Ella McCay

Dan McCoy

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Ella McKay.

Stuart Wellington

[0:03] I didn't realize I need to have a hot one, cute.

[0:05] I'm sorry.

[0:06] Usually you have the hottest ones, too.

[0:09] Yeah.

[0:10] I got it.

[0:11] Oh, man.

[0:11] I got a smoker.

[0:12] Watch out.

[0:12] Get out of your fucking oven mitts.

[0:14] Okay.

Dan McCoy

[0:15] On this episode, we discuss Ella McKay.

Stuart Wellington

[0:18] By James Ella Brooks.

Dan McCoy

[0:23] Pretty good.

[0:30] Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse.

[0:49] I'm Dan McCoy.

Stuart Wellington

[0:51] I'm Stuart Wellington.

Elliott Kalan

[0:53] And I'm Elliot Kalin.

[0:54] Not doing this bit because I've got stuff to promote.

[0:56] I've got an all-new comic book, Barbarian Behind Bars,

[0:59] on comic book shelves right now.

Dan McCoy

[1:01] Now, you say it's on comic book shelves right now,

[1:04] but I'm looking over at my own comic book shelf,

[1:05] and I don't see it.

[1:07] That just shows me you're a bad friend.

[1:10] Actually, even though not even the first issue had been out,

[1:15] I pre-ordered the trade paperback.

[1:18] Okay, good.

[1:19] That still counts.

[1:20] An order is an order.

[1:21] It's the only way I read comics these days.

Elliott Kalan

[1:23] Wait, the first floppy issue is already out, Alan?

[1:25] The first floppy issue of Barbarian Behind Bars

[1:28] is already out.

[1:29] What happens when a barbarian from a fantasy world

[1:31] ends up on Earth and gets thrown in the slammer?

Stuart Wellington

[1:33] I've got to head to my local comic book shop

[1:36] and wade through a pile of manga and figurines

[1:40] and then get to the back of the store

[1:41] where I'll request that specific comic book.

Dan McCoy

[1:44] They should clean up that manga spill

[1:46] that's been there for so long.

Elliott Kalan

[1:47] Oh, it's so hard because the birds get stuck to their feathers

[1:50] and then they can't fly.

[1:52] They tried a junk shot to stop the manga leak,

[1:55] but it hasn't.

[1:56] Do you guys remember that years ago

[1:57] when the Deep Horizon was still leaking oil

[1:59] and they're like,

[1:59] well, what if we fill it with crap?

[2:01] Well, they just tried to fill it with garbage

[2:03] to stop the leak and that didn't work.

[2:04] Didn't that help though?

[2:04] I thought that helped.

[2:05] I think it helped a little bit maybe,

[2:06] but it was not the Hail Mary success

[2:09] that they hoped it would be.

[2:11] It didn't stop until the Earth ran out of oil.

Dan McCoy

[2:14] Well, this isn't a Disasters of the Past podcast.

[2:17] No, it's a Disasters of the Past podcast.

[2:22] Yeah, we're a podcast where we watch a bad movie

[2:26] and then we talk about it

[2:26] or a movie that has been purported to be bad.

[2:30] We don't know.

[2:30] We don't know ahead of time.

Elliott Kalan

[2:31] Sometimes it's a movie that means well.

[2:33] It's hard.

[2:33] It is in its right place.

[2:34] God bless them.

[2:35] They just...

Stuart Wellington

[2:36] Sometimes we get a little whiff of a stinker

[2:39] and we follow our nose to the local Cineplex.

Elliott Kalan

[2:42] I mean, we don't even have a choice.

[2:43] The scent, it sticks its fingers into our nose

[2:46] and pulls us along floating through the air.

Stuart Wellington

[2:48] We float along, toes curled, fingers tingling.

Dan McCoy

[2:52] Not to tip our hands a little,

[2:55] or at least my own hand beforehand.

Elliott Kalan

[2:57] Because you have a glass of water in that hand

Dan McCoy

[2:59] and it'll spill everywhere when you tip it.

[3:02] This is a movie I do feel a little bad

[3:04] about covering just because it's like,

[3:06] oh, we don't get these kinds of movies anymore

[3:08] and it does have its heart in the right place.

[3:10] And it's not like I, you know, spoiler, hated it or anything.

[3:15] It's just a...

[3:16] But it was a large flop.

[3:18] It was a movie that did not do well on a big level.

[3:21] They don't make movies for aunts and uncles anymore.

[3:24] No.

Elliott Kalan

[3:24] It is.

[3:25] I think it's true.

[3:26] I think we can hold two opposing thoughts in our head,

[3:29] which is that...

[3:30] Or two complicated thoughts in our head,

[3:32] which is one is,

[3:33] I would like to see them make more movies like this,

[3:36] but also this is not a good version of one of those movies.

[3:40] It is not successful at being the kind of movie

[3:42] that I wish they made more of

[3:44] and which James L. Brooks, the writer,

[3:45] has made several of.

[3:47] You know?

[3:48] Yeah.

[3:48] So it is no slam on James L. Brooks to say,

[3:52] spoiler alert, this is not his best work.

[3:54] No.

Dan McCoy

[3:55] A man who made broadcast news

[3:58] maybe a perfect movie.

[4:00] Yeah, in terms of endearment,

[4:01] which is a wonderful movie.

Elliott Kalan

[4:03] Even as good as it gets,

[4:04] which is not quite as good as those,

[4:06] is a much better movie than this.

Stuart Wellington

[4:08] It doesn't live up to its title,

[4:09] but it's still pretty good.

[4:11] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[4:12] This is more on the Spanglish end of the pool.

[4:16] Ouch.

[4:18] So let's dive into that Spanglish pool party.

[4:23] Yeah.

Elliott Kalan

[4:24] Nice pool, Spanglish pool party.

[4:26] I think Trump has declared those against the law.

Stuart Wellington

[4:29] Dan just looked at me when he was saying that

[4:31] and my blood ran cold thinking

[4:33] I was supposed to do the summary.

[4:35] And I know I'm not.

Elliott Kalan

[4:36] No, I'm on summary duty today.

[4:38] So get ready.

[4:39] Because here in California,

[4:41] it is very summary.

[4:42] It's a blazing 81 degrees.

[4:44] Whereas where you guys are,

[4:46] what is it?

[4:46] Like negative 703 degrees?

[4:48] It's actually okay now.

Dan McCoy

[4:49] We're back in the 40s,

[4:50] but we have, you know,

[4:51] we did our second blizzard of the year recently.

[4:55] Yeah.

[4:55] You guys had a lot of blizzards.

[4:56] We're all cool cats.

Elliott Kalan

[4:57] It's too bad you're not in Australia

[4:58] because then it could be the blizzard of Oz,

[4:59] but no, you're in New York City.

[5:01] So that pun would make no sense.

[5:02] So moving on to Ella McKay.

[5:04] This is something that everybody loves.

[5:07] A movie that gives the people making the trailers

[5:09] the opportunity to have a bunch of characters

[5:11] just repeat the main character's name

[5:13] because it's the title over and over again.

[5:14] I assume as I saw the commercial for this

[5:16] and you had a bunch of characters going,

[5:17] Ella?

[5:18] Ella?

[5:19] Ella McKay?

[5:20] I was like, I'm going to fucking hate this movie.

[5:21] Like, I just don't,

[5:22] I don't like trailers where they do that, you know?

Dan McCoy

[5:24] So there have been good movies

[5:26] that are just the name of a character.

[5:29] I don't mind when the title is the name of the character.

Elliott Kalan

[5:31] I don't like it when the commercial has,

[5:33] just cuts together.

[5:35] I don't like when the commercial just cuts together

[5:37] a bunch of people saying the name

[5:38] as if it's like,

[5:39] the audience must be like,

[5:40] this person must be famous.

[5:42] I gotta see this.

Dan McCoy

[5:43] I understand your objection.

[5:44] I understand your specific objection.

[5:46] But I do kind of think personally,

[5:50] this is just me, Dan.

[5:52] It's a little weird to name movies

[5:55] after like a character

[5:57] that like is not a character

[5:58] that we all know already.

[6:01] But there have been good examples.

[6:03] Jerry Maguire, stuff like that, you know?

[6:06] But it does seem like a pretty-

[6:07] Jay Kelly.

[6:08] It seems like a pretty boring way to name a movie.

[6:11] Like, get a load of this.

[6:12] You can't wait till you meet this guy.

[6:14] You don't know what his deal is,

[6:15] but you're going to know soon.

[6:16] That's true.

Elliott Kalan

[6:17] You get a movie like Doddsworth,

[6:19] which is an amazing movie.

