FH Mini 67 - Newmania! with Griffin Newman

Stuart Wellington

[0:00] uh hey wow welcome to another flop house mini that's right an episode of the flop house that's

[0:12] theoretically shorter than a normal episode and we do different stuff on it this is the

[0:16] flop house podcast and i'm one of the hosts my name is stewart wellington and joining me are

Dan McCoy

[0:21] hi i'm dan mccoy delighted by how much stewart seemed i don't know to do like a weird awkward

[0:28] surprise like oh i didn't know that you're gonna be here here's i'm elliot kalen and it appeared to

Elliott Kalan

[0:33] me that stewart was it was was in this situation of stealing someone's valuables when they thought

[0:38] the house was empty and then when the homeowner walked in they pretended to start a he pretended

[0:42] to start a podcast as if that's what he was there for and who's who's joining us as a special guest

Griffin Newman

[0:47] today stewart what yep there he is uh why don't you introduce yourself uh hi uh this is uh griffin

[0:55] newman of of the blank check podcast what a surprise guest i cannot believe i'm here

[0:59] wait a part of our guest to work right away stewart we could tell oh but also also the disney plus

[1:07] original movie disenchanted streaming november 18th that's right that's what you're here to promote

Dan McCoy

[1:12] right up top right up at the top right up at the top if you prefer to take your podcaster in chipmunk

Griffin Newman

[1:20] form yes then this is for you i you know i feel like uh between blank check the times i've appeared

[1:27] on other shows the complaint i get most often is why does griffin speak so lowly yeah when when

Stuart Wellington

[1:35] dulcet tones when dan said take your podcaster in chipmunk form griffin grabbed his hat and i'm

[1:40] like he's gonna put on a fucking costume i'm gonna put on the chipmunk no i don't have a chipmunk

Griffin Newman

[1:44] yes i guess i should have one uh yeah no but that's everyone it's they said your voice is too deep

[1:51] too slow too low and they're always like can we speed it up can we chip it up griffin share what

Elliott Kalan

[1:56] he thinks why is he so reticent to speak what's going on i hold it all so close to the best they i

[2:03] was this is a behind the scenes thing i was saying to uh to my wife and to my son i said oh we're having

[2:08] griffin newman on tonight so it might be a little long for a mini because he's you know he's a guy

[2:11] who likes to talk and my son goes oh like you wow wow it was exactly oh man it showed i was i was

Stuart Wellington

[2:19] your your home is out of aloe vera at this point because you've been roasted yeah i was

Griffin Newman

[2:24] yeah call me billy joel because i was living in a glass house with that one yeah yeah i'm sure i mean

[2:29] i think before we met uh and before our podcast had formally collided i i would hear a lot from

[2:35] people oh you're a lot like elliot caleb you're like the elliot of your show i get a lot of you're

Elliott Kalan

[2:40] like griffin newman someday someday we're gonna uh have to i guess have a baby together and see if

[2:47] it's the most pure the most pure version of us that's possible i don't know absolutely yeah this

Dan McCoy

[2:53] is how we got like you know french bulldogs is explain please explain what that means you know

[3:00] this interbreeding for characteristics eventually you get like you know this this

[3:06] critter that's gonna be wheezing around uh it might be adorable you're like this can't stop

Griffin Newman

[3:11] talking and dropping movie references but also it can't breathe out of its nose for some reason yeah

Dan McCoy

[3:16] it's the best of what it does but what it does is kind of just be hanging on to life

Elliott Kalan

[3:21] the movie reference part of the brain is so overgrown that it can no longer stand direct it has to

[3:28] has to lie with its head on a pillow but you know brilliant yeah um did we decide so well

Stuart Wellington

[3:34] yeah we okay we did uh i haven't gotten to introduce it okay i was going to introduce thank

[3:41] you so much griffin for joining us for our our our first annual state of the newman address wow

Elliott Kalan

[3:48] i did not know this is what was happening okay this is it every year griffin newman comes on a mini

[3:57] and talks about the state of the entertainment industry the world his life uh where the sciences are

[4:04] right now the arts in general the state of our oceans the state of space junk how much space junk

[4:10] is still in the sky orbiting around the earth and he just gives it to us comprehensively no holds

[4:15] barred he's the last sane man in a world gone mad and he's here to drop some truth bombs on us

[4:20] and he's very respectable very dignified and i think this is what the the 45th or 46th annual

Griffin Newman

[4:27] state of the newman address i know i did know it was that time of the year already and and boy are

[4:33] you guys lucky that i already have a google doc prepared with answers to all of those specific

[4:37] topics i just happen to have it open right now i don't i mean i don't i wouldn't say i like to throw

Dan McCoy

[4:44] my co-hosts under the bus but i did say like maybe let's not go with the premise that requires griffin

[4:50] to do so much work our our guests in our home and these two asians of chaos were like oh sure no no

Griffin Newman

[4:58] no no that's great uh my my third podcast episode i've done today

[5:02] let's keep it going you're all revved up and ready to do some talk

[5:06] yeah just a night 11 40 p.m record that fact elliot that fact makes me want to two days after the the

Stuart Wellington

[5:15] the time change true so it feels later yeah thank god we can't do this to a man was the third podcast

Dan McCoy

[5:22] of the day we may need to go to the fallback premise no i'm gonna i'm gonna give this first

Griffin Newman

[5:27] podcast of the day energy i'm gonna give it 11 40 a.m energy so i'm so if we're not doing if we're not

Elliott Kalan

[5:34] doing the annual state of the we're not well you know what why don't you why don't you why don't you

[5:39] build up your force for that because uh instead uh our backup thing which is even dumber than that

[5:45] was i have a little really okay i have a little game just for you it's called it's called it's two

[5:52] games in fact one's called know your newman's and one's called get your griffins and so i'm gonna

[5:56] see how well you know okay other famous newman's and griffins all right cool cool i try to keep tabs

[6:01] on both okay then we'll talk about movies or something so let's would you like so what's your

[6:05] what's your pick your poison you'll end up doing both but would you rather do know your newman's

[6:08] or get your griffins first uh i i i think and remember you could have gotten out of this by

[6:16] giving an extemporaneous speech about everything in the world i'm still going to i'm still going to

Griffin Newman

[6:21] don't think that's off the table trying to think which one would be easier so uh let's let's go

Elliott Kalan

[6:27] newman's first okay i think that's a good idea because in know your newman's it's all last names

[6:31] right uh in in uh get your griffins some of them might be first names so it's gonna be first

[6:38] names or last names it goes both ways know your newman's all right so we'll start off we'll start

[6:43] off a little easy can you name no do you know this newman okay do you know this race car driver and

[6:48] salad dressing magnate who just had a posthumous memoir published paul newman okay there you go

Griffin Newman

[6:54] the one i i wish i were related to well there are a couple we'll get to the other ones it's possible

[6:59] he's jewish right probably not oh he is no no no no he is he's like the best of us yeah

[7:04] that was when he yeah when he died the uh the people of israel said he was the best of us

Dan McCoy

[7:11] i mean there are a few prophets who are vying for the role but uh overall he is the best of us

Elliott Kalan

[7:16] yeah when he he ascended to heaven and saul and david both said and and uh and solomon all went

[7:21] hey you take the throne man you got it man you get you get it and say what you want they did

Stuart Wellington

[7:27] change the the label for his asian style salad dressing to be less kind of a little bit less

Elliott Kalan

[7:35] and when he died they did change the labels to put x's over his eyes so everyone knew that he had

[7:39] passed well that was frank the fda said that there's a whole there are whole generations of

