The Flop House: Episode #101 - The Last Godfather

Dan McCoy

[0:00] In this episode, we discuss the only film where Harvey Keitel plays the father of a middle-aged Korean man, The Last Godfather.

[0:30] Hey, everyone, and welcome to The Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:37] My name is Elliot Kalin.

[0:39] And I'm the house cat.

[0:41] No, no, no. No, that's not true. 100% not true.

Al Madrigal

[0:46] What is that? I just thought I was filling in.

Elliott Kalan

[0:49] No, no, no. Well, you're filling in as yourself.

Al Madrigal

[0:51] Okay. And I'm Al Madrigal.

Dan McCoy

[0:54] That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Stuart's not here, but you know him from the world of comedy.

[1:00] And television.

[1:01] You know him from the world of TV and movies.

[1:04] And insurance commercials.

[1:05] You know him from the world of podcasts.

[1:08] And stand-up.

[1:09] And now you know him from the world of comedy movie podcasts.

[1:14] This one.

[1:14] Mr. Al Madrigal.

[1:15] This one pretty good.

Elliott Kalan

[1:16] Al Madrigal.

[1:17] Hi, guys.

[1:17] Thank you for joining us. You're filling in for Stuart Wellington, the usual third musketeer,

[1:22] the Athos to Dan's Porthos.

[1:25] Okay.

[1:26] And today you're our Aramis.

Al Madrigal

[1:28] And I feel like I didn't think when we were talking about this whole – was it the – what is he?

[1:33] He's the house cat or is it the –

Elliott Kalan

[1:35] Yeah, well, there is a house cat.

Al Madrigal

[1:37] There's a –

[1:37] There's a free-floating entity.

Elliott Kalan

[1:39] Flophouse.

[1:39] Sort of a trickster spirit.

Dan McCoy

[1:41] Flophouse house cat.

[1:42] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:42] The Native Americans refer to him as Coyote.

[1:45] Yeah.

[1:46] He's kind of a party dude who's a cat.

[1:51] He chimes in every now and then.

Dan McCoy

[1:52] He's the original party animal.

[1:53] Yeah.

[1:54] Other than the other party animals that preceded him.

Al Madrigal

[1:57] Yeah.

[1:57] I just really thought I would be able to chime in every now and then.

[2:00] No, no, no.

[2:00] We want you to talk as you.

Dan McCoy

[2:02] We want you to talk as a human being with feelings and opinions about things.

Elliott Kalan

[2:07] And words that are not just meow sounds.

[2:09] Wah, wah.

[2:10] Like that.

[2:11] Oh, God.

[2:11] It's a great house cat.

[2:13] You are enraging the fans right now.

Al Madrigal

[2:15] The fans are so mad.

[2:16] I think the fans will demand that I come back and Stuart will no longer be involved with the bike.

[2:22] Oh, wow.

[2:22] You.

[2:23] You are thrown down the gauntlet.

[2:25] The floplet.

[2:26] Was Stuart ever in a bad movie?

[2:30] No.

[2:31] Oh, that's true.

Dan McCoy

[2:33] No, it wasn't.

[2:33] Al was regaling us on our subway ride here.

[2:36] Come on.

[2:37] The glamour.

[2:38] On our limo ride here.

[2:39] Okay.

[2:39] That's right.

[2:40] With tales of, you know.

[2:42] Getting a call the day before shooting.

Al Madrigal

[2:44] And what was the movie you were in?

Elliott Kalan

[2:46] It was with Christian Slater.

Al Madrigal

[2:47] Lies and Illusions with Cuba Gooding Jr. and Christian Slater.

[2:51] Wow.

[2:51] In that order?

[2:52] Oscar winner.

[2:53] Actually, I think Christian Slater got top billing.

Elliott Kalan

[2:55] Oscar winner, Christian Slater.

[2:56] Yep.

[2:57] And Pulitzer Prize winner, Cuba Gooding Jr.

Al Madrigal

[3:00] Yeah.

[3:01] Or is it Cuba Gooding Jr.?

[3:02] Cuba.

[3:03] I believe he prefers Cuba.

[3:04] Okay.

[3:05] Where I was also, and the wardrobe, every bit of wardrobe in that movie is an item that

[3:12] Christian Slater refused to wear.

[3:14] And I was saying, and.

Elliott Kalan

[3:15] I like to think that it's like a tutu, butterfly wings, pajamas.

[3:20] He refused with good reason.

Al Madrigal

[3:23] Ill-fitting dress shirts.

[3:24] Maybe like a pastel mint green.

[3:27] No one would ever.

[3:29] And then.

[3:30] Madras shorts.

[3:31] This doesn't make sense.

[3:32] This is in Alaska.

[3:33] I don't get it, guys.

[3:35] Not too far off.

[3:36] We were in Spokane, Washington filming.

[3:37] That's where all the best movies are filmed.

[3:39] Oh, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[3:39] Because it looks like everywhere.

[3:41] Yeah.

[3:42] Spokane doubles for a lot of places.

Al Madrigal

[3:44] We also, they sent me the script in final draft and said, go for it.

Elliott Kalan

[3:49] I think it's those words.

[3:51] Go for it.

Dan McCoy

[3:51] Like, rewrite it.

[3:53] Like, rewrite it.

[3:53] Please.

[3:55] We are fresh out of ideas.

[3:57] We're just going to farm this out to all of you.

[3:59] We're going to crowdsource this.

Elliott Kalan

[4:01] I like to think of Christian Slater now, like hunched over the computer, like, all right,

[4:05] what do we do with this?

[4:06] Okay.

[4:06] Act three problems.

[4:08] Let's fix it.

Al Madrigal

[4:08] I guarantee you that he did not look at the script until day of.

[4:15] Do you think he knew he was in a movie or was it like Bowfinger?

[4:17] Yeah.

[4:18] He knew very well what he was doing because he pulled me aside and said, Al, this is it.

[4:23] Let me tell you what we're doing here.

[4:24] This is a cash grab.

[4:27] Old CG.

[4:29] All right.

[4:29] We're going to do this and pretend it never happened.

[4:33] Rizzled veteran Christian Slater.

Elliott Kalan

[4:35] As if this was a crime you were committing somewhere.

Al Madrigal

[4:37] Sure.

[4:38] No, and really did.

[4:39] I saw him look at his sides at some point and go, all right, let's do it.

Dan McCoy

[4:47] I love that attitude.

[4:48] All right.

[4:49] This is what you guys want to do.

[4:50] Let's go for it.

[4:51] I am 100% more forgiving of like the last 10 years in Christian Slater's career now that

[4:57] I've heard this.

[4:58] At some point, I think I was also looking at my sides and like, uh, thinking it was going

Al Madrigal

[5:03] to do my lines.

[5:04] To make sure we weren't splitting from all the hilarity.

[5:07] Do my lines.

[5:09] And he looked at me like, just what?

[5:12] Don't worry about that.

[5:14] And we were really.

[5:15] It wasn't really one of those knowing your lines kind of movies.

[5:18] No, I really.

[5:19] It is an improvised movie.

[5:20] Uh, that's it.

[5:21] And.

[5:23] It's called Lies and Illusions?

[5:25] Lies and Illusions.

Elliott Kalan

[5:26] Not Clive Barker's Lord of Illusions.

Al Madrigal

[5:28] No.

[5:28] And, uh, Tibor, the guy who directed it.

[5:31] You said Mansquito.

[5:32] He also.

Elliott Kalan

[5:33] You had mentioned that he directed a movie called Mansquito.

[5:35] I believe so.

[5:36] Which I've seen some of.

Al Madrigal

[5:37] I've got to.

[5:38] Well, you said it was some kind of man.

Elliott Kalan

[5:39] Is that a sci-fi original?

[5:41] I saw it on sci-fi.

[5:42] I think it might be a sci-fi original.

Al Madrigal

[5:44] No.

[5:45] Um.

[5:46] I think that.

[5:47] Was that a theatrical release?

[5:48] The Mansquito people.

[5:50] Um.

Elliott Kalan

[5:51] Well, Mansquito fans, write in and correct us.

[5:54] All you skeet heads.

[5:55] Ooh, that sounds bad.

Dan McCoy

[5:57] I mean, you know, like Mansquito then, of course, had the Vertigo comic series based off of that movie.

[6:03] You know, and then there were a lot of ancillary properties.

[6:07] Where are you going with this?

[6:07] There was the Mansquito radio show.

[6:10] There was.

[6:10] Yeah, Mansquito and the Mad Dog.

[6:11] Yeah.

[6:12] Wow.

[6:12] I cannot believe I pulled up.

Al Madrigal

[6:14] Yeah.

[6:15] Tibor Takaks is the name of the director.

[6:19] So Italian.

[6:21] Yes.

[6:22] Hungarian.

[6:23] Close.

[6:24] And, uh.

[6:24] I was in the right continent.

[6:26] Yeah.

[6:27] And, yeah, Mansquito, I believe.

[6:30] Let's see.

[6:31] Lies and Illusions.

Elliott Kalan

[6:33] Some kind of untitled Tibor fall project.

[6:37] There he is.

[6:39] The Gate.

[6:40] Oh, The Gate.

[6:41] He made The Gate.

[6:42] Was that with Johnny Depp?

Dan McCoy

[6:44] No.

[6:44] No, it was The Gate.

[6:45] The Gate's the one where they play the.

[6:47] I think of The Ninth Gate, I think.

[6:48] The Gate's the Canadian movie where they play the heavy metal record backwards and they open up a gate to hell.

[6:55] Oh, I don't know that one.

Elliott Kalan

[6:56] Wow.

[6:56] How come hell always has gates?

[6:58] You'd think they'd have a moon pass that's just a door.

[7:00] Nice door.

Dan McCoy

[7:01] Just a nice door with all of history's greatest criminals down there?

[7:05] I mean, a really big door.

[7:06] No.

[7:07] Like a big steel door.

Elliott Kalan

[7:08] You gotta have a gate.

[7:09] A reinforced gate.

[7:10] A gate says to me, if you're a skinny enough villain, you can slip through it.

Dan McCoy

[7:14] You have a gate.

[7:14] You need a portcullis, maybe.

[7:16] Some sort of.

[7:17] See, I'm thinking more like a fence.

Al Madrigal

[7:19] Here's something you don't see often.

