Ep. #320 - Last Christmas, w/ Hallie Haglund

Elliott Kalan

[0:00] On this episode we discuss...

[0:02] Last Christmas!

[0:04] Based on a true story.

[0:06] If by true story you mean

[0:07] some of the lyrics of a George Michael song.

[0:30] Hey everyone and welcome to the Flophouse.

Dan McCoy

[0:39] I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:40] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:42] And I'm Elliot Kalin.

[0:44] And look who's here joining us.

[0:46] Look.

[0:47] Uh, hi! I'm Hallie Hacklin.

[0:50] That's it everybody.

[0:51] You know her from The Daily Show.

[0:54] You may know her from White Snacks Problem Areas.

[0:56] You may know her from being my office mate

[0:58] for four years.

[0:59] Or you probably know her best as the star of the Flophouse,

[1:02] Hallie Haglund.

[1:04] Woo!

Stuart Wellington

[1:06] Oh wow.

[1:08] Yeah, it looks like a bunch of people

[1:09] paid to have digital fans

[1:11] entered into the background to celebrate.

[1:15] I like that Hallie, you are such a popular guest

[1:19] that we don't even introduce you.

[1:21] We let you introduce yourself.

Hallie Haglund

[1:23] Alright.

[1:26] Well, me too.

[1:28] Now Hallie.

Dan McCoy

[1:30] Hallie.

[1:30] Yes.

[1:31] You know, you,

[1:32] it's no secret that you've had a problem

[1:34] with some of the other movies

[1:35] sometimes that we've made you watch

[1:37] for the podcast.

[1:38] Not so much the horror movies,

[1:40] but a lot of the more fantasy

[1:43] oriented,

[1:45] sort of the bull...

[1:46] Boo.

[1:47] The bullshit movies.

[1:47] For those who can't watch Hallie was giving a thumbs down.

Elliott Kalan

[1:50] That was a thumbs down movement from Hallie.

Hallie Haglund

[1:52] They were just boring.

[1:54] Yeah.

[1:54] Like, that's the problem.

[1:55] It's like they weren't even fun bad.

[1:57] They were just long and boring.

Elliott Kalan

[1:58] Well, which movies did we watch,

[2:00] did we have with you before?

[2:01] I've forgotten.

[2:02] Do you remember?

[2:03] One of them was The Dark Tower.

[2:03] Something about...

[2:05] Oh my, Dark Tower.

[2:06] That was definitely the worst.

[2:07] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[2:08] That was where the Upside Down world, right?

[2:11] That's a different one.

Elliott Kalan

[2:11] Oh yeah, I heard that one.

[2:12] That was called Upside Down, I think.

[2:14] That was called...

[2:14] Yeah.

[2:15] Dark Tower was the one where Matthew McConaughey

[2:16] was like,

[2:17] in my world,

[2:17] we don't have chicken.

Hallie Haglund

[2:19] Mm-hmm.

[2:19] Oh, yeah.

[2:21] Mm-hmm.

[2:22] Yeah, no.

[2:23] That was bad too.

Stuart Wellington

[2:24] No, I...

[2:25] Oh, didn't we do one of...

[2:26] I don't even remember that one.

[2:27] Didn't we do one of the

[2:27] Fifty Shades movies?

Hallie Haglund

[2:30] Yeah, yeah.

[2:31] Yeah, no, yeah.

[2:32] I feel like the one...

[2:33] My favorite of the ones we watched

[2:36] was the Zac Efron one.

Stuart Wellington

[2:37] Oh, yeah.

[2:38] That was the one where

[2:39] I wasn't on the episode,

[2:40] so that makes sense.

[2:41] That makes sense.

[2:41] Yeah, yeah.

[2:42] She had a great time.

[2:43] That makes no sense.

[2:43] It was so fun.

Elliott Kalan

[2:44] It was so fun.

Stuart Wellington

[2:45] I like super hot guys

[2:47] like Zac Efron too.

[2:49] I don't know why

[2:49] I wouldn't be included.

Elliott Kalan

[2:50] Now, listeners may not know,

[2:52] this is the first time

[2:53] we've had Hallie on the show

[2:54] since she moved

[2:56] to my hometown,

[2:57] Los Angeles.

[2:58] And let me just tell you,

[2:59] I was so excited

[3:00] when Hallie moved out there

[3:01] and I was like,

[3:01] this is going to be great.

[3:02] We're going to hang out

[3:02] all the time.

[3:03] And then some dumb germ

[3:04] had to come in

[3:05] and ruin those plans.

Hallie Haglund

[3:07] I mean, Elliot,

[3:08] you are literally

[3:09] the only people

[3:10] that we ever socialized with

[3:12] in Los Angeles.

Elliott Kalan

[3:14] Because you came over,

[3:15] you had moved in,

[3:15] what, like a couple days before

[3:17] or a week before

[3:17] when you came over?

Hallie Haglund

[3:20] Yeah.

[3:20] I think we had dinner

[3:22] at your house,

[3:23] like, yeah,

[3:23] maybe a week

[3:24] after we moved in

[3:25] and then L.A.

[3:26] shut down two weeks

[3:27] after we moved in.

Elliott Kalan

[3:29] Terrible.

[3:30] Well, you know what?

[3:31] It's just too bad

[3:32] our friendship is over now

[3:33] and we'll never have dinner again.

Stuart Wellington

[3:36] What do you guys do for dinner?

[3:38] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[3:39] Let's have a rundown.

[3:40] Do you have a menu?

Stuart Wellington

[3:41] What do you guys do for dinner

[3:42] with Elliot and Danielle?

Hallie Haglund

[3:44] Danielle cooked a lovely feast.

[3:46] She cooked kebabs,

[3:47] I believe,

[3:48] with a garlicky hummus.

Elliott Kalan

[3:51] The hummus was very garlicky.

[3:53] It was like,

[3:54] it was a little too vinegary

[3:56] or garlicky,

[3:57] but you could only have

[3:58] a little bit of it

[3:59] before your tongue

[4:00] jumped out of your mouth

[4:01] and said,

[4:02] no more please

[4:02] and ran away.

[4:04] I think you're speaking

[4:05] my language.

Stuart Wellington

[4:07] Yeah,

[4:07] that ruined the game

[4:08] of spin the bottle

[4:09] that was supposed

[4:09] to finish the meal.

Hallie Haglund

[4:11] Well,

[4:11] it was going to be

[4:12] that we were about

[4:12] to play with our

[4:13] three children.

Elliott Kalan

[4:16] It was going to be

[4:17] one of those,

[4:18] we were like,

[4:18] we live in la-la land now,

[4:20] time to put the kids

[4:21] to bed in one room

[4:22] and don't lock the door

[4:23] so that they can walk out

[4:24] and find us playing

[4:25] kind of creepy,

[4:27] weird adult games

[4:28] that we're finding

[4:29] uncomfortable too

[4:30] so that they can write

[4:31] about it in their memoirs

[4:32] about growing up

[4:33] in that crazy,

[4:33] holly-weird culture.

[4:34] But the garlic,

[4:35] yeah,

[4:35] it really put a damper on it.

Hallie Haglund

[4:37] Elliot just has like

[4:38] an empty goldfish bowl

[4:40] at the entrance to his house

[4:41] where you just drop your keys

[4:43] when you go in

[4:44] and that's how key parties work,

[4:47] right?

[4:47] I think so.

[4:48] I've only ever seen them

Dan McCoy

[4:49] in the movies.

[4:50] Thank God you took

[4:50] the goldfish out of that bowl

[4:52] because I remember

[4:52] the first key parties you had,

[4:54] people just dumping it

[4:55] and filling that bowl

[4:56] with keys.

[4:57] Well,

[4:57] the worst thing is

Elliott Kalan

[4:58] you reach in

[4:59] and you reach in,

[5:00] you fill it out of goldfish

[5:01] and you're like,

[5:02] I guess I'm doing it

[5:02] with this goldfish tonight.

[5:04] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[5:04] that's the worst part.

Stuart Wellington

[5:05] Yeah,

[5:05] and then like fucking

[5:06] Vince Clortho shows up

[5:08] ugh,

[5:08] okay.

Elliott Kalan

[5:10] I guess I pulled off

[5:12] the ritual,

[5:12] didn't even mean to.

Dan McCoy

[5:15] All right,

[5:16] well,

[5:17] what I was saying

[5:18] before though

[5:18] was just that

[5:19] we've tortured Hallie a lot

[5:20] so we decided to give her

[5:22] a little more.

[5:23] what do we do on this podcast?

[5:24] What do we do on this podcast?

[5:25] Okay,

Dan McCoy

[5:25] all right.

[5:25] Back to the,

[5:26] back to,

[5:27] everyone back to one.

[5:28] Rerack.

[5:29] On this podcast,

[5:31] we watch a bad movie

[5:32] or a movie that was,

[5:33] let's say,

[5:34] presumed bad

[5:35] by critics

[5:36] or audiences

[5:37] and then we talk about it

[5:39] and this time around,

[5:42] Hallie was given a list

[5:43] of things we were

[5:44] under consideration

[5:45] and she immediately

[5:46] came back

[5:47] within seconds

[5:48] with Last Christmas

[5:49] out of the list given.

[5:51] Yeah,

[5:52] which,

[5:52] you know,

[5:53] not surprising,

[5:54] but a good movie,

[5:55] one that I wanted to watch

[5:56] anyway for the show.

Hallie Haglund

[5:58] So not total freedom.

[5:59] I was given a list.

[6:00] That's true.

Elliott Kalan

[6:01] It wasn't.

[6:01] You weren't given total freedom.

[6:04] Da, da, da, da, da, da.

[6:05] Freedom.

[6:06] Da, da, da, da, da.

[6:08] Freedom.

[6:09] That's a George Michael song.

[6:10] So yeah, Dan,

[6:10] why don't you take those lies

Stuart Wellington

[6:11] and make them truths?

Elliott Kalan

[6:13] You know what I learned

[6:14] from this movie, guys?

[6:16] I'm jumping ahead.

[6:17] I never really listened

[6:18] to the lyrics

[6:18] of George Michael songs before

[6:19] so I didn't realize

[6:20] that they're all

[6:20] super depressing.

[6:22] I know.

Hallie Haglund

[6:23] It made me feel like

[6:24] he is so,

[6:25] he was so sad.

[6:26] We should have seen

[6:27] the tragic,

[6:29] untimely death coming.

Elliott Kalan

[6:30] Yeah,

[6:30] I never,

[6:31] I mean,

[6:31] everyone's death

[6:32] we should see coming

[6:33] at some point.

[6:33] Nobody escapes

[6:34] this life alive.

Stuart Wellington

[6:36] Except for Aslan Rex,

[6:38] the Dark Lord of Darkon.

Elliott Kalan

[6:40] Fair point.

[6:41] Fair point.

[6:41] You're right.

[6:42] I forgot about that.

[6:43] Very common.

[6:43] Although he is trapped

Stuart Wellington

[6:44] in his realm

[6:45] and can't leave

[6:45] because his phylactery

[6:46] keeps growing

[6:47] with every year.

[6:48] What a horrible fate

[6:49] for Aslan.

[6:50] Terrible.

Dan McCoy

[6:51] The Lord of Daikon?

[6:52] The Radish?

Stuart Wellington

[6:53] Yeah,

[6:54] he's the Lord of Daikon

[6:55] the Radish.

Elliott Kalan

[6:56] He's a radish-based lich.

[6:58] Radish,

[6:58] he lives inside a radish.

[7:00] But there's a scene

[7:01] we'll talk about,

[7:02] I guess,

[7:03] where they're on a date,

[7:04] they're ice skating

[7:05] to a George Michael song

[7:06] and the lyrics are all about

[7:07] how God turned his back

[7:08] on his children

[7:09] and his children have escaped

[7:10] and it was like,

[7:10] what is this song?

[7:12] This sad man?

[7:13] I felt so bad for him.

Dan McCoy

[7:15] Yeah.

[7:15] Okay.

[7:16] Well,

[7:16] Last Christmas.

[7:18] It's a romantic comedy.

[7:20] It has a good pedigree.

[7:23] Emma Thompson wrote it.

[7:25] Paul Feig directed it.

[7:27] It has Emma Thompson in it.

[7:28] It has Emilia Clarke

[7:29] of Game of Thrones

[7:30] as our lead

[7:32] and Henry Golding

[7:34] of Crazy Rich Asians

[7:37] is a very handsome man

[7:39] in both movies.

[7:40] I think you're leaving out

Elliott Kalan

[7:40] that international superstar

[7:42] Michelle Yeoh

[7:42] is in the movie.

[7:43] Yep.

Dan McCoy

[7:44] Patti LuPone shows up

[7:45] for one scene

[7:46] which seems weird.

Elliott Kalan

[7:48] What's weird is that

[7:49] Who is she?

[7:49] She was buying

[7:50] those little baby Jesuses

[7:53] in the store

[7:53] in the very beginning.

[7:54] Why?

[7:54] That was Broadway legend

[7:56] Patti LuPone.

[7:56] Patti LuPone?

Hallie Haglund

[7:57] Yeah.

[7:57] Oh, no.

[7:58] I'm thinking of Bernadette Peters.

[8:00] I was like,

[8:00] she looks different.

Elliott Kalan

[8:05] What happened

[8:05] to Bernadette Peters' face?

[8:06] Because she looks

[8:07] like Patti LuPone.

[8:10] She seems like

Hallie Haglund

[8:11] she'd still have

[8:12] a beautiful singing voice

[8:13] but a different kind

[8:15] of beautiful singing voice.

Elliott Kalan

[8:16] I thought it was very funny

[8:17] that Rob Delaney

[8:19] and Peter Serafinowicz

[8:20] are mentioned

[8:20] in the opening credits

[8:21] and they appear

[8:21] for roughly 45 seconds

[8:23] in the film.

[8:23] Oh, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[8:24] But, you know,

[8:25] all I'm saying

[8:25] there's a lot of talent

[8:26] behind this.

[8:27] One of the hosts

Elliott Kalan

[8:28] from the Great British Bake Off

[8:31] appears in a scene.

[8:33] That's true.

[8:33] Oh, wait, when?

[8:35] And she's in the ice audition.

Stuart Wellington

[8:38] Guys, it sounds like

[8:39] Elliot is trying

[8:41] to horn in

[8:41] on my job this time

[8:42] and just a summary

[8:43] and no way

[8:44] I am driving

[8:45] this fucking car today.

Elliott Kalan

[8:46] Okay, I won't even mention

[8:47] that Peter Meigen

[8:48] from the highest

[8:49] grossing Danish film ever,

[8:51] I think Flame and Citroen

[8:52] was also in it.

[8:53] Oh.

[8:54] Actually, you know what?

[8:54] Maybe it was just

[8:55] the biggest budget

[8:55] Danish film ever.

[8:56] Is he the father?

[8:57] Stuart's doing it

[8:58] and now I'm going

[8:59] to be done talking

[8:59] for most of the episode

[9:00] because Stuart's

[9:01] going to summarize.

[9:01] Stuart, take it away.

Stuart Wellington

[9:04] Okay, so before I get

[9:05] into the actual plot

[9:06] of the movie, guys,

[9:07] we have to address,

[9:08] I think, a kind of big

[9:09] part of this movie,

[9:10] which is there is

[9:12] a very crazy,

[9:13] in some ways,

[9:14] very obvious twist in it.

[9:16] Should we,

[9:17] are we going to just

[9:18] go along with the summary

[9:21] of the movie

[9:21] and get to the twist

[9:22] when it happens

[9:22] in the movie?

[9:23] Or should we just

[9:24] bring it up right now

[9:25] and talk about the movie

[9:26] in context of this crazy twist?

[9:28] A twist that many people

[9:29] just guessed

[9:30] as soon as the movie trailer

[9:31] hit the internet.

Hallie Haglund

[9:33] Okay, guess what?

[9:35] Apparently,

[9:36] so I had watched maybe,

[9:38] I had maybe like

[9:40] a half hour

[9:41] or to 45 minutes left

[9:42] and I put it on pause

[9:43] and I was just like

[9:46] going to the bathroom

[9:47] or something

[9:47] and then I walked

[9:48] past my husband

[9:48] and I was like,

[9:49] this movie is so good.

[9:51] I just don't know

[9:51] what's going to happen

[9:52] at the end.

[9:53] And he was like,

[9:53] I'm guessing it probably

[9:55] has something to do

[9:55] with like the second line

[9:57] of the song.

[9:59] And I was like,

[10:00] what?

[10:01] No, no,

[10:02] it's not going to be.

[10:04] And then.

Stuart Wellington

[10:07] So we're going to air

[10:08] this Dirty Laundry,

[10:10] which is not the song

[10:11] this is based on.

[10:12] This is a movie

[10:13] inspired by

[10:14] the Wham song

[10:14] Last Christmas,

[10:16] where the mysterious

[10:17] love interest

[10:17] is actually,

[10:19] I guess,

[10:19] a ghost of a man

[10:20] who donated his heart

[10:22] to our lead

[10:23] exactly one year ago

[10:25] when she was in need

[10:25] of a heart transplant.

[10:27] So it is as much

[10:28] like the first two lines

[10:29] of the song

[10:30] as you can imagine.

[10:31] Yeah.

[10:31] They don't ever,

[10:32] they don't talk about

[10:32] the third line of the song

[10:33] in which she would have

[10:34] just given that heart

[10:35] away the next day.

[10:36] Yeah.

[10:36] That would have been strange.

Elliott Kalan

[10:37] It would have been crazy

[10:37] because she would need it

[10:38] to live.

[10:39] She'd just like pull it

[10:40] out of her chest

[10:40] and give it to like,

[10:41] to,

[10:42] what's his name

[10:43] from Temple of Doom?

[10:44] To Mola Ram.

[10:44] Yeah,

[10:45] Mola Ram.

[10:46] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[10:46] Now,

[10:46] let me just say

[10:48] that there are

[10:49] metaphorical ways

[10:51] to read this twist

[10:53] that I actually kind of like

[10:56] and I may make an argument

[10:57] for later,

[10:58] but the movie makes it hard

[11:00] to make the metaphorical argument

[11:02] when there are things like

[11:03] she goes to places

[11:05] that only this guy

[11:06] would have known,

[11:07] which suggests

[11:08] that there's some sort of

[11:09] literal supernatural quality

[11:10] that receiving someone else's organ has.

[11:13] Just like in body parts.

[11:14] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[11:16] So,

[11:16] now that we got that

[11:17] out of the way,

[11:18] everybody lets out a...

[11:19] Wow.

Stuart Wellington

[11:19] Suspend your disbelief, people.

Elliott Kalan

[11:20] Now that we've spoiled the movie.

[11:22] Oh,

[11:23] guys,

[11:23] before we talk about

[11:24] this Sixth Sense movie,

[11:25] let's just mention,

[11:25] oh,

[11:25] he's also a ghost.

[11:27] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[11:28] So,

[11:28] guys,

[11:29] before we talk about...

[11:29] I guess I'm the only one

[11:30] who believes in love.

Elliott Kalan

[11:34] Before we talk about

[11:35] the ghost in Mrs. Muir,

[11:36] I should let you know

[11:36] the guy's a ghost.

[11:38] Well,

Hallie Haglund

[11:38] that was in the title.

[11:41] That wasn't even implied

[11:42] by the title,

[11:43] like this one.

Elliott Kalan

[11:44] Does that mean really

[11:45] if somebody went to see that movie

[11:46] and they got in

[11:47] after the opening credits

[11:48] and then they were like,

[11:49] at the end,

[11:49] like,

[11:49] he was a ghost.

Stuart Wellington

[11:52] I mean,

[11:52] guys,

[11:52] what is a ghost?

[11:54] Is it a tragedy

[11:55] condemned to repeat itself

[11:56] time and again?

[11:58] An incident of pain,

[11:59] perhaps?

[12:00] Something dead

[12:01] which still seems

[12:02] to be alive?

[12:03] Wait,

[12:03] what?

[12:03] An emotion

[12:04] suspended in time?

[12:05] I think the third one.

[12:06] Like a blurred photograph.

[12:08] Like an insect

[12:08] trapped in amber.

[12:11] Is that Tom Webster?

Dan McCoy

[12:14] What?

[12:14] So let's get into the movie.

[12:16] Wait,

[12:16] hold on,

[12:17] hold on.

[12:17] I must know,

[12:19] are you quoting something

[12:20] or did you just write that

[12:21] ahead of time?

Stuart Wellington

[12:23] It's the opening narration

[12:24] of Devil's Backbone,

[12:26] one of my favorite movies.

[12:27] Okay,

[12:27] so,

[12:27] we open with a church choir

[12:31] singing a,

[12:32] I can't tell if it's a

[12:33] George Michael song

[12:34] or a Wham song,

[12:35] but it is basically

[12:36] letting us know

[12:37] this is not our daddy's

[12:38] Christmas church choir

[12:40] performance.

Elliott Kalan

[12:41] Also,

[12:41] it's in Yugoslavia,

[12:42] so my dad's never been there.

[12:44] Yeah.

[12:44] Okay.

Hallie Haglund

[12:45] Yeah.

[12:45] Oh,

[12:45] I didn't,

[12:46] oh yeah,

[12:46] I guess.

[12:46] I've been there.

[12:47] My dad's been there.

[12:48] I've been,

[12:48] I've been there,

[12:49] you guys.

[12:49] If you have any questions,

[12:50] I've been there.

Elliott Kalan

[12:51] Was it like that?

[12:52] Well,

[12:52] was it like that

[12:52] when you were there?

[12:53] Was it just,

[12:53] was it just kids'

[12:54] church choirs?

Hallie Haglund

[12:57] Yeah.

[12:58] And there was sausage,

[12:59] I remember.

[13:00] I was like seven.

[13:02] Okay.

[13:02] I ate a sausage

[13:03] and then children's choirs.

Stuart Wellington

[13:06] Okay.

[13:07] So let me start over.

[13:08] It opens with a church choir

[13:09] singing a George Michael

[13:10] or possibly Wham song

[13:11] in a Yugoslavian church.

[13:12] And that goes to show

[13:13] that this is

[13:14] Hallie's father's

[13:16] or Hallie's daddy's

[13:17] church choir performance.

[13:20] And I would just mention

Elliott Kalan

[13:20] Stuart was accurate with me.

[13:22] It was not my dad's

[13:23] church choir performance.

[13:23] Being Jewish,

[13:24] he was not,

[13:24] didn't go to church,

[13:25] wasn't in a choir.

[13:26] And again,

[13:26] as stated,

[13:27] has never been to Yugoslavia.

Hallie Haglund

[13:28] I just want to clarify

[13:30] in case there's any confusion,

[13:32] my dad is actually in a choir

[13:34] and it is nothing like this.

[13:36] So the way that,

[13:37] that statement was phrased,

[13:38] there might be some confusion.

