Ep. #320 - Last Christmas, w/ Hallie Haglund

[0:00] On this episode we discuss Last Christmas, based on a true story, if by true story you mean some of the lyrics of a George Michael song.

[0:30] hey everyone and welcome to the flop house i'm dan mccoy i'm stewart wellington and i'm

[0:43] elliot kalin and look who's here joining us look uh hi i'm hallie hacklin that's right everybody

[0:51] it's you know you know her from the daily show you may know her from white snacks problem areas

[0:56] You may know her for being my office mate for four years, or you probably know her best as the star of the Flophouse, Hallie Haglund.

[1:03] Oh, wow.

[1:07] Yeah, it looks like a bunch of people paid to have digital fans entered into the background to celebrate.

[1:13] I like that, Hallie, you are such a popular guest that we don't even introduce you.

[1:21] We let you introduce yourself.

[1:22] All right.

[1:26] well me too now hallie hallie uh you know you it's no secret that you've had a problem with

[1:34] some of the other movies sometimes that we've made you watch for the for the podcast not so

[1:38] much the horror movies but uh a lot of the the more fantasy oriented uh sort of the bull

[1:46] for those who can't watch hallie was giving a thumbs down that was a thumbs down movement from

[1:51] they were just boring like that's the problem it's like they weren't even fun bad they were

[1:57] just long and boring which movies did we watch with did we have with you before i've forgotten

[2:01] do you remember one of them was a dark something about was that yeah that's definitely the worst

[2:07] that was where the upside down world right that's a different one that one that was upside down i

[2:13] think that was called yeah dark tower was the one where matthew mcconaughey was like in my world we

[2:17] don't have chicken oh yeah yeah that was bad too i i actually i don't even remember that one didn't

[2:27] we do one of the uh 50 shades movies yeah yeah yeah no yeah i feel like the one the the my favorite

[2:35] of the ones we watched was the zach efron one oh yeah that was the one where i wasn't on the

[2:39] episode so that makes sense that makes sense yeah yeah she had a great time it was so fun it was so

[2:45] fun i like super hot guys like zach efron too i don't know why i wouldn't be included now

[2:51] listeners may not know this is the first time we've had hallie on the show since she moved to

[2:56] my hometown los angeles and let me just tell you i was so excited when hallie moved out there and i

[3:01] was like this can be great we're gonna hang out all the time and then some dumb germ had to come

[3:05] in and ruin those plans so i mean elliot you are literally the only people that we ever socialized

[3:12] with in los angeles because you came over you had moved in what like a couple days before or a week

[3:17] before when you came over uh yeah i think we had dinner at your house like yeah maybe a week after

[3:24] we moved in and then la shut down two weeks after we moved in terrible well you know what it's just

[3:32] too bad our friendship is over now and when we'll never we'll never what do you guys uh what do you

[3:36] guys what do you guys do for dinner yeah let's have a menu or what do you guys do for dinner

[3:42] with elliot and danielle danielle cooked a lovely feast she cooked kebabs i believe yeah yes with a

[3:49] a garlicky hummus the hummus was very garlicky it was like it was it was a little a little too

[3:56] vinegary or garlicky but you can only have a little bit of it before your tongue jumped out

[4:01] a mouth and said no more please and ran away yeah i think you're speaking my language here uh

[4:06] yeah that ruined the game of spin the bottle that was supposed to finish uh the meal well

[4:11] we were about to play with our three children it was going to be one of those we were like we live

[4:18] in in la la land now time to put the kids to bed in one room don't lock the door so that they can

[4:24] walk out and find us playing kind of creepy weird adult games that are we're finding uncomfortable

[4:30] too so they can write about it in their memoirs about growing up in that crazy hollyweird culture

[4:34] but the garlic yeah it really put a damper on it elliot just has like an empty goldfish bowl

[4:40] at the entrance to his house where you just drop your keys when you go in and that's how key parties

[4:47] work right yeah i think so i've only ever seen them in the movies thank god you took the goldfish

[4:51] out of that bowl because i remember the first key parties you had people just dumping it and

[4:55] filling that bowl with keys.

[4:57] Well, the worst thing is, you reach in

[4:59] and you reach in, you fill it out of goldfish

[5:01] and you're like, I guess I'm doing it with this goldfish

[5:03] tonight. Yeah, that's the worst part.

[5:05] Yeah, and then, like, fucking Vince Clortho

[5:07] shows up and you're like, ugh, okay.

[5:09] I guess I

[5:11] pulled off the ritual, didn't even mean to.

[5:13] All right, well,

[5:16] what I was saying before, though, was just

[5:19] that we've tortured Hallie a lot, so we

[5:21] decided to give her a little more...

[5:23] What do we do on this podcast?

[5:25] Back to the, back to, everyone back to one.

[5:28] Rerack.

[5:29] On this podcast, we watch a bad movie or a movie that was, let's say, presumed bad by critics or audiences.

[5:37] And then we talk about it.

[5:39] And this time around, Hallie was given a list of things we were under consideration.

[5:45] And she immediately came back within seconds with Last Christmas out of the list given.

[5:51] Yeah, which, you know, not surprising, but a good movie, one that I wanted to watch anyway for the show.

[5:58] So not total freedom.

[5:59] I was given a list.

[6:00] That's true.

[6:01] It wasn't.

[6:01] You weren't given total freedom.

[6:04] Da-da-da-da-da, freedom.

[6:06] Da-da-da-da-da, freedom.

[6:08] That's a George Michael song.

[6:10] Why don't you take those lies and make them truths?

[6:12] You know what I learned from this movie, guys?

[6:15] I'm jumping ahead.

[6:16] What's that?

[6:17] I never really listened to the lyrics to George Michael songs before, so I didn't realize that they're all super depressing.

[6:21] i know it made me feel like he is so he was so sad we should have seen the the tragic untimely

[6:29] death coming yeah i never i mean everyone's death we should see coming at some point nobody escapes

[6:34] this life alive but except for aslan rex the uh the dark lord of darkon fair point fair point

[6:41] you're right i forgot about that very common he is trapped in his realm and can't leave because

[6:46] his phylactery keeps growing with every

[6:48] year. What a horrible fate for

[6:50] Aslan. Terrible. The Lord of

[6:52] Daikon? The Radish?

[6:53] Yeah, he's the Lord of Daikon the Radish.

[6:56] He's a radish-based lich.

[6:57] A radish king. He lives inside a radish.

[6:59] But there's a scene

[7:01] we'll talk about, I guess, where on a date

[7:04] they're ice skating to a George

[7:06] Michael song, and the lyrics are all about how God turned

[7:08] his back on his children, and his children have

[7:09] escaped. And it was like, what is this song?

[7:12] This sad man. I felt so bad

[7:14] for him. Yeah.

[7:15] Okay, well, Last Christmas.

[7:17] It's a romantic comedy.

[7:20] It has a good pedigree.

[7:22] Emma Thompson wrote it.

[7:24] Paul Feig directed it.

[7:26] It has Emma Thompson in it.

[7:28] It has Emilia Clarke of Game of Thrones as our lead.

[7:32] And Henry Golding of Crazy Rich Asians is a very handsome man in both movies.

[7:40] I think you're looking at that international superstar Michelle Yeoh is in the movie.

[7:43] Yep, yep.

[7:44] Patti LuPone shows up for one scene, which seems weird.

[7:47] It's what's weird is that she was buying those little baby Jesuses in the store in the very beginning.

[7:54] That was Broadway legend Patti LuPone.

[7:56] Wait, that was Patti LuPone?

[7:57] Yeah.

[7:57] Oh, no, I'm thinking of Bernadette Peters.

[7:59] I was like, she looks different.

[8:01] What happened to Bernadette Peters' face?

[8:06] Because she looks like Patti LuPone.

[8:10] She seems like she'd still have a beautiful singing voice, but a different kind of beautiful singing voice?

[8:16] I thought it was very funny that Rob Delaney and Peter Serafinowicz are mentioned in the opening credits, and they appear for roughly 45 seconds in the film.

[8:23] Oh, yeah.

[8:24] But, you know, all I'm saying, there's a lot of talent behind this.

[8:27] One of the hosts from the Great British Bake Off appears in the scene.

[8:32] That's true.

[8:33] Oh, wait, when?

[8:34] And she's in the ice audition.

[8:38] Guys, it sounds like Elliot is trying to horn in on my job this time and just do a summary, and no way I am driving this fucking car today.

[8:46] Okay, I won't even mention that Peter Meigen from the highest-grossing Danish film ever, I think Flame and Citroën, was also in it.

[8:52] Oh.

[8:53] Actually, you know what? Maybe it was just the biggest budget Danish film ever.

[8:56] Is he the father?

[8:57] Stuart's doing it, and now I'm going to be done talking for most of the episode because Stuart's going to summarize.

[9:01] Stuart, take it away.

[9:04] OK, so before I get into the actual plot of the movie, guys, we have to address, I think, a kind of big part of this movie, which is there is a very crazy, in some ways, very obvious twist in it.

[9:16] Should we are we going to just go along with the summary of the movie and get to the twist when it happens in the movie?

[9:23] Or should we just bring it up right now and talk about the movie in context of this crazy twist?

[9:28] A twist that many people just guessed as soon as the movie trailer hit the Internet.

[9:33] okay guess what apparently so i had watched maybe uh i had maybe like a half hour or to 45 minutes

[9:42] left and i put it on pause and i uh i was just like going to the bathroom or something and then

[9:47] i walked past my husband i was like this movie is so good i just don't know what's gonna happen

[9:52] at the end and he was like i'm guessing it probably has something to do with like the

[9:56] second line of the song and i was like what no no it's not gonna be men

[10:04] so we're just gonna we're gonna air this dirty laundry uh which is not the song this is based on

[10:11] uh this is a movie inspired by the wham song last christmas uh where the mysterious love interest

[10:17] uh is actually i guess a ghost of a man who donated his heart to our lead uh exactly one

[10:24] year ago when she was in need of a heart transplant so it is as much like the first two lines of the

[10:29] song as you can imagine yeah they don't ever they don't talk about the third line of the song in

[10:33] which she would have just given that heart away the next day yeah that would have been strange

[10:36] it would have been crazy because she would need it to live she just like pull it out of her chest

[10:40] and give it to like um to uh what's his name from temple to mola ram yeah mola ram yeah now let me

[10:47] let me just say uh that there are there are metaphorical ways to read this twist that i that

[10:54] i actually kind of like and i may make an argument for later but the movie makes it hard to make uh

[11:01] the metaphorical argument when there are things like she goes to places that only this guy would

[11:06] have known which suggests that there's some sort of literal supernatural quality that receiving

[11:11] someone else's organ has but just like in body parts yeah uh so now that we now that we got that

[11:17] out of the way everybody everybody lets out your disbelief now that we've spoiled the movie oh guys

[11:23] before we talk about this six cents movie let's just mention oh he's also a ghost yeah yeah so

[11:28] oh guys before we talk about i'm the only one who believes in love

[11:31] before before we talk about the ghost and mrs muir i should let you know the guy's a ghost

[11:37] that was in the title that wasn't even implied by the title like this one

[11:44] if somebody went to see that movie and they can't they got in after the opening credits

[11:48] and then they were like at the end like he was a ghost i mean guys what is a ghost is it a tragedy

[11:55] condemned to repeat itself time and again an incident of pain perhaps something dead which

[12:02] still seems to be alive wait an emotion suspended in time i think the third like a blurred photograph

[12:07] like an insect trapped in amber is that tom webster what is it so let's get into the movie

[12:16] i must know are you quoting something or did you just write that out of time that's the it's the

[12:24] opening narration of uh devil's backbone one of my favorite movies okay so uh we we open with a

[12:30] church choir singing a i i can't tell if it's a george michael song or a wham song but it is

[12:35] basically letting us know this is not our daddy's uh christmas church choir performance also it's

[12:42] in yugoslavia so my dad's never been there yeah okay yeah i didn't oh yeah i've been there my

[12:47] dad's been there i've been i've been there you guys if you have any questions i've been there

[12:51] was it like that well was it like that when you were there was it just was it just kids church

[12:54] choirs yeah and there was sausage i remember i was like seven okay i ate a sausage and then

[13:04] children's choirs okay so let me start over it opens with a church choir singing a george michael

[13:10] or possibly wham song in a yugoslavian church and that goes to show that this is hallie's father's

[13:16] or hallie's daddy's uh church choir performance uh and i would just mention stewart was accurate

[13:21] it with me, it was not my dad's church choir performance.