[7:45] americans who are going to grow up thinking that he would he's a man who had a popcorn and salad

[7:49] dressing company and may have been in movies also yeah they're not going to know it who he really is

Griffin Newman

[7:53] could say after he died people thought it was maybe a cause collaboration one of those the kids love

[7:57] these cause collaborations i don't know if you're aware of this okay paul newman okay so here's

Elliott Kalan

[8:03] another easy one okay one down yeah okay who okay do you know this newman who is the catholic churchman

[8:09] given the catty satire treatment in leaton stratchy's classic eminent victorians oh come on

[8:15] we've all read eminent victorians it is a hilariously catty book about four victorian british

[8:23] people written in the 1920s i believe by light and straighty scratchy i never knew how to pronounce

[8:27] it but he's a hilarious writer i'm sorry did you say itchy and scratchy written by itchy and scratchy

[8:32] it was a collaboration they've set aside their differences itchy and scratchy two characters who my

[8:36] son is sincerely entertained by does not get the joke that's cool yeah yeah that's cool okay wait uh can

Griffin Newman

[8:44] you uh read it to me one more time i think i'm gonna get it okay i'll tell you i'll give you a

Elliott Kalan

[8:48] hint he's english he's also from england this yeah no that's the one thing i've been banking on

[8:53] catholic churchman famous figure in the catholic church given the catty satirical treatment

[8:57] in light and straighty's classic eminent victorians do you need me to name the other

[9:02] people who are in eminent victorians would that help yeah that would help that would help let's

[9:05] eliminate some other names okay hold on let me uh just make sure that i've got again they all it has

[9:10] his the name has to have newman in it so but so this won't help that much but just you know the book

[9:15] also uh goes after uh oh you know what uh uh it goes after florence nightingale uh thomas arnold's

[9:22] the uh school master and general charles quote chinese gordon now i should be i should be clearer

[9:27] that he is mentioned uh in the chapter about cardinal manning oh that chapter okay go on

Griffin Newman

[9:33] so that may be helpful yeah no no that is that's a huge hint that's almost a giveaway uh i'm going to

[9:41] uh uh uh do what perhaps is a cheat and also i'm guessing is wrong and guess vicar newman oh i'm so

Elliott Kalan

[9:49] sorry it was cardinal newman oh so you would have accepted if i'd gotten the right title yeah you i

[9:56] would have accepted it yeah i believe it's john henry newman was the name uh but uh i would have

[10:00] accepted cardinal newman sorry about that okay vicar just felt more british okay here's one okay

[10:05] well here's one that here's another here's one here's a hard one no it's an easy one how about

[10:09] this one okay humor magazine mascot who spells his name differently than you alferty newman

Dan McCoy

[10:14] alferty newman so is his middle name also entertainment i think so yeah just like charles e cheese

Elliott Kalan

[10:21] yeah yeah yeah yeah i was they're related i was trying to i was explaining that we drove by the

[10:28] chuck e cheese in our neighborhood because there is one and and i said oh well you know his name is

[10:32] technically charles entertainment cheese and and my older son sammy said but it's chuck not charles

[10:38] and i was like well chuck is charles and then my wife turned to me she goes why do you know this

Dan McCoy

[10:41] and why do you feel compelled to pass it along to the next generation so that they may pass it down

Griffin Newman

[10:49] that's a good question why do you know his full christian name yeah

Elliott Kalan

[10:52] well uh uh chester edward or charles edward cheese yeah yeah uh not a jew for the record no not a jew

Dan McCoy

[11:01] not a jew no elliot knows it because he wrote the times obituary

Elliott Kalan

[11:05] well i i ghost wrote his memoir yeah of course yeah it's not always playtime down at the playhouse

[11:13] that was his that was his memoir it was all about being in performing in summer stock and his troubles

[11:18] there not any nothing about pizza or or the chuck e cheese franchise yeah he never wanted to go into

[11:24] restaurants it's terrible business it's a terrible industry yeah anyway so how about this one here's

[11:28] another easy one okay american abstract expressionist painter who specialized in color fields

[11:33] fuck uh uh american actress painter you said this was an easy one but i also said cardinal newman was

[11:43] an easy one i know i'm starting to sense a pattern on the on the feels easier this is easier than

Griffin Newman

[11:48] cardinal newman not as easy as paul newman yeah okay i'm going to say him richard newman okay uh

Elliott Kalan

[11:55] it's a good shot in the dark note was barnett newman yeah sorry barnett newman okay yeah okay a name

[12:01] you may you may know uh getting abstracted it very much in the rothko vein uh okay oh cool yeah yeah

Griffin Newman

[12:07] that vein yeah yeah not rothko newman mark oh yeah yeah big big big colors this man is one of

Elliott Kalan

[12:14] these men who takes the canvas and he paints one big color on it well it's not yeah he does some of

[12:18] that yeah not exclusively but i'm saying a lot of big color paint a lot of big colors you gotta you

[12:22] feel like you feel like one day mark rothko reaches his breakthrough when he he was like i gotta get

[12:27] the backgrounds ready for this amazing painting i'm gonna do and he just painted all red and he goes

[12:30] i think i'm done i'm tired wait a second

[12:32] okay so barnett newman would do like a line yeah he'd do like a line like a squiggle or something

Griffin Newman

[12:37] like that in the middle okay yeah i kind of like this he looks cool yeah i mean he's he's got a real

Elliott Kalan

[12:42] uh face about him yeah he does he kind of looks like if paul krugman was cool great description

[12:49] so uh the so okay this one you might get this one this is a newman know this newman original cast

[12:56] member of snl lorraine newman there you go yeah there we go and here's another easy one for you

[13:01] british author best known for his dracula novels but he's also dabbled in the warhammer and doctor

[13:06] who universes and he once wrote a book of short stories in which ed gaine and the blues brothers

Griffin Newman

[13:11] both appear now this i really feel like i should know uh i'm going to say

[13:19] randolph newman

Elliott Kalan

[13:23] close it was kim newman kim newman is his name yeah author of anno dracula dracula cha-cha yes

[13:32] bloody red baron yeah um the ed gaine and the blues brothers appear in his book back in the ussa

[13:37] which is a book of short stories set in a socialist america where the history doesn't quite work out

Griffin Newman

[13:42] it's it's like his yeah you don't say his parallels the one where blues brothers meet again doesn't

Elliott Kalan

[13:48] it doesn't totally check out we're we're uh where the characters also include kurt vonnegut and i

[13:53] think hannibal lecter is in it also wow but uh okay uh okay how about this you're gonna get this one

[13:58] okay okay know this newman you're gonna know this singer and songwriter who always sounds like

Griffin Newman

[14:03] he's got something in his mouth uh oh okay okay because i thought it could be a couple people until

Elliott Kalan

[14:08] we got to that last part uh randy you're right randy newman randy newman the guy who's who uh

[14:15] it bothers them all another way i bother my children is by just walking around one you got a family which

[14:21] they don't like nobody never not fun no never not he's someone who i'm like if he could be a muppet

[14:28] he wouldn't even have to do a voice he would just make his regular voice okay we've got one person

[14:33] left in know that newman or is it know your newmans i don't remember what i called it yeah

[14:37] no your newmans no your newmans uh so this one i hope you get correct because it's someone i am

[14:45] related to by marriage uh so okay okay yeah wait a second and it's randy newman yeah and he's with

[14:54] me today hey griffin it's going great to see you nice to see you okay i won't do the whole thing

[15:00] where randy newman's here and he keeps singing you got a friend in me because i did that on episode