[13:40] I don't want anyone

[13:40] to confuse it

[13:41] with the Colorado Chamber Choir.

Elliott Kalan

[13:44] So Stuart should have said

[13:45] this is in some ways

[13:47] like Hallie's daddy's

[13:49] church choir.

[13:50] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[13:51] Okay.

[13:51] So we are introduced

[13:52] to Katarina,

[13:53] a young Yugoslavian girl

[13:55] who is singing the lead

[13:56] or solo of this song.

[13:57] And her mother,

[13:59] played by Emma Thompson,

[14:00] is in the,

[14:01] I guess,

[14:02] audience or the congregation

[14:03] watching and loving

[14:04] every minute of it.

[14:06] Flash forward to 2017.

[14:08] That was in 1999.

Elliott Kalan

[14:09] That last,

[14:09] that last part.

[14:11] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[14:12] Cool.

[14:12] Good,

[14:12] good,

[14:13] good point.

[14:14] That little girl,

[14:15] that little girl

[14:16] is all grown up now

[14:17] and singing the same song

[14:19] alone in a bar

[14:20] drowning her sorrows.

[14:22] Yeah.

[14:22] We learn through

[14:23] a conversation

[14:24] with a potential suitor

[14:26] that she has family troubles,

[14:27] she loves George Michael.

[14:28] We learn she's living

[14:29] out of a suitcase

[14:30] and after some flirting,

[14:31] she goes home

[14:32] with this fellow.

[14:33] Wait,

[14:33] I have a question.

[14:34] Yeah,

[14:34] of course.

Hallie Haglund

[14:34] Can I ask a question?

[14:35] That actor,

[14:36] what is he from?

[14:38] He looked so familiar.

[14:39] Last Christmas.

[14:39] He's from this movie.

[14:41] Oh,

Dan McCoy

[14:42] thanks.

[14:43] Dan,

Dan McCoy

[14:43] Dan,

[14:43] you want to hit the internet

[14:45] and find out?

[14:45] Well,

[14:46] I do want to,

[14:47] as long as we're talking

[14:48] about actors,

[14:49] just off the top,

[14:50] our lead,

[14:51] our adult version

[14:53] of that young girl

[14:53] is,

[14:54] of course,

[14:54] Amelia Clark,

[14:56] who you may know

[14:56] from Game of Thrones

[14:58] or the Terminator Genis.

[15:00] But you did not know

[15:02] her like this.

[15:03] Solo,

[15:03] Star Wars story?

[15:04] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[15:05] I liked her quite a bit.

[15:08] She's really good in this.

[15:09] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[15:09] She is so charming.

[15:11] Who knew she had

[15:12] that dimension?

Elliott Kalan

[15:14] It makes me feel like

[15:15] she was,

[15:16] I never really,

[15:17] I didn't think she was bad

[15:18] as Daenerys,

[15:18] but I didn't love her

[15:20] as Daenerys,

[15:20] but I think she's great in this.

[15:21] And it's like,

[15:21] oh,

[15:22] because she's got like

[15:22] a sparkle to her

[15:23] that the Game of Thrones

[15:24] couldn't take advantage of.

Dan McCoy

[15:25] I think she is very ill-served

[15:27] by like the sort of solemn roles

[15:29] that she's been forced

[15:30] to take so far

[15:31] because I think that she has

[15:31] a real like talent

[15:33] for light comedy

[15:34] and a charm.

[15:35] And yeah,

[15:35] I liked her a lot.

Stuart Wellington

[15:37] So,

[15:38] she goes home

[15:39] with this fellow

[15:40] and that initial bliss

[15:42] is ruined

[15:43] because it turns out

[15:44] her new friend

[15:45] is married

[15:46] and she is

[15:47] out on the streets again.

[15:49] She's a bit of a mess.

[15:51] She works at a,

[15:52] what is this,

[15:53] a year-round Christmas store

[15:54] called,

[15:54] what,

[15:55] Yuletide?

[15:57] Where she has a dress

[15:58] as an elf

[15:58] and she has

[15:59] ho, ho, ho

[16:00] written on her hand

[16:01] as a note,

[16:01] which I thought

[16:02] was a pretty

[16:02] kind of funny touch.

[16:04] Like the kind of note

[16:05] you'd write yourself

[16:06] to remember

[16:07] I gotta remember

[16:08] to say ho, ho, ho.

[16:09] We're introduced

[16:12] to her boss,

[16:12] Santa,

[16:14] who is played

[16:14] by the always

[16:15] incredible Michelle Yeoh,

[16:17] who is like this

[16:18] tough but fair

[16:19] character,

[16:21] though we learn

[16:22] later on that

[16:22] Santa is just

[16:23] an adopted name

[16:24] and that she

[16:24] picks a different

[16:25] name related

[16:26] to whatever

[16:26] business she's working.

Elliott Kalan

[16:28] That's one of those

[16:29] little moments

[16:29] where I was like,

[16:30] yeah,

[16:30] I didn't think

[16:30] you needed

[16:31] to explain that movie.

[16:32] Like,

[16:32] I didn't really

[16:32] think her name,

[16:33] her birth name

[16:34] was Santa.

[16:35] Like,

[16:35] that seems,

[16:36] I think you just

[16:37] take it for granted

[16:37] that the person

[16:38] who runs

[16:38] a Christmas store

[16:39] is just gonna

[16:39] take the name

[16:40] Santa.

[16:40] It wasn't like,

[16:41] well,

[16:41] why did my parents

[16:42] curse me with

[16:43] the name Santa?

[16:44] Now all I can do

[16:44] is run a Christmas store.

Dan McCoy

[16:46] I also want to say

[16:47] that Audrey yelled

[16:49] aloud every time

[16:51] Santa was wearing

[16:52] a new outfit.

[16:54] So,

[16:54] as someone who

[16:55] doesn't

[16:56] necessarily

[16:56] always pay

[16:57] the most

[16:57] attention

[16:58] to clothes

[16:58] in movies,

[16:59] I just wanted

[16:59] to note

[17:00] that

[17:01] that was

[17:02] an A-plus

[17:03] ensemble

[17:04] factory from her

[17:05] was the general

[17:07] thought.

Stuart Wellington

[17:08] Yeah,

[17:09] I mean,

[17:09] Michelle Yeoh

[17:10] is one of those

[17:11] performers who can

[17:12] kind of do no wrong

[17:13] in my eyes,

[17:13] so,

[17:14] yeah.

[17:15] Any moment

[17:15] she's on screen

[17:16] is a win for me.

[17:18] So,

[17:18] this scene,

[17:19] this like,

[17:19] kind of first day

[17:20] of work we see,

[17:20] it kind of introduces

[17:21] three main plot points.

[17:23] The first,

[17:24] her sister Marta,

[17:25] who's kind of the

[17:26] like stuffy sister,

[17:27] visits and guilt trips

[17:29] her into visiting

[17:29] their parents,

[17:30] you know,

[17:31] that family stress.

[17:33] At one point,

[17:34] she is distracted

[17:35] by a well-dressed

[17:36] hottie,

[17:37] Tom,

[17:38] played by Henry Golding,

[17:39] and then a bird

[17:40] shits in her eye.

[17:42] Big shit.

Dan McCoy

[17:44] And then,

[17:44] yeah,

[17:45] yeah,

[17:45] yeah.

[17:45] I want to say

[17:46] that both,

[17:48] for reasons

[17:49] that will become

[17:50] clear later in the movie,

[17:51] obviously,

[17:52] when the twist arrives,

[17:53] but also,

[17:54] like,

[17:54] just because of

[17:54] Henry Golding's

[17:56] gentle demeanor,

[17:57] it is kind of baffling

[17:58] the degree to which

[17:59] she seems off-put

[18:02] by him.

[18:03] At the,

[18:03] like,

[18:03] she,

[18:04] like,

[18:04] continually talks about

[18:05] how weird he is

[18:06] when he is a

[18:07] perfectly normal-looking

[18:08] man,

[18:09] and handsome

[18:10] and polite

[18:11] and quiet.

[18:12] Like,

[18:12] he's not doing anything

[18:13] for her,

[18:14] like,

[18:15] giant reaction,

[18:16] I guess,

[18:17] is what I'm saying.

Elliott Kalan

[18:18] I think that we're

[18:19] supposed to take from it

[18:20] that she is so used to

[18:21] kind of losers

[18:23] and bad boys

[18:25] that someone who is

[18:26] nice is taken as weird.

[18:29] But also,

[18:29] like,

[18:30] he is,

[18:31] eventually,

[18:31] he is kind of weird.

[18:32] He's one of those guys

[18:33] who's like,

[18:33] let me show you all my

[18:34] favorite hidden corners

[18:35] of the city.

[18:36] No,

[18:37] he does get a little weird.

[18:38] Another tour date.

Hallie Haglund

[18:39] I would also say,

[18:40] I would also say,

[18:41] I think it had to do

[18:42] with her embarrassment

[18:43] by getting pooped

[18:44] on a bird in front of him

[18:45] because,

[18:45] if you remember,

[18:46] when she first saw him,

[18:47] she was,

[18:47] like,

[18:48] dusting the little

[18:49] Christmas ornaments

[18:50] and looked through the window

[18:51] and was like,

[18:51] hmm,

[18:53] me like ye.

[18:54] And then,

[18:55] she went outside,

[18:56] got pooped on a bird,

[18:57] and then after that,

[18:58] she was like,

[18:58] you're so weird,

[18:59] get away from me.

[18:59] And I was like,

[19:00] you liked him.

Elliott Kalan

[19:01] The weird thing is,

[19:02] to me,

[19:02] he gets weirder and weirder

[19:03] throughout the movie

[19:04] as his interest in her

[19:06] clearly gets less

[19:07] and less romantic

[19:08] and more and more

[19:09] therapeutic

[19:09] as the movie goes on.

[19:11] That was what I was like.

[19:12] I was like,

[19:12] so you've got to be a ghost

[19:14] because why else are you,

[19:15] I don't understand

[19:16] why you're looking

[19:16] for this relationship

[19:17] right now.

[19:17] Well,

Elliott Kalan

[19:17] I mean,

[19:18] she's a,

Stuart Wellington

[19:18] Stop describing

[19:19] all my relationships,

[19:20] Elliot.

[19:21] I know,

Elliott Kalan

[19:22] you're really into

[19:23] wounded birds

[19:23] that you can pick up

[19:24] and heal

[19:25] and put them back

[19:25] in their nest.

Dan McCoy

[19:26] Well,

[19:26] I mean,

[19:27] this character is,

[19:28] like,

[19:28] a manic pixie dream guy

[19:30] in that,

[19:31] like,

[19:31] he is literally

[19:32] just showing up

[19:32] to improve

[19:34] our main character's

[19:35] life

[19:36] for reasons

[19:37] that make more sense.

Hallie Haglund

[19:38] were you guys offended

[19:40] by that?

[19:41] Oh,

[19:41] not a,

[19:41] as men?

[19:45] To see men

[19:46] portrayed that way

[19:47] on screen?

Elliott Kalan

[19:47] I was like,

[19:48] finally,

[19:48] someone's telling

[19:49] my story.

[19:50] I don't know.

Dan McCoy

[19:51] I knew that he was

[19:52] a manifestation

[19:53] of her psyche,

[19:54] so it didn't

[19:55] really bother me

[19:56] that much,

[19:57] but I will,

[19:57] I will say

[19:58] that I was

[19:59] kind of relieved

[20:01] that I knew

[20:02] that he was

[20:02] a manifestation

[20:02] of her psyche

[20:03] because I was like,

[20:05] well,

[20:05] if he's a real man,

[20:07] like,

[20:08] this would not be

[20:09] a healthy relationship

[20:10] between the two

[20:11] of them over time.

Elliott Kalan

[20:12] No,

[20:12] not at all.

Dan McCoy

[20:13] He would just be,

[20:14] like,

[20:14] a font of wisdom,

[20:15] like,

[20:16] for her,

[20:17] and that would be

[20:17] all of it,

[20:18] and,

[20:18] like,

[20:18] she would grow

[20:19] dependent on it.

[20:20] Like,

[20:20] it would not be

[20:21] a good thing.

[20:22] Or because he helped her

Stuart Wellington

[20:24] through that trauma,

[20:26] she would always

[20:27] associate him

[20:28] with that trauma,

[20:28] and then that would

[20:29] poison their relationship.

Elliott Kalan

[20:30] Yeah.

[20:31] Yeah,

[20:31] the relationship

[20:31] will be built

[20:32] on a feeling

[20:33] of obligation.

[20:36] You helped me

[20:36] through this hard time,

[20:37] so now I guess

[20:37] I have to be with you.

[20:39] It's kind of like

[20:40] Zazie Beetz in Joker,

[20:42] where as I was watching

[20:43] it,

[20:43] I was like,

[20:43] this character

[20:44] better be a figment

[20:44] of his imagination

[20:45] because if not,

[20:46] her actions

[20:47] make no sense

[20:48] as human behavior,

[20:50] you know.

Hallie Haglund

[20:51] Like that she was

[20:52] interested in him

[20:53] at all?

Elliott Kalan

[20:54] Yes,

[20:54] exactly.

[20:54] This crazy weirdo

[20:56] who has a body

[20:57] like Christian Bale

[20:58] and the Machinist?

[20:59] Yeah,

[20:59] definitely.

Stuart Wellington

[21:03] It's all sharp corners

[21:05] on that guy.

[21:06] So,

[21:06] and then,

[21:07] so of course,

[21:08] as I said,

[21:09] we have our little

[21:10] meet-cute,

[21:11] she meets Tom,

[21:12] who again,

[21:13] let me,

[21:13] I can't stress this enough,

[21:14] is a ghost.

[21:16] And then,

[21:16] the last make-

[21:18] I didn't know,

[21:18] I didn't know.

[21:19] If you watch it

Hallie Haglund

[21:20] and you didn't know,

[21:22] no shame.

[21:22] I'm not saying

Stuart Wellington

[21:23] that it's obvious

[21:23] like,

[21:24] while she's talking

[21:25] to him,

[21:25] her hand passes

[21:26] through his fucking

[21:27] ectoplasm or some shit.

[21:28] You know what it's,

[21:29] you know,

Hallie Haglund

[21:29] she reached out

[21:31] to embrace him

[21:32] and fell on the street.

[21:34] Yeah,

Elliott Kalan

[21:34] the part where,

[21:34] that's not word shit,

[21:35] it's ectoplasm.

[21:36] The part where she,

[21:37] she touched him

[21:38] and her hand passed

[21:39] through and she felt

[21:40] the chill of the grave

[21:41] in her bones.

[21:42] You know,

Dan McCoy

[21:44] Stuart,

[21:44] you're saying

[21:45] I can't stress this enough

[21:46] of he's a ghost.

[21:47] To me,

[21:47] it sounded like

[21:48] you were trying to like

[21:49] set Hallie up

[21:50] with someone,

[21:51] for instance,

[21:51] and we're like,

[21:52] he's a very nice guy,

[21:54] handsome,

[21:55] he's got a job.

[21:55] I cannot stress this enough,

[21:57] he is a ghost.

[22:00] Like,

[22:01] you will not be with him

[22:02] long term,

[22:03] he will be called

[22:03] to the other side.

[22:04] Anyway,

[22:05] sorry.

Elliott Kalan

[22:05] I will say,

[22:06] if he was not a ghost,

[22:07] it does risk

[22:08] falling into the stereotype

[22:09] of the kind of like

[22:10] sexless Asian man,

[22:12] which,

[22:13] him being a ghost

[22:14] who doesn't exist

[22:15] and is just her heart

[22:16] telling her to be

[22:17] a better person

[22:18] makes a little bit okay,

[22:19] but,

[22:19] you know.

Hallie Haglund

[22:20] But she was into him,

[22:22] so I think it avoids that.

[22:23] She was into him.

[22:23] Because she was attracted to him.

Elliott Kalan

[22:25] That's true,

[22:25] but he was very like,

[22:26] it was one of those things

[22:26] where she's like,

[22:27] come sleep with me,

[22:28] and he's like,

[22:28] no,

[22:29] I can't,

[22:30] we barely know each other,

[22:31] and it's like,

[22:32] alright,

[22:33] that was one of the moments

[22:34] where I was like,

[22:34] this dude better be a ghost.

[22:36] Do you guys know

[22:37] what this means?

[22:38] What's that?

Hallie Haglund

[22:39] It means I finally saw a ghost.

Elliott Kalan

[22:42] Aww,

[22:42] Hallie,

[22:43] we did it.

[22:43] It's a Christmas miracle.

[22:47] Literally.

Dan McCoy

[22:49] Hallie,

[22:49] they just did like

[22:50] a little ta-da motion.

Stuart Wellington

[22:53] Okay,

[22:54] and then the last plot point

[22:55] we deal with

[22:56] on that first day of work

[22:57] is we find out

[22:58] that Santa

[22:59] has a mysterious relationship

[23:00] with a distinguished looking

[23:02] Colin Firth

[23:03] German type guy.

[23:05] Danish.

[23:05] A Danish shirt,

[23:07] and at some point,

[23:08] eventually she helps,

[23:10] you know,

[23:10] a couple scenes later

[23:11] she's gonna help

[23:11] Santa get that date

[23:13] with that fella.

Hallie Haglund

[23:14] Colin Firth

[23:15] is way hotter

[23:16] than that guy.

[23:17] I think that's...

[23:18] Oh, okay.

[23:19] Yeah.

[23:19] The guy is also,

Elliott Kalan

[23:20] he is a little weird

[23:21] in that he is obsessed

[23:22] with Christmas trinkets,

[23:24] and there's part of me

[23:25] that's like,

[23:25] where he keeps presenting them

[23:26] as like,

[23:27] this is what you're into,

[23:28] right?

[23:28] And I wanted to see

[23:29] the scene where

[23:30] Michelle Yeoh was like,

[23:31] okay,

[23:31] straight talk.

[23:32] I just do this

[23:33] for a living.

[23:34] I'm like,

[23:34] not really into

[23:35] Christmas novelty crap.

[23:37] Like,

[23:37] you don't have to keep

[23:38] bringing me

[23:38] lots of Christmas stuff,

[23:40] but we don't get

[23:40] to see that scene.

Hallie Haglund

[23:41] No,

[23:41] he's into cabbage.

[23:43] He's into sauerkraut.

[23:44] Well,

[23:44] his family is a sauerkraut family.

Dan McCoy

[23:46] Yeah.

[23:46] I do want to say,

[23:47] also,

[23:47] I think it bears noting

[23:49] that these scenes

[23:50] between the two of them

[23:51] are played

[23:53] broadly comic,

[23:55] but I found it

[23:56] genuinely funny

[23:56] where they immediately

[23:58] are dumbstruck

[23:59] with one another

[24:00] and cannot say anything

[24:02] without huge pregnant pauses

[24:03] in between them

[24:04] and gazing into each other's eyes

[24:06] and not breaking eye contact.

[24:08] So that's the gag

[24:09] of those scenes.

Stuart Wellington

[24:10] Yeah.

[24:11] It's funny

[24:12] and it also keeps

[24:13] the romantic pressure

[24:14] on the movie.

[24:15] So,

[24:15] Kate leaves work

[24:17] and rushes to perform

[24:18] in an audition.

[24:19] She has a couple of these

[24:20] throughout the movie

[24:21] where she performs

[24:23] and Peter Zarafinowicz

[24:24] is mean to her.

[24:26] She's trying to be a singer,

[24:27] right?

[24:27] That's the whole deal.

[24:29] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[24:30] But she has not been able

[24:31] to sing since

[24:32] who knows at this point.

[24:34] She sounded bad.

Hallie Haglund

[24:35] At this audition,

[24:36] she did not sound good, guys.

[24:38] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[24:40] Wow.

[24:40] This was not your daddy's...

[24:42] We should have gotten Hallie

[24:42] in the panel of judges on that.

Elliott Kalan

[24:45] Hallie would have been like,

[24:46] pitchy, dog.

[24:47] Very pitchy.

[24:49] I'll go there.

Stuart Wellington

[24:52] Yeah, that's why

[24:53] they bring you into the room.

[24:54] They need somebody

[24:55] who does the straight talk.

Elliott Kalan

[24:58] Now that James Woods

[24:59] has been canceled.

[25:01] I want to see Hallie

[25:02] Hacklund so badly

[25:03] on the voice

[25:04] and her just to be like,

[25:05] that was not good.

[25:06] And then no other,

[25:07] no other commentary.

[25:10] Or if someone blows them away,

[25:11] she's just like,

[25:12] that was good.

Stuart Wellington

[25:15] So she keeps bumping

[25:17] into Tom.

[25:18] He's,

[25:18] he behaves mysteriously.

[25:20] He is vague

[25:22] about his lifestyle

[25:23] and where he lives.

[25:24] He describes his own behavior

[25:26] as kind of serial killer-y,

[25:29] which I guess is meant to like,

[25:30] what,

[25:30] hang a lantern on it.

[25:32] And then he takes her

[25:33] to his secret garden

[25:34] and they sit on a bench.

Dan McCoy

[25:35] Yeah, which is one of the many things

[25:37] in here that does not make sense

[25:38] if this is a manifestation

[25:41] simply of her consciousness

[25:42] because like,

[25:44] how does she know

[25:45] about this secret bench

[25:46] which turns out to be a bench

[25:47] that was donated

[25:47] in his honor

[25:48] like at the end of the movie

[25:50] unless the heart

[25:52] inside her,

[25:53] the organ

[25:54] still has some sort

[25:55] of sentience.

Elliott Kalan

[25:57] Yeah.

[25:58] Now it's possible,

[25:59] it's possible she fell asleep

[26:00] while watching a show

[26:01] called like Britain's,

[26:02] like London's

[26:03] Hidden Secrets

[26:04] and then just absorbed it

[26:05] subconsciously.

[26:06] But I think it was that

[26:07] a ghost took her there.

[26:08] Hallie,

[26:08] what do you think?

Hallie Haglund

[26:09] Yeah,

[26:10] I don't understand,

[26:11] Dan,

[26:11] why you're so committed

[26:13] to this being a manifestation

[26:15] of her like,

[26:16] like emotional needs

[26:19] when you make us watch

[26:21] all these fucking stupid movies

[26:23] that are all fantastical

[26:24] about like other dimensions.

[26:26] Like,

[26:26] can't it just be

[26:27] a supernatural intervention?

Dan McCoy

[26:30] Well,

[26:31] I guess because I don't like that

[26:34] as much.

[26:34] Like that's,

[26:35] that sort of

[26:38] buys into this notion

[26:40] that,

[26:40] you know,

[26:41] there is going to be

[26:42] some sort of intervention

[26:43] in your life

[26:43] and that's what you need

[26:44] to change.

