Ep. #410 - The Flash

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[0:46] On this episode we discuss the flash or is its North American title?

[0:52] Ricky Oh the story of Ricky and the flash

[0:58] We did it we got all the way there a double-level reference was a long walk we got all the way there

[1:28] Hey everyone, welcome to the flop house, I'm Dan McCoy. Hey, I'm Stuart Wellington

[1:33] I'm Elliot Kalin can't wait to do whatever it is. We do on this flop house podcast Dan. What is it that we do?

[1:39] Let me explain it to you friend

[1:42] We watch a bad familiar Dan. I've done you how long now is it 20 years almost 20 years now?

[1:49] Yeah, yeah, it was a best man in your wedding. That's true

[1:54] You were best man

[1:57] No, no at that point at that time I hadn't known you for quite you were there quite as long you were

[2:03] You were an invitee. You were both men at my recent wedding. Yeah, no, not that reason Dan you're getting older

[2:10] Well, that'd be two years ago

[2:12] I mean like the thing is because I'm getting older two years is but a drop in the bucket of yeah

[2:17] Time that is Dan's life. Yeah, it's a drop

[2:21] Time

[2:22] Little stroll down memory lane and so what we do on this podcast is we figure out who's been at whose weddings and how long?

[2:28] It was the best friend of whom

[2:31] Well, what are we very Dan?

[2:33] Now we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it

[2:37] Yep. Now as I told Stuart over text last week, we had the dessert of watching Mafia mama

[2:45] Now he has to eat his vegetables and watch the flash. We were first for our listeners. That will be two weeks ago

[2:50] Yeah, exactly. Um, and you know, it's just funny that we're reaching a point in history

[2:56] Where Stuart is like, oh god, we gotta watch the flash

[3:05] And I think audiences were cut I mean they didn't embrace Mafia mama like student but they are also

[3:13] Embrace the flash particularly. Yeah, sometimes sometimes guys. I don't wanna I don't wanna speak out or anything

[3:19] But sometimes I think the audiences get it wrong. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but with the flash or with Mafia mama Mafia mama

[3:27] The flash I feel like it was a lack of access and knowledge

[3:31] Necessarily the flash was a movie that you really had to go out of your way to not be aware of Wells

[3:35] Whereas Mafia mama until Stuart said we've got to do Mafia mama. I had not heard of it

[3:40] I think I saw it once and then forgot about entirely but that is the question like at this point

[3:46] Like Mafia mama whether or not you I like that our flash episode is turned into part two of the coverage

[3:52] whether or not you liked it as

[3:55] Stuart and Hallie and I basically did or Hallie and Stuart's case very much did loved it or

[4:02] You know

[4:03] Marginally or more disliked it like Elliot did like it's a movie that as they would say

[4:08] Needed to find its audience and we are living in a world now where movies that side are not allowed to find their audience

[4:16] Well, maybe seven years later on a streaming service when they inexplicably start trending when they suddenly become the biggest hit of the summer

[4:23] Yeah, ironically, we're living at a time when it is

[4:26] Easier than ever to get access to a movie like Mafia mama

[4:30] But it is harder to learn about a movie like Mafia mama because we're gonna hear about it

[4:34] You're probably not gonna see a trailer for it before another movie in the theater

[4:38] You are probably not there's not gonna be a huge ad campaign

[4:41] You're not gonna look at the newspaper section the film section of the newspaper to see what the showtimes are

[4:47] Yeah, like big full-page ads and shit. Yeah, and yet Mafia mama is available to anyone who has a computer or tablet

[4:55] You know

[4:55] Whereas in the past you would have had to at least have access to a video store or a cable channel that might show it

[5:00] And in earlier times you'd have to have access to a theater that was actually screening Mafia mama

[5:04] So it is both easier to get those movies, but harder to learn about them

[5:09] The flash was all over the place both everywhere because he runs so fast in the advertisements and in news stories

[5:16] And yeah

[5:19] News what kind of news stories were there?

[5:21] Ezra Miller news that was oh, that's that's a fair point. Yeah Ezra Miller

[5:26] They did do their best to get out word of the flash in a not necessarily positive or helpful way

[5:31] Yeah, but in a way of becoming a national scandal, yeah sure like Ezra Miller should have been playing the reverse flash

[5:39] They kind of do

[5:45] Just not a professor zoom reverse flash and you make a good point. Wait a minute. Wait a minute

[5:51] There's a guy named professor zoom what I love about the character the reverse flash was not really in this movie

[5:56] Is that he has two names?

[5:58] Professor zoom and the reverse flash and he's often called professor zoom comma the reverse flash

[6:02] Which I love if you got fucking smoked by a bad guy and his name was professor zoom. It's like what a disgrace

[6:09] Yeah, I think that's not the bridge of swords, sir. I think that's why I'm the reverse flash

[6:14] Yeah, it's a little bit like if you were if you were a wrestler and you do were defeated by doink

[6:19] You really hurt. No, wouldn't a reverse flash be super slow. That's the problem. This is a very good point

[6:26] He's not super slow he doesn't run backwards but first it there's really not that much reverse

[6:31] He has was a different regular Barry Allen runs, but first a punch a couple times. Yeah

[6:40] One thing I do want to see you go back in time you have to run but

[6:44] But first otherwise you only go forward in time. Yeah

[6:47] Before we get into it. That's why they call it ass backwards

[6:51] we

[6:55] Said it a few times. I want to know Einstein said that right?

[6:57] I want to know and then Iron Maiden title that Iron Maiden album some butt in time Dan. What are we gonna say?

[7:03] No, no, it's fine. Let's talk about but first

[7:07] No, if ever anyone should be excited to have this this platform talk about butts it is you know to not lover

[7:15] Look, there's a hierarchy. There's math laws hierarchy of interrupt

[7:20] A

[7:25] Crocodile that would be your number one most important interruption

[7:28] Yeah, if you were in danger and you're interrupting me saying something then then I would be much more forgiving

[7:35] Just a continuation of this but still annoyed, but he'd be forgiving

[7:39] No

[7:39] I just wanted to acknowledge up top because I'm afraid that I will mess up or something like

[7:45] Of course Ezra Miller uses they them pronouns when we talk about Barry Allen the flash

[7:50] We will be saying he him because that character. Yes is

[7:55] Uses those pronouns, but if I ever accidentally

[7:59] Refer to the actor. I apologize in advance. I'm gonna try and keep my brain. Alex. I'll have you record

[8:07] They and drop a couple times and just cut it in my good friend. Mr. Black

[8:15] Yeah

[8:17] Who's in charge here who's who's running I'll take this one. You know what? Let me take that. Let me take the wheel

[8:22] On this one. Okay, so are you guys?

[8:25] We're talking about DC movies again again. Wow. No, it the world keeps turning and

[8:31] But for not much longer probably with the DC

[8:33] I I was about to say that like I don't really know that much about the flash

[8:37] But I feel like I watch a bunch of the flash TV show

[8:40] Was it in that was it in the flash TV show where Gorilla Grodd went back in time to kill Obama when he was in college

[8:46] I think probably that sounds like the kind of great storyline you would have

[8:51] I I watched you know, maybe the first four flashes and

[8:57] Enjoyed them, but it was you know

[8:59] It's one of these things where much as I think the flash the movie suffers from the glut of superheroes

[9:05] Much as I think the flash the movie suffers from the glut of superhero stuff. I was like, yeah, do I need to?

[9:11] Watch this sort of like maybe

[9:13] Be minus superhero show that in previous years. I would be like, yeah. Yeah the flesh

[9:18] Well, and this is that there's a there's too much superhero stuff. We'll just say that right off the bat

[9:22] It takes take it for granted

[9:23] There's a lot of stuff in this movie that would be fun or exciting if I hadn't seen it many many times before

[9:27] But that a thing that I you know, 20 years ago. I could never have imagined saying yeah

[9:33] Too much

[9:34] Me sitting as I think I've said for me as a teenager watching the spawn movie in the theaters

[9:38] Purely because I wanted to support any movie based on a comic book even one out that a character

[9:43] I do not like and do not care about

[9:47] Not a good movie and I just the my the lasting memory of it is the scene where John Logazamo as the violator the clown

[9:53] Demon is standing in front of a little girl and his head shrinks as a balloon in his hand

[9:58] That's also of his head

[10:00] bigger and it looks bizarre and the little girl watching him is not phased does not react as if

[10:05] this is not a thing a clown usually does exchange his head with a balloon you know at a you know

[10:10] in front on your doorstep we should revisit that movie maybe for one of our shows because that has

[10:17] among other things some of the wildest early cgi i just i saw some of it recently and it looks

[10:24] so delightfully bad i wish i had i wish i had faith in anything as much as the filmmakers had

[10:32] in the cgi department making it look realistic now uh so but i will say also the flash is that

[10:38] he's an interesting he's an interesting situation because he is both a top tier and a kind of b

[10:44] level dc superhero haters come at me but like he's very famous he's very well known i think

[10:49] it's partly because his costume is great and his power is very easy to understand that he's fast

[10:54] but he's all he's always been kind of like and he's a member of the justice league but he's not

[10:58] quite at that same level as superman batman wonder woman where people generally get excited about the

[11:05] idea of him you know he's more of a green lantern level where it's like you are important to the dc

[11:09] universe but you are not that interesting i'm sure i'm sure he has his fans yes and he can be

[11:15] written very well the beginning of this film makes some hay out of that like that's kind of

[11:20] the vibe we start off with where you know he's fourth down the call sheet when there's a disaster

[11:26] but he has to step up and this is his first movie right this is his first solo film the flash

[11:33] character the so the flash has been in the you know we saw him in justice league you know and

[11:38] there was also the like dan and you said the flash tv show that had a different flash in a different

[11:42] universe you know but um this is the first flash solo film they've been trying to make one for

[11:48] years this movie was in in the making for years with different people and uh involved behind the

[11:53] scenes uh but there's something about well let's get into it i think dan the thing we'll get into

[11:58] the thing that bugs me about him being fourth down the call sheet is rather than making him

[12:02] a character who's just not at the same level as the others they go the way that the marvel movies

[12:06] have done with superman where they make him a goof up who cannot do a single thing right

[12:11] which makes me so mad that it's like there's so many times this where the flash is just

[12:15] fucking up it's not even that he does the wrong thing or makes a mistake he's just doing stupid

[12:18] things he's now done pardon my language but still i will i will argue that in that when we first see

[12:25] him he very accomplished uh he he does a rescue where he does some pretty amazing things that's

[12:34] and then we meet an alternate version arguably super thing who has not gone through the

[12:38] tempering that no no but also he goes back in time the first thing he does is starts talking

[12:44] to his parents and then go out of his way to go talk to his past self what are you an idiot come

[12:48] on anyway so we'll get to it let's start with the movie barry allen the flash played by ezra miller

[12:54] uh is uh just wants his morning sandwich or whatever and he's annoyed by a gossipy sandwich

[12:59] maker who is taking a long time making a sandwich and he's got like big sheldon vibes here right

[13:03] yes well that's the thing sheldon i think that they are i think they are you know bazinga sheldon

[13:12] you may know him as young or why sheldon but uh as in why sheldon why why this show but i think

[13:18] they are really leaning into the idea of the flash as being somewhat in that kind of big bang theory

[13:24] on the spectrum way as maybe as a result of him moving so fast that's hard for him to concentrate

[13:29] he it's hard for him to interact with people but with these movies it's hard to know when a

[13:33] character is just supposed to be a dork like a nerd an awkward nerd or when they're supposed to be

[13:38] somewhere particularly in this opening scene they do a really good job i will say as an audio

[13:45] audience member or an audio member an audience member it is an audio medium podcast

[13:51] getting you annoyed at this fucking sandwich guy yeah it was a real very annoying slow long time

[13:59] as we'll see takes rough at least 15 minutes or to 20 minutes

[14:05] in fact he should this service worker should probably be fired right dan

[14:10] well i'm not gonna ask or maybe like killed by a stray bullet or something

[14:17] mr barry allen the flash you know one of the important things about uh him is he needs

[14:23] calories like his he's got that burn his metabolism is super fast because he's always running

[14:28] so he's like he needs this sandwich to save people and this person's taking so much time

[14:33] and as someone who doesn't have superpowers but gets very hangry i was like yeah give him that

[14:38] fucking food you dick yeah yeah so it does do a good job so the movie if it accomplishes nothing

[14:44] else it does a very good job of making us annoyed at this slow service worker anyway so while he's

[14:48] waiting alfred calls there's a robbery in gotham city all the other heroes are busy as dan mentioned

[14:52] he's fourth down the call sheet the flash he's he goes okay he suits up he's the sandwich maker has

[14:58] his back to him does not right he does not even know what's going on suits up is about to run to

[15:02] gotham the flash logo starts coming up on the screen and then someone like a nerdy fan goes

[15:06] oh my god the flash i love you and it interrupts him and it's a very awkward moment and then the

[15:11] logo comes back up and he runs and this was one of those things where it was like oh i get it

[15:14] you're kind of being you want to deadpool it up you want to like play around with the with the

[15:18] formal nature of the film in a cheeky kind of sarcastic way but it doesn't mean or do anything

[15:23] and the idea that flash has fans even if they are dorky fans fights against the every the

[15:29] personification of the flash from that point on you know the idea that he is the one that

[15:34] a superhero that characters don't really respect or pay attention to i see what you're saying but

[15:38] i i don't know i mean like and there's you know every dorky celebrity that's true that's a good

[15:45] point case in point yeah look at us uh i wouldn't call it celebrity i when people ask me they go

[15:52] they go are you famous and i go i'm a minor notable that's what i say i'm a minor notable

[15:58] quotable my quotable is seven hundred thousand dollars so if you want me that's what it's

[16:03] going to cost uh but you get everything for that one everything for one night for one magical night

[16:09] that sounds like a decent proposal i'll have to take out a loan but uh i can't deny that i'm a

[16:16] little curious yeah i mean you should try it out yeah let's go for it by anything once dan

[16:22] i'll give you the friends and family rate of nine hundred thousand dollars it's more expensive

[16:25] because it'll be more awkward because you're a friend or family because all the eye contact

[16:32] oh no one of the rules is no eye contact and everything except i can't and no kissing on

[16:36] the mouth either no anyway but uh actually you know what dan for you i'll kiss you on the mouth

[16:40] but still no eye contact yeah so anyway um he uh he races through the cgi landscape of america

[16:49] to get to gotham city because he's in central city which is kind of like detroit and gotham

[16:53] city is of course new york uh and ben affleck batman is dealing with a mobster who stole a

[16:59] deadly virus from a hospital somehow this robbery caused the ground under the hospital to collapse

[17:04] and now the hospital is in danger of collapsing and batman i'm fine with that that's fine batman

[17:09] is like flash take care of this collapsing hospital while i chase the bad guys with

[17:13] reckless disregard for the lives of civilians like it is it says so much about the dc characters

[17:18] they have no regard for any other human being that might be in their path unless they're unless

[17:22] their job is to save that specific person and it's flash's job because uh-oh what's about to happen

[17:28] the building tilts and dozens of babies fall out of the window this is the scene you may have seen

[17:33] online and i've got to say uh out of context this looks ridiculous in context you can tell it's

