Ep. #288 - The Haunting of Sharon Tate

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss The Haunting of Sharon Tate.

[0:03] For this performance of The Haunting of Sharon Tate, Sharon Tate will be played by Hill House.

[0:08] Okay, that's actually eerily accurate.

[0:30] Hey, everyone, and welcome to The Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:43] Oh, hey there. I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:46] Over here in my in-law's garage, I'm Elliot Kalin on vacation, but not on a podcation.

[0:52] That's when you don't do a podcast because you're on vacation.

[0:54] And Dan, what's special about today's show, huh?

[0:57] We have a special guest.

[0:59] You know her from Twitter.

[1:01] You know her from writing funny things for Vulture.

[1:06] You know her from a few scenes in Search Party.

[1:10] Yep.

[1:11] She's Natalie Walker.

[1:13] Yay!

[1:14] You know her from the old days of the Facebook group for the blog house.

[1:18] She was a big fan.

[1:20] Yeah.

[1:20] She was.

[1:22] She was.

[1:23] No longer.

[1:24] Well, now she's just among you.

[1:27] We scatter flowers on the grave of old Natalie.

[1:31] No, you made reference to a recent episode, which made me feel good because it would have broken my heart to learn that you had stopped listening.

[1:39] I simply don't listen.

[1:40] No, I just like moved back from the Facebook group because there just started to be so many people and so many men.

[1:47] Wow.

[1:48] I already engaged with too many internet men.

[1:51] But yeah, Serenity was gorgeous.

[1:54] Serenity just appeals to men.

[1:56] To dudes?

[1:56] Why?

[1:57] Well, let's not exclude our female listeners.

[2:00] No, no, Dan.

[2:01] They're gone.

[2:01] We don't need them anymore.

[2:02] No.

[2:03] Hey, Natalie.

[2:04] This is now The Flophouse, a podcast where three dudes talk to women about what women are interested in.

[2:09] Younger.

[2:11] We're going to talk about younger.

[2:12] Yes.

[2:13] I have a lot of opinions about Kelsey Peters' new role at Millennials.

[2:17] I don't think she's equipped for it, and I'm nervous.

[2:20] I 100% agree with you, and I think it's all going to fall apart, and I don't really like her relationship with Zane, but we'll talk about it more.

[2:26] I'm a dad, so I assumed you were talking about Sebastian Younger, the author, a guy that dads read.

[2:33] Sebastian Younger is the type of author who might be parodied in an episode of the television show Younger.

[2:39] Now, Natalie, I'm led to believe you're very popular on the internet.

[2:44] How does one do that?

[2:46] Just carve out a niche.

[2:52] If you can appeal to teenage girls, I think that's...

[2:55] That's our mistake.

[2:56] Yeah, that's sort of the main thing, because it was like no one cared about anything I did.

[3:00] And then I did a video that was the Alto 2 part of All I Want for Christmas is You from when my high school sang it.

[3:06] And then all of these teen girls started being like, I'm doing this part now.

[3:10] Retweet, retweet, retweet.

[3:11] And now they all will go to bat for me, especially queer teenage girls.

[3:15] OK, so you have you have an army following you, an army supporting you.

[3:21] And now you find yourself singing with Paul F. Tompkins.

[3:24] Insane. I get to do it again soon.

[3:26] oh wow he's coming back we're doing unworthy of your love from assassins i don't even know what

[3:31] that is it's a good song it's not and it's freaky from so uh topical very yeah very related to this

[3:39] episode because dan what do we do on this podcast but wait is that a song from the movie assassins

[3:44] with antonio banderas no okay well i remember i wonder if anyone went to see assassins the movie

[3:51] and was like i can't wait finally they're making movies out of my favorite sondheim shows

[3:54] And they're just super disappointed

[3:57] Antonio Banderas could have been in it

[3:59] Probably

[4:00] Famously a singer

[4:01] I didn't know that

[4:02] See this is an educational podcast

[4:06] So speaking of educating people

[4:07] Dan what do we do on this podcast

[4:09] So on this podcast

[4:12] We watch a bad movie and then we talk about it

[4:14] Now Natalie chose the movie this time around

[4:16] I want to say actually

[4:17] Sounds like an accusation

[4:19] I'll get to that

[4:21] I want to say before

[4:22] Or a very nice listener wrote in and said, hey, maybe on occasional episodes, if necessary, a content warning would be nice.

[4:30] And so I want to say that this movie is about the graphic murder of some real life people that it does not take that seriously, I think.

[4:38] I think it is taking, I think that it thinks it's taking it very seriously.

[4:43] Yeah, maybe.

[4:44] I'm just letting people know that.

[4:46] In case people didn't realize that from the title, The Haunting of Sharon Tate, that it might involve the real life murder of Sharon Tate.

[4:52] Well, it could have been about her being haunted on the set of Valley of the Dolls by Judy

[4:57] Garland's ghost.

[4:57] That's possible.

[4:59] That's fair.

[5:01] So, yeah, Natalie, why this movie?

[5:03] My friend, Nicole Cliff, texted me in the middle of the night one night and was like,

[5:09] I'm watching the most horrible movie I've maybe ever seen.

[5:13] It's The Haunting of Sharon Tate.

[5:15] And I had never heard of this movie.

[5:16] And then I looked it up and I was like, Hilary Duff as Sharon Tate.

[5:19] That simply does not seem right.

[5:22] and then this

[5:24] because she seems like a child pretending to be

[5:27] an adult through the whole movie

[5:28] oh yeah also she has very short girl energy

[5:31] and Sharon Tate like is very

[5:33] willowy and like Hilary

[5:34] Duff is someone whose like face you see

[5:37] and you're like that's a short girl

[5:38] she's a cute short girl

[5:40] I think I might need you to explain this before

[5:43] because I've never heard of these concepts before

[5:45] is it because of the way she holds her head

[5:47] she's always like she's used

[5:49] to looking up at things

[5:50] yes yes and there's not a lot of neck involved yeah it was it was a lot yeah and also she's

[5:56] doing the she's doing for the first half of the movie like a very funny accent like of an old

[6:02] timey person i was very interested in that roman she seems to think that sharon tate talked like

[6:09] katherine hepburn yeah it's like a like a lot of like a girl like uh the african queen on tv

[6:15] and it's like that's how i'm going to talk yes and i like to be pretty easy on actors in general

[6:22] like you know we're talking about younger before i like hillary duff perfectly fine in that role

[6:27] yeah where she plays kelsey peters the head of the millennial imprint over empirical publishing

[6:32] i would just say that maybe the casting was a mistake in this case my guess is that this movie

[6:37] was not going to get made without hillary duff in the role of sharon tate so i can understand

[6:42] from the producer's point of view

[6:44] why this was the casting they went with.

[6:45] And she filmed this while pregnant, right?

[6:48] She's actually pregnant in this movie.

[6:50] Is that true?

[6:52] Because it looked like a fake pregnant belly

[6:53] to me, to be honest.

[6:55] She was.

[6:55] I feel like it.

[6:56] Well, I mean, because there's a lot of times

[6:58] while watching Younger where I'm like,

[6:59] I think Hilary Duff's pregnant

[7:01] based on the way they're dressing her.

[7:02] And the way there's always grocery bags

[7:04] on her desk in front of her belly.

[7:05] Yeah, she's always at her desk.

[7:08] Always diaphanous layers.

[7:11] It's always like a leather jacket with like tight sleeves,

[7:14] but then the leather jacket has like little ruffles in the front.

[7:17] There's always construction workers are always carrying long planks of wood

[7:21] by in the foreground of the shots.

[7:23] Yeah.

[7:24] Yeah.

[7:25] It's like a,

[7:26] like a Jim Lee X-Men panel that features a naked character and they just

[7:30] have like billowing smoke.

[7:31] Oh yeah.

[7:32] Well,

[7:32] there's all those wisps of very opaque smoke covering Psylocke's parts.

[7:36] Yeah.

[7:36] Oh,

[7:37] to read Chris Claremont's original script describing that panel.

[7:41] What's weird is that the description for the original panel probably had less text than the caption boxes in the final comic.

[7:48] Oh, Chris Claremont Byrne.

[7:50] Anyway, so, Stuart, you were going to take us through this movie, The Haunting of Sharon Tate, right?

[7:54] Okay, I'm going to crack open my summary notes.

[7:57] That's weird.

[7:59] It looks like across four pages I just spelled out the word fart.

[8:03] Okay, just kidding.

[8:06] I mean, that's weird since there's no audible farts in the film, as far as I remember.

[8:09] No audible ones.

[8:11] We have to figure someone on set.

[8:12] Yeah, well, Sharon's pregnant.

[8:14] She's pregnant.

[8:16] Her body's doing all sorts of things.

[8:17] There's nothing wrong with that.

[8:18] It's just the human body.

[8:19] Okay, The Haunting of Sharon Tate.

[8:22] Chapter one.

[8:24] So we get our usual deluge of production company credits.

[8:29] Oh, man, there were so many.

[8:30] Including Saban films, you know, Saban's Power Rangers.

[8:33] Voltage.

[8:34] Voltage Pictures, which has, like, their little video

[8:39] looks like a scene from

[8:41] the Chrono Trigger video game.

[8:43] I thought the same thing.

[8:45] Yeah, I mean, that reference

[8:49] was mainly for your benefit, Natalie.

[8:50] So the movie opens with an

[8:53] Edgar Allan Poe quote,

[8:54] Is all that we see or seem

[8:57] but a dream within a dream?

[8:59] Always a good sign

[9:01] when you get that kind of an opening.

[9:03] Also for a thing based

[9:05] on a real life story, I'm like,

[9:07] no, in this case, not.

[9:09] When you start with a quote like that,

[9:11] it's like that's the movie's trigger warning

[9:14] for like what you're about to see

[9:16] is kind of a bunch of bullshit.

[9:17] It's a fanfic about a murder.

[9:20] I guess if these shadows have offended,

[9:23] maybe you fell asleep and dreamed the whole thing,

[9:25] did Edgar Allan Poe write that?

[9:27] Whatever, I don't care.

[9:28] It's a Hilary Duff movie.

[9:29] It is, and by the way,

[9:32] I'm glad that we're finally crossing

[9:33] into true crime territory.

[9:35] That's going to take this podcast

[9:36] It's hugely popular right now.

[9:37] People love to treat real-life tragedy as entertainment,

[9:41] that they can, you know, just kind of wonder whodunit.

[9:44] Yeah, I mean, Unsolved Murder, what Unsolved Murder is?

[9:47] Unsolved Mysteries was the name of the show, is still pretty big.

[9:51] People watch it on, what, Netflix, Hulu?

[9:53] Probably all of those.

[9:54] I mean, this is not an unsolved murder.

[9:56] The culprits are in jail right now.

[9:58] I mean, one of them has deceased, but, you know, what are you going to do?

[10:03] But do they turn into ghosts and see their bodies at the end of the murder?

[10:06] That's the mystery, Elliot.

[10:07] We'll find out.

[10:08] So the movie opens after that quote with an interviewer asking Sharon Tate if she's psychic.

[10:15] We get a timestamp, Thursday, August 1st, 1968.

[10:19] And then she relays a dream she had where she and her friend were murdered.

[10:24] Now, should we explain for any younger people listening to this podcast?

[10:28] I kid.

[10:29] All of our listeners are elderly like us.

[10:31] Who Sharon Tate is?

[10:33] why we know ahead of time that her haunting will be fatal.

[10:36] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[10:36] So this is based on the murder of...

[10:40] I don't know why I'm taking this.

[10:41] This is a subject I know almost nothing about.

[10:43] Who wants to field this one?

[10:46] Sharon Tate was in Star 80, right?

[10:49] Is that correct?

[10:49] Or is that someone else I'm thinking of?

[10:52] No, no, no.

[10:52] I'm thinking of a different person who died.

[10:54] You're thinking of Dorothy Stratton.

[10:55] Yeah, she also died.

[10:56] R&P, RIP, R&P.

[10:58] You know what?

[10:59] Okay, Natalie, do you want to try?

[11:01] Because after these two failures...

[11:03] I think we can just round rob it.

[11:06] It's like one of those games where each person adds one word to the story.

[11:11] She was Roman Polanski's wife, and she was an actress.

[11:14] I don't know what she was in.

[11:15] Star 80 is about Dorothy Stratton, right?

[11:17] Star 80 is, yes.

[11:18] So Sharon Tate was the wife of Roman Polanski, and she was an actress.

[11:23] And her and her friends one night, including Jay Sebring, who was a friend of hers in another Hollywood fixture,

[11:29] one night they were murdered by the members of the manson family and if you read joan didion

[11:35] what they were staying in the house where like the previous occupant was some record producer

[11:41] who ignored charles manson's requests for uh for a record deal so they were mad if you listen to

[11:49] all 400 parts of you must remember this is serious on charles manson you'll know that

[11:53] Charles Manson, at first he wanted to get across his message of love and murder through becoming a groovy musician in the kind of Beach Boys type of forum.

[12:04] And he was hanging around Hollywood, involving himself in the lives of real Hollywood people for a while.

[12:10] And this record producer, he thought had, I guess, promised him something, and he kept going to his house and bothering him.

[12:16] And eventually that guy moved out and Tate and Polanski moved in and Charles Manson, I guess, didn't get the forwarding address card and kept going there.

[12:26] So the whole thing is a horrible, even more of a tragic misunderstanding.

[12:30] And if you read Joe Didion, it's when the 60s ended, even though by the calendar, there was still some 60s left, just a tiny bit.

[12:36] Sharon Tate was in Valley of the Dolls.

[12:39] That was her biggest role.

[12:40] I mean, they mentioned that in the movies and watched multiple times.

[12:43] Why are you arguing with me?

[12:44] We're talking about who Sharon Tate is.

