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The Flop House_ Episode #43 - Righteous Kill
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De Niro, Pacino, Gugino, Neutrino, Maraschino, Gran Torino.
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We discuss Righteous Kill.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Stuart R. Wellington, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
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Robert De Niro is also in a very kind of brutal sex relationship with Carla Gugino who is
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a forensics person with the police and there are also two other detectives, John Leguizamo
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and Donnie Wahlberg.
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He is the police chief and that's the entirety of the police of New York City is this group.
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There's someone who's killing criminals who beat the charges and didn't go to jail and
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leaving cryptic poems describing the people's crimes on the body that opens with Robert
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De Niro confessing to these crimes and continues to confess throughout the film in fuzzy black
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and white video footage but things may not be as they seem.
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Robert De Niro is like the loose cannon cop who beats people up and Al Pacino is like
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the loose cannon cop who plays chess and makes wisecracks.
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They're both bad at being cops.
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They're both too old.
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Should I give away the ending?
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Should I say what happened?
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No, please.
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Keep going.
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Well, you think there are a couple of red herrings.
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They go through a lot of rigmarole to try and find the killer and at the end and you
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think it's...
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Well, you have to clarify at a certain point they think, I know who's doing this.
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It's got to be a cop.
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Yeah, it's got to be a cop.
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A maniac cop if you will.
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They don't say maniac cop but they should have and John Leguizamo says, I think it was
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Robert De Niro who did it and it would have been a better movie if they referred to each
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other by their real names.
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It would have made more sense.
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I bet it was actor Robert De Niro who did it.
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I think Robert De Niro did it and they set up a sting operation and they catch Robert
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De Niro but it turns out he's not the guy who did it.
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But what was that scene before that when they were waiting in the car and that weird guy
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came out of nowhere?
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That was Robert De Niro.
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It seemed like he was trying to throw them off the track.
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So he said...
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Please explain this to me.
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I just saw this movie.
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He's like, it's not a cop.
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It's not a cop.
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It's not a cop.
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And they're like, no, it's a cop.
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It's a cop.
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It's a cop.
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It's not a cop.
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That seems to be the whole script of the movie.
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Those were literally...
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John Legge was on it.
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A lot of the movie is people shouting the same phrases over and over at each other.
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At the simultaneously.
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With overlapping Altman-esque dialogue.
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And ketchup in the background.
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And there's a lot of bottles of ketchup sitting on tables.
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But De Niro says to them, you think it's a cop.
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Well, here's a cop who got fired and he thinks he got a bum deal and he was involved in all
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these cases.
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He was around at the time.
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Maybe he did it.
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So they go to find that guy and he says, I've got an alibi.
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And he disappears from the film.
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That's what it was.
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Wait, he was in Brazil?
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Not the movie.
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Not the movie Brazil.
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I was in Brazil.
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I was in Brazil.
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I met up with Terry, Gilliam, and we hit it off.
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But at the end, it turns...
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So they think Robert De Niro did it.
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Robert De Niro seems pretty suspicious.
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He's in a relationship with Carl Gugino where they rape each other.
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Well, no, no, no.
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He rapes her.
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It's not that equitable.
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It's really horrible.
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One is dominant and one is submissive.
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It's really horrible.
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And Robert De Niro is not the submissive in the relationship.
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No.
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But I think he is the submissive.
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Well, the thing is, he plays...
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Well, isn't the Dom really not the one in control of the submissives?
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Well, that's the thing.
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He plays the dominant role in the game.
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But it's very obvious that he does what Carl Gugino wants him to do.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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And that he doesn't like this necessarily.
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This is what she wants to do.
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But in the end, it turns out Al Pacino did it the whole time.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, no.
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It was the other character who did it.
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There were two main characters.
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And the one that you thought did it didn't do it.
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Yeah.
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And thus, it was the other main character who did it.
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And Al Pacino makes Robert De Niro read from his crazy person confession notebook.
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And that's why...
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That his therapist gave him.
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That his therapist gave him.
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The police therapist.
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Then Robert De Niro shoots Al Pacino reluctantly.
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And the movie is over.
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The end.
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The end.
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It's a really...
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And Robert De Niro, even though he was a brutal, aggressive cop,
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redeems himself by coaching a girls' softball team at the end.
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I don't understand.
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Now that we've summarized, we can dig into the meat of this.
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Oh, the meat of this.
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The meat in a little girls' softball team.
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I really don't understand.
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Let's just say this was a terrible movie.
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Everything about it is bad.
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Two of the most...
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Two of the legendary actors of the second half of the 20th century.
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Right.
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And one of stage.
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And they both are shit in it.
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And they're really bad.
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And they have no chemistry.
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And they're just old, bad, not good, bad things.
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Old banks.
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Well, let's not jump ahead of ourselves.
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Sorry.
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Let's not...
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Let's not...
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Yeah.
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She lights up the screen.
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She does light up the screen.
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Whenever she's on.
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I mean, she's a beautiful woman.
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She's got an old-world, classic style of looks.
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You don't find that so many of these slutty stars these days.
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It means that he enjoys her curves.
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That's what Elliot is saying.
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Well, that's part of it.
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But also just like the way her face looks is not...
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Yeah.
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It looks like...
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You could see pictures of her and think they were from the 40s.
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She's very pretty.
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That's the way her face is shaped.
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And a talented actress.
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But not necessarily in this movie.
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No.
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Not at her own fault.
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She's still better than De Niro and Pacino, but everyone in it is bad.
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That's true.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I would agree with that.
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But to go back to the girls' softball.
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Oh, but to go...
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Why is that in this movie?
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Because he's coaching...
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That's a question that I had from the start.
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He was coaching the police soft...
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The NYPD softball team.
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Right.
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For his precinct, at least.
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Right.
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And I think this was a sign that he's given up his aggressive ways.
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We see him getting into a fight...
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Oh, yes.
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...with the umpire.
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This is...
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He's given it up.
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Now he's giving back to the children.
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It's the future next generation.
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Maybe he and Carla Gugino are going to have some kids who go to college when he's dead,
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because he'll be in his 90s.
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Right.
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That's a dream.
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It's the American dream.
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I think he's let go of the past, and now he's free to be around children.
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Yeah, let's...
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Okay.
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He's free to be around children.
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Yeah.
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As we all hope to be one day, I guess.
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He's free to be you and me.