[26:45] Whereas,

[26:47] I think you can read

[26:48] this movie

[26:49] metaphorically,

[26:51] if not literally,

[26:52] as like,

[26:53] this is her

[26:54] helping herself

[26:55] because that person

[26:56] is not

[26:57] actually there.

[26:58] And I find the movie

[26:59] more interesting

[27:00] as a light comedy

[27:03] drama

[27:04] about like

[27:05] figuring out

[27:07] how to come through

[27:07] depression and trauma.

[27:09] than like

[27:10] a romantic comedy

[27:11] where,

[27:12] you know,

[27:12] like the guy

[27:13] is just

[27:14] an angel

[27:15] or something,

[27:15] you know?

Elliott Kalan

[27:16] I mean,

[27:16] he's not,

[27:17] one,

[27:17] he's a ghost.

[27:18] Two.

Dan McCoy

[27:19] I'm saying

[27:20] that type of movie.

Elliott Kalan

[27:21] I'm curious,

[27:22] Dan,

[27:22] do you feel

[27:23] it is less

[27:24] sophisticated

[27:24] as a story

[27:26] if it is a,

[27:27] if it literally

[27:27] has a literal ghost

[27:28] than if it is

[27:29] a metaphorical ghost

[27:30] who just represents

[27:31] her inner thoughts

[27:32] and feelings?

Dan McCoy

[27:33] No,

[27:34] what I'm saying,

[27:35] I'm fine with

[27:36] it being a ghost story

[27:38] where the ghost

[27:38] is a metaphor

[27:40] for that.

[27:41] If it's a reading

[27:42] where it's like

[27:43] just supernatural

[27:44] intervention,

[27:46] like,

[27:47] that I don't care for.

Elliott Kalan

[27:48] Well,

[27:49] can it be both?

[27:49] Can it literally

[27:50] be supernatural

[27:50] intervention,

[27:51] but you,

[27:51] the viewer,

[27:52] are taking it

[27:53] as a metaphor

[27:54] for your own life

[27:54] since if you

[27:55] watch the movie

[27:56] oh,

[27:56] well,

[27:56] I better wait

[27:57] for a ghost

[27:57] to tell me

[27:58] what to do,

[27:58] that would be

[27:59] not a reasonable

[28:01] reaction to a movie.

[28:01] Elliot,

[28:01] we are saying

Dan McCoy

[28:02] exactly the same thing.

[28:03] I'm saying that

[28:04] I can take it

[28:08] both supernaturally

[28:10] and as a metaphor.

[28:11] I can take it

[28:12] as that way,

[28:13] but if someone

[28:13] simply takes it

[28:15] as supernatural,

[28:16] I do not like that.

Elliott Kalan

[28:18] So you're saying

[28:19] for a smart person

[28:20] like you

[28:20] who can read it

[28:21] at both levels,

[28:22] it's a good movie,

[28:22] but for a dumb-dumb

[28:24] who's like,

[28:24] g-g-ghosts,

[28:25] okay,

[28:26] I thought they were scary,

[28:27] but now I know

[28:28] they're good

[28:28] and they'll help

[28:29] me with my problems.

[28:30] you think it's bad

[28:31] for them.

[28:32] you're going to

Dan McCoy

[28:32] bring out your

[28:33] poison pen

[28:34] for the takedown

[28:35] on this one.

Elliott Kalan

[28:37] No,

[28:37] no,

[28:37] I think you're

[28:39] splitting a hair

[28:39] that you might not

[28:40] need to be splitting.

Dan McCoy

[28:41] Well,

[28:42] I mean,

[28:42] it's the hair

[28:43] that I need to split

[28:44] in my own mind.

[28:45] You're telling me

[28:46] I don't need to split it.

[28:48] That's a mind hair.

[28:49] I've got to split things

[28:50] sometimes.

[28:50] As long as you know

[28:51] you're splitting for yourself.

[28:53] Everybody's got to split.

Stuart Wellington

[28:54] We're talking about splitting.

[28:58] Now that we're talking

[28:58] about splitting,

[28:59] let's talk about how

[29:00] Kate splits

[29:01] hanging out with Tom

[29:02] and goes to live with her,

[29:03] goes to stay with some friends,

[29:04] but her like quirky,

[29:06] selfish bullshit

[29:07] just keeps ruining

[29:08] her relationships.

[29:10] She destroys this poor guy's

[29:11] fucking model collection

[29:12] and that is a bridge

[29:13] too far for me.

Elliott Kalan

[29:16] Was that when you turned on Kate

[29:19] when you saw that she ruined

[29:21] not one but two

[29:22] of his craft projects?

Stuart Wellington

[29:24] Exactly.

[29:24] Yeah.

[29:26] What I did was

[29:27] I turned to my cat Meatball

[29:28] who's been knocking

[29:29] my stuff off my shelves

[29:30] and I said,

[29:31] that's you.

[29:32] You're that.

[29:33] You're horrible.

Dan McCoy

[29:34] So at this point

[29:35] this became a horror story

[29:36] for you

[29:37] because you're like,

[29:37] okay,

[29:38] it's a ghost

[29:38] and a demon woman

[29:40] teaming up together.

[29:41] Tariq,

[29:42] God knows what happened

[29:42] what havoc on crafts

[29:44] across London.

Elliott Kalan

[29:46] Now,

[29:47] I don't know if you guys noticed

[29:47] there's a little story

[29:48] within a story where

[29:49] so she's staying with her

[29:50] pregnant friend

[29:51] and her friend's husband

[29:53] and one thing I will give

[29:54] this movie credit for

[29:55] is that this is maybe

[29:56] the most multi-ethnic cast

[29:57] in a London set movie

[29:59] that I've seen

[30:00] in maybe ever

[30:01] and I really liked

[30:02] that they were taking advantage

[30:03] of the fact that London

[30:04] is a diverse city

[30:05] but that she ruins his,

[30:08] they flashback,

[30:09] her friend is pregnant

[30:10] and they flashback

[30:11] to nine months ago

[30:12] when she ruined

[30:13] her friend's husband's

[30:14] model ship

[30:15] and I think the assumption

[30:16] is that he was so distraught

[30:18] that her friend

[30:18] had to have sex with him

[30:19] to make him,

[30:20] to like take his mind

[30:21] off of it

[30:21] and got pregnant

[30:22] and now they're gonna

[30:23] have the baby.

[30:24] So that baby owes its life

[30:25] to Kate ruining

[30:27] that model ship

[30:27] and that's a trade-off

[30:28] I'm willing to make.

[30:29] People over ships,

[30:30] that's what I say.

[30:31] People over hobbies,

[30:32] you know.

Stuart Wellington

[30:33] I don't know if I agree

[30:34] with that but that's fine.

[30:35] We can be different.

Elliott Kalan

[30:36] Seeing as I'm a parent

[30:36] and now have no hobbies,

[30:38] I really use people

[30:38] over hobbies in my life.

Stuart Wellington

[30:40] So,

[30:40] uh,

[30:41] now when you-

Hallie Haglund

[30:42] I think of parenting

[30:43] as a hobby.

Elliott Kalan

[30:45] It's the toughest hobby

[30:46] you'll ever love.

[30:48] You're like,

[30:48] and I can pick it up

[30:49] and put it down

[30:49] whenever I feel like it.

[30:51] My career is,

[30:52] I've been working on this child

Hallie Haglund

[30:54] for at least a year

[30:55] and he's still not done

[30:56] one of these days.

Stuart Wellington

[31:01] Yeah, I mean,

[31:01] until you start making money

[31:02] off being a parent,

[31:03] you're still an amateur.

Elliott Kalan

[31:05] But it also raises a question.

[31:07] So, Stuart,

[31:07] if your models got destroyed,

[31:09] would human intimacy

[31:11] make up for that

[31:12] or would you be like,

[31:13] no, no,

[31:14] get away from me.

[31:14] This isn't,

[31:15] this doesn't do the same thing.

Stuart Wellington

[31:16] Yeah, yeah,

[31:17] that's basically,

[31:17] I think that's kind of the plot

[31:19] of the 40-year-old virgin,

[31:20] right?

[31:22] Okay,

[31:22] so, uh,

[31:24] she returns to work

[31:26] but it appears that somebody

[31:27] has broken into Yuletide,

[31:29] the Xmas store that she works at.

[31:31] Uh,

[31:31] that's me reading my notes directly

[31:33] because I wrote Xmas down.

[31:37] Fine.

[31:37] Uh,

[31:38] and so,

[31:38] uh,

[31:39] Santa is talking to the police

[31:40] and after the police,

[31:42] uh,

[31:43] leave,

[31:43] Santa reveals that

[31:45] she had to fake the break-in,

[31:46] Kate had forgotten to lock up,

[31:48] and that she made Santa

[31:49] commit a crime

[31:50] to cover for her.

[31:52] Uh,

[31:53] so she really let Santa down.

Dan McCoy

[31:55] Yeah,

[31:55] I mean,

[31:55] the real Santa commits,

[31:57] you know,

[31:57] hundreds of thousands of crimes

[31:58] every year.

[32:00] Just so much breaking and entering.

Elliott Kalan

[32:02] Trespassing,

[32:03] hate crimes,

[32:04] lots of stuff,

[32:05] yeah.

[32:05] Yeah, yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[32:06] He's kind of broken a window

[32:08] now and then.

[32:09] They've got to assume

Elliott Kalan

[32:09] that there's a chimney

[32:10] that's too narrow

[32:11] uh,

[32:12] they'll love these toys,

[32:13] I'll just smash this window

[32:14] and get in.

[32:15] And then he's like,

[32:15] ooh,

[32:16] look at this jewelry

[32:16] and this computer,

[32:17] they shouldn't have left

[32:18] that lying around.

[32:19] I'll just put that

[32:20] into Santa's little sack

[32:21] and you know what,

[32:21] I'll keep the toys too.

Dan McCoy

[32:23] This would look lovely

Elliott Kalan

[32:25] on Mrs. Claus.

[32:25] It's a fair trade

Dan McCoy

[32:26] for all the toys

[32:27] I've handed out over the years.

[32:29] Santa deserves

[32:29] to wear his beak a little.

Elliott Kalan

[32:32] It's time for Santa

[32:32] to get his beak wet

[32:33] and then the homeowner

[32:34] is like,

[32:35] Santa,

[32:35] what are you doing here?

[32:36] And Santa's like,

[32:36] get away

[32:37] and shoots the homeowner.

[32:38] And then,

[32:38] like that's.

[32:39] And the homeowner's like,

Stuart Wellington

[32:40] it's fair,

[32:41] it's the purge.

Elliott Kalan

[32:43] Oh yeah,

[32:44] I forgot that Christmas Eve

[32:45] is the purge night also.

[32:46] Yeah.

[32:48] Oh,

[32:48] okay.

[32:49] So.

[32:49] Santa's just throwing bombs

[32:50] at people's houses.

[32:51] It's purge night.

[32:52] Don't worry about me.

Stuart Wellington

[32:54] So she bumps into Kate,

[32:56] you know,

[32:56] Kate's feeling pretty down.

[32:57] She bumps into Tom again.

[32:58] He tries to,

[32:59] he takes her to a homeless shelter.

[33:01] And it seems,

[33:02] at this point,

[33:03] it's like,

[33:03] we're,

[33:04] Tom's pretty mysterious.

[33:05] Despite being a ghost,

[33:06] we're not sure

[33:07] if he lives

[33:07] at the homeless shelter

[33:08] or whatever.

[33:09] He says that he,

[33:10] he says that he like

[33:12] helps out there

[33:12] or he volunteers.

[33:13] He encourages her

[33:14] to help out,

[33:15] but she is hesitant.

[33:17] Later on,

[33:17] obviously,

[33:18] when looking for Tom,

[33:19] she ends up accidentally

[33:20] helping at a homeless shelter.

Elliott Kalan

[33:22] It is a real dick move,

[33:23] I think,

[33:24] for her to be like,

[33:24] I don't really have a home.

[33:25] I'm effectively homeless.

[33:26] And he's like,

[33:27] okay,

[33:28] here's the homeless shelter.

[33:29] Why don't you stay here?

[33:30] I'll call you on your bluff.

[33:31] And she's like,

[33:32] I guess I could go,

[33:33] go stay at my parents' house.

[33:35] And like,

[33:36] I thought that was a real,

[33:36] like,

[33:37] smug move on his part.

[33:39] Yeah.

[33:40] For a ghost

[33:41] who doesn't need a home.

[33:42] Like,

[33:43] easy for him to say.

[33:44] He could just like haunt wherever.

[33:45] He could just float around,

[33:46] you know?

[33:47] That's what I'd do.

Stuart Wellington

[33:49] Yeah.

[33:49] Dan would,

[33:50] Dan would,

[33:51] I'm guessing,

[33:52] haunt the local locker rooms.

[33:54] Hold on.

Elliott Kalan

[33:57] Libel.

[33:58] Accusation.

[33:59] Sorry.

[33:59] Yeah,

[33:59] Dan,

[34:00] I guess your ghost

[34:00] can sue Stuart

[34:01] after you die.

[34:02] If your ghost

[34:03] doesn't just hang around

[34:04] locker rooms,

[34:04] which you know

[34:05] it's going to do.

[34:07] And you're like,

[34:08] I'm suing Stuart.

[34:09] I'm at a dressing room,

[34:10] not a locker room.

Stuart Wellington

[34:14] So,

[34:15] she gets a ride

[34:16] to visit her mother.

[34:17] She gets a ride

[34:18] from her father

[34:19] who drives a cab.

[34:21] Obviously,

[34:22] all the relationships

[34:23] in this family

[34:24] are chilly.

[34:25] Her mother's played

[34:25] by Emma Thompson,

[34:26] who,

[34:27] let's just say,

[34:28] makes a meal

[34:29] out of this role.

[34:30] Mm-hmm.

[34:31] Yeah.

[34:32] Which,

[34:33] to be honest,

[34:33] I think adds

[34:34] just enough,

[34:35] at least for me,

[34:36] just enough energy

[34:37] to her,

[34:38] like,

[34:38] you know,

[34:39] like her big

[34:40] Yugoslavian

[34:40] mother performance.

[34:41] Well,

Elliott Kalan

[34:42] and they're,

[34:42] it's,

[34:42] they never go

[34:43] into total detail

[34:44] with it,

[34:44] which is fine,

[34:45] but they're,

[34:46] they're clearly,

[34:47] I guess they're like

[34:48] Croatian or Serbo-Croatian

[34:49] and it's implied

[34:50] that they had to escape

[34:51] during the,

[34:53] during the,

[34:53] the terrors in Yugoslavia

[34:54] when,

[34:55] you know,

[34:55] there was all sorts of,

[34:56] uh,

[34:57] ethnic strife

[34:58] in the country.

[34:59] I mean,

Hallie Haglund

[34:59] it's not implied.

[35:00] They said it right out.

[35:01] Right?

[35:01] They never make,

Elliott Kalan

[35:02] they like never,

[35:03] she says like,

[35:04] all my friends are dead

[35:04] and like,

[35:05] we had to leave,

[35:05] but they don't,

[35:06] they don't go much more than that.

[35:08] Like,

[35:08] I was never sure

[35:09] if they were.

Hallie Haglund

[35:10] Amelia Clark says it

[35:11] at one point.

[35:12] She's like,

[35:12] yeah,

[35:12] my family all had to leave there

[35:13] during the,

[35:14] the terror.

[35:16] Didn't she?

Elliott Kalan

[35:17] Yeah,

[35:17] yeah,

[35:17] no,

[35:17] they say,

[35:17] but never mind.

[35:18] They say,

[35:19] I was like,

[35:19] I was never quite clear

[35:20] if they were Serbs or Croats

[35:21] or Serbo-Croatian.

[35:22] It's not really necessary,

[35:23] you know,

[35:24] but.

[35:24] Yeah,

[35:25] they're refugees

[35:25] is all that's important.

Stuart Wellington

[35:27] Yeah.

[35:27] Yeah,

[35:27] she stays the night

[35:28] with her mom

[35:29] and her mom takes her

[35:30] to a doctor's appointment

[35:31] in the morning

[35:31] and that's where we get

[35:32] a little more background

[35:33] that Kate has been,

[35:35] Kate has been dealing

[35:37] with a medical condition

[35:38] and she has not been,

[35:41] she's not been going

[35:42] to the doctor enough

[35:43] and her mother

[35:43] is still a point of stress,

[35:45] et cetera,

[35:45] et cetera.

Elliott Kalan

[35:46] She's dealing with

[35:47] a very serious condition

[35:48] called movie heart problemitis,

[35:50] a loosely defined problem

[35:52] with her heart

[35:53] that,

Dan McCoy

[35:54] you know.

[35:55] Wait,

[35:55] hold on,

[35:56] hold on,

[35:56] hold on.

[35:57] That's not,

[35:57] like by this time

[35:59] in the film,

[35:59] she has had

[36:00] a heart transplant

[36:01] and the concern

[36:02] is that she needs

[36:04] to live her life

[36:06] more healthily

[36:06] because she

[36:07] is weakened

[36:09] because she had

[36:10] gone through

[36:10] this transplant.

[36:11] That is the concern.

[36:13] Yeah.

[36:13] It's not like

[36:14] she's got movie heartitis.

[36:15] I just want to be fair.

[36:17] I think it's movie heartitis.

[36:18] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[36:20] But obviously

[36:21] she's still having trouble

[36:22] moving on with

[36:23] after suffering

[36:24] the both immense

[36:26] physical trauma

[36:26] trauma of getting

[36:27] a heart transplant

[36:29] as well as

[36:29] the emotional

[36:30] problems

[36:31] or the emotional

[36:32] difficulty of it.

Elliott Kalan

[36:33] It would be pretty funny

[36:33] if the doctor was like,

[36:34] well,

[36:34] we took an x-ray

[36:35] and there's a ghost

[36:36] in your heart

[36:36] and we apologize.

[36:39] We should have removed it

[36:39] when we got the transplant.

[36:41] The donor heart

[36:42] should have been

[36:42] cleansed of ghosts.

[36:43] That's why we have

[36:44] a priest on staff.

[36:45] The good news is

Dan McCoy

[36:47] eventually that ghost

[36:48] is going to jump

[36:49] out of your heart

[36:50] and teach you

[36:51] how to live your life.

[36:52] But in between

[36:53] it's going to be

[36:53] a couple rough months there.

Elliott Kalan

[36:55] Yeah.

[36:56] Luckily,

[36:56] it's a mostly

[36:57] benevolent ghost.

[36:58] We've had a few people

[36:59] come in with

[36:59] malignant ghosts.

[37:00] Very dangerous.

[37:02] Very bad.

[37:04] But you've got

[37:04] a benign ghost.

[37:06] You've got a benign ghost.

[37:07] It's a charming ghost,

[37:08] which is the best thing to have.

[37:10] Like a topper.

Dan McCoy

[37:11] I guess topper

[37:13] was not the ghost.

[37:14] He was just the guy

[37:15] bedeviled by Cary Grant

[37:16] and who else was in that?

Elliott Kalan

[37:19] Mrs. Topper.

[37:20] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[37:21] Anyway.

[37:21] It's like Peter O'Toole

[37:22] in the movie High Spirits.

[37:24] So we...

[37:26] Not the rock and roll

[37:27] band High Spirits,

[37:28] which is a different thing.

[37:30] When Peter O'Toole

[37:31] was with them.

[37:33] Sorry.

[37:34] So Kate goes

[37:36] on further adventures

[37:37] with Tom.

[37:38] He takes her

[37:38] to a skating rink

[37:39] and she skates around.

[37:41] She goes to a family dinner

[37:44] where everybody's

[37:44] mad at each other

[37:45] and then Kate

[37:46] fucking outs her sister

[37:48] to her parents,

[37:49] which is kind of wild.

[37:50] Like that...

[37:51] I feel like that strays

[37:52] into unforgivable territory.

[37:53] I don't know about you guys.

Elliott Kalan

[37:54] This is where the movie

[37:55] was kind of like,

[37:56] should we try to be

[37:57] Fleabag for a couple minutes?

[37:58] We're close enough.

[38:00] No, this is too much.

[38:01] Too much.

[38:01] Not Fleabagging.

[38:02] Get out of here.

[38:02] Enough.

[38:03] Like it is...

[38:04] It's pretty intense

[38:05] for her to do.

[38:05] But her parents

[38:06] either are pretending

[38:08] or kind of don't seem

[38:08] to pick up too strongly on it.

[38:11] So that scene

[38:12] could have gone a lot

[38:12] more dramatic.

Stuart Wellington

[38:14] And Emma Thompson

[38:16] does a lot of...

[38:16] They seem pretty cool with it.

[38:18] Yeah, I mean...

Elliott Kalan

[38:18] They do seem

[38:19] almost instantly

[38:20] pretty cool with it.

[38:21] You know?

[38:21] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[38:22] Yeah, I mean,

[38:22] I feel like that is the...

[38:25] They backed off

[38:26] on some of the bad parts

[38:28] of that scene

[38:29] a little bit.

Elliott Kalan

[38:29] Well, there's something...

[38:30] See, that's the thing

[38:31] about this movie

[38:31] that got to me

[38:32] a little bit,

[38:33] which is that

[38:33] it is very much

[38:35] a fluff Christmas movie

[38:36] about a misguided woman

[38:38] who gets put on her way

[38:40] by a ghost

[38:40] and falls in love

[38:42] with that ghost.

[38:43] But it's...

[38:44] They keep kind of hinting

[38:45] at these more serious things

[38:47] like refugees

[38:48] and xenophobia in Britain

[38:50] or homophobia

[38:52] among, like,

[38:53] older people.

[38:54] But then they don't...

[38:55] This is going to be

[38:56] a light movie,

[38:56] so they kind of don't want

[38:57] to get too deep

[38:58] into those things.

[38:59] So they just kind of

[38:59] throw them in there

[39:00] for a moment

[39:00] and then back off.

[39:01] And it left me

[39:02] feeling a little confused.

Dan McCoy

[39:03] Well, it also...

[39:04] I mean, with that...

[39:05] With the lesbian plot

[39:06] in particular,

[39:08] which I, you know,

[39:09] I can spoil ahead,

[39:10] like, there's all

[39:11] this concern over it

[39:12] and then we skip ahead

[39:13] at the end of the movie

[39:14] and we see them all together

[39:15] and, like,

[39:16] the mom is complimenting

[39:19] the girlfriend

[39:20] and all this stuff

[39:20] and it does feel like

[39:22] there was a scene missing.

[39:23] Like, I don't think

[39:24] that the parents

[39:25] had to be, like,

[39:27] angry at her

[39:28] or, I mean,

[39:29] like, they could be, like,

[39:31] we are very traditional people

[39:33] but we love you

[39:34] as is, you know,

[39:36] we hope the case

[39:37] out there

[39:38] might happen for people.

