FH Mini 99 - The Peach Pit Welcomes Hallie!

Stuart Wellington

[0:00] Hey, welcome everybody to another episode of The Peach Pit, the only podcast that covers

[0:10] the previous episodes of the Flophouse Podcast, a podcast that's not just for jerks anymore.

[0:17] I'm your host, Stuart Wellington, and joining me today, I have some really great guests.

[0:22] But before we talk about those guests, I'm going to throw it to one of those guests.

[0:26] Dan McCoy, you have some words for us, right?

Dan McCoy

[0:28] This is a very confusing way to set up what is a Max Fund Drive episode.

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[0:40] that you love, like the Flophouse, what this show really is outside of the fiction of The

[0:47] Peach Pit.

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[0:52] Dan, stay on course.

[0:53] Stay on course.

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[1:29] We'll talk a little bit more about The Drive later.

[1:33] But let's reenter this Peach Pit subset of The Flophouse now.

Stuart Wellington

[1:38] Like Dan said, as The Flophouse can't exist without the support of Max Fund supporters,

[1:44] The Peach Pit cannot exist without the support of The Flophouse podcast, a podcast that I assume

[1:49] you already listened to.

[1:51] Now, joining me today, I have all three hosts of The Flophouse podcast.

[1:55] And we're going to be talking about a special episode.

[1:56] We're going to be talking about episode 419 of The Flophouse.

[2:00] That's right, the Cat Person episode.

[2:02] And with me are the hosts of that podcast, the stars of that podcast, Dan McCoy, Hallie

[2:06] Haglund, Elliot Kalin.

[2:08] How are you guys doing?

[2:09] Pause for applause, please.

[2:12] Oh, and laughter.

[2:13] And laughter, yeah, because you guys are doing like little dances or something.

[2:16] And our names are hilarious.

[2:18] And we're pretending we don't know where to sit.

[2:19] We're picking up the mug and drinking the water.

Elliott Kalan

[2:22] And pause is the perfect word for it because we talked about a movie that had cat in the

[2:26] title.

[2:27] And we all cats have pause.

Stuart Wellington

[2:29] Elliot's already on fire.

[2:30] I love this.

[2:30] I can't believe I'm in the room with you guys.

[2:33] So Hallie, this is your first time joining us here on The Peach Pit.

[2:37] Thank you so much.

[2:37] It's a big deal.

Hallie Haglund

[2:40] It feels like a big deal.

[2:41] I actually had no idea what we were going to talk about today.

[2:44] So I'm learning as we go, folks.

Stuart Wellington

[2:47] I think all four of us are learning as we go.

[2:49] That's kind of the joy of being a human being is that you take in information and you process

[2:54] it and you learn every day.

[2:56] Now, speaking of learning, Hallie, I learned some new things about you.

[2:59] Hey, if you're not learning, you're not living.

[3:01] Now, having listened to the Cat Person episode.

[3:03] Dead people learn nothing except what's on the other side.

Elliott Kalan

[3:05] Yeah, Stuart, what are we doing today?

Stuart Wellington

[3:07] Oh, no, it's okay.

[3:08] You have some more bits.

[3:10] Elliot Kalen, Lord of Bits, is dropping some fresh hot ones on us.

[3:14] But real quick, Hallie, I learned some new things about you, as did all of the listeners.

[3:19] You speak Portuguese.

[3:21] How did that come about?

Hallie Haglund

[3:22] Well, I lived abroad for two years in Argentina on the border of Paraguay.

[3:32] So in the northernmost part of Argentina.

[3:34] Also, very close to Brazil.

[3:39] So I became very interested in the Portuguese language.

[3:43] A lot of the people in the town that I lived in were like, Brazil's the best country in

[3:48] the world.

[3:49] Brazilians are the most beautiful people in the world.

[3:53] Everyone who lives in Brazil is the happiest in the world.

[3:55] You know, I think it's a little more complicated than that.

[3:58] But it all led me to, I want to learn a little bit more about these people.

[4:02] I want to talk to them.

[4:03] So I studied Portuguese in college, and then I spent some time abroad there.

[4:08] And, you know, it was a very specific interest in the southern cone that led me to this acquiring

[4:17] of knowledge.

[4:18] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[4:19] That is fascinating.

[4:21] And speaking of the southern hemisphere and travel, I also just got back, as I was not featured

[4:27] on that episode of the podcast, because I just got back from traveling abroad.

[4:30] I was in Australia.

Dan McCoy

[4:32] Yeah.

[4:32] I was actually kind of amazed that you knew what happened on the Cat People episode, considering

[4:37] you were not here and you've been in Australia for several weeks, and we haven't dropped that

[4:41] episode yet.

Stuart Wellington

[4:41] Stuart even knows the title better than people who were there for the episode.

Dan McCoy

[4:44] Cat Person.

[4:45] Yeah.

[4:45] Sorry.

Stuart Wellington

[4:46] Well, just to fill you guys in, I listened to an early cut of the episode, and I watched

[4:51] the movie Cat Person on my flight back from Australia.

[4:55] I used up my precious should-have-been-sleeping time watching Cat Person.

Elliott Kalan

[5:00] I mean, but Cat Person couldn't have taken the entire flight.

[5:03] It's a two-hour movie, and that must be, what, an 11-hour flight?

Stuart Wellington

[5:06] It's 15 hours from Sydney to LA, and then another six hours back to New York City.

[5:11] Geez Louise.

[5:13] Wow.

[5:13] Yay, yay, yay.

[5:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[5:15] So how many times—

Hallie Haglund

[5:15] You must have watched that a lot of times.

[5:16] No more.

Stuart Wellington

[5:17] No more.

[5:17] Just put Cat Person on repeat.

[5:19] That's the only entertainment.

[5:21] The in-flight movies were down.

[5:23] I threw my books in the garbage because I was like, Cat Person is going to see me through

[5:28] it.

Elliott Kalan

[5:28] I assume when you arrived in Australia, they found the books in your luggage, and they

[5:31] said, can't bring these, mate, and they just threw them in the trash.

[5:34] These books are not allowed in Australia.

Stuart Wellington

[5:35] Yeah.

[5:36] No books at all.

[5:38] Yep.

[5:38] Only dollary-doos, didgery-doos, and, I don't know, koala bears.

Elliott Kalan

[5:44] I guess if you'd call them bookary-doos, they would have let you keep them, yeah.

[5:46] If I had only thought of that, if I declared them as bookary-doos.

[5:49] You spoke the language.

[5:50] They're like, do you have anything to declare-a-dee-do?

[5:53] And you're like, I have these books, only bookary-doos allowed, and then again, threw them

[5:57] in the garbage, yeah.

[5:57] Threw them in the pouch pocket of a kangaroo so that he could take it to the ocean and dump

[6:02] them in.

Hallie Haglund

[6:02] Do you guys know the garbage goes the other way in Australia?

Stuart Wellington

[6:06] It does, yeah.

[6:07] It goes back into your mouth.

[6:08] The fun thing is that I did not get enough sleep.

[6:15] I'm still super jet-lagged.

[6:17] The day I arrived, I ended up sleeping 13 hours, which just did not reset my sleep schedule.

[6:22] And then I had a double session with my therapist.

[6:25] So I'm a mess, guys.

[6:26] I'm already emotional.

[6:27] I'm a Pisces.

[6:28] You guys know this.

[6:29] So I'm a total, I'm a wreck right now.

[6:31] So let's see how this episode goes.

[6:33] So, Hallie-

Hallie Haglund

[6:35] I've never heard of a double session with a therapist.

Dan McCoy

[6:38] I didn't want to dig into this, but I don't know.

[6:40] And you can tell how emotional I am.

Elliott Kalan

[6:42] You get twice as much closure, right?

Stuart Wellington

[6:45] Well, it's like, it feels like the first session was just me explaining how my trip went.

[6:50] And then the second half of the session was just every emotional scab, old and new, was picked fresh and left me kind of in a state where between that and my odd sleep schedule left me feeling sad and high in a way that I was not prepared for.

Dan McCoy

[7:11] Aw, Stuart.

[7:12] It's okay.

[7:13] Wow.

[7:13] It's okay.

[7:14] I mean, it does kind of make sense to it because I do feel like every therapy session ends just

[7:18] as you're getting to the deep stuff, you know?

[7:21] Yeah.

[7:21] It's like, okay, well, time to go.

[7:23] I'm like, but put me back together again, please.

Stuart Wellington

[7:26] Yeah.

[7:26] Now, while I was in Australia, I did a couple of cold plunge therapy experiences.

[7:32] And so it was kind of like that.

[7:34] Like after the first session, I was like, okay, get me out of this.

[7:37] This hurts.

[7:38] My muscles are cramping and I can't breathe.

[7:41] Unfortunately, I had a whole nother session to go and here we are.

[7:44] So.

Elliott Kalan

[7:44] It's still better than a cold play therapy plunge, which is no fun.

Stuart Wellington

[7:48] No.

[7:49] Nobody enjoys that.

[7:50] Not even the members of cold play.

[7:52] Yeah.

[7:53] Hallie.

[7:54] Yeah.

[7:54] You talk about, you've talked about living in other places.

[7:57] You live in Los Angeles now, but you used to live over here on the East Coast.

[8:01] What do you miss most about living on the East Coast?

Hallie Haglund

[8:05] Dan.

[8:06] I was.

[8:07] Oh, how sweet.

Dan McCoy

[8:09] I was making eyes at Hallie hoping.

Stuart Wellington

[8:13] If you ask Elliot, Elliot just says pizza.

[8:16] And then he walks away.

Dan McCoy

[8:17] That's what I say.

[8:18] Yep.

[8:19] And my Ninja Turtle friends.

Elliott Kalan

[8:20] Well, the potential to have pizza with a Ninja Turtle.

[8:23] Because they do have pizza here, but you're never going to be able to eat it with a Ninja

[8:25] Turtle unless they've come out for a meeting.

[8:27] Possibly.

[8:28] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[8:28] You're at Universal Studios.

Hallie Haglund

[8:32] Okay.

[8:32] I miss a lot.

[8:33] I miss a lot.

[8:33] I feel like I have come to romanticize New York a lot more than I actually liked it while

[8:39] I was there.

[8:40] Uh-huh.

[8:40] Yeah.

[8:40] I feel like people are so smart there.

[8:43] They dress so cool.

[8:44] You never have to drive anywhere.

[8:47] You just hop on the subway.

[8:48] I got so many more steps.

[8:51] I was so much hotter.

[8:52] You know.

[8:53] Where's that?

[8:54] I had no children.

[8:55] That's the New York specific.

[8:56] Yeah, yeah.

Dan McCoy

[8:56] That's the difference.

[8:57] That's the New York specific.

[8:58] Yeah.

[8:58] I mean, Elliot seems to have thrown New York in the garbage by comparison.

Elliott Kalan

[9:03] I mean, to be honest, that's a New York thing to do.

[9:06] There's garbage cans everywhere.

[9:07] Yeah.

[9:07] I don't think it's not that I've thrown New York in the garbage.

[9:09] It's just that I have tried to romanticize it, and I've had trouble romanticizing it because

[9:14] as much as I love New York, and it's the greatest city in the world, and it's very special

[9:18] to me, I do remember a lot of the frustrations.

[9:20] Like, when Hallie's like, you don't have to drive because you can ride the subway.

[9:23] I have so many memories of sitting in a stopped subway car in the middle of a tunnel, not

[9:28] knowing if I would die there, if it would ever move again.

[9:32] Whereas if I'm in a car, I can always potentially just get out of my car and abandon it on the

[9:35] road if the traffic is bad enough.

Stuart Wellington

[9:37] Elliot, if you were stuck in that subway car, you could just eat your copy of the power broker

[9:42] and live for, I don't know, like a couple of days?

Elliott Kalan

[9:44] It would last me a little while, that's true, but then it would be like destroying a child.

[9:50] It would be such a hard sacrifice to make.

[9:52] But then it lives on inside you, the book.