[12:46] Just adding a little more context since I so flubbed it earlier.

[12:51] No, it's fine.

[12:53] I know you got her mixed up with a different tragically murdered blonde actress in the movie about her.

[12:58] And that's, you know, in Dan's mind, if you're blonde and an actress and you get murdered, you're all the same person.

[13:03] Who cares?

[13:03] Well, Karina Longworth did that entire series on dead blondes.

[13:08] Yeah, and Dan was like, it's the same person over and over again.

[13:12] It's like, why has she put out the same podcast 10 times?

[13:15] Why did she take the same person, give them 14 different names, and then do the same episode every time?

[13:20] I'm Dan McCoy.

[13:21] I have some sort of mental problem, I guess.

[13:26] Hey, you're the one who's saying it.

[13:28] Anyway, Stuart, so Sharon Tate, she had that bad dream.

[13:32] Yeah, she mentions that she had a bad dream that she and her friend were murdered.

[13:36] We then get a new title, a new date.

[13:39] it is one year later from the time of that interview we find out that through what like

[13:44] newsreels that there has been uh it gives us the story of the murder this is the what the day after

[13:51] this happened we take a leisurely the camera takes us on a leisurely stroll through the aftermath

[13:56] it takes us on a real realtor's walkthrough of the house for a long time it it does just enough

[14:03] to kind of like to to show you a little bit of the house but not actually give you that much

[14:08] of the like geography of the location yeah i had no sense of the layout of this house or how it

[14:14] worked and then uh and we of course uh the the camera lingers over the the the dead bodies

[14:21] finally ending on sharon tate we get a new title card three days earlier uh with a date wednesday

[14:28] august 6 1969 how i got in this position as a dead person it's it it was kind of shocking how

[14:36] many new dates and title cards

[14:38] this movie threw at us.

[14:39] For three days. It was like a movie

[14:42] that was trying to give you the impression that it was heavily

[14:43] researched and documented by confusing

[14:46] you as much as possible.

[14:47] It's 1968. Okay, it's a year

[14:50] later. Oh, I guess it's 1969. It's three days

[14:52] earlier. Three days earlier from 1969?

[14:53] Hold on. Wait, so is it like

[14:55] December 28th? It was like 1968.

[14:57] When I was studying for the APS

[15:00] history exam in high school, I

[15:02] did no actual work, but I just

[15:04] had a bunch of flashcards with like dates on them and i was like of course i'm doing it look at all

[15:09] these flashcards and that's what this movie was doing to me that's a really good prop

[15:13] so we uh we now have a scene where sharon tatner friend jay sebring are driving aaron samuels from

[15:23] mean girls oh i didn't yeah that's where i recognize it from they drive up to the house

[15:28] that we saw earlier this shot is done using a million edits uh it takes forever it looks like

[15:35] a perfume commercial yeah yes we get a little bit of ominous watching them from the shadows

[15:41] so we already get the spooky scary stuff going on at this point i didn't know who he was supposed

[15:45] to be so i'm like this is a very inaccurate roman polanski yeah this is a handsome guy

[15:50] uh yeah i was kind of excited that he was going to be a roman polanski and then they

[15:55] They did a switcheroonie on me.

[15:57] They go into the home.

[15:59] We're introduced to a dog that's apparently a doctor.

[16:02] That's crazy.

[16:04] Their dog's name was like Dr. Saperstein.

[16:07] That was the name of the dog.

[16:08] It is Dr. Saperstein.

[16:08] Ignore that.

[16:09] I mean, it was the 60s.

[16:11] Things were crazy.

[16:11] A dog could become a doctor.

[16:14] There's nothing in the rule book.

[16:15] As long as it's a male dog, I guess.

[16:18] That reminds me of an old riddle.

[16:21] A dog and a puppy are in an accident.

[16:25] And they bring the puppy to the hospital, and the doctor dog says, I can't operate on this puppy.

[16:33] It's my son, and I'm a bitch, technically.

[16:35] Dan's going to edit that whole thing.

[16:39] Dan, that was a technical term.

[16:43] I know.

[16:45] I'm aware.

[16:46] Elliot's foot is on base, I guess.

[16:50] Yeah, exactly.

[16:52] I'll allow it, says Air Bud.

[16:55] Wait, Air Bud can talk?

[16:57] I thought he could just play basketball.

[16:59] He also isn't a judge.

[17:00] There's nothing in the rule book that says a dog can't talk and be a judge.

[17:04] But doctor, I am Roman Polanski.

[17:06] That'd be so funny.

[17:11] Doc, I'm so depressed.

[17:13] Oh, you should see this new Roman Polanski movie.

[17:15] It'll really cheer you up.

[17:16] But doctor, I am Roman Polanski.

[17:17] And have you seen the movies I make?

[17:19] Even Fearless Vampire Killers, which is ostensibly a comedy, is like not funny.

[17:25] so uh we're introduced to two more people so we have this scene of like like it felt very much

[17:33] like a scene from a slasher movie where we get to meet all the young upcoming victims which i don't

[17:39] mean to say in a uh insensitive way just like all the dialogue is the is the laziest sorts of things

[17:46] we have a character uh what is it wozzeck who is best friend and his girlfriend or wife

[17:55] abigail who is the heiress to the folger empire yeah played by lydia hurst uh the granddaughter

[18:01] of what patty hurst and look at me yes thank you thank you heiress to the hurst uh-huh fortune so

[18:09] and uh and current current owner of chris hardwick's heart fucking a um so we uh stood by

[18:16] him yeah she she stood by her her husband chris hardwick through thick and thin uh maybe because

[18:22] she knew this movie was going to blow up so hillary duff displays uh she continues to display

[18:28] as my note says what is this accent and it comes and goes too oh absolutely by the end it's

[18:36] completely gone she's back to lizzie mcguire and what's impressive is that according to imdb that

[18:41] she like filmed the whole movie in two days yeah so it's not like the accent like like they had

[18:47] her come back and do reshoots months later and she was like what voice was i doing who cares

[18:52] it's like oh no that's just what it was just over the course of the day she was like oh let's let's

[18:57] stop it's after nine it's like after lunch she forgot what the accent was yes she's like oh i've

[19:03] got a sandwich in my tummy i can't do that accent anymore here's my here's my favorite detail about

[19:07] this scene is they make a real point of uh roman flansky has stayed back in london to work on his

[19:13] next movie and they make a real point of telling you that the movie is day of the dolphin and it's

[19:18] like i guess that's probably technically true he was working on day the dolphin but like what a

[19:22] weird movie to make sure the audience knows he was working on because it's one not a well-known

[19:27] movie and two he didn't direct it in the end because it's also part of like it's also part

[19:33] of a mini monologue that's the movie's like attempt at feminism where lydia hearst is like

[19:38] well he's directing day of the dolphin and you're being pregnant and he's not going to be there for

[19:43] you typical man what does this movie think and it's also like the movie is like that was roman

[19:49] polanski's real front crime not being there for his pregnant wife if he had done that he'd be a

[19:54] great man it's like a movie like he's a terrible person yeah yeah so there's a bunch of showbiz

[20:01] bullshit we get a little bit of uh exposition then we uh after a brief shot of the la skyline

[20:07] getting dark we uh we are our heroes are sitting around a table having dinner woge relays a story

[20:15] about a gnome a gnome that we know as norman polanski gnoman polanski you know i love a cool

[20:23] tale about a gnome um the conversation then uh blends into some like thoughts about like fate

[20:31] and, like, butterfly theory.

[20:33] Oh, my God.

[20:34] Yeah, this movie really lays out

[20:36] its ostensible theme very directly,

[20:38] being like, Sharon Tate is constantly being like,

[20:41] do you think that our lives are set

[20:44] or that they can change?

[20:46] The smallest choice can affect your destiny.

[20:49] Yeah, and then Abigail has a full-on psycho monologue

[20:52] that ends with, like, Sharon Tate,

[20:55] I think you're going to get everything you deserve.

[20:57] Looks at the camera.

[21:00] turn into daggers that monologue was also so terribly adr'd like why like she's you can tell

[21:08] that they just had lydia like watch the take and try to speak along to herself with like a lip sync

[21:14] and then i looked at the imdb trivia for this movie and it one of the trivia bits was three

[21:21] instagram posts by lydia hearst depicted her doing adr for this movie and i was like that's trivia

[21:27] okay sure it was a nice confirmation i was like why does this monologue sound so insane but i

[21:34] noticed that as well but i did not notice how many people found that information helpful

[21:38] here's the thing i like about this monologue is that both of these monologues is they feel like

[21:45] they were dropped in from a different script like up till that point it's a lot of like

[21:48] oh the baby's coming i'm i'm gaining so much weight oh that's terrible and your husband's

[21:54] not here oh shame on him do you think our lives are faded to end a certain way or can random chance

[22:00] spin us off into different directions do we have control over our own free will it's like wait what

[22:05] yeah we were just talking about sharon's ass like yeah it's like it went straight it went straight

[22:10] from like this movie into they just cut and pasted some pages from like a tom stopper play and just

[22:15] stuck them in and they and they even sneak in a sideburn about orson welles being overweight i

[22:20] I mean, come on, he's going through something.

[22:21] She talks a little bit about how she suspects Roman of infidelity,

[22:28] which, you know, I think that's a little Easter egg for the true fans.

[22:32] The fans of Roman Polanski's horrible life.

[22:37] That's when they start to play a fucking fortune-telling game

[22:42] while listening to, like, sitar music.

[22:44] It felt very strange.

[22:46] It was the 60s, dude.

[22:47] It was the 60s.

[22:48] That's what everybody did.

[22:49] Even the president was doing that stuff.

[22:51] Sitar mania swept the nation.

[22:53] Yeah, they play some fortune-telling game

[22:57] that involves a marble rolling around.

[22:59] Yeah, it felt like an early Ouija board thing.

[23:02] It was like Ouija roulette,

[23:04] like some kind of off-brand gambling Ouija board.

[23:07] Yes.

[23:07] Now, guys, what about this?

[23:11] A casino that's kind of like seance-themed,

[23:13] and so the roulette board is Ouija-themed.

[23:16] Blackjack is also kind of Ouija board-themed.

[23:19] tarot card blackjack yeah tarot card blackjack and uh maybe there's like one of those chickens

[23:25] that you can play tic-tac-toe against uh and then they sacrifice it afterwards what do you guys

[23:30] think some tea leaves or some bones any of that stuff you got it all over the place yes definitely

[23:37] the slot machine is a bone

[23:40] yeah and instead of money coming out it's bones i know the bit yeah bones i don't need these

[23:48] instead of chips you get bones it's a lot of it's a dog themed casino yeah i've seen i've seen you

[23:55] i think everybody's like there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't have a dog themed

[23:59] casino uh i mean i think he's biased because he likes having a lot of bones uh but he's still the

[24:05] gaming commissioner of nevada so i think he can you don't think he can be caught i think he can

[24:11] be coerced with bones so when it comes time for sharon to ask her question of course she asks

[24:17] will i live a long and happy life at which point they are interrupted by a sharp knock at the door

[24:23] from a creepy character who uh is looking for terry and he wanders off and uh woes who had

[24:31] been talking to the guy scared the guy off is like yeah it's some guy charlie something and

[24:36] then i think he looked at the camera yeah okay so uh sharon goes to sleep she wakes up to hear

[24:46] her friends boning, but not bones

[24:48] the currency, bones

[24:50] the television show.

[24:51] My dog-faced bone casino that is also about

[24:54] fortune-telling. Yeah, boning is also

[24:56] what I call watching bones the television show.

[24:57] Yeah, they're watching bones on their DVD

[25:00] player. I love David Boreanaz.

[25:02] How many seasons should this be?

[25:03] David Boreanaz does look like a fellow

[25:06] who has one too many bones.

[25:07] One too many bones?

[25:10] I don't know. I mean, one too many.

[25:11] Where's his extra bone?

[25:13] I mean, you've got to watch the show to find out.

[25:16] Is that what the show is about?

[25:18] Is that they're trying to figure out where his extra bone is?

[25:21] Elliot, I have a firm belief that to support no spoilers culture,

[25:25] so I don't want to ruin the surprise.

[25:27] I appreciate that.

[25:27] Just watch the show.

[25:28] It's good.

[25:28] It's on, like, all the time.

[25:31] So she hears noises and starts to wander around the house like you do.

[25:36] She goes into a—

[25:38] I mean, to be fair, when I hear a noise in my house,

[25:40] I do wander around trying to find what it is.

[25:42] Not me.

[25:43] I hide under the covers.

[25:46] Because they can't see you if you're under the covers.

[25:48] She finds the noise is coming from the ice maker in the refrigerator.

[25:54] We get a couple of home invader scares where there's a man standing outside

[25:59] or somebody walks by a window real quick.

[26:02] And then checking the front door, they find there's a package on the doorstep

[26:07] and they realize they need to get a new code for their gate.

[26:11] And then Dr. Saperstein, hero dog, goes running off into the night.

[26:16] oh dr saperstein dr said he'll he'll probably turn out okay let's find out he was just making

[26:22] a house call yeah good one uh and as as we've already addressed he'll accept payment in uh

[26:30] the form of a check or bones the check could also be made out for bones but not made out two bones

[26:35] that's a tv show they have enough money yeah based on the amount of times they're on television i

[26:41] would think so dr sapperstein uh of course he gets a his beeper goes off or for dogs it's called a

[26:47] barker okay can we yikes not do this uh so we we get a title card for the the next day so we got

[26:58] to make we're keeping our chronology straight so to do that dan what day is it today i'll look it

[27:05] in the movie what day is it okay i think it's thursday it's august 7th 1969 okay we cut to a

[27:13] scene of abigail and sharon going on a hike uh there abigail is uh nervous about woj's friends

[27:22] and drug use how some like suspicious characters have been coming around i don't know if she says

[27:28] characters she says cats there's a lot of awkward slang in this scene yeah and we should mention

[27:33] So Abigail and Wojtek have been there to take care of the house while Sharon and Roman are away.