[6:20] It's a beautiful movie,

[6:21] but it's about a guy named Doddsworth.

[6:23] Sometimes I think it's because

[6:24] there are certain types of movies

[6:26] and Ella McKay is trying to be one of those movies

[6:28] where I think it's hard to sum up

[6:30] the concept of the movie in a phrase,

[6:32] in a title.

Dan McCoy

[6:34] Yeah, that was a problem

[6:34] that James L. Brooks had

[6:35] when writing the screenplay.

[6:37] What is it about?

Elliott Kalan

[6:38] He also had the problem

[6:38] summing up what the movie is about

[6:40] in the story.

[6:41] But like a movie like Doddsworth,

[6:43] it's about an older man

[6:45] whose marriage is falling apart

[6:46] and he goes to Europe

[6:47] and he finds new love again.

[6:48] Like, what are you going to call that?

[6:49] You know, with this one,

[6:51] what would you call it, Dan?

[6:52] I guess you could call it Little Miss Nooner.

[6:54] You know, that could be the title of the movie.

Dan McCoy

[6:55] I'd call it-

[6:56] I'd probably get a better, you know, audience

[6:59] if you got that.

Stuart Wellington

[7:00] I would-

[7:01] I feel like-

[7:02] I feel like the tomato meter

[7:04] would be fucked up though

[7:05] because all these people

[7:06] would see it expecting one thing.

[7:08] that's a good point.

Elliott Kalan

[7:09] It'd be the old Simpsons joke

[7:11] about going to see Naked Lunch.

[7:12] He goes,

[7:12] I can make up two things wrong

[7:14] with that title.

Stuart Wellington

[7:15] I think the movie

[7:16] should have been called

[7:16] Shenanigans in Rhode Island.

[7:19] You think it's Rhode Island?

[7:20] Okay.

[7:21] I mean, the whole thing

[7:22] was shot in Rhode Island

[7:23] and they don't specify,

[7:24] but it's got like

[7:25] a Rhode Island feel, right?

[7:27] A Rhode Island feel, huh?

Elliott Kalan

[7:29] Yeah, that famous Rhode Island feel.

Stuart Wellington

[7:30] Well, the idea that she's like

[7:32] the lieutenant governor

[7:32] of like a small state

[7:35] makes sense.

Elliott Kalan

[7:36] I mean, it especially makes sense

[7:38] because when she becomes governor,

[7:40] there's no like big things

[7:41] that she has to deal with

[7:43] almost immediately.

[7:44] But anyway,

[7:44] so let's start the movie.

[7:45] Let's talk about it.

[7:46] We start not with Ella McKay herself.

[7:47] We start with Julie Kavner.

[7:49] That's right.

[7:49] TV's Marge,

[7:51] longtime James O'Brooks cohort.

[7:53] Homey.

[7:54] When James O'Brooks.

[7:55] Perfect.

[7:56] Wait, let's hear it again.

[7:57] Homey.

[8:00] That's just,

[8:01] I thought,

[8:02] is Julie Kavner here?

[8:03] Miss Kavner,

[8:03] thank you so much

[8:04] for joining the podcast.

Dan McCoy

[8:04] We have a special guest to everybody.

[8:06] Yeah, but all she says

[8:07] is homey, yeah.

[8:08] Getting scratchier and scratchier

[8:10] because she's, you know,

[8:11] she's getting up there in years.

Elliott Kalan

[8:12] Yeah, Dan,

[8:13] so you're criticizing her

Dan McCoy

[8:14] for time passing?

[8:14] I'm just saying that like,

[8:15] no, not at all,

[8:16] but like her already famously

[8:18] scratchy voice is now,

[8:19] you know,

[8:20] like a vinyl record you bought.

[8:24] I mean,

[8:25] I love it though.

Elliott Kalan

[8:26] Warm fuzz of vinyl, yeah.

[8:27] I've got cab scratch fever,

[8:28] so I'm totally cool with it, yeah.

[8:30] So Julie Kavner,

[8:31] she introduced herself

[8:31] as the narrator.

[8:32] She's someone who works for

[8:33] and loves Ella McKay.

[8:35] Who is Ella McKay?

[8:36] Well,

[8:37] let's go back to 2000.

[8:38] Well, she adores her.

[8:39] That's what I know about.

[8:40] She adores her.

[8:40] She adores Ella McKay

[8:41] and she assumes that you,

[8:42] the audience,

[8:43] I think are also going to come

[8:44] to adore her.

[8:45] At the end,

[8:46] we can talk about

[8:46] whether we came to adore Ella McKay.

Dan McCoy

[8:48] I mean,

[8:49] if anything's going to do it,

[8:50] it's Juliet Kavner saying

[8:52] that she adores someone.

[8:52] I'm like,

[8:53] okay,

[8:53] I'll hear you out.

Elliott Kalan

[8:55] But I think,

[8:55] I don't know about you guys,

[8:56] we'll get to it.

[8:57] I found Ella McKay

[8:58] as a character very off-putting

[8:59] and I think it was as if,

[9:02] it was almost as if,

[9:03] because she's a woman.

[9:04] That's what it is.

[9:04] No, no,

[9:05] but there's this intense,

[9:07] like intense,

[9:08] honest forthrightness about her

[9:10] that I think needed

[9:11] a little bit more

[9:12] of an understanding

[9:13] from the movie,

[9:14] about how that,

[9:16] how off-putting that can be,

[9:17] you know?

[9:18] And I think the other characters-

[9:19] I think that the movie

[9:19] does understand it.

[9:20] Like,

[9:20] that's the whole point.

[9:21] I felt like the other characters

[9:22] in the movie understood it,

[9:24] but I felt like the movie

[9:24] didn't understand it.

[9:26] Maybe.

[9:26] Because the other characters

[9:26] in the movie would be like,

[9:27] you understand that people

[9:28] don't like you,

[9:28] Ella,

[9:29] but the movie kept presenting her

[9:30] as like,

[9:30] you love her.

[9:31] You fucking love her.

[9:32] She's amazing.

Dan McCoy

[9:33] I'm not going to say

[9:34] that this movie is successful,

[9:35] but I would suggest

[9:36] that the movie is trying

[9:37] to say like,

[9:38] why do we hate people

[9:41] who are honest

[9:42] and forthright

[9:43] and passionate?

[9:44] Like,

[9:44] why is that?

Elliott Kalan

[9:45] I think the thing is that,

[9:47] well,

[9:47] we'll get to it,

[9:48] I guess,

[9:48] but her character is

[9:49] forthright and not passionate,

[9:50] but she's also fairly oblivious

[9:51] to the people around her.

[9:52] She sees all of the world

[9:54] through the lens

[9:54] of what's important to her

[9:56] or her feelings,

[9:57] and I think that's what

[9:58] was really getting to me

[9:59] is that I don't think

[10:00] she ever reckons with that,

[10:01] you know,

[10:02] that she is imposing herself

[10:03] and her feelings

[10:03] on other characters

[10:05] throughout the movie,

[10:06] you know?

[10:06] But anyway,

[10:07] flashback to 2008

[10:08] because that's when

[10:09] the movie takes place,

[10:10] and Ella is the third

[10:12] youngest woman

[10:13] to be lieutenant governor

[10:14] of an unnamed state.

[10:16] Which is

[10:17] quite an achievement,

[10:19] I guess?

[10:20] Then we flashback

[10:21] almost instantly

[10:22] to when she was 16

[10:23] to find out about

[10:24] her family trauma.

[10:25] Yeah,

[10:26] a little bit of whiplash here.

[10:27] It's a little bit of whiplash

[10:28] and not the fun whiplash

[10:29] where the guy's playing drums

[10:30] and J.K. Simmons is like,

[10:30] play those drums faster,

[10:31] asshole.

[10:31] I guess that is fun.

Dan McCoy

[10:33] And it is confusing.

[10:35] We were doing a little texting

[10:36] about, like,

[10:37] how old everyone's supposed

[10:38] to be in this movie,

[10:39] and it is odd

[10:40] that, like,

[10:41] we flashback

[10:42] like a decade

[10:43] from 2008

[10:44] or whatever it is,

[10:45] and Ellen McKay

[10:46] is still played

[10:47] by Emma Mackey.

[10:49] Ellen McKay,

[10:49] Emma Mackey.

Elliott Kalan

[10:49] It's confusing enough

[10:50] that the character

[10:51] and the actress

[10:51] have almost the same name.

Dan McCoy

[10:53] Yeah.

[10:53] The only person

[10:54] played by a different actor

[10:56] is her younger brother

[10:58] who's played

[10:58] by a younger actor.

[10:59] Which I think was a mistake.

[11:00] Oh, you think he should have played

[11:02] I think he was a mistake.

