Anyway.
Elliott Kalan
[57:06] Next thing you're going to tell me,
[57:07] the Muppets didn't really
[57:08] get together on their own.
[57:10] Yes,
[57:10] please.
[57:10] Question.
[57:11] Thank you.
[57:11] Hi.
[57:12] Elizabeth,
[57:13] last name withheld.
[57:14] I was just wondering if you guys
[57:16] already have any ideas
[57:17] for other bad British movies
[57:19] that you might watch next time
[57:20] that you do a show here.
[57:21] Oh,
[57:22] other bad British movies.
[57:22] We wanted to suggest
[57:23] The Beast Must Die,
[57:24] but I would like to hear
[57:25] if you guys already have any ideas.
Dan McCoy
[57:27] See,
[57:29] the thing that I sort of suggested
[57:32] in my presentation
[57:33] is like,
[57:34] only the best culture
[57:37] from other countries
[57:38] sort of like,
[57:38] makes it to our shores,
[57:39] so it's hard to know.
[57:40] The opposite of beer,
Elliott Kalan
[57:41] where the best beer
[57:42] tends to be kept from America,
[57:43] from other countries.
Dan McCoy
[57:45] I am told that there's a movie
[57:46] about potato men
[57:47] that is not good,
[57:48] but I don't know much about it.
Elliott Kalan
[57:51] Like Mr. Potato Head?
Dan McCoy
[57:53] Is Sex Lives of Potato Men,
[57:55] is this a thing?
[57:55] Am I getting this correct?
[57:57] Okay.
[57:59] What do you,
[58:00] do you have anything?
Elliott Kalan
[58:02] I mean,
[58:03] I'd have to do some more research
[58:04] is the thing,
[58:04] because I feel like
[58:05] there's a period when,
[58:07] I guess post-Full Monty,
[58:09] when I said,
[58:10] England,
[58:11] I'm going to take a break
[58:12] from your movies for a while.
[58:14] Because they were all
[58:14] kind of the same movie.
[58:15] It was all like,
[58:16] check out these blue-collar guys
[58:18] who are going to do something,
[58:20] or check out these old men
[58:22] who are going to do something,
[58:23] or check out these old ladies
[58:25] who are going to do something.
[58:27] And I'm like,
[58:27] Often nude.
[58:28] Yeah.
[58:29] And I'm like,
[58:30] England,
[58:31] you're supposed to be making
[58:31] horror movies
[58:32] that are more creepy than scary.
[58:33] Come on,
[58:34] what are you doing?
Stuart Wellington
[58:35] I don't know,
[58:36] like there was a period of time
[58:37] where I was working
[58:38] for an English company,
[58:39] and my boss's English,
[58:40] and he kept bringing me DVDs
[58:42] of Danny Dyer movies,
[58:43] and those were
[58:44] all pretty bad.
[58:47] Oh,
[58:47] you hit a nerve.
[58:48] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[58:49] Thank you.
[58:50] Thanks very much.
S5
[58:52] Hi,
[58:53] Andrew,
[58:53] last name withheld.
[58:55] Fun fact,
[58:56] Emma Peel's name
[58:57] is apparently
[58:58] a pun,
[58:59] because she was the
[59:00] appeal to men,
[59:01] the sex appeal,
[59:02] the M appeal.
[59:02] What are your favorite
[59:05] absurdly contrived names
[59:06] from movies?
Elliott Kalan
[59:10] Absurd.
[59:11] I mean,
[59:11] this is a TV show.
[59:12] There's a TV show
[59:12] on America right now
[59:13] called Tracker,
[59:14] and the main character,
[59:15] his name should be Tracker,
[59:18] but it's not.
[59:18] His first name is Coulter,
[59:20] which I think is a very funny
[59:21] first name for a TV character
[59:23] to have,
[59:23] because it's like,
[59:24] even Colton would be
[59:25] kind of like a too cool name
[59:26] for this character,
[59:27] but Coulter is like,
[59:28] they put another twist on it,
[59:29] but a contrived name
[59:30] for a movie.
[59:31] Okay,
[59:31] hold on.
