Ep.#466 - The One, with Michael Shanks

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[0:54] A movie so filled with new metal that it is only allowed to see its children on weekends.

[1:15] Hey everyone, welcome to The Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy. Oh hey Dan, I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:30] Dan, Stuart, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Elliot Kalin and I think I have the answers

[1:35] to your problems. Oh that's nice to hear and we are joined today. Wait, wait, wait, I want the answers to my problems.

[1:39] No, you know what, the time is over. Stuart, we're done. Let's move along with your problems.

[1:44] And we are joined today by writer, director of the hit movie, Together. That's right, Michael

[1:49] Shanks is here. Hey guys, great to be here. Long time, first time. Love the show. Oh thank you.

[1:56] That was the most professional a guest has ever introduced themselves. I'm very impressed.

[2:01] I aim to please. Elliot has not had the pleasure in person yet, but we had a good time here in

[2:08] Brooklyn, getting to meet Michael when he was promoting his movie, Together, and going out and

[2:14] having a bunch of tequila and soda. Yep, and Dan is still shaking from the moment when

[2:20] Alison Brie touched him on the arm. He wheezed my shoulder briefly. I'm sure that's true because

[2:26] Dan sent me a message afterwards saying, thanks for making that happen.

[2:30] You know, there's a tone of voice that you're adding.

[2:36] Yeah, normally it was actually way creepier in his head.

[2:38] No, I imagine the message was like, oh, thanks for making that happen. Oh boy, oh geez.

[2:47] And this is a, we're going back in time for this. So what happened was we were drinking.

[2:54] So this is a podcast. This is a podcast where we watch a bad movie and we talk about it. Stuart,

[2:57] tell the story. Okay, so this podcast where we watch a movie and talk about it. Well,

[3:02] back after watching a screening of Together, we were all drinking at the Brooklyn Inn along with

[3:10] your friend. My friend, Kes. Kes, who is a very tall man. And at a certain point,

[3:16] some guy came up to him and said, mate, we've been taking, I just do an Australian voice when

[3:19] I do a drunk guy, sorry, like, mate, we've been taking bets. How tall are you? And there were a

[3:24] bunch of people staring at him from across the bar. Very rude. Yeah, well, that's, that's the

[3:29] Brooklyn Inn. Sometimes they draw, let's say, a younger crowd who don't know how to behave

[3:33] themselves. I'm assuming they were just surprised because the only Kes they were familiar with was

[3:38] the Kestrel from the movie Kes, which is a cool kid. I will say, I mean, yeah, very hard. Oh,

[3:43] what a sad movie. Clearly a kind of a rude question to ask, but a very striking man,

[3:50] like a, like a, like a barbarian. In that he struck them after they asked the question. Like

[3:54] a romance novel cover of a man. In the style of a barbarian, he struck. Yeah.

[3:59] Uh, yeah, so we- But yes, very handsome, very tall. I don't think that's a new experience

[4:03] for Kes. And just quick shout out to Kes. Actually, uh, 10 years ago, Kes turned me

[4:07] onto the show and I've been listening ever since. Yep, never stopped. Uh, and Kes was there to

[4:11] witness the moment when I said, you should, well, I think I was like five or six drinks in. I'm like,

[4:16] you should totally be on the show and we should do The One. I think we, uh, we were both talking

[4:21] about how great The One is and Dan's like, what? Uh, scoffed, I think. I didn't, I wasn't dubious.

[4:26] I've just, I never had gotten around to seeing The One. And I'd only seen it once in the theater

[4:32] because, you know, it's called The One. So I figured I could only watch it the one time.

[4:36] It, uh- That's the instruction. Yeah, it struck me and I was like, I need to, like,

[4:40] this movie was great. And so I was very nervous to rewatch it because, you know,

[4:44] when you watch a movie from what, 24 years ago? Yeah, you were like, I can only watch this movie

[4:50] once every 24 years. Otherwise they'll overwhelm me too much. That's the thing. I mean, you have

[4:55] movies like that. There's some movies that I've watched and I'm like, like, I really want to

[4:58] rewatch. I saw the TV glow, but I'm like, the first time I watched it was super intense. I

[5:02] don't know if I'm ready to do it again. Yeah, I mean, I remember when- On a Tuesday.

[5:06] I'm just a lazy Saturday sitting around. My, I remember a friend of mine seeing Irreversible in

[5:10] the theaters and saying, it was great. I'm never going to watch it again. And I was like, yeah,

[5:13] I understand that. Yeah. Yeah. I just watched, uh, Salo or 120 Days of Sodom in the theater.

[5:21] And I was like, yeah, yeah. Just, just caught a matinee of that one.

[5:26] It was the early day showing where you can bring toddlers. It's okay if they talk.

[5:29] Yeah, open captions. Yeah, the moms and babies screening.

[5:35] So yeah, it was the moms and babies. So what was, where was this? I assume this was a special

[5:39] screening. It's not having another limited run or something. Yeah, I don't think so.

[5:43] I don't think it's being rebooted anytime soon. It was a CinemaNova in Melbourne doing a

[5:48] retrospective. Oh, cool. That would be a very, that would be a very funny thing if they're like,

[5:51] we're running out of IP. I guess we got to do Salo. I could imagine somebody like Parker Finn

[5:58] or like doing it. Somebody that's got kind of a, like a horror sensibility. That's sort of

[6:02] got a bit of like a prankster heart as well. Ari Aster maybe producing. Yeah. One of the,

[6:08] or one of the many provocateurs working in cinema these days, they're like,

[6:12] what if there were 121 days?

[6:18] Too long. Okay. It was better when it was Salo or the 120 days of summer.

[6:26] I mean, I don't know. I can talk a bit about my history with the one, which is,

[6:31] it was my memory that I brought it up. I'm not trying to claim responsibility. I was,

[6:35] except for the fact that I was worried that maybe it was my fault if you watched this and

[6:38] hated it. But my memory of this film was that it came out when I was 10 and I saw the trailer and

[6:44] I was so excited because in the trailer there was this shot that had this, we'll talk about it,

[6:49] this kind of mixed time remapping bullet time shot and Jen Lee was in it, who I thought was

[6:55] the coolest guy. And then I watched it at a sleepover at my friend Flynn Hargreaves house

[7:02] in Williamstown. I feel like the audience needs to like cast of characters for everyone in

[7:11] Michael's life that is getting mentioned tonight. We'll hand out a little pamphlet like a dune.

[7:16] It was a kid named Jerry Tonkin Hill that I barely remember, but I've always thought that

[7:20] was a fun name. And I believe we rented this in like a, we went out to Blockbuster or Video Easy

[7:24] and got this and Jimmy Neutron. Video Easy is a great fucking name.

[7:30] Yeah, that was the other Blockbuster kind of competing franchises down here.

[7:35] And I watched this and Jimmy Neutron and I remember being a little disappointed by both,

[7:39] really disappointed by Jimmy Neutron. I'd kind of forgotten everything about the one except for

[7:45] the cool bullet time and the amazing final moment, which we'll get to. But I went to re-watch the

[7:54] final moment after watching the whole film the other day and the bar on my YouTube history was

[8:00] fully red. I've definitely watched that final shot multiple times. It's weird when you see a

[8:06] movie that seems to be like, it's only in the last minute that it's like, here's the movie.

[8:11] And you're like, wait, what? Oh yeah. The final movie I want to see the whole time.

[8:15] Yeah. And it's like the end of what, Dead or Alive or any of those other movies where you're like,

[8:22] holy shit, where was this movie where they're pulling like balls of light out of their chests?

[8:25] Yeah. Okay.

[8:28] Because of the age that I am, I'm just, I'm quite nostalgic for like, like new metal cinema,

[8:34] going back to things like The One or like Underworld or like House of Wax,

[8:38] just there's a certain era of like early 2000s, leather coats and Papa Roach, just kind of.

[8:47] What makes the recent Crow remake such a bummer for me is because I'm like, you should have just

[8:52] swapped the fucking soundtrack with this stuff, like throw in maybe some

[8:55] deft tones for the love scenes, but like, instead of like, whatever, you know, whatever.

[9:01] It's funny because it's Michael, the way you feel about that, because I'm a little bit older than

[9:03] you is the way that I feel about like mid nineties stuff where it's like, oh yeah,

[9:08] all this stuff where the internet, they didn't really know what it was. You know, this is great.

[9:12] All this glowing blue and gray and stuff. Yeah. No, I agree with you, Elliot. Although like I

[9:17] find as I get older, my window of nostalgia grows, like stuff like what Michael's talking

[9:23] about is like stuff that like drove me nuts at the time. And now I'm like, oh, it's like,

[9:27] it's like a hot, warm bath. It's like a limp biscuit. Once it's no longer current and therefore

[9:35] not a thing that you have to have like a real opinion on, it's so much, I like the, I'm working

[9:40] on something right now that has a lot of nineties music in it. And it's like, yeah, well, we

[9:45] definitely need to try to put in this song that I hated when it was new. Like you have to have it

[9:49] in there. So, well, yeah, I mean, it's also like the degree to which it's like shoved in your face

[9:53] versus like now I'm choosing to shove it in my own face. So Dan, did you

[10:00] Consent, Dan. You're right. It's very important.

[10:02] Do you have any experience with The One, either when it came out or afterwards?

[10:06] My memory of it was just that I was like...

[10:08] What's your favorite Jet Li movie of all time, Dan?

[10:13] I don't know that I've seen a lot of Jet Li.

[10:15] Don't say Lethal Weapon 4.

[10:16] He was in that. I remember he was in Unleashed slash Danny the Dog.

[10:22] And that's where he's literally a freak on a leash.

[10:24] Yeah, that's true.

[10:25] Not even like one of the Once Upon a Time in China movies or anything like that?

[10:27] I haven't seen them, no. I know I must have seen him in, you know, foreign language pictures.

[10:33] Hero, maybe?

[10:34] But, uh...

[10:35] Yeah.

[10:35] No.

[10:36] I've never seen Hero in the theater. That one's great, yeah.

[10:38] Yeah. Okay, so...

[10:39] I remember seeing Romeo Must Die, which I think it features Ja Rule, maybe?

[10:44] It does.

[10:44] Or he just delivered the soundtrack.

[10:46] Or it's a DX. I can't remember.

[10:47] I used to get that mixed up with Romeo is Bleeding. Romeo's having a hard time of it.

[10:50] Mm-hmm.

[10:51] Yeah.

[10:52] Yeah.

[10:52] I don't think things are going to end well for young Romeo.

[10:55] This is so...

[10:56] And Juliet. Why not and Romeo?

[10:59] I didn't see the one in the theaters, but I remembered so well from the commercials

[11:03] the shot of him picking up that motorcycle and hitting somebody.

[11:06] Yes.

[11:07] Yes, I remember that.

[11:08] Lives up. Still holds up.

[11:10] The one thing I was going to say was, like, my history with it was, like, when I was a kid,

[11:13] I was such a... I was so enthralled to, like, reading Roger Ebert's reviews of things,

[11:19] and he did not like this movie. So I'm like, eh, okay.

[11:23] It didn't speak to me, so I didn't seek it out.

[11:25] But now I'm like, yeah, this is the kind of dumb stuff that I want.

[11:29] I feel like Roger Ebert is a few years away from...

[11:31] There's a review he did whenever... Or maybe it was before this.

[11:34] When did Air Force One come out? Was that in the early 2000s?

[11:36] Or was that in the late 90s?

[11:37] Late 90s.

[11:38] Oh, never mind then.

[11:39] Because he wrote this review of a Gamera movie, and he was like, you know,

[11:44] when you grow up, you think you're supposed to like what are grown-up movies,

[11:48] something like Air Force One.

[11:49] But sometimes you just want to see a giant turtle flying around the screen,

[11:52] and you get bored by something like Air Force One.

[11:54] And I feel like he's swung back and forth between that feeling and the...

[11:58] Something like the one was like, ugh, gross, dumb, you know?

[12:01] I mainly feel like it would be weird if Air Force One came out, like, shortly after 9-11, right?

[12:08] Wouldn't that have been weird?

[12:09] Yeah, surely.

[12:09] It would have been weird. It would have been very weird, yeah.

[12:11] I do feel that part of the problem is at the time...

[12:13] Unlike this movie, which came out almost two months from 9-11.

[12:18] Like, as we were saying...

[12:20] It came out November 2nd, it says.

[12:22] So it was a little bit less than a month after 9-11, so...

[12:25] As we were saying about, like, what's getting shoved in your face, like, at the time,

[12:28] I feel like this was very much, like, looked at as like, oh, it's chasing the Matrix,

[12:32] but without, like, the headiness, without the, like, the skill that is shown in that movie,

[12:38] you know?

[12:38] So, like, people were down on it.

[12:40] Whereas now, as it stands alone, I'm like, yeah, like,

[12:43] this is a movie where, like, Jason Statham is in it.

[12:45] And that's the level I'm taking it at.

[12:47] And Delroy Linda.

[12:49] I mean, you do point...

[12:50] You said that without the skill, which is true.

[12:52] However, it does have a skill that I feel like the Matrix does not quite have,

[12:56] and that is Jet Li's incredible martial arts abilities.

[12:59] Well, we'll talk about that.

[13:00] I feel like the problem with a movie like this is that it undervalues and undercuts

[13:03] Jet Li's actual martial art prowess with all the effects and stuff like that.

[13:08] Okay, so let's get into the movie, why don't we?

[13:11] So we open up with...

[13:12] Let's do it.

[13:12] We get an open...

[13:14] We open with, like, a text sequence that kind of feels like a...

[13:18] Like, you're at a seminar and they're explaining things to you.

[13:21] It feels like you're at a planetarium.

[13:23] Yeah.

[13:25] Like, the trailer had started playing.

[13:26] I'd rented the wrong thing.

[13:29] Or, like, an ad for another movie.

[13:31] Like, here's an Apple TV show that you're going to want to...

[13:34] That we're going to advertise for you before the movie starts.

[13:36] It's very...

[13:37] It's weird to start a movie this way, but Stuart, describe.

[13:39] So, like, yeah.

[13:40] So the text keeps, like, appearing on screen.

[13:43] It's kind of like a blue background, like a screensaver.

[13:47] And the opening text explains that, you know, we live in a multiverse.

[13:51] It's not just a singular dimension, but many dimensions.

[13:55] Something that is, nowadays, does not need explaining anymore.

[13:59] Every movie, every action movie takes place in the multiverse.

[14:02] I mean, every movie, period, takes place in the multiverse.

[14:04] I feel like the next fucking Fast and Furious,

[14:07] they're going to have, like, a multiverse or something, right?

[14:10] Family is multidimensional.

[14:12] I forgot who was...

[14:13] I forgot who was telling me that their theory about the next Fast and Furious

[14:16] is that they are building up to a multiverse time travel story

[14:19] so that they can go back in time and have Paul Walker in it again.

[14:22] And Vin Diesel will meet himself in the past

[14:25] and can reflect on how much he's changed over the course of the movie.

[14:27] That's actually a really good idea.

[14:29] I think they're going to do it.

[14:30] But I think now you'd have to...

[14:31] Let me just...

[14:32] The movie that has an opening once it goes...

[14:33] The opening to a movie, you have to say,

[14:35] there is one universe, just one.

[14:37] Decisions are irrevocable.

[14:39] There's only one of you.

[14:40] You are unique.

[14:42] This is that story.

[14:43] And don't try and fly super fast

[14:45] and make the world go backwards and go back in time.

[14:47] That doesn't work here either.

[14:48] It doesn't really work that way.

[14:50] That's not how time works.

[14:51] Yes, gravity does bend space-time

[14:53] because it is one fourth-dimensional fabric,

[14:55] but not in the way that they do it in that other movie.

[14:57] You know the one I'm talking about.

[14:59] I do think it's funny that...

[15:00] Our story begins with...

[15:01] Yeah.

[15:01] We had to, like, build up to the current multiverses we have,

[15:04] like, the infinite multiverses,

[15:06] because this one's just, like, the cut rate was like,

[15:08] yeah, there's 125 of them.

[15:10] But, I mean, in the face...

[15:11] It is very funny, yeah.

[15:12] This idea hadn't been done...

[15:13] We figured out how many universes.

[15:14] It's 125.

[15:15] That's it, yeah.

[15:16] This movie had...

[15:17] Like, that idea hadn't been done to death yet.

[15:19] That's true.

[15:20] Absolutely.

[15:21] Not in the movie.

[15:22] It's crazy that, like, the Jason Statham,

[15:25] like, Delroy Lindo characters will get to...

[15:28] That is something that's so...

[15:29] And, like, I haven't watched it for years,

[15:30] but, like, Rick and Morty, this sort of, like,

[15:32] we've got to contain, like, police the multiverse.

[15:34] Same in, like, Loki and that kind of thing.

[15:37] Yeah.

[15:37] Yeah, so their characters...

[15:38] What are your own ideas now?

[15:39] Their characters, Rodiker and Funch,

[15:42] are members of the MVA, or Multiverse Authority,

[15:47] who are trying to keep the, like,

[15:48] law and order of the multiverse together.

[15:53] But before we get into that,

[15:54] we open in the Anubis universe,

[15:57] and we open in a prison complex

[15:59] with a bunch of kind of sci-fi prison cops

[16:02] led by Dean Norris.

[16:04] Yeah.

[16:04] We're all pretty excited to see him.

[16:06] And there's just, like,

[16:07] little things that make you believe

[16:09] that this isn't the world that we're used to.

[16:11] For instance, President Al Gore on TV.

[16:15] We are introduced to Jet Li

[16:17] playing a character named Lawless,

[16:18] who's in jail,

[16:20] and he's some kind of evil criminal

[16:22] that's being transferred.

[16:23] It's kind of nuts.

