Ep.#447 - Venom: The Last Dance

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Venom, The Last Dance.

[0:03] Why did I say it that way?

[0:05] Perfect. David, David's the best one.

[0:10] Cut, print, use exactly.

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[1:51] All movies without Spider-Man in them.

[1:54] I'm talking Kraven, The Hunter.

[1:57] I'm talking Venom, The Last Dance.

[1:59] I'm talking Heart Beeps.

[2:01] Directed, written by Paul Schrader.

[2:03] One of the least Spider-Man having movies there is.

[2:06] All three of these.

[2:07] Listener, prove to me that Spider-Man is in Heart Beeps.

[2:10] You can't.

[2:11] He's not in it.

[2:12] Therefore, it fits the series.

[2:13] But obviously, a couple of those are part of the Sony Spider-Man universe, notable for

[2:19] its lack of Spider-Man.

[2:20] It's the Spider-Man without Spider-Man universe.

[2:22] More like baloney.

[2:25] Got him.

[2:27] You did it.

[2:28] Pack it up.

[2:29] We succeeded.

[2:30] This is a comedy podcast as well as being educational.

[2:32] So in this episode.

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[2:41] This one's about Venom, The Last Dance.

[2:44] The Last Dance between Eddie Brock and Venom.

[2:48] One would presume.

[2:50] It seems like this is actually going to be the final one of these.

[2:53] They sure kill Venom at the end.

[2:55] Spoiler alert.

[2:56] So in the first movie, we were led to believe that Venom died and then he shows up again

[3:01] at the end.

[3:02] And then the second one, doesn't Eddie die?

[3:04] And then Venom brings him back.

[3:06] I think so.

[3:07] There's nowhere else to go from.

[3:09] There's certainly no way that this could be brought back as some sort of stunt in the

[3:13] larger like the MCU mainline stuff and not this weird side Eddie that they co-produced.

[3:20] The fact that this is the only profitable part of the Spider-Man without Spider-Man

[3:24] universe.

[3:25] I don't think that would let them ruin the narrative coherence of the series by bringing

[3:29] the characters back from the dead.

[3:30] I don't know about that.

[3:32] Anyway.

[3:33] Sorry, go on.

[3:35] So Venom 2 was the one that ended with him being pulled into the Marvel Universe, right?

[3:39] Yes.

[3:40] And this addresses that briefly at the beginning.

[3:44] But so let's get into it.

[3:45] Let's begin.

[3:46] Who's doing the summary this time?

[3:48] I am.

[3:49] Me.

[3:50] Oh.

[3:51] Buckle your seatbelts.

[3:52] Sort of the Venom of the podcast.

[3:53] Yeah, you're the real Venom of the podcast.

[3:54] Got that lethal protector energy.

[3:56] Uh-huh.

[3:57] Sure do.

[3:58] Yep.

[3:59] So we begin the movie, as my closed captioning said, with hissing and snarling and we meet

[4:05] Null, God of the Void, Slicer of Worlds.

[4:09] Now this is a Marvel villain that actually exists.

[4:14] This is of what we say not as what?

[4:16] Not as I presume, some bullshit that Venom made up.

[4:19] He does look like a World of Warcraft villain.

[4:22] Yeah.

[4:23] He does.

[4:24] He is the villain from a storyline that was in the relatively recent Venom comics named

[4:27] The King in Black, where it turns out that he is the personification of the Void.

[4:32] He personifies the Void by basically being an evil Ernie-looking type of like smiling

[4:37] like a rictus, pale, long-haired, white-haired character.

[4:41] And he is the creator of the Klyntar, also known as the symbiotes.

[4:45] And he can do stuff to control them and whatever.

[4:49] And he represents destruction and nothingness.

[4:52] And in the – I don't know if they've made this connection in the movies.

[4:55] Probably not.

[4:56] But like Gore the God Butcher from the Thor movies and the Thor comics, he is connected.

[5:02] That's how he gets his power.

[5:04] It's somehow connected to Null also.

[5:06] And this – I mean the existence of this character made more sense to me when I sort

[5:10] of – when I remembered that like in the Marvel universe, we have these corners that

[5:15] are like Asgard or like more high fantasy corners because watching this movie, I'm

[5:20] like, this seems weird that there's this sort of like dark fantasy character with like

[5:26] a flaming sword and shackles somewhere and that that's somehow connected to the Venom symbiote.

[5:32] And at no point does he actually interact with any other characters.

[5:35] Yeah, that's true.

[5:36] No, I will say this is a character who I have mixed feelings about in the actual comics

[5:40] because it does feel like it takes a character who I grew up with thinking of as a crazy

[5:47] guy with superpower to clothes that are also crazy and he is more of a murderer who thinks

[5:53] he's a hero and hates Spider-Man and this blows him up into a cosmically important character

[5:58] who at a certain point is the only thing standing between total destruction and the continuing

[6:04] existence of the universe.

[6:05] But it is weird to suddenly start this movie with a character who looks like Elric basically

[6:10] like talking about how he will make the universe burn and things like that.

[6:14] Which is something that Elric would probably do.

[6:16] Yeah.

[6:17] Sure.

[6:18] Yeah.

[6:19] Evil sword and everything.

[6:20] So I could see how this might be jarring to audiences who are not familiar with this character

[6:23] at all.

[6:24] It's a real tonal shift for the Venom series.

[6:26] But Noel drops some backstory on us.

[6:29] He was betrayed by his quote children, which is of course are these symbiotes.

[6:34] He talks about some bullshit codex that will free him.

[6:38] And so the movie has his McGuffin and he sends some non-symbiote slimy monsters to

[6:46] find.

[6:47] Xenophages.

[6:48] Xenophages.

[6:49] Xenophages.

[6:50] Okay.

[6:51] Yeah.

[6:52] Is that from the comics?

[6:53] I think they are from the comics.

[6:54] Yeah.

[6:55] A lot of this.

[6:56] A lot of this null stuff.

[6:57] I read it at the time and it didn't quite say that there is a codex in the comics, but

[6:58] it's in I think the blood of Dylan Brock.

[7:01] Eddie's estranged son who's a kid who eventually becomes Venom for a little bit.

[7:07] It's not the Venom that I grew up with.

[7:11] That's all I'm going to say.

[7:12] Yeah.

[7:13] But this is a lot of comic stuff.

[7:14] Yeah.

[7:15] So we join Eddie Brock though.

[7:17] Tom Hardy, our hero.

[7:19] He's still at a bar in the MCU universe that he was of course zapped into during No Way

[7:26] Home.

[7:27] But he's quickly sent back to the No Spideys-iverse presumably by Doctor Strange off screen.

[7:33] Yeah.

[7:34] Talking to the same bartender played by Danny Reyes from Ted Lysa.

[7:39] Mm-hmm.

[7:40] It really is an enormous waste of the idea of Eddie Brock showing up in the Marvel universe.

[7:45] And I don't know if I think it is funny to make a big deal out of him being transported

[7:50] there and all he does is hang out at a bar and then get sent back home or if I think

[7:54] it is a waste of potential.

[7:56] And I'm not sure because the other thing is that Venom in the comics, we probably talked

[8:00] about this with the other Venom movies, his whole motivation is that he hates Spider-Man.

[8:04] Eddie Brock's career was ruined by Spider-Man.

[8:06] The symbiote was rejected by Spider-Man.

[8:08] So they combined their hatreds of Spider-Man into become this new being that hates Spider-Man

[8:13] the most.

[8:14] And so for Venom to show up in the Marvel universe, I guess the implication is now he's

[8:17] going to go after Spider-Man.

[8:18] Why would he?

[8:19] They don't know each other.

[8:20] They're strangers.

[8:21] It doesn't matter.

[8:22] I do.

[8:23] My favorite bit in the comics is when Spider-Man defeats Venom by being like, okay symbiote,

[8:27] you can come back and like, I'll take you back.

[8:29] And the symbiote like pulls too hard and that he and Eddie are joined too closely and it

[8:35] like knocks them both out.

[8:36] Yes.

[8:37] Perfect.

[8:38] It's also that like, so the whole thing is that the symbiote and Eddie Brock have permanently

[8:41] bonded in a way Spider-Man refused to do with the symbiote.

[8:43] When him saying like, I'll take you back.

[8:45] What I like about it, it is the hero defeating the villain by breaking the villain's heart

[8:51] by showing that the villain's like teammate would rather be with Spider-Man than with

[8:55] Eddie Brock.

