FH Mini 128 - Listener Roulette, with Hallie Haglund

Dan McCoy

[0:00] Hey everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:07] Hey, Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:09] You know, you guys haven't met me before, but it's time that we shared names as well.

[0:13] I'm Elliot Kalin, and joining us once again, two weeks in a row, by popular demand,

[0:18] who is it but the star of the show herself,

Hallie Haglund

[0:21] Ally Hagelin!

Elliott Kalan

[0:24] And what's your song?

Hallie Haglund

[0:25] Beautiful.

Dan McCoy

[0:32] Okay, so, you know, if you're a regular listener, or if not, you know,

[0:37] you're a first-timer.

[0:38] Our main thing that we do is we watch a bad movie, and then we talk about it.

[0:42] And what movie are we watching today, Dan?

[0:44] No, no, that was a wind-up to say that that's not what we're doing this week.

[0:48] Every other week, we do what we call a Flophouse Mini,

[0:52] a slightly shorter version of the show, where we just sort of freestyle it.

[0:57] And this time, I'm in charge.

[1:00] Oh, Dan makes the world.

[1:00] You're in my rules, yeah.

[1:02] Watch out, the Danager is here.

[1:04] Oh no, Lawnmower Dan.

[1:06] Although, in this episode, am I in charge?

[1:11] Because I'm going to do a little thing.

[1:13] I don't know what to believe anymore.

Elliott Kalan

[1:14] I don't know what's going on.

[1:17] I'm so lost.

Dan McCoy

[1:19] This is a new thing we're going to do called, it's a Blue Sky Roulette.

[1:24] Over on Blue Sky, where we have a Flophouse account.

[1:28] We're off the bad place.

[1:30] We are at Blue Sky now for all the, you know, short little things that we post.

[1:36] Yeah, we're going to be riffing on some skeets here.

[1:38] Well, I asked our followers for things that they would like us to talk on.

[1:45] Like, possible topics that would be good for a mini.

[1:48] I took the first 20 or so.

[1:51] I put them in a list.

[1:53] We're going to do a little roulette.

[1:54] We're going to pick four at random.

[1:57] And, you know, just chat about these a little bit.

[2:00] So, I'm going to tap my randomizer app.

[2:05] Oh, yeah.

[2:06] Game Master's in charge.

[2:07] Tap that app.

[2:09] Yeah, make that happen.

[2:13] What live action movies could be better as an animated feature?

Elliott Kalan

[2:19] Snow White.

[2:21] How to Train Your Dragon.

[2:22] The Little and Stitch.

[2:23] Beauty and the Beast.

[2:24] The Jungle Book.

[2:26] The Lion King.

[2:27] Uh-huh.

[2:28] Yeah, that's true.

[2:29] The Lion King 2.

[2:30] That, even as an animated film, I think would have its issues.

[2:33] Yeah, yeah.

[2:33] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[2:36] Black Cauldron.

[2:37] No, I think you got the best ones.

[2:40] I think a lot of people have made the point over the years that, you know, one of the best

[2:45] versions of a superhero movie we've gotten is The Incredibles because there's certain things

[2:50] that you can do in animation that you can't do as well.

[2:55] Or the Spider-Verse movies.

[2:56] Yeah, the Spider-Verse movies are some of the best.

Stuart Wellington

[2:58] Those are wrong, though, because the best superhero movie is still Spider-Man 2.

Elliott Kalan

[3:01] It's still Spider-Man 2.

[3:02] But when you look at the average, you know, the average for those movies.

[3:05] Yeah, yeah.

[3:05] I would argue that I think the Harry Potter movies would be better as animated movies than

[3:09] as live action movies.

[3:10] If only because the live action movies, even the best of them that I've seen at least,

[3:14] have a certain cheapness in the look about them.

[3:16] Like, it all looks very, um...

[3:19] Except for part three.

[3:20] Except even parts of part three.

[3:22] There's parts where I'm like, I wish there was either more scale to this or it was like,

[3:26] looked darker or I don't know.

[3:28] Like, I feel like there's more you can do in animation to make the magic look cool.

[3:32] But it would be 2D animation.

[3:33] Not CGI.

[3:34] Hold on a second.

[3:35] I'm talking about a 2D animated Harry Potter movie.

[3:37] And it's called The Page Master.

Dan McCoy

[3:41] Yeah.

[3:42] It's funny that you say that, Ellie, because I'm of an age.

[3:47] I'm old enough that I automatically was thinking about 2D animation.

[3:52] Yeah.

[3:52] Even though it is by far the outlier now.

[3:57] Yes.

[3:57] For it to not be computer animation.

Elliott Kalan

[3:59] But there have been...

[4:00] I've seen a number of computer animated movies now that have 2D animated sequences.

[4:04] And there's always something really exciting and really, like, fun about them.

[4:08] You know?

[4:08] So there's room for both.

[4:09] There's room for CGI movies and 2D movies.

[4:12] But that's one that I would think of maybe, you know?

Dan McCoy

[4:15] Extremely strange to me that all the, you know, the animation houses were like,

[4:20] well, guesses of the future now.

[4:22] Toss all the rest of these animators out in the trash.

Elliott Kalan

[4:24] Well, it was the short-sightedness of, that we're seeing again, of technology can replace people.

[4:31] And then finding, like, oh, it turns out the technology is actually far more expensive than the people were.

[4:37] Yeah.

[4:38] But there's always the hope that you can replace them with something that will just be a machine that keeps working forever.

[4:43] But let's move on.

Dan McCoy

[4:44] You have Miyazaki.

[4:46] You have so much institutional knowledge at that point, too.

[4:49] Like, that's not just the people themselves.

[4:52] It's, like, the built-up knowledge that they're just like, and now bulldoze it.

Elliott Kalan

[4:57] Now, I don't want anyone to take this as an endorsement on my part of the Harry Potter stories, which I don't like particularly.

[5:02] But that is a series that I think would function better as animated than live action.

[5:07] It's safe.

[5:07] What do you guys think?

[5:08] What do you guys think?

Dan McCoy

[5:09] Well, I've said some things.

[5:11] I don't know.

[5:11] Maybe, like, John Wick.

Stuart Wellington

[5:13] Really?

[5:14] No, that's not true.

[5:15] But I feel like I'm surprised there isn't, like, a John Wick animated series.

Dan McCoy

[5:18] I mean, I would love to see more just straight-up action done in animation.

[5:25] Like, at this point that so many action films have reached a point where, like, physics don't matter.

[5:33] Like, let's really take it to a world where that kind of feels more interesting than just, like, faking it in, quote-unquote, real world.

[5:43] But Hallie has a pondering look on her.

Elliott Kalan

[5:46] I mean, you mentioned Harry Riley in the last episode.

Hallie Haglund

[5:50] No, keep that live action.

Elliott Kalan

[5:52] Oh, yeah, because you want to see that malk?

[5:53] Yeah.

[5:56] Got malk?

[5:57] That's Hallie.

[6:03] No.