[27:41] And Sharon is starting to get increasingly irritated with what they've been doing in the house.

[27:46] And this is a big moment of that when she's like, oh, yeah, he's been inviting all these drug dealer friends.

[27:50] And Sharon's like, wait, why are you inviting drug dealer friends over to my house all the time?

[27:55] There's one part later where she's like, yeah, well, we had this party.

[27:57] And it's like, wait, in my house?

[27:59] She's just very casual about throwing parties in someone else's house.

[28:02] Dan, would you do that if you were house-sitting for a famous person?

[28:05] For a famous person, yes.

[28:07] Oh, okay.

[28:08] But not like a friend.

[28:10] It shows disrespect to my friend.

[28:12] But what if they're a famous person?

[28:14] I wanted to get everyone in here and be like, check out this famous person's house.

[28:16] Yeah, but if Shaq invited you to house-sit for him, you'd invite me wherever.

[28:19] Sure.

[28:20] Because they're not friends.

[28:22] No, we're mortal enemies.

[28:24] But also, Abigail is an heiress, so she probably is just like, I have the right to do whatever I want.

[28:32] All the coffee is mine.

[28:33] And Sharon complains that nobody has been calling her since she showed up.

[28:38] She's been home for a day and she's mad no one's called her.

[28:42] And Abigail is like, we told everyone not to bother you because you're pregnant.

[28:45] We don't want the baby to come out at the wrong time or something like that.

[28:48] That's why she looks at the cover of a script of Rosemary's baby later and she shakes her head in anger.

[28:54] She says, she's like, oh, so Roman, you could be there for Rosemary when she was having her baby.

[29:01] So they're doing one of those classic L.A. hikes

[29:07] where two characters hike around and have a conversation.

[29:09] Yeah, they're in the Hollywood Hills.

[29:10] Yep.

[29:11] And they are passed by a pair of what the movie thinks

[29:16] are very creepy hikers,

[29:17] but seem like very normal-looking people to me.

[29:20] The movie, like, slows down.

[29:24] We get some close-ups on their faces,

[29:26] but they seem kind of normal to me.

[29:27] We'll find out if they are.

[29:30] And then they, of course, come upon the final resting place of Dr. Saperstein.

[29:37] The movie does some clever editing tricks and some bad special effects of maggots crawling around in the poor passed away dog.

[29:47] They're really trying to give you the full hereditary effect with it.

[29:51] Like this little scene was really trying to do that.

[29:54] And it was less successful.

[29:57] Yeah.

[29:58] well i think uh i think critics will be the judge of that natalie

[30:03] it's it was one of those things where they're like we have this prop that is

[30:08] not very good we'll have to dress it up with some digital effects and we'll have the camera like

[30:14] zoom in and out real fast and like shake around yeah it was like an instagram story was the reveal

[30:21] of that dog's death okay so we are introduced to a new character the who's also the new caretaker

[30:29] uh steven parent it's upon his shoulders that falls the task of burying dr saperstein

[30:35] he and he lives in like a he lives in like a trailer on the grounds of their house

[30:40] right so wait so i can't keep all these people straight because they're so interchangeable is

[30:46] he the guy five of them yeah is he the guy with glasses who like talks about backwards masking

[30:51] in that weird scene.

[30:52] Yes, spoiler alert.

[30:53] They wanted him to be Jesse Plemons,

[30:55] and he wasn't Jesse Plemons.

[30:58] No, he certainly was not.

[30:59] By all accounts, he was not.

[31:01] But on those glasses, and I was like, well.

[31:04] I should check the cast list.

[31:06] Maybe it was Jesse Plemons.

[31:07] Yeah, we'll have to do a DNA test on this one.

[31:10] Get me samples from both of them.

[31:12] Unless they're the same person,

[31:15] in which case I'll only need one sample.

[31:16] So this is the scene where it all seems to come out.

[31:19] check that one sample against itself guess it's the same seems right yeah we've got a

[31:25] plemons everybody you know what they say when you got plemons make lemonade and we did

[31:29] uh so this all comes out you know uh the emotion of the emotions hit her like a ton of bricks

[31:42] she is pissed off uh so she stomps away she yells at her friend she picks up a uh a teddy bear of a

[31:49] dog and has a very emotional moment with it well she did just lose her dog she's like i guess you're

[31:55] dr saperstein now there's a lot of creaky doors uh she walks around the house a little bit she

[32:02] goes into roman's study which we know is roman study because there's boxes that says roman stuff

[32:07] on it um and then we find this spooky old uh stereo like a reel-to-reel stereo machine of

[32:15] course she starts listening to that stuff and then we get some creepy music coming out of there

[32:20] and there's a whole bunch of pretty young girl yeah is this actual i think this is actual i

[32:26] think that's actually he he had a song that was all about like love is submission and you've got

[32:31] to submit to me so i think that might be the real so i don't i don't think they were worried about

[32:34] like manson suing them for misuse of the song i think they probably used either the real it might

[32:41] have been the real audio but i doubt it they probably just recorded i think i i actually

[32:44] think i read a review of this that took it to task in part for using the real song they're like

[32:49] come on movie yeah you have don't do this for charles manson yeah josh groban could have could

[32:55] have just cut together something real quick yeah pretty girl with his ridiculously operatic voice

[33:01] absolutely or they could have gotten randy newman to do it or something like that but great it is

[33:06] he is the voice of la you know maybe i was thinking the other day about how randy newman

[33:12] singing is maybe the sloppiest singing of a of a professional recording artist like i don't know

[33:17] what it is maybe that's just the way he talks but it always sounds like he's he's not sure what word

[33:21] is coming out of his mouth until it's done right it feels spontaneous it feels like he's making up

[33:26] the songs on the spot i think that's part of it it's dangerous it's like when the television show

[33:31] rock changed to only doing live shows you know that was you never know what's gonna happen

[33:35] they were on a tightrope or as i should say a tight rock on that one should you say i guess

[33:41] not it wasn't really make sense four out of five dentists think i shouldn't have said it and the

[33:46] fifth dentist wasn't listening so she she starts listening to the music uh there's a whole bunch of

[33:53] envelopes that are addressed to terry from charlie uh that are similar to the envelope that had been

[33:59] left on their porch earlier it is written in the most like murderer font possible it might as well

[34:06] say kill you it is the letters on it it is scary in the way that like heavy metal bands wish their

[34:12] logo was that scary and of course the the song like devolves into some kind of like

[34:18] haunted creepy ghost sounds yep yeah some kind of ominous chanting yeah okay so cut to our friends

[34:27] are hanging out by the pool sharon's reading a book about reincarnation yep they have a nice

[34:33] little close-up on that book title and she's like scratching her chin nodding her head yeah they

[34:38] should have put a book in her head that was so you're going to die what to expect when you're

[34:43] expecting to be killed by the manson family and you can still have a pregnant woman on the cover

[34:48] it works perfectly dan so boy too real i want to make it clear again we're not trying we we don't

[34:55] want to make fun of the real people who are trying to be killed this movie is just terrible it's a

[35:00] terrible thing that real people lost their lives in it in particularly horrible and senseless way

[35:04] and we are taking the movie to task for creating what i thought at first was supposed to be a

[35:09] dramatization of the real events but as we'll learn is the craziest misuse of a real life tragedy

[35:15] which ultimately i guess seems to put the blame on the victims but we'll get to that yeah sort of

[35:21] yeah well based on this conversation maybe uh because she has a conversation with her friend

[35:26] jay sebring who is wearing a swimsuit that i would very much like to own but we'll get to that later

[35:32] it is it's very stewart wellington style and that it covers almost nothing uh-huh and it's uh he

[35:38] manages to pull off like a super small white swimsuit that i'm like there's no way i could do

[35:42] that but we'll get this movie it's got a lot of both of the male leads just wearing tiny either

[35:48] swimsuits or underpants to show off how they all have like 14 packs and i i can't believe that

[35:54] anyone in the 60s was that ridiculously chiseled like back then bodybuilding had not developed what

[35:59] it is today Dan you're kind of an amateur bodybuilder what do you think am I wrong on that

[36:03] I would call myself the most amateur bodybuilder okay I mean you have a body you built it I there

[36:12] was a time at which I went to the gym and lifted weights and that time is long ago

[36:15] cool so they uh so they have a conversation they talk about fate and destiny jay suggests that

[36:26] sometimes bad things just happen sharon asks do you think we're just slaves to our own destiny

[36:32] and jay explains that maybe maybe they can rewrite their own scripts

[36:38] okay these are real things that they're saying yeah i mean this is the way that i talk to my

[36:46] friends around a pool yeah natalie is this just the way that like show people talk oh totally

[36:53] no absolutely not i mean when you're like in college when you're in a dorm room in college

[36:58] and you've just done like a doll's house and scene study then maybe you go home and do that

[37:03] But yeah, the level of conversation about destiny.

[37:08] Are we slaves to our own destiny?

[37:10] Kelsey.

[37:10] Kelsey Peters.

[37:13] Now, the thing is, do you think Kelsey Peters on the television show Younger is a slave

[37:18] to her own destiny?

[37:19] Is she just being set up for a fall?

[37:21] I think she is.

[37:21] I think she's Fortune's fool.

[37:22] Yeah.

[37:22] Kind of is.

[37:24] I mean, they do address the idea that oftentimes when a woman is promoted to CEO, it's after

[37:28] a man's failures and they're simply being set up to fail.

[37:31] But, well, that's something that is explored in depth in the television show Younger.

[37:35] But when does Younger get around to talking about The Perfect Storm?

[37:38] I mean, I feel like The Perfect Storm would be the type of book that would be pushed by empirical publishing rather than millennial.

[37:46] So I'm not as interested.

[37:47] And millennial is really pushing, like, be a bitch to get a hat.

[37:52] That's exactly the kind of book.

[37:54] I mean, that book would sell a billion copies.

[37:56] Oh, for sure.

[37:57] They're smart.

[37:57] Young women are smart.

[37:59] That's why I'm here, Elliot.

[38:01] I'm here to take over the Flophouse.

[38:03] No, oh, I mean, free us from our curse?

[38:05] Why are you standing in Natalie's way, Elliot,

[38:07] as you have been for the last decade?

[38:09] I would love nothing more than to get out of Natalie's way

[38:12] and do something else with my time

[38:14] than watch The Haunting of Sharon Tate.

[38:15] Yeah, I'm gladly standing here with the keys to the Flophouse

[38:19] ready to surrender them.

[38:20] I've been looking for another person to come

[38:22] and be the defender of the grail

[38:24] as I've been stuck here for a thousand years.

[38:26] I would love that.

[38:28] Well, maybe if you presented Christ's cup in a way that was a little more appealing.

[38:34] I guess, than just as one of many cups on a table.

[38:40] Uh-huh, and next to a bunch of awesome gold ones.

[38:43] I mean, come on, get those out of there.

[38:44] It sort of presented like, I don't know if they do this anymore in the Wheel of Fortune,

[38:49] but you remember in the old days on Wheel of Fortune where they would just cut to a room full of stuff,

[38:53] and they'd be like, you can get this thing or that thing.

[38:54] Yeah, they don't do that anymore.

[38:56] When you had to spend your money on Wheel of Fortune on prizes?

[38:58] Yeah, and it was like a statue of a dog or something.

[39:01] And you're like, I don't want that.

[39:02] But I mean, it's like a hand-carved statue of a dog.

[39:09] And where else could...

[39:10] You can't buy that with money.

[39:11] Just give me the cash, man.

[39:12] They could have used that for this movie.

[39:14] That would have been a better prop.

[39:16] If only they had put a statue of a dog

[39:18] instead of subjecting our friend Dr. Seabird...

[39:22] No, Dr. Saperstein to the machinations of monsters.

[39:26] So, we get some more bullshit.

[39:27] Okay.

[39:29] So, it's nighttime.

[39:31] We get a, it's nighttime.

[39:33] We get a home invasion.

[39:35] There's a haunted stereo that, you know, Sharon is awoken by this home invasion.

[39:41] We see creepy, like, creepy people sneaking up to the window and waving.

[39:46] We see a creepy dude with a gun.

[39:48] Sharon investigates the creepy music that seems to be playing on its own.

[39:54] Right before she turns it off,

[39:55] she looks to the right,

[39:56] and there in the shadows is Charles Manson,

[39:59] and then a woman sneaks up behind her with a knife.

[40:01] They're all captured and taken to the living room,

[40:05] and the home invaders then start murdering them.

[40:09] It is kind of, it's shot kind of perfunctory.

[40:13] It's pretty, like, I hate to describe it as kind of goofy,

[40:17] but it's kind of goofy.

[40:18] There's, like, a lot of, like,

[40:20] chomping down on blood capsules,

[40:21] spitting out blood all over them.

[40:23] Oh, really?

[40:23] I found it like, maybe it's just because I knew it's based on real events that I found

[40:28] it like prolonged and grisly.

[40:30] Oh, yeah, that's fair.

[40:31] They stab Abigail a lot.

[40:33] Like it's really prolonged and like unnecessarily like gruesome.

[40:38] But I think you're right, Dan.

[40:39] It's mainly because we know something like this happens to people, you know?

[40:42] Yeah, it's not like dumb fake kids in the woods.

[40:46] Yeah, that's fair.

[40:47] They deserve to die.

[40:48] Oh, wow.

[40:51] Dan, that's the most extreme version of get off my lawn I can imagine.

[40:55] I mean, those kids are slaves to their destiny.

[40:57] And their destiny, as Dan puts it, is to die, I guess.

[41:00] I mean, all of our destinies is to die, to be honest.

[41:02] It's all going to happen to all of us at different times.