[15:04] before and i'm not one to repeat bits right dan never uh never not unless not unless you suddenly

[15:09] reminds me of a character i barely remember that i did a long time ago as he did on the previous minute

Griffin Newman

[15:14] that's why both uh your kids find both you and i very funny because neither ever repeats bits yeah

Elliott Kalan

[15:20] um oh they would love you my kids would love you they they're big fans okay or they'd say another

Dan McCoy

[15:26] one of these no no they'd be like he's just like dad without any of the baggage or power to punish

Elliott Kalan

[15:33] they would love you so much that's like vacation dad yeah finally finally a dad that they don't have to

[15:38] have it that they don't have to care about right but uh this they they did they've been very clear in

[15:43] uh in their feelings about me today they did call me boring and at one point i got hit with a toy in the

[15:48] face and that was that was deemed hilarious for a moment until it until it was clear that it actually hurt

[15:54] how old is this kid 17 yeah yeah 17 my my oldest is 32 and my youngest is 17 yeah okay uh but

[16:01] they're actually twins there was a mistake with a time machine i won't get into it okay sure so okay

[16:06] so this is a word-winning general relativity physicist who co-developed the famous newman penrose

[16:12] formalism and remember this is someone i'm related to by marriage so i will be deeply offended if you

[16:17] don't if you don't get it and their last name is newman i'm i'm prepared to steal do you have this

[16:25] stewart uh uh would you mind reading the uh the hint one more time okay he's award-winning general

[16:33] relativity physicist he was a winner of the einstein award the einstein prize okay who co-developed the

[16:38] newman penrose formalism okay i have my answer i'm gonna say it is award-winning general relativity

Griffin Newman

[16:46] physicist dr newman that is my final answer right i mean you're technically right i've got to give it to

Elliott Kalan

[16:53] you his full name is ezra teddy newman he was uh oh my wife's grandfather's cousin and also my wife's

[17:00] grandfather's best friend and he was a uh very nice man everyone called him teddy uh but i guess his

[17:05] his co-workers called him ted anyway uh award-winning physicist uh a real member my wife's family just

[17:12] passed away last year anyway yeah yeah so that's so so let's tally up the score which i wasn't really

[17:17] keeping uh you you blazed ahead with uh with four out of eight

[17:23] it looks like uh so that's pretty good a solid 50 percent in this democracy that's enough to get

Dan McCoy

[17:28] you a win and uh so and we gerrymandered that one you are winning over second player not found so

Griffin Newman

[17:37] other controllers i was gonna say excuse me dan you got zero points so far yes

[17:43] stuart's got zero points so far i think that's the competition stuart threatened to steal in the

Elliott Kalan

[17:47] last one but he did not get a chance because you didn't get a chance you know what i gotta give

[17:51] you credit for dr newman that's five you got five out of eight actually that's much better yeah okay

[17:56] you just need to bone up on your english catholic history uh your dracula uh non-canon dracula

[18:03] knowledge and also uh abstract expressionist art speaking of which i you know i finally caught up

Dan McCoy

[18:08] with barnett newman's uh face over here and i also like to endorse it it's he's got a really nice

Elliott Kalan

[18:15] mustache as well it's fun he's got a fun energy yeah yeah he looks like a guy who'd be give you a real

[18:23] good time yeah a real blast yeah uh okay so should we move on to the second game now this is get that

[18:29] griffin get your griffin uh something like that get that griffin get a griffin now in this case these

[18:36] are famous griffins now throw a curveball your way it could be a first name or a last name uh-huh so

Stuart Wellington

[18:46] we could also be talking about the mythical creature right well this is my question i did i did consider

Elliott Kalan

[18:51] including that but i thought it would be unfair because that's technically i don't know the name

[18:55] the griffin's name i know that's a species but i don't know if if he has another name uh elliot i

[19:01] would suggest asking him directly that's the best way to find out yeah i'll get in touch with him

[19:06] through his people uh he's in the he's in the book i'll just look him up i'll let my finger do the

Dan McCoy

[19:11] talking cryptozoology book and uh okay so here's here's the first question okay murderous invisible

Elliott Kalan

[19:20] man played by claude rains oh fuck i just i just watched this uh griffin is his last name

[19:29] yes what's his first name and don't get it confused with league of extraordinary gentlemen

[19:33] that has that's a different first name i know i know oh r.i.p to kevin o'neill man

[19:38] oh yeah oh neil passed away yeah he just passed away yeah i didn't know i'm learning this news on air

[19:44] right now oh that's so sad i'm sorry oh yeah fantastic yeah um oh that makes me sad well

[19:50] that's the end of it that's the end of this episode sorry everybody games over games over yeah

Griffin Newman

[19:55] uh i i i did a bunch of the universals uh during the month of october the spookiest month good time

Elliott Kalan

[20:01] to do it and because this shows how out of step with with the world and america i am is that i

[20:06] didn't watch that many horror movies during october and then november 1st i was like put it up

[20:12] spanish language dracula vampires kiss i'm watching them all like that suddenly it was all about horror

Griffin Newman

[20:16] movies right after halloween uh i watched a a really scary horror movie during october it was called the news

Stuart Wellington

[20:25] oh shit this is the state of the newman address

[20:31] again a little preview

Griffin Newman

[20:35] um i'm so glad i watched this movie within the last two weeks because it of course is fresh

[20:39] my memory that this character's name is uh dr newman

Elliott Kalan

[20:43] this is the griffin's name this is the griffin's name i'm so sorry i'm so sorry that's an easy mistake

[20:49] to make

[20:51] is not dr newman but in fact dr jack

[20:54] uh unforced error very young first person it's hard to believe that you got that half of the answer

[21:01] wrong uh i know perhaps i wasn't clear enough in explaining the rules of the game but uh

[21:07] i'll tap into my inner renoir and explain and go into the rules of the game which is it's people with

[21:12] griffin in their name yeah okay thank you thank you very much thank you okay that was so definitely

[21:16] your mistake and not mine great so here's another griffin let's see if you can get this one okay

[21:21] you said you watched invisible man recently maybe this is someone whose work you've also encountered

[21:24] recently this is who founding member of mott the hoople

Stuart Wellington

[21:30] god damn it

Griffin Newman

[21:35] well at least i was right that this one's harder

[21:37] yes uh than the first one you got wrong yes yeah

[21:41] yes okay um i am going to say

Elliott Kalan

[21:47] griffin hoople i'm so sorry it is dale buffin griffin so

[21:53] griffin was actually the last name buffin is the nickname

Griffin Newman

[21:58] not a terrible guess not a terrible guess i think griffin hoople is not a terrible guess

Elliott Kalan

[22:01] not the hoople of course the only band to be sponsored by mott's apple juice mott's apple juice

[22:06] the only apple juice you could drink when i was a kid there were no other ones around

[22:12] it's it's like a ruth's chris steakhouse it's mott's the hoople yeah exactly yeah what is a

[22:18] hoople well we'll find out in newman's in griffin's state of the newman address probably uh

[22:24] okay yep coming up okay so here's so this one i think you'll get this one this is for an old movie

[22:29] hound like you this you're gonna get this one okay the star of undercover brother who is ranked number 62 on

[22:36] comedy central's list of the hundred greatest stand-ups of all time so he's not only in

[22:41] undercover brother he is also the 62nd greatest stand-up of all time according to comedy central

Griffin Newman

[22:45] i have talked uh about this with uh my friend uh david sims a co-host of blank check many times

[22:52] that uh for a long time my greatest career aspiration was to be in a two-hander buddy