[9:55] Yeah, but I was, I mean, I was just in New Jersey for a few days recently and got to drive

[10:01] through New York for a family event that was not a pleasant family event, but I did enjoy,

[10:06] I enjoyed seeing those gray skies and gray buildings and gray pavement all over again.

[10:11] You know, it was, I did feel the power and intensity of New York.

[10:14] Yeah, I miss that.

[10:15] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[10:16] Yeah, the intensity.

Elliott Kalan

[10:17] And I miss when I was in New York and I used to work for a television show and I had a

[10:22] regular paycheck every week.

[10:23] Yeah, that was nice.

[10:24] That was pretty great.

Stuart Wellington

[10:25] I live in New York and I miss that as well.

[10:28] So it's not a New York specific thing?

[10:30] Guys, and I'm kind of the same way, you know, like it's only been a couple of days, but already

[10:34] I'm missing Australia.

[10:36] I'm missing all the fun accents.

[10:38] I'm missing all the little critters you can see running around.

[10:42] I might even, I might even get one of those mullet haircuts that all those kids over there

[10:46] have that have the sides extra shaved, which I guess allows their sunglasses to stay on

[10:50] better.

[10:51] I don't know.

[10:52] Maybe grow a little mustache.

[10:53] I mean, I think it's cool for Australians that mullets and mustaches hit again.

Dan McCoy

[10:57] What?

[10:58] I mean, Stuart, I understand like the desire to ruin something beautiful, but don't do either

[11:02] of those things.

Elliott Kalan

[11:04] And Stuart, I think you should take solace in the fact that you're not hearing Australian accents.

[11:09] We are hearing the greatest accent in the world, the heavy New York accent.

[11:13] Hey, what you doing?

Hallie Haglund

[11:14] Get out of my face.

Elliott Kalan

[11:15] Hey, get him on.

[11:17] What's the matter with you?

Hallie Haglund

[11:18] Joey, Joey.

[11:19] I'm working here.

[11:20] Joey, tell Richie what you told me.

[11:23] Joey.

Elliott Kalan

[11:24] Louie, listen to this.

[11:25] Bagel.

[11:27] Tony, Tony, do you hear what Joey said to Richie?

Stuart Wellington

[11:30] Guys, what are these mating calls?

Elliott Kalan

[11:34] Paisa, Derek Jeter, Jane Jacobs, New York.

Stuart Wellington

[11:38] Yeah.

[11:39] The next question is for Hallie Haglund again.

[11:41] Architect Stanford White.

[11:42] Yeah.

[11:43] Oh, Stanny White.

[11:44] I love him.

Elliott Kalan

[11:45] Hey, hey, Stanny White.

[11:47] Hey, tell me that thing you said about the other guy.

[11:49] Anyway.

Stuart Wellington

[11:50] Next question is for Hallie again.

[11:52] How do you take your martinis?

Hallie Haglund

[11:56] I take them.

[11:59] Gin or vodka?

[12:00] Gin, always.

[12:02] Sapphire, gin.

Elliott Kalan

[12:04] Because you love colonialism.

Hallie Haglund

[12:06] Sometimes Plymouth.

[12:08] Oh, okay.

[12:09] Also colonialism.

[12:09] Oh, naval rum.

Elliott Kalan

[12:11] Or naval gin.

[12:12] Yeah, I like it.

[12:12] Naval rum is rum that you squeeze out of a person's belly button, right?

[12:15] Yep.

[12:16] I saw that in a movie once.

Stuart Wellington

[12:18] I like them very dry.

[12:19] By David Cronenberg.

[12:20] Oh, okay.

[12:22] Like how dry?

[12:23] Do you just like to show the glass of the bottle or do you actually pour some in there?

[12:27] Yeah, no liquid.

[12:28] Do you do a wash?

Hallie Haglund

[12:30] No, I don't do a wash.

[12:32] Okay.

[12:33] But for a long time I was, you know, historically I've always gone olives.

[12:38] I don't really like it dirty.

[12:39] If it's going to be dirty, just like the tiniest bit dirty.

[12:42] Yeah.

[12:42] But I'm not a big super dirty.

[12:44] Sound like Elliot right now.

[12:45] Not a super dirty gal.

Elliott Kalan

[12:47] Just like a little dirty.

[12:48] Yeah, exactly.

[12:49] Just so that I know I'm doing something wrong, but not so bad that I feel bad about it.

Stuart Wellington

[12:52] No, I want my martini to be fucked up.

Elliott Kalan

[12:56] Call the cops.

[12:57] I want to spend the next day wandering with my head in my hands going, what did I drink last night?

[13:01] How could I have done that?

Dan McCoy

[13:02] Stuart just tips a shot into some brine.

Stuart Wellington

[13:06] I mean, that sounds great.

[13:07] That sounds great, Dan.

[13:08] I had a cigarette martini at a fancy cocktail bar here in the city, and I think they like smoked the olives or some shit because it was like, it was like kind of smoke people not a lot.

[13:21] It was great.

[13:21] Was it good?

[13:23] Did you like it?

[13:23] It was delicious.

[13:24] It was great.

[13:24] It was probably like $28 or something.

[13:28] Really?

Hallie Haglund

[13:29] But it was good.

[13:30] Well, I've started taking them with a twist recently.

[13:32] Oh.

[13:33] I've grown tired of so many olives.

[13:36] I feel like it gets too salty by the end, even when it's no olive juice, just the olives.

[13:41] So I started doing them with a twist.

Stuart Wellington

[13:43] Thanks for asking.

[13:44] Yeah.

[13:44] No, thanks for answering.

[13:46] That's what the Peach Pit's all about, is finding out more about these floppers.

[13:50] Speaking about finding out floppers, we learned a little bit about a little dream Elliot had of a Seinfeld spec script.

[13:57] Yeah, that's true.

[13:57] And the world is on fire wanting more.

[13:59] So now that I have three bona fide TV writers with me, can you guys answer, have you, is there any non, what, off the air television show that you would like to write a script for?

Elliott Kalan

[14:16] Any show that's not on the air now?

[14:18] Yes.

[14:18] You kind of confused me.

[14:19] Okay, okay, yeah.

[14:20] Not on the air now.

[14:21] It's over.

[14:22] Yes.

Stuart Wellington

[14:22] Part of the Peach Pit is trying to figure out exactly what I'm trying to say.

Elliott Kalan

[14:27] It's like reading a Gene Wolfe novel in the Peach Pit.

[14:30] Yeah.

[14:30] I keep looking up words on my phone in the dictionary.

Dan McCoy

[14:33] And we figure it out.

[14:34] Of course, we go to the Peach Pit website and plug in all the clues that you've gathered from the episode.

Stuart Wellington

[14:40] You got to wear the special glasses.

Elliott Kalan

[14:42] Yeah.

[14:43] And then you win a prize.

[14:44] That prize being the knowledge that there is no prize.

[14:46] Mm-hmm.

Dan McCoy

[14:47] You know, it was like, I wrote, you know, The Simpsons is still on the air, but I wrote a Simpsons spec about 10 years later than anyone would care about a Simpsons spec.

[14:57] And that was like 15 years ago now.

[14:59] But like, I.

[15:01] Give us a, give us a taste.

Elliott Kalan

[15:02] Well, let's pretend.

[15:03] What was it about?

[15:03] What happened in it?

[15:05] Was that the one where Bart killed Homer by accident and he had to hide the body?

[15:10] Homer would have been dead, so he wouldn't have said dough, but you know.

[15:13] That's what he says about at all.

[15:14] I think it was.

Hallie Haglund

[15:15] I didn't do it.

Dan McCoy

[15:17] I think that's what he'd say, yeah.

[15:19] I think it was called Jesus Christ Superstation.

[15:22] And it was about how Homer took over like the local public airwaves that like Ned had done, had like religious programming on there.

[15:35] But Homer took it over and had his version of religious programming that was much more popular.

Elliott Kalan

[15:40] That's a good plot.

[15:41] Yeah.

[15:41] That's a good premise.

[15:43] Simpsons.

[15:43] That's great.

[15:44] Producers, snap this up or steal it.

Stuart Wellington

[15:47] Sure.

[15:48] Elliot Halley, have you guys got any, you can't do Night Court.

[15:52] Night Court's already back and not as good as it used to be.

Elliott Kalan

[15:56] Yeah.

[15:56] Well, I mean, I would, I mean, that Seinfeld I would love to, I think I might write that spec script if I can find the time just for the exercise of it.

[16:04] Yeah.

[16:05] But love to write a news radio.

[16:06] I love that show.

[16:07] Oh, yeah.

[16:08] It's the Night Court of my generation, news radio.

[16:10] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[16:11] I would do Golden Girls.

[16:14] I'd love to do Golden Girls.

[16:15] I'd do Herman's Head.

[16:17] Now that's a fun one.

[16:18] That'd be fun.

[16:19] That would be fun.

[16:20] Yeah.

[16:21] Or Babes.

Elliott Kalan

[16:23] Howie's always been interested in the show Babes.

[16:25] Yeah.

[16:26] I have a lot.

[16:27] What's the show Babes?

[16:28] You don't remember Babes?

[16:29] No.

[16:30] You don't remember the show that ran for one season on Fox in the early 90s?

[16:33] No.

[16:33] It's about a bunch of pigs in Australia.

Hallie Haglund

[16:35] No.

[16:36] No.

[16:36] It was about three beautiful big sisters who.

Elliott Kalan

[16:43] Three Rubenesque sisters.

[16:45] Yes.

[16:46] I'm listening.

[16:47] I remember the earliest promos were them chasing Bart Simpson.

[16:51] It was implied they were going to eat him, right?

Hallie Haglund

[16:52] No.

[16:53] But at the very end of the credits, they said they're all lying in it.

[16:56] Is he a Butterfinger inside?

Elliott Kalan

[16:58] Wait.

[16:59] What happened?

Hallie Haglund

[16:59] No, sorry.

[17:00] Go on.

[17:01] They're all lying on a fold-out couch and it goes, babes.

[17:05] And then the couch breaks and they all go, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[17:10] But I liked it.

[17:11] I liked it.

Stuart Wellington

[17:11] Swipe out.

[17:14] Okay.

[17:15] So, yeah.

[17:16] I mean, I haven't seen any episodes of Babes, but what kind of a script would you write for Babes?

Hallie Haglund

[17:22] Oh, geez.

[17:25] You're really putting me on the spot here.

Stuart Wellington

[17:27] Yeah.

[17:28] That's what we do.

[17:29] We ask the hard-hitting questions here.

[17:30] No, this is a pitch meeting.

Hallie Haglund

[17:31] You know, one of them is going through menopause.

[17:34] Oh, okay.

[17:36] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[17:37] That sounds perfect for the fox.

[17:38] And they don't know which one.

[17:39] They have to figure it out.

[17:40] Yeah.

[17:41] They're just dot, dot, dot, shenanigans.

[17:45] That's the love line.

Hallie Haglund

[17:47] That's the title of the episode.

[17:50] Menopause, question mark, dot, dot, dot, shenanigans.

Elliott Kalan

[17:53] He used to be able to sell a sitcom with a pitch like that.

[17:55] Yeah.

[17:55] Not anymore.

[17:57] Because TV is closed for business.

Dan McCoy

[17:59] Let me tell you a little bit more about MaxFunDrive.

[18:05] This is dropping just before MaxFunDrive technically starts, but you know what?

[18:10] It doesn't matter.

[18:11] One day before, it's MaxFunDrive.

[18:13] That's what I say.

[18:14] What is it?

[18:15] It's the one time of year we all come together to invite you to support this show as a member or by boosting or upgrading your membership.

[18:25] What's a MaxFun membership?

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[18:46] It is a worker-owned cooperative, meaning that your money goes to us, the creators, and it goes to MaxFun worker-owners and not to some CEO who commissions entertainment, then deletes it as a tax write-off.

Elliott Kalan

[18:59] It's not going to some shadowy overseer named Chexnotes, Jesse Thorne.

