main Episode #74 Aug 15, 2009 00:53:20

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[0:00] De Niro, Pacino, Gugino, Neutrino, Maraschino, Gran Torino.
[0:10] We discuss Righteous Kill.
[0:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Stuart R. Wellington, Dan T.
[1:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[1:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[1:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[1:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[2:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[2:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[2:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[2:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[2:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[2:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[3:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[3:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[3:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[3:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[3:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[3:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[4:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[4:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[4:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[4:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[4:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[4:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[5:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[5:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[5:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[5:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[5:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[5:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[6:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[6:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[6:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[6:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[6:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[6:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[7:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[7:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[7:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[7:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[7:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[7:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[8:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[8:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[8:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[8:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[8:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[8:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[9:00] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[9:10] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[9:20] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[9:30] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[9:40] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[9:50] Dan McCoy, Elliott Kalin, Megan O'Neil, Dan T.
[10:00] Robert De Niro is also in a very kind of brutal sex relationship with Carla Gugino who is
[10:07] a forensics person with the police and there are also two other detectives, John Leguizamo
[10:12] and Donnie Wahlberg.
[10:13] He is the police chief and that's the entirety of the police of New York City is this group.
[10:30] There's someone who's killing criminals who beat the charges and didn't go to jail and
[10:35] leaving cryptic poems describing the people's crimes on the body that opens with Robert
[10:40] De Niro confessing to these crimes and continues to confess throughout the film in fuzzy black
[10:46] and white video footage but things may not be as they seem.
[10:50] Robert De Niro is like the loose cannon cop who beats people up and Al Pacino is like
[10:54] the loose cannon cop who plays chess and makes wisecracks.
[10:59] They're both bad at being cops.
[11:00] They're both too old.
[11:01] Should I give away the ending?
[11:02] Should I say what happened?
[11:03] No, please.
[11:04] Keep going.
[11:05] Well, you think there are a couple of red herrings.
[11:07] They go through a lot of rigmarole to try and find the killer and at the end and you
[11:11] think it's...
[11:12] Well, you have to clarify at a certain point they think, I know who's doing this.
[11:17] It's got to be a cop.
[11:18] Yeah, it's got to be a cop.
[11:19] A maniac cop if you will.
[11:21] They don't say maniac cop but they should have and John Leguizamo says, I think it was
[11:24] Robert De Niro who did it and it would have been a better movie if they referred to each
[11:27] other by their real names.
[11:28] It would have made more sense.
[11:29] I bet it was actor Robert De Niro who did it.
[11:31] I think Robert De Niro did it and they set up a sting operation and they catch Robert
[11:35] De Niro but it turns out he's not the guy who did it.
[11:38] But what was that scene before that when they were waiting in the car and that weird guy
[11:42] came out of nowhere?
[11:43] That was Robert De Niro.
[11:44] It seemed like he was trying to throw them off the track.
[11:47] So he said...
[11:48] Please explain this to me.
[11:49] I just saw this movie.
[11:50] He's like, it's not a cop.
[11:51] It's not a cop.
[11:52] It's not a cop.
[11:53] And they're like, no, it's a cop.
[11:54] It's a cop.
[11:55] It's a cop.
[11:57] It's not a cop.
[11:58] That seems to be the whole script of the movie.
[11:59] Those were literally...
[12:00] John Legge was on it.
[12:01] A lot of the movie is people shouting the same phrases over and over at each other.
[12:05] At the simultaneously.
[12:06] With overlapping Altman-esque dialogue.
[12:10] And ketchup in the background.
[12:11] And there's a lot of bottles of ketchup sitting on tables.
[12:14] But De Niro says to them, you think it's a cop.
[12:18] Well, here's a cop who got fired and he thinks he got a bum deal and he was involved in all
[12:23] these cases.
[12:24] He was around at the time.
[12:25] Maybe he did it.
[12:26] So they go to find that guy and he says, I've got an alibi.
[12:31] And he disappears from the film.
[12:32] That's what it was.
[12:33] Wait, he was in Brazil?
[12:34] Not the movie.
[12:35] Not the movie Brazil.
[12:36] I was in Brazil.
[12:37] I was in Brazil.
[12:38] I met up with Terry, Gilliam, and we hit it off.
[12:42] But at the end, it turns...
[12:44] So they think Robert De Niro did it.
[12:46] Robert De Niro seems pretty suspicious.
[12:47] He's in a relationship with Carl Gugino where they rape each other.
[12:51] Well, no, no, no.
[12:53] He rapes her.
[12:54] It's not that equitable.
[12:55] It's really horrible.
[12:56] One is dominant and one is submissive.
[12:57] It's really horrible.
[12:58] And Robert De Niro is not the submissive in the relationship.
[13:01] No.
[13:02] But I think he is the submissive.
[13:03] Well, the thing is, he plays...
[13:04] Well, isn't the Dom really not the one in control of the submissives?
[13:07] Well, that's the thing.
[13:08] He plays the dominant role in the game.
[13:11] But it's very obvious that he does what Carl Gugino wants him to do.
[13:14] That's right.
[13:15] That's right.
[13:16] And that he doesn't like this necessarily.
[13:17] This is what she wants to do.
[13:18] But in the end, it turns out Al Pacino did it the whole time.
[13:20] Oh, no.
[13:21] Oh, no.
[13:22] It was the other character who did it.
[13:25] There were two main characters.
[13:26] And the one that you thought did it didn't do it.
[13:29] Yeah.
[13:30] And thus, it was the other main character who did it.
[13:32] And Al Pacino makes Robert De Niro read from his crazy person confession notebook.
[13:35] And that's why...
[13:36] That his therapist gave him.
[13:37] That his therapist gave him.
[13:38] The police therapist.
[13:39] Then Robert De Niro shoots Al Pacino reluctantly.
[13:42] And the movie is over.
[13:44] The end.
[13:45] The end.
[13:46] It's a really...
[13:47] And Robert De Niro, even though he was a brutal, aggressive cop,
[13:51] redeems himself by coaching a girls' softball team at the end.
[13:54] I don't understand.
[13:55] Now that we've summarized, we can dig into the meat of this.
[13:58] Oh, the meat of this.
[14:00] The meat in a little girls' softball team.
[14:02] I really don't understand.
[14:03] Let's just say this was a terrible movie.
[14:04] Everything about it is bad.
[14:06] Two of the most...
[14:07] Two of the legendary actors of the second half of the 20th century.
[14:10] Right.
[14:11] And one of stage.
[14:12] And they both are shit in it.
[14:13] And they're really bad.
[14:14] And they have no chemistry.
[14:15] And they're just old, bad, not good, bad things.
[14:18] Old banks.
[14:19] Well, let's not jump ahead of ourselves.
[14:20] Sorry.
[14:21] Let's not...
[14:22] Let's not...
[14:24] Yeah.
[14:25] She lights up the screen.