[7:20] In 1996, he directed one episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch, which is hard to do.

[7:26] Just one.

[7:27] Not having him back.

[7:28] We are not having.

[7:29] Melissa Joan Hart is like, never again.

Elliott Kalan

[7:32] Tibor said everything he needed to say with the character in that one episode.

[7:35] Why make a sequel?

[7:37] It's unnecessary.

Al Madrigal

[7:38] A lot of red shoe.

[7:39] Oh, two red shoe diaries.

[7:40] You got two of them.

Elliott Kalan

[7:41] Now, this has nothing to do with the movie we watched tonight, though.

[7:43] No.

[7:44] This is the movie you made.

[7:45] Correct.

[7:45] And working with Tibor was okay?

[7:47] Or?

Al Madrigal

[7:47] The guy was willing to send me the entire script in final draft.

[7:52] Yes, it was awesome.

[7:53] Mega snake.

Elliott Kalan

[7:54] I assume that's either a really big snake or a snake lottery of some kind.

Al Madrigal

[7:59] He did ice spiders.

[8:00] He also did...

[8:01] Ice spiders?

[8:02] Mansquito, the black hole.

Dan McCoy

[8:04] Now, what's the relationship between ice spiders and ice pirates?

[8:07] I assume one rides the other, but which rides which, I don't know.

Al Madrigal

[8:10] My babysitter's a vampire.

[8:12] And then recently he's done spiders 3D.

[8:17] Okay.

[8:17] So he's working.

Elliott Kalan

[8:18] I mean, all spiders are 3D.

[8:21] So that's...

[8:23] That's my brand.

[8:24] Those are your bad movie credentials.

Al Madrigal

[8:24] That's why I think I'm a little bit more qualified than Stuart.

[8:28] Wow.

Elliott Kalan

[8:29] Wow.

[8:30] Stuart better hope that he makes a bad movie while he's on his vacation.

[8:34] Because you're making a pretty strong argument.

Al Madrigal

[8:37] So, and then why is Stuart in Puerto Rico?

[8:39] I don't understand.

Elliott Kalan

[8:39] Well, he's just on vacation.

Al Madrigal

[8:41] Oh, okay.

[8:42] Five months after being in Puerto Rico.

[8:44] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[8:44] I mean, they were just there less than a half year ago to get married, but...

Al Madrigal

[8:47] They made a pledge to go back every five months.

Dan McCoy

[8:51] No matter what's going on in their life, they just drop it.

[8:54] Hey, guys.

[8:55] Let's make a pledge.

[8:55] If we're still married, let's meet back here in five months.

Elliott Kalan

[8:59] Because they're not going to see each other?

[9:00] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[9:01] Well, they're busy.

Elliott Kalan

[9:03] If we're still married, we'll meet back here.

Dan McCoy

[9:05] It's a modern career man and career woman.

[9:08] They got to make time for each other.

Elliott Kalan

[9:10] You know how it is.

[9:10] It's hard.

[9:11] It's true.

[9:12] It is hard when you got two working people in a relationship.

Al Madrigal

[9:15] So now this The Last Godfather that we saw.

[9:18] Oh, yeah.

[9:19] That's the movie we saw tonight.

[9:20] That's the movie we saw tonight.

[9:21] I was working on...

[9:23] Well, this...

[9:23] We should just say...

Elliott Kalan

[9:24] Yeah.

[9:24] Well, the movie we saw tonight is called The Last Godfather.

[9:27] And this is a movie you brought to us.

Al Madrigal

[9:29] Yeah.

[9:29] I found in Ella J.

[9:30] Georgia at a rest stop gas station grocery store.

[9:35] I was doing my first film.

[9:36] I was doing my first field piece for The Daily Show.

[9:39] And we pulled over and shot some bad scene that was never used in the field piece.

[9:45] I was interviewing the number one Mitt Romney fan.

[9:47] And we found this one guy.

[9:48] Oh, that was a funny piece.

[9:49] Yeah.

[9:49] He was very enthusiastic about that.

[9:50] Joe McCutcheon.

[9:50] If you want to go back to TheDailyShow.com and look this up.

[9:53] This great character.

[9:54] I think we're going to meet up with him at the convention.

[9:57] That would be awesome.

[9:58] He is the nicest man.

[10:00] He's actually since then butt-called us while he was taking a dump to thank us again.

[10:08] He calls.

[10:09] Wait.

[10:09] How do you...

Dan McCoy

[10:10] I can understand butt-calling someone when your pants are fully up.

[10:14] But when they're down, it seems like it's harder to...

[10:16] He must have dropped it.

[10:16] I'm sure he dropped it.

[10:17] Dropped it.

[10:18] Called.

Elliott Kalan

[10:18] Dropped it towards...

[10:18] Yes.

[10:19] Hit the dial.

[10:20] He needed to go.

[10:21] Yeah.

Al Madrigal

[10:22] He propelled those pants away from him.

[10:25] Sweet, sweet man.

[10:26] But we found him in Ella J.

[10:28] Georgia.

[10:28] When we're shooting some sort of background stuff, I came across a rack, a movie rack.

[10:36] And thinking that you...

[10:38] I remember that you guys did this podcast.

[10:40] I was going through it.

[10:41] Now, I found The Last Godfather that I'd heard about.

[10:45] And I'll tell you the backstory on it.

[10:47] But I found different versions.

[10:49] I found a $3, a $4 version, and a $5.

Elliott Kalan

[10:53] So the same movie in three different editions.

[10:55] Correct.

[10:55] When there was...

[10:56] Price to move.

[10:57] With a $1 difference per disc.

[11:01] And so the question I have is, are they thinking someone's going to see the $5 and be like,

[11:05] that's a little much, and then see the $3, and that suddenly seems like a bargain to them?

[11:09] But this one is just right.

[11:13] Or do they see the $3, and they're like, well, I don't want to seem like a cheapskate.

[11:17] I guess I'll get the $4.

[11:20] The clerk knows me.

[11:22] I come in here all the time to buy my brokerage.

[11:23] Sure.

[11:24] And I don't want him to think I'm a cheapskate.

[11:26] I don't want to get the $3.

[11:28] I might as well get the $4.

[11:29] But at that point, it's just a dollar difference.

Al Madrigal

[11:31] Yeah, I'm screwing around with this dollar.

Elliott Kalan

[11:33] Let me just move up to the $5.

Al Madrigal

[11:35] No scratches.

[11:36] I know.

[11:37] Or he knows how they come.

[11:39] $3 means barely watchable.

[11:43] Okay?

[11:44] For the $2 extra, you get a nice, clean film.

Elliott Kalan

[11:48] Or maybe the $3 movie at 40 minutes in, it just cuts off.

[11:53] Yeah.

[11:53] And then the text just comes up on screen, for more, put in a dollar.

Dan McCoy

[11:58] Well, we're recording this on May Day, and I can only assume that the $3 version is for your Occupy Wall Street types,

[12:06] and that the $5 version is for the 1%.

[12:09] That's their version of The Last Godfather.

[12:11] That is the incoming equality gap right now.

[12:13] Yeah.

[12:14] Yeah.

[12:14] It's $2.

Al Madrigal

[12:16] So bought the high-end version and delivered this to you guys.

[12:18] We appreciate it.

[12:19] It drove like a dream.

Elliott Kalan

[12:23] Crystal clear, picture and sound.

[12:25] Yeah.

[12:26] Really the way the movie was meant to be seen, which is ironic since the movie was not meant to be seen.

Al Madrigal

[12:31] Really was.

[12:32] But with some name actors in the movie.

Elliott Kalan

[12:34] This is a movie that we should say, this is a film written, directed, and starring by a man named Hyun-rae Shim,

[12:41] who is one of the top comedy stars and science fiction stars in South Korea.

[12:46] He actually was the star of a long-running children's science fiction film series in the 80s.

[12:51] There's like at least eight installments of it.

[12:54] And he directed a previous Flophouse entry, D-Wars, Dragon Wars.

Dan McCoy

[13:01] Yeah, D-Wars colon Dragon Wars.

Elliott Kalan

[13:03] Or either that or it was Dragon Wars colon D-Wars.

[13:06] I can't remember which.

[13:07] But he directed that.

[13:09] And so this is – he is a big wheel in the South Korean film industry.

Al Madrigal

[13:12] So big that he tried to make his last godfather his foray into the American market.

[13:19] Crossover hit.

[13:20] Sure.

Elliott Kalan

[13:21] This is also – this is a movie that in Korea is called The Dumb Mafia.

[13:25] So we'll get it.

[13:26] More accurate.

[13:28] But who are some of the big-name stars that he has in this?

[13:30] Some surprisingly big-name stars.

[13:31] Harvey Keitel.

[13:32] Harvey the Kite Keitel.

Al Madrigal

[13:35] And as Christian Slater would put it, doing a little cash grab action.

Elliott Kalan

[13:39] And you can tell that his heart is not exactly in this role.

[13:43] He has a crying scene that is –

[13:47] Yeah, he sort of shakes his shoulders at the top of the times.

[13:50] He indicates.

[13:51] Also, Coen Brothers' favorite, John Pulido.

[13:55] Kevin Smith' favorite, Jason Mewes, is in this.

[13:59] What's her name from – was it House of the Devil?

Dan McCoy

[14:01] The lead actress from House of the Devil is the romantic lead in this.

Elliott Kalan

[14:05] And when we tell you a little about the movie, you'll be surprised there's a romantic lead in this film.

Al Madrigal

[14:10] John Panette, a very funny Canadian comedian.

[14:14] Is that the large gentleman?

[14:16] Yes.

[14:16] I've seen him around in a lot of things.

[14:17] He's in a lot of things.

[14:18] A classic bit.

[14:20] You go now at the Chinese buffet.

[14:23] Do you know?

[14:24] No way?

[14:24] I don't know that one.

[14:25] Yeah, it's great.

[14:26] That's his –

[14:27] Oh, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[14:27] No, I think that from the days of Comedy Central,

[14:30] when it was just clips of stand-up, I remember that.

[14:33] I was racking my brain.

[14:34] I looked at the IMDb, and I was like, I don't –

[14:38] I know I recognize this guy.

[14:39] I've never seen him doing stand-up on TV, but I don't –

[14:40] But I don't know what I've seen him from.

[14:41] And now, like –

Al Madrigal

[14:42] Yeah, some classic bits.