[39:40] Like, but that scene

[39:41] is missing, you know?

Elliott Kalan

[39:43] Yeah.

[39:43] I guess we have to assume

[39:44] it happens during the

[39:45] many scenes

[39:46] of her setting up

[39:47] that talent show

[39:49] at the end.

[39:49] Yeah.

[39:50] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[39:51] Yeah, it was originally

[39:53] intended to be

[39:53] in the background

[39:54] while the talent show

[39:55] auditions were happening.

[39:56] So,

[39:57] Kate is despondent

[39:59] after her terrible

[40:00] family dinner experience.

[40:02] She goes out drinking.

[40:03] She bumps into Tom again.

[40:04] He takes her to

[40:05] his apartment

[40:07] and Kate has a

[40:09] kind of a breakdown

[40:10] and she reveals

[40:11] that she,

[40:12] a year ago,

[40:13] she'd had a heart transplant

[40:14] and how

[40:14] she's having trouble

[40:16] moving on with her life.

[40:19] Yep.

Elliott Kalan

[40:19] I don't know

[40:20] if there's anything else.

Stuart Wellington

[40:22] I mean,

[40:22] they don't sleep together.

Elliott Kalan

[40:24] No, he's very gentle

[40:25] and is like,

[40:26] but he gives her a kiss.

[40:27] Oh, yeah.

[40:28] After her request,

[40:29] he gives her a chased kiss

[40:30] on the lips,

[40:31] but there's a lot of

[40:32] like therapy talk here

[40:34] where he's like,

[40:35] he's like,

[40:36] just living is hard.

[40:38] We have to be easier

[40:38] with ourselves

[40:39] about just getting

[40:40] through the day.

[40:41] And it was like,

[40:41] all right,

[40:42] now he's moving

[40:42] into like self-help

[40:43] territory.

Dan McCoy

[40:44] He passed,

[40:45] like the dream

[40:47] of the supportive

[40:48] partner

[40:49] to like all the way

[40:51] on to like,

[40:51] yeah,

[40:52] like ghost therapist.

[40:54] And like even

[40:56] to the degree

[40:56] that like,

[40:57] yeah,

[40:57] he's like,

[40:58] like you're looking,

[40:59] you're going through

[41:00] trauma right now.

[41:01] Like all you need

[41:02] is to sleep,

[41:04] you know?

Hallie Haglund

[41:04] But I did think

[41:05] it was interesting

[41:06] that I thought

[41:07] that this movie

[41:08] and like this scene

[41:10] in particular

[41:11] investigated the idea.

[41:12] I mean,

[41:13] I feel like whenever

[41:14] like transplant

[41:15] is used as a plot point

[41:17] in any sort of

[41:19] like a story,

[41:22] it's like the end point.

[41:23] And it's,

[41:24] it's usually just not

[41:25] examined like this

[41:26] of like,

[41:27] yeah,

[41:27] even if everything

[41:28] goes right,

[41:30] it's going to feel

[41:30] really fucking weird

[41:31] when you get a transplant

[41:32] and you have this thing

[41:33] in your body

[41:34] and like you don't

[41:36] know what that means

[41:38] for your future.

[41:39] You know,

[41:39] something broke

[41:40] and you don't know

[41:41] if it's going to be fixed

[41:42] in the long run.

[41:43] And I don't know,

[41:43] I thought that was like

[41:44] something that I hadn't

[41:45] really thought about

[41:47] when I think about like

[41:48] people getting transplants.

Dan McCoy

[41:50] I agree with that too.

[41:51] Like I,

[41:52] that was maybe my favorite

[41:53] stuff in the movie.

[41:55] Just the fact that like

[41:56] she had this thing,

[41:57] she had this close call

[41:58] that most people would think,

[42:00] okay,

[42:00] you would just feel

[42:01] blessed about that.

[42:02] But it creates such,

[42:04] you know,

[42:04] like PTSD

[42:05] and all this other stuff

[42:07] that like,

[42:08] I liked that the movie

[42:08] was about that

[42:10] and about getting through it.

Stuart Wellington

[42:12] And in a way,

[42:13] I think on some level

[42:14] it justifies the parallel

[42:15] between the idea of like

[42:16] refugees and transplants

[42:18] in that way.

[42:20] So,

[42:20] I just want to mention,

Elliott Kalan

[42:21] we mentioned the phrase,

[42:23] we mentioned the phrase

[42:23] ghost therapist,

[42:24] there's the movie pitch.

[42:25] It's a comedy.

[42:27] Just because he's dead

[42:28] doesn't mean his patients

[42:29] don't still need him.

[42:30] And the ghost comes back

[42:31] and I can see the scene

[42:32] in the trailer

[42:32] where a patient

[42:33] gets really mad

[42:33] and picks up

[42:34] like something,

[42:35] like a stapler

[42:36] from his desk

[42:36] and throws it through him

[42:38] and it hits the wall

[42:39] and he goes,

[42:39] are we done?

[42:40] And that's when

[42:40] it goes to the ghost therapist.

Stuart Wellington

[42:43] I feel like,

[42:44] I feel like after the events

[42:45] of this movie,

[42:46] she needs to just keep

[42:47] Tom's ghost around

[42:48] to have her like

[42:49] set up an inspirational

[42:50] Instagram account

[42:51] or something.

[42:53] Yeah.

[42:53] Something with a lot

[42:54] of different fonts.

[42:55] So,

[42:56] let's see,

[42:58] talking to Tom

[43:00] kind of inspires Kate.

[43:01] So,

[43:01] she sets out

[43:02] to help people.

[43:04] She starts singing

[43:05] carols in the street

[43:07] and then that kind of

[43:08] right in front

[43:10] of the homeless shelter

[43:10] and then they bring her

[43:11] into the shelter

[43:12] and she starts setting up,

[43:14] she starts organizing the,

[43:15] it's like a Christmas

[43:16] talent show,

[43:16] right?

[43:17] Or like a Christmas pageant.

Elliott Kalan

[43:18] It's like a fundraiser

[43:19] talent show

[43:20] where people with money

[43:22] will pay to see

[43:22] the homeless cavort

[43:23] in front of them

[43:24] for their amusement.

[43:26] There's a little bit

[43:28] of a thing here

[43:29] that bugs me

[43:29] where earlier in the movie

[43:30] she tells her boss,

[43:31] she's like,

[43:32] I don't think I'm going

[43:32] to do auditions anymore.

[43:33] They're not good for me.

[43:34] And Michelle Weoh

[43:35] is like,

[43:35] good,

[43:35] I'm glad you came to that.

[43:36] And she's like,

[43:37] now it's time to make

[43:38] the homeless audition

[43:39] because like,

[43:39] is she really going

[43:40] to turn down

[43:41] any of these people

[43:42] and not let them

[43:42] be in the talent show?

[43:43] Like,

[43:43] how cruel would that be?

[43:45] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[43:46] No,

[43:46] they got to sing

[43:46] for their supper,

[43:47] Elliot.

[43:49] So,

[43:49] then she bumps

[43:50] into Tom again.

[43:52] You know,

[43:52] she's ready

[43:53] to make a full commitment,

[43:54] but Tom has a secret.

[43:56] So,

[43:57] they get in a fight

[43:57] and she runs off.

Dan McCoy

[44:00] No,

[44:00] I just like,

[44:01] the secret thing

[44:02] just reminded me,

[44:03] like,

[44:03] while I was watching it,

[44:04] I,

[44:05] like,

[44:06] there's the scene

[44:07] later on

[44:07] where he like,

[44:08] where like,

[44:09] she's figured it out

[44:10] and then he shows up

[44:12] again later

[44:12] and I just imagine

[44:14] him being like,

Stuart Wellington

[44:15] ooh,

[44:16] so I'm sorry

[44:17] about keeping it secret

[44:18] that I'm a ghost.

[44:19] Like,

Dan McCoy

[44:20] I really should,

[44:22] you know,

[44:23] that's on me.

[44:24] Like,

[44:24] I really,

Stuart Wellington

[44:25] or they bump into,

[44:27] she bumps into him later

[44:29] I'm sorry,

[44:29] but I'm married.

Elliott Kalan

[44:32] I'm a married ghost.

[44:34] I'm married to another ghost

[44:36] and then a lady ghost

[44:36] comes by.

[44:37] Who's this,

[44:38] Tom?

[44:39] He just hands her,

Hallie Haglund

[44:40] he's like,

[44:42] no,

[44:42] not her,

[44:43] him.

[44:44] I'm also gay.

Elliott Kalan

[44:46] I should have mentioned

[44:47] I'm gay and a ghost

[44:48] and I'm married.

[44:51] Did I not,

[44:51] and also I'm secretly

[44:52] a millionaire,

[44:54] but I,

[44:54] and he hands her a card

[44:57] that says,

[44:58] I'm sorry.

[44:58] It shows like a bashful ghost.

[45:00] It says,

[45:00] I'm sorry.

[45:01] And then he opens it

[45:01] and says that I'm a ghost.

[45:02] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[45:03] It says,

[45:03] I made a boo-boo.

Elliott Kalan

[45:06] I made a boo.

[45:08] It says,

[45:08] I really put the boo-boo

[45:09] and boo-boo.

[45:10] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[45:12] Cool.

[45:12] So,

[45:13] uh,

[45:14] meanwhile,

[45:15] uh,

[45:15] when Kate is visiting her mom,

[45:17] uh,

[45:18] Petra,

[45:18] her mother,

[45:19] uh,

[45:19] sees like the news

[45:21] and sees anti-immigrant,

[45:23] uh,

[45:23] demonstrations on the news.

[45:25] And then later on,

[45:26] Kate is riding a bus

[45:28] and there's some racist dickhead

[45:30] shouting at people,

[45:31] telling people to leave the country.

[45:33] And Kate is inspired,

[45:34] uh,

[45:35] to step up and like form a bond

[45:37] with a couple,

[45:38] like a couple that,

[45:39] speaking Yugoslavian.

Elliott Kalan

[45:42] I think,

[45:42] I think if they're speaking

[45:43] a Serbo-Croat or like Yugoslavian,

[45:46] like,

[45:47] I mean,

[45:47] Yugoslavia as a nation

[45:48] was the conglomeration

[45:49] of a number of different territories

[45:51] that were majority

[45:52] of different ethnic groups.

[45:53] So,

[45:54] but the,

[45:55] uh,

[45:55] she also,

[45:56] this is a moment

[45:57] where she embraces her heritage

[45:58] as the whole movie.

[45:59] She's been rejecting

[46:00] the name Katerina

[46:01] in favor of Kate

[46:02] because her favorite movie,

[46:04] Kate and Leopold.

[46:05] She could have named herself

[46:06] Leopold,

[46:06] but for whatever reason,

[46:08] she decided not to.

[46:09] Wasn't that about ghosts too?

Dan McCoy

[46:11] That was about time travel,

[46:12] right?

[46:12] Yeah,

[46:13] he was a,

[46:13] Hugh Jackman was a man

[46:14] out of time.

[46:15] He,

[46:15] uh,

[46:16] was a noble from,

[46:17] yeah,

[46:18] the past where,

[46:19] where everything was better.

[46:20] Everything,

[46:21] oh,

[46:21] the gentleman back in the past.

[46:23] Does that sound a ghost?

[46:24] Everyone was so nice to women

[46:25] back in the past.

Stuart Wellington

[46:26] what is a ghost?

[46:27] Is a ghost a tragedy

[46:28] condemned to repeat itself

[46:30] time and again?

[46:31] We lapped ourselves again.

[46:31] An incident of pain,

[46:32] perhaps.

[46:33] Something dead,

[46:34] which still seems to be alive.

[46:36] An emotion suspended in time,

[46:38] like a blurred photograph.

[46:40] Like an insect trapped in amber.

Hallie Haglund

[46:45] So,

[46:45] uh,

[46:46] Stuart,

[46:46] I like how it feels like

[46:48] we're like,

[46:49] um,

[46:49] your tool set.

[46:51] And you're like,

[46:51] peeking us,

[46:53] you're like,

[46:53] finding us on the shelf

[46:54] in the,

[46:55] in the video display.

[46:56] Oh,

[46:56] yeah,

Stuart Wellington

[46:57] you're talking about the,

[46:58] uh,

[46:59] the,

[46:59] the storage locker

[47:00] that I have to record

[47:01] the podcast.

Elliott Kalan

[47:03] It does for anyone,

[47:04] anyone who's trying to imagine it.

[47:05] It's like in the movies

[47:06] when there's a camera shot

[47:07] from inside a refrigerator,

[47:08] when someone opens up

[47:09] a refrigerator,

[47:10] like that's what it looks like

[47:11] while we're looking at,

[47:12] like we're the ketchup

[47:13] and he's just looking

[47:14] into the fridge.

Stuart Wellington

[47:15] I'm like,

[47:16] why is there all this

[47:17] fucking sunny D?

[47:18] I just want my purple stuff.

[47:19] So,

[47:22] uh,

[47:22] or like,

[47:23] maybe like an old jar

[47:24] of like pickled cabbage

[47:26] will start talking to me

[47:27] and it's a commercial

[47:27] for cleaning your,

[47:28] uh,

[47:29] refrigerator.

[47:29] So,

[47:30] um,

[47:31] so is that,

[47:31] wait,

Elliott Kalan

[47:31] that's the thing that,

[47:32] they have commercials

[47:33] for that?

[47:34] Like from the clean fridge

[47:35] council,

[47:36] clean your refrigerator,

[47:37] won't you?

[47:38] Like there's refrigerators

[47:39] like,

[47:39] oh,

[47:40] I'm so full of dirt.

[47:41] I don't feel so good.

[47:43] Why don't you clean

[47:44] your fridge?

[47:44] Give your fridge

[47:45] a fridge cleaning day

[47:46] brought to you

[47:47] by the clean fridge council.

Stuart Wellington

[47:48] Dirt in a fridge.

[47:49] I mean,

[47:49] it doesn't need to be cold.

[47:51] It's shelf stable.

[47:52] Oh,

Elliott Kalan

[47:53] why are people

[47:53] putting cold dirt

[47:55] in me?

[47:57] So,

[47:57] somebody's like,

[47:58] I'm going on vacation.

[47:59] I better put this flower pot

[48:00] in the fridge

[48:00] so the flower stays fresh.

Stuart Wellington

[48:02] So,

[48:03] Kate starts to,

[48:04] oh,

[48:04] it's like when people

[48:05] put batteries in the freezer.

[48:07] what,

[48:07] do you want to make

[48:08] a remote control cold?

Hallie Haglund

[48:11] Are you supposed

[48:12] to put batteries

[48:13] in the freezer?

[48:14] I think so,

[48:14] yeah.

[48:15] Also,

[48:15] it could be a commercial

[48:16] for those,

[48:17] the refrigerators

[48:19] that are connected

[48:21] to the internet

[48:21] because isn't their job

[48:23] to tell you

[48:23] if something's bad or not?

[48:25] They like survey everything.

[48:27] Why do you need

[48:27] the internet for that?

[48:29] Because,

[48:31] But that's

[48:31] the point of them.

Dan McCoy

[48:32] You want to see

[48:33] if your fruit is bad

[48:33] from a distance.

Hallie Haglund

[48:35] So you can check

[48:36] it on your phone,

[48:36] yeah.

[48:36] Because they're in like,

[48:38] they're in the bad food

[48:39] chat room.

[48:40] You do.

Dan McCoy

[48:42] Take a look

[48:42] at these hot pics.

Elliott Kalan

[48:44] Yeah,

[48:44] I don't want my,

[48:45] I don't want my refrigerator

[48:45] attached to the internet

[48:46] and suddenly there's just

[48:47] a bunch of porn

[48:47] in the refrigerator.

[48:48] I don't need that.

[48:50] I like my porn.

[48:51] Hot,

[48:51] not cold.

[48:52] All these pop-ups.

[48:54] I'm just trying,

[48:55] you're like pushing

[48:56] pop-up windows

[48:57] out of the way

[48:57] to get to the eggs.

[48:58] oh,

[48:59] come on.

Stuart Wellington

[49:02] So Kate starts

[49:02] to try and make amends.

[49:04] She attempts to

[49:06] repair the bond

[49:09] with her sister.

[49:09] It goes okay.

[49:11] She spends time

[49:13] and goes to a farmer's market.

[49:14] She goes

[49:15] and starts apologizing

[49:16] to all the friends

[49:17] that she is disappointed.

[49:19] I think this,

[49:20] they probably,

[49:20] I think this scene

[49:21] is set to like freedom

[49:22] or something,

[49:23] right?

[49:23] Yeah,

[49:24] I think so.

Elliott Kalan

[49:24] I did like the implication

[49:26] that her relationship

[49:27] was not so bad

[49:28] that it couldn't be fixed

[49:29] by one afternoon

[49:29] at a farmer's market.

[49:31] Yeah,

[49:31] when they took shots together.

[49:33] Yeah,

[49:33] I mean,

[49:33] to be fair,

[49:34] her mom seems like

[49:35] a little overbearing,

[49:36] but not that,

[49:37] I mean,

[49:37] pretty normal mom,

[49:38] like not that different

[49:39] than,

[49:40] like the kind of person

[49:41] where you have to be like,

[49:41] mom,

[49:42] but it wasn't like,

[49:43] there was no,

[49:44] there's no reason

[49:45] to leave the house.

Dan McCoy

[49:45] But also,

[49:46] at the end of the movie,

[49:48] mom and dad,

[49:49] who have not talked

[49:49] basically for years,

[49:50] seem like happy together

[49:52] or at least like very friendly.

[49:55] The,

[49:55] like they've accepted

[49:56] the daughter,

[49:57] like everyone's happy

[49:58] and the implication is

[49:59] the one problem

[50:01] in this family

[50:01] was our lead,

[50:02] like that our lead

[50:03] somehow dragged down

[50:04] the entire family

[50:06] until she became better.

Elliott Kalan

[50:07] That can happen.

[50:08] I have had friends

[50:09] where their family

[50:09] is destroyed by a sibling

[50:11] who's just like such a,

[50:12] such a hard person

[50:13] to deal with.

[50:14] But every now and then,

[50:15] a ghost comes in,

[50:16] sets that family straight.

[50:18] So Dan,

[50:18] I guess what I'm saying

[50:19] is this movie

[50:19] should be taken literally

[50:20] because it does happen.

[50:21] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[50:27] So,

[50:28] she returns to Tom's apartment.

[50:30] She wants to share

[50:31] all of her,

[50:31] her good vibes

[50:33] with her buddy Tom,

[50:34] only to find that

[50:35] a stranger dressed

[50:36] similarly to him

[50:37] who makes his living

[50:39] as a realtor

[50:39] is selling the apartment.

[50:42] What?

[50:43] In the,

[50:43] in one of the cupboards

[50:44] that she finds Tom,

[50:45] Tom's cell phone

[50:46] and then all of a sudden

[50:48] she realizes

[50:49] she's looking around

[50:50] the office,

[50:51] she sees all the things,

[50:52] she realized

[50:53] she's been talking

[50:53] to Kaiser Soze

[50:54] the whole time.

[50:56] It hits her

[50:56] like a ton of bricks.

[50:58] Tom died last Christmas,

[51:00] he got hit by a bus,

[51:01] then he donated his heart

[51:02] and that heart now

[51:03] resides in her chest.

[51:05] Yeah.

[51:05] Can you believe it?

[51:06] We,

[51:06] Dan.

Dan McCoy

[51:07] we should have known

[51:08] from the lyrics,

[51:09] last Christmas

[51:10] got hit by a bus.

Elliott Kalan

[51:13] I gave my heart

[51:15] to Amelia Clark.

Hallie Haglund

[51:17] Okay,

[51:17] wait,

[51:18] I had a question.

[51:19] Did you guys,

[51:20] was this,

[51:21] uh,

[51:22] the joke

[51:23] or was it only

[51:24] funny to me?

[51:25] At first I was like,

[51:26] oh,

[51:26] I'm so clever

[51:26] for realizing

[51:27] that this was funny

[51:28] and then I'm like,

[51:29] oh,

[51:29] maybe this is the point

[51:30] of the thing.

[51:31] But the thing

[51:32] that he keeps telling

[51:32] everyone is look up

[51:34] but then he was like

[51:35] on a bike

[51:35] and got hit

[51:36] by a truck.

Stuart Wellington

[51:41] That is like,

[51:42] that his philosophy

[51:42] on life,

[51:43] look up,

[51:44] is just tied in

[51:45] with him not looking up.

[51:47] Exactly.

[51:48] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[51:48] How did you,

[51:49] you hurt,

[51:50] you hurt your pointer finger.

[51:51] Are you okay?

[51:52] You're pointing at us

[51:53] vehemently

[51:54] and I saw a band-aid

[51:55] over it.

[51:56] I know.

Hallie Haglund

[51:56] It's really,

[51:58] uh,

[51:59] my child

[52:00] is obsessed

[52:01] with pointing

[52:01] so this is

[52:02] a serious injury

[52:03] in my household.

Elliott Kalan

[52:05] It's,

Hallie Haglund

[52:06] uh,

[52:06] I caught myself

[52:07] on a

[52:08] cooking item

[52:10] I was washing.

Elliott Kalan

[52:12] Make up a story.

[52:13] Make it up,

[52:13] yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[52:14] No,

[52:15] I was,

[52:16] I had made a

[52:17] cake for my son.

[52:19] We used the

[52:19] feature

[52:20] that's the

[52:21] grater feature

[52:22] in the food processor

[52:23] and then when I was

[52:25] watching it,

[52:26] washing it,

[52:26] I just sliced

[52:28] my finger.

[52:29] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[52:30] That's a common injury

[52:31] in the Kalen household

[52:32] to me.

[52:33] Washing something sharp

[52:34] and then,

[52:34] and you get those like,

[52:35] those shallow cuts

[52:36] where there's a lot of blood

[52:37] but it takes forever

[52:38] to heal and like,

[52:39] exactly.

Hallie Haglund

[52:41] and then he,

[52:42] and then he,

[52:42] yeah,

[52:42] and then I had to give him

[52:43] a bath last night

[52:44] and everything reopened

[52:45] and so then I had to wrap

[52:46] my finger up

[52:47] and there was all this blood

[52:48] and I left a tissue

[52:50] on the counter

[52:51] while I was putting him

[52:52] to bed

[52:52] so my husband saw it

[52:53] as a passive aggressive

[52:54] gesture of like,

[52:56] just so you know,

[52:57] I was bleeding

[52:58] and I didn't have

[52:59] I mean,

[53:00] he should have,

Elliott Kalan

[53:00] he could have,

[53:02] he should maybe have

[53:02] been the one

[53:03] to give the bath

[53:04] but I know your husband

[53:06] does a bath

Stuart Wellington

[53:06] especially because

[53:07] it was a bath

[53:07] in lime juice

[53:09] all that citrus

[53:09] right in the cut.

