Ep.#439 - The Avengers (1998), LIVE!

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[0:31] This time, it's personal.

[0:33] On this episode, we discuss The Avengers

[0:37] live in Oxford, England.

[0:41] Wow.

[0:43] Yeah, that's sick.

[0:44] I thought, when Stephen Columbus entered this world,

[0:47] if he during his time,

[0:48] he was just kicking doors and letting in a lot of the

[0:51] rock and roll and hip hop heavily.

[0:56] And I'm looking at him and I just,

[0:59] by the way, anybody watching out there,

[1:01] a select few particular groups could go and

[1:03] make a play with him.

[1:05] I am going to watch that show right now.

[1:07] And this is my first look at Amish music,

[1:10] Good, you got your cue.

[1:12] Yeah.

[1:14] Hello, this is The Flop House.

[1:16] I'm Dan McCoy.

[1:17] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:18] I'm Elliot Kalin.

[1:19] Dan, what do we do on The Flop House?

[1:22] The Flop House is a podcast where we watch a bad movie

[1:24] and then we talk about it.

[1:25] And we're talking about 1998, the Avengers, not.

[1:30] Dan, I thought the Avengers came out in 2000 and something.

[1:34] Elliot, you beautiful fool.

[1:35] You're thinking.

[1:36] This has all my favorite American characters,

[1:40] Captain America, Thor.

[1:42] We took him from the Norse.

[1:43] He's ours now.

[1:45] Iron Man, a genuine war criminal hero.

[1:47] Thank you.

[1:49] That's pretty American actually.

[1:51] Black Widow, Russian technically.

[1:53] We'll take her.

[1:54] Sure, why not?

[1:55] No, of course, this is the film that was based on

[1:59] the popular British television show, The Avengers.

[2:02] About Captain America.

[2:05] About Steed, John Steed, is that correct?

[2:10] Don't pretend you didn't watch this show

[2:11] when you were younger, Dan.

[2:13] For the audience who may be listening at home later

[2:15] if we release this, Dan gave a whole presentation

[2:17] about how just totally all over British TV he was as a kid.

[2:21] And now he's like, oh yeah,

[2:22] I think it's about a guy named John Steed.

[2:24] And he's like a secret agent.

[2:26] In the first season, he had a male sidekick

[2:27] and they were investigating someone's murder.

[2:29] But then in the second season,

[2:30] they took it over a different way.

[2:32] I've never seen it though.

[2:32] I don't know.

[2:34] Well, I mean, this is the funny thing about making a movie,

[2:37] a big blockbuster American movie about the Avengers

[2:40] because it is not something,

[2:44] I think, widely known on our shores.

[2:47] I did see it a few episodes growing up.

[2:50] It would play on Arts and Entertainment.

[2:53] A and E.

[2:54] The basic cables version of PBS

[2:56] before it turned into like a place

[2:57] where you watch shitty like reality programming.

[3:01] Yeah, they really jettisoned the arts part

[3:03] of Arts and Entertainment eventually.

[3:05] Yep, this is even worse than when they made

[3:08] that Fawlty Towers American remake movie

[3:11] where they were all superheroes again, yeah.

[3:15] So yeah, basically my association with it was

[3:19] Diana Rigg looked pretty good in a cat suit.

[3:21] That was my main.

[3:23] Why are you staring at me, Dan?

[3:26] That's all you talked about in the green room.

[3:29] Whenever I'm a little pervy,

[3:30] I just need to look to you for comfort.

[3:32] No, it's cool, dude.

[3:33] Validation that it's okay.

[3:34] I'm in, yeah, let's do it.

[3:36] So you're saying this was kind of like

[3:38] when the movie John Carter came out

[3:40] and the filmmakers were like,

[3:41] people are gonna lose their shit

[3:43] when they see a movie of their favorite character,

[3:46] John Carter, the warlord of Mars?

[3:48] We wouldn't even have American superheroes

[3:51] without John Carter.

[3:51] And the movie came out and everyone was like,

[3:53] I don't know who that is.

[3:54] I don't know who this 100-year-old character is.

[3:56] And my wife said, it sounds like the kind of movie

[3:58] where George Clooney plays a sad guy.

[4:00] Yeah, well, should we talk about it?

[4:06] Let's walk through the Avengers 1998.

[4:08] So we begin with credits over storm clouds

[4:13] and very almost, they should be ashamed of themselves.

[4:16] Cheap looking video effects.

[4:18] The titles are kind of like spinning

[4:21] and like they're going down a drain or going up a drain.

[4:24] And this is the first effect a child uses

[4:28] when they are editing on a computer.

[4:29] And then when they turn eight, they go,

[4:31] why am I doing this?

[4:32] I shouldn't use this.

[4:33] Honestly, Elliot, I love these credits

[4:35] because these were the most 1998 credits I have ever seen.

[4:41] And it hit a nostalgia button

[4:42] and then everything else was sort of downhill

[4:44] from the credits.

[4:45] Yeah, yeah, that's very true.

[4:47] Did you guys see this when it came out?

[4:48] No.

[4:49] I did, yes.

[4:51] Because it came out like shortly after Men in Black.

[4:54] I felt like it was like trying to hit a same tone

[4:57] or an audience as like a Men in Black.

[4:59] They were like, you know what people hated

[5:00] in Men in Black, the aliens.

[5:02] Let's take them out.

[5:04] I mean, you know, I, yeah, I watched it at the time.

[5:07] I was vaguely familiar with the show.

[5:09] I liked the idea of like mod sort of spy stuff.

[5:15] Uma Thurman, very beautiful.

[5:17] Ralph Fiennes looks also very beautiful in this movie.

[5:21] So here's my question

[5:22] that I should have done research for before the show,

[5:24] but I didn't think of it until now.

[5:25] When did Austin Powers come out?

[5:27] That's a good question.

[5:28] Because I wonder if they were alive.

[5:29] There's no way of knowing.

[5:30] There's no way of knowing.

[5:31] And no one in the audience, look it up.

[5:32] We should never know.

[5:34] He's always been with us, Elliot.

[5:38] If you go back to ancient cave paintings of Austin Powers.

[5:42] Yeah, baby, they said.

[5:44] It's like in a Cave of Forgotten Memories,

[5:47] Werner Herzog is like,

[5:48] here we see the ancient cave people

[5:51] have used the contours of the cave

[5:53] to adequately express the bulge in the pants

[5:56] of Austin Powers.

[5:58] Here they have taken a jutting out of the rock

[6:01] and painted a Union Jack underpants on it.

[6:03] Yeah.

[6:05] Yeah, interesting.

[6:05] Because it was not a flag that existed at the time.

[6:09] But those, you know, they cast the runes.

[6:12] So anyway, we're halfway through the opening credits.

[6:14] So let's keep going.

[6:17] They are very, they're real sub James Bond credits.

[6:20] There's a lot of silhouettes.

[6:21] There's a lot of silhouettes of umbrellas.

[6:22] And as soon as you see umbrellas in the opening credits,

[6:25] you're like, this movie is gonna be awesome.

[6:28] We're introduced to Ray Fiennes

[6:30] as John Steed, the secret agent.

[6:33] It types out 90s style on the screen,

[6:35] John Steed, the ministry, which is a band, right?

[6:39] Yeah, he plays for Ministry of the Band, right?

[6:40] Yep, yep, him and Al Jergensen, yep.

[6:42] Okay, he's classic, classic John Steed.

[6:46] He is the image that most Americans have

[6:49] of an English person, bowler hat, suit, tie, umbrella.

[6:53] And he's walking through a little country village

[6:55] and everybody in it, the milkman, the cop,

[6:58] the lady with a pram, auto mechanic,

[7:00] they all drop whatever they're doing

[7:01] as soon as they see him and they just fight him.

[7:03] And he has to fight them all.

[7:05] And the fighting is, I would say sluggish.

[7:09] Yeah, so we should address that half an hour

[7:14] was cut from this film pre-release.

[7:18] So that's a good sign, usually, right?

[7:20] Well, and that's why much of it makes,

[7:22] much of the plot makes very little sense

[7:23] because they cut a lot out.

[7:24] But that doesn't explain why,

[7:26] do you think they extended each shot

[7:28] of someone punching or kicking to fill that,

[7:30] the time that was left?

[7:31] No, I mentioned it only to be like,

[7:33] perhaps we can't blame the director

[7:35] for every problem this film has

[7:37] since the producers gutted it,

[7:39] but it is startling how much of a problem

[7:43] it is startling how little sense of tension

[7:47] or ability to shoot an action sequence

[7:50] this, for a big action movie,

[7:52] this does not have any thrills within it.

[7:55] And part of that's the tone.

[7:56] Part of the tone, I know that the Avengers show

[8:01] was also sort of like very cheeky,

[8:03] like kind of dry, like.

[8:05] Droll, very droll.

[8:06] Droll, yeah.