[22:58] comedy with this actor so the poster could just be eddie griffin newman mm-hmm you got it eddie

Elliott Kalan

[23:05] griffin thank you you know it thank you and uh i think that's a great poster too although it would

[23:09] surprise i think people would think that nelson eddie and barnett newman and merv griffin were in a

Dan McCoy

[23:16] movie together together i mean either way a great uh before and after on uh the wheel of fortune

Stuart Wellington

[23:25] that's true that's true guys it would be a great wheel of fortune i have a question yeah if we know

[23:31] who chris is who's ruth in the ruth's chris uh the possessor of chris yeah i guess

[23:42] i just don't know why i'd go to them for a steak because they're really open about the dominant

Griffin Newman

[23:48] relationship that they have i guess say if you like the the chris you'll love the steak

Dan McCoy

[23:55] yes you're right if it's ruth yeah you like this guy he's in charge of the steak

Griffin Newman

[24:04] okay i'm just i'm sorry i looked it up it was founded as chris steakhouse

[24:10] and then a woman named ruth fertile bought it and i guess didn't want to thoroughly abandon

[24:17] the value of chris steakhouse as a brand so it became ruth's chris that is absurd yeah

Elliott Kalan

[24:24] so and and not make it ruth chris but and create a new person a new character named like

Dan McCoy

[24:29] ruth chris sounds sounds too much like ruthless right but i mean like it also implies that there's some

[24:37] chris's steakhouses out there that are not ruth's chris's steakhouse that's fair yeah and i've yet

Griffin Newman

[24:44] to see one yeah yeah it was it was one restaurant she bought one restaurant that was called chris steakhouse

Stuart Wellington

[24:54] and what i can only assume that at some point she played for the miami dolphins because isn't that

[24:59] like a requirement for you to name a steakhouse after yourself absolutely yeah yeah that's you have to do

Elliott Kalan

[25:04] that peter luger he did that yeah yeah smith and walensky they both did that yeah uh old homestead

[25:12] yeah yep old oh homestead the o stood for old yeah of course keen yeah yeah all of them uh for

[25:21] anyone listening at home who's not from the new york area if you'd like to put in your own regional

[25:24] steakhouses into this joke yeah it's a good exercise you know if you want to learn how to write the palm

[25:32] yeah palm t-h-e palm that's theodore howard edward palm yeah all right everybody okay we've got we've got

[25:43] we've got we've got some more griffins are you ready for them okay i i as ready as i've ever been yeah

[25:47] okay how about this you got you're doing great you got well you're not doing great you've got one

[25:53] out of three i'm doing okay you're doing okay okay current pitcher for the st louis cardinals god

Griffin Newman

[26:01] damn it uh a baseball player playing now i mean not anymore the season's over but playing in this era

[26:07] well i'm gonna name the most current relevant baseball player i can think of ken griffey jr

Elliott Kalan

[26:15] it's i'm sorry griffey is close to griffin i don't believe can griffey ever played for the

[26:19] cardinals i could be wrong about that i was thinking i was thinking of griffin roberts

[26:23] griffin wasn't gonna get that oh yeah okay but when i when i was uh no sorry we're gonna say

[26:29] no no what we can say i was just going on the next question you i want to hear your story about

[26:31] griffin roberts someone i think you've just learned the existence of yeah i have no opinion on

Griffin Newman

[26:35] whatsoever i was gonna say that when i was a child uh and they would ask us like who's your favorite

[26:40] athlete you know like those sort of like go around say your favorite animal say your favorite color

Stuart Wellington

[26:45] and like favorite food pizza favorite movie term there too yeah exactly right i would always say

Griffin Newman

[26:49] ken griffey jr because it was just like i'm gonna pick the guy whose name sounds like mine

[26:53] i had no opinion on him otherwise loved him yeah yeah did you like get a shirt or a poster or

Stuart Wellington

[27:01] anything maybe imposing next to a lamborghini or yeah i'll tell you this i

Griffin Newman

[27:05] remember reading his biography his like little junior biography yeah that is a lot of commitment

Dan McCoy

[27:12] to a name link to like hey read the whole thing else yeah i commit to the bit wow well hopefully you

Elliott Kalan

[27:20] can continue to commit to this dumb bit of okay get your griffins game because here's another one

[27:25] coming your way okay the mascot of the college of william and mary i'm going to say the griffin

[27:35] and you know what i looked it up he does have a name it turns out and now i know it what is that name

[27:41] that name is okay yeah but let's just clarify it is a griffin i cannot i let me ask the judges no the

[27:49] judges say i'm not allowed to tell you ahead of time but i believe from context clues you can probably

[27:52] figure out the answer to that question okay and we want a proper name first and last just just one name

[27:58] just one name maybe this will help you that uh that this mascot uh the other finalists for the job that

[28:05] did not get it were a phoenix a pug a wren and a king and queen so you know it's not one of those so

Griffin Newman

[28:12] okay i'm gonna guess his name is king phoenix pug wren the griffin i mean that's a great name

Elliott Kalan

[28:21] can i attempt to can i attempt to steal yeah you can try it yeah unless griffin thinks he can stop

Griffin Newman

[28:26] the steal he can no no i'm gonna give stewart the opening here is it griffy entertainment griffin

Elliott Kalan

[28:36] so griffy is not a nickname griffy griffy is his full name yeah yeah is it just a one word name

[28:43] sorry it is a one word name dan are you doing research or are you guessing no i'm just guessing

[28:48] okay yes it's a one word is it just griffin no do you want to steal the steel it's i'm just curious

Griffin Newman

[28:54] it's not griffin man can i go back and try to re-steal the steel for myself yeah if they

Dan McCoy

[29:01] want to re-steal the steel as you know from the rules that were clearly explained once we go one

[29:07] ring around the zoom you get to yeah another chance then you can re-steal the steel again that yeah

Elliott Kalan

[29:13] that's a special that's a special bonus move that we call we call a re-steal re-seal that's when you

[29:17] re-seal you unseal it tells us to be called re-steal unseal you unseal your old answer and

[29:22] you re-steal it yeah uh give me the name of the college again uh the college of william and mary

Griffin Newman

[29:28] okay i'm gonna guess his name is will the griffin all right uh that's not correct

Elliott Kalan

[29:36] fuck oh i think i think you it was this was probably your second choice his name is

[29:41] reveley the griffin named in honor of university president taylor reveley upon his retirement i was

Dan McCoy

[29:46] closest in 2018 no way i was closest i was gonna go with gary next yeah i was between gary greg and

Griffin Newman

[29:55] then i thought it maybe it's william yeah i mean i was the right line of thinking that it was a name

Elliott Kalan

[29:59] connected to the college itself no i think if only you had some time to research other names connected

[30:05] to the college i think you definitely would have gotten it and that's on me that's on me obviously

[30:09] i came unprepared tonight yeah it's all yeah now this this maybe someone can write in and explain

[30:14] about this or maybe you guys are familiar it's uh looking at wikipedia it says griffin mascot it

[30:18] it says related mascots kinesius college golden griffin now are they implying that these two mascots

Griffin Newman

[30:23] are related i can only assume that's like uh if you go onto imdb and it recommends other movies like

[30:31] movie connections yeah technically those movies are cousins if they're being recommended to you by

[30:37] an algorithm or a database like that the movie is a cousin that reminds me of

Dan McCoy

[30:41] yeah that's why uh roman j israel esquire and uh hacksan never married because i don't know why

[30:49] those two were recommended together by the way i just you know i have a weird algorithm i will know