[17:39] supposed to look ridiculous you know this is supposed to be sorry i really liked the scene

[17:44] of the action sequences in the movie by far this is the one i liked this is i think so too yeah

[17:51] i like it because it's so silly because it's like literally like a bunch of babies are full

[17:55] and first he runs out of energy so he has to smash a vending machine and gobble down as many

[17:59] candy bars as he can and then he saves the babies in very cartoonish ways he puts one in an

[18:03] unplugged microwave he throws a bedpan to knock a flamethrower away or a flame jet or something

[18:09] away from another it feels like the thing is about the scene it feels like a parody of a

[18:12] superhero movie it feels like the movie is trying for guardians of the galaxy deadpool silliness

[18:17] and it has gone all the way forward into batman 66 kind of parodying the original source material

[18:24] and there was that part where the flash's pants catch on fire and one of the baby pees on the

[18:28] fire to put it up i don't remember the dream you had after i mean i could have believed it in there

[18:35] like yeah but uh uh and the flash establishes yeah i want to step back and just like the worried

[18:40] audience member who might be listening to us uh the baby gets put in the microwave so it's an

[18:46] unplugged microwave safe from some fire this isn't an episode of the fucking boys or something

[18:53] and a flash establishes when he's moving really fast it's difficult for him to touch another human

[18:57] being without hurting them so he can't just pluck these babies out of the air he has to use objects

[19:02] around him to get the babies out of danger and i do like when he when he touches objects that are

[19:08] kind of frozen in the by the speed force like they light up a different color like you're playing

[19:13] a video game yeah there's a lot well a lot of this movie looks like a video game we'll get to

[19:16] that that's and that's the thing like i feel like that is such a cliche to say is to be like oh this

[19:22] whole thing looks like a video game but like for real there's whole swaths of this movie that look

[19:27] like a fucking cut scene from injustice and it's fucked up but also the fight scenes later on are

[19:32] not just very heavily cgi but they are framed like a video game level like you are like you

[19:37] are watching from a camera point of view that you would be watching from if it was a fighting

[19:41] game of some if it was a like um not a side-scrolling fighting game like street fighter

[19:44] but you know what i mean like a you know um uh like a beat-em-up game or something yeah exactly

[19:49] some game where you're wandering like if you're playing a batman video game and you're wandering

[19:52] on gotham city beating people up it looks like that anyway this movie is it's it's got a hard

[19:58] challenge ahead of it it wants to

[20:00] you feel for this character after you have seen a scene where he is plucking babies or he's using

[20:04] bedpans to save babies i do not think you can clear this bar let's find out you're you're like

[20:11] he's this is a save the cat moment this is what makes you care for him i just saved a bunch of

[20:16] babies which are like human cats the react we've established that the reality of this movie

[20:22] suck that closer to the microphone yeah i'm just sucking the second that is

[20:27] anyway long story short bats and flash they catch the baddies wonder woman stops by for

[20:32] a completely unnecessary cameo where she uses her truth lasso to make the heroes say embarrassing

[20:37] things about themselves uh this is how did you guys go over this joke i felt like this was a

[20:41] joke that was pushing things a little too far for me uh i i figure i'll be honest i don't know

[20:47] whether you'll take this as an insult or a compliment or neutral i i was like elliot's

[20:52] gonna have problems with this moment i was gonna think this breaks it too much i i liked it because

[20:58] i think that the movie does a couple of these things but not as much as like movies that are

[21:04] really just like bucket break the reality like a superhero joke i'll tell you this it's like i

[21:11] would like this joke if the flash was not part of a larger universe that already had an established

[21:16] tone i feel like what this movie is hurt in ways that are maybe unfair to it as a singular film

[21:22] because it is so clashing with the tone that the dc movie universe has set up for me up to this point

[21:27] and so for batman to grab at last the truth lasso and to say well really if i want to stop crime i

[21:33] should do things like affect the roots of crime which are poverty i should give money to people

[21:36] and then let's go to the lasso once you've had batman say that i can no longer take a guy who

[21:40] dresses up in a bat costume and beats up people with mental problems as a hero exactly because

[21:46] he said that and yeah and like the truth lasso's fucking therapy yes and ezra miller or the flash

[21:53] rather not as well the flash grabs the lasso and says i've heard of sex but i've never experienced

[21:57] it and that was a little too far from me where it was like okay maybe this character is a virgin

[22:00] but it feels like a very easy go-to to establish yeah he's kind of a he's a nerd so he's a virgin

[22:05] like also i mean i guess does the truth lasso make you just blurt stuff out well that's the

[22:10] other thing tell the truth it does i think make you blurt stuff out as according to this you know

[22:14] um the anyway but and also the fact that the wonder woman cameo is unnecessary there's no

[22:20] reason for her to be there i kind of see what you're saying elliot but also if you're going

[22:25] to create this big universe i like that there are different tones in it and i would certainly

[22:30] prefer this tone to the justice league tone so i'll give you that if the justice league movies

[22:35] were funny yeah i wouldn't have as big an issue with it and i would enjoy it more i think this

[22:40] scene would work for me in the event in an avengers movie for instance or a marvel movie

[22:44] just because the other movies are not trying to convince me that they are on

[22:47] schindler's list level seriousness exactly yeah well i mean i feel like saying this cameo is

[22:54] unnecessary i mean it's it's meant it's like part of a joke i feel like that's fine like it doesn't

[23:01] have to you don't need it to relate to the plot no that's true speaking of plot we got some heavy

[23:06] plot we're about to get to flash runs back to central city just in time to get his sandwich

[23:10] but he's late for work at the crime's forensic lab where his mean co-workers are making fun of

[23:14] him and guys maybe this says more about me than the movie the most exciting moment to me in this

[23:18] entire movie was when saoirse monica jackson from dairy girls showed up as one of his as one of his

[23:23] mean co-workers i love her i love that show so it was like the same way that i was telling people

[23:28] this recently that if i was watching any movie and rick moran has showed up in it i would lose

[23:33] my shit i would be so excited about it and so this was i was like nothing in this movie is

[23:37] exciting me oh but this actress i like from the tv show is in it this is great yeah you know and

[23:41] she's funny as the alternate universe version of herself later on too yes i mean she's a very funny

[23:45] performer uh so anyway uh he also runs into his college crush iris west who as we know from the

[23:50] comic books that eventually he marries uh who is now a reporter covering flash's dad's murder trial

[23:55] because as you may remember from the justice league movie flash's dad is on trial for allegedly

[24:00] murdering flash's mom of course barry knows that this is not the case he has security footage

[24:05] of his dad in a store when the crime is committed unfortunately his dad's wearing a hat and he never

[24:10] looks up at the camera so he can't see his face clearly enough for the footage to be an alibi for

[24:15] he's gotta flash that poem you know yeah we all know that i hide your light under a bushel his

[24:20] father's uh his father ron livingston's only real crime was uh stealing all those portions of a penny

[24:27] in the in the in oh office space yeah yeah oh right right i was like superman three

[24:34] well yeah i mean they make a point of saying they're just doing the superman three that's

[24:38] right but i had forgotten i forgot that they that that's what office space i barely remember

[24:44] no oh no i like office space i just didn't remember the plot you know okay um i mean i

[24:48] like mike judge's stuff you know king of the hills from the greatest show it's interesting

[24:52] how little plot there is on office space by the time that rolls around in the movie it's like

[24:58] it's more like that we've just been hanging out with these guys for a while you know yeah yeah

[25:03] it's like the movie is like we should probably have them do something

[25:07] so uh dad on the phone with flash is like hey just give up i'll go to jail forever i didn't

[25:13] kill your mom but i guess there's nothing we can do about it stop worrying about me you should go

[25:17] on dates kids yeah yeah exactly uh which uh classic wonder woman told me you're a virgin

[25:25] yeah uh the the flash is i i don't believe jewish but it is a very jewish parent to be like

[25:31] no go on a date let me moulder in jail for a crime i didn't commit i don't care as long

[25:38] as you're happy you know based on his mom later he's half italian but uh alan you know that sounds

[25:45] alan is a classic jewish name alan does sound like italian so no i'm saying the mom is italian

[25:50] it also sounds like father's name alan do you think he's an alien so you're saying that maybe

[25:55] his mother is italian jewish like sephardic and that's why i'm not saying anything i'm saying

[26:00] that we have some some evidence as to barry allen's the ethnicity of barry allen yeah that's

[26:07] fair so um so flash goes into a flashback that is the crux of the film uh he flashes back to

[26:14] the day that's why it's called a flashback exactly exactly that's why it's called a flashback

[26:18] because they knew eventually it would occur in the movie the flash went back in time using his

[26:23] flash powers and they're like oh and he invented the word flashback in the past and that's why

[26:29] yeah exactly it's a paradox yeah yeah so but he doesn't just one dot the paradox yeah he doesn't

[26:35] use his powers to do this flashback he uses the power that we all have access to our memories

[26:40] yes he enters his memory palace or as it's also known as memory to uh to remember something uh and

[26:46] so flash remembers as it's going to turn out the day that his mother died which starts with his mom

[26:52] telling him coincidentally enough the moral of the movie he's doing his math homework and he's

[26:57] very frustrated and she goes look some not every problem has a solution sometimes you need to let

[27:01] go which is good life advice it's bad advice for math homework yes yeah and also didn't he like i

[27:07] feel like he said something like i can see so many possible ways of doing this or something like

[27:12] before that something like that yeah and like that's a direct contradiction of what she's saying

[27:17] like if there's like a thousand ways of doing it then she's like sometimes there's no answer but

[27:22] also i don't think anyone's giving math homework that has no answer certainly not at that level

[27:28] he's an elementary school kid certainly they're not dealing with unprovable theorems at that level

[27:33] he's clearly doing it he's not trying to get in the starfleet or something

[27:37] he's like mom this kobayashi maru is not working for me that's the that's the point of the test son

[27:43] you're supposed to learn there's no answer that doesn't make sense as a test for mathematicians

[27:49] so uh anyway they forgot the tomatoes dad goes to the store to get the canned tomatoes

[27:53] mom starts singing and dancing with kid barry uh and cut to dad gets back home the mom has been

[27:59] stabbed young barry who i guess was upstairs when this was happening he's like his dad is like

[28:04] call 9-1-1 and young barry instead runs out of the house uh and the and i guess it's supposed

[28:10] to be because the flash he's always running the flash is so upset by this memory that he just

[28:14] starts running super fast and he runs so fast that he bursts into a kaleidoscopic memory world

[28:19] that is like a time travel dimension let's say it's a speed zone or something time arena or

[28:23] whatever and it transports yeah he's in the time arena so when he gets into the speed zone that's

[28:27] a stand-up and cheer moment but in the time arena it's more of a sit down and go huh moment you know

[28:32] it's not quite a stand-up and cheer well also i'm wondering so he's got to be running this whole time

[28:37] right or like is he just vibrating so fast is that what's going on i don't know because later

[28:41] on they just like stand around that's what i'm saying he's like hanging out in this time arena

[28:45] and i'm wondering like in the real world and our time is like he just speeding around the world

[28:50] over and over again just he's no longer on our planet reality various things once he gets to

[28:55] the time arena i think he is no longer in our physical reality he is in some sort of alternate

[29:00] space where you can verse a madness yes exactly or like i just read uh avram davidson's masters

[29:06] of the maze and he's entered this kind of time space maze that there are many entryways to but

[29:11] unfortunately the evil chulpeks are trying to use it to invade our world with their bizarre insectoid

[29:17] hive society anyway this is a real fun book uh but yeah i think he is not i don't think he's like

[29:23] in his mind in this past space but in reality running around i think he just burst through the

[29:28] time barrier to this alternate limbo you know or this this uh what they would call in uh at one

[29:33] point the dc universe had something called uh uh i forgot was crisis time or something i don't

[29:39] remember what it was anyway it was the thing they oh hyper time they introduced the thing called

[29:42] hyper time okay as a way of having multiple universes but it's like time that changes color

[29:46] when you put like some heat on it yeah yeah exactly it's thermally color changing time

[29:52] all right 90s kids will remember

[29:56] yeah slap bracelets etc so uh and that he

[30:00] Most fuckin' said slap bracelets.

[30:02] I was also thinking, that's the other

[30:04] gee, gimmicky thing you could wear from our childhood

[30:09] that stuck in my mind.

[30:10] Hypercolor shirts, slap bracelets, what a great time.

[30:14] What a time to be alive.

[30:15] The Cold War had just ended, shirts could change color.

[30:18] Uh-huh, yeah, economic prosperity.

[30:20] And now I'm imagining the Stephen King of our generation

[30:22] who's writing a story and he's like,

[30:24] mm, back when I was a kid, shirts could change color,

[30:26] not like these modern shirts.

[30:27] They're so disappointing, you know?

[30:30] We were all listening to Spice Girls back then, real music.

[30:33] Anyway, so Flash managed to transport himself

[30:37] back in time a day by traveling this way.

[30:41] And that night, maybe the next night, I don't know,

[30:43] he's hanging out with Bruce Wayne in what,

[30:45] like an alleyway or something like that?

[30:46] Yeah, yeah, they got a lot of that, alleyways.

[30:49] I wanna take a brief sidebar and just say that

[30:52] this is my favorite.

[30:53] Brief sidebar?

[30:53] This is my brief, but it's not in this movie.

[30:56] This is my favorite iteration of Affleck

[31:01] as Bruce Wayne slash Batman.

[31:05] Partly because we all know he's over it by this time,

[31:09] and his attitude, sort of hanging out with Barry Allen,

[31:13] is also over it, like he's like,

[31:15] I guess this guy's one of my closest friends,

[31:17] I gotta put up with him.

[31:18] It feels very true to Batman to me,

[31:20] that he's kind of over it and not enthusiastic

[31:23] about anything, you know?

[31:25] But I just like him in this mode,

[31:27] this sort of more human side.

[31:28] The weirdest part is that they're having a conversation

[31:31] and Iris West sees this and she's just like,

[31:36] oh wow, you have rich friends.

[31:37] And I'm like, you know who that is, right?

[31:40] He's like a billionaire, that's Batman.

[31:42] I mean, that's Bruce Wayne.

[31:43] He's gotta be one of the most famous people

[31:45] in the country at this point.

[31:47] Who's able to drive himself places.

[31:49] He's a billionaire playboy, yeah,

[31:50] he can drive himself places.

[31:54] He doesn't have a driver.

[31:56] He doesn't have to ask for his mom or dad to borrow the car.

[31:59] They don't have to.

[32:00] Famously, they're dead.

[32:04] So yeah, he can do it, he can have cereal for breakfast.

[32:06] He doesn't need to ask his parents for permission.

[32:07] He can do whatever he wants.

[32:08] Yeah, play video games all day.

[32:10] His parents, he's an orphan.

[32:12] Stop, stop talking about this, guys.

[32:14] It's making me very sad.

[32:15] Yeah, it is very sad.

[32:16] What have I done in my life

[32:18] that I don't just do that all day long?

[32:21] And so, Bruce Wayne,

[32:23] oh, so not sad about Bruce Wayne

[32:24] losing his parents as a child.

[32:25] I don't care about that, no.

[32:26] Sad about the emptiness of your life.