[11:02] You think the same actor

[11:03] should have played him

[11:03] in his 20s

[11:04] and also at eight?

[11:05] Yes.

[11:05] Well, I kind of agree

[11:06] if, like,

[11:07] just in that, like,

[11:09] if you're going to change

[11:10] one actor,

[11:10] change them all.

[11:11] Like, have someone

[11:12] play the younger Ellen McKay.

[11:13] It is so weird

[11:14] to have her flashback

[11:15] and be like,

[11:15] wait,

[11:16] Rebecca Hall

[11:17] is supposed to be her mom

[11:18] who's 14 years older

[11:19] than her?

Elliott Kalan

[11:20] Yeah, well, I'm,

[11:21] and also it means

[11:22] that Woody Harrelson

[11:22] gets to wear

[11:24] unconvincing wigs

[11:24] both as a younger

[11:26] middle-aged man

[11:27] and as an old man.

[11:28] But I would say

[11:29] I don't,

[11:30] I think they should have

[11:31] I think they should have

[11:32] had a younger actor

[11:33] playing it.

[11:33] Do you think

[11:34] Yeah.

Stuart Wellington

[11:35] Do you think Woody Harrelson

[11:36] made, like,

[11:36] the wig department mad

[11:37] on one of his movies

[11:38] and now they're all like,

[11:39] we're going to fuck this dude up?

Elliott Kalan

[11:40] Yeah, the hairdressers union

[11:42] has declared a fatwa

[11:43] against Woody Harrelson's image.

[11:46] And so whenever

[11:47] they're in a movie,

[11:47] he's like,

[11:48] well, time to go

[11:49] to my wig fitting.

[11:49] And they're like,

[11:50] oh, you're in for it this time.

[11:52] You know what you did

[11:53] to the world of wigs.

[11:54] Yeah.

[11:54] What do you think he did?

[11:55] What do you think he did?

[11:56] I don't know.

[11:56] Like, I feel like

[11:57] he's pretty,

Stuart Wellington

[11:58] he's pretty beloved,

[11:59] you know?

[12:01] I mean, that's why

[12:01] he starred in Beloved.

[12:03] He did.

[12:04] That was a weird cast.

[12:05] I don't agree with that.

[12:06] He also co-wrote it.

Elliott Kalan

[12:07] He didn't get credit,

[12:08] but he did co-wrote it.

[12:09] Well, because he's big friends,

[12:11] he was close friends

[12:11] with Toni Morrison at the time.

[12:12] And he was like,

[12:13] Toni, I want you to write

[12:14] a story for me.

[12:15] And again,

[12:16] it was strange casting,

[12:17] but you know.

[12:18] Very odd.

[12:19] Can't argue.

[12:19] You won the Academy Award for it.

[12:20] So you can't argue.

[12:21] Yeah, can't argue.

[12:23] So this is Flashman

[12:25] when she's 16.

[12:26] Emmy Mackey plays

[12:27] the character of both.

[12:29] Her dad, Woody Harrelson,

[12:31] and her Aunt Helen,

[12:32] Jamie Lee Curtis,

[12:33] are there.

[12:33] She has a younger brother.

[12:34] And her mom, Rebecca Hall.

[12:36] And Ella,

[12:37] her dad is resigning

[12:39] from his job

[12:39] as a hospital administrator

[12:41] or something

[12:41] because of affairs

[12:43] that he had

[12:43] with his worker,

[12:44] with his employees.

[12:45] And Ella is confronting

[12:46] her dad over this.

[12:48] And she refuses

[12:49] to go with him

[12:50] and stand by him

[12:51] and pretend that

[12:51] everything's okay.

[12:52] And she takes her brother,

[12:53] Casey,

[12:54] and literally brings him

[12:55] to the dictionary

[12:56] to read the definition

[12:57] of trauma to him.

[12:59] And the women

[13:00] in the family,

[13:01] they all side with Ella.

[13:02] Woody Harrelson

[13:02] goes off on his own

[13:03] to resign,

[13:04] leaving his wife,

[13:05] his sister,

[13:06] and his daughter there.

[13:08] Six months later,

[13:09] whiplash,

[13:09] her mom is like,

[13:11] hey,

[13:12] we're moving to California

[13:13] for a fresh start.

[13:14] And Ella's like,

[13:15] but it'll ruin my education.

[13:17] And she goes,

[13:18] why do you stay with him, mom?

[13:20] She goes,

[13:20] because I still love him.

[13:21] And Ella is so disappointed.

[13:22] And then her mom says,

[13:23] you can stay with Aunt Helen

[13:24] until you go to college.

[13:25] And she's equally upset about that.

[13:28] Like,

[13:28] she didn't want to move

[13:29] and she doesn't want to stay.

[13:30] They have a lot of tearful,

[13:31] heavy conversations.

[13:32] Which is crazy because,

Stuart Wellington

[13:33] I mean,

[13:33] Jamie Lee Curtis is like

[13:34] locked in on like

[13:36] the aunt role.

[13:37] Yes.

[13:37] I believe it a thousand percent.

Elliott Kalan

[13:40] I mean,

[13:40] Jamie Lee Curtis

[13:40] is really good in this.

[13:41] It's not a good part,

[13:43] but she's really good in it.

[13:44] And I will say that

[13:45] the only person,

[13:46] her only rival for loving

[13:48] and adoring Ella McKay

[13:50] is Julie Kavner.

[13:51] These two characters,

[13:52] like,

[13:52] she has two strong older women

[13:53] who are always in her corner.

[13:55] And,

[13:55] you know,

[13:56] that's something to be said.

[13:58] And I think there is something

[13:59] about the way Ella talks

[14:00] and the way that Aunt Helen talks,

[14:01] which at times made me feel like

[14:03] James O. Brooks

[14:03] was trying to write

[14:04] almost kind of

[14:05] Wes Anderson-y

[14:05] type characters.

[14:07] There's a,

[14:07] like,

[14:08] Ella's like,

[14:09] you still love me,

[14:09] don't you,

[14:10] Aunt Helen?

[14:10] And Aunt Helen's like,

[14:11] ridiculously.

[14:12] And there's a part where

[14:13] Aunt Helen says to Woody Harrelson,

[14:14] like,

[14:15] I will never forgive you.

[14:16] I love you.

[14:17] If there's anything you need,

[14:18] call me.

[14:18] And that's a very kind of like

[14:19] Wes Anderson-y

[14:20] type of thing.

Dan McCoy

[14:21] I think that James L. Brooks

[14:22] has been writing

[14:23] dialogue like that

[14:25] for years.

[14:25] It's just been in better movies.

Elliott Kalan

[14:27] Maybe.

[14:27] I don't think of him

[14:28] as sounding that kind of like,

[14:30] that kind of like,

[14:31] cute or kind of like,

[14:33] what's the word?

[14:34] Like,

[14:35] coy is not the word

[14:36] I'm looking for,

[14:37] but like glib.

[14:37] There's a glibness to it

[14:38] that I don't associate

[14:39] with James L. Brooks,

[14:40] you know.

Dan McCoy

[14:41] But I don't know.

[14:42] I think you misremember.

Elliott Kalan

[14:43] Maybe.

[14:44] And also,

[14:44] Helen looks at

[14:45] Ella's papers from school

[14:47] and she smiles

[14:48] at the teacher's comment,

[14:49] which says-

[14:49] Helen and Ella,

Stuart Wellington

[14:50] that's crazy, right?

[14:52] That is crazy, man.

[14:52] That is crazy.

[14:53] That's Helen and Ella, yeah.

[14:54] Man, man,

[14:54] those vowel sounds

Dan McCoy

[14:55] are so similar, man.

[14:57] It's like they took

Elliott Kalan

[14:58] one name

[14:59] and put it inside

[15:00] another name.

[15:02] Because Helen

[15:03] is like Ella

[15:04] with an H

[15:04] and an N

[15:05] and you take the A

[15:06] and put an E in there

[15:07] instead and move

Dan McCoy

[15:07] one of the L's.

[15:08] Helen ate Ella.

Elliott Kalan

[15:11] Guys,

[15:11] have you heard the story

[15:13] about how

[15:14] Six was afraid of Seven?

[15:16] You're never going to believe

[15:18] what Seven did to Nine.

[15:19] It feels good to be seen

Stuart Wellington

[15:23] by you guys,

[15:23] you know,

[15:24] to be understood.

Elliott Kalan

[15:26] So,

[15:26] Helen smiles.

[15:27] The teacher has written

[15:28] on Ella's report,

[15:29] you can be a force for good,

[15:30] which feels like

[15:32] a very on-the-nose

[15:33] comment from a teacher

[15:34] on a paper.