[13:23] Being Jewish, he didn't go to church, wasn't

[13:25] in a choir, and again, as stated, has never been

[13:27] to Yugoslavia. I just want to clarify

[13:30] in case there's any confusion,

[13:31] my dad is actually

[13:33] in a choir, and it is nothing

[13:35] like this, so the way that

[13:37] statement was phrased, there might be some confusion.

[13:40] I don't want anyone to confuse it with the

[13:42] Colorado Chamber Choir.

[13:44] So Stuart should have said, this is

[13:46] in some ways like

[13:47] Hallie's daddy's church choir.

[13:50] Yeah. OK, so we are introduced to Katarina, a young Yugoslavian girl who is singing the lead or solo of this song.

[13:57] And her mother, played by Emma Thompson, is in the, I guess, audience or the congregation watching and loving every minute of it.

[14:05] Flash forward to 2017. That was in 1999. That last that last part.

[14:10] Okay. Cool. Good point. That little girl is all grown up now and singing the same song alone in a bar, drowning her sorrows. We learn through a conversation with a potential suitor that she has family troubles. She loves George Michael. We learn she's living out of a suitcase. And after some flirting, she goes home with this fellow.

[14:33] Wait, I have a question. Can I ask a question? That actor, what is he from? He looked so familiar.

[14:39] Merry Christmas.

[14:39] He's from this movie.

[14:40] Oh, thanks.

[14:43] Do you want to hit the internet and find out?

[14:45] Well, I do want to, as long as we're talking about actors, just off the top, our lead,

[14:51] our adult version of that young girl is, of course, Amelia Clark, who you may know from

[14:57] Game of Thrones or the Terminator Genisys.

[15:00] But you did not know her like this.

[15:03] Solo, Star Wars story?

[15:04] Yes.

[15:05] I'm going to say right off the bat, she's really good in this.

[15:09] yeah she is so charming who knew she had that that dimension it makes me feel like she was

[15:15] uh i never really i didn't think she was bad as daenerys but i didn't love her as daenerys but i

[15:20] think she's great in this and it's like oh because she's got like a sparkle to her yes the game of

[15:24] thrones couldn't take advantage of i think she is very ill served by like the sort of solemn roles

[15:29] that she's been forced to take so far because i think that she has a real like talent for light

[15:33] comedy and a charm and yeah i liked her a lot so uh she goes home with this fellow and uh that

[15:41] initial bliss is ruined because it turns out her her new friend is married and she is out on the

[15:48] streets again uh she's a bit of a mess she works at a uh what is this a year-round christmas store

[15:54] called what yuletide uh she where she has a dress as an elf and she has ho ho ho written on her hand

[16:01] as a note which i thought was a pretty kind of funny touch like the kind of note you'd write

[16:06] yourself to remember and you're like i gotta remember to say ho ho ho uh we're introduced

[16:12] to her boss uh santa who is played by the always incredible michelle yo uh who is like this tough

[16:19] but fair uh character uh though we learn later on that santa is just an adopted name and that

[16:24] she picks a different name related to whatever business she's working it's that's one of those

[16:29] little moments where i was like yeah i didn't think you needed to explain that movie like i

[16:32] didn't really think her name her birth name was santa like that seems i think you just take it

[16:37] for granted that the person who runs a christmas store is just going to take the name saying it

[16:40] wasn't like well why did my parents curse me with the name santa now all i can do is run a christmas

[16:45] store i also want to say that uh audrey yelled aloud every time santa was wearing a new uh outfit

[16:53] so as someone who doesn't uh necessarily always pay the most attention to clothes in movies

[16:59] i just wanted to note that uh that was an a plus ensemble uh factory from her uh was the general

[17:07] thought yeah i mean michelle yo is one of those performers who can kind of do no wrong in my eyes

[17:13] so yeah yeah any moment she's on screen is a is a win for me uh so this scene this like kind of

[17:19] first day of work we see it kind of introduces three main plot points the first her sister

[17:24] marta who's kind of the like stuffy sister visits and guilt trips her into visiting their parents

[17:30] you know that family stress uh at one point she is distracted by a well-dressed hottie

[17:37] tom played by henry golding and then a bird shits in her eye big shit and then uh yeah yeah i want

[17:46] to say that um both uh four reasons that will become clear later in the movie obviously when

[17:52] the twist arrives but also like just because of henry golding's gentle demeanor it is kind of

[17:58] baffling the degree to which she uh seems off put by him at the like she like continually talks

[18:05] about how weird he is when he is a perfectly normal looking man and a handsome and polite

[18:11] and quite like he's not doing anything for her like giant reaction i guess is what i'm saying

[18:18] i think i think that we're supposed to take from it that she is so used to

[18:21] kind of losers and and uh bad boys that someone who is nice is is taken as weird but also like

[18:29] he is eventually he is kind of weird he's like let me show you all my favorite hidden corners

[18:36] of the city no he does get a little weird another tour date also say i would also say i think it had

[18:42] to do with her embarrassment by getting pooped on a bird in front of him because if you remember

[18:46] when she first saw him she was like dusting the little christmas ornaments and looked through the

[18:51] window i was like hmm i me likey then she went outside got pooped on a bird and then after that

[18:58] she was like you're so weird get away from me and i was like you you liked him the weird thing is to

[19:02] me he gets weirder and weirder throughout the movie as his interest in her clearly gets less

[19:07] and less romantic and more and more therapeutic as the movie goes on that was where i was i was

[19:12] like so you gotta be a ghost because why else are you i don't understand why you're looking for this

[19:17] relationship well i mean she's a stop describing all my relationships elliot i mean i know you're

[19:22] really into wounded birds that you can you can pick up and heal and put them back in their nest

[19:26] well i mean this character is like a manic pixie dream guy in that like he is literally just

[19:32] showing up to improve our main character's life for reasons that make more sense were you guys

[19:39] offended by that oh not as men to see men portrayed that way on screen i was like finally

[19:48] someone's telling my story i don't know i knew that he was a manifestation of her psyche so it

[19:55] didn't really bother me that much but i will i i will say that um i was kind of relieved that i

[20:01] knew that he was a manifestation of her psyche

[20:03] because I was like well

[20:05] if he's a real man

[20:07] like this would not be a healthy

[20:10] relationship between the two of them over

[20:11] time like not at all he would just

[20:13] be like a font of wisdom

[20:15] like for her and that would all

[20:17] be all of it and like she would grow dependent

[20:19] on it like it would not be a good

[20:21] thing or because he helped her

[20:23] through that or because he helped her through that trauma

[20:25] she would always associate

[20:28] him with that trauma and then that would

[20:29] poison their relationship yeah yeah the relationship

[20:31] we built on us on a feeling of uh of obligation you helped me through this hard time so now i

[20:37] guess i have to be with you it's like it's kind of like uh zazie beats in joker where as i was

[20:42] watching i was like this character better be a figment of his imagination because if not

[20:46] her actions make no sense as human act behavior you know it's like that she was interested in him

[20:53] at all yes exactly this this crazy weirdo who who has a body like uh christian bale and the

[20:58] machinist yeah definitely it's all sharp corners on that guy so uh and then so of course as i said

[21:09] uh we have our little meet cute she meets tom uh who again let me i can't stress this enough

[21:14] is a ghost uh and then the last i didn't know i didn't know you watch it and you didn't know

[21:21] i'm not saying that it's obvious like while she's talking to him her hand passes through his

[21:26] fucking ectoplasm or some shit you know what it's she reached out to embrace him and fell on the

[21:33] street yeah the part where that's not her shit it's ectoplasm the part where she she touched him

[21:38] and her hand passed through and she fell to the chill of the grave in her bones you know

[21:43] stewart you're saying i can't stress this enough he's a ghost to me it sounded like

[21:48] you were trying to like set hallie up with someone for instance and we're like like he's a very nice

[21:53] guy uh handsome he's got a job i cannot stress this enough he is a ghost like you will not be

[22:02] with him long term he will be caught to the other side anyway sorry i will i will say if he was not

[22:07] a ghost it does risk falling into the stereotype of the kind of like sexless asian man which the

[22:13] him being a ghost who doesn't exist and is just her heart telling her to be a better person makes

[22:18] a little bit okay but yeah you know but she was into him so i think it avoids that she was

[22:23] attracted to him that's true but he was very like it was one of the things where she's like come

[22:27] sleep with me and he's like no i can't we barely know each other and it's like all right who is

[22:33] that was one of the moments i was like this dude better be a ghost like do you guys know what this

[22:38] means what's that it means i finally saw a ghost oh hallie we did it it's a christmas miracle

[22:44] literally

[22:48] Hallie just did like a little

[22:50] ta-da motion

[22:51] okay and then the

[22:54] last plot point we deal with on that first

[22:56] day of work is we find out that

[22:58] Santa has a mysterious relationship

[23:00] with a distinguished looking

[23:02] Colin Firth German type

[23:04] guy Danish and a Danish

[23:06] shirt and at some point eventually

[23:08] she helps you know a couple scenes

[23:10] later she's gonna help Santa get that

[23:12] date with that fella

[23:13] uh colin firth was is way hotter than that guy i think that's okay yeah the guy is also he's he is

[23:20] a little weird that he is obsessed with with christmas trinkets and there's part of me that's

[23:25] like where he keeps presenting them as like this is what you're into right and i and i wanted to

[23:29] see the scene where michelle yo was like okay straight talk i just do this for a living i'm

[23:34] like not really into christmas novelty crap like you don't have to keep bringing me lots of christmas

[23:39] stuff but we don't get to see that scene no he's into cabbage he's into sauerkraut well his family

[23:45] is a sauerkraut family yeah i do want to say also i think it's bears noting that these scenes between

[23:50] the two of them uh are played uh broadly comic but i i found it genuinely funny where

[23:57] they immediately are dumbstruck with one another and cannot say anything without huge pregnant

[24:03] pauses in between them and gazing into each other's eyes and not breaking eye contact

[24:07] uh so that's the gag of those scenes yeah it's it's funny and it also keeps the uh the romantic

[24:14] pressure on the movie so uh kate leaves work and rushes to perform in an audition uh she has a

[24:20] couple of these throughout the movie um where she performs and peter zarifinowitz is mean to her

[24:25] uh she's trying to be a singer right that's the whole deal yes but she has not been able to sing

[24:31] since who knows

[24:33] she sounded bad

[24:35] at this audition she did not sound good

[24:38] guys

[24:38] this was not your daddy

[24:42] we should have gotten Hallie in the panel of judges on that

[24:43] Hallie would have been like

[24:46] pitchy dog very pitchy

[24:48] I'll go there

[24:50] yeah that's why they bring you into the room

[24:54] they need somebody who does the straight talk

[24:56] now that James Woods has been cancelled

[25:00] I want to see Hallie Haglund so badly on the voice in her just to be like, that was not good.

[25:06] And then no other no other commentary or if someone blows them away, she's just like, that was good.

[25:12] So she keeps bumping into Tom.

[25:17] He's he behaves mysteriously.

[25:20] He is vague about his lifestyle and where he lives.

[25:24] He describes his own behavior as kind of serial killer-y, which I guess is meant to, like, what, hang a lantern on it?

[25:31] And then he takes her to his secret garden and they sit on a bench.

[25:35] Yeah, which is one of the many things in here that does not make sense if this is a manifestation simply of her consciousness.

[25:42] Because, like, how does she know about this secret bench, which turns out to be a bench that was donated in his honor, like, at the end of the movie?

[25:50] Unless the heart inside her, the organ.

[25:54] still has some sort of sentience yeah now it's possible it's possible she fell asleep while

[26:00] watching a show called like britain's like london's hidden secrets and then just absorbed

[26:05] it subconsciously but i think it was that a ghost took her there hallie what do you think

[26:09] yeah i don't understand dan why you're so uh committed to this being a manifestation of her

[26:16] like uh like emotional needs when you make us watch all these fucking stupid movies that are

[26:23] all fantastical about like other dimensions like can it just be a supernatural intervention

[26:29] uh well i guess because i don't like that as much like that's uh that uh sort of buys into this

[26:39] notion that you know there is going to be some sort of intervention in your life and that's what

[26:44] you need to change whereas i i think you can read this movie metaphorically if not literally

[26:52] as, like, this is her helping herself

[26:55] because that person is not actually there.