[32:27] What I've lost.

[32:29] My metaphorical loss of parents.

[32:33] I'm imagining a grown man watching Home Alone

[32:36] and being like, ugh, if only.

[32:37] What a dream.

[32:38] And it's like, but you are Home Alone all the time.

[32:40] Just do what you want.

[32:41] I feel like there's a lot of action movies

[32:45] that are built around the premise

[32:47] that a guy's family is killed

[32:48] and he has to go on revenge.

[32:49] And I feel like Home Alone is kind of like that.

[32:52] And Bruce is like,

[32:52] oh, I thought you were gonna pitch a movie

[32:54] where it's like, well, you know,

[32:55] honestly, it's very sad.

[32:57] But on the other hand,

[32:58] I have all this free time.

[32:59] All this time now, so little responsibility.

[33:01] Time enough at last.

[33:02] Well, Home Alone, in a way, it's kind of-

[33:03] And then the glasses break.

[33:04] Home Alone is kind of like Die Hard

[33:06] in that it's a Christmas movie.

[33:08] Mm.

[33:10] Home Alone 2, also like Die Hard

[33:11] in that it is also a Christmas movie.

[33:14] Similar to Gremlins.

[33:14] Do you have any more?

[33:15] Any more?

[33:16] Other Christmas movies.

[33:17] It's a wonderful life.

[33:18] Is Christmas with the Kranks

[33:19] a Christmas movie or is it an ironic title?

[33:22] Miracle on 34th Street.

[33:24] I don't know if you realize this.

[33:25] This is a Christmas movie.

[33:26] Really?

[33:27] Yeah.

[33:28] What about Santa Claus the movie?

[33:28] Is that a Christmas movie?

[33:30] What about The Ref?

[33:32] Well, that's kind of an elder chore.

[33:33] Is The Ref a Christmas movie?

[33:34] The Ref?

[33:35] Yeah, yeah, sure.

[33:36] The Ref is a Christmas movie.

[33:37] Yep.

[33:38] Any movie that takes place during Christmas

[33:40] is by definition a Christmas movie.

[33:42] Oh, we did it, guys.

[33:43] Yeah, we did it.

[33:44] Okay, so that night, so they're hanging out

[33:45] and Barry's like, I think I can go back in time.

[33:47] And Bruce Wayne goes, don't do that.

[33:49] Don't change the past.

[33:50] And Batman of all people.

[33:51] Would you say a reasonable thing for him to say?

[33:53] Or open the portal of time.

[33:55] And Batman of all people says,

[33:57] don't let your tragedy define you.

[33:58] And I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be

[34:00] Batman being like, I know, believe me.

[34:02] I've defined my life by a tragedy

[34:03] and I know it's a mistake.

[34:05] Or if the movie is just kind of like winking at us.

[34:07] You know?

[34:08] I couldn't tell.

[34:09] Iris stops, again, Iris sees Flash hanging out

[34:11] with his famous billionaire best friend.

[34:13] She stops by Flash's apartment.

[34:15] He uses his powers to tidy it up

[34:17] and he vibrates through the wall

[34:18] to get some beer from next door.

[34:19] I mean, give me more of that shit.

[34:19] Give me more silly stuff, please.

[34:21] Yeah, yeah.

[34:22] And Barry decides, while talking to Iris,

[34:24] that he can use his powers to save his mom

[34:26] by just making sure she doesn't forget that can of tomatoes

[34:29] so that his dad doesn't have to go back to the store,

[34:31] leaving his mom unprotected.

[34:33] I do.

[34:34] So, we can all agree,

[34:36] Barry, you're responsible to fuck with time.

[34:38] Don't do it.

[34:39] Is this gonna be about canned tomatoes

[34:41] as like a cooking person?

[34:44] Oh, no, no, no, no.

[34:46] Look, use canned tomatoes.

[34:47] They're just fine.

[34:48] Okay.

[34:49] In many applications, they're better

[34:50] than trying to use fresh tomatoes.

[34:51] I was so worried you were gonna say,

[34:52] Barry's mom deserves to die for not using fresh tomatoes.

[34:55] No, no, no.

[34:56] It'd be like too far, Daniel, too far.

[34:57] The point I was going to make was-

[34:57] I can't, that is a bridge too far for me.

[34:59] I can't cross it.

[35:00] This movie, while inferior to

[35:06] the similarly- Most movies.

[35:07] Themed Spider-Man movie with everyone,

[35:12] No Way Home, is that the most recent one?

[35:14] Spider-Man, All the Homes?

[35:16] Yeah, No Way Home.

[35:18] At least, Barry is less irresponsible than Spider-Man

[35:23] in that he is messing with time

[35:26] for something very important to him

[35:29] rather than just college and helping his friends.

[35:31] And to him, he's saying,

[35:32] this is a small thing I'm doing.

[35:33] I'm making a very small change.

[35:34] He's gonna do a small thing.

[35:35] He's trying to thread that needle.

[35:37] He's trying to be like,

[35:38] oh, if I just change the tomato thing,

[35:41] it's, you know, but as we'll see.

[35:44] And Barry has a mentor who's like,

[35:46] don't change time, dude,

[35:47] as opposed to Spider-Man, who's mentor,

[35:49] Dr. Strange, is like, let's do it, man.

[35:51] Yeah, sure, why not?

[35:53] Pull out my spell book.

[35:54] I enjoyed that movie a lot.

[35:55] I have so many problems with how they get into that story.

[35:58] I think it's dumb that that's the solution Spider-Man wants.

[36:00] I think it's dumb that Dr. Strange goes along with it.

[36:03] But it's like when Mephisto ended Spider-Man's marriage.

[36:06] Didn't like the way it happened,

[36:07] but I loved the stories that came out of it.

[36:09] So, you know what?

[36:11] I can accept it.

[36:12] Here's to you, Mephisto.

[36:16] You know what?

[36:17] Let's raise a glass to the character

[36:18] who's kind of Satan, but kind of not, Mephisto.

[36:21] Before anyone tries to get a no prize from us,

[36:23] like I realized that the fucking Spider-Man movie

[36:25] isn't about time,

[36:26] but it's a multiverse movie just like this one is.

[36:28] And that's another problem with, I think,

[36:31] people's reaction to The Flash is like,

[36:33] I'm sure when they started developing this,

[36:36] they're like, yeah, yeah, this is gonna be so exciting.

[36:39] And especially with like the other,

[36:40] like Michael Keaton,

[36:41] like so many things lunch were eaten for The Flash

[36:45] by the time The Flash came around.

[36:47] It's a real problem that both of these universes

[36:50] have gone all in on multiverse

[36:52] when one of them got there first.

[36:54] And also like the multiverse does not have

[36:57] as much juice in it as people believe.

[36:59] Even by the time that Spider-Man No Way Home was doing it,

[37:02] we'd already seen into the Spider-Verse.

[37:03] It's like, there's so many ideas in the world.

[37:06] There's so many that have been yet to be conceived.

[37:08] I've already seen an episode of

[37:10] Rick and Morty.

[37:11] Like I've already watched all of Sliders.

[37:14] I get it.

[37:15] Parallel universes.

[37:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[37:16] It's all of us.

[37:17] It's all roads lead back to Sliders.

[37:20] Yeah.

[37:20] Well, it's also, it's excellent

[37:22] for sort of like individual stories

[37:24] like the Spider-Verse animated movies

[37:29] or outside of superheroes, everything,

[37:32] everywhere all at once.

[37:33] But I think once you make it a cornerstone

[37:36] of your universe, then it becomes a problem

[37:39] because it's like, well, literally everything

[37:41] can be undone, nothing matters.

[37:43] Like that's the problem once it becomes

[37:45] such a big part of.

[37:46] Well, and also, once you have infinite versions

[37:48] of every character, the life of an individual character,

[37:51] unless you've really come to know that specific one,

[37:53] is meaningless.

[37:54] You know, because you can just replace them

[37:56] with another one.

[37:57] One Kang could be impressive.

[38:00] A million Kangs, who gives a shit?

[38:02] Like, at this point, they're nobody.

[38:04] You know, they're nobody.

[38:04] Kang remains?

[38:05] Would you rather fight one horse-sized Kang

[38:10] or a thousand Kang-sized horses?

[38:14] That's actually a really good question, man.

[38:15] That's a good question.

[38:16] I think I'm gonna take the one horse-sized Kang

[38:18] rather than a thousand Kang-sized horses, yeah.

[38:22] So anyway, he goes back to the store

[38:25] where his mom forgot the tomatoes,

[38:27] puts a can of tomatoes in her cart.

[38:29] He's about to race back to his own time

[38:32] and he's running through new memories

[38:33] that he never had before of his mother

[38:35] at events in his life that she previously

[38:37] had not lived to see.

[38:39] Until an evil-looking, shadowy figure,

[38:41] looks like Doomsday, but we know it's not Doomsday

[38:43] because he was already in one of these movies.

[38:43] Is it a reverse Flash?

[38:45] Not exactly, but we'll see.

[38:47] I mean, it's clearly gonna be a time paradox of some kind.

[38:49] The only explanation that will ever make sense

[38:51] in these movies is that it's that character

[38:53] from the future doing it.

[38:54] So you kind of know that that's what it's gonna be.

[38:57] They're not gonna, as the movie goes on

[38:58] and they don't introduce a new villain,

[39:00] you kind of know that that has to be the case.

[39:02] But some evil-looking, shadowy figure punches him

[39:04] and knocks him right out of the speed zone

[39:06] or the time arena into the street

[39:09] outside his parents' house.

[39:10] And he soon finds, by going in and visiting them,

[39:12] that it's his freshman year of college.

[39:13] That's a good-ass punch, by the way.

[39:15] He's very specific, considering what day

[39:18] it turns out to be.

[39:19] Yes, he punches him into the exact day

[39:21] that it needs to be.

[39:22] That's the thing, as we later find out.

[39:24] For some reason, the Flash, knowing that his own

[39:27] younger self exists, puts a pair of underpants

[39:30] on his head, like for a mask, and then goes out of his way

[39:33] to ask his younger self what year it is.

[39:34] And it's like, just avoid him.

[39:36] Just don't talk to him.

[39:37] What are you doing?

[39:38] You know this is the one thing you're never supposed to do,

[39:40] is go talk to your own past yourself.

[39:41] Two things, never step on a butterfly

[39:43] when you're hunting dinosaurs.

[39:44] That goes without saying.

[39:45] Number two, don't talk to your own past self.

[39:46] Shouldn't be hunting dinosaurs, they're cool.

[39:48] Well, you're not Turok.

[39:50] And I want to get into something.

[39:51] There's only one guy who's licensed to hunt dinosaurs.

[39:53] That's Turok.

[39:55] We can't all be Turok.

[39:56] Trust me, I would love to be.

[39:57] Son of Stone, yes.

[39:59] Dinosaur hunter of.

[40:00] But I can't be Turok look this is gonna be nitpicky and nerdy, but what are we here for if not that?

[40:05] I don't think we should do that on the the flash podcast

[40:09] So, you know in the next scene

[40:12] you know like they realize this is the day that the flash gets his powers and Barry is like I got to get you to

[40:18] The way to get the powers so because if you don't go Barry this I'm gonna call them young Barry and og Barry

[40:24] Because if you don't have the powers and I can't go back like all this, you know paradox stuff

[40:29] yeah, and and

[40:31] Like and the flash and originally meant to go back to the time that he left from

[40:36] Yeah, which he's where he seems to think there's not gonna be another Barry and I'm like, what do you do?

[40:42] Like, what are you doing?

[40:43] Like why do you think you can go back and it's all gonna be the same like this isn't like obviously you've created some sort

[40:49] Of branching timeline later on we will learn

[40:52] That time doesn't work that way in this movie

[40:55] And I think that they handle it kind of as elegantly as they can considering what they want to do

[41:00] But at this point move in like why on earth would you think that you could just run back to the same point and pick?

[41:06] Up your life. He somehow thinks that

[41:08] Saving his mom's life will not change anything else about his life

[41:12] But then when he realizes that it has he comes up with the dumbest solution

[41:16] Which is I need you to get flash powers when he already has flash powers. Just run back. You have them already

[41:22] They didn't disappear just use them. There's no reason need to give them to this, dude

[41:26] Anyway, I feel like this is also kind of a point where?

[41:29] the Barry Allen that we had come to know at this point is

[41:33] Kind of as he said like a little bit weird a little maybe on the spectrum a little awkward

[41:39] But from this point on

[41:41] Barry that Barry is very much normal

[41:44] I don't want to say normal but like is very much in charge is any he is now like

[41:50] The man from the future who is trying to tutor his younger

[41:54] So it's lost any of that any of that personal awkwardness that he has before because now it is he's the straight person

[42:00] Terrible. I hate all these terms that if he's now he is the reactive serious person to the younger Barry

[42:06] Who is essentially Pauly Shore? He's like, that's the thing dumb. He's annoying. He goes

[42:11] And said like they have so and it's one of those things where it's like

[42:14] I don't believe these are the same person like people mature as they get older. That's what I do not trauma, dude

[42:20] You know what? I guess that's what it is without the trauma of his mother's death. He became

[42:25] This is like

[42:27] The original Barry Allen his parents were taken away and he was forced to grow up too soon

[42:33] even if he's like an awkward guy and

[42:37] This other kid has experienced like no problems in his life. And so I'm not saying like that's like

[42:45] You know like bad. I'm sure

[42:47] Given time he'll develop into like a better person at this point in his life. He's just like kind of a stoned like goofball

[42:55] I don't I don't have any issues with the difference between the two berries. Yeah, it's just OG Barry

[43:00] I think makes such a character shift at this point to fit the needs of the story, which doesn't work for me

[43:06] I think yeah

[43:08] I'll be the dissenting voice because I think that when you're you're presented with this alternate irresponsible version of yourself

[43:15] like you kind of like

[43:24] I think the different thing for me is that he doesn't become a responsible authority. He just starts acting like one

[43:30] So maybe that's what it is. Because again the flash makes dumb decision after dumb decision for stupid reasons

[43:38] But the one thing I did like about this which comes up about a couple times

[43:41] Is that there's tension between the two berries over the way they feel about their mom to OG Barry?

[43:47] Their mom is a murdered saint and they can only remember the good things and to young Barry

[43:53] Their mom is their mom who is on his case and is annoying and he does. Yeah, he doesn't he's not a grateful enough for and

[44:00] he doesn't

[44:01] Respect enough and he doesn't you know

[44:03] Appreciate enough and I thought that that felt very I wish they had done more with that because that thread feels very real to me

[44:09] that resentment over don't you see how special this person you have is and young Barry being I

[44:14] can't see how special she is because I

[44:17] Don't have anything to compare it to I she's always part of my life and I remember the annoying things as well as the great

[44:21] Things but anyway, that's that's a they do that a little bit, but I wish they did it a little more. Anyway

[44:26] the

[44:27] So past Barry is gonna go on a date with Iris that night, but OG Barry is like no this is the night

[44:32] We get our powers. We've got to sneak into the police lab and reenact our origins so that you can get powers

[44:37] Dumb stupid decision. It doesn't make sense

[44:40] They go in they both get hit by lightning because of science past Barry gets powers and OG Barry loses his power

[44:46] So wait, so we're leading to a movie a time travel and our hero loses his powers

[44:53] Okay, this is all taking off all the fucking superhero box. Yes, they are running through all the spider-man movies at this point

[44:58] It's all mashed up into one, you know in middle school science. I teach you one lightning strike powers two lightning strikes

[45:05] No powers

[45:07] Coconut rules exactly. It's super coconut rules. So this movie does not feature a point where Barry is so happy

[45:14] They doesn't have powers anymore

[45:15] He walks past an alleyway where a guy's getting mugged and a scream and he's just like not my problem

[45:24] One of the best moments in a super

[45:29] It is a realistic moment if spider-man to what a picture what a great movie spider-man

[45:34] I mean any any universe where spider-man to exists a movie like the flash is gonna suffer because spider-man 2 is so good and I

[45:40] Remember it while I'm watching this and he's gonna watch a bad movie. I remember the good movies. I've seen I go

[45:45] Oh, that was good. Why can't this remember that remember when?