Hallie Haglund

[53:10] I know.

[53:11] I was like,

[53:11] this will help,

[53:12] right?

Elliott Kalan

[53:13] The worst part

[53:14] was when,

[53:14] when your son

[53:15] took your finger

[53:16] and put it in his mouth

[53:17] and now he has a taste

[53:18] for human blood.

[53:19] That's never gonna go away.

[53:20] Mm-hmm.

Stuart Wellington

[53:21] Uh-oh.

[53:22] Mm-hmm.

[53:23] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[53:23] Okay.

[53:24] Have we ever talked about

[53:25] having a baby

[53:26] really made me think

[53:27] about how horrible

[53:28] it would be

[53:28] if a baby was bitten

[53:29] by a vampire

[53:30] and so that baby

[53:31] never grows up

[53:31] and is just a baby

[53:32] forever screaming

[53:33] constantly for blood

[53:35] and it does,

[53:35] it's like,

[53:36] what a,

[53:36] it was the,

[53:37] I sometimes lie awake

[53:38] at night worried

[53:39] that's gonna happen

[53:40] and it would be

[53:41] so nightmarish

[53:42] to like,

[53:42] your kid never grows up

[53:43] and is always a baby.

Stuart Wellington

[53:44] Wow, Elliot's writing

[53:46] concept stuff

[53:47] for like,

[53:47] 1990s World of Darkness

[53:49] Vampire the Masquerade

[53:51] source books.

[53:51] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[53:54] So,

[53:55] so he,

[53:56] we,

[53:56] we finally got to see

[53:58] also all the scenes

[53:59] the flashbacks

[54:00] to the scenes

[54:01] with Tom

[54:01] but Tom's not there

[54:02] because he was a ghost.

Stuart Wellington

[54:03] Yep.

[54:04] So we finally get that moment.

[54:05] You know,

[54:06] I feel like

[54:06] if I was gonna direct a movie

[54:07] just to keep everybody

[54:08] on their toes,

[54:10] I would shoot every scene

[54:11] with at least one person missing

[54:12] so they think like,

[54:14] wait,

[54:14] is my character

[54:14] a ghost the whole time?

[54:17] So she,

[54:18] she runs into ghost Tom.

[54:21] They're sitting

[54:21] on the secret garden bench.

[54:22] He disappears.

[54:22] Stuart sitting with the producers,

[54:23] they're like,

Elliott Kalan

[54:24] Stuart,

[54:24] you're way over budget

[54:25] and you're way over

[54:25] shooting schedule.

[54:26] It's gonna be the best prank.

[54:27] Don't worry, guys.

Stuart Wellington

[54:29] Uh,

[54:30] so we,

[54:30] uh,

[54:31] and then we see,

[54:31] of course,

[54:32] as Dan mentioned before,

[54:33] there's a little dedication plaque

[54:34] on the bench

[54:35] in the secret garden

[54:36] to Tom Webster

[54:37] uh,

[54:38] with his catchphrase

[54:39] look up.

[54:40] Uh,

[54:41] theoretically the last thing

[54:42] that went through his mind

[54:43] before the bus.

Dan McCoy

[54:44] Um,

[54:45] look up,

[54:45] by the way,

[54:46] is one of those things

[54:46] that seems like

[54:48] it's meaningful

[54:48] but I never quite understood

[54:50] this inspiring message.

Elliott Kalan

[54:52] Well,

[54:52] if you're looking down

[54:53] you might not see

[54:53] like a sign

[54:54] that looks like

[54:54] a grasshopper

[54:55] or some shit

[54:56] like they do in the movie,

[54:57] you know?

[54:57] You don't see

[54:57] those grasshopper signs.

Dan McCoy

[54:59] So it's like that song

[55:00] uh,

[55:01] from Sesame Street

[55:02] looking at a crack

[55:02] in the sidewalk

[55:03] I nearly missed the rainbow.

Elliott Kalan

[55:05] That song?

[55:06] I don't,

[55:06] I don't know that song

[55:07] but it sounds like

[55:07] a George Michael song

[55:08] because it's so depressing.

[55:09] Yeah.

[55:11] Alright,

[55:11] sorry,

[55:12] go on.

Stuart Wellington

[55:13] Okay,

[55:13] so then we're at the,

[55:14] uh,

[55:14] we have the,

[55:15] uh,

[55:15] Christmas pageant

[55:16] at the homeless shelter

[55:17] and basically every character

[55:18] who has shown up

[55:19] in this movie,

[55:20] anyone who has had

[55:21] a speaking role

[55:21] is there.

[55:23] It is huge.

[55:24] And of course,

[55:25] Kate gets up there

[55:26] in her elf,

[55:27] elf suit

[55:27] and sings

[55:28] Last Christmas

[55:29] and the audience

[55:30] loses their fucking minds

[55:32] like it's a vent horizon.

[55:34] I will say this.

Hallie Haglund

[55:35] Voice like an angel.

[55:36] Voice like an angel.

[55:38] Wish that voice

[55:38] had showed up

[55:39] to the auditions.

Elliott Kalan

[55:40] Whoa!

[55:41] Wow!

[55:42] Burn!

[55:43] This is a movie

[55:44] that I was,

[55:45] I was pretty cynical about

[55:46] but this scene

[55:47] I was like,

[55:47] okay movie,

[55:48] you got me.

[55:49] I like seeing everybody

[55:50] show up

[55:50] and she,

[55:51] you know,

[55:51] entertains them and stuff.

[55:53] It did for me

[55:54] what,

[55:54] uh,

[55:54] Craig T. Nelson

[55:55] and Mary Steenburgen

[55:56] tangoing to Meatloaf

[55:58] in a book club

[55:59] did for Dan.

[55:59] Yep.

[56:01] I mean,

[56:01] not that I cried

[56:02] but I was like,

[56:03] okay,

[56:03] you got me movie.

Dan McCoy

[56:04] No,

[56:04] it's a very,

[56:05] very sweet moment.

Stuart Wellington

[56:06] Uh,

[56:06] then we have,

[56:07] you know,

[56:07] like a family Christmas

[56:09] or Boxing Day,

[56:10] uh,

[56:11] uh,

[56:11] meal

[56:11] where the whole family's there,

[56:13] Marta and Nora?

[56:14] Nora,

[56:15] that's the name

[56:15] of the girlfriend?

[56:16] No,

Elliott Kalan

[56:16] Alba,

[56:17] right?

[56:17] Alba?

[56:18] Yeah,

[56:18] Alba.

Stuart Wellington

[56:19] Okay.

[56:20] Um,

[56:21] and they're all hanging out,

[56:23] they're having a great old time

[56:24] telling jokes

[56:24] and then we get a last shot

[56:27] of Kate sitting in that secret garden

[56:29] in the spring.

[56:30] Uh,

[56:30] she seems to have gotten

[56:32] her life together.

[56:33] She looks like she got her hair done

[56:35] and has a new dress

[56:36] and she looks up

[56:37] into the sky

[56:38] presumably at Ghost Tom

[56:40] and then we have credits

[56:42] and the credits are,

[56:43] accompanied by scenes

[56:44] from the movie

[56:45] unrelated to the credits.

Elliott Kalan

[56:47] Yeah.

[56:48] Now she also,

[56:48] and by the end

[56:49] she's wearing a lot less makeup,

[56:50] right?

[56:50] Or is she just wearing

[56:51] more natural looking makeup?

Dan McCoy

[56:52] I think she's wearing

[56:53] more natural looking makeup.

[56:54] That's one thing

[56:54] that kind of bothered me

[56:55] at the end of the movie,

[56:56] honestly,

[56:57] because she looked

[56:59] kind of born again almost.

[57:01] Uh,

[57:01] not to like

[57:02] put anyone's like

[57:04] religion down.

[57:05] I,

[57:05] you know,

[57:06] grew up,

[57:06] uh,

[57:07] in a religious household

[57:08] and that,

[57:09] that is fine,

[57:09] but she like

[57:10] looked scrubbed

[57:11] in a way

[57:11] that seemed

[57:13] to like

[57:13] take away,

[57:14] I don't know,

[57:15] something of her personality.

[57:16] Like,

Elliott Kalan

[57:17] because you like a girl

[57:18] with some grit on her,

[57:19] a little sin.

Dan McCoy

[57:20] Yeah.

[57:20] A little,

[57:21] the sadder but wiser

[57:22] girl for me,

[57:23] Elliot.

Elliott Kalan

[57:23] Yeah,

[57:23] like the librarian.

[57:27] Uh,

[57:27] that's,

[57:28] I,

[57:28] I think,

[57:29] Dan,

[57:29] I mean,

[57:29] I'm also not,

[57:30] not a,

[57:31] one of the things

[57:32] that kept me from

[57:33] being into this movie

[57:33] for most of the running time

[57:34] is that Christmas

[57:35] is not a magical time

[57:36] for me because

[57:37] it is not a holiday

[57:38] I take part in

[57:39] and I feel like it is

[57:40] forced,

[57:41] I can't get away

[57:42] from it during that time,

[57:43] but if a ghost

[57:44] came and visited me,

[57:45] I would probably convert.

[57:47] I mean,

[57:47] that's about all the evidence.

[57:48] That's true.

[57:48] If a ghost was like,

[57:50] hey,

[57:50] I'm a ghost,

[57:51] I'm dead now,

[57:52] this is what the afterlife

[57:52] is like,

[57:53] I'm like,

[57:53] well,

[57:53] I'm not going to argue

[57:54] with this.

[57:54] Like,

[57:54] this is,

Dan McCoy

[57:55] that's the problem

[57:56] I always had in like,

[57:58] all these,

[57:59] uh,

[57:59] like fantasy movies

[58:00] where,

[58:01] I don't know,

[58:01] there's like demons

[58:02] from hell,

[58:03] but the,

[58:04] like person in charge

[58:05] is like still struggling

[58:07] with their faith

[58:07] and I'm like,

[58:08] I think you just had

[58:09] your worldview confirmed,

[58:11] dude,

[58:11] like,

[58:12] just be cool with it all now.

[58:13] Yeah,

[58:14] you know what?

Elliott Kalan

[58:14] that's,

[58:15] you got to extrapolate that

[58:16] to like in the Marvel movies,

[58:17] why does that world like,

[58:19] why has that world not,

[58:20] been like,

[58:20] okay,

[58:21] the Norse gods

[58:21] were the real ones,

[58:22] I guess that's the way it is.

[58:23] Like all this Jesus stuff

[58:25] was,

[58:25] was kind of a,

[58:26] kind of a fake this whole time

[58:27] because I can see Thor,

[58:29] he's right there,

[58:30] he's fighting crime.

[58:31] I like it,

[58:32] this is kind of all the evidence.

Dan McCoy

[58:33] more of an interventionist God

[58:35] than our God.

Elliott Kalan

[58:36] I've never seen Christ come down

[58:37] and fight crime

[58:38] in those movies,

[58:39] right?

[58:39] It is very much crime.

[58:41] He's just being giant monsters.

[58:41] I mean,

[58:42] it is,

[58:42] the,

Dan McCoy

[58:42] those monsters are doing,

[58:44] you know,

[58:44] property damage.

Elliott Kalan

[58:45] Property damage,

[58:46] murder,

[58:47] attempted murder,

[58:48] like,

[58:48] property damage.

[58:49] Dan always puts property

[58:50] before people.

[58:51] Oh no.

[58:52] I mean,

[58:53] Ultron was trying to destroy

[58:54] an entire country

[58:56] or city,

[58:57] right?

[58:57] So,

[58:57] I feel like that's a crime,

[58:59] but if,

[58:59] if Jesus came down

[59:00] and was fighting a giant robot

[59:02] or like a,

[59:02] you know,

[59:03] a sarcastic robot

[59:04] that was trying to destroy

[59:05] a foreign country,

[59:05] I'd be like,

[59:06] you know what?

[59:06] Judaism,

[59:07] we had a,

[59:07] we had a good ride,

[59:08] but,

[59:09] but I feel like this,

[59:10] this is all I need,

[59:11] you know?

Dan McCoy

[59:12] Yeah.

[59:13] Well,

[59:13] anyway,

[59:14] I guess that's basically

[59:15] the end of the movie.

Elliott Kalan

[59:15] You're not seeing Buddha

[59:16] go up against Thanos.

[59:17] That's all I'm saying,

[59:18] you know?

Dan McCoy

[59:19] So,

[59:20] we can do our final judgments

[59:21] about whether this is

[59:22] a good,

[59:22] bad movie,

[59:23] a bad,

[59:23] bad movie,

[59:24] or a movie kind of liked.

[59:26] Guys,

[59:27] I gotta say,

[59:28] I kind of like this movie.

[59:29] I thought it was

[59:30] perfectly pleasant.

[59:31] I thought it was fun.

[59:32] I thought she was like

[59:33] super charming in it

[59:35] and the supporting cast

[59:36] was good.

[59:37] And also,

[59:39] I think I've been thinking

[59:40] about it

[59:40] and the,

[59:41] the reason I split

[59:42] that hair before

[59:43] is for me,

[59:45] if you read this

[59:46] as,

[59:48] as a sort of

[59:50] supernatural intervention,

[59:52] like that is too close

[59:53] to me for

[59:54] like kind of

[59:55] a divine intervention

[59:56] where it takes away

[59:58] her agency

[59:59] in,

[1:00:00] you know,

[1:00:01] her own recovery.

[1:00:03] And so,

[1:00:04] I,

[1:00:04] I think that

[1:00:05] as a movie

[1:00:07] that appeals to someone,

[1:00:08] like,

[1:00:08] doesn't even have to be

[1:00:09] someone who like

[1:00:10] has gone through trauma

[1:00:11] but maybe someone

[1:00:11] who is just

[1:00:12] working through depression

[1:00:14] or,

[1:00:15] or some sort of

[1:00:16] bad turn

[1:00:17] in their life.

[1:00:18] Like,

[1:00:19] I don't know,

[1:00:19] I really liked that part of it.

[1:00:21] I thought it was

[1:00:21] sort of

[1:00:22] inspiring

[1:00:23] in a weird way.

[1:00:25] So that's,

[1:00:25] that's what I thought

[1:00:26] about the movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:27] Okay,

[1:00:28] Hallie,

[1:00:28] ready for you to roast

[1:00:28] the movie?

Hallie Haglund

[1:00:30] This

[1:00:31] fucking

[1:00:32] rolled!

[1:00:34] I love the movie!

[1:00:38] No,

[1:00:38] I think I,

[1:00:39] I think the text I sent,

[1:00:40] I was trying to find

[1:00:41] the text I sent to Dan

[1:00:42] after I watched it,

[1:00:44] which was something like,

[1:00:45] uh,

[1:00:47] hold on,

[1:00:47] let me find it.

[1:00:49] We've been texting a lot,

[1:00:50] so,

[1:00:52] No,

[1:00:52] it's cool,

[1:00:52] it's cool.

[1:00:53] I mean,

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:53] we live in the same city,

[1:00:54] it's the same time zone,

[1:00:55] but I had you over

[1:00:56] at my house for dinner,

[1:00:57] but that's okay,

[1:00:57] like,

[1:00:57] we don't need to,

[1:00:58] we don't need to

[1:00:58] I mean,

[1:00:59] most of the texting

Dan McCoy

[1:00:59] was about technical issues

[1:01:01] that I had fucked up,

[1:01:02] but,

[1:01:03] I said,

Hallie Haglund

[1:01:04] weeping,

[1:01:05] feel good movie of the century,

[1:01:06] nothing snarky to say about it,

[1:01:08] renewed my faith

[1:01:09] in the human race.

[1:01:10] If you watched it

[1:01:11] and felt differently,

[1:01:12] then you are a monster

[1:01:13] and I don't want to know you,

[1:01:15] but,

[1:01:15] I'm relieved.

[1:01:16] So,

[1:01:17] I loved it,

[1:01:18] I had a,

[1:01:18] I,

[1:01:19] I really,

[1:01:20] you know,

[1:01:21] I enjoyed the watch,

[1:01:22] but,

[1:01:23] I guess,

[1:01:26] Dan,

[1:01:27] I,

[1:01:28] like,

[1:01:28] push,

[1:01:29] I want to,

[1:01:30] like,

[1:01:30] push back after you've made that

[1:01:31] statement about what you think of it,

[1:01:34] because,

[1:01:34] like,

[1:01:35] there's,

[1:01:35] like,

[1:01:36] no real evidence in the movie

[1:01:38] that,

[1:01:39] like,

[1:01:39] she actually does anything

[1:01:42] to,

[1:01:43] um,

[1:01:44] further,

[1:01:44] like,

[1:01:45] her own,

[1:01:47] like,

[1:01:48] like,

[1:01:48] there's no real role that she plays

[1:01:51] in her own healing,

[1:01:52] besides,

[1:01:52] like,

[1:01:53] very much towards the end

[1:01:55] when she's like,

[1:01:56] listen,

[1:01:56] you're bad for me

[1:01:57] if you're not gonna take care of me,

[1:01:59] so I'm cutting you out of my life,

[1:02:01] but,

[1:02:02] like,

[1:02:02] but,

[1:02:02] but as a metaphor for,

[1:02:04] like,

[1:02:05] like,

[1:02:05] if he's supposed to be,

[1:02:08] like,

[1:02:09] we don't see her playing a role

[1:02:10] in her own healing at all,

[1:02:12] so,

[1:02:12] like,

[1:02:12] all he could be is a metaphor,

[1:02:14] so,

[1:02:14] so I don't really,

[1:02:16] I don't think that the movie,

[1:02:17] like,

[1:02:17] provides that for me necessarily,

[1:02:19] because you don't really see,

[1:02:21] like,

[1:02:21] the wheels turning in her head at all

[1:02:23] until,

[1:02:23] like,

[1:02:23] very much towards the end.

Dan McCoy

[1:02:25] No,

[1:02:25] I mean,

[1:02:26] well,

[1:02:26] first off,

[1:02:27] I don't want to imply that I don't believe,

[1:02:30] like,

[1:02:31] everyone,

[1:02:32] uh,

[1:02:33] could use help in getting over things,

[1:02:35] and it's good to reach out,

[1:02:37] uh,

[1:02:37] for help,

[1:02:37] and you shouldn't have to,

[1:02:39] like,

[1:02:39] do it all on your own,

[1:02:40] so I don't want to,

[1:02:41] like,

[1:02:42] uh,

[1:02:42] give that impression by putting forth my feelings on it,

[1:02:47] but I do feel like,

[1:02:49] if you accept the central premise that he could be,

[1:02:54] like,

[1:02:55] some sort of manifestation of her own need,

[1:02:59] then you can see everything that he inspires her to do as coming from herself,

[1:03:05] I guess,

[1:03:06] is the way I would put it.

[1:03:09] It's a muddy thing,

[1:03:10] I just find it,

[1:03:11] like,

[1:03:11] I don't know,

[1:03:11] for me,

[1:03:12] the movie works better,

[1:03:13] or best,

[1:03:14] like,

[1:03:15] with that kind of,

[1:03:17] uh,

[1:03:18] I am realizing how to improve my life by doing things for others,

[1:03:23] kind of feel that I appreciated.

[1:03:26] I don't know.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:27] Yeah,

[1:03:28] I,

[1:03:28] so this is a movie that I've watched twice now,

[1:03:31] uh,

[1:03:31] I watched it on my own time,

[1:03:33] and then,

[1:03:34] uh,

[1:03:34] when I heard we were doing this episode,

[1:03:36] I decided to watch it again,

[1:03:37] uh,

[1:03:38] and,

[1:03:39] yeah,

[1:03:39] I mean,

[1:03:40] I feel like the twist is incredibly silly,

[1:03:43] but,

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:44] I feel like,

[1:03:45] that a ghost in her heart is showing her the true meaning of,

[1:03:49] of helpfulness.

Stuart Wellington

[1:03:50] Yep,

[1:03:51] thank you for,

[1:03:51] uh,

[1:03:52] making that,

[1:03:52] uh,

[1:03:53] text,

[1:03:54] um,

[1:03:54] the,

[1:03:55] as opposed to subtext,

[1:03:56] um,

[1:03:57] the,

[1:03:58] but,

[1:04:00] yeah,

[1:04:00] I mean,

[1:04:00] like,

[1:04:00] Emilia Clarke,

[1:04:01] I think is very charming,

[1:04:03] Henry Golding is fine,

[1:04:05] uh,

[1:04:05] but man,

[1:04:06] like,

[1:04:06] Emma Thompson,

[1:04:07] uh,

[1:04:08] Emma Thompson and Michelle Yeoh are so great,

[1:04:10] they're so much fun to watch,

[1:04:12] uh,

[1:04:12] I wonder if Michelle Yeoh and,

[1:04:14] uh,

[1:04:14] Henry Golding talked about all the fun times they had on the set of Crazy Rich Asians,

[1:04:18] but,

[1:04:19] you know,

[1:04:19] maybe that's for the book about the making of this movie,

[1:04:21] and,

[1:04:22] uh,

[1:04:23] it,

[1:04:25] I feel like,

[1:04:25] I feel like for,

[1:04:27] like,

[1:04:27] a test run for,

[1:04:28] like,

[1:04:28] a George Michael themed,

[1:04:30] like,

[1:04:30] jukebox musical,

[1:04:31] this is a pretty good,

[1:04:33] like,

[1:04:33] initial statement,

[1:04:34] like,

[1:04:34] I feel like you could turn this into a full-on musical,

[1:04:37] like,

[1:04:37] a stage musical,

[1:04:39] uh,

[1:04:40] yeah,

[1:04:41] so,

[1:04:42] uh,

[1:04:42] come on,

[1:04:43] Broadway,

[1:04:43] uh,

[1:04:44] give it all the COVID,

[1:04:45] and come back with one of those things,

[1:04:46] come on,

[1:04:47] Broadway,

[1:04:48] it's on you,

[1:04:49] it's an easy step one,

[1:04:50] I would say,

[1:04:50] this is a movie I kind of like,

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:52] uh,

[1:04:53] I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that I kind of liked it,

[1:04:56] because it's not like,

[1:04:57] uh,

[1:04:58] I didn't,

[1:04:58] I don't think this is a bad,

[1:04:59] bad,

[1:04:59] or a good bad,

[1:05:00] but I think it's in that realm of,

[1:05:02] like,

[1:05:02] this is not necessarily a bad movie,

[1:05:04] but it's not a for,

[1:05:05] it's not for me type of movie,

[1:05:07] like,

[1:05:08] I kept kind of,

[1:05:08] as,

[1:05:09] as super charming as Emilia Clarke is,

[1:05:11] the movie is like,

[1:05:12] never really,

[1:05:13] like,

[1:05:14] funny,

[1:05:15] and there are a few times when it's trying to be funny,

[1:05:17] there's a joke about nuts and nutcrackers,

[1:05:19] that I found so,

[1:05:20] incredibly,

[1:05:22] loathsome,

[1:05:23] that it was like,

[1:05:23] movie,

[1:05:24] you're better than this,

[1:05:25] come on,

[1:05:26] uh,

[1:05:26] but,

[1:05:27] there were times when I was like,

[1:05:29] oh,

[1:05:29] there's a more,

[1:05:30] like,

[1:05:30] I wanted this movie to go,

[1:05:31] to be a little bit less,

[1:05:33] cutesy,

[1:05:33] and go a little bit farther into like,

[1:05:35] Emma Thompson and Michelle Yeoh's characters,

[1:05:37] partly because they're amazing actors,

[1:05:39] but also like,

[1:05:40] there's something about,

[1:05:41] their experience as,

[1:05:43] like,

[1:05:44] first generation,

[1:05:45] as like immigrants,

[1:05:46] basically,

[1:05:47] that are making their way in this place,

[1:05:49] and kind of doing whatever they have to,

[1:05:50] where I was like,

[1:05:50] oh,

[1:05:50] I've never seen,

[1:05:51] like,

[1:05:52] a Christmas movie,

[1:05:53] that is from that angle,

[1:05:54] but,

[1:05:54] they touched on it a little bit,

[1:05:56] uh,

[1:05:56] so that's alright,

[1:05:57] but I would say,

[1:05:58] look,

[1:05:59] if you're looking for a movie to watch,

[1:06:01] with your family,

[1:06:02] when you visit your parents,

[1:06:03] on a holiday,

[1:06:04] this movie will be fine for everybody,

[1:06:06] and it'll solve that problem,

[1:06:08] and I think Stuart is exactly right,

[1:06:10] this would be,

[1:06:10] I think,

[1:06:11] even more successful creatively,

[1:06:12] as a George Michael jukebox,

[1:06:14] or,

[1:06:14] or Wham!

