Ep. #326 - Uninvited, with Gillian Flynn

[0:00] On this episode of the Flophouse, we discuss Uninvited, another Shocktober platter of splatter for all you sicko freaks!

[0:30] Hey everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:45] Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:47] I'm Elliot Kalin. Really revved up that time. Didn't expect it.

[0:52] And with us today, we have a very exciting guest.

[0:58] You know her from writing the books Sharp Objects, Dark Places, Gone Girl, and also adapting, I would say, the good versions of those.

[1:08] You know her from Utopia, her new show on Amazon.

[1:13] It's Gillian Flynn is here.

[1:15] Hello.

[1:16] Thank you for having me.

[1:18] Hey, Gillian.

[1:20] Thanks so much.

[1:20] What?

[1:21] Huh?

[1:22] I was just saying, hey, Gillian.

[1:23] I'm very excited that you're here.

[1:25] Hey, Elliot, and I was like, I know, Stu, you know I'm here.

[1:29] He said, hey, Gillian, not hey, Elliot, so I apologize.

[1:31] I just want to take, I think Dan deserves a little victory lap,

[1:35] because that was a pretty good introduction there, buddy.

[1:37] Thank you.

[1:38] Certainly the best one we've done.

[1:40] Elliot berated me for, he's like, do it professional this time,

[1:44] and I don't want to point fingers at Elliot,

[1:47] but sometimes I have a professional introduction,

[1:51] and Elliot is the third person who gets introduced before the guest,

[1:55] And he goes off in a long flight of fancy that confuses and dismays me.

[2:00] You don't have to join the flight of fancy.

[2:02] You can just let the plane take off and wait for it to land, and then you can introduce the guest.

[2:07] Dan, I always remind you just because of our Notorious Joe Bob Briggs episode, where you left the guest flailing, not knowing whether he should start talking or if he was even there.

[2:17] That was the episode where we discussed the Duran Duran song Notorious, right?

[2:21] Yeah, exactly.

[2:22] That was our Notorious episode.

[2:25] Yeah, I would just like to remind our guests that she should feel free to interrupt any of us at any time because we tend to talk too much.

[2:35] I would also like to say that you may also know me if you lived in Kansas City, Missouri in 1987 for dressing as a tuxedoed frozen yogurt and handing out yogurt samples.

[2:51] So that's just another bit of my work that I'd like to get in there.

[2:55] And 1987 also happens to be the year of the movie we're discussing.

[3:00] Oh, what a segue.

[3:03] Already more professional than us.

[3:05] You're welcome.

[3:06] You're welcome.

[3:07] Now, not to get us off on a tangent, but what kind of yogurt place puts their yogurt in tuxedos?

[3:12] Fancy one.

[3:14] A very fancy, super fancy black tie yogurt place.

[3:19] TCMFY, the country's most formal yogurt?

[3:21] It was the really long, oh yeah, it was the one with the really long name.

[3:25] The country's best frozen yogurt, or yeah, T-C-B-I-Y, I think.

[3:29] Now, you wrote a thing for The New Yorker about this, I believe.

[3:33] And I would like to ask...

[3:35] About frozen yogurt?

[3:36] Well, about wearing the costume, I think it was mostly...

[3:40] One of those, like, what was your worst job, or like your craziest job?

[3:44] Now, how does one get The New Yorker to actually publish what you send to them?

[3:49] Do you have to be a best-selling writer?

[3:51] Because I haven't done that part yet.

[3:53] If you have a previously crazy job, I think I was just part of the previously crazy job series.

[4:01] Between that and my work, consistent work through high school and college as a ham display girl at Honey Baked Ham.

[4:12] In which case I would take, you know, because customers get crazy about the spiral on the ham.

[4:19] And so they want you to unwrap it so they can make sure the spiral looks spiraled and then rewrap it.

[4:25] They don't like that one.

[4:26] Can I see a different spiral?

[4:27] So I always went through the holiday seasons with my fingers just absolutely just duct wrapped, duct tape wrapped in bandages.

[4:37] There's a chapter in Uzumaki about spirals on hams, right?

[4:42] I would love it.

[4:48] In Uzumaki, they wander into a

[4:50] grocery store, and they're

[4:52] just horrified by the spiral cut

[4:54] hams. Everywhere.

[4:56] Spirals everywhere, even our beloved hams.

[4:58] Why?

[5:00] They open up an issue of

[5:03] X-Force, where I guess Mojo

[5:06] is in it. They're like, spiral? Why is spiral in this?

[5:08] Oh, no. That's an excellent joke for the listeners.

[5:10] Taste better

[5:12] spiral. That's our motto around here.

[5:14] I guess the spiral

[5:16] cutting unlocks the flavor

[5:18] juices that would otherwise be kept inside if they were uh cut in a less uh snail shelly way

[5:24] i don't know ham science but it also involves the great children's game where you can kind

[5:29] of bounce it down the stairs like a slinky is there there was a commercial for those hams where

[5:35] the a guy put a ball bearing on the spiral and it rolled all the way around the ham a couple times

[5:39] i think you're thinking of luxury cars too oh okay yeah now gillian i i uh yeah let's

[5:50] segue into the movie you uh chose this one it's called uninvited it's from 1987 i believe it was

[5:57] straight to vhs uh that's what i found in my research i didn't see anything about a theatrical

[6:05] release i think it could be wrong i think it was a straight to video movie uh this was written and

[6:09] directed by graydon clark who uh mystery science theater viewers will know from a number of

[6:15] movies and dan will know from the classic boobs and video games hit joysticks number one at the

[6:20] box office the week it came out i was gonna say i looked it up yeah he directed joysticks one of my

[6:25] favorite uh teen sex comedies that was one of these movies that uh is about video games in such

[6:32] away that it's clear that they thought video games were going to be a fad that they needed

[6:35] to jump onto and likewise he also directed the forbidden dance about the lombada that's the one

[6:42] of two movies about the lombada this is the one with laura herring from mulholland drive in it

[6:47] as uh she's a i believe uh amazon princess who has come to america to uh stop the deforestation

[6:55] of the amazon and gets involved in a lombada contest yeah through dance uh i dan did i ever

[7:01] Did I tell you about the screening of Joysticks I went to where the hosts called Graydon Clark and they, over the phone, interviewed him?

[7:06] And he basically said, like, yeah, I went to the mall and I saw these kids lining up to play video games.

[7:12] And I was like, if we could get them to go see a movie, we'd be millionaires.

[7:14] So we made this movie.

[7:15] And they picked a weekend when nothing else was coming out, so they were number one at the box office nationwide.

[7:20] I mean, you can't argue with that.

[7:24] Clever.

[7:24] It's just good business sense.

[7:25] It is a fun, dumb movie.

[7:28] invited they didn't because it was direct-to-video they did not have that although the titles right

[7:32] off the bat tell you this is an amazing movies production which is promising a lot now gillian

[7:38] you're an aficionado of both bad movies and uh horror movies i have learned in our very brief

[7:44] conversations i i make it out like we've known each other for years uh uh why did you choose

[7:50] this one i chose this one i love 80s horror movies in particular um they're just they're

[7:58] kind of what i grew up on they remind me of you know sneaking at home with my friends who

[8:03] had the luxury of cable which we did not um and just watching like all those uh just all those

[8:10] crazy movies or in kansas city we grew up with friday fright night that was our particular

[8:14] brand of the local

[8:17] scare movie night with a host

[8:19] with a cat named Caffeena

[8:20] who I loved.

[8:23] And so I just like,

[8:25] you know, it has all the great kind of

[8:27] 80s movie

[8:28] staples. Like it has,

[8:30] don't you like, I love the

[8:33] opening music for

[8:35] it. Like it just sort of sets you,

[8:37] it's like, okay, you're doing a little

[8:38] John Carpenter hair,

[8:40] but also Columbo.

[8:42] And

[8:44] And, you know, it has a lot of 80s dancing and music on yachts and the classic 80s characters that you can, you know, like, oh, it's the nerd.

[8:54] It's the rich douche.

[8:55] It's the girl who will get killed and the girl won't.

[8:59] And all of which we should discuss, get very confused later on about who is playing what.

[9:04] Like the guy dressed like the nerd is not the nerd.

[9:07] I would like, I really want to, I think it's important we get into that.

[9:11] And it also has my other favorite, which is people falling into water.

[9:15] Another 80s staple.

[9:17] Or being tossed.

[9:18] Toss, fall, dive, never resurfacing.

[9:23] Since you mentioned the music, I just want to say I looked up the composer,

[9:27] and the composer for this did 210 episodes of America's Funniest Home Videos.

[9:34] Are you sure it's not just that he wrote the theme song?

[9:39] Who knows?

[9:41] I don't know that they had separate scores for every episode.

[9:45] I think they had, like, a little underscoring, though, while, like, the Boeing sound effects and stuff.

[9:49] Oh, see, so here's the guy who wrote, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

[9:51] Yeah, he was in the booth.

[9:53] While Bob Saget was like, oh, what's this over here?

[9:54] I hope it won't hit me in the nuts.

[9:55] Oh!

[9:56] Like this.

[9:57] Okay, well, I—

[10:02] What a Sisyphean wish that you won't get hit in the nuts in a video on America's Funneling Zone video.

[10:07] But the thing is, if the videos were that funny, they would not have needed Bob Saget to then voice the characters in the videos, right?

[10:13] I put that to you.

[10:14] I'm throwing down the gauntlet, America's Funniest Home Videos.

[10:17] Well, unfortunately for our guests, I'm in the driver's seat for the synopsis this time.

[10:24] And so bear with that, along with the 20 minutes of Skype problems we had before this episode.

[10:32] But let's just start off with the tale of Uninvited, which we come in.

[10:39] There's some doctors who are giving a cat experimental treatments of some kind.

[10:43] Now, one of these doctors is the director, Graydon Clark, named here.

[10:47] And this is a very good, I just got to get this out of the way up front.

[10:52] This is a very good cat actor, right?

[10:54] He's great.

[10:55] He's fluffy.

[10:56] He's very fluffy.

[10:57] I wouldn't say, I mean, cat actors are notoriously difficult.

[11:02] And I would say you have to add a plural to that, because they clearly went through at least 600 cats during the filming of Uninvited.

[11:10] They sometimes look entirely different, in addition to the cat puppets that we'll get into.

[11:17] The cat seems to, by going into the ocean at the end of the movie, spoiler alert, the cat changes color miraculously.

[11:23] Yeah, we'll definitely get to that.

[11:27] But yeah, doctors are experimenting on this cat, and it escapes out the door.

[11:33] Everyone panics, and they try and hit it with a tranquilizer dart to no avail,

[11:39] and a tinier, uglier cat comes out of the cat's mouth and kills the security guards in the stairwell,

[11:47] and buckets of blood just splatter on the wall in a way that I have no idea what injury this cat is doing to just spray blood everywhere.

[11:56] Also, I don't know what this experiment is in creating a smaller cat that comes out of a cat.

[12:01] Clearly, they were doing experiments to see if you could solve Alzheimer's by putting a tiny person inside of a regular person's mouth.

[12:09] And when you forgot something, the tiny person would go, hey, that's your daughter or something like that.

[12:14] And it just like remind you they start out with cats and it didn't work out clearly.

[12:19] I thought I thought it was possibly like an earlier form of the turducken.

[12:24] like they were sort of like someday this could be huge the scientific breakthrough is realizing

[12:30] they should stuff the animals after they were already dead rather than trying to breed them

[12:34] inside each other's throats people love cats wouldn't they love two cats inside of one cat

[12:40] now let's do three cats they're like we've got to get pocket cats on the market by christmas

[12:45] this is the this is the thing all the kids are gonna want now i'm glad that we're getting getting

[12:50] it out of the way right up front that we're talking about the fact there's a smaller cat

[12:53] inside the original cat but that the smaller cat which is the one doing all the trouble

[12:58] kind of looks like if you asked a child like it was designed by a child who's like i'm gonna make

[13:04] the muscliest cat like it looks like a beefy little wrestling buddy of a cat it's really awesome

[13:10] and it seems to be smiling like i i like it so it's like like i'm here like kind of jazz hands

[13:18] almost like the little the little demon cat that pops out of his mouth thinks that people are

[13:22] gonna love this like that it's just having a great time he sees the merchandising opportunities

[13:30] already in a way it's kind of it's kind of like a horror version of michigan j frog like when the

[13:35] wrong when most people are like oh it's just a cat but when you look at it a demon pops out and

[13:39] it's like hello i also i mean like i i'm not totally sure of the nature of this uh mutant cat

[13:46] because early in the movie it kind of seems like like a smaller cat just pops out of the mouth like

[13:52] you know the second uh mouth in an alien but uh then later on it seems like the mutant uh monster

[13:59] can move independently of the cat like it can come fully out of the cat which makes me wonder

[14:04] what happens like that is the cat normal then once that mutant leaves it or is it just like a skin

[14:11] suit that the yeah is it just like he's wearing the mythology of the cat mutant puppet situation

[14:19] is is it's many and varied i think you know because sometimes it comes out and it becomes

[14:25] larger it seems like it turns kind of puma size sometimes it looks like a seal sometimes they

[14:31] give it a little hair gel sometimes it looks scraggly and you can see if all the dust mites

[14:36] coming out of someone's old childhood beloved stuffed animal so it is there's a lot happening

[14:42] with uh well yeah that's the hilarious thing is like not only is obviously the mutant cat a puppet

[14:48] but the supposedly real cat also has to be a puppet

[14:53] because I don't know if you guys know

[14:54] that you can't have a puppet cat come out of a real cat.