[8:07] Which a droll, for people to know,

[8:08] it's like a droid of a troll.

[8:10] Thank you for, yes, we are.

[8:14] If you want a Portmanteau explained,

[8:15] just come to me, Elliott Portmanteau Kalin.

[8:17] We are in Oxford, the land of dictionaries,

[8:19] so I appreciate that.

[8:20] They don't know, yeah.

[8:22] I actually, I grew up near Portmanteau.

[8:24] I still remember the sound of the fishing boats

[8:26] going out to get the words.

[8:29] But the movie sets a problematic tone

[8:33] from the beginning where it's like,

[8:36] well, it doesn't seem like Steve cares that much

[8:38] about anything that's happening,

[8:39] so why the fuck should we, you know?

[8:42] Yeah, that's true.

[8:43] Well, I'm gonna blame a little bit of that on the director.

[8:45] Yeah, so it was directed by Jeremiah Chechik,

[8:47] who I'm not, I didn't know by name,

[8:48] so I looked it up.

[8:49] That I did look up.

[8:50] And he directed a little movie called

[8:52] National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation,

[8:53] also known as the first movie I ever saw

[8:56] where I experienced not liking a movie.

[9:00] The first time I ever saw a movie in the theaters

[9:02] and was like, almost like you have an allergic reaction

[9:04] to something, and you're like,

[9:05] why is my body rejecting this?

[9:07] I don't understand.

[9:09] I'm not enjoying this movie, am I using it wrong?

[9:11] Because you normally love Randy Quaid movies.

[9:15] Yeah.

[9:16] He just loves his politics.

[9:18] That's why when, in Total Recall,

[9:22] the guy's name is Quaid, and I'm like,

[9:23] when's Randy gonna show up, yeah.

[9:25] So Ray finds he's fighting his way

[9:26] through this village very slowly.

[9:27] It turns out it's all training exercise.

[9:29] They're just testing him out as a secret agent.

[9:32] He gives a box of macaroons to the guy who's testing him,

[9:36] which is going to go to his boss, codename Mother.

[9:39] That's right, it's action superstar Jim Broadbent.

[9:44] He's the head of the ministry.

[9:45] Things are about to get tough,

[9:47] seeing maybe a little turvy.

[9:50] He tells the prime minister over the telephone.

[9:53] They couldn't get the actual prime minister for the movie.

[9:56] He tells him, the Prospero weather shield is down.

[10:00] Oh no, the weather shield, and this is presented as if it is a thing that is real that England has.

[10:06] Uh, maybe you do, I don't know what that was.

[10:09] And this is also, I mean, I think that this may have meant more to us, uh, in the original cut,

[10:15] because it's my understanding that in the original cut we see Uma Thurman, who we will meet soon,

[10:20] working at the Prospero weather shield, just getting out, her husband dying,

[10:24] we don't know in the movie as it exists that she just became widowed.

[10:29] We see Uma Thurman beating up everybody in the Prospero base and shutting it down,

[10:35] but all that's left of that is a couple seconds of security camera footage we see later on,

[10:39] because when they decided to cut down the movie they took out one of the action sequences.

[10:44] So then we meet Dr. Emma Peel, Uma Thurman, born and raised in England, right?

[10:49] Yeah, logo?

[10:50] No.

[10:51] She's the former head of the Prospero program, and she gets a box of chocolates delivered to her,

[10:57] and when she opens it, there's a note that says, answer the phone, and then the phone starts ringing,

[11:02] and she picks it up, and the movie is trying to tell you, this movie is going to be a little quirky,

[11:07] but what it tells me is that there's a lot of unnecessary jobs in the British Secret Service.

[11:12] You're adding a step in here that's not necessary, British Secret Service.

[11:17] The phone has a thing that tells you to answer it, which they use, because it rings.

[11:24] Maybe they cut out a scene where the phone rang and she didn't answer it.

[11:30] Because she's like, just looking around, she doesn't know what it is.

[11:34] She's picking up food in the fridge.

[11:37] She picks up a banana or a croissant.

[11:39] She hits the microwave, it won't stop.

[11:41] Yeah, but we didn't see that scene either.

[11:43] So she is sent to a private men's club.

[11:45] The doorman tries to stop her because no women have been allowed in since the 1760s.

[11:49] She's made of Cerner stuff by walking past him.

[11:53] It's a crack team of security they have at this club.

[11:56] She goes to meet John Steed, who is nude in the sauna reading a newspaper,

[12:01] and it seems this was a test of her as well.

[12:04] We see a little bit of Ralph Fiennes' butt.

[12:06] You see a small amount of Ralph Fiennes' butt.

[12:08] And this was right after English Patient, where you saw a lot of his butt, right?

[12:12] Yeah. So this has been our Mr. Skin Corner, if you're interested in Ralph Fiennes.

[12:16] And, of course, if you missed it, he did full frontal as Robert Moses

[12:19] in Straight Line Crazy on the stage.

[12:23] He didn't really.

[12:26] That would be amazing, though, if Robert Moses was like,

[12:28] Well, Governor Al Smith, this is Straight Line Crazy, and just pulls his penis out.

[12:32] Please don't tell Roman Mars, my co-host on the Power Broker podcast, that I said that.

[12:37] Anyway, so they give their philosophies.

[12:41] He's all about the rules.

[12:43] She says the rules are made to be broken.

[12:45] Rules will come into play. Never.

[12:48] And they're kind of smilingly, smugly, not liking each other.

[12:52] It's your classic African Queen scenario.

[12:55] They don't like each other, but they're going to fall in love.

[12:57] But I know in the show they didn't fall in love, but this is a movie.

[13:00] Even though she is just recently widowed, which I discovered.

[13:03] Yeah, she's on the rebound.

[13:05] So she's going to be brought into the agency.

[13:10] The ministry.

[13:13] Sure. The Avengers thing that they do.

[13:16] So normally, narratively, there's a reason you might have a character come in from the outside.

[13:23] It's either so you can show them sort of being trained and learning the ropes.

[13:29] And through that point of view character, you learn the ropes.

[13:33] Or it's sort of a mismatch where it's like,

[13:38] Okay, well, Steve has the spy skills, but she's going to bring something else to the table.

[13:42] But instead, this movie does a thing where it's like,

[13:45] Oh, Uma Thurman's character is immediately good at all the same things and just seems like another spy.

[13:52] So I don't know why it happened.

[13:55] Well, there's I'll tell you why it happened, Dan, because they go to the ministry.

[13:59] They talk to Mother Jim Broadbent.

[14:01] Someone blew up the lab for the Prospero Weather Shield.

[14:03] Security footage shows it's Emma Peel, who's the culprit.

[14:07] She's like, but that's not me.

[14:09] I didn't do that.

[14:10] And the only it says it in the British legal system.

[14:13] The only way to try someone for a crime like this is to let them loose so they can solve the crime themselves.

[14:20] So she's going to team up with John Steed.

[14:22] Take it up with I don't with with whoever wrote that law book everyone uses in the 19th century.

[14:27] I don't remember. Anyway, so the she has to work with John Steed and Mother's second in command.

[14:32] A woman named Father.

[14:33] She's like, I think Emma Peel may have a split personality or want revenge for the death of her husband, who was a spy for us.

[14:40] This is not really brought up again.

[14:41] And I mean, the split personality ideas, but her dead husband is not.

[14:44] And father's played by Fiona Shaw.

[14:47] Yes, that's right.

[14:48] So we got, you know, we got some classy.

[14:49] It's a big, heavy hitters.

[14:51] I mean, it's got a great cast.

[14:52] Yeah, it's a it's a fantastic cast.

[14:54] So but this is one.

[14:55] This is the kind of movie where information is brought up and the characters are like, good, established.

[15:00] We don't have to deal with that anymore.

[15:02] Alternately, information is not brought up.

[15:05] And the characters pretend that we know what they're talking about.

[15:08] So so they fence for a while and appeal and John Steed and turn and they talk about research and her background.

[15:16] It's all very it's kind of weirdly airless.

[15:17] It turns out they're at John Steed's tailors.

[15:19] He orders a set of boots for her.

[15:21] This will come in important later on.

[15:23] That's good screenwriting.

[15:24] And I feel like I feel like every scene is either an exposition delivery system or a pun delivery.

[15:31] Yes, that's exclusively the entire movie.

[15:33] Let me ask you, how would you describe their banter?

[15:35] Because it's always banter.

[15:37] The banter of two people who hate each other and are pretending that they get along.

[15:41] That's what it felt to me.

[15:42] But how does it feel to you?

[15:43] It's banter that doesn't actually have any jokes in it.

[15:47] Yeah, it's just sort of like we're going to say this to each other in an arch tone.

[15:52] And that's how, you know, we're being witty.

[15:57] I don't know.

[15:59] Yeah.

[16:00] I don't know about you, but I could go for a bit of lunch.

[16:03] I could also go for lunch.