Elliott Kalan

[30:55] why this i remember uh years and years ago looking at the imdb listing for from hell uh the the uh

[31:01] the jack the ripper movie and seeing that and you're like not not based on reality huh

[31:07] weird wait a minute this was a true story are you saying that loosely inspired that they took

[31:13] liberties with this what i thought was a documentary film that uh it said like if you like you know the

[31:18] recommendations all it all another one was uh was rising sun i believe and i was like wait a minute

[31:25] the only thing this movie has a common i think is they're both movies where prostitutes are murdered

Griffin Newman

[31:29] like this is well like that's not why i want to watch movies but nope the computer doesn't know uh

Elliott Kalan

[31:35] makes more sense than when i finished watching the lost daughter on netflix and netflix said

[31:39] you might like this and it put up somebody feed phil

[31:45] i was like i don't think i don't think that's what's the right follow-up for this

Dan McCoy

[31:48] after you see a daughter being lost you're very concerned you become your paternal instincts kick

[31:53] in you're like can somebody feed phil somebody's gotta feed phil oh my god yeah oh my god

Elliott Kalan

[31:58] phil is starving uh maybe okay here's okay get this griffin okay griffin griffin get this griffin

[32:04] and you're bound to get this one this is a guarantee if you are my dad because this is a famous author of

[32:11] military and detective novels and my dad has read like a million of his books routinely picks them up

[32:17] routinely buys them starts reading them and realizes he has already read that one and then puts it back

Griffin Newman

[32:21] down this is what's annoying is i believe my grandfather also was a rabid reader of this man's

[32:27] books and i'm picturing the spines okay on his bookshelf covers are very shiny can i can i i'm

[32:34] gonna ask you for a hint you can decide whether or not to grant it to me

[32:39] is his first name initials i'm gonna say yes okay okay he's going to say yes i would and this is

Elliott Kalan

[32:51] this is a clue that might be less helpful than i would it would than i would think it would be

[32:56] actually it's pretty it might be we'll see we'll see his first name is initials that spell out a word

[33:01] related to perhaps america's favorite fictional character

[33:07] just by coincidence but the word is related to america's favorite fictional character possibly

[33:13] oh

Griffin Newman

[33:15] okay okay so now i'm convinced it has to be a chuck e cheese

[33:24] that's right america's favorite fictional character charles entertainment cheese

Elliott Kalan

[33:29] fictional i'm gonna say c e griffin i'm sorry it's web griffin w e b

[33:36] right that fictional character of course spider-man the greatest character in fiction

[33:40] in all of literature ever take that odysseus okay yeah

Stuart Wellington

[33:47] spider-man knows how to find his way home as evidenced by the movies we saw

Griffin Newman

[33:51] yeah that was that was such a rude taunt to tell him there was no way home

[33:57] it was very inaccurate too very inaccurate i know it really feels like it motivated him

Elliott Kalan

[34:02] how would now i really want to see a version of the odyssey where it's spider-man instead of

[34:05] odysseus and he's just webbing that cyclops in the eye

[34:09] you know uh up in main webs and goes down to hades to talk to uncle ben yeah

Dan McCoy

[34:14] up in maine that movie was called spider-man you can't get there from here

Stuart Wellington

[34:20] thank you dan wow yeah good work good work really strong dan dan like some

[34:25] stephen king's listening to this right now and he's like fucking nailed

Elliott Kalan

[34:28] yeah some rough beast stirred himself from his age's slumber to deliver that that zinger against

[34:35] maine

Dan McCoy

[34:40] more of a nod to their sort of local dry sense of cranky humor oh yeah

Elliott Kalan

[34:44] no of course of course yeah we understand it was no thank you for for for analog for dissecting the joke

Dan McCoy

[34:51] for us i mean it might have landed a little bit better if uh if i'd said it you know immediately and

[34:59] not after an interruption but but who's to say who's to say i don't know if it could have possibly gone

Elliott Kalan

[35:06] over any better than that there's no way of going to quote to quote jack white who's to say

[35:10] who's to say yeah who's to say uh so this one okay okay that one was close that was close

[35:15] okay it's gonna be even closer it drives me crazy because just because i knew i

[35:18] fucking yeah because i had to look at those spines yeah and it's all like the colonel you know and

[35:24] stuff like that yes you know yes they're all about police officers in the army or something i don't

[35:29] know i've never read them but my dad is goes crazy for him uh if those if my dad was a girl those

[35:35] books would be a sharp-dressed man because he goes crazy for him oh wow yeah um alternately

[35:44] if the book was a girl it would have legs because certainly he knows how to use them to walk over

[35:49] to my dad and make him read the book that would work quite as well okay i'm just trying to get as

[35:53] many 80s hits as many as the british would say zz top and as you said yeah sometimes your dad would

Stuart Wellington

[36:01] double back on books that he'd read before he'd enjoyed so much he'd do the tube steak book

Elliott Kalan

[36:09] yeah he also thought those books had a real tush on it's amazing how my wedding song zz top is

[36:15] possibly it's it's it's got it's like such a funny combination of just the most the most extremely

[36:21] proficient guitar playing and the dumbest subject matter for every song

[36:28] anyway uh i'm sure there's big zz top fans out there i apologize anyway yeah she wants a pearl

Stuart Wellington

[36:32] necklace elliot that's the name of the song anyway i didn't make it up no i know you didn't i know

Elliott Kalan

[36:40] you didn't it was those bearded gentlemen uh so okay this you're gonna get this one anyway so you're

[36:45] gonna get this one 72nd attorney general of the united states he served under jimmy carter

[36:53] stewart

[36:55] oh you're phoning a friend okay yeah you get that reaction you get yeah you get can i phone

[36:59] you get one phone a friend but it has to be a friend who's already on this zoom call because the

Griffin Newman

[37:02] budget is tight for this show say it one more time elliot stewart responded as if he were front

[37:07] road is easy top concert and they just started playing tush just for the listener at home

Elliott Kalan

[37:15] okay so 72nd attorney general of the united states served under president james carter

Stuart Wellington

[37:23] i would say attorney general griffin okay well done oh now okay that's his suggestion a griffin are you

Elliott Kalan

[37:30] going to take that suggestion uh again that it would this is turned now into into a game i called

[37:35] hollywood griffs it's like hollywood squares but with griffin uh so are you gonna take that one

Griffin Newman

[37:41] are you gonna say yes or no right i mean i basically feel like 50 50 chance stewart's answer covers me

[37:47] ironclad if griffin's the last name and not the first yes but that's a again like

Elliott Kalan

[37:53] you're saying that's a 50 50 risk it's a 50 50 risk yeah especially since this is not really a game

[37:58] of chance but a game of knowledge based on a real piece of information so there's there's no luck

Griffin Newman

[38:03] involved i'm chancing it pretty hard i'm gonna say attorney general griffin i'm so sorry his name

Elliott Kalan

[38:09] is griffin bell so it would be me oh i'm so sorry um you know what i wasn't i wasn't uh i wasn't gonna

[38:20] pull this one out oh i think but but i feel like you need a win so i'm just gonna say so i'm just

[38:25] gonna say american werewolf in london what are you gonna say griffin done okay you got it you got

[38:30] one thank you jesus okay now you can send uh griffin home with the home game version yeah yeah

[38:37] because he needed to get at least two right or else the home game would be denied to him and so he

[38:41] would just get a sticker that said i got my grift got on get your griffin yeah

[38:46] i got great job grape job yeah yeah it says picture of a grape yeah exactly

[38:55] yeah we were gonna get we were gonna get stickers that were branded for the show but it was expensive

