Episode #396 - 80 for Brady

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss 80 for Brady.

[0:04] In which we get a little bit shady about this group of ladies

[0:09] who are 80 for Tom Brady and a little crazy.

[0:13] Well, maybe.

[0:14] Getting into some slant rhymes in the end.

[0:30] Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse.

[0:42] I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:43] Oh, hey, Dan.

[0:44] It's me, Stuart Wellington.

[0:46] And I'm over here, Elliot Kalin, probably still manning the picket lines.

[0:50] We're recording this episode a little bit, about a week early, but it's very possible

[0:54] that the Writers Guild is still on strike, and I want to thank everyone out there who's

[0:57] supporting us for supporting us during these hard times where we fight for what's best

[1:01] for us, and also what's best for the entire entertainment worker creative community.

[1:06] Yeah, like I support by sending you guys like little memes and funny videos in the group

[1:11] chat.

[1:12] Yeah, that's how you support us.

[1:13] Thank you.

[1:14] You do.

[1:15] You send us with a text message that says, drop whatever shit you're doing right now

[1:17] and watch this.

[1:18] Yeah.

[1:19] Which I can't always do, since usually I'm carrying a sign.

[1:20] Put your sign down.

[1:21] And walking around chanting.

[1:22] But, I mean, Stuart is the wind beneath our wings.

[1:24] Let's be clear about that.

[1:26] Would I rather he went to entertainmentcommunity.org and donated to the Entertainment Community

[1:30] Fund to help film and television professionals?

[1:31] Sure, yeah, but sending us silly memes is also helping us.

[1:35] The thing is, I'm a man who can do both, Elliot.

[1:39] I can fill your heart and your wallet.

[1:41] Why not both?

[1:43] Audrey has a picture of herself where she's like, don't I look so much like the Why Not

[1:48] Both girl?

[1:49] And so she's made a version of it that she now uses with friends.

[1:53] And it's gotten to a point that I don't even notice it's not the original Why Not Both

[1:58] meme anymore.

[1:59] The original meme.

[2:00] I feel like that's the next level, is instead of doing like me and immediately Googling

[2:07] Critter's GIF, instead I'll make my own little GIF, my own little reaction video of myself.

[2:13] That fits the situation.

[2:14] That's similar to how I have a picture of my sons looking at the camera smiling while

[2:19] a house burns in the background.

[2:23] The meme of the same.

[2:24] Did you like that house on fire?

[2:25] I'm not going to say we're being recorded.

[2:28] Yeah.

[2:29] OK, well, we should probably explain this podcast for anyone who has stumbled upon it.

[2:34] So this is a podcast where I incriminate my children with crimes.

[2:38] They're just trying to live out their Manchester by the Sea fantasy experience.

[2:42] I shouldn't have shown them Manchester by the Sea.

[2:45] That was a mistake.

[2:48] This is a podcast.

[2:49] They said they wanted to learn more about grief.

[2:51] So I showed them that and Margaret, and on second thought, maybe they weren't ready for

[2:55] so much Kenneth Lonergan.

[2:56] Yeah.

[2:57] This is a podcast where we watch a movie that, you know, had a shaky reaction either at the

[3:03] box office or critically.

[3:05] Flop is used in a wide range of meanings here.

[3:10] And then we talk about it.

[3:11] We discuss it.

[3:12] We see what we think about it.

[3:14] And this time we watched 80 for Brady, the film that I had.

[3:18] Guys, I just want to take over quickly for a moment here.

[3:21] We're already in charge.

[3:22] But sure.

[3:23] Continue.

[3:24] Yeah.

[3:25] Yeah.

[3:26] I saw the trailer to this movie.

[3:27] I was trying to be in charge, by the way.

[3:28] I would tell everyone that you're in charge and make it seem like the others are in charge,

[3:32] but you're just borrowing it for a moment.

[3:34] Yeah.

[3:35] Yeah.

[3:36] Yeah.

[3:37] That's the president.

[3:38] The middle of the state of the union is like, and if I could talk for a little bit longer

[3:39] and it's like, you got the floor, man, you're the president.

[3:41] Just go for it.

[3:42] So while we're all here, pulls a Ross Perot like, excuse me, excuse me, can I talk?

[3:46] It's a really old reference.

[3:49] Um, no.

[3:51] Did you have the same reaction that I did to the trailer when I saw the trailer?

[3:54] I'm like, what is this movie trying to sell me that like this, like this movie is, is

[4:00] it was sold on the premise of like these four older women want to go to the Super Bowl.

[4:07] Can you believe it?

[4:09] And I'm like, I'm like the Super Bowl is the biggest event in the most popular sport in

[4:17] America.

[4:18] It's not to my taste, certainly, but I do not.

[4:21] You would rather have a literal, you would literally have a soup or bowl.

[4:25] You'd rather have a bowl of soup or some other food in it.

[4:28] Yeah.

[4:29] Yeah.

[4:30] Well, for me personally, not for a movie.

[4:31] I think that also would be kind of feel about the Super Bowl or just like football in general.

[4:37] Uh, I would say that I watch one game of football a year.

[4:43] The puppy bowl.

[4:44] Yeah.

[4:45] Uh, I am there because I am, you know, either at a friend's house or Audrey's family is

[4:51] having a Super Bowl party or you just smoked too much of the good shit and you ended up

[4:54] there, you know, I guess that's another type of Super Bowl you can have, but, um,

[5:00] when he emerged from his haze, he realized he was at a Super Bowl party, but who ate

[5:05] all these chips?

[5:06] Guy who just wandered in.

[5:08] Oh, man, I was hungry.

[5:11] That's practicing for his upcoming stoner comp.

[5:13] I am.

[5:14] This is my, this is my SNL, my SNL character.

[5:16] I'm not sure if I'm auditioning yet as guy who's mad that a stoner wandered into a Super

[5:20] Bowl party or stoner who wandered into a Super Bowl party.

[5:22] I think maybe both characters in the audition.

[5:24] Yeah.

[5:25] I'll let Lauren figure out which one I'm best at.

[5:27] Yeah.

[5:28] But that's why, I mean, like I see, I see a game a year.

[5:31] It's, I get why it's exciting.

[5:33] I just can't sustain that interest in it.

[5:36] And I have all the usual like finger waving issues with, you know, like people getting

[5:40] seriously.

[5:41] Just because it destroys people's brains and their bodies for the entertainment of others.

[5:46] But yeah, it's not to my taste, but I understand that it is extremely popular.

[5:50] So with this movie, it's like, can you believe these ladies?

[5:52] I'm like, yes, I can easily believe that four American women are such fans of football that

[5:59] they're and Tom Brady, a very popular sports figure that they would want to go to the Super

[6:04] Bowl.

[6:05] You got to sell me something else.

[6:06] Movie.

[6:07] I mean, and I guess the movie is selling me these four actors, these actresses who are

[6:12] wonderful.

[6:13] And I, right up top, but before it gets weird, we can all agree.

[6:19] They can all still get it right.

[6:21] Guys.

[6:23] Dan was like, did you have the same reaction?

[6:25] I did.

[6:26] I want to be like arousal.

[6:27] Yeah, of course.

[6:28] Yeah.

[6:29] Yeah.

[6:30] Sure.

[6:31] There's that.

[6:32] I mean, we don't need to turn it into that.

[6:33] Why are you making it weird?

[6:34] I told you, told us not to make it weird.

[6:36] Yeah, you're making it weird and we're not making it weird.

[6:38] We're just being open about the fact that they're gorgeous women and that feel like

[6:41] if we bring it up now and get it out of the way, we don't have to talk about it.

[6:45] I just think that bringing it up first values that above perhaps their acting ability, which

[6:51] is also tremendous.

[6:52] I mean, there's some cases like and like Jane Fonda's, her various charity work and her

[6:59] activism.

[7:00] Like, come on, Dan.

[7:01] There's a lot.

[7:02] There's a lot that Jane Fonda took a lot of shit for in her life that she was right about

[7:07] in retrospect.

[7:08] So let's just be okay with that for a moment.

[7:10] Okay.

[7:11] Let's then you got, you've got three.

[7:13] How do I become the heel of this?

[7:15] Three quarters of them are Oscar winners, right?

[7:17] I don't think Lily Tomlin has ever won an Oscar, but they're all there.

[7:21] They're an amazing group of talents.

[7:22] When I, in my neighborhood for a long time, there was a big 80 for Brady billboard.

[7:26] That was, I saw it almost every day.

[7:28] And you saluted it every time you drove.

[7:32] I was driving.

[7:33] I stood up.

[7:34] I saluted it.

[7:35] I stopped whatever I was saying for a moment of silence.

[7:36] And you started singing ain't that America.

[7:39] And the funny thing was every time we drove past it, my wife would be like, what is that

[7:43] movie just about that?

[7:44] They like football.

[7:45] Like, that's it.

[7:46] Basically saying what you're saying.

[7:47] And also I had to keep reminding myself that it was not the book club ladies that Jane

[7:51] Fonda is the only crossover between book club and 80 for Brady.

[7:55] Right.

[7:56] Yeah.

[7:57] But it'd be crazy if it was a full on crossover though.

[8:00] Because then there'd be two Jane Fondas where she leading a double life.

[8:03] Yeah.

[8:04] That's the, I mean, these are the questions the trailer is going to ask and the movie

[8:07] will have to answer.

[8:08] And I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say right here.

[8:10] So we, so it's not awkward to Jane Fonda's every American man's fantasy.

[8:13] So that, yeah.

[8:14] So stop it.

[8:15] Don't we bring it up?

[8:16] Dan.

[8:17] So it doesn't get weird later.

[8:18] Yeah.

[8:19] God.

[8:20] Look, yes.

[8:21] They're all very beautiful, but also the Hollywood legend.

[8:25] Let's be begrudging about it, Dan.

[8:27] And, and yes, there's a certain amount of, why are these women at this point in their

[8:30] career making a movie like this?

[8:32] It's partly, I have to assume because there's not that many roles for women in their, their

[8:35] age group.

[8:36] There should be more.

[8:37] It's partly because they just have fun together.

[8:38] Yeah.

[8:39] I mean, they're all big football fans.

[8:40] I don't know.

[8:41] I mean, you, you mentioned book club before, but other than Jane Fonda, like that's the

[8:45] obvious point of, of content of like, uh, you know, like reference for this movie where

[8:51] it's like, oh, this was successful with, if you put some older legendary actors in a movie

[9:01] that, that will oftentimes, uh, become like a sleeper hit, whether it be that like older

[9:07] people who would like that feel underserved or the variety of ages who are like, just

[9:13] admirers of these people want to come out and see this movie.

[9:17] Uh, I found this film a little thin.

[9:20] We'll get into it.

[9:21] I would say it is extremely thin.

[9:23] It is as if they, as if they filmed the outline and this movie.

[9:26] So I don't know how much they actually, how, I don't know what stage they were involved

[9:29] in, but this movie credits as its writers, Sarah Haskins and Emily Halpern who wrote

[9:33] book smart, which is, which I love.

[9:35] I thought it was a really fantastic movie.

[9:37] And so it's, I'm very, I'm very curious.

[9:39] I wish that, I wish that we had them here so I could be like, was this movie rewritten

[9:43] a lot?

[9:45] Did they only give you two days?

[9:46] Cause this was one of those like gig jobs.

[9:48] The, uh, the producers are trying to create, you know, to, to, uh, steal money away from

[9:52] writers and make it so our careers crash and burn and none of us can survive and or support

[9:56] our families.

[9:57] Like what happened here?

[9:58] Did they rewrite it all on set?

[10:00] decided they just wanted to ad-lib it through and they didn't even read any of it because

[10:03] it is a movie that is, it is, there is one scene in it that I found funny, which I felt

[10:07] bad about because they're funny performers. And by coincidence, I was watching this movie

[10:13] at the same time that for another thing, I am reading the book version of The Search

[10:18] for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. And so it was like I was, which Lily Tomlin

[10:22] originated in the, as a one-woman show. She didn't write it, but she originated it. But

[10:25] it's like, it was like I was experiencing the highs and lows of Lily Tomlin's career

[10:29] at the exact same time. And it was really giving me Lily Tomlin whiplash, you know.

[10:35] Stewart's already making, you know, saddened. Yeah. My enthusiasm is draining away. So you

[10:43] have un-bunged my, uh, what, uh, my barrel of enthusiasm and my enthusiasm's dripping

[10:49] all over the floor. We're going to have to get a fucking mop. It's so sticky. But here's

[10:54] the thing, guys. It just means it's time for another episode. And by another episode, I

[10:57] mean the first episode of Flop Court. That's right. Flop Court, where Stewart is the lawyer

[11:03] for the defense. Oh, I do declare. Oh, he's just a simple country lawyer. Dan or me can

[11:09] be the lawyer for the plaintiff, the prosecution. And actually, we should be the prosecution.

[11:15] And for judge, let's say, uh, I guess only the Lord can judge us, Elliot. I guess it

[11:21] has to be the Lord. So the Lord will decide at the end of the episode who's right. So

[11:25] Stewart, okay. I was going to do the summary for 80 for Brady. But as the defense, you can go

[11:30] first. Would you rather I go through the summary and you defend the movie point by point as we go?

[11:35] Or do you want to give a general overall opening statement about why 80 for Brady is not barely a

[11:40] movie and a waste of everyone's time? See, in this world of complicated entertainment options,

[11:48] sometimes you just want to watch something simple, you know, maybe a couple old ladies

[11:53] who like football, specifically a football team captained by quarterback Thomas Brady

[12:01] and a rehashing of his successful Super Bowl experience in Super Bowl. What is that? A

[12:07] million, which was something one of the Super Bowl, the one against the Falcons.

[12:11] Now, now, could that movie also feature the likes of Billy Porter, Guy Fieri,

[12:19] Harry Hamlin? Of course it could. Ron Funches. There's no. I will say I did audibly gasp when

[12:27] the opening credits included the name Guy Fieri. He's got a larger role in this than I ever

[12:36] expected. He deserves that opening credits billing. I think he has as much screen time

[12:39] as Billy Porter, I think, which is which is which is objectively strange and more than Bob Balaban.

[12:46] Yeah, that's Bob Balaban. You do get to see him without pants on,

[12:50] which I haven't seen since the movie Girlfriends, where you briefly get to see him nude. So this is

[12:55] so that was for Bob Bala fans out there. This is a nice moment. You finally got to see what

[13:00] he's hiding under the slacks all this time. So I feel like I made my point. It's it's just a,

[13:05] you know, a fun time of the movies. Check your brain in the door. Popcorn. The argument kind

[13:11] of fell apart near the end there. Well, I didn't realize you were the fucking judge, too.

[13:15] I feel like you make stronger arguments as a Southern as a Southern lawyer than as a. So

[13:21] taking over for the for the prosecution, I think I will just describe the plot of the movie.

[13:29] So the movie begins. It's bought. We're in Boston. It's the 2017 AFC Championship game

[13:35] between Boston and the Steelers. And our ladies, Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Rita Moreno and Sally

[13:41] Field, they are old friends who are getting together to watch the game. And they are

[13:44] superstitious, especially Lily Tomlin as Lou, who's the biggest Pat's fan in the house.

[13:50] And they all have to sit in exactly the same places they were and do the exact same things

[13:54] they did when they there was a kickoff that led to a victory once Sally Field is on a ladder

[13:59] changing a light bulb. Lily Tomlin has to spill a bowl of chips. Jane Fonda has to be reading a

[14:04] magazine at a table in the other room. And it feels it's supposed to be heartwarming. But it

[14:09] seemed also like a devastating portrayal of obsessive compulsive disorder that they

[14:14] that they're like, if we don't do these exact things, then the Patriots will lose and Tom

[14:18] Brady will die. So we have to do that. And they all have a crush on Tom Brady. They are all

[14:23] incredibly open to how physically lustful they are for him.

[14:26] Was he was this before or after he showed up to the Kentucky Derby dressed like Judge Dume?

[14:33] Did you remember that? Yeah, yeah. Looked totally just like Judge Dume. It's hilarious.

[14:36] Glasses and everything. Yes. That's I mean, what else would he wear? Like a fucking crazy

[14:42] animated face. And when he was followed by cartoon weasels with razor blades and guns.

[14:47] Man, if that's my fucking goal in life, guys, is to have the weasels from Roger Rabbit follow

[14:52] me around and just do my bidding. Granted, they would be bad at it. They wouldn't always

[14:57] wait. They always go on. They always that's my goal in life. Yeah. One of the things that's

[15:01] your dream. You're saying that's your goal. It's the thing that you're working towards.