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Let's get back to the fact that Carla Gugino not only enjoys rough sex, but she enjoys
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rough sex with a man approximately twice her age.
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Yeah.
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Definitely old enough to be her father.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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That's a good point.
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I agree.
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For adults it's about the same.
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Yeah.
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There's a scale of...
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Of old?
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Of Hollywood relationships.
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It's not as bad as Larry King and his wife.
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Right.
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I wouldn't know about that.
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There's probably a bigger age difference between Michael Douglas and Katharizena Jones than
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between these two.
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They're 30 years apart.
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But the difference is we don't have to see it on film all the time.
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We will, though.
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But we don't...
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We don't have to see them enacting their rape fantasy on film.
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Yeah, right.
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The rape fantasy aspect of it is very distasteful.
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It's very strange.
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Well look, you know...
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No, no, no.
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Whatever gets you off behind closed doors, I just don't want to see Robert De Niro pertaining
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to rape Carla Gugino on film.
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That is not something that I want projected onto my eyeballs and then, therefore, into
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my brain.
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Yeah.
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We have to say that it's not like there's a graphic scene.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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It's just the implication of it is horrifying.
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Right.
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Of that relationship.
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I'm going to say this.
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I didn't really like Meet the Parents at all.
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But then after seeing...
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I am with you.
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But after seeing this movie, I find Robert De Niro's character in that a lot more easy
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to watch.
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Well, can I say something about Meet the Parents?
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Yes.
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Oh, please do.
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And then let's talk about something about Righteous Kill that's not rape related.
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Or about 50 Cent.
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Okay.
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Think about...
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Yeah, 50 Cent is in this movie, too.
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50.
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As a drug dealer club owner named Spider.
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Spider.
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Anyway.
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Meet the Parents, like, falls into this weird...
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Because everyone's named after an animal in this movie.
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Yeah.
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I didn't realize that until I saw the video.
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See, and the birds, the two bird police officers eat the arachnid spider.
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What?
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It's a stretch.
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But it could work.
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They should have called me Cricket.
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It's a stretch in the way that a bad screenwriter might have thought of that.
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Yeah, there you go.
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That makes sense.
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And deliberately done it.
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But Meet the Parents, it falls in that category of comedy where I actually enjoy the comedy
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of awkwardness, you know, like the original Office or it's ilk.
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But what I don't enjoy is a comedy that's entirely based on the idea that you're going
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to be a bad cop.
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And I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like that.
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You know, it's, it's a stretch in the way that a bad screenwriter might have thought
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of that.
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Right.
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So it's comically done, but it falls in that category of comedy where I actually enjoy
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the comedy of awkwardness, you know, like the original Office or its ilk.
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But what I don't enjoy is a comedy that's entirely based around a good-hearted person
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having their life systematically ruined in some way.
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And Meet the Parents just seemed to be like, okay, well, we're introduced to Sweet Ben
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Stiller, who wants to marry this lady, his lady friend, we will see him embarrass over
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and over again.
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Yeah.
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I don't like the vacation movies.
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Yeah.
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Oh, really?
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It's like, you know.
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The Christmas Vacation?
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What do you mean?
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Christmas Vacation is the worst one.
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Oh, no.
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I actually like that film.
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But it's the same thing where it's like...
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The worst one in a series that includes Vegas Vacation.
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Right.
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Come on now.
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Oh, I forgot about Vegas Vacation.
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Christmas Vacation is the second worst one.
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Okay.
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Where Chevy Chase is not a bad guy.
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No.
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Like, he's not a great guy.
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It's just, he, it's like, oh, I can't wait to take my family on vacation.
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And apparently that is the biggest crime you can commit in the universe.
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Well, when you're trying to go to Wally World.
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Yes.
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Oh, by the way, Mr. John Hughes.
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Oh, he passed away, didn't he?
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Yeah.
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You really don't want to talk about Righteous Kid.
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I just want to say, you know, the man wrote Vacation.
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And he also wrote the National Lampoon story that Vacation was based on.
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Oh, I didn't realize that.
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He wrote a lot of stuff.
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You should look it up on the internet because it's interesting to see.
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I mean, like, he obviously, he wrote the story and he wrote the screenplay, so it's not that
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strange that they're in line.
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But you rarely see, like, a five-page story that is so closely aligned to the movie that
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was later made of it.
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So in memoriam, John Hughes.
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Oh, what a fitting memorial.
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Why don't you go online?
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This brief mention.
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I'm sure that's all he ever wanted.
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Yeah.
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I will say about that.
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Someone said to me today that they don't like Ferris Bueller's Day Off because his parents
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are so nice to him.
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There's no reason for him to mess with them.
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He's not really messing with them.
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I would say he's not messing with them.
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And also, like, they're not very good parents.
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Like even if they're nice, they have no idea what's going on with him.
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And they're not great to the sister.
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Yeah, they're not good.
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They're very bad to the sister.
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That's true.
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Like...
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Well, the sister's Jennifer Grey.
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What?
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Oh.
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Oh.
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So that's just supposed to excuse her.
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Wow.
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Interesting.
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And she makes out with Charlie Sheen.
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So she gets what's coming to her.
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We just recapped Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
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The important points of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
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Anyway.
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See, that's what happens when you don't go through a plot in detail.
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People think the movie is about Jennifer Grey and Charlie Sheen's relationship.
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Yep.
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So Righteous Kill is a bad movie.
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It's very poorly shot, it's very poorly edited, it's very poorly written.
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It's completely confusing, too.
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And it doesn't, and it's, well, if you're talking through it, it makes it more confusing.
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We've learned that on the fly, guys.
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But it is confusing.
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Like, the characters do things illogically for, you know, and have no reason for it.
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Things happen, and you don't know why.
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And it's because the movie is trying to create a sense of suspense in you.
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But it just comes off as like, wait, why did we see that?
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Yeah.
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Why did that happen?
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Well, De Niro gets super agitated by the idea that it might be a cop who's behind all these killings.
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And this is obviously a red herring to make us think, okay, De Niro did it.
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That along with the fact that we first see him confessing.
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Right.
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That was the larger red herring.
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But it's never really explained why he's so agitated, other than, I guess, you are supposed to assume
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he just has pride in being a police officer.
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Maybe.
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Or maybe he has an idea that Rooster did it.
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I don't know.
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But you can't kill the Rooster.
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Al Pacino's character has one of the great quirks of movies, which is that he's full of stupid trivia.