[45:48] Doc-ox arms come alive and it's like a Evil Dead movie. Wasn't that awesome? Yeah, that was great

[45:53] Oh, you got the quad screen of their different points of view. Yeah

[45:57] Wonderful turning into the Chris Farley show

[46:00] Well only if Sam Raimi was here I guess but it but the

[46:05] Nuts of Sam Raimi was here. I would have so much to talk to him about guys

[46:08] I've got some exciting news for you. My special guests. Come on in. Oh, hello. It's me Sam Raimi

[46:15] I don't really know what I sound like

[46:17] Michigan accent

[46:20] Remember those days when it was just me and Bruce Campbell hanging out in a gross cabin making Evil Dead movie

[46:26] Checks out. Yeah, I hope you enjoy my new film Oz the great and powerful. Oh, no, we took him from the wrong point in time

[46:33] Took him from right when Oz the great powerful was coming out

[46:36] Anyway, Sam Raimi everybody. Uh, so oh he's leaving now. He's going back and back to time. Bye Sam

[46:42] So past Barry, of course, he loves having these powers

[46:45] He causes chaos runs around ends up naked in the street as fireworks are going off and musical instruments that fell off a truck are

[46:51] playing themselves

[46:53] I also kind of liked this like just how

[46:57] Much goes wrong from him

[47:00] Irresponsibly using his power like it's a ridiculous just thing after thing after thing and just imagining like the the movie

[47:07] So it just took the time and the effort to do this big set piece of just showing him being a doofus

[47:14] Yeah, I feel like again if this movie was a parody of superhero movies

[47:17] I think I'd be all in

[47:19] But the tone of the movie is so back and forth that it's hard for me to sit with it

[47:24] It and in a way it behaves like a parody in that it barely introduces any of the characters

[47:30] It assumes, you know them from that. They're such pop culture icons. Just like how a parody movie would do the same thing

[47:37] Yeah, that's true. That's a very good point. Like the characters are our pre-existing reference points. The movie doesn't really I mean

[47:44] Who's the character that gets the most like new introduction is probably Barry's mom, you know

[47:50] Yeah is the only one who's kind of treated as a new character even Iris is just kind of like she gets sort of those

[47:54] It's me Iris. Anyway, so the next day

[47:58] OG Barry is like past young Barry. Here's my costume ring

[48:02] They do a couple jokes about how it's really snug around his dick, which I don't love

[48:06] This is a movie about the flash. They use the word shit so many times in it and they yeah

[48:11] I feel like this is a dick a few times. They say dick and I was like, this is a movie

[48:15] It's a pg-13 movie

[48:16] I guess that's that's that's the super audience for like I know people are taking their kids to see

[48:20] DC movies and I do not like the idea that the movie is just like yeah, but we're for adults

[48:24] So we'll just say shit a lot

[48:26] When it just it feels I don't need my superhero like to say just have swear words

[48:30] And I'm basically at this point Barry is a teenager, right?

[48:33] And so the idea of him being uncomfortable wearing a very tight outfit is that in itself is funny

[48:39] You don't have to bring dicks into it. Yes, the fact that he's like

[48:44] You know, it doesn't leave much that you know, it's like skin tight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's awkward

[48:49] He doesn't want to be seen that but also it's like

[48:52] It's the same actor

[48:54] Playing both parts. So it's like so am I supposed to believe that the flash is always walking around with his dick cramped by this

[48:59] Suit and is that what powers his speed force is the pain that comes from his crotch like yes

[49:03] It's a weird it's a weird thing to bring it or he's just gotten used to it because he made that suit, right?

[49:08] So why didn't he just make it to his own size, you know, yeah

[49:11] Did his penis get smaller when he got his powers? I guess he is super smart, right?

[49:17] Yeah, like most superheroes. He's also just like science. Yeah. Yeah

[49:22] And uh, so, uh, he's a friend. He's a forensic scientist and crime friends. It's just the same as engineering, you know

[49:28] Yeah, it's the same as uh, what?

[49:30] What uh being a seam what like I can't even think of the word i'm looking for a habit. That's a hat

[49:36] Nope, that's hats. What am I looking for? Anyway a tailor?

[49:41] I'm looking for a barrel, right?

[49:44] We can move on

[49:45] Right. Yeah a milliner a fletcher. Uh, jessica fletcher

[49:51] But in I I do but I do but you're supposed to buy jessica fletcher textiles. That's what I was looking for

[49:56] A textiles. Oh, I see. Well, maybe he went

[50:00] and or causes crimes like Jessica Fletcher.

[50:02] Yeah, maybe you went to FIT, the Flash Institute of Textiles.

[50:05] White accent.

[50:10] So they have that we learned that the main the first main

[50:14] clue that this is an alternate universe and not just the past

[50:17] is that past young Barry's is insistent that Eric Stoltz start

[50:21] in Back to the Future and eventually this will lead to a

[50:24] conversation between Barry and his younger selves roommates

[50:28] who are his co-workers in his own timeline.

[50:30] But now they're kind of their burnout roommates over which

[50:33] actors were in which movies from the 80s and that's a neat

[50:37] little Easter egg for the real movie nerds out there, right?

[50:40] Because Eric Stoltz did film a bunch of scenes.

[50:42] Yeah, that was replaced guys.

[50:44] Tell me if I'm being too of a high too much of a highbrow

[50:48] stick up my butt.

[50:50] I'm going to say probably probably finish your story.

[50:53] I mean part of it was also I was like Avengers Endgame.

[50:55] They also talk about Back to the Future.

[50:57] So like this is yet another instance where a movie is just

[50:59] like where the Flash is just going over old material basically

[51:03] old territory.

[51:03] They don't talk about Eric Stoltz, but they talk about like

[51:05] the Back to the Future rules of time travel and stuff.

[51:07] Sure, but what's your what my main objection is it a show of

[51:11] how kind of not ignorant exactly how little the modern cultural

[51:17] frame of reference has room for that the way that they can show

[51:21] that this is a different world is just kind of who starred in

[51:23] Footloose and who started Back to the Future as opposed to

[51:26] something else in all of human history or culture or whatever,

[51:29] you know, I feel like if I was made in the 80s you would have

[51:32] seen that like Dewey would have defeated Truman for real in

[51:36] the 48 election or something like that like a famous historical

[51:38] moment would have been different as opposed to who starred in

[51:41] Back to the Future.

[51:41] I would argue that what is going on here Hindenburg doesn't

[51:45] explode exactly.

[51:47] Yeah, or like a newspaper headline that says like man fails

[51:50] to land on moon, you know, this makes perfect sense to me in

[51:54] the sense that like I think that the the footprint of Back to

[51:59] Future is so big like, you know, I think it is still kind of

[52:05] the iconic time travel story for most people more so even than

[52:09] like HG Wells the time machine or anything that has gone after

[52:13] Back to the Future and so and and that is like everyone's idea

[52:19] of the way time travel would work and so they're just making

[52:23] reference to Back to the Future and then they're like, oh what

[52:26] cute thing we can can we do off of that, you know, like I think

[52:29] you have to address the Back to the Future thing if you're like

[52:33] how does time travel work here like that's not the thing where

[52:35] they're talking about how time travel works is the thing they're

[52:38] just talking about I guess maybe a little I think that's why it

[52:40] gets brought up.

[52:41] Oh, that is why I guess what I don't know.

[52:42] I feel like I don't know that Back to the Future is such a huge

[52:46] cultural reference point for people younger than us that it

[52:49] needs to be addressed in time travel movie the same way that

[52:52] most of the movies like that are that that copy Groundhog Day.

[52:55] They don't say oh yeah, I'm in a Groundhog Day situation, you

[52:58] know, they just ignore it.

[52:59] No, I know.

[52:59] I don't think it's necessary.

[53:01] I just think that they're addressing it for that reason and

[53:04] then they're like we'll kill two birds with one stone here.

[53:07] We'll do a little cute like a joke out of it.

[53:09] Remember I can see that I just I worry that is a symptom of the

[53:13] lack of larger frame of reference for either the people making

[53:17] the movie or what they think the audience understands that like

[53:20] if you're making a movie, the only thing you can make it reference

[53:22] to is another movie as opposed to something from real life.

[53:25] It's the thing that people used to say ironically about like the

[53:28] 60s 70s new Hollywood generation is they'd be like these people

[53:31] don't know life.

[53:32] They just know movies.

[53:33] They're just making movies that play off of earlier movies and

[53:35] I feel like that wasn't quite the case there but I kind of feel

[53:38] like it might be are you are you talking about like dumbing down

[53:41] or like monoculture a little bit of both to be honest.

[53:44] I I both can see your point and I think the stick is at least

[53:48] halfway up your butt.

[53:49] Let's get up there farther.

[53:51] Okay, so here's the problem General Zod appears on TV looking

[53:56] for Superman.

[53:57] Why is that a problem?

[53:58] That's a paycheck for old Mikey Shannon.

[54:00] It's true.

[54:02] Good point.

[54:03] G subway platform buddy Michael Shannon.

[54:06] That's why I give it away for a different G.

[54:08] Until I someday learn about Michael Shannon's bad behavior,

[54:12] which every actor in the world seems to have.

[54:14] I'm never unhappy with Michael Shannon showing up.

[54:16] The problem is that there's no Superman in this world.

[54:19] No one's ever heard of him.

[54:20] He doesn't exist and OG Barry is like a look.

[54:24] I try.

[54:25] I remember Zod day.

[54:26] I tried to save some people.

[54:27] I only save this one kid.

[54:29] So I managed to save a kid while his dad died right in front of

[54:31] him.

[54:32] We got to get the Justice League together so we can save everybody

[54:34] and that's when they talk about that.

[54:37] What's up when they go to pass various roommates and they talk

[54:39] about which actors start in Footloose and stuff like that.

[54:41] So they're showing a lot of the really showing a lot of pressure,

[54:47] you know,

[54:47] a lot of urgency in getting the Justice League together and they

[54:51] they're trying to research trying to find all the other superheroes

[54:53] and there is a moment where you're like he's created a world with

[54:56] no superheroes.

[54:58] That would be kind of neat right?

[55:00] No more superhero movie.

[55:01] Yeah,

[55:05] that would be kind of neat but at this point in the movie to

[55:08] your you are confused.

[55:09] Like wait,

[55:10] how did doing that affect so much stuff?

[55:13] Don't worry.

[55:14] Don't worry.

[55:15] There's going to be an explanation.

[55:17] Yeah, so they go to but it wasn't that there were nose.

[55:21] It's he finds that like the thing that turns Cyborg into Cyborg

[55:23] that accident didn't happen and stuff like Wonder Woman's never

[55:26] shown up and where do they go first?

[55:28] They've got to go to Wayne Manor the spooky overgrown Wayne

[55:31] Manor.

[55:32] I guess young Barry ran there while carrying old Barry because

[55:36] they live in different cities,

[55:37] but I don't know how they got there.

[55:38] Speaking of paychecks tomorrow Morrison shows up and we find

[55:42] out that he never got to hook up with Nicole Kidman.

[55:44] What a bummer right?

[55:45] Oh, that's right.

[55:46] That's right.

[55:46] They call Aquaman's parents only to find that in this universe

[55:51] Aquaman's dad did not marry.

[55:53] What's her name?

[55:54] Mer Nicole?

[55:55] What's her character's name?

[55:57] I don't know Queen Queen fishy.

[56:01] We fishy they go to Wayne Manor.

[56:05] We learned that the song 25 or 6 to 4 by Chicago does exist in

[56:09] this universe because it's playing loudly on a record player.

[56:11] I love that song.

[56:12] That's fine.

[56:13] I am okay with the universe where that exists, but we do learn

[56:16] a little bit later on that in this universe.

[56:18] The chain restaurant is called banana bees, which I thought

[56:20] was a pretty funny stupid throwaway joke pretty funny.

[56:24] Yeah, so they get attacked.

[56:26] They walk around Wayne Manor.

[56:27] They get attacked by a shaggy shut in.

[56:29] It's Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne who explains that he was

[56:33] trademark moves and flips, right?

[56:35] Yeah, exactly Batman movies.

[56:37] Yeah, he explains that he was Batman, but he retired because

[56:40] crime stopped.

[56:41] So I guess in this universe it worked like he did it.

[56:45] Yeah, and but then he's making spaghetti and he explains using

[56:49] the spaghetti strands that when you've changed the past you

[56:52] change the past behind that past as well.

[56:54] It's not that you create a branching universe from that moment

[56:57] is that you create a whole new timeline that is different all

[57:00] the way up and down.

[57:01] Well, and this is interesting because it kind of head-on, you

[57:05] know approaches the idea of like look time is an illusion time,

[57:09] you know, we bring time.

[57:10] So thank you.

[57:12] Thank you.

[57:14] We approach time literally but like it's that's our perception.

[57:19] And so when you change it like there's a Nexus point and it

[57:24] like shoots in both ways.

[57:25] And then if you do it too much everything gets all jumbled

[57:27] up like for a for a comic book movie, I'll buy this.

[57:31] Sure.

[57:31] I mean, it's comic book science.

[57:33] There's nothing in reality that would ever point to this

[57:35] happening.

[57:35] I feel like they they didn't spend too much time explaining

[57:38] it, which is great because I've seen so many of these goddamn

[57:40] movies now that I don't need someone else to explain to me

[57:42] how multiverses work.

[57:44] That was that's the it's that great.

[57:46] They did it.

[57:46] It was funny that he plops a bunch of spaghetti down on a

[57:48] plate, you know, that's funny stuff Batman's like I'm not

[57:51] going to help you.

[57:51] I'm retired as Batman.

[57:52] I just listen to Chicago all day and make pasta for myself.

[57:55] The Barry's they sneak into the Batcave really easily so that

[57:59] og Barry can use the computer that Batman has his Batcave.

[58:02] I guess he doesn't expect anyone to sneak in there.

[58:04] There's no password protection or well, I mean it's implied

[58:06] later on that like she knows that this is happening.

[58:09] Yes, but he's just like whatever they try to use the computer

[58:13] to find Clark Kent the Clark Kent.

[58:15] They're looking for is not around.