[19:04] Not anymore.

Dan McCoy

[19:05] If you are one of the people who inexplicably was mad about that, it's not going there.

[19:10] It's going only to worker-owners.

[19:12] Hey, why is member support key?

[19:15] I'm sure you have had something that you love, whether it be a TV show or a podcast, canceled in the past year because the corporate overlords didn't think it made enough money.

[19:26] And we don't have those people.

[19:28] You're our bosses.

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Stuart Wellington

[21:44] Now, let's get into Cat Person the movie, but also let's talk a little bit about Cat Person the book.

[21:50] Because unlike the three of you, I did not read the short story.

[21:54] Now, granted, I had plenty of time to read it while I was on my flight.

[21:58] Instead, I read two romance novels and the first Black Company novel.

[22:04] Those were all great.

[22:06] So, I had plenty of time to read this, but I did not.

[22:08] So, you guys are going to have to answer a couple of questions for me.

[22:11] Sure.

[22:11] First of all, is Isabella Rossellini in the short story?

[22:15] That's a big no, unfortunately.

[22:17] Like, either her or her character.

[22:19] You guys didn't ask that?

Dan McCoy

[22:21] Yeah, you didn't.

[22:21] Neither one.

[22:22] I mean, like, I was going to say, like, if you take the first two-thirds of the movie and then remove all the bullshit from it, that's basically the short story.

[22:29] But we'll answer more questions.

Stuart Wellington

[22:31] Okay.

[22:32] So, I have a question about Isabella Rossellini now.

[22:35] Please.

[22:35] So, her character, if you'll recall, was the college professor who is for, like, entomology or sociology or anthropology or something.

[22:45] She's a professor of spooky stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[22:46] She seems to be like, yeah, she's a biologist specializing in the macabre.

Stuart Wellington

[22:50] Uh-huh.

[22:51] Now, she, and she has an obsession with this ant colony she's been cultivating.

[22:56] Now, do you think at any point they were considering also making her Margot, the lead character's aunt?

[23:03] If she's also obsessed with ants?

Dan McCoy

[23:07] Now, for what thematic reason would this be happening?

[23:11] I'm guessing, no.

Dan McCoy

[23:11] I'm guessing they never considered that.

Hallie Haglund

[23:12] Just, you know, so they wouldn't have to, they have to pay per word in the script.

[23:16] But homonyms don't count.

[23:19] Oh, that's a good deal.

Elliott Kalan

[23:21] Thank you.

[23:22] That's what I was looking for.

[23:23] You're going to get sued by the word supplier.

[23:24] It's like, these are two different words.

[23:25] Uh-uh.

[23:26] They sound the same.

[23:27] Check your contract.

[23:27] It has to go to word court.

Stuart Wellington

[23:29] Okay.

[23:30] So, that was a satisfying answer to my question.

[23:35] Now, you were saying all the bullshit's been taken out.

[23:38] Now, in the short story, is there a dog character?

[23:42] No.

[23:42] No dog.

[23:43] What about, do the cats ever show up in the short story?

Dan McCoy

[23:47] The point is, you don't see the cats.

Hallie Haglund

[23:49] Yeah.

[23:49] I think she does, like, wonder, right?

[23:52] Yeah.

[23:52] In the short story about, like, but in the short story, I think she's also like, where the

[23:56] fuck are the cats at some point?

Stuart Wellington

[23:57] But there's no scene where she opens up a door and two cats run out.

[24:00] No.

Elliott Kalan

[24:00] Everything, everything at the end where she has decided to attach, invade his home to

[24:06] stalk, to surveil him and everything they fight, that's all original to the film.

Stuart Wellington

[24:11] Okay.

[24:12] So.

[24:13] Oh, yeah.

[24:14] To the film.

[24:14] So, wait.

[24:14] Does that mean?

[24:16] So, that makes the final act to, like, that's a little bit of, like, fan fiction element

[24:21] there where they're like, everybody, when they read the original story, was dying to know

[24:26] about these cats.

[24:26] What happened next?

[24:27] Yeah.

[24:27] Let's give them the cats.

Elliott Kalan

[24:28] What about the cats?

[24:29] Yeah.

[24:29] And what if we could get a dog in there?

[24:31] I mean, the implication that he has been following her to set up this first meeting, I believe

[24:36] is not, I think that's all new to the movie, too.

[24:39] Uh-huh.

[24:39] Yeah.

[24:39] Short story, it's a, everything is above board in terms of they meet at a movie theater.

[24:43] He is not a kind of, he's not, he's not, he's not a haunted figure who, with his black

[24:48] hound, stalks the streets looking for women to meet cute with.

[24:52] Yep.

[24:53] Right.

Stuart Wellington

[24:55] Okay.

[24:56] And Harrison Ford.

[24:58] Is Harrison Ford mentioned in the short story at all?

[25:01] No.

[25:02] That's all original to the movie, too, right?

[25:04] Yeah.

[25:04] Now, there's a sequence where Margot imagines that Robert, played by Nicholas Braun, is seeing

[25:12] a therapist.

[25:13] Do you think at any point in the process, in her imagination, the therapist would be played

[25:17] by Harrison Ford?

Dan McCoy

[25:20] Like, as his shrinking character specifically?

[25:23] I mean, that would be great.

Stuart Wellington

[25:24] He's already, I mean, he's already got the costume.

Elliott Kalan

[25:27] I have to mention that when that character of Robert saw shrinking, he was disappointed

[25:31] in Harrison Ford for playing a character who's not super cool.

Dan McCoy

[25:34] Although he's still a little cool, because he doesn't care about anybody or anything.

[25:37] I assume the script went out to Harrison and he's like, this won't pay for my weed.

Elliott Kalan

[25:44] Calista, should I do this?

[25:46] Calista, should I do this movie?

[25:48] That's his longtime romantic partner, Calista Flockhart.

[25:50] Should I do this?

[25:51] Should I?

[25:52] Anyway, no, I'm not going to.

[25:53] And they went back to bed, probably.

[25:54] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[25:55] Okay, well, that's a satisfactory answer.

Dan McCoy

[25:58] Now, every time I say that, it sounds less and less like it's a satisfactory answer.

[26:02] Yeah, that's true.

Elliott Kalan

[26:03] I believe I've told my Harrison Ford story before on this podcast, right?

[26:06] I don't remember.

[26:08] I would love to hear anything.

[26:09] When I worked at Barnes & Noble many years ago as a young lad, this was in the year,

[26:14] this was all the way back in the year 2002, 22 years ago.

[26:20] Ooh.

[26:20] When I worked at the Barnes & Noble Chelsea in Manhattan, don't look for it.

[26:24] It's not there anymore.

[26:25] It closed down.

[26:26] I don't know what that space is these days.

[26:28] But when one day Harrison Ford came in to, I guess, check out the place to see if it was

[26:33] cool enough or chill enough for him and Calista Flockhart to do their holiday shopping in,

[26:37] if they weren't going to get mobbed by all their fans, it passed mustard or passed mustard

[26:42] if it was a squeeze tube.

[26:44] And he and Calista Flockhart came in and I worked at the information desk at the time.

[26:48] It was my job to go get books from different parts of the store.

[26:51] And I felt bad because I seemed, I, by coincidence, always had to go through whatever section they

[26:56] were in at that moment to get to where I was going.

[26:59] It was not me being a gawker stalker at all.

[27:01] And I overheard the following conversation when they were in the poetry section.

Stuart Wellington

[27:05] Which would have been appropriate if you were being a gawker stalker to the movie we're

[27:10] talking about, Cat Person.

Elliott Kalan

[27:11] That's very true.

[27:11] Yeah, but I wasn't.

[27:12] And this is the conversation I heard while they were in the poetry section of the Barnes & Noble.

[27:15] I heard Calista Flockhart say, you don't read poetry.

[27:19] And Harrison Ford said, sure.

[27:20] Yeah, sure I do.

[27:21] I read poetry.

[27:22] And I thought to myself, even Han Solo has the same conversation with his girlfriend that

[27:26] all guys have with their girlfriends.

[27:31] Now, there is a-

[27:34] Dan, just feel, or Indiana Jones, whatever character you want me to refer, or Henry.

[27:37] What character you want me to refer to?

[27:38] Henry.

Dan McCoy

[27:38] I was dubious about the essentialism of this conversation that you claim is universal.

[27:44] That was the part that I was making a face about.

Elliott Kalan

[27:44] Every single man has had it with every single female romantic partner since the beginning

[27:48] of time.

[27:49] Adam had it with Eve, Akhenaten with Nefertiti, all of them.

[27:53] As mentioned on the podcast, fictional characters.

[27:56] I think Audrey is less interested in poetry than I am.

[28:00] Oh, well.

[28:01] Then I guess I know who wears the pants in that family.

[28:04] Both of you.

[28:04] Oh, sure.

[28:05] I mean, for poetry, would it be like pantalones?

[28:08] We both do a lot of the time.

[28:09] I mean-

[28:09] Yeah, yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[28:10] Because otherwise-

[28:11] Except for who does the pants in those families?

[28:13] Like, ha, ha, ha.

[28:15] That's pants.

[28:17] Panting.

[28:17] Panting like a dog.

[28:18] Yeah.

[28:18] Panting?

Stuart Wellington

[28:19] Yeah.

[28:19] Does that in a dog sound?

[28:21] Probably the cats.

[28:23] Yeah, that actually makes sense.

[28:24] Yeah.

[28:24] How ironic that the cats are making the dog sounds.

[28:27] Yeah.

[28:28] These cats really have dogs.

[28:29] We live in.

[28:30] So, we're talking about Harrison Ford here.

[28:32] Now, Nicholas Braun's character uses Harrison Ford in many of his movies as a role model for how he should behave romantically.

[28:41] Can you guys answer what Harrison Ford character would be a good role model for a man to follow?

[28:48] Hmm.

[28:49] Hmm.

[28:49] Not necessarily just romantically.

[28:51] We could talk about in life in general.

Dan McCoy

[28:53] I mean, it seems like in The Fugitive, before his wife passes away, they had a good relationship.

[29:00] He's so devoted to her and declaring his name, but to her-

[29:03] I mean, he's persistent.

[29:04] He's very persistent.

[29:05] He doesn't give up.

[29:06] Tracks down the killer.

[29:07] And in the middle of all of that, he still has the time to save a young boy at the hospital who's been diagnosed incorrectly.

Elliott Kalan

[29:15] And he's also immune to jumping off of really high heights into water.

[29:20] That doesn't hurt him.

Stuart Wellington

[29:20] That's his superpower.

[29:21] That's his one superpower that nobody knew about until he was put in that situation.

[29:26] Yeah.

[29:26] Okay.

[29:27] That's a pretty good one.

[29:27] You guys got anything?

[29:28] You got any-

[29:29] Annie's a doctor.

Hallie Haglund

[29:30] But regarding Henry, like once he relearns how to be a human, once he forgets that he was like a terrible person and becomes a good person-

Dan McCoy

[29:38] That's a good one.

Hallie Haglund

[29:39] I wouldn't kick that guy out of my life.

Dan McCoy

[29:42] No, that's true.

[29:42] I mean, you got to put in a lot of effort up top, you know, sort of like rebuilding Henry.

[29:47] Yeah.

[29:47] But, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[29:49] Rebuilding Henry was the prequel, right?

[29:51] Yeah.

[29:52] Yeah.

[29:53] Regarding rebuilding.

[29:54] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[29:55] I guess Rick Deckard, he really is able to process the fact that he's a robot pretty well.

[30:01] Yeah.

[30:01] You know, and that's a big blow to the psyche.

[30:04] It's hard to get over that.

[30:05] And yet he's able to do it.

[30:06] And I, you know, I admire him for that, I guess.

[30:08] Also, he wears a trench coat real well.

[30:11] He looks super cool.

[30:12] Super cool.

[30:13] I mean, he's a tool of oppression.

[30:14] That's not great.