[26:58] And I find the movie more interesting

[27:00] as a light comedy drama

[27:04] about, like, figuring out

[27:07] how to come through depression and trauma

[27:08] than, like, a romantic comedy

[27:11] where, you know, like, the guy's just

[27:14] an angel or something, you know?

[27:16] I mean, he's not one, he's a ghost.

[27:18] Two...

[27:19] I'm saying that type of movie.

[27:21] I'm curious, Dan, do you feel it is less sophisticated as a story if it is a if it literally has a literal ghost than if it is a metaphorical ghost who just represents her inner thoughts and feelings?

[27:33] No, what I'm saying, I'm fine with it being a ghost story where the ghost is a metaphor for that.

[27:41] If it's a reading where it's like just supernatural intervention like that, I don't care for.

[27:48] Well, can it literally be a supernatural intervention, but you, the viewer, are taking it as a metaphor for your own life?

[27:54] Since if you watch the movie and you're like, oh, well, I better wait for a ghost to tell me what to do, that would be not a reasonable reaction to a movie.

[28:01] Elliot, we are saying exactly the same thing.

[28:03] I'm saying that I can take it both supernaturally and as a metaphor.

[28:11] I can take it as that way, but if someone simply takes it as supernatural, I do not like that.

[28:18] So you're saying for a smart person like you who can read it at both levels, it's a good movie.

[28:22] But for a dum-dum who's like, g-g-ghosts, okay.

[28:26] I thought they were scary, but now I know they're good and they'll help me with my problems.

[28:29] I don't know why you think it's bad for them, for the dum-dums.

[28:32] I don't know why you're going to bring out your poison pen for the takedown on this one.

[28:36] No, no, I just, I think you're splitting a hair that you might not need to be splitting.

[28:41] Well, I mean, it's the hair that I need to split in my own mind.

[28:45] Like, you're telling me I don't need to split it.

[28:47] it's a mind tear i gotta split things sometimes as long as you know you're splitting for yourself

[28:52] everybody's got so we we're gonna we're talking about splitting we're now that we're talking

[28:58] about splitting let's talk about how kate splits uh hanging out with tom and goes to live with her

[29:03] goes to stay with some friends uh but her like quirky selfish bullshit just keeps ruining her

[29:09] relationships she destroys this poor guy's fucking model collection and that is a bridge

[29:13] too far for me

[29:15] was that when you turned on

[29:18] you turned on Kate

[29:19] when you saw that she ruined not one but two

[29:22] of his craft projects

[29:23] exactly yeah

[29:25] what I did was I turned to my cat

[29:28] Meatball who's been knocking my stuff off

[29:30] my shelves and I said that's you

[29:32] you're that you're horrible

[29:33] so at this point this became a horror

[29:36] story for you because you're like okay

[29:38] it's a ghost and a demon woman

[29:40] teaming up together

[29:41] God knows what happened

[29:42] what havoc on crafts across london now i don't know if you guys noticed there's a little story

[29:48] within a story where so she's staying with her pregnant friend and her friend's husband and one

[29:54] thing i will give this movie credit for is that this is maybe the most multi-ethnic cast in a

[29:59] london set movie that i've seen in maybe ever and i really liked that they were taking advantage of

[30:03] the fact that london is a is a diversity but that she ruins his she they flashback her friend is

[30:10] pregnant and they flashback flashback to nine months ago when she ruined her friend's husband's

[30:14] model ship and i think the assumption is that he was so distraught that her friend had to have sex

[30:19] with him to make him to like take his mind off of it and got pregnant and now they're going to have

[30:23] the baby so that baby owes its life to kate ruining that model ship and that's a trade-off i'm willing

[30:28] to make people over ships that's what i say people over hobbies you know uh i don't know if i agree

[30:34] with that but that's fine we can be different seeing as i'm a parent and now have no hobbies

[30:37] i really use people over hobbies in my life so uh now i think of parenting as a hobby

[30:43] it's the toughest hobby you'll ever love you're like you're like and i can pick it up and put

[30:49] it down whenever i feel like my career is of course i've been working on this child

[30:54] for at least a year and he's still not done one of these days

[30:58] yeah i mean until you start making money off being a parent you're still an amateur

[31:04] but it also raised a question so stuart if your models got destroyed would human intimacy make

[31:11] up for that or would you be like no no get away from me this isn't this this doesn't do the same

[31:16] thing yeah yeah that's basically i think that's kind of the plot of the 40 year old virgin right

[31:20] okay so uh she returns to work but it appears that somebody has broken into yuletide the

[31:29] x-mas store that she works at uh that's me reading my notes directly because i wrote x-mas

[31:36] and so uh santa is talking to the police and after the police uh leave santa reveals that

[31:45] she had to fake the break-in kate had forgotten to lock up and that she made santa commit a crime

[31:50] to cover for her uh so she really let santa down yeah i mean the real santa commits you know

[31:57] hundreds of thousands of crimes every year just so much breaking and entering trespassing hate

[32:03] crimes lots of stuff yeah yeah he's kind of broken a window now and then they've got to assume that

[32:10] there's a chimney that's too narrow and he's like uh they'll love these toys i'll just smash this

[32:14] window and get in and then he's like oh look at this jewelry and this computer they shouldn't

[32:18] have left that lying around i'll just put that into santa's little sack and you know what i'll

[32:22] keep the toys too this would look lovely on mrs it's a fair trade for all the toys i've handed

[32:28] out over the years santa deserves to wet his beak a little it's time for santa to get his beak wet

[32:33] and then the homeowner is like santa what are you doing here and santa's like get away and

[32:37] shoots the homeowner and then the homeowner's like it's fair it's the purge oh yeah i forgot

[32:44] that christmas eve is the purge night also yeah oh okay so santa's just throwing bombs at people's

[32:51] houses it's purge night don't worry about me so she bumps into uh kate you know kate's feeling

[32:56] pretty down she bumps into tom again he tries to he takes her to a homeless shelter uh and it

[33:02] seems at this point it's like we're tom's pretty mysterious despite being a ghost we're not sure

[33:07] if he lives at the homeless shelter or whatever he says that he uh he says that he like helps out

[33:12] there he volunteers he encourages her to help out but she is hesitant later on obviously when

[33:18] looking for tom she ends up accidentally helping at a homeless shelter it is a real dick move i

[33:24] think for her to be like i don't really have a home i'm effectively homeless and he's like

[33:27] okay here's the homeless shelter why don't you stay here i'll call you on your bluff and she's

[33:32] like i guess i could go go stay at my parents house and like i thought that was a real like

[33:37] smug move on his part you know yeah for a ghost who doesn't need a home like easy for him to say

[33:43] he could just like haunt wherever he could just float around you know that's what i do yeah dan

[33:50] would dan would uh i'm guessing haunt haunt the local locker rooms

[33:54] libel accusation sorry yeah dan i guess your ghost can sue stewart after you die

[34:02] if your ghost doesn't just hang around locker rooms which you know it's going to do

[34:06] and you're like uh i'm suing stewart i'm at a dressing room not a locker room

[34:11] uh so she gets a ride to visit her mother uh she gets a ride from her father who drives a cab

[34:20] uh obviously the relation all the relationships in this family are chilly her mother's played

[34:25] by emma thompson who let's just say makes a meal out of this role yeah uh which to be honest i

[34:33] think adds just enough uh for at least for me just enough energy to her like you know like her big

[34:40] yugoslavian mother performance well and they're it's if they never go into total detail with it

[34:44] which is fine but they're they're clearly i i guess they're like croatian or serbo croatian

[34:49] and it's implied that they had to escape during the during the the terrors in yugoslavia when

[34:54] you know there was all sorts of uh ethnic strife in the country i mean it's not implied they said

[35:00] it right out right but they never make they like never she says like all my friends are dead and

[35:04] like we had to leave but they don't they don't go much more than that like i was never sure

[35:09] if they were amelia clark says it at one point she's like yeah my family all had to leave there

[35:13] during the the tear didn't she yeah yeah no they said but then never mind they say i was like i

[35:19] was never quite clear if they were serbs or croats or serbo-coasian it's not really necessary you

[35:24] know but yeah they're refugees is all that's important yeah yeah she stays the night with

[35:28] her mom and her mom takes her to a doctor's appointment in the morning and that's where

[35:32] we get a little more background that kate has been uh kate has been dealing with a medical condition

[35:38] and she's not been going to the doctor enough

[35:43] and her mother is still a point of stress, et cetera, et cetera.

[35:46] She's dealing with a very serious condition called movie heart problemitis,

[35:50] a loosely defined problem with her heart that, you know.

[35:55] Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[35:56] Hold on.

[35:57] By this time in the film, she's had a heart transplant

[36:01] and the concern is that she needs to live her life more healthily

[36:06] because she is weakened because she had gone through this transplant.

[36:11] That is the concern.

[36:12] It's not like she's got movie heart-itis.

[36:15] I just want to be fair.

[36:17] I think it's movie heart-itis.

[36:18] Okay.

[36:18] But obviously she's still having trouble moving on with,

[36:23] after suffering the both immense physical trauma of getting a heart transplant

[36:29] as well as the emotional problems or the emotional difficulty of it.

[36:33] It would be pretty funny if the doctor was like,

[36:34] well, we took an x-ray and there's a ghost in your heart.

[36:36] And we apologize.

[36:38] We should have removed it when we got the transplant.

[36:40] The donor heart should have been cleansed of ghosts.

[36:43] That's why we have a priest on staff.

[36:45] The good news is eventually that ghost is going to jump out of your heart and teach you how to live your life.

[36:52] But in between, it's going to be a couple of rough months there.

[36:55] Yeah, luckily, it's a mostly benevolent ghost.

[36:58] We've had a few people come in with malignant ghosts, very dangerous, very bad.

[37:02] But you've got a benign ghost.

[37:06] A benign ghost, yeah.

[37:07] It's a charming ghost, which is the best thing to have.

[37:10] Like a topper.

[37:10] I guess Topper was not the ghost.

[37:14] He was just the guy bedeviled by Cary Grant and who else was in that?

[37:17] I don't know.

[37:18] Mrs. Topper.

[37:20] Yeah.

[37:20] Anyway.

[37:21] It's like Peter O'Toole in the movie High Spirits.

[37:23] So we – not the rock and roll band High Spirits, which is a different thing.

[37:29] When Peter O'Toole was with them.

[37:32] Sorry.

[37:34] So Kate goes on further adventures with Tom.

[37:38] He takes her to a skating rink and she skates around.

[37:41] She goes to a family dinner where everybody's mad at each other.

[37:45] And then Kate fucking outs her sister to her parents, which is kind of wild like that.

[37:50] I feel like that strays into unforgivable territory.

[37:53] I don't know about you guys.

[37:54] This is where the movie was kind of like, should we try to be Fleabag for a couple minutes?

[37:58] We're close enough.

[37:59] No, this is too much, too much, too much.

[38:01] Not Fleabagging.

[38:02] Get out of here.

[38:02] Enough.

[38:03] Like it's pretty intense for her to do.

[38:05] But her parents either are pretending or kind of don't seem to pick up too strongly on it.

[38:10] So that scene could have gone a lot more dramatic.

[38:13] And Emma Thompson does a lot of –

[38:16] They seem pretty cool with it.

[38:18] I mean they do seem almost instantly pretty cool with it.

[38:21] Yeah.

[38:21] Yeah, I mean I feel like that is the – they backed off on some of the bad parts of that scene a little bit.

[38:29] See, that's the thing about this movie that got to me a little bit, which is that it is very much a fluff Christmas movie about a misguided woman who gets put on her way by a ghost and falls in love with that ghost.

[38:43] But they keep kind of hinting at these more serious things like refugees and xenophobia in Britain or homophobia among older people.

[38:54] But then they don't – this is going to be a light movie, so they kind of don't want to get too deep into those things.

[38:59] So they just kind of throw them in there for a moment and then back off.

[39:01] And it left me feeling a little confused.

[39:03] Well, it also, I mean, with that, with the lesbian plot in particular, which I, you know, I can spoil ahead.

[39:09] Like, there's all this concern over it.

[39:12] And then we skip ahead at the end of the movie and we see them all together.