[41:05] Not if this ritual works out, Elliot.

[41:07] But for sure.

[41:08] You're right.

[41:09] Hand me that lizard.

[41:11] I'll drain all the blood into this goblet.

[41:13] And then we'll see if we can get going with the ritual.

[41:15] Elliot, you're not allowed to drain a lizard on the podcast.

[41:18] Oh, boy.

[41:20] But I just wanted to say, though, at this point, so Sharon Tate and her friends have been killed, and there's quite a lot of movie left, and you're like, wait, hold on, what's going on?

[41:29] Yep, I was like, man, that's a lot of time for bloops.

[41:34] That'd be amazing if there's just 40 minutes of bloopers afterwards.

[41:39] And depending on how you view the rest of the events of the movie, it could be considered bloops.

[41:44] Because it turns out, what actually was the events of that night?

[41:48] part of the thing that i found made this sequence kind of difficult to watch is that like the things

[41:54] that the things that the actors are saying feels like stuff that was taken from true accounts of

[41:59] the actual event which makes it kind of harder to watch for me than like all the other scenes where

[42:06] people are like reading the dumbest lines i've ever heard in a movie right like when sharon starts

[42:13] calling for her mother like those were her last words it's horrible yeah it's and it feels it

[42:19] feels there's something about like having seen a couple of biopics that also depict true crime

[42:25] stuff it's so weird to me when a filmmaker puts so much effort into accurately representing the

[42:31] the moments of violence but don't care about the other stuff and it like it feels so it just

[42:37] cheapens the whole process like watching the lords of chaos black metal uh biopic about the

[42:44] stuff in the 90s in norway and like it feels like they're recreating the exact number of times one

[42:51] dude stabs his friend but like everything else feels like lazy made up whole cloth you know

[42:57] like bohemian rhapsody um uh so sharon who got stabbed in bohemian rhapsody uh i don't want to

[43:04] spoiled for you because i know you haven't seen it but um i actually here's what i saw

[43:07] i watched the very ending and then i also saw someone i saw someone was watching it on a plane

[43:14] and i just kept looking over and i was like this is the goofiest looking movie like i don't know

[43:19] why it was necessary for remy malik to have to literally have a horse's full set of teeth put

[43:25] in his mouth in order to play the role his head is too small his face is too small for those teeth

[43:30] His face couldn't handle it.

[43:32] I would not have given him the role just based on face size.

[43:34] I'm sorry, guys.

[43:36] Best actor winner, Rami Malek.

[43:39] I do love that his little clip that they used for his best actor performance is him lip-syncing to a song.

[43:49] Yeah, but doing a great job of it.

[43:51] I will say he deserves an award, I guess, for acting with what must have been the most difficult facial prosthetic since Planet of the Apes, I guess.

[43:59] It must be really hard to act when there's basically an entire chalkboard in your mouth

[44:06] at the time while you're doing it, but he was able to do it.

[44:09] To be fair, his performance is not what's wrong with that movie.

[44:11] He does a good job.

[44:12] Yeah, he does a good job in a piece of trash.

[44:15] Rami Malek, if you're listening to this, it's cool, buddy.

[44:18] Rami, I think it's cute that your face is small.

[44:20] And I'm glad we could bring up another movie where the director was, like Roman Polanski,

[44:26] just a cool dude.

[44:27] Just a real good guy.

[44:29] Just a real awesome guy

[44:32] Living a sterling stainless life

[44:34] And not at all a destroyer of other people's lives

[44:36] Nope

[44:36] So after watching this horrible sequence

[44:38] Sharon wakes up

[44:40] It was just a dream

[44:42] Oh boy

[44:44] Okay now we have a new

[44:45] We have a new title card

[44:48] It is Friday

[44:49] It is the next day

[44:50] Keeping us on track

[44:52] This is where we have a little scene in the breakfast table

[44:55] What is it

[44:56] Voj

[44:57] Voj

[44:58] Whatever

[44:59] Voychek, yep, is wearing a very cool kimono

[45:02] Sharon then decides to go get a snack from the fridge

[45:06] Uh-oh, there's a disgusting, rotting animal in the refrigerator

[45:10] Uh-oh, Zool's in there

[45:12] She keeps insisting there's a dead animal

[45:15] Of course, there's no dead animal

[45:17] She's just imagining things

[45:19] Her friends are being bad

[45:20] I mean, to be fair, she's right

[45:21] If there's any meat in the fridge

[45:23] There's a dead animal in there

[45:24] Maybe there's some ham

[45:25] Maybe there's some leftover chicken

[45:27] She's right

[45:27] it's not the dead animal she was scared of but all unless we're vegetarians all of our fridges

[45:33] have dead animals in them so like let's just let's just admit that she's right and be okay

[45:37] with that you know okay i guess uh i guess i find for you elliot on all counts yeah case dismissed

[45:44] justice bud justice air buds says that i'm right on this case wow he's air wait air bud is the

[45:51] judge oh wait i guess yeah justice is the name of a judge not like not like the the justice

[45:56] is the name of a fish justice is also the name of the fish natalie says with the intensity of

[46:02] somebody who loves serenity okay so her friends are being mean to her they're trying to calm her

[46:10] down they keep trying to be like you're just imagining things or he's he's actually a great

[46:14] guy he just cares for you and she does not she's not hearing it she well she is hearing it that's

[46:21] what's making her so mad that's true so she she's not she tries to get out of there uh she's trying

[46:26] to get to the bottom of her visions she goes and enlists the aid of steven the uh groundskeeper

[46:34] steven parent to uh help her do something with the like figure out what's wrong with the uh the

[46:40] stereo uh they listen to the song again they talk about how uh she while he's fiddling with the

[46:48] stereo probably to make it from just starting up and playing whenever things are supposed to be

[46:52] scary uh she she he's like oh here's the thing this stereo is set to ominous yep you gotta set

[46:59] it to normal play uh-huh yeah i every time i go visit my parents i have to go make that adjustment

[47:04] on their stereo so sharon literally says gadget guy he's a real gadget yeah she she says you're

[47:12] really into gadgets and then says you could be a world famous inventor someday then he talks about

[47:18] how he hasn't seen his parents in a while and she and they agree that he should probably go say

[47:23] goodbye to them or something it's this really weird moment where you're like i don't know he's

[47:27] he's uh it's it's a weird there's they're trying to build a lot into this character and i guess

[47:31] it's like another example the movie's saying like oh what potential lost that this guy was murdered

[47:36] he could have been a great inventor someday maybe who knows what his destiny was and then he becomes

[47:41] like a real like anti-consumerism like hardcore like uh like like avant-garde guy like out of

[47:49] nowhere well this is like like he's like the only guy that stood out for me but it was because the

[47:55] actor was playing like such a sweaty weirdo yeah he's like dennis weaver in touch of evil like

[48:01] that's the kind of character he's playing here just the weird hotel owner who's like good like

[48:06] running around being a creep i do like i do like the idea that she she has this conversation this

[48:11] guy seems like a sweet guy kind of down to earth good with his hands and then he starts like like

[48:17] always starts freaking out about like subliminal messaging and stuff because because there's

[48:22] backwards masking in this charles manson song you know if you run the tape backwards you hear

[48:26] a message from him i forget what it is do you remember what's the phrase most associated with

[48:32] charles manson dance okay because that's what it is i'd block this movie out of my mind it's

[48:37] something some beatles song i guess they're saying here there and everywhere over and over again in

[48:41] the back yeah wild honey pie but um yeah i think he's saying imagine but that was a solo album and

[48:47] it came out much later he talks about how uh sometimes people use backward masking to disguise

[48:52] satanic stuff or satanic messages and hillary duff does this great line reading where she goes

[48:58] satanic that's great but also at this point he like starts pacing around and the movie starts

[49:06] like cutting like crazy and he's like he's like yeah advertisers use this all the time and like

[49:10] he's like laying out to make you make you buy things to be zombies to buy things you don't

[49:14] need or want and it's i was like oh i finally understand what it's like when a woman goes on

[49:19] a first date this is what it's like oh you're real you're you're a real gadget guy you could

[49:27] be an inventor let me continue to compliment you yeah yeah thanks anyway government's lying to you

[49:32] and i'm a crazy person but also i feel like this was like i feel like this is somewhat accurate to

[49:37] the period there was like a subliminal message like scare but at the same time from our perspective

[49:43] in 2019 like when we know how much bullshit like subliminal messaging is it was just kind of like

[49:49] oh whatever this guy's nuts and i think the subliminal message i guess there was around

[49:55] and then people wondered about it.

[49:56] But I feel like the big scare came years later.

[49:58] With, like, heavy metal agents and stuff?

[50:01] Yeah, with, like, Better By You, Better Than Me and stuff like that,

[50:05] where they were like, oh, there's messages in these songs

[50:07] telling people to kill themselves, which was all crazy.

[50:09] But, like, maybe they were into it back then, too,

[50:13] because there was all that Revolution No. 9 backwards masking talk

[50:16] and things like that.

[50:17] I don't know.

[50:18] Dan, maybe you're right.

[50:18] You know what?

[50:19] Strike what I said.

[50:20] Justice Air Bud, strike what I said from the record.

[50:23] So that's when the phone rings, interrupting his rant.

[50:27] And the phone is for Sharon, but we're in this guy's weird trailer.

[50:32] She puts the phone to her ear.

[50:35] We just see her side of the conversation where she is very upset.

[50:38] She explains that it was a threat from Charlie saying they're all going to die.

[50:44] Okay, cut until nighttime where she's in her bedroom packing.

[50:50] Well, she spends some time remembering actual footage of the real wedding of Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate, which is another weird choice.

[50:58] It's a very strange choice.

[51:00] Yeah, and it's, so it does feel a little strange at this point that she just got a threat and then it seems like she waited hours to pack up.

[51:08] Well, she had to watch the footage of her wedding.

[51:12] Yeah.

[51:14] We have a, look like me, she said.

[51:17] I mean, it's less poignant than the scene in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation where Clark Griswold watches his old home movies in the attic.

[51:26] Like that's the level of emotion we're working with in the movie right now.

[51:30] So there's a moment while she's packing up that she thinks she sees Charles Manson in the mirror.

[51:36] That is not the case.

[51:37] He's not actually there.

[51:39] The phone rings and it is not a monster.

[51:43] Well, no, it is a monster.

[51:44] It's Roman Polanski.

[51:47] And once again, we get a one-sided conversation with her talking.

[51:51] I mean, Hilary Duff has given it her everything.

[51:54] Similar to the way that Kelsey Peters kind of gives it her everything when trying to promote Millennial.

[51:59] And she'll go to kind of any, like she'll do anything she can to like help promote her brand.

[52:03] You're listening to The Young House, the internet's premier younger podcast hosted by Stuart Wellington and nobody else.

[52:11] A decidedly older person.

[52:12] I just sit here and watch.

[52:15] I'm, like, technically part of it, but I, like, really just watch Stuart talk about Younger.

[52:19] We haven't even done the entire segment that's just devoted to each episode's necklace that Miriam Shore wears.

[52:27] Miriam Shore wears.

[52:27] Yeah, Diana Trout.

[52:28] What an actress.

[52:29] She's great.

[52:30] Okay.

[52:31] Were you about to say she isn't a treasured man?

[52:33] Because we would start fighting.

[52:35] I'm a fan of Younger.

[52:36] I have less to say about her than you, apparently.

[52:38] Okay.

[52:39] so it seems uh it seems like roman doesn't believe her that her that her friends are in on a

[52:46] conspiracy against her her friends start banging on the door she goes and hides in the bathroom

[52:52] and starts filling up the tub or sink and all of a sudden the tub tub starts filling with no no it's

[52:58] one of those huge ground level sinks that hollywood homes have these sinks are so big you could take

[53:04] a bath in them uh-huh wow uh is that is that what the realtor said to get you to purchase your

[53:09] recent home home purchase yes they i was like is there a bathtub in here they said no but there

[53:14] is this huge ground level sink that's so big that you could take a bath in it that's like oh okay i

[53:19] guess would you call it a bathtub yeah i guess you could call it that if you were ignorant of

[53:23] architecture okay i'm sorry i didn't understand that i feel so stupid now i better buy this house

[53:28] so the real estate agent thinks i'm cool and that's how it happened okay oh wow he pressured

[53:33] He ended up doing it just so you'd think he was cool

[53:35] Or no, that he would think you were cool

[53:37] It was a she

[53:39] Thank you

[53:41] And that's the answer to that riddle

[53:42] The real estate agent was a woman

[53:44] I can't sell this house, this house is my son

[53:47] How is it possible?

[53:48] Wait, you explained the part of it that I understood

[53:54] There's a question that I still have about this riddle

[53:58] No, no

[53:59] Anyway, the other joke is

[54:01] Doctor, I can't sell myself a home.

[54:04] I am the real estate agent.

[54:05] What other memes can we talk about?

[54:09] What other memes are there on Twitter right now?

[54:10] Dan, name this movie, Wrong Answers Only.

[54:13] Oh, no.

[54:14] We can do, you know, I've eaten the plums that are in the icebox thing.

[54:18] Oh, yeah, there's that too.

[54:20] So the sink tub fills with blood.

[54:26] The phone, it is no longer Roman speaking with her.

[54:30] It is that subliminal message from the end of the tape.

[54:32] And then she wakes up.

[54:35] She was sleeping in Stephen's bed in his room.

[54:40] I guess he explains that she had just recently,

[54:43] like, after hearing that phone call,

[54:45] she took a lie down.

[54:47] Seems like an odd choice, but whatever.

[54:49] Then she feels some pain in her abdomen,

[54:56] and they're like, wait, is the baby coming?

[54:59] And at this point, I'm like, whoa, this is a crazy choice.

[55:02] And then they realize that the phone line has been cut.

[55:07] Stephen goes to get help.