[6:03] She wanted to say Aaron Burr on that radio contest, but your mouth was full of malk, so she didn't say it.

[6:09] Sorry, Hallie, that was disgusting.

[6:11] No.

Dan McCoy

[6:14] Only when you think about it.

Elliott Kalan

[6:16] Only when you – if you don't think about things, they're rarely as disgusting as when you think about it.

[6:21] You don't think about them then.

[6:23] The world is a lot better when you don't think about it.

Hallie Haglund

[6:25] I was trying to think of – I don't know.

[6:27] I don't really like animated stuff.

Dan McCoy

[6:30] Wow.

[6:30] So we learned last week you don't like fights, singing, dancing.

[6:35] Now you don't like animation.

[6:36] What do you like in movies, Hallie?

[6:39] Tears.

Elliott Kalan

[6:41] Tears?

[6:41] Tears.

[6:42] You like a realistic movie about people – I mean, like, was it His Three Daughters?

[6:46] That's probably a movie you love, right?

[6:48] Yeah, I love that movie.

[6:48] It was great.

Hallie Haglund

[6:49] I remember Stuart recommended that one time.

[6:52] Yeah.

[6:52] Stuart loved it.

[6:52] That's great.

[6:53] That would make it better animated, though.

Stuart Wellington

[6:55] Oh, it would be hilarious.

Hallie Haglund

[6:57] I was trying to think of, like, what's just a movie that would make no sense in animation but would be kind of cool.

[7:07] I was trying to think of, like, a rom-com or something that might be fun.

[7:12] How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days animated.

Dan McCoy

[7:15] You know, I was going to say, like, Hallie likes a realistic movie like Three Men and a Baby because we did that in L.A.

[7:22] And she really had a kick.

[7:24] And so at first I thought she only liked movies with three in the title, Three Daughters, Three Men and a Baby.

[7:29] But now she says How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days.

[7:32] So apparently she likes numerals.

[7:33] As long as there's numbers.

Hallie Haglund

[7:34] Yeah.

[7:35] I was also thinking would Look Who's Talking be a good animated movie?

[7:41] And then I was like, hell no.

[7:42] That would take the whole fun out of it.

Dan McCoy

[7:44] Yeah, that's basically Boss Baby at that point.

Hallie Haglund

[7:46] Yeah.

[7:46] No, thank you.

Dan McCoy

[7:48] Yeah.

[7:48] But a big hit.

[7:50] Hallie could have made Boss Baby.

[7:52] You could have made Boss Baby, Hallie, yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[7:54] I could have made Boss Baby, but I'm playing.

Dan McCoy

[8:00] All right.

[8:00] Well, let's move on to a different.

[8:03] I'm going to hit that random.

[8:04] I'm going to tap that app.

[8:06] Tap the app.

[8:07] Yeah.

[8:07] Okay.

[8:08] What do we got here?

[8:09] Okay.

[8:09] Here's a topic.

[8:11] What movies should be made into video games?

[8:14] What movies shouldn't?

[8:15] God damn it.

[8:15] What kind of game would you pitch if you were hired to adapt Eraserhead?

[8:21] Hmm.

[8:23] Hmm.

Elliott Kalan

[8:24] I feel like Eraserhead works pretty well as one of those games where you just kind of wander around and creepy things are there.

[8:28] But you're not really doing much of anything.

Dan McCoy

[8:30] No, it's one of those already indie games where stuff doesn't happen.

Elliott Kalan

[8:33] Yeah.

[8:34] Yeah.

[8:35] History Daughters.

[8:36] That kind of works as a game where you have to navigate conversations.

Stuart Wellington

[8:39] Yeah, I mean, there's three daughters would be a great side-scrolling game where, like, beat them up where you're, like, jumping over, like, I don't know, like, boyfriends.

Elliott Kalan

[8:48] Yeah, you're like, how big is this apartment?

[8:50] So you choose from which of the three daughters you're going to be.

[8:52] Each one has a different ability.

[8:54] Platforming.

[8:54] Yeah, you got a platform.

[8:56] You're just side-scrolling through the apartment the whole time.

Stuart Wellington

[8:58] Yeah, what are the different abilities?

[8:59] They have different abilities.

[9:00] The daughters.

[9:01] Well, Natasha Lyonne has that raspy voice.

[9:04] So that's an ability?

[9:05] Uh-huh.

[9:05] Yes.

[9:06] That's why I listen to it.

Dan McCoy

[9:07] What does it do?

[9:08] These are your stats.

[9:09] Like, what is the—

Hallie Haglund

[9:10] Elizabeth Olsen is yoga.

Dan McCoy

[9:13] Yeah.

[9:13] She does yoga.

[9:14] She's like Dulcine.

Elliott Kalan

[9:15] She's like Dulcine.

[9:16] She can stretch.

[9:17] Yeah, yeah.

[9:18] Does, like, Carrie Coon super uptight?

[9:21] Yeah.

[9:21] But she makes a salad, right?

[9:22] So that's something.

Stuart Wellington

[9:23] She does make a salad.

[9:24] That is something.

[9:25] Yeah.

[9:25] So she can chuck guys up.

[9:26] Natasha Lyonne smokes weed outside.

[9:28] That's part of it.

[9:30] She likes baseball.

Hallie Haglund

[9:31] I feel like she doesn't put out a wine bottle.

[9:32] She's, like, breaking bottles and—

Elliott Kalan

[9:34] Yeah, yeah, I love it.

[9:35] Sticking them in your face.

[9:36] I feel like I understand the bonus rounds better than the actual game

[9:38] gameplay, where with Natasha Lyonne, it's like,

[9:41] how many puffs can you take on this before you get told by the security

[9:44] guy that you've got to stop because you can't do it outside?

[9:46] With Carrie Coon, it's like, you've got to chop up the salad really fast,

[9:50] you know, in a certain amount of time.

[9:51] It's like the Karate Kid video game where you had to catch flies with

[9:54] chopsticks for the bonus round.

[9:56] Or Street Fighter when you're breaking that car.

Stuart Wellington

[9:59] Or like in Jaws where you have to ram Jaws with the front of your ship after you

[10:02] shock him out of the water.

Elliott Kalan

[10:03] And with Elizabeth Olsen, it's like moving between yoga positions, maybe, quickly, you

[10:08] know.

Dan McCoy

[10:10] Yeah.

[10:10] This is pretty good.

[10:11] Still haven't seen the movie, but I assume this is all great stuff.

Elliott Kalan

[10:14] I mean, this is pretty—I mean, you got it right now.

[10:16] You pretty much have found it.

[10:17] And the end boss is the dad.

[10:20] The end boss of the game is you have to defeat the dad.

[10:22] Yeah.

[10:22] Yeah, of course.

[10:23] He rises up.

[10:24] He's basically dead.

Stuart Wellington

[10:25] Yeah.

[10:25] I mean, yeah, it's just like I was just playing Sekiro where you have to fight your dad a

[10:29] couple times.

[10:30] And he's such an asshole, but you beat him.

[10:32] And he like finally respects you.