[39:15] And like, like the mom is complimenting the girlfriend and all this stuff.

[39:20] And it does feel like there was a scene missing.

[39:23] Like, I don't think that the parents had to be, like, angry at her or, I mean, like, they could be like, we are very traditional people, but we love you as is, you know, we hope the case out there with might, you know, might happen for people like that.

[39:40] But that scene is missing, you know?

[39:42] I guess we have to assume it happens during the many scenes of her setting up that talent show at the end.

[39:49] Yeah.

[39:50] Yeah, it was originally intended to be.

[39:53] in the background while the talent show auditions were happening so uh kate is despondent after her

[40:00] terrible family dinner experience she goes out drinking she bumps into tom again he takes her to

[40:05] his apartment and kate has a kind of a breakdown and she reveals that she a year ago she'd had a

[40:13] heart transplant and how uh she's having trouble moving on with her life yeah and there i don't

[40:20] know if there's anything else i mean they don't they don't sleep together no he's very gentle

[40:25] and it's like he gives her a kiss gives he oh yeah after her request he gives her a chased kiss on

[40:31] the lips but there's a lot of like therapy talk here where he's he's like he's like just living

[40:37] is hard we have to be easier with ourselves about just getting through the day and it was like all

[40:41] right now he's moving into like yeah he passed he passed like like the dream of the supportive

[40:48] partner to like all the way on to like yeah like like ghost therapist and like even to the degree

[40:56] that like yeah he's like like you're looking you're going through trauma right now like all

[41:01] you need yeah is to sleep you know but i i did think it was interesting that i thought that

[41:08] this movie and like this scene in particular investigated the idea i mean i feel like

[41:13] whenever like transplant is used as a plot point in any sort of like a story it's like the end

[41:23] point and it's it's usually just not examined like this of like yeah even if everything goes right

[41:29] yeah it's gonna feel really fucking weird when you get a transplant you have this thing in your

[41:33] body and like you don't know what that means for your future you know something broke and you don't

[41:41] know if it's going to be fixed in the long run and i don't know i thought that was like something

[41:45] that i hadn't really thought about when i think about like people getting transplants i agree

[41:50] with that too like i that was maybe my favorite stuff in the movie just the fact that like she

[41:56] had this thing she had this close call that most people would think okay you would just feel blessed

[42:01] about that but it creates such you know like ptsd and all this other stuff that like i liked that

[42:08] the movie was about that and about getting through it and in a way i think on some level

[42:14] it justifies the parallel between the idea of like uh refugees and transplants and that right

[42:19] so i just want to mention we mentioned the phrase we mentioned the phrase ghost therapist there's

[42:25] the movie pitch it's a comedy just because he's dead doesn't mean his patients don't still need

[42:30] him and the ghost comes back and i can see the scene in the trailer where a patient gets really

[42:33] mad and picks up like something like a stapler from his desk and throws it through him and it

[42:38] hits the wall and he goes are we done and that's when it goes to the ghost therapist i feel like i

[42:44] feel like after the events of this movie she needs to just keep tom's ghost around to have her like

[42:49] set up an inspirational instagram account or something yeah something with a lot of different

[42:54] fonts uh so um let's see uh talking to tom kind of inspires kate so she sets out to help people

[43:03] um she starts singing carols in the street and then that kind of uh right in front of the homeless

[43:10] shelter and then they bring her into the shelter and she starts setting up she starts organizing

[43:15] the it's like a christmas talent show right or like a christmas pageant it's like a fundraiser

[43:19] talent show where people with money will pay to see the homeless cavort in front of them

[43:24] for their amusement.

[43:26] There's a little bit of a thing here that bugs me where earlier in the movie, she tells

[43:31] her boss, she's like, I don't think I'm going to do auditions anymore.

[43:33] They're not good for me.

[43:34] And Michelle Weoh is like, good, I'm glad you came to that.

[43:36] And she's like, now it's time to make the homeless audition.

[43:39] Because like, is she really going to turn down any of these people and not let them

[43:42] be in the talent show?

[43:43] Like, how cruel would that be?

[43:45] Yeah.

[43:45] No, they got to sing for their supper, Elliot.

[43:49] so then she bumps into tom again uh you know she's ready to make a full commitment

[43:54] but tom has a secret so they get in a fight and uh she runs off no i just like the secret thing

[44:02] uh just remind me like while i was watching it i like there's the scene later on where he like

[44:08] where like she's figured it out and i and then he shows up again later and i just imagine him

[44:14] being like oh so i'm sorry about keeping it secret that i'm a ghost like i really should uh

[44:22] you know that's on me like i really yes or they bump into she bumps into him later and he's like

[44:28] i'm sorry but i'm married i'm a married ghost i'm married to another ghost and then a lady

[44:36] ghost comes by yeah who's this tom but he he just hands like he's like no no not her him i'm also

[44:45] gay i should have mentioned i'm gay and a ghost and i'm married did i not and also i'm secretly

[44:52] a millionaire but i did it and he hands her a card that says i'm sorry it shows like a bashful

[44:59] ghost it says i'm sorry and then he says that i'm a ghost yeah it says i made a boo-boo

[45:04] i made a boo says i really put the boo in boo boo yeah cool so uh meanwhile uh when

[45:15] kate is visiting her mom uh petra her mother uh sees like the news and sees anti-immigrant uh

[45:23] demonstrations on the news and then later on kate is riding a bus and there's some racist

[45:29] This dickhead shouting at people, telling people to leave the country, and Kate is inspired to step up and form a bond with a couple that is speaking Yugoslavian?

[45:42] I think if they're speaking Serbo-Croat or – like Yugoslavian – I mean Yugoslavia as a nation was the conglomeration of a number of different territories that were majority of different ethnic groups.

[45:54] but the uh she also this is a moment where she embraces her heritage as the whole movie she's

[45:59] been rejecting the name katarina in favor of kate because her favorite movie kate and leopold she

[46:05] could have named herself leopold but for whatever reason she decided not to wasn't that about ghosts

[46:10] too that was about time travel right yeah he was a hugh jackman was a man out of time he uh was a

[46:16] noble from yeah the past where where everything was better everything oh the gentleman back in

[46:22] the past everyone was so nice to women back in the past what is a ghost is a ghost a tragedy

[46:28] condemned to repeat itself time and again and instead of pain perhaps something dead which

[46:34] still seems to be alive an emotion suspended in time like a blurred photograph like an insect

[46:41] trapped in amber so uh stewart i like how it feels like we're like um your tool set

[46:50] and you're like peeking us you're like finding us on the shelf in the in the video display

[46:56] you're talking about the uh the the storage locker that i have to record the podcast

[47:01] it does for anyone anyone who's trying to imagine it it's like in the movies when there's a camera

[47:07] shot from inside a refrigerator when someone opens up a refrigerator like that's what it

[47:11] looks like while we're looking at like we're the ketchup and he's just looking into the fridge

[47:15] I'm like, why is there all this fucking Sunny D?

[47:18] I just want my purple stuff.

[47:19] So or like maybe like an old jar of like pickled cabbage will start talking to me.

[47:27] And it's a commercial for cleaning your refrigerator.

[47:29] So is that the thing that they have commercials for that?

[47:33] Like from the clean fridge council, clean your refrigerator, won't you?

[47:37] Like there's refrigerators like, oh, I'm so full of dirt.

[47:41] I don't feel so good.

[47:43] Why don't you clean your fridge?

[47:44] Give your fridge a fridge cleaning day.

[47:46] Brought to you by the Clean Fridge Council.

[47:47] Dirt in a fridge.

[47:49] I mean, it doesn't need to be cold.

[47:50] It's shelf stable, Elliot.

[47:52] Oh, why are people putting cold dirt in me?

[47:55] So somebody's like, I'm going on vacation.

[47:59] I better put this flower pot in the fridge so the flower stays fresh.

[48:02] So Kate starts to, oh, it's like when people put batteries in the freezer.

[48:06] You're like, what, do you want to make a remote control cold?

[48:09] Are you supposed to put batteries in the freezer?

[48:13] I think so, yeah.

[48:14] Also, it could be a commercial for the refrigerators that are connected to the internet because isn't their job to tell you if something's bad or not?

[48:25] Why do you need the internet for that?

[48:28] Because I don't know, but that's the point of that.

[48:32] You want to see if your fruit is bad from a distance.

[48:34] Because they're in the bad food chat room.

[48:39] Take a look at these hot picks.

[48:43] Yeah, I don't want my refrigerator attached to the internet and suddenly there's just a bunch of porn in the refrigerator.

[48:48] I don't need that.

[48:49] I like my porn hot, not cold.

[48:51] Always pop-ups.

[48:53] I'm just trying, you're like pushing pop-up windows out of the way to get to the eggs.

[48:58] You're like, oh, come on.

[48:59] So Kate starts to try and make amends.

[49:04] She attempts to repair the bond with her sister.

[49:09] It goes okay.

[49:11] She spends time with her mom and goes to a farmer's market.

[49:14] She goes and starts apologizing to all the friends that she is disappointed.

[49:18] I think this is they probably I think this scene is set to like freedom or something.

[49:23] Right. Yeah, I think so.

[49:24] I did like the implication that her relationship with her mom was not so bad that it couldn't be fixed by one afternoon at a farmer's market.

[49:30] Yeah. When they took shots together.

[49:32] Yeah. I mean, to be fair, her mom seems like a little overbearing, but not that.

[49:37] I mean, pretty normal mom, like not that different than like the kind of person we have to be like.

[49:41] mom but it wasn't like there was no uh there's no reason to leave the house but also at the end of

[49:47] the movie mom and dad who have not talked basically for years seem like happy together or at least

[49:53] like very friendly the like they've accepted the daughter like everyone's happy and the implication

[49:59] is the one problem this family was our lead like that our lead somehow dragged down the entire

[50:05] family until she became better that can happen i have had friends where their family is destroyed

[50:10] by a sibling who's just like such a

[50:12] such a hard person to deal with

[50:14] but every now and then a ghost comes

[50:16] in sets that family straight so

[50:18] Dan I guess what I'm saying is this movie should be taken literally

[50:20] because it does happen

[50:21] so

[50:27] she returns to Tom's apartment she wants

[50:30] to share all of her

[50:31] good vibes with her buddy Tom

[50:34] only to find that a stranger dressed

[50:36] similarly to him who

[50:38] makes his living as a realtor is

[50:40] selling the apartment what in the in one of the cupboards that she finds tom's cell phone and then

[50:47] all of a sudden she realizes she's looking around the office she sees all the things she realized

[50:53] she's been talking to kaiser soze the whole time it hits her like a ton of bricks tom died last

[50:59] christmas he got hit by a bus then he donated his heart and that heart now resides in her chest

[51:05] can you believe it we damn we should have known from the lyrics last christmas got hit by a bus

[51:12] i gave my heart to amelia clark okay wait i had a question did you guys was this was this uh

[51:22] the joke or was it only funny to me at first i was like oh i'm so clever for realizing that

[51:27] this was funny and then i'm like oh maybe this is the point of the thing but the thing that he

[51:32] keeps telling everyone is look up but then he was like on a bike and got hit by a truck

[51:37] that is like that his philosophy on life look up is just tied in with him not looking up

[51:46] exactly yeah how did you hit you hurt you hurt your pointer finger are you okay you're pointing

[51:53] at us vehemently and i saw a band-aid over you know it's really uh my child is obsessed with

[52:01] pointing so this is a serious injury in my household it's uh i caught myself on a

[52:08] cooking item i was washing make up a story make it up yeah no i was i had made a cake for my

[52:18] son we used the feature that that's the greater feature in the food processor

[52:23] and then when i was watching it washing it i just sliced my finger yeah that's a common

[52:30] injury in the kalen household to me watching something sharp and then and you get those like

[52:35] those shallow cuts where there's a lot of blood but it takes forever to heal and like exactly

[52:40] and then he uh yeah and then i had to give him a bath last night and everything reopened and so

[52:46] then i had to wrap my finger up and there was all this blood and i uh left a tissue on the counter

[52:51] while i was putting him to bed so my husband saw it as a passive-aggressive gesture of like

[52:56] just so you know i was bleeding and i didn't i mean he should have helped he could have he should

[53:02] maybe have been the one to give the bath but i know your husband especially because it was a

[53:07] bath in lime juice and you're like all that citrus right in the cut i know i was like this will help

[53:12] right the worst part was when when your son took took your finger and put it in his mouth and now

[53:17] he has a taste for human blood that's never gonna go away

[53:20] have we ever talked about having a baby really made me think about how horrible it would be

[53:28] if a baby was bitten by a vampire and so that baby never grows up and is just a baby forever

[53:33] screaming constantly for blood and it does it's like what a it was the i i sometimes lie awake

[53:38] at night worried that's going to happen and it would be so nightmarish to like your kid never

[53:43] grows up and it's always a baby wow elliot's writing concept stuff for like 1990s world of

[53:48] darkness uh vampire the masquerade source books uh so uh so he we we finally got to see also all

[53:58] the scenes the flashbacks to the scenes with tom but tom's not there because he was a ghost

[54:03] yep so we finally get that moment you know i feel like if i was going to direct a movie just to keep

[54:08] everybody on their toes i would shoot every scene with at least one person missing so they think

[54:13] like wait is my character a ghost the whole time uh so she she runs into ghost tom they're sitting

[54:21] on the secret garden bench we're sitting with the producers they're like stewart you're way

[54:24] over budget and you're way over shooting schedule it's gonna be the best prank don't worry guys

[54:28] uh so we uh and then we see of course as dan mentioned before there's a little dedication

[54:34] plaque on the bench in the secret garden to tom webster uh with his catchphrase look up

[54:40] theoretically the last thing that went through his mind before the bus.