[16:24] He's got a scar on his face.

[16:24] You name your kid Lawless,

[16:26] he's going to end up in jail.

[16:27] That's not fair.

[16:28] Yeah.

[16:28] Unless you're Lucy Lawless,

[16:29] so I guess somehow...

[16:30] Yeah.

[16:32] She's on the run.

[16:34] He does have a scar on his face.

[16:35] That's his defining feature.

[16:37] And they, you know,

[16:39] after a little bit of a kerfuffle,

[16:41] they make it out to the parking lot

[16:42] where he is killed by...

[16:45] What?

[16:45] Another Jet Li?

[16:47] This is Gabriel U. Law,

[16:51] an evil multidimensional space-hopping guy

[16:55] who is going through the multiverse,

[16:57] killing all the versions of himself.

[17:00] He escapes the...

[17:02] You saw Highlander.

[17:03] He's like...

[17:03] Yeah, he's like that.

[17:04] And in fact,

[17:05] there's a point where he's listening

[17:06] to various pop music

[17:08] and he turns it off

[17:09] until he gets to heavy metal

[17:10] and then he smiles.

[17:11] I'm like, he's the Kurgan.

[17:12] He is the Kurgan, yeah.

[17:14] Which, I mean,

[17:15] if you're going to rip a fucking movie,

[17:16] rip Highlander.

[17:17] That's not a bad one.

[17:19] Okay, so he escapes the police

[17:22] by running super fast.

[17:25] He is pursued again by Delroy Lindo

[17:27] and Jason Statham with hair.

[17:29] I will say,

[17:30] the super fast effects are very funny.

[17:32] And it has the thing that...

[17:33] I agree.

[17:34] It always happens in movies

[17:35] where someone's supposed to move really fast

[17:37] and the effect is that

[17:38] they look like they're moving slower

[17:39] than a normal person.

[17:40] And it's just like...

[17:42] I don't know what to tell you, movies.

[17:43] Just make him do things faster

[17:45] instead of like, I don't know.

[17:46] The effect is very funny, yeah.

[17:47] Yeah, there's a mix of like...

[17:48] I feel like I have to do sex under it.

[17:51] It has that feeling.

[17:52] It's moving fast, yeah.

[17:54] Yeah, there is a mix of him

[17:55] moving kind of normal speed

[17:57] while everyone around him moves slowly,

[17:59] which is like a bullet time.

[18:00] Yeah.

[18:01] But the funny times

[18:02] are when he's running

[18:03] and all of a sudden,

[18:04] the camera's on

[18:04] and then it's just like,

[18:05] whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.

[18:07] He's in front of just a time-lapsing background.

[18:10] It's so funny.

[18:12] I'd love to just underscore

[18:13] that bullet time effect,

[18:15] which was the thing I remember

[18:16] from the trailer as a kid,

[18:17] I think holds up

[18:18] when he is kind of punching a guy

[18:20] and then he goes slow-mo

[18:21] so he gently sprints away.

[18:23] And I love the moment

[18:26] Yulan appears,

[18:27] it drops straight into Drowning Pool's bodies.

[18:30] And it's like,

[18:31] oh, this era has arrived.

[18:34] It really woke me up.

[18:35] I was very, very excited

[18:37] by this opening scene.

[18:38] Yeah, that's like,

[18:40] that needle drop alone,

[18:41] I'm like, hell yeah.

[18:42] We're almost at the best one in the movie,

[18:44] but it's incredible.

[18:47] It is the movie is shouting at you.

[18:48] It looks like the future,

[18:49] but it's 2001.

[18:50] Yeah.

[18:51] There was also a slight economy

[18:53] to the way they introduce Yulan

[18:55] that I quite appreciate it.

[18:57] It's like a simple trick.

[18:58] But the opening five minutes

[19:00] is just people gearing up like badasses,

[19:02] putting on armor

[19:03] and like taking all the precautions.

[19:04] And then you meet Jet Li.

[19:06] So like, oh, that's a badass guy.

[19:07] Like they need all these guys to protect him.

[19:09] And then a different Jet Li

[19:10] immediately kills that guy.

[19:12] So you're like,

[19:12] this guy's even the bigger main boss of the video game.

[19:16] Yeah, it's great.

[19:17] And he is,

[19:19] you know, it's a science fiction movie

[19:21] because Jason Statham has long flowing hair.

[19:25] And they managed to track him down

[19:27] to where there's a,

[19:29] they track him down

[19:30] to where there's a wormhole opening up

[19:33] to travel to a different dimension.

[19:34] And they kind of hijack it

[19:36] using their own technology.

[19:37] And they all get sucked through a portal.

[19:40] That's Delroy Lindo, Jason Statham and Jet Li

[19:42] all get sucked through a portal

[19:43] into the multiverse authority building

[19:46] where they're all kind of fucked up.

[19:47] I do kind of like that

[19:48] when they go through the wormhole,

[19:49] they're all like pretty fucked up for a bit.

[19:51] It looks so painful.

[19:53] It looks like it hurts so much.

[19:54] And why would anyone ever do this?

[19:56] And that was a cool effect.

[19:58] But it wasn't just like,

[19:59] they didn't look.

[20:00] Cool. It looked like this is a terrible thing to have to go through.

[20:03] And they just end up all rolling around on the ground, screaming like babies.

[20:06] Like it was great.

[20:07] We learned why you would want to do that, because we find out that you law

[20:11] has been traveling to other dimensions, murdering other versions of himself.

[20:15] And we see a parade of other Jet Li outfits with different haircuts.

[20:20] It's so funny. It's so great.

[20:22] Jet Li, a man who like, I would argue, has limited

[20:27] a motive range.

[20:29] Yes. I know it's funny to see him in a bunch of different outfits.

[20:34] And I think working in English really highlights, I think,

[20:37] what that the limitations of that, you know, Steve Koscianski,

[20:40] I assume, saw that I logged this on my letterbox and sent me a photo

[20:45] of one of the Jet Li with dreads.

[20:47] Yeah, the red one.

[20:49] He's just like grinning.

[20:50] He's like so happy to have these dreads.

[20:53] The one of him in a blonde wig really got a laugh out loud for me.

[20:57] I was rereading the Wikipedia summary, and I think it says

[20:59] one of the Jet Li's is a Rastafarian.

[21:03] He's got dreads.

[21:04] They list that.

[21:05] I think the Wikipedia entry lists the characters in the movie,

[21:09] and it lists Jet Li and all of these variants.

[21:12] And I'm like, he doesn't really play them.

[21:14] He stood in front of a blue screen and they put different wigs on him

[21:18] and wrapped it up in 20 minutes.

[21:19] In the same way that I played an old time gunslinger

[21:22] when I had a novelty photo taken at a state fair, you know,

[21:26] where I put a hat on, you know.

[21:27] You are wanted dead or alive, though.

[21:29] Yeah, that's because on a steel horse I ride.

[21:31] That's the thing.

[21:32] And they say, you should ride a real horse, not a steel horse.

[21:34] And I go, no, I'm riding the steel one.

[21:37] Thank you.

[21:38] Yeah, this is why there's 125 worlds, though, I assume,

[21:42] because as we all know, there are just 125 types of people.

[21:44] Although I guess I guess there's one world that doesn't have one of them in it.

[21:49] There's the Jet Li-less world, which we'll get to eventually.

[21:52] The wig shop had 125 wigs and they're like, got to call it here.

[21:55] I would argue that one, one of the Jet Li's got killed by Yu-La.

[22:00] That's why he's famous.

[22:01] I would like to believe that much as much as Star Wars aliens,

[22:05] they all do the same job.

[22:06] Every member of that species, that on each of these earths, everyone has dreads.

[22:10] There's another one.

[22:11] Everyone's a surfer.

[22:12] There's another one where everyone's a murderer.

[22:14] I think that's a Rick and Morty bit right there.

[22:17] Okay, so we learned that he has been traveling, murdering these versions of himself,

[22:21] because by killing them, he kind of absorbs their energy Highlander style.

[22:25] Does that make sense?

[22:26] No, not really, but we know what the plot of the movie is at this point, right?

[22:30] But also he doesn't, he doesn't seem to like absorb it directly.

[22:34] It's more that that energy gets dispersed in amongst the remaining Jet Li's.

[22:38] There's a certain amount of, Jason Statham explains it very clearly later on,

[22:42] that everyone is connected with their variants and there's a certain amount

[22:45] of limited energy that everyone shares together.

[22:47] It's just like, I assume it's a reference to John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath,

[22:50] where they talk about how there's just one big soul and we just have a piece of it.

[22:54] And so whenever, so whenever he kills one of his variants,

[22:59] all the other variants get a little bit stronger too.

[23:01] And now finally, when there's just him and Gabe, then they're both...

[23:05] Gabriel Law, yeah.

[23:06] Gabriel Law, they're finding they're both super strong, super fast, et cetera, you know.

[23:11] Okay, so, but let's cut back to you, Law.

[23:13] We're currently at the Multiverse Authority.

[23:16] He is being sentenced to be sent to the Stygian universe.

[23:20] Sounds bad.

[23:21] To like exile on a prison planet.

[23:23] So they strap him to a chair and they're about to send him through a wormhole.

[23:27] There's an audience, like people come in to watch this happen.

[23:29] And one of those audience members, that's right,

[23:32] it's Carla Gugino in kind of a space dress.

[23:35] And she is, she is of course introduced butt first,

[23:37] because this is a classy movie.

[23:39] Yeah.

[23:39] Is this a space dress or is this really tight?

[23:41] Is it a tight dress?

[23:42] I thought it was like kind of futuristic era.

[23:44] But she does have space shoes because they have a hidden compartment

[23:46] that hides a mouse inside it.

[23:49] So, yes.

[23:50] This is the silliest plan, to free a mass murderer from his fate.

[23:54] I love it so much that she shows up and during this,

[23:58] during this procedure, I guess,

[24:00] where they're going to send him through, he's sentencing,

[24:02] a little door opens in the back of her platforms,

[24:06] which I guarantee you can buy those exact same shoes down the street.

[24:10] I mean, in that universe, sure.

[24:11] I don't know about this universe.

[24:12] And a little mouse with a needle strapped to it

[24:17] comes wandering out of her shoe and walks up to the glass,

[24:22] at which point gently winks.

[24:25] And then we get the needle drop from disturbs down with the sickness.

[24:29] Down with the sickness, yeah.

[24:30] And it is.

[24:31] It kicks in with the ooh, wah, ah, ah, ah.

[24:32] Ooh, wah, ah, ah.

[24:33] And just drops.

[24:34] That is pure cinema to me.

[24:36] You cannot show me a better example of movie making.

[24:39] Yeah, it's right up there with the stand up and cheer moment of 2001.

[24:44] And then, of course, the mouse explodes, blowing the window out.

[24:48] Stuart, it's right up there with the cat going to Harry Lyme's shoes

[24:51] and the light from the from the window revealing that it's Orson Welles himself,

[24:55] Harry Lyme in The Third Man.

[24:57] It's just right up there.

[24:58] Yeah. Yeah.

[24:58] Pure cinema. Yeah.

[24:59] The storytelling.

[25:01] There's something that I'm confused about in this scenario.

[25:05] It's not what you might think.

[25:06] In The Third Man?

[25:07] Anyway, so Joseph shows up in Vienna.

[25:09] He thinks his friend Harry has been killed, right?

[25:12] I think that's where you're probably going.

[25:14] Yeah, you've been calling it a zyther all of a sudden.

[25:15] Yeah, yeah.

[25:17] That seems wrong.

[25:18] It's a silly name for a thing.

[25:19] No, it's Carl Eugenio.

[25:22] It's like, yeah, it's Carl Eugenio.

[25:24] What's the problem?

[25:26] Well, I guess the idea is like across the universes,

[25:29] they these two are together in different versions.

[25:32] Right. Yeah.

[25:32] But he just arrived in this universe.

[25:34] Like which version of Carl Eugenio is this?

[25:36] This is his home universe.

[25:37] Oh, yeah.

[25:38] I learned that he was a multiverse authority.

[25:40] He was an agent of the multiverse.

[25:42] Yeah. Thank you.

[25:43] But he learned all this stuff.

[25:44] And he's like, I'm going to be the best.

[25:45] You know what?

[25:46] No objections to this screenplay at all anymore.

[25:48] It all makes sense.

[25:49] It all hangs together.

[25:51] A couple of notes on the mouse quickly.

[25:53] Did everybody else notice it had giant testicles?

[25:55] Like, that was not something I noticed.

[25:58] I think I was watching it on an iPad.

[26:00] That's why I didn't notice that.

[26:02] Do you think they cast the mouse

[26:06] because of its testicles or in spite of?

[26:08] Oh, I think it was a real casting couch situation for sure.

[26:11] Yeah. Yeah.

[26:12] Or do you think they had to make some prosthetics?

[26:14] You have some experience making prosthetic mouse testicles, right?

[26:17] I've got experience with prosthetic genitals.

[26:19] Yeah, they look disgustingly real to me.

[26:22] Yeah, it's such a crazy plan because there's no reason,

[26:25] as said, for it to be a mouse.

[26:27] It moves from her shoe to her feet and then explodes.

[26:31] Do you think she could have just taken a gun

[26:34] out of her shoe?

[26:35] Absolutely.

[26:36] Do you think they tried a gun or a grenade?

[26:39] And they're like, this doesn't work.

[26:41] Hey, my friend has this mouse with enormous testicles.

[26:44] It feels like for a moment, for one day, David Lynch was on the set

[26:48] and they were like, we don't know how to free Jelly from the seals.

[26:51] Why don't you have her shoe open up?

[26:53] And a mouse with big balls comes out and then he blows up.

[26:56] And they're like, David, you're a genius.

[26:58] We got to do it.

[27:01] See, the thing is, like a gun would have set off the metal detector,

[27:04] but an exploding mouse doesn't.

[27:06] You're right. She doesn't have metal shoes.

[27:08] She doesn't have metal shoes.

[27:09] Yeah, I mean, this is an era where there was like metal buckles on everything.

[27:13] And I guess they didn't have...

[27:16] I don't know what kind of X-ray technology they send them through,

[27:18] but it doesn't detect mice, you know?

[27:21] The outfit she wears as well is just like immediately like,

[27:24] oh, she is she is the villain of this scene.

[27:26] Like she comes in like an absolute sci-fi femme fatale.

[27:31] Yeah. Yeah.

[27:32] OK, so he he used this distraction to blast some cops

[27:37] and then he reprograms the wormhole machine to send him

[27:40] to the last remaining universe.

[27:42] I think it's the...

[27:44] I wrote it down, but I can't read it.

[27:45] It's the Cheris universe.

[27:46] He goes to the Cheris universe where the last remaining variant is at.

[27:51] That's right. Gabriel Law.

[27:53] Let's find out how this goes down.

[27:55] I want to take a moment.

[27:56] We've we've said the names Gabriel Law and Gabe Ulaw.

[28:01] Ulaw, yeah, Ulaw.

[28:02] So someone on Letterboxd pointed out that the the difference

[28:07] between those names adds up to Real U.

[28:10] Oh, let me just see.

[28:13] This movie is smart.

[28:15] Let me schedule a therapy appointment for tomorrow.

[28:18] My mind is blown.

[28:19] You'll notice that the criminal who gets killed in the beginning is named Lawless.

[28:22] So and he's named Law.

[28:25] OK, OK, hold on.

[28:27] You know what? You're right.

[28:28] It doesn't make any sense.

[28:30] Little is mouse blowing.

[28:32] It's not quite at the level, not quite the level of the names in War of the Worlds,

[28:35] which are some of my favorite

[28:37] ridiculously on the nose character names that we've seen in a while.

[28:40] I was just thinking of War of the Worlds, the Jeff Wayne musical from the 70s,

[28:43] because Ulaw is the exact sound of the heat ray

[28:47] that comes out of the Martians thing.

[28:49] So every time that comes up, I think of that for any Jeff Wayne hits out there.

[28:54] Right in.

[28:55] So this is when...

[28:57] Tell me who Jeff Wayne is.

[29:00] You know, the musical War of the Worlds? So good.

[29:02] Yeah, I feel like that's right up your alley.

[29:04] It's like science fiction.

[29:05] It's old timey.

[29:06] I remember I remember seeing that on a the first time I ever saw that album

[29:10] was at my dad's friend's house.

[29:12] And I was just like, what is this?

[29:14] And they refused to play it.

[29:15] So it was years later that I finally got to hear it.

[29:17] You blow your mind too much, kid.

[29:19] You're not ready.

[29:20] Yeah. So many Ulaws.

[29:23] So this is when Jason Satham and Delroy Lindo

[29:28] are after in hot pursuit.

[29:30] Again, they're the only two people they send,

[29:32] even though there's like a multiverse spanning threat

[29:35] to explain their roles real quickly.

[29:37] Delroy Lindo, of course, is the like old grizzled veteran.

[29:40] And Jason Satham is like, yeah, yeah.

[29:42] Is like the young hothead.

[29:44] He's a hothead because, of course, he's got so much hair on his head.

[29:47] It's making him hot.

[29:49] I mean, the same thing happens to my younger son.

[29:51] He wants grows hair long.

[29:52] He gets overheated. He gets sweaty.

[29:54] He should have a short haircut. Yeah.

[29:56] And they luckily traveled to a multiverse that use a different universe.

[30:00] Everyone speaks the same language, which is really great.

[30:03] Although, actually, there's some Chinese spoken in the Charis universe between Gabriel Law

[30:07] and his wife, TK, of course, played by Carla Gugino.

[30:12] Thank you.

[30:13] This is good, Carla Gugino.

[30:14] What I love is her name is TK, which makes me think that they didn't put a first name

[30:17] into the script.

[30:18] Sorry, that's what...