[14:44] It's when Comedy Central was giving out those half-hour comedy specials in 1992, 93 that made, like, Gabriel Glazes and Mitch Hedberg and Nick Swartson sort of famous.

[14:55] John Panette had one as well.

[14:57] And his bits that everyone just – him at the Chinese buffet eating everything.

[15:03] And then, you go now.

Elliott Kalan

[15:05] You go now.

[15:06] Oh, yeah.

Al Madrigal

[15:07] And then, Hervé Villach as the Batman.

[15:10] Wait, what?

Elliott Kalan

[15:11] I don't remember that one.

[15:13] Yeah, yeah.

Al Madrigal

[15:13] I am the Batman.

[15:16] Those are his two bits.

[15:17] I'm not –

Elliott Kalan

[15:17] Well, here he's just kind of playing a fat, bumbling gangster.

[15:20] Yeah, yeah.

Al Madrigal

[15:20] He did a great job.

[15:22] He didn't do it.

Elliott Kalan

[15:22] But so here's the – so as we said, Young Ray Shim stars, writes, directs.

[15:28] It's a tour de force.

[15:29] He's a real auteur in the world of The Last Gangster – The Last Godfather.

[15:34] I keep wanting to call it The Last Gangster, which is an Edward G. Robinson movie from the 40s, totally different movie.

[15:40] Yeah.

[15:40] In that there is less – there's about 100% less Korean man-child romance in that.

[15:48] And so The Last Godfather – should I just mention the plot very quickly?

[15:52] Yeah, you should just run through it quick.

[15:54] Harvey Keitel is a gangster.

[15:57] We're introduced to the fact that we're in the past in New York by some film footage of the old Lower East Side, literally stock footage in black and white.

[16:06] I thought it was the 30s.

[16:07] Then about 30 minutes into the movie, someone's watching a television.

[16:11] So I was like, oh, I guess this is the 50s.

[16:13] That's a little different.

[16:15] But Harvey Keitel is an aging mobster.

[16:18] He's tired of being the head of the family.

[16:21] And his right-hand man assumes that he's going to become – his right-hand man, Tony, assumes he's going to be named as the next boss.

[16:29] But it turns out Harvey Keitel has a son.

[16:31] He wants his son to be the boss.

Al Madrigal

[16:33] Son no one knew about.

[16:34] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[16:34] Nobody.

[16:35] Except, I guess, Harvey Keitel, who just stuck him in an orphanage for a number of years.

Dan McCoy

[16:40] To protect him, I think.

[16:41] Oh, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[16:41] To protect him from his enemies.

[16:42] When he was on the run –

[16:44] Yeah, he's like Spider-Man, you know?

Dan McCoy

[16:46] Yeah.

[16:47] It's too much responsibility.

[16:48] The villains are going to always strike out of the ones that he loves the most.

Elliott Kalan

[16:51] Yeah, that's why he's the masked mobster.

[16:53] Yeah.

[16:55] So it turns out years ago when he was a young man, he was on the run from a mob war and went to Korea.

[17:02] And there fell in love and had a son with a Korean woman.

[17:05] Now it's time for that Korean son to come back and take over the family.

[17:09] Thus enters our hero who is kind of like – how do you describe it?

[17:15] He's like if Harpo Marx was really like not charismatic or like if Forrest Gump was about ten times dumber.

Dan McCoy

[17:23] Harpo Marx were like 20 years older and Korean and maybe like not just like an imp but mentally deficient in some way.

Elliott Kalan

[17:35] He seems like he is – pardon the word – retarded.

[17:37] Sort of like a Roberto Benigni is Pinocchio kind of character.

[17:41] And he is bad at everything.

[17:44] He doesn't really understand English but he says it.

[17:46] He'll repeat English phrases.

[17:48] He's just like your classic like clumsy innocent but to the point where – and he is too old to be playing this type of character.

Al Madrigal

[17:56] I saw on his IMDb that he was born in 1958 playing Harvey Keitel's son who was born in 1939.

[18:05] Young Ray Shem clearly lies on his IMDb page because he is –

[18:09] He does not look approximately the same age.

[18:11] They really do.

Elliott Kalan

[18:13] If anything, it looks like Harvey Keitel is his son.

[18:16] But maybe that's overstating it.

[18:19] But he is – and he's just like this.

[18:23] It seems like it is a guy who – one of these – like someone who should be in a home, you know, in a place where he has a nurse watching him at all times.

[18:31] Or he can't harm himself.

Al Madrigal

[18:33] Yeah.

[18:33] Sure.

[18:34] But this character, Young-Goo, that he plays –

Elliott Kalan

[18:37] That's why the character's name is Young-Goo.

[18:39] And this is a character he's played in many movies apparently.

[18:42] Like this is a character that he does – it's like his Mr. Bean I guess or like his –

[18:47] His little tramp.

[18:48] His little tramp.

[18:48] He's in different adventures.

[18:50] And one of the movies that you mentioned on his IMDb page is Young-Goo Meets Count Dracula.

[18:55] Yes.

[18:55] Which I want to see so badly now.

[18:58] Because this is a comedy.

[18:59] But it is a comedy that at times you're watching it and you're like –

[19:03] Like is this a prank?

[19:04] Like is this –

[19:05] It feels like this is – like when Tim and Eric's movie should have been this.

[19:10] Like this bizarre gangster comedy that stars this person who cannot speak English that well in the movie at least and is playing this really mentally challenged character for laughs.

[19:23] And Harvey Keitel has to take it seriously within the world of the movie.

Al Madrigal

[19:26] Sure.

[19:26] And then so the – here he is right away when Harvey Keitel explains this.

[19:32] And then he says, here he is now.

[19:34] And this cab drops.

[19:36] The nun.

[19:38] And we end up seeing later the whole thing – the premise is that this orphanage in Korea is relocating.

Elliott Kalan

[19:45] To the United States.

[19:46] To the United States.

[19:47] Which never happens.

[19:48] They have no money.

Dan McCoy

[19:50] These orphans.

[19:51] It's just moved the whole thing.

[19:53] I guess it was built on an ancient Indian burial ground before so they got to move the orphanage.

Elliott Kalan

[19:58] The nuns got a really great business offer in New York.

[20:00] Well, we got to move the orphans.

[20:02] Look, we got to take advantage of this.

[20:04] Tax break for orphanages in New York now.

Al Madrigal

[20:06] So Young-Goo gets dropped off and says here – and then to thank the nun, Harvey Keitel presents her with a fur coat and a bottle of Chianti.

Elliott Kalan

[20:14] Because he's Italian.

[20:17] And Young-Goo is overjoyed to see his father.

[20:21] The other mobsters are like, this is kind of weird.

[20:23] Cut to – the next scene is a – they're all eating together and Young-Goo is just tearing through watermelon like crazy.

[20:29] And it's – everything he does is so physically exaggerated to the point where it looks like he's in pain when he's doing comedy.

[20:37] But anyway, to make a long story short, there's another family, the arch-nemesis family headed by John Pulido.

[20:43] And Jason Mewes is his right-hand man, I guess.

[20:47] But he's kind of a bad guy.

Dan McCoy

[20:49] It's a remake of Miller's Crossing is what you're saying.

[20:51] Pretty much.

[20:52] Two warring mafia families, one of them headed by John Pulido.

Elliott Kalan

[20:56] And John Pulido's daughter is an innocent.

[21:00] She works with the orphans at the orphanage even though the orphanage just moved there.

[21:05] And long story short, they try to make Young-Goo into a mobster.

[21:09] At first it looks like he's not going to be able to do it.

[21:11] He's a big embarrassment.

[21:13] He can't fight.

[21:14] He can't do anything correctly.

[21:16] At one point he's in a park and there's a push cart where someone's selling lingerie and he just starts putting women's bloomers on.

[21:23] It doesn't make any sense why he's doing these things.

[21:26] But then, so he decides, they try to teach him how to run a protection racket.

[21:30] They try to teach him how to torture a guy.

[21:33] They try to teach him, like, this is, by the way, this is the hero of the movie, the childlike innocent.

[21:37] And the movie is supposed to make you, like, wish, like, oh, Young-Goo, you've got to learn how to be a mobster.

[21:42] Come on.

[21:43] Shoot the guy, Young-Goo.

[21:44] Come on.

[21:45] It's not like these are good mobsters or something like that.

[21:47] Like they have a protection racket.

[21:49] He's supposed to shoot a guy at one point.

[21:51] But things aren't working out.

[21:54] Even though he really takes well to torturing someone with ice.

Al Madrigal

[21:57] Yeah.

[21:57] I don't think.

[21:58] So they cut the scene leading up to that.

[21:59] And they must have.

[22:00] Because all of a sudden, inexplicably, Young-Goo and Jon Panette are just sliding a guy back and forth on the large block of ice.

[22:08] While singing Christmas carols.

[22:09] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[22:10] And Young-Goo's shoveling ice cubes into his underpants.

[22:16] Into the guy's underpants.

[22:17] It seemed effective.

[22:18] Not his own.

[22:18] But it seemed like an effective method of torture.

[22:20] Yeah.

[22:21] He did not like it.

Elliott Kalan

[22:22] Who would?

[22:23] Young-Goo has a flair for sadism.

[22:26] Yeah.

[22:26] Flair for pain.

[22:26] Yeah.

[22:27] He's like a child.

[22:29] But Young-Goo falls in love with the daughter of the opposite guy.

[22:33] Things are not looking good for him.

[22:35] It looks like he's not cut out for this mob life.

[22:37] Then he snaps.

[22:38] And he just walks through town, walking into businesses and saying, you give me money.

[22:43] I'm mafia.

[22:44] I'm mafia.

[22:44] And then fixing their businesses.

[22:47] He tortures a woman with hairspray to the point that she suddenly has a beehive hairdo that she loves.

[22:54] He goes into a dress store and tears the woman's dress so that it becomes a miniskirt.

[22:59] The woman loves it.

Dan McCoy

[23:00] He walks into a hamburger shop, like a diner, where we see a customer take one bite out of a hamburger and then put it down and walk out.

Elliott Kalan

[23:07] Yeah.

[23:08] And by the way, there's also like a pile of hamburgers on the side.

Dan McCoy

[23:13] This just happens with every customer.