[8:57] Which is kind of like the way audiences have reacted to this non-Spider-Man universe.

[9:02] I guess so.

[9:03] Yeah.

[9:04] But anyway, in what is for Eddie Brock, Bar Prime, Tropical Bar Prime, Venom quips about

[9:12] being done with multiverse shit.

[9:14] The whole audience applauds, I assume.

[9:16] They're like, yeah, we get it.

[9:18] And he does some Tom Cruise cocktail stuff, makes him a drink.

[9:23] On the news, a convenient report relating to Eddie Brock himself.

[9:27] He's wanted for murder for something that I'd forgotten about from Venom 2.

[9:30] It's also amazing that this local American crime story is on Mexican news.

[9:35] Yeah.

[9:36] English language news broadcast in Mexico, you know, but it's a big story.

[9:40] It's a bar that's catering to tourists.

[9:42] It makes sense.

[9:43] Yeah.

[9:44] Good point.

[9:45] Good point.

[9:46] It's always tuned to MSNBC or something.

[9:47] Yeah.

[9:48] But yeah, it's because he supposedly killed this cop at the end of the last movie, which

[9:52] of course it was not.

[9:53] Probably carnaged it or something.

[9:54] Carnaged it.

[9:55] Yeah.

[9:56] That cop with the not at all.

[9:57] With the not at all.

[9:58] Not at all.

[10:00] Imagination name of Patrick Mulligan. He is a character from the comics. I just love they're like, I guess he's an Irish cop

[10:05] Let's call him Patrick Mulligan like sure

[10:07] They're like, okay. We got a hideout in New York because we're wanted

[10:12] men slash alien and

[10:15] They're immediately picked up on CCTV as they leave the bar. So we know they're being watched they do some lethal protector shit eating up some

[10:24] dog fighter guys

[10:27] That's Tom Hardy's Tom Hardy's really passionate about dog rescues, I'm glad that he gets to bring his love into this

[10:32] That's true. He does love the thing is we see they have a lot of dogs in cages

[10:36] I think it's just kind of implied that they're doing something bad with the dogs

[10:39] We never see them do anything all they feel like a charger that has a bunch of note like hash marks on it

[10:44] Oh, okay. So maybe that's it because all we really know is that these are a bunch of guys

[10:47] These are

[10:51] Monday by dogs Tuesday make them fight Wednesday kill other dogs

[11:01] It's all here black and white

[11:04] Yeah, they do a fight. There's a this fight's kind of funny Eddie throws a shoe at one point which leads to a

[11:09] You know a movie-long gag about how he's always losing his shoes. Mm-hmm

[11:13] And

[11:14] So as they leave one of the big other monsters is lurking the shadows and someone somewhere

[11:21] It says get me General Strickland. So, you know things are getting serious. Uh-huh. Yes, you know Strickland being caught then

[11:27] Oh boy, there's he's got strict in his name. You know, this dude doesn't fuck around

[11:31] This at the scenes between General Strickland will get them and this and the scientist in it. It is non-stop

[11:38] Juno temple them saying exposition to each other that yeah

[11:41] Those characters would already know and I found I was like the whole there was much and I will not blame the writers of the

[11:47] movie this for this but there was so much of the movie where I was like

[11:50] Why am I trying so hard to hide the exposition and the things that are right when these characters are just stating it outright

[11:55] So so blatantly, you know, well, let's talk about him. We meet him right now. It's you would tell that you have four shows up

[11:59] He's great. I can go around and then see you, baby

[12:04] This is not the MCU technically he was a Mordo. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. He was Mordo in the doctor strange movies

[12:11] But that's a different universe. So it's okay

[12:13] He kidnaps the bartender because he's been exposed to this

[12:17] Symbiote guy, I guess they're trying to figure out information. I don't know this is of course an American military operation

[12:23] So, of course, they can go into Mexico kidnap a Mexican national and then how do they have the jury?

[12:29] Probably black ops, by the way, I guess it's but it's not black ops, but they're all in

[12:33] I mean, they're all of course all wearing green camouflage as they walk around a Mexican city, but you know, yeah, that's ridiculous

[12:38] We should be sending them to Canada

[12:42] That's like guess what

[12:44] Sorry

[12:46] Bad reference to bad stupid people making stupid news. Yeah, let's see. We're introduced to Jim, you know temple temples character

[12:53] She's having some kind of dream where she's a kid with her brother

[12:58] I want to work at NASA so bad and then you get struck by lightning like as long as I am not exposed to my

[13:03] Only weakness lightning. I

[13:06] Love space and the things that come out of it

[13:09] Something from the sky has killed me, but I love it

[13:11] so this is so weird to me because it's like what are we not gonna believe that judo temple could work as a

[13:18] Like alien scientists at NASA without having a backstory involving a kid brother dying from lightning

[13:25] Sometimes when people make movies or tell stories, they're like my audience is fucking stupid

[13:32] So I need to make things as clear as possible

[13:35] And explain every little fucking thing because they're idiot

[13:39] I have a job because I have to fulfill the dream of a man who died

[13:42] I guess if ever there is it it's and this is a character

[13:45] They don't do that much with in the movie. It feels very strange that they've given her any backstory or flashbacks at all

[13:51] Yeah, they should have used that time to give her stuff to do in the present. Yeah now so it according to Wikipedia

[13:58] She's haunted by the death of her brother from a lightning strike that also paralyzed her arm

[14:02] I did not recognize her as having a paralyzed

[14:07] Okay, but but it is fair it is very funny suddenly go to a flashback for character who otherwise will receive no character development

[14:14] well

[14:15] She and Strickland head for work. Where do they work? Not in an office area 51 not area 51

[14:21] They work under area 51 in a different area because there are 50 ones being decommissioned as we hear on the radio

[14:27] It's being decommissioned in the funniest possible way, which is by having voice activated tanks of acid

[14:33] Spill out onto the buildings to dissolve them

[14:39] And of course they're setting it up for it for it to be used in the big climax against the bad guys

[14:44] But it is a very funny way to demolish government property is to set up a huge tank of acid

[14:49] Attach it to a voice activation trigger

[14:51] so that Strickland has to go to each one and say

[14:54] Strickland and then it says voice activation recognized and then just sprinkles acid out of it out of the tanks onto the buildings

[15:00] Yeah, he's using the Chekhov brand

[15:06] Yeah

[15:08] So anyway, these two are a real odd couple

[15:11] He's a she's a optimistic about aliens and he's a real like everything's a potential enemy guy

[15:18] not

[15:20] Have we seen have we seen such an interesting pairing of a

[15:24] Scientist who doesn't who likes aliens and an army guy who doesn't what is in the biz? We call this a Dharma and Greg

[15:30] Oh, I mean, they're not technically a couple though. They're not a romantic couple. We should say also

[15:35] Romantic couple in Dharma and Greg. I thought they were just roommates. No, no, they were married Stuart. Oh, I have to watch the show again

[15:43] The big thing I miss you might have watched Dharma and Greg in which Dharma and Edvard Grieg the composer they were

[15:51] They're just roommates. Yeah

[15:53] Well at area 51, they're studying the cop that Eddie supposedly killed, but he actually got

[15:59] Stray space goo all over him and he's turned into a symbiote himself. Yeah, he has one rather

[16:04] He has a symbiote now now did they he does he already have one or they exposed him to one?

[16:08] I think he had one and he was like to them. He wasn't doing well

[16:12] So they had to bond him with another symbiote or something. I say, okay

[16:18] The 51 crew interrogate the cop. They learned that the symbiotes came here to try and escape null

[16:24] Which I mean like I it's a weird I don't know it's a weird way that this

[16:30] Movie tries to make all of the symbiotes into sort of like nice guys. They're all refugees from an alien monster

[16:38] Authoritarian, yeah also still do like, you know bite people's heads off and eat them

[16:44] But whatever, you know, it's it's the classic will make you like these guys by having a bigger bad guy. Yes situation

[16:51] And the cop has some sort of generic fantasy vision of an apocalyptic future with a flaming sword and he goes the darkness has teeth

[16:59] and

[17:00] It is so funny to me anytime this happens in a thing and I'm sure I'm guilty of it my own work sometimes or will be

[17:05] In the future where people are like explain to us what's going on instead of saying we're fleeing null

[17:10] Who's an evil alien God and he's trying to confine to destroy us

[17:14] It's like it's like out in the darkness

[17:16] Something grew this sort of or like in 28 days later

[17:22] Look for cheese dip cause in trouble with it's the the

[17:27] Insidio Jimbo

[17:30] Of course because they're the stance the guy works on both

[17:33] Where in 28 days later when he a guy wakes up from a coma and he's chased by a zombie and he's like what's going on?