[30:19] I was distracted.

[30:20] I couldn't answer.

[30:21] Stewart gestured to me for the name, Carla Gugino, and I was thinking about TK.

[30:27] I was thinking of Tonki Kong the whole time.

[30:29] Oh, wow.

[30:30] I was like, is that like a telekinetic?

[30:33] Like why is that written down?

[30:34] Okay.

[30:35] Okay.

[30:36] Well, when we get to this universe, though, they recreate the opening scene, but instead

[30:39] of showing Al Gore, we see George Bush.

[30:42] So it's presumably...

[30:43] So we know we're in a good universe.

[30:46] Yeah.

[30:47] It was seeing Al Gore at the beginning of the movie to show that it's an alternate universe,

[30:52] it really punched me in the gut hard when I was watching it this time, because I'm like,

[30:57] yeah, that's when it all started going this way.

[30:59] And you watch it shortly after Tuesday's election results, so you're still reeling after your

[31:04] boy Andrew Cuomo lost.

[31:07] Your favorite.

[31:08] No, I was a slew ahead all the way.

[31:11] Come on, if you've got a shiny jacket and a beret, you should be the mayor of New York

[31:16] City.

[31:17] Exactly.

[31:18] He battled his way all the way there.

[31:20] Okay.

[31:21] Yeah.

[31:22] This is all very relevant jokes for our guests.

[31:26] I'm sure you're very aware of Curtis Lee was history walking around on the street, bothering

[31:30] homeless people.

[31:31] Yeah, yeah, sure.

[31:32] No, of course.

[31:33] Yeah.

[31:34] And he loves cats.

[31:35] Okay.

[31:36] He does love cats.

[31:37] He had an old cat tie that he was wearing that night.

[31:38] So, as Michael said, we we arrive in the chair's dimension and we have a like a mirror image

[31:45] of the opening sequence, although there are some subtle differences, i.e. there's no Dean

[31:50] Norris and instead of saying about the universe, the movie takes place in.

[31:55] It's Dean Norris-less.

[31:56] Put a no in Norris.

[32:01] And in this case, we find out that Jet Li's character, Gabriel Law, is actually working

[32:06] for the L.A. Sheriff's Department.

[32:08] He's not the criminal.

[32:09] No, he is a gang member because he's in the sheriff's office because the L.A. Sheriff's

[32:14] Office is riven with gangs.

[32:16] Yeah, you're right.

[32:17] Now that I'm a little more aware of.

[32:18] Oh, wow.

[32:19] I'm surprised that made it over there.

[32:20] Yeah.

[32:21] He's seen, you know, he's seen like, I don't know, like Assault on Precinct 13 and stuff

[32:26] like that.

[32:27] Right.

[32:28] Yeah.

[32:29] Yeah.

[32:30] Sure.

[32:31] Sure.

[32:32] So the during this prisoner transfer, an attack happens.

[32:33] Everybody assumes they're attacking the prisoner.

[32:35] But no, this is you law.

[32:37] He's arrived and he's attacking Gabriel Law.

[32:40] But Gabriel Law has the upper hand, not the upper hand, but he has almost like a sixth

[32:44] sense because, as we mentioned, he has gained some of the energy from all the dead Jet Li's

[32:49] in the universe.

[32:51] Makes you wonder why Lawless didn't gain any of that dead Jet Li energy.

[32:54] He probably did, but he just wasted it.

[32:56] Yeah, I guess that's true.

[32:57] Yeah.

[32:58] Well, he's such a.

[32:59] Well, Lawless does, because whilst he's walking down the sort of the Green Mile or whatever

[33:04] the line of cells, he kicks some of the bars and they bend.

[33:09] And I'm like, oh, he does have the power.

[33:11] Yeah.

[33:12] He is he the one of the three.

[33:15] OK, so I'm like, I keep just want to say Jet Li, but there's like so many Jet Li.

[33:22] Yeah.

[33:23] There's a Rastafarian.

[33:24] So.

[33:25] So, Gabe.

[33:26] It's OK.

[33:27] There's two living.

[33:28] I'm going to call the good guy Gabe and the bad guy you law.

[33:30] So Gabe chases after you law who's trying to escape because he realized this fight might

[33:36] be a little bit too difficult for me right now.

[33:38] But in the process, he gets shot by you law after jumping over a super high wall, which

[33:43] gives us an indication that they both have superpowers.

[33:46] But before you lock and kill Gabe and become the one he's driven off by our two space cops.

[33:53] That's right.

[33:54] Funch and Rodecker using their like slightly futuristic pistols.

[33:58] And he runs off, I'm assuming, super fast.

[34:01] They have they also they have their their laser pistols and they also have this thing

[34:04] that unfolds to show them where wormholes are opening.

[34:07] And every time they open this thing, I found it so funny.

[34:09] So it looks like a giant space lollipop with a screen on it just opens up every time it

[34:14] like the screen is like a wind amp visualization.

[34:16] It was so 2001 kind of Windows design.

[34:21] It's 100 percent exactly the same shit that like Carl Eugenio was using in Spy Kids made

[34:25] the same year.

[34:26] Wow.

[34:27] So you think she brought it to this set?

[34:29] I can only assume.

[34:30] Well, I guess Robert Rigos is probably working the way he does on a on a shoestring.

[34:34] And so he was like, does anyone have any super technology they could bring to be in Spy Kids?

[34:39] And she's like, you got it.

[34:40] Yes, it is.

[34:41] I like to think that.

[34:42] Yeah.

[34:43] Carl Eugenio just has endless tech items in her.

[34:46] She smuggled it off set in the back of her shoe.

[34:49] The same year as Spy Kids.

[34:52] That has blown my mind as much as anything else I've talked about.

[34:55] What a year for Carl Eugenio.

[34:57] I was just looking up to see if that was the same year that that that what's that her TV

[35:02] show was on.

[35:03] What was the TV show that she did?

[35:04] Well, she was on Spin City as well as Sin City.

[35:08] No, no.

[35:09] She was on both.

[35:10] There was another one where she was the star of it.

[35:11] What's the difference?

[35:12] Sin City.

[35:13] Yeah.

[35:14] Spoon City?

[35:15] Yep.

[35:16] Spoon City.

[35:17] That's what it was.

[35:18] Spoon City.

[35:19] OK.

[35:20] So we have a little after action report.

[35:21] Are you thinking of the Elmar Leonard one?

[35:23] Yes.

[35:24] The one that was she played the same character that was in Out of Sight.

[35:27] Karen Sisco.

[35:28] Yeah.

[35:29] Yeah.

[35:30] That was a couple of years later.

[35:31] But that's the one I was thinking of.

[35:32] So we learn a little bit more about the city, the show about the guy who's the mayor of

[35:37] the spoons.

[35:38] Mayor of Spoon City, Lord of all spoons starring Kate Winslet and Jeremy Renner.

[35:47] Isn't it wild that there's a mayor of Easttown and mayor of Kingstown?

[35:51] Both shows kind of playing like roughly the same time.

[35:53] Well, we ran out of titles.

[35:54] Do you think people get confused?

[35:55] Well, aren't they spelled differently and they mean different things?

[35:58] Yeah.

[35:59] I'm saying it out loud.

[36:01] You'll get confused.

[36:02] OK.

[36:03] Maybe I'm just old.

[36:04] OK, fine.

[36:05] No, I'm I'm on board.

[36:06] No, it's fair.

[36:07] No, it's true.

[36:08] It's true.

[36:09] We'll talk to the title authority.

[36:10] Now that this now this like big opening is done, we get to we get to learn a little bit

[36:15] more about the cherished dimension, the which is our dimension.

[36:20] Our dimension.

[36:21] Yeah.

[36:22] I'm going to keep calm from now on.

[36:23] I'm referring to our dimension is the cherished dimension forever.

[36:26] OK.

[36:27] So we find out that Gabe is married to Carla Gugino, who's a veterinarian, so she can't

[36:32] treat his wounds and they are in love.

[36:36] She can speak.

[36:37] She can speak some what?

[36:38] I think that's Mandarin.

[36:39] I can't tell.

[36:40] I mean, I would guess Cantonese, but I don't know.

[36:43] I don't know enough of it.

[36:44] But I really like that moment that it was a that it was like she can speak Chinese.

[36:49] They speak together very casually.

[36:50] I thought that was really cool.

[36:51] And also they have a really cute wedding photo that they do a close up on.

[36:56] Yes.

[36:57] And I would say, having seen Jet Li in a number of English language movies, this is

[37:00] the most like chemistry and rapport I've seen with him and a potential romantic interest.

[37:07] I'm going to give and more than a leap.

[37:10] I just want to shout out the line when he says, you can fix me up.

[37:16] And she says, hey, newsflash, I'm a vet.

[37:18] You don't have paws and a tail and, you know, in one dimension as best as you can.

[37:25] It's so funny because it's like the human human body and animal bodies are so completely

[37:28] different.

[37:29] We evolved on different planets.

[37:31] Don't you remember that?

[37:32] That's part of the back story is this is a different planet that humans came to.

[37:35] And those are all we're carbon based life forms, all these animals, which looks like

[37:38] dogs and cats are actually nitrogen based life forms.

[37:41] Yeah.

[37:42] It is very funny that she would single out.

[37:43] You don't have positive table as tail as if that's the pertinent thing to like fixing

[37:48] an injury.

[37:49] Like she couldn't just like show him up or whatever.

[37:51] She's like, I learned my lesson.

[37:52] I can't deal with parrots.

[37:54] I cannot deal with snakes.

[37:55] Only things with paws and the tail.

[37:58] Well, it's because if she just said, you know, I'm a vet, that's just too much exposition

[38:02] that you couch it with this really funny guy saying, oh, we got some screenwriters here.

[38:09] Oh, look out, James Wong for, you know, your sins against screenwriting.

[38:13] I'm OK.

[38:14] So she does her best.

[38:15] I won't I won't hear much said against Carla Pugino.

[38:17] Look, she's great.

[38:19] So we learned that like he's been having some weird issues.

[38:24] He had checked himself out of the hospital instead of actually staying there after being

[38:29] almost killed by you long.

[38:31] And he is being kind of quiet about the identity of his attacker.

[38:36] Nobody quite got a good look at him except for Gabe.

[38:39] And Gabe realized that's me.

[38:41] Not just looks kind of like me.

[38:42] That's him.

[38:44] So his wife convinced him to go back to the hospital.

[38:47] It would be so funny if you saw him and he goes, that guy looks just like Jet Li convinced

[38:52] him to go back to the hospital to get checked out, to go get an MRI.

[38:56] That's where he sees his sheriff buddies.

[38:57] And they all like they're pretty like buddy, buddy, right?

[39:00] Like I don't know.

[39:01] Like they feel like, yeah, they all love him, which he's pretty quick.

[39:06] They do turn on him pretty quick.

[39:08] And then he just beats the shit.

[39:09] I was to be fair.

[39:11] I was not.

[39:12] I must have missed some of this movie.

[39:14] I know you.

[39:15] I know you guys.

[39:16] I'm guessing some final judgments that are going to be positive about it.

[39:18] There were times when this movie flowed past my eyes without it really registering past

[39:24] my eyes in my brain.

[39:25] And so by the time that they were on the run trying to get Gabe, I was like, I don't really

[39:30] remember why they're after Gabe.

[39:33] I know what you mean.

[39:34] I, yes, I think that things are generally going to be sort of positive.

[39:39] But this is a less than 90 minute movie and some of it is so fleet that I'm like, I don't

[39:45] know.

[39:46] It is a fast running.

[39:47] You lie.

[39:48] I don't know what's going on.

[39:49] How did we get here?

[39:50] I guess it's not important.

[39:51] There's going to be definitely there definitely were parts of the movie about an hour in where

[39:55] I was like, oh, we're we're a lot farther into this movie than I thought.

[40:00] It's like a child's growing up, you look away for a moment, suddenly they're ready to go home.

[40:05] So she convinced him to go get checked out and go get an MRI.

[40:10] That'll play almost some part into the rest of the movie.

[40:13] So he's getting an MRI.

[40:15] While he's getting his MRI, Eulaw shows up to try and, I don't know, kill him while he's getting his MRI.

[40:22] There's a brief fight and then Rodeker and Funtz show up and there's some blasting.

[40:27] The MRI machine briefly disarms Eulaw by magnetizing his gun out of his hand.

[40:33] There's a lot of jumping and shooting.

[40:37] And the good guy's able to get out of an MRI machine somehow.

[40:41] I was like, as someone who's had his share of MRIs, I don't think you can just push your way out.

[40:47] I 100% think Jet Li could.

[40:49] Yeah, I think the X factor here that we're not thinking about, Dan, is that you're you and he's Jet Li.

[40:54] He's almost the one.

[40:55] He also has the one powers too.

[40:56] He's one of the one.

[40:58] Jet Li is, you know, like a top 1% of most athletic dudes in the universe.

[41:03] He's currently the penultimate.

[41:04] I think so, Dan.

[41:05] We're going to have to have you go to each of the other 124 universes, kill your variants, and then get in an MRI, except for one, and see if you can do it.

[41:13] How are you going to kill him, Dan?

[41:14] Are you going to use, like, bolos?

[41:16] Honestly, I just had the saddest thought.

[41:18] It's almost, like, too sad to, like, put on the podcast, but I'm imagining me coming up and, like, killing the, you know, coming up to myself to kill myself and the other guy being like, oh, okay.

[41:28] That is sad.

[41:30] I thought you were going to say you were going to go up and try to kill him, and the first guy you try immediately kills you.

[41:36] You're done.

[41:37] I'm out.

[41:38] Yeah, what would happen if you, like, found a Dan who's, like, super, like, ripped?

[41:43] Are you implying that this Dan is not super ripped?

[41:46] I mean, more ripped than this Dan.

[41:48] Yeah, exactly.

[41:49] Like, noticeably more.

[41:50] Not, you know, yeah.

[41:51] What about if you found a Dan that could bench over 350, since I know you've been struggling to get to 350?

[41:56] Yeah, you plateau to 345.

[41:58] Mm-hmm.

[41:59] Someday, I'm going to push those points.

[42:00] Oh, that's pounds, not kilograms.

[42:01] Oh, I know.

[42:02] 345 PM.

[42:03] That's really heavy.

[42:04] 345 PM is when he stopped, yeah.

[42:06] Okay, so in the ensuing conflict, there's confusion as to who the attacker is, and all the sheriff's department are like, you know what?

[42:15] Our friend Gabe, he's the problem.

[42:18] He must be the assailant.

[42:20] Maybe he had some kind of a mental break, and they're trying to talk him down, and then he just kind of beats them all up, but he does it, like, disarming style.

[42:28] It's pretty cool, right?

[42:29] I don't want to hurt you.

[42:30] Hey, what's this?

[42:31] Put the handcuffs on you.

[42:32] Handcuffs.

[42:33] Yeah.

[42:34] I thought that was cool.

[42:35] It's like Jackie Chan sort of prop kung fu, which is always fun.

[42:38] You know what?

[42:39] You put your finger on it.

[42:40] It's very Jackie Chan-y, and it means that there's not a lot of effects.

[42:42] It's like close-up magic.

[42:44] He's really doing it with his hands as opposed to stuff where you're like, well, at some point, no matter how good Jet Li is, he can't be in two places at once jumping 50 feet in the air.

[42:54] Yeah.

[42:55] So that has to be some computer's fault.

[42:57] I feel like for the vast majority of the martial arts sequences, they do put a green mask on the stunt performer's face that's fighting opposite Jet Li so they can map his face on there if necessary.

[43:10] But for the most part, it's two guys doing physical stuff as opposed to – I feel like if there was a Marvel movie where this was happening, it would be like we got two wire-framed CGI dudes punching each other.

[43:21] Oh, yeah.

[43:22] There would not be an actual human being.

[43:23] Yeah, it's like that kind of style.

[43:24] Yes.

[43:25] You're right.

[43:26] I thought the Jet Li versus Jet Li stuff looked really good.

[43:29] I thought they did a really good job of making it seem like he was fighting himself.

[43:33] I also later on like when Jet Li beats up Jason Statham very quickly and easily and Jason Statham cannot fight anymore and I'm like, wow, that's before his contract stipulated that he has to win his fights.

[43:42] I was thinking the exact same thing.

[43:44] Jason Statham was not a big enough name yet that he could say I'm not going to lose in this movie.

[43:48] Do you think this is the movie that changed everything for him?

[43:51] That he like took a date to the movie and she was like, ugh, gross.

[43:55] You got beat so bad.

[43:57] I watched the trailer.

[43:58] I watched the trailer after watching the movie and he gets like a solo title card in the trailer, which sort of surprised me at this stage of his career.

[44:05] It was about halfway through the movie where I turned to my partner who was reluctantly watching the movie with me and said, oh, did Jason Statham just try and do American for that line?

[44:14] But he said he's been trying to do it the whole time.

[44:17] And then I realized he was completely failing to do an American accent of consistent.

[44:22] Michael, you have had the you've had the true flop house experience of watching a flop house movie with a reluctant spouse.

[44:31] I almost got to watch it as soon as it finished.

[44:33] What do you think?

[44:34] And she said, wasn't good.

[44:38] I almost got to watch a flop house movie with my spouse recently for flop TV.

[44:41] We did Xanadu recently.

[44:43] My wife was like, oh, I'd watch some of that with you.

[44:45] And then she saw about a minute of it and she's like, actually, I won't.

[44:48] Never mind.

[44:49] I think there's some closets that need to be rearranged.

[44:53] OK, you know what?

[44:54] I think I just have to lie down and stare at the ceiling.

[44:57] Think about whatever.

[44:58] What's that crack doing?

[45:01] Looks like a rabbit.