[16:05] It's like, all right.

[16:06] There's no later on.

[16:08] They're what I would call half entendres.

[16:10] They're like not quite even single entendres.

[16:13] But anyway, they leave for the country.

[16:15] They're watched by the most sinister man in England, Eddie Izzard.

[16:19] And Eddie Izzard, who is, you know, is playing a bad guy in this.

[16:22] So they drive to the country.

[16:24] Of course, it's England.

[16:25] So John Steed's car makes tea.

[16:26] That's an American's idea of what English things are.

[16:29] And they're going to see Sir August de Winter, a fanatical meteorologist.

[16:34] And the choir, the chair, I misread my notes here.

[16:38] He's the chair of a group called Brawley, which is a private science weather project.

[16:42] And he is so obviously the villain.

[16:45] And the characters don't seem to know that for half of the scene.

[16:48] And then they seem to pick it up, never talk about it,

[16:51] and just assume from that point on that he's the villain.

[16:53] And it does feel like they cut 25 minutes out of the movie.

[16:56] No, no. There's definitely no scene in which they're like,

[16:59] you know that guy who seems like a villain.

[17:01] We have the proof that he's a villain.

[17:03] They just like skip over from like suspicion to like, okay, this is the bad guy.

[17:08] But we're also just going to kind of dick around for a while and not take him down.

[17:12] So it's played by Sean Connery, who has a house full of –

[17:15] he's a rich weather obsessive with a house full of traps.

[17:18] So like maybe he's the bad guy who shut down the weather system.

[17:21] And as we'll find out later in the movie,

[17:23] he is related to a private weather service that creates weather that you can order at Bespoke Weather.

[17:30] And it's like, why did you bother sending secret agents on this one?

[17:34] There's a problem with weather in the country.

[17:37] Maybe it's the people who can make their own weather.

[17:39] Well, and they go into his house, and it's just filled with snow globes.

[17:42] So he's either like a supervillain or like, I don't know, like my weird cousin.

[17:47] So Emma Peel, she meets Sean Connery.

[17:50] He first grabs her by the throat.

[17:53] Seems like a villainous thing to do.

[17:56] But then he admires her interest in weather, and they talk about weather and monsoons.

[18:00] They almost make a double entendre about the phrase being wet, but they do not go that far.

[18:06] And she's like, well, I heard the military cut the funding for your weather technology.

[18:10] And he's like, nothing's impossible.

[18:12] They just didn't have the guts to do it, but I'll do it.

[18:14] They just didn't have the guts to do it, but I'll do it.

[18:16] I'm doing it right now.

[18:17] And she's like, well, I'll see you later.

[18:21] And meanwhile, John Steed is walking around, and there's super winds blowing him around.

[18:25] And anyway, and De Winter knows that Steed is out there.

[18:28] And suddenly it's snowing on Steed.

[18:30] Like, all the evidence.

[18:31] They gave them all the clues, Mr. Policeman.

[18:34] And the evil Emma Peel shows up in a dog sled, shoots John Steed.

[18:39] He wakes up in regular Emma Peel's home.

[18:42] She denies that she shot him.

[18:43] He reveals he was wearing a bulletproof waistcoat.

[18:45] And they banter for a while.

[18:47] And she shows him.

[18:48] Yeah, he also is, like, pretty cool with it.

[18:52] Like, I feel like he half doesn't believe, like, oh, it wasn't her.

[18:56] But he's also like, yeah, I guess.

[18:59] I get shot by women all the time.

[19:00] It's cool.

[19:01] You know, whatever.

[19:02] She stole a snow globe made by this weather company.

[19:05] It's called Wonderland Weather.

[19:07] So they go there, and literally the woman there is just like, yeah, we make our own weather, and we sell weather.

[19:11] So if you want weather, this is the place to go.

[19:13] You know, we do it.

[19:14] And they're like, we are recommended by August to Winter.

[19:16] And she's like, yeah, sure, two secret agents.

[19:19] They mention my evil boss.

[19:20] Like, cool, I'll just show you the goods, what we have, you know.

[19:23] I don't know who this actress is who plays this part, but she was fine.

[19:29] So meanwhile, this is when the movie starts.

[19:31] Wait, sorry.

[19:33] I'll admit that I don't.

[19:35] Who plays the Wonderland Weather receptionist.

[19:37] Oh, yes.

[19:38] Okay, okay.

[19:39] So she has a long role that was supposed to have a joke at the end of it, and it doesn't.

[19:43] And they're like, we're going to browse a little.

[19:45] And she's like, okay.

[19:46] And then just walks out of the scene.

[19:48] And it's like, there's no button or anything on the end of this scene, huh?

[19:51] I was asking because I couldn't quite hear.

[19:53] But I know that the woman who shows up later on in the street with the gun was a part that was offered.

[20:00] to Diana Rigg and she was like no thank you I won't be doing that like I don't do this anymore

[20:05] uh I'm gonna wait till Game of Thrones comes on TV so I can be in that uh so they so this

[20:10] is when the movie starts getting start stops being cutesy and starts being quirky where

[20:15] August DeWinter he's holding a meeting with all of his other council members but they can't know

[20:20] each other's identities so they're all wearing enormous plush teddy bear costumes and this I

[20:26] know I was into it this is a thing that I do know is from the an episode of the series as is the MC

[20:34] Escher stares later on there are there are these nods to the series but what's interesting about

[20:40] them is like while I can't recall whether they make sense in the series they sure as shit don't

[20:46] make sense here they're just thrown in and I can imagine someone who has never seen an episode of

[20:52] the Avengers being like what the fuck why did you see that he was just wearing a bear costume

[20:57] I remember reading a review of this movie and it came out and they're like for no reason at all

[21:01] why are they meeting in teddy bear costumes yeah and this this was a this was received well by

[21:06] critics yeah this is a huge hit yeah one that it won all the major critics yeah yeah best picture

[21:10] yeah sure sure uh so the I mean it was nominated for a Razzie for worst picture but it lost care

[21:16] about that it lost to Gus Van Sant's remake of Psycho which say what you will about the

[21:22] unnecessariness of that movie it's basically Psycho it's like don't give it a Razzie come on

[21:25] what are you doing anyway this is much worse than that so anyway he goes he goes I understand this

[21:29] is tough we're all super villains if anyone doesn't have the stomach for it tell me now

[21:33] resign I'll give you a million dollars and two teddy bears raise their hands and he throws

[21:37] poison darts into them and kills them both at that point I would just quietly leave the

[21:42] organization but uh and uh so they're a wonderland uh they walk at steed and peel walk

[21:49] into the boardroom and finds the dead teddy bear bodies they the movie is handing them the clues

[21:56] and they unmask one of them uh-oh one of the dead ones was one of the Prospero scientists

[22:00] they chase after some bears they split up there's bears everywhere John Steen fights Eddie Izzard

[22:05] and some other guys he's his umbrella because he's the penguin or something and Eddie Izzard

[22:10] drives off but not before first dropping a map to the Brawley secret headquarters because again

[22:16] the movie is not since seven where the movie was like these guys are just screwing it up bad guy

[22:23] walk into the room and announce yourself to them like David Fincher's off camera being like one of

[22:28] these idiots gonna figure out it's yeah just like space just show up just go like David Fincher's

[22:32] the DM and he's like my players aren't figuring out my mystery I'm just gonna have I'm gonna have

[22:37] Strahd walk in here and they'll deal with him it reminds you there was a there was a game that you

[22:41] ran us through once and you were afterwards you're like I set up this clue if you went over here I

[22:45] set up this clue I mean we were our characters just bumbling around doing nothing and I've never

[22:51] I'm sure I've never sounded more disappointed in my friends yeah so uh anyway they get they um

[22:57] they're on the roof Emma Peel is attacked and stalked she's talking to one of the bears the

[23:02] head comes off it's the other Emma Peel and John Steed arrives there are two Emma Peels and that

[23:07] second the evil Emma Peel runs away by jumping off the top of a building and you know that she

[23:12] survived because they don't cut to her hitting the ground she just jumped but what if they did

[23:17] what a beautiful moment it would have been if they did it really would have thrown the movie a loop

[23:20] you know instead she jumps off the building and we cut to the next scene so I did the characters

[23:25] check I don't know now I read somewhere that the evil Emma Peel I guess in the movie is a clone

[23:31] but originally in the screenplay she was a robot well at one point she was a robot but in the movie

[23:36] she is supposed to be a clone but the scene explaining that again was cut so there's a brief

[23:42] mention of cloning at one point in the movie and you just I mean the movie is making it easier for

[23:48] the heroes of the movie to solve the mystery than it is making for the audience to understand the

[23:51] story yeah they don't understand it's like you wanted the movie makers to be like John Steed and

[23:55] Emma Peel are not the audience for this movie like anyway they mother and father are arguing

[24:02] and John Steed explains what's going on and it turns out the world council of ministers is about