[15:35] Anyway,

[15:35] we go back to 2008.

[15:37] There's a reporter

[15:37] pursuing Ella.

[15:38] We don't know why yet.

[15:39] Ella goes to the

[15:40] fundraising phone room

[15:41] where state legislators

[15:43] spend seven hours a day

[15:45] off,

[15:46] away from the state capital,

[15:47] just calling to raise funds

[15:48] for the party

[15:49] and she sees Governor Bill,

[15:50] James Elbrook's brother,

[15:51] Albert Brooks.

[15:52] I'm just kidding.

Stuart Wellington

[15:53] They're not really related.

[15:54] Also,

[15:54] also with a really cool wig.

Elliott Kalan

[15:56] He also has a great wig.

[15:57] I mean,

[15:58] Albert Brooks,

[15:58] also really good in this movie.

[16:00] Not a surprise.

[16:00] He's Albert Brooks.

[16:01] He's a genius.

[16:02] You know.

Dan McCoy

[16:03] No,

[16:03] if there's one reason

[16:05] to see this movie,

[16:05] it's Albert Brooks.

[16:06] I wish he was in more of it.

Elliott Kalan

[16:08] I wish this was

[16:09] an Albert Brooks movie.

[16:10] And he also has a weird wig.

[16:12] And they're not really brothers.

[16:12] Albert Brooks' brothers,

[16:13] of course,

[16:14] the late Super Dave Osborne.

[16:16] He tells her,

[16:17] he goes,

[16:18] I'm going to be appointed

[16:18] to the cabinet,

[16:19] secretary of the interior,

[16:20] which fights the idea

[16:22] that this is Rhode Island.

[16:23] Because if you're going to

[16:24] appoint a governor

[16:25] secretary of the interior,

[16:26] usually they come from

[16:27] a western or midwestern state,

[16:29] a large state,

[16:30] or a swing state.

[16:31] Rhode Island is essentially

[16:33] useless in the electoral college.

Dan McCoy

[16:36] When you're balancing

[16:37] your cabinet,

Elliott Kalan

[16:37] you don't usually put,

[16:39] unless he just represents

[16:40] the northeast,

Dan McCoy

[16:41] you know,

[16:42] basically,

Elliott Kalan

[16:42] or the mid-northeast.

Stuart Wellington

[16:44] This was 2008, dude,

[16:44] a different time.

[16:45] That's true.

[16:46] It was a different time.

[16:46] When Rhode Island

[16:47] was much bigger.

[16:47] When Rhode Island was king.

Elliott Kalan

[16:49] Before Rhode Island

[16:49] fought that war

[16:51] against California

[16:51] and lost all that territory.

[16:53] Yeah,

Stuart Wellington

[16:53] the reparations

[16:54] they had to pay.

[16:55] It was crazy.

Elliott Kalan

[16:55] Yeah, yeah.

[16:56] So anyway,

[16:57] he goes,

[16:58] I'm going to be appointed

[16:59] to the cabinet.

[17:00] You're going to replace me

[17:00] as governor,

[17:01] but she knows

[17:02] she's got a problem.

[17:04] Uh-oh.

[17:05] She goes to

[17:05] Aunt Helen for help.

[17:06] She goes to Helen's

[17:07] bar slash restaurant.

[17:08] So Stuart,

[17:08] you must have loved this

[17:09] seeing that she's a

[17:11] drinks and food salesman.

[17:13] Mostly drinks, right?

Dan McCoy

[17:14] Drinks and food salesman.

Elliott Kalan

[17:17] She's like,

[17:17] what do I have to do

[17:18] to get you into

[17:18] a burrito today?

[17:19] What do I have to say?

[17:21] Can I get it

[17:22] without cilantro?

[17:23] Oh,

[17:23] they put that

[17:23] into the factory.

[17:24] I'm so sorry.

Stuart Wellington

[17:25] A, B, C.

[17:26] Always be chomping.

Elliott Kalan

[17:29] Is that what

[17:30] Glengarry Glen Ross

[17:31] starring Jabberjaw

[17:32] is about?

[17:35] So,

[17:35] um,

[17:35] unfortunately,

[17:36] her dad is there

[17:37] and she gets really flustered.

[17:38] She does not want to see him.

Stuart Wellington

[17:39] No leads.

[17:40] No leads.

Elliott Kalan

[17:43] If only you gave us

[17:44] the Glengarry leads.

[17:48] the, uh,

[17:48] so,

[17:49] uh,

[17:49] they, uh,

[17:50] we also meet her

[17:51] security detail,

[17:53] Kumail Nanjiani,

[17:53] as Nash,

[17:55] uh,

[17:55] the guy who is her

[17:56] devoted bodyguard.

[17:57] Um,

[17:58] that,

[17:58] because her dad

[17:59] is at Ellen's,

[18:00] that means we get,

[18:01] at Helen's,

[18:01] not Ellen's,

[18:02] I'm sorry,

[18:02] Ellen's would be

[18:03] by the book,

[18:04] the bookstore

[18:04] that Ellen DeGeneres

[18:05] owned in the TV show

[18:06] Ellen.

[18:07] I apologize.

[18:08] Uh,

[18:08] this is Helen's.

[18:09] Uh,

[18:09] so Ella flashes back

[18:11] to her mom's funeral

[18:12] and, uh,

[18:13] she's mad when

[18:14] a,

[18:15] one of the mourners

[18:16] is clearly someone.

[18:17] She's mad because

Dan McCoy

[18:17] Rebecca Hall's

[18:18] not in the movie anymore.

Elliott Kalan

[18:19] I mean,

[18:19] I was mad that

[18:20] Rebecca Hall wasn't in the movie.

[18:20] She's like,

[18:21] sorry,

[18:21] I gotta go talk

Dan McCoy

[18:22] to King Kong some more.

Elliott Kalan

[18:23] And I'm like,

[18:23] you can do so much

[18:25] more than that.

[18:26] Uh,

Stuart Wellington

[18:26] sorry,

[18:26] I have no patience

[18:27] for your wig options.

Elliott Kalan

[18:30] She goes,

[18:31] uh,

[18:31] she goes,

[18:32] she's mad that

[18:33] one of her dad's,

[18:34] um,

[18:35] like lovers

[18:36] has come by

[18:37] to grieve

[18:37] and Ella refuses

[18:39] to cry in front of everybody.

[18:40] She has her brother

[18:41] stand guard

[18:41] outside of her bedroom

[18:42] so she can cry inside

[18:43] and then they cry together.

[18:45] Um,

[18:45] it's a sad scene.

[18:46] There's no,

[18:47] and I think Helen

[18:47] might cry too.

[18:48] Uh,

[18:48] it's a lot of crying.

[18:49] So Ella goes to see her dad.

[18:51] It's awkward between them

[18:52] and he goes,

[18:52] I met another woman.

[18:53] She wants me to make amends

[18:55] and with my kids

[18:56] and Ella gets upset

[18:57] and storms out.

[18:58] Uh,

[18:59] and Ella reveals her aunt

[19:00] what her secret is.

[19:01] Uh-oh,

[19:02] what is the devastating secret

[19:03] that could sink

[19:04] her political career

[19:05] before it barely even started?

[19:07] It turns out that she

[19:08] and her husband Ryan

[19:09] who you may know as River

[19:10] from Slow Horses.

[19:12] Yay!

[19:12] Yeah,

[19:13] uh,

[19:13] she and her husband Ryan,

[19:15] they have a hard time

[19:16] finding time to be together

[19:17] and they want to raise a family.

[19:18] So at lunchtime,

[19:20] she will meet him

[19:20] at a city-owned apartment

[19:23] and they will have sex

[19:24] during lunch

[19:24] and that's the scandal.

Stuart Wellington

[19:27] Yeah.

[19:28] What's that called,

[19:28] Dan?

[19:29] That's called,

[19:29] what's that?

[19:30] Well,

[19:30] in this case,

[19:31] apparently,

Dan McCoy

[19:32] it's misappropriation of funds

[19:34] because, like,

[19:34] public property,

[19:35] yeah.

[19:35] They're using,

[19:36] uh,

[19:37] yeah,

[19:37] public,

[19:38] uh,

[19:39] property for a private matter.

[19:41] Now,

[19:41] oh,

[19:42] and also her name

[19:42] is in the Epstein files.

[19:43] We should mention that.

[19:44] That's the other problem,

[19:44] yeah.

[19:45] Oh,

[19:45] God.

[19:46] Not,

[19:46] not Ellen McKay.

[19:47] She was the best of us.

[19:48] Oh,

[19:48] no,

[19:48] she was.