[10:33] It's great.

[10:34] What a game.

[10:34] Okay.

[10:35] Sekiro.

[10:36] Sekiro, yeah, yeah.

[10:37] You're the one-armed wolf and he throws poison on you and you're like, what the hell,

[10:41] dad?

[10:42] But that's all—you know, that's the double-edged sword of shinobi.

[10:45] You know what I mean?

[10:46] I don't.

[10:47] I don't know what you mean at all.

Hallie Haglund

[10:49] Do you guys—did you guys ever watch the show Terrace House?

[10:52] It was like a Japanese reality show.

[10:53] I remember hearing about it, but I didn't see it.

Dan McCoy

[10:54] I tried to watch it because our network mates had a podcast.

[11:02] Griffin McElroy loved that show.

[11:04] And I'm like, oh, that sounds interesting.

[11:05] And then I immediately was like, this is not for me.

[11:07] But you watched it?

Hallie Haglund

[11:08] I loved it.

[11:09] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[11:09] Yeah.

[11:10] But I also—

[11:11] What's the premise of Terrace House for those of us who aren't familiar?

Hallie Haglund

[11:13] It's sort of like Big Brother, except they can leave.

[11:16] It's just like a bunch of people living in a—well, it's like the real world.

[11:19] People stop acting polite and start getting real.

[11:22] And in Japan, that's very polite.

[11:23] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[11:24] If you stop acting polite and start getting real in Japan, it is a big time.

[11:28] Yeah.

[11:28] They get slightly less polite.

Hallie Haglund

[11:30] Yeah.

[11:30] No.

[11:30] They're like—but it's so—I mean, it ended horribly.

[11:34] There was like an online bullying thing that led to a person's suicide.

[11:39] It's terrible.

[11:40] I wish you told us that before we started making fun of it.

[11:42] It's awful.

[11:43] And so they stopped the show.

[11:44] Yeah.

[11:45] But until then, it's like very bizarre that that happened with this show because it's

[11:49] so—it's like so relaxing.

[11:52] Everybody is so nice to each other.

[11:54] Like the things that they talk about are actually—they're actually like meaningful conversations about like,

[12:01] this is—I don't want to disappoint my parents by choosing this career path, but this is my passion.

[12:08] I want to make comics.

[12:09] And so I was thinking that would be a really fun video game.

[12:14] Yeah.

[12:15] Yeah.

[12:16] But—

[12:17] What type of game?

Stuart Wellington

[12:18] What do you do as the player?

[12:19] Just like sit around and talk.

Hallie Haglund

[12:21] I love this.

[12:22] There aren't enough video games like that.

Elliott Kalan

[12:23] I mean, there's going to be a lot more considering Mark Zuckerberg the other day was like,

[12:26] people don't have enough friends, but we think that is AI can fill that role.

[12:30] It's like, this is the worst world.

[12:31] We're living in the bad world.

Dan McCoy

[12:33] Yeah.

[12:34] You can just talk to an imaginary person who might slowly, you know, ruin your mental health, possibly.

Elliott Kalan

[12:40] And is extracting information from you so that we can sell you to advertisers.

[12:45] You know, it's the—there's no good side to that.

[12:47] There's no good side to—you know what?

[12:49] There is one good side.

[12:50] I could see—except that it would inevitably be used to scam them, like the lonely elderly, you know?

[12:56] I could see them having their digital friends, but—

Dan McCoy

[12:58] You should get your imaginary friends the old-fashioned way through podcasting.

Elliott Kalan

[13:02] That's how.

[13:02] My old roommate, Brian Chan, once told me about a—he's a video game guy, and they were trying to—he was reading a thing about people—

[13:10] Trying to—

[13:11] Video game guy like Solid Snake or Mario or what?

[13:14] Yeah, exactly.

[13:14] Yeah, yeah.

[13:15] Oh, yeah, he's a Mario.

[13:15] Is he Wario or Waluigi?

[13:17] Little Mac?

[13:17] He's a Waluigi, yeah.

[13:18] Is he Gooey?

[13:19] But he was talking about—he was talking about—this video game designer was talking about his idea for a game for the elderly, which was he would give them like an electronic pet, like a robot cat or dog.

[13:29] And when it was only them and the old person around, it would start to talk to them.

[13:33] But it wouldn't talk to them when there were other people around and start to tell them to go to places.

[13:37] And when they would go to that place, other old people with robot pets would be led to that place too.

[13:41] And then you'd make friends in real life.

[13:43] You'd kind of be tricked by your sneaky pet into going to a place where you could make a friend in real life.

Dan McCoy

[13:48] It began so horrifying, but then the sudden twist into like kind of being nice surprised me.

Elliott Kalan

[13:54] And I feel like this is kind of like that, except instead of saying go to this other place and meet these people, it's saying give me your money and it'll be great, you know.

[14:03] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[14:04] It's a bad reason.

[14:04] You know, find third spaces, people.

[14:07] Go to one of Stuart's bars.

[14:08] Yes, please.

[14:08] Go to my bars.

Elliott Kalan

[14:09] So to make a long story short, that my Dinner with Andre video game from The Simpsons, always wanted to play that.

Dan McCoy

[14:14] Okay.

[14:15] Well, let's do one more of these before taking a short break to hear a word from our sponsor.

[14:22] And this, okay.

[14:23] Number 12.

[14:24] Let me just scroll down.

[14:26] Pardon me as I burp.

[14:28] How do you approach...

[14:29] Jerk pork.

[14:30] Strikes again.

[14:31] Yeah, I had some jerk pork.

[14:32] How do you approach getting into a new realm of pop culture, like a fantasy series, genre of music, era of movies, et cetera?

[14:40] How do you start?

[14:41] How do you expand?

[14:42] How do you decide what's next?

[14:44] What's next?

[14:45] I mean, I don't usually make a plan, although, like, I mean, sometimes...

[14:50] That squares.

[14:51] Well, but it's like, you know, if you're getting into something, it's like an organic process, right?

[14:57] You're like, you see something that sparks your interest.

[15:00] You encounter one piece of this, like, type of art.

[15:04] And then you're like, okay, like, let me follow this rabbit hole.

[15:09] And then that involves, I don't know, like, Googling, like, what's good in this?

[15:15] What are the best things in this?

[15:19] Like, the experts, what do they say?

[15:22] You know, like, I don't know.

[15:24] I was saying to a friend recently, every once in a while, I'm like, I'm going to get into old science fiction novels.

[15:31] But then my...

[15:32] You've been trying to do that for a while, yeah.

[15:33] Yeah, my fugue state, my ADHD fugue state that I'm in then dissipates and I don't do it.

[15:39] But I asked Elliot, because I'm like, who knows about this?

[15:41] Elliot.

[15:42] Elliot Kalin.

[15:43] So that's my thing.

[15:44] I ask Elliot.

Stuart Wellington

[15:45] Yeah, well, like, asking a friend who is a little more, has a little more background in the area, I think is a pretty natural way to start.