[17:38] And the woman goes it didn't happen the way you'd think it would happen

[17:40] It's like just tell me that there's zombies on the loose like I don't know what the antecedent it is

[17:45] It's the it that I'm wondering about the existence of the identity of

[17:50] Yeah, well Eddie and venom fly are flying to New York

[17:54] Not the normal way, but on the outside of the pretty funny. I'm clapping on the outside

[17:59] It's funny, but like it's weird cuz like Eddie himself is mostly

[18:04] It's funny, but like it's weird cuz like Eddie himself is mostly outside of venom

[18:08] Like venom could engulf Eddie, but instead Eddie's sort of like hanging on to venom up in like at 30,000 feet

[18:15] Not enough oxygen to live and it's super cold and also the symbiote

[18:20] I don't remember if it's the same in these movies, but in the comics the symbiote is weak

[18:23] Has we one of his weaknesses loud sounds so to be strapped to the side?

[18:26] Yeah, Ian would be very difficult for him probably I mean later on

[18:29] There's a reason why Eddie can't go full venom, but I don't think they know that at the reason to

[18:41] There's a midair action sequence they're attacked by one of the monsters and venom turns into a parachute to save Eddie

[18:48] That's cool. And then we meet UFO conspiracy couple couple who are like driving around in like a Winnebago

[18:54] And I didn't know I don't

[18:56] I didn't recognize him at first and I'm like, oh Reese

[19:00] Appearing in yet another spider-man related movie. Yeah lizard in the in the Spider-Man series. Yeah, it's great

[19:07] I just I wanted a Reese's piece and I got one

[19:10] I will say this family. It's this hippie family that is trying to see area 51 so they can see an alien

[19:17] Yeah, I at first hated this family then loved them and then got very disappointed that they were not

[19:23] Loved them and then got very disappointed that they didn't go away and they had to be part of the climax of the movie

[19:29] Yeah, there's a there's a part in the movie that's coming up where?

[19:33] They're riding in then Eddie is riding in their car and they're singing a song together

[19:37] And there's a moment where the mom is driving and the daughter who's a teenager who hates her family is in the front seat

[19:44] And the mom kind of holds on to the daughter's hand

[19:45] The daughter looks at her and smiles at her and they have a younger son who's genuinely enjoying this trip

[19:50] And I was like, this is the most real any characters have felt in any of these movies in years

[19:56] I feel like just this one family that is doing like kind of a

[20:00] family thing and Eddie is just there watching it and I was like I really love

[20:04] that this moment in this characters and then the characters keep showing up

[20:07] throughout the movie and I'm like yeah come on guys just let him go I would say

[20:10] the scene is slightly undercut while they're singing Major Tom that venom is

[20:15] shouting the lyrics alongside yes that's true it's more it's more the moments

[20:19] when the family not and not venom going this is my jam yes well the emotions

[20:26] undercut we can argue about that scene when we get to it we're not quite there

[20:28] yet oh my god Eddie notices that Vinny venom is acting weird

[20:34] Vinny for a moment my cousin Vinny my cousin Vinny we'll get my couple get my

[20:41] cousin Vinny his lawyers it's a lawyer and then Marissa told me is shouting at

[20:47] venom going my biological clock is ticking like this is pretty would be

[20:55] fitting for the two youths excuse me what is a you you know youths so you're

[21:06] saying grits cooks faster on your stovetop than anywhere else in the known

[21:11] universe any notices that venom is acting weird and this is manifested by

[21:19] venom being sort of like a little floating head next to Eddie with you

[21:22] know symbiote tendrils attached and he's like why are you acting where he

[21:27] forces him to do an exposition dump where venom explains if Eddie died venom

[21:32] can bring him back to life but they actually doing that would combine their

[21:35] DNA for me a key called a codex and uh-oh turns out that's already happened

[21:40] we see a flashback to a previous venom movie where Eddie died and I think that

[21:45] I also had forgotten I forgotten about for this explanation even though it is

[21:49] thank God without it we do this position would be lost in the darkness like no

[21:54] yeah and no one needs that codex to escape the prison the Klyntar put him in

[21:58] uh it just rolls off the tongue this non gibberish never like a name Klyntar

[22:04] that's straight from the comics I've always thought it was a it was not a

[22:06] good sounding name for that alien species so I am president Klyntar but

[22:12] if Eddie or venom dies the codex goes away yes so how do they get the codex

[22:18] without killing them I don't think there's no one cares about killing them

[22:23] I think he's fine with doing that but if he kills them the codex goes away I

[22:28] think it's the well who knows I don't know he keeps him alive until the last

[22:32] minute I don't know supplement a keyhole okay yeah so that he broke into a

[22:37] janky hole because if the whole thing was the Klyntar the the Xenophages were

[22:42] just trying to capture him and like take him back alive that would be more fun

[22:46] than them trying to like eat everything I think that well the Xenophages are not

[22:50] the best tool for getting someone and bringing them back as opposed to just

[22:55] eating everybody but it's similar I imagine it's a similar situation to

[22:57] Borderlands where they're under the belief that the girl is the key to the

[23:01] vault that using her to open the vault will kill her probably it's that kind of

[23:06] thing so probably Xenophages would maybe they can I don't maybe they can pull the

[23:10] codex out of them or something I don't know it's a dumb movie it doesn't make

[23:13] sense open to do that so alien species that eats people and then spits the

[23:20] blood out the back of their head like I kind of like that part yeah the other

[23:25] main plot upshot of the this all this gibberish is that venom cannot totally

[23:30] take over Eddie as I said before because that when he's in full control the bad

[23:34] guys can sense okay so I come to a venom movie and I don't get to see fucking

[23:39] venom yeah don't worry short you're gonna get to see plenty of venom cuz

[23:42] they just can't help themselves and you're gonna get to see a venom horse a

[23:45] venom frog some other metal stuff speaking of that horse they find them

[23:49] right now I didn't love I don't know I think I felt bad for the horse cuz it

[23:53] starts out with like yeah can you make that horse go without killing it I'm

[23:57] like don't put that thought to my head movie no yeah but just do the thing but

[24:02] they find the horse they turn him into a venom horse does venom do this shit in

[24:06] the comics worried well okay the thing is that sometimes they'll put the

[24:11] symbiote on different stuff but the whole thing about Eddie Brock and the

[24:15] symbiote at least originally was that like they're bonded permanently now they

[24:18] cannot be separated from each other but then eventually they did find a way to

[24:21] separate him and he's gone around and there's been venom animals but they when

[24:25] they do it it's not well actually they'll do with other symbiotes a lot

[24:28] there was a Tyrannosaurus venom at one point like there is why don't they do

[24:32] that when in the savage land or something I don't remember but something

[24:35] like that all the characters have had venom symbiotes on them at some point or

[24:38] another now so they but they gallop at super speed don't stop me now by Queen

[24:44] do you think how did you guys feel about that song choice did you feel also as I

[24:48] did but that is a song that I've heard a lot in stuff now and I'd be happy to

[24:51] find a different song I think that across the same idea it somehow I had

[24:55] actually not heard that song pre Shaun of the Dead even though it's a big Queen

[24:59] song but since that time yeah it's all over the place should have been one like

[25:04] take me home country road or something what do you what do you think I mean

[25:06] that would have been funnier if it was taking a country it's like it's funnier

[25:09] to have it not a not a high-energy song while you're watching a guy get pulled

[25:13] by a horse covered in an alien goo wild is the wind that takes me away I've been

[25:24] riding to the desert on a horse from the name it is venom what about a goodbye

[25:31] horses but Q Lazarus yeah yeah I don't know that song like sticking his penis

[25:40] between oh that's what he's like dancing to himself okay yeah add it to your gym

[25:45] mix I will the mix that I play when I'm hanging out with my friend Jim Davis

[25:49] created Garfield well anyway the army they they don't buy this like we're

[26:00] refugees by the way if you put a single happy Monday song on that playlist Jim

[26:04] days Jim Davis loses his shit he's gonna be so mad Mondays are never happy so he