[30:15] That's not cool.

[30:16] Well, what about like working girl?

[30:18] Well, no, he changes clothes in front of his staff.

[30:20] That's not cool.

[30:21] Let's see.

[30:22] What about, does he ever play a character who is nice to people?

[30:28] I mean, Henry after the accident.

Hallie Haglund

[30:30] Henry saved, this isn't a movie, but remember, didn't he like save someone when he was a pilot?

[30:35] Yeah, he did.

[30:36] He did do that.

Dan McCoy

[30:37] Yeah, in real life.

[30:37] That's true.

[30:38] Okay.

[30:38] So Harrison.

[30:39] The real Harrison.

[30:40] Yeah.

[30:40] I mean, the real guy seems like, he's sort of grumpy, but like, you know, he's also kind

[30:45] of like a funny stone guy.

Elliott Kalan

[30:46] I bet he's pretty friendly when you, when, if you're not bothering him.

Hallie Haglund

[30:49] I have, so wait, quick story.

[30:51] It didn't happen to me.

[30:52] It happened to my very good friend, but my friend was working a temp job on the Upper West

[30:58] side, so he was, you know, he, he didn't usually get off at the subway stop, but then he was

[31:04] regularly getting off it for a week.

[31:06] And every day for the first three days he was working this temp job, he passed Harrison

[31:11] Ford when he was getting out of the subway.

[31:14] And on the fourth day, Harrison Ford looked at him and said, birds of a feather and just

[31:20] kept walking.

[31:22] That seems like a pretty cool guy, right?

Elliott Kalan

[31:24] That's pretty cool.

Dan McCoy

[31:25] I like that.

[31:25] Perfect sort of like semi-enigmatic just as he passed.

Elliott Kalan

[31:29] It's also, it also could double as a like, I know you're following me.

[31:32] Please stop.

[31:33] You know, which I don't know if he meant it that way.

Hallie Haglund

[31:35] That's not the vibe I got.

[31:36] Shout out to Rob Cuthill.

[31:37] If he's listening somewhere, that's his story.

Elliott Kalan

[31:39] That is a good story.

[31:40] I think that is cool.

[31:41] And, and he was president once, but we don't know about his policies.

[31:45] It's possible that even, it's possible that even though he's very good at getting

[31:48] guys off his plane, that maybe he also does some bad stuff policy-wise.

Dan McCoy

[31:52] It's mostly throwing terrorists off plane.

Elliott Kalan

[31:55] He's like, get off my plane.

[31:57] And the audience goes, yeah.

[31:58] And he goes, and we've got to outlaw gay marriage at the national level.

[32:01] And they're like, oh, what?

[32:03] Hold on.

[32:03] That's not okay.

[32:05] Um, okay.

[32:06] We need to cut entitlement spending and welfare spending for our military buildup.

[32:10] No, no.

[32:11] President Ford, don't do that.

[32:13] So.

[32:14] Second President Ford.

Stuart Wellington

[32:15] Yeah.

[32:15] I was just thinking that.

Elliott Kalan

[32:17] Yeah.

[32:17] I mean, in the movie, it's not President Ford.

[32:19] He isn't?

Stuart Wellington

[32:21] Is he, is he President Richard Kimball?

[32:24] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[32:25] His story of being unjustly accused of his wife's murder really captured the nation's

[32:30] attention.

[32:30] I think he could run.

[32:32] I think he has a platform.

[32:33] He can run really well.

[32:34] Have you seen The Fugitive?

[32:35] Yes.

[32:35] That whole movie is him running.

[32:36] Running through the streets of Chicago.

[32:39] Yeah.

[32:39] Those are not easy streets to run through.

[32:41] You hit a river at one point.

[32:43] One of the highlights.

Hallie Haglund

[32:44] Actually, I ran the Chicago Marathon and that's one of the easiest marathons to run.

[32:49] Oh, really?

[32:49] Very flat.

Elliott Kalan

[32:50] Oh, I see.

[32:50] Very flat.

[32:51] Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

[32:52] But what if you're being chased by Tommy Lee Jones?

[32:54] I guess that makes it easier to run, to be honest.

[32:55] Way easier.

[32:56] Yeah.

[32:57] Motivation.

Hallie Haglund

[32:57] Yeah.

[32:58] Really motivating.

[32:59] Also, doesn't he have one leg?

Dan McCoy

[33:02] Isn't he the one?

[33:02] Tommy Lee Jones?

Hallie Haglund

[33:04] Wait.

[33:04] In Lonesome Dove, was he the one who got his leg amputated or was it a-

Elliott Kalan

[33:09] Elliot would be the one to know this.

[33:10] I don't remember.

Stuart Wellington

[33:11] It's been so long since I saw Lonesome Dove.

[33:13] Wait.

[33:13] Let me text Larry McMurtry.

[33:15] I've got some bad news for you, Stuart.

[33:18] He's not responding.

[33:21] It truly was the last picture show.

[33:24] It's only three dots.

[33:26] Okay.

[33:27] So one of the highlights of the Cat Person episode for me was the moment when all three

[33:32] of you managed to call out movies that happened to be released in 1994.

[33:36] I was very impressed by that.

[33:38] So on the subject of 1994, I wanted to know if you could guess what the top domestic box

[33:45] office movie of 1994 was, since you're all experts at 1994.

Dan McCoy

[33:52] Was that the year of The Lion King?

Stuart Wellington

[33:56] Dan got number one, okay?

[33:59] Wow.

[33:59] You guys have a chance to get anything in the top five.

[34:03] Number one is Lion King.

[34:04] Forrest Gump, right?

[34:06] Number two, baby.

[34:07] Wow.

[34:08] The pressure's really on.

Elliott Kalan

[34:10] There was a time when Forrest Gump was the number two, a movie like Forrest Gump was the

[34:14] number two movie in the country.

[34:16] Yeah.

[34:16] Like that's, that would be, if you, I mean, regardless of the quality or not quality of

[34:20] Forrest Gump, and there are things I like about it, things I don't like about it.

[34:22] A movie about a guy who just happens to live through events in the 60s and 70s.

[34:27] Uh-huh.

[34:27] And people are like, we love this movie.

[34:29] And now that would be, I guess it would be like a prestige TV series that goes on for

[34:32] 10 seasons or something like that.

[34:34] Yeah, everybody would love it.

[34:36] You got anything, Hal?

[34:37] In the movies.

Hallie Haglund

[34:37] So, was Armageddon later?

[34:40] Was Armageddon like, yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[34:42] And Independence Day was later, right?

[34:45] Was that 95?

[34:47] Um.

[34:49] Let's look at a couple of Griffin Newmans over here.

[34:51] Okay.

[34:51] I mean, we did pretty good.

[34:52] You guys did pretty good.

Stuart Wellington

[34:53] You got the top two.

[34:54] The rest of the top five is True Lies, The Santa Claus, and The Flintstones.

[35:02] Wow.

Elliott Kalan

[35:02] Oh, I wouldn't have gotten any of this.

[35:03] I didn't realize The Flintstones was number five.

[35:06] That was it.

[35:06] That, they did make it.

[35:07] The live action one?

Stuart Wellington

[35:08] The live action.

[35:09] Johnny Goods.

[35:10] And our boy Harry Ford brings up number six, Clear and Present Danger.

[35:16] Danger.

[35:18] Okay.

[35:19] Clear and Present.

[35:20] Stay it all together with me, folks.

[35:21] Danger.

[35:22] Dan's favorite movie in 1994, Speed, came out.

[35:26] It came in at number seven.

[35:28] Not bad.

[35:30] Not bad.

[35:30] Thank you, I guess.

[35:32] Okay.

[35:33] So, that was top box office.

[35:35] Can you guys name some of the, it was also a big year for the Oscars.

[35:41] Have you guys ever heard of the Oscars?

[35:42] We're kind of in award season here, here at the Flophouse.

[35:46] So, can you guess some of the, let's say, best actor winner?

[35:53] Tom Hanks, wasn't it?

[35:55] He won.

Dan McCoy

[35:56] Yeah.

[35:56] I was going to ask whether this is four films that came out then in 94 or you're talking

[36:01] about the previous year.

Stuart Wellington

[36:02] No, these are from the previous year.

[36:03] I tricked you.

[36:04] Oh.

[36:05] But Tom Hanks did win.

[36:06] What did Tom Hanks win for?

Elliott Kalan

[36:08] For Philadelphia.

[36:09] That was for Philadelphia, right?

[36:10] Philadelphia.

[36:10] That was when Tom Hanks won back-to-back Best Actor Oscars, right?

[36:15] For Philadelphia and Farskamp.

[36:16] But was it, did Schindler's List win for Best Picture that year?

Stuart Wellington

[36:20] No, Schindler's List, yeah, won for actual 1994.

[36:24] Yep.

[36:25] Hmm.

[36:27] The Best Picture winner for the year previous, which is what we're talking about, is, nope,

[36:36] it was Schindler's List.

[36:37] You're right.

[36:38] I was wrong.

Elliott Kalan

[36:38] Because it came out in 93, because 93 was the year that Steven Spielberg had both Jurassic

[36:42] Park and Schindler's List, which is amazing.

[36:44] Yeah.

[36:44] It's amazing two movies to have come out in the same year, because they're so similar.

[36:47] They're exactly the same.

Hallie Haglund

[36:48] Times have changed when you could just write a list and win an Oscar.

[36:52] Must be nice.

[36:54] Now we got to write whole scripts.

[36:56] Get them chopped.

Stuart Wellington

[36:59] Dialogue in them, yeah.

[37:01] Guys, and based on what we've been talking about, I would argue the majority of this Cat

[37:06] person podcast, can you guess who was the winner of actor in a supporting role?

[37:13] It was in 1994 for movies from 1993.

[37:16] Denzel Washington?

[37:18] No.

[37:19] What have we been talking about most of this podcast?

[37:22] Harrison Ford.

[37:24] Tommy Lee Jones.

[37:26] For The Fugitive.

[37:27] Oh, okay.

Elliott Kalan

[37:28] That's right.

[37:30] We got there.

[37:31] We got there eventually.

[37:32] We did.

[37:32] It was TLJ.

[37:34] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[37:34] I did guess babes before we got there.

S5

[37:43] I'm back for another game.

[37:45] You know it.

[37:46] What's going on?

S6

[37:47] Just one more week till MaxFunDrive.

S5

[37:50] Hard to believe.

[37:51] It's been a heck of a year since the last one.

[37:54] We're now a worker-owned co-op.

[37:55] We raised $50,000 for charity last year.

S6

[37:58] And we've added a bunch of awesome new shows.

[38:01] But do you think we're ready to do it again?

S5

[38:04] Absolutely.

[38:05] Lovely new gifts are lined up.

[38:07] The episodes will be amazing.

[38:09] And wait till everyone hears the bonus content.

S6

[38:12] Yeah.

[38:12] Plus, they know to go to MaximumFun.org slash newsletter.

[38:15] So they're getting all the news.

[38:17] Oh, like that meetup day is on Thursday, March 21st.

Stuart Wellington

[38:20] Then what's bothering you?

[38:21] Me?

S6

[38:22] Oh, nothing.

[38:24] We're all set for MaxFunDrive to start on Monday, March 18th.

[38:27] I just didn't want you to see this coming.

[38:29] Check.

S7

[38:29] What?

[38:30] Hang on.

[38:31] Most of the plants humans eat are technically grass.

S8

[38:34] Most of the asphalt we drive on is almost a liquid.

S7

[38:39] The formula of WD-40 is San Diego's greatest secret.

S8

[38:44] Zippers were invented by a Swedish immigrant love story.

S7

[38:48] On the podcast, Secretly Incredibly Fascinating, we explore this type of amazing stuff.

S8

[38:53] Stuff about ordinary topics like cabbage and batteries and socks.

S7

[38:58] Topics you'd never expect to be the title of the podcast.

[39:01] Secretly Incredibly Fascinating.

S8

[39:03] Find us by searching for the word secretly in your podcast app.