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And as someone who's full of stupid trivia, like, I can understand.
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But it's like, there's a scene where he's talking to Brian Dennehy.
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And Brian Dennehy's like, it's going to take two light years to do this.
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And he goes, actually, chief, light years are a measure of distance.
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Not of time.
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It's like, great.
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Who cares?
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Why is...
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The thing about the light years, though, like, I feel like that, again, is like the screenwriter at home,
[21:36]
like, working through the Righteous Kill screenplay, like, working on it, working on it.
[21:40]
And then, like, he takes a break to watch Star Wars.
[21:44]
And he's annoyed all over again at the use of parsecs as a unit of time.
[21:49]
He's like, I'm going to write something in.
[21:51]
That isn't that.
[21:53]
But it's very close.
[21:53]
But it's similar to that.
[21:55]
And then that'll show George Lucas.
[21:57]
Yeah.
[21:58]
And the world.
[21:59]
Retroactively.
[22:01]
But it's such a poorly...
[22:03]
Like, the editing in the movie is bad.
[22:05]
And it's incoherent at times.
[22:08]
But also, like, it's one of those movies that feels...
[22:10]
It's like, we better make this look dynamic.
[22:12]
So we'll throw all sorts of crazy shit around.
[22:14]
And the camera will whoosh for no reason.
[22:16]
Except for it's always whooshing to something really ugly.
[22:19]
Yes.
[22:19]
I've never seen so much linoleum in a movie.
[22:22]
So much, like, just ugly tiling.
[22:24]
Parking lots.
[22:24]
It reminds me of when 12 Monkeys came out.
[22:27]
I remember seeing that and thinking at the time, like, the world this movie is in is really ugly.
[22:34]
But it was ugly in a way like it's supposed to be because it's, you know, society is crumbling to a certain extent.
[22:40]
So even the scenes set in the present don't look very...
[22:42]
You know, the settings don't look very good.
[22:44]
But the movie is still shot well.
[22:46]
So, like, you know that the world looks ugly, but the movie is not ugly.
[22:51]
Whereas this, it's like everything looks ugly and it's shot ugly.
[22:54]
Yeah, everything has a fluorescent light.
[22:56]
Yeah, linoleum, like you were saying, or just, like, crappy.
[23:00]
This film is just trying to tell us...
[23:02]
In the climax of the film, Robert De Niro is wearing baggy sweatpants and a baggy sweat...
[23:08]
Hooded sweatshirt, all gray with sweat stains on it.
[23:10]
He looks like a grandmother out for a power walk.
[23:14]
Yeah.
[23:16]
That's probably what that amounted to.
[23:18]
He should be walking around a mall at 6.30 a.m.
[23:21]
Well, the look of this movie is telling us, Elliot, that the world is a cesspool.
[23:24]
I guess so.
[23:26]
It's an insight fitting to, like, a 7th grader.
[23:30]
It is a movie that hates people.
[23:33]
There's all these parts where De Niro is, like...
[23:35]
You're hearing voiceover of him talking about how he killed people.
[23:38]
And it's him reading Al Pacino's notes, but you don't know that.
[23:40]
It sounds like his inner monologue.
[23:42]
And he's talking about how, like, he sees crime everywhere.
[23:44]
And the whole time you're just like, oh, Taxi Driver was such a good movie.
[23:49]
This is so not as good as that.
[23:50]
Why am I watching this?
[23:52]
I could be watching that movie.
[23:53]
Or Meet the Parents.
[23:55]
Yeah.
[23:56]
I could be watching The Swap, one of his other early bad films.
[24:00]
I've never seen The Swap.
[24:01]
Well, don't. It's not very good.
[24:02]
Oh, okay. All right.
[24:03]
So, Megan, I bet that...
[24:05]
I could be watching Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
[24:07]
I bet that Al Pacino had a really good reason for killing all those people.
[24:11]
I mean, like, he was a cop.
[24:12]
And then to, like, turn around and kill everybody,
[24:15]
I bet he must have had a really good reason.
[24:16]
So, what was that?
[24:18]
Um, oh.
[24:21]
Elliot, what was it?
[24:22]
Uh, it seems to me that he was crazy.
[24:25]
Oh, that's it. He was crazy.
[24:27]
Well, technically, he says early in the film,
[24:29]
he and Robert De Niro planted a gun on a suspect
[24:32]
who was going to get off because he had a fake alibi,
[24:35]
but they knew he did it.
[24:36]
Right.
[24:36]
And he says at the end to Robert De Niro,
[24:39]
you were my idol.
[24:40]
You were the best cop I'd ever seen.
[24:42]
Oh, that's right.
[24:42]
When you planted that gun.
[24:43]
This guy's good.
[24:44]
Yeah, see, and I don't have to pay that close attention to it.
[24:47]
When you planted that gun, I lost faith.
[24:49]
Yeah, that was it.
[24:50]
You showed me that cops can be bad, too.
[24:52]
So, I decided to kill people, and it turned out I enjoyed doing it.
[24:55]
So, he is crazy.
[24:56]
It's just a dumb.
[24:57]
So, that's why, Dan.
[24:58]
That's why he did it.
[24:59]
But, oh, that's why he started.
[25:00]
Okay, the fall from grace.
[25:02]
So, the fact that his partner set someone up
[25:07]
meant that then thereafter, he had to shoot a bunch of people.
[25:11]
Well, I guess that there was no law.
[25:13]
They were outside of the law.
[25:14]
It's vigilante justice.
[25:15]
So, he stared into the abyss and realized.
[25:18]
Not only did the abyss stare back.
[25:19]
And he shot the wrong Ruski.
[25:22]
He did shoot the wrong Ruski.
[25:24]
He shoots, one of these guys is a Russian criminal,
[25:27]
and he shoots him six times and fails to kill him.
[25:30]
He just puts him in the hospital where there's like an Indian doctor
[25:34]
who's very impressed at how many bullets he took out of this guy.
[25:38]
Who's the Indian guy from office space?
[25:40]
It was it?
[25:41]
Yeah.
[25:42]
Oh, I didn't realize that.
[25:42]
Samir.
[25:43]
Yeah, he's great.
[25:44]
I think he's great in office.
[25:45]
I mean, he's very good in his film, too.
[25:46]
Was he Indian or is he Arab?
[25:48]
Oh, good question.
[25:51]
I don't know.
[25:52]
You've exposed our racism.