[24:08] to meet in London on the day of the patron saint of weather which is a real Batman thing to do like

[24:17] and August de Winter he's he's testing out some kind of lightning gun wait wait wait

[24:23] August de Winter yeah it's a it's a clever reference to Rebecca yes just one of many

[24:31] easter eggs to the work of Daphne du Moyer that's riddled throughout the Avengers if you'll notice

[24:36] there was a bird in one scene uh and that night uh and audiences didn't look now at the Avengers

[24:46] so the uh that night uh Emma Peel she explains some made-up science stuff as they play chess

[24:50] to John Steed and there's more banter and she's found an area of England that has a cluster of

[24:55] microclimates could that be where the bad guys are I don't know let's check the map the bad guys

[25:01] dropped meanwhile father is playing croquet with August de Winter she's in cahoots with him oh no

[25:08] what's gonna happen meanwhile Eddie Izzard's using a remote control to pilot a swarm of robot bees

[25:14] to attack to attack John Steed and Emma Peel's car I have to admit that the jump between the

[25:20] croquet you came to the bee scene is so abrupt and I was like I don't know where I don't remember

[25:25] where the characters are going I don't know if these bees are something that we're supposed to

[25:27] be surprised by or not and the bees look tiny until one of them smashes into the car it's huge

[25:32] it's enormous yeah and but I think Eddie Izzard seems to really be enjoying herself and yeah it's

[25:40] a the bee scene I gotta give the movie at least this it was the one time the movie seemed to

[25:46] remember that the heroes should look worried that they're being threatened yeah like briefly they're

[25:51] like oh shit they're trying to kill us yeah the bees are shooting guns at them and then and then

[25:56] John Steed's shooting a machine gun at them and there's all sorts of crazy car chases it's just

[26:01] action extraordinaire and uh they're uh John Steen they run the other bad guys off the road

[26:07] and John Steen and Emma Peel are stopped by an older woman a kind of proper lady in the road

[26:12] that's Alice another spy she's got a huge machine gun and she shoots one thug and then scares off

[26:17] another and she's like mother and father aren't getting along right now and I'm worried about

[26:23] what's happening she I'm going to help you and she is the most competent action hero in the

[26:27] entire movie like she is so very clearly the hero of the movie who just walks in and she's like

[26:32] let's go to Augusta Winter's house I know a back door that we can sneak in through in the hedge

[26:36] maze and they go in the hedge maze and they go let's split up she was showing you how to get in

[26:42] why are you splitting up it doesn't make any sense also when the bad guys have a double of

[26:48] one of them you shouldn't split up that's another very good point uh they get into different traps

[26:54] uh Augusta Winter shows up and fights John Steed it's a umbrella versus a walking stick and uh he

[27:00] flips John Steed's umbrella into the air and then disappears and then evil Emma Peel pops out and

[27:04] punches him and uh good Emma Peel I guess she's strapped into like it's some kind of weird machine

[27:10] I assumed it was a brainwashing machine just based on other movies where people are strapped into

[27:15] things it's not really explained but John August Winter is like join me you won't remember any of

[27:20] this when you wake up but join me and do some stuff and then he dances with her until she

[27:25] faints or falls into a trance he's about to kiss her not cool and then the doorbell interrupts him

[27:31] and this is the most unbelievable part of the movie this movie with giant robot bees and a

[27:35] weather machine Augusta Winter answers his own door he's got a huge manor house he's rich he

[27:42] has weather machines he doesn't have a guy who answers the door for him he's like oh I'm in the

[27:47] middle of doing some really evil shit like I got to do this evil stuff like oh man the door and now

[27:53] to press the button that will blow up all of England ding dong oh I'll see who that is excuse

[28:00] me uh you know I'm going door-to-door telling people about this a new solar panel installation

[28:04] plan you know you can get money from the government to put solar panels on your house

[28:07] oh I'm a weather baron I have solar panels okay yeah well cool cool anyway who's your cable

[28:12] provider oh this is double duty I feel like that's an easy sell to a guy who can control the weather

[28:19] is solar panels yes yeah exactly it's just unlimited power okay come in come in tell me

[28:24] all about it I'll get back to my evil later yeah exactly uh so uh the uh so Alice is at the door

[28:31] she's pretending to sell church raffle tickets then she just pulls a gun out and says where's

[28:35] Emma Peel like way to blow cover you know and uh Emma Peel walks around very woozy and she's

[28:41] wandering through the bowels of the house and she's trapped in these like MC Escher-esque loop

[28:45] stairs and rooms this scene is great this where she's I'm a sucker for any scene where someone

[28:50] runs out of a room and then the and then by some dimensional magic ends up back in the same room

[28:55] I go that's one of my favorite creepy things yeah although apparently the way to solve this

[29:01] you know physics bending room is just to smash the window and go out that way yes

[29:05] but it's the window has been disguised as a mirror oh so unless she's Angus Scrimm from

[29:11] the Phantasm movies she doesn't know to smash which she doesn't look at that and think of it

[29:15] as an exit yeah she's not though that's just to be clear yes yes in case anyone's wondering

[29:20] she's not Angus Scrimm from the Phantasm movies at no point does she tell anyone that they play a

[29:24] good game boy in fact quite the opposite she tells John Steed he is not good at chess oh

[29:29] interesting she's like the anti-Angus Scrimm I miss that little Easter egg that's a little Phantasm

[29:33] Easter egg yeah Don Cascarelli was on the set and they were like hey Don throw in a line uh you're

[29:39] not good at games boy so uh so she hears John Steed tapping on a window with his umbrella

[29:44] something you would not do unless you needed to notify someone on the other side that it's a

[29:48] window and she hurls uh she jumps through the mirror and it leads outside but she is knocked

[29:53] out and then Eddie Izzard knocks out Alice Emma Peel awakes in John Steed's flat fair is fair if one

[30:00] character wakes up after being knocked out in one flat, it must happen the other way

[30:03] that's called, uh, what, like, uh, symmetry, you know, that's narrative symmetry

[30:09] and, uh, he's like, here are the boots I ordered for you from my tailors

[30:12] and he flirt banters with her as he takes her boots off and puts her boots back on

[30:16] something that in another movie might be sexy

[30:19] yeah

[30:20] but here he just seems like a boot salesman

[30:25] which

[30:26] I don't want to shame anybody, maybe you think that's sexy, that's okay

[30:29] yeah, yeah, I love married with children, that's what he does, right?

[30:32] yeah, for anyone with a married with children fetish, yeah

[30:36] wait, wait, wait

[30:37] I remember when I was, I went to school in Germany in like two thousand, two thousand

[30:42] one

[30:43] and for some reason, like, married with children merch was so fucking popular

[30:48] like watching German dudes walk around wearing Polk high football jerseys

[30:52] it was so funny to me

[30:54] because it feels like something that you would have no, I don't know, it feels like

[30:57] something you wouldn't have context with if you're in, like, a German person

[31:01] yeah, they would be like, why is he not trying harder at his job? I don't understand

[31:08] he seems to not understand that if he is a shoe salesman, that is the role he has been

[31:12] fitted for by the state

[31:13] so you, you, you posit that they are studying it to try and figure out what is

[31:18] what is wrong with this man and how they can avoid it

[31:20] this, it's a, it's a brilliant character study of a twisted mind

[31:25] a man who just refuses to, he refuses to accept what reality is telling him

[31:30] which is that he should be trying harder to sell shoes

[31:35] anyway

[31:36] married mit children, married mit kinder

[31:39] we have no German word for married, so it's called married mit kinder

[31:46] the only true marriage is between a human soul and the spirit of destiny

[31:53] I took two semesters of German in college, I know what it's all about, yeah, sure

[31:56] so, uh, so, they, uh, they're about to kiss, but nobody gets to kiss Uma Thurman in this

[32:02] movie right away

[32:03] because they're about to kiss when father and mother and some agents burst in and arrest

[32:07] Emma Peel

[32:08] they've done the thing that they probably should have done earlier on

[32:11] meanwhile storm clouds are gathering over London

[32:14] and they're not metaphorical storm clouds

[32:16] they're real storm clouds

[32:17] to quote William Joel, a storm front is coming

[32:20] America's greatest poet

[32:26] I mean, it's either him or, what, uh, Mariah Carey?

[32:33] sure

[32:36] so, as storm clouds gather, John Steed goes to the ministry archives

[32:41] where he is, which is staffed by an invisible man

[32:45] now, this is Patrick McNee's voice, so that's

[32:48] okay, Patrick McNee, the original John Steed

[32:50] this is a little cameo

[32:52] he said, you can have my voice, but I will not show my face in this movie

[32:55] he was very old, I think he was in his 90s, so that also probably

[32:59] he could have still played the main character

[33:03] and so, we've got to bring you out of retirement, John Steed

[33:07] I'm in my 90s, we'll do it anyway

[33:10] I mean, that would explain the sluggishness of the action scenes

[33:13] it's a choreographed for a man in his 90s

[33:16] and Steed's like, I found this evil map that the bad guys dropped

[33:19] can you tell me about it?