[14:26] She does light up the screen.
[14:27] Whenever she's on.
[14:28] I mean, she's a beautiful woman.
[14:29] She's got an old-world, classic style of looks.
[14:32] You don't find that so many of these slutty stars these days.
[14:35] It means that he enjoys her curves.
[14:37] That's what Elliot is saying.
[14:38] Well, that's part of it.
[14:39] But also just like the way her face looks is not...
[14:40] Yeah.
[14:41] It looks like...
[14:42] You could see pictures of her and think they were from the 40s.
[14:44] She's very pretty.
[14:45] That's the way her face is shaped.
[14:46] And a talented actress.
[14:49] But not necessarily in this movie.
[14:51] No.
[14:52] Not at her own fault.
[14:53] She's still better than De Niro and Pacino, but everyone in it is bad.
[14:56] That's true.
[14:57] Okay.
[14:58] Yeah.
[14:59] I would agree with that.
[15:00] But to go back to the girls' softball.
[15:01] Oh, but to go...
[15:02] Why is that in this movie?
[15:03] Because he's coaching...
[15:04] That's a question that I had from the start.
[15:05] He was coaching the police soft...
[15:06] The NYPD softball team.
[15:07] Right.
[15:08] For his precinct, at least.
[15:09] Right.
[15:10] And I think this was a sign that he's given up his aggressive ways.
[15:11] We see him getting into a fight...
[15:12] Oh, yes.
[15:13] ...with the umpire.
[15:14] This is...
[15:15] He's given it up.
[15:16] Now he's giving back to the children.
[15:17] It's the future next generation.
[15:19] Maybe he and Carla Gugino are going to have some kids who go to college when he's dead,
[15:20] because he'll be in his 90s.
[15:21] Right.
[15:22] That's a dream.
[15:23] It's the American dream.
[15:24] I think he's let go of the past, and now he's free to be around children.
[15:25] Yeah, let's...
[15:26] Okay.
[15:27] He's free to be around children.
[15:28] Yeah.
[15:29] As we all hope to be one day, I guess.
[15:30] He's free to be you and me.
[15:31] Let's get back to the fact that Carla Gugino not only enjoys rough sex, but she enjoys
[15:32] rough sex with a man approximately twice her age.
[15:33] Yeah.
[15:34] Definitely old enough to be her father.
[15:35] I don't know.
[15:36] I don't know.
[15:37] I don't know.
[15:38] I don't know.
[15:39] I don't know.
[15:40] I don't know.
[16:11] That's a good point.
[16:12] I agree.
[16:13] For adults it's about the same.
[16:14] Yeah.
[16:15] There's a scale of...
[16:16] Of old?
[16:17] Of Hollywood relationships.
[16:18] It's not as bad as Larry King and his wife.
[16:19] Right.
[16:20] I wouldn't know about that.
[16:21] There's probably a bigger age difference between Michael Douglas and Katharizena Jones than
[16:22] between these two.
[16:23] They're 30 years apart.
[16:24] But the difference is we don't have to see it on film all the time.
[16:25] We will, though.
[16:26] But we don't...
[16:27] We don't have to see them enacting their rape fantasy on film.
[16:28] Yeah, right.
[16:29] The rape fantasy aspect of it is very distasteful.
[16:30] It's very strange.
[16:31] Well look, you know...
[16:32] No, no, no.
[16:33] Whatever gets you off behind closed doors, I just don't want to see Robert De Niro pertaining
[16:46] to rape Carla Gugino on film.
[16:49] That is not something that I want projected onto my eyeballs and then, therefore, into
[16:53] my brain.
[16:54] Yeah.
[16:55] We have to say that it's not like there's a graphic scene.
[16:57] No.
[16:58] No, no, no.
[16:59] It's just the implication of it is horrifying.
[17:00] Right.
[17:01] Of that relationship.
[17:02] I'm going to say this.
[17:03] I didn't really like Meet the Parents at all.
[17:06] But then after seeing...
[17:07] I am with you.
[17:08] But after seeing this movie, I find Robert De Niro's character in that a lot more easy
[17:12] to watch.
[17:13] Well, can I say something about Meet the Parents?
[17:14] Yes.
[17:15] Oh, please do.
[17:16] And then let's talk about something about Righteous Kill that's not rape related.
[17:17] Or about 50 Cent.
[17:18] Okay.
[17:19] Think about...
[17:20] Yeah, 50 Cent is in this movie, too.
[17:21] 50.
[17:22] As a drug dealer club owner named Spider.
[17:23] Spider.
[17:24] Anyway.
[17:25] Meet the Parents, like, falls into this weird...
[17:26] Because everyone's named after an animal in this movie.
[17:27] Yeah.
[17:28] I didn't realize that until I saw the video.
[17:29] See, and the birds, the two bird police officers eat the arachnid spider.
[17:30] What?
[17:31] It's a stretch.
[17:32] But it could work.
[17:33] They should have called me Cricket.
[17:34] It's a stretch in the way that a bad screenwriter might have thought of that.
[17:35] Yeah, there you go.
[17:36] That makes sense.
[17:37] And deliberately done it.
[17:38] But Meet the Parents, it falls in that category of comedy where I actually enjoy the comedy
[17:39] of awkwardness, you know, like the original Office or it's ilk.
[17:40] But what I don't enjoy is a comedy that's entirely based on the idea that you're going
[17:41] to be a bad cop.
[17:42] And I don't like that.
[17:43] I don't like that.
[17:44] I don't like that.
[17:45] I don't like that.
[17:46] I don't like that.
[17:47] I don't like that.
[17:48] I don't like that.
[17:49] I don't like that.
[17:50] You know, it's, it's a stretch in the way that a bad screenwriter might have thought
[17:51] of that.
[17:52] Right.
[17:53] So it's comically done, but it falls in that category of comedy where I actually enjoy
[17:54] the comedy of awkwardness, you know, like the original Office or its ilk.
[17:56] But what I don't enjoy is a comedy that's entirely based around a good-hearted person
[18:02] having their life systematically ruined in some way.
[18:06] And Meet the Parents just seemed to be like, okay, well, we're introduced to Sweet Ben
[18:09] Stiller, who wants to marry this lady, his lady friend, we will see him embarrass over
[18:17] and over again.
[18:18] Yeah.
[18:19] I don't like the vacation movies.
[18:21] Yeah.
[18:22] Oh, really?
[18:23] It's like, you know.
[18:24] The Christmas Vacation?
[18:25] What do you mean?
[18:26] Christmas Vacation is the worst one.
[18:27] Oh, no.
[18:28] I actually like that film.
[18:29] But it's the same thing where it's like...
[18:30] The worst one in a series that includes Vegas Vacation.
[18:31] Right.
[18:32] Come on now.
[18:33] Oh, I forgot about Vegas Vacation.
[18:34] Christmas Vacation is the second worst one.