[14:57] They did the old classic thing

[14:59] of a larger than normal cat head puppet

[15:02] that the then small cat comes out of

[15:05] and that large cat puppet,

[15:07] I think they just run out of caring how it's lit.

[15:10] So by the end of the movie, it just looks like a goofy,

[15:12] it looks like the baby from Dinosaurs.

[15:14] It just looks like a cartoon character.

[15:15] You got it at a carnival or something.

[15:17] yeah it's got a bit it has that big grin it's like you know a cheshire cat or some cat that

[15:23] is playing a fiddle or something yeah so uh dan we also get uh during the sequence they're chasing

[15:29] through a parking garage and we get a little bit of cat-o-vision where the camera is low on the

[15:33] ground and it gets to run around like you are the cat which is like jaws yeah you feel so powerful

[15:39] when you're when you're the cat for a moment right yeah yeah and you know when they the ultimate

[15:44] made me think wish that there was a uh a friday the 13th parody where jason is a cat and instead

[15:51] of the music going it goes like that so similarly guys similarly it's the halloween movies instead

[16:01] of michael myers it's a cat and the music goes okay let me think of some other horror movies

[16:09] with specific musical stings

[16:10] so I can turn them

[16:11] into cat sounds.

[16:12] I mean,

[16:13] there's kind of the...

[16:14] Okay, it's Psycho.

[16:15] Instead of Norman Bates,

[16:16] it's Norman Cats.

[16:17] He runs the Bates Catel.

[16:19] It's a cat hotel.

[16:20] There's a cat taking a shower,

[16:22] which is weird

[16:22] because cats don't

[16:23] usually like showers.

[16:25] And Norman Bates

[16:26] comes in a taxi

[16:26] and goes,

[16:26] meow, meow, meow,

[16:28] meow, meow, meow,

[16:29] meow, meow.

[16:30] Meow, meow.

[16:31] Okay, what's the other one?

[16:33] Okay, guys, wait.

[16:34] Hold on.

[16:34] No, we don't have...

[16:36] Okay, it's Jaws.

[16:38] like you mentioned before but it's a cat now cats also have jaws so we just call it jaws that's fine

[16:43] because cats have jaws too and uh that was like meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow

[16:50] meow meow meow meow meow okay let me think of another one hold on we're not doing this anymore

[16:55] uh so uh the security guards are all dead so the doctors themselves are running around this

[17:02] um parking garage with guns trying to shoot this cat they all get killed the doctor takes a gun

[17:07] from a security guard and then that security guard gets killed and it's like we gotta come on doctor

[17:12] the cat escapes uh we cut to there are a couple of young female spring breakers uh they're wearing

[17:20] shirts that have big slits cut out of them over bikinis and they are attempting to check into a

[17:27] hotel but they're being turned away until walter an important seeming uh sort of sleazy guy with a

[17:34] mustache steps in and says oh they're with me he gives such a strong first impression that his

[17:42] character reveal over time is shocking for me like at first he seemed like you know like he seemed

[17:49] like the most interesting man in the world and then he quickly devolves into like like a simpering

[17:54] weirdo i feel like he was trying to jam every villain that he'd ever seen in a movie like he

[18:02] was like this is my one shot because at first he's kind of like i'm a forbesian business dick

[18:09] like then he's that he's sort of you know maybe but maybe i'm in the mafia then he's like but i

[18:15] could be a chilling sociopath with clever one-liners and then by the end he's just devolved

[18:21] into uh someone who has a lot of after dinner bananas rather than the cocktails it was it was

[18:30] Seeing him eat a banana at a party was something that I was not expecting when this character was first introduced as a captain of industry.

[18:36] It felt like it was one of those things where actors are like, this is a brave choice.

[18:40] I'm doing something here.

[18:43] I'm doing, you know, bear with me.

[18:44] It's a thing.

[18:45] It's like, Graydon, I've got to do something with my hands in this scene.

[18:48] Just hand me that banana.

[18:49] Really?

[18:49] Because you're supposed to be like a billionaire.

[18:51] Just give me that banana.

[18:52] Billionaires like bananas, right?

[18:53] You could have a martini, sir.

[18:54] Wouldn't that be banana?

[18:56] Put the banana in the martini.

[18:59] No.

[19:00] now dan these just confuse the audience we should mention these are these two sisters bonnie and

[19:05] suzanne and bonnie is the party girl and suzanne is the uh emotionally unstable prone to hysterics

[19:11] as the movie goes on girl well yeah only as the movie goes on early on my notes are a little fuzzy

[19:17] on them and the guys who are about to show up because uh the the two lead women and the two

[19:25] lead guys i mean not ultimately the leads but like the ones that we we are introduced to first

[19:29] seem sort of interchangeable at first and then over the course of time they they they come into

[19:35] focus i would say yes about the girls not about the boys when we get to them i'll tell you my

[19:39] my theory about them okay well anyway uh so george with the girls don't you start out going like

[19:45] okay which one of you is the good girl who gets to live and which is the bad girl that's gonna die

[19:50] exactly and you're kind of like i don't know you're both only wearing bikinis wherever you go

[19:56] yes their fashion choices were so bold that i wasn't really thinking too much i was like man

[20:01] could i pull that off maybe can i can i go they both seem like perfectly nice they're like very

[20:08] like party spring breaker types but they're not like i mean other than other than like

[20:14] just leaping onto the chance to go to like a yacht uh which is fine yolo dude yeah come on i mean

[20:23] they're very comfortable leading on a mustachioed millionaire which is always a bad idea but uh

[20:28] they are i wish i had the confidence they have to sit in the fancy restaurant of a hotel

[20:33] where showing off their hip bones like i don't think i could do that they're having dinner and

[20:38] uh walter's two subordinates show up they're kind of uh you know like his muscle it seems like

[20:45] they're menacing uh one of the older gentlemen yeah but they're tough like one of them is george

[20:52] kennedy who uh is an interesting fellow because you know he he won the oscar for cool hand luke

[20:59] uh and you know later in his career he was in you know police police squad the naked gun movies

[21:04] but he did have this lull in the middle where he would just appear in whatever and uh the other one

[21:10] is clue guliger who's in my favorite zombie movie return of the living dead and here he is acting

[21:16] with giant fake teeth which is a choice i do not understand it is he is such he is such a cartoon

[21:23] character in this movie and you have and i have to assume he was like this is garbage i'm gonna

[21:28] just do whatever i want and so he's like he's like a character out of like um uh of like green

[21:35] acres or something like that you know suddenly showing up yes he's like earnest before there

[21:39] was earnest or maybe at the same time there was earnest i'm not sure yeah do you think he would

[21:45] go to parties and be like i was earnest before clue glitter is like jim varney and i were

[21:52] workshopping characters at the same regional theater and suddenly he's making movies and

[21:57] my character albert barely shows up anywhere this is bullshit you know um yeah but uh george

[22:03] kennedy is clearly annoyed to see walter uh you know tearing with these young ladies he's got a

[22:10] meeting so they go to this business meeting it turns out so walter's this big wall street guy

[22:15] wait wait before they go to the meeting what does he do to the girls oh uh he invites them uh to his

[22:21] yacht he invites them to the yacht beginning the theme that i think dan and i will have some

[22:26] disagreement on no one in this movie is uninvited every character receives an invitation at some

[22:32] point when we'll we'll get to it we'll get to it but as you'll see the movie uninvited has a

[22:36] distinct lack of uninvited guests but they go to the yacht dan tell me about this meeting uh they

[22:41] go to this meeting uh walter is this wall street uh hot shot but the sec is closing in on him he

[22:48] is a fraudster of some kind i'm not really clear on what's going on with this guy he's meeting so

[22:54] this guy daryl i think he knows something that could get them in trouble yeah and so they they

[23:00] are going to try to bribe him and they barely wait for his answer before they just drown him

[23:04] in the jacuzzi and one thing that was funny was they're clearly saying scc which makes sense the

[23:08] security and exchange commission but the captions on amazon prime say fcc the federal communications

[23:14] commission and i was like what what's the fcc gonna do to him that's that bad like does he own

[23:18] two tv stations in the same market like what's the problem yeah walter revealed his nipple at

[23:24] the super bowl and they're gonna find him yeah and it's not even his fault like the other guys

[23:29] It's involved just as bad.

[23:31] It's fucked up.

[23:31] He's like, why did I say fuck on Saturday Night Live?

[23:34] That was a mistake.

[23:35] Now I've got to run for my life.

[23:36] Yeah.

[23:38] So as you say, Clue kills this dude by drowning him in a hot tub.

[23:43] Falling into water, check, and double check.

[23:47] What I like about it is it's easy to fall over a boat into water,

[23:52] but to fall into water on the boat, that takes guts.

[23:55] Very meta.

[23:58] First, they offer him three metal suitcases, each one containing a million bucks in cash, and those will come up later.

[24:04] I'm assuming they don't open them.

[24:06] It could be like, what's that, like, pick the case with the money game?

[24:10] What's that game show?

[24:11] Goldbricks?

[24:12] No.

[24:13] Make me a millionaire or, yeah, something.

[24:15] Steal my case?

[24:17] Steal my case.

[24:19] Yeah, it does feel like just rubbing it in that they're showing the money to him before killing him.

[24:25] Well, it's so funny because it's like, here's a case of a million dollars.

[24:28] Will this buy your silence?

[24:30] I don't know, guys.

[24:30] Well, here's a second case.

[24:32] How about if we kill you?

[24:34] Would that help?

[24:36] It'd be funny if while he's drowning, he's like, I didn't know this was an option.

[24:39] I'll take the cases.

[24:40] Yeah, yeah.

[24:41] While he's drowning, do you think he's like, I hope I don't get a bacteria infection.

[24:44] Jacuzzis are notoriously gross.

[24:47] How often do you have this filtered?

[24:49] Yeah.

[24:49] So we cut from this murder to-

[24:52] Oh, it's a deal or no deal is the briefcase show, right?

[24:54] Thank you.

[24:54] Very important

[24:57] Starring Howard Mandel

[24:58] We cut to a guy

[25:01] At a gas station

[25:03] Feeding the mutant cat some milk

[25:05] And this goes on for a long time

[25:07] He pets him for so long

[25:09] And I'm on board with this as a cat lover

[25:12] I'm like, this is fine

[25:12] Because one of the things about this movie is

[25:15] The cat, when it's not

[25:17] Spewing out its mutant spawn

[25:19] Is a very cute cat

[25:21] so like maybe not the best villain for your film i would i would argue uh but so i'm enjoying this

[25:28] cat enjoying its milk i mean i'm a little concerned because milk isn't necessarily good for cats it

[25:33] can lead to diarrhea and stuff yeah that is true i just i just what i was just like are we gonna

[25:38] find out this character's face who's petting this cat because it's shot in such a way that

[25:43] you don't know who it is and usually that means it's kind of a mysterious ominous character but

[25:48] In this case, it's literally just probably they had someone in an earlier scene and they didn't want to show his face because they didn't have a new actor for it.

[25:54] Just a guy and two other guys come and they beat him up and steal his truck.

[26:00] But the cat gets in the back of the truck and kills them, presumably, I guess, in retribution for beating up this guy who was giving them milk.

[26:08] And the truck falls down and banked it in slow motion for a very long time.

[26:12] Yeah, it's great.

[26:13] It's like the cat's first revenge killing.

[26:17] You've got to taste for it now.

[26:19] Yeah.

[26:19] And this scene is...

[26:22] Yeah, he's trying to win back the audience's good graces at this point.

[26:24] Because at first he just killed a bunch of...

[26:26] He killed an unarmed security guard, like, peeled his face right off.

[26:29] It was horrible.

[26:29] But now he's got to kill these two jerks.

[26:31] Now he's a vigilante.

[26:32] It's the classic save the cats, you know, thing in screenwriting.

[26:36] But it's the cat saving the cat with the cats.

[26:39] Yeah, exactly.

[26:39] Yeah, you get a cat in a truck, you throw rocks at the truck,

[26:43] and then the truck falls down a hill.

[26:45] I mean, early in this movie,

[26:47] The cat is only killing bad people, I've got to say.

[26:49] I mean, the workers at the lab might disagree with that.

[26:53] Sure, they're doing ethical questioning on him.

[26:56] They were mutating him.

[26:57] The security guards, too.

[26:59] It's like a Michael Moore cat who's like, I hate this evil corporation, so I'm going to bother a security guard all day.

[27:04] And it's like, he's not the problem, Michael Moore.

[27:06] Like, come on, Michael Moore cat.