[45:02] Like that hospital I was in in France as a child.

[45:06] That's like Madeline.

[45:08] So both Gabe and you law managed to escape the hospital.

[45:13] And that means our NBA guys are going to need to split up, even though that goes against protocol.

[45:19] So Delroy Lindo goes after you law.

[45:21] And he says this thing like, well, if you see this thing flash, that means we're both dead.

[45:26] And you have to chase to save them.

[45:27] You have to kill Gabriel law, because if I kill you law, then that means Gabriel law is the one.

[45:33] And we can't.

[45:34] We don't know what's going to happen.

[45:35] No, there must be balance in the universe.

[45:37] If there's just one, the one in the whole universe could explode.

[45:39] It's better if there's two is what they say.

[45:42] Yeah.

[45:43] It takes two, baby.

[45:46] It takes two.

[45:48] Oh, man.

[45:49] And he says, me and you.

[45:50] And Jason Statham is like, wait, but we're not the two.

[45:53] You law and Gabe law are the two.

[45:55] And Delroy Lindo is like, don't worry about it.

[45:56] Don't worry about it.

[45:57] And he walks away.

[45:58] Yeah.

[45:59] Very confusing.

[46:00] Jason Statham catches up with Gabriel law, and he kind of explains the rules of the multiverse.

[46:05] We all know this stuff.

[46:07] He explains that while while Gabe law is walking away from him wanting to be anywhere else, but listening to this explanation.

[46:12] Right.

[46:13] Which I found very funny.

[46:14] Yeah.

[46:15] It's like he just if the only thing that could have made better is every now and then he just went turned back behind himself.

[46:18] Stop talking to me.

[46:19] Stop it.

[46:20] Not interested.

[46:21] Just quickly.

[46:22] One thing that really bugged me.

[46:23] Oh, not bug me.

[46:24] But I was just like, oh, we all know where this is going.

[46:26] It's such like and then the payoff doesn't come for a really long time.

[46:29] Is that when Gabe gets out of his hospital gown, he immediately changes into the exact same outfit that you law is wearing.

[46:38] And so we know that eventually we're going to get the shoot that one.

[46:42] No, shoot that one.

[46:43] But it takes two acts of the movie to get there.

[46:46] And then it's almost immediately done away with.

[46:49] And then, yeah, they don't they don't care right away.

[46:51] But they figured out it's it's it takes you law taking off his shirt for a fight for his outer shirt for no reason.

[46:57] And then right before the moment where it's supposed to happen.

[47:00] I don't remember why Gabe's shirt comes off.

[47:02] But he's on fire.

[47:04] Yes.

[47:05] Take it off.

[47:06] It was such it was a very artificial reason for them to suddenly end up in the same clothes.

[47:10] Well, I really wanted Gabe to be like, hey, one, this is obviously going to happen eventually.

[47:16] I'm just going to put on some lipstick because I really don't think the other guy is going to put on lipstick.

[47:21] And just a little bit funny for the second.

[47:23] Yeah.

[47:25] Crazy over the top lipstick.

[47:27] The other thing is, like, it's a big face tattoo over most of the space.

[47:31] You know, because it's also like if we fall into the ocean, I'll still know I'm me.

[47:35] Yeah. Yeah.

[47:36] If it gets splashed with blood of the battles that we're doing.

[47:39] But the other thing is like that's exclusively for the audience, because it's not like if you're watching two guys fight, you're going to be like,

[47:45] OK, I just got to remember the good one has his kind of shirt tied around his waist for some reason.

[47:51] The other the bad one does not.

[47:53] So if we all get jumbled up that I got to keep this straight right now, I'm not going to do that.

[47:59] OK, unless I guess I'm not.

[48:00] That's probably why I'm not a multiverse agent.

[48:03] OK, so you failed the physical.

[48:06] I failed the physical.

[48:08] Too strong.

[48:09] Thank you.

[48:12] OK, so Rodiker, played by Delroy Lindo, gets the drop on you law.

[48:18] Who's driving what?

[48:19] He's driving like an ambulance.

[48:21] And he's, as I mentioned before, listening to some heavy metal in the English release.

[48:26] It was Sinners by Drowning Pool.

[48:29] But apparently in the Chinese language release, they changed it to a Linkin Park song.

[48:33] So maybe, you know, better for them.

[48:35] Wow.

[48:36] Linkin Park must be huge in China.

[48:38] Where did you find that?

[48:39] You were on the Nu Metal message boards trawling for this trivia or where did this come from?

[48:45] I mean, this is all IMDB.

[48:46] OK.

[48:47] OK.

[48:48] IMNMDB, the Internet Movie Nu Metal Database.

[48:52] OK, yeah.

[48:53] So this is where, you know, they fight.

[48:55] Of course, Yu Law being the two manages to defeat Delroy Lindo.

[48:59] And Delroy Lindo is like, OK, you have two options.

[49:02] I have this live crazy grenade in my hand.

[49:05] You have two options.

[49:07] You either come with me or you die.

[49:09] Of course, Jet Li runs over and snatches the grenade and kills him.

[49:12] And he's like, option three.

[49:14] And you're like, oh, sick.

[49:16] It was so funny to me that he's like, OK, obviously I have you at a disadvantage right now.

[49:20] And it's like he forgets that he's dealing with a superhuman so he can move faster and is stronger.

[49:25] Delroy Lindo, not a surprise, does a great job with not very much.

[49:29] He's an amazing guy.

[49:30] Yeah, he's really good.

[49:31] He kind of sells it by being just he just takes it seriously.

[49:35] He's not overdoing anything.

[49:36] He's not sort of trying to do a wee bit of an American accent like the other guy is.

[49:41] I mean, Delroy Lindo already has an American accent.

[49:43] So he's got that taken care of.

[49:46] He should have tried to do a Cockney accent.

[49:48] That would have been great.

[49:49] That's another thing that this film has in common with Highlander, I thought.

[49:55] Sorry, what were you saying?

[49:57] Oh, this plot is really similar to Highlander.

[50:00] And also, similarly to Highlander, there's lots of people's accents on display.

[50:04] Obviously, Jamie's speaking with his natural accent, and then Jason Statham trying to do

[50:08] it American and not quite getting there in the way that Sean Connery and...

[50:13] Sean Connery's impeccable Spanish accent?

[50:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[50:17] I mean, I respect that.

[50:18] Sean Connery is somehow an Egyptian, an ancient Egyptian who's pretending to be a Spaniard

[50:23] and has the heaviest Scottish accent.

[50:25] It's amazing.

[50:26] Connery just got to a point where he's like, you know what?

[50:28] I'm not doing it.

[50:29] And I'm like, God bless you, Sean.

[50:31] I agree.

[50:34] You can't do it.

[50:35] So just don't.

[50:36] We don't care.

[50:37] No.

[50:38] He was like, I'm just going to be myself.

[50:39] And eventually I will be old enough that I win an Academy Award for just doing myself.

[50:42] And he did.

[50:43] I'm not shocked that Delroy Lindo does a great job.

[50:47] Shocked Connery?

[50:48] That Delroy Lindo does a great job with this, you know, like kind of goofy sci-fi plot.

[50:54] He was so great.

[50:55] Have you guys ever seen the movie Blood of Heroes, also known as Salute of the Jugger,

[51:00] where he plays a post-apocalyptic athlete in a traveling like sports team?

[51:05] No, it's that made up title.

[51:07] I mean, it sounds like a great role for him.

[51:08] It stars Rupert Howard and Joan Shen.

[51:09] If you haven't seen it, I totally I've recommended this probably a million times on the podcast.

[51:15] It's super good.

[51:16] Vincent D'Onofrio is also in it as another member of this traveling sports team where

[51:20] they.

[51:21] OK, so the idea is there's a traveling team that goes from like wasteland settlement to

[51:25] wasteland settlement, and they all they play this game using a dog skull where there's

[51:30] there's two there's two like scores or like runners that fight over the dog skull and

[51:36] try and stick it on the opposing team's spike while the opposing team has guys with like

[51:42] big sticks, kind of like American Gladiators, and then also guys with like chain whips that

[51:47] are trying to keep them from doing that.

[51:49] We're in the inception part of the podcast where the plot has been superseded by a second

[51:54] part of the plot.

[51:55] Yeah.

[51:56] So this this is the flop.

[51:57] How are you?

[51:58] So manuscript all of a sudden we've forgotten the original story and are now onto something.

[52:01] That's because I'm really trying to build up anticipation because as you mentioned, Elliot,

[52:05] we are dealing with a superhuman.

[52:07] And that shit is on full display because after killing Delroy Lindo, some cops show up and

[52:13] Jet Li, a.k.a.

[52:14] Ulaw, in this case, runs over and he punches the cops off their motorcycles and then picks

[52:19] up the motorcycles and starts swatting dudes around like they're baseball bats.

[52:23] And this has to be the best part of the whole movie, right?

[52:25] It's just he's just picking up motorcycles and swinging them around.

[52:28] Yeah.

[52:29] What's the best?

[52:30] The little the mouse that comes out of the mouse coming out of the shoe with the is the

[52:33] best part.

[52:34] Well, that is a good thing.

[52:35] And I love the final shot as well.

[52:37] Final shot.

[52:38] OK.

[52:39] And actually the final shot.

[52:40] I mean, the final shot.

[52:41] It's like it promises a much better movie.

[52:42] We'll get to it.

[52:43] A much better movie than the one we saw.

[52:44] I think.

[52:45] But anyway.

[52:47] Gabe and Gabe and Funch decide to team up because Gabe goes and the movies in the movie

[52:55] are ridiculous.

[52:56] He goes back to their family home with the sheriff's department in tow.

[53:03] And she believes that her husband is injured and hiding inside.

[53:08] But she's not sure.

[53:10] And she sees she actually sees him hiding up in the ceiling.

[53:13] And she but then she suspects, you know what?

[53:16] It's really scary.

[53:17] Like, yeah.

[53:18] Yeah.

[53:19] He's like sticking his little head out through the like attic, like hatchway.

[53:24] And then she sees this.

[53:27] I think this is what happened.

[53:28] She sees her husband outside and she realized that the one she's talking to inside is actually

[53:34] you law.

[53:35] The evil one.

[53:36] After she like tests him with a little classic like, oh, wasn't it great that time we did

[53:42] that thing?

[53:43] Oh, no, no, no.

[53:44] Do you ever think that we'd be in this situation after all those years where we met at the

[53:48] bookshop?

[53:49] I believe is the I would be absolutely fucked if I was in this situation because I have

[53:54] a bad memory and I drink too much.

[53:56] So I'd be like, yeah, whatever, babe.

[53:58] Oh, no, I'm dead.

[53:59] Audrey's constantly being like, do you remember when we had dinner at that restaurant?

[54:03] I'm like, we that's a we were there.

[54:05] We went there.

[54:07] We did.

[54:08] Yeah.

[54:09] This happens.

[54:10] This happens.

[54:11] It's just a part of growing up.

[54:13] You log despite having on him, as we've learned, he's a superhuman.

[54:17] So he blasts a couple of cops and then he turns the gun on T.K. and in front of Gabe

[54:22] Law, he kills T.K.

[54:25] Don't like lost wife.

[54:26] Yeah.

[54:27] Not a fan of that.

[54:28] I was shocked.

[54:29] I really thought that we'd reveal that she wasn't mortally wounded and that she was just

[54:31] she was recovering and she'd kind of reappear.

[54:34] Do you think he did it because he's like, I'm trying to make my girlfriend in the other

[54:38] dimension.

[54:39] The one.

[54:40] Oh, yeah.

[54:41] It's part of the deal.

[54:42] I feel like I feel like I'm from different dimensions.

[54:45] There's like a limited amount of boobs that all everyone needs to mention as this idea

[54:51] of a total recall stripper happened.

[54:54] No, that makes sense.

[54:56] Another woman got killed.

[54:58] This was this was this movie is coming out at a time when not only could you get away

[55:03] with just murdering the the main guy's wife like that, but I think if they didn't do it,

[55:09] they would have been like, this isn't some soft wussy movie.

[55:12] Come on.

[55:13] This is a new metal movie.

[55:14] We've got to do this.

[55:15] And so she's dispatched very casually.

[55:17] It's pretty very it's like a glancing shot to her gut and she just falls out of frame

[55:22] and then it's like by T.K.

[55:23] Yeah.

[55:24] That's a T.K.

[55:25] Oh, that's OK.

[55:26] Yeah.

[55:27] That's a wrap.

[55:28] You know, everybody.

[55:29] Yeah.

[55:30] Thanks.

[55:31] Oh, I mean.

[55:32] Yeah.

[55:33] Wait, wait, wait.

[55:34] Can I see your bag?

[55:35] Are you trying to steal props from this?

[55:37] That's yeah.

[55:38] That's her weak spot.

[55:39] She's got a little spot where if you shoot her in the tummy, she dies.

[55:42] OK.

[55:43] She was shot in her existence.

[55:44] And that's why I heard her.

[55:45] That's right.

[55:46] Yeah.

[55:47] Unlike the rest of us.

[55:48] So we get some we get a little bit of a shot in the tummy.

[55:51] You just shrug it off.

[55:52] Yeah.

[55:53] Yeah.

[55:54] Take a lap.

[55:55] Yeah.

[55:56] So walk it off.

[55:57] Rubs and dirt on it.

[55:58] Ricochets into your head.

[55:59] Yeah.

[56:00] Oh, no.

[56:01] So you lost gates in this.

[56:03] We get a little bit a little bit of speed up.

[56:06] Lunch and Gabe decide to team up to take down you law.

[56:09] They show up at a industrial plant that seems to manufacture sparks.

[56:15] They walk right.

[56:16] And not the band sparks.

[56:18] They don't know.

[56:19] Just a physical thing.

[56:20] Yeah.

[56:21] So they walk right into a trap using one of those funky sci fi grenades that almost explodes

[56:25] them.

[56:26] But it does not.

[56:27] It just blows up their guns.

[56:28] And then they get in a fight.

[56:30] Jason Statham gets beat super fast and has to limp around for the rest of the fight.

[56:34] But then we get a fight between you law and Gabe.

[56:37] And this is kind of the centerpiece of the movie where we have two Jet Li's fighting

[56:40] each other.

[56:41] And one one thing that I do want to point out is that both Jet Li's use different styles

[56:46] of martial arts, which is kind of cool.

[56:48] Like a subtle difference.

[56:51] Obviously it's a nod to the fact that Jet Li is an incredible martial artist.

[56:54] Yeah.

[56:55] It's a nod to that.

[56:56] It's a little.

[56:57] For those of you who are aware of Jet Li's history.

[57:01] The discerning viewer will note that Jet Li's good at martial arts.

[57:06] Of course, Gabe Law being of pure heart and mind and body becomes and filled with the

[57:13] rage of a dead wife decides to becomes the ultimate battler.

[57:17] And he defeats you law.

[57:19] There's a couple of moments where like they're fighting with an axe and he like flips it

[57:23] up and catches it super fast and almost cuts him in half.

[57:25] Oh, so sick.

[57:26] That was a great moment.

[57:27] Put that shit in the trailer.

[57:29] I think it was in the trailer.

[57:31] Yeah, I think there was a this movie is moving so fast.

[57:34] I think they skip over a couple of like the set, the obligatory beats that a movie has

[57:38] to have.

[57:39] And they're just like, you get it.

[57:41] You get it.

[57:42] He figured out his his true power or whatever.

[57:44] Anyway, he comes.

[57:45] He's better now than than than you lies.

[57:47] It's like, but do we are we going to see him do that?

[57:50] We do see him training one time in his home.

[57:54] We do see him training in his home one time.

[57:55] But it's but it's like the movie is like, you know what happens in a movie.

[57:57] Come on, let's just get to it.

[57:58] Let's get to it.

[58:00] We skipped over and not terribly important scene, but one that was that's kind of fun

[58:04] where they they go to a gas station.

[58:06] Oh, yeah.

[58:07] Yes.

[58:08] I would call a petrol shop.

[58:09] Thank you.

[58:10] Not on this show.

[58:11] Excuse me, Alex.

[58:12] Erase that.

[58:13] Leave it out.

[58:14] Yeah.

[58:15] I'm Jason Statham.

[58:16] I mean, they get to a gas station and and bump into that universe's Delroy Lindo and

[58:22] Jason Statham is able to be like, I just want to say thank you for everything you've done

[58:26] for me.

[58:27] Oh, wow.

[58:28] That's an American accent.

[58:29] And Doyle was like, get out of here.

[58:30] Yeah.

[58:31] I'm going to go call the cops.

[58:32] Yeah.

[58:33] But they never run.

[58:34] Yeah.

[58:35] But he says the Chinese guy kicked the Chinese guys tear in this place.

[58:41] Yeah.

[58:42] He kicked a lamppost that falls over.

[58:44] We never see this.

[58:45] This universe is funch, though, because he is, of course, in England.

[58:48] Yeah.

[58:49] I do like that.

[58:50] It means we get extra Delroy Lindo.

[58:52] So I'm not mad.

[58:53] Yes.

[58:54] Yeah.

[58:55] Oh, yeah.

[58:56] It's great.

[58:57] It's just like it's I mean, it's obviously films are full of conveniences.

[58:59] But it's like, why?

[59:00] It's very fortunate that they bumped into the Delroy of this thing.

[59:03] And it's not even connected to what his job is in the other universe or anything.

[59:08] Yeah.

[59:09] It feels like for the most part, everybody else is somewhat similar in the different dimensions.

[59:13] You know, like Carla Dugino is like a criminal goomar in one and the other one, she's a veterinarian

[59:19] in every other dimension.

[59:20] There's at least one other dimension where she's a veterinarian.

[59:22] Yeah.

[59:23] Yeah.

[59:24] And then the law law has a has dreadlocks in the other ones.