[58:17] Meanwhile, young Barry just kind of dicks around we get so

[58:19] many shots of the Batcave so much shot of so many shots of

[58:22] Batman stuff with just this sense of like suffused with

[58:26] all this overwhelming all can you believe it that we're in

[58:28] the 1989 Batman Batcave?

[58:31] Do you guys think that audiences gave a shit about this?

[58:35] Well, I think younger people I don't think do I don't think

[58:39] younger people know but there was like there was a lot of

[58:43] internet excitement among aging nerds about this possible.

[58:48] I do feel like Michael Keaton is Michael Keaton is Batman.

[58:51] I don't know about the care about the Batcave didn't feel

[58:55] the same but that's because it isn't you know shot by Tim

[58:59] Burton and mainly a bunch of paint painting.

[59:03] Yeah, there weren't cobwebs in the old days.

[59:05] It's just the I feel like it like we said before Spider-Man

[59:10] No Way Home really ate this movie's lunch to a great degree

[59:13] because once you've seen three Spider-Man, it's hard to get

[59:17] that excited over one one old Batman.

[59:20] How are you going to keep?

[59:22] How do you get it?

[59:23] No, we may get another but how you going to keep them on the

[59:26] Batman farm when they've seen the lights of gay three Spider-Man

[59:29] gay Perry.

[59:31] I'm talking about so they have an argument gay Spidey.

[59:35] I think is gay Spidey.

[59:36] That's they have an argument because young Barry doesn't

[59:40] respect their mom enough but OG Barry.

[59:42] He still won't explain why he came back to young Barry.

[59:44] They find out that Superman seems to be the prisoner of a

[59:48] Siberian Fortress.

[59:49] I don't know how they what system they hacked into find out

[59:52] that a Kryptonian is being held by a secret Russian military

[59:55] facility or something.

[1:00:00] Hashtag Kryptonian, and there was somebody who's like, I'm Russian soldier, I'm guarding

[1:00:05] this guy.

[1:00:06] Can you believe this?

[1:00:07] Okay, lip sync, you know, and then they lip sync to something, you know.

[1:00:09] I also want to say, like, take a moment to make this, this stuff about him not telling

[1:00:14] young Barry what happened to it in his timeline seems super dumb to me, super contrived.

[1:00:21] Because like, look, maybe it's a failure of empathy on my part, but like, I don't think

[1:00:27] like young Barry who has his mom is going to be so traumatized by the idea that this

[1:00:33] Barry lost his mom.

[1:00:35] He'll feel sad for this Barry, like, but he's not going to like, why is he keeping it away?

[1:00:42] I think he's having trouble saying it because it's difficult for him.

[1:00:45] But I agree also that it feels dumb because he has already gone back in time, given this

[1:00:48] Barry superpowers that otherwise he would not have gotten.

[1:00:52] What is he worried about wrecking by giving this information?

[1:00:56] That young Barry will be like, oh, so to fix everything, I have to kill mom and then go

[1:00:59] home and snap her neck with his superpowers?

[1:01:01] Like, that's not going to happen.

[1:01:03] It's not like in Back to the Future where he's like, I can't tell Doc Brown that he's

[1:01:06] going to die in the future.

[1:01:07] Like, this is a thing that happened in the past and didn't happen.

[1:01:10] I can't tell my mom that I'm really her son or else she won't sleep with me.

[1:01:13] It's not that kind of paradox.

[1:01:14] Exactly.

[1:01:15] How am I going to achieve every man's dream of sleeping with my mom if I tell her I'm

[1:01:19] her son from the future?

[1:01:21] Anyway, don't trust me.

[1:01:23] Don't trust surveys of porn search terms.

[1:01:28] So anyway, Batman shows up.

[1:01:30] He shaved his beard.

[1:01:31] He suited up.

[1:01:32] He goes, OK, I'll help you with this.

[1:01:34] They fly over to Russia in the Batwing.

[1:01:36] They sneak into this fortress.

[1:01:37] Young Barry makes a ton of noise.

[1:01:38] Fight, fight, fight.

[1:01:40] They're fighting.

[1:01:41] They find in this vault.

[1:01:42] It's not Superman.

[1:01:43] How do you feel about the fights?

[1:01:45] You like the fights?

[1:01:47] To be honest, I kind of glazed over during them.

[1:01:49] Not a lot of choreography on these things, right?

[1:01:52] There's a little.

[1:01:53] Well, here's the thing.

[1:01:54] I was watching Batman fighting and I was like, I wish he fought differently than the Ben

[1:01:57] Affleck Batman.

[1:01:58] I wish that he moved in his own kind of like 80s Batman way.

[1:02:02] He does the same kind of like flips and kung fu moves that any superhero does now.

[1:02:06] But I wish he was fighting the way that that he did in the 80s Batman movies, which were

[1:02:10] much less much less.

[1:02:11] Yes, definitely.

[1:02:12] Because the suit didn't move.

[1:02:14] Yeah.

[1:02:15] But that still would have been cool.

[1:02:17] Yeah.

[1:02:18] Yes.

[1:02:19] So it would be cool.

[1:02:20] It would have been a visual difference to be like, oh, this is a different Batman.

[1:02:21] Yeah.

[1:02:22] And the fights are kind of generic.

[1:02:23] And as we said earlier, they don't just look video gamey because it's computer graphics.

[1:02:26] It looks video gamey because it's shot like it looks like a video game, like the angles

[1:02:30] look like video game angles.

[1:02:31] And you never kind of feel like you are in the fight.

[1:02:34] You always look like you're kind of standing slightly apart from it, watching it so that

[1:02:37] you have enough room to move your character around, you know, to fight the other characters.

[1:02:42] Over the weekend, I went and saw the Marvels, which, you know, I'm you know, I guess I feel

[1:02:47] like I'm a little.

[1:02:48] You know, I grade those Marvel movies kind of on a curve and I generally am pretty easy

[1:02:52] on them.

[1:02:53] But I feel like the fight sequences in that movie were better and felt real, even with

[1:03:01] like superpower elements of the characters switching like physical spaces, like it still

[1:03:06] felt choreographed.

[1:03:07] It still felt actual.

[1:03:08] Yeah.

[1:03:09] I mean, like that specific one, I enjoyed it, but like I found it very hard to sort

[1:03:15] of like I gave up on it because I'm like, there's no there's no percentage in me worrying

[1:03:19] about this, but like hard to understand when characters were going to switch places based

[1:03:25] on their powers and when they weren't like Dan was like, there's three women on the screen.

[1:03:29] No, thanks again.

[1:03:30] That was not with trying to paint.

[1:03:32] It goes well.

[1:03:33] Hopefully I won't get that.

[1:03:35] Hopefully I won't get that in the next movie in this surprise movie marathon.

[1:03:38] What are we doing?

[1:03:39] My three women by Robert Altman on my letterbox.

[1:03:42] Anyone can see that.

[1:03:43] At least after three women, I won't have to do another movie like that.

[1:03:47] Nine to five.

[1:03:48] Oh, no.

[1:03:49] Yeah, that's me.

[1:03:50] Yeah.

[1:03:51] Charlie's Angels.

[1:03:52] OK, at least they're not going full throttle.

[1:03:56] OK, what's the next movie they're in?

[1:03:57] Oh, that was fine as long as they're at half throttle as long as it's half throttle.

[1:04:03] Look, Charlie.

[1:04:04] The Sir.

[1:04:05] Mr. President, we have an issue.

[1:04:08] Charlie's Angels are dangerously close to going full throttle.

[1:04:11] The atomic scientists have changed the clock to show it.

[1:04:15] Oh, they might enter the speed force, which is, as you know, only the flash is domain.

[1:04:19] And if that happens, all of America must stand up and cheer.

[1:04:25] Our infrastructure can't take that much standing.

[1:04:27] I always feared this moment would come.

[1:04:29] My predecessor warned me that I might have to deal with this situation, but I always

[1:04:33] prayed it wouldn't happen.

[1:04:35] Apparently, my prayers weren't enough.

[1:04:38] Take out Charlie's Angels.

[1:04:39] They drop a nuclear bomb on whatever whatever city the Charlie's Angels are in.

[1:04:45] And that, of course, leads us to that leads us to the next movie, She and Charlie's Angels,

[1:04:49] where they come back and are powerful.

[1:04:51] So they they there's a they find they find not Superman, but a young woman who's nearly

[1:04:57] comatose and a Superman type costume.

[1:04:59] And they take that with them.

[1:05:01] They escape flash.

[1:05:02] She's all like shrunken up like old raisin, right?

[1:05:04] Yeah.

[1:05:05] Well, she's being they haven't.

[1:05:06] She doesn't look like when he's sick or anything.

[1:05:08] No, no.

[1:05:09] But they have her in a chamber where she's being bombarded constantly with red light,

[1:05:13] which as we know, it's the Earth's yellow sun that gives Superman his powers.

[1:05:17] The light from Krypton's red sun would depower them.

[1:05:20] I don't know that that much of it would make her that weak, but I assume they haven't been

[1:05:24] feeding her also.

[1:05:25] So they've really been treating her poorly.

[1:05:27] They've escaped flat.

[1:05:28] Young Barry gets shot in the leg, a wound that seems to heal pretty quickly and pretty

[1:05:33] quick as they get outside.

[1:05:35] They're surrounded by Russian soldiers.

[1:05:36] When the woman wakes up and super fights her way through.

[1:05:39] This is one of the two most video gamey fights.

[1:05:42] They escape.

[1:05:43] They go back to Wayne Manor.

[1:05:44] She reveals that she is Kara, Kal-El's cousin, who is supposed to be his protector.

[1:05:49] But Kal-El never made it to Earth.

[1:05:51] And when she landed on Earth, she was captured by the Ruskies.

[1:05:54] Now, I want to say something.

[1:05:56] I I was kind of annoyed at this movie's.

[1:06:01] I spoiler alert.

[1:06:04] Supergirl in the big Zod fight.

[1:06:08] I like how it's a spoiler alert for something we're going to talk about 10 minutes from

[1:06:11] now.

[1:06:12] Yeah, it's fine.

[1:06:13] I know.

[1:06:14] I know.

[1:06:15] I'm acknowledging that I'm jumping ahead.

[1:06:16] You're spoiling my pleasure at revealing the story.

[1:06:18] She will get killed by Zod over and over, and this will be something that can't be undone.

[1:06:24] Yes.

[1:06:25] And I like when I'm playing a Tomb Raider game and I keep accidentally getting Lara

[1:06:28] Cockcroft killed.

[1:06:29] And I have to watch her get killed and make horrible sounds for like 20 minutes in a row.

[1:06:34] They don't give her a lot to work with.

[1:06:36] But I found this like in incarnation of Kara, like charismatic, charming, like I, I, I liked

[1:06:43] the vibe she was bringing to the world.

[1:06:45] I found her charismatic and charming, but I like this kind of like tough.

[1:06:48] No nonsense.

[1:06:49] Yes.

[1:06:50] I mean, I mean, I don't want to spend time with her, but I liked her as a different a

[1:06:54] different flavor or color to this.

[1:06:56] Exactly.

[1:06:57] I mean, that's more accurate.

[1:06:58] I took to like this.

[1:06:59] She wasn't quipping the whole time or nothing.

[1:07:00] Yes.

[1:07:01] I thought she was likable and cool.

[1:07:03] And I was like, I was annoyed that the movie was like, well, we're going to immediately

[1:07:08] kill her off.

[1:07:09] Dan, you say that, but let me remind you, she is a woman and they already have Wonder

[1:07:14] Woman.

[1:07:15] Oh, that's true.

[1:07:16] There can be only one.

[1:07:17] There can only be one.

[1:07:18] And that's what society tells women is that they can only be one of them at a time.

[1:07:21] That's why Highlander was originally called Highlander-ess.

[1:07:24] Oh, that makes sense.

[1:07:26] Yeah.

[1:07:27] But the makeup to get Christopher Lambert to look like a woman realistically was just

[1:07:31] too time consuming, too expensive.

[1:07:33] And so there's other female heroes in the in the DC Universe.

[1:07:37] There's Zaytana.

[1:07:39] There's Power Girl.

[1:07:41] There's Hot Girl.

[1:07:42] I know Power Girl.

[1:07:43] Yeah, you know Power Girl?

[1:07:44] I know Power Girl.

[1:07:45] Noted bus lover Stuart Wellington, of course, knows Power Girl.

[1:07:49] The superhero character who for years has had a boob window on her costume.

[1:07:54] They've dialed it back.

[1:07:55] But for a long time, her main thing was she's as strong as Superman and she has big boobs.

[1:08:00] And those were her two defining characteristics as a superhero.

[1:08:02] Now, is this apocryphal or is it true that like Wally Wood said that he just kept making

[1:08:08] her boobs bigger to see if anyone would notice?

[1:08:10] I don't know if it's necessarily true or not, that he was just testing to see how far.

[1:08:13] Because in my mind, it wasn't really until much later that the character became known

[1:08:17] for having a very particularly large chest.

[1:08:21] Even among the large chested super heroines in the comics.

[1:08:22] It's when Roger Ebert started writing it, right?

[1:08:25] Yeah, when Russ Meyer did Beyond the Valley of Power Girl and Roger Ebert was the screenwriter.

[1:08:30] Yeah.

[1:08:31] But yeah, there's lots of there's lots of other female DC characters.

[1:08:34] You go after.

[1:08:35] You know, there's Terra.

[1:08:36] I mean, she turns out to be a spy.

[1:08:38] Spoiler alert for a 40 year old comic book.

[1:08:40] But you know, there's lots of them.

[1:08:42] But anyway, there's Huntress.

[1:08:44] There's Batgirl.

[1:08:46] There's Batwoman.

[1:08:47] Of course.

[1:08:48] Canary.

[1:08:49] Is Canary a thing?

[1:08:50] Canary?

[1:08:51] Yeah, sure.

[1:08:52] There's the whole Birds of Prey group, you know?

[1:08:54] Oh, yeah.

[1:08:55] So, of course, there's of course, Batwoman is at this point, her main superpower is being

[1:09:01] a tax write off for Warner Brothers.

[1:09:03] Oh, yeah.

[1:09:04] That's her main ability.

[1:09:05] So she's Kara is like, they're like, help us save the earth.

[1:09:10] And she's like, I don't care about the earth.

[1:09:13] Like I'm from Krypton.

[1:09:14] I don't care about this.

[1:09:15] She powers up.

[1:09:16] Plus I got locked up for years.

[1:09:17] Plus I showed up and humans locked me up and made me a prisoner and treated me badly.

[1:09:21] Why should I?

[1:09:22] Why should I help you?

[1:09:23] See ya.

[1:09:24] And she's powered up by the sun.

[1:09:25] She flies away.

[1:09:26] Uh oh.

[1:09:27] Then she sees General Zod just casually killing people.

[1:09:29] And she comes back and is like, and she's horrified by what she sees.

[1:09:33] Meanwhile, while she's being horrified by that, OG Barry is like, I need my powers.

[1:09:38] We're going to have to recreate the explosion, pour chemicals on me and then hit me with

[1:09:42] lightning over and over again.

[1:09:43] And Batman is like, I think it's crazy, but I'll do it.

[1:09:47] I like to hurt people.

[1:09:48] That's my secret.

[1:09:49] I like to give people pain.