[19:49] Uh,

[19:50] no,

[19:50] I mean,

[19:50] the movie,

[19:51] to its credit,

[19:52] knows that this is not a big deal.

[19:54] It only becomes a big deal

[19:55] when River,

[19:57] the idiot husband,

[19:58] tries to cover it up.

[20:00] But,

[20:01] you know,

[20:01] it is one of these cases

[20:02] where you see

[20:04] what you're talking about,

[20:05] Elliot,

[20:06] that,

[20:06] that Ella is so rigid

[20:07] that she's,

[20:08] like,

[20:08] freaking out over this non-issue.

[20:11] Yeah.

[20:11] Like,

[20:12] makes it an issue for herself.

[20:13] But,

[20:13] like,

[20:13] oh,

Stuart Wellington

[20:13] I gotta get ahead of this,

[20:14] you know,

[20:15] like,

[20:15] no one,

Dan McCoy

[20:17] like,

[20:17] no one would have known

[20:18] that it's misappropriation.

[20:20] So,

[20:20] like,

[20:21] they would have just been like,

[20:21] oh,

[20:22] okay,

[20:22] uh,

[20:23] a married couple

[20:24] had sex.

[20:26] Yeah.

[20:26] Oh,

[20:26] terrible.

Elliott Kalan

[20:27] And now,

[20:27] and later in the movie,

[20:28] they're like,

[20:28] your poll numbers are up.

[20:29] Now that people know about it.

[20:30] But,

[20:31] there's a reporter

[20:31] who's blackmailing her

[20:32] saying that he wants

[20:33] special access,

[20:34] um,

[20:35] to her,

[20:36] I guess,

[20:37] in exchange.

[20:37] Yeah.

[20:38] And she's like,

[20:38] no,

[20:38] I refuse.

[20:39] When,

[20:39] in reality,

[20:40] this seems like

[20:40] the easiest thing

[20:41] you could possibly do.

[20:43] It's like,

[20:43] yeah,

[20:43] I'll give you an interview.

[20:44] Sure.

[20:44] But,

[20:44] also.

[20:45] So,

Stuart Wellington

[20:45] I think after,

[20:46] yeah,

[20:46] after this is revealed,

[20:47] she,

[20:48] you know,

[20:49] she meets with her husband

[20:50] to talk about it.

[20:51] And there's a scene

[20:52] where they,

[20:52] it's just after they've had sex

[20:54] and they're lying in bed together.

[20:55] And she has,

[20:56] like,

Dan McCoy

[20:59] I have to assume

[21:00] it's just like

Elliott Kalan

[21:01] in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen,

[21:03] the comics,

[21:03] where Mina always has

[21:04] a scarf around her neck

[21:05] to cover the scars

[21:06] from when Dracula bit her.

[21:08] And when she is having sex

[21:09] with Alan Quatermain,

[21:11] the,

[21:11] uh,

[21:11] it comes loose

[21:12] and he sees how horribly

[21:13] she's been scarred

[21:14] by,

[21:14] by the count,

[21:15] you know.

Dan McCoy

[21:15] She does seem like

[21:16] someone Dracula would bite.

[21:17] Oh,

[21:18] for sure.

Elliott Kalan

[21:18] Oh,

[21:19] for sure.

[21:19] To seduce and corrupt

[21:20] a pure soul like hers.

[21:21] Oh,

[21:22] he would love that.

[21:22] He'd love that shit.

[21:23] He ain't too crazy for it.

[21:24] He'd totally get Ryan drunk

[21:26] and have him sign a contract

[21:27] that says in three days

[21:29] he gets his wife.

[21:30] Wow.

Dan McCoy

[21:31] Uh,

[21:31] now at this point

[21:32] you may be asking yourself,

[21:33] Ella McKay,

Elliott Kalan

[21:35] your husband signed contract.

[21:39] His pizza place

[21:41] and I get you.

[21:43] And she'd be like,

[21:43] well,

[21:44] Dracula,

[21:44] I don't think this contract

[21:45] is going to hold up in court.

Dan McCoy

[21:46] Oh,

[21:47] no,

[21:47] what am I going to do?

Elliott Kalan

[21:48] Oh,

[21:48] this is hard for me,

[21:50] but I'm pushing through it.

[21:51] Okay,

[21:51] Dracula.

[21:52] Actually,

[21:52] now I wish that was the movie

[21:53] we were watching.

Dan McCoy

[21:55] Well,

[21:56] this kind of ties into

[21:56] what I was going to say.

[21:57] What an amazing movie

[21:58] this would have been

[21:58] if it's like,

Elliott Kalan

[21:59] well,

[22:00] Ella,

[22:00] I'm going to be in the cabinet

[22:01] so you're lieutenant governor now

[22:03] but Dracula's in town.

[22:05] Oh,

[22:05] no,

[22:05] I'm going to have to deal with that.

[22:06] That would be great.

[22:07] I've just been governor for a day

[22:08] and I've got to deal with Dracula.

[22:10] That's a big deal in Rhode Island.

[22:11] Yeah,

[22:12] he has a lot of history

[22:14] with Rhode Island.

[22:15] Not all of it good.

[22:16] Let's just say that.

Dan McCoy

[22:17] Well,

[22:18] he came to America

[22:18] and was mad it wasn't an island.

[22:20] That was the first thing.

Elliott Kalan

[22:21] This is very much part

[22:23] of the mainland.

[22:24] I have not been this lied to

[22:26] since I went to Greenland.

[22:29] Oh,

Stuart Wellington

[22:29] man,

[22:31] don't get him started.

[22:33] Don't put him in front of

[22:34] the fucking brick wall.

[22:35] We'll be here all night.

[22:36] I have two,

Elliott Kalan

[22:37] I have two drives

[22:38] that obsess me.

[22:40] One

[22:40] is corrupting the world

[22:42] so I can be returned

[22:43] to my true love

[22:44] who died centuries ago.

[22:45] I have swum oceans of time

[22:47] to find her

[22:47] and the other

[22:48] is misidentification

[22:50] of geographical features.

Dan McCoy

[22:53] And why is there

[22:54] a West Virginia

[22:55] when there is only

[22:57] a Virginia?

[22:58] Why does Virginia

[22:59] get to be Virginia

[23:00] but West Virginia

[23:01] has to be West Virginia?

[23:03] Well,

[23:03] Dracula,

[23:04] it has to do with the history.

Elliott Kalan

[23:05] Take it in East Virginia.

[23:06] Well,

[23:06] Dracula,

[23:06] it has to do with the history

[23:07] of that state

[23:08] during the Civil War.

[23:09] We can get into it.

[23:09] There was a very good reason.

[23:11] Dracula,

[23:14] now I'm just immortal

[23:15] and I can keep telling you

[23:16] about how West Virginia

[23:17] slipped from Virginia.

[23:18] Oh,

[23:19] no.

[23:19] I'm stuck with this guy.

[23:20] Oh,

[23:21] no.

[23:22] The judge said

[23:25] I have to be his butler

[23:26] for a month.

Dan McCoy

[23:29] Well,

[23:29] sorry.

[23:30] The thing I wanted to mention

[23:31] a long time ago

[23:32] is the listener

[23:32] probably at this point

[23:33] is thinking for themselves.

[23:35] Yeah.

[23:35] What is L&BK about?

Elliott Kalan

[23:38] Well,

[23:38] guess what,

[23:39] Dan,

[23:39] because we're about

[23:39] to get a totally

[23:40] different storyline

[23:41] because L is

[23:41] brother Casey

[23:42] is not talking to her

[23:43] and she has to figure that out.

[23:45] So she says,

[23:46] I'm going to go to my brother's.

[23:47] We're going to skip the scene

[23:48] rant.

[23:48] Helen is mad at her dad

[23:50] because who cares.

[23:51] On the way to Casey's apartment,

[23:54] Nash tries to talk to L

[23:55] about how his mom

[23:56] fell in a pool once

[23:57] and is a story

[23:58] that is totally pointless

[23:59] but it makes L laugh

[24:00] and it feels like the movie

[24:02] is trying very hard

[24:03] to hint at an emerging romance

[24:06] between these characters

[24:07] without actually having it happen.

[24:09] Yeah.

[24:09] And so it felt like

[24:11] the movie was edging me

[24:13] with the implication

[24:14] of possible romance

[24:15] and never actually going into it.

Dan McCoy

[24:16] At the end,

[24:18] without getting ahead of ourselves,

[24:20] Kumail ends up

[24:21] working the same place

[24:22] where Ella is working

[24:24] and I guess

[24:25] we're supposed to infer

[24:26] maybe that

[24:27] something's happening

[24:28] but it is never expressed.