[39:02] so we just took some from a teacher's desk uh-huh this one also says big cheese it's got a cheese on

[39:09] it uh-huh apple of my eye yeah yeah it's got an apple on it yeah

Griffin Newman

[39:16] and that was a good bulk price for scratch and sniffs i i think this was a smart purchase for you

Elliott Kalan

[39:21] yeah yeah oh thanks thank you uh so let's keep let's go on to the next we've only got a few left

[39:27] this one now this one this one i think you'll get it and also because i mentioned it earlier okay

[39:32] game show magnate merv griffin merv griffin right this one i normally would have said it was a

[39:38] shoe-in but the way you've been playing this game i'm not so sure okay oh uh poorly yeah can you

Griffin Newman

[39:44] name this griffin played the part of arthur on the tick oh fuck uh i know the guy uh

Elliott Kalan

[39:50] uh well uh uh can i ask can i ask for a hint uh uh yeah here's here's another hint uh also also

[39:58] known uh for for the role of waddo okay so it's not andy succumb from the phantom menace uh

Griffin Newman

[40:09] which failed version of the tick was this which this was the canceled before it's crime i this is

Elliott Kalan

[40:15] the this i'm gonna i'm gonna that's right we should clarify of the two of the two failed live

[40:20] action versions of the tick this was the more recent one the one that the one that many cases had

[40:25] more of a shot and yet yes griffin newman you got it right you got it right yeah also known of

Stuart Wellington

[40:30] course for playing waddo uh right and pip pip the chipmunk yeah yeah pip the chipmunk

Elliott Kalan

[40:37] like the chip i wasn't gonna name all of griffin's roles no i know but griffin's here to promote

Stuart Wellington

[40:44] that he's kindly pip the chipmunk and america's got pip fever it's just topical

[40:49] uh-huh have you seen any pip action figures out in the wild yet no i or branded merch i have the google

Griffin Newman

[40:57] alerts set i do the search on shop disney twice a day i have asked the disney market department there

[41:05] have been no clear answers yet i'm i'm waiting i'm waiting i have uh i successfully bought what

[41:12] limited pip merchandise there was from the first movie which i which i was not the voice of pip in

Elliott Kalan

[41:18] that movie who was the voice of pip in the first one if not great question yeah great question uh

Griffin Newman

[41:23] in the first movie pip essentially is two voice actors because for those who are not familiar with

[41:28] the first enchanted shame on you if you're not a delightful film it's like a fish out of water

[41:33] comedy where she's a disney a classic sort of hand-drawn disney princess named princess giselle

[41:39] from the kingdom of andalasia she's got a lot of fun animal friends and she gets pushed by an evil

[41:45] witch through a well and lands in real new york city where life is tough and in the opening animated

[41:52] prologue the first 10 minutes of the film voice actor named jeff bennett who's an incredible voice

[41:56] actor who voiced uh johnny bravo among many other characters johnson bravo yeah he is he's one of the

[42:02] most prolific voiceover actors of our time uh he played pip for like the three or four lines of

[42:08] dialogue that are at the beginning of the film and he did like sort of a new york tough guy voice

[42:13] and then they they pitched it up and sped it up and uh then when pip falls through the well

[42:20] and comes to the real world uh in the real world animals can't talk so he loses his voice and for the

[42:26] rest of the movie pip uh just squeaks a bunch and it sort of tries to pantomime to warn everyone

[42:32] about the stakes of the film and the squeaking is voiced by a man named kevin lima who's an animator

[42:38] and directed the first enchanted film um so there were two different voices and uh they thought

[42:47] what if we find someone who already sounds like a new york chipmunk and we save money in post

Stuart Wellington

[42:55] by not having to speed him up or pitch him up wow and and that's what brought you to our doorstep

Elliott Kalan

[43:02] exactly well it's it's great i'm glad you finally were able to tell the audience about disenchanted about

[43:08] uh pip the chipmunk because it that means you've unlocked our final round which is a bonus game

[43:13] it's called oh ain't that ain't that a pip and in ain't that a pip you have to name the actors who

[43:18] have voice acted characters named pip okay okay let's see let's see if you're ready for it because let's

[43:25] see there's a lot there's we we know you know the enchanted movies as you've made so clear

[43:30] did you have them written down uh the people from the enchanted movie yeah uh no okay

[43:37] i don't get points for that well i'll give you you know what i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you

Griffin Newman

[43:42] what i call professionalism points i was gonna say plug points proper respect my forebearers points

Elliott Kalan

[43:47] yeah yeah all those things all those things yeah yeah uh yeah respecting your elders standing on the

[43:52] shoulders of giants points that's that's what you get uh yeah knowledge of the lineage points

[43:56] because this this is a one question bonus round i think you're gonna get it okay ain't that a pip

[44:00] can you name the voice actor who played pip the troll and also name the movie that that character

[44:05] appears in pip the troll pip the troll pip the troll and also name the movie that appears in

Griffin Newman

[44:14] pip the troll pip the troll

[44:18] voices pip the troll pip the troll i might have a guess for this one if it's a real honest one

Elliott Kalan

[44:28] well here's the here's the thing do you want do you want a do you want a clue or do you want to

[44:32] pass on to dan that's called a dan pass you're allowed one of those per game also no no i was only

Dan McCoy

[44:37] gonna do it if if if it didn't you know well would you like it would you like a clue first

Stuart Wellington

[44:42] dan doesn't want to help he wants to steal i was gonna say he's got he's got he's got gold in his

Griffin Newman

[44:47] eyes i see huh dan you're stroking your beard you're looking off into the distance deep in thought

Dan McCoy

[44:58] maybe i could i could i could hazard a guess about the movie and then if it's correct maybe that uh

[45:05] okay i'm i'm gonna use the dan pass okay is this is this from a troll in central park

Elliott Kalan

[45:12] oh no i'm so sorry okay dan he passed the pip the troll to you and you

[45:18] fumbled it to the ground it shattered into a million pieces now you got to put it back together

[45:21] with the glue before i get home and find out it's broken why did i soak this troll in liquid nitrogen

[45:28] it's frozen troll okay pip the troll pip the troll it it does so what what kind of clue what kind of

[45:37] clue would you prefer would you rather have the gear that this movie came out or would you rather have

[45:41] a clue about the uh source material that this character was taken i would i would rather have

[45:48] a clue about the source material okay pip the troll was created by jim starlin

Griffin Newman

[45:55] oh shit i know thank you thank you thank you this is at first i thought it was going to be in reanimator

Stuart Wellington

[46:03] but that's wrong then i thought it was in things to do in denver when you're dead that's wrong then i

[46:09] thought it was in the canyons also wrong but i think we finally figured it out yeah who can forget

Griffin Newman

[46:15] the breakout character from america's favorite blockbuster of course pip the troll was voiced by

[46:20] patten oswalt and the end credit scene of eternals yes you're right exactly right pip the troll best

Elliott Kalan

[46:27] known to comics fans the sidekick to adam warlock a character slated to appear i guess in the next

[46:32] guardians of the galaxy movie yeah not a jim starlin creation but a character that jim

[46:36] starlin really put his mark on as flop house listeners will know if they listen to the second

[46:40] of the two elliot explains adam warlock episodes the first one of course was hijacked by tom brokaw to

[46:45] talk about the recent dune film uh but yeah but griffin you've gotten full points from that oh thank

Stuart Wellington

[46:50] god and that raises what i love is the uh what i love is that was definitely a moment when many of

[46:57] our listeners i'm sure knew the answer and are mad at us very much so very much you don't forget a