[25:54]
I don't think I've exposed our oblivious whiteness.
[25:56]
Basically.
[25:57]
Definitely.
[25:58]
Wait, wait, wait.
[26:00]
I just realized I'm the only non-Irishman at this table.
[26:02]
Wait, are you guys white?
[26:03]
Oh, you're not Irish?
[26:05]
Get out.
[26:07]
The Irish were, you know, spat upon.
[26:10]
That's right.
[26:11]
Boo-hoo.
[26:12]
By the river.
[26:14]
Jewish people have had it pretty easy.
[26:17]
We were the minority before we knew the word for it.
[26:20]
A while back.
[26:21]
That's right.
[26:22]
Yeah.
[26:23]
Anyway.
[26:24]
Not today.
[26:25]
Not today.
[26:26]
Not today where we have every advantage.
[26:27]
That's right.
[26:28]
Because we knew how to do one thing well, and that's procreate.
[26:30]
In America, we have so much racial strife.
[26:32]
I didn't mean to reopen these wounds.
[26:34]
You did.
[26:35]
What you meant to talk about was the guy's method of trying to get someone out of a coma.
[26:40]
This Russian guy seems to be in a coma, and one of the cops just goes up to him and goes,
[26:44]
Hey.
[26:45]
Hey.
[26:46]
Hey.
[26:47]
Literally.
[26:48]
Just like putting his fingers up in front of him and snapping.
[26:51]
Hey.
[26:52]
Hey.
[26:53]
Hey.
[26:54]
And I wanted the doctor to be like, Oh, we haven't tried that.
[26:56]
Thanks.
[26:57]
Thanks for your miracle cure.
[26:59]
The sarcastic doctor.
[27:01]
Oh, the snapping fingers.
[27:04]
Oh, great.
[27:05]
We were busy using a defibrillator.
[27:08]
That's first year medical school.
[27:10]
I can't believe I forgot about it.
[27:12]
Where are my smelling salts?
[27:14]
Doesn't matter.
[27:15]
I've got these fingers with me all the time.
[27:17]
When I was applying the adrenaline to keep his heart beating, I forgot to say, Hey.
[27:20]
Hey.
[27:21]
Hey.
[27:22]
Oh, that was a good one.
[27:24]
Now there's beer in my nose now.
[27:26]
I don't know.
[27:27]
Irish.
[27:28]
Don't worry about it.
[27:29]
It'll just be absorbed into my bloodstream all the faster.
[27:32]
Oh, and now that you say that in my nose, I'm thinking about the girl.
[27:37]
The girl who was using cocaine.
[27:39]
With the primo cocaine that Spider gave her.
[27:44]
That's the only word she used to describe it.
[27:46]
Primo.
[27:47]
Primo.
[27:48]
Yeah.
[27:49]
She's a high class lawyer who is also a coke addict.
[27:51]
That's right.
[27:52]
The whole house of cards started tumbling down was this woman.
[27:57]
It feels like, literally, it feels like we watched 13 episodes of a TV show.
[28:02]
An hour long drama.
[28:03]
And I'm like, Oh yeah, that happened at the beginning of season one of Righteous Kill.
[28:08]
They're cutting up the cocaine in the men's bathroom.
[28:11]
This is a movie that's what, an hour and 45 minutes long?
[28:13]
And it feels like it's...
[28:14]
It's epic.
[28:15]
I think like 10,000 BC or Seven Pounds were the only movies that felt like they took more time than this.
[28:21]
But the woman offers De Niro some cocaine.
[28:26]
He's in the bathroom of a hip hop club.
[28:28]
Right.
[28:29]
In Harlem.
[28:30]
The 404 Club.
[28:31]
That used to be a bank.
[28:32]
And it's run by Spider.
[28:33]
That's right.
[28:34]
Who's 50 Cent.
[28:35]
And now that that happened, De Niro can use her as an informant.
[28:39]
That's right.
[28:40]
Like wire her up.
[28:41]
Put her in with Spider.
[28:43]
And I found this very interesting because apparently, in the world of Righteous Kill,
[28:50]
very wealthy, high-powered corporate lawyers get their drugs directly from the drug kingpin.
[28:56]
In person.
[28:57]
Yeah.
[28:58]
They go...
[28:59]
Four ounces.
[29:00]
Their buddies, they're like, Hey Spider, let me in.
[29:01]
They're like, Oh, okay, I'll let you into my...
[29:03]
My sanctum sanctorum.
[29:04]
Yeah.
[29:05]
Where, by the way, the police are just next door.
[29:08]
The police seem to have rented out a parking space above his place in the building.
[29:13]
It's like he had a loft for rent and the police rented it out and he doesn't understand how they keep busting him.
[29:20]
They just have cups up to the wall with their ear on one side.
[29:24]
Even closer than the lives of others.
[29:26]
Fancy.
[29:27]
Fancy.
[29:28]
Great movie.
[29:29]
It's no Righteous Kill.
[29:30]
It's no Righteous Kill.
[29:31]
No, Righteous Kill's in a class of its own.
[29:33]
Yeah, they send her to wear a wire to catch Spider selling her drugs and things don't go so well.
[29:38]
They don't go as planned.
[29:39]
Yeah.
[29:40]
That's for sure.
[29:41]
But she gets shot in the shoulder and she takes it in stride.
[29:43]
She's a corporate lawyer.
[29:44]
She just bleeds from the mouth a little bit.
[29:46]
She had so much Primo stuff in her system that she didn't even feel it.
[29:49]
The thing was, like, she didn't die.
[29:52]
No, she was fine.
[29:53]
She was fine.
[29:54]
She went to the hospital.
[29:55]
There was a shot of her reading a book, kind of irritatingly, like, uh, I gotta read a book now that I'm in the hospital.
[30:00]
The hospital.
[30:00]
And I can only turn it with my left hand.
[30:03]
So she didn't even serve the plot motivation of giving
[30:07]
De Niro a reason to be enraged about him.
[30:10]
He's a mad dog.
[30:11]
He's like a pit bull on crack.
[30:12]
And then she just sort of disappears.
[30:14]
As they said.
[30:14]
Yeah, she disappears because she's not necessary anymore.
[30:17]
Well, to be fair, what were they going to keep her around
[30:19]
in the plot for?
[30:20]
Like, she wants revenge on Spider?
[30:22]
That's also a scene where maybe she would be drawn
[30:24]
into Carly Gugino's sex games.