[27:09] I would like to point out that the cat in this first revenge killing and then one of its many metamorphoses has webbed feet.

[27:18] When he reaches out from behind the driver to attack him, he has webbed claw feet.

[27:25] And then so at that point, I was like, is it a platypus?

[27:28] Is it like what's it turning into?

[27:31] What's going to happen?

[27:32] I mean, maybe that was the experiment to see whether you could turn a cat into a platypus.

[27:36] And the side effect was it has a tiny little monster baby in its throat, and they didn't see that coming, you know?

[27:41] They're like, this isn't a cladipus.

[27:43] We have the name ready and everything.

[27:45] Yeah, so we cut to two dudes who are hanging out at the marina looking to pick up women.

[27:52] One of them is sort of a preppy guy, and one of them is wearing more like, I don't know, party dude shirts.

[27:58] You don't like a real Justin and Stu situation.

[28:00] So this is Corey and Lance, and they are so clearly some sort of universal, primordial Zack and Slater from Saved by the Bell.

[28:08] I was like, I've got to find out.

[28:10] It was like the world's collective unconscious was like, we need a Zack and Slater.

[28:15] And first it got to this movie, and it wasn't quite right.

[28:17] And then it finally got to Saved by the Bell.

[28:19] Because it's literally like preppy with a polo shirt, and his best friend is wearing neon sleeveless gym wear.

[28:25] Well, not yet, though.

[28:27] would like to point out again in the ongoing confusion of my 80s stereotypes the non-blonde

[28:35] preppy guy is at first dressed very similarly to the classic 80s nerd sidekick a ducky like type

[28:42] because he has the awkward hat yeah and he's got the hawaiian shirt he's kind of like and he's

[28:48] seasick he's like oh and then later it's revealed to be that he's a world-class wrestler um big

[28:56] Steward energy right there.

[28:57] And party girl starts making out with him immediately, despite the vomit.

[29:01] It's like the scene in The Believer when Ryan Gosling throws up and his girlfriend kisses him right afterwards to calm him down.

[29:09] And I was like, ew, gross.

[29:10] That's even grosser than his dabbling with anti-Semitism.

[29:13] So they're sitting around and there's, you know, jaunty sort of electric keyboard music playing.

[29:20] And our two spring breakers come join them.

[29:24] They're immediately attracted to them.

[29:26] Then their bearded friend, Hedgeworth, they call him.

[29:30] I guess that's his last name.

[29:31] What's his first name again?

[29:33] Mike.

[29:34] Mike Hedgeworth shows up.

[29:36] For the first half of the movie, they just call him Hedgeworth.

[29:38] Yeah.

[29:39] Because isn't George Kennedy's character Mike Kelly?

[29:42] To be honest, I never knew his name.

[29:46] Too many Mikes.

[29:46] For a long time, they were yelling Mike so often.

[29:49] They yell everyone's name in this movie a lot.

[29:51] And they're like, Mike, Mike.

[29:52] I thought Mike.

[29:53] I literally thought Mike was the cat.

[29:55] I was like, cool cat name.

[29:59] So Hedgeworth's there to say that there's no hotel for them in town.

[30:03] And they seem very annoyed that he has joined them, I guess, because the men-to-women ratio has now changed.

[30:11] But also they just kind of treat him like he's unbearable.

[30:14] And I'm like, he seems like a perfectly nice guy.

[30:17] I don't know why.

[30:18] He's very much supposed to be—I think he's supposed to—it's like when he shows up, he's supposed to be the nerd.

[30:23] And he bumps—that's when Lance is like—

[30:25] Like, oh, I'm not the nerd anymore.

[30:26] I guess I'm a jock now.

[30:27] Hey.

[30:28] Yeah.

[30:29] Forget about it.

[30:30] Totally.

[30:30] But he never, he's just like a, yeah, he's just a normal guy.

[30:34] If anything, it seems weird that he's hanging out with Lance and Corey because he doesn't

[30:39] seem to like any of the same things they do.

[30:41] Like, he's a PhD student, I think.

[30:43] Like, it doesn't make sense.

[30:44] Why are they friends?

[30:45] He seems to have a future.

[30:46] And I wanted to mention, Dan, that Corey is played by the actor Rob Estes, who is best

[30:54] known for silk stockings a show i refuse to admit or refuse to believe exists i think they just shot

[31:00] commercials to run on usa when i was a kid i mean i've definitely seen the opening credits for it i

[31:05] don't know about any of the actual uh show but i was a young girl in the 80s and i think i i can

[31:12] attest to the fact that there did exist a silk stockings and i probably watched every episode of

[31:18] it from my uh from so i believe it to be a show about people playing saxophone in wet alleys uh

[31:27] is that what you got it's about like a wet wet smoke field running around with a gun going like

[31:33] who's making that racket people are trying to sleep around here um so these women mentioned

[31:40] they're going to go on this yacht with walter and uh the preppier guy knows that walter's this huge

[31:46] wall street um uh guy and he's very excited and so the women invite the men along to the yacht

[31:54] interesting interesting the word you just used to describe what happened there dan i would call that

[31:59] exhibit b exhibit b for the prosecution walter's yacht is not their place to invite them they are

[32:05] uninvited it doesn't matter that they don't have the right to invite them as far as the boys are

[32:10] concerned they've been offered an invitation and they're going to take it they didn't say to the

[32:14] girls okay we'll take us to your yacht or we're gonna throw you overboard they didn't say hey

[32:19] where's the yacht because we're gonna sneak on later in the middle of the night when no one sees

[32:23] us they have been invited exhibit later but once they arrive at the yacht walter attempts to block

[32:29] them from being on the yacht so before ultimately offering them jobs that would require them to be

[32:36] on the yacht only because the sec is closing in i don't and dan but wait but then right after they

[32:41] invite the boys what happens then okay so um well they invite the well also one of the women uh

[32:49] like grabs one of their legs immediately like they're coming on hot right from the beginning

[32:54] yeah uh but they're on the way to the boat they find the cat inside of some kind of like equipment

[33:00] hold on the dock and i'm not sure how the cat got inside at this point i mean later on we see that

[33:04] the cat can claw through steel yeah super strength it can bite through george kennedy's shoes

[33:09] uh and one of the women decides to take the cat along to save it they see it has a medical like

[33:16] collar on and they feel bad for it and in this scene the cat does not want to be held by this

[33:21] woman no it's suzanne who has the cat and she says oh i'm going to take care of this cat it's

[33:27] coming with me which is kind of very kind of an invitation you could say the cat was definitely

[33:35] invited on this trip it may not have wanted to be invited possibly coerced but again

[33:42] walter doesn't like cats and yet he gives in hoping that suzanne will allow some part of

[33:51] his body to touch some part of her body he gives in and allows her to bring the cat he does turn

[33:55] into some kind of creepy thing i mean he's always kind of creepy from the beginning i don't know

[34:01] what you're talking about there's no way a millionaire with a mustache picks up two bikini

[34:05] girls and takes them to a fancy restaurant and it's not creepy i'm sorry it's not a charitable

[34:09] thing at the beginning he said no strings attached elliot he meant that their string bikinis won't

[34:14] be attached to them anymore yeah um okay well we get a scene of exposition here where uh we learn

[34:22] that walter has been such a dick to the whole crew that they've all quit and the captain is a young

[34:27] woman named rachel i i looked her up she is joyce heiser's best friend in just one of the guys

[34:33] um that's who she is yeah yeah she uh back at her like original uh school or where they they

[34:41] know that uh she's not uh dressed up for her as a man for her thing um and uh walter acts

[34:49] uh very sleazy towards her as he does every woman in the in the movie and the guys arrive

[34:56] And Walter is like, no, no, no, no, no.

[34:58] And the spring break ladies are like, hey, but you need a crew.

[35:02] And he also wants to get rid of the cat.

[35:03] But, you know, people are closing on him.

[35:06] So he offers a reluctant invitation to all of these people to stay on the case closed.

[35:13] And so they've got to get to the Cayman Islands right before the feds freeze their offshore bank account full of their ill-gotten gains.

[35:19] Yes, I think it was right around here.

[35:22] started uh my to keep my husband excited and involved and not leave me alone watching uninvited

[35:28] on a saturday night um i was like let's make it a fun game where we count how many times they

[35:33] mentioned getting to the caymans um because right now we're already about on four i think

[35:40] yeah we're gonna get to the cayman that's you know like when you're diagramming uh walter's

[35:48] character that's his his want is yeah yeah demons um so the young people are checking out the digs

[35:56] and they start dancing to nondescript pop music on the radio and the beard guy is dancing on his

[36:02] own that's a hedgworth he's dancing on his own he's just sort of pumping his fist back and forth

[36:07] like how elliot dances i mean at least more of like this but i dance deliberately like a baby

[36:13] would dance just bobbing up and down on my knees yeah yeah um and you also strip down into a diaper

[36:19] and do it right i mean if i'm gonna go the full way it's called the baby dance yeah of course

[36:24] well because i'll bring you back to a time when a little show called ali mcbeal was on the air

[36:29] and the nation became captivated by a computer generated dancing baby that ali mcbeal hallucinated

[36:36] or maybe it told her to kill i don't remember the show that well but people loved that dancing baby

[36:40] And I said, I want that kind of attention.

[36:43] And that's when the baby dance began.

[36:45] Now, let's fast forward to yesterday.

[36:48] My son is on Zoom attending his first grade class.

[36:52] And I decide, you know what would liven this class up?

[36:54] A little bit of the baby dance.

[36:56] I strip down to my diaper and I make sure I'm in the range of the Zoom camera.

[37:00] And that's why my son doesn't have a school right now.

[37:02] So if anyone knows of a first grade that is looking for students, I have a child who desperately needs an education.

[37:08] okay so uh george kennedy says he doesn't like punk kids and i am totally on his side at this

[37:15] point uh i mean you like punk kids though but you don't like these kids yes i don't like these kids

[37:21] but he signs them all duties uh one of them cook one one's gonna be a bus boy dishwasher one's

[37:26] gonna be a maid um the uh captain uh rachel is trying to teach clue how to drive the boat

[37:33] uh and he's overacting like crazy um and the guys are in the kitchen bitching about having to work

[37:41] for this free yacht trip that they were not invited on by the owner of the yacht we can

[37:46] stipulate that at least and but then the women come in to say how hot it is in the kitchen

[37:51] three times one time in unison i believe and they unbutton their shirts enough to show

[37:56] via their cleavage that there's nothing that they're wearing underneath there's no they're

[38:01] not wearing a wire but it is it is suggested several times that's dan mr skin mccoy giving

[38:07] us the full report uh i like at this point at this point you're like it's more just like

[38:15] having fun on a yacht type movie right it's barely a monster movie yeah it should be called

[38:19] yacht invited because they've been invited on a yacht uh and dan they start making out with the

[38:24] boys except for hedgworth the only one who is doing any actual work seems unfair he he is the

[38:30] unfuckable one at this point and like but also it seems like these uh our two lead spring breaker

[38:37] ladies have imprinted on like the first guys they saw like their baby ducks

[38:41] yeah but clue guliger is uh drunk at the wheel um and everyone else is dressed for dinner

[38:52] i would i'd like to add at this point is when clue says the infamous line this is for you

[39:00] tammy fay uh-huh which thereby reminding us that it's 1987 uh i missed this line what was for tammy

[39:12] fay i i even backed up to see if i could figure out what exactly was for tammy fay i had the teeth

[39:19] the booze the ship him so he was going he wanted to give her something yeah he he gave his character

[39:27] a little bit of inner life he wanted to bring him out on screen he's like if the other guy gets to

[39:32] have the after dinner banana yeah i get to drop my tammy faye reference um so all right everyone's

[39:40] having dinner and um this is where hedgworth is chatting with rachel the captain and they uh seem

[39:48] to be hitting it off maybe finally hedgworth has made a love connection but uh walter comes over

[39:54] to hassle Rachel

[39:56] he's like

[39:56] what are you seeing

[39:57] this guy

[39:57] who's like

[39:58] well maybe

[39:59] the fact that

[40:00] he's not a dick

[40:00] and he's age appropriate

[40:01] but everyone

[40:03] like is dancing

[40:04] around the music

[40:05] and the way

[40:06] that people do

[40:06] in movies

[40:06] when there's only

[40:07] like four people

[40:08] in a room

[40:08] which has never

[40:09] happened to me

[40:10] in life

[40:11] it's a very

[40:12] they dance

[40:13] extremely whitely

[40:14] and it makes me

[40:16] wonder if any music

[40:17] was playing

[40:17] when they were

[40:18] actually doing

[40:18] the dancing

[40:19] because it's just

[40:20] kind of like

[40:21] generic dance moves

[40:22] that you could

[40:23] just plug any

[40:23] any kind of soft rock song onto.

[40:25] I mean, I've never been on a movie set,

[40:28] but I'm pretty sure

[40:29] they play the music

[40:32] that's going to be in the movie

[40:33] so they can sync it up, right?

[40:34] I hate to rank it to you, Stu,

[40:38] but that's exactly right.