S7

[39:09] And at MaximumFun.org.

Dan McCoy

[39:12] Before we move on, I'm breaking in yet again to say a little bit about MaxFunDrive.

[39:18] I'm going to focus on the bonus content.

[39:20] MaxFun has a library full of bonus content you can enjoy from all your favorite MaxFun shows.

[39:26] And it's gotten really big over the years.

[39:28] You can get access to the entire library of bonus content for every single MaxFun show when you join at just $5 a month or more.

[39:34] If you're thinking strictly about value, hey, that's a great value.

[39:38] You might be, look, you might be supporting some creators on platforms like Patreon.

[39:43] We have chosen to partner with MaxFun because being in this community helps us share the fundraising.

[39:47] We can ask you for money less frequently.

[39:50] Put more energy into making a show that you love.

[39:53] Look, sometimes I might see complaints that, oh, if this or that show is on Patreon, you get more bonus content.

[39:58] I understand where that mindset comes from.

[40:00] Capitalism has poisoned our brains into thinking that everything is transactional.

[40:05] But look, we take stuff that might normally be paywalled.

[40:08] We give it away for free up front in the hopes that you'll kick us a tip to support us.

[40:12] And then the bonus content, we do give us a little extra thank you that we hope you appreciate.

[40:17] And we hope you appreciate this model as well.

[40:19] We're excited for this year's bonus content.

[40:22] As mentioned on day one, there's access to all of the bonus episodes we've made for previous years,

[40:28] including, for instance, some RPG shows where we played cartoon dogs.

[40:34] Stuart ran us through a little adventure.

[40:38] Yeah, it was a little adventure.

[40:39] A little adventure.

[40:40] It was an awfully big adventure.

Elliott Kalan

[40:42] You got a big adventure on there too.

Dan McCoy

[40:44] Yeah.

[40:45] Plus, you'll get this year's, our first bonus show for this year is our live show from Los Angeles

[40:52] where we talked about 1997's Spawn.

[40:55] The movie that kicked off the superhero craze.

[40:57] Uh-huh.

[40:58] The movie, dare say it, responsible for all superhero movies afterwards.

[41:03] Prove us wrong.

[41:04] Mm-hmm.

[41:05] But that's not all.

[41:06] We're going to do, later in the year, we're going to drop these when we can, a miniseries

[41:11] on a schlock director, sort of a blech check, if you will, where we're going to talk about

[41:17] some of the films of Graydon Clark.

Elliott Kalan

[41:18] That works better written than it does set out loud.

Dan McCoy

[41:20] Blech check.

[41:21] I don't like it.

[41:22] We previously touched on this director in the main feed in our first Gillian Flynn episode

[41:28] where we discussed the mutant cat movie, Uninvited.

[41:31] But we're going to do a deeper dive.

[41:33] We'll discuss the 80s sex comedy Joysticks, the 90s sexy dance movie, The Forbidden Dance,

[41:39] and the later in the 90s sci-fi movie, Star Games, featuring inexplicably Tony Curtis.

Elliott Kalan

[41:46] And on top of that...

[41:47] Highlights from the filmography of Graydon Clark.

Dan McCoy

[41:50] Yes.

[41:51] On top of that, just wanted to mention, in passing, we have teamed with StagePilot yet again

[41:57] to do some upcoming video streams of some of our live shows.

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Stuart Wellington

[42:19] It's almost as good as being in the room.

[42:21] I know.

Dan McCoy

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Stuart Wellington

[43:05] So that was a little blast from the past with us focusing on 1994, the year that is on everybody's lips.

[43:11] Hollywood's greatest year.

Elliott Kalan

[43:13] Sure.

[43:13] Yeah.

[43:14] 1994.

Hallie Haglund

[43:16] I was 12.

[43:17] Still a preteen.

Elliott Kalan

[43:19] I don't like that.

[43:21] What was that?

[43:21] What?

[43:22] What's that imply?

[43:24] I don't like the implication.

Hallie Haglund

[43:25] Let's just say the cat person might be interested.

Elliott Kalan

[43:30] Back to the story.

[43:31] I will say this.

[43:32] In defense of the cat person, that he is interested in a 20-year-old woman.

[43:37] She is of legal age.

[43:39] There's never an implication that he's a pedophile.

Stuart Wellington

[43:41] Not legal drinking age.

Elliott Kalan

[43:43] That's fair.

[43:44] Good point.

[43:45] Good point.

Stuart Wellington

[43:45] A 20-year-old woman that he believes is slightly older, at least.

[43:49] Yes.

[43:49] Right?

Elliott Kalan

[43:50] He certainly likes that she exudes youth, but not childhood.

[43:57] Yeah.

[43:57] Childhood.

[43:58] Childhood.

Stuart Wellington

[43:58] Exudes youth.

[43:59] A 12-year-old.

[44:01] No.

[44:02] Don't like it.

[44:02] You're just saying you.

[44:03] Don't like this answer.

[44:05] No, don't like it.

[44:06] I like the question even less.

[44:07] Well, at 12, I also did.

[44:09] There was a point of contention, specifically one of Elliot's contentions with this movie,

[44:14] Cat Person, that it featured too many needle drops.

[44:17] And what I would like to be like your take on is, what's the difference between a needle

[44:21] drop and just a song?

Hallie Haglund

[44:23] That was my question.

[44:25] I asked before we started recording, I think.

[44:27] I still don't understand.

Dan McCoy

[44:30] I don't.

[44:31] Well, at first I was going to say, I don't think that there necessarily is one.

[44:36] And I think that they're used often just interchangeably.

[44:42] But maybe I would say if I was pressed that like a song is like.

[44:46] You were pressed?

[44:47] A member?

[44:49] You know, sometimes there's just like a song sort of on the soundtrack that like the film

[44:54] doesn't make a big deal out of.

[44:56] It's just like whether diegetic or non-diegetic.

[44:59] It's just like there.

[45:00] Whereas a needle drop maybe underlines a moment more like to bring up one that, you know,

[45:10] I know bothered some people.

[45:12] Didn't bother me particularly, but I get what it is.

Elliott Kalan

[45:16] It Don't Bother Me, the song from the end of Nashville?

[45:19] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[45:20] No, like in like Captain Marvel when Just a Girl plays during the big fight at the end.

[45:27] Like that's like very much like a needle drop, I would say.

Stuart Wellington

[45:30] Yeah, I would say for me.

[45:30] People had problems with Captain Marvel?

Dan McCoy

[45:33] Yeah.

[45:33] I'm sure all for rational good reasons that have no underpinnings of anything else.

Elliott Kalan

[45:40] Yeah.

[45:40] I think needle drop not being a necessarily a technical or scientific term is kind of messy.

[45:45] But I think for me it's when a pop song is used as punctuation, either to like be like

[45:51] something's happening or to like Les Dan's thing kind of underline and make really obvious

[45:56] a thing.

[45:57] Often, I mean, the needle droppiest movie is Suicide Squad, the first one, where often the

[46:02] songs are not even related to what's going on on screen.

[46:04] It's literally just new shot, new pop song, new shot, new pop song.

[46:08] And so there are a couple scenes in Cat Person where it just felt like the music, it was

[46:12] like as soon as it cut to a new scene, a new pop song started.

[46:15] And then as soon as that scene was over, that song stopped and another one started.

[46:19] It felt very artificial to me.

Stuart Wellington

[46:20] So for instance, the use of Gimme More by Britney Spears would be a needle drop.

[46:26] But what about the scene that follows shortly after in the, what, the firearm store, the self-defense

[46:32] store, where in the background you hear the song, uh, damn, I wish I was your lover playing.

[46:40] Is that a needle drop?

Elliott Kalan

[46:42] I don't remember the scene well enough to be honest.

Dan McCoy

[46:46] So I think the answer means, means no.

[46:48] The answer means no.

[46:49] The answer means no.

Elliott Kalan

[46:50] Is it, is this, is it playing in the background in the store or is it playing on the soundtrack?

[46:54] It's playing in the background in the store.

[46:56] If it's in the store, so this is, I'm also going to make a distinction from needle drop.

[47:00] If it is diegetic music, if it's music that is organic to the scene coming from a source

[47:04] in the scene, I don't think of it as a needle drop.

[47:06] Like when he, when he puts on his makeout mix or his sex mix, you know, uh, when she goes

[47:11] to his house, that doesn't feel like a needle drop to me.

[47:12] But when it is non-diegetic, if it's not within the scene, it feels like a needle drop

[47:16] to me.

[47:17] Sex mix is the worst kind of Chex mix.

[47:20] So you think.

[47:21] It's just so messy.

[47:22] You gotta wear a clothes for it.

[47:23] What a prude.

[47:24] I mean, to be fair, I've never been a fan of Chex mix because it's like, here's two

[47:27] things you like and three things you don't.

[47:29] Find the stuff you like in it.

[47:30] But if there was some sex hidden in there, maybe it's worth the hunt.

Hallie Haglund

[47:35] Interesting.

[47:36] I love Chex mix just for the record.

Elliott Kalan

[47:38] What is it about Chex mix that you like?

[47:39] So salty.

Hallie Haglund

[47:41] But you were saying you don't like that much salt in your drink.

[47:43] I know.

[47:44] Because I'm drinking.

[47:45] But when I'm eating.

Dan McCoy

[47:46] Allie's complex.

[47:49] She is.

[47:49] She has layers.

Stuart Wellington

[47:51] Yeah.

[47:51] Keeps you guessing.

[47:52] Like an onion.

[47:52] Like a salty onion.

[47:54] So real quick.

[47:55] That sounds good.

[47:56] Since we're talking about music and movies.

[47:58] Favorite soundtracks or soundtrack CDs that you've owned.

Elliott Kalan

[48:03] Or favorite score.

[48:05] That's the thing.

[48:06] I have owned more score CDs than soundtrack CDs.

[48:11] But like.

[48:12] It's Elliot.

[48:14] Yeah.

[48:14] This is me.

[48:15] We're talking to it.

[48:15] But like I've owned a number of Ennio Morricone's scores.

[48:18] And I really like the one for The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly I love.

[48:21] I'm a big fan of Jerry Goldsmith's score for The Planet of the Apes.

[48:25] Yeah.

[48:25] You know.

[48:26] And I had those.

Stuart Wellington

[48:27] But I never had a lot of the ones where it was like.

[48:28] Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the score for Chopping Mall.

[48:31] We've all talked about this.

[48:31] We all love scores.

[48:33] I'm tired of hearing you talk about the score for Chopping Mall.

Hallie Haglund

[48:35] I'm a big fan of the score for Untamed Heart.

[48:37] The Marissa Tomei movie where Christian Bale gets a baboon heart.

Stuart Wellington

[48:41] Yeah.

[48:42] I know the plot line of Untamed Heart.

[48:46] Okay.

[48:47] Is this Christian Bale?

[48:48] No, it's Christian Slater.

[48:49] No, sorry.

Stuart Wellington

[48:49] Christian Slater.

[48:50] Okay, that's what I thought.

[48:51] Christian Bale plays the heart.

Elliott Kalan

[48:53] That sounds like too high class a Christian for this movie.

[48:56] No.

Dan McCoy

[48:58] I liked.

[48:59] The first one that came to mind is the High Fidelity soundtrack.

[49:02] I mean, I'm also like.

[49:05] You know, a child of the 90s.

[49:06] So I had, you know, like Pulp Fiction and Trainspotting and stuff like that.

Stuart Wellington

[49:10] The Crow, Judgment Night.

[49:11] Sure.

Hallie Haglund

[49:13] Tower Records.

[49:15] Now that.

[49:15] That was a good one.

Dan McCoy

[49:17] Now that I'm a middle-aged man who.

[49:19] Dang it, girl.

[49:19] Acquired a turntable a few years back.

[49:22] Speed?

[49:23] American Werewolf in Paris.

[49:26] I'm going to.

[49:27] As a middle-aged man, I'm going to bring up a movie that is all but forgotten.