Elliott Kalan

[15:54] Yeah, I think there's a, something to avoid, and this is something I used to fall into and I'm trying not to anymore, is confusing getting into a thing with mastering it and knowing everything about it and being really comprehensive.

[16:06] And I feel like I used to be one of these people who it's like, I really liked this one book by this writer.

[16:10] I'm now going to read every single book that that writer wrote, so I'll have read their entire bibliography.

[16:15] Or, I need to know everything about this kinds of movie.

[16:17] And I find I enjoy it more when I just, like dancing, I kind of let things happen a little more organically and I don't feel like I need to know everything.

[16:23] Like, I love, as people know, I love Czech New Wave films and I'm constantly discovering new ones that I didn't know anything about.

[16:30] And there was a time in my life when I would be frustrated by that.

[16:33] And now I'm trying to feel more like, oh no, okay, I don't need to have seen every single one of these movies to be a fan of it.

[16:39] And I can just discover them.

[16:40] And if I discover a new one, I don't have to immediately make that the top priority to check it off my list.

[16:45] But in general, I like to, yeah, if there's a thing that I like, then I'll look out another thing like it or I'll ask somebody, what's another one of these?

[16:53] And I found that there's one, the only algorithm that works for me in doing this kind of thing is if I like, if there's a new kind of music that I'm not familiar with or music that's new to me, that listening to it on YouTube tends to bring me more things that I like that aren't even necessarily the same as that, but are kind of similar.

[17:10] That's the one algorithm that works for me is YouTube's music algorithm.

[17:14] But everything else is just a matter of like trying to stumble on things.

[17:16] You know, if I, if I'm in a, I love to go to used bookstores and I always look at their science fiction section and I always want to buy a couple of science fiction paperbacks that I know nothing about.

[17:25] And that's opened up a lot for me in that world, you know, where it's like, oh, I never even heard of this thing.

[17:30] Let me try it.

[17:31] What's this cover about?

[17:32] This looks, this is nuts.

[17:34] All right, I'll try it.

[17:34] It's good.

[17:35] So, you know, just stump, letting yourself stumble on stuff rather than actively pursuing it, feeling like you need to become a master of it, you know?

Stuart Wellington

[17:41] Yeah, that used to be my, I mean, back in the video store days, that used to be arguably one of my favorite things to do with friends.

[17:48] We would go in and we would go through the horror movie section and try and find the ones with the craziest covers that we had not seen yet.

[17:55] And then we would rent like a stack of a bunch of them, stay up all night, drink a Mountain Dew, smoking weed, watching these movies.

[18:02] And it was great.

[18:03] That's time of my life right there.

[18:05] Pizza rolls, hell yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[18:08] That Stuart's tip is if you're trying to get into something, pizza rolls.

[18:11] Pizza rolls, baby.

Dan McCoy

[18:12] Stuart, that script that I just sent you, I wrote in some pizza rolls in there.

Stuart Wellington

[18:16] I'm now very excited that you're going to.

[18:17] Oh, yummy.

Stuart Wellington

[18:17] Yeah, yeah.

[18:18] I can't wait to bite into it.

[18:20] I'm the same way.

[18:21] I'm going to say real quick, I'm also the same way where I have a tendency to like rabbit hole myself and I get in a little, like I have a tendency to get in too deep.

[18:28] And I've been trying to get better about, especially if I find something that I like, to not rush and try and watch or read all the things by that person or in that vein.

[18:38] Because it is fun to have those things later on when I'm like, no, I'm in the mood to watch this super sad thing that I know I'm going to connect with.

[18:46] But I don't need to force that into every, like, immediacy.

[18:50] You know what I mean?

Elliott Kalan

[18:50] This is a choice I made with the novels of Italo Calvino where I was like, there's only a limited number of these.

[18:57] I really love them.

[18:58] I'm going to hold off and not read them all in a row and I'm going to kind of space them out for myself so that I have more to discover as I get older.

[19:05] And I'm probably going to enjoy it more as I'm older and I understand it more.

[19:08] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[19:10] I would say if you have to make a plan, you're not that into it to begin with.

Elliott Kalan

[19:16] That's probably a good point.

Hallie Haglund

[19:17] Because I'm trying to think, I mean, it's usually not a problem for me to embed myself with something.

[19:27] Like when I, it's just like whenever, for example, one of my recent passions has been, I took my kid to the Minecraft movie.

[19:37] Historically, I've sort of hated Jack Black, but all of a sudden I was like, wait a second.

[19:41] I love this guy.

[19:43] He just wants to have a good time.

[19:44] He just wants to spread joy.

[19:45] Yeah.

[19:45] And you know what I'm looking for?

[19:46] I'm looking for some joy in my life.

[19:48] So I just started, I realized there are so many Jack Black movies I've never seen.

[19:52] I mean, I love Nacho Libre.

[19:56] Famously once watched Nacho Libre twice in a row on an airplane.

[20:02] But had I ever seen Orange is the Family?

Elliott Kalan

[20:04] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[20:04] Everybody knows that about me.

Elliott Kalan

[20:06] It's on the back of the DVD box.

Hallie Haglund

[20:08] It's that and that I went to the same high school as John Cheadle.

[20:11] Everybody knows that.

[20:11] Everyone knows that.

[20:12] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[20:12] These are both in the dictionary of literary anecdotes.

[20:14] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[20:15] Did you guys hang out a lot?

[20:16] You and Don Cheadle?

Hallie Haglund

[20:17] No.

[20:18] Not at the same time.

Stuart Wellington

[20:20] Not at the same time.

[20:20] It really was.

[20:21] Yeah.

Hallie Haglund

[20:22] But you hung out at the same school at different times.

[20:24] Yeah.

[20:25] Yeah.

[20:26] I walked into my classroom and I would sniff the air and say, Don Cheadle was here.

Dan McCoy

[20:33] Uh-huh.

[20:34] Yeah.

[20:34] I will say that like, you know, like when you say no plan, like I like making lists for myself

[20:40] just because I know I'll forget stuff otherwise.

[20:43] But I'm trying to get better at like once I have those lists.

[20:47] Not actually acting on it.

[20:49] No, no.

[20:49] The opposite.

[20:50] Not forcing it or not being like, sometimes I'll be like, well, I want to watch something.

[20:55] I'm not going to get to this thing unless I make a point of it.

[20:59] Oh, I see.

[21:00] That can be fine, but I also think it's better if you're actually conscious of like, what

[21:06] mood am I in right now?

[21:07] Like, what am I receptive to?

[21:09] Because if you're like, even if you might like something at a different time, if you're

[21:12] forcing it, it's not going to be good.

Stuart Wellington

[21:14] I'm not going to watch this serious movie.

[21:16] Time to get stalked by my doctor.

[21:18] Yep.

Dan McCoy

[21:21] Okay.

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Elliott Kalan

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[22:23] Yeah.

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[22:26] It's not just alleged.

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Stuart Wellington

[22:33] We're verging on unfrosted territory, guys.

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[22:36] Oh, you're right, Stu.