Elliott Kalan

[23:15] And Young-Goo walks in and to make his point, slams a hamburger patty down, slams a second patty on it, then adds, you know, lettuce, pickles, whatever.

[23:23] Special sauce.

[23:24] Special sauce, sesame seed bun.

[23:26] He's invented the Big Mac.

[23:27] So in this, this is the most brilliant section of the movie where Young-Goo, in his anger and attempt to become a mafia man, invents the beehive hairdo, the miniskirt and the Big Mac.

Dan McCoy

[23:36] Young-Goo is the father of the modern age.

Elliott Kalan

[23:38] And he has made everyone so happy that the neighborhood is so economically revitalized.

[23:44] And he made us happy.

Al Madrigal

[23:45] I think at that point, we really did start liking it.

[23:48] Turned around.

Elliott Kalan

[23:48] We really fell under the spell of the film at that point.

[23:51] By the point, we realized that this movie makes no sense.

[23:55] And we're just supposed to accept that Young-Goo is a bad guy who causes good things to happen through evil.

[24:01] Anyway, so the neighborhood is economically revitalized to the point that Young-Goo is a hero.

[24:06] When he and his father walk through town, people just press things into their hands.

[24:10] Food, wine, just a shot.

[24:12] Bananas.

Al Madrigal

[24:13] Marinara sauce.

[24:13] At the point, there's just a woman waiting for him.

[24:16] An extra is standing.

[24:17] He's down the block.

[24:19] There's an extra already out set with marinara sauce just ready to hand him.

Elliott Kalan

[24:25] It's good.

[24:25] It's well-directed.

[24:26] Yes.

[24:26] Is what you're saying.

[24:27] Everything's natural.

[24:28] Young-Rae Shim.

[24:31] Auteur.

Dan McCoy

[24:33] Korea's master.

Elliott Kalan

[24:34] Let's just call him Korea Stevens-Field-Word.

[24:36] Yeah.

[24:36] We know it's true.

[24:39] After that, there's a lot of gangster double-crossing.

[24:42] Jason Mews.

[24:43] Jason Mews wants to sell out his boss.

[24:46] He tries to make a deal with Harvey Keitel's lieutenant, who you think might take him up on it.

[24:52] He thought he was going to get this big job, and now he's been passed over in favor of, let's face it, a retarded guy.

[25:00] Then he says no.

[25:02] He has loyalty.

[25:04] And Young-Rae, and Young-Goo saves him, rescues him from being kidnapped.

[25:09] Everyone's friends.

[25:11] Young-Goo has a fantastic day out with John Pulido's daughter that, what do they do?

[25:18] They just kind of wander around.

[25:19] You know, montage stuff.

[25:21] Ice cream.

[25:22] Ice cream.

[25:22] Hang out.

[25:23] He goes to remove a bee that's on her shoulder in a way that makes it look like they're having sex.

[25:28] You wouldn't kill a fly.

Al Madrigal

[25:30] And it turns out it was a bee.

[25:32] Yeah.

[25:33] Yeah.

[25:34] And at the end, she said, oh, you really wouldn't kill a fly.

[25:38] Like, you know, then that was a fly.

[25:40] So they end up, it looks like they're.

[25:41] That was the big problem with the movie.

[25:42] Yeah.

[25:42] She said fly, but it was a bee.

[25:43] The script girl should have been fired for that one.

Dan McCoy

[25:46] This was an A-plus film.

Al Madrigal

[25:47] Ladies and gentlemen of the jury.

[25:49] Until that moment.

[25:50] Are we to believe this is supposed to be some sort of striped fly?

[25:53] But they're being followed by Jason Mewes and his little gang, his brother, and he, they see young goo all over Nancy.

Elliott Kalan

[26:04] Yeah.

[26:04] Nancy is the daughter in a way that makes it look like he's just right in broad daylight in the front seat of the car, just going at her.

[26:13] And if they, this happens for about a second.

[26:15] And then the guy, one of the guys goes, that's stamina.

[26:18] Yeah.

[26:19] But like, it makes you wonder what this guy's home life is like.

[26:22] He can barely keep it up for like a second, you know?

Dan McCoy

[26:24] Yeah.

[26:25] Two, two, two seconds of dry humping.

[26:27] And that, that, that's it.

Elliott Kalan

[26:28] Apparently that's stamina guys.

[26:30] Am I right?

[26:31] What?

[26:32] No.

[26:32] It's the fifties.

[26:34] But I wonder what it was like for the actress playing Nancy to have to play these romantic scenes with this bizarre character who's being played by a South Korean man who says he's in his fifties, but is possibly older.

[26:50] And who is also directing the scene.

[26:52] And it's just the romance between them is so completely.

Al Madrigal

[26:55] I mean, at this point with, as an actor, are you thinking you're making a film that's only going to be seen in Korea?

[27:00] So it's like one of those, like, um, I'm going to be this spokesperson, Ben Affleck.

[27:04] But an English language film.

[27:05] You know, Japanese cologne that you're going to be advertising.

[27:08] So they're just, I just don't understand.

[27:11] I think they did get actors that everybody needs to work.

[27:14] Yeah.

[27:14] And you get this offer.

[27:16] A job is a job.

[27:18] And you just sort of take the money and bank out with a Korean guy.

[27:24] I mean, they didn't really.

[27:25] You're humped by Younggu.

Elliott Kalan

[27:27] It's the old Hollywood adage.

[27:30] She's going through the script.

[27:31] And when I read exterior car, Nancy is humped by Younggu.

[27:35] It didn't quite hit me physically what was going to happen in the scene.

[27:40] So, okay, there's double crossing, triple crossing.

[27:43] Jason Mewes is on a rampage.

[27:45] He arranges it so it looks like Harvey Keitel kidnapped Nancy.

[27:48] Leading to a, both sides of the mafia battle war.

[27:54] Like a face off.

[27:55] Face off the same street.

[27:57] Tommy guns everywhere.

[27:59] Harvey Keitel and John Pulido start to talk.

[28:01] Say, maybe this isn't the right thing to do.

[28:02] But Younggu.

Al Madrigal

[28:03] Guess whose gun goes off.

Elliott Kalan

[28:05] Gun goes off.

[28:07] Suddenly, it is an all-out shooting war.

[28:09] And people are dying.

Dan McCoy

[28:10] Like, this is not a comedy shootout.

[28:13] At the end of this goofy comedy.

[28:14] Like, at least 20 people get shot to death.

Elliott Kalan

[28:17] And just in the street.

[28:18] And it's not like, boing.

[28:19] It's not like one of those movies.

[28:21] Earlier in the movie, a bomb went off prematurely.

[28:23] And the guys that were in the explosion, they just have tattered clothes and soot all over their faces.

[28:29] Like, it's a cartoon.

[28:30] But here people are getting shot and falling off of fire escapes.

[28:32] What?

[28:33] Like, they're dying.

Al Madrigal

[28:33] And also, Blake Clark, who's the cop, who you may have seen.

[28:39] Adam Sandler uses him a lot because he's an old stand-up comic.

[28:42] All right.

[28:43] He's just showing up periodically.

[28:45] Just to the point.

[28:46] I think in the second appearance, you forgot he was in the movie altogether.

Elliott Kalan

[28:50] Yeah.

[28:51] He's like the police chief or something.

[28:53] Or he's just a cop.

[28:54] And at first, you're like, okay.

[28:56] The cops are going to get.

[28:57] There's going to be trouble when the cops try to catch Younggu.

[28:59] No.

[29:00] They just show up every now and then and have his car gets blown up.

[29:03] Or like they run away from something.

Dan McCoy

[29:05] Yeah.

[29:06] At the end, they show up for one last time and all the mafia cock their guns and they run away.

[29:13] And that's the last we see of the cops.

Elliott Kalan

[29:14] I think they're trying to establish this is a city without law.

[29:17] Mm-hmm.

[29:17] This is what happens without a firm hand to keep the criminal element in check.

Dan McCoy

[29:21] But the other thing about like all these people dying at the end of this movie is like this is not a dark comedy.

[29:26] Like if this was like the tonally.

[29:28] This should be a family comedy.

[29:30] You know, you could.

[29:32] I would laugh if like the hero accidentally sets off a bloodbath and then like, okay, this shocks me into laughter.

[29:40] No, this is like a goofy comedy with like, if you say, boing sound effects and stuff.

[29:44] And then in the end, it's like, well, okay, this guy caused everyone to die.

Al Madrigal

[29:48] Yeah, he killed everyone.

[29:49] And Younger was just left standing.

[29:51] Yeah, see, that would be.

[29:52] He's the last godfather.

[29:54] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[29:55] But no, he doesn't kill everybody.

[29:56] Oh, I get it.

[29:58] He saves Harvey Keitel's life, thus showing Harvey Keitel the error of his ways in having a gunfight.

[30:05] They call an end to the gunfight.

[30:07] Nancy shows up.

[30:08] She's been saved.

[30:10] And Harvey Keitel and John Plito were like, we shouldn't, you're right, we shouldn't fight each other.

[30:14] We should work together like real mobsters do.

[30:17] And Jason Mewes is mad at Youngu and challenges him to a duel, I guess, like a face-off.

[30:24] Five feet away.

[30:26] They're so close to each other.

[30:28] There's no way either one can miss when they shoot.

[30:30] And Jason Mewes, for it feels like about 30 minutes, swirls his gun on his fingers.

[30:36] I still don't understand what that was.

Dan McCoy

[30:40] I mean, he clearly has not practiced this either.

[30:44] Like, he can twirl his gun on his finger as well as, I would say, any of the three of us.

Elliott Kalan

[30:48] I mean, not as well as Youngu because Youngu tries and he can't do it.

[30:51] But it's like, you and me, we're going to shoot each other.

Al Madrigal

[30:57] Okay, let me do some gun tricks first.

[30:59] And then Youngu tries to do the gun trick and shoves the gun right into his fly.

[31:03] So that's classic Youngu, by the way.

Elliott Kalan

[31:06] There's a lot of bits in this movie that feel like classic Youngu.

[31:08] He tries to pick up his hat, but he keeps kicking it by accident.

[31:12] He does a little dance and then he falls over a trash can.

Al Madrigal

[31:14] It's a movie built around settings where, like, so they go in, they're in the weight room at one point.

[31:19] Yeah, weight room.

[31:20] There's a self-defense class.

[31:22] The brassiere stand is classic Youngu.