[15:05] It's a smart goal. It's doable thing. It's his five year plan. By year three,

[15:11] he has those weasels. They help him get to the next two years.

[15:13] What happens in the first year of this five year plan?

[15:18] Five year plan? This is a 20 year plan. First step, discover Toontown.

[15:23] Yeah, that's going to take a while. And then it's putting out a want ad in the

[15:29] Toontown Times. Yes. Looking for a job. Baby weasels who, you know, you can raise

[15:36] and sort of imprint on you. It really is a 20 year plan. I should mention I should mention

[15:43] I don't know if it's before or after that. It's I should mention that Tom, they all have a crush

[15:47] on Tom Brady, except for Jane Fonda, who is a crush on Rob Gronkowski, Tom Brady's teammate,

[15:52] who also knows Gronk. And she writes Gronkowski erotica, which at this point in the movie,

[15:56] I assumed was like Internet fan fiction. But later on in the film, spoiler, we'll see that

[16:01] it has been published in horror cover and is for sale at the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think

[16:07] those were licensed resellers. She seemed sort of confused the fact that they I don't know.

[16:13] She is surprised to see her work there, but she is excited to autograph and then lead a

[16:20] seated reading of her book. Of her surprisingly tame Gronkowski erotica. It really doesn't cover

[16:26] the physical act of lovemaking. And just, yeah, you said it wasn't leaving snail trails after

[16:30] hearing. OK, why do I was but only because I was watching this in the town from Uzumaki.

[16:36] So I've been turned into a snail man. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. The spiral grew on my shell.

[16:40] Eventually I was eventually my family got me home and I was OK. That's the thing, Dan. Once you see

[16:45] the fucking spiral like you can't unsee it and then everything becomes a spiral. It's crazy.

[16:49] Have you read Uzumaki? I haven't, but I assume it's like spirals. How ever since you've

[16:56] said snail trail, I can't stop thinking about snail trail and getting grossed out.

[17:00] It's kind of like that. I mean, Uzumaki is it's for listeners to know it's a Japanese manga

[17:06] and it posits that spirals are like Pringles and that once you pop, you can't stop. Once you see

[17:11] one spiral, you got to chase that spiral. That was going to be the tagline on the book cover.

[17:15] And I think my favorite moment in the entire series is when the main character,

[17:20] she has gone through a series of unfortunate events. That's for sure. She's been in the

[17:23] hospital. Her cousin is in the hospital. Her cousin becomes all the pregnant ladies in the

[17:29] hospital are using hand drills to steal blood from people. They're blood filled babies when

[17:34] they're born can talk and want to return to the womb. And they are a doctor reinserts a baby into

[17:40] her cousin's womb. The cousin emerges and starts drinking the blood of the doctor and the main

[17:44] character leaves. And the last caption of the chapter is like, I never went back to that

[17:47] hospital. And that's it. It's just throughout the series, like horrific things happen.

[17:52] And the character goes, that was nuts. And then moves on to the next, the next chapter.

[17:57] Yeah. That's why he's the master of modern horror, you know?

[18:00] Yeah. So anyway, we learn a little bit about each of our characters to be. So Lily Tomlin

[18:06] Lou, she had a cancer scare at one point and being a Patriots fan really got her through it.

[18:10] Jane Fonda, she used to be a spokesmodel for like a department store chain or something like that.

[18:15] And now she writes Gronk erotica Rita Moreno. She's a widow and she cannot stop talking about

[18:20] her dead husband. She just misses him so much. And Sally Field is the nerdy math professor who

[18:25] is married to Bob Balaban, who is a very clingy husband who needs her advice on his academic

[18:30] papers. He just cannot, cannot function without her giving advice on his academic papers.

[18:34] He's really holding her back. Yeah. And this, I'm glad that you, you know,

[18:39] outlined the characters as such Elliot, because that's about as far as the movie does.

[18:44] Like if a movie has ever relied on just the simple presence of the performers to give you

[18:52] like a sense of who the people might be, not even who they are, but like who they might be.

[18:58] And for you to like them, it is this film because I, they're all basically ciphers.

[19:04] And it takes, and it took me, I think, 35 minutes to figure out that about their personalities.

[19:08] It is really just, it is like you were watching Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Rita Moreno and Sally

[19:12] Field, just walking around, being them, you know, acting as if they were themselves,

[19:16] aside from these tiny pieces of character. When 80 for Brady does it, Dan, you don't

[19:21] like it, but when your favorite movie Birdman does it and cast Michael Keaton,

[19:25] you're like, Oh, yum, yum, yum. Give me. I don't understand the connection.

[19:33] I love that Dan isn't even fighting the idea that Birdman is his favorite movie. That's how

[19:37] off balance he is through him. Dan, Stuart's already won the war while you're still fighting

[19:43] the battle, dude. He has totally, totally made it impossible to see him as a proper judge of

[19:50] anything now. I mean, I don't hate it like other people do, but I also, it's not one of my favorites.

[19:56] You didn't even notice he had hit you with the sword until your head fell off.

[20:00] So confused by how they're related to one another.

[20:03] What a rhetorical ninja.

[20:05] Anyway, I thought you were going to make the point, Stuart,

[20:07] that the movie is just so full of life that it's seamless.

[20:10] Like a professional magician,

[20:12] you don't even notice the trick is being played,

[20:14] so you think there's no trick.

[20:15] But really, it's that there's very little

[20:17] put into these characters.

[20:19] Here's the gist of it.

[20:21] Lily Tomlin wants to go to the Super Bowl

[20:22] to see Tom Brady play, and they can't afford it.

[20:25] Luckily, there's a TV hotline, two Patriots announcers,

[20:28] and this is how lackluster and how lazy this movie is

[20:31] with some of the ways it does things.

[20:32] I didn't even notice until halfway through the movie

[20:34] that one of these sportscasters is Rob Corddry,

[20:36] someone I know personally.

[20:38] It's because he did the accent.

[20:40] He has that beautiful Boston accent.

[20:43] I've heard him do that Boston accent before,

[20:44] but I realized, I was like, wait a minute,

[20:46] were there no close-up shots

[20:48] of either of these two characters, or just one of them?

[20:51] I couldn't tell, but it was way through the movie

[20:53] that I realized that it was Corddry.

[20:55] Maybe that's because he disappears into the character.

[20:57] I don't know.

[20:59] So this is supposed to be a local sports show, I guess?

[21:04] Yes, but it has a national reach.

[21:06] Yeah, because it's shot like it's an internet show.

[21:12] The graphics are very internet-y, I don't know.

[21:15] That was part of the confusion.

[21:16] I'm like, is this something that is popular,

[21:19] or is this a local radio station?

[21:22] I cannot tell.

[21:23] It also seems to come on right after the game, too.

[21:26] They don't change the channel, I don't think.

[21:27] Here's the thing.

[21:28] This movie, okay, it's set in 2017,

[21:30] but I think what it really is

[21:31] is very sharply positing the future

[21:34] that the Writers Guild is trying to fight against,

[21:37] in which all of entertainment is collapsed into one thing.

[21:42] There are no standards, there are no professionals.

[21:44] A local internet web series

[21:46] is also a national sportscasting thing.

[21:49] Your mom's gronk erotica

[21:51] that she's writing in her living room as a hobby

[21:53] is also a major bestseller published in hardcover.

[21:56] There's no difference between professional and amateur.

[21:59] None of us get paid for any of it,

[22:02] because the machines have taken it from us.

[22:03] That's what the Guild is trying to fight against.

[22:05] And AD for Brady, I realize now,

[22:07] is a chilling vision of that future.

[22:08] So, Stuart, maybe you're right.

[22:10] Maybe there's more to this movie than I thought there was.

[22:11] Yeah, I guess we gotta apologize.

[22:14] Well, I mean, we can do that during the final judgment.

[22:17] You guys apologize to me.

[22:19] Anyway, they decide to enter the contest.

[22:20] That's the gist of what's happening there.

[22:22] Rita Moreno, she lives at a senior center,

[22:26] even though I believe she has her own home,

[22:28] she stays there, because that's where her husband was.

[22:31] Oh, that's what it was.

[22:32] Okay, I couldn't quite understand why she was living there.

[22:34] And she is consistently not getting

[22:36] that Glenn Turman, another person there, wants her bad.

[22:41] And it's like, that's Glenn Turman.

[22:42] He was married to Aretha Franklin.

[22:43] Like, go for it, you know?

[22:45] Like, he's a great catch.

[22:47] I was glad to see that he had survived

[22:51] the gremlin attack that he had been through.

[22:54] I mean, he's been in many things since Gremlins.

[22:57] Oh, really?

[22:57] I'm glad that, yeah.

[22:58] But most recently, Dan saw him in Gremlins.

[23:02] Yeah, most recently.

[23:03] That's nice, okay,

[23:04] because he was the mayor of Baltimore for quite some time,

[23:06] you know, in television.

[23:08] So, but that's, yeah, it is good

[23:10] that he survived the gremlin attack.

[23:12] I love the idea that this is now canon to me,

[23:15] is that's the same character.

[23:17] Yeah, he was a science teacher, you know?

[23:20] He was stabbed with some sort of hypodermic,

[23:23] but you know what?

[23:24] He survived.

[23:25] Maybe it just really slowed his heart down or whatever,

[23:27] and now, you know, he's seen some things in his time,

[23:30] and he's retired.

[23:31] And he's since moved to New England,

[23:33] and it is retired, yeah.

[23:35] That's great, yeah.

[23:35] I think that that sticks in my head from childhood so much,

[23:39] because it was one of the first times I saw him,

[23:41] like, a movie where, like,

[23:43] a character who was not bad, per se,

[23:46] like, just got killed in a horror thing,

[23:50] and, like, it was just sort of casually like,

[23:53] oh, well, there's his body.

[23:54] He's got a hypodermic in his butt, and you don't see, yeah.

[23:57] Like, you don't really see the moment when he dies.

[23:58] They just, they find his body, yeah.

[23:59] Yeah.

[24:01] And, you know.

[24:01] Yeah, and you're like, like, bad things could happen.

[24:04] It's all just chaos, right?

[24:05] To me, right now.

[24:06] Yeah, it's chaos.

[24:07] There's no moral scales in this universe.

[24:12] There's no good.

[24:13] There's no evil.

[24:13] There's just man.

[24:14] There's just brain. No gods, no masters.

[24:16] Yeah.

[24:17] Yeah, there's no, and the,

[24:18] I do like the idea that,

[24:20] Rita Moreno's like, well, you know,

[24:22] ever since my husband died, he's like,

[24:23] I understand, I understand.

[24:24] You know, little laughing reptilian creatures

[24:27] with big ears once attacked the school that I worked at.

[24:31] So I get what it's like.

[24:32] I get it.

[24:34] So anyway, it turns out that we see a flashback

[24:37] where they stumbled on their first Tom Brady game

[24:40] when Lily Tomlin's character was going through chemotherapy,

[24:44] and she was ready to give up, I guess, on life,

[24:48] and, but then Tom Brady's persistence on the field

[24:52] and his ability to come back really inspired her,

[24:54] and she's ready to give up on this contest.

[24:56] They're never gonna win.

[24:57] When a Tom Brady bobblehead,

[24:59] in maybe the most frightening moment in the movie,

[25:01] starts telling her, let's go,

[25:03] and it's a, this is the first time

[25:06] that we see this character hallucinate Tom Brady

[25:08] giving her advice personally,

[25:09] and it opens up a door to a more interesting movie

[25:12] that I wish they had followed with.

[25:14] It's kind of like a Harvey,

[25:16] except instead of Harvey the rabbit,

[25:18] it's Tom Brady that is her imaginary friend.

[25:20] Yeah.

[25:21] I don't know if you're,

[25:22] like, it's a little later in the movie.

[25:23] I don't know if you're getting to it.

[25:24] There's like a scene where we get to actually see them all

[25:27] see Tom Brady for the first time,

[25:28] and I don't know if this bothered you guys,

[25:30] but they were all immediately like,

[25:32] oh, you know, he's so cute.

[25:33] He's so, I mean, like, and I've, you know,

[25:35] I looked up Tom Brady at that point in the movie.

[25:38] I mean, you see his full face later on,

[25:39] but I was like, I look him up.

[25:41] I'm like, oh yeah, he's a handsome man,

[25:44] but right now he has a big helmet on

[25:49] and, like, the little, like, black marks under his eyes.

[25:52] I mean, some people love that, Dan.

[25:53] Just look at international sex symbol, Judge Dredd.

[25:56] Yeah, a man in uniform, dude.

[25:57] I just, I don't think the shot that they used in the film

[26:02] indicated that, like, his face was fully obscured.

[26:05] Well, because here's the thing, Dan.

[26:06] Here's the thing, Dan.

[26:07] Tom Brady, this movie takes it for granted

[26:09] that you are already on board with Tom Brady being a god

[26:12] who strides the earth like a colossus

[26:14] and is everything a man could hope to be, want to be,

[26:17] and work towards and fail to achieve

[26:19] because he's a semi-divine being.

[26:20] The movie just takes that for granted

[26:22] and does not bother to build it up.

[26:23] And at a certain point, I mean,

[26:25] Tom Brady is a producer on this movie, which is,

[26:27] which, so at that point, I was like, I wanna know,

[26:30] did he develop this or did they just attach him, like,

[26:34] did he say, oh, well, I'm gonna be a producer if I'm in it?

[26:35] Because if he developed it,

[26:37] then it is essentially like a vanity piece

[26:39] about him being so great.

[26:40] He's like, it's like, like,

[26:43] it's rare that you see a movie where someone produces a movie.

[26:45] Like being John Malkovich.

[26:46] Well, but except in being John Malkovich,

[26:48] John Malkovich portrays himself as a jerk.

[26:50] He's a creep and a jerk.

[26:51] What?

[26:52] And like, it's, the most heroic thing he does in the movie

[26:56] is he's very polite when he's finding out

[26:58] what colored towels are available

[27:00] when he's ordering them over the phone.

[27:02] But it's very strange to see a movie produced by somebody

[27:06] that's all about what a great person they are.

[27:08] And like, that's what Tommy Wiseau does.

[27:10] Like, it's a, it's,

[27:11] so the movie takes it for granted

[27:13] that you are already a huge fan of Tom Brady.

[27:16] Like, that you already know who he is, what he looks like,

[27:19] that you're aware of his history

[27:21] and you think he's the best already.

[27:23] They don't, a character never kind of like,

[27:25] has to explain what it is that makes Tom Brady great

[27:28] until I guess the very end when Lily Tomlin

[27:30] gives her inspiring motivational speech.

[27:32] But we'll get to that.

[27:33] Can I say a little bit?

[27:34] So-

[27:35] Because you thought it was the Brady Bunch.

[27:36] You thought originally this movie was about the Brady Bunch

[27:38] and there's 80 kids.

[27:40] By the way, I mean like- 84.

[27:41] 84 kids.

[27:42] Off of this, what little I know about the production-

[27:45] 84, you thought it was called 84 Bradys, yeah?

[27:47] Yes!

[27:48] Like 101 Dalmatians, yeah.

[27:50] What little I know of the production is,

[27:52] you know, at the end of this thing,

[27:54] they show like four women

[27:55] and they're like inspired by a true story.

[27:57] And they're truly using inspired in the like,

[28:01] the sense of like, oh, I saw a thing and it inspired me.

[28:06] Like the connection is there was an over-80

[28:09] for Tom Brady club that developed with some women

[28:15] and they went to the Super Bowl at one point.

[28:19] And that's it.

[28:20] That's all you need to make a movie.

[28:21] I guess so.

[28:23] Again, it really is.

[28:24] And these women hung out with Guy Fieri.

[28:27] They did a dance.

[28:29] None of the shenanigans happened.

[28:30] It just happened to be that there were some elderly women

[28:33] who likes Tom Brady.

[28:35] And they're like, oh, that could be a cute movie.

[28:37] Why? I don't know.

[28:39] Why then?

[28:40] So you don't like it that this movie played fast

[28:41] and loose with the facts,

[28:42] but when your favorite movie, Birdman,

[28:44] posits that Michael Keaton had a psychotic break

[28:46] while starring on Broadway, something that never happened.

[28:49] I know.

[28:50] You're okay with that.

[28:51] You're fine, give it the best picture.

[28:52] Weird.

[28:53] The best movie of the year, you say.

[28:54] Elliot, play faster and looser with the facts

[28:57] because so little happens in this film,

[29:00] but essentially it is, I guess,

[29:02] in the spirit of like, yeah.