Elliott Kalan

[47:03] great character like pip the troll he's one of the thing is he's one of the few teleporting trolls to

Griffin Newman

[47:07] be loosely based on jack kirby's appearance and don't forget a character like that everyone's

[47:12] also he fucks up my seo on voice of pip in disney film yeah sorry to bring that up sorry to remind

Elliott Kalan

[47:21] you about that but no it's fine griffin you played a great game you knew those newmans you got some of

[47:26] the griffins and you really some of them picked that pip i picked that pip yeah and especially after

[47:31] dan so thoroughly tried to mislead you which was a really really tricky thing to do that

[47:37] that was the kind of thing you do on a reality show because you're not there to make friends you're

Stuart Wellington

[47:41] there to win right dan doing it doing it for your family uh yeah i was gonna say it's also just

Griffin Newman

[47:48] embarrassing you know that you would try to lead me astray as if i didn't know that charles

[47:52] nelson riley was the voice of lord the king consort of queen norgana yeah that's

[48:00] lord of course leechman was norga the evil queen in the forest who can turn anything to stone with her thumb

[48:05] chloris leechman yeah and dom de louise we all know was the voice of stanley a troll with a magical

Elliott Kalan

[48:11] green thumb that can grow plants look i mean it's a don bluth film right so dom de louise is gonna be

[48:16] in there yeah yes yeah you're gonna have a little dom de louise they were just friends we's laughing

[48:21] away don and dom they were the they were the party boys of la for a while together you could always find

Dan McCoy

[48:26] them at the snake pit you know when i when i was a kid like i didn't i didn't find dom de louise

[48:32] funny which seems like the perfect time to find dom de louise funny but now that i'm a middle-aged man

[48:37] i kind of find him funny just because the man is working so goddamn hard all the time you respect him

Elliott Kalan

[48:43] you don't you don't think it's that funny but damn it you respect him yeah

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Stuart Wellington

[52:17] steward are you gonna say i'll i'll get to my points i was going to say uh you could put together a

[52:22] website that lists all the famous griffins as well as all the famous newmans

Elliott Kalan

[52:27] yeah and you said i could sell anything anything could i sell like like a like a yeti yes well a

Dan McCoy

[52:35] yeti microphone like a dragon a bad dragon sex toy you know what a basilisk this is my fault for not

[52:45] for an unclear uh phrasing you can sell anything that exists in the world i already have okay that is

Elliott Kalan

[52:53] that i couldn't sell like a magic bean that when you eat it you can change shape to be any member of

[53:00] the three stooges except for curly well wants to be curly you know what you probably could sell it in

Dan McCoy

[53:07] the sense that you could claim that that is the thing but then you'd be committing fraud that's

[53:12] unconnected that's you miss using the product you know like that's that's that's a problem on on your

Elliott Kalan

[53:21] mind so if i'm getting it straight so if i'm getting it straight i can set up a website where

[53:24] i can do just about anything that's within the bounds of the law and the laws of reality yes

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Griffin Newman

[54:14] purchase of a website or domain can i ask you guys this you know we do this little game on uh on the

[54:20] blank check podcast the box office game where i try to guess the top five movies the box office from the

[54:25] weekend of the the film that we're discussing yeah you're very good at it uh and i just was i

[54:30] went on to the troll in central park wikipedia page just randomly after i listed those character names

[54:35] yeah yeah i knew those and then i just felt like looking at the wikipedia page yeah uh do you

[54:41] three gentlemen want to wager guesses as to the final domestic box office gross of a troll in central park

[54:48] this is not opening weekend this is the final total domestic box office after it's after it's

Elliott Kalan

[54:54] complete eight to nine month run in first run theaters in the united states i'm gonna put i'm

Dan McCoy

[54:59] gonna put it in a bid i'm gonna say it's what you're buying when you're buying a troll in central

[55:04] are you buying it i'm gonna make a guess at the don bluth estate sale i'm gonna say it topped out

Griffin Newman

[55:10] at 360 000 okay great guess stewart elliott either of you want to wager a guess i'm gonna say

Elliott Kalan

[55:19] 205 000 it's a while back tickets were a little cheaper october 7th 1994 film was one hour and 16

Griffin Newman

[55:26] minutes long uh of course that's a showing we run time that means that can cut more showings in the

[55:32] prices yeah it does but it also means half the tickets are like half price yeah you know yeah

[55:36] that's true uh stewart do you want to wager a guess we have one guess in the 300 000 one guess

Stuart Wellington

[55:40] in the 200 000 i'm gonna i'm you know what i'm gonna be optimistic i'm gonna say 400 000 wow

Elliott Kalan

[55:47] wait wait can i can i redefine mine i feel like the lower numbers are staked out i'm gonna say

[55:52] 700 million dollars i'm gonna say it was the number one film of that year

Griffin Newman

[55:57] well elliott uh of course i should have said we're doing prices right rules highest without going over

[56:02] closest without going over sorry rather um but it's a shame because otherwise uh all of you were

[56:08] very far off the final domestic total seventy one thousand dollars wow that's gotta hurt

Elliott Kalan

[56:17] to see that number even and know that your movie made it fewer thousand

Dan McCoy

[56:21] thousands but it didn't cost that much to make fewer thousands than uh the the run time the number of

[56:29] minutes in there 76 minutes they so they didn't even make a thousand dollars per minute of film

Griffin Newman

[56:36] wow i'm not gonna budget here but my guess is higher than 71 000 that reminds me of the time i think

Elliott Kalan

[56:45] i've talked about this on the show before but probably if i did you everyone's probably forgotten

[56:49] it because it's kind of boring that i learned that the chinese movie devils on the doorstep

[56:54] grossed twenty thousand dollars during its american release and i was like i saw that movie so i must

[57:00] have been one of like 1500 people that saw it in the entire united states and i felt like i was in a

[57:05] little club a very exclusive club yeah exclusive club of people who decided to go on opening night

[57:09] to see it at the film forum to see this chinese import that the new york times made it sound like it

[57:14] was a dark comedy it was not a comedy at all it was a very serious movie were you alone in the

[57:20] theater or were there other people there was a small sprinkling of people wow okay were there as many

[57:25] people as there were when i saw the premiere of cowards bend the knee and guy madden showed up to

[57:31] introduce it in person and i think there was probably less than 15 people in the audience i think there

[57:35] were not that many but there were still a few there's a small sprinkling of people you know what they uh

Griffin Newman

[57:40] what they say about troll in social park right once you go troll you never know i mean of course i do

[57:45] but can you enlighten our listeners yeah yeah of course i i and i i'm sorry to bore the listeners with

[57:50] the thing they already know that i'm about to just repeat on my uh only approximately 7 000

[57:55] people ever saw troll in central park in theaters but every single one of them went on to write a

Dan McCoy

[58:00] great rock album oh yeah you know it's funny that there's been so much troll in central park uh talk

[58:09] because i remember very distinctly um voting for don bluth and you guys as brackets and oh yeah for what

[58:17] to cover and uh marie bardie being on twitter being like why are you why are you not cases voting for tom

[58:25] bluth and i'm like look i would love to hear this like when is anyone going to talk about don bluth

[58:32] to the degree that i want to hear a podcast talk about don bluth and and look one of the more

Griffin Newman

[58:38] interesting kind of rise and fall film careers yeah match oh i mean yeah from from literally like

Elliott Kalan

[58:44] the golden boy at disney you know yes yes but uh this is interesting as long as we were talking about

[58:49] a troll in central park uh during an episode that probably should have ended some time ago uh