[1:09:51] I haven't been a Dr. Frankenstein yet.

[1:09:53] Time to do it.

[1:09:54] Yeah.

[1:09:55] There's, I wonder if there's gotta be some, some Elseworlds comic where Batman is also

[1:09:59] Dr. Frankenstein.

[1:10:00] like where Frankenstein makes a bat monster or something that fights crime or there's

[1:10:04] got to be.

[1:10:05] If there isn't, D.C., hire me.

[1:10:08] You're slipping, boys.

[1:10:09] Hire me to write it.

[1:10:10] Come on, do it.

[1:10:11] So they keep hitting Barry with lightning over and over again, and it's not working

[1:10:17] until Kara returns and says, I'll help you.

[1:10:20] And I don't know how she knows what they're doing, because they talked about it after

[1:10:23] she left, but she flies him into a lightning storm and he gets it.

[1:10:26] She was probably just trying to get him roasted, and then it turns out it worked.

[1:10:29] She's like, oh, you're trying to kill him with lightning?

[1:10:31] I'll help you.

[1:10:32] You're doing it really slowly.

[1:10:33] I'll help you with that.

[1:10:34] I'll help you do it faster.

[1:10:35] I'll take him right to the source.

[1:10:36] Barry has his powers back.

[1:10:37] He puts on his costume.

[1:10:39] Young Barry makes his own costume out of a Batman costume, which I thought was a funny

[1:10:42] touch, that he's retrofitting a Batman costume into a Flash costume, and it doesn't quite

[1:10:47] fit him quite right.

[1:10:49] All four heroes, they go to the site of the battle between Zod and the American military.

[1:10:53] They dive into it.

[1:10:54] Kara goes after Zod, and she gets especially mad when Zod is like, by the way, when we

[1:10:58] tried to extract Kal-El's baby DNA from his blood, it killed him.

[1:11:03] Oops.

[1:11:04] Oops.

[1:11:05] That's on my part.

[1:11:06] Oops that I killed a baby.

[1:11:07] And Kara gets really mad.

[1:11:08] Chuck him up in the whoopsie column.

[1:11:09] Yeah.

[1:11:10] They fight.

[1:11:11] Meanwhile, old Flash is teaching young Flash how to use his powers to fight.

[1:11:15] Batman's just flying around the Batwing shooting things.

[1:11:17] Unfortunately, his plane gets hit.

[1:11:19] He kamikazes right into some big spaceship.

[1:11:21] Zod stabs Kara and harvests her DNA.

[1:11:24] All seems lost.

[1:11:25] The two most powerful heroes, Kara, who has Superman powers, and Batman, who is, as he

[1:11:30] said, a billionaire, they're, you know, they're gone.

[1:11:33] World's greatest detective, dude.

[1:11:34] What kind of detective skills do you need to fly a plane around shooting people?

[1:11:38] Like, I don't understand.

[1:11:39] Oh, the clues tell me that the bad guys are over there.

[1:11:41] I feel like there could be a spinoff show where Maverick, instead of flying planes,

[1:11:46] is a detective.

[1:11:47] Is a detective.

[1:11:48] It's called Top Gun P.I.

[1:11:49] Flying Detective.

[1:11:50] Yes.

[1:11:51] Yeah.

[1:11:52] He only solves plane-related mysteries.

[1:11:54] He's like flying over the crime scene in his plane.

[1:11:58] I can't really see much from up here.

[1:12:00] From up here, I see that there's a scrap of red fabric on the ground that looks like the

[1:12:05] same as the robe that the Baron was wearing.

[1:12:09] Once again, your eagle eyes have made it possible.

[1:12:12] The irrigation patterns are going downwards.

[1:12:17] Does that help?

[1:12:18] Yes.

[1:12:19] He's been stealing the water in order to enrich himself.

[1:12:21] Thanks.

[1:12:22] Thanks, Maverick P.I.

[1:12:24] I like the idea of Batman being like, it's going to take all of my mystery-solving skills

[1:12:28] to figure out which of these are aliens that I can shoot.

[1:12:33] Kill with impunity.

[1:12:35] Because as we've established, this Batman kills people, shoots them, blows things up.

[1:12:38] Anyway, Young Barry is like, we've got to save them.

[1:12:41] He runs into the past to save Kara and Bats, but each time he tries to fix it, they still

[1:12:46] die.

[1:12:47] As Dan mentioned, Supergirl, or Superwoman, however she likes to be called, is doomed

[1:12:51] to an infinity of deaths to eternally be murdered by Zod.

[1:12:56] They both go into the time-speed arena, and OG Barry is like, Young Barry, you can't fix

[1:13:01] the past.

[1:13:02] I tried it.

[1:13:03] It doesn't work.

[1:13:04] And look at the damage we're doing to reality because things are deteriorating around them.

[1:13:08] And he goes, hey.

[1:13:09] And Young Barry has managed to accidentally phase a chunk of Kryptonian metal into his

[1:13:14] arm, so he has a badass blade weapon that he starts murdering fools with.

[1:13:18] More specifically, I mean, you can change the past, obviously Barry did it, but there

[1:13:23] are certain fixed points that always happen, apparently.

[1:13:26] Much like in the second Spider-Verse movie, there are certain continuity points that always

[1:13:31] have to be.

[1:13:32] It's almost like I've seen all of this stuff before a Flash movie.

[1:13:38] Now I do kind of like the idea that Young Barry, having not had to deal with the trauma

[1:13:45] of losing his parents at an early age, he isn't emotionally equipped to deal with a

[1:13:50] problem he can't solve.

[1:13:53] I think that's at least kind of interesting.

[1:13:55] Or with death.

[1:13:56] He's never seen someone that he cares about die, and he's known Batman and Kara for almost

[1:14:01] half a day.

[1:14:02] Almost forever.

[1:14:03] Yeah, so it's much like in Star Wars, when Luke is like, Obi-Wan, no, and it's like,

[1:14:06] I understand it's tough, but you've known him for a day.

[1:14:09] Like you haven't known him that long, you know.

[1:14:10] Obi-Wan was my teacher for a couple hours.

[1:14:13] Yeah, he saw his uncle and aunt like super roasted, right?

[1:14:16] Like, it's fucked up.

[1:14:17] And his aunt!

[1:14:18] His uncle and aunt who raised him, he's like, ugh, that's rough that you're burnt skeletons

[1:14:22] now.

[1:14:23] But this dude that he's known for an afternoon, he's like, no, no!

[1:14:26] He is the one, like, exciting guy he ever knew.

[1:14:29] That's actually true.

[1:14:30] That's true.

[1:14:31] He's like on a desert planet.

[1:14:32] That's a good point.

[1:14:33] Finally, something awesome's happening.

[1:14:34] No!

[1:14:35] Yeah, there's probably a part of him who's like, yeah, he's like, fuck, I gotta go back

[1:14:38] to tattooing.

[1:14:39] Yeah.

[1:14:40] That's the place where they shoot all the shows.

[1:14:44] Power converters now, I guess.

[1:14:45] Yeah, I guess I just gotta get a job at Tosche Station working at whatever fast food restaurant

[1:14:50] they've got there.

[1:14:51] I guess I'll smell like Bantham meat every day because I'm working around all the time.

[1:14:57] No wonder my only enjoyment is shooting womp rats.

[1:14:59] I've got nothing else in my life, you know, I just want to hurt other things the way I

[1:15:02] feel life has hurt me.

[1:15:03] My name's Luke Skywalker.

[1:15:04] Sad.

[1:15:05] I mean, essentially, Batman at that point, Batman's just like, I don't even hate crime

[1:15:13] that much.

[1:15:14] I just want to hurt other people the way I feel I've been hurt.

[1:15:16] And they're like, Bruce, a lot of other people have gone through things like this without

[1:15:19] having to punch a clown every couple of weeks.

[1:15:22] I guess that's accurate.

[1:15:26] Yeah, yeah.

[1:15:29] Someone online pointed out that Batman has all the powers of a bat, like grappling hooks

[1:15:34] and being a detective.

[1:15:36] And I was like, yeah, but he also fights the noted natural enemies of bats, clowns, riddles,

[1:15:42] penguins, all the things that bats hate.

[1:15:46] Double faces.

[1:15:47] All bats hate that stuff.

[1:15:49] Anyway, Batman, he shouldn't work, but he does.

[1:15:51] He's America's most favorite superhero, shouldn't work.

[1:15:54] After Spider-Man, of course.

[1:15:55] Spider-Man is at this point is America's favorite superhero again, right?

[1:15:59] Yeah, I think so.

[1:16:00] Yeah.

[1:16:01] I feel like Batman was it for a while.

[1:16:02] But OK.

[1:16:03] Young Barry, he's getting covered with with Kryptonian debris turning into he looks like

[1:16:07] a 90s image character, how he's got sticking out of his arms.

[1:16:11] And Barry is like, oh, Barry is like, you're doing all this damage.

[1:16:14] There's no sometimes there's no solution.

[1:16:16] Mom told me that when I couldn't do my math homework.

[1:16:19] And that's when a horribly debris covered kind of elder flash shows up.

[1:16:24] And he's like, I'm the one who punched you, Barry.

[1:16:27] I punched you into this time in the first place.

[1:16:29] So you could create the paradox that would give me my powers so that I could go back

[1:16:32] in time trying to fix things over and over again, because I'm now obsessed with doing

[1:16:37] that.

[1:16:38] And it takes O.G.

[1:16:39] Barry a pretty a fairly long time to recognize that he's talking to himself slash older version

[1:16:45] of young Barry has turned evil.

[1:16:46] I'm going to call him Evil Barry.

[1:16:48] Reality starts.

[1:16:49] You can call him Scary Barry.

[1:16:50] Scary Barry.

[1:16:51] OK.

[1:16:52] I feel like that's been taken.

[1:16:53] But sure.

[1:16:54] The brother of Mary Barry from British Bake Off.

[1:16:58] Mm hmm.

[1:16:59] Yeah.

[1:17:00] Is that is that Mary Barry?

[1:17:01] Mary Barry.

[1:17:03] Yeah.

[1:17:04] One of the original judges.

[1:17:05] Oh, I thought you meant Mary and Barry, former mayor of Washington, D.C.

[1:17:06] Mm hmm.

[1:17:07] Yeah.

[1:17:08] Mm hmm.

[1:17:09] Or Harry Carey, who is a noted.

[1:17:12] Now there was Harry Carey, the sports announcer.

[1:17:13] And there was Harry Carey and Harry Carey, Jr., the actors who are members of John Ford's

[1:17:18] company of actors.

[1:17:19] So there's a lot of Harry Carey, Larry.

[1:17:21] Yeah.

[1:17:22] There's the amazing Larry the character appears in one scene in the Big Adventure was supposed

[1:17:26] to be two scenes.

[1:17:28] There's also the amazing Randy, who, you know, the the the arch foe of of Uri Geller.

[1:17:36] Right.

[1:17:37] Is there are they arch foes?

[1:17:40] I didn't know this.

[1:17:41] I'm thinking of, you know, maybe I think of somebody else.

[1:17:43] Maybe I think of the amazing race.

[1:17:44] Yeah.

[1:17:45] Yeah.

[1:17:46] You know, the amazing race.

[1:17:47] Yeah.

[1:17:48] Oh, yeah.

[1:17:49] The amazing Randy was was Uri Geller's arch foe.

[1:17:50] OK.

[1:17:51] But yeah.

[1:17:52] We got that cleared up.

[1:17:53] The TV show.

[1:17:54] There's of course there's there's a race banning.

[1:17:55] Is that a real person's name?

[1:17:57] Yes.

[1:17:58] Race for the Galaxy.

[1:17:59] So close to the end.

[1:18:00] We can.

[1:18:01] And of course, there's wacky races, which is when Iraqi racers, racers, anyway, closing

[1:18:08] in.

[1:18:09] The important thing to remember is reality starts to collapse in because of all the time

[1:18:11] travel they've been doing.

[1:18:13] We see kind of CGI post-death recreations of previous DC movies and TV shows.

[1:18:20] Christopher Reeve Superman is there.

[1:18:22] The Supergirl from the Supergirl movie is there.

[1:18:25] Adam West Batman we see for a moment.

[1:18:27] Nicholas Cage, Superman, a character that only exists in legend because that movie never

[1:18:31] got made.

[1:18:32] Yeah.

[1:18:33] Fighting the giant spider that Kevin Smith talked about how they wanted to be in that

[1:18:37] movie that eventually ended up in Wild Wild West.

[1:18:40] And as Nicholas Cage has said since then, he did not shoot a scene where he shot a giant

[1:18:43] spider.

[1:18:44] He shot some other scene and then they used used special effects to make him fight a giant

[1:18:48] spider like super bad deep fake stuff for the Nick Cage Superman.

[1:18:54] It really doesn't look very good.

[1:18:56] Although the one thing is it sells me in the idea of Nicholas Cage as Superman, which

[1:18:59] was something that I never quite I never felt he had quite the look.

[1:19:02] But seeing him in this not great long hair flipping around, I feel like, yeah, I could

[1:19:07] see him as Superman.

[1:19:08] Yeah, for sure.

[1:19:09] Especially with the long hair, that era of Superman.

[1:19:11] But this is again, this is the idea I think I would have found really cool if I hadn't

[1:19:16] seen so much of it before.

[1:19:18] It felt like it's just DC's turn to do this.

[1:19:20] And also, if we thought it would have been really cool if they're not like, I don't know,

[1:19:24] taking dead actors.

[1:19:25] Well, that's the other thing.

[1:19:28] They're permanently commodities, Elliot.

[1:19:31] Yes, I think if we weren't already existing in a world where the studios were saying,

[1:19:35] we have the right to use anyone who has ever worked for us as likeness forever for whatever

[1:19:40] we want.

[1:19:41] This would also seem more cool if it was like you've stolen your soul by taking a picture

[1:19:45] of you.

[1:19:46] And I mean, it's I assume that they I don't know how the law is right now.

[1:19:49] I assume they would have to go to the estate of Christopher Reeve and say, can we use this?

[1:19:53] Because it's not like.

[1:19:54] Yeah.

[1:19:55] But I don't know.

[1:19:56] Maybe when he made Superman in the contract.

[1:19:57] So we own your likeness as Superman forever.

[1:20:00] You know, I don't know the law on it. I'm not a legal eagle. You know, I'm not even an eagle. I'm a human

[1:20:06] Yep

[1:20:09] Back me up on this guys. There's a rumor going around that I'm an eagle and not a human being no talons

[1:20:13] Not at all. I wish I can talons though. That'd be super cool. Yeah, I don't have wings

[1:20:18] I don't know. You wouldn't be able to hug your children the beacon talents

[1:20:21] I don't use my mouth or my feet to hug my children's I use my arms which would be wings in this case

[1:20:27] With feed them by regurgitating into their mouths. Oh, I do that already. Yeah, okay

[1:20:32] Anyway, so we see all that stuff evil Barry tries to kill og Barry

[1:20:35] But young Barry takes the hit and evil Barry disintegrates and young Barry dies. So now

[1:20:41] The flash has not just seen all these other heroes die

[1:20:45] He's seen himself his younger self die, which he shakes off pretty well, or maybe he's just pretty cool with it

[1:20:50] Maybe he's just so shocked and stunned at this point that he can't even react to it

[1:20:54] He goes back to the supermarket back in time

[1:20:57] He watches himself in the past put the tomato can in he shows up out of costume incognito

[1:21:03] looking for all the world like a

[1:21:05] Transient who has wandered in bleeding into the supermarket

[1:21:08] But his mom is so nice that she has a heart-to-heart with him and gives him a hug this stranger. Who's really weird

[1:21:13] And then when she's not looking he removes the tomato can from her cart puts it on the top shelf instead of the lower shelf

[1:21:20] Where it had originally been stocked he returns to his own time unhappy chastened

[1:21:25] He's late for his dad's trial, which is strange since he can travel through time

[1:21:29] But anyway

[1:21:29] He's late for his dad's trial where we see the defense attorney showing that the security could the newly cleaned up and restored security camera footage

[1:21:38] Clearly shows his dad's face as he looks up as the defense attorney says to me

[1:21:42] There's like a little he does like a little wink, right?