[29:05] I don't know why I'm on Stewart's side all of a sudden.

[29:07] Which one is it, Dan?

[29:08] Did they deviate from the facts too much

[29:11] or is there nothing happening in the movie?

[29:13] You can't have it both ways.

[29:14] I'm playing the game.

[29:15] That's the thing that is not a premise for a film.

[29:18] Also, over 80 for Tom Brady,

[29:20] while clunky at least makes sense as a sentiment,

[29:23] whereas 80 for Brady, it's like 80 what for Brady?

[29:26] When are we giving him 80?

[29:28] When they blew the rest of the dust off the book,

[29:29] it said how to cook 80 for Brady.

[29:31] Oh, no.

[29:33] Yeah, so the anyway, or how to serve 80 for Brady.

[29:36] I apologize.

[29:37] Anyway, so the, so they, Lily-

[29:39] No, apologize to me.

[29:41] Apologize to the grave of Rod Serling.

[29:43] Okay, and the writers of the Treehouse of Horror

[29:46] at the Snow Dogs that referenced it.

[29:49] So Lily Tomlin, she reveals to her friends

[29:51] that she won the tickets and you're like,

[29:53] why wasn't there a scene where she won?

[29:55] Well, you'll find out, movie-going fans,

[29:57] because it's very obvious what she's doing.

[30:00] She says they won the tickets.

[30:01] Her object work in this scene, and in a lot of scenes,

[30:04] is kind of funny, because she seems so annoyed

[30:06] to have to do anything, that she's like,

[30:09] oh, I'll just pull this stuff out of this, who cares?

[30:11] And she's like dropping things.

[30:12] It's really great, I like it.

[30:14] She has a gender reveal box to reveal the tickets,

[30:18] and they're like, what, a boy, or what?

[30:20] And she's like, it's not a gender reveal, it's just a reveal.

[30:22] And yeah, she seems very annoyed

[30:23] at the props they've handled her, which is very funny.

[30:26] It's a little flash of the real Lily Tomlin,

[30:28] which I enjoy.

[30:29] So Jane Fonda breaks up with her boyfriend,

[30:32] and Lily Tomlin cheers her up.

[30:33] And we, we're introduced.

[30:36] I like, I like this scene,

[30:38] because this is a, I think this is one of the only scenes

[30:40] where Jane Fonda has, she's a, you know, she's a,

[30:45] she's somewhat image obsessed.

[30:47] She has this large collection of wigs.

[30:49] She's always, every time she goes out, she's all done up.

[30:52] And this is, this scene, she has no wig at all.

[30:55] Her hair is very short.

[30:56] She has no, she has less makeup on.

[31:00] And it's good, yeah, it's really cool.

[31:02] Yeah, so you get to see, you get to see her unshielded

[31:05] by the thing, the barriers she puts up

[31:07] between her and the world.

[31:09] They, they, they're going to, they've got to go to the,

[31:11] they've got to go catch the plane to get to,

[31:13] is it Texas where the game is being held?

[31:15] I think it's Texas, yeah.

[31:16] And, but they've got a problem.

[31:18] Rita Moreno has fallen asleep

[31:20] while Glenn Terman is talking to her.

[31:21] Then she took the medication that Jimmy O. Yang,

[31:23] as one of the aides at the retirement home has given her.

[31:27] So they've got to go,

[31:28] and they can't wake her up for some reason.

[31:30] So they, so they have-

[31:31] Well, for this bullshit reason, sorry, don't skim over it,

[31:34] because this is one of the things

[31:35] that annoyed me the most, where it's like,

[31:37] they try and make a bit out of it.

[31:39] But I'm like, even if you make a bit out of it,

[31:41] this makes no sense, where it's like,

[31:42] we take sleeping very seriously here, and-

[31:45] Jimmy O. Yang's just trying to get a little more

[31:47] screen time, and you're hating on him over here.

[31:49] Sleeping seriously, which in another movie could be funny,

[31:52] but I'm busy being angry, like, you just say to someone,

[31:57] we're going to miss a plane, a flight.

[32:00] Like, you don't, they will not not wake someone up

[32:04] under those circumstances, movie.

[32:06] I don't know, we don't know, if they did,

[32:08] maybe that would lead to a comically exaggerated situation,

[32:11] which would lead to laughter,

[32:12] if Jimmy O. Yang refuses to allow any,

[32:15] they're coming up with greater and greater catastrophes

[32:17] that are happening, and that's why they need to wake her up,

[32:19] and he's refusing, but they don't do that.

[32:21] Instead, they trick him into showing pictures of pugs,

[32:25] which he's a pug enthusiast.

[32:26] That's a character trait.

[32:27] It's such a random, thrown-in thing,

[32:31] and it made me so mad that it was like,

[32:33] we've already established that Jimmy O. Yang's,

[32:35] and Jimmy O. Yang is fine in this movie,

[32:36] I like him in a lot of stuff,

[32:38] but we've established that he takes his job very seriously

[32:42] at this old folks' home.

[32:43] That's his character trait.

[32:44] Use that in a funny way to distract him.

[32:48] Out of nowhere, they introduce the idea

[32:49] that he is a pug owner who is so attracted

[32:52] to Jane Fonda's character that she hits on him

[32:55] and asks to see pictures of his dog,

[32:57] and that's enough to distract him.

[32:58] They wheel Rita Moreno out,

[32:59] but then Glenn Terman announces, what,

[33:01] that Pat Sajak is in the building,

[33:03] which itself feels like a dated reference

[33:06] for things old people like, but maybe they still like him,

[33:09] but he still hosts the show, but.

[33:11] Yeah.

[33:12] And they sneak her out, and she wakes up in the car.

[33:14] Oh, boy.

[33:15] I do like when she wakes up in the car,

[33:17] and they're like, we're going to the Super Bowl,

[33:19] and she's like, what?

[33:20] I have to say.

[33:22] That's one of two moments that Rita Moreno

[33:23] has in this movie that I laughed at,

[33:25] but luckily, they have overcome this gatekeeper.

[33:28] Joseph Campbell's 80 for Brady story structure

[33:31] continues to hold that they have reached past,

[33:33] they're now onto the next portal

[33:35] as they get to the place where they will gain knowledge

[33:37] they will then bring back with them.

[33:38] They overcome it, but that's part of my,

[33:41] so part of my problem with this movie, right,

[33:43] like the normal version of this movie, or not normal,

[33:48] but like the typical version of this movie.

[33:49] Let's not use the term normal, Dan, yeah.

[33:50] The typical version of this movie would be,

[33:55] more of a road trip film, right?

[33:56] Yes, yes, yeah.

[33:57] Like what confuses me about this movie

[34:00] is it sets itself up like it's going to be a road trip movie

[34:05] and like that lends itself

[34:07] to this sort of ramshackle structure it wants to have

[34:10] where it's just like a bunch of encounters,

[34:11] a bunch of shenanigans.

[34:13] A Muppets movie type thing, yeah.

[34:14] Yeah, and so in another movie,

[34:17] like maybe they would miss their flight because of this

[34:20] and then would have to cobble together ways

[34:22] to get to the Super Bowl

[34:23] where then they would have more obstacles to get over,

[34:25] blah, blah, blah.

[34:26] This movie, they have this easily surmountable obstacle

[34:30] at the beginning.

[34:32] They fly to where the Super Bowl is going to be.

[34:35] They have a bunch of unrelated shenanigans in that area

[34:39] that have nothing to do with like the central thing really.

[34:44] And then they have problems losing the ticket.

[34:47] We'll get to it, but like-

[34:48] You know, the thing is, Dan,

[34:49] maybe it is inspired by a true story.

[34:51] So maybe they're dedicated to just telling the real story.

[34:54] They said, we wish that we could have had them

[34:55] miss the flight.

[34:56] That would have been really funny,

[34:57] opened up a lot of comic opportunities,

[34:59] but the real ladies did not miss their flight.

[35:00] No, that's the thing.

[35:02] Yeah, we had to stick to the facts, you know.

[35:04] Yeah, their flight was very nice.

[35:06] In real life, it actually got in a little early,

[35:10] which is always wonderful.

[35:11] You know, you can pull that off if the winds are with you.

[35:14] Yeah, yeah.

[35:15] Yeah, they said, we have to follow,

[35:17] look, we made this movie,

[35:18] we made a promise that we'd follow Vera Chitilova's law

[35:22] that you have to tell the truth on film.

[35:23] You gotta be honest.

[35:24] And so that's what we did.

[35:26] But I think the-

[35:27] Anytime there was any conflict or drama

[35:29] that threatened to break out, we said, no, no.

[35:32] That didn't happen. That wouldn't be truthful.

[35:33] Now, I think you're right.

[35:36] If this was a stronger movie,

[35:37] they would have obstacles that were real obstacles,

[35:40] and it would be funny to see them overcome them.

[35:41] I think, one, there's something about the idea

[35:44] of watching these performers face the indignity

[35:47] of having to go through acting out,

[35:49] overcoming those obstacles, that makes me cringe inside.

[35:53] So it's like, in this movie, nothing much happens.

[35:56] They just skate through it.

[35:57] But I'm also kind of like, you know what?

[35:58] I don't wanna see these, I love these performers.

[36:01] All four of the leading ladies in this movie,

[36:03] I feel like I am a fan of.

[36:04] I've loved their work.

[36:05] I think they're great.

[36:06] And I kind of don't-

[36:08] Jane's about to get weird.

[36:09] Just calm, just tamp it down.

[36:10] We're doing a podcast.

[36:12] The idea of seeing them go through scenes in a bad movie

[36:16] where they have to really exert themselves

[36:18] is kind of pain.

[36:18] If it was a good movie, I'd be like, yeah.

[36:20] The idea that in a bad movie, they would have to like,

[36:23] even later when they're like,

[36:24] they have to do a dance routine.

[36:25] I like that they're not exerting themselves that much.

[36:28] Yes, even when they have to do a dance routine,

[36:30] it is not a comically overwrought dance routine

[36:33] where it looks like they might hurt themselves.

[36:34] It's just kind of them shuffling around.

[36:36] And I'm like, you know what?

[36:37] They've earned it at this point.

[36:39] It doesn't also make it a bad movie, though.

[36:41] I agree with you on that.

[36:43] I think you could still have that sort of breezy

[36:45] skating through attitude while having, you know,

[36:49] like a story that sort of hangs together

[36:51] as more just like a series of scenes.

[36:52] In your favorite movie, Birdman.

[36:54] Yeah, okay.

[36:55] It does not hang together particularly.

[36:56] It does not.

[36:57] No.

[36:57] Yeah, the unexpected benefit of not hanging together,

[37:01] is that what's the?

[37:01] Something like that.

[37:02] Mm-hmm.

[37:03] So the ladies fly off to the Super Bowl.

[37:07] They have a, there's,

[37:08] it's just a couple, a lot of little sketch scenes.

[37:10] Sally Field's never flirted before

[37:11] and she tries to flirt with their driver.

[37:15] They all have to share a hotel room

[37:16] and the hotel is just decorated with stand-up,

[37:18] cardboard standees of football players

[37:20] and they lust all over them.

[37:22] And Lily Tomlin, she goes into another fugue state

[37:25] near the Tom Brady one and appears to be talking to her.

[37:29] That night, Lily Tomlin gets a call from her daughter,

[37:31] played by Sarah Gilbert.

[37:33] I was very excited to see her, somewhat like,

[37:36] I feel like, I'm gonna, look,

[37:37] we said it already, that the ladies are beautiful.

[37:39] A lot of crushes in this movie.

[37:40] When I was a kid, huge crush on Sarah Gilbert

[37:42] when she was on Roseanne, when I was a kid.

[37:45] Yeah, and dark-haired, sarcastic.

[37:47] Was she the writer of the comics?

[37:49] Or the, yeah, she was the writer

[37:50] and David was the artist, right?

[37:52] For sure, yeah.

[37:53] David wasn't gonna be able to think of those things.

[37:55] He was kind of a lunkhead.

[37:56] You know, he's like a nerdy lunkhead,

[37:57] but he's kind of a lunkhead.

[37:58] She was the-

[37:59] But that lunkhead, that lunkhead made a lot of money

[38:02] on that Big Bang Theory, so.

[38:03] Well, again, this is the character I'm talking about,

[38:05] not the actor.

[38:07] But anyway, so she's Lily Tomlin's daughter.

[38:09] She goes, the hospital's been trying

[38:10] to get in touch with you.

[38:11] Where are you?

[38:12] Oh, I went to New Hampshire with the girls.

[38:13] Oh, that sounds nice.

[38:14] Anyway, you should call back the hospital.

[38:15] They have test results for you.

[38:17] And-

[38:18] So we have a ticking clock.

[38:19] What more do you guys want?

[38:21] Yeah, we have a, the next morning,

[38:23] everyone decides-

[38:24] The unrelated is ticking clock.

[38:25] Yeah, it's not related to anything that's going on.

[38:27] It's a thematic ticking clock.

[38:28] And it's not even really a ticking clock

[38:30] because we never actually see the result.

[38:32] Spoiler alert, we never get the results of those tests.

[38:34] It doesn't matter.

[38:35] It's like the bowling tournament in Big Lebowski.

[38:38] It's just, it's not real.

[38:39] We can get by implication what it was,

[38:42] but yeah, it's never said.

[38:44] The opening of Philadelphia's largest building.

[38:46] I get it.

[38:46] Yes, yes, thank you.

[38:47] At least, yeah, in that it is,

[38:49] in that we are being so teased.

[38:51] We were given such narrative blue balls

[38:52] by what's going to happen with that.

[38:55] The opening of Philadelphia's largest building.

[38:57] I love the moment when James McAvoy goes,

[38:59] and now to go to the building

[39:01] and then they tackle him again.

[39:03] He never gets there.

[39:06] Anyway, so it's morning.

[39:08] Everyone decides, Sally Field,

[39:10] you are the most responsible of us.

[39:11] You hold the tickets.

[39:12] And she puts them in her fanny pack,

[39:13] fanny pack, which she refers to as a strap-on,

[39:15] which leads to a comical, huh, reaction from the waitress.

[39:18] Oh, hell yeah, right.

[39:20] Yeah, this is a joke that's repeated multiple times

[39:23] and failed to get funnier.

[39:25] It fails.

[39:26] It doesn't really necessarily work.

[39:27] Although I will say, not since the bird

[39:29] that has a funny reaction to James Bond's boat

[39:33] in that it turns into a car.

[39:35] Has there been a more shoveled in reaction

[39:38] from an actor in a movie?

[39:40] Like they literally cut away to a waitress

[39:42] who goes, hmm?

[39:43] And has wide eyes and she's a strap-on.

[39:45] That we never see that extra again.

[39:47] We never see it.

[39:48] Yeah, I wish there was a bulldog or something in there

[39:51] that would do a take.

[39:52] Obviously, I wish that later on

[39:54] with this whole strap-on joke

[39:56] that she would mention her strap-on

[39:57] and somebody would pull out a big old strap-on.

[40:00] Sure, of course.

[40:01] That would, I mean, not, I mean.

[40:03] Not to you, Dan.

[40:04] As a capper.

[40:06] I'm not the one being weird.

[40:07] So she can understand why people have been thinking it's weird all that time.

[40:10] It's a joke that has no payoff.

[40:12] Except, yeah.

[40:14] I just want to say that I'm glad that you elevated that pigeon

[40:18] to the level of actor when you made that comparison earlier.

[40:21] Technically, it is a piece of stock footage of a pigeon

[40:24] that I think they reversed.

[40:25] So it looks like it's moving its head.

[40:26] Yeah, like three times.

[40:27] It goes like a triple take.

[40:29] Dan, Dan, I want all writers to be recognized for their work.

[40:32] I want all actors to be recognized for their work.

[40:34] And that means sometimes animal actors, too.

[40:36] Even if it's just stock footage that has then been manipulated.

[40:40] In a sort of Kuleshov effect moment where it looks like it's reacting to something.

[40:43] Okay, so they go to the NFL pregame experience.

[40:46] Now, my only experience with one of these events

[40:48] was when the Writers Guild Awards was held

[40:51] the same weekend that the Super Bowl was in the New York area.

[40:54] And I had to wade my way through the intense crowds of Times Square

[40:58] to get to the Edison Ballroom.

[40:59] And it was maybe the scariest moment of my entire life.

[41:02] And I've flown in helicopters over Afghanistan

[41:05] when there was an act of war going on for a week.

[41:07] I wasn't, it's not like I served there.