[24:30] No.

Elliott Kalan

[24:31] So back at her office,

[24:32] Governor Bill says

[24:34] he's officially resigning.

[24:35] I'm going to be

[24:35] Secretary of the Interior.

[24:36] I have to deal with the fact

[24:38] that Dracula thinks

[24:39] this is an island

[24:40] and he's real mad about it.

[24:41] So you're governor

[24:42] until the next election

[24:43] and she says,

[24:43] hey,

[24:44] before you leave,

[24:45] I need you to get votes

[24:46] for this Aid for Expectant Mothers

[24:48] bill that I want to pass.

[24:49] It's the kind of bill

[24:50] that I think in 2008

[24:53] was the kind of thing

[24:54] that a liberal Democrat

[24:55] would put a lot of stake into.

[24:56] It's like we need prenatal care

[24:59] and counseling

[24:59] for expectant mothers

[25:01] whereas now in 2026,

[25:03] the big issues for Democrats

[25:04] are how do we get a mad king

[25:07] off the throne of the country?

[25:10] How do we stop people

[25:11] from being shot in the streets

[25:12] by masked thugs?

[25:14] But in 2008,

[25:15] a simpler time.

[25:16] And how do we complain about it

Stuart Wellington

[25:17] in a way

[25:18] where we're not being like

[25:19] shrill or annoying?

[25:21] Yeah, exactly.

Elliott Kalan

[25:24] Well,

[25:25] that's not even getting started that.

[25:26] So he tells her,

[25:28] he says,

[25:28] people find you annoying

[25:29] and you need to fix that.

[25:30] Your job is making dumb people

[25:32] not feel dumb.

[25:33] And if you want to get

[25:34] anything accomplished,

[25:35] you've got to do that.

[25:35] And she goes out

[25:36] to greet reporters.

[25:37] The news is already broken.

[25:38] Her husband, Ryan,

[25:39] shows up and twirls her

[25:40] in the hallway.

[25:41] They dance a little bit.

[25:42] Her husband,

[25:42] it's set up here.

[25:43] She's very rigid.

[25:45] She's very noble,

[25:46] but in a way

[25:46] that is off-putting to people.

[25:47] And he is just kind of

[25:49] loosey-goosey,

[25:49] the fun guy

[25:50] in the relationship.

[25:52] Flashback to 17 years earlier.

[25:54] Glad we're flashing,

[25:56] back again.

[25:57] Their high school

[25:57] significant others.

[25:58] More wigs.

[25:59] More wigs.

[25:59] The most complex

Dan McCoy

[26:01] screenplay structure

[26:02] for just a simple dramedy.

Elliott Kalan

[26:05] It's like as if

[26:06] Memento

[26:07] was just about a dude.

[26:09] And like,

[26:09] there was no stuff

[26:10] about memory loss.

[26:11] There was nothing about

[26:12] his wife

[26:13] possibly having been murdered.

[26:14] And it was just about

[26:15] a guy going about his day,

[26:17] but still cut up and down

[26:18] like it was the Limey,

[26:19] you know,

[26:19] or something like that.

[26:20] So,

[26:21] they flashback to Helen

[26:24] catching teenage Ryan,

[26:26] who again looks like

[26:26] an adult wearing a wig,

[26:28] sneaking out of Ella's bedroom.

[26:30] Helen confronts Ella about it

[26:31] and gives her a little speech

[26:32] about how

[26:32] this is the first time

[26:33] Ella has lied to her

[26:34] when she says that

[26:35] she hasn't slept with this guy

[26:37] or whatever.

[26:37] But everything turns out okay.

[26:38] Their love is undeniable.

[26:40] And while she's walking

Stuart Wellington

[26:41] down the street

[26:41] and Helen yells,

[26:43] did you use a Johnny?

[26:45] Yeah.

[26:45] And all the neighbors

[26:46] are like,

[26:47] what?

Elliott Kalan

[26:47] And the neighbors were like,

[26:48] who's Johnny?

[26:49] She said.

[26:50] Yeah,

[26:50] they're all rocking.

[26:51] Yeah.

[26:52] So,

[26:52] Ellen Ryan have a scene

[26:54] where he talks about

[26:54] how great she is.

[26:56] Then,

[26:57] she goes to college

[26:58] and he's just showing up

[26:59] all the time

[26:59] pretending to be riding a horse.

[27:01] And she is charmed by this

[27:03] even though it seemed like

[27:04] the kind of thing

[27:04] a maniac does.

[27:05] Like,

[27:06] it seemed

[27:06] borderline sociopathic

[27:08] that he just keeps showing up

[27:10] every weekend at college

[27:10] to like goof off

[27:12] in front of her

[27:12] and make her laugh.

[27:13] But I guess when she's down,

[27:14] he was her clown,

[27:15] you know.

[27:16] And so,

[27:17] they get married.

[27:18] He buries the hatchet with Helen

[27:19] because he loves Ella so much.

[27:21] And,

[27:21] you know,

[27:22] and they have their wedding ceremony.

[27:23] And I think one thing I liked here,

[27:25] their wedding was

[27:26] believably under attended.

[27:28] There were not a lot of people

[27:30] at the wedding.

[27:30] And I was like,

[27:31] okay,

[27:31] I buy that.

[27:31] This is not a 400 person wedding.

[27:33] Something like that.

[27:33] Well,

Stuart Wellington

[27:34] she doesn't have a lot of friends.

[27:35] Although everybody loves her

[27:37] and she doesn't have much family.

[27:38] She's easy to love.

[27:39] She's hard to like.

Dan McCoy

[27:41] Yeah.

[27:41] I will say this about,

[27:42] so their relationship,

[27:44] like,

[27:46] it's one of these cases

[27:46] where he is portrayed

[27:48] as like,

[27:49] kind of a doofus.

[27:50] Like,

[27:51] maybe it's a red flag.

[27:52] Maybe even a little bit of a goofus.

Elliott Kalan

[27:53] He's not a gallant,

[27:54] that's for sure.

Dan McCoy

[27:55] It's a red flag

[27:56] that he's so fixated on her

[27:58] at the beginning,

[27:59] you know.

[28:01] But,

[28:01] but his heel turn

[28:02] is so extreme.

[28:03] It's pretty wild.

[28:05] I'm like,

[28:05] I don't know that this is the same man

[28:07] that we were introduced to earlier.

[28:08] No,

[28:08] no,

Elliott Kalan

[28:08] but it's because his heel turn

[28:10] is under the influence

[28:10] of Becky Ann Baker,

[28:11] his ambitious mother,

[28:13] who's the Lady Macbeth

[28:13] of Rhode Island,

[28:14] I guess.

[28:14] And I have to admit,

[28:16] if Becky Ann Baker

[28:16] was like,

[28:17] you need to do this,

[28:18] I'd be like,

[28:18] yes,

[28:18] ma'am,

[28:18] I will.

[28:19] I'm sorry.

[28:20] Of course I will.

[28:22] So,

[28:23] back to-

Dan McCoy

[28:23] I'll have my husband,

[28:24] the lizard,

[28:25] attack you.

Elliott Kalan

[28:27] He never got to meet

[28:28] the lizard,

[28:28] Dan.

[28:28] He was only Kurt Connors.

[28:30] Or my brother,

Elliott Kalan

[28:30] Joe Don Baker.

Dan McCoy

[28:33] He carries around

[28:34] a two-by-four

[28:34] and whacks people with it.

Elliott Kalan

[28:35] I go,

[28:36] ah,

[28:36] a monster.

[28:37] She goes,

[28:37] no,

[28:37] I'm just wearing the work

[28:38] of my other brother,

[28:39] Rick Baker.

[28:43] So,

[28:44] back to 2008,

[28:45] which again is the present

[28:46] of the movie.

[28:47] People are in favor

[28:48] of Governor Ella.

[28:49] They love the footage

[28:50] of her dancing

[28:50] with her husband

[28:51] in the hallways.

[28:52] Remember,

[28:52] this is 2008

[28:53] when people liked

[28:54] nice things

[28:54] and when things were-

[28:56] people liked being happy

[28:57] as opposed to now

[28:57] when people prefer

[28:58] to be angry all the time.

[29:00] And he goes,

[29:00] I'll solve this reporter problem.

[29:02] And it turns out

[29:03] Ryan was the one,

[29:04] this is the husband Ryan,

[29:05] who revealed

[29:05] their lunch sex habit

[29:07] to the reporter

[29:07] and he says,

[29:09] hey,

[29:09] you got to enjoy

[29:09] this promotion.

[29:10] You got to enjoy it.

[29:11] He seems real creepy

[29:12] at this point to me.