[18:35] Okay.
[18:36] Where Chevy Chase is not a bad guy.
[18:37] No.
[18:38] Like, he's not a great guy.
[18:39] It's just, he, it's like, oh, I can't wait to take my family on vacation.
[18:41] And apparently that is the biggest crime you can commit in the universe.
[18:44] Well, when you're trying to go to Wally World.
[18:46] Yes.
[18:47] Oh, by the way, Mr. John Hughes.
[18:49] Oh, he passed away, didn't he?
[18:51] Yeah.
[18:52] You really don't want to talk about Righteous Kid.
[18:53] I just want to say, you know, the man wrote Vacation.
[18:57] And he also wrote the National Lampoon story that Vacation was based on.
[19:00] Oh, I didn't realize that.
[19:01] He wrote a lot of stuff.
[19:02] You should look it up on the internet because it's interesting to see.
[19:05] I mean, like, he obviously, he wrote the story and he wrote the screenplay, so it's not that
[19:09] strange that they're in line.
[19:10] But you rarely see, like, a five-page story that is so closely aligned to the movie that
[19:17] was later made of it.
[19:19] So in memoriam, John Hughes.
[19:21] Oh, what a fitting memorial.
[19:22] Why don't you go online?
[19:23] This brief mention.
[19:24] I'm sure that's all he ever wanted.
[19:26] Yeah.
[19:27] I will say about that.
[19:28] Someone said to me today that they don't like Ferris Bueller's Day Off because his parents
[19:32] are so nice to him.
[19:33] There's no reason for him to mess with them.
[19:35] He's not really messing with them.
[19:37] I would say he's not messing with them.
[19:38] And also, like, they're not very good parents.
[19:41] Like even if they're nice, they have no idea what's going on with him.
[19:44] And they're not great to the sister.
[19:46] Yeah, they're not good.
[19:47] They're very bad to the sister.
[19:48] That's true.
[19:49] Like...
[19:50] Well, the sister's Jennifer Grey.
[19:51] What?
[19:52] Oh.
[19:53] Oh.
[19:54] So that's just supposed to excuse her.
[19:55] Wow.
[19:56] Interesting.
[19:57] And she makes out with Charlie Sheen.
[19:58] So she gets what's coming to her.
[19:59] We just recapped Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
[20:00] The important points of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
[20:02] Anyway.
[20:03] See, that's what happens when you don't go through a plot in detail.
[20:06] People think the movie is about Jennifer Grey and Charlie Sheen's relationship.
[20:09] Yep.
[20:11] So Righteous Kill is a bad movie.
[20:13] It's very poorly shot, it's very poorly edited, it's very poorly written.
[20:16] It's completely confusing, too.
[20:19] And it doesn't, and it's, well, if you're talking through it, it makes it more confusing.
[20:21] We've learned that on the fly, guys.
[20:23] But it is confusing.
[20:24] Like, the characters do things illogically for, you know, and have no reason for it.
[20:29] Things happen, and you don't know why.
[20:31] And it's because the movie is trying to create a sense of suspense in you.
[20:34] But it just comes off as like, wait, why did we see that?
[20:37] Yeah.
[20:38] Why did that happen?
[20:39] Well, De Niro gets super agitated by the idea that it might be a cop who's behind all these killings.
[20:45] And this is obviously a red herring to make us think, okay, De Niro did it.
[20:49] That along with the fact that we first see him confessing.
[20:52] Right.
[20:53] That was the larger red herring.
[20:55] But it's never really explained why he's so agitated, other than, I guess, you are supposed to assume
[20:59] he just has pride in being a police officer.
[21:00] Maybe.
[21:01] Or maybe he has an idea that Rooster did it.
[21:04] I don't know.
[21:05] But you can't kill the Rooster.
[21:09] Al Pacino's character has one of the great quirks of movies, which is that he's full of stupid trivia.
[21:16] And as someone who's full of stupid trivia, like, I can understand.
[21:19] But it's like, there's a scene where he's talking to Brian Dennehy.
[21:21] And Brian Dennehy's like, it's going to take two light years to do this.
[21:25] And he goes, actually, chief, light years are a measure of distance.
[21:28] Not of time.
[21:29] It's like, great.
[21:30] Who cares?
[21:31] Why is...
[21:32] The thing about the light years, though, like, I feel like that, again, is like the screenwriter at home,
[21:36] like, working through the Righteous Kill screenplay, like, working on it, working on it.
[21:40] And then, like, he takes a break to watch Star Wars.
[21:44] And he's annoyed all over again at the use of parsecs as a unit of time.
[21:49] He's like, I'm going to write something in.
[21:51] That isn't that.
[21:53] But it's very close.
[21:53] But it's similar to that.
[21:55] And then that'll show George Lucas.
[21:57] Yeah.
[21:58] And the world.
[21:59] Retroactively.
[22:01] But it's such a poorly...
[22:03] Like, the editing in the movie is bad.
[22:05] And it's incoherent at times.
[22:08] But also, like, it's one of those movies that feels...
[22:10] It's like, we better make this look dynamic.
[22:12] So we'll throw all sorts of crazy shit around.
[22:14] And the camera will whoosh for no reason.
[22:16] Except for it's always whooshing to something really ugly.
[22:19] Yes.
[22:19] I've never seen so much linoleum in a movie.
[22:22] So much, like, just ugly tiling.
[22:24] Parking lots.
[22:24] It reminds me of when 12 Monkeys came out.
[22:27] I remember seeing that and thinking at the time, like, the world this movie is in is really ugly.
[22:34] But it was ugly in a way like it's supposed to be because it's, you know, society is crumbling to a certain extent.
[22:40] So even the scenes set in the present don't look very...
[22:42] You know, the settings don't look very good.
[22:44] But the movie is still shot well.
[22:46] So, like, you know that the world looks ugly, but the movie is not ugly.
[22:51] Whereas this, it's like everything looks ugly and it's shot ugly.
[22:54] Yeah, everything has a fluorescent light.
[22:56] Yeah, linoleum, like you were saying, or just, like, crappy.
[23:00] This film is just trying to tell us...
[23:02] In the climax of the film, Robert De Niro is wearing baggy sweatpants and a baggy sweat...
[23:08] Hooded sweatshirt, all gray with sweat stains on it.
[23:10] He looks like a grandmother out for a power walk.
[23:14] Yeah.
[23:16] That's probably what that amounted to.
[23:18] He should be walking around a mall at 6.30 a.m.
[23:21] Well, the look of this movie is telling us, Elliot, that the world is a cesspool.
[23:24] I guess so.
[23:26] It's an insight fitting to, like, a 7th grader.
[23:30] It is a movie that hates people.
[23:33] There's all these parts where De Niro is, like...
[23:35] You're hearing voiceover of him talking about how he killed people.
[23:38] And it's him reading Al Pacino's notes, but you don't know that.
[23:40] It sounds like his inner monologue.