Elliott Kalan

[31:24] Classic Youngu.

[31:27] Youngu is the, this is my breakout movie.

[31:29] I'm doing all my classic material.

[31:31] This is time for the hits.

[31:32] The best of Youngu, yeah.

[31:35] So they, but then he says, okay, on the count of five, we're going to shoot each other.

[31:40] Okay.

[31:41] So on the count of five and Youngu shoots him and he goes, ah, what did you do that for?

[31:46] You said five.

[31:47] You said five.

[31:48] I said, count of five.

[31:50] Bang.

[31:50] Shoots him again.

[31:52] Why did you do that?

[31:53] You say five.

[31:54] I said, count of five.

[31:55] No.

[31:55] Five.

[31:56] A third time.

[31:58] And that's the end of the gunfight.

[31:59] And Jason Mewes has the best line of the whole movie, which is, he's just lost everything.

[32:05] Everyone knows he betrayed his godfather.

[32:06] He's probably going to get killed.

[32:08] He's just been shot a couple times by Youngu.

Al Madrigal

[32:10] And he goes, oh, he's so stupid.

[32:14] It's like, at that point.

Elliott Kalan

[32:15] The movie is like, yeah, if you didn't get it by now, we're just going to say it.

[32:19] Youngu is stupid.

[32:22] Just in case there's anyone in the audience.

[32:24] Look, we got to wrap this movie up.

[32:25] Just in case anyone did not get the point.

[32:29] Let's just stop being subtle.

[32:30] Okay.

[32:32] And everyone's happy.

[32:33] Youngu is going to be the new godfather.

[32:35] The two crime bosses are going to divide up the city between them and be the Lords of Vice in New York.

Al Madrigal

[32:40] You take the judges, I'll take the wharf.

[32:44] You take their divide.

[32:45] They literally are dividing at the final scene.

[32:48] Yeah, at like a garden party.

[32:49] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[32:50] And they've, but also as part of this, they've signed over their personal assets to Youngu, which makes no sense.

[32:55] And Youngu takes all that money and gives it to the orphanage.

[32:58] And then he and Nancy drive off into this.

Al Madrigal

[33:01] The orphanage is so wealthy, they have relocated from Seoul, Korea.

Elliott Kalan

[33:04] They are an international, they're a global orphanage.

Dan McCoy

[33:07] But they don't have any money.

[33:08] But then I also, I love the last line in the movie, which is something like, oh, we're happy now, but not until my dad catches us or something like that.

Elliott Kalan

[33:15] Then he goes, but when my dad catches us, because that's the sound of putting your finger across your throat.

[33:20] Yeah.

[33:21] And it's like, oh, Youngu, you're going to get killed.

[33:23] But we didn't mention there's a lot of upsetting scenes in this.

[33:28] Oh, no.

[33:28] Well, we can circle back now that we've kind of laid out the.

[33:31] This is a movie that like we you you left the DVD case out on my desk with a note saying, you know, found this in a gas station.

[33:38] Enjoy.

[33:39] And from the cover, I was like, this is going to be a stupid comedy.

[33:42] But I had no idea what I like transcendently stupid comedy was going to be in terms of like.

[33:49] Like at times it felt like the movie was playing this triple game of like, OK, this is a really shitty comedy, but we know it's a shitty comedy and we're doing it on purpose.

[33:59] But maybe we don't.

[34:01] But we are.

[34:02] But it's possible we don't.

[34:04] But we do.

[34:05] But like it's I couldn't tell at any given point what anyone was thinking when they were making this.

Al Madrigal

[34:09] At one point where Younggu is drinking away his troubles and the.

Elliott Kalan

[34:16] Yeah, he's at a whorehouse.

Al Madrigal

[34:17] At a whorehouse.

[34:20] And really, he starts with, you know, two or three beers.

[34:23] And then in a couple cuts where it's what, 40 beers.

Elliott Kalan

[34:29] The bar is covered in beer bottles, like all lined up.

[34:32] Like it's ridiculous.

Al Madrigal

[34:33] Younggu had no less than 40 beers.

[34:36] Definitely no less than 40.

[34:38] Yeah.

[34:38] So he goes over and we think he's going to vomit.

[34:41] But Jason Mews and his brother pop up.

[34:45] From behind a chair.

[34:47] And then sneak out right behind Younggu.

[34:52] They're following him.

[34:53] Younggu rounds a corner.

[34:54] Now we're in an exterior shot.

[34:56] And they say, there he goes.

Elliott Kalan

[35:02] Like they've been sticking it out from outside.

[35:04] As if they were waiting for him and not in the building with him.

[35:07] He's usually inches behind him.

Al Madrigal

[35:10] Sneaking out behind him.

Elliott Kalan

[35:11] They're also, they're going to inject him with a poison.

[35:15] And there may be a foot behind Younggu talking normal conversational tones.

[35:21] Okay.

[35:21] Jab him with this.

[35:22] And if you put all of it in, he's going to die.

[35:24] And there are extras walking around, like just going about their day, coming home from work, I guess.

Dan McCoy

[35:29] He's closing up the brassiere stand.

Elliott Kalan

[35:30] Yeah, and it's like nobody bats an eye at two men with a syringe in their hands talking about how they're going to kill a guy who's right in front of them.

Dan McCoy

[35:39] But also, when the guy is about to kill him, like every time he does it, he does the biggest wind-up before like putting a...

[35:45] And then he's stopped because Younggu, of course, looks around.

[35:49] But it's as if someone today was doing a parody of an Abbott and Costello routine, they would do that.

[35:54] They would do like, okay, I'm going to do it right now in just another...

[35:59] Whoa!

Elliott Kalan

[36:00] Okay, I'm just scratching my ear.

[36:02] Nothing on here.

[36:03] Oh, right, just okay, going to put it right in.

[36:06] It is...

[36:07] These are not good gangsters.

[36:09] They're not good at what they do.

[36:11] But I would mention...

[36:12] It's just there's something about...

[36:13] Younggu is the lovable hero.

[36:15] And in the course of this movie, we see him bully three shop owners with violence.

[36:20] He steals pennies from children.

[36:22] That's true.

[36:23] And threatens them with a gun.

[36:25] He tortures a man with a block of ice.

[36:27] He hits I don't know how many people with a baseball bat in the head.

[36:30] And also lifts up a...

Al Madrigal

[36:33] Maybe the worst choreographed scene of all time.

[36:38] This baseball bat.

[36:39] The slowest choreographed.

[36:40] Yeah, just nothing.

[36:41] They couldn't even do anything to speed it up.

[36:43] They didn't rehearse.

[36:44] Everything is like one take in this film.

Elliott Kalan

[36:46] And that take goes on a long time.

[36:49] This is the scene where he's supposed to be taught self-defense.

[36:53] So they're going to go at him with baseball bats and he's going to defend himself.

[36:56] And yeah, they just end up hitting each other with baseball bats for a long time.

Al Madrigal

[37:01] Oh, I thought you were talking about the scene where he said Younggu saves...

[37:04] Oh, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[37:04] He hits a lot of people with baseball bats in that one, too.

[37:07] Yeah.

[37:07] And it's another one, yeah, where it's like everyone's moving slow.

[37:10] It's like the whole thing was shot underwater.

[37:12] Like there's no urgency.

[37:15] Where's the urgency, Younggu?

Dan McCoy

[37:16] One thing I like about this movie is most comedies have...

[37:20] Logic?

[37:21] Well, most...

[37:21] Some sense of reality?

[37:22] That's sort of where I'm going with this.

[37:24] Like most comedies have some thin pretext for their comedy set piece.

[37:29] This movie takes away any motivation for like a comedy thing happening.

[37:35] Like when he's in the park, there's a scene, you know, where Younggu's sitting in the park

[37:39] and he looks over and, oh, there's a brassiere cart in the park.

[37:43] There's a...

[37:44] For some reason in the park, there's a cart selling ladies' undergarments, which he goes

[37:50] over and he's like, ooh, ooh.

[37:52] He pokes all the cups.

[37:53] The bras.

Al Madrigal

[37:53] Every cup.

[37:54] As if there might be a boob hidden in one.

[37:56] Yeah.

[37:56] And then he...

[37:56] And he finds a big bra at one point and goes, oh, too big.

Dan McCoy

[38:02] And then he takes some undergarments.

[38:05] They're like bloomers or something.

[38:06] Yeah, bloomers.

[38:06] And he just puts them on.

[38:08] And there's no reason that he would do that.

Elliott Kalan

[38:11] He's curious.

[38:12] He's the eternal child.

[38:13] He's going to make a funny fight scene for him to save Nancy from a kidnapper.

Dan McCoy

[38:18] When he has to fight, he does not have his full range of motion because he has bloomers

[38:21] half on and half off.

Elliott Kalan

[38:22] He also has a secret weapon, which I have to assume is a Younggu trademark, which is that

[38:26] his shoes smell bad.

[38:29] And so he knocks people out with the smelly shoes.

[38:32] He wakes people up with the smelly shoes.

Dan McCoy

[38:34] They take life.

[38:35] They give life.

Elliott Kalan

[38:37] He's an elixir.

[38:39] He's a superpower.

[38:40] He's his shoes.

[38:42] And he never really makes great use of them.

[38:45] But those smelly shoes, they're in there.

[38:48] He does a lot of he just does dumb stuff.

[38:51] He's so stupid.

[38:53] He's so stupid.

[38:55] It even has the thing.

[38:56] It has the type of thing where he's at a party and he falls asleep and dreams of dancing with

[39:00] Nancy.

[39:00] And when he wakes up, he's hugging the like an ice bucket, like the champagne.

Dan McCoy

[39:04] Yeah.

[39:05] Champagne holder.

[39:06] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[39:06] It's like, oh, boy.

Dan McCoy

[39:08] Ellie, you were quite taken with just the way he walked in one scene.

Elliott Kalan

[39:11] There's a scene where he just goes to answer the phone and he's just got this big grin on

[39:16] his face.

[39:17] And he's just jauntily walking up to the phone, swinging his arms back and forth like a cartoon

[39:22] mouse or something.

[39:23] Like it's just these things that he is a walking cartoon.

Dan McCoy

[39:26] He might as well be wearing shorts with great big buttons on them at that point.

Al Madrigal

[39:30] But written by Young Ray Shim, directed by Young Ray Shim and starring Young Ray Shim as Young

[39:37] Goo.