Dan McCoy

[22:38] Of the Flophouse, I am known to be the one who perhaps most enjoys cooking.

[22:43] If you've tuned in to one of Stu's Slophouse streams, you've seen me cooking.

[22:48] But even I, even I, Dan McCoy, lover of cooking.

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Hallie Haglund

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[23:10] Of all time?

[23:11] No.

Dan McCoy

[23:11] I don't know if I remember specifics.

Hallie Haglund

[23:13] If you were on death row and you could only have one factor meal before they execute.

Dan McCoy

[23:19] You're really putting me on the spot.

[23:20] She's writing some copy here.

[23:21] Yeah, yeah.

[23:22] Because I do, I have enjoyed them, but it has been a long time since I've had one.

[23:27] So I don't know that I have a specific one, but I remember there.

Elliott Kalan

[23:30] We, we're a factor house.

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[23:36] Is that a factor?

[23:38] There are a lot of, there are a lot of, I'm a guy who likes to eat meat.

[23:43] I apologize.

[23:44] But there's a lot of, there's a lot of food by the, by mail things where the meat just doesn't quite live up.

[23:49] But factor has a bunch of good dishes that are meat-based dishes.

[23:52] And so I really like those, but I don't get to eat them that much.

[23:55] Because I think as I've talked about on the show before, my wife takes them for lunch at work.

[23:59] And I'll be like, today, I think I'll have this factor meal for lunch.

[24:01] It's not there anymore.

[24:02] It's already been taken.

[24:03] That's how in demand they are in my household.

Stuart Wellington

[24:05] Yeah, there's just a little space in your fridge with an outline of a factor meal.

[24:11] Chalk out, yeah.

[24:12] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[24:13] Yeah, chalk outline.

[24:14] Well, one of my guilty snacks came over.

[24:17] Anyway, yeah.

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Elliott Kalan

[24:43] Wait, before we get to roulette, I just want to remind people that my new children's picture book, Sadie Mouse Wrecks the Houses Out.

[24:49] If you are listening to this episode the day of its release in the morning and you live in the Los Angeles area, I believe this episode is coming out Saturday, May 17th.

[24:57] This very day, if it's before 11 a.m., if you're listening to this first thing, if you're a real wake and listen type of listener, I will be appearing in public at Once Upon a Time Bookstore in Montrose, California, Saturday, May 17th at 11 a.m.

[25:12] to do a story time with this very book, Sadie Mouse Wrecks the House.

[25:14] You can come by, get a copy of the book, have it signed.

[25:17] I will read it to you.

[25:18] It's going to be really fun.

[25:19] Once Upon a Time is a great bookstore.

[25:21] If you're listening to this too late, then just get yourself a copy.

[25:25] If you don't live in Los Angeles, go to your local bookstore and get a copy of Sadie Mouse Wrecks the House for the child in your life or the child in your heart.

[25:33] Probably be the latter for me.

[25:35] Is there an audiobook version of this?

[25:36] There is no audiobook version, but like all children's picture books, it is made to be read aloud.

[25:41] Mostly.

Stuart Wellington

[25:41] I feel like Hallie is pitching herself to be the reader of Sadie Mouse Wrecks the House.

[25:46] I would love it.

Hallie Haglund

[25:47] I think I have a je ne sais quoi about me.

Stuart Wellington

[25:52] Yeah.

[25:53] Does she have to read any French then to do?

[25:55] Thankfully she does not.

Elliott Kalan

[25:57] No, not for this one.

[25:58] Unless it's the French edition.

[26:00] Okay.

[26:00] Yeah, she should.

[26:02] Yeah.

[26:02] There was a French edition of Horse Meets Dog, my first children's picture book, so who knows?

[26:06] Maybe a Quebecois version?

[26:09] Yeah, maybe.

[26:10] Very regional.

[26:11] Creole?

[26:11] Like a Creole version?

[26:13] There's a Creole version, yeah.

[26:15] Uh, okay.

S5

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S6

[27:05] Hello, sleepyheads.

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[27:11] We talk to remarkable people about unremarkable topics.

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Stuart Wellington

[27:23] You hand somebody a yardstick after they've shopped at your general store.

S5

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[27:40] Night-night.

Dan McCoy

[27:42] Let us return to the questions from listeners.

[27:47] I'm going to tap that app.

[27:50] Every time you say it, I get less comfortable with it.

[27:52] Yeah.

[27:53] That's the point.

Elliott Kalan

[27:54] Dan is putting it on the glass, by which he means his finger on the glass screen of the phone.

Dan McCoy

[27:58] Doing what his body wants.

[28:00] What makes a good movie fight scene?

[28:03] Does it have to be bloody?

[28:05] Does it need weapons?

[28:05] What are some of your favorite fight scenes?

[28:08] Well, as somebody who doesn't like fight scenes, maybe it's a Mikey likes it sort of situation

[28:13] where if Hallie says that there's a fight scene that is her favorite, then we know it's a good one.

[28:19] I can tell you.

Hallie Haglund

[28:19] I know exactly what I would say.

[28:21] I would say Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

[28:23] Oh.

[28:24] And I think it was because it was the first time I saw a fight scene where the woman was doing a lot of the fighting.

[28:32] And I think I finally connected with it.

Elliott Kalan

[28:34] So you need to see a little movie called Yes, Madam.

[28:37] Mm-hmm.

[28:38] Okay.

[28:39] Another Michelle Yeoh banger of a movie, which is a lot of fighting.

Stuart Wellington

[28:42] At least look up the big fight scene at the end on YouTube.

[28:45] It's awesome.

[28:46] Her and Cynthia Rothrock.

Elliott Kalan

[28:48] Oh, yeah.

[28:48] Cynthia Rothrock does a lot of great fighting in that movie, too.

Dan McCoy

[28:51] I would say that there are a few things for me.

[28:54] I like a fight scene where the effort is, you know, you could see the effort.

[28:59] Like, I like the realism of, like, seeing people get tired or, like –

Elliott Kalan

[29:04] You need a little movie called Yes, Madam.

Dan McCoy

[29:07] Feel like they're hurt.

[29:09] You know, like, we've talked about how, you know, Harrison Ford is good in movies because it looks like when he gets punched, he does not like it.

[29:16] Or, you know, like, the sword fighting scene in Rob Roy is great because you can see how tired they get.

[29:23] With the hammer fight in that.

[29:24] Hammer hole.

[29:25] Yeah.

[29:26] Yeah.

[29:26] I like that.

[29:27] I like a sequence that takes advantage of where the sequence happens, you know, like, again –

[29:35] Environmental elements.

[29:37] Yeah.

[29:37] Whether it be, like, you're in a confined space like that hammer fight or if it's, like, Jackie Chan grabbing whatever's around to use in his fight scene.

[29:46] I want a sequence to –

[29:47] You know an Ikea hates to see him coming.

[29:51] I want a sequence to build.

[29:52] I don't like a fight scene that – I mean, like, these aren't really fight scenes, but I like a scene where it's just like, oh, people are shooting.