[23:42] And he's talking about how, like, he sees crime everywhere.
[23:44] And the whole time you're just like, oh, Taxi Driver was such a good movie.
[23:49] This is so not as good as that.
[23:50] Why am I watching this?
[23:52] I could be watching that movie.
[23:53] Or Meet the Parents.
[23:55] Yeah.
[23:56] I could be watching The Swap, one of his other early bad films.
[24:00] I've never seen The Swap.
[24:01] Well, don't. It's not very good.
[24:02] Oh, okay. All right.
[24:03] So, Megan, I bet that...
[24:05] I could be watching Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
[24:07] I bet that Al Pacino had a really good reason for killing all those people.
[24:11] I mean, like, he was a cop.
[24:12] And then to, like, turn around and kill everybody,
[24:15] I bet he must have had a really good reason.
[24:16] So, what was that?
[24:18] Um, oh.
[24:21] Elliot, what was it?
[24:22] Uh, it seems to me that he was crazy.
[24:25] Oh, that's it. He was crazy.
[24:27] Well, technically, he says early in the film,
[24:29] he and Robert De Niro planted a gun on a suspect
[24:32] who was going to get off because he had a fake alibi,
[24:35] but they knew he did it.
[24:36] Right.
[24:36] And he says at the end to Robert De Niro,
[24:39] you were my idol.
[24:40] You were the best cop I'd ever seen.
[24:42] Oh, that's right.
[24:42] When you planted that gun.
[24:43] This guy's good.
[24:44] Yeah, see, and I don't have to pay that close attention to it.
[24:47] When you planted that gun, I lost faith.
[24:49] Yeah, that was it.
[24:50] You showed me that cops can be bad, too.
[24:52] So, I decided to kill people, and it turned out I enjoyed doing it.
[24:55] So, he is crazy.
[24:56] It's just a dumb.
[24:57] So, that's why, Dan.
[24:58] That's why he did it.
[24:59] But, oh, that's why he started.
[25:00] Okay, the fall from grace.
[25:02] So, the fact that his partner set someone up
[25:07] meant that then thereafter, he had to shoot a bunch of people.
[25:11] Well, I guess that there was no law.
[25:13] They were outside of the law.
[25:14] It's vigilante justice.
[25:15] So, he stared into the abyss and realized.
[25:18] Not only did the abyss stare back.
[25:19] And he shot the wrong Ruski.
[25:22] He did shoot the wrong Ruski.
[25:24] He shoots, one of these guys is a Russian criminal,
[25:27] and he shoots him six times and fails to kill him.
[25:30] He just puts him in the hospital where there's like an Indian doctor
[25:34] who's very impressed at how many bullets he took out of this guy.
[25:38] Who's the Indian guy from office space?
[25:40] It was it?
[25:41] Yeah.
[25:42] Oh, I didn't realize that.
[25:42] Samir.
[25:43] Yeah, he's great.
[25:44] I think he's great in office.
[25:45] I mean, he's very good in his film, too.
[25:46] Was he Indian or is he Arab?
[25:48] Oh, good question.
[25:51] I don't know.
[25:52] You've exposed our racism.
[25:54] I don't think I've exposed our oblivious whiteness.
[25:56] Basically.
[25:57] Definitely.
[25:58] Wait, wait, wait.
[26:00] I just realized I'm the only non-Irishman at this table.
[26:02] Wait, are you guys white?
[26:03] Oh, you're not Irish?
[26:05] Get out.
[26:07] The Irish were, you know, spat upon.
[26:10] That's right.
[26:11] Boo-hoo.
[26:12] By the river.
[26:14] Jewish people have had it pretty easy.
[26:17] We were the minority before we knew the word for it.
[26:20] A while back.
[26:21] That's right.
[26:22] Yeah.
[26:23] Anyway.
[26:24] Not today.
[26:25] Not today.
[26:26] Not today where we have every advantage.
[26:27] That's right.
[26:28] Because we knew how to do one thing well, and that's procreate.
[26:30] In America, we have so much racial strife.
[26:32] I didn't mean to reopen these wounds.
[26:34] You did.
[26:35] What you meant to talk about was the guy's method of trying to get someone out of a coma.
[26:40] This Russian guy seems to be in a coma, and one of the cops just goes up to him and goes,
[26:44] Hey.
[26:45] Hey.
[26:46] Hey.
[26:47] Literally.
[26:48] Just like putting his fingers up in front of him and snapping.
[26:51] Hey.
[26:52] Hey.
[26:53] Hey.
[26:54] And I wanted the doctor to be like, Oh, we haven't tried that.
[26:56] Thanks.
[26:57] Thanks for your miracle cure.
[26:59] The sarcastic doctor.
[27:01] Oh, the snapping fingers.
[27:04] Oh, great.
[27:05] We were busy using a defibrillator.
[27:08] That's first year medical school.
[27:10] I can't believe I forgot about it.
[27:12] Where are my smelling salts?
[27:14] Doesn't matter.
[27:15] I've got these fingers with me all the time.
[27:17] When I was applying the adrenaline to keep his heart beating, I forgot to say, Hey.
[27:20] Hey.
[27:21] Hey.
[27:22] Oh, that was a good one.
[27:24] Now there's beer in my nose now.
[27:26] I don't know.
[27:27] Irish.
[27:28] Don't worry about it.
[27:29] It'll just be absorbed into my bloodstream all the faster.
[27:32] Oh, and now that you say that in my nose, I'm thinking about the girl.
[27:37] The girl who was using cocaine.
[27:39] With the primo cocaine that Spider gave her.
[27:44] That's the only word she used to describe it.
[27:46] Primo.
[27:47] Primo.
[27:48] Yeah.
[27:49] She's a high class lawyer who is also a coke addict.
[27:51] That's right.
[27:52] The whole house of cards started tumbling down was this woman.
[27:57] It feels like, literally, it feels like we watched 13 episodes of a TV show.
[28:02] An hour long drama.
[28:03] And I'm like, Oh yeah, that happened at the beginning of season one of Righteous Kill.
[28:08] They're cutting up the cocaine in the men's bathroom.
[28:11] This is a movie that's what, an hour and 45 minutes long?
[28:13] And it feels like it's...
[28:14] It's epic.
[28:15] I think like 10,000 BC or Seven Pounds were the only movies that felt like they took more time than this.
[28:21] But the woman offers De Niro some cocaine.
[28:26] He's in the bathroom of a hip hop club.
[28:28] Right.
[28:29] In Harlem.
[28:30] The 404 Club.
[28:31] That used to be a bank.
[28:32] And it's run by Spider.
[28:33] That's right.
[28:34] Who's 50 Cent.
[28:35] And now that that happened, De Niro can use her as an informant.
[28:39] That's right.
[28:40] Like wire her up.
[28:41] Put her in with Spider.