[55:09] But as he's very slowly pulling out of the driveway, this is...

[55:15] Safety always. Safety Stephen, they call him.

[55:17] This takes forever.

[55:18] The Manson family pulls up in their car, blocking his exit.

[55:23] Sharon gets into the car, and they try to back away and run.

[55:28] The car gets in an accident, and they jump out of the car and go running down the hill.

[55:32] They manage to sneak back into the house.

[55:35] They try and alert their friends that they're being attacked.

[55:39] They start to secure the home.

[55:41] Meanwhile, the women who are part of the Manson family are, like, walking along the lawn,

[55:47] saying, like, little pigs, little pigs, let us in.

[55:51] We'll huff and we'll puff and we'll blow your house in.

[55:55] So they're just rhyming in with in.

[55:58] And that's also not the rhyme.

[56:01] So are you saying that's the biggest crime

[56:05] they commit over the course of the movie?

[56:06] Yeah, I would say so.

[56:08] Fuck you, Patricia Krenwinkel.

[56:09] That's not how it goes.

[56:11] It really feels much like Randy Newman.

[56:14] They started the song not knowing how it would end.

[56:16] And they're like, oh yeah, he mentions a chinny chin chin.

[56:18] Let's not say that.

[56:19] That's not scary.

[56:20] We'll just rhyme in with him.

[56:22] That's what we'll do.

[56:22] And then little pig.

[56:25] Yeah, they're saying it in the strangest way.

[56:27] And this is the part where it becomes clear.

[56:30] I mean, it's become clear way earlier than this,

[56:32] but this is the most egregious thing that they have just turned.

[56:36] Is this the most egregious thing?

[56:37] Well, no.

[56:37] Let me finish my sentence.

[56:39] The most egregious example of them just turning this tragedy

[56:42] into a rote home invasion thriller.

[56:45] Because they might as well be the strangers at this point.

[56:48] Except they don't have masks.

[56:50] But I feel like there's probably a moment while making the movie

[56:53] where they're like, wouldn't it be scarier if they wore masks?

[56:57] And they're like, uh, well, that didn't actually happen.

[56:59] Okay.

[57:00] Well, what if they were like bug people and they could spit acid at everybody?

[57:05] Again, not what happens, not reality.

[57:08] But I would say, Dan, that's the second most egregious thing to me.

[57:11] And I'll tell you what the most egregious thing is when we get to it after this.

[57:15] Hey, folks, are you worried about home security?

[57:17] I know I am as a new homeowner who just watched this Charles Manson movie.

[57:21] Not a good movie.

[57:22] and yet every night I worry that some crazy person is going to wander into my backyard.

[57:26] So, you know, do what I do.

[57:28] Check all the locks on your doors 15 times every night.

[57:32] This is Elliot Kalin for Paranoia.

[57:34] Dan, back to you.

[57:35] Okay, I'm glad that you identified because I was going to ask you what the ad was for.

[57:39] Oh, yeah, yeah, for being paranoid and worried that at any moment a crazy person will walk in

[57:44] and they'll just be, like, standing at the foot of your bed looking at you.

[57:48] That's the scariest thing.

[57:49] That sounds pretty scary.

[57:52] Uh, I mean, but sometimes, what if you're just lonely and you'd like somebody to talk to?

[57:56] This is me, doing my ad for loneliness cured by having strangers walk into your home.

[58:00] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[58:04] Has this ever happened to you?

[58:06] Boy, am I lonely.

[58:06] I wish a stranger would walk in and be my friend.

[58:08] Well, guess what?

[58:09] You're in luck.

[58:10] Just leave your doors unlocked.

[58:11] Uh, yeah, leave a trail of pennies, Reese's Pieces, whatever, leading you to your home.

[58:21] Hopefully a dog, an alien, maybe a crazy person.

[58:24] Yep.

[58:25] Hi, I'm Natalie Walker for regret.

[58:28] I thought it would be cool to be a guest on a podcast I like.

[58:31] I was wrong.

[58:32] Now I'm worried for my safety.

[58:34] Natalie Walker for regret.

[58:36] That was a very good impression of me, Elliot.

[58:39] Oh, no problem.

[58:40] You should slap that up on Twitter.

[58:43] Yeah, Elliot, you should do the ADR for any future projects I do.

[58:46] Well, I saw the videos of you doing different ladies' parts in movies,

[58:51] And I was like, she's a master of voices.

[58:53] She can do any voice.

[58:54] So why couldn't she sound just like me?

[58:56] So when I do my impression of her, I'll just do my voice.

[58:58] So they're securing the home.

[59:02] And uh-oh, the nursery window has been left open.

[59:06] I don't know if that's symbolism, Dan.

[59:10] Probably just means that someone could get in through the nursery window if they wanted to.

[59:15] Okay.

[59:17] But that when you invite a baby into your life, it opens you up.

[59:21] Exactly.

[59:22] When you have a child, it makes you vulnerable.

[59:24] Wow.

[59:26] Thanks, Elliot.

[59:27] Yeah, no, you and I are exactly on the same page.

[59:29] That's why I can do such an amazing impression.

[59:31] At all times.

[59:32] So their efforts are in vain.

[59:35] The Manson family gets in.

[59:37] They, like, you know, wrangle them into the living room.

[59:40] There are moments where we see flashbacks to her previous dream.

[59:46] But there's some slight differences in this whole situation, including Abigail has hidden among the rafters.

[59:52] This was a new part of the home that I didn't know about.

[59:55] Just the exposed rafter beams above the living room.

[1:00:01] Yeah, she and Sharon, you know, having having kind of experienced this whole thing through her dream, decides to write her own script, if you will.

[1:00:10] And she interrupts the killer, I guess his name is Tex, from interrupts him from killing Jay.

[1:00:17] She offers to sacrifice herself.

[1:00:19] And then she whips out a knife that she has set aside and stabs Tex in the stomach.

[1:00:25] They kind of scramble.

[1:00:26] There's some jumping and running.

[1:00:28] They manage to get free.

[1:00:29] She also does like a line to him that's like, you're not the fucking devil.

[1:00:34] Yeah.

[1:00:35] Before she does it, I'm like, you wanted this to be like a Joss Whedon, like girl power.

[1:00:40] because Tex keeps saying I'm the devil

[1:00:42] and I'm here to do the devil's business

[1:00:43] which is what he said

[1:00:46] but I don't think that Sharon Tate said

[1:00:48] you not the fucking devil

[1:00:50] well no because this movie at this point

[1:00:52] this movie at this point pulls an

[1:00:54] inglorious bastards and rewrites history

[1:00:56] to make them kill

[1:00:58] the bad guys they become like such

[1:01:00] badass fighters

[1:01:02] and they're really like taking the fight to the Manson

[1:01:04] family and to the point where

[1:01:06] they start killing them off

[1:01:08] and there's a part where Wodge drowns a woman in a bathtub

[1:01:11] and I was like, you had her defeated.

[1:01:14] Like, now I feel bad for the home invaders.

[1:01:16] Like, you're taking lethal force

[1:01:19] when you don't really need to right now.

[1:01:21] But they just become so amazingly good

[1:01:23] at defending themselves.

[1:01:23] Not a fan of that scene.

[1:01:25] If I want to watch a much larger man

[1:01:28] beat up a woman in a bathroom,

[1:01:29] I'm going to watch Terminator 3, Rise of the Machines.

[1:01:32] Because at least they're both Terminators, you know.

[1:01:37] yeah yeah of course it's an even fight yeah sure does harrison ford drown michelle pfeiffer in the

[1:01:43] bathtub and what lies beneath i sort of does she doesn't die oh man yeah let's not spoil what lies

[1:01:51] beneath the movie that was spoiled by the trailer for the movie yeah uh so i saw that movie when i

[1:01:56] was living in germany where it's known as schatten der wahrheit uh and it was really fun to watch in

[1:02:02] german you know because i can only understand about half of the words they said you were like

[1:02:07] i'm watching it you're like harrison ford speaking german it's like some alternate universe where

[1:02:11] indiana jones was a nazi uh-huh yep that's exactly how i felt um they would call him bavaria jones

[1:02:18] they manage to get free they get to uh steven's trailer where he tries to get his ham radio

[1:02:26] working and they're calling for help tex is chasing after them uh vojcek kills the woman

[1:02:32] in the bathroom tex is trying to track them and then they turn the tables on him surprise him and

[1:02:38] murder him or not i guess kill him they uh i think i think a court would rule it self-defense

[1:02:44] probably they leave they're like there's this see a sequence of them like you know our our five

[1:02:51] buddies as they're called uh walking walking up the driveway they'll be forever known as history

[1:02:56] In history as the five buddies.

[1:02:58] Slow motion, you know, this is this like they've managed to get through hell, you know, that kind of a sequence.

[1:03:05] When they get to the entrance to the home and Sharon turns around and now we're back at the opening of the movie.

[1:03:16] The home is a crime scene, but the bodies and the bodies that are lying out are the bodies of her friends.

[1:03:22] She pulls the cover off of one of the bodies and it has her own face.

[1:03:27] I also love that the body under the sheet is so obviously her.

[1:03:33] You can see her huge bump underneath and she still has to go over to it and pull it down.

[1:03:39] And it's like a jump scare for her.

[1:03:41] Maybe somebody's holding a beach ball.

[1:03:45] Is this Homer Simpson's body?

[1:03:48] I have to check.

[1:03:51] So she sees her own body and then and then she walks out to where her friends are like happily waiting for her.

[1:03:59] There's a lot of like slow motion shots of the police trying to keep paparazzos at bay.

[1:04:04] It is hilariously low budget.

[1:04:06] There's like four guys in suits with old timey cameras and they are barely trying to get around the one extra playing a police officer who is barely trying to stop them.

[1:04:15] It's so low energy and like tiny.

[1:04:17] I thought I thought that moment was really funny.

[1:04:20] So she, and she walks out where her friends are all hanging out.

[1:04:23] It has the like emotional intensity of one of those like Tumblr posts where somebody,

[1:04:28] anytime a celebrity dies and they write some kind of like fan fiction about that celebrity

[1:04:33] getting to heaven with a bunch of other dead celebrities.

[1:04:35] Oh yeah.

[1:04:36] And like a cartoon.

[1:04:37] Yeah.

[1:04:38] Yeah.

[1:04:38] They all welcome Sharon Tate like it's the end of Lost or something.

[1:04:41] Yeah.

[1:04:41] Like lined up and smiling.

[1:04:43] But not as emotional as the end of Lost, which is soul crushing.

[1:04:47] How does it compare to what you imagine the eventual series finale of Younger will be like?

[1:04:52] Oh, man.

[1:04:54] Well, at that point, they have just managed to close the portal to the neither realm.

[1:04:59] Quan Chi has been defeated.

[1:05:01] So Younger takes a real turn.

[1:05:05] Yeah, it melds with the MK universe.

[1:05:08] And they shouldn't have published that book by Shao Kahn.

[1:05:13] So does Goro work at the publishing house?

[1:05:15] No, Goro died, Elliot.

[1:05:16] I have no idea what's happening.

[1:05:17] Shifting alignments.

[1:05:21] Now Natalie and I are in sync.

[1:05:23] Okay, we'll talk about this.

[1:05:24] We'll finish this later on the younger cast.

[1:05:26] Now I imagine Scorpion at a book release party,

[1:05:29] and he sees someone he knows across the room,

[1:05:31] and he goes, get over here, and then gives him a hearty hug.

[1:05:34] Yep, that's great.

[1:05:36] He leaves the chain dagger at home, though.

[1:05:40] He does not take that with him.

[1:05:41] No, that would be a weird thing to bring to a book release party.

[1:05:46] Stuart has just put his hand on my shoulder like he's proud of me for finally knowing what you're talking about.

[1:05:51] So then we cut to that interview that we had previously seen and Sharon says something like, I guess I live in a fairytale world or something and probably always will and then end of movie.

[1:06:05] So at the end, are they ghosts or are they split into an alternate dimension where things turned out better?

[1:06:10] I've got to assume they're ghosts.

[1:06:12] I think they're ghosts.

[1:06:13] The movie says haunting of Sharon Tate.

[1:06:15] And this is what I found most egregious about it was that the movie seemed to be saying to me, oh, it was possible for them to defend themselves and not be killed, but they failed at it.

[1:06:26] Or like, well, if they had had their druthers, she would have planned ahead for this kind of thing.

[1:06:31] And I found that really disgusting.

[1:06:33] The idea that, like, by implication, they're like, oh, yeah, well, there's an alternate universe where they turn the tables and lived.

[1:06:41] But I guess the ones in our reality couldn't pull it off.

[1:06:44] Like they didn't take the story into their own hands enough.

[1:06:47] Yes.

[1:06:48] And it's a real, it's one of those things,

[1:06:50] I don't think the filmmakers mean it this way,

[1:06:52] but it dovetails really well into the viewpoint that says,

[1:06:56] well, if you don't have a gun in your house,

[1:06:57] you're just asking for someone to break in and kill you.

[1:07:00] Because you're not ready.

[1:07:01] You're not living at code red.

[1:07:03] You're living at code white.

[1:07:04] You know, that kind of stuff, which I find disgusting.

[1:07:07] Not to get political, guys.

[1:07:08] Look, I know this is all about funzos.

[1:07:10] But there's also there's also an element of like when she walks up to see her friends, they're happy.

[1:07:18] And that like that also plays into the idea of like, oh, they're in a better place.

[1:07:23] And you're like, well, I think you're minimizing the fucking bullshit that like happened, like you're minimizing the horrors that were perpetrated on them.

[1:07:31] Yeah.

[1:07:31] All right.

[1:07:32] Final judgments.

[1:07:33] Was this a good, bad movie, bad, bad movie or movie kind of like I'm going to say I am perfectly happy watching the most.