[26:13] would tell us like let's go snag venom I like him so much as an actor but he is

[26:26] always he's always forced to play a guy with a lot of gravitas and I would love

[26:31] it if he got to be like just a silly guy yeah I would love that too I feel like

[26:35] he's got it in him and I wish he could use it more often yeah there's I thought

[26:39] this was a kind of fun action sequence even though Ellie you expressed disdain

[26:44] for venom bonding to other things but I like this action sequence when when the

[26:50] venom symbiote is kind of like jumping from animal to animal yeah a second of

[26:54] seeing each I was like that's cool I like that idea yeah it was a fish it

[26:57] was a frog venom frog he saves Eddie by fully transforming even though that'll

[27:03] tip off the alien again and Eddie before he's fully transformed Eddie kills one

[27:09] of the soldiers that is chasing after them and this really bothers him I mean

[27:13] they did bite the heads off of four men earlier in the movie but this one

[27:17] particularly bothers him I think because he can't say venom did this it's I did

[27:20] this he did this and he also like see like he their mask comes off after he

[27:24] shoots them and he's like looks them in their faces the last light of life also

[27:29] you know like I am I'm not personally in favor of just going out and killing

[27:34] criminals but at least in his morality is like oh there's like venom's got to

[27:38] eat so we're eating criminals not like someone who was presumably just ordered

[27:42] to take me in well yeah but I mean it's like black bag squads they're they

[27:46] probably don't know all kinds of horrible shit I guess so I the thing is venom

[27:49] also likes eat chocolate and so they could just buy a lot of chocolate but

[27:53] instead they go out and they bite the heads off of criminals it feels like at

[27:56] that point it's a choice to eat the brains and kill those people I will say

[27:59] one thing I want to say about which we haven't really talked about this is Tom

[28:02] Hardy really commits to playing a guy who looks like he had he is a total wreck

[28:08] and just like a total slob who is at the end of his rope and has hit rock bottom

[28:12] and I really like that about it Tom Hardy a guy who can be incredibly

[28:16] physically intimidating but they may he makes himself seem like such a wimp it's

[28:20] a set if yeah it feels like a superhero movie where the dude Lebowski is like

[28:25] the hero of the movie just kind of shambling through and and not and and

[28:28] does not look like he should be winning fights and that and I really like that

[28:32] that aspect of it you know looks like a guy who has been worn out by the past

[28:36] few movies yes yeah well yeah and we and we see this in the long flashback

[28:44] sequence at the very end the flashback montage of times shared between Eddie

[28:47] and Venom a lot of which just happened in this movie but you do see a couple

[28:51] from the first movie and you're like oh man he was a little bit younger yeah

[28:55] back in area 51 you know Temple Temple interrogates the symbiote again and the

[29:02] symbiote is like Venom is the one who has the codex which gives the army even

[29:05] more motivation to kill them meanwhile Eddie meets that family of hippie alien

[29:11] seekers who offer him a ride to Vegas and as previously mentioned there's a

[29:16] sing-along to David Bowie's space odyssey that Venom loves he's sorry

[29:23] space oddity yes for once he's glad he did not eat people and yeah the emotions

[29:31] perhaps are a little undercut by venom yelling out lyrics but I enjoyed it

[29:36] because I was imagining Tom Hardy playing venom loving David Bowie's space

[29:41] yeah and knowing how much he loves to play I feel like character and do that

[29:46] crazy voice and I feel like a lot of these choices are probably in line with

[29:50] things Tom Hardy wants to do yeah like he's not doing things he's not into my

[29:54] guess is that Tom Hardy has a certain amount of control at this point yeah

[29:57] over what's happening on screen in these movies and what he does

[30:00] This scene like this is the kind of scene you would have seen in an older movie and then those characters would have dropped him off at Vegas and they would have had a goodbye which we see and they would have disappeared from the movie or later maybe they would have looked at a TV and seen Eddie on the TV and be like that's the guy we saw.

[30:15] But instead these characters keep coming back throughout the movie and it lessens.

[30:20] This one scene like I was saying has an emotional power that I feel like is a real thing about it.

[30:23] Eddie is seeing – Venom is seeing a family that he will never have.

[30:27] That's an experience he will never experience and Venom says to him, we should have had a family or maybe we should have had children.

[30:33] And I was like, oh, this is a real emotional moment that is working for me in this movie.

[30:37] But the movie – yeah, it cheapens it each time and as soon as I saw that kid and he's like, I'm afraid of aliens, Eddie.

[30:43] I'm like, oh, they're going to put him in danger later.

[30:45] I don't want that.

[30:46] That's not something I want in this movie.

[30:48] I mean I feel like that's kind of symptomatic of all the Venom movies that like they're fairly standard and then they have occasional brushes with actual like interesting stuff like what when Venom went to the rave in the second one.

[31:02] Yeah, and performs a song, right?

[31:04] Yeah.

[31:05] Well, much as the movie sort of takes a break at this point for a song, let's take a break to go over to Stuart for some more MaxFunDrive stuff.

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[35:40] Let's get back to our buddies, Eddie and Venom.

[35:44] The eternal buddies.

[35:46] What are they up to?

[35:47] Well, they've just made it to – what do you call it?

[35:51] Las Vegas.

[35:52] That's what I call it.

[35:54] Lost Vegas.

[35:55] Most people call it that.

[35:57] They shamble around Vegas for a while kind of just talking to themselves.

[36:02] At one point, they knock a guy out so Tom Hardy can put on a tuxedo.

[36:06] I do like the bit where he's not allowed to go into a Vegas casino because he doesn't look good.

[36:10] I'm like, guys, he looks exactly like everybody I've ever seen in Vegas.

[36:15] Yeah, what is this dress code for a casino?

[36:19] But also I kind of miss the days where the symbiote was his clothes.

[36:25] I kind of – maybe the producers are like, for God's sake, Tom.

[36:30] We'll let you look like a shambles for most of the movie.

[36:33] Put on a tuxedo once in this film.

[36:35] They make jokes about how he looks like the sexiest man alive, and I'm like he was –

[36:40] I'm sure he was People magazine's sexiest man alive at some point.

[36:45] Here's my fix for why Venom can't be his clothes.

[36:48] It's because I think that would get to the point where there's enough Venom on him that maybe the xenophages can see him or something like that.

[36:55] I don't know.

[36:57] But in the comics, Eddie Brock is just wearing underpants with the symbiote on top of him, and it just changes clothes depending on what he wants to do.

[37:04] Yeah, and they're like big old tighty-whities, right?

[37:06] They're like John Cena in underwear.

[37:08] They're usually white.

[37:09] Yeah, they're just big white Hanes underpants.

[37:11] Man, awesome.

[37:13] In the casino, Venom immediately –

[37:16] No wonder they're close because all he's wearing is underpants, and then he's covered with his best friend.

[37:20] Yeah, everyone's dream.

[37:22] You have to wear your best friend around, skin to skin, like a mother and a newborn baby.

[37:28] While I was watching this movie –

[37:30] Yes, this is what we're talking about.

[37:32] Yeah, not to give too much info on the life of Stuart Wellington.

[37:36] But as I was watching this movie, I was sitting down on the bed.

[37:39] I was wearing some – I think I was wearing my jeans, which is important because that is the cue for my cat, Muscles, to jump onto the bed and then roll around on my lap for a while because he doesn't like bare skin.

[37:50] He only likes jeans.

[37:52] Unlike Venom, he doesn't like being skin to skin.

[37:54] He likes to be on my jeans.

[37:56] But it was a moment where I'm like, oh, Muscles.

[37:59] Muscles was also kind of groggy because he was recovering from having surgery.

[38:03] So he was rolling around on me, and I'm like, Muscles is kind of like my Venom.

[38:06] He yells at me.

[38:07] He's annoying all the time, but I love him.

[38:09] You brought it back because –

[38:11] I was also wondering, Dan, how this is related to anything.

[38:14] Unlike Elliot, I love cats.

[38:16] I adore them.

[38:17] I don't like them.

[38:18] But I was kind of wondering what the –

[38:20] Yeah, you look concerned.

[38:22] I'm like, why are my two friends concerned about me telling a story about my life?

[38:26] Aren't they interested in my life?

[38:28] Do they want to hear from me?

[38:30] Is that really a story about your life?

[38:33] Yes, just because I wasn't the hero in the story.

[38:37] Sometimes we're not the main character in our lives, guys.