[40:39] That's exactly what they do.

[40:40] Klugeleger is still drinking.

[40:44] Now he's singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic

[40:47] for some reason.

[40:47] Rachel discovers him.

[40:50] How many hours of improv from Klugeleger

[40:52] At the tiller, do you think they have?

[40:54] I honestly think that the script just says Clue does something whenever he appears on screen.

[41:03] Which is not going to be for very much longer because she kicks him off the helm.

[41:08] He goes to his wine cooler, which in this case is a cooler full of wine and not the drink wine cooler.

[41:16] And once again, there's a cat inside a closed bin and comes out and kills Clue and there are shots of blood pumping from his neck.

[41:26] Well, I do like that we see the mini cat coming out of the mouth and Clue has the wherewithal, despite being very drunk and overactive, he smashes his bottle of wine to create a weapon.

[41:39] Too late, though.

[41:41] He gets blasted and then his neck starts pumping, right?

[41:45] That's why I smash my bottle ahead of time, just in case I'm going to get into some shit.

[41:50] And I was like, was he christening the yacht at that point?

[41:53] Because it feels a little late to be doing that.

[41:56] Dan, did you mention he was also spitting wine at the cat?

[41:59] That's why the cat ripped his neck off.

[42:02] Early on, the cat only attacks those who threaten the cat.

[42:07] We've always seen it.

[42:08] Right before this, the cat is walking around the engine room, and the engine revs, and it scares the cat.

[42:13] and the cat rips a cable out with its little demons.

[42:15] The cat is very reactive.

[42:16] It's just reacting to things.

[42:18] I have this later.

[42:22] It says, like, Walter, we see the cat in the engine room.

[42:26] The boat has stopped because the engine is overheating.

[42:28] And I'm like, did the cat sabotage the boat, apparently?

[42:31] That's actually what happened.

[42:32] That is what happened, but just because the cat was just reacting.

[42:35] The cat is a lot like the Iron Giant, I guess,

[42:41] We're like, if you attack it, it's going to attack you back.

[42:44] But if you don't attack it, it will hang out with you in a beatnik.

[42:47] Or me, Elliot.

[42:49] If I think someone's being mean, I lash out before thinking.

[42:52] I've been the brunt of that once.

[42:55] I just went to hand Dan a hairbrush, and he thought it was a gun, and he was strangling me.

[43:02] And I was like, Dan, Dan, I just wanted you to look your best.

[43:05] It was before a show.

[43:06] And then I died, and they had to replace me with a body double at the last minute.

[43:10] Do you guys remember that?

[43:10] It was crazy.

[43:11] I do.

[43:12] That was weird.

[43:13] And Dan, like, there's also times where, like, when you want attention, you really want attention.

[43:18] But when you don't want attention, you want to be left alone.

[43:20] Kind of like a cat, too.

[43:21] So you are kind of like a cat.

[43:23] I am very much like a cat.

[43:24] Dan, have you ever thought about legally changing your name from Dan McCoy to Dan McCat?

[43:28] I have now.

[43:30] Well, anyway, George Kennedy hears his compatriot, Clue Gulliger, fall overboard, and he goes to investigate.

[43:40] Falling into water, check, three.

[43:42] It was while watching this movie that Frank Lloyd Wright was inspired to create perhaps his masterwork, Falling Water.

[43:49] And he was like, what if the water fell rather than Clue Gulliger?

[43:54] I'll have to express this the only way I can.

[43:58] His first design, it looked like Clue Gulliger falling into water.

[44:00] It was originally called Falling Gulliger, yeah.

[44:03] And the people he was designing the house for were like, I don't want a house that looks like Clue Gulliger is falling over.

[44:10] frank what are you doing who is this they're like come on return of the living dead he was in a lot

[44:16] of westerns at one point come on he was a lot of tv when he was in mccue and they're like no forget

[44:21] it and and frank ludwright's like come on it'll look good it's me frankie lloyds come on i make

[44:26] any house look good $29.99 any house uh do you think there might be some like intellectual

[44:31] property issues by using this guy's likeness maybe we should change it to water instead

[44:35] and and he's like oh so you own the copyright for water okay you're the one who might get in

[44:39] trouble but we'll change it to falling water sure well anyway it's gonna be a lot less hilarious

[44:45] though yeah it's gonna be this is the same thing that happened when i designed the klugenheim

[44:50] and they made me change it to the guggenheim originally it was a spiral cut klugeliger

[44:54] kelly and i like that you're postulating that uh frank lloyd wright originally

[45:00] wanted to design buildings that were hilarious though yeah he was wacky no one knew that side

[45:05] of him um so george kennedy and walter like find the blood on the railing and they assume he just

[45:12] hit his head and fell overboard but they can't stop their escape which which is a very very uh

[45:20] realistic thing to believe like you could believe that clue googler's character albert

[45:24] got oh 100 i don't know i mean if if i was you know i'm just throwing this out there if i was

[45:31] if i was in the moment if i was their characters i would probably assume that he was attacked by

[45:37] a cat demon his blood got poisoned then he fell overboard i mean that is the second most

[45:42] believable thing that could have happened that is what your mind would go to pretty quickly i think

[45:47] because it seems like it's not just that he got attacked like his body is reacting crazy to the

[45:52] the wounds at first i'm like is that supposed to be like his artery pumping out blood but it's not

[45:57] really it's just his neck is throbbing all strange and then he falls overboard yeah yeah his his

[46:02] there's a lot of pulsating in the movie there's a lot of pulsating it's a pulsation heavy film

[46:09] and albert is our first introduction to that but now it's the next day dan and right they found

[46:13] albert's blood they've got bigger problems with the boat yeah uh well yeah they can't they rachel

[46:18] finds the can't find clues he's the blood uh walter dangles the chance of getting her boat back

[46:24] in return for just continuing to the caimans what i love about it used to be her dad's boat

[46:29] and what i love is that he's not like we'll just give you the boat back he's like i'll give it to

[46:33] you for a pretty good price in exchange for leaving this man in the sea uh but you know

[46:41] walter's like he can't swim he's dead already and she's like okay fine fine fine do you think

[46:45] behind the scenes behind the scenes somebody made the joke they're like oh all this this blood on

[46:50] the deck that's quite a clue get it clue oh my god i never thought about it and then they're like

[46:58] let's use that in the movie and they're like wait we can't it's just his actor's name it's not the

[47:02] character's name well maybe we could change the character's name to clue no we called him albert

[47:06] in all the previous scenes well we've got 20 different cats playing the same cat you're saying

[47:10] he can't have a middle name that's clue i don't yeah and we called one guy hedgworth and then we

[47:15] called him mike after a while i mean who cares yeah and the screenwriter was like that's it i'm

[47:19] off the set and that's why david mamet's name is not in the credits anymore and the two blonde

[47:23] women look exactly the same i've had lots of trouble keeping who was who until i think is

[47:31] it susan or suzanne when she starts to get crazier and like uh she has her like meltdown that's when

[47:37] i started to understand because her hair was like her hair got straight yeah it got straightened

[47:41] and sad it was a sad frightened hair it did have any fight left in it

[47:47] the hair just gave up the ghost at that at that point yeah this um the hair went permanent i don't

[47:54] think so they did help that suzanne mostly wears blue and rachel mostly wears kind of like pinkish

[48:01] red oh no rachel uh bonnie was kind of pinkish red so i didn't know their names for a lot of it

[48:05] so i was just like ah blue suit and red suit like they're video games i mean one of them has curly

[48:10] hair and one of them is straight. That's really the way

[48:12] you should discern these

[48:13] interchangeable characters, Elliot.

[48:15] Curly the stooge has no hair. What are you talking about?

[48:18] Oh, that's true.

[48:18] And Moe has a Moe haircut.

[48:21] Is that what it's called?

[48:23] No. When you go to the

[48:26] salon, that's what you ask for.

[48:27] Give me a Moe.

[48:29] That is what Moe hair suits are made

[48:34] out of. It's all hair from Moe.

[48:36] Moe Fine of the Three Stooges.

[48:37] No, Moe, what was his last name?

[48:39] mo howard thank you very fine matt mo howard's hair and there's a limited supply of that so at

[48:45] some point you will not be able to get mo hair suits anymore because they'll have run out of

[48:49] mo's hair it's like helium or uh or tungsten that way it's just a natural resource for running

[48:53] through very quickly yeah that was one of the things growing a little bit after death so they

[48:57] keep digging up well that was the thing ethan hawke was in uh first reformed he was watching

[49:04] sad videos of mo hair suits going away and that's what really made him flip you know that's what

[49:09] made him possibly commit a terrorist act yeah okay i've wanted to get along to this next scene

[49:13] for a while because this this scene is inexplicable to me this is one of these uh horror movie i'm

[49:18] gonna make a big like leap uh scenes because hedgworth comes in with some of albert's blood

[49:24] he's gotten off of the railing and he uses a sextant as a microphone or microphone microscope

[49:30] to examine it but that's for cartography dan a sextant uh i i guess you can use it as a microscope

[49:38] but i have no idea why he thinks he's gonna find anything what motivates him he is on that boat

[49:44] dan and he just wants an excuse to get close to that captain so he's like uh what do they have

[49:49] in the ship cabin uh a sextant oh and it means i get to say sex in front of her okay great done

[49:54] i'll and then she hands it to him he's like uh i gotta have a reason for why i'm holding this thing

[49:58] Give me a prism

[50:00] Well he finds out

[50:05] The blood cell count

[50:07] In Albert's blood is abnormally high

[50:09] Meanwhile

[50:11] Content warning for attempted sexual assault

[50:15] Walter comes in on Bobby

[50:17] Doing aerobics

[50:18] And first he tries to impress her by how rich she is

[50:21] Then he starts trying to fondle her

[50:23] And assault her

[50:25] But then one of the dudes

[50:27] Jumps him

[50:28] Lance

[50:29] Lance

[50:29] A.C. Slater

[50:30] George Kennedy

[50:31] shoots him

[50:32] in the shoulder

[50:33] but is stopped

[50:34] from killing him

[50:35] by the other guy

[50:36] and the cat puppet

[50:38] bites

[50:39] George Kennedy's

[50:40] Achilles tendon area

[50:41] and he

[50:42] shoots around

[50:43] the room wildly

[50:44] to try and get the cat

[50:45] which runs off

[50:46] yeah which like

[50:47] tears his ankle apart

[50:48] it's like

[50:49] like the end of

[50:50] Pet Sematary

[50:51] right

[50:51] where

[50:52] what's that little baby

[50:54] the dead baby

[50:55] gets that guy's ankle off

[50:57] or whatever

[50:57] oh yeah

[50:58] gage thank you uh and so his heart is racing like crazy like even more than you would

[51:06] if your achilles tendon was bitten off by a cat it's what george kennedy probably looks like when

[51:11] he goes up a flight of stairs and poor george kennedy because you feel for him at this point

[51:17] of his career because he's like god damn it i got an oscar and now i'm in a movie where people

[51:24] are throwing matted cat puppets at me and then he actually has to pretend to be dragged off screen

[51:33] for a little bit like the cat so you can see him kind of scooting across the floor like you got

[51:38] that you got a shot you got the shot there's a great where he just starts blasting around the

[51:43] room and he shoots a liquor bottle and then after the liquor liquor bottle explodes you see the cat

[51:48] puppet behind it and i'm like whoa he was actually i thought he was just shooting at liquor

[51:53] and they are they're all very amazed that the cat he's like it was the cat the cat and they're like

[51:59] there's no way a cat could tear through your shoe which is reasonable if anything that's the most

[52:04] believable thing that's been claimed the entire movie i don't believe walter graham is a millionaire

[52:08] really but i believe a cat could shoot through a shoe yeah did you see that thing it's all buff

[52:12] like it's all hulked out it looks like that the cat looks like that that meme of the regular dog

[52:20] and then the big muscly bigger brother dog yeah but uh that cat is so the regular cat is carrot

[52:28] top and the puppet inside his mouth is carrot top when he got super ripped yeah yeah now uh

[52:35] rachel wants to send out a mayday but walter takes the gun and shoots the radio insisting

[52:41] they still go to the caymans and presumably in uh in chicago uh gillian and her husband take a drink

[52:48] and we're we're wasted by now because i think that's like the 20th time they've gone to the

[52:56] caymans nothing's gonna stop me from getting to the caymans as oscar winner george kennedy said

[53:03] before being fake-dragged offscreen by a dust-bite-ribbit-rozen cat.

[53:09] By a cat puppet inside another cat puppet.

[53:12] Double puppet.

[53:13] But they manage to turn the tables on Walter, take the gun,

[53:16] but the engine will not start.

[53:18] And Hedgeworth informs everyone...

[53:21] We do, and the captain says the immortal line,

[53:24] I think it's in The Wild Bunch,

[53:25] if he moves, shoot his balls off.

[53:28] And that's how that scene ends.

[53:30] Hedgeworth tells everyone they're dealing with a mutant cat infection based on the blood he found.

[53:35] Again, a big leap.