[29:14] Ella calls Helen the big-

Stuart Wellington

[29:15] Why did he reveal it?

[29:17] Was he just bragging?

[29:18] What's going on?

[29:18] I think he was just bragging

Elliott Kalan

[29:19] that he had sex.

[29:20] I'm not sure.

[29:21] I'm not quite sure

[29:22] why he did it.

[29:23] I get it.

[29:24] I mean,

[29:24] it seems like he's just

[29:25] kind of a,

[29:25] like Dan said,

[29:26] he's kind of a doof.

[29:27] Maybe he didn't know

[29:28] that he was spilling

[29:29] something partly dangerous.

Stuart Wellington

[29:33] He's still a slow horse,

[29:34] you know?

Elliott Kalan

[29:36] He's much slower.

[29:37] Well, actually,

[29:38] you know what?

[29:38] It fits with,

[29:39] in slow horses,

[29:39] his whole problem

[29:40] is that he's super competent,

[29:42] but he always jumps the gun.

[29:43] He's always too quick

[29:45] to run into action.

[29:46] So it's kind of similar here.

[29:47] Yeah,

[29:47] Jack Loudon is just

[29:48] the guy who does things

[29:49] too quickly,

[29:50] you know?

[29:50] Okay,

[29:51] so Ella calls Helen.

[29:53] They briefly argue

[29:53] about Ryan

[29:54] before they cry together again.

[29:55] There's a lot of Ella

[29:56] and Helen crying together.

[29:57] And I wish the movie

[29:58] made that more of

[29:58] like a running gag.

[29:59] It seems to take it,

[30:00] I think,

[30:01] sincerely each time.

[30:02] But it starts to get funny

[30:03] how often they just

[30:04] cry together.

[30:05] Ella tells Nash

[30:06] she wants him

[30:06] staying on her security detail.

[30:08] She does not want

[30:08] the governor's official security detail.

[30:10] Every time you say Nash,

Stuart Wellington

[30:10] I think you're talking

Dan McCoy

[30:10] about Nash Bridges.

[30:11] I know.

[30:12] Is that weird?

[30:12] No, no.

[30:13] I mean,

[30:13] there is basically

[30:14] just one Nash.

Stuart Wellington

[30:15] I mean,

[30:16] there's Niecy Nash,

[30:16] but Nash Bridges.

[30:17] Come on,

[30:18] there's Graham Nash.

[30:19] Like,

[30:19] there are other Nash's,

[30:20] but at this point,

[30:21] you think Nash Bridges.

[30:22] Yeah, exactly.

[30:23] Yeah.

Dan McCoy

[30:24] If you're gonna Nash,

[30:25] you think Bridges.

[30:26] If you're making a trailer

Stuart Wellington

[30:27] I don't always Nash,

[30:29] but when I do,

[30:29] I Bridges.

[30:31] If you're making a trailer

[30:32] for a show

[30:33] called Nash Bridges,

[30:34] you know it's just people

[30:35] saying Nash over and over.

Elliott Kalan

[30:36] Here's the thing.

[30:37] You know what?

[30:38] I'll buy it with that

[30:39] because it's Don Johnson,

[30:40] right?

[30:41] As Nash Bridges.

[30:42] If there's anyone

[30:42] who's reached that level of,

[30:44] his character can just have

[30:44] his name said over and over again.

[30:46] Guys.

Dan McCoy

[30:46] Yeah.

[30:47] Guys.

[30:47] Yeah.

[30:48] I got a money-making scheme.

[30:50] Okay.

[30:51] We make a documentary

[30:53] about Nashville's bridges.

[30:56] The bridges in the city of Nashville

[30:58] called Nash Bridges.

[30:59] We put it up.

[31:01] Watch the money roll in.

[31:02] It's our own mockbuster.

[31:04] It's a doc mockbuster.

[31:05] You're right, Dan,

Elliott Kalan

[31:06] because also Nash Bridges

[31:07] is still a huge hit.

[31:09] A huge current hit.

[31:10] Yeah.

[31:10] It's still enormous.

[31:12] Does Nashville have bridges in it?

[31:13] There must be at least one, right?

[31:15] I've never been there.

[31:15] It's gotta be.

[31:16] You gotta be.

[31:16] It's gotta be a bridge.

Stuart Wellington

[31:17] It's like if you have

[31:18] a character named Jag,

[31:19] the whole trailer

[31:19] is gonna be nothing

[31:20] but people saying Jag over and over.

[31:22] But he's not called Jag.

Elliott Kalan

[31:22] Again, Jag is his job.

[31:23] He's a judge advocate general

[31:25] in the Navy.

[31:25] His name is not Jag.

[31:26] Really?

[31:27] Who turns into a Jaguar?

[31:28] You're thinking of the show Dag

[31:29] starring David Allen Greer.

[31:31] Yeah.

[31:32] Yeah.

[31:33] He refers to a Jaguar

[31:34] because the show is about

[31:35] the first Jaguar ever

[31:36] to serve in the Navy

[31:37] for the United States.

[31:39] They go,

[31:39] I don't know if we should

[31:40] keep him on an aircraft carrier

[31:41] so he is a Jaguar.

[31:44] So anyway,

[31:46] so...

[31:47] That was your Jaguar.

[31:48] Yeah, that was it.

[31:49] No, it's good.

[31:49] I don't know what they sound like.

[31:51] I think it's after sex

[31:52] that Ella tells Ryan

[31:53] she doesn't want to move

[31:53] into the governor's mansion

[31:54] right away

[31:55] and he's clearly disappointed.

[31:56] He wants to live the life

[31:57] of the first gentleman

[31:59] of the state

[32:00] of whatever state this is.

[32:01] He wants to be Todd Palin

[32:03] so badly

[32:03] and I wonder if that's what

[32:04] the inspiration

[32:06] for this character was.

[32:07] I mean, certainly nothing

Dan McCoy

[32:08] in the modern world

[32:10] is an inspiration

[32:10] for this movie.

[32:12] It feels so far out of time

[32:14] in a way that's

[32:14] really unfortunate.

Elliott Kalan

[32:15] It feels like it's weird

[32:17] because 30 years from now

[32:18] if anyone watches this

[32:19] I don't think they'll recognize

[32:20] that it's like a time capsule movie

[32:22] necessarily.

[32:23] Yeah.

[32:23] The same way that

[32:23] I remember it was

[32:24] what's his face who did

[32:26] Richard Linklater once

[32:27] I think I heard him talk

[32:29] about the movie

[32:29] Some Came Running

[32:30] which is a movie

[32:31] that it was made in the 50s

[32:32] but is set in kind of

[32:33] the late 40s

[32:33] and for people at the time

[32:35] they'd be like

[32:35] oh, this is a period piece

[32:36] but now it's hard

[32:37] to tell the difference

[32:37] and I wonder if

[32:38] this kind of feels like

[32:40] it is a period piece

[32:41] but it's also not

[32:42] that period enough

[32:44] that like

[32:45] he's not really saying

[32:46] anything about 2008

[32:47] it feels more like

[32:48] James O'Brooks

[32:48] made a James O'Brooks movie

[32:49] and people were like

[32:50] this isn't how politics

[32:51] works anymore, James.

[32:52] He goes, okay,

[32:52] well it's set in 2008.

[32:53] I don't give a shit.

[32:54] Whatever.

Dan McCoy

[32:54] Yeah, I mean it feels like

[32:55] he had a screenplay

[32:56] that he wrote

[32:57] a while back

[32:58] and finally got the chance

[33:00] to

[33:00] he's like

[33:01] oh, I'll just put a flashback

[33:02] I'll have Julie Kavanagh

[33:03] say like

[33:04] it was a more magical time

[33:06] when we all liked

[33:07] each other still

[33:07] and I'm like

[33:08] I don't know if that was true.

[33:10] Excuse me,

[33:11] Gonzo the Great

[33:12] this is Julie Kavanagh's part.

[33:14] Can you?

Elliott Kalan

[33:15] Oh, shucks.

[33:17] Camilla, let's get out of here.

[33:19] What if

[33:20] what if

[33:20] so

[33:21] okay, so here's what we

[33:22] here's the bit you need to do, Dan.

[33:23] This is your stand-up bit.

Dan McCoy

[33:25] Okay.

[33:26] Finally, at age 47

[33:28] I'm going to get into stand-up.

Elliott Kalan

[33:29] Marge Simpson

[33:30] is calling Homer Simpson

[33:31] for phone sex

[33:32] while Gonzo

[33:33] is calling Camilla

[33:34] for phone sex

[33:35] and the lines get crossed.