[1:21:44] To reach the tomato can

[1:21:46] Placed on the top shelf as if you are so dumb that you couldn't put two and two together

[1:21:52] You need him to mention it

[1:21:54] His dad is acquitted. We assume it's not mentioned and we never see his dad in the movie again

[1:21:58] So maybe it's maybe that judge is just like hmm

[1:22:02] Interesting point. Let's let the trial go on for a while

[1:22:05] You know now that your alibi has been confirmed outside the courthouse Iris who is covering Barry's dad's case

[1:22:11] Tells Barry to ask her out extremely unethical report. I mean do not call

[1:22:18] Don't tell the child of the person whose case you're covering to ask you out

[1:22:21] She should make is over unless she's gonna go to the publisher and be like remove me from this story

[1:22:26] I shouldn't be on it. You know, I don't know man. That's the thing. They just got chemistry, baby

[1:22:30] I think that's the other thing is they also don't have any chemistry at all. These two performers have no chemistry together

[1:22:37] Barry's like yeah, everything worked out. Maybe I didn't save my mom, but I did save my dad and

[1:22:41] I'm finally get to gonna go out with my college crush. That's what Bruce Wayne calls him is like Barry

[1:22:46] Good. I heard about your dad. Congratulations. I'm about to show up a car drives up. Mr. Wayne. Mr

[1:22:51] Wayne reporters everywhere Bruce Wayne walks out. Who is it? Dan? Which who's Bruce Wayne? It's George Clooney, baby

[1:23:02] And the flash to his credit is like who the fuck are you

[1:23:06] And and George's like jerk was like, come on Barry and it ends I guess on this cliff

[1:23:11] No, and then there's a final joke earlier

[1:23:13] Barry had lost his tooth and it glued it back in and it was yeah

[1:23:17] I've been knocked it out when he was electrocuted by like you do but no and it lasts

[1:23:22] For all the fighting that he does and now in this awkward moment his tooth falls out cut to the credits

[1:23:27] When the credits which are all over footage of a dog falling slowly through the sky from the earlier hospital scene

[1:23:34] Goofy movie. This is this kind of silly wacky movie. I mean if there's a dog in it

[1:23:39] It could technically be a goofy movie and then that's true

[1:23:42] And of course, I'd say should I talk about the post-credits scene where I mean, perhaps I guess

[1:23:49] Stewart I assume didn't see it

[1:23:51] So let me tell him about it in perhaps the least necessary post-credits scene

[1:23:55] I've ever seen in one of these movies flash is trying to explain his adventure to Aquaman who is drunk

[1:24:01] Aquaman passes out in a puddle on the street and thus dies this era of the DC Film Universe with the ultimate of whimpers

[1:24:08] Aquaman drunk in a puddle

[1:24:11] As if the movie itself is saying why should you care about this?

[1:24:15] Why should anyone care the ironic thing being of course that Aquaman is the only character from this universe who has a movie that?

[1:24:20] Is still scheduled to come out is the Aquaman sequel because they kept like messing with it and pushing it back or whatever

[1:24:26] It's weird reshooting it. They've been reshooting scenes for it for years now

[1:24:29] It's weird the degree to which that's been happening. Also considering that that was the most successful one, right Aquaman

[1:24:36] Well, that's why I think they meant that's why they're so precious about it

[1:24:39] It's because I think the first Wonder Woman was the most know Aquaman is at this point the highest-grossing DC movie

[1:24:45] Oh really over a billion dollars worldwide

[1:24:47] It's the biggest and I think that's why they're like tinkering with it because they're so if they're like, well

[1:24:52] This one certainly will make money. We got to get it. Perfect, you know, right whereas in the older days

[1:24:57] They would have just been like slap a new Aquaman movie out there. Who cares if it's good or not now

[1:25:01] They need it to be a good man. Who the fuck cares?

[1:25:03] I think they need it to be a good enough movie that when they fail to release it as a tax write-off

[1:25:08] It'll they can get as much money from that as possible. Of course, of course

[1:25:12] Yeah, yeah, but it is such a I feel like this movie is like I said, it's borderline parody

[1:25:17] this is this is the movie that is so taking the piss out of

[1:25:20] every other aspect of this universe and the ultimate way to do it is to make the coolest member of the team the one that

[1:25:26] People like the most Aquaman a drunk who passes out in a puddle where if he did not have water-breathing powers

[1:25:32] He would drown and have the flash leave him there to do that

[1:25:35] Not even not even try to get him out of the puddle

[1:25:37] It's just that it shows such a lack of respect for these characters

[1:25:41] And I don't know if I if I respect that lack of respect or not. Maybe I do cuz Dan

[1:25:45] I think it's time for final judgments, right?

[1:25:48] Yes, pardon me. I was burping when you said that final

[1:25:53] Burp mints

[1:25:54] It's a good bad movie a bad bad movie a movie you kind of liked I think I'm gonna be the outlier probably

[1:26:03] You know cementing my reputation as the softest touch in the flophouse. I

[1:26:09] Kind of like this. I am a soft soft defender of the flash

[1:26:14] I think its biggest problem as we said many time before is that it's coming just so much of this late

[1:26:21] But

[1:26:23] You know in in a different time with there wasn't such a glut

[1:26:27] You know, I think this is a pretty fun

[1:26:31] Version of what it is. I like

[1:26:33] That looks kind of fakie honestly because it feels very comic booky in the way that a lot of things don't feel as

[1:26:41] Well in the old-fashioned use of comic booky to mean cheap and silly and not realistic

[1:26:46] Well, but that's also a lot of comic books are Elliot. I'm not sure

[1:26:51] But I feel like the that when you people used to say things look comic booky. They meant it looked like

[1:26:56] Second yes, you know and I feel like that you're using it more in that vein than in to say

[1:27:02] It feels like a comic book in a positive way in that it tells us

[1:27:06] That is positive for me and that have a long life, you know

[1:27:09] But but it is positive for me to use it that way though in the sense that I

[1:27:14] Don't like the self-seriousness of a lot of this stuff

[1:27:18] I like

[1:27:20] Having something that's a little cheaper and junkier and sillier. I think that that's not

[1:27:27] as they say that's a

[1:27:30] It's a feature not a bug to to have that sometimes I like the fun of it. I'm a sucker for

[1:27:37] time travel stories I

[1:27:40] Will say that I like the sort of breezy or

[1:27:43] First half of the movie way better than sort of the boring

[1:27:48] Slugfest with Zod and all that stuff and the kind of murky

[1:27:53] Contrived way they get out of all of it. Yeah, but you know

[1:27:58] Yeah, I'm putting the emphasis on kind of but I kind of liked it. What do you guys have to say Stewart?

[1:28:02] You were more down. Yeah, I didn't like it. Um, I

[1:28:05] Mean I think part of it is just I think it just the whole thing looks so ugly like it's so unpleasant for me to look

[1:28:12] at

[1:28:12] and

[1:28:14] Yeah, I mean it just felt like every story beat was something I'd already seen

[1:28:19] and

[1:28:22] Yeah, it just was not was not for me not not a not a flash guy I

[1:28:27] find myself

[1:28:29] somewhere between

[1:28:30] Bad bad, and I I like what they're trying to do with it

[1:28:34] I like the intention of it and I wish they were able to pull it off in a way. That was better

[1:28:39] I like that. They're trying for something funnier and sillier. I like that

[1:28:43] There's lots of lots of bonkers stuff happens

[1:28:46] But I agree with Stuart that like it doesn't look it doesn't look pleasant to be in

[1:28:50] I do like the way that that kind of time zone looks where there's like lots of it's almost like they're in a carnival

[1:28:56] Attraction with like flat neon lights with neon lights and and flat backdrops that pop up

[1:29:01] but for the most part it feels like

[1:29:04] Similarly, I've seen so much this before and I feel like I would probably judge this movie a little bit kinder if it came out

[1:29:11] 10 15 years ago as opposed to now when it feels very rehashed, but I thought but I do kind of like it as

[1:29:17] This universe is ending. Let's burn it all down on the way out

[1:29:20] So the stuff that I'm out that I don't like in continuity that yeah

[1:29:23] yeah, the stuff like Batman holding the lasso of truth and basically coming to terms with what a waste he is and how he's

[1:29:30] Like I like that if they if the filmmakers are like this universe is dying

[1:29:35] so let's have some fun with it like let's the same way that um

[1:29:38] the the old Alan Moore story the Superman of whatever happened to the man of tomorrow where they were like

[1:29:44] Crisis and infinitus is about to undo all of this. So let's have mr

[1:29:48] Middle click mix it pit like start killing people, you know, like let's go crazy with this

[1:29:53] Let's like let's do bonkers things

[1:29:54] and so I kind of like it that way but it doesn't fully work for the tone is kind of all over the place and

[1:30:00] It doesn't look good and I don't I'm just I'm tired of seeing superheroes that are either

[1:30:05] super bad asses or super fuck ups and I'd like to see a superhero that has

[1:30:10] a not they don't have to be realistic necessarily but has a human level of

[1:30:15] confidence or mess up bitness you know and not is not a wacky cartoon character. I feel like this is

[1:30:20] this ironically this movie would have worked better for me as a cartoon than as a live action movie.

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[1:39:54] the power broker will be starting soon i think it'll be the next episode of 99 invisible

[1:40:00] Well, after this episode goes up,

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[1:40:03] for this Power Broker series.

[1:40:05] So, if you don't subscribe to 99% Invisible.

[1:40:07] Do you have a name for it?

[1:40:08] What's the name of it?

[1:40:09] I think it's called the 99% Breakdown,

[1:40:12] the Power Broker or something like that.

[1:40:13] Oh, okay.

[1:40:14] I wanted to call it the Power Broker Breaker Downers.

[1:40:16] We'll see if I can convince Roman

[1:40:17] to change the title to that.

[1:40:19] It's gonna be a hard sell,

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[1:40:29] and you'll find out more about the Power Broker.

[1:40:31] Stu, I think you had something

[1:40:31] you wanted to tell us about, too.

[1:40:33] Uh-huh, My Bar Minis just got a new sweatshirt design,

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[1:41:04] Thank you.

[1:41:06] Thank you, Stuart.

[1:41:07] I was busy subscribing to 99% Invisible,

[1:41:10] which I have listened to off and on.

[1:41:12] I don't wanna insult our friend, Ruben.

[1:41:14] It's a great show.

[1:41:15] I mean, all right.

[1:41:16] I mean, the thing is, he's so successful,

[1:41:18] he knows you're missing out.

[1:41:19] It's not an insult to him.

[1:41:20] Listening to it, you're like,

[1:41:21] oh, yeah, podcasts can be cool and informative.

[1:41:24] Here's the thing.

[1:41:25] It's not like a lot dumber podcasts in general.

[1:41:28] It's not, it's no reflection on Ruben.

[1:41:30] It's a reflection on my particular intellect.

[1:41:34] But let's move on.

[1:41:36] You're like, I wish this was more about

[1:41:38] two or three knuckleheads talking about 1980s pajamas.

[1:41:41] Like pajamas with 1980s cartoon characters on them.

[1:41:45] Thank you.

[1:41:47] Let us move on to letters from listeners.

[1:41:50] Listeners like you.

[1:41:52] You wanna write in to the Flop House?

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[1:41:56] What's our website?

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[1:42:01] Write to us.

[1:42:02] We'd love to hear from you.

[1:42:04] But this first letter is from Bill Last Name Withheld,

[1:42:07] who writes, dear Peaches,

[1:42:10] many quotable lines from movies permeate our culture.

[1:42:14] Most of the time, these are the best combination

[1:42:16] of a great film, great writing, and sharp delivery.

[1:42:20] For example, inconceivable.

[1:42:23] A single word is immediately connected

[1:42:26] to Wallace Shawn's perfect character in The Princess Bride.

[1:42:30] It occurred to me the other day

[1:42:31] that some lesser films have quotable lines

[1:42:34] that clearly punch above their weight.

[1:42:36] Films that are otherwise nothing special

[1:42:38] sometimes produce a pithy phrase

[1:42:40] that is as recognizable as Vizzini's protests.

[1:42:44] What got me thinking about it was It's Not a Tumor,

[1:42:47] which, when delivered

[1:42:48] in an appropriately frustrated Austrian accent,

[1:42:52] crisply delivers the sentiment intended.

[1:42:54] I don't know what that,

[1:42:56] I guess that It's Not a Tumor.

[1:42:56] Sentiment is frustration.

[1:42:57] Frustration with the people you're dealing with,

[1:42:59] especially if they're kindergartners.

[1:43:00] Mm-hmm.

[1:43:03] Especially if it's, well, anyway.

[1:43:06] How many people actually remember

[1:43:08] or even saw the movie It's From?

[1:43:10] What's your favorite quote that outshines

[1:43:12] It's Not a Tumor? It was a hit film, Bill.

[1:43:14] Yeah, from a more or less forgettable film.

[1:43:15] Yeah, kindergarten cop I saw twice in the theater.

[1:43:17] Keep on ploppin', Bill.

[1:43:18] I almost digressed there.

[1:43:21] It's because I remember often back at The Daily Show

[1:43:24] when we were having to think of jokes.

[1:43:27] And they're like, you can give me two more.

[1:43:28] There was always a It's Not a Tumor.

[1:43:31] Yeah.

[1:43:32] That was the sponsor.

[1:43:34] We did have fun. We did have fun.

[1:43:36] We did have fun, yeah.

[1:43:37] No more, though.

[1:43:38] We're old and embittered.

[1:43:40] Yep.

[1:43:41] Let me think.

[1:43:45] Badges, we don't need no stinkin' badges.

[1:43:48] Yeah.

[1:43:48] That's a line from the movie.

[1:43:50] But that's a line from a great movie, also.

[1:43:53] Great film.

[1:43:55] Let's see, You Can Put It Anywhere.

[1:43:56] Okay, that's-

[1:43:58] What's that from?

[1:43:59] Rule of Intentions.

[1:44:01] That movie's stuck in my brain.

[1:44:03] I don't want to hear that line.

[1:44:06] Hey, one that I'm thinking of,

[1:44:08] a movie that I like but I will not put on

[1:44:12] any Mount Rushmore of movies.