[33:21] and the invisible man's like, yeah, I have all the information that you need

[33:24] it was on hand in the archives the whole time

[33:26] and this is one of those things too, where it's like

[33:28] if it's the kind of movie where someone will casually show up as invisible

[33:31] movie, you can't just start doing that two-thirds of the way through

[33:35] you've got to prepare me for that kind of thing

[33:38] so, meanwhile, Emma Peel, she's in a padded room talking to father

[33:41] she is losing her sanity, she's acting frantic, she's not making any sense

[33:44] she has stopped making sense, just like that movie told her to

[33:47] and father, with evil Emma Peel, they spray knockout gas at good Emma Peel

[33:52] oh no, why are they doing this? It doesn't help their plan at all

[33:56] what is this? Speed 2?

[33:58] why would you bring the woman who can stop you

[34:01] whose romantic interest is the man who can stop you with you

[34:04] when you're doing your evil thing?

[34:06] leave her in the padded room in a straight jacket

[34:08] anyway, John Steed learns that August De Winter used to work for the government

[34:12] he was kicked out, he's always been close to father

[34:15] and she sold him ministry land on an island in London

[34:18] from where he's controlling the weather

[34:20] this is all information they had the whole time

[34:23] yeah

[34:25] if they had ended the movie with that guy from the beginning being like

[34:28] well, you passed the test, Agent Steed

[34:30] I would have been like, yeah, makes sense, sure

[34:32] is this also sort of around the time that the bad guy just reveals himself

[34:37] coming in and threatening everyone?

[34:39] yes, the council of ministers is there in an emergency session

[34:41] they're addressing the disaster weather that is sweeping the globe

[34:44] a real problem we are now dealing with

[34:46] that they are not taking as seriously as the fake weather in the movie

[34:50] and August De Winter enters, it's Sean Connery

[34:53] you know he's going to be in a kilt and kind of Scottish garb

[34:55] yeah

[34:56] he announces

[34:57] yeah, he's really cheesing it up, right?

[34:59] he's really enjoying himself here

[35:01] yeah, he announces he has control of the weather of the world

[35:04] he plans to destroy London, the city he is currently in, as a start

[35:08] then he will hold the world for ransom to his deadly weather

[35:12] he gives them until midnight

[35:14] and he's asking for 10% of GNP annually

[35:17] that's a lot of money

[35:18] this is one of these scenes in a movie like this

[35:21] I mean, I understand that the thought is, okay, no matter what

[35:24] he's got this weather controlling device

[35:27] he's got minions, you know, like this

[35:30] but he's not that many

[35:32] he doesn't have one to open his doors and shit

[35:34] imagine if he had some minions from Despicable Me run around his house

[35:38] but they're just saying banana a lot

[35:40] so they're not really a threat

[35:42] he walks into this room filled with people

[35:45] and no one's just like, get him!

[35:47] he's wearing a kilt, kick him in the nuts!

[35:51] he doesn't even have the protection of pants on his lower legs

[35:54] that's a good point, Dan

[35:56] but you should remember, this is Sean Connery

[35:59] people are scared of him, they saw Zardoz

[36:02] they know what he's capable of, yeah

[36:04] and he was wearing even fewer clothes

[36:06] less clothes? I don't speak English, I don't know

[36:09] so anyway, they're in trouble

[36:12] what are they going to do?

[36:13] meanwhile, where were we?

[36:16] oh yes, Mother reveals herself as a secret agent

[36:19] bad guy to Father, points a gun at him in the snow

[36:22] and evil M.A.P.E.L. is carrying good M.A.P.E.L.

[36:25] and then Father knocks Mother over

[36:27] and Mother just ends up lying in the snow

[36:30] and the one funny moment I found in the movie

[36:32] is eventually John Steed runs up

[36:34] and he's like, you've got to go save Dr. Peele

[36:36] and stop the bad guys

[36:37] and he goes to help Mother get him

[36:39] he goes, don't worry about me, I'll be fine

[36:41] and he runs off, leaving Mother lying in the snow

[36:43] it would have taken him moments

[36:45] to just set him in his chair, at least

[36:47] ten seconds more, and you put the man back

[36:50] that was the funniest joke in it

[36:52] so John Steed, he finds the padded room they kept him

[36:54] he's got a computer pocket watch

[36:56] much like Penny's computer book from Inspector Gadget

[36:59] and he's tracking something

[37:01] we will later find out

[37:02] he secretly put a tracking device in the boots

[37:04] he ordered for M.A.P.E.L.

[37:05] creepy, creepy behavior

[37:07] secret agent stuff

[37:09] M.A.P.E.L. wakes up

[37:10] heroes are always waking up to find themselves in places

[37:13] I'm like, what did Raymond Chandler write this?

[37:15] what's going on?

[37:16] and she wakes up, she's in a hot air balloon over London

[37:18] with Father and bad M.A.P.E.L.

[37:20] why'd they bring her? I don't know

[37:22] and Mother points to Steed

[37:25] and he's like, go to the balloon, go to the balloon

[37:28] leaving behind M.A.P.E.L.

[37:30] on her own, disables part of the balloon

[37:32] it drifts off course

[37:34] bad M.A.P.E.L. fights good M.A.P.E.L.

[37:36] the balloon eventually, it crashes through the top of Nelson's column

[37:39] and then M.A.P.E.L., the good one, falls off of it

[37:42] again, the P.E.L.s are impervious to falling damage

[37:46] because she's fine, nothing bad happens to her

[37:48] and the balloon crashes into a Wonderland weather sign

[37:50] that was not adequately set up as a thing that was there

[37:53] for them to crash into

[37:55] it explodes, John Steed, he finds M.A.P.E.L. on the ground

[37:57] she's alive, he's tracking the tag in her boots

[37:59] they kiss, finally, but John Steed is like

[38:02] well, that kiss was just to test your identity

[38:05] I can't admit that I have emotions in any way

[38:08] anyway, the Mother, now back and on the phone again

[38:12] assures the Prime Minister his agents are on the weather case

[38:15] this scene is useless, if you're going to cut anything

[38:17] cut the scene where Mother is informing the Prime Minister

[38:19] of something we know already

[38:22] John Steed and M.A.P.E.L., now it's time for them to bring the fight

[38:26] to Augusta Winter

[38:28] they're in giant inflatable globes that let them walk on water

[38:31] like they're at Spring Break or something in Piranha 3D

[38:34] this was in the trailer, right?

[38:36] I feel like this was one of the big images of the trailer

[38:40] yeah, it's iconic

[38:43] they walk across the river, they go to Winter's Island weather station

[38:46] there's another dead Prospero scientist in a bear suit, who cares

[38:49] they get into a phone booth

[38:51] M.A.P.E.L. knows the secret code to use it to get into the weather lab

[38:54] a secret code that was set up in a scene that appears in the trailer for the movie

[38:57] but does not appear in the movie

[38:59] so it just seems like she knows a password somehow

[39:02] there's a lot of going down spiral stairs for a while

[39:05] anyway, they split up again

[39:07] M.A.P.E.L. goes to shut down the machine

[39:09] which involves walking on a tightrope

[39:11] to a big globe that she's got to crawl inside of

[39:14] and then pull wires out of

[39:16] and John Steed is going to go fight Augusta Winter

[39:22] they're fighting on a catwalk of some kind

[39:25] there's water underneath

[39:27] when she's going to go shut down the machine

[39:29] that's when Eddie Izzard shows up

[39:31] apparently his character's name is Bailey

[39:33] this is told to the audience late, it doesn't matter, who cares

[39:36] she eventually defeats him, he falls to his death

[39:39] he doesn't have the P.E.L.S. sisters falling invulnerability

[39:42] this is all very edifying too

[39:44] because I watched this movie on the plane coming over here

[39:48] your preferred way to watch planes, to watch movies

[39:53] long time listeners of the Flophouse know

[39:55] Dan's favorite movie theater is in the air

[40:00] your emotions are heightened you know it really works on you I this was a moment at which the

[40:05] couple next to me otherwise seemed very nice you know the woman offered me some food she wasn't

[40:10] eating like but they chose this moment don't eat that damn they chose this moment to not get a

[40:18] drink from the beverage cart that was coming down their side of the aisle over here but to order

[40:23] across me uh two vodkas and apple juices the drink of toddlers

[40:32] and i was where you like i want to get in on this

[40:37] me i i also had a couple sitting next to me and they seemed very unhappy with what i was watching

[40:42] and it was a it was kind of a kind of older german couple and now i realize

[40:46] they just really wanted to ask me about married with children i know

[40:49] they're like finally we're sitting next to an american we can ask him about al bundy

[40:53] i don't have to wait till he's finished with his film before we can ask him