[53:36] But they're like, oh, yeah, it's a lab cat.

[53:39] That makes sense.

[53:40] And something starts pressing out of George Kennedy's, like, sort of, like, chest-stomach area

[53:46] as if, like, an alien's going to pop out, but nothing pops out.

[53:48] He just dies.

[53:49] And then there's a...

[53:50] Strangely, whenever they start being infected from now on,

[53:55] it looks like they're growing a testicle somewhere out of part of their body.

[53:59] Like, it doesn't look scary.

[54:01] It looks like, is that what the mutant cat does?

[54:05] Is that its special power?

[54:06] It has this ability to create instant goiters in human beings.

[54:10] That's its amazing mutant power in the lab.

[54:13] I wonder if the Pentagon was like, this is the future of warfare.

[54:17] Cats, and when they bite you, you get goiters and testicles all over your body.

[54:21] Make it happen.

[54:22] Yeah, it makes weird bulges, and it also makes your veins pop out.

[54:26] And I'm like, I'm sure you guys are like me.

[54:28] You're like, kind of wish that cat would bite my forearms, right?

[54:31] Really make them extravascular, right?

[54:34] Not really.

[54:35] And Hedgeworth is also like, oh, by the way, if the cat ate food, it would probably contaminate the food.

[54:40] It's not really based on anything.

[54:42] Yeah, I thought that was later on.

[54:44] But anyway, the point is, yeah, the infections are all like they've put a bladder under the fake skin

[54:53] and they're squeezing air into it from off camera

[54:56] just to make the skin pulse.

[54:58] But George Kennedy dies.

[55:00] There's a kind of funny shot of all of them

[55:02] from a dead body POV

[55:05] looking up at all the people looking at him.

[55:07] And then a cut to them throwing him off the boat.

[55:10] Well, they wrapped him in a sheet.

[55:11] They bury him at sea, you know.

[55:13] The first of multiples of these.

[55:15] Yes.

[55:16] And they go, he's at the Caymans in heaven now.

[55:22] He did make it to the Caymans.

[55:24] I wish maybe the Caymans was inside all of us the whole time.

[55:30] Oh, wow.

[55:31] Yeah.

[55:31] So Hedgeworth and Rachel.

[55:34] It turns out the real Caymans was the friends we made along the way.

[55:36] Yeah.

[55:36] They're trying to fix the boat.

[55:39] The preppy kid's chatting with Walter, who gives him a fancy watch to show off how rich he is.

[55:45] Oh, right.

[55:45] And then opens the wall safe to show all the money.

[55:47] And he's bribing the kid to help him get to the Caymans.

[55:51] And yeah, this is where they find some food crumbs, and Hedgeworth makes the leap that if you eat food that the cat ate, you'll mutate as well.

[55:59] It's too bad they didn't have the budget to have people turn into cats when they mutated.

[56:06] That would have been better if it was like people started turning into cat people.

[56:09] Yeah.

[56:11] There's no joke there. I think it would have been a better movie, and I would have called it Yacht Cats.

[56:16] Curse of the Yacht Cat People?

[56:20] Curse of the Yacht Cat People,

[56:21] which would be a more accurate title

[56:22] since, again, everyone has been invited onto this yacht.

[56:25] Suzanne and the preppy dude make out

[56:27] and he's bragging about how he's got it all worked out.

[56:30] Yeah, he's been seduced by Walter's,

[56:32] his honeyed words, right?

[56:34] Yeah.

[56:35] The engine's not starting.

[56:37] Grima worm-tongued him a little bit.

[56:39] This is the make-out portion of the movie

[56:44] because also Bobby and the guy who got shot make out.

[56:47] Boy, did they make out.

[56:49] The Foley operator went into overtime on the tongue noises on that one.

[56:56] I did not expect to see their tongues just literally caressing each other

[57:01] like it was an Aeon Flux cartoon, just going all over each other.

[57:04] I made a student film when I was in college

[57:07] where it had extreme close-up of kissing

[57:09] that was deliberately supposed to be gross,

[57:11] like the whole point of it was that he says after the fact,

[57:14] and this was like that.

[57:17] It's kind of like, and this may be saying too much about me, it's kind of like the kissing you see in pornography where it's for somehow that's the most obscene thing about what you're watching.

[57:26] It's this kind of like over-the-top tongue kissing and you're like, oh, now I feel weird.

[57:31] So he's talking about how he can't feel his arm, so she moves the sheet to look at it and the cat is there gnawing at his fingers.

[57:41] Yeah, it's awesome.

[57:42] That's the best moment in the whole movie.

[57:46] how they didn't notice that this cat was just chewing on his fingers and so he knows that he's

[57:52] poisoned and so in sort of a combination of like a noble sacrifice and just panicking

[57:57] he jumps off the boat but he also knocks bobby off and that's worth it now this is a serious

[58:04] question guys yeah so he is freaking out he keeps saying over and over he keeps complaining about

[58:09] his poisoned blood do you think okay do you think this is a reference to the 2017 ep by the band

[58:16] witch vomit titled poison blood like was it a little easter egg for fans yeah wait so when did

[58:21] it come out 2017 yeah i think the the the answers in the question as they sometimes say so it was

[58:29] like a nostradamus thing where it predicted it yeah yeah okay cool um much as much as in much

[58:36] as in gillian's new show utopia there is a comic book that has seems to have clues to future events

[58:42] uh in this movie there are a number of hidden clues to future death metal releases

[58:46] um yeah so they uh the other guys guess dude it is a death metal release

[58:54] i mean i don't know if that's so much a guess as like a context clues knowing what you listen to

[59:00] but you know that's fair um they dive in trying to find bobby uh but she apparently cannot swim

[59:08] she is gone as well um and suzanne starts to panic they're all gonna die on the boat which

[59:13] seems reasonable uh unreasonable as she starts throwing accusations around that other people

[59:19] are at fault for bringing the cat on board um walter is released from quarters because they

[59:25] need help to find the cat and uh the preppy and walter are looking around the the boat

[59:31] leaving poison sardines everywhere at one point the prep kid says the hunt is still the hunt

[59:37] i don't know what that means he's just trying to look cool in front of walter graham at this point

[59:42] that's the thing like even though like he knows that he doesn't want to impress him he still kind

[59:47] of does like it's a self like a subconscious thing and this is when we see this my second

[59:54] no actually it's my first favorite meal in the movie even more so than the inexplicable banana

[1:00:00] that walter graham is eating at the party earlier uh when uh the captain is there's not a lot of

[1:00:05] food left and so uh she's serving suzanne and walter graham like handfuls of cereal and like

[1:00:12] half full glasses of champagne yeah champagne is their dinner well because they've also run out of

[1:00:19] fresh water which no one seems at first very concerned about at all like they're they're

[1:00:26] more concerned about the breakfast cereal shortage than they are about the fact that

[1:00:29] they have no water and are in the middle of the ocean i feel like i feel like cornflakes

[1:00:36] and champagne is like a joe walsh single or something or it's like jerry seinfeld's idea

[1:00:42] of a celebratory meal you know yeah uh and oh and wait oh dan or before this did the captain

[1:00:48] and hedgworth have their first have their first kiss or uh there was some point at which he kisses

[1:00:54] her on the forehead i i don't remember other kisses but um there's one other official kiss

[1:01:01] the official were boyfriend girlfriend kiss as they're hunting the cat this was with cornflakes

[1:01:08] yeah and suzanne's getting really jumpy in the scene and she's like spilling champagne on her

[1:01:14] hands and licking it off and she started looking like a cat so maybe she is turning into a cat

[1:01:18] could be um so in the course of trying to uh find and kill the cat the uh prep kid shoots a hole

[1:01:27] in the boat and then shoots a boiler which explodes on him yeah and then the cat attacks

[1:01:32] him and there's a hard cut to them throwing another body off the boat which i thought was

[1:01:37] hilarious they really should have because it was obviously hilarious

[1:01:42] yeah it's in like a dictionary for comedic editing yes that was pretty good uh the cat

[1:01:52] chews through uh a metal wall to get their last cornflakes and waffle mix which is what they have

[1:01:59] locked up yeah suzanne this millionaire's boat he had fresh fruit for one party and then the rest of

[1:02:05] his food stores were just like yeah cornflakes and waffles and these sardines that they could

[1:02:11] poisoned yeah those might have come pre-poisoned i don't know who this does this guy's grocery

[1:02:16] shopping but uh at this point suzanne has gone totally nuts and she has uh she does not believe

[1:02:23] that the food is contaminated yeah she thinks that the others are hoarding it and everyone's

[1:02:28] nerves are fraying walter slaps rachel which causes her to drop her keys which suzanne takes

[1:02:34] to get that scene is like walter gives this tour de force of lines i think at one point he's he

[1:02:43] says well at least you're being consistent at being a bitch and then later on when suzanne's

[1:02:50] having her crazy laughing he's like what are you laughing about you're gonna die

[1:02:55] that's like that must have been his audition tape i don't know yeah well suzanne eats the

[1:03:04] eats the contaminated food and sure enough her neck veins start uh throbbing and pop open and

[1:03:10] she's gone to unfortunately no cut to her being thrown off no instead there's a hard cut to a

[1:03:16] lightning storm which for a moment i thought a different movie had started playing there's no

[1:03:21] to it yeah uh they discover the hole in the hole from before the one that was shot there that has

[1:03:28] grown bigger i had thought that the movie had forgotten that this existed but uh but the boat

[1:03:33] is sinking and they they're loading some of the money into the lifeboat but walter goes back for

[1:03:38] more and he is killed by the cat and hedgworth finds him he and rachel get on the lifeboat and

[1:03:45] the mutant cat jumps onto the boat this is great uh-huh uh they throw it off and then it comes back

[1:03:52] on again both of them in turn she's like she's like we're okay and hedgeroth goes i don't think

[1:03:59] it's over yet and then the cat climbs on board again and uh they figure out that it's because

[1:04:06] uh the lifeboat is the only floating object around so they toss one of the briefcases of

[1:04:11] money over for the cat to cling to as it floats off bye-bye celebratory cue celebratory music

[1:04:19] yeah and we see some we get some very classic toy boat in a bathtub special effects here yes for the

[1:04:27] sinking of the yacht i do believe that they uh i looked up some trivia for this i think that they

[1:04:32] said that the director filmed some of this in his pool which makes sense oh i thought you were

[1:04:37] gonna say that the director sank a yacht for this movie sank a whole yacht no you're thinking of

[1:04:41] catty did not have the budget for that but all the all the budget was going to the adr for the cat

[1:04:47] that including a trigger warning i shouldn't say if you're annoyed by cat meows they're like trigger

[1:04:54] warning because now like on screen off screen the cat just continues going meow meow like even when

[1:05:02] the cat it's a close-up of the live cat and his mouth is clearly closed yeah it's still meowing

[1:05:08] it's like in addition to mutating him they taught him the ancient art of ventriloquism because

[1:05:15] that he could throw his voice even it's well it's also like the same five meows that they just keep

[1:05:21] looping basically like you can tell that they just got a very few cat sounds and kept reusing

[1:05:28] the threat the movie yeah it's it's the metronome of the movie that's it's what keeps the pace up

[1:05:34] keeps the tension up it's similar to it's what they did in dunkirk is that they they looped in

[1:05:38] a meowing sound in the background just to keep you tense on the edge of your seat that's uh it's it's

[1:05:43] similar to uh in wet hot american summer how they have the same sound effect of something shattering

[1:05:47] whenever things are thrown off screen and here it's just that cat just that cat sound effect and

[1:05:51] you know that they were like the production manager was like this is the this is what we

[1:05:57] can afford we can either have one more cat sound or we can get a banana what's it gonna be and

[1:06:04] green clark's like well the banana really makes that scene uh okay cut the other cat sound we'll

[1:06:08] make do with what we have and then in the edit they were like why did i make that choice why

[1:06:13] why did i go with the banana instead of the cat sound okay so we're at the the final couple scenes

[1:06:19] uh hedgworth and rachel have made it to safe safety um they're talking to an official on

[1:06:25] the island they have some of the money still um from this so they've come out pretty well

[1:06:31] it must be a million dollars is what she says when they're in the lifeboat and they open the case

[1:06:36] and it's pouring rain like she doesn't she doesn't skip a beat the thing is barely open and she

[1:06:40] already is guessing at yeah yeah and and what they can buy with it and then they they have

[1:06:44] transferred the money to the empty gym bag that they made sure to throw into the lifeboat as they

[1:06:49] were escaping a sinking ship with a monster cat on she was like uh we might we might have to do

[1:06:54] shopping along the way, so I guess

[1:06:56] I'll bring this empty bag with us. Oh, thank goodness I did.

[1:06:59] An empty gym bag, which is

[1:07:01] similar in a lot of ways

[1:07:02] to the way that the cat's skin is shed when

[1:07:04] the little tiny muscle cat jumps out of

[1:07:06] its body.

[1:07:07] But the local officials

[1:07:10] dismiss any talk of Mutant Cat

[1:07:12] as sea madness.