[49:32] There's a movie called FM that is just like a double album of like album-oriented rock from the 70s that I'm like.

[49:40] I wouldn't want these individual records, but as a soundtrack, I love it.

Hallie Haglund

[49:45] Speaking of soundtracks, speaking of Forrest Gump.

[49:49] Yeah.

[49:49] Talk about an epic soundtrack.

[49:50] Yeah, that was a big thing.

Elliott Kalan

[49:51] There was a double album soundtrack that was in rotation a lot at my house growing up.

[49:54] The popular.

[49:55] All the classic rock that my parents loved to tell me was better than the music that came before or after it.

[50:02] Exactly.

Dan McCoy

[50:03] It was the American graffiti or Big Chill soundtrack of its day.

Stuart Wellington

[50:08] Yeah.

[50:09] And Elliot hears this and storms off in a huff wearing his Jenko jeans with his chain wallet dragging on the floor as he goes off to listen to his Slipknot.

Elliott Kalan

[50:18] Yeah, I think the audience understands pretty clearly that I'm a huge new metal and Slipknot fan.

[50:23] Yeah, I love it.

[50:24] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[50:25] You're a freak on a leash and we love that about you.

[50:28] So speaking of freaks on leashes, there's a moment in-

Elliott Kalan

[50:31] My favorite thing, I will say, I do like Slipknot for giving us the inspiration for the Conan O'Brien bit, The Slipknot.

[50:36] When it's just, I forgot who it was, John Glazer and the two other guys.

[50:40] And they just, there's peanut shells all over the ground and they're just slipping on them.

Stuart Wellington

[50:44] And they sing a song about how they're the Slipknot.

[50:47] Yeah.

[50:47] So there's a scene in Cat Person where Margo has a little, like a little bit of a date in her college classroom where Robert brings her some Fruity Pebbles, a specific type of Fruity Pebbles, and other snacks from 7-Eleven.

[51:05] Which, by the way, when I was in Australia, I heard a radio commercial for 7-Eleven, which pitched it as like, sick of having leftovers for lunch?

[51:14] You can just go to 7-Eleven.

[51:15] And I'm like, is this pitched to like 12-year-olds only?

[51:18] Eat what?

[51:19] Jerky?

Elliott Kalan

[51:21] You can get food at 7-Eleven.

[51:23] You can get hot dogs.

[51:24] You can get hot dogs and pretzel rolls on them.

[51:27] I know.

[51:27] You can get chicken wings.

[51:28] Nachos.

Dan McCoy

[51:29] One of those sandwiches that's on that like heater tray that you're like, I don't know.

[51:33] What is this?

[51:33] I guess I'm showing my food snobbery here.

Elliott Kalan

[51:35] Look, if you've never had to, if you've never traveled on Christmas and had to figure out what you're going to eat for dinner from a convenience store, then you're living a better life than I have.

[51:42] I mean, I've done it.

[51:43] Yeah, I'm just saying you shouldn't pitch it as a commercial.

Dan McCoy

[51:46] Yeah, advertising is going to be like, you know what?

[51:48] I am going to have lunch at 7-Eleven.

[51:50] Like, if you're having lunch at 7-Eleven, that is a choice made out of necessity.

[51:55] Yeah, because it's only leftovers otherwise.

Hallie Haglund

[51:57] I heard in Japan they have fresh sushi at 7-Elevens and they have to change it out every hour.

Stuart Wellington

[52:03] Oh, wow.

[52:04] Listeners, chime in.

[52:05] Let us know.

[52:06] Listeners to the Peach Pit.

[52:07] So, if somebody was trying to impress you much, if somebody was trying to set up a green flag in the old Dayton world, what breakfast cereal would they bring to you as a treat?

[52:21] That shows that they understand you or just get what you're craving.

[52:27] What breakfast cereal would somebody bring you?

Dan McCoy

[52:30] I mean, I don't know that any breakfast cereal would make me feel understood since it's not particularly a thing I don't think about.

Elliott Kalan

[52:36] I mean, there's one breakfast cereal that I like.

[52:38] It is the most boring one.

[52:39] It's called Morning Oat Crunch.

[52:41] And it's basically a replacement for Quaker Oat Squares, which got too sweet for me.

[52:47] And my wife does get it for me frequently.

[52:49] She knows I like to have a breakfast and snack on it.

[52:50] So, she does understand me.

[52:51] And I married the right lady.

[52:52] Sorry, ladies.

Dan McCoy

[52:55] I like, oh, go on, Hallie.

Hallie Haglund

[52:58] I would say Golden Grahams or Chex.

[53:01] Good one.

[53:02] Wheat Chex.

[53:03] I think Wheat Chex or Kix.

[53:07] Kid Tested Mother Approved.

Stuart Wellington

[53:08] Kix always scratch up the roof of my mouth too much.

[53:11] I have a sensitive upper mouth.

Hallie Haglund

[53:13] You know, I actually love Grape Nuts.

[53:15] You can't eat Grape Nuts solo.

Stuart Wellington

[53:17] I love Grape Nuts.

Hallie Haglund

[53:18] They're so good when they get good and soggy.

Stuart Wellington

[53:20] Uh-huh.

[53:21] And it's kind of gross.

[53:23] But I think that's because I enjoy a little like controlled discomfort.

Elliott Kalan

[53:29] Maybe if my prospective lover got me Captain Crunch, which I haven't had in a long time,

[53:33] but then fed it to me so my hands don't get sticky.

[53:36] Ah.

[53:36] Okay.

[53:36] Yeah.

[53:37] They would get extra points from me.

[53:39] Okay.

[53:39] Then they'd have to go wash their hands.

Stuart Wellington

[53:40] Somebody start drawing Dan feeding Elliot Captain Crunch.

Dan McCoy

[53:45] I like corn Chex because they kind of taste like, you know, like a tortilla chip that I like, but without the salt.

[53:55] What about Crispix?

[53:57] Crispix is good.

[53:58] Crispix are very good.

[53:59] Yeah.

[53:59] You get the corn.

[54:00] You got the rice.

[54:01] I also, if I want a little treat, maybe some honey bunches of oats.

[54:05] I like.

Elliott Kalan

[54:06] That's, I call it the best.

[54:07] Bunches of oats in this economy?

Dan McCoy

[54:09] Mm-hmm.

[54:10] You just get one oat.

Elliott Kalan

[54:12] We only have one oat.

[54:13] No honey.

[54:14] Sorry.

[54:16] Aw.

Stuart Wellington

[54:17] Now, there's a moment.

[54:18] There's a moment in the movie where they're talking about the movies they've seen the most, Margot and Robert.

[54:24] Robert, of course, has watched Empire Strikes Back a zillion times.

[54:28] Margot's favorite movie, most watched movie is Spirited Away.

[54:30] And we all kind of agree that Spirited Away feels like a movie that he would have seen.

Elliott Kalan

[54:37] Yeah.

[54:37] My guess is he should have started telling her facts about Miyazaki as if she didn't know anything about it.

Hallie Haglund

[54:44] Yeah.

[54:44] Mansplain.

[54:45] Miyazaki.

[54:46] Miyazakisplain.

Stuart Wellington

[54:47] And he has her.

[54:48] He's a man too.

[54:49] He has her kind of.

[54:50] He has her kind of pitched as somebody who loves foreign films, maybe cerebral films.

[54:57] So what.

[54:57] Or cerebral films if the X-Men are in them.

[54:59] Mm-hmm.

[55:00] Yep.

[55:01] Yep.

[55:03] So what movie should she have said is her most watched movie to kind of fit that bill a little better and also be a movie that he hasn't seen.

[55:13] Believably.

Dan McCoy

[55:16] Or.

[55:16] Oh, so we're rewriting.

Stuart Wellington

[55:18] What her favorite movie is.

[55:19] Yeah.

[55:20] We're rewriting.

[55:20] What is.

[55:21] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[55:22] Maybe like an Agnes Varda movie.

[55:24] That would be.

[55:25] That would work.

[55:26] If she was like, I really love.

[55:28] Probably.

[55:28] I probably have seen one sings the other doesn't more times than any other.

[55:32] And he'd be like, I don't know what that is.

[55:33] Oh.

[55:33] She's like, well, you know, it's a foreign movie.

[55:35] Oh, you like subtitled stuff.

[55:37] Oh, forget about.

[55:38] Yeah.

[55:38] Just like stuff with Han Solo shooting people and kissing babes.

[55:41] She.

[55:41] Mm-hmm.

[55:42] She really loves.

[55:42] Let me show you my script.

Dan McCoy

[55:44] She really loves certified copy.

[55:46] That's.

[55:46] What about.

Hallie Haglund

[55:47] What was that movie?

[55:48] Like fucking Ulna.

[55:50] Do you guys remember?

Dan McCoy

[55:51] I don't remember that.

[55:52] Fucking A Mall.

Hallie Haglund

[55:53] Is that what it was called?

[55:55] It's like a Swedish movie, I think.

Dan McCoy

[55:58] Yeah.

[55:58] I think that that's the one that you're thinking of.

[56:00] It's also.

[56:01] It's got another American title that.

[56:03] Yeah.

[56:03] Is less exciting.

[56:05] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[56:06] That one.

[56:08] Or.

[56:08] My Life is a Dog.

Dan McCoy

[56:09] My Life is a Dog.

[56:10] Yeah.

[56:11] I can see that.

Elliott Kalan

[56:12] I.

[56:13] Or.

[56:14] I could see her really liking Amelie, which is, again, was a big release.

[56:17] Yeah.

[56:18] But I could see that.

Dan McCoy

[56:19] Show Me Love was the American title.

Elliott Kalan

[56:21] What was the Swedish title?

Dan McCoy

[56:23] I mean, I don't know how to pronounce it.

[56:25] Do it.

[56:26] And try it.

[56:26] Try it best.

[56:27] Try it.

[56:27] No, it's A-M-A-L with little like, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[56:32] Fucking Ama, right?

Dan McCoy

[56:34] I probably.

[56:35] A-M-A-L.

[56:36] Ama?

[56:37] Yeah.

[56:37] Something like that.

[56:38] Oh, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[56:38] Or, you know what?

[56:38] Or like, Worst Person in the World.

[56:41] Yes.

[56:41] That's.

[56:42] Oh, I love Jakob Trier.

Elliott Kalan

[56:43] Yeah.

[56:44] But I could see that being one that she relates to, you know.

Stuart Wellington

[56:46] I actually, I watched Reprise on my flight back and cried a bunch.

[56:50] What a good movie.

[56:51] I don't see how to watch that again.

[56:52] Because I got like, if, I don't know what that director has with torturing Anders Denielsen

[56:57] Lai, but like every fucking movie this dude's in, you're like, uh-oh, I feel bad for him.

[57:01] Something bad's happened to this guy.

[57:03] I was going to say maybe something like In the Mood for Love.

[57:06] Oh, yeah.

[57:07] That's a good choice.

[57:07] That's a good movie I watched on my flight, which is, you know.

[57:10] Or Chungking Express.

[57:11] I could see that.

[57:12] Yeah.

[57:13] Necrophilia.

Elliott Kalan

[57:16] Or, Stu, you mentioned Chopping Mall earlier.

[57:18] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[57:19] Maybe she could have said Chopping Mall.

[57:22] I mean, it was snubbed for best score when it came out.

Dan McCoy

[57:25] She, of course, prefers the original title, though, Kill Bots.

[57:28] Yeah, yeah.

[57:29] Which shows that she's a real singer.

[57:30] She's like, I love foreign movies.

Elliott Kalan

[57:31] I'm really big on like Giallo.

[57:33] Like, have you seen The Bird with the Crystal Plumage?

[57:35] And he'd be like, what?

[57:37] That kind of stuff, yeah.

[57:39] Okay.

[57:40] Now.

[57:40] You like Giallo?

[57:41] No?

[57:42] Well, I do.

[57:43] But I meant the movies, the Italian movies, Giallo movies.