[40:58] my german accent is turning more and more scandinavian as it goes on

[41:01] so um the so eddie is it false to his death the london blizzard's getting worse uh steve

[41:06] finds the winter's control area there's sword fighting there's water there's lightning uh-oh

[41:10] lightning hits big ben tower blows it up oh no it's gonna be so expensive to fix that

[41:16] and peel's trying to deactivate the machine august winter overpowers john steed very easily

[41:21] launches him over a railing and then john steed just climbs up the other side of the railing

[41:26] is he bugs bunny like what happened i don't i don't know how he did it ultimately john steve

[41:32] stabs august winter with his sword cane that acts as a lightning rod lightning then hits the sword

[41:37] and pulls august winter up into the sky like a lasso like a lightning lasso is he pecos bill

[41:44] what's going on he must that must like if you love the weather getting killed by lightning's

[41:49] got to be like number one way to go for sure i i assume it it's it's thor from the future being

[41:55] like adventures belongs to us it's it's very funny to me that a a movie that's so based around the

[42:01] idea of weather didn't bother to research whether lightning can pull you places it's not really it's

[42:07] not like an electric rope anyway that's why uh ben franklin did all that stuff with the kite he's

[42:12] like it'll pull me up i'll be the kite then finally my dream of being a kite

[42:22] my dream is auditioning for the role of the kite on peewee's playhouse

[42:26] i need to get experienced if i'm going to win this part this is this is all

[42:30] important american history yeah we all learned this in school

[42:36] everyone knows the story of ben franklin and the kite and the peewee's playhouse audition that

[42:40] failed anyway uh that was the name of it that uh that that's a metallica song isn't it the

[42:45] peewee's playhouse edition that failed yeah yeah yeah of course yeah so um a tornado's smashing up

[42:50] london but emma peel pulls the right wire all the weather stuff shuts off immediately then she dives

[42:56] into the water so that she can climb back up again out of the water and be reunited with john steed

[43:01] but the auto destruct goes off and it just blows up it's fine they don't have to do anything they

[43:06] don't have to escape or anything it just it's fine so wait a minute so is the like the the

[43:11] standard state of all weather no weather like that's what i'm trying to like wouldn't it just

[43:16] keep doing what it's doing for a little while or i don't know a lot about mad scientist weather

[43:22] science but in real life yeah weather doesn't just stop when you flip the switch yeah you know it

[43:27] would keep doing stuff you know yeah yeah i think the more gradually returned to stasis probably

[43:34] fancy words i can use words can you go to my house and explain to my kids the concept of

[43:40] entropy because i could not get it across to them the concept of entropy yeah yeah just show like a

[43:47] picture of yourself from like 10 years ago like same dude no because when i i don't want to give

[43:53] entropy the credit for that i want to i point to that picture i go you did this to me children

[43:58] elliot i have to admit now i'm it's very echoey up on stage i have to assume it's slightly better

[44:04] out there because people are laughing but i i heard when you said entropy i heard can you

[44:09] explain the concept of denture baby yeah denture baby so so when babies are born they don't have

[44:15] teeth right well maybe they can have some with denture babies join me won't you as we go through

[44:21] the wonderful world of teeth for babies yeah the concept of teething is when babies are crying

[44:25] because they want their dentures they're like they have tooth jealousy yeah that's exactly what

[44:31] it is freud talks about tooth envy and babies yeah oh i want to eat steak and corn on the cob

[44:40] don't worry baby you will be patient be patient no don't grow up too fast baby i want to grow up now

[44:45] give me give me my dentures how do you have a tattoo already baby what's going on anyway mother

[44:51] calls the prime minister the weather is is done but emma peel and john steed have not returned

[44:57] the next day august winter's control pod surfaces in the thames steve and peel are fine why did they

[45:03] do that why do they have a scene where they're like they've never been heard from again and then

[45:07] like two seconds later they're like here they are yeah let's celebrate it feels this so much we've

[45:12] said before about other movies it feels like someone heard how a movie is supposed to go

[45:16] and then made the movie and they're like yeah yeah and then the hero like everyone's supposed

[45:20] to think they're dead and then they come back and they're not dead they've they've they're arrived

[45:23] again but it's they just do it not good you know yeah there's like it's like in that what the 50

[45:28] shades of gray movie where they're like oh christian gray's plane went down then a second

[45:32] later he walks in the door and they're like i guess you're cool it's like my new kink is making

[45:36] everyone think i died in a helicopter crash yeah it's a good one it puts me in mind of the next

[45:41] movie we're going to talk about spice world which very charmingly keeps introducing a problem and

[45:46] then immediately resolving it that's true yeah but they do that on purpose uh we're now at the

[45:51] final the final scene perhaps maybe one of the most unnecessary scenes in the movie which is

[45:56] just emma peel and john steed and mother have them champagne together that's it and there's no like

[46:02] i think you two are gonna work together real well from nison from now on they're just like

[46:07] yeah well we went through that didn't we we sure did cheers and then that's the end of the movie

[46:13] it is a movie that at times i was like did they think they were making an episode of a television

[46:17] show because that's what it feels like it feels like it doesn't it they're like join us next week

[46:21] for the next movie you know never um and this was this was a a launching pad for sir sean connery

[46:28] right he uh went on to make a lot of good movies yeah this was this was sean connery's breakthrough

[46:33] role yeah after after slaving away in the obscurity of the james bond series and the untouchables

[46:41] yeah uh what's weird is that this was not the movie that drove him to retirement league of

[46:45] extraordinary gentlemen was the movie there where he said i'm not doing this again ever

[46:50] until sir billy i'm gonna come back yeah to make sir billy

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[53:49] Hey, we should do our final judgments

[53:50] whether this is a good, bad movie,

[53:52] a bad, bad movie, or a movie we kinda like.

[53:54] I will say that this is a bad, bad movie.

[53:58] Be careful, you might lose the British audience.

[54:02] Dan, Dan, Dan, Ray Fine's parents

[54:04] are in the audience tonight.

[54:06] I believe it can only endear us to this audience

[54:09] to say that the American version

[54:12] of a beloved British thing is not very good.

[54:16] In this case, it is not very good.

[54:17] It is inexplicable, disjointed, not thrilling, yeah.

[54:24] Yeah, I would agree that it's bad, bad,

[54:25] although when I first flew over here,

[54:28] I was having some trouble with jet lag

[54:31] and it helped me fall asleep.

[54:34] I will say it's a bad, bad movie

[54:37] with the small caveat,

[54:39] maybe it was because I was also watching it on a plane

[54:42] and the oxygen was so low in my brain.

[54:45] But as it went on, it still wasn't good,

[54:48] but there were times where I was like,

[54:49] you know what, movie,

[54:50] I'm kinda charmed by how little you're trying.

[54:54] It betrays a confidence in what they're doing

[54:56] that it shouldn't have,

[54:58] but it's like the thing where you see someone

[55:01] who is bad at a thing doing it

[55:03] with so much assumption that they can do it

[55:06] that by the end you're like,

[55:07] well, I'm entertained by that aspect of it.

[55:09] But it's like when you see a baby

[55:11] try to chew a corn on the cob or something like that.

[55:14] Maybe you're not equipped for this,

[55:15] but he thinks he is, it's cute, it's adorable.

[55:17] So it sounds like it almost reaches

[55:18] like good, bad quality for you.

[55:20] Almost, I think the middle of the,

[55:24] I mean, I think the second half of the movie

[55:25] is good, bad to me

[55:26] because it's so disjointed and it's so like kooky crazy,

[55:29] but the first half of the movie is very boring.

[55:31] So skip to the middle, who cares?

[55:34] Or watch something else, you know?

[55:37] No one's making you watch the Avengers.

[55:39] So looking at the time,

[55:42] let's take four or five questions tops.

[55:47] We're gonna answer them quick.

[55:48] Okay, it's question time, everybody.

[55:49] And then we'll turn the room over for the next show.

[55:51] Thank you for coming to this one.

[55:53] Thanks so much, we really appreciate it.

[55:55] I'm gonna say my thing that I always say at the top.

[55:57] We want great questions from everybody.

[55:59] So before you ask your question, think to yourself,

[56:02] would anyone else in this room

[56:03] be interested in this question?

[56:05] And also, everyone, a lot of times we do these shows,

[56:08] people at the top, they like to tell us how great we are.

[56:10] We're not that great.

[56:11] But also, we really appreciate that you're here.

[56:13] So we know you love us.

[56:14] And this is perfect.

[56:15] Five people have queued up, no more.

[56:17] Queued up?

[56:18] Oh, five people have queued up, Daniel.

[56:21] Oh, well.

[56:22] Someone's been in England for three days.

[56:25] Queued up.

[56:26] Wow.

[56:29] I got booed so heartily at last night's

[56:32] Spice World screening that I need to pander now.

[56:35] This was, I'm sorry.

[56:36] How late were you up

[56:37] thinking about getting booed last night?