[59:28] He is dreadless.

[59:29] You know, I feel like the blonde law is still got to be the best.

[59:35] OK, so the the world law sounds like a Ryan Murphy show.

[59:41] It does.

[59:42] Yeah.

[59:43] I think we only take the blondes sexiest, most scandalous cases.

[59:47] Sarah Paulson is going to be legally blind.

[59:50] Yeah.

[59:51] Yes, that is legal.

[59:52] Blonde law sounds like they like what the Somalian poster for legally, yeah, she's she's

[59:59] child.

[1:00:00] in someone's hand off while she's firing an Uzi at someone else, yeah.

[1:00:04] It's a lion.

[1:00:05] Okay, so...

[1:00:06] The blonde law sounds like a silk stocking, specific blue type show, yeah, in the USA.

[1:00:10] Okay, so a wormhole arrives just in time to suck both laws and Jason Statham back to the

[1:00:17] multiverse authority where they're both very dazed and they're, you know, the one law's

[1:00:22] like, oh, get him, he's the bad guy.

[1:00:24] There's a very brief moment where they almost send Gabriel Law to the prison dimension because

[1:00:30] it's like...

[1:00:31] He's the bad guy.

[1:00:32] Good enough for me.

[1:00:33] Open the portal in three, two...

[1:00:34] It's insane.

[1:00:35] It's a super fast timer.

[1:00:36] Like, they're like, shit, we gotta go, man, I gotta clock out, I got dinner on the stove.

[1:00:40] This is funny for me because I was waiting, you know, I was waiting for the moment, like,

[1:00:44] oh, okay, he took the shirt off because it was on fire, we're gonna have the moment where

[1:00:49] there's the confusion.

[1:00:50] And then, like, immediately, like, they scan them with some sci-fi thing, and they're like,

[1:00:54] yeah, this is the one, and they put the one in the chair, and, like, they don't really

[1:00:58] explain, I mean, I probably missed something, but, like, why the scanning was wrong.

[1:01:02] But in my head, like, for a second, I'm like, wait, they set up the thing and they didn't

[1:01:06] even have Spider-Man pointed at himself?

[1:01:08] Like, I don't understand what's going on here.

[1:01:11] There had to have been a cut where they sent the wrong law back, wrong law to the prison

[1:01:17] dimension.

[1:01:18] I remember this movie that was more than 87 minutes long, which this one has.

[1:01:21] 88 minutes, maybe.

[1:01:22] Sorry, yeah.

[1:01:23] Okay.

[1:01:24] Yeah, it was 88.

[1:01:25] There's one minute they cut out where they handled all that stuff, yeah.

[1:01:28] So they zorch you all away, and then they're strapping Gabe Law into another one, and they're

[1:01:33] like, I guess we gotta send him, wait, they wanna send him back to the chair's dimension

[1:01:39] because they're like, that's where he's from, that's the rules, and Jason Statham's like,

[1:01:42] that's fucking crazy, man, they're gonna think he's, like, a criminal because he killed all

[1:01:46] those people.

[1:01:48] And so he's like, actually, I know how to do this, I'm gonna send him back to the chair's

[1:01:54] dimension, I know how to do it, and they're like, okay, I guess, sure, go ahead.

[1:01:57] Like, there's an NYPD detective who caught a murderer, and the murderer's put in the

[1:02:04] electric chair, and he's like, I'll flip the switch, I'm pretty familiar with this equipment,

[1:02:08] you got it, sir, anyone can do this, that's your job now.

[1:02:12] Yep, technically, it's your birthday, so when it's your birthday, you can do whatever you

[1:02:16] want.

[1:02:17] I would love it, that would have been such a funny addition to this movie, if throughout

[1:02:23] it he was just like, it's my birthday, let me do this, hey, hey, it's my birthday, let

[1:02:27] me break the rules.

[1:02:28] That would explain a lot of their dynamic.

[1:02:31] And also that's why he's such a hothead, because he feels like it's his birthday, and he's

[1:02:34] running out of time, and he's gotta corner this killer, or whatever, he's turning 35,

[1:02:40] he's only five away from 40, he's gonna, yeah, so it's, you know, he wants to break the rules.

[1:02:45] He's no longer an Olympic level diver.

[1:02:47] That's true.

[1:02:48] Which I believe he was, right?

[1:02:49] He was, yeah.

[1:02:50] You know what's crazy, is looking at Jason Satham in this movie, and being like, man,

[1:02:53] he's gotta be younger than I am now, but like, I can't imagine Jason Satham being younger

[1:02:58] than me.

[1:02:59] No, do you know how young he was?

[1:03:00] It's like Bruce Willis in fucking Die Hard, I'm like, he's what, like, 30?

[1:03:05] That's crazy.

[1:03:06] That's the experience I've been having watching Seinfeld recently, where I'm like, all these

[1:03:09] characters are younger than me, yet they dress like they're in their 60s.

[1:03:13] And they complain about diner food all the time.

[1:03:16] But, you know what, Jason Satham was 34 years old when this movie came out, so, yeah.

[1:03:23] This ending, though, you should explain it, but I have thoughts on it.

[1:03:26] So Gabriel Law gets sent back to, he gets sent to a completely different dimension,

[1:03:31] one that I'm assuming the law was killed by you, Law, and he almost gets hit by a car,

[1:03:37] the car runs over a dog's paw, and he's like, wait, that's my dog.

[1:03:43] Wait, we should mention also that we see the goofiest looking car, an insane car, and they're

[1:03:50] like, oh, this universe is going to be a crazy sci-fi universe, but it's just one weird car.

[1:03:55] No, it's just that one car.

[1:03:56] Yeah, it's the one guy driving the wacky mobile, yeah.

[1:04:00] Yeah, so that, you know, a car that's, like, not cool enough to, like, actually hurt anybody.

[1:04:08] Not cool enough?

[1:04:09] No, I know.

[1:04:10] I don't know.

[1:04:11] That's what's cool?

[1:04:12] No, you got me.

[1:04:13] As Stuart was saying the sentence, we switch.

[1:04:14] That means we switch in the universe.

[1:04:15] I deserve it.

[1:04:16] You promise her.

[1:04:17] I deserve it.

[1:04:18] Thanks, I'll be forever.

[1:04:19] And as you're saying it, you're like, oh, no, what, let's start it this way.

[1:04:25] So of course, he scoops up the dog, which in a different dimension was his dog, and

[1:04:31] he goes to the conveniently placed veterinarian clinic that's right there.

[1:04:34] And he's like, I'm just a scooping the dog's poop, not the whole dog.

[1:04:37] Yep, two meters away, which is what, like, a hundred feet?

[1:04:40] I don't know.

[1:04:41] Something like that.

[1:04:42] Something like that.

[1:04:43] Five miles.

[1:04:44] He bursts through the door and he's like, somebody save this dog.

[1:04:47] Of course, the person he's yelling at.

[1:04:49] That's right.

[1:04:50] Turns around.

[1:04:51] It's none other than Carla Gugino looking incredible.

[1:04:55] And he's like, oh, Mamma Mia.

[1:04:57] And turns to the wolf whistles.

[1:04:59] We've invoked because it's, you know, such a heavily multiverse, like, goofy show.

[1:05:04] We've invoked Rick and Morty before.

[1:05:06] And they do stuff like this on that show because that show is inherently cynical and it's like

[1:05:10] a joke.

[1:05:11] How cynical it is.

[1:05:12] Here, it's just like the movie is not interrogating at all the fact that it's just like, OK,

[1:05:16] well, you're Carla Gugino died, but one's just as good as another.

[1:05:20] Right.

[1:05:21] Like, yeah.

[1:05:22] It's just like the story.

[1:05:23] It's just like the story of Job.

[1:05:24] He lost his whole family, but then God gives him another one.

[1:05:26] He's just supposed to be happy with it.

[1:05:27] You know, that's the.

[1:05:28] Yeah.

[1:05:29] And in this case, God's Jason Statham.

[1:05:30] We didn't mention.

[1:05:31] The J in Job stands for Jason Statham.

[1:05:35] OK.

[1:05:36] Jason Statham's OB is what it stands for.

[1:05:38] It's pretty incredible in a production of Job production, a production, a musical joke.

[1:05:47] What happened to my stuff?

[1:05:48] They took all my stuff.

[1:05:49] I think I've had enough because they've got all my stuff covered in sores.

[1:05:54] Oh, my Lord.

[1:05:56] So where were you when I invented Leviathan?

[1:05:59] When I was in college, my college girlfriend was was a theater major.

[1:06:05] And she part of being a theater major is you had to help other theater majors with

[1:06:08] their senior projects.

[1:06:09] And so she had to help a another guy who was doing a theatrical production of the story

[1:06:14] of Job.

[1:06:16] And she was playing Job's wife.

[1:06:17] And her costume was like basically a bathrobe.

[1:06:20] And on that night, on her opening night, we like went into the theater and the Earlham

[1:06:25] College.

[1:06:26] The theater is pretty small.

[1:06:27] But the there is a massive poster like I feel like it was like a 20 foot tall close up of

[1:06:32] her face looking sad.

[1:06:34] And she's like, I didn't know it was going to be like this.

[1:06:37] It sucks.

[1:06:38] That's what happens when you're a star, baby.

[1:06:40] But this is the ending here.

[1:06:42] It is the it is the the time travel alternate universe fallacy also of like, oh, you look

[1:06:48] the same as my wife and you have the same job.

[1:06:51] You must be the same person and you will fall in love now.

[1:06:53] Yes.

[1:06:54] Who cares that he's dead and I'm a stranger?

[1:06:56] Yeah.

[1:06:57] Yeah.

[1:06:58] It's also the exact.

[1:06:59] We hear the backstory of how Jet Li and Khaled Gugino met in the first time, which is he

[1:07:03] found an injured dog and took it to the van.

[1:07:05] She was there.

[1:07:06] It was love at first sight.

[1:07:07] So when this happened, I was like, is this a time travel thing?

[1:07:11] Because like how did Jason Statham know?

[1:07:13] Oh, I know.

[1:07:14] And another universe where this exact moment, I think they transferred into a universe that

[1:07:18] was a couple of years behind the one he came from.

[1:07:22] So there is no one universe.

[1:07:24] And this was the like this was the like Charis is late universe.

[1:07:27] It's always running a little late.

[1:07:29] Yeah.

[1:07:30] It reminds me.

[1:07:31] It reminds me so much the end of Timecop where he has managed to change the past so that

[1:07:34] his wife and is alive and he has a family.

[1:07:37] And as he's walking to his house, I just kept magic.

[1:07:39] I was imagining thinking like, oh, boy, I got to pretend I know who these kids are.

[1:07:46] Maybe if I should trip on the way and pretend that I get amnesia, concussion, I don't remember.

[1:07:52] Can you remind me what your names are and how we met?

[1:07:55] Like that actually is the plot of that of that Joel Edgerton Apple TV show where he's

[1:08:00] like universe jumping and Joel Edgerton jumps into another dimension like and steals a place

[1:08:06] and it has to be like, yeah, I'm your dad.

[1:08:09] This is good, right?

[1:08:10] Yeah.

[1:08:11] That's arguably the plot of the most recent season of Peacemaker, except instead of Jean-Claude

[1:08:16] Van Damme, it's John Cena.

[1:08:18] So they're both, you know, big guys.

[1:08:21] I mean, it's arguably the plot of the last season of Sopranos.

[1:08:24] You'd lose that argument.

[1:08:25] I'd make that argument.

[1:08:26] Yeah.

[1:08:27] So.

[1:08:28] Two dollars.

[1:08:29] So let's get to the real let's get to the real meat on too rich for my blood.

[1:08:35] We've eaten all the vegetables around the plate.

[1:08:37] Let's get to the meat that's in the middle of the plate.

[1:08:39] And that is how you organize your plates.

[1:08:42] There's like an island of meat.

[1:08:43] Yeah.

[1:08:44] Yeah.

[1:08:45] Vegetables around it.

[1:08:46] Yeah.

[1:08:47] How do you do it?

[1:08:48] I just scoops all the vegetables into the garbage.

[1:08:51] I make a food pyramid.

[1:08:53] Oh, based on the old.

[1:08:55] Just the ancient aliens.

[1:08:56] And that's a good transition to the end of this.

[1:08:58] Oh, that's true.

[1:09:00] OK, so speaking of pyramids, we cut to the Stygian universe where Ulo wakes up and he's

[1:09:08] surrounded by rough looking customers and he is.

[1:09:12] All look much older than him and weaker than him.

[1:09:15] None of them look like that intimidating.

[1:09:17] Mm hmm.

[1:09:18] And they are on a he is on a prison planet that is lashed by lightning, covered in massive

[1:09:25] pyramids.

[1:09:26] And there's all kinds of science fiction stuff.

[1:09:29] And his first reaction is they're like, oh, goody, there's a new inmate.

[1:09:34] Fresh fish.

[1:09:35] You've got a pretty mouth.

[1:09:37] And his disgusting.

[1:09:39] It's yeah, it's disgusting.

[1:09:41] But I mean, it's accurate.

[1:09:42] It's jelly.

[1:09:43] He's gorgeous.

[1:09:45] And so gently, he stands up.

[1:09:48] They go, you've got a pretty mouth.

[1:09:50] And then he gets offended.

[1:09:51] They go, a prisoner can't compliment another prisoner these days.

[1:09:55] From the Anubis dimension, we compliment each other's mouths when we meet them.

[1:10:00] the sexual harassment dimension.

[1:10:01] This is considered etiquette where I'm from.

[1:10:03] So this is when Ulaw stands up and he addresses the crowd.

[1:10:06] And he says, I am Ulaw.

[1:10:08] I am nobody's bitch.

[1:10:10] You are mine.

[1:10:11] I'm like, oh, wow, okay.

[1:10:13] This is an interesting turn of events.

[1:10:15] But, and then of course, he starts beating people up

[1:10:19] while we hear Papa Roach start blasting.

[1:10:22] And I'm like, hell yeah.

[1:10:24] And he's on top of the ziggurat.

[1:10:27] Yeah, the camera pulls back.

[1:10:29] He's on top of the ziggurat and there's like a swarm

[1:10:31] of dudes running up to get beat up by him in a million.

[1:10:34] Kind of like the cover of the Doom video game,

[1:10:36] but instead of fighting demons,

[1:10:38] he's fighting rough customers.

[1:10:39] Yeah.

[1:10:40] Yes, it is, it is awesome.

[1:10:41] It is, you want to send your audience out on a cloud

[1:10:45] and you know what, success.

[1:10:46] I have to say that the way it pulls back,

[1:10:49] I kept expecting, I mean, it would be totally needless

[1:10:52] and it would not make any sense to have like

[1:10:54] this last minute twist.

[1:10:55] For it to be revealed it's all in a snow globe

[1:10:56] being held by a child.

[1:10:57] Oh, you know, like there's the Empire State Building.

[1:11:00] It'd be like, oh, this is like.

[1:11:02] Oh, the fallen Statue of Liberty.

[1:11:04] I don't know why they would do that,

[1:11:06] but it was that kind of pull out.

[1:11:07] It pulls out and it's just a reflection

[1:11:09] in Jonathan Price's eye at the end of Brazil.

[1:11:11] And you're like, whoa, that is cool.

[1:11:13] He's like, the only way I could escape the torture

[1:11:15] was to imagine bad-ass martial arts.

[1:11:17] Imagine the one.

[1:11:20] But it is, it feels like such a,

[1:11:22] but this feels like such a, I mean,

[1:11:23] it's an awesome ending, but it feels like such a tease.

[1:11:25] I just was like, this is the movie

[1:11:27] I could have been watching all this time.

[1:11:29] Like, you know.

[1:11:30] The thing is, they know that the movie

[1:11:32] that they could make with the budget they had

[1:11:34] set on that prison planet would not be nearly

[1:11:37] as the cool as the one you had.

[1:11:38] No, that's very true.

[1:11:39] That's a good point,

[1:11:40] especially on the budget they have, yeah.

[1:11:42] So that's the one, guys, we fucking did it.

[1:11:45] Yeah. We did it.

[1:11:46] I was looking it up, like, you know,

[1:11:49] I think that they maybe wanted to do more.

[1:11:52] This was a $50 million movie that made $80 million.

[1:11:58] So it did okay for, like, the time,

[1:12:01] but probably was not ultimately profitable.

[1:12:04] I feel like the name and the,

[1:12:06] I guess the poster's not,

[1:12:07] like, the one poster with Jet Liana, it's okay,

[1:12:10] but the other one's just, like,

[1:12:11] a glowing orb or something, and that's not a good poster.

[1:12:14] Even the one with Jet Liana,

[1:12:15] it just looks like his body is kind of, like,

[1:12:17] dissolving into cubes, into pixels.

[1:12:20] It doesn't really, I feel like the poster-

[1:12:21] I break you into little cubes.

[1:12:23] Little cubes, Picasso.

[1:12:25] I feel like the poster should be

[1:12:28] two Jet Lias facing off against each other, right?

[1:12:31] Like, that feels like, that's your poster.

[1:12:33] Why are you doing anything else?

[1:12:33] It would confuse people, though.

[1:12:34] They'd be like, I thought it's called The One.

[1:12:36] I don't understand.

[1:12:37] I'm seeing double here, two Jet Lias.

[1:12:39] Well, I don't want to know the story behind that.

[1:12:41] You won't get my ticket money.

[1:12:45] I think, though, I was just thinking

[1:12:46] as a kind of a plot hole of the ending,

[1:12:49] which is that they can't allow one of these guys

[1:12:54] to become The One because nobody knows what will happen.

[1:12:57] Some believe that if somebody becomes The One,

[1:12:59] they will explode.

[1:13:00] Some believe he will implode.