[38:40] Because they just needed a moment of closeness between you and your beloved pet.

[38:46] Anyway.

[38:48] I was angry at the idea that I could have a closeness with somebody that isn't him.

[38:53] Well, Elliot, next time I'm wearing jeans, you can roll around on my lap.

[38:57] Thank you.

[38:58] That's all I'm asking for, to get the full experience.

[39:02] In the casino, Venom has an immediate gambling problem.

[39:06] He wants to play the slots.

[39:09] They run into Mrs. Chen, the deli order from the first couple movies.

[39:13] She's been winning big.

[39:16] They go to her room.

[39:17] She looks great in her sequined dress.

[39:20] She wants to dance with them.

[39:22] And Dancing Queen starts, and Venom, I guess, is so overcome with the power of dance,

[39:26] he forgets the one rule that he can't fully become Venom

[39:30] because he immediately does it for this dance sequence with her.

[39:33] Guess what?

[39:35] Is the Xenophage not going to notice because he's dancing so cool that the codex is there?

[39:40] No, it does notice.

[39:41] I like to think that Venom wanted an audience to his dance.

[39:44] It is a fun sort of weird fake-out because they do that, though.

[39:48] They have the monster show up, and then Venom hides inside Eddie again.

[39:53] And it's like T-Rex rules.

[39:57] He can't sense the monster anymore.

[39:59] It will just go away.

[40:00] And then the army comes in and kidnaps Eddie immediately afterwards.

[40:04] So I guess that was the fake out.

[40:07] Meanwhile, the hippie family is at Area 51.

[40:10] They want to break in, see what's up.

[40:12] Hippies, right?

[40:14] Yeah, they're always breaking into the army bases.

[40:16] Always trying to break into Area 51.

[40:18] That's the thing I know about hippies, for sure.

[40:20] A de-venomized Eddie runs into the...

[40:23] Let's just say also, these are bad parents.

[40:25] It's one thing to take your kids to look at Area 51.

[40:27] A hippie?

[40:29] It's another thing to have them be sneaking in under the fence at a classified military installation.

[40:35] And I think the eldest child keeps pointing out that they're bad parents and they should be taken away from them.

[40:41] Yeah, that's true.

[40:43] Yeah, so Eddie runs in.

[40:45] Eddie's in a jail cell.

[40:47] He runs into the cop in the next cell who tells him to release the symbiote army kept in the lab and to keep the codex from null.

[40:56] The army shows up to fuck everything up like officials tend to do.

[41:00] And in the chaos, Eddie...

[41:02] Wow, very libertarian-bent from Dan all of a sudden.

[41:04] Well...

[41:06] I guess you want to drain the swamp and take a chainsaw to the deep state, Dan.

[41:08] I'm talking about...

[41:10] Wow.

[41:12] Okay, I'm talking about the military industrial complex specifically.

[41:14] Yeah, you're mad about all these DEI hires that are screwing things up for America's military.

[41:18] Nope.

[41:20] Normally he talks about that off-air.

[41:22] I'm just amazed he's bringing it onto the show.

[41:24] It's an anti...

[41:26] It's an anti-military stance.

[41:28] Not the people, but sort of the general vibe.

[41:32] Yeah, sure, sure.

[41:34] The robots that are in control, it's all people, Dan.

[41:36] Lizard people is what Dan says.

[41:38] Yeah, yeah, because he's been listening to a lot of David Icke's stuff.

[41:42] All the shape-changing, multidimensional lizards.

[41:44] The point is...

[41:46] They create chaos so that Eddie and Venom can be reunited.

[41:50] Solving a plot complication almost immediately.

[41:52] Almost immediately.

[41:54] Yeah, like the symbiote jumped on one of the researchers and then bounced from her to Eddie, right?

[42:02] I don't know, man.

[42:04] It happened so fast.

[42:06] It all happened so fast.

[42:08] It's a duck blur.

[42:10] The monster shows up and Geno Tempo listens to Venom's hist instructions to release the symbiotes who bind to various scientists to fight the monster.

[42:20] And everyone breaks out.

[42:22] Which is what we signed up for, right?

[42:24] We signed up for a movie featuring a ton of Venoms.

[42:26] And we get a ton of them.

[42:28] It's a sequel to a Venom movie.

[42:30] It's going to have more Venoms each time.

[42:32] Those Easter egg Venoms?

[42:34] Not all of them, but many of them are Easter egg Venoms.

[42:36] There's Riot.

[42:38] There's Toxin.

[42:40] These are characters that are loosely based on symbiote characters that are also in the comics and who don't show up that often.

[42:46] Later on, not to spoil things too much, but Geno Tempo bounds with a symbiote and she's got cool symbiote hair.

[42:52] I like that.

[42:54] That's saying that she's a lady.

[42:56] There's a symbiote lady who has long symbiote hair in the comics.

[43:00] Are there any male characters with symbiote hair?

[43:04] No.

[43:06] The male characters tend to be pretty bald when they're in the symbiote mode.

[43:10] It's only a ladies thing.

[43:12] I like the way that the personification of death in the Marvel Universe is a skeleton in a robe, but she still has boobs, so you know she's a lady.

[43:18] Yeah, I like how you said personification, which is the first version of Sonic the Hedgehog when his face looked too human.

[43:26] Too human, too much, yeah.

[43:28] Those little teeth.

[43:30] The fight spills out to where the hippies can see them.

[43:32] Eddie reunites with them.

[43:34] At one point, one of the symbiotes yells at Chewatel for killing another one of them, saying,

[43:38] We are not the bad guys.

[43:40] I'm like, what are we doing here, everyone?

[43:42] Dan, this Venom movie about a man who has alien clothes that is being stalked by other aliens, it's got an important message about not othering people who are different than you.

[43:52] I do have to point out that this xenophage is unstoppable.

[43:56] It scarfs people.

[43:58] If it takes any damage, it reconstitutes.

[44:02] You blow it up and it's fine.

[44:04] You shoot it and it's fine.

[44:06] It's vulnerable to having its head chopped off, as we find out later.

[44:10] That's the one thing it can't do.

[44:12] It's vulnerable to when the right character kills it.

[44:16] I was going to bring this up when we got there, but we may as well talk about it now.

[44:21] Later on, one's head gets chopped off.

[44:23] Another one gets blasted in the head with a rocket launcher.

[44:26] I'm like, okay, I guess that kills them.

[44:30] Literally everything else has just had them reconstitute themselves.

[44:34] The movie is not really making it clear that these are permanently dead, especially when there's so many monsters racing all over the place.

[44:41] This is one place where I, as a stupid audience member, could have used someone like, cut off their heads.

[44:46] It's the only way to kill them.

[44:48] Okay, I know where we're at now.

[44:50] Thumbs up.

[44:51] I know the rules.

[44:53] Their head is their connection to Null, so they must not have it severed from their body.

[44:58] Speaking of things the monsters can and can't do, at this point it lets out a ringing signal to both alert Null and also temporarily separate the symbiotes from the people they're on.

[45:10] Which had me wondering, why did this monster not do this at any time earlier in the movie?

[45:14] It's got to be on a fucking cooldown or something.

[45:16] If they have that ability all the time, it's OP.

[45:19] It is going to ruin the game.

[45:21] And they don't necessarily want to separate the symbiote from Eddie, too, because they need that sweet codex.

[45:27] Eddie zooms off on a motorcycle to distract the monsters for a while from the family who have decided they don't like aliens after all, other than their friend Eddie.

[45:34] Chiwetel is stabbed by a monster tail.

[45:38] Meanwhile, Venom and another symbiote use chopper blades to cut off a monster's head, fully killing it.

[45:44] Eddie's pulled to safety.

[45:47] With some motorcycle tricks, too.

[45:48] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[45:49] Venom uses his long arms to pull Eddie to safety.

[45:54] He's been stabbed by some shrapnel or something like that.

[45:57] And Venom's like, I have to sacrifice myself to keep the codex from locking Null.

[46:04] These sentences.

[46:07] So he does a hero walk while the symbiote absorbs various monsters, which is yet another thing where I'm like, he could do this all the time?

[46:18] I feel like as silly as this is.

[46:21] There was something like there was something weirdly said about this scene between the two.

[46:26] Well, you know what?

[46:27] I'm genuinely tender.

[46:28] I was about to get to it.

[46:29] He was he ejects Eddie out to keep him safe while he's putting himself in acid.