[58:53] i decided to look up uh a gnome named norm uh because only now only now learning that was not an

[59:02] animated film but a live action film okay what was it was that a disgusting animatronic creation

[59:10] someone in a costume it looks like it was directed by stan winston so

[59:14] oh geez but but voiced voiced by rob paulson the great voice actor rob paulson who played

[59:21] arthur on the tick cartoon oh was he he was arthur on the tick cartoon that's right it was two voices

[59:26] it was it was a classic pips situation started it right mickey dolens was season one and then rob

Griffin Newman

[59:31] paulson took over yeah exactly uh i forgot how uh disgusting the gnome named norm looked this is a

Elliott Kalan

[59:38] movie i only knew by title and i'm only realizing now saying but it is it's an amazing i mean because

Stuart Wellington

[59:43] that's a fucking banger of a title right like that is a name that sticks in your head forever yeah

[59:49] you'll be on your deathbed and that'll still be in there for people who i have to assume the only

Elliott Kalan

[59:54] movie where jerry jerry orback and robert zadar are in the same cast and it's very important that i

Dan McCoy

[59:59] you know for people who are listening to this and may not have ever seen a gnome named norm written

[1:00:05] out there is a g before norm so yeah that's the joke that's the joke yeah i just said everybody

[1:00:11] yeah but if you're hearing it you don't know you don't know that's true the full brilliance of a

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:15] gnome named g-norm or a gnome named g-norm it's not how you pronounce things

Griffin Newman

[1:00:20] uh uh wikipedia says a gnome named norm also known in some markets as upworld why even bother if

[1:00:28] you're not gonna fucking call the thing a gnome named norm why bother putting in the theaters this

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:32] is my this is all my only my only suggestion maybe to play devil's advocate is that maybe that was the

[1:00:38] foreign release title in places where the hilarious gnome with a g and norm with a g wouldn't play quite

Dan McCoy

[1:00:43] the same way this is interesting i didn't sorry i mean you probably said this before when you said it

[1:00:49] was live action but this is so much more interesting than i assumed a gnome named norm would be now i kind

[1:00:53] of want to see it the fact that it's directed by stan winston is about a cop

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:57] who teams up with a gnome to solve a murder yeah i was and you know yeah you see the you see the

[1:01:04] pictures of norm i'm assuming is the name i mean the title says it all and you're like wow he's

[1:01:10] really hairy and strange looking what does his whole body look like and when you see his whole body it

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:15] just asks more questions now now you may be asking yourself was a gnome named norm written a gnome named

[1:01:21] norm written and produced by the same man who wrote and produced robin hood prince of thieves well yes of

[1:01:25] course it was of course it was and did that same man also supervise the fight montages in rocky 2 yes of

[1:01:32] course we all know that yeah so he then went on to make a gnome named norm this is like if brian froud

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:37] fell asleep while drawing this no yeah i think i like the spanish name nomo cop the most jesus

Griffin Newman

[1:01:47] i'm realizing i'm realizing i absolutely have been picturing a different movie in my head when i have

[1:01:55] heard a gnome named norm yeah i feel like there was some early 90s disney channel rotation movie

[1:02:02] in which there's like some kind of troll in an office there's a visual i have okay of like a little

[1:02:08] person with an animatronic head or maybe a lot of prosthetic makeup wearing a suit but they have like

[1:02:14] furry hobbit feet and some sort of like brian froud uh face uh but not as horrific as this yeah

[1:02:22] this the buddy cop anthie michael hall thing this was not what i had in mind no and in case you were

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:27] wondering if this came out that the same year that the same cinematographer had king of new york

[1:02:31] uh directed by abel ferrara came out yes it was the same cinematographer same year thank you for

Griffin Newman

[1:02:35] answering all these questions is that the is that what i'm thinking of i'm waiting for like one of

[1:02:42] your listeners to eventually write in and and tell me what this movie is that i'm thinking of but maybe

Dan McCoy

[1:02:47] it is the poster of the gnome mobile has a tall tale about little people and says they cut a timber

[1:02:56] tycoon down to size and it's you know some people like doing like a harrison ford point at some gnomes

Griffin Newman

[1:03:04] this looks very uh darby o'gillis and the little people it's just small people it's just

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:10] actors shrunk down using the magic of uh movies yeah as opposed to a horrific gnome with a with a

Griffin Newman

[1:03:16] with a scary face right and i'm picturing a slightly cuter name gnome in a suit

[1:03:23] sitting behind a desk what is this movie i'm thinking someone please write it i can i know i i

Dan McCoy

[1:03:29] can see it too i see like the vhs cover of this thing yeah okay well that's the cliffhanger that i

[1:03:37] think we should end on uh whole in office movie you know what i'm finding i'm finding a vhs box for

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:44] upworld which has english text on the front says casey's a cop gnomes and norms and gnome together the

[1:03:49] long and short arm of the law so i was wrong that's not the foreign title they just decided i

[1:03:53] guess to i guess maybe they thought they could fool some people at the video store into thinking it

Dan McCoy

[1:03:57] wasn't a norm a gnome named norm that they were that they were renting wow uh sure did was there

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:03] something that you wanted to uh yeah yeah so before uh so thanks so much for joining us griffin this

[1:04:10] has been great my pleasure always a pleasure this uh this mini is part of the flop house podcast uh thank you

[1:04:17] uh so much for listening we're on the maximum fun network it's produced by alex smith say thank you a

[1:04:23] bunch and bye

[1:04:32] and welcome back welcome to this podcast this is the kind rewind the podcast where we recap

[1:04:39] dan and stewart going out to dinner uh with actor richard kind i'm your host wellington joining me is

[1:04:44] dan mccoyn we have two guests as well we got elliott kaylee and griffin newman hey everybody uh dan so

[1:04:50] what do you think of that food it's very very very nice very nice very nice evening but i think what

[1:04:56] people are really looking forward to the meat of this podcast that is not the meat of the meal

[1:05:00] because that was actual meat but the meat of the podcast of course is what did you think of actor richard kind

Dan McCoy

[1:05:07] well uh i'll tell you something i've never seen so much pure joy on someone's face and never taken so

[1:05:13] much joy in someone's reaction as when for whatever reason audrey mentioned us going on the avatar

[1:05:21] uh amusement park ride and richard kind's face getting super serious and super enthused saying that's the best

[1:05:31] ride and uh just like the intensity and clear love for the avatar ride was delightful to see

Griffin Newman

[1:05:40] uh i just want to say that both of you texted me while you were at dinner with richard kind to tell me

[1:05:46] that you were at dinner with richard kind

Dan McCoy

[1:05:50] well you know when you're at when you have dinner with uh someone uh at the level of a richard kind

[1:05:56] you got to let everyone know and i feel like the exact same thing in your position of the people in my

Griffin Newman

[1:06:01] life i'm like griffin really wants to know this yeah and i believe my response was this is the third

[1:06:09] time someone has independently brought up richard kind to me today he's on everybody's lips there's one

[1:06:17] name on everybody's lips and it's kind it had happened in two in-person conversations hours apart the same

[1:06:23] day that you both of you then texted me and said we're at dinner with richard kind right now

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:29] yeah uh what a dream and for me it was uh it was quite it was really great to watch uh my man dan

[1:06:36] mccoy chatting up about theater stuff with richard kind uh smiles all around uh a lot of love uh yeah so

[1:06:44] this has been the kind rewind thanks so much for tuning in bye

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:53] steward i think you showed so such restraint and not bringing that at any point when we were just

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:58] talking about no movies the trick is i forgot about it for a minute maximum fun.org comedy and culture

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