[30:27]
Or maybe I'm just influenced by the fact that because of a
[30:31]
Time Warner cable screw up, I now have Cinemax in my house.
[30:36]
Free Cinemax.
[30:36]
For a month.
[30:37]
So everything is a potential set up for some sort of
[30:41]
devious sex game.
[30:43]
Or some kind of pornographic parody of a recent Hollywood
[30:46]
blockbuster film shot in someone's
[30:48]
backyard slash rec room.
[30:49]
Or not so recent, like Playmate of the Apes.
[30:54]
Yeah, that's true.
[30:55]
That is a parody of the Planet of the Apes series as a whole.
[30:58]
Or the movie Tarzina, Jiggle in the Jungle, which I'm not
[31:01]
even sure what it is.
[31:03]
Is it spoofing a Tarzan film?
[31:05]
Is it spoofing Sheena, which is early 80s?
[31:09]
I have to assume that since Tar is in the name,
[31:11]
that it's Tarzan that they're spoofing.
[31:13]
But what Tarzan movie are they spoofing?
[31:15]
Are they spoofing the animated film?
[31:17]
The one with Casper Van Dyne, Tarzan in the Lost City,
[31:20]
or whatever it was called.
[31:21]
Tarzan at the Center of the Earth.
[31:22]
I thought maybe they were spoofing Greystoke.
[31:26]
Yeah, Greystoke, The Legend of Tarzan.
[31:28]
The Legend of Greystoke, whatever it was called.
[31:30]
Megan, eyes are glazing over.
[31:32]
Yeah, I don't know the Tarzan movies.
[31:34]
Nor do I know these homemade movies.
[31:37]
Let me explain the rec rooms, et cetera.
[31:39]
This is a very low-budget softcore porn company
[31:42]
that we're talking about.
[31:43]
No, I think she doesn't know the Tarzan films.
[31:45]
Oh, OK.
[31:46]
Well, I don't know those either.
[31:47]
Johnny Weissmuller, Olympic swimmer.
[31:49]
He starred in many of these.
[31:50]
The first one was directed by WS Van Dyke, Woody Van Dyke.
[31:54]
And these are the low-budget.
[31:56]
Mia Farrow's mom is the spoofing Tarzan.
[31:58]
Really?
[31:58]
The ape man on the spoofing Tarzan and his mage.
[32:00]
Well, Mia Farrow's mom played Jane in the old Tarzan.
[32:02]
Oh.
[32:03]
No, no, no.
[32:03]
I was wondering about the porns made from it.
[32:06]
Oh, that's a company called what?
[32:08]
Seduction Cinema is the name of it?
[32:09]
I thought you were going to say Mia Farrow's mother
[32:12]
was in the porn.
[32:13]
No, no.
[32:14]
And that would just be strange.
[32:15]
I don't know that she made any movies
[32:16]
after Hannah and her sisters.
[32:17]
Tarzan and his maid, by the way.
[32:18]
Mia Farrow's mom is in that?
[32:19]
Yeah, she plays Mia Farrow's mom.
[32:21]
Oh, what a stretch.
[32:24]
But anyway, I was going to say the scene where
[32:26]
this informant gets shot involves 50 Cent knows
[32:31]
she's wearing a wire.
[32:32]
That's right.
[32:32]
So the cops force, they go, we've got to get her.
[32:35]
And they force their way in.
[32:37]
He's like, the Calvary's here.
[32:39]
They rang the doorbell.
[32:40]
They rang the doorbell.
[32:41]
And the guy's like, no, I'm not letting you in.
[32:43]
They're like, come on, we just want to talk.
[32:44]
He's like, OK, I'll let you in.
[32:46]
And he lets them in.
[32:46]
He's like, I know what to look for and where to look for it.
[32:49]
And 50 Cent has a big, fat bodyguard.
[32:52]
Yes.
[32:53]
The character's name apparently is Stubby, according
[32:57]
to the credits, or Stubbs.
[32:58]
And the man who played him is named Fatso.
[33:01]
Is that true?
[33:01]
According to the credits.
[33:02]
Unless there's another character.
[33:04]
Unless that's Brian Dennehy's new stage name.
[33:06]
He's a large man.
[33:07]
I think you should go for it.
[33:08]
It's bold.
[33:09]
He's adopting the name of Dom DeLuise.
[33:12]
Dom DeLuise isn't using it.
[33:15]
So they go to get her.
[33:18]
50 Cent gives her up.
[33:19]
They're leaving.
[33:20]
And he goes, hey, here's your wire back.
[33:23]
And throws it to them in the air.
[33:25]
And as Al Pacino goes to catch it,
[33:27]
the fat bodyguard, for some reason, pulls out his gun.
[33:30]
No, he's had his gun pulled already.
[33:32]
Well, shows himself with the gun pulled.
[33:35]
And they shoot him.
[33:36]
And she gets caught in the crossfire.
[33:38]
But it's literally one of those scenes where it's like,
[33:40]
why did everyone start shooting their guns again?
[33:42]
What was the reason for this?
[33:43]
There were three people in the room.
[33:45]
Out of those three, zero understood
[33:48]
exactly what had happened in that action sequence.
[33:51]
Why did shooting start?
[33:52]
Who started it?
[33:54]
And also, his bodyguard, he's a bodyguard for a drug dealer.
[33:57]
He's probably not a great guy.
[33:59]
But he's dead now.
[34:00]
He was killed in the line of duty.
[34:03]
That's the way the war on drugs works, Elliot.
[34:05]
I guess so.
[34:06]
And Al Pacino and Rob DeNiro, I guess
[34:08]
that's when they need to go into counseling
[34:10]
with the police psychologist.
[34:11]
That's what starts that.
[34:12]
It's very flippantly handled, like, oh, that guy's dead now.
[34:15]
And you know what?
[34:16]
This is a subplot that I didn't understand
[34:18]
until I read the Wikipedia synopsis
[34:20]
of the plot of Righteous Kill, which is the whole point
[34:25]
of them going into counseling was
[34:27]
that then they would write their feelings
[34:29]
in those little notebooks, which they both got them.
[34:32]
Got tied up because DeNiro didn't write anything
[34:34]
in his notebook because he didn't give a shit about it.
[34:37]
But Al Pacino was writing his confession the whole time.
[34:40]
But they made it look like DeNiro was writing it.
[34:42]
They put it together.