[1:44:13] I think that Wolfman Has Nards is a-

[1:44:17] Oh, from Monster Squad.

[1:44:18] A line that really permeated the culture.

[1:44:23] Oh, yeah.

[1:44:23] The president was saying it.

[1:44:24] You can go anywhere without hearing it, yeah.

[1:44:26] Or Wolfman's Got Nards, I guess.

[1:44:30] This is a tough one,

[1:44:31] because I feel like every time I think of something,

[1:44:33] I'm like, no, that was a pretty popular movie.

[1:44:35] Yeah, I'm having trouble.

[1:44:37] Weirdly, the thing that's coming to mind is not a movie,

[1:44:40] but the song I Need More Allowance

[1:44:42] from the TV show Doug,

[1:44:43] which was one of the original Nick tunes,

[1:44:45] is the song that the fictional band The Beats

[1:44:47] play in one episode.

[1:44:48] And for some reason, I think about it a lot.

[1:44:49] It pops into my head a lot.

[1:44:52] Okay, yeah.

[1:44:54] We got, Elliott, I think he could be

[1:44:56] a pretty good Doug Funny

[1:44:58] if they had to do a live action Doug Funny

[1:45:00] as a 40-year-old man.

[1:45:01] I know, if they did a movie where he's grown up

[1:45:05] and gotten married and has a family, I think, thank you.

[1:45:07] Yeah, I think I could be Doug Funny.

[1:45:08] Yeah, thank you.

[1:45:11] Well, we really biffed that.

[1:45:12] This is a tough one.

[1:45:13] Do you think he married Sally Pickles or?

[1:45:16] I thought it was Patty Mayonnaise.

[1:45:18] Oh, you're right, Patty Mayonnaise.

[1:45:19] But maybe that didn't work out, though.

[1:45:21] He married this other character

[1:45:22] that I've apparently invented.

[1:45:24] Well, Pickles, that's from Rugrats, right?

[1:45:26] That's true.

[1:45:28] Oh, yeah, so maybe.

[1:45:29] He might have remarried a younger.

[1:45:32] So he married Patty Mayonnaise,

[1:45:33] and then they divorced, and he married a younger woman

[1:45:35] who was Tommy Pickles' sister, I guess.

[1:45:38] Yeah, classic LA swap.

[1:45:40] Well, those were all great quotes, guys.

[1:45:43] I think we answered that question.

[1:45:45] Let's go to the next one.

[1:45:46] This one's from Michael Lastname Withheld, who writes,

[1:45:51] hello, my darling peaches.

[1:45:53] I'm currently traveling abroad

[1:45:55] and suffering through a bout of traveler's tummy,

[1:45:56] which has triggered strange and vivid dreams.

[1:46:00] Last night, I dreamt that I went to Manderley again.

[1:46:03] No, that's not what it said.

[1:46:04] Last night, I dreamt that I was having

[1:46:06] a serious conversation with you boys

[1:46:08] about the condition of our drum kit.

[1:46:11] The secondhand drum kit, finished in sparkle red,

[1:46:14] had seen better days and was in need of some TLC.

[1:46:17] Mysteriously, the bass drum read Zero Davis

[1:46:21] in zoomy 3D lettering.

[1:46:23] That's the name of our band.

[1:46:24] We agreed that if we were going to get

[1:46:27] this rock band off the ground,

[1:46:28] we would at least need a new head on the snare

[1:46:30] and better sticks.

[1:46:32] So, if you three floppers were in a three-piece rock band.

[1:46:34] Is he asking for money?

[1:46:35] What's this?

[1:46:36] I don't know.

[1:46:37] Well, we're getting to the ask.

[1:46:39] If you three floppers were in a three-piece rock band,

[1:46:42] which instruments would you play?

[1:46:44] What style of music?

[1:46:46] Who is your front man?

[1:46:47] Yours, rockingly, and he's got the devil horns here.

[1:46:50] Oh, cool.

[1:46:51] Michael.

[1:46:54] Dan, why don't you go first?

[1:46:56] Well, it's tough, because, I mean, to my knowledge.

[1:47:00] Now, maybe I don't know.

[1:47:01] Maybe you've got things that I don't know about you guys,

[1:47:03] and this is, you know, lifelong learning.

[1:47:05] I mean, there's a few things about me you don't know.

[1:47:08] Learn new things.

[1:47:08] And I'd like to keep it that way.

[1:47:09] Well, mostly stuff I don't want to hear about.

[1:47:11] But to my knowledge, I'm the only one

[1:47:15] who plays an instrument.

[1:47:20] And I'm arguably the strongest singer.

[1:47:24] I don't want to insult anyone.

[1:47:26] But I think that Stu would be the face, obviously.

[1:47:29] Like, it's a difficult thing.

[1:47:30] Like, I feel like, performing a band,

[1:47:33] I would probably sing, but Stu should be the front man.

[1:47:36] Like, it should be somehow.

[1:47:37] I could see you being the kind of, like,

[1:47:39] awkward, kind of quiet, when he's not on stage, singer,

[1:47:44] who writes a lot of the songs.

[1:47:45] But you're not the most popular member of the band,

[1:47:47] because Stuart is probably, like, on bass, I'm guessing.

[1:47:50] Yeah, Stu would be on bass.

[1:47:51] No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:47:52] Classic, hire the hot guy to play bass.

[1:47:55] And, of course, I'm just playing synth,

[1:47:57] and I don't need anyone to pay attention to me.

[1:47:59] I don't care, as long as I've got my keyboard with me.

[1:48:01] It would be a guitar, bass, and synth band,

[1:48:04] so there's no drums.

[1:48:05] Very much so.

[1:48:06] I can do that with a synth.

[1:48:07] We don't need it.

[1:48:08] It's true, it's true.

[1:48:09] And Stu, you know, the bass is a rhythm instrument.

[1:48:11] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

[1:48:12] Yeah, we need a synth house,

[1:48:13] or are we gonna do all those John Carpenter covers

[1:48:15] that we do in our band?

[1:48:16] That's what we're, that's our genre?

[1:48:18] Okay, I'll take it.

[1:48:20] That's kind of taking away the singing part.

[1:48:22] No, no, no.

[1:48:23] We do covers that we then add a bunch of lyrics to.

[1:48:26] There's lyrics to the Big Trouble in Little China song.

[1:48:28] It goes, you do the Halloween thing.

[1:48:30] Halloween thing, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.

[1:48:34] I mean, we don't do only John Carpenter covers.

[1:48:36] We just do mostly John Carpenter covers.

[1:48:38] Yeah.

[1:48:40] Okay.

[1:48:41] Okay, so yeah, I think we covered our whole,

[1:48:44] and we're called like Zero, David or something?

[1:48:47] Zero Davis.

[1:48:48] Zero Davis, yeah.

[1:48:49] We'll go on tour, opening for ourselves

[1:48:51] for our Flophouse tour.

[1:48:53] Oh, wow.

[1:48:54] I mean, our fans would love that, I think, yeah.

[1:48:57] Wow.

[1:48:58] I actually love the idea of,

[1:49:00] we all have false mustaches on.

[1:49:02] I love that.

[1:49:03] I think that's great.

[1:49:04] We'll play a few songs

[1:49:05] and then come out with ourselves afterwards.

[1:49:08] That would be funny.

[1:49:09] I love the idea of Dan putting a false mustache

[1:49:10] on top of his actual mustache.

[1:49:12] As the actual beard, yeah.

[1:49:14] Yeah.

[1:49:16] Well, I hope we've solved everyone's problems.

[1:49:19] Of course I'm not Dan McCoy.

[1:49:20] Dan McCoy has only one, not two mustaches.

[1:49:25] They're like, Kenneth Branagh's Poirot.

[1:49:30] Double mustache, man?

[1:49:32] Okay, well, let's-

[1:49:34] That was one of the lesser Flash villains,

[1:49:36] double mustache, man.

[1:49:38] What a great, what, viral video, double mustache.

[1:49:44] Yeah, what does it mean?

[1:49:45] Two mustaches, yeah.

[1:49:47] Let us recommend movies that we saw and enjoyed.

[1:49:51] Have you seen any movies lately, Dan?

[1:49:53] A more full-threaded.

[1:49:55] Well, I saw one with you.

[1:49:56] I think I'm gonna leave that-

[1:49:57] Oh, hell yeah, we sent one to you.

[1:49:58] I assume that's what you're gonna recommend.

[1:50:00] Okay, I can recommend that. Oh, I don't have to a lot of movies, too. I was gonna recommend

[1:50:06] Because it has our patrons Satan it

[1:50:10] Nicholas Cage, I saw a dream scenario

[1:50:14] that

[1:50:15] It's a film that like I read all the reviews. I've read have been like

[1:50:20] Mostly positive but sort of like shrugging Lee positive. It seems like people are a little I

[1:50:27] Mean

[1:50:28] They're not full-throated in their

[1:50:31] endorsement of it and I and from my perspective, I think it's probably because

[1:50:36] the movie

[1:50:38] resists like an

[1:50:41] Obvious interpretation it touches on a lot of stuff about sort of like

[1:50:48] the

[1:50:49] arc of

[1:50:50] fame and sudden fame and viral fame and

[1:50:55] Most dangerously, I think people could take it as a

[1:51:00] Cancel culture like anti-cancel culture screed, but I don't think it's that it touches on it

[1:51:06] But like I think the movie does some theft things to make it clear that that's not

[1:51:10] Really where its heart is

[1:51:13] I

[1:51:15] Think that it touches on those themes only in so much as at least for me it is an exploration of

[1:51:22] Okay, let's take this absurd premise how would it play out in life and that said that does end up saying some things about

[1:51:30] Human nature

[1:51:32] But what I liked about it. It was a it was a lot more sort of

[1:51:36] Ground level than I was expecting. It is much more sort of a character study about this guy

[1:51:43] What happens to him when he has this?

[1:51:46] Fame that he is unequipped for and honestly like, you know, he's

[1:51:50] Nice enough, but sort of a schlub like has done nothing in particular to deserve it and

[1:51:57] How it helps and hurts his life and

[1:52:01] I

[1:52:03] Don't know it approaches it with a sense of like emotional realism that I wasn't necessarily expecting but made it a

[1:52:10] Lot richer for me than maybe the movie. I thought it could be so I enjoyed it dream scenario

[1:52:16] Yeah, the Dan and I went and saw salt burn the other day and I had a lot of fun with it I

[1:52:24] previously mentioned

[1:52:26] Cruel intentions and I feel like it's the movies kind of like talented. Mr. Ripley by way of

[1:52:33] cruel intentions

[1:52:35] It's kind of less of a thriller like I feel like ads are calling it a thriller and I feel like it's more of a black

[1:52:40] comedy

[1:52:41] And it's like silly and intentionally shocking and gross

[1:52:47] And the the to leave money, it's it's certainly horny which is gonna get already give you at least half a star for me

[1:52:55] The like Barry Kagan's great and oh man, what a what a hog on that guy

[1:53:00] Jacob Lord, he's good. But really

[1:53:03] Yeah, if you want to see his hug before you but the the fucking standout is a Rosamund Pike is so fucking funny

[1:53:10] She walks into this movie and just takes it over

[1:53:13] Yeah, so I enjoyed a lot. I don't I didn't really like I don't really take away much of a message out of it

[1:53:21] I don't necessarily think whatever message is trying to make I don't even know if it's trying to make a message

[1:53:26] I think it's just like trying to be a fun horny like thriller. What do you think Dan?

[1:53:31] Yeah, I think it's I I think it's touching on class stuff, but only in the most sort of

[1:53:37] Surface you

[1:53:39] Way and kind of like circusy

[1:53:42] In a way. Yes circus. I mean there's like provocations in it, but I think it's more in sort of terms of like

[1:53:49] Let me do some high-tone trash, you know, let me yeah, just have fun

[1:53:55] So which sometimes you just need to check your brain at the door right Elliot

[1:53:59] You got it and speaking of high-tone trash and checking your brain at the door

[1:54:03] I'm gonna recommend a movie that is the exact opposite of that. Sorry everybody

[1:54:08] This is a movie

[1:54:08] I think I mentioned in passing on a previous episode and that is actually a trilogy of films called the human condition

[1:54:15] That were directed by a Masaaki Kobayashi

[1:54:18] There are three movies no greater love road to eternity and a soldier's prayer that all came out between 1959 and 1961 and they are a

[1:54:26] Lengthy series it altogether. It's about nine hours or or so long

[1:54:31] Telling the story of a young man played by a Tetsuya Nakada a man named Kaji who is

[1:54:38] so devoted to his principles that they often cause him trouble in the real world and he feels like

[1:54:47] The first obstacle in this path is he feels like he cannot

[1:54:51] Honorably marry his fiance because kind of the world is falling apart. This is right before right during World War two

[1:54:57] and he finally does it and in order to

[1:55:00] Make a life for them. He has to keep kind of making moral compromises in the first movie

[1:55:06] He is an overseer at a prisoner of war camp where Chinese prisoners are forced into slave labor

[1:55:13] In the second movie he is forced into the army and in the third movie

[1:55:17] he is basically on the run as the Japanese army is being destroyed by the Soviets in Manchuria and

[1:55:23] at each

[1:55:25] Point you see him trying to live as a principled person by his specific

[1:55:31] Code-of-ethics and either finding that he cannot because the world is so corrupt around him or finding that in order to survive

[1:55:36] he has to compromise in some way because his ethics are

[1:55:40] untenable and

[1:55:41] It's a very it's a grueling series. It's really bleak, but the performances in are great

[1:55:46] There's some genuinely thrilling sections of it where you think he's gonna get caught or you think that there's they're in battle

[1:55:54] But it's just really really good

[1:55:55] So it is not a movie to watch when you're looking to have some fun or check your brain at the door

[1:56:00] But it's a really kind of a kind of beautiful rough shattering experience and that's the human condition

[1:56:07] well, three purely entertaining movies

[1:56:12] Just fun just that just like just like the flash just total fun not trying for anything else

[1:56:19] So, thank you all for listening

[1:56:23] listeners out there

[1:56:25] If you want to find more great podcasts

[1:56:28] You can go to maximum fun org and check out the other podcasts on our network

[1:56:34] Maximum fun. Thank you to Alex Smith who goes by the name Howell Dottie on the internet

[1:56:42] He is our producer and he makes us sound

[1:56:45] Good, so that's kind of key since this is just audio. We're not you can't see us

[1:56:51] You know, you can't we can't we can't do a bunch of razzle-dazzle to take it take away from the audio sound

[1:56:57] So thank us. Thankfully. Yeah

[1:57:00] And

[1:57:01] Screws touching my shoulder

[1:57:04] And I guess that's it for the flop house. I've been Dan McCoy. I've been Stuart Wellington

[1:57:10] I've been Elliot Kalin join us later today or in the next couple days with flop TV the flop house dot simple tics comm

[1:57:17] Okay

[1:57:22] Man I keep getting better

[1:57:29] The thing is when one of this drops in people's ear holes, they're gonna say it's worth it

[1:57:37] In my ears as they say in

[1:57:41] Yeah, the con

[1:57:44] Here's the problem you got a rat the con here

[1:57:46] This

[1:57:49] Have to come anything there

[1:57:53] I'll tell you no, there's nothing there

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