[41:08] And this was the scariest moment of my life,

[41:10] was wading through these crowds and feeling like

[41:12] if this crowd decides it wants to go in a different direction,

[41:14] there is nothing I can do about that.

[41:16] I am just gonna be swept away, maybe never to be seen again.

[41:18] So, but this NFL experience is a little bit less, yeah?

[41:21] That's like when I go to Gen Con

[41:24] and I'm there for the opening of the vendor hall

[41:26] and everybody wants to get all the cool new games right away.

[41:29] And I'm right up front every time.

[41:31] Exactly.

[41:31] I just wanna be carried away,

[41:33] swept away into that big hall of games.

[41:35] And this NFL experience is a little bit lower key.

[41:39] It's a little bit more modest.

[41:40] They each have their adventures.

[41:41] Lily Tomlin defeats a Falcons fan

[41:43] in a football tossing contest

[41:44] and then becomes like a football tossing hustler.

[41:48] And she-

[41:49] With her hype man, Rita Moreno.

[41:50] Yes, Rita Moreno is her hype man.

[41:52] Rita Moreno is betting on all of it

[41:53] because Rita Moreno, we now learned

[41:54] in her second character trait

[41:56] that she is an excellent gambler.

[41:58] Her husband was a gambler who was bad at it,

[42:00] but Rita Moreno was the good gambler in the family.

[42:03] I did like the joke when the guy's like,

[42:05] the guy running the stall is like,

[42:07] hey, no betting, but I actually don't care

[42:09] that much about my job, so you can do it.

[42:11] Yeah, that was a good joke.

[42:12] That was funny.

[42:13] Jane Fonda, her Gronk Erotica book is on sale in hardcover

[42:16] and she finds there's a lot of fans there

[42:17] and she holds a reading of it.

[42:19] And Sally Field enters Guy Fieri

[42:21] as they insist on pronouncing his name.

[42:23] Because I guess that's how he pronounces it.

[42:24] That's how he pronounces his name.

[42:25] No, yeah, but-

[42:26] But it did stick out every time

[42:28] since the average American says Fieri,

[42:31] although I'm sure Fieri is the proper way to say it, yeah.

[42:34] Yeah, no, yeah, it's definitely a situation

[42:36] where he told everyone and they're like,

[42:39] okay, that's, you know, we want to respect you, Mr. Fieri.

[42:42] Like, but it does seem odd because other than,

[42:47] I've never heard it pronounced that way

[42:48] other than on My Brother, My Brother and Me

[42:50] where they over-pronounce it correctly as a goof, you know?

[42:54] So when Sally Field is running around,

[42:56] running past each of the outhouses or the port-a-johns

[42:59] saying, Mr. Fieri, Mr. Fieri, it feels very false.

[43:02] Anyway, Sally Field, she enters a Guy Fieri

[43:05] hosted Spicy Wings contest, which she easily dominates.

[43:09] She just destroys everyone.

[43:11] For me-

[43:11] Because she's hungry, she wants to eat some wings.

[43:13] You guys, for me, Sally Field is the MVP

[43:16] of the four of them in this.

[43:18] Very much so, most valuable performer, yeah.

[43:21] She, like, you know, the stuff that I did find charming

[43:24] was mostly her and like her sort of lack of

[43:28] just like blase attitude during eating all of this

[43:32] like hot food.

[43:32] Yeah, like eating hot sauces called like the Devil's Taint.

[43:35] Was very funny, but not in like a,

[43:37] not in like a I'm cool, I'm eating all of this way.

[43:41] Like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm so good at eating hot food.

[43:44] As a, like, she genuinely is just like really hungry.

[43:46] How would they have shown that?

[43:47] She's got like barbecues on.

[43:48] Like when like Dutch Angles and stuff?

[43:48] Yeah.

[43:50] I'm just saying that the joke could have been like,

[43:54] I'm so cool.

[43:55] And like, in some ways that was kind of

[43:56] the Lily Tomlin joke of like,

[43:59] yeah, you don't expect her to be good at this,

[44:00] but she's like, you know.

[44:01] Guess what?

[44:02] She's actually amazing at showing off all these things.

[44:04] Whereas there's just something about the casualness

[44:06] that Sally Field has.

[44:07] And also the casualness in which Sally Field

[44:10] throws down on these wings.

[44:12] Yeah.

[44:13] If you see, there's a lot of scenes of these women

[44:15] getting big plates of football food in front of them.

[44:18] And at no point do you see Jane Fonda even come within a-

[44:21] She doesn't even look at the food.

[44:22] A mile of taking a bite.

[44:24] But Sally Field's like getting it all over her face.

[44:26] Yeah, give me those wings, she says.

[44:28] I mean, there's a part later on

[44:29] where Sally Field is dancing.

[44:30] In my notes, I say, Sally Field is adorable.

[44:33] Like, it's, you know, she definitely,

[44:35] none of them come off badly from this.

[44:36] But she, I think maybe because Sally Field, like,

[44:39] I don't have a sense of like her as a persona.

[44:42] As a, like, she plays different roles.

[44:44] Whereas Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Rita Moreno,

[44:46] I have a persona in my mind for what they're like

[44:48] as their ur-character that travels between roles.

[44:51] But Sally Field, I don't.

[44:52] And Sally Field really like,

[44:53] there's part of me that's like,

[44:54] I bet this is what Sally Field is like.

[44:56] If not, it's an amazing acting job

[44:58] because it feels so natural.

[44:59] But I bet she's just like a cute, lovable person, you know?

[45:01] Well, I did-

[45:03] Who loves wings.

[45:03] I did see-

[45:04] You just cannot-

[45:05] Can't get enough.

[45:06] Can't stop shoving wings in her mouth, yeah.

[45:07] I did see a fair amount of, like,

[45:11] promotion for this get passed around on the internet.

[45:14] Like-

[45:15] Okay.

[45:16] Yeah, I'm always amazed of these actresses

[45:18] talking to one another.

[45:19] On your Cougar Reddit board that you visit?

[45:21] Yeah, sure.

[45:22] As you can imagine, like,

[45:24] they're just very fun to see, you know.

[45:29] Gene Siskel had that famous thing where it's like,

[45:32] is this movie more or less interesting

[45:35] than these performers just hanging out

[45:37] and having lunch together?

[45:38] And it's much less interesting than-

[45:40] The movie is much less interesting than these interviews

[45:42] where you just get to see the real people.

[45:44] And Sally Field, I would say, is sort of charmingly grumpy.

[45:48] She's like lovably kind of like, yeah, prickly.

[45:52] I believe that.

[45:53] I mean, it is only occurring to me now, which is amazing.

[45:56] I think this is the reunion of Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin.

[45:59] Like, have they not worked together since nine to five

[46:01] or did they work together in between the two?

[46:03] Like, that should be a bigger thing

[46:06] that is exciting to me.

[46:07] And yet it's not.

[46:07] No, they work together all the time.

[46:09] They're on, what, Grace and Frankie?

[46:10] Oh, that's right.

[46:11] They did Grace and Frankie together.

[46:12] That's right.

[46:13] They work together all the time.

[46:14] I don't want to watch anything Barron Vaughn is on.

[46:16] Yeah, you don't support the LGBTQ movement.

[46:19] Yeah, if Barron Vaughn's doing something

[46:22] that's not mystery science theater, I'm like, traitor.

[46:23] I'm not going to watch this.

[46:24] But, so I forgot.

[46:26] They work together all the time.

[46:27] They had their reunion.

[46:28] Nevermind.

[46:29] So no wonder with this,

[46:29] it's nothing special to see them together.

[46:31] Anyway.

[46:32] I mean, yeah, it is.

[46:33] It's always special to see the two of them together.

[46:34] They're great.

[46:35] Yeah, just like it's special for all of us

[46:36] to see one another together.

[46:38] Yeah, that's right.

[46:39] Old friend.

[46:41] Yeah.

[46:42] Actually, we'll be in it.

[46:43] As friends as the wind blows.

[46:46] As friends as the grass grows.

[46:47] I can only hope that when we're like 80,

[46:50] we'll be doing a movie or a podcast

[46:52] where we really want to see some sports figure

[46:55] that's half our age.

[46:56] Yeah, well, I mean, when we're 80,

[46:58] probably less than half our age, probably, yeah.

[47:00] I mean, it depends on the sports figure.

[47:02] Maybe it's a golfer.

[47:03] That's true.

[47:04] A golfer who is slightly older than us.

[47:06] Yeah, yeah.

[47:08] So they all have those.

[47:09] And during this Wings contest,

[47:12] Sally Field does something that doesn't make any sense,

[47:15] but we know it has to be done for the plot.

[47:17] She takes off her strap-on, which has the tickets in it.

[47:20] And it is so telegraphed

[47:22] that this is something that's gonna be a plot device.

[47:23] But anyway, also Jane Fonda,

[47:25] she's approached by a fan of her erotica.

[47:27] That's right.

[47:28] It's Perseus himself, Harry Hamlin.

[47:30] Yay!

[47:31] As Daniel Callahan, a former Super Bowl champ.

[47:34] And he is totally into her.

[47:35] He recognizes her as a former spokesmodel

[47:37] for what I had assumed was a local chain of stores.

[47:40] But I guess as a national chain,

[47:42] again, there's no sense of a frame of reference in this.

[47:45] Everything exists at the level of everything.

[47:48] He might've played football for the local team.

[47:52] Yeah.

[47:54] For the local team.

[47:55] You know, I also played for the local team.

[47:59] And they're all hanging out with Guy Fieri.

[48:02] They're invited to a big party by Harry Hamlin.

[48:04] And Guy Fieri is like, you gotta go.

[48:06] I'm gonna be there.

[48:06] It's the biggest party about the Super Bowl.

[48:09] And at the party, they lazily are handed

[48:12] and accidentally take pot gummies by,

[48:15] is it the host of the party's teenage daughter

[48:18] or college-age daughter?

[48:19] Why is she there?

[48:20] She doesn't seem to wanna be there.

[48:22] She's not dressed up for a fancy party.

[48:23] I mean, maybe she's paid to be there.

[48:25] You never know.

[48:26] Makes sense.

[48:27] That's true.

[48:27] She's a gummy service girl?

[48:28] She just does gummy service?

[48:30] Yeah.

[48:31] In one of these, we accidentally had pot scenes.

[48:35] Like usually-

[48:36] In that movie, we accidentally bought a zoo.

[48:37] Yeah.

[48:38] Because we accidentally had pot.

[48:42] Man, I was so high last night, I bought a zoo.

[48:44] Can you believe it, man?

[48:46] Yeah.

[48:49] You gotta be real high to buy a zoo, man.

[48:53] Because you gotta apply for the-

[48:54] You ever been that high?

[48:55] You ever been so high that you're still high

[48:57] while you apply for the loan,

[48:59] while you fill out the paperwork,

[49:01] when you get licensing from the state, man,

[49:03] and you're still high.

[49:05] There's so many rare animals.

[49:07] They don't just let you have that,

[49:08] but I was high the whole time.

[49:11] I was so high, I learned how to take care of a cassowary.

[49:16] I wake up, I come out of it, man,

[49:17] and I'm feeding a cassowary.

[49:19] And I'm like, how high was I?

[49:21] I guess that's my-

[49:27] SNL audition?

[49:28] My SNL character, yeah.

[49:29] That's my SNL.

[49:30] So I guess I'm going with the guy who wandered into,

[49:32] the guy who's high and wandered into Super Bowl.

[49:33] Man, I'm just glad I wandered into a Super Bowl party

[49:36] this time, because last time I was high, I bought a zoo.

[49:40] Anyway, the point is-

[49:42] Yeah.

[49:43] I wake up, I wake up,

[49:44] and I'm laying out food for a scarlet ibis,

[49:47] and I'm like, what?

[49:48] What did I do?

[49:49] Luckily, it's mostly birds.

[49:50] As I said, exotic birds, cassowaries, scarlet ibises.

[49:54] We've got cormorants.

[49:55] Yeah, we've got all sorts of birds.

[49:57] Oh, man.

[49:57] We've got a-

[49:58] What?

[49:59] We got a spoon-

[50:00] bill. Oh, man, what did I do last night? And for the past four years, it took me to go

[50:07] to zoo school. I come out of this high, man, and I am in the middle of receiving a plaque

[50:13] for 20 years of service to the state owning this zoo, which has received numerous awards.

[50:20] All my life, it just passed me by. And that's how high I was. And anyway, kids, that's why

[50:24] I'm here to talk to you to stay off drugs. Because before you know it, your life has

[50:28] passed and you are a respected elder in the zoo owning community.

[50:35] You wake up in bed one day realizing, wait a minute, this is not my beautiful wife, but

[50:39] it is Jane Goodall. You married her. Oh, wow.

[50:43] Weirdly enough, she doesn't actually like gorillas. No, well, chimpanzees. Jane Goodall

[50:50] likes chimpanzees. She probably doesn't like gorillas. What a great run until Stewart

[50:56] had to throw the nails in our way and pop our tires.

[51:00] We need to go back and check that one. How many Pinocchios did we get from that one?

[51:06] That's what you get when you tell lies about chimpanzee Pinocchios. Anyway, we'll come

[51:11] on down to chimpanzee Pinocchios, the only Italian restaurant entirely staffed by chimpanzees.

[51:16] We get a lot of casualties. A lot of people don't leave this restaurant a lot.

[51:20] I think we have almost as many Pinocchios as the 2023 movie slate.

[51:30] The listeners can't see Stewart's Johnny Carson face after that one.

[51:34] So, Dan, what were you going to say about 80 for Brady?

[51:40] Just that usually if you're going to have a scene in a movie where someone accidentally

[51:44] takes drugs, it is in, say, a brownie that is easily mistaken for just a normal, like

[51:50] the fact that you're saying that you're saying that a party wouldn't normally take gummies

[51:55] out of a plastic bag and assume that it was not a drug, OK, especially because these characters

[52:01] have clearly smoked pot before, at least some of them like they like they're like, it's

[52:06] not it's not something it's not like they're like, oh, my God, drugs.

[52:08] Oh, no. What am I going to do? They're like irritated by it. They're like, oh, we took

[52:12] drugs by accident. You know, I got to ride this high out. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, they

[52:17] do that and they decide they need to find Guy Fieri as Rita Moreno really starts tripping.

[52:22] She wanders and she puts on a eyes wide shut mask and she wanders into a room. That's how

[52:27] you know it's a nice house. Yes. She wanders into a poker room where everyone has Guy Fieri's

[52:31] face, including her. And it's just like the bubble. That's I was I watch it. I'm like,

[52:36] this is the same joke as the bubble. Has anyone in Hollywood ever done drugs? Do they know

[52:40] at all what the effects of pot are? Because, again, as we talked about the bubble episode,

[52:44] go see it. As seen in our bubble episode, Smile and Stand, that like the there's no

[52:50] that like we does not make you. It doesn't make you hallucinate. Like you don't. It's

[52:55] anyway, unless I mean, maybe it's like triggering an underlying condition.

[52:59] That's possible. That's possible. She is older. I mean, maybe they were acid laced gummies.

[53:05] I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Micro dosing. But even I mean, I don't know. In the various

[53:11] times I've done acid, I never imagined everybody's faces were someone else's face. And I Dan,

[53:18] Dan, I. Well, Dan, you've gone through the doors of perception. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're

[53:24] rooms. We're all heads. We're all the seekers of the pattern. And I've never done psychedelics

[53:29] because my my handle on reality, I think, is loose enough that I don't really want to

[53:33] push it. I mean, no time like the present. Yeah. I don't know. You're 40s. Why you get

[53:38] into it? Yeah. Come on. Well, just when I become comfortable with the number of things

[53:41] I see in my waking life that I know are not actually there, I should start throwing some

[53:45] throwing some new things into my. Yeah, that's what I like to hear. Anyway, it just kind

[53:50] of joke I would have expected from like Skidoo, like a movie from the 60s where middle aged

[53:55] people are making jokes about drugs and they've never done it. But, you know, Jane Fonda smoke

[53:58] pot. You know, Lily Tomlin probably smoke pot that day. Like, you know, this is not

[54:03] a thing that they know that doesn't happen anyway. So Lily Tomlin, Sally Field, they're

[54:07] mad that they can't find the tickets, but then they do dance on the dance floor a bunch.