[54:44] Look up, by the way, is one of those things that seems like it's meaningful,

[54:48] but I never quite understood this inspiring message.

[54:52] Well, if you're looking down, you might not see a sign that looks like a grasshopper or some shit,

[54:56] like they do in the movie, you know?

[54:57] You don't see those grasshopper signs.

[54:58] So it's like that song from Sesame Street,

[55:02] Looking at a crack in the sidewalk, I nearly missed the rainbow.

[55:04] That song?

[55:06] I don't know that song, but it sounds like a George Michael song,

[55:08] because it's so depressing.

[55:10] all right sorry go on okay so then we're at the uh we have the uh christmas pageant at the homeless

[55:17] shelter and basically every character who has shown up in this movie anyone who has had a

[55:21] speaking role is there it is huge and of course kate gets up there in her elf elf suit and sings

[55:28] last christmas and the audience loses their fucking minds like it's event horizon i will

[55:34] voice like an angel voice like an angel wish that voice had showed up to the auditions

[55:40] this this is a movie that i was i was pretty cynical about but this scene i was like okay

[55:48] movie you got me i like seeing everybody show up and she and she you know entertains them and stuff

[55:52] it it did for me what uh craig t nelson and mary steenburgen tangoing to meatloaf in uh book club

[55:59] did for dan yep i mean not that i cried but i was like okay you got me movie no it's a very very

[56:05] sweet moment uh then we have you know like a family christmas or boxing day uh uh meal where

[56:12] the whole family's there marta and nora nor is that's the name of the girl alba right alba yeah

[56:18] alba okay um and they're all hanging out they're having a great old time telling jokes and then

[56:25] we get up a last shot of kate sitting in that secret garden in the spring uh she seems to have

[56:31] gotten her life together she looks like she got her hair done and has a new dress and she looks

[56:37] up into the sky presumably at ghost tom and then we have credits and the credits are accompanied

[56:43] by scenes from the movie unrelated to the credits yeah she also and by the end she's wearing a lot

[56:49] less makeup right or is she just wearing more natural looking makeup i think she's wearing

[56:53] more natural looking makeup that's one thing that kind of bothered me at the end of the movie

[56:56] honestly because she looked kind of born again almost uh not to like put anyone's like religion

[57:04] down i you know grew up uh in a religious household and that that is fine but she like

[57:10] looked scrubbed in a way that seemed to like take away i don't know something of her personality

[57:16] like because you like a girl with some grit on her a little sin yeah a little sadder but wiser

[57:22] girl for me elliot yeah exactly yeah like the librarian the uh that's i i think dan i mean i'm

[57:30] also not not a the one of the things that kept me from being into this movie for most of running

[57:34] time is that christmas is not a magical time for me because it is not a holiday i take part in and

[57:39] i feel like it is forced i can't get away from it during that time but if a ghost came and visited

[57:44] me i would probably convert i mean that's about all the evidence if a if a ghost was like hey

[57:50] i'm a ghost i'm dead now this is what the afterlife is like i'm like well i'm not gonna

[57:53] argue with this like this is that's the problem i always had in like all these uh like fantasy

[58:00] movies where i don't know there's like demons from hell but the like person in charge is like

[58:06] still struggling with their faith and i'm like i think you just had your worldview confirmed dude

[58:11] like just be cool with it all now yeah you know what that's you got to extrapolate that to like

[58:16] in the marvel movies why doesn't that world like why is that world not got you've been like okay

[58:21] the norse gods were the real ones i guess that's the way it is like all this jesus stuff was was

[58:25] kind of a kind of a fake this whole time because i can see thor he's right there he's fighting crime

[58:31] i like it this is kind of much more of an interventionist god than our god i've never

[58:36] seen christ come down and crime in those movies right it is just very much monsters i mean it is

[58:42] those monsters are doing you know property damage property damage murder attempted murder

[58:47] like property damage dave always puts property before people i mean ultron was trying to destroy

[58:54] an entire country or city right so i feel like that's a crime but if if jesus came down and was

[59:00] fighting a giant robot or like a you know a sarcastic robot that was trying to destroy a

[59:05] foreign country i'd be like you know what judaism we had we had a good ride but uh but i feel like

[59:10] this this says all i need you know yeah well anyway uh i guess that's basically you're not

[59:16] seeing buddha go up against thanos that's all i'm saying you know uh so we can do our final

[59:21] judgments about whether this is a good bad movie a bad bad movie or a movie kind of liked guys

[59:26] i gotta say i kind of like this movie i thought it was perfectly pleasant i thought it was fun

[59:32] i thought she was like super charming in it and the supporting cast was good and also

[59:38] i think i've been thinking about it and the problem the reason i split that hair before

[59:43] is for me if you read this as um as a sort of supernatural intervention like that is too close

[59:53] to me for like kind of a divine intervention where it takes away her agency in you know her

[1:00:01] own recovery and so i i i think that as a movie that appeals to someone like doesn't even have to

[1:00:09] be someone who like has gone through trauma but maybe someone who is just uh working through

[1:00:14] depression or or some sort of bad turn in their life like i don't know i really liked that part

[1:00:20] of it i thought it was sort of inspiring in a weird way so that's that's what i thought about

[1:00:26] the movie okay hallie ready for you to roast the movie this fucking rolled

[1:00:34] no uh i think i i think the text i said i was trying to find the text i sent to dan

[1:00:42] after i watched it which was something like uh hold on let me find it we've been texting a lot

[1:00:50] so no it's cool it's cool i mean we live in the same city at same time zone but i had you over

[1:00:56] my house for dinner but that's okay like we don't need to we don't need to i mean most of the text

[1:00:59] thing was about technical issues that i had fucked up but i said weeping feel good movie of the

[1:01:06] century nothing snarky to say about it renewed my faith in the human race if you watched it and felt

[1:01:11] differently then you are a monster and i don't want to know you but i'm relieved so i loved it

[1:01:18] I enjoyed the watch, but I guess, Dan, I want to push back after you've made that statement about what you think of it,

[1:01:34] Because, like, there's, like, no real evidence in the movie that, like, she actually does anything to further, like, her own – like, there's no real role that she plays in her own healing besides, like, very much towards the end when she's like, listen, you're bad for me if you're not going to take care of me, so I'm cutting you out of my life.

[1:02:01] But as a metaphor for like – like if he's supposed to be – like we don't see her playing a role in her own healing at all.

[1:02:12] So like all he could be is a metaphor.

[1:02:14] So I don't really – I don't think that the movie like provides that for me necessarily because you don't really see like the wheels turning in her head at all until like very much towards the end.

[1:02:24] No, I mean, well, first off, I don't want to imply that I don't believe like everyone could use help in getting over things and it's good to reach out for help and you shouldn't have to like do it all on your own.

[1:02:40] so i don't want to like uh give that impression by putting forth my feelings on it but i do feel

[1:02:48] like if you accept the central premise that he could be like some sort of manifestation of her

[1:02:57] own need then you can see everything that he inspires her to do as coming from herself

[1:03:05] i guess is the way i would put it's a muddy thing i just find it like i don't know for me

[1:03:12] the movie works better or best like with that kind of uh i am realizing how to improve my life

[1:03:21] by doing things for others kind of feel that i appreciate it i don't know yeah i so this is a

[1:03:29] movie that i've watched twice now uh i watched it on my own time and then uh when i heard we

[1:03:35] were doing this episode i decided to watch it again uh and yeah i mean i feel like the twist

[1:03:41] is incredibly silly but i feel like that a ghost in her heart is showing her the true meaning of

[1:03:49] of helpfulness yep thank you for uh making that uh text um the as opposed to subtext

[1:03:56] um the but yeah i mean like amelia clark i think is very charming henry golding is fine uh but man

[1:04:06] like emma thompson uh emma thompson and michelle yo are so great they're so much fun to watch

[1:04:12] i wonder if michelle yo and uh henry golding talked about all the fun times they had on the

[1:04:17] set of crazy rich asians but you know maybe that's for the book about the making of this movie

[1:04:21] and uh it i feel like i feel like for like a test run for like a george michael themed like

[1:04:30] jukebox musical this is a pretty good like initial statement like i feel like you could

[1:04:35] turn this into a full-on musical like a stage musical uh yeah so uh come on broadway uh

[1:04:44] give it all the covid and come back with one of those come on broadway it's an easy step one i

[1:04:50] would say this is a movie i kind of like uh i don't know that i'd go so far as to say that i

[1:04:55] kind of liked it because it's not like i would say i didn't i don't think this is a bad bad or a good

[1:05:00] bad but i think it's in that realm of like this is not necessarily a bad movie but it's not a for

[1:05:05] it's not for me type of movie like i kept kind of as as super charming as amelia clark is the movie

[1:05:11] is like never really like funny and there are a few times when it's trying to be funny there's a

[1:05:17] joke about nuts and nutcrackers that i found so incredibly loathsome that it was like movie you're

[1:05:24] better than this come on uh but there were times when i was like oh there's a more like i wanted

[1:05:30] this movie to go to be a little bit less cutesy and go a little bit farther into like emma thompson

[1:05:36] michelle yeo's characters partly because they're amazing actors but also like there's something

[1:05:41] about their experience as like first generation as like immigrants basically that are making their

[1:05:48] way in this place and kind of doing whatever they have to where i was like oh i've never seen

[1:05:51] like a christmas movie that is from that angle but they touched on it a little bit uh so that's

[1:05:57] all right but i would say look if you're looking for a movie to watch with your family when you

[1:06:02] visit your parents on a holiday this movie will be fine for everybody and it'll solve that problem

[1:06:07] And I think Stuart is exactly right.

[1:06:09] This would be, I think, even more successful creatively as a George Michael jukebox or Wham jukebox musical that's on stage.

[1:06:17] I think the ghost twist would be a lot easier to take as like kind of a fun thing on a stage show than in a movie because in a movie you're like expecting more.

[1:06:27] Well, I was also just like when I was watching this with Audrey who really enjoys it but enjoys it more as a bad movie than I do, I think she was like, oh, this like twist is so good.

[1:06:37] dumb and i'm like yeah it is but i also think sort of like what you're saying if this was a movie

[1:06:44] from like 1938 or something we'd accept it more because we'd be like oh okay like i understand

[1:06:50] this context for sort of light romantic supernatural comedy you know well here's here's

[1:06:56] the difference i think would be in if they did it in the 30s i think there would be probably a more

[1:07:01] of a genuine sense of like um when that when the reveal would or the ending would have more of a

[1:07:07] genuine sense of of religiosity to it which i think would help in some ways but also here's

[1:07:12] what you do with this movie don't make it the twist at the end have her find out he's a ghost

[1:07:15] like halfway through like a quarter of the way in something you know maybe not a quarter like a

[1:07:20] third of the way in and then that way it doesn't become the movie's only twist and then you get

[1:07:24] her dealing with a ghost which is opens up a whole a whole new world so here's what we do

[1:07:28] we make it a stage show we put some more george michael songs in there and we find out that he's

[1:07:32] a ghost earlier in it so it's not it doesn't feel like it's a slender read that the whole movie is

[1:07:37] resting on you know okay it's a little bit like if you if you made memento and at the end you were

[1:07:42] like and by the way he doesn't have his memory he'd be like wait what that's that's what i was

[1:07:46] waiting for this whole time but when you know that going in it's just smooth gravy guys this

[1:07:52] is like caitlin for smooth gravy you like smooth gravy here's a lot of people don't realize how

[1:07:57] smooth gravy can be and so we here at smooth gravy have decided to take out the worst part

[1:08:03] of gravy the lumps and give you just that smooth smooth gravy liquid but the lumps are usually the

[1:08:09] meat yeah well we just keep churning that meat till it's super super smooth you know we sand it

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[1:11:01] There's one more thing we'd like to promote.