Dan McCoy
[59:34] While you think,
[59:36] Tracker was very heavily
[59:38] promoted during the Super Bowl,
[59:41] a thing that I don't care about,
[59:43] but as an American,
[59:44] I'm contractually obligated
[59:45] to still watch,
[59:47] and I was just,
[59:48] I don't know,
[59:49] I found myself,
[59:50] my mind was taken
[59:51] by Tracker.
[59:52] Like,
Dan McCoy
[59:52] don't you understand?
[59:54] He tracks people.
Elliott Kalan
[59:55] He's really good
[59:55] at tracking things.
[59:57] No one's better at tracking.
Dan McCoy
[59:58] He can't find them.
[1:00:00] He just tracks them
[1:00:00] to a certain place
Elliott Kalan
[1:00:03] and then stops.
[1:00:03] He always has to be
[1:00:04] at least 100 feet behind them.
[1:00:05] Yeah.
Stuart Wellington
[1:00:07] I mean,
[1:00:08] what is it?
[1:00:08] Elan Sleazebagano
[1:00:10] from the Star Wars Episode 2
[1:00:12] who sells death sticks?
Elliott Kalan
[1:00:14] What's Robert De Niro's name
[1:00:15] in,
[1:00:16] what is it,
[1:00:17] Devil Heart,
[1:00:17] Angel Heart?
[1:00:18] Oh, yeah.
[1:00:19] He's like,
[1:00:20] Lewis Cipher?
[1:00:21] Yeah,
[1:00:21] Lewis Cipher.
[1:00:22] That's the best one,
[1:00:23] I think.
[1:00:24] I'm going to throw my support
[1:00:26] behind Lewis Cipher.
[1:00:27] Because he's the devil.
[1:00:27] They might have just
[1:00:27] named him
[1:00:28] S-Stand
[1:00:29] or something like that.
Dan McCoy
[1:00:31] Yeah.
[1:00:32] My name is D-Evil.
[1:00:34] Thank you.
Elliott Kalan
[1:00:37] My name is
[1:00:38] B for Bob,
[1:00:39] L-Zabub.
[1:00:41] B-L-Zabub.
[1:00:42] Bob Lawrence-Zabub.
[1:00:44] Yeah.
S5
[1:00:45] Hey,
[1:00:46] Tobias,
[1:00:46] last name we've held.
[1:00:48] So we've got
[1:00:49] a classic
[1:00:50] weather machine
[1:00:51] super villain
[1:00:52] weapon
[1:00:53] being used
[1:00:53] in this movie.
[1:00:54] what would you say
[1:00:55] are your preferred
[1:00:56] super villain
[1:00:57] world destroying
[1:00:59] device?
[1:01:01] You know,
[1:01:02] if you were going to
[1:01:03] try and destroy the world,
[1:01:04] because, you know,
[1:01:04] you've got to put that on me.
[1:01:06] We're all doing it together.
Elliott Kalan
[1:01:06] We're all doing it together
[1:01:07] as a species.
[1:01:08] It's the most successful project
[1:01:09] humanity's ever embarked on.
[1:01:12] Like,
[1:01:12] that wall in China
[1:01:13] is pretty good,
[1:01:13] but I think
[1:01:14] if we as a species
[1:01:15] got together,
[1:01:16] we could destroy the whole planet.
Dan McCoy
[1:01:17] A really good machine for it.
[1:01:19] weather is pretty classic.
[1:01:21] Like,
[1:01:21] a space laser
[1:01:22] is kind of boring,
[1:01:23] but, you know,
[1:01:24] like,
[1:01:25] it's got a certain
[1:01:26] brute force charm.
[1:01:27] You can't argue
Elliott Kalan
[1:01:27] for efficient,
[1:01:28] it's the most efficient
[1:01:29] way to do it.
[1:01:30] Have you seen Star Wars?
[1:01:30] They blow up that planet
[1:01:31] fast.
Dan McCoy
[1:01:33] Even if it's just
[1:01:33] a big, like,
[1:01:34] giant magnifying glass
[1:01:36] that you put
[1:01:37] in front of the sun.