[54:11] And this was the time that I think the one time in the movie I audibly laughed. And when

[54:15] Sally Field stoned, here's the music. Once I start dancing, takes her jacket off and

[54:20] just throws it on a guy who's passing by. And I don't know. It's not even a joke. It's

[54:26] just she does it. Well, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She I mean, she sells the material punches

[54:31] a guy in the face. She then commiserates with him and learns how to flirt. And she

[54:36] tells her husband off. And this guy falls in love with her. Yeah. He tries to kiss her.

[54:40] And she says, no, that's not what we're doing. And anyway, Rita Moreno comes out of her hallucination

[54:46] to find that she is dominating a poker game with Billy Porter, Patton Oswalt, Marshawn

[54:52] Lynch and Reda. Right. Like those the people. Yeah. And she and Billy Porter is not playing.

[54:57] They're not playing themselves, I guess. Billy Porter is playing a character named

[54:59] Gugu who we find later is a dance choreographer. And she just totally wins. And eventually

[55:07] we'll we'll get to what happens there. Lily Tomlin reveals her daughter. Thanks for drawing

[55:12] out the suspense. Yeah. Lily Tomlin reveals her daughter that she is in Texas and she's

[55:16] refusing to find out the results of the hospital tests because she's worried it's just going

[55:20] to tell her that her cancer has returned and she cannot handle that. She catches Jane Fonda

[55:24] making out with Harry Hamlin and tells her about the tickets being missing. She's mad

[55:28] they're making out Rita Moreno. She wins the pot at the poker game. She did it. They can

[55:32] buy new tickets. Oh, it was a charity poker game. And she and so I think she in honor

[55:40] of Billy Porter, she she donates it all to Broadway Cares. Right. Because that's cause

[55:44] much like you can donate to the Entertainment Community Fund at Entertainment Community

[55:48] dot org to help support writers and other entertainment professionals who may be in

[55:53] need if this strike goes longer. Anyway, they still don't have tickets there. Lily

[55:57] Tomlin's mad at Sally Field that she lost the tickets because she's like, this is my

[56:00] last chance. This is my last chance. And she hasn't told them she's expecting hospital

[56:05] results. She hasn't opened the hospital results, but she's assuming they are negative and that

[56:08] she is dying next morning. And also and also Thomas Brady nearing the end of his career.

[56:15] That's part of as far as they know. Yeah. They don't know that Tom Brady will soon retire

[56:19] and then come out of retirement to play at the expense of his marriage. Yeah. Yeah. That's

[56:26] yeah. Well, we don't get it. It is it is at no point do they talk about Tom Brady's marriage

[56:31] in this movie. Weird. It seems like something they might bring up if their ladies have a

[56:35] crush on him. But maybe not. Anyway, I guess there's a Giselle shaped hole in the heart

[56:39] of this movie. Well, maybe it's one of those things where they don't want to talk about

[56:42] because if they don't mention it, it doesn't exist. Like when you buy a zoo and you don't

[56:48] mention it. No, the zoo is still there, Stu. You need to feed those animals. No, but if

[56:52] you don't tell anybody, it's not like real, right? Yeah. If you buy a zoo in the forest

[56:57] and you don't tell anybody about it. Did you really buy a zoo? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen

[57:01] that movie. Do they like if you don't check your bank account? Yeah. The money's still

[57:05] there probably. Yeah. Sure. Do they do a what? We bought a zoo reveal party where they reveal

[57:09] what they bought to their friends and family. Is that a scene in the movie? Because I haven't

[57:13] seen it. I haven't seen it either. And you know what? I stuck with Cameron Crowe for

[57:17] a long time after I should have known better. But I missed that one. OK, so it was a town,

[57:22] right? He did that one. He did. Elizabeth Towne. Yeah. Yeah. That has both moments in

[57:28] it that are like very interesting and fun. And then the like a bunch of stuff that you're

[57:35] like, why is what do you do? Did you get aloha? Right. Yeah. Hello. Did you. I don't know.

[57:43] Feels like an oversight. Lawrence Kasdan. It might be Lawrence Kasdan. I don't know who did

[57:47] Mumford's Sons. Oh, yeah. As for Mumford and Sons, I don't know. And yeah. And the yeah.

[57:55] What was the last movie Cameron Crowe did? Was it Aloha? He must have done something since then,

[57:58] right? He did that show about roadies on Showtime. Oh, right. Right. It may have been called roadies.

[58:05] I think it was called roadies. Anyway, they the next morning, it's game day. The ladies are hung

[58:10] over, but they've got to find a way to get those tickets. They split up to find a scalper. And we

[58:13] have the scene, the one scene I thought was funny where Rita Moreno is trying to haggle for tickets

[58:17] with a scalper. And she keeps saying final offer and then adding more money. She goes, what if I

[58:21] paid you one hundred dollars? He goes, no way. What? You won't take my one hundred and fifty

[58:24] dollars? No, I won't. OK, I won't go as high as two hundred to fifty. Like she just keeps getting

[58:28] high. It's like professional. Yeah, I think she's so funny in this. She's just so she's so subtle

[58:32] with it. So that so I guess Rita Moreno classy performer. I mean, don't take that EGOT away from

[58:39] her. Let her keep it. You know, thank God she earned it. She earned that EGOT. So Jane Fonda

[58:46] just took all the stakes out of this episode because I thought if we came down hard, we would

[58:50] have to take the EGOTs away. Yeah, no, no. I think I think let's let's let's leave it. I mean, we may

[58:56] still take away the other awards, but Rita Moreno gets to keep her. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what?

[59:00] Let's not erase the tape of her with animal on The Muppet Show. Let's let's let's leave that.

[59:04] Let's leave that. Thank God. Yeah. I didn't know that I had no idea that was on the table.

[59:08] And for a moment, I was terrified. And then you know, everything any of them has ever done is on

[59:12] the table. If we if we decide against this. Oh, my God. Or we'll we'll ever do. So there's a chance

[59:17] that when we go to see Fast 10, there will just be a hole where her character was. Yeah. Playing

[59:24] Dominic Toretto's mother. Yeah, exactly. And and it'll just disappear, much like the zoo that you

[59:29] bought in the forest and therefore doesn't exist. Yeah. If you don't look at it, it's not really

[59:34] there. Yeah. If it's in the forest, pasta in a forest in New Jersey, then that pasta doesn't

[59:39] exist anymore. Oh, no, it's growing into giant stalks of pasta rising from the forest.

[59:47] We never should have done this. So. So Jane Fonda, she goes to the sportscasters. This was

[59:50] when I finally realized that one of them was Rob Corgi, which I felt bad about. Again, someone I

[59:53] know personally. She asked for help and they revealed that Lily Tomlin didn't win the contest.

[59:58] The contest was won by.

[1:00:00] guys who are in a support group for men named Tom Brady who can never hope to live up to

[1:00:04] the name because it's owned by such a hallowed Olympian of a figure.

[1:00:08] And I was like, fuck you, movie.

[1:00:10] Like just shut up.

[1:00:11] Enough.

[1:00:12] It's like if you can, Tom Brady, I'm not a football fan, so whatever.

[1:00:14] But like you can love an athlete without presenting him and like they're not doing it, I feel

[1:00:19] like far enough for it to be a joke.

[1:00:21] But without presenting him as literally the greatest man who has ever lived and even to

[1:00:24] share a name with him is to live in eternally disappointing the universe and disappointed

[1:00:29] in yourself.

[1:00:30] Like if you've spoken to Boston area sports fans about their feelings toward Tom Brady,

[1:00:36] but this is not a movie that is for clearly I don't think they're making a movie just

[1:00:40] for Boston area sports fans like this is, but I'm saying that there was a billboard

[1:00:45] for it in my Los Angeles neighborhood, you know, but these characters are all Boston

[1:00:49] area sports fans.

[1:00:50] So to them, that would seem like an impossible to overcome obstacle.

[1:00:55] Then I want them to make it even clearer that I am not supposed to buy into the idea

[1:01:00] that if that Tom Brady is the name that's ultra humane.

[1:01:03] Yeah, I gotta say, this was one of my ideas.

[1:01:04] If they translate the Boston accents into Boston English.

[1:01:08] That evolution was a teleological process that ends in Tom Brady.

[1:01:12] And now that it's happened, the universe will disappear because it's last business has been

[1:01:16] taken care of.

[1:01:17] The high evolutionary, he throws himself off a tower because he can never achieve the peak

[1:01:22] of greatness that Tom Brady's.

[1:01:23] Yeah, yeah, he cries because there's no there's no empires left to conquer because Tom Brady

[1:01:27] has evolved.

[1:01:28] Yeah.

[1:01:29] Yeah, Dan.

[1:01:30] Oh, no.

[1:01:31] I'm sorry.

[1:01:32] You're gonna say something.

[1:01:33] Well, you know, it took so long.

[1:01:34] I agree just in the sense that like, this was a big problem.

[1:01:39] I had the the deification of Brady and the NFL like, look, it's a movie called 80 for

[1:01:44] Brady that was made with the cooperation of the NFL, of course, is gonna make this thing

[1:01:47] look good.

[1:01:48] It's gonna be a certain amount of celebration of Tom Brady in the NFL, but the degree to

[1:01:51] which this felt like a like, you know, a mild commercial for those things like just

[1:01:57] irritated me.

[1:01:58] And I'm sure that if I was a football fan, I would eat it up.

[1:02:03] But as a non fan, I'm like, I don't know how my brother felt about it.

[1:02:06] I don't think he's seen it.

[1:02:07] But I should get in touch with my brother, who is the one of the world's biggest football

[1:02:10] fans and see how he felt about this movie.

[1:02:11] I don't think he's particularly a Tom Brady fan, but I think I should ask him how he felt

[1:02:15] about the movie and whether he was like, yeah, I understand.

[1:02:18] Yeah, of course.

[1:02:19] Dan, I know that recently you watched fighting with my family, which is a similar sort of

[1:02:24] thing that's a celebrate based loosely on real events.

[1:02:27] And it's a celebration of the WWE.

[1:02:33] Would you say that it's a similar thing or I mean, I did think that one of my least favorite

[1:02:38] parts of fighting with my family was when The Rock showed up to like be like, hey, look,

[1:02:44] it's me, The Rock.

[1:02:45] I'm talking to you about wrestling.

[1:02:46] He sounds a lot like Stew Biscuit.

[1:02:47] Yeah.

[1:02:48] I'm going to run for president someday.

[1:02:49] It's The Rock.

[1:02:50] The world's most famous wrestler.

[1:02:51] How you doing?

[1:02:52] Gotta go.

[1:02:53] And all you all you wanted was to see Florence Pugh, Nick Frost and Lena Headey just hang

[1:03:01] out.

[1:03:02] Yeah, that was what I wanted.

[1:03:03] Yeah.

[1:03:04] Can I say that the weirdest thing about fighting with my family, I have to complain to you

[1:03:06] about it.

[1:03:07] But like the movie makes a point about like, OK, like the fights are fixed, but they're

[1:03:11] not fake.

[1:03:12] Meaning that like, yeah, they really get hurt.

[1:03:14] They really get hurt.

[1:03:15] The outcomes are fixed.

[1:03:16] Yeah.

[1:03:17] But the outcomes are fixed.

[1:03:18] And yet the movies and the movie's main theme throughout it has been like, oh, Florence Pugh's

[1:03:23] character has to find her voice.

[1:03:25] And yet the big climax of the movie isn't that she finally like really like finds her

[1:03:31] voice and character in a way that, you know, she doesn't make like a big speech where you're

[1:03:34] like, OK, like she's really trash talking like I like I see why she's going to be a

[1:03:39] great WWE like diva or whatever.

[1:03:43] She's not able to get the like audience on her side.

[1:03:45] Yeah.

[1:03:46] Like that stuff should be the triumph.

[1:03:47] Instead, they treat the fact that she wins the round, the match as a triumph.

[1:03:51] I'm like, but movie, you know that this is fixed.

[1:03:54] You said it like wise.

[1:03:55] Like, why is this rocky all of a sudden, even though Rocky didn't win?

[1:03:59] But he had a, you know, he did.

[1:04:01] Yeah.

[1:04:02] He wins in Rocky four, right?

[1:04:04] In Rocky two through infinity.

[1:04:05] Yeah.

[1:04:06] Yeah.

[1:04:07] He ran after the first one.

[1:04:08] He doesn't stop winning.

[1:04:09] Yeah.

[1:04:10] Anyway, that's a real side path.

[1:04:12] Infinity is the one where Rocky becomes one with all existence and punches the idea of

[1:04:17] nonexistence in the face.

[1:04:19] Yeah.

[1:04:20] I mean, it's so awesome.

[1:04:21] So anyway, they're running around looking for the tickets.

[1:04:24] Lily Tomlin is despairing until she hallucinates Tom Brady on a TV telling her not to give

[1:04:28] up.

[1:04:29] It's going to work out.

[1:04:30] And Sally Field runs up.

[1:04:31] She found Guy Fieri.

[1:04:32] We all know it's going to work out.

[1:04:35] It's going to be fine.

[1:04:36] Yeah.

[1:04:37] I apologize.

[1:04:38] I keep saying outhouse when I mean porta potty.

[1:04:39] They're not.

[1:04:40] They're not.

[1:04:41] Yeah.

[1:04:42] She finds Guy Fieri in a in a in a in a porta potty.

[1:04:46] This is when if Guy Fieri look if Guy Fieri really had comic guts, he she would have said

[1:04:51] I left my strap on here and he would have said anyone gone.

[1:04:53] Oh, yeah.

[1:04:54] I found it in the in the porta potty and then handed it on.

[1:05:00] But again, the movie is not going to go that far.

[1:05:02] So he goes, oh, yeah, let's I found your fanny pack.

[1:05:04] Here it is.

[1:05:05] The tickets are here.

[1:05:06] But what?

[1:05:07] Oh, another obstacle.

[1:05:08] He's wearing in the office because they because they give the tickets to the to the ticket

[1:05:15] taker punches.

[1:05:16] Is it Ron Funches?

[1:05:18] And he goes, these are counterfeit tickets.

[1:05:20] These are not real tickets.

[1:05:21] You got scammed.

[1:05:22] And they're like, but we won the contest.

[1:05:24] And Jane Fonda's like, no, we didn't.

[1:05:26] And Tomlin admits she sold her car and cashed out, I think, her savings so that she could

[1:05:31] pay for this trip because it's the last her last chance to reveals.

[1:05:34] I got test results from the hospital, but I've been too scared to look at them.

[1:05:38] And her friends say, hey, whatever happens, we're your friends.

[1:05:41] We're going to be with you.

[1:05:42] And so it has taken this whole experience to show Dilley Tomlin that the women who act

[1:05:46] out the same bullshit stuff every time they watch a football game to appease her superstitions

[1:05:51] are her friends and will do things for her.

[1:05:53] Yeah.

[1:05:54] Yeah.

[1:05:55] And so I mean, sometimes you get lost in the weeds, you know, that's how how friendship

[1:05:58] or lost in the weed.

[1:05:59] If you accidentally take a gummy and you end up buying a zoo, all these birds to take care

[1:06:06] of.

[1:06:07] Listen.

[1:06:08] If you go out there, if you want to buy a zoo for me, please take this zoo off my hands

[1:06:11] because I am up to my ears in elephant feeding bills.

[1:06:17] Yeah.

[1:06:18] And if you think Dan knows how to how to keep a penguin alive, you are mistaken.

[1:06:22] So please take this zoo away from him.

[1:06:26] That's what that's what that's in the we bought a zoo Bible.

[1:06:29] That's what we bought as you Christ said, please, Lord, take this zoo away from me.

[1:06:33] Yeah.

[1:06:34] But then I will.

[1:06:35] But you will.

[1:06:36] Yeah.

[1:06:38] And when he and he and he as he was on the cross, the hyenas started laughing and he

[1:06:41] said, Lord, they know not what they do because they're animals.

[1:06:44] They're not even really laughing.

[1:06:45] It's just a sound they make that sounds kind of like a laugh, not even that much like one.

[1:06:49] So Rita Moreno, she sees Billy Porter walking in, a.k.a.

[1:06:53] Gugu.

[1:06:54] He reveals his Lady Gaga's choreographer.

[1:06:56] That's how he's named Gugu.

[1:06:57] And he helps them get into the game by proving to the to Ron Funches that they are his dancers

[1:07:02] by putting them through a very minimal dance.

[1:07:04] Because Ron Funches went to the same school, it's a different security guard.

[1:07:08] It's not Ron Funches.

[1:07:09] Sorry, it's a different security guard.

[1:07:10] But like that security guard and later on, Ron Funches all seem to have gone to the same

[1:07:15] training school as Jimmy O. Yang because they all take their jobs very seriously.