[1:07:40] horrific violence if it's

[1:07:43] a make-em-up.

[1:07:44] But as soon as it becomes a real-life

[1:07:46] thing, I get tremendously

[1:07:48] soft-hearted. And so

[1:07:50] watching this was possibly

[1:07:52] my least favorite movie we've ever watched.

[1:07:55] So, bad, bad.

[1:07:56] Wow. Milestone.

[1:07:58] Yeah, this is a bad, bad movie.

[1:08:00] It's offensive, and

[1:08:02] it is disrespectful.

[1:08:03] But at least it's also

[1:08:06] incredibly poorly made.

[1:08:09] real oscar wilde i learned during this recording that hillary duff shot all her scenes in two days

[1:08:15] and i'm like oh that makes perfect sense this feels like a movie that was shot in a couple

[1:08:19] days around a house yeah but uh i'm with you guys bad bad okay natalie we've teed you up to be the

[1:08:24] big change vote you're the one who's gonna turn us around i'm not gonna do it this is a terrible

[1:08:30] movie i did not enjoy watching it it was tough it was tough my favorite serenity had already been

[1:08:36] taken sure oh it thus begins the walker jaffee feud i know no well i i told jenny i was like

[1:08:44] if it had to be someone other than me then i'm glad it was you because realistically i love her

[1:08:49] but um yeah this movie is such a relentless bummer to watch yeah there's just nothing about it that

[1:08:57] is fun bad at all and i i feel like i'm having bad luck with i want movies to be fun bad and

[1:09:04] having bad luck recently i also saw ma and ma was similar welcome to marwin was also not fun bad for

[1:09:11] me oh so you're saying we should not do welcome to marwin i'm saying you can do welcome to marwin

[1:09:16] i'm she washes her hands i wash my hands a bit yeah now your your friend who watched it uh had

[1:09:23] your friend accurately like set you up for expectation wise for this i think so she was

[1:09:31] just like this is the worst movie i've ever seen i feel like she just needed someone else to

[1:09:37] experience the insidious evil of it yeah um it's like a ring video yeah exactly that she's like i

[1:09:42] need to know because she also knows that i will watch most bad movies um but yeah oh

[1:09:49] dan uh what you're going through tinder over there uh i i'm taken thanks to but um i'm looking at

[1:09:58] our ads looking at our ads should i should we go straight to that or should i do my kind of half

[1:10:04] assed jesus christ superstar parody that i was gonna do when when uh natalie said i washed my

[1:10:09] hands of welcome to marwin yes please do jesus christ superstar i was gonna do i was gonna do

[1:10:13] a line from the trial before pilot where he goes i was gonna say i wash my hands of welcome to

[1:10:21] marwin die if you want to etc etc okay you innocent

[1:10:29] and so but the original line is i wash my hands of your demolition

[1:10:37] yes it's the best it's the best part oh it's a great that whole sequence is

[1:10:43] great great album great show i give jesus christ superstar a good

[1:10:48] good review

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[1:13:20] Probably.

[1:13:21] Okay, now...

[1:13:23] And Natalie's kind of a tech head, right?

[1:13:25] You're kind of like a computer freak.

[1:13:26] Such a computer freak.

[1:13:28] Yeah, you're really into gadgets, just like, what's his name?

[1:13:32] Steven Parent, yeah.

[1:13:33] Yeah.

[1:13:33] Now, as mentioned earlier, I get very paranoid at night in my new house that I own about the locks being locked.

[1:13:40] And so I was wondering if they're, and whenever I go to check them, the locks are already, they're locked.

[1:13:45] It's almost never unlocked.

[1:13:46] So I was wondering about a website.

[1:13:48] It's called www.unlockmylockssoicancheckthem.com.

[1:13:53] And the website, I guess it would be an app, would unlock the locks in my house so that when I go check them, I go, oh, thank goodness I checked this.

[1:13:59] It was unlocked.

[1:14:00] I needed to lock it.

[1:14:01] As opposed to right now where I check it and it's locked already and I go, well, that was a waste of my time.

[1:14:05] Wait, but what if the lock automatically unlocked in the time since I walked from the door to my bed?

[1:14:10] I better check it again.

[1:14:11] Better to have the app that unlocks it so I could be like, oh, good, this wasn't a waste of my time.

[1:14:15] So you're not pitching a website but an app.

[1:14:18] I guess it's an app.

[1:14:19] I mean, you could use a Squarespace website to sell it.

[1:14:23] This is why we needed a tech head like Natalie to point out the difference to me.

[1:14:27] Now, wouldn't you also need to develop the technology to unlock the locks?

[1:14:33] Or do you just need a website that says, where you're like, dear website, did I lock my doors?

[1:14:41] And it just says, yes.

[1:14:42] Yeah, it's just the, is it Christmas website?

[1:14:45] Yeah, or that website that tells you if Abe Vigoda is alive or not.

[1:14:48] Oh, yeah.

[1:14:48] No, that was exactly what I was going to say.

[1:14:51] I thought you were going to, that was the original pitch.

[1:14:52] i thought you were gonna do is like are my locks locked or not and it's the ape pagoda thing well

[1:14:57] no because i know the locks are locked because i've already checked them four times that night

[1:15:00] what i need is something that makes it worthwhile when i go back to check for the fifth time so

[1:15:04] natalie if we could work together and you could develop this kind of website unlocks a lock

[1:15:08] remotely technology yeah i'm an engineer oh great women in stem

[1:15:14] all right so the next ad i just closed for some reason

[1:15:22] i feel like that is that is like if i saw that in a movie about dan mccoy i'd be like two on

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[1:17:04] i'm a very expressive she's very intently watching me no well i i go out for voiceover a lot for

[1:17:13] copy and stuff and so i'm just like i was actually just thinking you have a lot of natural ability

[1:17:18] when you are reading copy for something that you seem to actually like oh thank you well the look

[1:17:23] on your face when you just sound so excited to be reading a copy for a board game something that you

[1:17:29] notoriously despise but you were really painting a picture for me yeah with the pandemic good copy

[1:17:35] i gotta say yeah it's good copy uh pandemic games are a lot of fun um this just the latest

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[1:17:46] the and then he became a being of pure board game made up of naught but meeples and cards um

[1:17:55] but he uh or he uh the pandemic i think it's funny that they do say beloved uh universe because

[1:18:01] like the pandemic games are about humanity like trying not to die off from infections

[1:18:06] but they are really good games they're they're they're great games and they're some of my

[1:18:11] favorite because they're cooperative games yes so they're and they're pretty easy for new players

[1:18:16] to pick up so they're a great way to kind of introduce friends who might not be like hardcore

[1:18:22] board gamers into like a night of board gaming fun now and as you may know uh sorry steward i'll

[1:18:29] i don't mean to cut you off i was going to tell you a personal anecdote uh-huh do it okay now as

[1:18:34] you may know my son sammy is a steward in training he loves games he loves board games and i was

[1:18:39] worried at first that this game would be like a little too complicated or scary for him but it

[1:18:44] is not he's totally into it and we still haven't fully gotten the hang of solving the pandemic a

[1:18:49] grown man working with a five-year-old to figure out how to save save the world but uh but we've

[1:18:54] been having a lot of fun with it and i also i love that it's a that these are cooperative games and

[1:18:58] so there's like there's not that element of beating your friends basically and it's like oh

[1:19:04] we're working together and we either all lose together which is sad but at least we did it

[1:19:07] together or we all won together in which case we did it we won this is great it's like an escape

[1:19:12] room but a board game you can actually buy board game versions of escape rooms oh wow uh so after

[1:19:20] the podcast we'll crack this one out sounds good but but let's have people buy the board game that

[1:19:25] we're advertising and not that uh i'm so glad sammy made an appearance on the podcast today

[1:19:30] yeah we got a little he's one of my favorite characters oh yeah well they z-man game sent

[1:19:35] me a copy of the game and they and i was like oh i can't wait to play this with sammy and my wife

[1:19:38] was like, uh, it is about a pandemic, so do you think it's appropriate?

[1:19:43] And I'm like, eh, he'll figure it out.

[1:19:45] So, sorry, I don't want to cut off any more Sammy talk, but I believe we have a couple

[1:19:49] of jumbotrons.

[1:19:50] I'll give you a little time maybe to pull them up on your old email devices.

[1:19:54] I'm all ready.

[1:19:55] Mine is ready.

[1:19:56] Dan, before every episode, I make a Word document with an outline of what I need to do in that

[1:20:00] episode so that I'm ready to do it.

[1:20:03] Okay, nerds.

[1:20:04] That felt very clean.

[1:20:05] Thanks for saying it.

[1:20:08] it's called treating this professionally i like to think i bring a wild card energy to the show

[1:20:15] oh very much so yeah

[1:20:16] okay we are now in the jumbotron portion of the show uh this message is from jetta yuki

[1:20:28] jules teddy and ha hana hana yeah okay we are ordinary run-of-the-mill house cats

[1:20:36] and are in awe of your fame and celebrity archie we prick up our ears at your restless background

[1:20:44] noise and house cat your super coolness would thrill us even more if we had not had our vital

[1:20:51] sexual equipment altered keep up the cattiness what a lovely little message for the cats of the

[1:20:57] flop house uh well thank you for your message i will relay to the house cat who as i mentioned

[1:21:03] before is currently on sabbatical he's working on a new book right oh yeah of course uh and archie

[1:21:10] is currently over there licking his tummy in a way that i attempt to all the time and i just

[1:21:15] can't bend that way uh elliot do you have something i do have a jumbotron message hey guys

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[1:21:54] Do you need to revise your previous statement?

[1:21:56] I, you know what, strike my previous website from the record and make it instead revisionistspodcast.com.

[1:22:03] And before we plug our remaining live shows for the year, or maybe not for the year, who knows, but our remaining live shows in our current tour.

[1:22:12] I like how you say remaining.

[1:22:13] It's most of them.

[1:22:14] Well, okay.

[1:22:15] Before we plug those.

[1:22:17] You made it sound like we're almost done with this tour.

[1:22:20] No, we have most of the shows in the tour left.

[1:22:22] And it's not a tour, technically.

[1:22:25] Yeah.

[1:22:26] Okay, this t-shirt contest...

[1:22:27] You know what? Tor is also a publisher, much like on Younger.

[1:22:30] Oh, thank you. They would be a rival.

[1:22:33] Although it's interesting that in the world of Younger, Imperial has the author, a George R.R. Martin surrogate,

[1:22:40] Edward L.L. Moore, who is a depiction of a George R.R. Martin-type character, warts and all.

[1:22:46] But clearly, you know, whatever. We'll get into it in Younger cast.

[1:22:50] Okay, all I wanted to say was the t-shirt contest is ongoing.

[1:22:54] I realize that I previously said that at the end of June, the voting would close.

[1:23:00] But I don't think we actually had a chance because of being out of town, doing those other episodes.

[1:23:05] We didn't mention it on the podcast.

[1:23:07] So I'm going to extend the voting to the end of July.

[1:23:10] That's July 30th.

[1:23:11] If you go to flophousepodcast.com and navigate your way over to the blog section,

[1:23:17] there is a place where all of the finalist T-shirt designs are up.

[1:23:22] And you can vote for your favorite.

[1:23:24] And then we will announce the winner.

[1:23:26] Yeah, and they're super awesome.

[1:23:27] They're really cool.

[1:23:27] We got a lot of great stuff.

[1:23:29] Elliot, you usually like to do the plugs for the events.

[1:23:34] Do you want to do that?

[1:23:35] No, I just got thrown off that you said the end of July would be July 30th,

[1:23:39] when there are, in fact, 31 days in July.

[1:23:41] Oh, God.

[1:23:42] Yeah.

[1:23:43] The reason why it took Elliot a while to respond is because he did a Bazooka Joe flip take at that information.

[1:23:48] I was like, wait, am I in an alternate universe where there are 30 days in July?

[1:23:53] Is this a Mandela effect moment for me?

[1:23:55] The weird thing is I pulled up my calendar to see what the end of July was, and I did not see the 31st.

[1:24:01] Yeah, there was a splash of mustard on his phone.

[1:24:03] Fucking 31st.

[1:24:05] Sorry, so the 31st, everyone.

[1:24:07] Dan has a weird syndrome known as 31 blindness, where he actually can't see the number 31 or people who are 31 years old.

[1:24:14] How weird.

[1:24:15] Okay, guys, let's talk about our upcoming shows.

[1:24:18] Speaking of the number 31, turn that number around.

[1:24:21] You get 13.

[1:24:22] July 13th. We'll be in Minneapolis

[1:24:24] at the Parkway. That's right.

[1:24:25] That show, though, is sold out, I believe.

[1:24:28] That show is sold out.

[1:24:29] I need to talk to you guys about maybe releasing a couple

[1:24:32] comps, and then, so

[1:24:34] keep an eye out. I feel like no time, like, doing

[1:24:36] it on the air.

[1:24:37] I'm saying that because

[1:24:40] it's pertinent to the listener. There may be, like,

[1:24:42] a few tickets that

[1:24:44] are released,

[1:24:46] so take a look

[1:24:48] about that. Yeah, take a look at the website.