Elliott Kalan

[39:38] I mean, you can't say that this wasn't his vision up there on screen.

[39:41] It's all up there.

[39:42] Yeah.

[39:42] But I mean, budget for something like this.

Al Madrigal

[39:46] I have to assume 400, 500 million dollars.

[39:49] I think six to between six and ten.

[39:52] I can see that.

Elliott Kalan

[39:53] Yeah.

[39:54] I think I mean, I assume it was funded with with Korean money that he could go to the

[39:57] people who usually make his movies.

Al Madrigal

[39:59] But Lionsgate did the distribution.

[40:01] Is that?

[40:01] Yeah.

[40:02] They did appear to only have one city block that they can work with.

[40:05] But that was a big that was a big set like they had.

[40:08] Yeah, that's at Fox.

[40:09] I think they're using Fox or Universal for that.

Elliott Kalan

[40:12] Is that what you have you been?

[40:13] Have you seen those sets?

Al Madrigal

[40:14] Yeah.

[40:14] There's one a big there's a big New York Street at Fox.

[40:19] I'm pretty sure that was Fox.

Elliott Kalan

[40:20] Was that is there a is that a painted background?

Al Madrigal

[40:23] They had a lot of just obviously painted backgrounds.

[40:27] It was it looked like this Kincaid where it was it was.

[40:35] I've never seen because usually they put them so far in the distance that maybe there's

Elliott Kalan

[40:40] like this is like a stage.

Al Madrigal

[40:42] Yeah.

[40:42] Like these were just flats.

[40:43] It really did look like it was some scenes were done on the stage.

Elliott Kalan

[40:47] But it was like a cheap looking, expensive looking movie or an expensive looking cheap movie.

Al Madrigal

[40:52] You know, I mean, the way it was lit at some points.

[40:55] I mean, when they were outside and how bright.

[40:57] Yeah.

[40:58] The actors during the tomato scene.

Elliott Kalan

[41:00] Oh, the famous tomato scene.

[41:01] Yeah.

[41:02] Well, that's the thing is like Harvey Keitel's character is so much supposed to be Don Corleone,

[41:07] obviously.

[41:08] Like he dresses like him.

[41:09] He has office looks like it.

[41:10] And so like, well, the Godfather has a scene where he's in a garden.

[41:13] So we're going to have to put him in a garden.

[41:15] So they're just like a container garden.

Al Madrigal

[41:18] They actually got they rented this house and with grounds.

[41:23] And I feel like they shot for two weeks and they spent six million bucks and maybe three million

[41:31] went to the actors because I got to say, yeah, to get Keitel.

[41:35] That's going to cost money.

[41:37] Yeah.

[41:37] I think he gets this offer and it's for a million bucks or 750 because he needs that name to sell

[41:45] this.

[41:45] This is going to be.

[41:46] But I mean, maybe everybody else, I'm telling you, for Lies and Illusions, I was paid $5,000.

Dan McCoy

[41:54] And that's for how many weeks work?

Al Madrigal

[41:56] I do.

[41:56] I worked for three weeks and I flew back and forth from L.A. to Spokane.

[42:02] Is that even is that even like Actors Guild scale?

[42:06] I mean, what is it?

[42:07] No, this is a non-union job.

[42:09] This is.

[42:09] Oh, yeah.

[42:10] This is a scab job.

[42:11] Yeah.

[42:11] Scab job.

Elliott Kalan

[42:12] They paid him in actually not even in cash.

[42:14] They paid him in scabs.

[42:15] Wow, that's disgusting.

[42:17] Just a briefcase full of scabs.

[42:20] They paid him in gift certificates.

[42:22] That's how off the books it was.

Al Madrigal

[42:24] And but I had to think that Christian Slater was making a million bucks or at least $500,000.

[42:31] That's where all the money's going.

[42:33] I know their budget for that was I think it was about $4 million.

[42:39] And we I mean, they had accrued.

[42:41] It looked they definitely were on some sort of lot shooting.

[42:44] There's and yeah, those locations aren't cheap.

Elliott Kalan

[42:47] This looked like I mean, it didn't look like an amateurish film.

[42:50] This was this one.

[42:51] It looked like a poorly made film, but like by professionals, you know, and for you saying

Al Madrigal

[42:56] for two weeks, it was the number one movie in Korea.

Elliott Kalan

[42:59] Actually.

[43:00] Yeah.

[43:00] For this was the number one movie in South Korea for two weeks.

[43:04] Let me look at let me pull up my my let me pull up my last Godfather facts here.

[43:09] Do I though there?

[43:11] I think like I said, I think, you know, it's known as dumb mafia.

Dan McCoy

[43:14] It's logging into his last Godfather app on the phone.

Elliott Kalan

[43:17] First two weeks of 2011.

[43:18] So the weekend of January 2nd, the weekend of January 9th of last year.

[43:22] Number one movie at the box office.

[43:25] This is other movies that were number one at the box.

[43:27] So Megamind, number one at the box office in Korea for one week.

[43:31] Wow.

[43:32] Two weeks of the last Godfather.

[43:34] Then one week of Megamind.

[43:35] Three weeks of something called Detective K.

[43:39] Battle Los Angeles, number one for two weeks.

[43:41] King's Speech, number one for one week.

[43:43] So Last Godfather's hold on the Korean box office was better was longer than King's Speech, Thor, Megamind, Fast Five.

[43:53] Of course, then there's Kung Fu Panda 2, which was number one for four weeks.

Al Madrigal

[43:57] And is there a way to go to some sort of like box office mojo type of thing and figure out what they did in terms of money on this?

Elliott Kalan

[44:06] Well, it says admissions, so I don't know if that's money or if it's ticket numbers.

[44:12] But, you know, this was not – this didn't – this was not, you know, direct-to-video in South Korea.

[44:19] This was a big hit.

[44:20] But I assume it's because of that Younggu name.

[44:22] Well, it was the new chapter in the Younggu saga.

Al Madrigal

[44:23] From what I got from the producers on this Lies and Illusion thing, that it's all about the foreign box office.

[44:30] And so when you name – down to the name of our movie, they were very clever about that because they want to pick things that people can identify with and that will translate well.

[44:42] And my brother was on a plane coming home from Mexico and was watching a guy watch Lies and Illusions in Spanish on his laptop.

[44:53] And he said, this guy – and my brother, you know, in Spanish, he goes, what do you think about that movie?

[44:58] Oh, it's very good.

[44:59] I love this movie.

[45:01] This is a good movie.

[45:02] So their standards are so low in other countries that something like Lies and Illusions is going to make money.

[45:09] Yeah.

[45:10] And Younggu is going to be funny.

Elliott Kalan

[45:12] There's some movie – I remember reading about some movie that I think Jessica Simpson was in that was released like two years later on DVD here.

[45:20] But I think it was number one at the box office in like Belarus for a couple weeks.

[45:24] Crazy.

[45:25] The standards in other countries are super low, which is crazy when you consider how low American standards are for number one box office movies.

[45:32] Sure.

[45:32] Like a lot of shitty movies become number one at the box office.

[45:35] But in other countries, they're like, oh, beautiful, masterpiece.

[45:38] Oh, delicious.

[45:39] Have you seen Fast Five?

[45:41] I have not seen Fast Five.

Al Madrigal

[45:41] Oh, that should be one on your list for sure.

[45:45] Is it not?

[45:45] Is it too much production value?

[45:47] No, I mean that's – we can do it.

Elliott Kalan

[45:48] We do plenty of big movies.

[45:49] Oh, it's horrible.

Al Madrigal

[45:52] Yeah, it really is bad.

Elliott Kalan

[45:53] Better or worse than The Last Godfather?

Al Madrigal

[45:55] Oh, come on.

[45:56] It's not fair.

Elliott Kalan

[45:57] Because The Last Godfather is so amazing?

[45:59] I don't know how this didn't – the only reason this didn't get nominated for Best Foreign Language Film at the Academy Awards is because it's not in a foreign language.

[46:05] No, I didn't mention the reason –

[46:06] He is the Roberto Benini.

Al Madrigal

[46:07] Yeah.

[46:08] South Korea.

[46:09] The reason why I know about this movie is from a friend of mine, Ken Siegel, who was the sound guy on a TV show I did with Raquel Welch and Jeffrey Tambor called Welcome to the Captain.

[46:22] Was Stuart on that?

[46:24] No.

Elliott Kalan

[46:25] Stuart has far fewer film pilots than you do.

Al Madrigal

[46:29] Yes.

[46:29] I've been in – before going to the Daily Show, a couple series that didn't make it past a year.

[46:37] And Ken Siegel was the sound guy on two of those.

[46:41] Welcome to the Captain.

[46:42] This last one I did with Hank Azaria called Free Agents.

[46:45] But while I'm on Free Agents and getting mic'd up, Ken is like, I've got this movie.

[46:51] You've got it.

[46:52] I know you're about to go to work.

[46:54] But you've got it.

[46:55] You're – Younggu here.

[46:56] Let me – he sets the whole thing up and says, Younggu –

Dan McCoy

[47:00] Let me give you the story so far.

Al Madrigal

[47:03] So Younggu –

[47:04] So you're going to be confused.

[47:05] This is his love interest.

[47:06] This is the daughter from the rival mob boss.

[47:09] Yeah.

[47:10] They're going to an orphanage and watch Younggu hand out women's clothing to the boys.

Elliott Kalan

[47:15] There's a scene where they – because she's a charity person.

[47:19] She goes to the orphanage.

[47:20] And he goes with her.

[47:22] And he's got a box that just says, like, orphan donations on it or something like that.

[47:26] And he's handing out high-heeled shoes, a dress to the boys, and runs out of toys.

[47:31] So he starts giving his clothing to the kids, including the famous smelly shoes,

[47:36] which means you're then gifted with the image of Younggu in just boxers and a bow tie,

[47:44] like trying to cover himself with balloons because he's bashful.

Dan McCoy

[47:48] Giving a coy look as he puts a helium balloon in front of his crotch.

Elliott Kalan

[47:52] And Nancy's reaction to this is like, oh, Younggu.

[47:54] Younggu.

[47:55] You're adorable.

[47:57] Daddy, he's sweet.

Al Madrigal

[47:59] You don't understand.

Elliott Kalan

[48:01] That's the thing.