[1:01:39] Yeah, yeah,
Stuart Wellington
[1:01:39] that'd do it,
[1:01:40] I think, yeah.
[1:01:40] What about one of those
[1:01:41] things that just
[1:01:41] summons Godzillas?
[1:01:43] Like,
[1:01:43] something that summons
[1:01:44] a bunch of Godzillas?
[1:01:45] Yeah, yeah,
[1:01:45] the Godzilla summoner?
[1:01:46] Yeah.
Elliott Kalan
[1:01:48] I think there's a,
[1:01:50] uh,
[1:01:51] yeah,
[1:01:51] now you've got me
[1:01:52] thinking about that.
[1:01:52] Because if I'm going to make
Stuart Wellington
[1:01:52] something that destroys
[1:01:53] the world,
[1:01:54] I want it also
[1:01:55] to very easily
[1:01:56] kill me in the process.
[1:01:57] So if the good guys
[1:01:58] stop me,
[1:01:59] I'm like,
[1:01:59] oh,
[1:02:00] why did I summon
[1:02:00] all these Godzillas?
Dan McCoy
[1:02:01] Yeah,
[1:02:02] I mean,
[1:02:02] you're making me
[1:02:03] think of Geostorm,
[1:02:05] where there's the plot
[1:02:05] to kill the president,
[1:02:06] which is to create
[1:02:07] a Geostorm,
[1:02:08] and it's like,
[1:02:09] that's going to kill
[1:02:10] a lot of other people
[1:02:11] and maybe not the president?
Elliott Kalan
[1:02:13] He's like,
[1:02:13] me and the Geostorm,
[1:02:14] we have an agreement.
[1:02:15] It's going to get
[1:02:15] everyone around me,
[1:02:16] but not me.
Dan McCoy
[1:02:17] You're holding up
[1:02:18] a headshot to the Geostorm,
[1:02:20] like,
[1:02:20] this is him,
[1:02:21] this guy.
Elliott Kalan
[1:02:22] I think I'm going to say,
[1:02:23] robot duplicate
[1:02:24] of the president,
[1:02:25] gets in there,
[1:02:26] breaks stuff,
[1:02:26] you know,
[1:02:27] and everyone's like,
[1:02:28] why is the president
[1:02:29] doing this?
[1:02:29] And I know it's
[1:02:30] because he's a robot,
[1:02:31] and the robot knows
[1:02:32] it's because he's a robot,
[1:02:33] and the real president
[1:02:33] knows he's been
[1:02:34] replaced by a robot.
[1:02:35] Nobody else knows
[1:02:36] until it's too late.
[1:02:38] Classic.
[1:02:39] Stealthy.
[1:02:40] Yeah,
[1:02:40] very stealthy.
[1:02:42] The perfect crime.
[1:02:44] There's no law against it.
[1:02:46] If they,
[1:02:46] they bring,
[1:02:46] they arrest me,
[1:02:47] I'm like,
[1:02:47] show me in the law book
[1:02:48] where it says
[1:02:48] you can't replace
[1:02:49] the president
[1:02:49] with a robot.
[1:02:50] Well,
[1:02:51] we never had to write one.
[1:02:52] He's right.
[1:02:53] thought it was implied.
[1:02:55] And I guess that dog
[1:02:56] can play basketball.
S6
[1:02:59] Yes.
[1:03:00] Sean,
[1:03:00] last name withheld.
[1:03:02] I watched this film
[1:03:03] a few days ago,
[1:03:04] and it was
[1:03:04] a painful experience.
[1:03:07] So,
[1:03:08] I just want to talk
[1:03:09] about a better aspect
[1:03:10] of British culture,
[1:03:11] and ask Stu,
[1:03:12] when are we going to get
[1:03:13] some analysis
[1:03:14] on slang,
[1:03:15] or at the very least,
[1:03:17] when two worlds collide?
[1:03:19] Oh,
[1:03:19] I've forgotten the name now.
Stuart Wellington
[1:03:20] You're asking about
[1:03:21] slan?
[1:03:23] Slang.