[1:06:14] jukebox musical,

[1:06:16] uh,

[1:06:16] that's on stage,

[1:06:17] I think the ghost twist,

[1:06:19] would be a lot easier to take,

[1:06:20] as like,

[1:06:21] kind of a fun thing,

[1:06:22] on a stage show,

[1:06:23] than in a movie,

[1:06:24] because in a movie,

[1:06:24] you're like,

[1:06:26] uh,

[1:06:26] expecting more,

[1:06:27] I guess.

[1:06:27] Well,

[1:06:27] I was also just like,

Dan McCoy

[1:06:29] when I was watching this with Audrey,

[1:06:30] who really enjoys it,

[1:06:31] but enjoys it more as a bad movie,

[1:06:33] than I do,

[1:06:33] I think,

[1:06:34] she was like,

[1:06:35] oh,

[1:06:35] this,

[1:06:35] this like,

[1:06:37] twist is so dumb,

[1:06:38] and I'm like,

[1:06:39] yeah,

[1:06:40] it is,

[1:06:40] but,

[1:06:41] I also think,

[1:06:42] sort of like what you're saying,

[1:06:43] if this was a movie from like,

[1:06:45] 1938,

[1:06:47] or something,

[1:06:47] we'd accept it more,

[1:06:48] because we'd be like,

[1:06:49] oh,

[1:06:49] okay,

[1:06:50] like,

[1:06:50] I understand this context,

[1:06:52] for sort of light,

[1:06:52] romantic,

[1:06:53] supernatural comedy,

[1:06:54] you know?

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:55] Well,

[1:06:56] here's,

[1:06:56] here's the difference,

[1:06:56] I think would be,

[1:06:57] if they did it in the 30s,

[1:06:59] I think there would be probably,

[1:07:00] more of a genuine sense of,

[1:07:03] like,

[1:07:04] um,

[1:07:05] when the reveal,

[1:07:06] or the ending,

[1:07:07] would have more of a genuine sense,

[1:07:08] of religiosity to it,

[1:07:10] which I think would help,

[1:07:10] in some ways,

[1:07:11] but also,

[1:07:12] here's what you do with this movie,

[1:07:13] don't make it the twist at the end,

[1:07:14] have her find out he's a ghost,

[1:07:15] like,

[1:07:16] halfway through,

[1:07:17] like,

[1:07:18] a quarter of the way in,

[1:07:19] something,

[1:07:19] you know,

[1:07:19] maybe not a quarter,

[1:07:20] like a third of the way in,

[1:07:21] and then,

[1:07:21] that way it doesn't become,

[1:07:22] the movie's only twist,

[1:07:23] and then you get her dealing with a ghost,

[1:07:25] which is,

[1:07:26] opens up a whole,

[1:07:27] a whole new world,

[1:07:27] so here's what we do,

[1:07:28] we make it a stage show,

[1:07:29] we put some more George Michael songs in there,

[1:07:31] and we find out that he's a ghost,

[1:07:33] earlier in it,

[1:07:34] so it's not,

[1:07:34] it doesn't feel like it's a slender read,

[1:07:36] that the whole movie is resting on,

[1:07:37] you know,

[1:07:38] okay,

[1:07:39] it's a little bit like,

[1:07:40] if you,

[1:07:40] if you made memento,

[1:07:41] and at the end you were like,

[1:07:42] and by the way,

[1:07:43] he doesn't have his memory,

[1:07:44] he'd be like,

[1:07:44] wait,

[1:07:45] what,

[1:07:45] that's,

[1:07:46] that's what I was waiting for this whole time,

[1:07:47] but when you know that going in,

[1:07:49] it's just smooth gravy,

[1:07:51] guys,

[1:07:52] this is like Caitlin,

[1:07:53] for smooth gravy,

[1:07:54] you like smooth gravy?

[1:07:55] Here's,

[1:07:56] a lot of people don't realize,

[1:07:57] how smooth gravy can be,

[1:07:59] and so,

[1:08:00] we here at Smooth Gravy,

[1:08:01] have decided to take out,

[1:08:02] the worst part of gravy,

[1:08:04] the lumps,

[1:08:04] and give you just that,

[1:08:05] smooth,

[1:08:06] smooth,

[1:08:07] gravy liquid,

Dan McCoy

[1:08:08] but the lumps are usually the meat,

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:10] yeah,

[1:08:11] well,

[1:08:11] we just keep churning that meat,

[1:08:13] till it's super,

[1:08:13] super smooth,

[1:08:15] you know,

[1:08:15] we sand it down,

[1:08:16] sanded meat is another,

[1:08:17] another product I've been working on,

[1:08:19] gross,

[1:08:24] Hi,

S5

[1:08:26] I'm Allie Gertz,

[1:08:27] and I'm Julia Prescott,

[1:08:28] and we host,

[1:08:29] Round Springfield,

[1:08:30] Round Springfield,

[1:08:31] is a Simpsons adjacent podcast,

[1:08:33] where we talk to your favorite,

[1:08:34] Simpsons writers,

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[1:09:09] I listen to Bullseye,

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[1:09:17] what did John Malkovich,

Dan McCoy

[1:09:19] wear when he was 20,

[1:09:20] I don't know how to describe it,

[1:09:23] there's always that moment,

[1:09:24] where Jesse asks a question,

[1:09:26] that the person he's interviewing,

[1:09:28] has not thought of before,

[1:09:30] I don't think anyone's ever,

Hallie Haglund

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[1:11:00] There's one more thing,

[1:11:01] we'd like to promote,

[1:11:02] that is,

[1:11:03] on August 15th,

[1:11:04] we'll be doing,

[1:11:05] our promised,

[1:11:06] threatened,

[1:11:07] long awaited reading,

[1:11:08] of the script,

[1:11:09] for the boy next door,

[1:11:10] that's right,

[1:11:10] this was a reward,

[1:11:11] to our Flophouse listeners,

[1:11:13] for all the charitable giving,

[1:11:14] they gave,

[1:11:15] during our Howard the Duck,

[1:11:16] live talk,

[1:11:18] stream,

[1:11:19] video,

[1:11:19] thing,

[1:11:20] for charity,

[1:11:21] we were really amazed,

[1:11:23] by how many people,

[1:11:24] turned out for that,

[1:11:25] how much money,

[1:11:25] they donated,

[1:11:26] we were really inspired by it,

[1:11:27] so we,

[1:11:28] did the only thing,

[1:11:28] we could do,

[1:11:29] with that inspiration,

[1:11:30] and we organized,

[1:11:31] a reading of the script,

[1:11:32] for the boy next door,

[1:11:33] starring Jennifer Lopez,

[1:11:34] and other people,

[1:11:35] that's going to be,

[1:11:36] Saturday,

[1:11:37] August 15th,

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[1:11:40] you want to see it,

[1:11:41] just go to the Flophouse,

[1:11:41] YouTube page,

[1:11:42] that's www.youtube.com,

[1:11:44] slash C,

[1:11:45] slash,

[1:11:45] the Flophouse podcast,

[1:11:47] or you can also just,

[1:11:48] Google Flophouse podcast,

[1:11:50] YouTube page,

[1:11:51] I did that,

[1:11:51] and it took me,

[1:11:52] to the same basic place,

[1:11:53] it's going to be us,

[1:11:55] Hallie's going to be there,

[1:11:56] should we,

[1:11:56] should we mention,

[1:11:57] right off the bat,

[1:11:58] that yes,

[1:11:59] the dream casting is happening,

[1:12:00] Dan McCoy will be playing,

[1:12:02] the part of Jennifer Lopez,

[1:12:03] and Hallie,

[1:12:04] will be playing,

[1:12:04] the titular boy,

[1:12:06] who creeps all over,

[1:12:07] Jennifer Lopez,

[1:12:08] so if you ever wanted to see,

[1:12:10] Hallie creep on Dan,

[1:12:12] this is the time to do it,

[1:12:13] she will have the immortal line,

[1:12:15] I love your mom's cookies,

[1:12:16] as said in the movie,

[1:12:18] The Boy Next Door,

[1:12:19] so again,

[1:12:19] that's August 15th,

[1:12:20] 9pm Eastern,

[1:12:21] 6pm Pacific,

[1:12:23] www.youtube.com,

[1:12:25] slash C,

[1:12:25] slash,

[1:12:26] the Flophouse podcast,

[1:12:27] it should be a lot of fun,

[1:12:28] other people will be in the cast too,

[1:12:29] you'll see them,

[1:12:30] at the time.

[1:12:32] Yay,

Dan McCoy

[1:12:33] that sounds good,

[1:12:34] that sounds like something to do,

[1:12:36] right guys?

[1:12:37] To while away the hours?

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:39] We're all looking for something to do.

[1:12:40] Nothing else to do.

[1:12:42] Hey,

[1:12:42] just get yourself,

[1:12:43] your family,

[1:12:44] the ghost that lives in your heart,

[1:12:45] pop some popcorn,

[1:12:46] and just tune in.

[1:12:47] Oh, you guys,

Hallie Haglund

[1:12:47] I was thinking,

[1:12:48] what if this movie were named,

[1:12:51] The Haunted Heart?

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:53] I love it,

[1:12:54] kind of gives away the twist,

[1:12:55] but.

Dan McCoy

[1:12:58] Okay,

[1:12:59] alright,

[1:13:00] sorry for,

[1:13:01] jumping past that before.

[1:13:07] Okay,

[1:13:07] guys,

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:08] have you ever seen,

[1:13:08] could I do a version of the Telltale Heart,

[1:13:10] that's all little kids,

[1:13:11] and it's called the Tattletale Heart?

Dan McCoy

[1:13:13] You could do that.

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:15] There's no law against that,

[1:13:16] right?

[1:13:16] Nope.

Dan McCoy

[1:13:18] Let's do letters now,

[1:13:19] from listeners,

[1:13:20] like you,

[1:13:22] who are listening.

[1:13:23] This is from Tim,

[1:13:24] last name withheld,

[1:13:25] who writes,

[1:13:26] Dear Danny Dan and the Floppy Bunch,

[1:13:29] Who would win in a battle?

[1:13:30] Stu's liver,

[1:13:31] Dan's good knee,

[1:13:31] or Elliot's forearm hair?

[1:13:34] Also,

[1:13:35] after re-watching,

[1:13:36] The Disaster Artist,

[1:13:37] and realizing that the movie is,

[1:13:38] not very good,

[1:13:40] sorry,

[1:13:41] I realized that the movie is not very good,

[1:13:43] and Franco the Younger,

[1:13:44] was a terrible casting choice,

[1:13:46] for Greg Sestero,

[1:13:47] and his beard looked,

[1:13:48] Nick Cage,

[1:13:49] hairpiece terrible.

[1:13:51] On the other hand,

[1:13:51] he was very well cast,

[1:13:53] in Jump Street.

[1:13:54] What are some of movie history's,

[1:13:56] worst casting choices,

[1:13:58] in your minds?

[1:13:59] Getting a weird French dude,

[1:14:01] to play the lead in Highlander,

[1:14:03] was sick though.

[1:14:04] Thank you for continuing,

[1:14:05] to inject joy,

[1:14:06] into my sad,

[1:14:07] collapsing veins,

[1:14:09] Tim,

[1:14:09] last name withheld.

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:12] I'm glad that somebody,

[1:14:14] finally took Elliot down a notch,

[1:14:15] for that crazy ass arm hair,

[1:14:17] you have.

[1:14:17] Thank you,

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:18] you're right.

[1:14:19] Finally.

[1:14:20] Take that,

[1:14:21] take that,

[1:14:21] my Eastern European ancestors,

[1:14:23] how dare you.

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:23] Is it the arm hair,

[1:14:24] on your forearm,

[1:14:25] or the arm hair,

[1:14:26] that creeps out of the,

[1:14:27] the edges of your tank tops?

[1:14:29] Oh wow.

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:30] You mean my armpit hair?

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:33] No,

[1:14:33] but,

[1:14:34] but is it armpit hair,

[1:14:35] when it kind of like,

[1:14:36] sprouts out of the top,

[1:14:38] of your shoulders,

[1:14:38] and then migrates down,

[1:14:40] toward your fingers?

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:40] No,

[1:14:40] that's shoulder hair,

[1:14:41] Stuart.

[1:14:43] No,

[1:14:43] you're right,

[1:14:43] I apologize,

[1:14:44] it's a crime against nature,

[1:14:45] that even though,

[1:14:46] I evolved from a primate,

[1:14:47] I retained the body hair,

[1:14:48] of said animal.

[1:14:50] And I will be talking to my,

[1:14:52] I'll be talking to my,

[1:14:53] manscaper about it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:14:55] Yeah.

[1:14:56] Okay.

[1:14:56] You can get that threaded dude,

[1:14:58] you can get that threaded right off.

[1:14:59] I mean,

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:59] or it's thick,

[1:15:00] I could turn it into a topiary,

[1:15:02] who knows,

[1:15:02] let's do it.

[1:15:03] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:15:03] We're airing all the laundry,

[1:15:05] hey,

[1:15:05] I'll start with the.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:06] it's,

[1:15:07] we're airing what's under the laundry,

[1:15:09] my hair.

Dan McCoy

[1:15:11] Bravo.

[1:15:13] Miss casting.

[1:15:14] Actually,

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:15] I will say,

[1:15:15] my,

[1:15:16] if I ever,

[1:15:17] I end up,

[1:15:18] I end up shirtless at my house a lot,

[1:15:19] because my children are constantly getting,

[1:15:21] gook all over my shirt,

[1:15:23] and my,

[1:15:25] or,

[1:15:25] and also,

[1:15:25] or we'll be swimming or something.

[1:15:27] And my,

[1:15:28] my toddler boy,

[1:15:28] he likes to run his hair,

[1:15:30] his fingers through my chest hair,

[1:15:31] and he goes,

[1:15:32] I like your fur.

[1:15:34] Daddy,

[1:15:35] I like your fur.

Hallie Haglund

[1:15:37] That's so gross.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:39] I think it's very adorable.

Hallie Haglund

[1:15:41] It is cute.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:43] Um,

[1:15:43] the part of it that is about my body,

[1:15:45] that's gross,

[1:15:46] but what he does is not.

[1:15:48] Um,

[1:15:49] there's no sexual aspect to it,

[1:15:50] Hallie.

[1:15:50] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[1:15:52] Although,

[1:15:53] Daddy,

[1:15:53] I love your fur,

[1:15:54] it would be a very sexual thing to say under certain contexts.

[1:15:57] I mean,

[1:15:57] it depends on who's saying it to who.

[1:15:59] Yeah.

[1:16:00] Um,

[1:16:00] okay,

[1:16:00] so,

[1:16:02] miscasting.

Elliott Kalan

[1:16:02] If it was,

[1:16:03] if it was Scrappy-Doo saying it to Snagglepuss,

[1:16:06] then yes.

[1:16:07] Yeah.

[1:16:07] That's incredibly sexual.

Stuart Wellington

[1:16:09] I mean,

[1:16:09] I,

[1:16:09] I certainly am going to have to remove it from my sexual,

[1:16:12] uh,

[1:16:12] repertoire.

[1:16:13] Yeah.

[1:16:14] Because I'll just bring up images of Elliot.

[1:16:16] Okay.

[1:16:16] So,

[1:16:17] what are we talking about?

[1:16:17] We're talking about miscasting.

Dan McCoy

[1:16:19] Uh,

[1:16:19] and I think that,

[1:16:20] like,

[1:16:21] you know,

[1:16:21] just to dispense with it up top,

[1:16:23] obviously there's a huge,

[1:16:25] uh,

[1:16:25] problem of whitewashing or casting,

[1:16:28] uh,

[1:16:29] people of not a certain race,

[1:16:31] as a race,

[1:16:32] uh,

[1:16:33] that I don't think we can necessarily touch on here,

[1:16:35] but if we're talking about miscasting,

[1:16:37] I just wanted to say that,

[1:16:38] but in terms of like,

[1:16:40] just like the type of person that would have these roles,

[1:16:43] I mean,

[1:16:43] Elliot,

[1:16:44] I'm sorry,

[1:16:44] I interrupted you,

[1:16:45] uh,

[1:16:45] before I get to mine,

[1:16:46] what were you going to say?

[1:16:47] No,

[1:16:47] I don't remember.

[1:16:48] Oh,

[1:16:49] sorry.

[1:16:49] Well then I'll continue.

[1:16:50] Uh,

[1:16:51] the thing that came to my mind was,

[1:16:54] uh,

[1:16:54] appropriate since Emma Thompson was in this.

[1:16:57] I've got two talk show hosts here.

[1:16:59] Uh,

[1:17:00] when Emma Thompson,

[1:17:00] Emma Thompson was in the movie late night,

[1:17:02] uh,

[1:17:03] which was almost a studio 60 level misunderstanding of what it is to be a comedy writer,

[1:17:09] which was weird since,

[1:17:10] uh,

[1:17:11] since Mindy Kaling wrote it,

[1:17:12] but,

[1:17:12] um,

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:13] but she's not a late night writer.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:14] That's true.

[1:17:15] That's true.

[1:17:15] I shouldn't,

[1:17:16] but she surely knows anyway.

[1:17:17] Uh,

[1:17:18] so Emma Thompson,

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:19] you would be surprised.

[1:17:19] This is just speaking as a,

[1:17:21] as speaking as someone who has recently spent a lot of time,

[1:17:24] uh,

[1:17:24] with,

[1:17:25] uh,

[1:17:25] members of the writer's guilds negotiating a contract.

[1:17:27] You'd be surprised how little anyone knows about how late night writing works.

Dan McCoy

[1:17:32] Yeah.

[1:17:32] All right.

[1:17:33] Okay.

[1:17:33] Well,

[1:17:33] fair enough.

[1:17:34] But anyway,

[1:17:34] Emma Thompson in late night and Robert De Niro and the Joker both,

[1:17:39] uh,

[1:17:39] fail at convincing that they come out and like read monologue jokes every night and people

[1:17:44] like it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:17:45] I mean,

[1:17:45] Robert De Niro in Joker is,

[1:17:47] I think the worst performance as a talk show host I've ever seen.

[1:17:51] Like it's so bad.

[1:17:52] He's so totally like uncharismatic.

[1:17:56] And it's,

[1:17:57] it's one of those things where it's like,

[1:17:59] I can't believe they gave Pupkin his own show.

[1:18:03] Cause he's not very good at it.

[1:18:04] Cause it's,

[1:18:05] it's the same character for King of Comedy,

[1:18:06] right?

[1:18:06] Like that's the only explanation I can think of is that he got that job in the

[1:18:10] eighties and now he's coasting like Letterman at the end of his career.

[1:18:13] And he's just kind of like,

[1:18:14] doesn't care anymore.

[1:18:15] In which case it's the best performance I've ever seen.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:18] Anyone else have anything to say?

Stuart Wellington

[1:18:20] You don't have to.

[1:18:21] Yeah.

[1:18:21] I mean,

[1:18:21] obviously one of the great ones is,

[1:18:23] uh,

[1:18:24] Denise Richards as Christmas Jones and,

[1:18:26] uh,

[1:18:26] the nuclear physicist in the James Bond movie.

[1:18:29] Um,

[1:18:29] that's great.

[1:18:30] And,

[1:18:31] uh,

[1:18:32] I don't like recently.

[1:18:34] These are both,

[1:18:34] uh,

[1:18:35] TV shows.

[1:18:36] Uh,

[1:18:37] but there's that,

[1:18:38] there's that show sneaky Pete where,

[1:18:40] uh,

[1:18:40] Giovanni Ribisi plays a con man.

[1:18:42] And I'm like,

[1:18:43] nothing about this guy inspires confidence.

[1:18:46] Like,

Dan McCoy

[1:18:47] I will not believe a word he says.

Stuart Wellington

[1:18:49] He seems like he is,

[1:18:51] has one foot out the door the whole time.

Dan McCoy

[1:18:53] Yeah.

[1:18:53] You're playing the subtext there as text.

[1:18:56] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:18:56] And,

[1:18:57] uh,

[1:18:57] and then there's,

[1:18:58] uh,

[1:18:59] there's that show that I actually ended up liking a lot that,

[1:19:01] uh,

[1:19:01] on HBO run,

[1:19:03] uh,

[1:19:04] with Merritt Weaver and Domino Gleeson,

[1:19:05] where Domino Gleeson plays a,

[1:19:08] like a motivational speaker.

[1:19:09] And there's nothing about him that makes me think that he can like that people would listen to what he has to say and follow along.

Elliott Kalan

[1:19:17] I have two.