[1:07:14] They don't believe it actually happened.

[1:07:16] May I please

[1:07:18] add my fun fact, my uninvited

[1:07:20] fun fact here, which is the

[1:07:22] actor who plays the official

[1:07:24] in... Where have they

[1:07:26] gotten to again? Did they make it to the

[1:07:28] canons or is it someplace else? I don't know.

[1:07:30] I didn't recognize the... I don't know my Caribbean flags.

[1:07:32] I wish they said where they're going, but

[1:07:34] it's played by none other

[1:07:36] than Austin Stoker,

[1:07:38] who was Ethan Bishop

[1:07:40] in Assault on Precinct 13.

[1:07:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:07:44] The best actor they have going, and they

[1:07:46] give him two lines.

[1:07:48] That's great. That's crazy. Terrible.

[1:07:50] Okay, so we cut

[1:07:52] to the briefcase last scene we cut to the briefcase washed up on a beach and a kid runs a

[1:07:59] little boy picks up a cat but this cat looks totally different from the other cat it is black

[1:08:06] and uh short-haired whereas the other one is orange and long-haired so i have no idea what's

[1:08:11] going on here what we're supposed to take away from that yeah and the and then it freezes on a

[1:08:16] on the child making a weird face like not an ominous face this is a kid who's like are we

[1:08:24] still shooting and uh they freeze right there and we're terrified and then what guitar sting

[1:08:29] credits yeah yeah and mutant cat will return in uninvited 2 still uninvited yeah still invited

[1:08:36] invited to must have been lost in the mail you know guys uh we've come to the uh final judgments

[1:08:48] portion is uh is this movie and i'm gonna use the special shocktober categories well it's more

[1:08:55] appropriate this time totally scarifying totally snorifying or frighteningly funny elliot i'm gonna

[1:09:03] ask you first i'm gonna switch it up oh okay i'm gonna say well now that we've made it to the

[1:09:07] cayman islands of final judgment where we've been heading this whole time i'm gonna say i thought

[1:09:11] this movie was frighteningly funny it is especially if uh like gillian or like me you have a weakness

[1:09:19] for 80s things and things that are every frame of it screams it's the 1980s uh this is especially

[1:09:26] uh i don't know i mean if you don't find really weird uh cat demon puppets that come out of other

[1:09:33] cat puppets mouths but make the same sound effect over and over again if that's not funny to you

[1:09:37] then maybe i don't understand humor but i would say it's funny uh yeah just really quick i'm gonna

[1:09:44] toss in frightening funnily frighteningly funny i agree uh stewart what do you say yeah i'm with

[1:09:49] you it uh it's it's so silly and yet like there's uh there's different like it's you're not uh even

[1:09:56] though it's cheap it's not all stuck on the same location uh there's a lot of really weird

[1:10:01] characters a lot of weird choices uh yeah it's it's it's super funny and gillian i you're you

[1:10:09] you suggested this i can only assume this is your favorite movie ever made

[1:10:13] yeah i mean i actually have a different category actually which is you know invite me to

[1:10:21] i would say if you like your ham like you like your perms spirals this is the 80s film for you

[1:10:30] yep put it on the box put that blurb on the box that was what i was thinking if they ever release

[1:10:36] uninvited like best-selling author glenn says if you like your ham you like your perms

[1:10:43] and people are in i don't i guess they're not in a video store they're scrolling through and

[1:10:50] they're like what what does this mean i don't understand this blurb yeah when you're scrolling

[1:10:54] are there blurbs

[1:10:56] or do you

[1:10:56] I don't know

[1:10:57] I don't know

[1:10:59] what do we do

[1:10:59] with blurbs

[1:11:00] these days

[1:11:01] yeah

[1:11:01] do your type 5

[1:11:03] on blurbs

[1:11:03] it was

[1:11:04] it was nice

[1:11:05] to watch

[1:11:06] it's been a while

[1:11:07] since we've gotten

[1:11:07] to watch like

[1:11:08] a genuine

[1:11:08] like weird

[1:11:09] like cheesy

[1:11:11] 80s

[1:11:11] horror movie

[1:11:13] yeah I was really

[1:11:14] I thank you

[1:11:14] for suggesting this

[1:11:15] I have been wanting

[1:11:16] to see this for a while

[1:11:17] and some friends

[1:11:18] of mine actually

[1:11:18] showed it

[1:11:19] at a movie night

[1:11:20] I was at

[1:11:21] but it was the

[1:11:22] third movie

[1:11:23] it was starting

[1:11:23] like after

[1:11:24] it was like 1 a.m and it was at a party like i'd been drinking like i fell asleep immediately so

[1:11:31] um thank you for giving me a second chance at uninvited you are welcome anytime i've got a

[1:11:39] long list of uh 80s horror films so have me on next year oh definitely we will hold you to that

[1:11:46] that'll be a shocktober tradition and speaking of tradition stan traditionally this is the part

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[1:16:28] Now, are you like me?

[1:16:30] Are you a cat person?

[1:16:32] What?

[1:16:33] I don't mean a person who's half cat, half person.

[1:16:36] That would be strange.

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[1:17:28] Yeah, better just have them be delivering new litter boxes to your yacht in the middle of the ocean.

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[1:17:43] They don't send you poo?

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[1:18:17] Now, I have a couple of jumbotrons here.

[1:18:22] The first one is for Peter Reagan, or perhaps Regan.

[1:18:28] I'm not sure.

[1:18:29] It's from Tom.

[1:18:30] And Tom writes,

[1:18:33] Oh, honored eldest brother.

[1:18:36] I hope you have time to listen to podcasts while I'm locked down with two kids or I just burnt $100.

[1:18:42] That's a reasonable fear.

[1:18:47] Yeah.

[1:18:48] Between you living in Ohio, my realizing that I'm an alcoholic and COVID-19,

[1:18:52] we probably won't make it to Hinterlands for a drink anytime soon.

[1:18:56] So I figured this was the next best thing.

[1:18:59] Maybe Stu can recommend a mocktail.

[1:19:02] Do you have a mocktail for them?

[1:19:04] Ooh, a mocktail.

[1:19:06] That's a little difficult, since I normally just pour a ton of booze in a glass with ice

[1:19:10] and then drink it while crying, but let's see.

[1:19:14] I would do a splash of ginger beer.

[1:19:19] I would do a splash of pineapple juice, and I would do some whipped cream.

[1:19:29] Oh, nice.

[1:19:30] Okay, interesting.

[1:19:31] It's a treat.

[1:19:32] It is a treat.

[1:19:35] Now, this next message is for Mitchell, last name Withheld, from Jacob, last name Withheld.

[1:19:40] And the message is,

[1:19:42] Hey, bud.

[1:19:43] Small Timber and or Vimber has come and gone, and Shocktober is ripe in the air.

[1:19:49] You know what that means.

[1:19:50] Your birthday!

[1:19:51] What better way to celebrate than a shout-out straight from a flopper's mouth?

[1:19:56] Specifically me, in this case.

[1:19:57] Thanks for being an awesome brother and an even better Dungeon Master.

[1:20:03] May this year bring good health and good fortune.

[1:20:06] Catch you on the flippity-flop.

[1:20:08] That is, the role of Dungeon Master is more important than brother, right?

[1:20:14] Well, you're guiding them, like, through life.

[1:20:18] I don't guide my brothers at all.

[1:20:20] Well, you're the younger brother, Dan, so it would be strange if you were guiding your brothers.

[1:20:24] I mean, you haven't ever met my brothers.

[1:20:28] I mean, I have met them, actually, now that I think about it.

[1:20:32] And I often guide my brother, which is why I was able to mold him into my exact opposite.

[1:20:37] A sports-loving slob.

[1:20:39] I shouldn't say slob.

[1:20:40] A sports-loving, let's just say...

[1:20:44] He was a little slobby, but then the love of a good woman turned him around, I think.

[1:20:49] That's true.

[1:20:50] She's fighting me for control of him now, and I'm not liking it.

[1:20:53] Yeah, I mean, when he was born, you saw him as a tabula rasa, right?

[1:20:58] Like a real fixer-upper?

[1:20:59] I saw him as a Tabula Ra's al Ghul.

[1:21:02] I thought he was a blank slate that I could turn into a Batman villain named the Sportsman.

[1:21:07] Now, he's a Batman villain who's themed around sports, but mainly sports bar trivia.

[1:21:12] I mean, I assume that from the title.

[1:21:14] And he's like, Batman, I'll give back the diamond if you can answer this question.

[1:21:18] Which teams played in the 31st Super Bowl?

[1:21:22] And Batman would be like, I don't know.

[1:21:24] I'm not really into sports.

[1:21:25] And that would be the end of the adventure.

[1:21:26] Yeah.

[1:21:28] And he's like, but you probably own at least one sports team, right?

[1:21:32] He's like, just in the WNBA.

[1:21:34] I really want to give those ladies a shot.

[1:21:36] We've got to expand the audience base.

[1:21:38] And the sportsman's like, I respect that.

[1:21:41] Okay, cool.

[1:21:43] So we have a whole character fleshed out.

[1:21:45] I guess we're just waiting on a phone call from DC Comics.

[1:21:49] Or Warner Brothers.

[1:21:51] Maybe they just want to put him straight in the movies.

[1:21:53] The sportsman, David, will play it himself.

[1:21:55] Straight to the movies, huh?

[1:21:56] Yeah, yeah.

[1:21:58] Guys, we have another announcement to make.

[1:21:59] This episode is being released the morning of October 24th, Saturday, October 24th,

[1:22:04] which happens to be the same day when we will be doing our newest Flophouse live Zoom show.

[1:22:10] It's the Flophouse live in your home tonight, October 24th at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific.

[1:22:17] Just go to the Flophouse YouTube page where we'll be streaming.

[1:22:20] We're going to be talking about The Exorcist 2, The Heretic,

[1:22:23] and we'll also be raising money for charity like during our Howard the Duck show.

[1:22:28] You guys were super generous and super attentive during that last show.

[1:22:30] We really appreciate it.

[1:22:31] Please join us tonight, October 24th, 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific,

[1:22:36] for The Exorcist 2, The Heretic.

[1:22:38] It'll be just like a regular Flophouse live show.

[1:22:40] We're each going to do presentations.

[1:22:41] We'll talk about the movie.

[1:22:43] And then at the end, in lieu of a question and answer,

[1:22:45] we will be taking questions over Twitter that we will answer in real time.

[1:22:50] Not fake time.

[1:22:51] Real time.

[1:22:52] So that's tonight.

[1:22:53] If you're listening to this episode after October 25th,

[1:22:57] Or October 24th, rather.

[1:22:58] Then the show will, if it's not up on the YouTube channel to watch on its own, will still be up.

[1:23:04] You will not be able to interact with us because it will no longer be live.

[1:23:07] Send those Twitter questions to Twitter.

[1:23:08] You can attempt to interact.

[1:23:09] You can shout at the screen, but no one will hear you.

[1:23:12] Or an uncaring God.

[1:23:13] Yeah, and I will find your questions on Twitter and I will print them out and then throw them over my shoulder laughing because I don't have to answer them.

[1:23:20] So that's Flophouse Live tonight, October 24th.

[1:23:23] The Exorcist 2, The Heretic.

[1:23:25] Be there and be scared.

[1:23:28] Maybe?

[1:23:30] Yeah.

[1:23:31] We'll find out.

[1:23:33] I also want to mention that I have my new children's book,

[1:23:35] Sharko and Hippo.

[1:23:36] It's in stores now.

[1:23:37] Order it through your local independent bookstore.

[1:23:39] Yeah, do it.

[1:23:41] And if you want to support any of either of my two bars,

[1:23:45] you can go to either Hinterland's Bar or Minnie's Bar

[1:23:49] and pick up to-go drinks or sit in their patio,

[1:23:51] I'm assuming, unless things change in the next week or so.

[1:23:55] And you can also email hinterlandsbarmerch at gmail.com because we are selling T-shirts and hoodies over the Internet.

[1:24:06] Currently, we're only shipping to the U.S., but that might change depending on whether or not we get stamps.com.

[1:24:13] Yeah.

[1:24:14] And I'll say, you know, like, Stuart's probably loathe to make too naked a plea, so I will make a naked plea.

[1:24:23] Thank you.

[1:24:24] It's a hard time for –

[1:24:26] It's the only thing that Stuart is loathe to do naked.

[1:24:27] Yeah, it is.

[1:24:28] Literally, yeah.

[1:24:29] I've seen him in so few clothes.

[1:24:31] But it is a hard time for people in the restaurant and bar industry.

[1:24:35] So if you can support those enterprises in any way you can, please do.

[1:24:39] And now we shall return to the fun parts of the show.

[1:24:44] This is Letters, the part of the show where we read letters from you, listeners.

[1:24:50] Not you specifically necessarily unless we read your letter.

[1:24:54] Possibly, yeah.

[1:24:54] Dan pulls out the giant mailbag that you have in your apartment at 123 Fake Street and you pull out a random letter that you have not pre-screened in any way.

[1:25:04] And I say, all for Santa Claus.