[1:24:50] It is mostly sold out, but we may release

[1:24:52] a couple more tickets that's july 13th then you skip ahead to september that's right we're taking

[1:24:56] august off september 28th we're gonna be in bean town boston itself cradle of the revolution

[1:25:01] our 7 p.m show at wbur city space is sold out but our 9 45 show not sold out yet so come on by if

[1:25:10] you're in boston or the surrounding new england area and then we are and we're specifically i'd

[1:25:16] like to point out we're going to be doing two different movies for that so if you have tickets

[1:25:20] for the first show

[1:25:20] and you're like

[1:25:21] that's not enough silliness

[1:25:23] I want to watch them

[1:25:24] talk about a completely

[1:25:24] different movie

[1:25:25] I want to be in the theater

[1:25:26] for four hours

[1:25:27] if you're like

[1:25:28] I don't want to see them

[1:25:29] talk about Battle Angel Alita

[1:25:31] again

[1:25:31] no no no

[1:25:32] we'll talk about

[1:25:32] a different movie

[1:25:33] I don't even know

[1:25:33] if we're going to do

[1:25:34] that movie

[1:25:34] and having recently

[1:25:36] been part of a live show

[1:25:37] in that venue

[1:25:38] if you miss one of the shows

[1:25:40] but just want to

[1:25:41] stand outside

[1:25:41] and watch us

[1:25:42] from the windows

[1:25:43] you can easily do that

[1:25:44] because there are

[1:25:45] floor to ceiling windows

[1:25:46] behind the audience

[1:25:47] that sounds great

[1:25:49] So we'll get to see all of Boston's bad driving while we talk.

[1:25:53] Wow.

[1:25:54] Take that, Beantown.

[1:25:55] Okay, so yeah, if you want to see both shows, come and see it.

[1:25:58] You could do a real Flophouse movie marathon.

[1:26:00] And then October 12th, we're going to be in my hometown of L.A.

[1:26:04] I love L.A.

[1:26:05] Randy Newman, again, mention him again.

[1:26:07] We're going to be in Los Angeles at the Regent Theater.

[1:26:09] That's October 12th.

[1:26:10] So to recap, Minneapolis, July 13th.

[1:26:12] There may be a few more tickets going on sale.

[1:26:14] Boston, September 28th.

[1:26:16] Two different shows.

[1:26:16] First one sold out.

[1:26:17] Second one, not two different movies.

[1:26:19] October 12th, Los Angeles at the Regent Theater.

[1:26:22] That's the shows.

[1:26:24] Come on by and see us.

[1:26:26] And as always, we'll be doing our show-exclusive PowerPoint presentations

[1:26:29] and also selling live show-exclusive merchandise.

[1:26:32] Okay.

[1:26:34] Now that that lengthy bit of business is over with.

[1:26:39] That we got to bore our guest with.

[1:26:40] Let's move on to letters.

[1:26:41] I'm coming on tour.

[1:26:42] Oh, cool.

[1:26:44] Wow, that's new to us.

[1:26:45] That's probably welcome.

[1:26:46] Got to hop in the truck.

[1:26:47] Letters from listeners.

[1:26:50] This first one.

[1:26:51] Letters from whom?

[1:26:51] Listeners.

[1:26:52] Okay.

[1:26:53] Listeners like the ones listening right now.

[1:26:55] What a bunch of creeps listening in to our conversation.

[1:26:58] What kind of people are listening right now?

[1:27:01] What kind of people are listening to us?

[1:27:04] Dan calls them creeps.

[1:27:06] Dan calls them creeps.

[1:27:07] And Dan's pretty creepy, so I think he would know.

[1:27:10] Hey, Dan, how'd you get so creepy?

[1:27:13] Hey, Dan, the beard doesn't help.

[1:27:16] Hey, Dan, you also look sleepy.

[1:27:18] Hey, Dan, nothing much rhymes with help.

[1:27:21] We have somewhat, I mean...

[1:27:25] I'm so delighted.

[1:27:26] I was worried there wasn't going to be a song.

[1:27:30] I can't believe that Elliot required that much fucking prompting.

[1:27:35] There's a lot of pressure.

[1:27:38] When we have an actual theater person...

[1:27:41] Well, that's what I was going to say.

[1:27:41] Natalie has a lovely singing voice, often does cabaret.

[1:27:46] like professionally

[1:27:47] someone we know

[1:27:49] saying at least

[1:27:49] one part of

[1:27:50] all I want for Christmas

[1:27:51] is you

[1:27:52] I was so worried

[1:27:55] there wasn't going to be

[1:27:55] a song this time

[1:27:56] I kept

[1:27:57] I was like looking over

[1:27:58] and I was like

[1:27:59] oh god

[1:27:59] what a delight

[1:28:00] okay

[1:28:01] I just worked so hard

[1:28:02] for that song

[1:28:03] first letters

[1:28:05] from Joshua

[1:28:06] last name withheld

[1:28:07] Jackson

[1:28:08] who says

[1:28:08] dear peaches

[1:28:09] Pacey

[1:28:10] I recently finished

[1:28:12] a crazy movie challenge

[1:28:13] for myself

[1:28:13] in which I watched

[1:28:14] a movie I've never seen

[1:28:16] before for every year between 1920 and 2018 99 movies in total i mean if it he did it between

[1:28:24] 1920 and so like he did a movie a year that's not that bad he's old i guess but to stick with it for

[1:28:31] all for almost 100 years it's pretty crazy okay anyway over the course of about 10 months oh i

[1:28:37] was able to watch some stone cold classics like the passion of joan of arc anatomy of a murder

[1:28:42] and The Thin Man.

[1:28:43] I also managed to watch

[1:28:44] some real stinkers

[1:28:45] like Tideland,

[1:28:46] The Jazz Singer,

[1:28:47] and Once Upon a Time in America.

[1:28:48] Come at me, Internet.

[1:28:49] In between were some real oddities

[1:28:52] that I might never have

[1:28:53] otherwise caught up with,

[1:28:54] like The Adventures of Prince Ahmed

[1:28:56] and Tetsuo, The Iron Man.

[1:28:58] My two-part question for you is this.

[1:29:00] Have you ever presented

[1:29:02] similar movie-related challenges

[1:29:03] for yourself,

[1:29:04] and what were they?

[1:29:05] And what should my next challenge be?

[1:29:08] Thank you, as always,

[1:29:09] Joshua, last name withheld.

[1:29:12] I'll jump in and say that this is something I always – when I was a teenager in high school, hard to believe I was ever that young, I had some friends where I was like every weekend we should watch like a whole series of movies.

[1:29:23] Like we should watch all the Planet of the Apes movies or like watch all the James Bond movies for a couple weekends, and none of my friends ever wanted to do that with me.

[1:29:30] And so I desperately wanted to do something like this and didn't.

[1:29:33] So I guess the closest thing would be when me and my old friend Brock went to the Guggenheim and watched all the Craymaster movies one after another in one day.

[1:29:40] And it was like eight or nine hours of just sitting there, and you couldn't leave or else somebody would take your seat.

[1:29:46] So I was just sitting there in the Guggenheim Theater with one package of goldfish and a bottle of water, and that was all that I had all day, and it was crazy.

[1:29:52] Oh, boy.

[1:29:54] That's – I mean, that is a challenge.

[1:29:59] Yeah.

[1:29:59] Okay.

[1:30:00] And you know what?

[1:30:01] I came through that challenge stronger and with very firm opinions on which of the Craymaster movies are good and which are not.

[1:30:07] Allow me to explain.

[1:30:09] anyway i i don't know if i have a good one for this i've got i've done a few like movie marathons

[1:30:16] at the alamo where i've sat through like four or five movies at a time and uh stayed awake for most

[1:30:22] of it and uh otherwise like this sounds like sounds pretty charitable but go on

[1:30:28] otherwise the first thing that springs to mind it's not a a movie challenge but i find it

[1:30:34] sort of amusing my church group when i was young arranged an event where like we just movie hopped

[1:30:40] in a theater you know we paid for everything ahead of time and then just like we saw three

[1:30:44] movies in a row and the movies we saw were robin hood men in tights the fugitive and so i married

[1:30:53] an axe murderer i don't know i just found that that that smorgasbord amusing somehow

[1:30:59] which robin hood prince of thieves or men in tights okay my my family we used to do that

[1:31:04] a lot. We would go and we'd see like a couple movies

[1:31:07] in one day. And I do remember the day we saw

[1:31:09] three movies. We saw The Lion King,

[1:31:10] another movie that I do not remember,

[1:31:12] and Getting Even With Dad, starring Macaulay Culkin

[1:31:15] and Ted Danson. And it was like,

[1:31:16] and afterwards we all walked out and we were like, we should not have

[1:31:19] started the day with The Lion King. We should have ended

[1:31:21] with The Lion King. Because it was such a

[1:31:23] drop off in quality.

[1:31:24] Anyone else have movie challenges?

[1:31:27] But did he ever get

[1:31:29] even with Dad? He does

[1:31:31] get even with Dad. That's good to hear.

[1:31:32] It involves stolen money in a bag hanging on a mannequin in a display window.

[1:31:37] This is a movie I saw once when I was a kid, and I remember it better than I remember things

[1:31:41] that happened to me in real life.

[1:31:43] I don't know.

[1:31:45] I mean, like, recently before Avengers Infinity War, I watched all of the Marvel movies in

[1:31:52] order, not in one sitting.

[1:31:54] Oh, yeah, I did that, too.

[1:31:55] But spread out over, you know, a couple of weeks.

[1:31:57] But that's, I don't know, that's pretty, I mean, I've watched, like, all the Star Wars

[1:32:02] movies in a row but that was back when there was only like three to six of them let's see

[1:32:08] i mean the the coolest thing i ever did was really uh no this is hands down the coolest

[1:32:15] thing i ever did was when uh return of the king was being released in movie theaters

[1:32:19] i bought tickets to one of the few showings of uh where they would show the extended version

[1:32:26] of the fellowship the ring followed by extended version of two towers short break and then an

[1:32:31] early uh screening of return of the king and there weren't that many theaters uh doing that

[1:32:37] so i wonder why yeah it was i mean i don't know i feel like now that kind of a marathon would

[1:32:44] this was pretty common yeah but the uh the cool thing was they they made a point of telling us

[1:32:50] to be in our seats early before return of the king and i'm like oh man this is gonna be good

[1:32:54] And of course, before the movie, they brought out Dominic Monaghan, Sean Astin, Elijah Wood and Andy Serkis to introduce the movie.

[1:33:03] I was very lucky that it wasn't Peter Jackson or else I probably would have gone to jail for attacking him with love, not violence.

[1:33:11] But sometimes it's, you know, it gets confusing.

[1:33:13] He's a very nice man.

[1:33:15] Wait, Peter Jackson?

[1:33:16] Yeah.

[1:33:16] Oh, wow.

[1:33:17] I got to meet him at Vulture Comic Con because they had me like run their interview studio.

[1:33:22] and i've literally never seen any of the lord of the rings movies you want to murder me with no i

[1:33:30] just i mean i'm jealous that i don't get to be you and see them for the first time one day oh my god

[1:33:37] you and my boyfriend you're just waiting i'm like nervous that i will hate it because of the people

[1:33:42] that i know love it so much and it doesn't seem like my bag but he's everything you would want

[1:33:47] him to be he's just like a sweet little winnie the pooh bear man yeah he was in like a white

[1:33:52] button down and the button the bottom button was unbuttoned and the whole interview you could just

[1:33:57] see his little tommy popping out it's adorable it's adorable he was lovely and he said he wanted

[1:34:02] more than anything because i talked to him about being making cameos and his own stuff and i said

[1:34:08] if you could do a cameo on whatever he was like i want to be a zombie on the walking dead but i

[1:34:12] want to be a good zombie that like kills someone i don't want to be just like a walk-on zombie i

[1:34:16] want to have an actual meaty role oh yeah maybe pun intended i guess that's great oh that's a

[1:34:23] great story is this just something that dumb people do no i have always wanted to cool people

[1:34:28] like the guy who wrote it i've always wanted to do something like this sort of similar to ellie i

[1:34:34] had like no friends in in middle school and so i was always like what if i did this and i like got

[1:34:39] a friend to do this with and it felt sad doing it by myself so i just didn't do it but we used to

[1:34:44] have like marathons my family would have marathons mostly in that um my mom is obsessed with denzel

[1:34:49] washington and she would have on certain weekends she would have a denzel festival

[1:34:53] we would watch like six or seven denzel washington movies in a weekend and like you didn't have to

[1:35:02] sit down and watch them the whole time but they would just be constantly on throughout so yeah

[1:35:07] that's probably the closest thing i've thought about doing the marvel run through everything

[1:35:14] Nicole Silverberg did it Nicole Silverberg is like a really funny wonderful comedy writer for

[1:35:20] uh Sam Bee and she this spring went through all of them and had like a twitter thread of all of

[1:35:26] her thoughts on them and it made me really want to watch them because she had sort of the exact

[1:35:31] take that I feel like I would have had and it seemed like she had fun all right yeah I had a

[1:35:36] good time doing it I had no takes I just watched them let's move on to the next letter from Mike

[1:35:43] Last name withheld

[1:35:44] He writes

[1:35:45] Dearest Floppers

[1:35:46] I think I have an answer

[1:35:48] To a question you brought up

[1:35:49] During the Serenity episode

[1:35:50] Wondering why Matthew McConaughey

[1:35:53] Seems to have a thong tan

[1:35:54] This must have been

[1:35:56] Did that come up?