[1:11:02] That is on August 15th, we'll be doing our promised, threatened, long-awaited reading of the script for The Boy Next Door.

[1:11:09] That's right.

[1:11:10] This was a reward to our Flophouse listeners for all the charitable giving they gave during our Howard the Duck live talk stream video thing for charity.

[1:11:21] We were really amazed by how many people turned out for that, how much money they donated.

[1:11:26] We were really inspired by it.

[1:11:27] So we did the only thing we could do with that inspiration, and we organized a reading of the script for The Boy Next Door starring Jennifer Lopez and other people.

[1:11:35] That's going to be Saturday, August 15th at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific.

[1:11:40] If you want to see it, just go to the Flophouse YouTube page.

[1:11:42] That's www.youtube.com slash C slash The Flophouse Podcast.

[1:11:46] Or you can also just Google Flophouse Podcast YouTube page.

[1:11:51] I did that, and it took me to the same basic place.

[1:11:52] It's going to be us.

[1:11:54] Hallie is going to be there.

[1:11:56] Should we mention right off the bat that, yes, the dream casting is happening.

[1:12:00] Dan McCoy will be playing the part of Jennifer Lopez, and Hallie will be playing the titular boy who creeps all over Jennifer Lopez.

[1:12:07] So if you ever wanted to see Hallie creep on Dan, this is the time to do it.

[1:12:13] She will have the immortal line, I love your mom's cookies, as said in the movie, The Boy Next Door.

[1:12:19] So, again, that's August 15th, 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific, www.youtube.com slash C slash The Flophouse Podcast.

[1:12:26] It should be a lot of fun.

[1:12:28] Other people will be in the cast, too.

[1:12:29] You'll see them at the time.

[1:12:31] Yay.

[1:12:33] That sounds good.

[1:12:34] That sounds like something to do, right, guys?

[1:12:36] To while away the hours?

[1:12:38] We're all looking for something to do.

[1:12:40] Nothing else to do.

[1:12:41] Hey, just get yourself, your family, the ghost that lives in your heart, pop some popcorn, and just tune in.

[1:12:47] Hey, guys, I was thinking, what if this movie were named The Haunted Heart?

[1:12:52] I love it.

[1:12:54] Kind of gives away the twist, but.

[1:12:56] Okay.

[1:12:59] All right.

[1:13:00] Sorry for jumping past that before.

[1:13:06] Okay, guys, have you ever seen, could I do a version of the Telltale Heart that's all little kids and it's called the Tattletail Heart?

[1:13:12] You could do that.

[1:13:14] There's no law against that, right?

[1:13:16] Nope.

[1:13:17] uh let's do letters now from listeners uh like you who are listening this is from tim

[1:13:24] last name withheld who writes dear danny dan and the floppy bunch who would win in a battle

[1:13:30] stew's liver dan's good knee or elliot's forearm forearm hair also after re-watching the disaster

[1:13:36] artist and realizing that the movie is uh not very good sorry i realized that the movie was

[1:13:42] not very good and franco the younger was a terrible casting choice for greg sestero and his beard

[1:13:48] looked nick cage hairpiece terrible on the other hand he was very well cast in jump street what

[1:13:54] are some of movie history's worst casting choices in your minds getting a weird french dude to play

[1:14:01] the lead in highlander was sick though thank you for continuing to inject joy into my sad

[1:14:07] collapsing veins tim lasting withheld um i'm glad that somebody finally took elliot down a notch for

[1:14:15] that crazy ass arm hair you have thank you you're right finally take that take that my eastern

[1:14:22] european ancestors how dare you is it the arm hair on your forearm or the arm hair that creeps out of

[1:14:27] the uh the edges of your tank tops wow you mean my armpit hair no but but is it armpit hair when

[1:14:35] it kind of like sprouts out of the top of your shoulders and then no that's shoulder hair no

[1:14:40] that's shoulder hair stewart no you're right i apologize it's a crime against nature that even

[1:14:45] though i evolved from a primate i retained the body hair of said animal and i will be talking

[1:14:51] to my i'll be talking to my uh manscaper about it yeah okay you can get that threaded dude you can

[1:14:58] get that threaded right off i mean or it's thick i could be turned into a topiary who knows let's

[1:15:02] do it yeah yeah we're airing all the laundry hey i'll uh start no dan it's it's we're airing what's

[1:15:08] under the laundry my hair bravo uh miscasting i will say that my uh if i ever i end up i end up

[1:15:18] shirtless at my house a lot because my children are constantly getting gook all over my shirts

[1:15:23] and uh my or and also we're or we'll be swimming or something and uh my my toddler boy he likes to

[1:15:29] run his hair his fingers through my chest hair and he goes i like your fur daddy i like your fur

[1:15:35] that's so gross i think it's very adorable it is cute um the part of it that is about my body

[1:15:45] that's gross but what he does is not um there's no sexual aspect to it hallie okay although daddy

[1:15:53] i love your fur would be a very sexual thing to say under certain contexts i mean depends on who's

[1:15:58] saying it to who yeah um okay so miscasting if it was if it was scrappy do saying it to snagglepuss

[1:16:06] then yes yeah that's incredibly sexual i mean i i certainly am gonna have to remove it from my

[1:16:11] sexual uh repertoire yeah because i'll just bring up images of elliot okay so what are we talking

[1:16:17] about we're talking about miscasting uh and i think that like you know just to dispense with

[1:16:22] it up top obviously there's a huge uh problem of whitewashing or casting uh people of not a certain

[1:16:31] race as a race uh that i don't think we can necessarily touch on here but if we're talking

[1:16:36] about miscasting i just wanted to say that but in terms of like just like the type of person

[1:16:42] they would have these roles i mean ali and i sorry i interrupted you uh before i get to mine

[1:16:46] what were you gonna say no i don't remember oh sorry well then i'll continue uh the thing that

[1:16:52] came to my mind was uh appropriate since emma thompson was in this i've got two talk show hosts

[1:16:58] here uh when emma thompson was in the movie late night uh which was almost a studio 60 level

[1:17:05] misunderstanding of what it is to be a comedy writer which was weird since uh since mindy

[1:17:11] kaling wrote it but um but she's not a late night writer that's true that's true i shouldn't but she

[1:17:16] surely knows anyway uh so emma thompson surprised this is just speaking as a as speaking as someone

[1:17:22] who has recently spent a lot of time

[1:17:24] with members of the Writers Guild

[1:17:26] negotiating a contract,

[1:17:27] you'd be surprised how little anyone knows

[1:17:31] about how late-night writing works.

[1:17:32] Yeah, all right.

[1:17:33] Okay, well, fair enough.

[1:17:34] But anyway, Emma Thompson in Late Night

[1:17:36] and Robert De Niro in The Joker

[1:17:38] both fail at convincing that they come out

[1:17:42] and read monologue jokes every night

[1:17:44] and people like it.

[1:17:44] I mean, Robert De Niro in Joker

[1:17:47] is, I think, the worst performance

[1:17:49] as a talk show host I've ever seen.

[1:17:51] Like, it's so bad.

[1:17:52] He's so totally, like, uncharismatic.

[1:17:56] And it's one of those things where it's like, I can't believe they gave Pupkin his own show because he's not very good at it.

[1:18:04] Because it's the same character from King of Comedy, right?

[1:18:06] Like, that's the only explanation I can think of is that he got that job in the 80s, and now he's coasting like Letterman at the end of his career.

[1:18:13] And he just kind of, like, doesn't care anymore, in which case it's the best performance I've ever seen.

[1:18:17] Anyone else have anything to say?

[1:18:20] You don't have to.

[1:18:21] I mean, I mean, obviously one of the great ones is Denise Richards as Christmas Jones and the nuclear physicist in the James Bond movie.

[1:18:29] That's great. And like recently, these are both TV shows, but there's there's that show Sneaky Pete where Giovanni Ribisi plays a con man.

[1:18:42] and i'm like nothing about this guy inspires confidence he like i will not believe a word he

[1:18:49] says he seems like he is has one foot out the door the whole time yeah you're playing the subtext

[1:18:54] there as text yeah and uh and then there's uh there's that show that i actually ended up liking

[1:19:00] a lot that uh on hbo run uh with merit weaver and domino gleason where domino gleason plays a

[1:19:07] like a motivational speaker and there's nothing about him that makes me think that he can

[1:19:12] like that people would listen to what he has to say and follow along i have two i'll mention uh

[1:19:19] one of them for there but there are a lot of old movies where there is a a bad piece of casting but

[1:19:24] looking at flop house movies i would say that valerian and the city of a thousand planets

[1:19:28] uh they they really like miscast those leads quite a bit when they got like they it was like

[1:19:36] They were like, you two, play against type as much as possible.

[1:19:38] It's going to be great.

[1:19:39] And they just kind of disappear into the movie around them because they can't really carry it.

[1:19:44] But I would say that the movie The Post, the riveting tale of a newspaper that is reporting on something else another newspaper is doing, the story is so exciting that the final verdict by the judge is delivered via somebody hearing it over the phone and then repeating it to their office mates.

[1:20:00] Obviously there's a lot of issues with the movie.

[1:20:04] But Tom Hanks I felt like was kind of on autopilot, and next to him you had Bob Odenkirk doing I thought a really good performance as the like in that kind of second tier of roles in it.

[1:20:16] And I would have loved to have seen Bob Odenkirk play the Tom Hanks role because I feel like he would have worked harder at it, whereas Tom Hanks was just kind of like, I'm Tom Hanks.

[1:20:24] I'm just doing a Tom Hanks thing.

[1:20:25] Come on, everybody.

[1:20:26] It's me, Tom Hanks.

[1:20:27] And I love Tom Hanks.

[1:20:29] He's great.

[1:20:29] But sometimes Tom Hanks, you got to do more than just be Tom Hanks.

[1:20:33] Like, maybe be the captain of a World War II naval ship.

[1:20:35] I haven't seen it yet.

[1:20:35] Is it any good?

[1:20:36] Not that I heard.

[1:20:38] Hallie, do you have anything at all?

[1:20:40] Yeah.

[1:20:40] I would say, I don't know if you guys are, well, I would say just off the Tom Hanks thing,

[1:20:47] if we talk in Da Vinci code, like the Tom Hanks, Audrey, tattoo, whatever, coupling

[1:20:55] was infamously bad.

[1:20:58] But my real beef, well, I actually had a lot of ideas in this.

[1:21:03] The first one that came to mind was Julia Roberts and Mary Riley.

[1:21:08] Did you guys ever see that movie?

[1:21:10] Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah.

[1:21:11] You mean Julia Roberts and Mary Riley.

[1:21:15] I had a big crush on John Malkovich when I was young, so I saw all his movies.

[1:21:22] That is a sentence that is very Hallie.

[1:21:26] That's a very Hallie Haglund thing to say.

[1:21:30] And yet, he was poorly cast in a lot of things, because he's, you know, can't do accents.

[1:21:39] He's not great at accents, or, you know, I think of Mice and Men was a stretch for him.

[1:21:46] But in Mary Riley, I think Julia Roberts was the real problem.

[1:21:50] She could not nail the Irish accent she was trying to pull off, and it just, like, wasn't her genre.

[1:21:56] she's it's kind of like amelia clark being cast in all these super serious roles we want to joy

[1:22:02] we want a joyful julia roberts you know do you think do you think john malkovich did of mice

[1:22:08] and men because tom noonan wasn't around and they just grabbed the nearest other guy that was kind

[1:22:12] of like tom noonan yeah probably when a huge superstar tom noonan dropped out of the role

[1:22:17] they had to scramble and all they could get was john malkovich i just want to say

[1:22:21] Sorry, with what Hallie was saying, like the miscasting thing, often it just goes to show you that like, like, I don't want to seem like we're down on actors because I think it kind of proves that oftentimes actors are so at the mercy of what they're given.