[1:19:18] I'll mention,

[1:19:19] uh,

[1:19:19] one of them for,

[1:19:20] there,

[1:19:20] but there are a lot of old movies where there is a,

[1:19:22] a bad piece of casting,

[1:19:24] but looking at Flophouse movies,

[1:19:26] I would say that Valerian and the city of a thousand planets,

[1:19:29] uh,

[1:19:29] they,

[1:19:30] they really like miscast those leads quite a bit when they got,

[1:19:35] like they,

[1:19:35] it was like,

[1:19:36] they were like,

[1:19:36] you two play against type as much as possible.

[1:19:38] It's going to be great.

[1:19:39] And they just kind of disappear into the,

[1:19:41] into the movie around them because they can't really carry it.

[1:19:44] But I would say that the movie,

[1:19:45] the post,

[1:19:46] the riveting tale of a newspaper that is reporting on something else.

[1:19:50] Another root newspaper is doing.

[1:19:51] Uh,

[1:19:52] the,

[1:19:53] the story is so exciting that the final verdict by the judge is delivered via somebody hearing it over the phone and then repeating it to their office mates.

[1:20:01] Uh,

[1:20:01] obviously there's a lot of issues with the movie,

[1:20:03] but,

[1:20:04] uh,

[1:20:04] Tom Hanks,

[1:20:05] I felt like was kind of on autopilot and next to him,

[1:20:08] you had Bob Odenkirk doing,

[1:20:10] I thought a really good performance as the,

[1:20:12] like in that kind of second tier of,

[1:20:14] uh,

[1:20:15] roles in it.

[1:20:16] And I would have loved to have seen Bob Odenkirk play the Tom Hanks role.

[1:20:19] Cause I feel like he would have worked harder at it.

[1:20:21] Whereas Tom Hanks was just kind of like,

[1:20:23] I'm Tom Hanks.

[1:20:24] I'm just doing a Tom Hanks thing.

[1:20:25] Come on,

[1:20:26] everybody.

[1:20:26] It's me,

[1:20:27] Tom Hanks.

[1:20:28] And I love Tom Hanks.

[1:20:29] He's great.

[1:20:29] But sometimes Tom Hanks,

[1:20:31] you got to do more than just be Tom Hanks.

[1:20:33] Like maybe be the captain of a World War II naval ship.

[1:20:35] I haven't seen it yet.

[1:20:36] Is it any good?

Dan McCoy

[1:20:37] Not that I heard.

[1:20:38] Hallie,

[1:20:38] do you have anything?

[1:20:40] At all?

[1:20:40] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[1:20:41] Uh,

[1:20:43] I don't know if you guys are,

[1:20:45] well,

[1:20:46] I would say just off the Tom Hanks thing,

[1:20:48] if we talk in Da Vinci code,

[1:20:50] like the Tom Hanks,

[1:20:52] Audrey,

[1:20:53] tattoo,

[1:20:54] whatever,

[1:20:55] coupling was infamously bad.

[1:20:58] But,

[1:20:59] my real beef,

[1:21:00] well,

[1:21:01] I actually had a lot of ideas in this.

[1:21:03] The first one that came to mind

[1:21:04] was Julia Roberts and Mary Riley.

[1:21:09] Oh yeah.

[1:21:10] Oh yeah.

[1:21:10] Interesting.

[1:21:11] Yeah.

[1:21:12] Yeah.

[1:21:13] Yeah.

[1:21:13] Me and Julia Roberts in Mary Riley.

[1:21:17] I had a big crush on,

[1:21:19] uh,

[1:21:19] John Malkovich when I was young.

[1:21:21] So I saw all his movies.

[1:21:23] Uh,

[1:21:23] that is,

[1:21:24] that is a sentence.

[1:21:25] That is a sentence that is very Hallie.

[1:21:27] There were bad.

[1:21:28] That's a very Hallie Hagelin thing to say.

[1:21:30] And yet he was poorly cast in a lot of things.

[1:21:35] Cause he's,

[1:21:37] you know,

[1:21:38] can't do act.

[1:21:39] He's not great at accents or,

[1:21:41] uh,

[1:21:42] you know,

[1:21:42] uh,

[1:21:42] I think of mice and men was,

[1:21:44] uh,

[1:21:45] a stretch for him.

[1:21:46] Uh,

[1:21:46] but in Mary Riley,

[1:21:48] I think,

[1:21:48] uh,

[1:21:49] Julia Roberts was the real problem.

[1:21:51] Uh,

[1:21:51] she could not nail the Irish accent.

[1:21:53] She was trying to pull off and it just like,

[1:21:56] wasn't her genre.

[1:21:56] she's,

[1:21:57] she's,

Hallie Haglund

[1:21:57] she's,

[1:21:57] it's kind of like Amelia Clark being cast in all these super serious roles.

[1:22:02] We want to joy.

[1:22:03] We want a joyful Julia Roberts,

[1:22:04] you know?

Stuart Wellington

[1:22:05] Do you think,

[1:22:06] do you think John Malkovich did of mice and men because Tom Noonan wasn't around and they just grabbed the nearest other guy that was kind of like Tom Noonan?

[1:22:13] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:14] Probably when a huge superstar Tom Noonan dropped out of the role,

[1:22:17] they had to scramble and all they could get was John Malkovich.

[1:22:21] I just want to say,

Dan McCoy

[1:22:22] sorry,

[1:22:24] with what Hallie was saying,

[1:22:25] like the miscasting thing,

[1:22:26] it often,

[1:22:27] it just goes to show you that like,

[1:22:30] like,

[1:22:30] I don't want to seem like we're down on actors because I think it kind of proves that oftentimes actors are so at the mercy of what they're given.

[1:22:38] I mean,

[1:22:38] there's some people who obviously transcend every time,

[1:22:40] but like,

[1:22:41] it is so hard to do that,

[1:22:42] that like you see people who have,

[1:22:45] have not impressed you for years and then they like turn out like,

[1:22:48] Oh no,

[1:22:48] you're fantastic at this.

[1:22:50] And it's because they got the opportunity to show it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:52] Well,

[1:22:52] I think it's,

[1:22:53] it's not necessarily,

[1:22:54] I mean,

[1:22:54] that's one way to put it is the,

[1:22:56] what they're given.

[1:22:56] But I think it,

[1:22:56] it also goes to show that like actors are not to be an actor and even a great actor is not this myth of,

[1:23:02] well,

[1:23:02] he can play anything or she can play anything.

[1:23:04] Yeah.

[1:23:04] It's like,

[1:23:04] like John Malkovich,

[1:23:05] I think for a while that was like,

[1:23:08] he's a great actor.

[1:23:09] The guy can do anything when really he's great,

[1:23:12] but he has a certain type of character he can play.

[1:23:15] And it's like that with,

[1:23:16] I feel like there's every,

[1:23:17] every big star at a certain point,

[1:23:19] they get to that point where it's just like,

[1:23:20] I'm going to play it all.

[1:23:21] Or they say,

[1:23:22] well,

[1:23:22] we just need a big name.

[1:23:23] Let's throw them in.

[1:23:24] And it is not the right thing for them to do.

[1:23:27] Yeah.

[1:23:27] You know,

Hallie Haglund

[1:23:27] but I also think that the problem is like,

[1:23:29] there's this conflation of like good actor with intensity,

[1:23:32] which I actually,

[1:23:34] despite my earlier flame for John Malkovich upon revisiting some old Mary Riley scenes.

[1:23:40] I was like,

[1:23:41] oh yeah,

[1:23:41] like maybe John Malkovich actually kind of sucks.

[1:23:44] And he's just really intense because one person who I was thinking about,

[1:23:48] who I was like,

[1:23:48] is always miscast,

[1:23:50] except for in billions,

[1:23:51] which is a totally ridiculous show is,

[1:23:53] is Paul Giamatti.

[1:23:55] I always think he's bad.

[1:23:56] And I'm always like,

[1:23:57] I don't understand why he's the most famous,

[1:24:00] you know,

[1:24:00] like such a,

[1:24:01] such a respected actor because all he is,

[1:24:04] is like intensity.

[1:24:05] He's not like,

[1:24:06] did I watch John Adams?

[1:24:08] Is that what you're going to ask?

[1:24:08] No,

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:09] no.

[1:24:09] I was going to say,

[1:24:09] did you ever see Win Win?

[1:24:10] Oh no.

[1:24:11] He's,

[1:24:11] it's a,

[1:24:12] it's a,

[1:24:12] it's,

[1:24:13] he's still playing,

[1:24:13] it's still a serious movie,

[1:24:14] but he's much lighter in it.

[1:24:16] And I think you're exactly right.

[1:24:18] It's like,

[1:24:18] there's like,

[1:24:19] you look at John Malkovich and you look at his performance in being John Malkovich.

[1:24:22] And he's so,

[1:24:23] he's playing,

[1:24:24] he's lightly playing an intense character in that.

[1:24:27] And it's so much better than in the movies where he's like,

[1:24:29] blah,

[1:24:30] blah,

[1:24:31] you know,

[1:24:31] like where he's barking and things like that.

[1:24:32] Like that one where he played a dog,

[1:24:34] dog Malkovich,

[1:24:35] where he's just barking.

[1:24:37] I,

[1:24:37] I have to say that I,

Dan McCoy

[1:24:39] I,

[1:24:40] I can't,

[1:24:40] I agree with Hallie.

[1:24:41] I cannot let go of this joke that was killed by Elliot,

[1:24:44] uh,

[1:24:44] mentioning being John Malkovich.

[1:24:46] I was going to say that like when Hallie was like,

[1:24:49] uh,

[1:24:49] I don't know whether John Malkovich is good or bad.

[1:24:51] I was going to be like,

[1:24:53] well,

[1:24:53] then come with me to this,

[1:24:54] through this flesh tube and we'll go on a trip to his brain to discover once

[1:24:59] and for all,

[1:25:00] what's the deal with John Malkovich.

[1:25:02] Everybody come on board to the flesh tube.

[1:25:06] I'm continuing to talk because you're also nonplussed by me going back and

[1:25:12] rescuing that joke that should have just died.

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:16] It is a little bit like,

[1:25:17] uh,

[1:25:18] like in blue velvet,

[1:25:19] him going to rescue the hostage and the hostage is dead already.

[1:25:23] So Hallie,

[1:25:24] what else?

[1:25:24] The other ones you got?

[1:25:24] Hallie,

[1:25:25] did you have any other ones?

Hallie Haglund

[1:25:26] Oh,

[1:25:26] I also,

[1:25:27] well,

[1:25:27] here was my thing is I also think that Michelle Williams is,

[1:25:32] someone who's all about intensity and get so much praise for being super

[1:25:36] intense,

[1:25:37] but like often,

[1:25:38] uh,

[1:25:39] stands out in not a good way in her casting,

[1:25:42] even though I know she's like very highly critically acclaimed.

[1:25:45] And then I Googled it and I saw that Paul Giamatti and Michelle Williams were in a movie

[1:25:49] together about some hawk.

[1:25:51] And I was like,

[1:25:51] I got to see this.

[1:25:52] Cause this is the problem.

[1:25:54] Like,

[1:25:54] this is probably the movie I'd see.

[1:25:56] Or I'd say it was like worst cast,

[1:25:58] but I couldn't say.

[1:25:59] Cause I didn't see it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:00] Is that the hawk's dying?

[1:26:02] That one?

Dan McCoy

[1:26:02] It's Lady Hawk.

Hallie Haglund

[1:26:04] That was Lady Hawk?

[1:26:04] No,

[1:26:04] it's like a hawk died or something.

Dan McCoy

[1:26:07] I love that you went so far down this like rabbit hole of your least favorite actors that you like,

[1:26:13] you're like connecting red yarn over to this hawk movie.

[1:26:16] And you're like,

[1:26:16] I got to see this.

[1:26:17] I got to track this down.

Hallie Haglund

[1:26:19] The thing is,

[1:26:19] I actually like Michelle Williams,

[1:26:22] but I,

[1:26:22] I guess I don't really like her as an actress.

[1:26:24] I,

[1:26:25] I like her,

[1:26:26] the idea of her,

[1:26:27] but I never like watching her and stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:31] Uh,

[1:26:32] somebody's never seen Wendy and Lucy.

[1:26:34] What?

Hallie Haglund

[1:26:34] I never saw Fosse Verdon.

[1:26:36] I never saw that.

[1:26:37] The Hawk is Dying is the name of the movie I'm talking about.

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:40] Actually,

[1:26:41] I know exactly.

[1:26:41] In Fosse Verdon,

[1:26:42] she's very good in it.

[1:26:43] But I had that same kind of issue where she's playing Gwen Verdon and she doesn't have the like spark that Gwen Verdon has when you see like tape for performance.

[1:26:53] And it was just like,

[1:26:55] there were times when I was like,

[1:26:59] come on,

[1:26:59] Michelle.

[1:27:00] Like,

[1:27:00] I'm sure there were moments Gwen Verdon wasn't living all of her past traumas at the same moment in her mind,

[1:27:05] you know,

[1:27:05] but I guess that's kind of what the show was all about.

Dan McCoy

[1:27:09] Uh,

[1:27:10] hey,

[1:27:10] there's another letter.

[1:27:11] Let's do it fast.

[1:27:12] Robert Lasting withheld.

[1:27:13] Wait,

Elliott Kalan

[1:27:13] are there any more after this one?

[1:27:15] No,

[1:27:15] that's it.

[1:27:15] So you're saying this is the last letter?

[1:27:17] Yeah.

[1:27:17] Cause last letter,

[1:27:19] I asked you a question.

[1:27:21] The very next day,

[1:27:23] you answered my question.

[1:27:25] thank you for answering my question.

[1:27:27] answering my question.

[1:27:28] And first,

[1:27:29] cause you read my question.

[1:27:33] Last letter.

[1:27:34] This is that letter.

[1:27:36] After this letter,

[1:27:38] there are no more letters.

[1:27:40] In the alphabet,

[1:27:42] it would be Z.

[1:27:43] Cause that's literally the last letter.

[1:27:48] This letter.

[1:27:49] This letter.

[1:27:49] You'd say it's the last.

[1:27:51] And you'd be right.

[1:27:52] I guess that's the sad part.

[1:27:53] Cause it is the last.

[1:27:55] When this letter is passed,

[1:27:58] there won't be any more letters.

[1:28:00] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[1:28:01] That's enough of that.

[1:28:02] Wait,

[1:28:03] I put my phone down,

[1:28:04] which had the letter.

[1:28:04] Also,

Stuart Wellington

[1:28:04] also kind of highlighting what I don't like about the song.

[1:28:09] So Robert,

[1:28:10] the music video of last Christmas is fucking incredible.

[1:28:14] And you should just watch that for two and a half hours.

Dan McCoy

[1:28:16] Tells a full story.

[1:28:18] Robert,

[1:28:18] last name with Helen writes,

[1:28:20] when I was in college,

[1:28:21] I took a class and we presented with the question of if a piece of media had ever changed our outlook on life.

[1:28:28] A trans man in my class responded by saying that Pinocchio made him feel like he belonged because he,

[1:28:34] because he also was sure he was a real boy,

[1:28:38] which was such a profound answer that it blew my mind.

[1:28:41] My question is,

[1:28:42] has someone ever given an opinion on something that has profoundly changed how you thought of a piece of media?

[1:28:48] Sincerely,

[1:28:48] Robert,

[1:28:49] last name withheld.

[1:28:52] There's a lot of pondering going on.

[1:28:55] It's a pretty deep question.

Hallie Haglund

[1:28:57] I found it very personal.

[1:28:59] I found this like uncomfortably personal,

[1:29:02] but not to say that it shouldn't be asked,

[1:29:04] but I felt every answer I came up with,

[1:29:06] I was like,

[1:29:08] I want to share that with people.

Stuart Wellington

[1:29:08] Oh,

[1:29:09] interesting.

[1:29:10] Not with these three knuckleheads.

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:12] I definitely feel like as I get older and as culture gets hopefully more wider and inclusive,

[1:29:18] there are definitely things that I would overlook in movies in the past that I'm having trouble overlooking now.

[1:29:23] I've been having a real crisis of the soul over the Japanese tourist character in Gremlins 2 the past couple weeks as I've thought more and more about that.

[1:29:31] You bring it up a couple times.

[1:29:32] I know.

[1:29:32] It's really been haunting me because it's a movie I have been so unequivocally in favor of.

[1:29:37] And the more I think about it,

[1:29:38] the more I'm like,

[1:29:38] well,

[1:29:38] I cannot,

[1:29:39] I'm not okay with that part of it.

[1:29:40] But also like,

[1:29:41] there's just,

[1:29:42] I can't pinpoint it,

[1:29:43] but there are a number of times that movies that I have dismissed,

[1:29:45] I'll hear somebody talk about what it means to them.

[1:29:48] And I'm like,

[1:29:49] okay,

[1:29:49] that's something that I can,

[1:29:50] I can no longer dismiss that movie because I know it had that effect on you.

[1:29:54] And I wish I had a specific one in mind,

[1:29:55] but it really,

[1:29:56] it's a really great feeling because it,

[1:29:58] it's like,

[1:29:59] oh,

[1:29:59] it reminds me of the potential of this art form and how,

[1:30:04] why,

[1:30:04] how there's something for everybody in the world of movies or media or whatever.

[1:30:09] And just because something doesn't hit me one way doesn't mean it's not incredibly valuable because it might hit somebody,

[1:30:15] somebody else in a way that I wouldn't have recognized before.

[1:30:17] So I wholeheartedly approve of this way of thinking,

[1:30:20] but I have no examples.

[1:30:20] I'm done.

[1:30:21] I yield,

[1:30:22] I yield the remainder of my time.

[1:30:23] Fuck you.

[1:30:28] Somebody's been watching a lot of community board meetings.

Dan McCoy

[1:30:31] This is less a,

[1:30:33] like an external opinion and more like,

[1:30:37] like a conglomeration of like learning from people over time and like,

[1:30:41] hopefully becoming more thoughtful.

[1:30:45] Over time is that like,

[1:30:48] sometimes movies,

[1:30:48] I feel like just change in my interpretation because of things that I've like felt in between.

[1:30:56] And one that struck me recently is I saw after hours again,

[1:31:00] I think last year,

[1:31:01] the Scorsese movie starring Griffin Dunn,

[1:31:05] the black comedy.

[1:31:06] And it was like,

[1:31:07] when I first saw it,

[1:31:08] I was kind of like,

[1:31:09] Oh,

[1:31:09] this guy is just sort of being bedeviled by the city and by like bad luck.

[1:31:16] And he's being overly punished,

[1:31:18] et cetera,

[1:31:18] et cetera.

[1:31:19] And then like saying it again this year,

[1:31:21] I was kind of like,

[1:31:23] no,

[1:31:23] this is kind of like a sly critique of like,

[1:31:28] this guy presents himself as being nice and at the victim of the world,

[1:31:34] but he is perpetrating a lot of his own like downfall.

[1:31:39] And he is like the movie is sort of like,

[1:31:43] uh,

[1:31:43] on the surface,

[1:31:44] like shows him being kind of bedeviled by a series of women.

[1:31:47] But if he showed any sort of like patience or forbearance in the movie or willingness to like,

[1:31:53] not do what was expedient to save himself,

[1:31:55] like everything would have gone a lot better for him.

[1:31:58] And so it was just interesting to feel like,

[1:32:01] I think there was a deeper meaning that was always there that I just wasn't attuned to.

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:06] There's a,

[1:32:07] uh,

[1:32:07] there's that moment in after hours where he takes out his only $20 bill and puts it in the,

[1:32:11] like the door handle or ashtray of the taxi cab door and it flies away in wind.

[1:32:15] And I was like,

[1:32:16] well,

[1:32:16] why'd you do that?

[1:32:17] Stupid.

[1:32:17] Yeah,

[1:32:17] exactly.

[1:32:18] Like that's entirely your fault.

[1:32:19] And it's something nobody would do.

[1:32:21] Come on,

[1:32:21] man.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:23] Uh,

[1:32:24] I mean,

[1:32:25] Stu,

[1:32:25] do you don't have to have anything if you're having trouble with the.

Stuart Wellington

[1:32:28] Yeah.

[1:32:28] I mean,

[1:32:29] I was,

[1:32:29] I'm the only thing that popped in my head was when I was having a conversation with somebody about furry culture.

[1:32:35] And,

[1:32:35] uh,

[1:32:35] they mentioned how influential the scene in the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles movie where Raphael is in the bathtub.

[1:32:42] And I'm like,

[1:32:43] you know what?

[1:32:44] That scene is pretty hot.

[1:32:45] I get it.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:48] Uh,

[1:32:48] moving on to.

Hallie Haglund

[1:32:50] Wait,

[1:32:51] I didn't answer.

Dan McCoy

[1:32:52] Oh,

[1:32:52] wait,

[1:32:52] you didn't.

[1:32:52] Oh,

[1:32:53] sorry.

[1:32:53] I thought you said everything was too personal.

Hallie Haglund

[1:32:55] I mean,

[1:32:56] no,

[1:32:56] it was personal,

[1:32:57] but,

[1:32:57] uh,

[1:32:58] I,

[1:32:58] I have an answer.

Dan McCoy

[1:33:00] No.

Hallie Haglund

[1:33:03] Uh,

[1:33:04] yeah.

[1:33:04] I mean,

[1:33:04] I hope it's okay to include things that we ourselves as people in media have worked on.

[1:33:10] Uh,

[1:33:11] but I feel like the,

[1:33:13] I don't know.

[1:33:14] I,

[1:33:15] you know,

[1:33:15] I worked on this show problem areas for two years and our second season was all about education.

[1:33:21] And we sort of had this theme of,

[1:33:24] you know,

[1:33:24] our,

[1:33:25] our goal with the show was to like show,

[1:33:27] show approaches that we're trying to like change,

[1:33:30] uh,

[1:33:31] a fraught system.

[1:33:32] And with education,

[1:33:34] a lot of it was focused on inequality and a lot,

[1:33:37] uh,

[1:33:37] specifically like racial inequality.

[1:33:40] And our last episode was,

[1:33:42] was like very specifically about like segregated schools.

[1:33:46] Uh,

[1:33:47] and like we had talked a lot about like,

[1:33:50] Oh,

[1:33:50] like the,

[1:33:51] we should,

[1:33:52] you know,

[1:33:52] cause it was,

[1:33:52] it was like really heavily focused on these documentary portions we had.

[1:33:58] And we had talked about like,

[1:33:59] Oh,

[1:33:59] do we find a place where they've,

[1:34:01] uh,

[1:34:02] done districting where,

[1:34:04] uh,

[1:34:04] that,

[1:34:05] that creates,

[1:34:06] uh,

[1:34:06] very integrated schools or,

[1:34:08] you know,

[1:34:09] do we,

[1:34:09] you know,

[1:34:10] where like housing is really integrated.

[1:34:11] And so schooling would also be integrated or,

[1:34:13] uh,

[1:34:15] the,

[1:34:15] the point is like,

[1:34:16] we had,

[1:34:17] we just like talked around,

[1:34:18] um,

[1:34:20] a lot of ideas about like,

[1:34:21] how do you integrate schools?