[29:57] They're looking at each other or whatever.

[29:58] And it's just like, I'm not excited by this, you know.

[30:02] Great.

[30:03] Great.

[30:03] They're ducking behind things, you know.

Hallie Haglund

[30:05] I like it when they're really bad, too.

[30:08] Like, in The Irishman.

[30:09] Remember there's this part in The Irishman where Robert De Niro is, like, kicking people and it's so obvious.

[30:15] Yes.

Stuart Wellington

[30:15] There's an old man.

[30:17] I love it.

[30:18] That's the best.

[30:19] Yeah.

[30:20] Yeah.

[30:20] I mean, I'm in with all these.

[30:22] I like it when the action is, like, legible.

[30:25] Like, you understand what's happening.

[30:27] I also – one of the things that when you watch, like, good, like, Hong Kong action movies is you see how the action has been edited with a specific rhythm.

[30:40] Yes.

[30:40] So that, like – because you'll see people, like, cut an action scene together with, like, a dance song.

[30:46] And you're like, oh, shit, this works so well.

[30:47] Like, the throne room scene in The Last Jedi kept – people kept editing different songs like Toxic and other things.

[30:55] And it works so well because it's been edited with a specific rhythm and beat.

[31:00] And it – like, it – that's what makes it work.

[31:03] All those things.

[31:04] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[31:04] Yeah, I think that – I agree with everything you guys are saying and everything you're saying, Hallie.

[31:11] When it's bad, it's good sometimes too.

[31:12] When they don't know what they're doing.

[31:14] I think the thing that I like is to see – and again – and in Hong Kong martial arts movies are the best often at these – are where the fight is clearly choreographed and edited for a purpose.

[31:28] But it does not – but it is performed in a way that does not feel extra choreographed.

[31:32] And I feel like in American action movies, there's often a lot of, like, very precise blocking and very precise, like, this does this and that does this and this does this.

[31:42] And it – but it comes off often as a – it comes off as a dance that has been very heavily choreographed as opposed to someone in the moment is making these choices to block or to punch or whatever.

[31:55] And it's a performance thing.

[31:57] You know, the best kind of, like, stunt fight performers, I feel like they're able to get it across in a way where just as with acting in general, it feels like a choice being made in the moment rather than here is something that we really blocked the hell out of.

[32:09] And, like, you look at the – there's a different kind of fight scene, but, like, the Errol Flynn sword fighting scenes in The Adventures of Robin Hood or Captain Blood.

[32:18] And it has that feeling to me where clearly this was choreographed.

[32:20] Like, they are not just making up fencing moves, especially in Adventures of Robin Hood where they're going upstairs while they're doing it and, you know, things like that.

[32:27] But it feels like the performers are making these choices in the moment rather than just kind of hitting the marks that they need to.

[32:35] And sometimes when I see American action movies, I'm like, this is a really cool choreographed scene, but it feels like I'm watching a – it feels like everybody's in on it.

[32:41] You know, they are – this person is not taking the swing so that they think they're going to hit them.

[32:46] They're taking the swing so that it can be blocked.

[32:48] And it's a – you know, even a great choreographed fight scene, it needs that extra little bit of performance, you know.

[32:55] Yeah.

[32:56] And that folds in with taking advantage of the environment and looking – the people looking like they – when they get hurt – when they get hit, it hurts and things like that.

[33:04] And, you know, that's what I'd say.

Dan McCoy

[33:06] Let's see what the randomizer has for us next.

[33:10] Oh, 18.

[33:12] Well, well.

[33:14] I don't know what that means.

[33:14] Never want to hear that.

[33:15] No.

[33:17] I realized after –

[33:18] You can use a bowl.

[33:19] I realized after the fact that it sounds like an age of consent thing.

[33:24] I just meant to make a joke about it.

Elliott Kalan

[33:27] You chose the wrong number.

[33:28] I know.

[33:28] I chose the wrong number.

[33:29] I can't do that joke with.

[33:30] And 18 is one of them.

[33:32] The other, of course, being 69.

[33:34] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[33:34] But what do we got here?

[33:37] What pandering to 80s kids' IP is still untapped by Hollywood that you would like to see tapped?

Elliott Kalan

[33:43] Oh, that became a harder question when you said that you would like to see tapped.

[33:46] Yeah.

[33:47] Because I'll tell you what IP has yet to be tapped, but they've been trying.

[33:50] Thundercats.

[33:50] But I don't care about it.

[33:52] And I don't necessarily want to see it.

[33:55] 80s IP.

Stuart Wellington

[33:57] I mean like I'm kind of surprised there isn't – there hasn't been another Goonies thing.

[34:03] I'm sure they've been trying to make another Goonies thing.

[34:05] I bet so.

[34:06] But that feels like a natural – like it ticks – like with like Stranger Things and all that stuff, like leaning into kids going on adventures.

[34:16] I'm just surprised there hasn't been another.

[34:18] I don't know if I'm looking for it.

Elliott Kalan

[34:21] I mean to be honest, this is – that reminds – makes me think of Monster Squad, which already is an IP use thing originally, you know.

[34:29] But the – they've had so much trouble trying to figure out how to use the universal monsters and maybe to – and I don't think – Monster Squad was not a universal approved thing, right?

[34:40] Or was it?

[34:40] I can't remember.

Dan McCoy

[34:41] Dan.

[34:41] It wasn't because that's why the Tom Noonan like – you know, it doesn't look like the classic Frankenstein, you know, universal.

Elliott Kalan

[34:49] And their Gilman has a different design, right?

[34:51] But the – like the – but I think – but I could see like maybe that's the way into bringing those characters back is to do like a new kind of Monster Squad type thing.

[35:01] And have universal do it so you can use the – use the designs that people know so well.

[35:05] But I don't know.

[35:06] Hallie, what about you?

[35:07] I feel like your 80s culture frame of reference is going to be different than R3s.

[35:10] So I'm curious what you're thinking.

[35:12] Like Popples, something like that?

[35:15] I was thinking –

[35:15] Madballs.

Hallie Haglund

[35:17] I did like Popples.

[35:18] My Pet Monster.

[35:20] No.

[35:21] Kid Sister.

[35:22] Kid Sister.

[35:24] My Buddy and Kid Sister.

Elliott Kalan

[35:25] Yeah.

[35:25] Those are songs that are very popular with my younger son that I'll sing to him while pushing him on a swing.

[35:30] And he thinks they're hilarious and I don't know why.

Hallie Haglund

[35:33] Do you remember the – a tisket, a tasket, the Play-Doh flower basket?

[35:41] Oh, no.

[35:41] I don't remember.

[35:41] Yes.

[35:42] Oh, yeah.

[35:43] Do you sing – wiggles and jiggles and feels so real.

[35:47] It's my water, baby.

[35:49] I didn't remember that one.

Stuart Wellington

[35:50] I didn't remember that one.

[35:51] Yeah, do you sing Skip to Maloo McNuggets?

Elliott Kalan

[35:55] I think I mentioned last episode the ring pop commercial.