[57:46] I don't understand Italian movies.

[57:47] So like Il Postino?

[57:49] No.

[57:49] Not that one.

Dan McCoy

[57:51] Okay.

[57:51] So that's the first one that springs to his mind is Il Postino.

Elliott Kalan

[57:55] What Italian movie is going to come to his mind other than that?

Stuart Wellington

[57:57] You mean like Life is Beautiful?

[57:59] Like that?

[57:59] No.

[58:01] Uh-huh.

[58:01] Yep.

[58:02] No.

[58:02] Keep going.

[58:03] Okay.

[58:03] So as I mentioned.

[58:05] You mean like Big Night?

[58:06] No.

[58:07] It's not an Italian movie.

[58:08] They are Italian-Americans in the film.

[58:09] Mafia Mama?

Elliott Kalan

[58:11] You mean like Mafia Mama?

[58:12] Super Mario Brothers.

[58:14] Actually, that's what he would say.

[58:15] Italian movies like Super Mario?

[58:17] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[58:18] So as I mentioned, I was not on the episode cat person.

[58:22] But you've somehow managed to be on it.

[58:24] I've somehow managed to.

[58:25] And in fact, I will continue this because now I will do my final judgment.

[58:30] Oh, cool.

[58:32] Wow.

Elliott Kalan

[58:33] I'm going to say-

[58:34] So George Lucas, take this and insert it into the episode, I guess, for the release?

[58:38] Right.

Stuart Wellington

[58:38] Right.

[58:39] With a fucking speeder flying behind me and a couple of robots smoking death sticks.

[58:43] Yeah.

[58:43] I kind of love this.

[58:44] I'm curious.

[58:45] A robot that flies over and goes, uh-oh, and then flies away.

[58:49] So watching this movie, I, on a plane, was a somewhat uncomfortable experience, which I think is kind of what they're trying to go for.

[58:57] I was kind of glad that we weren't doing it, just the three of us dudes together talking about it.

[59:03] Yeah.

[59:03] And I didn't, listening to the episode, I feel like I liked it more.

[59:11] And it was, uh, I got a little more depth from the three of you.

[59:16] Uh, I will say that it feels like the, one of the primary themes of the movie, at least in the first, you know, two thirds, which is what, the majority of the short story is this, like the fear of somebody, uh, the fear of a woman, um, in a dating situation when, uh, you know, the communication is blurry and there's just like a general kind of threat element.

[59:39] And then it feels weird that the movie then in the final act makes her concerns, the, like her concerns and fears are what lead her to getting trapped in a house on fire.

[59:51] Like, it feels like it undercuts the message of like, women, trust your intuition.

[59:55] Cause in this case, they're like, women, your intuition might get you almost killed.

Elliott Kalan

[59:59] I think if it was a, the other thing, I think if it was a better movie, it would be more ambiguous about what it's trying to do.

[1:00:05] And it would be getting at, she has a reason to be afraid, but he also has a reason to be upset.

[1:00:10] And it drives them both to extremes that otherwise they wouldn't go to.

[1:00:16] But I feel like the movie using that Margaret Atwood quote at the beginning, it's so stacks the movie.

[1:00:20] It's so telegraphs how you're supposed to feel about it in a way that I think hurts it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:24] And there's a lot of like symbolism throughout, like sprinkled throughout very liberally.

[1:00:29] Yes.

[1:00:30] Talking about those themes.

[1:00:32] But I mean, I guess my final judgment is going to fit with the three of you, which is like, it doesn't quite fit our categories.

[1:00:38] I would say like somewhere between bad, bad and a movie I kind of liked.

[1:00:43] But with that in mind, you mentioned that it doesn't fit the categories.

[1:00:46] What would be better categories for the Flop?

[1:00:49] Oh, wow.

Dan McCoy

[1:00:52] Well, I mean, look, the categories, let's be honest, are a simple way to communicate with our audience.

[1:01:02] Like Siskel and Ebert, both, you know, neither one of them likes the idea of reducing.

[1:01:09] They didn't even have thumbs.

[1:01:11] Yeah, exactly.

[1:01:11] They didn't even have the thing.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:12] They used their penises, but they kind of arranged their hand around it so it looked like it was a thumb.

Dan McCoy

[1:01:17] Oh, okay.

[1:01:17] They didn't like reducing everything to a thumbs up or a thumbs down, but they knew that for branding, for the good of the show, it was an important thing to do.

[1:01:26] We're not even going that far because we will abandon our categories at the first sign of danger.

[1:01:33] But I don't know.

[1:01:35] I don't know that there are categories out there in the world that will encompass all art that we will encounter.

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:42] I'm going to propose.

[1:01:43] What about good, bad, or okay?

[1:01:46] Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't encompass all of it.

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:48] Sure, that does cover it.

[1:01:49] I'm going to propose categories that are specific for this kind of movie, which is successful at what it's trying to do, unsuccessful at what it's trying to do, or what it's trying to do is bad.

[1:01:59] Okay.

[1:02:00] So, like, some movies are successful at what they're trying to do and what they're trying to do is bad.

[1:02:04] Like that Sound of Freedom.

[1:02:06] Sound of Freedom.

[1:02:08] Was that it?

[1:02:09] Was that it?

[1:02:09] Where they were like, this guy is a hero.

[1:02:12] We're going to ignore that he might also be a child trafficker and stuff like that.

[1:02:17] That's apparently successful at what it's trying to do is bad.

[1:02:19] There's a movie like Cat Person, which I think is unsuccessful at what it's trying to do, even though I think what it's trying to do is quality.

[1:02:27] And then there's movies that they're successful at what they're trying to do, and it's a quality thing or a not quality thing, but it's still fun.

[1:02:35] You know, like Jurassic Park is successful at what it's trying to do, and Pulp Fiction is successful at what it's trying to do.

[1:02:44] And those are two different kinds of movies.

[1:02:46] And on Golden Pond is successful at what it's trying to do, and that's a different kind of movie.

[1:02:49] So I think those are categories I don't think we should necessarily use, but I'm going to pitch them as substitutes for when we're dealing with a movie that doesn't fall into good, bad, or good, bad categories.

Dan McCoy

[1:03:00] Yeah, I would agree that those are good ways to evaluate movies in general.

[1:03:07] But, you know, for our podcast, which, you know, has slowly drifted closer to actual film critique over the years, but in a lot of ways is searching for that high of the dumb, bad movie that is fun to watch.

[1:03:23] Like, we need to have that category in there that indicates, like, this is not successful at what it's trying to do necessarily, but it is a delight to experience.

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:30] Well, it's like I was re-listening to the—or listening for the first time, I didn't hear it before—to the Vanilla Ice episode that we released.

[1:03:37] The Coolest Ice episode from our live shows.

[1:03:40] And I'm like—the whole time I'm like, yeah, this movie is not successful at what it's trying to do, but is successful at doing a very different thing that I enjoyed greatly.

[1:03:48] So—and that thing is being ridiculous.

[1:03:50] So I guess you know what it means.

[1:03:53] You know what it is?

[1:03:54] We should take a page from Siskel and Ebert and just argue with each other more.

[1:03:59] I think that's what people are really here for, right?

[1:04:01] Yeah, that's what they love.

[1:04:02] We should—instead of being friends behind the scenes, we should not like each other that much behind the scenes.

[1:04:07] But instead, have a show where we argue with each other for years.

[1:04:10] Is that what we should do?

Dan McCoy

[1:04:12] That would make me very upset.

[1:04:14] That would make me sad.

[1:04:14] Dan, I've got a lot of friends I'm looking to downsize right now.

[1:04:17] It would make it a lot easier for me.

[1:04:18] We're on the chopping block.

[1:04:19] The slight amount of arguing that we already do already is just more than my heart can take.

Elliott Kalan

[1:04:25] Okay, then let's argue less and let's agree more.

[1:04:28] So, Dan, tell me how great my categories are again.

Dan McCoy

[1:04:30] Terrific.

[1:04:31] Amazing.

[1:04:32] Thanks.

[1:04:32] Four stars.

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:34] Thumbs up or thumbs down?

[1:04:35] Thumbs up.

[1:04:36] Oh, wow.

[1:04:37] To put a final bow on Cat Person, we have a little mini segment here called What Stuart

[1:04:42] Would Have Said.

[1:04:43] Okay.

[1:04:44] What's the things Stuart would have said had he been on the podcast?

[1:04:46] Sure.

[1:04:47] Okay, so there's a bit where you're talking about Into the Woods.

[1:04:50] Truly the victors get to rewrite history.

[1:04:52] Yeah.

[1:04:53] You're talking about Into the Woods and you say Sloths live in the woods.

[1:04:56] I would have said, hey, you guys, but in Sloth's voice.

[1:04:59] Yeah.

[1:05:00] There's a moment where Elliot mentions that.

Hallie Haglund

[1:05:02] Why don't you say it in his voice right now then?

[1:05:04] I don't know.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:05] I feel like I'd rather people just imagine it.

[1:05:07] I think in the moment it's easier for Stuart to make that mistake than pre-plans.

[1:05:12] So there's a moment where Elliot mentions seeing Hope Davis on the subway many times.

[1:05:18] And I feel like that's pretty thematically appropriate in a movie where a man kept stalking a woman

[1:05:23] and trying to set up a meet cute with her.

[1:05:24] I thought that was really cool of Elliot to say.

[1:05:26] I would ask more about these gump toilets.

[1:05:29] What's going on there?

[1:05:30] What's a gump toilet?

[1:05:32] It's a brand of port-a-potty.

[1:05:34] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:34] It's a LA brand of port-a-potty.

[1:05:36] I think it's national, but maybe it's just regional.

[1:05:38] You see them all over the place at construction sites here.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:41] Do they ever put them outside of a Bubba shrimp company so people can see the full digestion cycle?

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:48] They're like, oh, so Andy and Bubba must be brothers.

[1:05:51] Oh, interesting.

[1:05:52] No.

[1:05:52] Let's take a poop in here.

[1:05:54] It's just a conjunction of gumps or gump junction.

[1:05:56] It happens once every thousand years.

Stuart Wellington

[1:05:59] I would also mention that I also loved the sequence where she is in the bathroom and the wallpaper has all those paintings of women's faces and she kisses them.

[1:06:08] And it actually looks like other women have kissed the same wallpaper in different places.

[1:06:16] I thought that was really cool.

[1:06:19] Speaking of kisses, Elliot mentioned that he was very good at kissing and his wife might have joked that maybe that's why he was a member of the band Kiss or something.

[1:06:28] I don't remember the exact situation.

[1:06:30] And I was like, is that how the band Kiss got their name?

[1:06:33] Do you guys think they got their name because they were good at kissing?

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:36] They certainly thought they were good at kissing.

[1:06:37] They said they were made for loving you.

[1:06:40] But the corollary to that is that you were made for loving them.

[1:06:44] So perhaps they're only good at kissing each other and not outside people who are not created for loving each other.

Dan McCoy

[1:06:49] I'm guessing that there's too much.

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:51] That's one for the rabbis to answer, I suppose.

Dan McCoy

[1:06:53] I'm guessing there's too much tongue just based on square footage of tongue in.

[1:06:58] Kiss.

Stuart Wellington

[1:06:59] And weirdly enough, not enough face paint.

[1:07:03] And then finally, there was a moment where Elliot says the heart is the largest erogenous zone.

[1:07:08] And I would say, of course, what about my weenus?

[1:07:11] So that wraps up Cat Person.

[1:07:13] I'm glad you didn't let that opportunity pass by.

[1:07:17] We did.

[1:07:18] Yeah.

[1:07:18] Now, before we wrap things up here at the Peach Pit, we have Hallie Hagelin, star of the show on here.

[1:07:26] I think it's important that we do a little special Hallie segment and we look at all the movies that Hallie, all the episodes Hallie has been in.

[1:07:34] What I would like you to tell, I'm going to go down the list, Hallie, and I want you to tell me which one is the best movie, which is the worst movie, according to your recollection.