[1:07:19] I feel like they're all on the same like Reddit message board, like complaining about people

[1:07:23] who like don't break the rules and shit.

[1:07:25] Well, except for this.

[1:07:26] I mean, this guy doesn't take it seriously because he's like he says you're very clearly

[1:07:30] not dancers.

[1:07:31] He takes it incredibly seriously because he let's them in because they're such good, clearly

[1:07:35] professional dancers.

[1:07:36] Here's the thing.

[1:07:37] There's two there's and former Secretary of State William Seward, when he was running

[1:07:41] for president in the in 1860, he made it clear there are two laws.

[1:07:45] There's written law.

[1:07:46] There's a higher moral law.

[1:07:47] The written law says you can't get in without a ticket or if you're a real backup dancer.

[1:07:50] The higher moral law says, Sally Field, you are adorable when you dance.

[1:07:54] I'm going to let you in to see the show.

[1:07:56] Yeah.

[1:07:57] Yeah.

[1:07:58] And so they get in.

[1:07:59] They did it.

[1:08:00] They watch the game.

[1:08:01] And Jane Fonda is refusing to return Harry Hamlin's texts.

[1:08:05] She wishes she had a husband like Sally Fields.

[1:08:07] And the girls appear on the Jumbotron.

[1:08:10] And that's when Ron Funches sees them.

[1:08:12] And he goes, wait a minute.

[1:08:13] How'd they get in and kicks them out.

[1:08:14] But as he's kicking them out, who shows up, he gets it.

[1:08:17] He gets a shotgun and he shaves it down to a shotgun on my watch.

[1:08:22] Just bloody puts together a quad shotgun like in Phantasm and just to take them all out

[1:08:27] at once.

[1:08:28] If there was like a little like arming up sequence, I would have liked it.

[1:08:31] Like where he puts his walkie talkie in and stuff like that.

[1:08:35] He's showing them out when who shows up to save them like a Greek hero of old.

[1:08:38] But Perseus himself, Harry Hamlin, and does not have to chop off Ron Funches head as if

[1:08:44] Ron Funches was Medusa, but instead just his mere presence.

[1:08:47] Ron Funches is like, you're a huge you're an amazing star player.

[1:08:50] Oh, my God.

[1:08:51] That was amazing what you did.

[1:08:52] And he goes there with me.

[1:08:53] These ladies.

[1:08:54] I'm in the luxury box.

[1:08:55] They go to the Skybox, which I have to admit, I was a little disappointed by.

[1:08:59] It just looks like a sports bar overhanging over a game, you know, I mean, I guess it's

[1:09:02] impressive.

[1:09:03] What do you think it was going to look like?

[1:09:04] I think they're going to have like a hot tub and like, you know, like, like fancy stuff.

[1:09:09] Maybe like a Dance Revolution game.

[1:09:11] Yeah, like the Maldives or something.

[1:09:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:09:14] You can look at the floor is clear and you can see the ocean underneath.

[1:09:18] Everything's pearls.

[1:09:19] Yeah, exactly.

[1:09:20] There's an infinity pool.

[1:09:21] There's living statues that are there all day, you know.

[1:09:24] Living statues.

[1:09:25] Oh, man.

[1:09:26] Turned to stone by a Gorgon, no less.

[1:09:30] Exactly.

[1:09:31] Yeah.

[1:09:32] Like, like Perseus himself knows.

[1:09:33] And that, yeah, there's it's just like something that Borgia's with.

[1:09:36] Yeah.

[1:09:37] Yeah.

[1:09:38] Yeah.

[1:09:39] You're like, you expect there to be a giant coin, a giant, like a two-faced dinosaur robot.

[1:09:43] Yeah.

[1:09:44] A big joker card.

[1:09:45] That's a luxury box.

[1:09:46] Do you think that Alfred's ever like, sir, can we get rid of the giant coin?

[1:09:50] Because I have to polish that thing.

[1:09:51] It's not like we can get, you know, a task rabbit in here to do this.

[1:09:55] This is a secret lair.

[1:09:56] Yeah.

[1:09:57] Instead of developing technology to monitor.

[1:10:00] Everybody's like cell phones and shit. Can you like teach the bats to clean stuff?

[1:10:05] That man's like sure Alfred, I'll just get rid of all of my memories while I'm at it. Sure. Oh, yeah

[1:10:10] Yeah, let me just think back. Do I have living parents?

[1:10:16] You're right, you're right I will get rid of the penny. Oh, no, hold on who pays whose salary here you pay Batman salary

[1:10:23] No, Alfred Batman pays your salary do what you're told because you know what? I don't care Batman look Batman

[1:10:28] He's still a rich guy. He's still one of the part of the 1% he's terrible. Do you think yeah?

[1:10:33] Well, but he's a violent a violent solution to a mental illness problem. And that's and that's

[1:10:39] Do you think he's gonna be that Cavalier with a mistreating our Alfred when Alfred could go out there and write a tell-all like that

[1:10:46] Like I signed an NDA Dan because Batman goes go ahead Alfred write your book behind the cowl

[1:10:52] I will sue the shit out of you old man

[1:10:54] Sue you so hard. You'll wish you died in World War two when you were a spy or whatever you did

[1:10:59] I don't I didn't watch that show says Batman and Alfred goes you didn't watch Pennyworth

[1:11:06] It's about to be the season finale of Pennyworth or series finale, sorry anyway

[1:11:13] Wait series finale. I had hope for a moment that we'd come back

[1:11:17] Yeah, Alfred's like shopping his resume around trying to get a new gig and they're like well

[1:11:21] There's a pretty big hole in your resume. Why can't you talk about that? No, it says you were a spy until

[1:11:27] 1946 and then there's nothing until just now

[1:11:30] Well, I worked for a prominent family, but I signed an NDA. Can you well, can we call them for a reference?

[1:11:35] No, I'm not allowed to say which one they are or what vigilante their son grew up to become or what sort of flying?

[1:11:42] Mammal, they the son themed his career on. Oh, yeah. Yes squirrel man. Yeah, of course, of course now for it's like no

[1:11:49] They don't truly fly. They merely glide. There's only one kind of flying mammal. You mean humans because we have airplanes

[1:11:57] Technically, I guess he's also a human. I mean, he shouldn't be arguing with his potential employer

[1:12:07] Yeah, he just wants the minor victory

[1:12:10] so

[1:12:11] So Glen turn so Jane Fondo apologizes to Perseus

[1:12:14] Glen Turman calls arena Moreno and it's like hey the people here think that you've been kidnapped is everything

[1:12:19] Okay, and she goes, you know what?

[1:12:21] I'm gonna move back into my own house because there's no reason for me to live in an old folks home and you can come

[1:12:25] Visit me whenever you want and I think it's supposed to sound flirty, but it doesn't and Glen Turman takes it

[1:12:30] Not in a flirty way. He's like, oh, okay like he takes

[1:12:34] So then she runs into Andy Richter who is a huge Falcons fan who has paid for this skybox and from this point on

[1:12:42] For a long time. It's just them watching the actual game footage of the game

[1:12:45] Yeah, like the end of the fighter when you're just watching a boxing match on TV and it's like, oh, okay

[1:12:51] I thought this was a movie I'm watching but I guess it's an NFL Films movie where I'm just watching game highlights

[1:12:56] How did you guys feel about this section? I know you're big leatherheads. So, uh-huh. Yeah

[1:13:01] I don't mean the Ninja Turtles gator bad guy leatherhead. I mean, you know football fans

[1:13:05] Yeah, this is a time

[1:13:06] This is a time that I allowed myself to take a little more leeway with the amount of attention

[1:13:10] I was paying to the screen when it was just game footage now. Andy Richter is not playing

[1:13:16] Andy Rick know

[1:13:18] Yeah, maybe he wears glasses

[1:13:20] Maybe he's Clark Kent and he just had to get he didn't invite Batman to this

[1:13:25] Nothing on the screen would say otherwise

[1:13:28] That fights the idea that he's Clark Kent playing Clark Gregg. Actually. Oh, well, that's good

[1:13:33] I'm glad Clark Gregg's and more stuff, you know, yeah. Yeah. So well piece someone playing him at least

[1:13:38] So the so the Falcons are winning the ladies are just upset but they realize across the stadium

[1:13:44] I think is the coordination booth where they call the plays they race over there and

[1:13:48] Sally Field they break in Sally Fields gets on the mic and starts calling winning plays using her math abilities

[1:13:55] I love it and Lily Tomlin uses the headset mic. That is a direct

[1:13:59] Batman to Commissioner Gordon call line to Tom Brady to talk directly to Tom about how his playing inspired her to get through chemo

[1:14:06] He turns around and looks up at her. She must be

[1:14:10] Several hundred feet up in the air, but he shot a face-to-face. He has eyeballs like a hawk Elliot

[1:14:16] Yeah, I guess it's like quarterback guys. He's like mechanic. He can just see huge distances, you know

[1:14:22] But it's again and I should again like Baron Munchausen should scoop this dude up

[1:14:31] He is more than human he is the greatest of all of us

[1:14:33] So yeah, and he is so inspired by his speech that he's not gonna give up

[1:14:38] She says if you don't give up I won't give up either and he goes if you she goes if you fight

[1:14:41] I'll fight and Tom nods and understand the in shouts

[1:14:43] Let's fucking go to his teammates and to be honest

[1:14:46] I was kind of surprised to see a major athlete in a movie using a swear word when he's talking to his teammates

[1:14:52] That's the kind of thing that like I feel like in the old days

[1:14:55] The NFL would be like the at the Major League Baseball certainly would not have allowed that kind of thing in the past

[1:14:59] But that NFL would be like we're good. We're good clean people. We don't swear

[1:15:03] We're boy Scouts, but he but he just says it just lets that f-bomb fall, you know

[1:15:07] Well, also this movie that is clearly geared towards families for that matter that there's just like, okay, you've got one

[1:15:14] Use of the word fuck and you're gonna use it here. I guess for I guess

[1:15:22] When Jane Fonda was reading her Gronk erotica

[1:15:24] It should have been her Gronk erotica is so when we yeah, that's when Gronk fucked me

[1:15:43] Tom Brady goes off and newly emboldened leaves the Patriots to the comeback victory. That is part of the historical record

[1:15:50] As we watch more real NFL footage and at this point we're just

[1:15:55] I remember watching this game this Super Bowl match at at the bar and being like, yeah, the Patriots are losing

[1:16:02] I can't wait to see that happen. And then it turned around and I'm like fucking Lily Tom

[1:16:09] That's the other thing is that this movie takes it for granted that we understand also Tom Brady is amazing

[1:16:14] that's why he can say fuck because his tongue is the

[1:16:16] Philosopher's Stone that transmutes the base metal of a swear word into the gold of beauty

[1:16:22] Poetics and but they take it for granted when for much of the country they hate the Patriots

[1:16:27] They don't like Tom Brady and the owner of the Patriots is generally accepted to be a bad dude, right?

[1:16:31] Like not a good person

[1:16:32] so the idea that like

[1:16:34] Anyway, that just the it's just the base assumption of the movie that we're all on team Brady and T Patriots

[1:16:38] Anyway, so everyone celebrates, of course, Lily Tomlin is now bankrupt

[1:16:44] But Rita Moreno reveals she made a bet with Andy Richter on who's gonna win the game and she has won enough to pay Lily

[1:16:49] Tomlin back for the whole trip

[1:16:52] For potential cancer treatment. Yeah

[1:16:57] She hasn't found out the results yet, so we don't and we'll never find out the result

[1:17:00] She did just get the one watch from that guy

[1:17:04] I mean, I know that they're very expensive, but it seems like yeah

[1:17:08] Yeah, anyway, so and Ron Funches comes over to them and says and you can't think about watches

[1:17:13] It's like you can either get like a hundred dollar watch or like ten thousand dollar watch. There's no like in-between

[1:17:20] I guess it won't really cover

[1:17:22] Cancer treatment, right? No, like I mean, I don't know what her insurance is like

[1:17:27] Yeah, but I mean also she has to pay back for the tickets and she has to get a new car

[1:17:31] She sold her car. Yeah, that's a big part of it

[1:17:34] So we better hope that this is not like she's not like I won his watch and she takes it to the jeweler and he's

[1:17:38] Like well, this is a Casio calculator

[1:17:41] Yeah, here's your problem

[1:17:44] Now have you ever heard of a thing called a swatch?

[1:17:47] Is this worth anything? No, but you can write boobs with it. I want to introduce you to a to someone in Fido Dido

[1:17:53] I think this may explain some of the situation

[1:17:56] so anyway

[1:17:57] They think they're in trouble, but they're taken to the locker room where thankfully all the players are still sitting around in their clothes

[1:18:03] They are not in various states of undress as they normally would be in a locker room. They meet the players

[1:18:08] It turns out granted based on the short pornographic films that Elliot watches

[1:18:13] Yeah, anyway, that's I mean when why wouldn't I why couldn't I watch a short pornographic film of that nature, you know?

[1:18:19] Yeah, I mean if Tom Brady's gonna be in yeah, this is America. Yeah, I'm curious about it

[1:18:24] Look, did I was I did I want to see that nude photo of Harpo that recently went up for auction for sexual reasons?

[1:18:31] No, but I wanted to see it. Yeah, sure. Yeah did probably most of your close friends

[1:18:36] text it

[1:18:37] texted to me and also the link was tweeted to me by a number of people because they understood if there is any person's penis

[1:18:42] That I want to see it's Harpo marks for sure

[1:18:44] And also like I've read so many stories about him taking off his clothes as a joke

[1:18:49] It was like that's great

[1:18:51] Like as a goose as a goof that he would show up naked at things and things like that. He was very

[1:18:56] That's a pretty good goof. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah

[1:18:59] I mean, there's a harassment angle that I want to learn a little bit more about this. Yeah, I want to tamp

[1:19:04] Yeah, no a great someone someone I forgot who was said that when you're famous you get to do that kind of thing and if

[1:19:09] people

[1:19:11] Anyway, the evilest man in the world said that so I think it's he certainly wouldn't be found guilty of a sex crime

[1:19:18] thus making my nickname for

[1:19:22] Found legally liable in a civil case

[1:19:25] We are in we are in flop court. Otherwise, I would hate to

[1:19:29] That way anyway, I am I'm winning this one. I think

[1:19:33] So Gronkowski has a copy of Jane Fonda's book. They meet each other. It is implied that they are going to bang

[1:19:38] And I'm Tomlin Gronk only has like a word to say basically, but I found him

[1:19:45] Funny and charming in a way that then like Tom Brady has a long monologue that he's not up

[1:19:50] Rob Gronkowski is I've seen him in other things and he said he is a genuinely charismatic and like funny like performer

[1:19:57] He's someone who if this was

[1:20:00] If this was called 80 for Gronk, I think it would have been a better movie in a lot of ways.

[1:20:04] It would have been a sillier movie.

[1:20:06] But anyway, Lily Tomlin finally meets Tom Brady, and he tells her that she inspires him with her courage in facing cancer.

[1:20:13] This is the long speech that he gets that he does okay with.

[1:20:16] It's not great.

[1:20:18] He wants to swap jerseys with her, but his is missing.

[1:20:22] And this is not a plot point, and I don't understand why it happens.

[1:20:26] I don't know why they couldn't have just had them swap jerseys.

[1:20:28] But instead he looks in his locker and he's like, oh, my jersey's not here.

[1:20:31] It doesn't pay off in any way.

[1:20:33] I feel like there must have been a scene where one of them already had stolen the jersey.

[1:20:37] That then this was orphaned from that maybe.

[1:20:40] It really feels like a weird moment.

[1:20:42] Cut to, it's 2020.

[1:20:44] Tom Brady is back.

[1:20:45] He has retired and returned.

[1:20:47] Everyone's at Lily's house.

[1:20:48] They're all wearing jerseys, I think, for Tom Brady's current team.

[1:20:51] Is that Tampa Bay, Tampa?

[1:20:54] The Tampa Bay Tampons.

[1:20:56] I don't know what the team is.

[1:20:58] But anyway, they reenact the superstitious game ritual credits.

[1:21:02] And then we get a little bit of a – we see that it's based on a true story.

[1:21:06] And then we get a little pre-credits scene where the ladies are hanging out on the beach in Florida with Tom Brady.

[1:21:13] And he's like, you know, I don't know why you would retire.

[1:21:17] And they all laugh and laugh.

[1:21:18] They're all buddies now.

[1:21:20] And I assume they all get a night with Brady and they live out their fantasies off camera.