[34:44]
All the puzzle pieces fell into place.
[34:46]
By the way, all the puzzle pieces falling into place.
[34:49]
At the end of the movie, there's a sequence
[34:51]
that is the all the puzzle pieces fall into place
[34:54]
sequence.
[34:55]
And you can't see me over the medium of podcasting,
[34:58]
but I'm making air quotes.
[34:59]
Because all the puzzle pieces falling into place,
[35:01]
the montage was not like, oh, of course, he said that,
[35:05]
and that meant that.
[35:06]
It was just, now we're going to show you flashbacks of everyone
[35:09]
being shot, and we're going to show you
[35:11]
Al Pacino shooting them.
[35:13]
Yeah, because there are a couple of times when people get shot,
[35:15]
and they're like, oh, detective, it's pa-coo, pa-coo, pa-coo.
[35:18]
So you know it is a cop.
[35:20]
Oh, it's you.
[35:20]
What are you doing here?
[35:21]
Kapow, kapow.
[35:22]
Yeah.
[35:23]
Well, there's a scene where Rob...
[35:24]
He came to see me.
[35:26]
Yeah.
[35:26]
There's a scene where Carla Cugino, yeah,
[35:28]
Carla Cugino has been, well, Al Pacino also,
[35:31]
for Lord knows what reason, this makes no sense,
[35:34]
beats up and rapes Carla Cugino, or at the very least,
[35:37]
beats up and takes her clothes off.
[35:38]
There's no reason for it.
[35:40]
And then tastefully drapes a shower curtain over her.
[35:42]
But like, there's no reason for it.
[35:43]
And then she calls Brian Dennehy, and she's like,
[35:46]
he was here, and he did this.
[35:48]
And Brian Dennehy's like, if that's true,
[35:49]
well, I'll send somebody after him.
[35:51]
We'll find him.
[35:52]
Well, that's not enough.
[35:53]
I'll go get him.
[35:54]
And it's like, they're just going way out of their way
[35:56]
to avoid saying the name of the man who did it,
[35:58]
because you're not supposed to know who it was yet.
[36:00]
But it comes off as very stilted.
[36:01]
And you know, I'm just remembering,
[36:04]
in the beginning, there was the skateboarding pimp.
[36:06]
Oh, yeah, he got shot.
[36:07]
Played by Rob Rambo.
[36:10]
And they refer to him as Rambo the skateboarding pimp.
[36:13]
Played by, uh,
[36:14]
He's an insane clown posse character.
[36:16]
It really does.
[36:18]
Played by, um,
[36:20]
Rob Drydek from the reality series Robin Big.
[36:24]
He didn't do a bad job.
[36:26]
I don't know what that reality series is.
[36:27]
It's a great, it's actually very funny.
[36:29]
I don't like real life.
[36:30]
I like fiction.
[36:31]
I like Righteous Kill.
[36:32]
Fiction like Righteous Kill.
[36:34]
It was too real for me.
[36:35]
It was too real.
[36:36]
That's why we had to pretend that it was fiction.
[36:38]
Shit just got real.
[36:41]
Righteous Kill real.
[36:42]
Yeah. Boom.
[36:43]
Does anyone else have anything to say
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before we move on to the next thing?
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Don't watch this movie ever.
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Well, no.
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I feel like Werner Herzog listening to the tape
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of Timothy Treadwell being eaten by a bear,
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saying, don't ever watch this.
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We'll take this tape and burn it.
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Don't ever watch it.
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I won't, Werner.
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Yeah, the next part is where we make
[38:06]
our final judgments on the movie.
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Final judgment.
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Do-do-do-do-do-do.
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I had to do both parts because it was my turn.
[38:13]
We didn't let Megan know that some foley
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was going to be required of her.
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Yeah, yeah, sorry.
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Well, next time maybe.
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So, basically, we have three official categories,
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and those are, this is a good bad movie,
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a movie that you enjoyed in its badness,
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a bad bad movie, a movie that should only be left up to you.
[38:33]
Should only be left up to the professionals like us.
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Okay.
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Or a movie that you kind of liked,
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you found some actual redeeming quality in it.
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And so, Megan, as the guest, I'll go to you.
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I'm going to say this is a bad bad movie.
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I found no redeeming quality in it,
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and I mean, it was fun to watch
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with you two professional gentlemen,
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but I feel like-
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Professional gentlemen.
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You sound like we're escorts.
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Like we're dancers at a hall,
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and old ladies come by and pay us to dance.
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Wait, who's your guys' pimp?
[39:08]
Brambo, the skateboarding pimp?
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Elliot, I've explained this to you.
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They don't pay us to dance.
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They buy a bottle of champagne for $50.
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And we're encouraged by the help.
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Sure.
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By the management.
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That's how it works.
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I'm sorry.
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Okay, but you two professionals.
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We're taxi dancers.
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Okay.
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I just feel like the plot is so convoluted, I guess,
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and the shots are terrible.
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The story's not worth paying attention to.
[39:36]
This is a movie with-
[39:37]
John Leguizamo.
[39:38]
Is it this?
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It's a movie with a fairly straightforward story
[39:42]
that they go way out of their way to overcomplicate
[39:44]
to the point where it doesn't make sense anymore.
[39:45]
And it makes you, when you're watching,
[39:47]
it makes you think, wow.
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And makes you hurt.
[39:49]
Well, no, it just makes you think, wow,
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Al Pacino and Robert De Niro, not good actors,
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which is probably something that is not true.
[39:56]
If aliens found this-
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Well, it is true for the last 50 years.