[28:43] And I found this very interesting because apparently, in the world of Righteous Kill,
[28:50] very wealthy, high-powered corporate lawyers get their drugs directly from the drug kingpin.
[28:56] In person.
[28:57] Yeah.
[28:58] They go...
[28:59] Four ounces.
[29:00] Their buddies, they're like, Hey Spider, let me in.
[29:01] They're like, Oh, okay, I'll let you into my...
[29:03] My sanctum sanctorum.
[29:04] Yeah.
[29:05] Where, by the way, the police are just next door.
[29:08] The police seem to have rented out a parking space above his place in the building.
[29:13] It's like he had a loft for rent and the police rented it out and he doesn't understand how they keep busting him.
[29:20] They just have cups up to the wall with their ear on one side.
[29:24] Even closer than the lives of others.
[29:26] Fancy.
[29:27] Fancy.
[29:28] Great movie.
[29:29] It's no Righteous Kill.
[29:30] It's no Righteous Kill.
[29:31] No, Righteous Kill's in a class of its own.
[29:33] Yeah, they send her to wear a wire to catch Spider selling her drugs and things don't go so well.
[29:38] They don't go as planned.
[29:39] Yeah.
[29:40] That's for sure.
[29:41] But she gets shot in the shoulder and she takes it in stride.
[29:43] She's a corporate lawyer.
[29:44] She just bleeds from the mouth a little bit.
[29:46] She had so much Primo stuff in her system that she didn't even feel it.
[29:49] The thing was, like, she didn't die.
[29:52] No, she was fine.
[29:53] She was fine.
[29:54] She went to the hospital.
[29:55] There was a shot of her reading a book, kind of irritatingly, like, uh, I gotta read a book now that I'm in the hospital.
[30:00] The hospital.
[30:00] And I can only turn it with my left hand.
[30:03] So she didn't even serve the plot motivation of giving
[30:07] De Niro a reason to be enraged about him.
[30:10] He's a mad dog.
[30:11] He's like a pit bull on crack.
[30:12] And then she just sort of disappears.
[30:14] As they said.
[30:14] Yeah, she disappears because she's not necessary anymore.
[30:17] Well, to be fair, what were they going to keep her around
[30:19] in the plot for?
[30:20] Like, she wants revenge on Spider?
[30:22] That's also a scene where maybe she would be drawn
[30:24] into Carly Gugino's sex games.
[30:27] Or maybe I'm just influenced by the fact that because of a
[30:31] Time Warner cable screw up, I now have Cinemax in my house.
[30:36] Free Cinemax.
[30:36] For a month.
[30:37] So everything is a potential set up for some sort of
[30:41] devious sex game.
[30:43] Or some kind of pornographic parody of a recent Hollywood
[30:46] blockbuster film shot in someone's
[30:48] backyard slash rec room.
[30:49] Or not so recent, like Playmate of the Apes.
[30:54] Yeah, that's true.
[30:55] That is a parody of the Planet of the Apes series as a whole.
[30:58] Or the movie Tarzina, Jiggle in the Jungle, which I'm not
[31:01] even sure what it is.
[31:03] Is it spoofing a Tarzan film?
[31:05] Is it spoofing Sheena, which is early 80s?
[31:09] I have to assume that since Tar is in the name,
[31:11] that it's Tarzan that they're spoofing.
[31:13] But what Tarzan movie are they spoofing?
[31:15] Are they spoofing the animated film?
[31:17] The one with Casper Van Dyne, Tarzan in the Lost City,
[31:20] or whatever it was called.
[31:21] Tarzan at the Center of the Earth.
[31:22] I thought maybe they were spoofing Greystoke.
[31:26] Yeah, Greystoke, The Legend of Tarzan.
[31:28] The Legend of Greystoke, whatever it was called.
[31:30] Megan, eyes are glazing over.
[31:32] Yeah, I don't know the Tarzan movies.
[31:34] Nor do I know these homemade movies.
[31:37] Let me explain the rec rooms, et cetera.
[31:39] This is a very low-budget softcore porn company
[31:42] that we're talking about.
[31:43] No, I think she doesn't know the Tarzan films.
[31:45] Oh, OK.
[31:46] Well, I don't know those either.
[31:47] Johnny Weissmuller, Olympic swimmer.
[31:49] He starred in many of these.
[31:50] The first one was directed by WS Van Dyke, Woody Van Dyke.
[31:54] And these are the low-budget.
[31:56] Mia Farrow's mom is the spoofing Tarzan.
[31:58] Really?
[31:58] The ape man on the spoofing Tarzan and his mage.
[32:00] Well, Mia Farrow's mom played Jane in the old Tarzan.
[32:02] Oh.
[32:03] No, no, no.
[32:03] I was wondering about the porns made from it.
[32:06] Oh, that's a company called what?
[32:08] Seduction Cinema is the name of it?
[32:09] I thought you were going to say Mia Farrow's mother
[32:12] was in the porn.
[32:13] No, no.
[32:14] And that would just be strange.
[32:15] I don't know that she made any movies
[32:16] after Hannah and her sisters.
[32:17] Tarzan and his maid, by the way.
[32:18] Mia Farrow's mom is in that?
[32:19] Yeah, she plays Mia Farrow's mom.
[32:21] Oh, what a stretch.
[32:24] But anyway, I was going to say the scene where
[32:26] this informant gets shot involves 50 Cent knows
[32:31] she's wearing a wire.
[32:32] That's right.
[32:32] So the cops force, they go, we've got to get her.
[32:35] And they force their way in.
[32:37] He's like, the Calvary's here.
[32:39] They rang the doorbell.
[32:40] They rang the doorbell.
[32:41] And the guy's like, no, I'm not letting you in.
[32:43] They're like, come on, we just want to talk.
[32:44] He's like, OK, I'll let you in.
[32:46] And he lets them in.
[32:46] He's like, I know what to look for and where to look for it.
[32:49] And 50 Cent has a big, fat bodyguard.
[32:52] Yes.
[32:53] The character's name apparently is Stubby, according
[32:57] to the credits, or Stubbs.
[32:58] And the man who played him is named Fatso.
[33:01] Is that true?
[33:01] According to the credits.
[33:02] Unless there's another character.
[33:04] Unless that's Brian Dennehy's new stage name.
[33:06] He's a large man.
[33:07] I think you should go for it.
[33:08] It's bold.
[33:09] He's adopting the name of Dom DeLuise.
[33:12] Dom DeLuise isn't using it.
[33:15] So they go to get her.
[33:18] 50 Cent gives her up.
[33:19] They're leaving.
[33:20] And he goes, hey, here's your wire back.
[33:23] And throws it to them in the air.
[33:25] And as Al Pacino goes to catch it,
[33:27] the fat bodyguard, for some reason, pulls out his gun.
[33:30] No, he's had his gun pulled already.
[33:32] Well, shows himself with the gun pulled.
[33:35] And they shoot him.