[1:25:07] This is from John, last name withheld, who writes, at dinner tonight, my wife said she was in the mood for an 80s movie.

[1:25:16] Hey, 80s movie.

[1:25:17] So we settled on Footloose.

[1:25:20] I searched YouTube for a clip of the excellent opening theme because I wanted to announce our decision on Facebook, knowing that all of my friends and family really care a lot about what movie we're going to watch tonight.

[1:25:31] Anyway, I came across the trailer for the 2011 Footloose remake that I didn't even know existed.

[1:25:39] It has Dennis Quaid as the Reverend originally played by John Lithgow and an otherwise unremarkable cast.

[1:25:48] There are shot-for-shot cuts, along with dialogue and sequences straight from the original.

[1:25:52] The main difference that I could see was more twerking, and on a positive note, some roles for minority characters that aren't just extras.

[1:26:00] I wish, wait, knowing there's twerking in it now, I wish they'd just gone all the way and called it butt-loose.

[1:26:05] That was the one that was directed by the Hustle and Flow guy, right?

[1:26:12] Craig Brewer? I think so, I think you're right.

[1:26:16] I don't like putting the words butt and loose together for the title of the movie.

[1:26:21] I got to say, I mean, it's everyone's dream for the business they do with their butt to be loose and easy, to have a simple flow that doesn't need to be thought about.

[1:26:30] Hi, I'm Elliot Kalin. No constipation. Have you ever? Yeah, no.

[1:26:34] John continues. I know that Footloose is one of the pentacles of Western artistic expression, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it needed a remake.

[1:26:45] I'm guessing it's some sort of nostalgic cash-in targeted at Gen Xers and older millennials.

[1:26:50] A part of me wants to see it out of curiosity, but if I ever do, I will not be paying for it.

[1:26:55] What would you say is the most unnecessary remake?

[1:26:58] And or, what's a remake that never needed to be made, but actually turned out to be a good movie?

[1:27:04] John, last name withheld.

[1:27:07] I mean, I'm going to answer why it got remade.

[1:27:12] I think it's money.

[1:27:15] I think it's because they owned it and they wanted to make money off of it.

[1:27:19] Well, they said, here's a name that exists already,

[1:27:21] so we're taking less of a chance with it than we would with a new thing,

[1:27:25] much like they thought when they made the original Footloose,

[1:27:27] which was a remake of, and they searched through your files,

[1:27:30] and they said it's not a remake of anything.

[1:27:31] How is that possible?

[1:27:32] Why is this paperwork missing?

[1:27:34] It reminds me of my imaginary conversation with J.J. Abrams

[1:27:38] when that second Star Trek movie came out,

[1:27:39] where I was like, you could come up with a new bad guy.

[1:27:42] You don't have to use Khan.

[1:27:44] It could be, like, another bad guy.

[1:27:45] And he said, this is just something in your imagination.

[1:27:48] I don't have a response to that.

[1:27:49] And I said, then I consider it a win.

[1:27:51] And I turned over and went to sleep.

[1:27:53] But, Stuart, what's a remake you think is unnecessary?

[1:27:57] I mean, like, we did the RoboCop remake here on the show, and it was pretty bland.

[1:28:04] And RoboCop is such a singular, wonderful experience.

[1:28:08] It obviously didn't need to be remade.

[1:28:10] What about you guys?

[1:28:12] I will say that a remake that, or a remake, I guess, or reimagining that works is the new Suspiria, which I love.

[1:28:21] Oh, yeah, that's a really good one.

[1:28:23] Yeah, I'm going to answer the second question because I found that easier to think about.

[1:28:28] The Ocean's Eleven remake is so much superior to the first one that people forget that there was a first one.

[1:28:34] The first one is just the Rat Pack hanging out, and there's a certain pleasantness to that.

[1:28:42] And it's got a great ending, but otherwise it's just kind of interminable, whereas the Soderbergh one is breezy and fun.

[1:28:51] Is that the one where, at the end of it, at the original, Frank Sinatra sees the Statue of Liberty at the New York New York Casino and realizes it was Earth the whole time?

[1:28:58] Yeah.

[1:28:58] Yep.

[1:28:59] Yeah.

[1:28:59] I was thinking about the—I mean, there's a lot of unnecessary remakes because there's almost never—nothing has to be remade.

[1:29:07] There's almost never a movie where the world would be out of joint if something wasn't remade.

[1:29:12] But I threw my mind back to Gus Van Sant's Psycho remake, which I know he was doing as kind of like an art experiment, I guess.

[1:29:20] But it was a strange choice to remake a very good movie shot for shot.

[1:29:28] And the only thing you're adding is that Vince Vaughn masturbates, where Norman Bates did not masturbate on camera.

[1:29:34] But his last name is Bates, Elliot.

[1:29:37] Good point.

[1:29:37] That's a good point.

[1:29:39] That's just money on the table.

[1:29:40] And the, but it feels like if he had remade, like there's something about remaking a not good movie shot for, I mean, like, I don't, I didn't, I was not the hugest fan of the disaster artist movie.

[1:29:52] But taking something that, where you have to really try hard to remake the mistakes in something, it's kind of an interesting idea.

[1:29:58] But there's a bunch of movies where the remakes, it didn't have to be remade, but like the remakes would like, the remake of 310 to Yuma is a real strong.

[1:30:07] western adventure and there was no need for peter jackson to make a new king kong but i actually

[1:30:12] like that king kong a lot and you love the remake of taking a pelham 123 right no would not fall in

[1:30:17] that category not a fan of that one the movie that inexplicably decides to show you an out of

[1:30:22] control train by using slow motion to show the train going around a corner uh but uh and like

[1:30:28] the new planet of the apes movie it's like the old planet apes movies are great but the new ones uh

[1:30:33] they took it in a new direction i don't know like the new new ones not the tim burton planet

[1:30:36] of the apes which has amazing costumes but doesn't really make sense as a movie uh gillian do you

[1:30:42] want to join us in possibly offending people we may want to work with in the future by by slagging

[1:30:47] their remakes i will go with one with that um i just didn't see because the original is so dear

[1:30:53] to me which is point break and so i have i have not seen i should say i've not seen the remake but

[1:30:59] i'm just sort of like i just don't know what else i would want you know and you know and

[1:31:07] and anytime anyone says you know well not anytime but a lot of times when they say you know cgi has

[1:31:14] come so far for me it's not necessarily with stunts and special effects it's not necessarily

[1:31:19] a selling point because you know i think stuff like john carpenter's you know the thing like

[1:31:25] to me i don't want to see that remade with all the latest you know evolution of cdi like i love

[1:31:31] the way it was done to me it's oftentimes scarier um you know but but with that with point break i

[1:31:37] was like i don't know you know that i just i i love the original so much that i there's some

[1:31:44] that where i'm just like even if it's wonderful i still i'm still going to be watching it with

[1:31:49] my arms crossed so yeah well but then also the practical effects uh and something like the thing

[1:31:55] like even now i watch it and like you know i know that there are effects but the the physical like

[1:32:01] not only are they scary but the the physical nature of them makes me watch it and think like

[1:32:06] how did they how did they do that those are still incredible and baffling i mean i i i don't want to

[1:32:13] get into a physical versus like practical versus uh digital effects argument but the i oftentimes i

[1:32:21] think that the limitations can cause some interesting creative choices that like like

[1:32:26] jaws for instance where you're like there's but this time you get to see a shitload of that cool

[1:32:32] ass shark but on the other hand i heard recently that uh billy crystal's finally going to remake

[1:32:39] forget paris taking advantage of cgi to to really do what he couldn't do in the original and i can't

[1:32:43] wait to see how he takes advantage of it you know okay guys the four of us have been tasked we have

[1:32:49] we have just been hired to remake uninvited what who do we cast what do we what are we doing well

[1:32:56] are we going to change the story at all or using the same screenplay because it seems like there's

[1:33:00] some script issues that we might have to deal with yeah before we get to casting uh maybe i mean what

[1:33:05] more broadly drawn character types?

[1:33:07] Bigger teeth for Clue Guglielmo's character.

[1:33:12] Is that in the script,

[1:33:13] or is that part of the casting process?

[1:33:15] In the original script, it says Albert,

[1:33:17] Albert, 50, a henchman with huge teeth,

[1:33:21] and Clue Guglielmo was calling his agent,

[1:33:23] and was like, I don't think I have big enough teeth

[1:33:25] for this role.

[1:33:25] Clue, don't worry, they'll figure it out.

[1:33:27] They really want you to read for this part, okay?

[1:33:29] How do I get across the big teeth?

[1:33:32] Clue, you're the artist, just figure it out.

[1:33:35] You know, just, you know, like physical transformation, maybe by like the way you like hunch your back will like make your teeth look bigger.

[1:33:42] It'll make your teeth more prominent.

[1:33:43] Yeah.

[1:33:44] OK, moving on to the next and final letter.

[1:33:48] Chris Lastname Withheld writes, Hey, Peaches.

[1:33:51] And in a connection, I recently saw The Taking of Pelham 123 and realized how much I loved the film's use of New York City's geography and infrastructure.

[1:34:03] Hey, wait, pause.

[1:34:05] i have an idea for this remake what now the big difference is in at the very end when uh you know

[1:34:10] they've already punched the the cat monster off uh the rowboat once he climbs back up and he's like

[1:34:16] they're like oh no it's not over yet then the cat monster opens his mouth and there's a second cat

[1:34:20] monster inside his mouth that's how you know it's not your daddy's uninvited yep extra cat monsters

[1:34:27] uh it's cat monsters all the way down uh i recently saw the taking of pelham 123

[1:34:34] 1974 uh the writer clarifies the classic one the original yeah uh likes the use of new york city's

[1:34:43] geography and infrastructure i've often found films that really play with the city's geography

[1:34:48] particularly engaging and exciting including dirty harry in san francisco albeit a problematic film

[1:34:54] as he says uh and motherless brooklyn with new york are there any movies you think are especially

[1:35:00] effective in the way they use the geography and space of their location thank you chris last

[1:35:05] last name withheld uh i will pander to our guests for a moment i don't know in widows whether it was

[1:35:12] in the screenplay or a directorial choice but i i found very striking the scene where um they're

[1:35:18] driving from the underprivileged neighborhood to the much more privileged neighborhood where uh is

[1:35:24] it colin farrell's character yeah lives uh and the camera remains outside of the car for the

[1:35:30] entire conversation you can see the neighborhoods change um and i thought that was uh a very

[1:35:38] striking uh choice that was made um why thank you i uh yeah no i mean i love i live in chicago and

[1:35:48] And Steve wanting to film it in Chicago, for me, Chicago is just such a great, that's why, I mean, I think Widows came out right when I was trying to convince Amazon that we could film the Utopia in Chicago.

[1:36:06] And I think, you know, Widows is such a dirty valentine to Chicago.

[1:36:12] You know, the city has such strange and layered architecture.

[1:36:17] And, you know, it basically is a prairie town with skyscrapers.

[1:36:22] So the shadows and the light at certain times are just, you can use them so well.

[1:36:27] And the different neighborhoods are so distinctive.

[1:36:29] You know, even movies like The Fugitive that use Chicago and use it well are, you know,

[1:36:36] some of those uh little locations that they go to are you know it's like you would only find that

[1:36:42] building in chicago and so it's why i always get so disappointed when you know you see a movie and

[1:36:48] it's like skyline of chicago and then the camera goes down you're like that's toronto that's not

[1:36:55] chicago yep they're eating uh they're eating hot dogs with poutine all over them and you're like

[1:37:01] bought this and you're like there should be

[1:37:03] celery salt on that not poutine

[1:37:05] why aren't they eating pizza stew

[1:37:09] what's going on I also

[1:37:11] want to say this is a

[1:37:12] I feel like a less seen movie

[1:37:15] than I would like I really

[1:37:17] like premium rush Elliot and I saw

[1:37:19] it when we were at a convention

[1:37:21] talked it up and then

[1:37:23] one of our co-workers saw it and would

[1:37:25] not stop talking about how much

[1:37:27] he hated premium rush and how we thought we were idiots

[1:37:29] but I love that movie

[1:37:31] for weeks for weeks he was mad for recommending that movie to him but what i liked about that

[1:37:37] movie was look it doesn't matter i mean movies are they make up the geography all the time but

[1:37:41] one of the fun things about it is how accurate that movie is about new york geography uh for

[1:37:46] a movie that's all about like getting from uptown to downtown they are very careful about that and

[1:37:51] it's it's part of the fun i think i was going to mention premium rush also with i know new york's

[1:37:56] much better than other places just because i lived there for so long but like also the way

[1:38:01] the warriors uses new york where i remember like they would show the warriors on monster vision

[1:38:06] and joe bob briggs would follow along with their journey on a map on a map of new york subway

[1:38:11] system and show you they're at this point now they're at this point now they really like

[1:38:14] they did such a good job of uh of really sticking the story to where where they were going to be at

[1:38:20] any given point you know uh but it's you know i'm sure there are other places where they do that too

[1:38:25] like uh i'm sure in uh like uh i don't know maybe if i knew tokyo i'd be like oh yeah gojira really

[1:38:33] really gets across the ego starts here and he goes here you know and i'm a sucker for any kind

[1:38:39] of thriller that really takes advantage like really establishes the geography of the space

[1:38:43] that they're using whether it's something like on a smaller level like panic room that's all

[1:38:47] in a you know brownstone or something like tremors where you're like you got to know exactly how far

[1:38:53] you got to run so you don't get gobbled up by one of those graboids you know

[1:38:56] i love i'm a big fan of movies where they clearly you know got some sort of tax break incentive for

[1:39:04] you know acting as a tourist sort of thing like um i love um brainstorm the christopher walken

[1:39:12] natalie wood movie which was filmed in durham and let like they use so many they're like me me at

[1:39:20] the statue of so-and-so that's in the beautiful park near you know and they're constantly meeting

[1:39:26] these places where it's like the you know you're meeting at like old ancient statues or at one

[1:39:33] point uh christopher walken rides his recumbent bike through town so you're literally getting an

[1:39:39] incredibly long scene where he's riding through beautiful durham

[1:39:43] um i don't think i've ever seen that movie i'm gonna have to check it out

[1:39:49] you know so that i can prepare for a future trip to durham that's all you need you're

[1:39:54] see what you gotta see uh finally achieve your dream of of uh of opening up the brainstorm tour

[1:40:02] of durham where you just take people around to all the sites from the movie uh yeah i mean

[1:40:06] well my my plan is to take at least one visit pick out a location find some nice real estate

[1:40:12] and then open up a bar that sells

[1:40:13] dark and brainstormies.