[1:35:57] Stuart said something about it

[1:35:58] Talked about his whale tail tan

[1:36:00] This must have been made

[1:36:02] Immediately after filming

[1:36:03] The Beach Poem

[1:36:04] In which neon thongs

[1:36:05] Are among the tamer parts

[1:36:06] Of his wardrobe

[1:36:07] Which also includes

[1:36:08] Flip up shades

[1:36:09] Velcro sneakers

[1:36:10] And floral dresses

[1:36:11] I hope this has brought you

[1:36:12] a small amount of peace

[1:36:14] love Mike

[1:36:14] last name withheld

[1:36:15] has this brought you

[1:36:16] peace Stuart

[1:36:17] mm-hmm

[1:36:17] I

[1:36:18] think I can

[1:36:19] sleep again

[1:36:20] what this tells me

[1:36:22] is that Matthew McConaughey

[1:36:23] is choosing his roles

[1:36:24] based on whether

[1:36:24] he's at the beach

[1:36:25] while he's making him

[1:36:27] I mean Adam Sandler's

[1:36:28] entire movie career

[1:36:30] is based on where

[1:36:30] he wants to go on vacation

[1:36:32] yeah

[1:36:32] yeah that's true

[1:36:33] his entire movie career

[1:36:34] little Nicky

[1:36:36] Billy Madison

[1:36:37] Punch Drunk Love

[1:36:41] yep

[1:36:42] They do go to Hawaii at one point

[1:36:45] Oh yeah that's true

[1:36:47] I don't think that was his motivating factor

[1:36:48] Okay well this is a short letters segment

[1:36:51] This week I have one more

[1:36:53] It's a very short one

[1:36:54] It's from my dad

[1:36:56] Last name withheld

[1:36:57] Wait the name is my dad or it's your dad

[1:37:01] It's my dad

[1:37:02] Wait is the name my dad or it's your dad

[1:37:05] No me Dan

[1:37:06] I have a father and this is him

[1:37:08] Okay and his name is my dad

[1:37:10] No

[1:37:11] his name is jerry oh okay last name withheld yeah and dad says i'd like to recommend a movie

[1:37:19] i've just seen the guernsey literary literary and potato peel society charming story beautiful

[1:37:25] scenery and good acting now dad should know by now that we don't really take requests

[1:37:30] unless he wins a contest maybe he should get out come up with a t-shirt i thought he liked it yeah

[1:37:36] he likes it i think he doesn't fully understand the premise of the show is this for the

[1:37:40] recommendation segment you think of them yeah what do we what do we think the good acting and

[1:37:47] what do we think the guernsey literary and potato peel society is about guys no it's one of these

[1:37:52] drag your dad some more though i remember seeing things it's like everyone's in like period clothes

[1:37:57] i think and oh it's not like vaguely eccentric quirky okay i i saw the ads for the downton abbey

[1:38:05] movie as like a trailer and i've never seen the show and i felt like the trailer was assuming my

[1:38:12] interest level was higher oh yes no they're going into this movie being like everyone loves this

[1:38:18] i watched the first season and then i was like okay yeah i mean i watched up until matthew died

[1:38:24] and i'm like what's the point of this yeah dance my boy dan stevens is i mean to be to be honest

[1:38:28] to be honest i don't think anyone's jumping on the downton abbey train now with the movie

[1:38:32] it's like with Avengers Avengers Endgame the reviews stopped being like but does it stand

[1:38:38] on its own as a movie because it's like why why would you why would you ask that question

[1:38:41] do you think but do you think they're like maybe it'll be like a like a Serenity and Firefly type

[1:38:46] thing where people will who have not seen the television show because it didn't have as many

[1:38:51] viewers originally will see the movie and then want to go back and watch it I doubt it I mean

[1:38:56] the same way that I don't think Deadwood the movie is the ideal jumping on point for newbies to the

[1:39:01] dead woody verse you know like uh i don't know there's gonna be a lot of uh casual walk-ins for

[1:39:05] the downton abbey movie which i assume is called downton abbey infinity war i think alonzo duraldo

[1:39:11] was talking on on linoleum knife is he on linoleum knife run who shot you about how there's always an

[1:39:16] audience in america for movies that involve kind of like matronly british women doing things like

[1:39:23] that audience is always kind of steady and stable this anglophile audience so i assume that's what

[1:39:27] this crumpet and literary society movie is about yeah all right well uh i hope the dad

[1:39:35] hopefully she's like solving crimes too if she's solving like somewhat pleasant crimes

[1:39:40] pleasant murders yeah the next part of the show in case you've forgotten or are listening for

[1:39:49] the first time is recommendations of movies we actually liked that you should watch instead of

[1:39:54] The Haunting of Sharon Tate.

[1:39:56] Does anyone want to go first?

[1:39:57] I'll go.

[1:39:59] I've got a spooky tale based on a true story.

[1:40:01] It's called The Haunting of Sharon Tate.

[1:40:03] Oh, wait.

[1:40:03] Are we not supposed to recommend?

[1:40:05] Somebody else can go first.

[1:40:07] I don't have to go first.

[1:40:08] Okay.

[1:40:09] I was just doing that bit.

[1:40:11] Elliot briefly gives up the spotlight.

[1:40:13] I'll recommend, I will recommend a horror movie.

[1:40:19] I'm recommending the Iranian period piece,

[1:40:22] under the shadow directed by babak anvari it's about a young mother who is having trouble uh

[1:40:31] she's having trouble getting back into her life due to previous political leanings and her husband

[1:40:38] gets uh drafted and called to the front and the so she has to raise her child on her own and she

[1:40:46] has uh she's struggling with her daughter's own fears her fears of both her life and her

[1:40:51] inadequacy, possibly her inadequacies as a mother, and also about the oncoming war with Iraq. And

[1:41:00] it's great. It's short, and it trods some well-worn territory, but it adds a couple of

[1:41:06] neat little nuances. It's cool. Check it out, Under the Shadow. I'm going to recommend a movie

[1:41:12] from 1927, and it stars Harold Lloyd, and it's called The Kid Brother. And I'll just read the

[1:41:21] IMDb summary

[1:41:24] because it seems to sum it up pretty well

[1:41:25] a sheriff's milquetoast son has a chance

[1:41:28] to prove himself when a medicine show run by

[1:41:30] con artists comes into town

[1:41:31] and you know I mean I'm

[1:41:33] I'm a Buster Keaton

[1:41:35] proponent mostly if we're talking

[1:41:37] the class I mean I feel like people always

[1:41:39] feel the need to put them up against each other the classic

[1:41:42] silent movie clowns

[1:41:44] but that was the big that was the big debate of the time

[1:41:46] is who would win in a fight Buster

[1:41:48] Keaton or Howard Lloyd who's stronger or Charlie

[1:41:50] chaplain uh-huh but uh i see guys in in the bar always getting in almost coming to blows over this

[1:41:55] yeah yeah but i yeah i think harold lloyd is actually my second favorite and i think he

[1:42:00] constructs uh crazy gags almost as well and with almost as much daring so just just see it it's on

[1:42:09] the criterion channel if you've got that uh that's where i came across it that's it i'll go last

[1:42:15] Natalie, you go next.

[1:42:15] I'll go last.

[1:42:16] Great.

[1:42:17] I am going to recommend a movie that is coming up on its 20th anniversary.

[1:42:20] And it's like very much holy text to some people, myself included.

[1:42:25] But now that it's going to be on Hulu, it's like just become readily available on Hulu now.

[1:42:31] I want to tell more people about it.

[1:42:32] The movie Drop Dead Gorgeous came out in 1999.

[1:42:35] There's like one plot line in it that has not aged well involving Will Sasso.

[1:42:40] so if you haven't seen it and you watch that take that with a grain of salt but everything else

[1:42:45] about it is so good it's about a beauty pageant in Minneapolis Minnesota in Mount Rose specifically

[1:42:53] and it's Kirstie Alley as sort of the ringleader of the local pageant very young Kirsten Dunst

[1:43:00] as sort of the young upstart that's going to upset everything the sort of dark horse in the

[1:43:06] in the teen princess race uh her mom is played by Ellen Barkin her mom's like trailer trash best

[1:43:13] friend is played by Allison Janney it's Amy Adams first film role I believe she's like a

[1:43:19] she's a sort of ditzy cheerleader and she's brilliant in it Brittany Murphy is also in it

[1:43:25] it's just sort of Denise Richards it's just sort of like a murderer's row of young actresses and

[1:43:32] like older character actresses before Hollywood started really recognizing

[1:43:35] older character actresses and giving them more to do.

[1:43:38] And it's so funny and so sharp and Nora Dunn is there as well.

[1:43:43] It's just everyone that you want to see in a female driven comedy,

[1:43:47] basically.

[1:43:47] So watch it.

[1:43:49] Yeah,

[1:43:49] it's great.

[1:43:50] I'm going to recommend a movie that was not chosen because Natalie is the

[1:43:55] guest today,

[1:43:55] but it,

[1:43:55] but it is of a theme because it's a musical theater type thing.

[1:44:00] This is a documentary that's on Netflix right now.

[1:44:03] It's called Bathtubs Over Broadway, and it's the true story, because it's a documentary, of there's a guy who, at the time they started making the movie, this guy Steve Young was a writer for Letterman.

[1:44:14] And part of his job was to find weird record albums for the show, and it caused him to stumble into the world of industrial musicals.

[1:44:21] musicals that were produced purely to be shown at conventions of employees for different corporations

[1:44:27] and then would be released on album as souvenirs for those employees

[1:44:31] and were not meant to be listened to outside the company or ever sold to the public.

[1:44:35] And I thought it's a movie that starts out really funny,

[1:44:39] but I was very moved by it by the end because it starts off being like going through his relationship with it

[1:44:46] where it's like, oh, these are crazy.

[1:44:48] Can you imagine there's this whole musical about Lucite in 1972 or like there's a musical that's all about bathroom fixtures and then he goes and meets the people who worked on the shows, the people who wrote them, the people who performed in them and it becomes very clear that they were putting as much of their own selves into this musical that would be performed once, maybe twice and then never again as you would into a real Broadway musical.

[1:45:12] and so it starts out being like oh these companies are like perverting this art form to just get

[1:45:18] across how great the companies are but then you see like oh no but like these songs that are about

[1:45:22] like there's that one song called my bathroom that gets played a few times in it where a woman sings

[1:45:27] about about her bathroom is a special private room where she can go and dream and it's a ridiculous

[1:45:32] song but as as you watch the movie you're like oh like but this is that these musicals are they're

[1:45:37] creating that space for these people where they can, you know,

[1:45:40] be professional performers in this world that most people never get to see.

[1:45:44] And there's actually a really good amount of footage and music from these

[1:45:49] different industrial musicals. So I liked a lot.

[1:45:51] It's called Bathtubs Over Broadway. It's on Netflix right now.

[1:45:53] Yay. Okay. Well, that's it for the show.

[1:45:58] We made it. We made it. Wait, what?

[1:46:00] We should thank Natalie for being here.

[1:46:03] And also, Natalie, you perform around places.

[1:46:07] Yes.

[1:46:08] It's been said.

[1:46:10] This show's going to come out on July the 6th.

[1:46:16] That's this coming Saturday.

[1:46:17] Is there anything you want to plug coming up?

[1:46:19] Yeah, I'm hosting a show called Showgasm at Ars Nova on July 18th.

[1:46:25] It's a Thursday at 8 p.m.

[1:46:27] And they sort of just give me free reign to bring on whoever I want.

[1:46:32] And so it'll be a mixture of comedians and like brilliant musical performers

[1:46:35] and theater people and drag Queens and weirdos.

[1:46:38] And it'll be great.

[1:46:39] So that sounds fun.

[1:46:41] Yeah.

[1:46:41] Uh,

[1:46:43] anyone else want to plug anything?

[1:46:44] I don't have anything.

[1:46:45] I just,

[1:46:45] well,

[1:46:46] since I asked Natalie,

[1:46:47] I feel like,

[1:46:47] as I've mentioned before,

[1:46:48] uh,

[1:46:49] my wife has recently opened up a bar minis bar in Sunset Park,

[1:46:52] Brooklyn.

[1:46:53] Please come visit.

[1:46:54] It's a beautiful old spot.

[1:46:56] And we should always,

[1:46:57] always thank our network maximum fun.org for having us.

[1:47:01] and improving our lives in countless ways.

[1:47:04] I mean, I could probably count them if I really wanted to.

[1:47:09] You probably shouldn't.

[1:47:10] There's a lot of them.

[1:47:10] Let's not put a number on it.

[1:47:12] Look, let's not put numbers on these things.

[1:47:14] Let's just leave it as you've so strangely phrased it.

[1:47:17] You know, Dan, when I came over and you're like,

[1:47:22] I don't know how we're going to talk about this movie,

[1:47:24] I'm like, I think we're going to be able to do it.

[1:47:26] I think we did it.

[1:47:28] Great.

[1:47:28] So I guess we're patting ourselves on the back.

[1:47:31] Yeah, that's part of the show.

[1:47:32] Maybe we're the heroes of this one.

[1:47:34] Time for a victory lap is what I'm saying.

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[1:48:07] Come on.

[1:48:08] There was a time when I was visiting my in-laws, and somebody wrote in an email to the Flophouse later saying, like, oh, I thought it was Elliot, but I didn't want to bother him in front of his family.

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[1:48:23] That would have really lifted my spirits.

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[1:48:31] And a Flophouse listener came up and said, oh, I love your show.

[1:48:34] It's so great to meet you.

[1:48:35] And my dad has been talking about that for years and brings it up all the time.

[1:48:39] It really made his day.

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[1:48:45] Skywriting, big banners, I don't know, a parade, national holiday, any of those things.

[1:48:51] Well, for the Flophouse, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:48:54] Hey, I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:48:56] I'm Elliot Kalin.

[1:48:57] You know me.

[1:48:58] Elliot Kalin, that's my name.

[1:49:00] Hey, guys, if you ever see me, don't be afraid to say,

[1:49:03] is that Elliot Kalin?

[1:49:04] Because it is.

[1:49:05] I'm Natalie Walker.

[1:49:07] You don't know me, but now you do.

[1:49:09] That should be your new slogan.

[1:49:13] I want that to be your memoirs are,

[1:49:16] you don't know me, but now you do.

[1:49:18] I like it because it's kind of a threat.

[1:49:23] All right, see you next time.

[1:49:25] Bye.

[1:49:26] All right, let's just start the show.

[1:49:40] How do we do it?

[1:49:42] Oh, okay, I remember.

[1:49:43] Dan, we've been doing this for over a decade.

[1:49:46] Yeah, but we haven't done it in a few weeks.

[1:49:49] Y'all, good point, good point.

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