[1:13:01] Some believe he will become a god, if they clarify.

[1:13:04] And Jason Statham says,

[1:13:05] well, it might just destroy the universe.

[1:13:07] Maybe it'll destroy the multiverse.

[1:13:09] One of these Jet Lias still will die.

[1:13:11] One of them will die of old age,

[1:13:13] and if they can't let either of them die,

[1:13:15] perhaps sending Eulor to an infinite fight

[1:13:21] that he cannot win

[1:13:21] out of the end of the first video game, Half-Life.

[1:13:25] He's not gonna last long.

[1:13:29] You've really put your finger on what is wrong

[1:13:32] about the movie in general, which is that you're right.

[1:13:34] Unless everyone in each universe is dying at the same moment,

[1:13:37] this would be happening all the time.

[1:13:39] All the time.

[1:13:40] In an infinite, or I guess a 125 universe,

[1:13:43] like people are gonna die at different times.

[1:13:46] Suddenly you'd see an old man who can run super fast

[1:13:49] and lift up a car,

[1:13:50] because all his elderly counterparts

[1:13:52] have died just a couple days before him or something.

[1:13:54] Can I mention, I would love to see that.

[1:13:57] What if it's the same movie, The One,

[1:13:59] but it's with Virgis Meredith,

[1:14:01] instead of Jet Lia?

[1:14:02] Oh my God.

[1:14:02] He's an incredibly old man.

[1:14:03] The way he chooses the scenery, that'd be great.

[1:14:06] The thing is, we don't even need this idea,

[1:14:08] like, oh, once it becomes The One,

[1:14:11] it might destroy the universe.

[1:14:14] Those stakes are not necessary to the movie.

[1:14:17] It could just be a movie about like,

[1:14:19] this is an interdimensional criminal

[1:14:22] who is about to become incredibly dangerous,

[1:14:26] like more powerful than anyone in the world.

[1:14:28] We have to stop him.

[1:14:29] And that's enough, you know?

[1:14:31] I guess it's because they need to give a reason to kill,

[1:14:34] that, oh, we need to kill Gabe as well.

[1:14:35] But it could just be,

[1:14:36] well, no one individual should have this power.

[1:14:38] It's just too dangerous.

[1:14:40] But it really is the same way

[1:14:41] that the multiverse aspect of it is a forerunner

[1:14:44] to so many of the movies now.

[1:14:45] The fact that they felt like they needed to throw in,

[1:14:48] uh, and the universe could be destroyed,

[1:14:49] like, is also a forerunner to everywhere right now.

[1:14:51] Yeah, there has to be some kind of a-

[1:14:52] It's the highest stakes possible.

[1:14:53] I would say, I'm not gonna say this is a plot hole,

[1:14:56] but I feel like it's a missed opportunity,

[1:14:59] because apparently all these sequences

[1:15:01] that were shot in the hotel,

[1:15:04] the sequences that were shot in the hospital,

[1:15:06] now that's the same-

[1:15:07] The hospital's just like a hotel for sick people.

[1:15:08] It's the same, based on the prices.

[1:15:11] It's even more expensive.

[1:15:13] The-

[1:15:14] And they're providing, not here.

[1:15:15] Yeah, yeah.

[1:15:15] No, no, you are worried.

[1:15:16] I mean, they are providing medical care.

[1:15:18] So, like, it really should be more expensive than a hotel.

[1:15:20] I was just gonna say,

[1:15:21] a hotel is not performing surgery.

[1:15:23] It's not providing medications,

[1:15:25] round-the-clock service.

[1:15:26] Maybe the hotel's-

[1:15:27] What about-

[1:15:28] Who's footing the bill?

[1:15:29] We can argue about that.

[1:15:30] But, Stuart, you're going to these kind of,

[1:15:31] you're going to these kind of infinity pool type of hotels,

[1:15:33] where there's all sorts of stuff going on.

[1:15:34] Yeah, I'm always going to infinity pool hotels.

[1:15:38] What I was gonna say is,

[1:15:39] the hospital that they shoot that sequence in,

[1:15:42] is the same hospital that they shoot,

[1:15:44] they shot Scrubs in.

[1:15:45] And I think it's a missed opportunity

[1:15:47] that the Scrubs gang didn't just wander through

[1:15:49] some of those action scenes.

[1:15:50] I'm not going down there.

[1:15:51] Can you imagine J.D. meeting T.K.?

[1:15:53] Oh my gosh.

[1:15:54] Was it really?

[1:15:55] John's the only person who could have gotten in

[1:15:57] on that shit.

[1:15:58] Was it really the Scrubs hotel?

[1:15:59] Oh, Scrubs hospital?

[1:16:00] Wow, now everyone's doing it.

[1:16:02] I worked with some people who worked on Scrubs,

[1:16:04] and they were like,

[1:16:05] oh yeah, that place was disgusting.

[1:16:06] It was infested with wreckage.

[1:16:08] It makes me wonder if J.D. every day

[1:16:10] has to go in and fight off raccoons

[1:16:11] to clear out the set.

[1:16:13] Oh, that's great.

[1:16:14] Yes, that is a true fact.

[1:16:15] I did not make that up.

[1:16:16] I'm not that creative.

[1:16:19] Now is the time where we render our final judgment,

[1:16:23] which of course are binding in all courts of the land.

[1:16:28] I've got a pretty good feeling

[1:16:30] about how this one's gonna shake out.

[1:16:32] A good bad movie, a bad bad movie,

[1:16:34] or a movie we kind of like.

[1:16:37] I'm gonna say, yeah, I kind of like this movie.

[1:16:39] I will say, like Elliot,

[1:16:41] occasionally my brain would slide off it,

[1:16:43] and too often it would happen during the stuff

[1:16:46] that is theoretically the reason for the movie existing,

[1:16:49] like the fight scenes.

[1:16:50] Sometimes I would just be like,

[1:16:52] oh, I should be paying more attention to this.

[1:16:54] This is the meat of why this exists.

[1:16:56] This is what's happening in the movie.

[1:16:58] This is when the bodies are hitting the floor.

[1:17:00] But it is-

[1:17:02] They're just letting it happen.

[1:17:04] I guess there's nothing wrong with it.

[1:17:04] Swimming in the drowning pool.

[1:17:07] It is so silly and big and like fast on its feet,

[1:17:12] being silly and big that I had a good time watching it.

[1:17:15] So yeah, I liked the one.

[1:17:18] Stuart?

[1:17:18] Yeah, it goes down super easy.

[1:17:20] You know, I was a little concerned

[1:17:21] that it wasn't gonna be as good as I remembered.

[1:17:24] And I still think it's like a fucking super straightforward,

[1:17:29] like dumb ass, 90s style, like high concept action movie,

[1:17:35] like the aforementioned Time Cop.

[1:17:38] But the added advantage is it does have a great ending.

[1:17:41] It has a killer soundtrack.

[1:17:44] And of course it has, you know,

[1:17:46] young Jason Statham, Jet Li, Carla Gugino, Delroy Lindo,

[1:17:51] Dean Norris briefly, yeah.

[1:17:53] So I still liked it.

[1:17:55] This is still a movie I kind of like.

[1:17:57] I think for me, it's kind of on the line

[1:17:59] between movie I kind of liked and a good, bad movie.

[1:18:01] I think for that reason of,

[1:18:03] I had trouble feeling invested in watching it.

[1:18:06] I'm not asking to be invested in the characters

[1:18:08] or their emotional journey,

[1:18:09] but like any movie where I find myself

[1:18:12] kind of going into a haze or a trance

[1:18:14] and then I pick up and I go,

[1:18:15] oh yeah, the movie's on.

[1:18:16] I'm gonna dock it for some points.

[1:18:17] Did you see the part where he smacked somebody

[1:18:18] with a motorcycle?

[1:18:20] I think what it really is,

[1:18:21] I think if there was more stuff,

[1:18:22] I feel like there are stretches of the movie

[1:18:24] that are not as imaginative or like fun.

[1:18:27] And considering that people who made it,

[1:18:29] where it's like, this is James Wong directing it

[1:18:32] and he and Glenn Morgan wrote it

[1:18:34] and they wrote some of the best episodes of The X-Files

[1:18:36] and like James Wong did, what, Final Destination?

[1:18:38] Final Destination.

[1:18:39] Like, I wish there was like a few more scenes

[1:18:42] like the motorcycle fight

[1:18:44] or that big pyramid fight at the end

[1:18:46] where I was just like, whoa, like what is going on?

[1:18:48] This is intense, over the top, you know?

[1:18:50] Apparently this movie was originally meant

[1:18:52] to be a project starring Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

[1:18:55] Really?

[1:18:57] He would have-

[1:18:58] A different movie.

[1:18:59] Yes, I think it would have been a different movie.

[1:19:00] I think it would have had less, probably martial arts.

[1:19:02] Yes, probably less martial arts.

[1:19:05] Probably he wouldn't speak Chinese

[1:19:06] with his wife in the movie, but you never know.

[1:19:08] Probably.

[1:19:10] John Cena might have, he speaks Chinese.

[1:19:11] I don't know.

[1:19:12] Oh, I didn't know that.

[1:19:15] Oh, it's my turn.

[1:19:17] What's your final judgment, Michael?

[1:19:18] I think that this was a,

[1:19:20] well, I actually kind of agree with Elliot.

[1:19:21] It's a movie I kind of like

[1:19:22] and I also think it's kind of a good, bad movie.

[1:19:24] Like it was really fun to watch.

[1:19:26] I'll put it as a movie I kind of like

[1:19:27] because there's so many moments

[1:19:28] of new metal and martial arts

[1:19:31] and I am nostalgic for this period.

[1:19:33] In the opening action sequence,

[1:19:34] there were practical muzzle flashes

[1:19:36] that just got this physical reaction for me

[1:19:39] because I haven't seen that in a long time

[1:19:40] and it was just lighting up the frame

[1:19:42] and there's some really cool effects

[1:19:44] that I think hold up and some goofy effects that don't.

[1:19:47] But I think kind of what you guys have been saying,

[1:19:51] it begins in a place

[1:19:52] that has a lot more science fiction to it

[1:19:54] and ends in a place

[1:19:55] that has a lot more science fiction to it.

[1:19:56] And there's kind of a portion in the middle

[1:19:58] where, oh, now we're in our universe.

[1:20:00] And it just becomes a little less inventive, a little less creative.

[1:20:03] And that that's maybe where it gets to a bit of a zone out,

[1:20:06] but then goes out on maybe the highest of highs.

[1:20:11] It is. I mean, yeah, that ending is I did.

[1:20:14] I feel as much as it was losing me at times in the middle of that ending.

[1:20:17] I was like, OK.

[1:20:19] And then the movie ended and I was like, oh, yeah.

[1:20:21] I mean, I feel like you could have like

[1:20:22] juiced up the science fiction stuff by having like other dimension hoppers

[1:20:26] like like bounty hunters trying to track down you law, maybe because,

[1:20:31] you know, interdimensional bounty hunters, always a thumbs up for me.

[1:20:34] Or maybe like the other Carla Gugino would have shown up and she's like,

[1:20:37] you promised to kill the other Mies.

[1:20:39] Why aren't you doing it?

[1:20:40] Yeah, I was surprised that that character had such a strong impact

[1:20:43] on screen right from the beginning and we never saw her again.

[1:20:46] And it felt like swarms of mice coming out from her shoes.

[1:20:50] She's like this fellow Willard later on.

[1:20:52] Femme fatale with mice in her shoes.

[1:20:55] And she's got such a connection with

[1:20:59] with you, what's it with you, with you law.

[1:21:02] And it was just I was surprised that she just didn't come back.

[1:21:04] It was surprising to have her show up and pretend to be Katie

[1:21:08] and like try to trick me or something. But.

[1:21:12] Oh, that would be great, because, of course, he's grieving her.

[1:21:14] And then to see her again unexpectedly would have been,

[1:21:18] I mean, I can't imagine James Wong direct Dragon Ball evolution.

[1:21:22] Yes, the answer is yes.

[1:21:23] No, I think he produced Willard that you just mentioned or something like that.

[1:21:27] Oh, maybe.

[1:21:28] Oh, that's maybe a producer on that.

[1:21:30] I believe he was also a producer on the show Millennium that I only know of

[1:21:33] from Stu mentioning it 30 times throughout the show.

[1:21:36] He did indeed produce Willard, the remake.

[1:21:39] Oh, man. Yeah.

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[1:30:11] Let us answer a couple of questions from the mailbag.

[1:30:15] Let's open up the old mailbag.

[1:30:16] Let's do it.

[1:30:18] Mailbag, let's wade into the mailbag.

[1:30:21] It's just bubbling, churning piles of mail.

[1:30:26] It's hard to read because, of course, it's all wet,

[1:30:29] and the ink has run, but here we go.

[1:30:31] This is from Hannah, Hannah, last name withheld.

[1:30:35] Who writes?

[1:30:36] Montana.

[1:30:36] And her sisters, or just Hannah?

[1:30:37] Just singular Hannah.

[1:30:40] Hannah Montana and her sisters?

[1:30:41] Mm-hmm.

[1:30:42] Long-time listener.

[1:30:43] Hannah, the girl of possession.

[1:30:44] That's a straight-up fucking movie trivia team

[1:30:47] name right there, Hannah Montana and her sisters.

[1:30:49] You're right, yeah.

[1:30:50] Put that in my back pocket.

[1:30:54] In fact.

[1:30:55] You gotta put another trivia team name

[1:30:56] in your other pocket to see how it's balanced.

[1:30:57] Yeah, so it won't fall down.

[1:30:59] That's how it works.

[1:31:02] In fact, I've been listening long enough

[1:31:03] to have sent an email years ago,

[1:31:05] and Dan replied with his Daily Show email account.

[1:31:07] Wow.

[1:31:08] It's only been like five years since I've been like,

[1:31:10] Savage over here.

[1:31:11] So long.

[1:31:13] I volunteer with a-

[1:31:14] You're right, Dan.

[1:31:15] It makes sense that you still use that credit

[1:31:16] to get tables at restaurants.

[1:31:21] Elliot, you know very well that credit would go nowhere.

[1:31:23] That's true, yeah.

[1:31:25] I volunteer with a program that goes to elementary schools

[1:31:29] and reads with second graders who need a little extra help

[1:31:32] getting up to their grade level in reading.

[1:31:34] Today, I had the joy of introducing my student

[1:31:37] to Elliot's books, Sharko and Hippo and Horse Meets Dog.

[1:31:40] Oh, thank you.

[1:31:41] I thought he liked them, and he loved them.

[1:31:43] At the end of our meeting,

[1:31:44] he picked Sharko and Hippo as his favorite of the day.

[1:31:47] All praise aside.

[1:31:48] Good, we got that praise out of the way.

[1:31:51] My question is-

[1:31:52] I was as uncomfortable as you were, Dan.

[1:31:53] Thank you.

[1:31:54] What books do you remember reading as children

[1:31:56] that were laugh out loud funny?

[1:31:58] For me, it was Superfudge by Judy Blume.

[1:32:01] Thanks for all the years of entertainment, Hannah.

[1:32:06] I'm gonna sidestep the question slightly

[1:32:08] to talk about children's books

[1:32:10] that I really thought were cool.

[1:32:12] And of course, I'm gonna say

[1:32:14] Monster at the End of a Book, baby.

[1:32:16] Oh yeah, Monster at the End of a Book's a great book.

[1:32:18] Yeah.

[1:32:19] I actually found a couple of classics really funny as a kid.

[1:32:24] The Winnie the Pooh books always had things

[1:32:27] that made me laugh in them.

[1:32:28] Actually, the idea, for instance, that-

[1:32:32] No, he doesn't wear pants, just a shirt.

[1:32:34] That Pooh's scheme for getting honey in one of the stories

[1:32:37] is to pretend to be a cloud, a rain cloud,

[1:32:41] to get close to the bees.

[1:32:42] And he does this by rolling himself in mud,

[1:32:46] floating up on a balloon,

[1:32:47] and having Christopher Robin go around beneath him

[1:32:50] with an umbrella going, tut, tut, it looks like rain,

[1:32:52] which is, that's a pretty funny notion.

[1:32:55] And Eeyore, I obviously found very funny.

[1:33:00] And I remember laughing out loud

[1:33:02] at a lot of the Benicula books.

[1:33:06] There's always something funny in there.

[1:33:07] I found them to be very scary, so.

[1:33:11] The idea of eating vegetables, you mean.

[1:33:12] Oh yeah, horrible.

[1:33:15] Are they only, I wonder if the letter writer

[1:33:17] only wants books we read as kids,

[1:33:19] or can we mention modern books?

[1:33:21] I'm sure you can say modern books.

[1:33:22] I think you can do whatever you want.

[1:33:23] It's our podcast.

[1:33:24] As a parent who is also married to a children's librarian,

[1:33:27] we read a lot of children's books in our house,

[1:33:29] and there's a lot of really funny books out there.

[1:33:31] I'm gonna mention some of them.

[1:33:31] Nothing Rhymes with Orange by Adam Rex, hilarious.

[1:33:34] The picture book Recipe,

[1:33:36] written by Angela and Michaelann Petrella, super funny.

[1:33:39] The first Cat in Space series that Mac Barnett writes,

[1:33:43] and why am I forgetting the artist's name?

[1:33:45] Sean something.

[1:33:45] Anyway, I'll look it up.

[1:33:46] But that book's usually funny.

[1:33:49] The I Want My Hat Back by John Klassen,

[1:33:51] that's a really funny picture book.

[1:33:52] Snap, See the Alligator Does Not Want to Be in This Book

[1:33:54] is a really funny book with art by Tim Miller

[1:33:58] who did The Horse Meets Dog,

[1:34:00] and my other most recent book, City Mouse Wrecks the House.