[33:36] And she gets caught in the crossfire.
[33:38] But it's literally one of those scenes where it's like,
[33:40] why did everyone start shooting their guns again?
[33:42] What was the reason for this?
[33:43] There were three people in the room.
[33:45] Out of those three, zero understood
[33:48] exactly what had happened in that action sequence.
[33:51] Why did shooting start?
[33:52] Who started it?
[33:54] And also, his bodyguard, he's a bodyguard for a drug dealer.
[33:57] He's probably not a great guy.
[33:59] But he's dead now.
[34:00] He was killed in the line of duty.
[34:03] That's the way the war on drugs works, Elliot.
[34:05] I guess so.
[34:06] And Al Pacino and Rob DeNiro, I guess
[34:08] that's when they need to go into counseling
[34:10] with the police psychologist.
[34:11] That's what starts that.
[34:12] It's very flippantly handled, like, oh, that guy's dead now.
[34:15] And you know what?
[34:16] This is a subplot that I didn't understand
[34:18] until I read the Wikipedia synopsis
[34:20] of the plot of Righteous Kill, which is the whole point
[34:25] of them going into counseling was
[34:27] that then they would write their feelings
[34:29] in those little notebooks, which they both got them.
[34:32] Got tied up because DeNiro didn't write anything
[34:34] in his notebook because he didn't give a shit about it.
[34:37] But Al Pacino was writing his confession the whole time.
[34:40] But they made it look like DeNiro was writing it.
[34:42] They put it together.
[34:44] All the puzzle pieces fell into place.
[34:46] By the way, all the puzzle pieces falling into place.
[34:49] At the end of the movie, there's a sequence
[34:51] that is the all the puzzle pieces fall into place
[34:54] sequence.
[34:55] And you can't see me over the medium of podcasting,
[34:58] but I'm making air quotes.
[34:59] Because all the puzzle pieces falling into place,
[35:01] the montage was not like, oh, of course, he said that,
[35:05] and that meant that.
[35:06] It was just, now we're going to show you flashbacks of everyone
[35:09] being shot, and we're going to show you
[35:11] Al Pacino shooting them.
[35:13] Yeah, because there are a couple of times when people get shot,
[35:15] and they're like, oh, detective, it's pa-coo, pa-coo, pa-coo.
[35:18] So you know it is a cop.
[35:20] Oh, it's you.
[35:20] What are you doing here?
[35:21] Kapow, kapow.
[35:22] Yeah.
[35:23] Well, there's a scene where Rob...
[35:24] He came to see me.
[35:26] Yeah.
[35:26] There's a scene where Carla Cugino, yeah,
[35:28] Carla Cugino has been, well, Al Pacino also,
[35:31] for Lord knows what reason, this makes no sense,
[35:34] beats up and rapes Carla Cugino, or at the very least,
[35:37] beats up and takes her clothes off.
[35:38] There's no reason for it.
[35:40] And then tastefully drapes a shower curtain over her.
[35:42] But like, there's no reason for it.
[35:43] And then she calls Brian Dennehy, and she's like,
[35:46] he was here, and he did this.
[35:48] And Brian Dennehy's like, if that's true,
[35:49] well, I'll send somebody after him.
[35:51] We'll find him.
[35:52] Well, that's not enough.
[35:53] I'll go get him.
[35:54] And it's like, they're just going way out of their way
[35:56] to avoid saying the name of the man who did it,
[35:58] because you're not supposed to know who it was yet.
[36:00] But it comes off as very stilted.
[36:01] And you know, I'm just remembering,
[36:04] in the beginning, there was the skateboarding pimp.
[36:06] Oh, yeah, he got shot.
[36:07] Played by Rob Rambo.
[36:10] And they refer to him as Rambo the skateboarding pimp.
[36:13] Played by, uh,
[36:14] He's an insane clown posse character.
[36:16] It really does.
[36:18] Played by, um,
[36:20] Rob Drydek from the reality series Robin Big.
[36:24] He didn't do a bad job.
[36:26] I don't know what that reality series is.
[36:27] It's a great, it's actually very funny.
[36:29] I don't like real life.
[36:30] I like fiction.
[36:31] I like Righteous Kill.
[36:32] Fiction like Righteous Kill.
[36:34] It was too real for me.
[36:35] It was too real.
[36:36] That's why we had to pretend that it was fiction.
[36:38] Shit just got real.
[36:41] Righteous Kill real.
[36:42] Yeah. Boom.
[36:43] Does anyone else have anything to say
[36:44] before we move on to the next thing?
[36:46] Don't watch this movie ever.
[36:47] Well, no.
[36:48] I feel like Werner Herzog listening to the tape
[36:51] of Timothy Treadwell being eaten by a bear,
[36:53] saying, don't ever watch this.
[36:55] We'll take this tape and burn it.
[36:57] Don't ever watch it.
[36:58] I won't, Werner.
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[38:05] Yeah, the next part is where we make
[38:06] our final judgments on the movie.
[38:08] Final judgment.
[38:10] Do-do-do-do-do-do.
[38:11] I had to do both parts because it was my turn.
[38:13] We didn't let Megan know that some foley
[38:15] was going to be required of her.
[38:17] Yeah, yeah, sorry.
[38:17] Well, next time maybe.
[38:19] So, basically, we have three official categories,
[38:21] and those are, this is a good bad movie,
[38:24] a movie that you enjoyed in its badness,
[38:28] a bad bad movie, a movie that should only be left up to you.
[38:33] Should only be left up to the professionals like us.
[38:36] Okay.
[38:37] Or a movie that you kind of liked,
[38:40] you found some actual redeeming quality in it.
[38:43] And so, Megan, as the guest, I'll go to you.
[38:45] I'm going to say this is a bad bad movie.
[38:48] I found no redeeming quality in it,
[38:50] and I mean, it was fun to watch
[38:54] with you two professional gentlemen,
[38:57] but I feel like-
[38:58] Professional gentlemen.
[38:59] You sound like we're escorts.
[39:01] Like we're dancers at a hall,
[39:04] and old ladies come by and pay us to dance.
[39:06] Wait, who's your guys' pimp?
[39:08] Brambo, the skateboarding pimp?
[39:10] Elliot, I've explained this to you.
[39:11] They don't pay us to dance.
[39:13] They buy a bottle of champagne for $50.
[39:16] And we're encouraged by the help.
[39:18] Sure.
[39:18] By the management.
[39:19] That's how it works.
[39:20] I'm sorry.
[39:21] Okay, but you two professionals.
[39:23] We're taxi dancers.
[39:24] Okay.
[39:27] I just feel like the plot is so convoluted, I guess,
[39:31] and the shots are terrible.
[39:33] The story's not worth paying attention to.
[39:36] This is a movie with-
[39:37] John Leguizamo.
[39:38] Is it this?