[1:21:25] That sounds great.

[1:21:26] And that is 84 Brady.

[1:21:29] Were there goofs, guys?

[1:21:31] I did not see any goofs, no.

[1:21:33] Was there a scene where the characters are dancing over music over the credits?

[1:21:38] Well, we already saw that in the movie.

[1:21:40] Oh, yeah, I guess.

[1:21:41] But they didn't just loop that footage.

[1:21:43] Okay, that's fine.

[1:21:45] I don't think that hurts my case.

[1:21:47] I think it's fine.

[1:21:48] I think it's fine.

[1:21:49] I would have had so much more respect for the movie if they had looped that footage over the hamster dance for the entirety of the credits.

[1:21:54] Which, by the way, is just a sped up version of Roger Miller's music from the Robin Hood movie.

[1:22:02] Yeah, yeah.

[1:22:03] That is off-reference here.

[1:22:05] Anyway, so I have a cat on my lap.

[1:22:08] The sexiest movie of all time.

[1:22:10] Robin Hood.

[1:22:11] Sure, yeah.

[1:22:12] Robin Hood with Russell Crowe, yeah.

[1:22:13] So let's move on to Final Judgments.

[1:22:16] Whether this is a good, bad movie, a bad, bad movie, a movie we kind of like.

[1:22:21] Stuart, why don't you go first for once?

[1:22:24] Here's your closing argument.

[1:22:25] Yeah, here's my closing argument.

[1:22:27] You know what, guys?

[1:22:28] Let's go last.

[1:22:29] I watched this a second time, and again, because I watched this previously, and I didn't hate it.

[1:22:37] Didn't hate this movie.

[1:22:39] Part of it, I mean—

[1:22:40] Didn't hate it.

[1:22:41] Rave, Stuart Wellington of the Vlogmas.

[1:22:43] I mean, I'll say that, like, it's hard.

[1:22:47] Even with the material they're working with, I can't help but enjoy watching these four women do stuff.

[1:22:53] Like, they're such fun performers, and just having an excuse to watch them be even a little bit silly is great.

[1:23:02] So do I like the NFL and or the Patriots or Tom Brady or anything?

[1:23:07] No, of course not.

[1:23:08] I don't give a shit about that.

[1:23:10] But I think this movie is fine.

[1:23:12] It's absolutely fine.

[1:23:13] I kind of like it.

[1:23:16] I didn't know that absolutely fine and whether we hate it or not.

[1:23:19] What's the—

[1:23:20] We're the only choices?

[1:23:21] Yeah, I mean, like, certainly I did not find this as unwatchable as many of the movies we end up proving me wrong by watching for the Flophouse.

[1:23:32] But, yeah, I didn't—the mitigating fact of having these women as the leads only went so far for me.

[1:23:43] If anything, it probably made me more angry that they had so little to work with.

[1:23:48] I don't want to give this film credit for having good actors and then giving them nothing to do.

[1:23:56] Stunt casting?

[1:23:57] I wouldn't call it stunt casting.

[1:24:00] It's just good casting.

[1:24:01] But it's like—yeah, I don't know.

[1:24:03] This movie was a whole lot of nothing.

[1:24:05] Like they didn't even do the basic minimum of making this type of movie, which would be to have sort of a plot that had some sort of connective tissue between the individual scenes rather than just a series of stuff.

[1:24:22] The major conflict of the movie would essentially be solved by visiting Lost and Found.

[1:24:27] And that movie builds up hospital test results that we never actually find out.

[1:24:33] Like it just never—we don't even get closure on it.

[1:24:35] I don't know.

[1:24:36] They imply there's a chance.

[1:24:38] There's a moment in the flash forward when they're all setting up to watch the game, and they imply that there's a chance Lou could be dead.

[1:24:46] But then she comes out of the kitchen.

[1:24:48] That's true.

[1:24:49] They do have a brief moment where she is not there.

[1:24:53] So you think maybe she's dead, but she's still there.

[1:24:55] And even that—the movie just doesn't have the courage to make more of that moment.

[1:25:00] Like it doesn't—they don't do much with it.

[1:25:02] But it's a—I agree with Dan.

[1:25:04] It's a real nothing of a movie.

[1:25:05] I would call this a bad, bad movie with the caveat that I like a lot of the people in the cast, and I'm glad they got paid for doing something.

[1:25:13] But it does feel like a huge waste of potential talent and potential laughs, potential drama.

[1:25:21] It's just a—it's a real—it is a movie that feels—it's like this is the kind of movie I expect to see after The Writer's Strike where they had to put it in production.

[1:25:30] They didn't have a finished script.

[1:25:31] They're working off of an outline.

[1:25:33] They've got to ad-lib it on the fly.

[1:25:35] Like that's what it feels like, but—

[1:25:37] So wait.

[1:25:38] Are you telling me that the—with The Writer's Strike, I could get more movies like this?

[1:25:43] Oh, boy.

[1:25:44] Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[1:25:45] No, you turned it against us.

[1:25:46] Oh, wow.

[1:25:47] Let me get my drool bucket.

[1:25:48] I mean I will also add a caveat, which is like—

[1:25:51] It's a caveat, yeah.

[1:25:52] Obviously to some degree this is true of every movie, but like—

[1:25:57] But it's not real.

[1:25:58] This movie is not for everybody.

[1:26:02] Like and I could see a different audience, one that is less snobby about comedy or story structure and just wants to see like their old friends together and likes football.

[1:26:15] If you think that you're into this type of movie—

[1:26:18] I don't think those—I'm willing to bet that those are not the listeners to this podcast.

[1:26:22] Sure.

[1:26:23] I think this movie fails I think on the would my mom like this level.

[1:26:26] There's a bunch of movies we've seen where my mom would have liked them, and I think this would have even failed to have enough to keep her attention.

[1:26:34] Yeah.

[1:26:35] But you're right, Dan.

[1:26:36] I'm sure there are people who are like I want to see these stars.

[1:26:38] I like Tom Brady.

[1:26:41] Finally they're all together, and it's everything I've always dreamed of, and now it's my favorite movie of all time.

[1:26:46] Yeah.

[1:26:47] Okay.

[1:26:48] Well, you know, as we said, God will render his judgment.

[1:26:52] I assume upon—

[1:26:54] I haven't been struck down with lightning yet.

[1:26:56] —the day of reckoning.

[1:26:58] Unfortunately it's not going to happen until the day of judgment when the dead rise again and the souls are weighed and 80 for Brady is finally given its just decision.

[1:27:06] Yeah, whether it's sent to heaven or hell.

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[1:31:01] Any more business before we move on, fellas? Let's move on. Well, let's move on then

[1:31:08] to letters from listeners. Listeners like you who have written letters to us. This one is...

[1:31:15] Like me. Yeah. This one's from...

[1:31:18] Listeners like you writing letters to podcasters like us. Listeners like you

[1:31:22] writing letters to podcasters like Stu. Listeners like you writing letters to you. Don't write

[1:31:28] letters to you because you're already you. Write letters to us and specifically to Stu.

[1:31:34] Stu gets lonely. He doesn't get enough letters. I see the way that he runs to the mailbox each day.

[1:31:43] He opens it up and to his dismay, there's no letters in there.

[1:31:49] Even though he has great hair. Thank you.

[1:31:52] Stu needs letters, so send him some letters. Send him some letters today.

[1:31:57] Something to read. Wow. It's been a while since we had one of those. Okay.

[1:32:01] Dan gets too many letters. He doesn't want any more of those letters.

[1:32:06] Well, that's not true. He can't even shove the door shut on the mailbox.

[1:32:10] He has to put some locks on his mailbox. Because the mailbox won't stay shut.

[1:32:16] Too many letters. Paul McCartney songs that has a bunch of different...

[1:32:18] Too many letters. Okay. Well, this is from...

[1:32:24] Elliot is happy with the amount of mail that he gets. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He doesn't get too many

[1:32:31] letters. He doesn't get too few. He likes the letters he gets from you. And he'd like you to

[1:32:37] maintain the current frequency of letters that you send to him. Dan, where'd you go? That was

[1:32:44] my letters suite. Dan needs to plug his laptop in so that we can... Oh, no. He needs to plug his phone

[1:32:51] in because all the stuff he's downloading is fucking up his phone battery. All right. I guess

[1:32:56] there's time for more songs then. We heard some stories about letters. I'm breathing.

[1:33:02] We heard some stories about the better ways that we could write to Stu and the

[1:33:07] ways that we could write less to Dan and write just the same amount to me.

[1:33:15] People like to get letters, but not too many or too few. Because in this life, we've only got

[1:33:22] a certain amount of time for letters. Brought to you by Cheddar. I'm reading the... Cheddar,

[1:33:28] the most popular cheese there is. Is that true? I think so. I'm reading letters off of my phone,

[1:33:36] and my phone was very close to dying. And I thought that if the song went on any longer,

[1:33:42] I wouldn't have any more juice. So I had to go. Anyway. Hey, Americans, we got to buy Dan a

[1:33:49] printer because he's reading the letters off his phone, and that phone is running low on energy.

[1:33:55] If he could print out those letters, he'd have paper copies for his archives. And when he dies

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[1:34:16] the most popular cheese in the world. Anyway, this letter is from Olivia, last name with...

[1:34:24] Coleman? Olivia Haviland. Hi, guys. You know what? I'm just going to say, I would be excited

[1:34:30] by either of those Olivias writing us. I know, right? Olivia the pig from the kid's book of the

[1:34:34] same name, not as exciting to me. It's still exciting. Yeah. Pretty exciting. Hi, guys. I'm

[1:34:39] doing my yearly Flophouse re-listen. Don't worry. I don't start all the way back, and I skipped some

[1:34:43] guest episodes, movie minutes. And it got me thinking. Thank you. I was worried. It got me

[1:34:48] thinking. What movies have each of you seen the most times? Has Stewart really watched Castle

[1:34:54] Freak, Head of the Family, The Invisible Maniac, and The Granny as many times as he's recommended

[1:34:58] them? I feel like The Granny is an outlier on that list. It's harder to find. Does Dan still

[1:35:03] come back to his used-to-be-frequently-referenced CD shelf to watch The Monster Squad? Does Elliot

[1:35:08] have dishwashing favorites? Thanks for all the hours of listening. Olivia, last name withheld.

[1:35:14] What movie have you seen in the theater the most? In the theater? Oh, in the theater the most?

[1:35:21] I know this isn't directly the question. My answer is 100% Fellowship of the Ring. I think

[1:35:26] I've seen it like nine times in the theater. So I am not one to go and re-watch new release movies

[1:35:35] in the theater. Not even like Mad Max Fury Road or something? No, I only saw that the one time.

[1:35:42] You've seen it since then, though, right? No, I saw it twice in the theater. I did go and re-watch

[1:35:46] that one. I think I saw that twice within a 12-hour period. But it tends to be more like okay,

[1:35:53] over the course of several years, if there's something that's like a repertory thing.

[1:35:57] I mean, I've probably seen Stop Making Sense three or four times in the theater. Yeah, I just got

[1:36:02] tickets to a repertory screening of Re-Animator. Never seen the theater, can't wait. In the theater,

[1:36:08] never seen the theater, can't wait. In the theater, I've probably seen 2001 A Space Odyssey

[1:36:14] the most times, but also maybe The Taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3. It's possible. If you're talking

[1:36:21] movies overall seen in any medium, I feel like I used to re-watch movies a lot. Now I feel like

[1:36:27] I never have the chance to because there's so many movies I want to see. So I guess I re-watch

[1:36:31] them when I watch them with my kids. But probably either one of these four is the one I've seen the

[1:36:36] most overall. Star Wars, the first one, A Night at the Opera, The Taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3, We're

[1:36:43] Singing in the Rain. One of those is the movie I've seen the most and I'm not sure which it is.

[1:36:46] I've seen those, I don't know how many times, many, many times. I had some VHS tapes that I

[1:36:54] had dubbed off of TV that I watched over and over again and it's quite possible. Late at night when

[1:37:01] no one else was around? Yeah, those are the movies I'm talking about. But it's quite possible

[1:37:07] that it's one of these three. Aliens, Heathers, and kind of an outlier, Army of Darkness. Almost

[1:37:18] a plural. I like that the first two were plurals. Any chance any of those were taped off of TV so

[1:37:24] you had the commercials in there? I think it would have been taped off HBO because I really

[1:37:29] tried to avoid taping stuff with commercials. I didn't like it. But nowadays you're like,

[1:37:33] I wish I saw those commercials. No, I know. Now that I'm old, I want to see those commercials

[1:37:38] again. If I saw those goddamn commercials with the fucking McNuggets doing the Skip to Maloo

[1:37:44] McNugget, it would just make me so happy right now. Sweet memories. Guys, I thought of two other

[1:37:48] movies I should have put on my list that I can't believe I forgot about. Gremlins and Gremlins 2?

[1:37:52] Well, I'm combining those. Gremlins, Gremlins 2, I'm combining. But that and The Wizard of Oz,

[1:37:57] which I can't believe. That might be the movie I've seen more than any other. It's probably The

[1:38:00] Wizard of Oz. But Gremlins was one when I was a kid I watched over and over and over again.

[1:38:04] So it's one of those. I've certainly seen It's a Wonderful Life a lot too because I used to

[1:38:10] just, you know, whenever I would run across it during the Christmas season, I would watch it

[1:38:15] because I really love that movie. See, I'm deliberately not counting a Christmas story

[1:38:19] because those times when TNT would run it for 24 hours straight. I don't celebrate Christmas. I'm

[1:38:24] not doing anything that day. So me and my brother would watch it a couple times. But I feel like

[1:38:27] that's pumping the numbers. Yeah, that's messing with it. I've definitely watched Ricky O's story

[1:38:32] of Ricky a lot because I'll find people who haven't seen it and I'll be like, I guess we're

[1:38:36] going to watch this together. Be prepared for this journey. Let's move on to the next one.

[1:38:44] It's from Zach Lasting Withheld and it's kind of, let's call this an epilogue to last week's

[1:38:52] Behind the Scenes Mini because it's a behind the scenes question.

[1:38:56] And it's one that I think we have a higher level of production than we usually do. I like that

[1:39:01] production planning. This is a question that we have answered on the air before, but you know

[1:39:06] what? We do pick up listeners all the years who don't remember every little bit of lore.

[1:39:11] So it's good to remember every little bit of lore. We tell them every little thing we say on here.

[1:39:18] I was wondering. Every little thing we say on the podcast that you take in through your ear.

[1:39:25] I mean, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta give it to them. Yeah, I guess I do have to give it to

[1:39:31] them. And what I'm giving him this lawsuit from the police. Oh, hey, Cam. Oh, so they're nowhere

[1:39:38] when, when they're needed, but they'll sue me over their songs, huh? Guys, I think you both

[1:39:43] are showing a lack of understanding. So the police are either, they won't protect people,

[1:39:47] but they'll hassle protesters and they'll sue me. Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm getting

[1:39:53] questions from Audrey about dinner. No, please. Talk about on air. Well, I mean, I'm, I'm

[1:40:00] Saying that so you guys can vamp a little while I do it.

[1:40:02] Is that the question now that we're going to answer is the dinner?

[1:40:04] So what is Dan going to eat for dinner tonight?

[1:40:06] What does my tummy feel like putting in her?

[1:40:09] Are you still on your are you still on your like low FODMAP diet?

[1:40:12] I well, I am.

[1:40:14] I have started to add a few things back in.

[1:40:17] Oh, cool.

[1:40:18] I'm sure you'll all be glad to learn that

[1:40:21] onions and garlic aren't the problem.

[1:40:23] Yeah, that would be horrible.

[1:40:25] A lot of trouble.

[1:40:26] Those are wonderful.

[1:40:27] Corn syrup that I could would be good in general, but it's not good for you.

[1:40:32] So it's hard to avoid if we live in a world

[1:40:35] where onions and garlic were in everything except for corn syrup.

[1:40:37] What a heaven that would be.

[1:40:38] Yeah.

[1:40:39] And, you know, soy sauce.

[1:40:41] We eat a lot of soy sauce.

[1:40:44] So those are back.

[1:40:45] Those are back.

[1:40:46] Those are back in, baby.

[1:40:47] If you listeners or, you know, if you want to track it on the big board.

[1:40:51] Yeah. Yeah.

[1:40:52] Fill those in on your on your bingo cards.

[1:40:55] Dan's current diet bingo cards don't

[1:40:58] cause me to have violent bowel movements and just.

[1:41:03] Yeah, we can just normal bowel, normal style ones.