[1:40:15] Okay, well we're in the homestretch now.

[1:40:22] We're going to do the final segment of our show

[1:40:24] which is recommendations.

[1:40:25] You know,

[1:40:27] watch Uninvited. A lot of fun.

[1:40:29] But also, maybe check out one of these movies.

[1:40:32] I'll kick us off. I went

[1:40:36] upstate recently.

[1:40:38] It was the first time I left

[1:40:39] Brooklyn since

[1:40:42] quarantine so are you recommending going on a vacation i'm recommending getting the hell out

[1:40:48] so my movie is the hudson valley no but um so i i went to a drive-in movie it was great it was the

[1:40:58] first theater experience that i've had uh since everything shut down and uh yet again i fell

[1:41:06] asleep for the later movie but i watched the first movie which was hocus pocus which i had not ever

[1:41:13] seen because i was a little too old for it and i had no younger siblings but and also at the time

[1:41:19] all the reviews were pretty pretty bad but then it became uh like sort of a cult favorite of uh

[1:41:27] millennials and i always assumed it was another space jam i always assumed that it was not a good

[1:41:32] movie a movie that like i would be like why do you like this but i watched it and it's so much

[1:41:37] weirder than i thought it would be like all of the witches are so much fun there is a joke involving

[1:41:44] a uh lobster that just lasts for like it's a very short joke but it was so funny i laughed so hard

[1:41:52] um i don't know it's just like if you've never seen it it's i think it's probably a different

[1:41:59] movie than you're assuming it is a strange movie and also a movie that's unafraid to get dark for

[1:42:05] a children's movie like it starts out with child murder so um that's my blurb for the

[1:42:10] hocus pocus box starts out with child murder um but i i really enjoyed it so if you missed it

[1:42:18] hocus pocus elliot stewart well what what am i gonna recommend no no dan said elliot oh okay i

[1:42:27] I guess, I guess, Elliot, we'll go.

[1:42:29] You have, I don't know.

[1:42:31] I was going to talk about a movie that I was actually in.

[1:42:34] Is that fair?

[1:42:36] Is that allowed?

[1:42:37] I don't know.

[1:42:37] Is it a movie you like?

[1:42:39] Would you recommend it if you weren't in it?

[1:42:41] I would, I think.

[1:42:42] I mean, it's tough because I can't really pull myself out of it.

[1:42:44] But I guess, I mean, I feel like I have to recommend it now that I've started talking about it.

[1:42:49] All right, so I'm just going to talk about it.

[1:42:51] I think so, I think so.

[1:42:52] And it is Shocktober.

[1:42:52] It's the perfect time for a movie that I assume is horror-y.

[1:42:55] Yeah.

[1:42:57] i'm going to recommend a movie that i am very briefly in i get like one line and some sound

[1:43:02] effects in a scene a scene at the galactic council on the planet of gygax the movie is called psycho

[1:43:09] gore man uh directed by a buddy of mine and friend of the podcast uh stephen kostansky he directed

[1:43:16] the void uh man borg he directed a short in uh one of the abcs of death um and it is a monster

[1:43:25] movie with a ton of big

[1:43:26] splattery monster effects

[1:43:28] it is about two kids

[1:43:30] who find a exiled

[1:43:33] alien overlord

[1:43:34] who they name Psycho Goreman

[1:43:36] or PG for short

[1:43:38] and because they have

[1:43:40] which is also what the movie is rated I assume

[1:43:41] I mean it says it on the poster

[1:43:44] you'd have to look at the much smaller letters

[1:43:46] to see the actual rating

[1:43:47] and I mean why would you look down there

[1:43:50] when you could be looking at the cool monsters on the poster

[1:43:52] so they find his amulet

[1:43:54] and they can take control of him and so despite the fact that he wants to destroy the universe he

[1:43:58] has to do the bidding of these children uh and it's a lot of fun and it's gross and it's kind

[1:44:04] of like if uh it's kind of like a cross between suburban commando and uh and like a power rangers

[1:44:11] episode that was also super gory it's a lot of fun check it out i think it's it's going to be

[1:44:16] coming to streaming uh sometime next year to shutter uh right now you can see it at select

[1:44:22] movie festivals, Psycho Goreman.

[1:44:24] Exciting.

[1:44:28] Should I go next? Okay, I'm going to recommend

[1:44:31] not exactly a horror movie,

[1:44:32] but a movie that is frightening in what

[1:44:35] it says about the way that power

[1:44:36] corrupts and politics inevitably

[1:44:39] goes

[1:44:41] bad. It's the movie

[1:44:42] Danton, starring Gerard Depardieu

[1:44:45] from 1983. This is directed

[1:44:46] by the Polish director

[1:44:48] Andrzej Wadja. I'm sure I'm

[1:44:51] mispronouncing his name, but it's a French language movie. And it's the story of Danton,

[1:44:56] the French revolutionary, and the end of his life as he was tried for treason by the men that he

[1:45:01] once worked with and eventually executed. Spoiler alert, that's what happened in real life.

[1:45:06] And it's a kind of a story about what happens when people who are in power become so attached

[1:45:13] to their ideology that they say they're doing everything and believe they're doing everything

[1:45:18] for the good of the people and either don't notice or don't care to notice that what they're

[1:45:22] doing is crushing those people. And it felt very relevant in many ways to what's going on now.

[1:45:28] But it's also, you know, a movie with a lot of great performances. The guy who plays Robespierre

[1:45:34] in it, who is a Polish actor whose name I cannot remember, is really fantastic in it. And it's a,

[1:45:43] you know, just kind of a frightening movie about how a political system can get overtaken and

[1:45:48] twisted into a way that's ultimately terrible for everybody uh one warning there is a scene

[1:45:53] of a young boy in a bath so if you don't want to see a young boy in a bath i guess don't see

[1:45:58] the movie i just don't want you to be thrown by it as i was the purpose of the scene is that he's

[1:46:03] being forced at all times to learn the uh the new french legal code even when he is bathing but it

[1:46:10] was just kind of weird to see a naked kid in a movie not realizing it would be there so now i've

[1:46:14] warned you and you can see it and that's danton uh and gillian do you have a recommendation i have

[1:46:22] one i watched just recently with my son because i was about his age when i saw it the movie theaters

[1:46:29] cloak and dagger oh yeah it is i didn't know you know i didn't know if it was going to hold up or

[1:46:38] if i'd still like it and we both had so much fun it's uh young henry thomas from et uh and dabney

[1:46:45] coleman as his dad and he basically the kid is his mom has passed away his dad is a workaholic

[1:46:54] and is always busy and he has this uh character that he's infatuated with uh who comes to life

[1:47:02] in his imagination, but you can see him. He's also played by Dabney Coleman. And Henry Thomas

[1:47:08] ends up getting a hold of like an Atari video game that actually contains top secrets and is

[1:47:17] therefore chased throughout San Antonio, which made me think of it because I was recently thinking of

[1:47:23] movies that use their settings well. And he's they they use San Antonio by any sorts of bad guys.

[1:47:32] it's really fun i had quite a delightful time watching it and that's uh directed by richard

[1:47:38] franklin who's one of my favorite exploitation directors from australia he's like a very like

[1:47:44] he's a very like big like hitchcock out acolyte and cloak and dagger is like kids hitchcock but

[1:47:49] he did psycho 2 and he did link a movie where an orangutan is in love with elizabeth shoe

[1:47:56] and he did Road Games

[1:47:58] which is like a rear window

[1:48:00] but with a truck

[1:48:02] instead of an apartment

[1:48:04] and I like him a lot

[1:48:06] Road Games? I have to write that down

[1:48:08] Road Games

[1:48:09] Stacy Keech

[1:48:11] and Jamie Lee Curtis

[1:48:14] Say no more

[1:48:15] I'm in

[1:48:18] Four recommendations

[1:48:20] Stuart is only in one of them

[1:48:22] So choose that one first

[1:48:25] like you know which one to prioritize yeah it was it was pretty fun when uh the credits rolled

[1:48:30] and i actually saw my name in the credits i like got up and ran around the room like homers

[1:48:34] um hey shocktober's over but thank you so much gillian for doing this i gotta say when you uh

[1:48:47] tweeted at uh the show and i found out that you were a listener like it made my month and

[1:48:53] But also terrified me that I was like, what are we going to do to lose her?

[1:48:57] Like, what?

[1:48:57] How are we going to?

[1:48:59] Oh, have her on the show and force her to sit through it.

[1:49:01] Yeah.

[1:49:02] Everyone loves having writers on their shows.

[1:49:08] The often demand writer person.

[1:49:14] But I have enjoyed your your work so much.

[1:49:18] So I was it was very exciting.

[1:49:20] Well, thank you for having me.

[1:49:23] It was as joyful and wonderful as I had hoped and thought it would be.

[1:49:27] Well, but we should sign off.

[1:49:30] Oh, thank you.

[1:49:32] And do you want to, I mean, do you want to plug anything?

[1:49:35] Yes.

[1:49:36] I would love to.

[1:49:39] Thank you.

[1:49:39] I have on Amazon right now is a show that I, speaking of remakes,

[1:49:47] it's a remake of a beloved UK cult show called Utopia.

[1:49:51] and i wrote and produced um and was the showrunner so i'm very proud of it yeah

[1:49:58] it has stars rain wilson and john kusek i want to say that uh we just uh my wife and i just

[1:50:05] finished uh what the first the first season there's one season up uh and we loved it and i

[1:50:10] particularly want to point out like the the pilot is so fucking good like i haven't been hooked by

[1:50:17] the first episode of a show

[1:50:19] like that in a long time so it's great

[1:50:22] check it out

[1:50:23] and I want to thank you for coming on

[1:50:26] the show so

[1:50:27] shortly after it premiered

[1:50:30] when I assume you're extremely

[1:50:31] busy

[1:50:32] my pleasure I always make time for

[1:50:36] my flop house

[1:50:36] seriously you guys got me

[1:50:39] you guys were my very first podcast I ever listened

[1:50:41] to because I had not

[1:50:43] you know I'm a writer so I work from home

[1:50:46] so I had not understood the whole podcastery and then all last year when we were filming

[1:50:51] and having these insane long road trips to different uh locations I would put on Flophouse

[1:50:58] and so it was great to be able to like start at the beginning with you guys and listen

[1:51:02] listen all the way through and my oh and my husband wanted to thank you for he recently

[1:51:06] listened to your Hudson Hawk episode and and finally he is on board because I had listened

[1:51:12] to it a while before and it was like we should watch Hudson Hawk he's like I don't think we

[1:51:15] should stop making me watch uninvited and hudson hot and uh and he is now fully on board so thank

[1:51:22] you guys for that we'll probably watch it soon guys i think i know why she likes the show it's

[1:51:28] the first podcast she ever heard she doesn't know there are much better shows out there yeah i mean

[1:51:34] i feel like that's a large part of our success dan is we've just been doing a long time it totally

[1:51:39] is uh well anyway thank you to our guests thank you to jordan cowling for editing the show thank

[1:51:45] you to maximum fun for being our network um we appreciate all of you uh for the flop house i've

[1:51:54] been dan mccoy i'm stewart wellington ellie calen also saying goodbye and our guests i'm gillian

[1:52:01] flint happy october bye

[1:52:16] She slips in her watermelons being thrown into pools sound effects CD.

[1:52:21] Yeah, she did apples being thrown into pools and we're like, not loud enough.

Ep. #326 - Uninvited, with Gillian Flynn

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