[39:39] It's a movie with a fairly straightforward story
[39:42] that they go way out of their way to overcomplicate
[39:44] to the point where it doesn't make sense anymore.
[39:45] And it makes you, when you're watching,
[39:47] it makes you think, wow.
[39:48] And makes you hurt.
[39:49] Well, no, it just makes you think, wow,
[39:51] Al Pacino and Robert De Niro, not good actors,
[39:54] which is probably something that is not true.
[39:56] If aliens found this-
[39:57] Well, it is true for the last 50 years.
[40:00] years maybe in human history in human history that i don't understand
[40:03] maybe not in alien history i can see why they're making
[40:06] this type of bad movie at their advanced age because they didn't have the talent
[40:09] to graduate to better films by this point you know
[40:13] i gotta say yeah a bad bad movie um this director john avnet
[40:18] also made the al pacino opus 88 minutes which is the movie again where a minor
[40:23] plot point is that al pacino's semen has been sucked out
[40:27] of the corpse of a woman he did have sex with
[40:29] and then inserted into the corpse of a woman he didn't have sex with oh wow i
[40:32] didn't i have not seen i have to say and where
[40:34] that was also a plot point in the film presumed innocent which was not a bad
[40:38] movie i don't know so it could be used i'm
[40:40] saying that if that happened in a good movie i'd be like
[40:43] that's a disturbing thing but in a bad movie it's like that's unnecessary
[40:47] that's a disturbing it's also a movie where a man has 88 minutes left to live
[40:50] basically and he spends much of it just hanging
[40:52] out in his apartment with alicia witt not really doing much of anything just
[40:56] kind of talking just hanging out just making cookies yeah well
[40:59] and this movie was sold on like you know you loved them in heat
[41:03] you wanted to see them in heat they were together in one
[41:06] scene in heat what if heat what if that one scene was a whole
[41:10] movie yeah yeah and i gotta say heat's all right
[41:14] it's about an hour too long in my opinion but it's it's a very like
[41:18] competently made movie it's an it's it's a thrilling movie in many ways
[41:22] this movie i had no idea what was happening from moment to moment and as
[41:26] you said elliot they have no chemistry together actually
[41:29] pacino and deniro it's it's heat is like even if they'd never
[41:33] made heat like this is travis bickle jake lamatta
[41:36] meeting you know michael corleone serpico in a movie
[41:40] like this should be even if they'd never done anything together even if they've
[41:43] never made godfather 2 where they're in the same movie but
[41:46] they don't have any scenes together this should have been like at least an
[41:49] interesting thing to watch right it could have been
[41:52] any two guys playing those parts and it would have been it would have been bad
[41:55] stuff yeah it would have been the same movie it would not have
[41:57] probably would have been better too like if they had like two like
[42:00] old guys who uh have been known for playing like detectives
[42:04] like if it was like i don't know james garner and dennis farina i would have
[42:07] enjoyed this movie more or like dennis franz and you know
[42:11] somebody yeah if this is a charles napier that's the thing
[42:16] this was the reuniting of dennis franz and david caruso like i would have been
[42:19] it would have made the movie more exciting you know true i really want to
[42:22] see james spader as one of these characters for some reason
[42:26] which one maybe the david finch both maybe
[42:29] both photography if patty duke could do it from james
[42:31] spader can do it just get that guy awake oh but anyway
[42:36] that's the evil twin is what you're saying i'm gonna agree with you guys
[42:39] there's a bad bad movie okay three for three don't watch it don't
[42:43] watch it so we do have a few letters but i'm gonna
[42:47] hold off on that until uh next time because uh stewart's not
[42:50] here can i read the letters after the
[42:52] recording yeah okay you guys just get disappointed
[42:55] when like they get read when one of you i do i like talking to the peeps
[43:00] yeah so i apologize megan i don't want you to feel like a second class
[43:03] are we gonna talk oh too late i already do attention
[43:07] uh we did get some attention from a uh norwegian gentleman
[43:11] oh um so i'm gonna tease that did you guys buy a bottle of champagne
[43:17] professional norwegian gentleman van olsen
[43:21] yeah i do like bad movies i don't want to offend our norwegian
[43:26] uh you've already had it too late too late um
[43:29] you should edit that out yeah he uh he wrote something about us on a
[43:33] norwegian um forum i don't think i don't think that
[43:37] it was about being norwegian but i i know that the forum was
[43:40] in norwegian uh and i i did a a free translation of it online oh okay it
[43:47] was mostly coherent it was mostly coherent so in the future
[43:50] i'm gonna blame the translation we'll talk a little bit about that i'm teasing
[43:52] that but right now what we are going to talk
[43:55] about is a movie that we've seen recently
[43:58] that we actually enjoyed some sort of recommendation
[44:01] or failing a recommendation just some sort of positive word
[44:06] to make us not feel like we're just bitter to cleanse the palate
[44:10] yeah okay to send you out uh singing a song
[44:14] yeah should i start yeah if you have one well yeah just because i
[44:18] i was just saying this to you to you guys to you professional gentlemen
[44:21] um i actually went to go see julie and julia
[44:26] with meryl streep and amy adams so i'm sure anybody listening to this podcast
[44:30] is like that's not for me they're like oh my girlfriend's making
[44:33] me go see that movie yeah exactly or they're like i'm so glad i
[44:37] don't have a girlfriend so i don't have to go see that movie
[44:40] yeah where's stewart i'll go hang out with him um but i live
[44:46] vicariously through his large penis
[44:50] and play uh some sort of fantasy football he's he's got everything
[44:55] yeah but meryl streep in this movie is incredible she does
[44:58] an incredible job of i think channeling julia childs without doing a
[45:02] you know like an impression of julia childs and it's a
[45:06] child i'm sorry thank you julia child she only had one child
[45:11] thank you she didn't actually have any children what
[45:14] it's true that's the sort of tidbit that you can take out as a woman
[45:18] and she she was a terrible thing to say yeah she was a fascinating lady or at
[45:22] least meryl street makes you believe that she was a fascinating lady
[45:26] so i recommend that go go to a matinee take it all in with the middle-aged
[45:31] ladies that surround you or your gay best friend the youngest person i was by
[45:35] far the youngest person well that and my friend that i went with my gay best
[45:39] friend joe who's only three years older than i am so i know a
[45:42] gay guy named joe maybe they're the same guy
[45:44] i bet they are there just can't be too many of them i don't think so
[45:47] okay so i don't know whether this is like actually a rousing recommendation
[45:52] it's more of a uh this movie was a lot better than i
[45:54] expected recommendation which was i saw gran torino recently
[45:58] oh i still have to see and based on the trailers i was like
[46:02] this is either going to be like a completely maudlin like
[46:05] you know exploration of a racist learning to love or it's going to be
[46:09] like a terrible latter-day revenge fantasy set in detroit
[46:14] and uh it was a little bit the first one towards the end of the movie like the
[46:19] last 20 minutes gets a little like melodramatic in a in a