[1:41:06] Dan, you shouldn't be eating.

[1:41:07] You shouldn't be eating guns and swords.

[1:41:09] That's, I think, part of the problem.

[1:41:10] Mm hmm.

[1:41:12] But I needed more iron.

[1:41:14] Elliott does a flip take out of my shoes.

[1:41:20] OK, well, and we done it, people.

[1:41:22] We have our bazooka Joe for the week.

[1:41:23] That was a hard one.

[1:41:24] All right. Come back on Monday with three ideas each.

[1:41:27] We cannot have another week like this. Three ideas each.

[1:41:32] We have put off answering this question for a long time.

[1:41:35] Anyway, it goes like this.

[1:41:36] I was wondering about the theme song.

[1:41:38] I've never heard you or the other flop floppers talk about it.

[1:41:41] It's great. What's its story? Who made it?

[1:41:43] What kind of direction did you give the musician who created the created it?

[1:41:47] Zach, last name withheld.

[1:41:50] It has been mentioned before, but as stated,

[1:41:53] probably a long time ago, it is done by Keith Bergan,

[1:41:57] a guy that I knew through Brock, I think, recommended him.

[1:42:02] So so my friend, my former writing partner and sketch

[1:42:05] partner and one of my close friends, Brock Mahan, he is one of his close friends

[1:42:10] from childhood, I believe, is a man named Keith Bergan,

[1:42:13] who now works mainly in kind of gaming, role playing, gaming and video gaming,

[1:42:17] I believe, but it's also a very talented musician.

[1:42:20] And he wrote that song for us a long time ago.

[1:42:22] Yeah. And as for the instruction,

[1:42:24] he originally gave basically the same tune, but it sounded a lot more bluesy.

[1:42:29] He said he was like inspired by the idea of Blophouse to do a bluesy thing,

[1:42:34] which makes sense.

[1:42:36] But, you know, for our show, I was like, I don't know if that's right.

[1:42:40] Could you Simpsonsify it a little bit more?

[1:42:42] Like I want a little bit more like the

[1:42:44] circus kind of energy of like that goofy theme song.

[1:42:48] And he just took the same tune,

[1:42:50] changed the instrumentation around a bit and got us our our theme song.

[1:42:57] And that's the story.

[1:42:58] And now, you know, the rest of the story.

[1:43:03] It's great if you're familiar with the podcast.

[1:43:05] Yeah. And if you're familiar with

[1:43:08] was that Paul Harvey? Yes.

[1:43:10] If you're familiar with the reference to Paul Harvey, a radio storyteller.

[1:43:13] Wait, I thought it was like an invisible rabbit or something.

[1:43:18] No, that's just Harvey.

[1:43:19] I don't know if he has another name. Is his first name Paul?

[1:43:22] And no, I don't know.

[1:43:24] His last name might be Paul.

[1:43:26] Harvey Paul. He's one of the Paul brothers.

[1:43:27] Yeah, he got in trouble because

[1:43:30] he was an imaginary rabbit at a suicide forest in Japan and he made light of it.

[1:43:33] Oh, that's too bad.

[1:43:35] Yeah, now he's an amateur boxer.

[1:43:36] I know those are two different Paul brothers.

[1:43:38] That's the same one.

[1:43:39] Elliot's cast a Paul over the proceedings.

[1:43:44] Wordplay, wordplay, wordplay, wordplay, wordplay.

[1:43:47] Oh, oh, I got to join that picket line.

[1:43:50] I'm a writer now. Got to do it.

[1:43:51] You are a writer. Yeah.

[1:43:53] You know what I'm talking about?

[1:43:56] You know, I should talk about it.

[1:44:01] Talking about stuff.

[1:44:03] I forget the segway I was going to make.

[1:44:05] I started. So you went for the most,

[1:44:07] the most general universal segway that anyone could use.

[1:44:10] Then the one behind the glass that says break.

[1:44:12] So do you like stuff?

[1:44:14] So this is the part of the podcast where we recommend a movie that you might want

[1:44:18] to watch after watching 80 for Brady or instead of

[1:44:23] I'm going to recommend a movie that I watched with my good old pal Dan McCoy.

[1:44:27] We went to a movie theater.

[1:44:30] He's this cool dude sitting next to me.

[1:44:31] He's got a little bit of an attitude, but I love him for it.

[1:44:35] We went to go see Evil Dead Arise.

[1:44:37] We went to an afternoon screening.

[1:44:39] There were a lot of children there,

[1:44:40] which is crazy for a movie about a demonically possessed mom who kills her

[1:44:44] kids, a movie that has Evil Dead, buckets of blood,

[1:44:48] several more buckets of blood than the film titled Buckets of Blood.

[1:44:51] Surprisingly little blood in buckets.

[1:44:53] But yeah, yeah.

[1:44:54] Only one bucket full. Yeah.

[1:44:56] Evil Dead Arise.

[1:44:57] It's been like, what, 10 years since the Evil Dead remake.

[1:45:00] It is not related that I understand

[1:45:04] the Evil Dead remake.

[1:45:05] I recently rewatched a lot of fun, not goofy at all, just very bleak.

[1:45:09] And super gross and gory.

[1:45:11] But what an ending shot. It's amazing.

[1:45:13] And a great setup.

[1:45:15] But Evil Dead Arise is kind of like a mix

[1:45:17] between the bleakness of the remake and the goofiness of the original trilogy.

[1:45:23] It has a like a lot of horror movies now.

[1:45:27] It has like a big opening with a scary part.

[1:45:30] And then we pull back and we have a lot of set up.

[1:45:34] And it takes its time and it kind of

[1:45:35] introduces the world in this apartment

[1:45:38] building that the Deadites will slowly turn into a horrible hellscape trap.

[1:45:45] If I guess if there's if I have a critique,

[1:45:47] it's that it is very obvious with seeding its checkoffs.

[1:45:52] I don't know, wood chippers, tattoo needles, et cetera.

[1:45:55] But almost to the degree that I like it.

[1:45:58] And it also feels like it's of a piece

[1:46:00] with Evil Dead movies like Evil Dead movies don't hide.

[1:46:03] They're not subtle movies.

[1:46:04] The Evil Dead series has never been a subtle.

[1:46:07] Yeah, I think to me it was tipping its hand in the same way that like,

[1:46:11] you know, a Three Stooges short would tip its hand where it's like,

[1:46:14] now now I'm going to go away while you clean.

[1:46:17] Don't break anything.

[1:46:19] You know? Yeah.

[1:46:21] Yeah, I enjoyed it, too.

[1:46:23] It was good enough that there was a woman next to me who I had

[1:46:26] to tell to turn her phone light off and who then gave me a look like I was

[1:46:33] an asshole for pointing out that that was not allowed.

[1:46:36] But how do you say it? How do you say it?

[1:46:37] Did you say like an asshole would say it?

[1:46:40] I said, you can't have your phone on.

[1:46:42] Oh, OK. Wow.

[1:46:45] I don't know that you're the hero of the story, Dan, but I'm glad.

[1:46:47] But it is germane to the audience's understanding of Evil Dead rise.

[1:46:51] So what are you talking about?

[1:46:52] You can't. No, no, no, no.

[1:46:55] It's literally true.

[1:46:56] No, no. We need you on that wall, Dan.

[1:46:58] I'm just saying, you know, I got to look like, you know,

[1:47:02] I'm the problem.

[1:47:03] And the fact that I didn't stress over that for longer than seven minutes is

[1:47:09] a testimony to the the power of the movie.

[1:47:13] Yeah, it's really able to put it behind me in a way that often a lesser film,

[1:47:18] Dan, would be stewing about that for the entire run.

[1:47:22] Yeah, it's it's good and gross.

[1:47:24] It's gory. It's fun.

[1:47:25] It's goopy. Thumbs up.

[1:47:27] Got the cheese. Good, gross, gory and goofy.

[1:47:30] I want to make it clear also that this woman was not doing anything.

[1:47:35] Arguably necessary on her phone,

[1:47:37] she was she had her photo album open and was scrolling through it during the.

[1:47:42] Was it the hidden folder?

[1:47:43] Five minutes of the film.

[1:47:45] It seems like the movie wasn't really grabbing her attention.

[1:47:48] So maybe we should get on her here and get her on here to rebut Stewart's

[1:47:50] recommendation. Yeah, I think that's actually a good idea.

[1:47:53] And if anything, to reunite the two of you guys so you could squash this.

[1:47:56] But on today's flop court, I mean, it seemed it seemed to be fun.

[1:48:02] They're married now. Yeah.

[1:48:04] I'm not. Look.

[1:48:06] It's not.

[1:48:08] Usually I try and find something that's not

[1:48:11] literally where this is going to recommend any for Brady and

[1:48:17] you know, it's nicer to shine a light on something people maybe haven't heard of.

[1:48:21] But I haven't seen a lot recently.

[1:48:23] And the thing I enjoyed the most was

[1:48:24] the new Guardians film, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three,

[1:48:29] became the Adam Warlock movie.

[1:48:31] If you have. I haven't seen it yet.

[1:48:33] But from what I've heard, they do not do Adam Warlock justice.

[1:48:35] Hey, let Dan finish his recommendation.

[1:48:38] I mean, if all you care about is Adam Warlock,

[1:48:40] this movie is not going to serve you well.

[1:48:44] Adam Warlock wise.

[1:48:45] If you have enjoyed the previous two Guardians movies, I think you will enjoy

[1:48:49] this one. Jim Starlin, I would say that I think that

[1:48:53] one of the reasons I I know that Marvel fatigue is real is that no one.

[1:48:59] I've heard very few people talk about how

[1:49:01] absolutely bizarre a lot of this movie is like I feel like,

[1:49:05] you know, 10 years ago, if there was a blockbuster where part of it was,

[1:49:10] I don't know, they go to a living like space station where they have to

[1:49:15] carve through the organic skin of the station to go in to do a little heist

[1:49:22] that people would be like, can you believe that this giant

[1:49:25] blockbuster has like this weird stuff in it?

[1:49:27] But now I mean, it's the third movie

[1:49:30] in a series that stars a talking raccoon that shoots people.

[1:49:33] So I know.

[1:49:34] But part of my point is we've become a nerd to it.

[1:49:36] And I'm saying, like.

[1:49:38] If you are a little marveled out like this is a movie that is

[1:49:44] still has a lot of the weird spirit and and still pushes further than I think you

[1:49:50] would expect out of a big, silly blockbuster with like

[1:49:56] having weird fun stuff going on at all times and.

[1:50:00] And emotional stakes that actually mean something like jokes that come out of the characters rather than just being like let's we need to quit here

[1:50:08] You know

[1:50:09] Yeah, it's like it's genuinely fun. I've seen it as well and it's genuinely funny and it is like I feel like I went in kind of

[1:50:17] with a chip on my shoulder and there was a few things that I

[1:50:21] had some issues with the the

[1:50:24] the animal cruelty and the emotional manipulation of it

[1:50:30] but

[1:50:31] Maybe that's just me. I don't like seeing animals getting hurt

[1:50:35] Yeah, I don't know why like I am a big-time animal lover I think it is for me

[1:50:43] Number one the fact that they're all CGI animals like that helps and I know that

[1:50:48] The the higher brain functions, you know are still locked in and I don't need to

[1:50:53] but but also just like I think it is to an end like it is clear that James Gunn is

[1:50:59] Upset about the idea of like animal cruelty and animal testing and this is his vehicle

[1:51:05] Towards that rather than it just being like let's show some fucked-up shit or something

[1:51:10] Yeah, yeah, but I mean he also shows some fucked-up shit

[1:51:14] Yeah, it's good. It's fun

[1:51:16] I'm recommending also a movie that I guess has some fucked-up animal shit in it and it's kind of a horror movie

[1:51:22] but it's also a

[1:51:24] Documentary somehow and that is the Academy Award winner for best documentary in 1972 the hellstrom chronicle

[1:51:31] so the hellstrom chronicle is a documentary about insects that is

[1:51:36] Factual it has the some of the most amazing close-up insect footage I've ever seen and it's telling you real things about insects

[1:51:43] but it is

[1:51:44] narrated by a fictional scientist who is trying to convince you that we are in a life-or-death battle between humans and

[1:51:50] For who will be the ultimate owners of the planet and it's the first time I've seen a documentary where it's like

[1:51:55] It's a documentary told as if it's a horror story, you know

[1:51:58] and with a with that with fear as its main impetus, but also

[1:52:03] The fear is so over-the-top that at times it's funny and some of the there is some

[1:52:07] Footage of ants overrunning animals at one point that is very that is genuinely very frightening and disturbing and it was directed by

[1:52:13] Whelan Green who has done a lot of TV writing work

[1:52:16] But also wrote the screenplay for the Wild Bunch who wrote the screenplay for sorcerer

[1:52:19] He also wrote the screenplay for solar babies, but you can't you can't totally hold that against him

[1:52:25] Yeah, and it's it's just a it was a really like

[1:52:30] Cool, and it's written by David Seltzer who wrote the screenplay for the omen among other things

[1:52:35] So there it's it has a real horror feel to it

[1:52:39] It feels scary

[1:52:40] But it is a real

[1:52:41] Documentary with real footage of insects and real facts about insects and I thought it was a really cool way to get that information

[1:52:46] across but also it was it was really fun to watch a

[1:52:50] Like a horror documentary that wasn't like a found footage type, you know thing but instead felt like a documentary

[1:52:57] So that's the Hellstrom Chronicle and I believe it's on to be

[1:53:03] Actually, I watched on YouTube never mind

[1:53:06] Be

[1:53:08] Original to be you too

[1:53:09] I went to put it on my letterboxd watch list and I found that something had already landed it there

[1:53:15] So you're only doubling up the recommendation making me more Oh

[1:53:20] Salivating it's real good

[1:53:22] I do want to mention we talked about guardians the galaxy and how it does not necessarily service the needs of Adam Warlock fans if

[1:53:27] You're going to the Hellstrom Chronicle hoping that it services your need as a fan of Damon Hellstrom son of Satan another Marvel character

[1:53:33] He is not he does not appear in the film. I think

[1:53:35] For that character was what about what about mad scientist Darius Hellstrom from the Deadlands universe tabletop role-playing game universe again

[1:53:43] Does not appear in it

[1:53:44] There is a scientist who is mad about things, but I don't know that's the same character and what about strong Thurman?

[1:53:50] Who is currently burning in hell? Yeah, that's a good question

[1:53:53] Also, not he was alive concurrently to when this movie was made, but it does not appear in it is not referenced in it

[1:53:59] Okay, interesting. Yeah, well full of facts

[1:54:02] We've got long enough now, it's time to say goodbye

[1:54:16] Thank you as always to Alex Smith

[1:54:19] He goes by the name of Howell Dottie on various socials

[1:54:22] Now if you want if you're wondering is this how like it's spelled in Howell's moving castle. It is not it is spelled

[1:54:29] Howell

[1:54:31] H o w e ll I was gonna say I don't know how but like that we're William Dean

[1:54:37] How did you get a double W in that house?

[1:54:40] Oh, no, think of how well but then remove one of those. Okay, that's really help and it's space

[1:54:46] And it did to put into layman's terms. It's like William Dean Howell's without the s at the end of how yeah

[1:54:52] I hope that that was

[1:54:54] William Dean Howell's without the s at the end of how yeah, I hope that that was edifying

[1:54:59] I don't like how I was moving castle, but with an e and an extra L

[1:55:06] I guess we could have just spelled it that would have been the shortest

[1:55:08] Yeah, that would have been the shortest. But anyway, if you're interested look up all of his other endeavors

[1:55:14] Thank you. Alex. Just imagine you're saying ho well like you're like you're Robin. Yes something exactly but with no space

[1:55:21] Yeah, anyway, you're not Robin Hood in space Dan like he lived hundreds of years ago

[1:55:25] It's like you're you're saying how in the hell but you remove the in the and the age

[1:55:31] Because you're from jolly old England and we pushed them together into one word. Yeah made it very clear for all of you. So

[1:55:38] You can Alex. You're welcome

[1:55:41] And thank you to maximum fun

[1:55:43] Go to maximum fun org to find other great podcasts on the max fun network

[1:55:48] But for now for the flop house, I've been Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Elliot Kaelin saying WGA strong

[1:55:55] Please support us. We appreciate it. Okay. Bye

[1:56:07] On this episode we discuss 80 for Brady and we'll see if it's a home run or a strikeout

[1:56:14] I

[1:56:18] Mean that was pretty good, too

[1:56:23] Okay, and now here we go

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