[35:57] I do a lot.

[35:58] You can wear a ring around your finger.

[35:59] Ring, pop.

[36:00] It's a juicy jewel of flavor.

[36:02] Ring.

[36:02] I do that alone.

Hallie Haglund

[36:03] I don't remember that one.

[36:06] I was thinking of James Bond Jr.

[36:08] Do you guys remember James Bond Jr.?

Elliott Kalan

[36:10] James Bond Jr.

[36:11] Chase the Scum.

[36:12] Around the world.

[36:14] Yeah.

[36:15] And the Bond series, again, is another one that kind of needs a refresher.

[36:19] Yeah.

[36:19] Maybe James Bond Jr. is the way to do it.

[36:21] Where it's his nephew who has the same name of him as a junior.

Dan McCoy

[36:25] Dan, was he the nephew?

[36:26] Do you know?

[36:27] He was the nephew.

[36:27] He was not actually a junior.

[36:29] It's a very weird.

Elliott Kalan

[36:30] I have to assume it was done as James Bond's son originally, and they were like, it kind of hurts the James Bond character if he has a family.

[36:37] I mean, he must have a son somewhere.

[36:39] Of course he's got a son.

[36:40] He's clearly shooting blanks.

Dan McCoy

[36:42] Yeah.

[36:43] I'm scrolling through a bunch of stuff because I, like, this is a hard question because most of it's already been done or something I have no interest in at all.

[36:51] And I just—

Elliott Kalan

[36:51] Well, you were talking about that Cowboys and Moo Mesa revival that you wanted, right?

Dan McCoy

[36:54] That was like, mmm, snorks.

[36:55] There's 13 episodes of a cartoon.

[36:57] Have you heard of this called Laser Tag Academy?

[37:01] I know.

[37:02] I don't know what that is, but maybe that's—

Stuart Wellington

[37:04] I mean, it's pretty much in the title, Dan.

[37:07] Yeah.

[37:07] I don't know what else to do with it.

Hallie Haglund

[37:08] I'm surprised I haven't redone—or maybe they have, like—I feel like Strawberry Shortcake and, like, Rainbow Bright I was hard into.

[37:14] Have they not redone those?

Elliott Kalan

[37:15] They haven't.

[37:16] What's weird about the—I don't remember about Rainbow Bright, but Strawberry Shortcake is one of the first ones that I can think of where it was not like, oh, we have this character and we're creating her for a show.

[37:25] It was like, this is a character who shows up on greeting cards, and people love her, so we've got to find some way to do a television show around her, you know?

[37:32] Well, they did a good job.

[37:33] I loved that.

[37:34] Which is now, I think, pretty much, like, half of what is being made into movies these days, where it's like, uh, this character who appears on a—the Cheetah, the Cheetos Cheetah, how do we create his world?

[37:45] What's his story?

Hallie Haglund

[37:46] What if they made a live-action Kathy movie?

Elliott Kalan

[37:50] To be honest, they should have done a live-action Kathy sitcom at some point.

[37:54] I wonder if they ever tried.

[37:54] That would have been a great idea.

Dan McCoy

[37:56] Guys, have you heard of this?

[37:57] It's something called Rude Dog and the Dweebs.

[38:01] No, not familiar.

[38:02] Sounds like your podcast.

[38:08] 1989.

[38:09] Ladies know what she's talking about.

[38:11] Saturday morning cartoon.

[38:13] Developed by Sun Sportswear, based on the Rude Dog character created by Brad McMahon, featured in clothes advertising.

Elliott Kalan

[38:21] You know what?

[38:21] I think I might remember the bumpers that they did, like the commercial bumpers that came during that show.

[38:27] Yeah.

[38:27] But I don't remember the show itself.

Stuart Wellington

[38:28] I'd like a TV show based on the Big Johnson t-shirt franchise.

[38:33] Yeah.

[38:33] Yeah, we've talked about that.

[38:34] It would have to be on late-night TV, though.

[38:36] You know, not for little kids.

[38:38] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[38:38] I think we cracked it.

[38:41] Oh, yeah.

[38:41] I remember Rude Dog.

Elliott Kalan

[38:42] I'm looking at it now.

[38:42] I remember this character.

Dan McCoy

[38:43] Yeah.

[38:45] Let's get one last turn of the roulette wheel here.

[38:50] No, we did that one already.

[38:52] That one, too.

[38:53] Here we go.

Elliott Kalan

[38:53] I think the answer we came up with was, please don't do any more 80s IP.

[38:56] Yeah, don't do it.

[38:56] Stop it.

Dan McCoy

[38:58] As someone who's being directly pandered to, I'm tired of it.

Elliott Kalan

[39:02] As someone who's working currently on a Ghostbusters project, I would say, after mine, let's stop.

Stuart Wellington

[39:07] Let's do this project and then no more.

Elliott Kalan

[39:08] Elliot's is great, but others are bad.

Dan McCoy

[39:12] So, last question.

[39:13] Horror movies you could survive the longest in.

[39:17] Synecdoche, New York.

Elliott Kalan

[39:20] Oh, Stuart, we're all surviving in that one.

[39:22] That's the horror movie we all live in.

Dan McCoy

[39:24] I feel like there's a whole genre of movies where it's just like you just don't have to do the thing that triggers stuff that I would survive.

Elliott Kalan

[39:32] Very much so.

[39:32] I feel like if you don't make a wish, then I feel like the wish master is not really interested in going after you.

[39:38] He's pretty persuasive, too.

[39:39] I guess so.

Dan McCoy

[39:41] I mean, I think I could be persuaded to make a wish because, like, there I can see the more direct.

[39:45] But if they're like, play this creepy game, I'm like, no, thank you.

[39:49] I think I could do it.

Stuart Wellington

[39:50] I'm built different.

[39:51] I don't want to.

[39:52] Yeah, like The Substance.

[39:54] I would just simply maintain the balance.

[39:57] Oh, yeah.

[39:57] It's that easy.

[39:58] Oh, I see.

[39:58] Yeah.

[39:59] Videodrome.

[40:00] I would just not watch that show all the time.

[40:02] Let's not watch that show.

Elliott Kalan

[40:03] It does.

[40:03] That show did not seem that engrossing to me.

[40:06] Not that intriguing.

Dan McCoy

[40:07] Freddy Krueger.

[40:08] He's trapped in my dreams, bitch.

[40:10] No, that's one I think that you would not.

[40:13] I think that's pretty conclusively a thing that's hard to avoid, getting killed by.

[40:18] Samara climbs out of that TV.

Elliott Kalan

[40:20] I'm beating her ass down.

[40:21] No, okay.

[40:22] I don't think that's happening.

[40:23] Now you're getting closer and closer to the Wahlberg, if I was on the plane, 9-11 wouldn't have happened type of personality.

[40:30] Yeah.

[40:31] Let's see, a horror movie that I could survive.

[40:33] Yeah, I think anything where you have to make it where, like, I don't feel the need to solve the lament configuration.

[40:38] You know, that kind of stuff.