Dan McCoy

[48:01] I don't want you hanging around with that Korean boy.

[48:05] It's a good Pulido.

Al Madrigal

[48:06] Oh, thanks.

[48:06] He was in my voiceover agency.

[48:08] I used to see him all the time.

[48:09] Oh, really?

[48:10] Yeah.

[48:11] How you doing?

Elliott Kalan

[48:13] He lost a lot of weight at one point.

Al Madrigal

[48:16] Yeah.

[48:16] You know what?

[48:16] He would bring.

[48:17] I think he'd bring his kid.

[48:19] Somebody would bring a kid in.

[48:21] Toledo Pulido.

[48:22] Toledo Pulido.

[48:26] Hey, Toledo.

[48:27] Sit right here.

[48:28] Don't make any noise.

[48:29] I'm going to go do a couple spots.

Elliott Kalan

[48:34] Okay, Dad.

[48:36] That's the higher fish family voice.

[48:39] I talk, Dad.

Dan McCoy

[48:41] That's right to leave.

[48:42] He really needs to stop smoking.

Elliott Kalan

[48:45] No, that's the Pulido way.

Al Madrigal

[48:47] So, yeah.

[48:49] He, Ken, recommended this movie.

[48:53] This is dedicated to Ken Siegel.

[48:55] Ken Siegel, it turns out, sound guy in Reservoir Dogs.

[49:00] We just looked at Malcolm.

[49:01] Yeah.

[49:01] I know we did Malcolm in the Middle.

[49:03] He did the entire run of Malcolm in the Middle.

[49:06] But I Love You, Man.

[49:07] And just recently, the five-year engagement.

Elliott Kalan

[49:11] Oh.

[49:12] So, this is a guy who knows.

[49:13] So, this is not like.

[49:14] Knows movies.

[49:15] He's not just some guy from nowhere.

[49:17] No.

[49:17] Ken Siegel.

[49:17] This is a guy who found a place in his professional heart.

Al Madrigal

[49:20] And I'm going to send this to Ken.

[49:21] Ken would be so happy to hear that we're doing this.

Dan McCoy

[49:25] You're spreading the gospel of the last godfather.

[49:28] And Young Ray Shim.

Elliott Kalan

[49:30] And the genius that is Young Ray Shim, who is very celebrated in South Korea.

[49:35] But I don't know.

[49:35] We're running long.

Dan McCoy

[49:36] We should close the book on this.

[49:37] We usually close the bad movie discussion part by saying, by our final judgments, saying

[49:45] whether this is a good bad movie, a bad bad movie, or a movie we actually kind of liked.

[49:49] And we just go around the horn.

[49:51] Elliot, what do you say?

[49:52] Good bad movie.

[49:53] I got to say.

Elliott Kalan

[49:54] And to the point that I kind of liked it because I could not understand what was like.

[49:58] It baffled me so much.

[50:00] But there's something about just taking a very rote, like very rote, stupid comedy and dropping

[50:08] in a character who is totally just baffling and extreme.

[50:15] And I don't know what anyone was thinking then.

[50:17] I enjoyed it, actually.

Al Madrigal

[50:18] I thought it was going to be a bad, bad movie.

[50:21] And I was thinking bad, bad movie right up into the scene where, and I think this is a

[50:26] turning point for all of us, when Young Goo changed the world.

Elliott Kalan

[50:32] When he brought about the modern age.

[50:33] Of course it is.

[50:34] That's true.

Dan McCoy

[50:36] Yeah, no, I agree.

[50:37] This is a good.

Elliott Kalan

[50:37] It was like suddenly became an episode of Mad Men.

[50:39] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[50:40] This is a good bad movie.

[50:41] This is a movie that like, yeah, I straddle the line almost between kind of liking it

[50:45] too, because there's scenes where he busts out like such corny old comedy tropes.

[50:52] He's stealing material from like Buster Keaton.

[50:54] Yeah.

[50:55] And he doesn't do it well per se.

[50:57] But the fact that he's trying it all, I just really appreciate.

Elliott Kalan

[51:01] It helps that I've never seen this guy in anything before, so I have to assume he's exactly like

[51:05] the character all the time.

[51:07] And he's just not even a character.

[51:09] Like he's just bumbled his way into a movie career.

[51:11] He's just bumbled his way to incredible success in the Korean film industry.

Dan McCoy

[51:15] All right.

[51:16] Well, we're going to skip over the mailbag for a week and just go quickly.

[51:22] Wow, wow.

[51:23] Oh, man.

[51:24] The house cat's cousin.

[51:27] We're going to quickly go to the recommendations, movies that we saw recently or maybe not so

[51:35] recently that we liked and would recommend in lieu of watching a bad movie.

[51:41] I kind of want to recommend The Last Godfather.

[51:43] The Last Godfather is pretty good.

[51:45] So quickly, if we have things, Elliot, do you have something you want to recommend?

Elliott Kalan

[51:49] Sure.

[51:50] I'll recommend, speaking of bad movies, this is not a bad movie, but it's about bad movies,

[51:56] which is, there's a documentary that Dan and I both watched recently, actually, that's

[52:01] on Netflix streaming at the moment called Popatopolis, which is about the director Jim

[52:05] Wynarski, who, if Roger Corman is the king of B-movies, then Jim Wynarski is like a

[52:10] grand duke or maybe like a prince.

[52:13] He's directed a ton of really crappy or varying levels of crappy exploitation and B-movies

[52:19] over the years.

[52:20] I mean, he did direct Chopping Mall, which is pretty great.

[52:22] Chopping Mall, which is, yeah, which is a classic of B-movies.

[52:26] He directed the Swamp Thing sequel.

[52:28] He directed a number of movies that are now shown late at night on Cinemax.

[52:34] And this is what this movie is about, which is he wants to make a movie in three days.

[52:40] This is this movie called The Witches of Brestwick, which is a softcore porn film.

[52:44] And he says...

[52:45] I'd be lying if I said I hadn't seen that movie before I saw this one.

[52:50] But his goal is to make it in three days.

[52:54] And he and the actors are going to live at a cabin together, the same cabin they're going

[52:58] to shoot the movie in.

[52:59] And they're going to shoot the film and finish all shooting in three days.

[53:03] And then he's going to sell this movie to cable.

[53:05] And it's kind of about the compromises he has to make now in terms of working faster and

[53:11] cheaper than he ever did before and more sex-based to get his movies sold and to make them.

[53:18] And kind of the demise of the B-movie industry where you don't have this world now where you

[53:23] can do kind of a low-budget movie with maybe a slumming star and expect it to play in theaters

[53:29] and make a little bit of money back or make a lot of money back.

[53:32] Now you basically have a huge movie of like $5 million or $10 million or up to $200.

[53:39] Or you have these tiny, tiny budget movies for like $100,000 that are more and more just

[53:45] pornography.

[53:47] And it's a really interesting movie.

[53:48] And there's just some interesting scenes in it about people shooting a movie in very close

[53:53] quarters in a very quick schedule.

[53:57] And there's a lot of women in it with big boobs because the movie they're making has a

[54:01] ton of big boo women.

[54:02] Sure.

[54:03] That's Wynarski's trademark now is just women with big boobs.

[54:05] Yep.

[54:06] And he says in the movie, he says, these are my two things in the movie, a big chase and

[54:09] a big chest.

[54:11] And this movie that they're making does not have a chase in it.

[54:13] So I think they, they, he goes over.

[54:16] Double down on the chest.

[54:17] Exactly.

[54:17] Double D on the chest.

Al Madrigal

[54:18] I'm not sure, you know, it's going to be a while for me to come.

[54:23] It took a while for this to happen.

[54:24] Yeah.

[54:25] For me to come on.

[54:26] And it took Stuart to go to Puerto Rico.

[54:28] I'm going to tell two stories.

[54:31] Just real quick.

[54:31] You're going to think that Al deported Stuart.

Elliott Kalan

[54:34] Real quick.

[54:35] Getting on that plane.

[54:36] Yeah.

Al Madrigal

[54:37] Two tickets showed up at his door.

[54:39] He opened up his mail.

[54:40] Puerto Rico.

[54:41] Hey, honey.

Elliott Kalan

[54:43] We love Puerto Rico.

[54:44] Did you enter the madrigal sweepstakes?

Al Madrigal

[54:46] What is this?

[54:47] So me and my wife, not B movie, but I, my wife on our first date, I knew I was going

[54:55] to marry her because I said, who is your, she said, who's your favorite actor?

[54:59] I said, who's your favorite actor?

[55:00] And she said, Bruce Campbell.

[55:02] Nice.

[55:02] So I knew I was going to marry this woman.

[55:04] And I really did know at this, that moment.

[55:07] And then I had another one.

[55:13] I'm sorry.

[55:14] I got so.

Elliott Kalan

[55:15] I assume the other story is about you masturbating to Witches of Brestwick.

Al Madrigal

[55:18] No, but it is.

[55:20] Thank you for reminding me.

[55:21] Then I see Witches of Brestwick.

[55:23] And I had an affair with, yeah, the blonde witch.

[55:29] The whole point I wanted to make is that with these movies, there's so many scripts out there

[55:36] and so many people that aren't working.

[55:39] Me and my friend had an idea that we were just going to make a movie, but we were going

[55:42] to cast and the whole thing and get our director from Craigslist.

[55:46] So I started placing Craigslist ads for directors and other things.

[55:52] I did this thing with Rainn Wilson where we found a location for, and it was a porn star's

[55:58] mansion in Encino, California.

[56:01] But we found it for $250 a day, which is crazy cheap.

[56:06] She needed money.

[56:08] And so we had this.

Dan McCoy

[56:08] I think a porn star was trying to keep up a mansion.

[56:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[56:11] He's going to need money.

Al Madrigal

[56:11] He's going to need money, Ben.

[56:13] So it led us to going on Craigslist and placing all kinds of ads for directors.

[56:18] It was taken down within a half hour.

[56:20] But in that half hour, I got 30 different resumes from directors that were capable of directing

[56:27] a movie.

[56:28] I got offers from guys with grip trucks saying, if you put me in your movie, I'll let you use

[56:34] my grip truck.

[56:35] So we got all of these different resumes and everything from Craigslist.

[56:40] So it was our idea that we could make a Craigslist movie and get the screenplay from Craigslist, the

[56:46] locations from Craigslist, all of the actors from Craigslist, and just completely make this

[56:52] Craigslist movie.