[1:03:24] Slang?
S6
[1:03:25] The album
[1:03:26] after Adrenaline.
[1:03:27] Oh,
[1:03:28] shit,
[1:03:28] okay.
[1:03:29] And for everyone else,
[1:03:30] what's your favourite
[1:03:31] Def Leppard song?
Stuart Wellington
[1:03:32] So,
[1:03:32] sometimes when a band
[1:03:33] like Def Leppard
[1:03:34] has made hit
[1:03:36] after hit
[1:03:36] after hit,
[1:03:37] sometimes you've got
[1:03:39] to get a bad one
[1:03:40] out of you,
[1:03:41] you know,
[1:03:41] and that one's slang,
[1:03:43] which is how
[1:03:44] we pronounce it.
[1:03:47] And yeah,
[1:03:47] it's kind of a bummer,
[1:03:49] but I feel like
[1:03:50] they turned it around
[1:03:51] a little bit
[1:03:52] in euphoria,
[1:03:53] you know,
[1:03:53] like not the show euphoria,
[1:03:55] the album
[1:03:55] by Def Leppard.
[1:03:57] But yeah,
[1:03:58] I mean,
[1:03:58] it's a bummer
[1:04:00] and that's okay.
[1:04:01] I feel like it makes
[1:04:02] the other ones
[1:04:03] feel better
[1:04:04] by comparison.
[1:04:07] I don't know,
[1:04:08] you have close standards
[1:04:08] for leopards
Elliott Kalan
[1:04:09] that can't even hear.
[1:04:10] It's making music.
[1:04:11] Yeah,
[1:04:12] it's amazing.
[1:04:12] Yeah,
[1:04:13] how is it?
[1:04:13] It's the Beethoven
[1:04:14] of leopards.
[1:04:15] Yeah.
S6
[1:04:17] Thank you.
[1:04:18] I think it's about
[1:04:19] three or four years
[1:04:19] I've been waiting
[1:04:20] for that closure.
[1:04:24] All right,
[1:04:24] this is the last question.
Stuart Wellington
[1:04:25] this close to buying
[1:04:26] a Def Leppard sweatshirt
[1:04:28] at Primark today.
S7
[1:04:31] So I'm Mark,
[1:04:32] last name withheld.
[1:04:34] I saw this film at 17
[1:04:35] when it came out
[1:04:36] in the cinema.
[1:04:36] I paid for this.
[1:04:39] And then,
[1:04:39] I mean,
[1:04:39] you really paid
[1:04:40] when you watched it,
[1:04:41] and I think as a kid,
[1:04:42] I loved movies
[1:04:43] and this was the first film
[1:04:44] I saw just like you
[1:04:45] with Christmas Vacation.
[1:04:46] I came out of it
[1:04:47] and was like,
[1:04:48] holy shit,
[1:04:48] films can be bad.
[1:04:50] Like,
[1:04:50] I had the same experience.
[1:04:51] So I think my question is,
[1:04:53] what was something
[1:04:54] you saw in a film,
[1:04:55] could be recent,
[1:04:55] could be much further back,
[1:04:57] but that you saw
[1:04:58] and was like,
[1:04:58] this broke something
[1:05:00] I always believed
[1:05:01] about films.
[1:05:02] It could be good or bad.
Elliott Kalan
[1:05:04] Ooh.
[1:05:04] That's a very good question
[1:05:05] that I wish I had time
[1:05:06] to think about.
[1:05:07] Yeah.
Dan McCoy
[1:05:07] But we're under the gun here.
[1:05:08] Whenever we get
[1:05:09] a good question,
[1:05:10] I'm like,
[1:05:10] oh no,
[1:05:11] no,
[1:05:11] no,
[1:05:11] no,
[1:05:11] no,
[1:05:11] no.
Elliott Kalan
[1:05:14] I mean,
[1:05:15] the,
[1:05:16] I don't know,
[1:05:17] this is not something
[1:05:18] that I saw,
[1:05:18] well,
[1:05:19] it's something I've seen recently,
[1:05:19] but it's a movie
[1:05:20] that I saw a long time ago also.