[40:39] Like, I don't, I think there's a lot of, like.

[40:41] I totally wouldn't die.

[40:43] I would be ripped to shreds.

[40:44] Yeah, you would die.

[40:44] Yeah.

[40:45] But anything where it's a, I think it's something like Freddy Krueger where he's just coming after you and you don't have a choice in the matter.

[40:53] As opposed to, oh, you did this thing and now you've got to be punished.

[40:56] I don't do that much.

Stuart Wellington

[40:57] Yeah, like, I get smoked by and it follows.

[41:00] Like, it would just turn me into a little pretzel.

Elliott Kalan

[41:04] So, see, that's the thing where it follows I'm pretty safe from.

[41:07] I think it's unlikely that I'm going to find myself having sex with somebody whose sexual history I'm not aware of and don't know they're being followed by an it, you know.

[41:15] So, now, an if follows.

[41:17] That's a bigger problem.

[41:18] I have two children in my house.

[41:20] If either of them has an if and that if wants to kill me, I don't think there's anything I can do about it.

Dan McCoy

[41:23] What about Candyman?

[41:24] You guys think Candyman will get you?

[41:26] Oh, yeah, that's another one.

[41:26] I would not, you know, there's no point.

[41:29] There's no point in which I'd be like, yeah, I got to keep saying Candyman.

[41:31] Let me keep saying this.

Elliott Kalan

[41:32] Yeah, when anything where the monster gets you because you have been dared into doing a thing, it's like, yeah, I think I'm just probably not going to be that dare.

Stuart Wellington

[41:40] No, I think those are the worst ones for me.

[41:42] I feel like I'm dead immediately.

[41:44] But I feel like in, like, a zombie movie, I'd be super good at that, right?

[41:49] I'm just, like, really, like, I'm kind of a survivalist type, you know?

[41:54] I'm just.

Dan McCoy

[41:55] That's what I always thought about you.

[41:56] Howie, you love horror.

[41:58] We always have you on in Shocktober.

[42:00] What do you, is there one that you think you'd be good at?

Hallie Haglund

[42:04] I mean, yeah, I feel like I would be into, I feel like I wouldn't be scared.

[42:08] I'd just be happy to be there.

[42:10] So, you know, anything with ghosts.

Elliott Kalan

[42:12] Yeah.

[42:13] Yeah.

[42:13] If you were Nicole Kidman's character in The Others, you'd be like, this is great.

[42:18] This is wonderful.

[42:19] We have ghosts in the house.

[42:20] Yeah.

[42:20] I love ghosts.

[42:21] I don't want to spoil the, yeah.

[42:22] I haven't finished it yet.

[42:23] I'm about to go finish it.

[42:24] I have, I think, 10 minutes left in the movie.

[42:26] Let me go see what happens.

[42:26] Oh, oh, oh, wait a minute.

[42:28] Oh.

Stuart Wellington

[42:29] I feel like, I feel like Child's Play, I think just, like, Chucky and I would get along.

[42:34] Like, I think we would, like, vibe, right?

Elliott Kalan

[42:36] I think he would just want to hang out with you.

[42:37] Yeah, sure.

[42:37] Yeah.

[42:38] He'd kill you eventually, but you'd have a good time along the way.

[42:40] Yeah.

[42:41] I'm fine with that.

[42:42] I think I would not.

[42:43] How long?

Hallie Haglund

[42:43] I think in, like, a substance type situation, I would not.

[42:46] I would not thrive.

[42:47] I would definitely push the limits of that.

[42:49] I would want to be hot as long as I could.

[42:53] Yeah.

[42:53] Well, we did it.

Dan McCoy

[42:57] What did we do?

[42:59] We survived the gamblers.

[43:01] Answered some questions.

[43:02] Yeah.

[43:02] That's what we did.

[43:03] We did do that.

[43:05] Thanks for answering that question.

[43:07] And thank you to Hallie for sticking around and being on.

[43:11] Best in the biz.

[43:12] Yet another episode of this dumb show.

[43:15] Check out.

[43:16] Thank you.

[43:17] Her sub stack.

[43:19] Check it out.

[43:20] What's it called, Dan?

[43:21] That hurt my feelings?

[43:22] Is that what it is?

[43:23] Hurts.

[43:24] That hurts.

[43:24] That hurts my feelings.

[43:25] I'm sorry.

[43:26] I forgot the S.

[43:27] I'm sorry.

[43:27] Okay.

Elliott Kalan

[43:28] I guess I know the subject of next week's essay.

[43:33] My friend forgot the name of my sub stack and it hurt my feelings.

Dan McCoy

[43:38] Thank you to Alex Smith.

[43:39] He produces the show.

[43:41] You can find him under the name Howl Dottie all over the internet.

Elliott Kalan

[43:45] You can find him on the run from the allegations under the name Howl Dottie.

Dan McCoy

[43:48] Just kidding.

[43:49] And thank you to Maximum Fun.

[43:51] Go to MaximumFun.org to check out other great shows on the MaxFun Network.

[43:57] And thank you, last of all, but most of all, to you, the listener.

[44:03] Thank you for keeping us doing this thing.

[44:07] Without you, there wouldn't be much point.

[44:10] So we appreciate it.

[44:12] But for the Flophouse, which is the titular thing that I was talking about, I've been Dan McCoy.

Elliott Kalan

[44:17] Dan, is there a producer standing behind me just going, stretch, stretch, extend.

[44:23] The next podcast is running late.

[44:25] Just keep it going.

Dan McCoy

[44:26] Now who's stretching?

[44:27] And, of course.

[44:28] Look who's stretching now.

[44:30] Oh, man.

Elliott Kalan

[44:31] It's Mr. Fantastic.

[44:33] Yeah.

[44:33] In the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four, First Fans.

[44:36] Seemed like an unnecessary sequel.

[44:37] First Steps.

[44:39] First Steps.

[44:39] So this is about when they were babies and they wanted to walk.

Dan McCoy

[44:44] Maybe it's Galactus who's taking his first steps on Earth.

[44:46] Who knows?

[44:46] Anyway, I've been Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[44:48] Yeah, we haven't watched the movie yet.

[44:49] It's not out yet.

[44:50] My name is Stuart Lenton Wellington.

[44:54] And I am here to say I love podcasting every way.

Elliott Kalan

[45:01] I'm Elliot Charles Kalin.

[45:02] I feel like now the bit is just talking as long as possible, but I'm instead going to throw it to our guest for today.

Hallie Haglund

[45:08] Hallie Susan Haglund.

[45:11] Oh, I didn't know that.

[45:13] You didn't know that?

[45:14] No.

[45:14] They used to call me Hallie Sue when I was little.

Dan McCoy

[45:17] Aw.

Hallie Haglund

[45:19] Yep.

[45:20] So.

Dan McCoy

[45:21] Put that in your fucking pipes and smoke in America.

[45:26] Bye.

[45:26] I guess deal with that.

[45:28] Yep.

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FH Mini 128 - Listener Roulette, with Hallie Haglund

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