[1:34:04] Director of Deadpool.

[1:34:06] No, that's a different Tim Miller.

[1:34:08] But there's also, when I was a kid,

[1:34:10] I really loved The Stinky Cheese Man

[1:34:11] by John Shesta and Lane Smith,

[1:34:14] which is a very funny fairytale picture book.

[1:34:17] And I guess it's not, this is kind of like Stewart's Answer.

[1:34:21] They recently announced they're making a movie

[1:34:23] of my favorite chapter book as a kid,

[1:34:26] which is Lizard Music by Daniel Pinkwater.

[1:34:28] And Daniel Pinkwater is such a funny writer.

[1:34:30] He wrote so many books for kids, and they're so funny.

[1:34:32] But I'm a little trepidatious

[1:34:34] about them making a movie of this book.

[1:34:36] And it's one that me and my younger son, I read to him.

[1:34:39] Does it stars Jared Leto or something?

[1:34:41] No, well, it's if The Rock is gonna be in it,

[1:34:42] but like in a, or Dwayne Johnson.

[1:34:45] But in a role that is not,

[1:34:46] it seems a little strange for him to be doing.

[1:34:48] Is there like a giant rock man in it, or?

[1:34:51] Yeah, exactly.

[1:34:51] He's playing a wrestler.

[1:34:52] Is there a professional wrestler?

[1:34:53] Yeah, but it's a book that has not a lot of,

[1:34:56] it's like a kid discovering strange things

[1:34:59] that all seem to be connected,

[1:35:00] but there's no like conflict in it.

[1:35:02] And I'm very worried that,

[1:35:04] like it's about a kid who discovers

[1:35:05] an island of talking lizards in a lake near his home.

[1:35:09] And at night, his television can pick up their signals,

[1:35:12] their television signals.

[1:35:13] And I'm worried they're gonna like

[1:35:15] make it one of these stories where it's like,

[1:35:16] and we've got to save them from a developer

[1:35:18] or something like that.

[1:35:19] We got to hide these lizard people.

[1:35:20] And I don't want it to be that, but that's it.

[1:35:22] But I love that book.

[1:35:23] I think that's a book I recommend highly.

[1:35:25] I just remember something.

[1:35:26] Sorry, did any of you ever read the Arabelle's Raven book?

[1:35:30] Arabelle's Raven books?

[1:35:31] It's a series by Joan Aiken,

[1:35:35] who is better known for like The Wolves of Willoughby Chase

[1:35:38] and sort of like.

[1:35:39] That I've heard of.

[1:35:40] Gothic sort of pseudo Victorian thrillery,

[1:35:44] young adult stuff.

[1:35:45] But I don't, I think these are forgotten,

[1:35:47] but it's about a young girl and her raven.

[1:35:50] And I found them very funny,

[1:35:51] but they seem to have fallen out of print.

[1:35:54] Michael, is there something that you remember?

[1:35:57] Oh, I can't top Elliot, of course,

[1:35:59] with his intimate knowledge of children's books,

[1:36:01] but not really.

[1:36:02] I'm kind of young at heart and brain.

[1:36:05] Though the ones that come to mind to me,

[1:36:07] I think when I was a little older,

[1:36:08] any Australian listening wouldn't be surprised

[1:36:11] to hear about Paul Jennings,

[1:36:12] whose like wicked books are unreal.

[1:36:14] That is kind of iconic, funny,

[1:36:16] but kind of gross books for kids.

[1:36:18] But when I thought of like the books that I read as a kid

[1:36:21] that I laughed at,

[1:36:22] I would have been 12, 13 when I read like Hitchhiker's Guide.

[1:36:25] And then I know that's like an older thing,

[1:36:27] but that felt like those were the first times

[1:36:29] I was like really laughing out loud at books.

[1:36:31] That and like, I used to read Spike Milligan parody books

[1:36:35] that he'd like do like Spike Milligan's Frankenstein

[1:36:37] or something.

[1:36:38] I think that they were a bit too adult for me at the time,

[1:36:40] but I still found them very silly and funny.

[1:36:43] Nice.

[1:36:45] This one is from Aaron Lastname Withheld, who writes.

[1:36:48] Brockovich.

[1:36:49] I was listening to your episode on.

[1:36:51] There's deadly chemicals in your podcast.

[1:36:53] What are you gonna do about it?

[1:36:53] I'm gonna sue you.

[1:36:55] I was listening to your episode on Until Dawn

[1:36:57] with Star of the Pod, Halle Hagen.

[1:36:59] Until Dawn.

[1:37:00] And I wanted to say, thank you for the theme song.

[1:37:03] I wanted to say that I wholeheartedly support Dan

[1:37:07] for pointing out that the main characters in the movie

[1:37:08] were hard to tell apart because they're all brunettes.

[1:37:11] That's how you get a letter on the show, by the way.

[1:37:13] I know it might be easy.

[1:37:14] Tell Dan he's right about something.

[1:37:16] I know it might be easy for you folks

[1:37:17] who can easily distinguish faces,

[1:37:19] but I appreciated Dan giving a shout out

[1:37:21] to those of us who struggle with it.

[1:37:23] I, like many others, have something called prosopagnosia.

[1:37:27] I hope I said that correctly.

[1:37:29] Almost certainly not.

[1:37:30] It occurs because there's a special area of our brain

[1:37:34] that specifically recognizes faces

[1:37:35] and that area may be impaired for some folks.

[1:37:39] In light of this, my question is,

[1:37:40] are there any movies, TV shows, or even podcasts

[1:37:43] where you've had trouble distinguishing between characters

[1:37:45] because they look or sound very similar

[1:37:47] or because they disguise the actor so well in a later scene?

[1:37:51] As an example, I couldn't watch Orphan Black

[1:37:53] because every time Tatiana Maslany appeared

[1:37:56] as a new clone with a different look or personality,

[1:37:58] I couldn't tell if it was a clone

[1:38:00] or a completely new character.

[1:38:02] Thank you all for keeping on keeping on.

[1:38:04] Aaron, last name with L.

[1:38:05] And actually, when Audrey heard that episode,

[1:38:09] she's like, why didn't you just say

[1:38:10] you were thinking about me?

[1:38:11] Because part of it is, I don't think she has full,

[1:38:14] what you would colloquially call, face blindness,

[1:38:18] but she has an interesting form

[1:38:20] where sometimes she's like, I know I've seen this person

[1:38:23] and can get it, and sometimes she looks at one thing

[1:38:27] of a person's face and thinks they look exactly like

[1:38:30] what they don't.

[1:38:31] I think she just hangs out with too many

[1:38:31] middle-aged white guys with beards.

[1:38:32] Look alike, yeah.

[1:38:36] Yeah, I don't, I mean, they included podcasts.

[1:38:39] I gotta say that my first years listening to my brother,

[1:38:43] my brother and me, I had trouble telling them apart,

[1:38:45] and now, like.

[1:38:46] We are brothers.

[1:38:47] Now.

[1:38:48] It's in the name.

[1:38:48] I find it wild that I ever had any difficulty,

[1:38:51] you know, I mean, especially now having met them,

[1:38:53] but like, but it was, it just seems very strange to me

[1:38:56] that I had that trouble,

[1:38:57] but sometimes when you're not familiar with something,

[1:39:00] you just.

[1:39:01] I mean, that's why it was really essential

[1:39:03] that we brought in an Elliott to zhuzh up

[1:39:05] the vocal diversity in our show.

[1:39:07] Because you guys have kind of like, uh-huh voices,

[1:39:09] and I have kind of a eh-eh voice.

[1:39:11] Yeah, I think I felt that way around this podcast

[1:39:13] at the beginning.

[1:39:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:39:15] I've heard that about people having trouble

[1:39:17] between me and Stuart.

[1:39:18] I don't think that we sound that much alike,

[1:39:21] but that's one that we have gotten at a podcast.

[1:39:23] But you also think the word pen sounds like pen, so.

[1:39:26] Pen, yeah.

[1:39:28] You know, I mean, I'll find some regional problem of yours

[1:39:32] to make fun of.

[1:39:32] It's because we're both like cool midwestern dudes.

[1:39:33] I don't think there is.

[1:39:34] I'm just playing Super Mario Brothers over here.

[1:39:36] Nothing I say wrong.

[1:39:37] Oh, well, yeah.

[1:39:38] I have a movie answer to this,

[1:39:40] which is I really enjoyed the movie Dunkirk,

[1:39:43] but I could not tell most of the characters apart.

[1:39:46] They all look like the same guy to me,

[1:39:49] and so I had a lot of trouble keeping track of who was who.

[1:39:51] Luckily, that's a movie where it doesn't really matter.

[1:39:53] It's not rich with unique characters,

[1:39:56] but I had a lot of, I felt like every new character.

[1:40:00] until Mark Rylance came on as the guy who owns the boat.

[1:40:05] I feel like everyone, I was like,

[1:40:06] oh, it's like a young Britishy guy with dark brown hair.

[1:40:10] Okay, it's another one of those.

[1:40:12] I know, vaguely handsome

[1:40:13] and I could not tell anyone apart in it, so.

[1:40:15] Yeah, I mean.

[1:40:16] Good thing, good thing, one guy is wearing,

[1:40:17] is in a plane with a mask over his face.

[1:40:20] The most famous, the other most famous guy in the movie,

[1:40:22] but you know.

[1:40:23] Can't understand what he's saying, but I know who he is.

[1:40:25] But that's how I knew who he was,

[1:40:26] because I couldn't understand what he was saying.

[1:40:28] I really struggled with this movie called The One

[1:40:31] to differentiate between the characters of Gabe and Yul.

[1:40:35] I kind of have the opposite answer,

[1:40:37] whereby re-watching like The Prestige,

[1:40:41] where there are two Christian Bales,

[1:40:43] spoiler alert for The Prestige,

[1:40:45] and they're trying to disguise him.

[1:40:47] I think that the first time I saw it,

[1:40:48] I was fairly young and I didn't notice it,

[1:40:50] but knowing that twist going in,

[1:40:52] it's crazy to me that nobody can tell

[1:40:54] that those are two Christian Bales.

[1:40:55] They do a great job,

[1:40:57] it's a very famous, recognizable guy.

[1:41:00] Once you know it, on that one especially,

[1:41:02] I love that movie.

[1:41:03] And when I first saw it, it really took me by surprise.

[1:41:06] But yeah, once you know it, you're like, oh, okay.

[1:41:08] They're barely, it looks like him.

[1:41:11] Yeah, yeah.

[1:41:11] It's a little bit like-

[1:41:12] They act wildly differently from scene to scene.

[1:41:16] But he's always turning away,

[1:41:18] that they really avoid showing him too front on.

[1:41:20] He's always kind of a presence

[1:41:23] that you don't see the face of too much.

[1:41:24] Yeah, it's like, I love the movie The Thin Man,

[1:41:27] and I'll watch it with people,

[1:41:29] and I know who the killer is, and they don't,

[1:41:31] and I'm like, jeez Louise, they're making it so obvious.

[1:41:35] This is bonkers.

[1:41:36] How did they, I was in no way picking up this,

[1:41:38] but I didn't pick up on it the first time I saw it.

[1:41:39] So, it shows you, it's easy to know something.

[1:41:42] It's easy to figure something out

[1:41:43] when you know the answer already.

[1:41:44] Yeah.

[1:41:45] Well, the one time that I noticed it,

[1:41:49] straight away, there's a movie called

[1:41:50] You Should Have Left with Kevin Bacon

[1:41:52] and Amanda Seyfried from 2020.

[1:41:55] It's directed by the guy who did Stir of Echoes.

[1:41:58] I haven't watched this movie,

[1:41:59] but I remember the ads and realizing,

[1:42:01] I'm like, are their characters supposed

[1:42:04] to be married in that movie?

[1:42:05] Amanda Seyfried.

[1:42:06] Yeah.

[1:42:07] But like, that was one of the few times

[1:42:09] where I saw an ad and I'm like,

[1:42:10] I need to check the age difference.

[1:42:12] Because it's like 25 years, I don't know.

[1:42:15] Okay, go on, sorry.

[1:42:16] She could definitely be playing his daughter

[1:42:18] and possibly has in other films.

[1:42:19] But my old spoilers for this movie,

[1:42:22] the opening scene, there's like a dark character

[1:42:25] that's dimly lit, like talking nefariously

[1:42:28] kind of front onto the camera.

[1:42:29] And it's just so obviously Kevin Bacon

[1:42:32] with like a mustache.

[1:42:33] Right.

[1:42:34] And some makeup on there.

[1:42:35] They don't disguise it well enough at all.

[1:42:36] And then it like cuts to Kevin Bacon's a normal guy

[1:42:39] and we're gonna learn that there's something

[1:42:40] going on with him later.

[1:42:41] And it's just like from the first moment,

[1:42:44] okay, Kevin Bacon's gonna be the kind of spooky guy.

[1:42:47] That made me remember, it's not the same thing at all,

[1:42:51] actually, but like this movie,

[1:42:54] A Murder of Crows, which I watched

[1:42:57] because it was directed by Rowdy Harrington

[1:42:59] of Roadhouse fame and stars Cuba Gooding Jr.

[1:43:06] Cubi.

[1:43:07] Cubi.

[1:43:08] Cubi Gooding Jr.

[1:43:09] Tom Berenguer.

[1:43:10] Cubi Halloween.

[1:43:11] Eric Stoltz.

[1:43:12] Eric Stoltz?

[1:43:13] Eric Stoltz.

[1:43:14] From Killing Zoe?

[1:43:15] Speaking of Eric Stoltz, there's a-

[1:43:17] Almost from Back to the Future?

[1:43:19] Spoiler, there's a part in the movie

[1:43:23] where like a character is wearing such obvious makeup

[1:43:27] that it's like, I can't believe this movie

[1:43:30] thought I wouldn't know that it is this other character.

[1:43:34] It is insane that they're trying to build a twist

[1:43:36] around this makeup that they've put on this person.

[1:43:41] But it's, if you wanna see some truly zany

[1:43:46] thriller filmmaking, check that one out.

[1:43:50] The makeup thing's kind of like in Prometheus

[1:43:52] when you watch that for the first time,

[1:43:53] you're like, well, Guy Pearce is gonna get younger.

[1:43:55] Like, he can't just stay like this.

[1:43:57] And then he does.

[1:43:58] It's such a, I find that so funny

[1:44:00] that they were like,

[1:44:01] well, we're gonna have the flashback scenes,

[1:44:03] so we need to have him play the old man too.

[1:44:04] Then they cut all the flashback scenes.

[1:44:06] It's like, oh, we should have hired an old man.

[1:44:08] What are we doing?

[1:44:09] Oh, perfect.

[1:44:10] It's one of those things that when you first see it,

[1:44:13] you're like, is this a flaw?

[1:44:14] But then you think about it and you're like,

[1:44:15] no, it's great.

[1:44:16] Leave it in.

[1:44:17] It's enrichening the text.

[1:44:20] Let us recommend a few movies.

[1:44:24] If you're not in the mood for a new metal actioner,

[1:44:27] what else could you possibly?

[1:44:28] Oh, I have to recommend a non-new metal actioner?

[1:44:30] I mean.

[1:44:32] I wanna quickly say.

[1:44:34] If you were gonna recommend a new metal actioner,

[1:44:36] Stuart, what would it be?

[1:44:36] No, I don't know.

[1:44:39] I went out and saw a rep screening

[1:44:42] of John Carpenter's The Fog,

[1:44:44] a movie that I know has-

[1:44:46] Is that why you texted us about The Fog?

[1:44:48] Yes.

[1:44:50] Sometimes I think it's funnier if there's no context,

[1:44:52] but I know that it baffles.

[1:44:55] So I know that there's been a reclamation of The Fog,

[1:44:58] a movie that at the time was not very well received,

[1:45:03] but it had in the past never been one of my favorites.

[1:45:06] Like I recognize, I'm like,

[1:45:07] oh, there's stuff in here I like,

[1:45:09] but I kind of get bored trying to watch it at home.

[1:45:13] But I-

[1:45:14] Outside of Halloween,

[1:45:15] have any John Carpenter movies been like

[1:45:17] received super well?

[1:45:21] Because like the thing wasn't super well received

[1:45:23] when it came out.

[1:45:24] There was, I know that-

[1:45:27] Assault on Precinct 13,

[1:45:29] but I mean, that's not quite what you're asking.

[1:45:30] I know he had-

[1:45:32] That was super well received?

[1:45:34] When it came out, I think people were like,

[1:45:35] oh, this is, it wasn't like a huge movie,

[1:45:37] but it was like, oh, this is special

[1:45:38] for the kind of movie that it is.

[1:45:39] Yeah.

[1:45:40] I think-

[1:45:42] Because the villain,

[1:45:44] the criminal's name like Napoleon Casanova or whatever.

[1:45:46] Immediately sidetracked me with a-

[1:45:48] Isn't that the bad guy in The Mystery Men?

[1:45:51] I think so, yeah.

[1:45:52] No, that's Casanova Frankenstein.

[1:45:54] Oh, Casanova Frankenstein.

[1:45:55] Played by Jeffrey Rush.

[1:45:56] I know that Escape from New York was a legit hit.

[1:45:58] Oh, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

[1:45:59] Yeah, that's true, that's true.

[1:46:01] Anyway, I don't have all the-

[1:46:02] No, I saw Escape from L.A. twice in the theater,

[1:46:04] so it must have been a hit.

[1:46:05] Oh, Starman was big.

[1:46:06] When Starman came out, that was big.

[1:46:07] People really liked that a lot.

[1:46:09] I don't have all the receipts in front of me.

[1:46:10] All I know is I saw The Fog.

[1:46:12] But Dan, you're John Carpenter's accountant.