[56:53] So what happened?

[56:53] Which I'm trying to do with, I now know this guy who works at Starz.

[57:01] And so I want to make, I want to film a documentary.

[57:05] I want to film this movie being made, but made entirely from internet.

[57:10] Like the best person we could find for the least amount of money.

[57:13] That's the greatest idea.

Dan McCoy

[57:15] The way the government would do it.

[57:16] Yeah, exactly.

Al Madrigal

[57:17] So I am trying to do this, but these resumes were amazing.

[57:23] First unit director on my, I think, Michael Bay film, the, what did he do with Ben Affleck?

[57:31] Pearl Harbor.

[57:32] There was a guy that came in, one of Pearl Harbor.

Elliott Kalan

[57:35] So somebody who's used to working with big productions.

Al Madrigal

[57:37] And that could potentially do this to just have been in these underling roles the entire

[57:42] time.

[57:42] So, um, yeah.

[57:44] And that's, that's my idea.

Elliott Kalan

[57:45] You're really taking advantage of the slump that the film industry is in.

Al Madrigal

[57:48] Anyway.

[57:49] So, um, yeah, I just wanted to, that can be done.

[57:52] I'm trying to do this.

[57:53] So, um, I know you guys donate to the podcast, but if you want to donate to this movie effort,

[58:00] rawr, rawr.

Elliott Kalan

[58:03] Don't pander to them.

[58:04] You're pandering to the listeners.

Al Madrigal

[58:07] That's it.

[58:08] That's it.

[58:08] I just, uh, I know I'll never be on again.

Elliott Kalan

[58:11] No.

[58:12] Just keep sending Stuart to Puerto Rico.

Al Madrigal

[58:14] That's your recommendation though?

[58:15] Your Craigslist movie?

[58:17] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[58:18] Oh, no.

[58:19] You recommended a movie that doesn't exist.

[58:20] I recommend making my movie.

[58:22] Um, my recommendation is, um, I just saw the girl with the dragon tattoo.

[58:27] Yeah.

[58:27] And which we were talking about, um, but I liked it quite a bit.

[58:30] I thought that was, I didn't, I didn't have any desire to see that when it came out in

[58:35] the theaters and, but you saw it right away and you were disappointed with everybody.

[58:39] I saw it a little late.

Dan McCoy

[58:40] He saw it midnight, Thursday night of opening.

[58:43] But we talked about this on the podcast once.

[58:44] Like, it's weird.

[58:45] Like that, that, that was, they tried to make that counter-programming.

[58:48] Like they had that come out around Christmas and that was not a good idea.

[58:54] That's a family movie.

[58:55] They thought it'd be, they thought it'd be clever.

[58:56] They're like, okay, we're going to have an alternative to, you know, the usual stuff that comes out

[59:01] of Christmas.

[59:01] And the thing is, people like the usual stuff that comes out of Christmas.

[59:05] They schedule that for a reason.

[59:06] Yeah.

Al Madrigal

[59:06] Uh, my kid's favorite movie in this, uh, if you had, do you have kids out there?

[59:10] Uh, my kids love Clifford with Martin Short so much.

Elliott Kalan

[59:14] I know people who, who are diehards.

Al Madrigal

[59:17] Now you have not seen this?

Elliott Kalan

[59:18] No, it's a movie that I haven't seen, but I have a friend, I have a friend of mine.

[59:21] My friend Dan Brooks has been trying to get me to see it for a while now.

Al Madrigal

[59:24] It's awesome.

[59:24] He's just insane about it.

[59:26] And I guess it was, that was a flop.

[59:28] And then, that became this sort of cult.

Elliott Kalan

[59:29] I mean, I remember when it came out, it was like, I just, I remember when that movie

[59:33] came out and Martin Short was on Letterman's show and Letterman was like, Clifford, it's

[59:37] a great movie.

[59:37] Saw it last night.

[59:38] Great.

[59:38] And it was, I think it was the first time I realized he didn't see that movie.

Al Madrigal

[59:42] Like the hosts of these shows don't see the movies they're talking about.

[59:45] He did see the movie and it's awesome.

[59:47] It really is good.

[59:49] So if people haven't seen it in a while or they haven't seen it at all, you've got to

[59:53] find Clifford.

Elliott Kalan

[59:54] So Clifford, Girl with a Dragon Tattoo, and your Craigslist movie.

Al Madrigal

[59:58] Craigslist the movie.

Dan McCoy

[1:00:00] And I guess, honestly, if Elliot hadn't recommended it, I might have recommended Papatopoulos.

[1:00:06] I can recommend a different one if you want to recommend Papatopoulos.

[1:00:08] I went out and I saw Cabin in the Woods like a lot of our listeners probably did.

[1:00:15] And I really enjoyed it.

[1:00:16] I haven't seen it.

[1:00:17] I'm not into Cabin movies.

[1:00:19] Sure.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:19] I like the woods part.

Dan McCoy

[1:00:21] Right.

[1:00:22] I don't believe that for a second.

[1:00:24] But I, you know, I'm a fan of Joss Whedon in general.

[1:00:28] But this movie also, I just think, really plays very well to all types of audiences.

[1:00:34] My wife saw it with me and she doesn't necessarily love horror movies the way I do, although she

[1:00:40] does have a strange fondness for Piranha 3D like Elliot and I do.

[1:00:47] But...

[1:00:47] Saw it on my wedding day.

[1:00:49] But, yeah, it was great.

[1:00:51] The worst I could say about it would be that because it is such a sort of a deconstruction

[1:00:56] of horror movies, you don't necessarily get super emotionally involved with the characters.

[1:01:01] But it's very clever and very funny.

[1:01:04] And we're talking about on the subway, over here on the subway, you know, Frank Kranz,

[1:01:08] who's in the movie?

Al Madrigal

[1:01:09] Who I worked with in Welcome to the Captain, where Ken Siegel did the sound.

[1:01:14] It's like Six Degrees of Al Madrigal.

[1:01:17] But he's amazing in the movie.

[1:01:18] Six Degrees of Ken Siegel.

[1:01:19] And he's currently working on Death of a Salesman.

[1:01:22] Oh, really?

[1:01:23] And might come by the show and say hi.

[1:01:24] Oh, cool.

[1:01:24] I've got tickets to that.

[1:01:26] Oh, really?

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:26] I'm going to see the final performance of it.

[1:01:27] Oh, wow.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:28] Yeah.

[1:01:29] Well, he was terrific.

[1:01:30] And I was saying that I really loved him also on Dollhouse.

[1:01:34] It says Topher.

[1:01:35] Topher Grace.

[1:01:36] Very funny.

[1:01:37] Yes, Topher Grace.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:38] He was playing...

[1:01:38] He was playing the actor Topher Grace.

[1:01:40] Or was he playing Dave Eggers' younger brother, Topher?

[1:01:43] Yes.

[1:01:43] From a heartbreaking work of Staggering Genius?

[1:01:45] He was playing all Topher's everywhere.

[1:01:48] I was going to say, when you said Joss Whedon, it sounded like you said Joss Whedon.

[1:01:52] And I imagined Joss Whedon with metal teeth.

[1:01:55] Just directing movies and then biting down on pipes.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:00] I think that's a pretty amazing image to wrap the show up on.

[1:02:05] So unless you gentlemen have anything else...

[1:02:06] Oh, we should say...

[1:02:08] We should reveal...

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:09] Oh, should we reveal what the movie is going to be?

Dan McCoy

[1:02:11] Yeah.

[1:02:12] We did not do the trail of clues about what our live Flophouse movie would be because we forgot.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:17] Look, we're lazy and forgetful.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:18] Well, the last episode was our 100th episode.

[1:02:20] And in the excitement of Tango and Cash, we forgot to leave another true...

[1:02:24] In the excitement of Tango and Cash and the tiredness of us being tired.

[1:02:29] But...

[1:02:29] June 8th.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:30] June 8th.

[1:02:30] Friday, June 8th, 8 p.m.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:32] 92 Y Tribeca.

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:33] The website has already spilled the beans.

[1:02:35] We're going to be having our third Flophouse I Love Bad Movies Bad Movie screening.

[1:02:40] Live event.

[1:02:41] Live event.

[1:02:42] Running commentary by the floppers, us, and...

[1:02:45] No, Stuart.

[1:02:46] I will be there in his place.

[1:02:48] You have really...

[1:02:49] This is a real All About Eve situation.

[1:02:52] But the movie we're going to be showing is Quiet Cool starring James Remar.

[1:02:57] This is an early 80s James Remar action.

[1:03:00] I'm going to say classic.

[1:03:02] About a New York City cop who plays by his own rules.

[1:03:04] Who has to head out to the Pacific Northwest to stop some murderous pot growers.

[1:03:09] The pot grower henchmen all have different haircuts.

[1:03:12] And there's an opening scene for James Remar that involves a chase between a purse snatcher on roller skates.

[1:03:19] And James Remar riding a motorcycle.

[1:03:21] And it's pretty awesome.

Al Madrigal

[1:03:22] And speaking of murder, there's a very good chance that I die leaving Dan's sketchy apartment.

Dan McCoy

[1:03:27] That's possible too.

[1:03:29] We should wrap this up so Al doesn't get stabbed on the way out.

[1:03:34] But quite cool.

[1:03:35] June 8th.

[1:03:36] For the Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:03:38] I'm Elliot Kalin.

[1:03:40] And I'm...

Al Madrigal

[1:03:42] Al Madrigal.

[1:03:43] Al Madrigal.

[1:03:44] Did you forget?

[1:03:45] No, I wanted to do the cat thing.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:47] Oh, you can do it one more last time if you want.

[1:03:49] Just don't let Stuart know.

Al Madrigal

[1:03:53] This is our secret.

[1:03:54] Good night.

[1:03:55] No, just a sad one.

[1:03:57] Because I'm never going to do it again.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:10] The house cat's brother is here.

[1:04:15] The house cat's cousin.

[1:04:17] Stuart is going to be so mad.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:19] Well, maybe he should have shown up.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:21] Yeah, he's very...

[1:04:21] Rather than going to Puerto Rico with his wife.

[1:04:24] Yeah.

[1:04:24] To relive their wedding.

The Flop House: Episode #101 - The Last Godfather

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