[1:07:45] Because some of these I have no memory of.

[1:07:47] And then which one you think might be the best episode.

[1:07:50] If somebody was like, I want to hear more Hallie Hagelin.

Dan McCoy

[1:07:53] And tell me which one you have no memory of.

[1:07:56] Because I'm betting there are many of them.

[1:07:58] I mean, that's probably most of them.

[1:07:59] Okay.

Stuart Wellington

[1:07:59] So I'm going to start at the beginning.

[1:08:01] Okay.

[1:08:02] Zookeeper.

[1:08:04] Rock of Ages.

[1:08:07] Upside Down.

[1:08:10] Battle of the Year.

[1:08:13] Temptation.

[1:08:14] Confessions of a Marriage Counselor.

[1:08:17] The Quiet Ones.

[1:08:19] That Awkward Moment.

[1:08:22] Left Behind.

[1:08:24] Ouija.

[1:08:26] The Choice.

[1:08:27] The Lazarus Effect.

[1:08:30] Fifty Shades Darker.

[1:08:32] The Dark Tower.

[1:08:34] The Wicker Man.

[1:08:36] Last Christmas.

[1:08:38] Me, you, madness.

[1:08:41] The Turning.

[1:08:42] Orphan.

[1:08:43] First Kill.

[1:08:45] Your Place or Mine.

[1:08:47] Mafia Mama.

[1:08:49] And now, Cat Person.

Hallie Haglund

[1:08:52] Okay.

[1:08:53] So I would say the worst movies were Upside Down and The Lazarus Effect.

[1:08:59] Okay.

[1:08:59] I would say the best movies were That Awkward Moment.

[1:09:08] Okay.

[1:09:08] Last Christmas.

[1:09:10] Uh-huh.

[1:09:10] And maybe just, I don't know.

[1:09:17] Yeah.

[1:09:18] Those two.

[1:09:19] But, and I think, you know, I really don't remember that well, but I would say in my head that I just feel in my soul that that Zookeeper episode was a good Hallie episode.

[1:09:31] Okay.

[1:09:32] That or Ouija, I would say.

Dan McCoy

[1:09:34] Well, yeah.

[1:09:34] I want to, yeah.

[1:09:35] If you didn't call it out, I wanted to say Audrey's a big fan of Hallie episodes and Ouija is one that she cites as a good episode.

Stuart Wellington

[1:09:44] I was really, I was really pulling for Mafia Mama to be listed in one of the best movies.

[1:09:47] Oh, no, I did.

[1:09:48] No, no, I, no.

Hallie Haglund

[1:09:49] I was going to say that one.

[1:09:51] Yes.

Elliott Kalan

[1:09:51] I would say that.

[1:09:52] I was going to say Mafia Mama, I was going to prod you with that at the end, but I was like, I don't want to mansplain to Hallie about what movies she likes.

Hallie Haglund

[1:09:58] I actually did forget that.

[1:10:00] Yes.

[1:10:01] Mafia Mama would be among my favorite movies.

[1:10:03] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:04] There's definitely a couple of.

[1:10:04] And then all the rest I don't remember.

[1:10:06] Yeah.

[1:10:07] There's a couple of stinkers in here.

[1:10:09] There's a couple of stinkers.

[1:10:10] Although, Miu Madness is an artifact worth experience.

[1:10:15] That's the one that.

[1:10:15] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[1:10:15] I remember that one.

[1:10:16] That's the.

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:18] The wife of the secretary of the treasury.

Hallie Haglund

[1:10:20] Exactly.

[1:10:20] But, but you know what one?

[1:10:22] I didn't remember, but that I feel like I was like, oh, that sounds like something I'd like.

[1:10:27] Was the, what, what was the like.

Stuart Wellington

[1:10:30] Temptation Confessions of a Marriage Counselor.

Hallie Haglund

[1:10:32] Exactly.

[1:10:33] Yes.

Dan McCoy

[1:10:34] What was that?

[1:10:34] I don't, I wasn't on that episode.

[1:10:36] That was one of the Tyler Perry movies.

[1:10:41] Oh, yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[1:10:41] Kim Kardashian was in that.

[1:10:44] What's the one with.

[1:10:44] She was like the secretary.

Elliott Kalan

[1:10:45] What's the one with Beyonce and Idris Elba?

[1:10:50] No, wait.

[1:10:50] I was on this episode.

[1:10:52] I believe.

[1:10:53] Obsessed.

[1:10:54] Yeah, I don't think I was in Temptations of a, this marriage counselor's confession.

[1:10:58] What's it called?

Stuart Wellington

[1:10:58] Temptation.

[1:10:59] Temptation colon Confessions of a Marriage Counselor.

[1:11:02] Hmm.

Hallie Haglund

[1:11:04] Yeah, I remember that one.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:05] I don't think I was on that one.

Hallie Haglund

[1:11:07] Because, yeah, that's the first time I saw Kim Kardashian in a movie.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:09] Elle, you've been on a lot of episodes and you've enriched all of them.

Hallie Haglund

[1:11:12] Oh, thank you.

[1:11:13] You've truly earned your starring role.

[1:11:15] It's been an honor.

[1:11:15] It's been an honor, guys.

[1:11:17] And then to be on the Peach Pit.

[1:11:19] Come on.

Stuart Wellington

[1:11:20] And to be on the Peach Pit.

[1:11:22] Oh, man.

[1:11:22] I'm so happy to have you.

[1:11:24] And obviously, also, thank you so much to my other guests, Dan McCoy and Elliot Kalen.

Elliott Kalan

[1:11:29] It's always great to be on the Peach Pit.

[1:11:31] I love every time.

[1:11:32] It's rare that you get to be on a fan podcast that is hosted by one of the people involved in the original show.

[1:11:39] Unless it's The Office, I guess.

[1:11:41] In which case, they do that.

[1:11:42] Or Scrubs.

Hallie Haglund

[1:11:43] Or now they have one for the do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

[1:11:51] Oh, Curb Your Enthusiast?

[1:11:52] Yeah.

[1:11:52] Oh, really?

[1:11:53] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:11:54] Who are the hosts of that podcast?

Hallie Haglund

[1:11:56] Susie Essman and Jeff Garland are doing it.

Stuart Wellington

[1:11:58] Okay.

[1:11:59] Okay.

[1:11:59] That sounds fun.

[1:12:01] I mean, obviously, you know, I'm not only a fan of the show.

[1:12:04] I'm one of the owners.

[1:12:09] Of Curb Your Enthusiasm?

[1:12:10] No, of the Flophouse.

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:12] Oh, of the Pop Flophouse.

[1:12:13] Yeah, right.

[1:12:13] In the Peach Pit.

[1:12:14] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:12:14] Yeah, sure.

[1:12:15] Now, since you guys were so nice to come on my show, do you have any plugs?

[1:12:20] Do you have anything you'd like to plug?

Dan McCoy

[1:12:21] Well, I'd like to plug the MaxFunDrive.

[1:12:24] Okay.

[1:12:25] Insert that here.

[1:12:26] Yeah.

[1:12:26] Before we go, just one more word about the MaxFunDrive.

[1:12:30] If you've never been a MaxFun member, try it out at just $5 a month.

[1:12:34] Enjoy the bonus content.

[1:12:35] If you're already a member and you'd like to support even just a little more, we'd certainly

[1:12:39] appreciate you upgrading your membership or boosting it by a few dollars per month or so.

[1:12:45] Just going to remind some of the thank you gifts that you can only get for the two weeks of MaxFunDrive.

[1:12:51] There's our cool enamel collectible pen for the Flophouse in which Werner Herzog is saying his famous catchphrase,

[1:12:59] I'm a bad widow boy, according to us.

Elliott Kalan

[1:13:03] Heard on the set of Fitzgerald many times.

Dan McCoy

[1:13:07] We'll put it up on our social media accounts so you can see it, or you can go to MaximumFun.org to join or upgrade your membership.

[1:13:15] You can get a picture of it there as well.

[1:13:17] Other levels have great gifts like there's a chess set or because it's a pledge drive, you know there's a tote bag in there.

[1:13:26] That's my pitch, but I want to close with this.

[1:13:28] I know that not everyone who enjoys the show can afford to give $5 a month.

[1:13:33] We totally get that.

[1:13:34] If you're one of those people, we appreciate you listening, and if you have the energy, we'd love it if you could help in other ways,

[1:13:40] like spreading the word about our show to new listeners.

[1:13:43] But if you love the show and you can give $5 a month, becoming a member will not only help us here at the Flophouse,

[1:13:51] it'll help those folks who enjoy the show but can't support it right now.

[1:13:56] So if you join or upgrade, you're also helping a fellow listener.

[1:13:59] A lot of things in the world are shitty right now, so why not put your money towards something that hopefully brings joy to yourself and others

[1:14:05] without all the usual lousy crap that goes along with, I don't know, the stuff you can get in this world.

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:12] Always standing positively.

[1:14:14] Classic salesmanship from Dan McCoy.

Dan McCoy

[1:14:17] Shows like us can exist still under this model, even if major advertisers don't see a profit in us,

[1:14:26] but only because people like you support it.

[1:14:30] We can continue to make the show the way we want to make it for you to enjoy,

[1:14:34] and in return, we hope that you will support the art and entertainment that you enjoy,

[1:14:38] because if you don't, who will?

[1:14:41] So, one last time, if you can, please go to MaximumFun.org slash join to support this and other shows that you love,

[1:14:49] and I'll sign off by saying thank you.

[1:14:52] We really appreciate the kind, giving, and supportive audience that's you guys that allow us to do this show.

[1:15:01] Hallie?

Hallie Haglund

[1:15:02] I'd like to, no, check out my Substack.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:10] Yeah, sure.

[1:15:11] You said that like it's a joke, but that's a really good newsletter.

Hallie Haglund

[1:15:14] Yeah, yeah.

[1:15:15] Check out my newsletter.

[1:15:16] That hurts my feelings.

[1:15:19] Yeah, that's great.

[1:15:21] Live on Substack.

Dan McCoy

[1:15:23] I read it immediately upon publication.

[1:15:26] I do too.

Stuart Wellington

[1:15:26] I would also like to give a special shout out to all the Flap House fans who came out for the, like,

[1:15:34] impromptu meetup I did out in Melbourne.

[1:15:38] It was a ton of fun, and it was really nice to get to catch up with some folks while I was there.

[1:15:43] And also, thanks again to everybody who DM'd me recommendations of restaurants and bars to hit in the various towns I went to.

[1:15:51] I ate and drank like a maniac.

[1:15:53] So many oat flat whites.

[1:15:55] So many mezcal Negronis.

[1:15:57] It's coming out my pores.

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:59] And I'd like to take a moment to say no thank you to all the Flap House fans in Milburn, my hometown where I was recently, and no one came out to see me.

[1:16:07] Maybe because I didn't tell anyone I was going to be there.

[1:16:09] Yeah, yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[1:16:12] Elliot doesn't have the same, you know, unceasing desire for adulation of fans.

[1:16:22] So this Peach Bit is, of course, a Flap House podcast property.

[1:16:27] The Flap House is part of the MaxFun Podcast Network.

[1:16:29] Thank you so much for listening.

[1:16:31] There's a ton of other great podcasts.

[1:16:33] It's part of the MaxFun Drive right now.

[1:16:34] So you should definitely check out these shows and support us.

[1:16:37] Our show is produced by Alex Smith.

[1:16:40] He makes this sound great every week.

[1:16:43] Check it out.

[1:16:44] He loves the Peach Bit.

[1:16:46] And, yeah, so I've been Stuart Wellington.

[1:16:48] Thanks so much for listening.

[1:16:49] Bye.

[1:16:51] Maximum Fun.

[1:16:57] A worker-owned network.

S6

[1:16:58] Of artist-owned shows.

[1:17:00] Supported.

[1:17:01] Directly.

[1:17:02] By you.

FH Mini 99 - The Peach Pit Welcomes Hallie!

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