[1:34:23] And as we were putting the footage that we had gathered together,

[1:34:27] um,

[1:34:29] there was like a quote from someone,

[1:34:32] uh,

[1:34:33] a clip from someone that we wound up using that like,

[1:34:36] uh,

[1:34:37] Wyatt Cenac and I,

[1:34:38] like when we were editing sort of went back and forth about,

[1:34:41] and I remember like arguing for time,

[1:34:43] like,

[1:34:43] Oh,

[1:34:44] do like,

[1:34:44] we really need to like comment on this clip.

[1:34:47] Uh,

[1:34:48] it's,

[1:34:48] it sort of takes us out of the rhythm of something,

[1:34:50] but it was this person saying like,

[1:34:52] you know,

[1:34:53] in integrated schools for white people,

[1:34:55] for white students,

[1:34:56] it like is,

[1:34:58] is important because it does smell it.

[1:35:00] Like it dispels the idea that,

[1:35:02] um,

[1:35:04] there's something inherently smarter or better about white people when you're like in a classroom with,

[1:35:10] uh,

[1:35:11] people of all races.

[1:35:12] But,

[1:35:12] uh,

[1:35:13] for black people,

[1:35:14] it's kind of essential for,

[1:35:16] for black and brown people.

[1:35:17] It's essential because like your success in schools is like inextricably tied to like the resources that you get when you're in a classroom with white kids.

[1:35:27] And I remember Wyatt being like,

[1:35:29] we have to comment about this because it's so upsetting to hear something like that.

[1:35:34] And think about like,

[1:35:36] it's not about,

[1:35:38] think about like the only way that black and brown people can have success in schools is if they're in a classroom with white people,

[1:35:46] because the only way that you can access resources is when it's tied to the white people that you're associated with.

[1:35:53] And it was just like,

[1:35:55] uh,

[1:35:55] something that sort of like upended the way that I had thought about everything that we had talked about before and how we had sort of been talking about like,

[1:36:03] these ways that you can change public schools that were just all,

[1:36:07] uh,

[1:36:07] such small changes and not addressing like,

[1:36:11] if you don't think about the humanity of people,

[1:36:14] then like,

[1:36:14] it doesn't really matter what you change within the system.

[1:36:17] Um,

[1:36:18] and maybe that is like only,

[1:36:20] uh,

[1:36:21] illuminating my own ignorance,

[1:36:23] but it was like a real like moment of like,

[1:36:27] me understanding something that like,

[1:36:30] I didn't feel like I had understood before or like taken in.

[1:36:35] That's,

[1:36:35] that's,

Dan McCoy

[1:36:36] I was just gonna say that's such a good answer that I feel bad returning to our usual nonsense.

[1:36:41] But Ellie,

[1:36:42] what were you going to say?

Stuart Wellington

[1:36:44] We'll just edit out our responses.

Dan McCoy

[1:36:46] No,

[1:36:46] no,

[1:36:46] yeah,

[1:36:46] no,

[1:36:47] no,

[1:36:47] I'm,

[1:36:47] I'm not saying you can't respond.

[1:36:49] I'm just expressing.

Elliott Kalan

[1:36:51] Oh,

[1:36:52] no,

[1:36:52] I just want to tell Hallie she was wrong.

[1:36:54] And then actually,

[1:36:54] no,

[1:36:55] I'm just kidding.

[1:36:56] Uh,

[1:36:58] it just goes to show that when you're dealing with any sort of media,

[1:37:02] you have to be not open minded is the wrong word,

[1:37:05] but you have to,

[1:37:06] you can't take,

[1:37:06] you can't rest on your assumptions about anything because one,

[1:37:10] you may miss something,

[1:37:11] but also like there's a,

[1:37:13] there's a real worth to challenging and analyzing any piece of media that you come across and you'll get more out of it that way.

[1:37:21] I mean,

[1:37:21] whether work,

[1:37:22] whether at work or play,

[1:37:23] than if you just kind of lay back and let the,

[1:37:26] let the media wash over you and then react to it on a,

[1:37:29] on a,

[1:37:29] just a sensory level,

[1:37:30] there's definitely movies that I've watched where I'm like,

[1:37:34] that's fine.

[1:37:34] And then I take a couple minutes to think about it.

[1:37:37] And I may not like the movie as much,

[1:37:40] or I may have more complicated feelings about it,

[1:37:42] but I get a certain amount of like,

[1:37:43] like pleasure and satisfaction from knowing that I'm engaging with it at a deeper level than just,

[1:37:48] okay,

[1:37:49] take it or leave it,

[1:37:50] whatever.

[1:37:50] That's okay.

[1:37:51] Moving on.

[1:37:51] Like that kind of thing.

[1:37:53] And I don't know that I necessarily added anything to Hallie's answer,

[1:37:55] but I certainly said something in which case,

Stuart Wellington

[1:37:57] and you said the last thing.

Elliott Kalan

[1:37:59] It certainly helped me put my stamp on everybody's responses.

[1:38:03] And therefore I'm now the author and owner of that segment.

[1:38:05] So good job,

Dan McCoy

[1:38:06] Elliot.

[1:38:06] Thank you.

[1:38:07] Oh God.

[1:38:09] You know what happens next guys?

[1:38:12] What's that?

[1:38:12] The next part is where we recommend movies that you could watch,

[1:38:16] let's say maybe in addition to Last Christmas,

[1:38:20] which.

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:20] Or if you don't want to,

[1:38:21] you don't have to watch Last Christmas.

[1:38:23] Yeah,

[1:38:23] you don't have to just because we talked about it.

[1:38:24] I'm not going to tell you don't watch it.

[1:38:25] I'm just saying you don't have to watch it.

[1:38:27] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:38:28] You know,

[1:38:28] you make the call on this one.

[1:38:29] I mean,

[1:38:30] why do we have to work on you?

[1:38:31] Why do we have to tell you all the time?

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:33] I'd be like,

[1:38:34] run,

[1:38:34] don't walk to Last Christmas.

[1:38:35] If Last Christmas is the type of movie you enjoy watching.

Dan McCoy

[1:38:38] Yeah.

[1:38:39] Yeah.

[1:38:39] That's good.

[1:38:40] So,

[1:38:41] movie recommendations.

[1:38:42] I'm just seeing whether I recommended something before.

[1:38:46] So,

[1:38:46] I'm sorry for doing that on air.

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:48] You probably recommended something before.

[1:38:50] You've recommended lots of things,

[1:38:51] I think,

[1:38:51] unless those are implanted memories from the Weapon X program.

[1:38:53] Name one.

Dan McCoy

[1:38:54] Name one thing that I,

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:56] you know,

[1:38:56] Joysticks.

[1:38:57] I think you recommended joysticks once.

Dan McCoy

[1:38:59] Yeah.

[1:39:00] Well,

[1:39:00] I've got a similar recommendation to joysticks now,

[1:39:03] and that is.

Elliott Kalan

[1:39:04] Moving violations.

Dan McCoy

[1:39:06] That is.

[1:39:07] Hey,

[1:39:07] I don't know whether it qualifies as a recommendation.

[1:39:09] If it's a movie that we've actually done for the podcast before.

[1:39:13] I don't know what the rules are on that.

[1:39:14] I looked at the rule book.

[1:39:15] It's,

[1:39:15] I don't think there is a rule against it,

[1:39:17] but,

[1:39:18] uh,

[1:39:18] you know,

[1:39:19] guys,

[1:39:19] I don't know.

Elliott Kalan

[1:39:20] The only rule in the flop house rule book says no dogs can play major sports.

Stuart Wellington

[1:39:23] That's weird.

[1:39:25] Um,

[1:39:25] so.

[1:39:26] Did you,

[1:39:26] did you check the appendices?

[1:39:28] It might list the rule there in the appendix.

Dan McCoy

[1:39:31] Well,

[1:39:32] I'm breaking the rule if it exists.

[1:39:33] Um,

[1:39:34] I don't know if you guys heard this.

[1:39:35] We're in the middle of a pandemic and I,

[1:39:37] I don't know about you guys,

[1:39:38] but,

[1:39:39] uh,

[1:39:39] I don't like it.

[1:39:40] I'm going to say,

[1:39:41] I'm not a big fan.

[1:39:42] Don't care for it.

[1:39:44] Making me feel bad.

[1:39:44] So sometimes when you feel bad,

[1:39:46] you just have to watch Tango and cash.

[1:39:49] So my recommendation this week is Tango and cash with Kurt Russell and Sylvester Sly Stallone.

[1:39:57] Tango and cash.

Stuart Wellington

[1:39:59] Okay.

[1:40:00] Uh,

[1:40:00] do you need to qualify that recommendation at all?

[1:40:02] Nope,

Dan McCoy

[1:40:02] nope,

[1:40:02] nope.

[1:40:03] Well,

[1:40:03] I mean,

[1:40:03] it's a dumb movie.

[1:40:05] How about that for a qualification?

[1:40:07] But it's fun.

[1:40:07] Jack Palance is in it.

[1:40:08] Jack Palance is great.

[1:40:09] Great to see him.

[1:40:10] Love it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:40:11] Uh,

[1:40:11] so Dan,

[1:40:12] would you,

[1:40:13] uh,

[1:40:14] would you,

[1:40:14] so you didn't like that I was trying to brand this as the Dan Demick.

[1:40:17] I was really trying to make this kind of like,

[1:40:19] like Dan's pandemic.

Dan McCoy

[1:40:20] I didn't care for,

[1:40:21] yeah,

[1:40:22] no,

[1:40:22] I,

[1:40:22] yeah,

[1:40:23] the name,

[1:40:24] the damage to my brand is what I was worried about.

Elliott Kalan

[1:40:26] Did you,

[1:40:27] so you didn't like those radio ads that I took out?

[1:40:29] Yeah.

[1:40:29] They were like,

[1:40:29] this year,

[1:40:30] make it a Dan Demick.

[1:40:31] Hmm.

[1:40:32] Uh,

[1:40:32] no,

[1:40:33] didn't.

Dan McCoy

[1:40:35] Elliot,

[1:40:36] do you have a recommendation?

Elliott Kalan

[1:40:37] Uh,

[1:40:38] so here's the thing,

[1:40:39] Dan,

[1:40:39] and you're mentioning,

[1:40:40] uh,

[1:40:41] Tango and cash has really,

[1:40:42] uh,

[1:40:43] put me in a quandary,

[1:40:44] and I'll tell you why.

[1:40:45] No,

[1:40:46] not because I was going to recommend Tango and cash.

[1:40:48] I mean,

[1:40:48] come on guys,

[1:40:50] come on.

[1:40:51] Um,

[1:40:51] because I have been going back and forth for a while now on whether or not to recommend the movie runaway train directed by Andre Kanchalovsky,

[1:41:00] the same director who direct,

[1:41:01] I probably pronounced his name wrong,

[1:41:02] who also directed Tango and cash,

[1:41:04] uh,

[1:41:04] mainly because it stars John Voight,

[1:41:06] who is,

[1:41:07] uh,

[1:41:08] is,

[1:41:08] you know,

[1:41:09] a real problematic individual,

[1:41:10] uh,

[1:41:11] in that he is a super Trump supporter,

[1:41:13] says a lot of terrible things,

[1:41:14] really seems to have gone around the bend.

[1:41:16] This is no longer the adorable John Voight of baby geniuses.

[1:41:19] This is the,

[1:41:20] uh,

[1:41:20] this is,

[1:41:21] so I've been wanting to,

[1:41:22] but I watched that movie recently,

[1:41:23] and it's a really,

[1:41:25] really like,

[1:41:26] like,

[1:41:27] it's a really good,

[1:41:28] like intense,

[1:41:29] super intense movie.

[1:41:30] And it stars John Voight and Eric Roberts,

[1:41:31] who are both very problematic people in different ways.

[1:41:34] And the,

[1:41:35] uh,

[1:41:36] but it's kind of like if Tango and cash was a good movie,

[1:41:39] it would be runaway train where it's like these two prisoners who escape from prison and get onto a train,

[1:41:46] not knowing that this train is about to become,

[1:41:48] wait for it,

[1:41:49] a runaway train.

[1:41:51] And it's a,

[1:41:52] I've been torn about whether to recommend it or not because the main actor,

[1:41:56] I so do not,

[1:41:57] the main actors,

[1:41:58] I so do not support in any way,

[1:42:00] shape or form.

[1:42:01] So that's kind of like an unofficial,

[1:42:03] that's a,

[1:42:03] that's an unofficial recommendation is runaway train.

Dan McCoy

[1:42:05] Having your cake and eating it too.

Elliott Kalan

[1:42:07] I'm going to have that cake.

[1:42:08] I'm going to eat it.

[1:42:09] I'm going to throw it up because I feel bad about having it and eating it.

[1:42:12] So instead I was inspired by,

[1:42:14] uh,

[1:42:14] this movie last Christmas,

[1:42:16] a movie,

[1:42:16] a,

[1:42:17] uh,

[1:42:17] a winter story involving a ghost who helps a young woman.

[1:42:21] Uh,

[1:42:21] it made me think of a movie called curse of the cat people from 1944.

[1:42:25] This is the somewhat sequel to the movie cat people in which they said,

[1:42:30] you know,

[1:42:30] the first movie was about a woman who turns into a cat when she gets to kind

[1:42:34] of like aggravated or emotional or turned on.

[1:42:36] We're going to do a movie about a family where the daughter kind of has an,

[1:42:43] either a ghost or an imaginary friend becomes friends with that cat woman from

[1:42:47] the first movie and needs her to get her through a very,

[1:42:50] uh,

[1:42:51] like dysfunctional period in her family life.

[1:42:54] And so it's a,

[1:42:55] it's a movie that's kind of a strange movie because it's in some ways a ghost

[1:42:58] movie,

[1:42:58] but maybe it's not a ghost movie,

[1:43:00] but,

[1:43:00] uh,

[1:43:01] it's a very like slightly melodramatic,

[1:43:05] but fairly sensitively done story of the tension between a little girl and the other members

[1:43:11] of her family and kind of how she needs to escape into this relationship with a woman who may

[1:43:15] not exist or may exist to get through it.

[1:43:18] Uh,

[1:43:18] and so instead I'll recommend the curse of the cat people.

[1:43:21] But if you're one of those people who can separate your feelings about a real person from their work,

[1:43:26] sometimes I am,

[1:43:27] sometimes I'm not,

[1:43:28] then you might as well go watch runaway train.

Dan McCoy

[1:43:30] Uh,

[1:43:31] Stuart,

[1:43:32] have you gone?

[1:43:32] Sorry.

Stuart Wellington

[1:43:34] Uh,

[1:43:34] no,

[1:43:34] Dan,

[1:43:35] I have not gone.

[1:43:37] Uh,

[1:43:37] I guess it's,

[1:43:38] I guess it's my turn.

[1:43:41] Wow.

[1:43:41] I don't know what the anger is about,

[1:43:43] but.

[1:43:45] Oh,

[1:43:45] oh,

[1:43:45] now I'm angry.

[1:43:46] Interesting.

[1:43:48] Okay.

[1:43:49] What?

[1:43:49] Uh,

[1:43:50] I'm going to recommend,

[1:43:51] uh,

[1:43:51] a movie called Swallow.

[1:43:54] Uh,

[1:43:55] it is a kind of a drama thriller movie with some horror elements.

[1:44:00] Um,

[1:44:01] it is about a young woman who,

[1:44:02] uh,

[1:44:03] is recently married and,

[1:44:05] uh,

[1:44:05] becomes pregnant.

[1:44:07] And for all intents and purposes,

[1:44:09] it seems like she has this perfect life,

[1:44:11] a beautiful house,

[1:44:12] a handsome husband who has a good job,

[1:44:15] but he's never around.

[1:44:17] Um,

[1:44:17] and she begins,

[1:44:18] uh,

[1:44:20] uh,

[1:44:21] she,

[1:44:21] she begins ingesting inanimate objects of,

[1:44:26] uh,

[1:44:26] of increasingly dangerous varieties.

[1:44:29] Um,

[1:44:30] and I am assuming the makers of the movie have done some research into Pika.

[1:44:35] Uh,

[1:44:36] I don't know very much about it,

[1:44:37] so I don't know how accurate it is,

[1:44:39] but,

[1:44:40] uh,

[1:44:41] it's,

[1:44:42] for me,

[1:44:42] it was an interesting,

[1:44:43] uh,

[1:44:44] story about control and,

[1:44:46] uh,

[1:44:47] it portrayed addiction in ways that felt very real and scary and just,

[1:44:53] you know,

[1:44:54] uh,

[1:44:55] I don't know.

[1:44:55] Uh,

[1:44:55] uh,

[1:44:56] I thought it was,

[1:44:56] I thought it was pretty compelling.

[1:44:58] So,

[1:44:59] wallow.

Dan McCoy

[1:45:00] Uh,

[1:45:01] just to update everyone,

[1:45:02] Hallie's now in a closet.

[1:45:04] She appears to be in a closet with some,

[1:45:06] uh,

[1:45:07] like,

[1:45:08] there's some shoes behind her,

[1:45:09] maybe,

[1:45:10] um,

[1:45:10] some bags.

[1:45:11] Anyway,

[1:45:12] um,

[1:45:12] so fully half of the,

Elliott Kalan

[1:45:14] fully half of the people on this podcast right now are recording from closets.

Dan McCoy

[1:45:17] Yeah.

[1:45:18] Oh,

[1:45:18] wow.

[1:45:19] Uh,

[1:45:19] let's,

[1:45:20] um,

[1:45:21] let's get you guys out of there and,

[1:45:25] uh,

Elliott Kalan

[1:45:25] I'm a little bit of a mathematician knowing that two is half of four.

Dan McCoy

[1:45:29] Let's let Hallie recommend,

[1:45:31] um,

[1:45:32] her movie so you can both get out of those tiny rooms.

Hallie Haglund

[1:45:35] Oh yeah.

[1:45:36] I was going to recommend,

[1:45:37] I don't know if anyone has recommended it before.

[1:45:40] It seems like it would have been more timely,

[1:45:43] uh,

[1:45:44] months ago,

[1:45:45] but has anyone recommended memories of murder?

[1:45:48] on this show?

Elliott Kalan

[1:45:49] Not in a little while.

[1:45:51] I think a while back,

[1:45:52] but not recently.

Hallie Haglund

[1:45:53] okay.

[1:45:54] Well,

[1:45:54] that's,

[1:45:54] that's a little bit.

Elliott Kalan

[1:45:55] Yeah,

[1:45:56] yeah.

[1:45:56] So I recommend,

Hallie Haglund

[1:45:57] yeah,

[1:45:57] it's a Bong Joon-ho,

[1:45:59] uh,

[1:46:01] earlier,

[1:46:02] earlier movie by him.

[1:46:05] It's sort of a loosely based on like the first,

[1:46:07] um,

[1:46:08] serial killer in South Korea.

[1:46:11] And it was really fucking good.

[1:46:14] I didn't,

[1:46:14] uh,

[1:46:15] know what to expect,

[1:46:16] but it's like very interesting.

[1:46:18] It's sort of about this like moment in Korea where they're transitioning from like an older society to a more modernized society.

[1:46:25] And that's reflected in the way they pursue this crime.

[1:46:30] And it's real fucked up and real interesting.

[1:46:33] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:46:34] Hal,

[1:46:35] I gotta say your audio got like,

[1:46:36] you know,

[1:46:37] like it's got this like much more intimate quality now that you're in the closet in there.

[1:46:40] In the closet?

[1:46:42] Yeah.

[1:46:44] Um,

Elliott Kalan

[1:46:44] and if anyone's wondering if memories of murder has song Kang Ho in it,

[1:46:48] you better believe it does.

Stuart Wellington

[1:46:49] He's,

[1:46:50] he's great.

[1:46:50] What a star,

[1:46:51] that guy.

Dan McCoy

[1:46:52] Okay,

[1:46:53] guys,

[1:46:53] uh,

[1:46:54] we've tortured you all long enough.

[1:46:56] Um,

[1:46:56] let's,

[1:46:57] uh,

[1:46:57] sign off for this.

[1:46:59] Um,

[1:46:59] do you mean when you've tortured us or the listeners?

[1:47:01] Uh,

[1:47:02] I was thinking about you initially,

[1:47:04] but then I was like,

[1:47:05] you know what?

[1:47:06] I'm going to leave the ambiguity because it applies equally,

[1:47:09] uh,

[1:47:09] to all participants,

[1:47:10] but,

Elliott Kalan

[1:47:11] uh,

[1:47:11] it could be a ghost or a metaphor.

[1:47:13] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[1:47:14] That's up to you to decide.

[1:47:15] Thanks to all who donated in this past Max Fund Drive,

[1:47:18] which just,

[1:47:19] uh,

[1:47:19] came to a close recently.

[1:47:21] Uh,

[1:47:21] thank you to our network,

[1:47:22] Maximum Fun,

[1:47:23] for providing us with support,

[1:47:25] all that stuff.

[1:47:26] Go check out the other podcasts there.

[1:47:29] Hallie,

[1:47:29] is there anything that you,

[1:47:31] uh,

[1:47:32] want to plug or anything you want to say?

[1:47:34] Or thank you,

[1:47:35] uh,

[1:47:36] for coming,

[1:47:36] first of all.

[1:47:37] Thank you for being on the show.

Hallie Haglund

[1:47:38] I'm doing this,

[1:47:40] uh,

[1:47:41] very,

[1:47:42] uh,

[1:47:43] intense performance.

[1:47:44] Uh,

[1:47:45] the only thing I have on my schedule is the,

[1:47:47] uh,

[1:47:48] boy next door.

Dan McCoy

[1:47:50] All right,

[1:47:51] well,

[1:47:51] we'll promote the boy next door.

[1:47:53] Um,

[1:47:53] thanks to everyone.

[1:47:55] Thanks for listening.

[1:47:56] Uh,

[1:47:57] for the Flop House,

[1:47:58] I've been Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[1:48:00] I've been Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[1:48:02] I'm Elliot Kalin.

Hallie Haglund

[1:48:04] And I've been Hallie Haglund.

Elliott Kalan

[1:48:09] Bye,

[1:48:09] everyone.

[1:48:10] Very intense.

[1:48:11] So intense.

[1:48:15] David Lee Roth.

[1:48:25] Yes,

[1:48:25] David Lee Roth.

[1:48:26] He'd do a lot of scatting too.

[1:48:27] He'd be like,

[1:48:27] skilly,

[1:48:27] bop,

[1:48:28] did I tell you about the time?

[1:48:30] I saw,

[1:48:30] kind of,

[1:48:31] kind of recently,

[1:48:33] maximumfun.org.

Dan McCoy

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