[46:35] And there's this weirdly sweet moment, I thought, where he sends a little tendril out to put an armored door over Eddie to try and protect him from what's coming up next, which is he does not do that for Chiwetel.

[46:46] Who is dying?

[46:49] He's just holding him up to the voice recognition thing so he can say Strickland and have the acid come down.

[46:55] And he blows everything acid grenade to which I'm not sure how that door protected Eddie because that grenade also seems to set off like the entire anything explosive in the general vicinity goes up.

[47:09] I mean, that's the same way that in Craven he is blown up with a missile and then falls in a pile of rubble falls in him.

[47:16] And he just bugs bunny his way out where he just suddenly is standing behind the bad guy with no explanation.

[47:21] Yeah, it's just hero stuff.

[47:23] At the last minute is everything explodes.

[47:26] Juno Temple is only able to save one of her colleagues by breaking a test tube and turning herself into a symbiote host at the last minute.

[47:34] And she's got a best friend now.

[47:37] It's cool.

[47:38] Yeah.

[47:39] And he wakes up in the hospital calling for venom and an army guys like he's not coming back.

[47:43] These Sony movies were a bad idea.

[47:45] He's not coming back.

[47:46] I love this.

[47:47] But this is a very funny moment when he looks over and there's just been an army guy standing there the whole time waiting for him to wake up, I guess, to deliver the message to him.

[47:54] But it's just very funny.

[47:55] Yeah.

[47:56] But at least he pardons Eddie for anything he possibly could be prosecuted for with something that something that a military leader doesn't really have the ability to do.

[48:05] Well, maybe he's a messenger.

[48:07] I mean, yes.

[48:08] He brings the he has the caveat that, of course, he will be indefinitely detained somewhere if he speaks a word of any of it.

[48:15] And then we have the ending of the film before the credits.

[48:21] Mm hmm.

[48:22] Well, where Eddie walks around New York dreaming a sentimental montage.

[48:26] All of the fun times.

[48:27] Yeah.

[48:28] Because Venom had been talking about how much he wanted to see New York.

[48:31] Yeah.

[48:32] The one thing I miss is lives of memories plays.

[48:34] Sorry.

[48:35] Yeah, it's fine.

[48:36] The one thing the one clip that they did not play from previous movies.

[48:39] I really would like the moment where Michelle Williams is sitting with him on a stoop and she's like, Eddie, I'm sorry about that.

[48:45] I'm sorry about Venom.

[48:47] What a great line.

[48:48] Sorry about that.

[48:50] And he stares out at Lady Liberty and he says, I won't forget you.

[48:55] But sentimental ending.

[49:00] A tale of a man in love with an alien.

[49:03] Like no shit, dude.

[49:04] He's not going to forget the like month he was bonded with an alien biting people's heads off.

[49:09] No matter how much therapy he can get, he will never forget Venom.

[49:13] I mean, it does open the possibility that he'll get married, have a family and then just be like eating dinner sometime.

[49:19] Be like, oh, you know, I just thought about Venom.

[49:22] I haven't thought about him in years.

[49:24] Yeah.

[49:25] Who?

[49:26] Oh, I never told you about him.

[49:28] My roommate slash body mate.

[49:30] Oh, we were.

[49:31] Yeah, we were.

[49:32] We were so close.

[49:33] Yeah.

[49:34] He's on a camping trip with friends and somebody gets bitten by a snake.

[49:36] They're like, hurry, Eddie, get the antivenom.

[49:38] He's like, Venom, I got a story for you, buddy.

[49:42] Eddie, there's not time.

[49:46] So the listed run time for this film is one hour 50.

[49:49] But here at one hour 32, we get credits.

[49:55] I was like, oh, I'm living on borrowed time, baby.

[49:58] Turned it off.

[49:59] Of course.

[50:00] scenes, you better believe it, Vin Heads. Sure. There's a mid-credit one where Null swears he's

[50:05] gonna find a way to Earth and destroy it. Don't worry, we'll never see him again. He says,

[50:10] and you will watch. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't think so. Unless he changes his mind.

[50:17] But maybe, I mean, if it happens, we will watch it for the podcast, probably. Yeah, of course,

[50:22] yeah. And then there's the end credits. Venom does the actual last dance. Yeah. And the very

[50:27] end of the credits. Wait, there's another one? Yeah, the bartender emerges from the smoking

[50:32] ruins of Area 51, where he'd been held, and a cockroach crawls up to some remaining symbiote

[50:37] in a test tube, which retroactively gives context to some utterly meaningless chatter Judo Temple

[50:44] has with the security guard earlier about how cockroaches survive, you know, for millions of

[50:50] years or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, that's a, you know, that's a true thing about cockroaches.

[50:54] Why is this in the movie at this point? The security guard is like, also nods like,

[51:00] yeah, yeah, you're not very good at making small talk. Well, go on. Does it become like a venom

[51:05] cockroach? It threatens to, but the screen goes black. It's implied that this cockroach will now

[51:11] be a venom cockroach, which is one of those things where it's at. We've already seen a venom.

[51:16] We've seen venom symbiotes in the wild on people and other animals. We know there are other venom

[51:21] symbiotes that survived. So I don't quite know what the purpose is of this moment, if it's

[51:25] supposed to seem cool. But the idea, usually this is when you realize, oh, there's still one left.

[51:29] Here we go again. You know, Judo Temple's walking around with one on, right? Like the other ones are

[51:34] still around, I think. So, yeah, it kind of undercuts the coolness of finding out there's

[51:38] another because, you know, there's a bunch of other ones, too. Yeah. Well, let's get into our

[51:43] final judgments of the final or last dance. The final. Is this a good, bad movie, a bad, bad movie

[51:53] or a movie kind of like this is entirely out of like weird affection that I've grown to have for

[52:00] these movies, having to watch all of them for the podcast. I did kind of like this. I think it's just

[52:04] Stockholm syndrome of like Tom Hardy really loves doing this. There's enough silly things in each

[52:11] movie that I have fun. And this one, like I said before, the credits drop was only an hour and a

[52:17] half. So I kind of liked it, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone per se. So it's not your

[52:23] recommendation for this episode. Circumstances have caused me to learn to love Venom the way Eddie has.

[52:29] Yeah. You've been bonded to the Venom series as Eddie Brock is bonded to Venom. Yeah. I mean,

[52:35] I feel like this is kind of on the border between a bad, bad movie and a movie I kind of like.

[52:40] There's some like it is I feel like it's by the numbers in a lot of ways, but there are weird

[52:46] moments that are great. And it is just such a strange thing that this so much of the movie

[52:53] is this guy who's like kind of hapless and like barely a hero just wandering around.

[53:01] And then there's just a loud voice yelling at him. And you don't even see Venom for most of the time.

[53:07] It's just like, I don't know, it's just such a strange choice. It's just they're weird.

[53:12] They're weird movies. OK, right. I think we can agree they're weird movies. Yeah, I agree with

[53:17] you. It's on that same line for me between bad, bad and movie kind of like when it's just exactly

[53:22] when it's the weird moments where it's just Tom Hardy and Venom talking to each other that that's

[53:27] the kind of stuff in the first movie I was like, all right, he's like a wisecracking alien who loves

[53:31] pop culture stuff. But now that has grown on me. And I think it's because in a weird it's

[53:36] weird to say this, but I feel like Tom Hardy has grown into the Venom character in addition

[53:40] to making the Eddie Brock character more of a shambling loser, you know. And so I really like

[53:45] that. But any time it's dealing with the main plot of the movie, it's super dull and exposition

[53:50] heavy. And but yeah, like you're saying, by the numbers. And it's kind of fascinating that like

[53:55] Tom Hardy is basically turn this into and I'm assuming he has a lot of control over this.

[54:00] But I feel like the movies have turned into a weird like love affair between Tom Hardy and

[54:05] Tom Hardy. Like it's like he's like, it's just such a weird thing. It's and I would much rather

[54:12] see a movie about at this point about Eddie Brock trying to have a regular life and dealing with the

[54:17] fact that he's like a drop dead Fred type version of Venom, you know, because I agree, right? It's

[54:22] this weird thing of a love affair between two characters played by the same actor who feel

[54:26] like they're playing different sides of that same person. And that's more fun to me than

[54:32] any of this stuff. It would be so much more fun if they had lowered the stakes and there was like

[54:36] no other Venom characters in there. And it was just like him, like, yeah, like him, like, OK,

[54:41] I have to deal with. Yeah, I'm just like doing it's like a slice of life story where he's like

[54:46] dealing with like neighborhood problems, basically. Yeah, that's what I want to say.