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years maybe in human history in human history that i don't understand
[40:03]
maybe not in alien history i can see why they're making
[40:06]
this type of bad movie at their advanced age because they didn't have the talent
[40:09]
to graduate to better films by this point you know
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i gotta say yeah a bad bad movie um this director john avnet
[40:18]
also made the al pacino opus 88 minutes which is the movie again where a minor
[40:23]
plot point is that al pacino's semen has been sucked out
[40:27]
of the corpse of a woman he did have sex with
[40:29]
and then inserted into the corpse of a woman he didn't have sex with oh wow i
[40:32]
didn't i have not seen i have to say and where
[40:34]
that was also a plot point in the film presumed innocent which was not a bad
[40:38]
movie i don't know so it could be used i'm
[40:40]
saying that if that happened in a good movie i'd be like
[40:43]
that's a disturbing thing but in a bad movie it's like that's unnecessary
[40:47]
that's a disturbing it's also a movie where a man has 88 minutes left to live
[40:50]
basically and he spends much of it just hanging
[40:52]
out in his apartment with alicia witt not really doing much of anything just
[40:56]
kind of talking just hanging out just making cookies yeah well
[40:59]
and this movie was sold on like you know you loved them in heat
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you wanted to see them in heat they were together in one
[41:06]
scene in heat what if heat what if that one scene was a whole
[41:10]
movie yeah yeah and i gotta say heat's all right
[41:14]
it's about an hour too long in my opinion but it's it's a very like
[41:18]
competently made movie it's an it's it's a thrilling movie in many ways
[41:22]
this movie i had no idea what was happening from moment to moment and as
[41:26]
you said elliot they have no chemistry together actually
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pacino and deniro it's it's heat is like even if they'd never
[41:33]
made heat like this is travis bickle jake lamatta
[41:36]
meeting you know michael corleone serpico in a movie
[41:40]
like this should be even if they'd never done anything together even if they've
[41:43]
never made godfather 2 where they're in the same movie but
[41:46]
they don't have any scenes together this should have been like at least an
[41:49]
interesting thing to watch right it could have been
[41:52]
any two guys playing those parts and it would have been it would have been bad
[41:55]
stuff yeah it would have been the same movie it would not have
[41:57]
probably would have been better too like if they had like two like
[42:00]
old guys who uh have been known for playing like detectives
[42:04]
like if it was like i don't know james garner and dennis farina i would have
[42:07]
enjoyed this movie more or like dennis franz and you know
[42:11]
somebody yeah if this is a charles napier that's the thing
[42:16]
this was the reuniting of dennis franz and david caruso like i would have been
[42:19]
it would have made the movie more exciting you know true i really want to
[42:22]
see james spader as one of these characters for some reason
[42:26]
which one maybe the david finch both maybe
[42:29]
both photography if patty duke could do it from james
[42:31]
spader can do it just get that guy awake oh but anyway
[42:36]
that's the evil twin is what you're saying i'm gonna agree with you guys
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there's a bad bad movie okay three for three don't watch it don't
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watch it so we do have a few letters but i'm gonna
[42:47]
hold off on that until uh next time because uh stewart's not
[42:50]
here can i read the letters after the
[42:52]
recording yeah okay you guys just get disappointed
[42:55]
when like they get read when one of you i do i like talking to the peeps
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yeah so i apologize megan i don't want you to feel like a second class
[43:03]
are we gonna talk oh too late i already do attention
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uh we did get some attention from a uh norwegian gentleman
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oh um so i'm gonna tease that did you guys buy a bottle of champagne
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professional norwegian gentleman van olsen
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yeah i do like bad movies i don't want to offend our norwegian
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uh you've already had it too late too late um
[43:29]
you should edit that out yeah he uh he wrote something about us on a
[43:33]
norwegian um forum i don't think i don't think that
[43:37]
it was about being norwegian but i i know that the forum was
[43:40]
in norwegian uh and i i did a a free translation of it online oh okay it
[43:47]
was mostly coherent it was mostly coherent so in the future
[43:50]
i'm gonna blame the translation we'll talk a little bit about that i'm teasing
[43:52]
that but right now what we are going to talk
[43:55]
about is a movie that we've seen recently
[43:58]
that we actually enjoyed some sort of recommendation
[44:01]
or failing a recommendation just some sort of positive word
[44:06]
to make us not feel like we're just bitter to cleanse the palate
[44:10]
yeah okay to send you out uh singing a song
[44:14]
yeah should i start yeah if you have one well yeah just because i
[44:18]
i was just saying this to you to you guys to you professional gentlemen
[44:21]
um i actually went to go see julie and julia
[44:26]
with meryl streep and amy adams so i'm sure anybody listening to this podcast
[44:30]
is like that's not for me they're like oh my girlfriend's making
[44:33]
me go see that movie yeah exactly or they're like i'm so glad i
[44:37]
don't have a girlfriend so i don't have to go see that movie
[44:40]
yeah where's stewart i'll go hang out with him um but i live
[44:46]
vicariously through his large penis
[44:50]
and play uh some sort of fantasy football he's he's got everything
[44:55]
yeah but meryl streep in this movie is incredible she does
[44:58]
an incredible job of i think channeling julia childs without doing a
[45:02]
you know like an impression of julia childs and it's a
[45:06]
child i'm sorry thank you julia child she only had one child
[45:11]
thank you she didn't actually have any children what
[45:14]
it's true that's the sort of tidbit that you can take out as a woman
[45:18]
and she she was a terrible thing to say yeah she was a fascinating lady or at
[45:22]
least meryl street makes you believe that she was a fascinating lady
[45:26]
so i recommend that go go to a matinee take it all in with the middle-aged
[45:31]
ladies that surround you or your gay best friend the youngest person i was by
[45:35]
far the youngest person well that and my friend that i went with my gay best
[45:39]
friend joe who's only three years older than i am so i know a
[45:42]
gay guy named joe maybe they're the same guy
[45:44]
i bet they are there just can't be too many of them i don't think so
[45:47]
okay so i don't know whether this is like actually a rousing recommendation
[45:52]
it's more of a uh this movie was a lot better than i
[45:54]
expected recommendation which was i saw gran torino recently
[45:58]
oh i still have to see and based on the trailers i was like
[46:02]
this is either going to be like a completely maudlin like
[46:05]
you know exploration of a racist learning to love or it's going to be
[46:09]
like a terrible latter-day revenge fantasy set in detroit
[46:14]
and uh it was a little bit the first one towards the end of the movie like the
[46:19]
last 20 minutes gets a little like melodramatic in a in a