[56:41] I had the gall to suggest that

[56:44] while I love the Spice Girls,

[56:48] they were engineered,

[56:50] which is simply a fact.

[56:55] They answered an advertisement, people.

[56:58] I want Dan to start going, you're sheep, all of you.

[57:02] I also love the monkeys who answered an advertisement.

[57:04] It's fine, anyway.

[57:06] Next thing you're gonna tell me,

[57:07] the Muppets didn't really get together on their own.

[57:10] Yes, please, question, thank you.

[57:11] Hi, Elizabeth, last name withheld.

[57:15] I was just wondering if you guys already have any ideas

[57:17] for other bad British movies that you might watch

[57:20] next time that you do a show here.

[57:21] Oh, other bad British movies.

[57:23] We wanted to suggest The Beast Must Die,

[57:24] but I would like to hear if you guys

[57:26] already have any ideas.

[57:27] See, the thing that I sort of suggested

[57:32] in my presentation is like,

[57:34] only the best culture from other countries

[57:38] sort of like makes it to our shores,

[57:39] so it's hard to know.

[57:40] It's the opposite of beer,

[57:41] where the best beer tends to be kept from America,

[57:43] from other countries.

[57:45] I am told that there's a movie about potato men

[57:47] that is not good, but I don't know much about it.

[57:51] Like Mr. Potato Head?

[57:53] Sex Lives of Potato Men, is this a thing?

[57:56] Am I getting this correct?

[57:57] Okay.

[58:00] What do you, do you have anything?

[58:02] I mean, I'd have to do some more research is the thing,

[58:04] because I feel like there's a period when,

[58:07] I guess post-Full Monty, when I said,

[58:10] England, I'm gonna take a break from your movies

[58:12] for a while, because they were all kind of the same movie.

[58:15] It was all like, check out these blue collar guys

[58:19] who are gonna do something,

[58:20] or check out these old men who are gonna do something,

[58:23] or check out these old ladies who are gonna do something.

[58:27] And I'm like-

[58:28] Often nude.

[58:28] Yeah, and I'm like,

[58:30] England, you're supposed to be making horror movies

[58:32] that are more creepy than scary.

[58:33] Come on, what are you doing?

[58:35] I don't know, like there's a period of time

[58:38] where I was working for an English company

[58:39] and my boss was English,

[58:40] and he kept bringing me DVDs of Danny Dyer movies,

[58:43] and those were all pretty bad.

[58:47] Oh, you hit a nerve.

[58:48] Yeah.

[58:49] Thank you.

[58:50] Thanks very much.

[58:52] Hi, Andrew, last name withheld.

[58:55] Fun fact, Emma Peel's name is apparently a pun,

[58:59] because she was the appeal to men,

[59:01] the sex appeal, the M appeal.

[59:03] What are your favorite absurdly contrived names from movies?

[59:11] I mean, this is a TV show,

[59:12] there's a TV show on America right now called Tracker,

[59:14] and the main character,

[59:16] his name should be Tracker, but it's not.

[59:19] His first name is Coulter,

[59:20] which I think is a very funny first name

[59:22] for a TV character to have,

[59:23] because it's like, even Colton would be kind of like

[59:25] a too cool name for this character,

[59:27] but Coulter is like, they put another twist on it.

[59:30] But a contrived name for a movie, okay, hold on.

[59:34] While you think,

[59:36] Tracker was very heavily promoted during the Super Bowl,

[59:41] a thing that I don't care about,

[59:43] but as an American, I'm contractually obligated

[59:45] to still watch, and I was just,

[59:48] I found myself, my mind was taken by Tracker,

[59:52] like, don't you understand?

[59:53] He tracks people.

[59:54] He's really good at tracking things.

[59:57] No one's better at tracking.

[59:58] You can't find the...

[1:00:00] He just tracks them to a certain place and then stops.

[1:00:04] He always has to be at least 100 feet behind them, yeah.

[1:00:06] Uh, I mean, what is it?

[1:00:09] Elan Sleazebagano from the Star Wars Episode II?

[1:00:13] Who sells Death Sticks?

[1:00:14] What's Robert De Niro's name in, uh, in...

[1:00:17] What is it? Devilheart? Angelheart?

[1:00:19] Oh yeah.

[1:00:20] He's like...

[1:00:21] Louis Cipher?

[1:00:22] Yeah, Louis Cipher.

[1:00:23] That's the best one, I think.

[1:00:25] I'm gonna throw my support behind Louis Cipher.

[1:00:27] They might have just named him S-Stan.

[1:00:29] Like, or something like that.

[1:00:31] Yeah.

[1:00:32] My name is D-Evil.

[1:00:34] Thank you.

[1:00:37] My name is B for Bob.

[1:00:39] L-Zabub.

[1:00:41] B-L-Zabub.

[1:00:43] Bob Lawrence Zabub, yeah.

[1:00:45] Uh, hey, uh, Tobias.

[1:00:47] Last name of health.

[1:00:48] Um, so we've got a classic weather machine,

[1:00:51] supervillain, uh, weapon being used in this movie.

[1:00:54] What would you say are your preferred supervillain,

[1:00:57] uh, world-destroying device?

[1:01:00] Um, you know, if you were gonna try and destroy the world,

[1:01:04] because, you know, you might...

[1:01:05] We're all doing it together.

[1:01:06] We're all doing it together as a species.

[1:01:08] It's the most successful project humanity's ever embarked on.

[1:01:11] Like, that wall in China's pretty good.

[1:01:14] But I think if we as a species got together,

[1:01:16] we could destroy the whole planet.

[1:01:17] Um, a really good machine for it.

[1:01:19] Weather's pretty classic.

[1:01:21] Like, a space laser is kind of boring,

[1:01:24] but, you know, like, it's got a certain brute force charm.

[1:01:27] You can't argue for efficient...

[1:01:29] It's the most efficient way to do it.

[1:01:30] Have you seen Star Wars?

[1:01:31] They blow up that planet fast.

[1:01:33] Even if it's just a big, like, giant, uh, magnifying glass

[1:01:37] that you put in front of the sun.

[1:01:39] Yeah, yeah, that'll do it, I think, yeah.

[1:01:40] What about one of those things that just summons Godzilla's?

[1:01:43] Like, something that summons a bunch of Godzilla's?

[1:01:45] Yeah, yeah, Godzilla summoner?

[1:01:47] Yeah.

[1:01:48] I think there's a, uh...

[1:01:51] Yeah, now you've got me thinking about that.

[1:01:52] Because if I'm going to make something that destroys the world,

[1:01:54] I want it also to very easily kill me in the process.

[1:01:58] So if the good guys stop me, I'm like,

[1:02:00] oh, why did I summon all these Godzilla's?

[1:02:02] Yeah, I mean, you're making me think of, uh, Geostorm,

[1:02:05] where there's the plot to kill the president,

[1:02:07] which is to create a Geostorm,

[1:02:09] and it's like, that's going to kill a lot of other people,

[1:02:11] and maybe not the president?

[1:02:13] He's like, me and the Geostorm, we have an agreement.

[1:02:15] It's going to kill everyone around me, but not me.

[1:02:17] Yeah, you're holding up, like, a headshot to the Geostorm.

[1:02:20] Like, this is him. This guy.

[1:02:22] And then I'll say, robot duplicate of the president.

[1:02:25] Gets in there, breaks stuff, you know?

[1:02:27] And everyone's like, why is the president doing this?

[1:02:30] And I know it's because he's a robot,

[1:02:31] and the robot knows it's because he's a robot,

[1:02:33] and the real president knows he's been replaced by a robot.

[1:02:35] Nobody else knows. Till it's too late.

[1:02:38] Classic. Stealthy.

[1:02:40] Yeah, very stealthy.

[1:02:42] The perfect crime.

[1:02:44] There's no law against it.

[1:02:46] If they arrest me, I'm like, show me in the law book

[1:02:48] where it says you can't replace the president with a robot.

[1:02:50] Well, we never had to write one.

[1:02:52] There's no laws on the rocks about it.

[1:02:54] I thought it was implied.

[1:02:56] And I guess that dog can play basketball.

[1:02:59] Yes?

[1:03:00] Hi, Sean, last name withheld.

[1:03:02] I watched this film a few days ago.

[1:03:04] It was a painful experience.

[1:03:07] So I just want to talk about a better aspect of British culture,

[1:03:11] and asks you, when are we going to get some analysis

[1:03:14] on slang, or at the very least, when two worlds collide?

[1:03:19] Oh, I've forgotten the name now.

[1:03:21] You're asking about Slon?

[1:03:23] Slang.

[1:03:24] Slang?

[1:03:26] The album After Adrenaline.

[1:03:28] Oh, shit, okay.

[1:03:30] Everyone else, what's your favorite Def Leppard song?