[1:05:21] Recently,
[1:05:22] my wife and I went to go see
[1:05:23] a screening of the movie
[1:05:24] The Fall,
[1:05:24] directed by Tarsem Singh,
[1:05:26] which we saw
[1:05:26] when we were first dating
[1:05:27] when it came out
[1:05:28] in theaters the first time,
[1:05:29] and it's an amazing movie,
[1:05:30] and that's one of those movies
[1:05:31] where like,
[1:05:32] it's a movie that is so
[1:05:33] kind of,
[1:05:35] so pretentiously
[1:05:37] up its own butt
[1:05:38] at times,
[1:05:39] but it's so beautiful,
[1:05:40] and there's things
[1:05:41] in that movie
[1:05:41] where I'm like,
[1:05:42] oh,
[1:05:42] I didn't know you could
[1:05:42] make a movie like this.
[1:05:43] This movie that is like,
[1:05:44] the story is,
[1:05:46] kind of,
[1:05:47] feels like it's being made up
[1:05:48] as it goes along
[1:05:49] to a certain extent,
[1:05:50] and there's a child performer
[1:05:51] in it who's clearly
[1:05:52] an amateur,
[1:05:53] but she's so charismatic,
[1:05:54] and she's holding,
[1:05:56] holding her own with Lee Pace,
[1:05:58] so yeah,
[1:05:59] Lee Pace,
[1:05:59] the child performer,
[1:06:00] and then you're watching
[1:06:02] images in it
[1:06:02] where you're like,
[1:06:03] how did they make that image?
[1:06:04] Like,
[1:06:04] how did they do that?
[1:06:05] And so that's one
[1:06:06] where I'm like,
[1:06:07] oh,
[1:06:07] there's stuff they're doing
[1:06:08] in this movie
[1:06:09] that I've never seen before,
[1:06:10] and I really love it,
[1:06:12] but it's one of those movies
[1:06:12] where you show it to someone
[1:06:13] and half the time
[1:06:13] they're like,
[1:06:14] what am I watching?
[1:06:15] Like,
[1:06:15] what are you doing to me?
Stuart Wellington
[1:06:17] I think for me,
[1:06:19] I remember loving a lot
[1:06:21] of like Hong Kong cinema
[1:06:22] and martial arts movies
[1:06:23] like Jet Li
[1:06:24] and Chow Yun-Fat,
[1:06:26] and then when they started
[1:06:28] coming over
[1:06:29] and doing American
[1:06:30] English language stuff,
[1:06:31] I'm like,
[1:06:31] man,
[1:06:31] this is terrible,
[1:06:33] and it's because they,
[1:06:34] you know,
[1:06:34] it's realizing like,
[1:06:36] oh,
[1:06:36] these actors who are
[1:06:37] such great performers
[1:06:38] in the hands of somebody
[1:06:39] who doesn't know
[1:06:39] how to make a good movie
[1:06:41] is not gonna,
[1:06:42] they're wasted.
[1:06:43] Yeah.
Dan McCoy
[1:06:44] I wish I had an answer,
[1:06:46] but I don't,
[1:06:47] and so,
[1:06:48] in the interest of moving us along,
[1:06:49] I won't try,
[1:06:50] but if you can catch me afterwards,
[1:06:53] I'll think of something.
[1:06:54] One more.
Elliott Kalan
[1:06:55] He does mean catch,
[1:06:56] like he's gonna run away.
[1:06:57] Yeah, yeah.
[1:06:58] Catch me if you can.
[1:06:59] Hee, hee, hee, hee.
Dan McCoy
[1:07:01] Thank you.
Elliott Kalan
[1:07:02] We have one last question.
[1:07:04] Shit.
[1:07:05] A lot of pressure.
[1:07:05] Sorry,
[1:07:05] am I allowed to swear?
[1:07:06] Oh.
[1:07:07] Wow.
[1:07:08] Okay.
S8
[1:07:08] Calm down, sir.
[1:07:11] You don't really have to rush.
[1:07:12] No microphone.
[1:07:13] All right.