[1:46:15] I saw The Fog and-

[1:46:16] All this money's been on video games.

[1:46:19] My suspicion-

[1:46:20] John, you can't buy any more cents.

[1:46:22] You're bleeding yourself dry.

[1:46:24] You have too many cents.

[1:46:25] You're like Johnny Depp with houses.

[1:46:27] You're just buying too many cents, John.

[1:46:29] Yeah.

[1:46:30] My suspicion that it would play super better for me

[1:46:34] in the theater where I kind of have to be locked in

[1:46:37] was correct.

[1:46:38] All of the stuff that at home felt a little slow

[1:46:41] in the theater felt like beautiful atmospherics,

[1:46:45] like building the community,

[1:46:47] slowly building up sort of the vibes.

[1:46:52] It just looks really pretty.

[1:46:54] It's maybe his prettiest movie.

[1:46:56] I also feel like when I watched it before,

[1:47:00] as a younger dude, I'm like,

[1:47:02] I want a movie that's really gonna be really scary.

[1:47:04] And now, horror movies-

[1:47:08] Yeah, I wanna know that guy.

[1:47:11] Horror movies, I've seen so many of them

[1:47:14] that they don't scare me that much at all.

[1:47:18] So it's not necessarily the first thing

[1:47:20] I'm looking for in a horror movie anymore.

[1:47:22] I just like the form of horror movies.

[1:47:25] I like the genre tropes.

[1:47:26] I like seeing what people do with it.

[1:47:29] So I was a lot more open to this,

[1:47:33] which is also a very old-fashioned ghost story

[1:47:36] in a way that I think before might've felt corny to me,

[1:47:40] but now it feels like classic and cozy.

[1:47:43] And it's just like a fun thing to hang out in.

[1:47:47] Dan, do you wanna see a really scary movie?

[1:47:50] Why don't you watch The News?

[1:47:53] Whoa.

[1:47:55] I'm gonna recommend a movie.

[1:47:57] Do you think that The News is a movie?

[1:48:01] Yeah, I watched it for 90 minutes and then I turned it off.

[1:48:03] Okay.

[1:48:05] And you can just walk away from it.

[1:48:06] There's no sequels.

[1:48:08] Speaking of sequels, I'm gonna recommend a sequel

[1:48:10] that I watched earlier today.

[1:48:12] I'm gonna recommend Den of Thieves Pantera,

[1:48:16] the sequel to Den of Thieves,

[1:48:18] both movies starring Gerard Butler and O'Shea Jackson.

[1:48:22] O'Shea Jackson Jr., is it?

[1:48:24] Junior, I think. Junior, yeah.

[1:48:26] And this is peak Michael Mann wannabe,

[1:48:32] but with the divorce dad element

[1:48:34] tiled up a little bit.

[1:48:35] It's super great, like heist movie action cinema.

[1:48:40] The first movie is a fairly narrow,

[1:48:42] the first movie, Den of Thieves,

[1:48:43] is a fairly narrow scope set in LA

[1:48:46] about robbing a federal reserve.

[1:48:48] Gerard Butler plays a genuinely gross,

[1:48:55] somewhat corrupt cop, I guess, very corrupt,

[1:48:59] who gets kind of involved in this whole thing.

[1:49:00] Whose name is Big Nick, right?

[1:49:02] He's Big Nick.

[1:49:04] And he, like, I applaud the movie

[1:49:06] for how gross they make him.

[1:49:08] Like, he looks like he has not showered in weeks.

[1:49:11] Like, you can smell the cheap cologne

[1:49:14] and booze sweats on him,

[1:49:17] emanating from his Wilson's leather jacket

[1:49:19] he's wearing at all times.

[1:49:21] And this movie, like, it opens it up a little bit.

[1:49:23] It's set in France,

[1:49:25] and it involves a heist of a diamond exchange,

[1:49:28] but it's still got like, it's still a lot of vibes.

[1:49:32] The action sequences are genuinely really tense and good.

[1:49:36] Yeah, it's really, it's really fun.

[1:49:37] I like, I like them.

[1:49:39] In the words of one of my bartenders,

[1:49:42] film critic, Margaret Barton-Fuomo, it rips.

[1:49:47] You have, I'm glad you had to quote someone for that.

[1:49:51] Yeah, I'm giving her a shout out.

[1:49:52] That's, I get like a nickel

[1:49:55] every time I give somebody a shout out.

[1:49:57] Michael's been doing all fucking day with his fucking crew.

[1:50:00] It's his sleepover crew.

[1:50:02] And all of his friends.

[1:50:06] I'm going to, I'm going to recommend a sequel also.

[1:50:09] This is not, this is a sequel probably our listeners have listened to already,

[1:50:12] heard about already, because we've talked about it before, but I,

[1:50:15] you know me, I don't get to watch a lot of movies these days,

[1:50:17] except flop house movies, but luckily for me, on Halloween,

[1:50:22] I introduced my younger son to a certain movie that I really love,

[1:50:26] and he wanted to see the sequel, which I also really love,

[1:50:28] and he watched it, and I was like, wait a minute,

[1:50:30] in the one, Dean Norris is like part of this like tactical squad,

[1:50:35] in this movie, Dean Norris is part of a tactical squad,

[1:50:38] and that movie is Gremlins 2, the new batch,

[1:50:40] where Dean Norris makes a very short appearance as part of this tactical squad.

[1:50:43] So I'm going to recommend, we watched it, we watched Gremlins on Halloween,

[1:50:47] me and my younger son, he really loved it, he loved it so much,

[1:50:50] and so he wanted to watch Gremlins 2,

[1:50:52] when he finished watching it yesterday, Gremlins 2,

[1:50:54] and he was going, literally made him too wound up,

[1:50:57] and he had trouble going to bed afterwards, because he was so excited.

[1:50:59] I get it.

[1:51:00] He was like, this is my favorite movie now,

[1:51:02] this is my favorite movie, before it was over,

[1:51:04] so I'm going to recommend Gremlins 2, the new batch,

[1:51:06] it's just so fun watching it, I was like, this movie is so fun, I love it.

[1:51:09] We went to a screening of the Nighthawk, and I got too wound up.

[1:51:12] Yeah, he's running around, he's running in the aisles.

[1:51:15] It was so hard for Dan to put you down afterwards.

[1:51:17] Hulk Hogan had to tell you to sit down.

[1:51:19] There's something about seeing, and just the older I get,

[1:51:23] the more people in the cast I recognize for their other work,

[1:51:26] and so when I was a kid, I didn't know who Paul Bartel was,

[1:51:29] but now seeing him in the movie, in a scene with Hulk Hogan is so funny to me,

[1:51:34] and just seeing, I don't know, just everyone who shows up in it,

[1:51:38] seeing, why am I forgetting his name,

[1:51:41] who plays the, seeing John Astin in it,

[1:51:45] seeing Henry Gibson show up in a wordless role,

[1:51:49] Dick Miller?

[1:51:50] Dick Miller, I mean, of course Dick Miller,

[1:51:52] but seeing the actors who are in it, it's just so fun.

[1:51:54] So I'm going to say Gremlins 2.

[1:51:56] Why not?

[1:51:57] Watch it.

[1:51:58] It's super fun.

[1:51:59] Do it.

[1:52:00] Hell yeah.

[1:52:01] Really quickly on Gremlins 2,

[1:52:02] I was just in Spain for the Sitges Film Festival,

[1:52:05] and I never know what's going to happen at these festivals,

[1:52:08] because I just arrive and somebody kind of takes me around to what I do.

[1:52:11] I'm not really a planner, but there was one thing,

[1:52:14] it was like, oh, there's a dinner tonight,

[1:52:15] just you and some of the other directors,

[1:52:17] just show up here, get in a car, you go to dinner,

[1:52:19] and I got in the car, and there was an older gentleman,

[1:52:21] and he said, oh, hi, I'm Joe, I'm one of the directors,

[1:52:23] and I was like, are you fucking Joe Dante?

[1:52:25] He was like, yeah, I am.

[1:52:27] And then he was super nice.

[1:52:28] Him and his wife were great,

[1:52:29] and there was a totally unexpected night of eating paella with Joe Dante,

[1:52:34] and I never thought that would happen.

[1:52:36] That's amazing.

[1:52:37] But he was very cool.

[1:52:38] That's awesome.

[1:52:39] Now that my pathetic name dropping is out of the way,

[1:52:41] I'd like to recommend a movie.

[1:52:43] I'm just glad you mentioned somebody we'd heard of

[1:52:44] after talking about your childhood friends.

[1:52:46] That's true.

[1:52:47] Shout out to my New Zealand childhood friends,

[1:52:49] Michael Van Beeck, Thomas Sullivan Robertson,

[1:52:50] Samuel Dunford Baker,

[1:52:52] basically you guys.

[1:52:55] I have an yearbook ad over here.

[1:52:57] An ad for a yearbook.

[1:53:02] My favorite movie that I've seen this year, I think,

[1:53:05] is a movie called Nirvana the Band, the show, the movie.

[1:53:09] I don't know if that means anything to you guys.

[1:53:11] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:53:12] Nirvana the Band is this show, this kind of comedy duo slash collective

[1:53:17] that's been making stuff for almost 20 years now,

[1:53:20] starting on the web and then becoming a television show.

[1:53:22] And then they've made this film, Matthew Johnson, you might know from.

[1:53:25] He directed things like Blackberry and some other stuff.

[1:53:29] But I watched this movie, and it is just kind of – it's so fun.

[1:53:34] It's so funny.

[1:53:35] I was at the premiere at South by Southwest,

[1:53:37] and just the vibes and the laughter in the room was insane.

[1:53:40] Not only is it just an insanely funny kind of back-to-the-future parody

[1:53:45] about traveling back to 2008,

[1:53:47] but it is like a feat of low-budget filmmaking

[1:53:51] that it's incomprehensible how they pulled off some of the set pieces.

[1:53:56] A lot of the stuff that those guys do is they will kind of shoot in public

[1:53:59] with slightly hidden cameras,

[1:54:01] and then if a member of the public gets involved in the scene,

[1:54:03] they'll happily bring them in

[1:54:05] and then rewrite other scenes to shoot earlier in the movie

[1:54:08] so that this weird interaction that they haven't written

[1:54:11] feels like a perfect payoff to something that was set up.

[1:54:14] So it has this just really elastic quality to it

[1:54:18] where the film is just like a joy from start to finish,

[1:54:21] but thinking back on it from a technical point of view,

[1:54:24] it boggles the brain that it exists.

[1:54:27] I was really, really flabbergasted of it as a work of filmmaking,

[1:54:31] and so it's super, super fun.

[1:54:33] Do you know – I was reading about that the other day,

[1:54:35] and I was trying to figure out how I could see it.

[1:54:37] Do you know if it's available anywhere yet?

[1:54:39] It's being distributed by Neon.

[1:54:41] I think it's a pretty limited distribution.

[1:54:43] I think that they were doing a city-by-city tour in the States.

[1:54:46] I'm sure it will come out to streaming sometime eventually,

[1:54:49] but if there's any chance to see it in a cinema,

[1:54:51] I think it would be – it was a raucous experience for me,

[1:54:54] and I went as a fan, but I went with somebody

[1:54:56] who'd never heard of them, never seen any of their stuff,

[1:54:58] and he had a great time as well.

[1:55:00] Yeah, I've heard great word about that.

[1:55:02] I'm very curious about it.

[1:55:05] But now we should give you a chance to plug your own stuff

[1:55:09] if you so desire.

[1:55:12] Oh, sure. I don't have a lot to plug.

[1:55:14] I guess I'll plug the movie Together,

[1:55:16] which I wrote and directed and came out earlier in the year.

[1:55:19] It's now available on streaming, so check that out.

[1:55:23] It's about two people battling to become one, right?

[1:55:27] Yeah, it really, really is.

[1:55:30] How apropos.

[1:55:32] It's a horror movie. It's a body horror.

[1:55:35] I'm really proud of the film,

[1:55:37] and I think Dave Franco and Alison Brie are great in it.

[1:55:40] I've got Dave in my background here kind of screaming at us,

[1:55:43] which is good fun.

[1:55:45] Yeah, you'll laugh, you'll cry, it'll change your life.

[1:55:47] I heard it was a movie about Alison Brie touching Dan's shoulder.

[1:55:50] Okay, let's not.

[1:55:52] Yes, it was.

[1:55:54] Thanks again for that.

[1:55:56] I didn't.

[1:55:58] That makes it seem like I sent a voice memo.

[1:56:00] I just casually was like, oh, that was a high point.

[1:56:04] I didn't know a text message could be sweaty.

[1:56:07] I just said in parentheses, creepy.

[1:56:09] Thanks again for that.

[1:56:11] But it seems like the movie's been received really well.

[1:56:13] That's great.

[1:56:15] Was that like a shocker for you?

[1:56:17] It was a shocker.

[1:56:19] This is my first feature film.

[1:56:21] It's a completely independent film that we shot in Melbourne, Australia,

[1:56:24] and then I spent months in the editing room down here.

[1:56:28] I did a lot of the visual effects in the film myself,

[1:56:30] so I ended up spending extra months just kind of in this room here

[1:56:33] with my computer just kind of making the film finish off.

[1:56:36] Then we premiered at Sundance, and we hadn't test-screened it,

[1:56:39] and nobody had seen it before,

[1:56:41] and it ended up selling for the highest amount at Sundance this year.

[1:56:46] The reaction in the room was like the first joke landed,

[1:56:49] the first jump scare got a gasp,

[1:56:51] and you could just feel that you had it.

[1:56:53] Yeah, I spent most of the screening holding my partner's hand

[1:56:55] and holding my producer's hand and just kind of happily weeping.

[1:56:59] So for it to have come out to be received so well around the world,

[1:57:04] it's been an amazing and unexpected experience.

[1:57:07] Honestly, it's been quite overwhelming.

[1:57:09] So I'm sort of enjoying having just got back from Spain,

[1:57:11] just kind of taking a minute and trying to readjust to live post the movie.

[1:57:16] But yeah, it's been a treat, and it allowed me to meet

[1:57:18] two of my three favorite floppers in the flesh in New York City.

[1:57:23] Yeah, that's the important thing.

[1:57:24] You get to tour the world and meet podcasters.

[1:57:27] Well, they were like, hey, do you know anybody in New York?

[1:57:29] We've got your tickets, and I'm like,

[1:57:31] I guess I'll reach out to Stu on Instagram.

[1:57:34] Thank you. It was very kind of you to do that.

[1:57:37] My pleasure.

[1:57:38] Yeah, I'm like, who did I get a random DM from?

[1:57:41] Wait a minute.

[1:57:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:57:44] Well, actually, this film came together from a random DM,

[1:57:47] from a producer being like, hey, we saw a short film you liked.

[1:57:49] What else do you got?

[1:57:50] So sometimes there's gold in those hills.

[1:57:53] Yeah, a lot of it is like I will say almost all the good things

[1:57:56] that have happened in my career have been me

[1:57:58] randomly saying yes to things that seemed crazy.

[1:58:02] Well, thank you for being on the show,

[1:58:06] particularly because, as referenced,

[1:58:08] you're doing it from the other side of the world.

[1:58:10] So we had to coordinate a schedule that, I don't know,

[1:58:14] wasn't too miserable for anyone, hopefully.

[1:58:18] Hey, what else would I want to do on a beautiful Saturday afternoon?

[1:58:21] Excellent.

[1:58:23] I'd like to, before we go, thank our producer, Alex Smith.

[1:58:27] He goes by the name HowlDotty all over the place online.

[1:58:31] You can watch his Twitch streams, listen to his podcast.

[1:58:34] He's just HowlDotty all over the place.

[1:58:36] Man, that guy loves to HowlDotty.

[1:58:39] You can go to MaximumFun.org,

[1:58:41] check out other great shows on the network.

[1:58:45] You know, hey, just another plug here at the end for Flop TV, right?

[1:58:49] Why not? Why not?

[1:58:50] We don't mention it at odd moments to surprise the listener enough

[1:58:55] so they can't skip over it.

[1:58:57] Flop TV's going on, TheFlopHouse.SimpleThings.com.

[1:59:00] Okay.

[1:59:01] But thank you all for listening.

[1:59:03] For The Flop House, I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:59:05] And I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:59:07] I've been Elliot Kalin, author of Joke Farming,

[1:59:09] How to Write Comedy, Other Nonsense, on bookstore shelves now.

[1:59:11] I should have mentioned that earlier at the top of the show

[1:59:13] when I introduced myself.

[1:59:14] And we've been joined today by...

[1:59:16] Michael Shanks.

[1:59:17] Thank you very much for having me.

[1:59:19] And thanks to the listeners for listening.

[1:59:22] Oh, that's you.

[1:59:23] So professional.

[1:59:24] You heard it. Bye.

[1:59:26] You cannot hear it.

[1:59:35] Elliot's in a seductive mood because it's...

[1:59:38] It's, yeah, it's late as hell over there.

[1:59:40] What, 6 o'clock? 5 o'clock?

[1:59:42] 5.04.

[1:59:43] Oh, man, it's the very demon time for Elliot.

[1:59:47] This is when we get pretty loose around here.

[1:59:49] This is where Elliot starts sending his you-up texts.

[1:59:51] This is when I take a break from work.

[1:59:53] And then I don't pick up again until 9 p.m.

[1:59:56] Pretty hot.

[1:59:58] I see by your...

[2:00:00] Stuart that you're on summary duties. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Would you also like to introduce our guest? Yeah. Yeah. Okay

[2:00:07] Fascinating to see the sausage get paid. Yeah

[2:00:13] The sausage kind of like falls down the stairs and somehow get the casing during the process

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Ep.#466 - The One, with Michael Shanks

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