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[1:00:31] Let's uh, let's do some letters guys. Let's do some letters read ourselves. That's yeah, that's what we call it

[1:00:37] Right doing others. Well, I'll read them and then I'll respond

[1:00:40] This is from Adam last name withheld do that. I'm gonna go in

[1:00:45] Yep

[1:00:47] Sonic on the suite hereafter. Yep, Adam writes as a native Minnesotan. I hold the

[1:00:52] 1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary jingle all the way

[1:00:56] Near and dear to my heart as the pinnacle of the 90s at Minnesota film renaissance

[1:01:02] Standing alongside Fargo mall rats the Mighty Ducks drop-dead Fred and drop-dead gorgeous as an essential piece of our

[1:01:10] series

[1:01:12] Drop dead before midnight

[1:01:14] this year my wife and I

[1:01:17] meticulously tracked and mapped

[1:01:19] Schwarzenegger's Christmas Eve film odyssey to get a turbo man for Jamie and determined that to jingle all the way

[1:01:26] means driving 100 plus miles and or

[1:01:30] 3.5 hours

[1:01:32] Plus in search of one very specific last-minute gift not counting shopping

[1:01:37] Committing multiple felonies pushing his SUV 10 across town or many many other shenanigans

[1:01:44] Are there other movies that come to mind for compressing an absurd amount of chaos into one day slash night

[1:01:51] Thanks for the laughs and keep your stick on the ice Adam last name withheld

[1:01:56] Not after hours that makes perfect sense to me

[1:01:59] Well, the thing is like I gotta say I love the one crazy night conceit and I will forgive

[1:02:05] The idea of like a bunch of chaos being compressed into one night because that's part of the fun of it

[1:02:10] What always bothers me in movies

[1:02:13] Even though I know that one of the points of filmmaking is we can compress or expand time at will

[1:02:18] it's one of the magic powers of cinema, but when a

[1:02:22] movie

[1:02:23] really relies on

[1:02:25] Like putting something off for a long time for suspense and then at the end like oh

[1:02:29] We magically did it in like five minutes at the end of the movie. Yeah, that's okay

[1:02:33] Look, I don't like that kind of like playing with time

[1:02:35] But I like it when they

[1:02:37] They take the moments before death and they slow it down and I can see my hands running through the wheat field

[1:02:44] I can see my dead family far off in the distance and I realized revenge was worth it, you know

[1:02:50] Or if you're like falling down the middle of like an atrium in a big building

[1:02:54] Dread has shot you or

[1:02:57] Dread is smashed a

[1:03:00] Tube of slow-mo into my mouth and then thrown me off a building

[1:03:04] And I get to experience slow-mo style

[1:03:08] What a picture what a picture what a picture indeed

[1:03:10] I think the only thing that bothers me along those ways is when characters go from

[1:03:17] From hating each other to being in love with each other over the course of one night, you know

[1:03:21] Or one day that happens a lot movies

[1:03:29] But I it can also be fun to see something yeah where it's just like oh what a night oh so much stuff happens

[1:03:34] Yep, that's how it goes. Um

[1:03:36] So much stuff happened in this movie

[1:03:40] Just like the last episode this listener question is going to tie in with my movie recommendation. Oh teaser. Oh the tease master strikes again

[1:03:47] Oh

[1:04:03] So that doesn't really answer but it sort of does Blake last name withheld also writes it

[1:04:09] Blake writes the ice cream truck just drove by. No, and I was immediately

[1:04:15] Man Blake Edwards is waiting for an ice cream truck

[1:04:20] The ice cream truck just drove by and I was immediately compelled to cease my lazy day

[1:04:26] Get out of my awesome Jedi bathrobe and get dressed

[1:04:30] I didn't run out there in the nude and run after it to buy a Batman popsicle. I am 40 years old

[1:04:38] What are things?

[1:04:40] This is one of those baby shoes. Never never worn

[1:04:45] What should I do?

[1:04:47] What are things that create such a childlike sense of honest nostalgia for you that you have no choice but to indulge

[1:04:54] I don't mean fan service. I mean the stuff that actually triggers emotion

[1:05:00] Love you guys Blake last name withheld. Thanks, Blake

[1:05:06] This is a hard one to

[1:05:08] Go like I feel like often times we sort of like dance around the question because it's easier to be frank

[1:05:15] but um

[1:05:17] there's stuff like that came to my mind like I

[1:05:21] love a movie that has

[1:05:23] Stop motion in it just because it creates this like connection to like such a simple like beautiful past craft

[1:05:30] But it's not like I'm indulging in a particular thing. It's just like a thing that I will like when it comes

[1:05:35] up

[1:05:37] Another sort of thing that came to mind is you know, my childhood

[1:05:43] Movie hero was always Harrison Ford in you know, like Star Wars or Indiana Jones

[1:05:48] And so no matter how grumpy the man is we're winning red Hulk. I'm like

[1:05:54] You know, I like even during the lean Harrison Ford years

[1:05:58] I always at least considered seeing a movie that had a man that just because he was in it

[1:06:03] You know, who's that was that one with Brad Pitt the IRA movie the devil's own

[1:06:14] I mean, I find that most of my nostalgia gets triggered by seeing old commercials like the commercials from when I was a kid

[1:06:21] They feel so different than modern commercials

[1:06:22] But also I think like the taste of Hebrew national beef salami is it is a real taste of my childhood that I don't get

[1:06:31] Are you know touch the milk on the fabric of my life? Yeah

[1:06:34] But in terms of movies, yeah, I don't know. I mean there's certain move

[1:06:37] I mean, it's just there's certain movies that um

[1:06:39] Would that like I think movies that are have a very mid 80s level of technology whenever watching those

[1:06:46] there's a certain sort of nostalgia to like when I was a little kid and

[1:06:50] Just how much more analog the world was and how much less digital it was

[1:06:54] So I have a real you know the for a long time the

[1:06:57] Like Anna Perna logo, which is looks very much like a like a VHS tracking, you know

[1:07:02] Yeah, or an old TV turning on like that would really get to me

[1:07:04] So I just thought of one that like I really turned around on

[1:07:09] Early CGI like at the time my I was just like angry

[1:07:13] I'm like, well, we have ways of doing the thing that you're doing that look better for the technology and budget you have

[1:07:19] You know, but now like they had a rock why do they have to come up with this CGI scorpion

[1:07:25] But uh, but now I look back at that stuff. I'm like, oh give me more like I just saw

[1:07:30] At the most ridiculous the most recent ridiculous sublime

[1:07:34] Screaming at the Nighthawk with virtuosity

[1:07:40] We did that live show about spawn and like when the spawn movie came out I was like, oh this looks terrible

[1:07:45] But watching now, I'm like this looks beautifully terrible. Yeah, and it's almost all Jay

[1:07:48] It's just nostalgia and I said that like like in virtuosity is like the world that Sid is in is this like very vaporwave world?

[1:07:55] Where it's you know, it's like oh, it's just a vast void with columns in it and someone's playing

[1:08:02] Giant chess pieces behind him. I'm like, this is what we thought technology meant back then

[1:08:06] Yeah, it all looked like, you know, like the animated menu

[1:08:11] Yeah, I

[1:08:13] I'm I think you guys have kind of answered the main question pretty well

[1:08:17] I mean

[1:08:18] I will also throw in there if I ever see in a movie if I ever see glass bricks like a glass brick wall

[1:08:23] I'm like, oh give me that shit. Yeah, I

[1:08:27] Feel like there's gonna be some silk stockings here

[1:08:30] but uh

[1:08:32] the the thing there is a thing that I have trouble with and that's

[1:08:36] When I when I was watching the first season of the bear, there's an episode where they install a

[1:08:41] Like a ticket machine for doing takeout orders and the sound of that fucking ticket machine

[1:08:46] Is it drives me insane? Like it reminds me of working in places where I had a ticket machine or

[1:08:53] with the the

[1:08:55] the timers

[1:08:56] At the bar have a very specific tone

[1:08:59] And if I ever hear that like that specific ringing tone like I hear to my dreams sometimes

[1:09:03] But like one of my bartenders was playing a song that had that tone that ringing tone

[1:09:08] And i'm like turn that fucking thing off

[1:09:10] That's I used to have I had an alarm clock that made the same sound as the alarm clock at the start of the theme

[1:09:15] Song for the animated tick tv show. Oh, okay, and I remember

[1:09:20] At one point re-watching one of those and that sound came up in the beginning and I was like, uh

[1:09:23] Like even though I was awake, I jolted as if I was waking up

[1:09:26] Yeah, like when movies use the like use what the the stock

[1:09:30] Apple like iphone alarm thing. I'm like, I hate this movie. Yeah, I hate this. I want to leave

[1:09:38] Um, let's uh, let's recommend some movies shall we yeah, why not do it usually seen do they make any good ones?