[46:23] bad way i mean melodrama can be fun but like
[46:25] it goes a little over the top but what i didn't realize
[46:28] was it's basically a comedy in a lot of ways
[46:32] like if you ever want to see a movie that's just old clint eastwood
[46:36] yes uh growling at a series of people you know me that's all i want to see
[46:41] if it was a movie of clint eastwood sitting on a chair in his lawn just
[46:44] barking at pastor byes pastors by that would be the movie i want to say that's
[46:48] basically it oh then i want to see there's just like a
[46:50] series of characters that clint eastwood is presented with
[46:53] and he's just like an old jerk to all of them
[46:57] and he's literally like the first time he's you see him in the movie he's
[47:00] introduced by him growling like it's at his wife's
[47:03] funeral like the camera pans over all of the orders
[47:07] and they they go into clint eastwood he's like
[47:12] it's a fantastic performance from him you know
[47:15] it's it's grumpy old man torino grumpy old man torino and so on that level i
[47:22] really enjoyed it so that's what i would say i'd like to see that film
[47:25] i would like i have a very rousing recommendation
[47:28] uh did i recommend a matter of life and death already or no
[47:32] no but it sounds important yeah i guess it is a matter of life and death
[47:36] boom uh there's a movie i saw recently that i fell in love with
[47:40] called why don't you marry it i'm already engaged
[47:43] asshole i know i know if i had met the movie before i met daniel it would be a
[47:47] different story i'm telling her don't tell her i said that she doesn't
[47:50] listen to this anyway every girl wants to be
[47:54] well she just knows this as the thing that i do where i come home late once
[47:56] every two weeks yeah so i'm the guy who's keeping you away from her
[48:00] in her mind from hey somebody's waiting up for me too
[48:04] all right well anyway
[48:09] this is uh a matter of life and death is a
[48:12] british film from 1946 it was it from the powell and press burger team who you may
[48:18] know as perhaps the greatest director producer
[48:20] team in film history michael powell and emmerich press burger
[48:24] emmerich who you may who created such classics as the red shoes
[48:28] okay black narcissist the life and death of colonel blimp
[48:31] uh i know where i'm going michael powell would have gone to do peeping tom but i
[48:36] don't think press burger was involved in that one
[48:38] great like really great movies and this is one i hadn't seen yet
[48:41] where david david niven is an raf pilot the movie opens with him
[48:45] about to crash his plane and he makes his last
[48:49] communication with an american uh woman auxiliary officer who is manning the
[48:54] radio station in england and they amazingly hit it off while he's
[48:59] plummeting to a fiery death he decides to bail out of his plane he'd
[49:02] rather jump than burn up and it's so foggy that the man sent from
[49:07] heaven to get him misses him so he so he awakes on the
[49:11] beach completely alive not a scratch on him
[49:14] and the guy who was sent the angel sent to get him who is this kind of french
[49:18] fop who was killed during the french revolution
[49:20] uh so he's got a scarf around his neck that he won't take off because his head
[49:23] would fall off uh he's so it's a cross between a movie
[49:27] and an old campfire tale well kind of in a way
[49:30] but he keeps he says to him you have to come with me
[49:33] and david niven refuses to he's in love with this woman he doesn't want to go
[49:37] the woman is good friends with a psych with a neurologist who thinks that this
[49:40] is all going on inside of david niven's head
[49:42] and david niven says that i want to appeal to the highest court
[49:46] in heaven to get this so that i don't have to go like i deserve to stay on
[49:49] earth i don't want to tell everything that happens but like
[49:51] all the sequences set on earth are in color and all these sequences set in
[49:56] heaven are in black and white it's just like a really like take that
[49:59] heaven
[50:00] that yeah it's a really sweet movie in this but like it's there it's such a
[50:05] well-made movie and it's so good and like it's very funny at times that's
[50:10] very touching at other times and the way it shot is just absolutely beautiful like
[50:14] they never they always are looking for interesting ways to shoot things that
[50:18] don't look crazy but they just look interesting there's something about the
[50:21] way that pal impress burger their movies shoot objects in this kind of mid 40s
[50:26] very rich color that is that just looks beautiful like they everything has this
[50:30] very like firm three-dimension feel to it that a lot of movies don't get it's
[50:35] like very painterly colors but everything feels like it's in three
[50:38] dimensions so there's a really good movie I highly recommend it do it's
[50:42] called a matter of life and death but the DVD right now it was released in
[50:46] America under the title stairway to heaven DVD release I think is I don't
[50:50] stairway to heaven I've heard it under that okay but the original title was a
[50:53] matter of life and death which I think is a better title yeah because there's
[50:56] there's a song called right sure way to heaven which we all know don't play it
[51:00] Dan no don't play it I mean the music rights alone would because you'd be
[51:10] paying for the music rights on this podcast I know I don't I don't I don't
[51:13] use any kind of writer material although I don't think I don't think that the
[51:18] remaining members of Led Zeppelin would never know this this professional
[51:26] gentleman in Norway found you so so guys I think we better wrap it up because I
[51:30] can I can hear Elliot's allergies kicking in the longer he's in my cat
[51:36] filled apartment just the one cat but it does feel like it's not like we're like
[51:42] pushing open the door because there's so many cats in that it's hard to open the
[51:45] door we got a squeeze through these piles of cats we have a sketch about
[51:49] that yeah oh really yeah you didn't see that one oh I did not see that one it's
[51:53] for a later date yeah I was gonna come out and see another mr. white pants yeah
[51:57] the one I saw last time I liked a lot that Matt coffee is sure is funny he's
[52:02] not a star he is the best guy on that stage I like the Sun and then you got a
[52:08] couple I guess rocks that are with her just shines you know what if I was a
[52:14] six-foot-four guy with glasses and slightly strange like I would be funny
[52:18] too well on that note so stairway to heaven I'd like to say good night or
[52:28] good morning depending on when you're listening to this good afternoon for the
[52:32] podcast yeah really it's to order entertainment you want it yeah that's
[52:38] the beauty of it on demand for the flop house I've been Dan McCoy and I'm Megan
[52:43] O'Neill and I remain Elliot Kalin good night good night thank you
[52:48] that was so polite
[52:52] that's when things got weird that's when Dan turned into a gay monster

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0:00 - 0:37 - Introduction and theme0:38 - 5:20 - We spend some time discussing Stuart's penis and introduce our guest host, Meghan O'Neill.5:21 - 36:59 - How many lousy movies do two of the greatest actors of their generation have to make, before we give up on them?  Just one, if it's Righteous Kill.37:00 - 38:06- A break for station identification and all things Flop House.38:07 - 42:45 - Final judgments42:46 - 43:52 - We tease letters but cruelly do not read any this episode.43:53 - 51:27 - The sad bastards recommend.51:28 - 53:20 - Goodbyes, theme and outtakes.

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