[1:07:13] First off,
[1:07:14] I just want to say
[1:07:14] thanks so much, guys,
[1:07:15] for coming over here
[1:07:16] for the first time ever.
[1:07:17] Oh, thank you.
[1:07:18] Thank you.
[1:07:18] Good speaker, everyone here.
[1:07:20] Thanks so much.
[1:07:21] And thanks for just
[1:07:22] taking our brains
[1:07:23] away from themselves
[1:07:24] when we listen to you guys
[1:07:25] for hours after hours
[1:07:26] over and over and over again.
[1:07:28] Question time.
[1:07:29] Okay.
[1:07:29] I've got one and a half questions.
[1:07:31] Uh-oh.
[1:07:32] The half question
[1:07:33] I'll go with first.
[1:07:33] Elliot,
[1:07:34] have you gone to that Popeye's
[1:07:36] over there?
[1:07:36] No.
Elliott Kalan
[1:07:38] I promised my wife
[1:07:40] I would not go to the Popeye's
[1:07:41] while I was here.
[1:07:42] What?
[1:07:42] She said,
[1:07:42] I'll be so mad at you
[1:07:43] if you spend time in England
[1:07:45] going to Popeye's,
[1:07:46] a place that we have
[1:07:47] in our neighborhood
[1:07:48] that you go to already
[1:07:49] too much.
[1:07:50] Popeye's is rare over here,
[1:07:51] so...
[1:07:52] When you walk into
Stuart Wellington
[1:07:54] the one in your neighbor,
[1:07:55] they're like,
[1:07:55] hey,
[1:07:56] it's like Norm and Cheers.
[1:07:57] Yeah, exactly.
[1:07:59] The huge Mr. K,
S8
[1:08:00] you know it.
[1:08:01] I say break that promise,
[1:08:03] go to the Popeye's.
[1:08:04] Okay.
[1:08:04] Do you.
[1:08:05] Proper question, though.
[1:08:06] Okay, got to go.
[1:08:07] This film apparently had
[1:08:08] like half an hour
[1:08:09] of cut material.
[1:08:10] I believe the next film
[1:08:12] also had about
[1:08:13] half an hour of cut material.
[1:08:14] One of my favorite films,
[1:08:15] Event Horizon,
[1:08:16] apparently secretly
[1:08:17] had half an hour
[1:08:18] of cut material.
[1:08:20] Do you guys have any films
[1:08:21] that you've heard
[1:08:22] that there's like
[1:08:22] this secret
[1:08:23] extra cut material
[1:08:24] that doesn't exist
[1:08:25] anywhere in the world
[1:08:26] that you'd love to see?
Dan McCoy
[1:08:28] I mean,
[1:08:28] the classic one
[1:08:29] is there's a lost version
[1:08:30] of the Magnificent Ambersons
[1:08:32] that I would love to see
[1:08:35] as it was originally intended.
[1:08:36] I mean,
[1:08:37] because I love the movie
[1:08:38] as it exists,
[1:08:39] so I doubt very much
[1:08:43] that the original vision
[1:08:45] of Orson Welles
[1:08:46] was worse than what we got.
Elliott Kalan
[1:08:48] And I,
[1:08:48] this is the other classic one,
[1:08:50] I want to see that
[1:08:50] seven, eight, nine hour greed
[1:08:52] that Eric Von Stroheim made,
[1:08:53] and they were like,
[1:08:54] what are you doing?
[1:08:55] And they were like,
[1:08:56] you have to cut this
[1:08:57] to an hour and a half,
[1:08:58] and he cut it down,
[1:08:59] and he's like,
[1:08:59] four hours is the best I can do,
[1:09:01] and then they fired him.
[1:09:02] But I really,
[1:09:03] I'd love to sit through that,
[1:09:04] because there's a version,
[1:09:06] there's a restored version
[1:09:07] of Greed that's like
[1:09:07] three and a half hours long
[1:09:08] or so,
[1:09:09] and they just use stills
[1:09:10] for all those scenes,
[1:09:11] and it's amazing.