[1:22:38] I mean, there's some people who obviously transcend every time, but like it is so hard to do that, that like you see people who have have not impressed you for years and then they like turn out like, oh, no, you're fantastic at this.

[1:22:50] And it's because they got the opportunity to show it.

[1:22:52] Well, I think it's not necessarily – I mean that's one way to put it is what they're given.

[1:22:56] But I think it also goes to show that like actors are not – to be an actor and even a great actor is not this myth of, well, he can play anything or she can play anything.

[1:23:04] It's like John Malkovich I think for a while that was like he's a great actor.

[1:23:09] The guy can do anything.

[1:23:10] When really he's great but he has a certain type of character he can play.

[1:23:15] And it's like that with – I feel like there's every big star at a certain point, they get to that point where it's just like I'm going to play it all or they say, well, we just need a big name.

[1:23:23] Let's throw them in and it is not the right thing for them to do.

[1:23:27] But I also think that the problem is like there's this conflation of like good actor with intensity, which I actually – despite my earlier flame for John Malkovich, upon revisiting some old Mary Riley scenes, I was like, oh, yeah, like maybe John Malkovich actually kind of sucks and he's just really intense.

[1:23:45] Because one person who I was thinking about who I was like is always miscast except for in Billions, which is a totally ridiculous show, is Paul Giamatti.

[1:23:55] I always think he's bad and I'm always like I don't understand why he's the most famous – such a respected actor because all he is is like intensity.

[1:24:04] He's not like – did I watch John Adams?

[1:24:08] Is that what you were going to ask?

[1:24:08] No, no.

[1:24:09] I was going to say did you ever see Win-Win?

[1:24:10] Oh, no.

[1:24:11] It's still a serious movie, but he's much lighter in it, and I think you're exactly right.

[1:24:18] It's like there's – like you look at John Malkovich and you look at his performance in Being John Malkovich, and he's so – he's lightly playing an intense character in that, and it's so much better than in the movies where he's like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, like where he's barking and things like that.

[1:24:32] Like that one where he played a dog, Dog Malkovich, where he's just barking.

[1:24:36] I have to say that I cannot –

[1:24:40] I agree with Hallie.

[1:24:41] I cannot let go of this joke that was killed by Elliot mentioning being John Malkovich.

[1:24:46] I was going to say that when Hallie was like, I don't know whether John Malkovich is good or bad.

[1:24:51] I was going to be like, well, then come with me through this flesh tube and we'll go on a trip to his brain to discover once and for all what's the deal with John Malkovich.

[1:25:01] Everybody, come on board to the flesh tube.

[1:25:06] I'm continuing to talk because you're all so nonplussed by me going back and rescuing that joke that should have just died.

[1:25:16] It is a little bit like in Blue Velvet, him going to rescue the hostage and the hostage is dead already.

[1:25:21] Hallie, what else other ones you got?

[1:25:24] Hallie, did you have any other ones?

[1:25:25] Oh, I also, well, here was my thing.

[1:25:28] is i also think that michelle williams is someone who's all about intensity and gets so much praise

[1:25:35] for being super intense but like often uh stands out in not a good way in her casting even though

[1:25:42] i know she's like very highly critically acclaimed and then i googled it and i saw that paul giamatti

[1:25:48] and michelle williams were in a movie together about some hawk and i was like i gotta see this

[1:25:52] because this is the problem like this is probably the movie i'd see or i'd say it was like worst

[1:25:57] cast but i couldn't say because i didn't see it is that the hawk is dying that one it's lady hawk

[1:26:03] that was lady hawk no it's like a hawk died or something i love that you went so far down this

[1:26:09] like rabbit hole of your least favorite actors that you like you're like connecting red yarn

[1:26:15] over to this hawk movie and you're like i gotta see this i gotta track this down the thing is i

[1:26:20] actually like michelle williams but i i guess i don't really like her as an actress i i like her

[1:26:26] the idea as an icon i never like watching her and stuff uh somebody's never seen wendy and lucy

[1:26:34] what i never saw about fossey burden i never saw that the hawk is dying is the name of the movie

[1:26:39] i'm talking about actually i know exactly in fossey burden she's very good in it but i had

[1:26:43] that same kind of issue where she's playing gwen burden and she doesn't have the like spark that

[1:26:49] gwen burden has when you see like tape of her performance and it was just like there were times

[1:26:55] And I was like, it was like, it was like, come on, Michelle.

[1:27:00] Like, I'm sure there were moments when Verdon wasn't living all of her past traumas at the same moment in her mind.

[1:27:05] You know, but I guess that's kind of what the show was all about.

[1:27:07] Hey, there's another letter.

[1:27:11] Let's do it fast.

[1:27:12] Robert, last name withheld.

[1:27:13] Wait, are there any more after this one?

[1:27:14] No, that's it.

[1:27:15] So you're saying this is the last letter?

[1:27:17] Yeah.

[1:27:17] Because last letter, I asked you a question.

[1:27:21] The very next day, you answered my question.

[1:27:25] Thank you for answering my question, and first, because you read my question.

[1:27:31] Last letter, this is that letter.

[1:27:36] After this letter, there are no more letters.

[1:27:40] In the alphabet, it would be Z, because that's literally the last letter.

[1:27:46] This letter, you'd say it's the last, and you'd be right.

[1:27:52] I guess that's the sad part.

[1:27:53] Because it is the last.

[1:27:55] When this letter is passed, there won't be any more letters.

[1:28:00] Okay, that's enough of that.

[1:28:02] Wait, I put my phone down, which had the letter on it.

[1:28:04] Also kind of highlighting what I don't like about the song, Last Christmas.

[1:28:08] Although the music video of Last Christmas is fucking incredible,

[1:28:14] and you should just watch that for two and a half hours.

[1:28:16] Tells a full story.

[1:28:18] Robert Lasting with Helen writes,

[1:28:19] When I was in college, I took a class and we presented with the question of

[1:28:23] if a piece of media had ever changed our outlook on life a trans man in my class responded by

[1:28:30] saying that pinocchio made him feel like he belonged because he because he also was sure

[1:28:36] he was a real boy which was such a profound answer that it blew my mind my question is has someone

[1:28:42] ever given an opinion on something that has profoundly changed how you thought of a piece

[1:28:47] media sincerely robert last name withheld there's a lot of pondering going on it's a pretty deep

[1:28:56] question i found it very personal i found this like uncomfortably personal that not to say that

[1:29:03] it shouldn't be asked but i felt every answer i came up with i was like i'm not sure i want to

[1:29:08] share that with people oh interesting not with not with these three knuckleheads i definitely feel

[1:29:13] like as I get older and as

[1:29:15] culture gets hopefully

[1:29:16] more wider and inclusive there are definitely

[1:29:19] things that I would overlook in movies in the past

[1:29:21] that I'm having trouble overlooking now

[1:29:23] I've been having a real crisis of the soul

[1:29:25] over the Japanese tourist character

[1:29:27] in Gremlins 2

[1:29:28] the past couple weeks as I've thought more and more

[1:29:31] about that. Yeah you bring it up a couple times. I know it's really

[1:29:33] been haunting me because it's a movie I've been

[1:29:35] so unequivocally in favor of

[1:29:37] and the more I think about it the more I'm like well I cannot

[1:29:38] I'm not okay with that part of it but also

[1:29:41] So like there's just – I can't pinpoint it, but there are a number of times that movies that I have dismissed, I'll hear somebody talk about what it means to them, and I'm like, OK, that's something that I can no longer dismiss that movie because I know it had that effect on you.

[1:29:53] And I wish I had a specific one in mind, but it really – it's a really great feeling because it's like, oh, it reminds me of the potential of this art form and how there's something for everybody in the world of movies or media or whatever.

[1:30:09] And just because something doesn't hit me one way doesn't mean it's not incredibly valuable because it might hit somebody else in a way that I wouldn't have recognized before.

[1:30:17] So I wholeheartedly approve of this way of thinking, but I have no examples.

[1:30:20] I'm done.

[1:30:21] I yield the remainder of my time.

[1:30:23] Fuck you.

[1:30:24] Somebody's been watching a lot of community board meetings.

[1:30:31] This is less a like an external opinion and more like like a conglomeration of like learning from people over time and like hopefully becoming more thoughtful over time.

[1:30:46] Is that like sometimes movies I feel like just change in my interpretation because of things that I've like felt in between.

[1:30:56] And one that struck me recently is I saw After Hours again, I think last year, the Scorsese movie starring Griffin Dunn, the black comedy.

[1:31:06] And it was like when I first saw it, I was kind of like, oh, this guy is just sort of being bedeviled by the city and by like bad luck and he's being overly punished, etc., etc.

[1:31:19] And then, like, seeing it again this year, I was kind of like, no, this is kind of like a sly critique of, like, this guy presents himself as being nice and at the victim of the world, but he is perpetrating a lot of his own, like, downfall.

[1:31:39] and he is like the movie is sort of like uh on the surface like shows him being kind of bedeviled by

[1:31:46] a series of women but if he showed any sort of like patience or forbearance in the movie or

[1:31:52] willingness to like not do what was expedient to save himself like everything would have gone a lot

[1:31:57] better for him and so it's just interesting to feel like i think there was a deeper meaning that

[1:32:03] was always there that i just wasn't attuned to there's a uh there's that moment in after hours

[1:32:08] where he takes out his only $20 bill

[1:32:10] and puts it in the door handle

[1:32:13] or ashtray of the taxicab door

[1:32:14] and it flies away in the wind.

[1:32:15] And I was like, well, why'd you do that, stupid?

[1:32:17] Yeah, exactly.

[1:32:18] Like, that's entirely your fault

[1:32:19] and it's something nobody would do.

[1:32:21] Come on, man.

[1:32:21] I mean, Stu, you don't have to have anything

[1:32:26] if you're having trouble with the...

[1:32:28] Yeah, I mean, the only thing that popped in my head

[1:32:31] was when I was having a conversation

[1:32:32] with somebody about furry culture

[1:32:34] and they mentioned how influential

[1:32:37] the scene in the teenage mutant ninja turtles movie where rafael is in the bathtub and i'm like

[1:32:43] you know what that scene is pretty hot i get it uh moving on to wait i didn't answer oh wait you

[1:32:52] didn't oh sorry i thought you said everything was too personal i mean no it was personal but uh

[1:32:58] i i have an answer yeah i just i'd love to bear sorry no uh yeah i mean i hope it's okay to

[1:33:06] include things that we ourselves as people in media have worked on uh but i feel like the

[1:33:13] i don't know i you know i worked on this show problem areas for two years and our second season

[1:33:19] was all about education and we sort of had this theme of you know our goal with the show was to

[1:33:26] like show show approaches that we're trying to like change a fraught system and with education

[1:33:34] a lot of it was focused on inequality and a lot uh specifically like racial inequality and our

[1:33:40] last episode was was like very specifically about like segregated schools uh and like we had talked

[1:33:49] a lot about like oh like the we should you know because it was it was like really heavily focused

[1:33:55] on these documentary portions we had and we had talked about like oh do we find a place where

[1:34:00] they've uh done districting where uh that that creates uh very integrated schools or you know

[1:34:09] do we you know where like housing is really integrated and so schooling would also be

[1:34:13] integrated or the the point is like we had we just like talked around um a lot of ideas about

[1:34:21] like how do you integrate schools and as we were putting the footage that we had gathered together

[1:34:27] um there was like a quote from someone a clip from someone that we wound up using that like

[1:34:36] uh wyatt sanak and i like when we were editing sort of went back and forth about and i remember

[1:34:42] like arguing for time like oh do like we really need to like comment on this clip uh it's it sort

[1:34:48] of takes us out of the rhythm of something but it was this person saying like you know in integrated

[1:34:54] schools for white for white students it like is is important because it just smell it like it

[1:35:00] dispels the idea that um there's something inherently smarter or better about white people

[1:35:08] when you're like in a classroom with uh people of all races but uh for black people it's kind of

[1:35:15] essential for for black and brown people it's essential because like your success in schools

[1:35:19] is like inextricably tied to like the resources that you get when you're in a classroom with

[1:35:27] white kids and I remember Wyatt being like we have to comment about this because it's so

[1:35:32] upsetting to hear something like that and think about like it's not about think about like the

[1:35:39] only way that black and brown people can have success in schools is if they're in a classroom

[1:35:45] with white people because the only way that you can access resources is when it's tied to the

[1:35:51] white people that you're associated with and it was just like uh something that sort of like

[1:35:56] upended the way that i had thought about everything that we had talked about before and how we had

[1:36:01] sort of been talking about like these ways that you can change public schools that were just all

[1:36:07] such small changes and not addressing like if you don't think about the humanity of people then like

[1:36:14] it doesn't really matter what you change within the system um and maybe that is like only uh

[1:36:21] illuminating my own ignorance but it was like a real like moment of like

[1:36:26] me understanding something that like i didn't feel like i had understood before

[1:36:32] or like taken in that's that's i was just gonna say that's such a good answer that i feel

[1:36:39] bad returning to our usual

[1:36:41] nonsense. But, Elliot, what were you going to say?