[1:03:32] So sometimes when a band like Def Leppard

[1:03:35] has made hit after hit after hit,

[1:03:39] sometimes you've got to get a bad one out of you, you know?

[1:03:42] That one's slang, which is how we pronounce it.

[1:03:47] And, yeah, it's kind of a bummer.

[1:03:50] But I feel like they turned it around a little bit in Euphoria,

[1:03:53] you know, like, not the show Euphoria, the album by Def Leppard.

[1:03:58] But, yeah, I mean, it's a bummer, and that's okay.

[1:04:02] I feel like it makes the other ones feel better by comparison.

[1:04:07] I don't know, you have no standards for leopards that can't even hear.

[1:04:10] It's making music.

[1:04:12] Yeah, it's amazing.

[1:04:14] It's the Beethoven of leopards.

[1:04:19] I think it's about three or four years I've been waiting for that closure.

[1:04:25] I was, like, this close to buying a Def Leppard sweatshirt at Primark today.

[1:04:32] So I'm Mark, last name withheld.

[1:04:34] I saw this film at 17 when it came out in the cinema.

[1:04:37] I paid for this.

[1:04:39] I mean, you really pay when you watch it, yeah.

[1:04:42] And I think as a kid I loved movies,

[1:04:44] and this was the first film I saw just like you with Christmas Vacation.

[1:04:47] I came out of it and was like, holy shit, films can be bad.

[1:04:50] Like, I had the same experience.

[1:04:52] So I think my question is, what was something you saw in a film,

[1:04:55] could be recent, could be much further back,

[1:04:57] but that you saw and was like,

[1:04:59] this broke something I always believed about films.

[1:05:02] It could be good or bad.

[1:05:05] That's a very good question that I wish I had time to think about.

[1:05:08] We're under the gun here.

[1:05:09] Whenever we get a good question, I'm like, oh, no.

[1:05:11] No, no, no, no.

[1:05:15] I mean, I don't know.

[1:05:17] This is not something that I saw.

[1:05:19] Well, it's something I've seen recently,

[1:05:20] but it's a movie that I saw a long time ago also.

[1:05:22] Recently my wife and I went to go see a screening of the movie The Fall,

[1:05:25] directed by Tarzan Singh,

[1:05:26] which we saw when we were first dating when it came out in theaters the first time.

[1:05:29] And it's an amazing movie.

[1:05:30] And that's one of those movies where, like,

[1:05:32] it's a movie that is so kind of so pretentiously up its own butt at times,

[1:05:39] but it's so beautiful.

[1:05:40] And there's things in that movie where I'm like, oh,

[1:05:42] I didn't know you could make a movie like this.

[1:05:43] This movie that is like the story is kind of feels like it's being made up as it

[1:05:48] goes along to a certain extent.

[1:05:50] And there's a child performer in it who is clearly an amateur,

[1:05:53] but she's so charismatic.

[1:05:54] And she's she's Lee Pace, right?

[1:05:57] Well, she's holding her own with Lee Pace.

[1:05:59] So, yeah, Lee Pace, the child performer.

[1:06:00] And but like and then you're watching images in it where you're like,

[1:06:03] how did they make that image?

[1:06:04] Like, how do they do that?

[1:06:05] And so it's that's one where I'm like, I'm like, oh,

[1:06:07] there's stuff they're doing in this movie that like I've never seen before.

[1:06:10] And I really love it.

[1:06:11] It's one of those movies where you show it to someone and half the time

[1:06:13] they're like, what am I watching?

[1:06:15] Like, what are you doing to me?

[1:06:16] So I think for me,

[1:06:19] I remember loving a lot of like Hong Kong cinema and martial arts movies like

[1:06:23] Jet Li and Chow Yun-Fat.

[1:06:26] And then when when they started coming over and doing American English

[1:06:30] language stuff, I'm like, man, this is terrible.

[1:06:33] And it's because they, you know, it's it's realizing like, oh,

[1:06:36] these actors who are such great performers in the hands of somebody who

[1:06:39] doesn't know how to make a good movie is not good.

[1:06:42] It's they're wasted.

[1:06:44] I wish I had an answer, but I don't.

[1:06:47] And so in the interest of moving us along, I won't try.

[1:06:50] But if you can catch me afterwards, I'll think of something.

[1:06:55] One more.

[1:06:56] He does mean catch like he's going to run away.

[1:06:58] Yeah.

[1:06:59] Catch me if you can.

[1:07:03] We have one last question.

[1:07:05] Shit.

[1:07:06] A lot of pressure.

[1:07:07] Sorry, I'm allowed to swear.

[1:07:08] Oh, wow.

[1:07:09] Okay.

[1:07:10] Calm down, sir.

[1:07:11] Sir, please.

[1:07:12] You don't really have to rush.

[1:07:13] No microphone.

[1:07:14] All right.

[1:07:15] First off, I just want to say thanks so much, guys,

[1:07:16] for coming over here for the first time ever.

[1:07:19] Thanks for everyone here.

[1:07:21] Thanks so much.

[1:07:22] Thanks for just taking our brains away from themselves

[1:07:25] when we listen to you guys for hours after hours,

[1:07:27] over and over and over again.

[1:07:29] Question time.

[1:07:30] I've got one and a half questions.

[1:07:31] Uh-oh.

[1:07:32] The half question I'll go with first.

[1:07:34] Elliot, have you gone to the Popeyes over there?

[1:07:37] No.

[1:07:39] I promised my wife I would not go to the Popeyes while I was here.

[1:07:42] What?

[1:07:43] She said, I'll be so mad at you if you spend time in England going to Popeyes,

[1:07:47] a place that we have in our neighborhood that you go to already too much.

[1:07:51] Popeyes is rare over here.

[1:07:53] When you walk into the one in your neighborhood, they're like,

[1:07:56] hey, it's like Norm and Cheers.

[1:07:58] Exactly.

[1:07:59] The huge Mr. K, you know it.

[1:08:02] I say break that promise, go to the Popeyes.

[1:08:05] Do you?

[1:08:06] Proper question, though.

[1:08:07] I've got to go.

[1:08:08] This film apparently had like half an hour of cut material.

[1:08:11] I believe the next film also had about half an hour of cut material.

[1:08:15] One of my favorite films, Events Horizon,

[1:08:17] apparently secretly had half an hour of cut material.

[1:08:20] Do you guys have any films that you've heard,

[1:08:22] there's like this secret extra cut material that doesn't exist anywhere in the world

[1:08:27] that you'd love to see?

[1:08:28] I mean, the classic one, there's a lost version of the Magnificent Ambersons

[1:08:32] that I would love to see as it was originally intended.

[1:08:37] I mean, because I love the movie as it exists,

[1:08:39] so I doubt very much that the original vision of Orson Welles

[1:08:46] was worse than what we got.

[1:08:49] This is the other classic one.

[1:08:50] I want to see that seven, eight, nine hour Greed that Eric Von Stroheim made.

[1:08:54] And they were like, what are you doing?

[1:08:56] And they were like, you have to cut this to an hour and a half.

[1:08:59] And he cut it down.

[1:09:00] He's like, four hours is the best I can do.

[1:09:02] And then they fired him.

[1:09:03] But I'd really love to sit through that

[1:09:05] because there's a restored version of Greed

[1:09:08] that's like three and a half hours long or so,

[1:09:10] and they just use stills for all those scenes.

[1:09:12] And it's amazing.

[1:09:13] It's an amazing movie even as remnants.

[1:09:16] I'm just learning that you can cut stuff out of movies now.

[1:09:20] Stuart thought it actually happened, yeah.

[1:09:22] I'll have to think of something later.

[1:09:24] Stuart thinks that movies are just shot.

[1:09:28] Thank you so much.

[1:09:30] Thank you to everyone here.

[1:09:34] Thank you to the St. Audio Podcast Festival.

[1:09:37] Thank you to Oxford Town Hall.

[1:09:39] We've got another one coming up.

[1:09:41] Thank you again.

[1:09:42] I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:09:44] I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:09:45] I'm Elliot Kalin.

[1:09:47] Thank you, everybody.

[1:10:00] space I think I think this is this is probably the nicest room we've been in

[1:10:08] right yeah I know by far the nicest room yeah what about when we played the Las

[1:10:13] Vegas sphere what about that wait or did I dream that you're thinking of you too

[1:10:19] oh right that was not us it's gonna be so cool when we play the sphere and they

[1:10:24] play that with no sound all on the sphere it'll be amazing um thank you for

[1:10:31] being here this is the first time we've been well not been in the UK we've all

[1:10:35] been in the UK a third of the way through that sentence without having to

[1:10:39] add a proviso the first time we've done a show outside of the continental North

[1:10:48] America that's true yep yeah so thank you we brought we brought we brought all

[1:10:57] of our gay a game England material that's like we're pad podcasting on the

[1:11:02] other side of the stage I wrote Sam I don't have any more England material

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Ep.#439 - The Avengers (1998), LIVE!

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