[1:09:45] Oh, thank you. Um, i'm going to do something a little unusual and i'm going to

[1:09:49] recommend a short film

[1:09:52] Um, it's from elliot. Is this okay? It's okay. I mean he's recommended you to do a short film

[1:09:56] It's from elliot. Is this okay? It's okay. I mean he's recommended

[1:10:00] films before so you can do it again. Yeah. Thank you for the

[1:10:03] ruling. Yeah. President is on your side. Yeah. Well, you

[1:10:06] know that doesn't always mean anything. I appreciate that you

[1:10:09] have kept to the old ways. It's windy day is the title from

[1:10:14] 1968. It was as I found it on the Criterion channel. I was

[1:10:20] looking to see what sort of animation what sort of short

[1:10:22] animation they had on there. It's directed by Faith and John

[1:10:30] a married couple and they made a lot of animated animated.

[1:10:34] Yes. Yes. And this one it's their two daughters, one of

[1:10:38] whom went on grew up to be a founding member of Yola Tango.

[1:10:42] I found it. Oh, I didn't know that looking at this movie, but

[1:10:47] this is some audio of the two daughters playing and it's at

[1:10:53] least somewhat just like found audio like like improvised

[1:10:58] stuff, but I think that also from what I read it was guided

[1:11:01] a little bit by you know the hands of the parents, but you

[1:11:05] know kids are not going to it's it's it's going to go off into

[1:11:08] weird directions and this is a beautifully animated little

[1:11:11] short that is audio of two real children playing and it

[1:11:16] captures sort of the phantasmagoria like things like

[1:11:19] keep shifting the the older girl wants to put on a play.

[1:11:24] The younger girls like why do you always want to do plays

[1:11:26] doesn't want to do it until like it starts happening and

[1:11:28] of course she wants to join in and it it just really captures

[1:11:32] the feeling of kids at play and how they sort of stumble into

[1:11:38] weird and profound misunderstandings about the way

[1:11:40] the the world works because their children like the movie

[1:11:44] kids right not like that at all and yeah, Elliot mentioned that

[1:11:50] John Healey did a lot of stuff. I was looking him up to Disney

[1:11:54] worked at work for UPA was responsible for the Mapo

[1:11:57] commercials. I want my Mapo co-created Mr. Magoo did a

[1:12:02] bunch of Sesame Street animations did the Doonesbury

[1:12:04] animated special like his hands are all over the place. Is that

[1:12:10] about politics? Yeah, probably, but it led me down a rabbit

[1:12:15] hole looking into more of that work because it's it's

[1:12:17] interesting stuff. Yeah, and he they did they did a number of

[1:12:20] cartoons using kind of kid audio. Yeah also. Yeah, that's

[1:12:25] really good. Stuart. What are you going to recommend? I'm

[1:12:27] going to recommend a movie that kind of fits into the

[1:12:29] compressed time. A lot of stuff happens genre and that's a

[1:12:33] recent comedy called one of them days starring Kiki Palmer

[1:12:37] and SZA. It's basically like a like a goofy friend's buddy

[1:12:45] movie where they are facing a economic crisis and they have

[1:12:49] to get it done by the end of the day or else bad things will

[1:12:53] happen and things keep getting progressively worse for our two

[1:12:57] heroes, but they are both very charming. There's a you know a

[1:13:01] bunch of weird characters intersect with their journey.

[1:13:05] It's a lot of fun and it was it was I saw this movie. I feel

[1:13:10] like about a month ago when it was in theaters and it was just

[1:13:13] so much fun to see a movie like this in a movie theater because

[1:13:17] it's so rare to see like comedies like mid budget

[1:13:20] comedies showing up in movie theaters and yeah, it was just

[1:13:23] like a fun hangout movie with two leads who are incredibly

[1:13:26] likable and I would watch them make another one of these. So

[1:13:30] that's my review one of them days. I'm going to recommend a

[1:13:33] movie that's kind of the opposite of that to documentary

[1:13:35] that is not a fun hangout movie and it's about a main

[1:13:38] character who is very unlikable and very and a little

[1:13:41] frightening and this is the movie. The emperor's naked army

[1:13:44] marches on this is a Japanese documentary from 1987 that

[1:13:48] Kazuo Hara directed and it follows this guy Kenzo Okazaki

[1:13:52] who he's a veteran of World War two and he has become

[1:13:55] convinced that it is his calling to go and confront

[1:14:00] other veterans of World War two for their failures both fail

[1:14:03] the failures of how they took care of the soldiers who are

[1:14:07] fighting for Japan in New Guinea and also it is to

[1:14:10] confront them over their attempts to try to go back to

[1:14:14] normal life rather than becoming kind of almost

[1:14:16] biblical prophets of the madness of the war and he's a

[1:14:20] very difficult person. He is at times a very violent person

[1:14:23] who he'll be confronting someone about what happened to

[1:14:26] them in the war and then just start beating them up because

[1:14:28] they're not doing they're not saying the things he wants them

[1:14:30] to and he is especially focused on the deaths of two soldiers

[1:14:34] that that were executed under somewhat mysterious charges of

[1:14:39] desertion, but they're executed after the war had officially

[1:14:42] ended when they shouldn't have been able to try those charges

[1:14:44] and this is a spoiler. Most of the movie is him talking to

[1:14:48] people in tense meetings that because of Japanese etiquette

[1:14:52] more than anything else. I think people will sit down and

[1:14:54] talk to him and the meetings are can try to say talk calmly

[1:14:58] despite the tension, but about halfway through suddenly all

[1:15:01] their conversations become about cannibalism among Japanese

[1:15:04] soldiers during World War two and who they were eating and why

[1:15:07] they were eating them and it was just one of the most one of

[1:15:11] the biggest kind of sudden breaks in my understanding of

[1:15:14] what a movie was about in the middle in the middle of it and

[1:15:16] happens very calmly that someone is just like yeah. Anyway,

[1:15:19] I heard they were killed because they were going to talk

[1:15:21] about all the cannibalism that was happening and then

[1:15:23] suddenly the movie is on that road and it's a it's a it's a

[1:15:28] like a real life portrait of almost like a real life kind of

[1:15:31] like Travis Bickle type person and this crusade that he's on

[1:15:36] that is of questionable value and the secrets that he's

[1:15:40] digging up potentially going on and it's a I found it to be a

[1:15:43] really kind of like fascinating movie and a really hard hitting

[1:15:46] movie though. It's not always sometimes sometimes it's a it's

[1:15:50] an unpleasant watch even though it's mostly scenes of people

[1:15:53] just talking to each other in different in different rooms and

[1:15:55] occasionally being beaten up by this guy. It's not a screwball

[1:15:58] comedy. It is not a screwball comedy. It's not a particularly

[1:16:01] funny movie and that's the emperor's naked army marches on

[1:16:05] well worth seeing, but it's not like it's not a fun hangout

[1:16:07] movie. Cool at all. Stu any last Max fun drive words before

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[1:17:39] I wonder if this is the first time that the director of a

[1:17:47] movie has been an actor in the sequel to that movie. Who was

[1:17:51] the director? Because Andy Serkis directed the last Venom

[1:17:53] movie and he plays Null in this movie. Yeah, he really plays the

[1:17:58] hell out of it. The characters barely exist in the movie.

[1:18:01] The director for this is the longtime screenwriter. Oh,

[1:18:04] that's right. Yeah. So, that was kind of nice. Getting a

[1:18:09] chance. Sure. Put them in coach. The movie's not very

[1:18:12] good but you know. Something that something that Venom would

[1:18:14] probably say. Put them in coach. Put them in coach. Eddie.

[1:18:18] Put them in coach. Put them in coach. That's first class for

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Ep.#447 - Venom: The Last Dance

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