[1:09:12] It's an amazing movie,
[1:09:13] even with just the,
[1:09:13] as remnants, you know.
Stuart Wellington
[1:09:15] I'm just learning
[1:09:16] that you can cut stuff
[1:09:17] out of movies now.
Elliott Kalan
[1:09:19] Stuart thought
[1:09:20] it actually happened,
[1:09:21] yeah.
Stuart Wellington
[1:09:22] I'll have to think
[1:09:22] of something later.
Dan McCoy
[1:09:23] You'll have to track me down.
[1:09:24] Stuart thinks that movies
[1:09:25] are just shot.
[1:09:26] Thank you so much.
[1:09:28] Cheers.
[1:09:29] Thank you.
[1:09:30] Thank you to everyone here.
[1:09:33] Thank you to the
[1:09:35] St. Audio Podcast Festival.
[1:09:36] Thank you to Oxford Town Hall.
[1:09:38] Thank you.
[1:09:38] We got another one coming up.
[1:09:40] Thank you again.
[1:09:42] I've been Dan McCoy.
[1:09:43] I've been Stuart Wellington.
Elliott Kalan
[1:09:45] I'm Elliot Kalin.
[1:09:46] Thank you, everybody.
[1:09:47] Thank you.
Dan McCoy
[1:09:56] Thank you for being here
[1:09:58] in this cavernous space.
[1:10:02] Thank you.
Stuart Wellington
[1:10:04] I think this is
[1:10:06] probably the nicest room
[1:10:08] we've been in, right?
[1:10:10] Yeah, no,
[1:10:10] by far the nicest room.
[1:10:12] What about when we played
[1:10:13] the Las Vegas Sphere?
[1:10:15] What about that?
[1:10:17] Wait, or did I dream that?
[1:10:18] You're thinking of U2.
[1:10:20] Oh, right.
[1:10:21] That was not us.
Elliott Kalan
[1:10:22] It's going to be so cool
[1:10:23] when we play the Sphere
[1:10:24] and they play that
[1:10:25] with no sound.
[1:10:26] All on the Sphere.
[1:10:28] It'll be amazing.
Dan McCoy
[1:10:30] Thank you for being here.
[1:10:32] This is the first time
[1:10:33] we've been,
[1:10:34] well, not been in the UK.
[1:10:35] We've all been in the UK.
[1:10:36] He did.
[1:10:36] I mean, we're men of the world.
[1:10:38] Couldn't get a third
Elliott Kalan
[1:10:38] of the way through that sentence
[1:10:39] without having to add
[1:10:40] a proviso.
Dan McCoy
[1:10:42] The first time
[1:10:43] we've done a show
[1:10:44] outside of the continental
[1:10:46] North America.
[1:10:49] That's true.
[1:10:49] Yep.
[1:10:50] Yeah.
[1:10:51] So,
[1:10:52] woo!
[1:10:54] Thank you.
Elliott Kalan
[1:10:55] We brought,
[1:10:56] we brought,
[1:10:56] we brought all of our
[1:10:57] A-game England material.
[1:11:00] It's like,
[1:11:00] we're podcasting
[1:11:02] on the other side
[1:11:03] of the stage.
[1:11:05] I wrote some-
[1:11:06] Dan, I don't have
[1:11:07] any more England material.
[1:11:10] Maximum Fun.
[1:11:11] A worker-owned network.
[1:11:12] Of artists-owned shows.
[1:11:14] Supported.
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Elliott Kalan 40mDan McCoy 18mStuart Wellington 6m

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We took a short break around Thanksgiving, which means YOU finally get to hear one of our LIVE episodes from Oxford's inaugural Saint Audio Podcast Festival! We were extremely excited to finally do a show in the UK and see some listeners from across the pond, and -- because we were in England -- we HAD to talk about 1998's The Avengers (aka "the non-Marvel-one), a legendary mega-flop and a despoiling of a beloved British TV series.

Note: We performed in Oxford's Town Hall, which was an absolutely gorgeous venue, but was also very large and echoey. We did what we could to minimize the effects, but we apologize that the audio does come with a little extra reverb!

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