[46:23]
bad way i mean melodrama can be fun but like
[46:25]
it goes a little over the top but what i didn't realize
[46:28]
was it's basically a comedy in a lot of ways
[46:32]
like if you ever want to see a movie that's just old clint eastwood
[46:36]
yes uh growling at a series of people you know me that's all i want to see
[46:41]
if it was a movie of clint eastwood sitting on a chair in his lawn just
[46:44]
barking at pastor byes pastors by that would be the movie i want to say that's
[46:48]
basically it oh then i want to see there's just like a
[46:50]
series of characters that clint eastwood is presented with
[46:53]
and he's just like an old jerk to all of them
[46:57]
and he's literally like the first time he's you see him in the movie he's
[47:00]
introduced by him growling like it's at his wife's
[47:03]
funeral like the camera pans over all of the orders
[47:07]
and they they go into clint eastwood he's like
[47:12]
it's a fantastic performance from him you know
[47:15]
it's it's grumpy old man torino grumpy old man torino and so on that level i
[47:22]
really enjoyed it so that's what i would say i'd like to see that film
[47:25]
i would like i have a very rousing recommendation
[47:28]
uh did i recommend a matter of life and death already or no
[47:32]
no but it sounds important yeah i guess it is a matter of life and death
[47:36]
boom uh there's a movie i saw recently that i fell in love with
[47:40]
called why don't you marry it i'm already engaged
[47:43]
asshole i know i know if i had met the movie before i met daniel it would be a
[47:47]
different story i'm telling her don't tell her i said that she doesn't
[47:50]
listen to this anyway every girl wants to be
[47:54]
well she just knows this as the thing that i do where i come home late once
[47:56]
every two weeks yeah so i'm the guy who's keeping you away from her
[48:00]
in her mind from hey somebody's waiting up for me too
[48:04]
all right well anyway
[48:09]
this is uh a matter of life and death is a
[48:12]
british film from 1946 it was it from the powell and press burger team who you may
[48:18]
know as perhaps the greatest director producer
[48:20]
team in film history michael powell and emmerich press burger
[48:24]
emmerich who you may who created such classics as the red shoes
[48:28]
okay black narcissist the life and death of colonel blimp
[48:31]
uh i know where i'm going michael powell would have gone to do peeping tom but i
[48:36]
don't think press burger was involved in that one
[48:38]
great like really great movies and this is one i hadn't seen yet
[48:41]
where david david niven is an raf pilot the movie opens with him
[48:45]
about to crash his plane and he makes his last
[48:49]
communication with an american uh woman auxiliary officer who is manning the
[48:54]
radio station in england and they amazingly hit it off while he's
[48:59]
plummeting to a fiery death he decides to bail out of his plane he'd
[49:02]
rather jump than burn up and it's so foggy that the man sent from
[49:07]
heaven to get him misses him so he so he awakes on the
[49:11]
beach completely alive not a scratch on him
[49:14]
and the guy who was sent the angel sent to get him who is this kind of french
[49:18]
fop who was killed during the french revolution
[49:20]
uh so he's got a scarf around his neck that he won't take off because his head
[49:23]
would fall off uh he's so it's a cross between a movie
[49:27]
and an old campfire tale well kind of in a way
[49:30]
but he keeps he says to him you have to come with me
[49:33]
and david niven refuses to he's in love with this woman he doesn't want to go
[49:37]
the woman is good friends with a psych with a neurologist who thinks that this
[49:40]
is all going on inside of david niven's head
[49:42]
and david niven says that i want to appeal to the highest court
[49:46]
in heaven to get this so that i don't have to go like i deserve to stay on
[49:49]
earth i don't want to tell everything that happens but like
[49:51]
all the sequences set on earth are in color and all these sequences set in
[49:56]
heaven are in black and white it's just like a really like take that
[49:59]
heaven
[50:00]
that yeah it's a really sweet movie in this but like it's there it's such a
[50:05]
well-made movie and it's so good and like it's very funny at times that's
[50:10]
very touching at other times and the way it shot is just absolutely beautiful like
[50:14]
they never they always are looking for interesting ways to shoot things that
[50:18]
don't look crazy but they just look interesting there's something about the
[50:21]
way that pal impress burger their movies shoot objects in this kind of mid 40s
[50:26]
very rich color that is that just looks beautiful like they everything has this
[50:30]
very like firm three-dimension feel to it that a lot of movies don't get it's
[50:35]
like very painterly colors but everything feels like it's in three
[50:38]
dimensions so there's a really good movie I highly recommend it do it's
[50:42]
called a matter of life and death but the DVD right now it was released in
[50:46]
America under the title stairway to heaven DVD release I think is I don't
[50:50]
stairway to heaven I've heard it under that okay but the original title was a
[50:53]
matter of life and death which I think is a better title yeah because there's
[50:56]
there's a song called right sure way to heaven which we all know don't play it
[51:00]
Dan no don't play it I mean the music rights alone would because you'd be
[51:10]
paying for the music rights on this podcast I know I don't I don't I don't
[51:13]
use any kind of writer material although I don't think I don't think that the
[51:18]
remaining members of Led Zeppelin would never know this this professional
[51:26]
gentleman in Norway found you so so guys I think we better wrap it up because I
[51:30]
can I can hear Elliot's allergies kicking in the longer he's in my cat
[51:36]
filled apartment just the one cat but it does feel like it's not like we're like
[51:42]
pushing open the door because there's so many cats in that it's hard to open the
[51:45]
door we got a squeeze through these piles of cats we have a sketch about
[51:49]
that yeah oh really yeah you didn't see that one oh I did not see that one it's
[51:53]
for a later date yeah I was gonna come out and see another mr. white pants yeah
[51:57]
the one I saw last time I liked a lot that Matt coffee is sure is funny he's
[52:02]
not a star he is the best guy on that stage I like the Sun and then you got a
[52:08]
couple I guess rocks that are with her just shines you know what if I was a
[52:14]
six-foot-four guy with glasses and slightly strange like I would be funny
[52:18]
too well on that note so stairway to heaven I'd like to say good night or
[52:28]
good morning depending on when you're listening to this good afternoon for the
[52:32]
podcast yeah really it's to order entertainment you want it yeah that's
[52:38]
the beauty of it on demand for the flop house I've been Dan McCoy and I'm Megan
[52:43]
O'Neill and I remain Elliot Kalin good night good night thank you
[52:48]
that was so polite
[52:52]
that's when things got weird that's when Dan turned into a gay monster
Description
0:00 - 0:37 - Introduction and theme0:38 - 5:20 - We spend some time discussing Stuart's penis and introduce our guest host, Meghan O'Neill.5:21 - 36:59 - How many lousy movies do two of the greatest actors of their generation have to make, before we give up on them? Just one, if it's Righteous Kill.37:00 - 38:06- A break for station identification and all things Flop House.38:07 - 42:45 - Final judgments42:46 - 43:52 - We tease letters but cruelly do not read any this episode.43:53 - 51:27 - The sad bastards recommend.51:28 - 53:20 - Goodbyes, theme and outtakes.
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