[1:36:43] We'll just edit out our responses.

[1:36:45] No, no. Yeah, yeah.

[1:36:46] I'm not saying you can't respond. I'm just

[1:36:49] expressing...

[1:36:51] Oh, no. I just want to tell Hallie she was wrong.

[1:36:53] And then actually... No, I'm just kidding.

[1:36:55] Come on.

[1:36:56] It just shows to show

[1:36:59] that when you're dealing with

[1:37:01] any sort of media, you have to be

[1:37:03] not... Open-minded is the

[1:37:05] wrong word, but you can't

[1:37:06] rest on your assumptions about anything.

[1:37:09] Because one, you may miss something, but also like there's a real worth to challenging and analyzing any piece of media that you come across and you'll get more out of it that way.

[1:37:21] I mean whether at work or play than if you just kind of lay back and let the media wash over you and then react to it on just a sensory level.

[1:37:30] There's definitely movies that I've watched where I'm like, that's fine, and then I take a couple minutes to think about it.

[1:37:37] And I may not like the movie as much or I may have more complicated feelings about it, but I get a certain amount of, like, pleasure and satisfaction from knowing that I'm engaging with it at a deeper level than just, okay, take it or leave it, whatever.

[1:37:50] That's okay.

[1:37:51] Moving on.

[1:37:51] Like that kind of thing.

[1:37:52] And I don't know that I necessarily added anything to Hallie's answer, but I certainly said something.

[1:37:56] And you said the last thing.

[1:37:59] It certainly helped me put my stamp on everybody's responses, and therefore I'm now the author and owner of that segment.

[1:38:05] So good job, Hallie.

[1:38:06] Thank you.

[1:38:07] oh god uh you know what happens next guys uh the next part is where we recommend movies

[1:38:15] that you could watch let's say maybe in addition to uh last christmas which or if you don't want

[1:38:21] to you don't have to watch last christmas i'm not gonna i'm not gonna tell you don't watch it i'm

[1:38:25] just saying you don't have to watch it yeah you know you make the call on this one i mean

[1:38:30] why do we have to tell you all the time i'd be like run don't walk to last christmas if last

[1:38:36] christmas is the type of movie you enjoy watching yeah yeah that's good so uh movie recommendations

[1:38:42] i'm just uh seeing whether i i recommended something before so i'm sorry for doing that

[1:38:48] on air you probably recommended something before you've recommended lots of things i think unless

[1:38:51] those are implanted memories from the weapon name one name one thing that i joysticks i think you

[1:38:57] recommended joysticks once yeah well i've got a similar recommendation to joysticks uh now and

[1:39:03] That is moving violations.

[1:39:05] Hey, I don't know whether it qualifies as a recommendation if it's a movie that we've actually done for the podcast before.

[1:39:13] I don't know what the rules are on that.

[1:39:14] I looked at the rule book.

[1:39:15] I don't think there is a rule against it.

[1:39:17] But, you know, the only rule in the Flophouse rule book says no dogs can play major sports.

[1:39:23] That's weird.

[1:39:24] Did you check the appendices?

[1:39:28] It might list the rule there in the appendix.

[1:39:30] Well, I'm breaking the rule if it exists.

[1:39:33] Um, I don't know if you guys heard this.

[1:39:35] We're in the middle of a pandemic and I don't know about you guys, but, uh, I don't like

[1:39:40] it.

[1:39:40] I'm going to say I'm not a big fan.

[1:39:42] Don't care for it.

[1:39:43] Making me feel bad.

[1:39:44] So sometimes when you feel bad, you just have to watch Tango and Cash.

[1:39:48] So my recommendation this week is Tango and Cash with Kurt Russell and Sylvester Sly Stallone.

[1:39:57] Tango and Cash.

[1:39:58] Oh, okay.

[1:39:59] Uh, do you need to qualify that recommendation at all?

[1:40:02] No, no, no.

[1:40:03] Well, I mean, it's a dumb movie.

[1:40:04] How about that for a qualification?

[1:40:06] Jack Palance is in it.

[1:40:08] Jack Palance is great.

[1:40:09] Great to see him.

[1:40:10] Love it.

[1:40:11] So, Dan, would you – so you didn't like that I was trying to brand this as the Dan-demic?

[1:40:16] I was really trying to make this kind of like Dan's pandemic.

[1:40:20] I didn't care for – yeah, no.

[1:40:22] Yeah, the name – the damage to my brand is what I was worried about.

[1:40:26] So you didn't like those radio ads that I took out that were like, this year, make it a Dan-demic.

[1:40:31] No.

[1:40:33] didn't elliot do you have a recommendation uh so here's the thing dan and you're mentioning uh

[1:40:40] tango and cash has really uh put me in a quandary and i'll tell you why no not because i was going

[1:40:47] to recommend tango and cash i mean come on guys come on um because i have been going back and

[1:40:53] forth for a while now on whether or not to recommend the movie runaway train directed by

[1:40:58] andre konchalovsky the same director who direct i probably pronounced his name wrong who also

[1:41:02] directed tango and cash uh mainly because it stars john voight who is uh is you know a real

[1:41:09] problematic individual uh in that he is a super trump supporter says a lot of terrible things

[1:41:14] really seems to have gone around the bend this is no longer the adorable john voight of baby

[1:41:19] geniuses this is the uh this is so i've been wanting to but i watched that movie recently

[1:41:23] and it's a really really like like it's a really good like intense super intense movie and it

[1:41:30] It stars Jon Voight and Eric Roberts who are both very problematic people in different ways.

[1:41:34] But it's kind of like if Tango and Cash was a good movie, it would be Runaway Train where it's like these two prisoners who escape from prison and get onto a train not knowing that this train is about to become – wait for it – a runaway train.

[1:41:52] But I've been torn about whether to recommend it or not because the main actor I so do not – the main actors I so do not support in any way, shape, or form.

[1:42:00] So that's kind of like an unofficial – that's an unofficial recommendation is Runaway Train.

[1:42:05] You're having your cake and eating it too. All right. Moving on.

[1:42:07] I'm going to have that cake. I'm going to eat it. I'm going to throw it up because I feel bad about having it and eating it.

[1:42:12] So instead I was inspired by this movie, Last Christmas, a movie, a winter story involving a ghost who helps a young woman.

[1:42:21] It made me think of a movie called Curse of the Cat People from 1944.

[1:42:25] This is the somewhat sequel to the movie Cat People in which they said, you know, the first movie was about a woman who turns into a cat when she gets too kind of like aggravated or emotional or turned on.

[1:42:36] We're going to do a movie about a family where the daughter kind of – either a ghost or an imaginary friend becomes friends with that Catwoman from the first movie and needs her to get her through a very dysfunctional period in her family life.

[1:42:54] And so it's a movie that's kind of a strange movie because it's in some ways a ghost movie, but maybe it's not a ghost movie.

[1:43:00] But it's a very like slightly melodramatic but fairly sensitively done story of the tension between a little girl and the other members of her family and kind of how she needs to escape into this relationship with a woman who may not exist or may exist to get through it.

[1:43:18] And so instead I'll recommend The Curse of the Cat People.

[1:43:21] But if you're one of those people who can separate your feelings about a real person from their work, sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not, then you might as well go watch Runaway Train.

[1:43:29] Stuart, have you gone?

[1:43:32] Sorry.

[1:43:33] No, Dan, I have not gone.

[1:43:36] I guess it's my turn.

[1:43:40] Wow.

[1:43:41] I don't know what the anger's about, but.

[1:43:44] Oh, now I'm angry.

[1:43:46] Interesting.

[1:43:47] Okay.

[1:43:48] What?

[1:43:50] I'm going to recommend a movie called Swallow.

[1:43:53] It is a kind of a drama thriller movie with some horror elements.

[1:43:59] It is about a young woman who is recently married and becomes pregnant.

[1:44:06] And for all intents and purposes, it seems like she has this perfect life, a beautiful house, a handsome husband who has a good job, but he's never around.

[1:44:17] Um, and she begins, uh, uh, she, she begins ingesting inanimate objects of, uh, of increasingly

[1:44:27] dangerous varieties.

[1:44:28] Um, and I am assuming the makers of the movie have done some research into Pika.

[1:44:35] Uh, I don't know very much about it, so I don't know how accurate it is, but, uh, it's,

[1:44:42] for me it was an interesting uh story about control and uh it portrayed addiction in ways

[1:44:49] that felt very real and scary and just you know uh i don't know i i thought it was i thought it

[1:44:57] was pretty compelling so wallow uh just to update everyone hallie's now in a closet she appears to

[1:45:04] be in a closet with some uh like there's some shoes behind her maybe um some bags anyway um

[1:45:12] so fully half of the fully half of the people on this podcast right now are recording from

[1:45:17] closets yeah oh wow uh let's um let's get some fast math elliot let's get you guys out of there

[1:45:24] and uh i'm a little bit of a mathemagician knowing that two is half of four let's let

[1:45:30] Hallie recommend

[1:45:31] her movie so you can both get out of those tiny

[1:45:34] rooms

[1:45:34] oh yeah I was going to recommend

[1:45:37] I don't know if anyone has recommended it before

[1:45:40] it seems like it would have been

[1:45:41] more timely

[1:45:42] months ago but

[1:45:45] has anyone recommended Memories of

[1:45:48] Murder on this show

[1:45:49] not in a little while I think a while

[1:45:52] back but not recently

[1:45:53] well that's a recommendation

[1:45:55] so I recommend yeah it's a

[1:45:58] Bong Joon Ho

[1:45:59] uh earlier earlier movie by him it's sort of a loosely based on like the first

[1:46:07] um serial killer in south korea and it was really fucking good i didn't uh know what to expect but

[1:46:17] it's like very interesting it's sort of about this like moment in korea where they're transitioning

[1:46:22] from like an older society to a more modernized society and that's reflected in the way they

[1:46:28] pursue this crime and it's real fucked up and real interesting yeah how they gotta say your audio got

[1:46:36] like you know like it's got this like much more intimate quality now that you're in the closet

[1:46:40] in there yeah um and if anyone's wondering if memories of murder has song kang ho in it

[1:46:48] you better believe it does he's he's great what a star that guy okay guys uh we've tortured you

[1:46:55] all long enough um let's uh sign off for this um do you mean you've tortured us or the listeners

[1:47:01] uh i was thinking about you initially but then i was like you know what i'm gonna leave the

[1:47:07] ambiguity because it applies equally uh to all participants but it could be a ghost or a metaphor

[1:47:13] yeah that's up to you to decide thanks to all who donated in this past max fun drive which just

[1:47:19] came to a close recently uh thank you to our network maximum fun for providing us with support

[1:47:25] all that stuff go check out the other podcast there hallie is there anything that you uh want

[1:47:32] to plug or anything you want to say or thank you uh for coming first of all thank you for being on

[1:47:38] the show i'm doing this uh very uh intense performance uh the only thing i have on my

[1:47:46] schedule is the uh boy next door all right well we'll promote the boy next door um thanks to

[1:47:54] everyone thanks for listening uh for the flop house i've been dan mccoy i've been steward

[1:48:01] wellington i'm elliot calen and i've been hallie hagland bye everyone very intense so intense

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Ep. #320 - Last Christmas, w/ Hallie Haglund

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