[33:37] Suddenly,

[33:37] Gonzo is talking to Homer

[33:38] and Marge is talking

[33:39] to Camilla

[33:40] and it's a series of

[33:41] misunderstandings

[33:42] because they don't know

[33:43] at first that the lines

[33:44] have been crossed.

[33:44] It's going to be

Dan McCoy

[33:45] kind of a Newhart situation.

Elliott Kalan

[33:47] Exactly.

[33:47] It's like

[33:47] I call it a double Newhart

[33:49] because you have to do

[33:49] multiple parts

[33:50] whereas Newhart

[33:51] would just do one part

[33:52] and of course

[33:52] Newhart

[33:54] he would refer to it

[33:57] as a Shelley Berman

[33:57] I suppose

[33:58] since Shelley Berman

[33:59] said that Bob Newhart

[34:00] stole his act

[34:01] even though Shelley Berman

[34:02] didn't invent

[34:02] the talking on the telephone act.

[34:04] George Jessel

[34:05] had done one

[34:05] before Shelley Berman did.

[34:07] So anyway,

[34:07] moving back to Ella McKay.

Dan McCoy

[34:09] This is all

[34:09] very important information.

[34:11] This will all be

[34:12] in your new book

[34:13] Joke Information

[34:15] to Fall Asleep to.

[34:16] Yeah,

[34:16] in my new book

Elliott Kalan

[34:17] Joke Boring

[34:18] How to Be Dull

[34:20] Talking About Comedy.

[34:21] So anyway,

[34:22] it's Inauguration Day.

[34:23] Ella's speech

[34:24] is as honest

[34:25] and strident

[34:25] as it is

[34:27] not poetic.

[34:30] It's long

[34:30] and the voters love her.

[34:32] They're applauding

[34:32] the legislators

[34:33] do not like her.

[34:34] They're like boo.

[34:35] They're literally booing her.

[34:36] Casey is not there

[34:37] and Ryan is miffed

[34:38] He's at the bat.

[34:40] And Ryan is miffed

[34:41] that she didn't thank him

[34:42] in the speech

[34:43] and one of the few jokes

[34:44] that I thought

[34:44] was really funny

[34:45] in this was

[34:45] the governor

[34:47] has a slip of paper

[34:48] passed to her

[34:48] that says thank me

[34:49] and then as the speech

[34:51] goes on

[34:51] he passes another slip of paper

[34:52] that says

[34:52] don't mention me.

[34:53] or just like mention me

[34:55] and then like don't mention me

[34:56] and I thought that was funny

[34:57] but Ryan is like

[34:58] you didn't thank me

[34:59] in the speech

[34:59] so what this tells me

[35:00] is that this movie

[35:01] is actually based on

[35:02] Hilary Swank's Oscar win

[35:03] when she forgot to thank

[35:05] her husband

[35:05] in her speech.

[35:07] So there's just so many

[35:08] this is

[35:08] it's a rich text

[35:09] a rich tapestry

[35:10] it's like Ulysses

[35:11] it's pulling from

[35:12] all these different things

[35:13] and the annotated

[35:14] Ella McKay

[35:14] will be very

[35:15] very informative.

[35:17] Helpful yeah.

[35:18] yeah.

[35:18] So she skips out

[35:19] on the donors meeting

[35:20] so she can see her brother

[35:21] her brother Casey

[35:23] can you guys describe Casey

[35:24] for me?

[35:25] What's he like?

Dan McCoy

[35:25] Like a floppy haired

[35:26] guy.

[35:29] Okay.

[35:29] He's a floppy haired guy.

[35:30] I mean he's your

[35:31] typical

[35:32] pop culture

[35:35] like tech guy

[35:37] who's not

[35:38] you know

[35:39] who's awkward

[35:40] in society.

[35:42] He over stimulated

[35:43] low impulse control.

[35:44] He has agoraphobia.

Elliott Kalan

[35:45] He has kind of a shut in

[35:46] by choice.

[35:47] He is very clear

[35:47] that he is not

[35:48] agoraphobic

[35:49] but that he chooses

[35:49] to be inside his

[35:50] apartment all the time

[35:51] and he talks with

[35:52] one of these kind of

[35:53] like you know

[35:53] your standard

[35:54] Rhode Island accents.

[35:55] I'm vaguely

[35:56] East Coastie

[35:56] Rhode Island.

[35:58] No one else has

[35:59] that accent

[35:59] in the entire movie

[36:00] but he really

[36:01] pours it on

[36:01] and she goes

[36:04] to meet him.

[36:05] He plays

[36:05] a phone message

[36:06] from their dad's

[36:07] new girlfriend

[36:08] who feels

[36:09] surprisingly emotional

[36:10] and Ella

[36:11] just kind of

[36:13] starts to

[36:13] she's just trying

[36:14] to she won't

[36:15] leave him alone

[36:15] basically.

[36:16] She's like

[36:16] why aren't you

[36:17] talking to me?

[36:18] She accidentally

[36:19] drinks her brother's

[36:20] cannabis drink

[36:21] and also eats

[36:22] his pot cookie.

[36:23] Uh oh.

Stuart Wellington

[36:23] And he's too busy

[36:24] to stop her

[36:25] because he's running

[36:26] his online sports

[36:27] betting advice job.

Elliott Kalan

[36:29] Where he makes

[36:29] two million dollars

Stuart Wellington

[36:30] a year.

Dan McCoy

[36:30] Well at first

[36:31] he seems to think

[36:32] that she knows

[36:33] what she's drinking

[36:34] because she's like

[36:35] there's cannabis

[36:36] stuff all over

[36:37] the can

[36:37] but of course

[36:38] she's a square.

[36:40] She doesn't

[36:40] even think about it.

[36:41] And you think

[36:41] this is setting her up

Elliott Kalan

[36:42] for a scene

[36:43] where she has to

[36:43] meet with the donors

[36:44] while high

[36:45] instead no.

[36:46] She says

[36:46] I'm just going to

[36:47] stay at my brother's

[36:48] house.

[36:48] Phew.

[36:49] Funny scene

[36:50] averted.

[36:52] I'm glad we didn't

[36:53] have to sit through

[36:54] that possible

[36:54] comic invention.

Stuart Wellington

[36:55] A scene where she's

[36:56] like talking to

[36:57] somebody and then

[36:57] their head morphs

[36:58] into like a bug head

[37:00] and they're like

[37:00] what?

Elliott Kalan

[37:01] Have you smoked

[37:01] pot stew?

[37:03] Yeah.

[37:03] All the time.

Dan McCoy

[37:05] And then it sets up

[37:05] you know

[37:07] like outside

[37:08] Kumail.

[37:11] Tell us about the

[37:12] real main story

[37:12] of the movie.

[37:13] Yeah.

[37:14] There's a long

[37:15] scene where

Stuart Wellington

[37:16] Kumail's partner

[37:16] is like

[37:17] Kumail's partner

[37:18] played by James

[37:18] L. Brooks' son.

[37:19] I want

[37:20] Oh I didn't know that.

[37:21] He's not bad.

[37:22] He's not bad

[37:22] in this part.

Dan McCoy

[37:23] No.

[37:24] But he's like

[37:25] very

[37:26] keyed in

[37:28] obsessed with

[37:28] getting overtime

[37:29] because of the

[37:31] extra money

[37:32] they'll get

[37:32] and how

[37:33] like he's

[37:33] he has problems

[37:35] with alimony

[37:36] and he doesn't

[37:37] have any money

[37:37] to take his kids

[37:38] anywhere

[37:39] so he just wants

[37:39] the overtime

[37:40] and Kumail's like

[37:41] no no no

[37:41] we should just

[37:42] leave you know

[37:43] and clock out

[37:44] but they end up

[37:46] having a tremendous

[37:47] amount of overtime

[37:47] and then like

[37:49] they get dressed

[37:50] down for it

[37:50] and Kumail takes

[37:51] the hit

[37:52] but it's

[37:52] I saw someone

[37:53] online

[37:54] I think it was

[37:54] actually

[37:54] Henry Gilbert

[37:56] from the

[37:57] Talking Simpsons

[37:58] podcast

[37:58] was talking

[37:59] talking about

[38:00] how like

[38:00] this is a real

[38:01] marker of like

[38:02] centrist

[38:03] like budget

[38:04] hawk

[38:05] democrats

[38:05] of the time

[38:06] where she's like

[38:07] dressing him down

[38:08] about like

[38:09] getting this overtime

[38:10] people are having trouble

[38:10] paying the rent

Elliott Kalan

[38:11] right now

[38:12] and you're

[38:12] you're squeezing

[38:14] the state

[38:14] for overtime

[38:15] for one night

[38:15] and it is a

[38:16] this is one of those

[38:18] scenes where

Dan McCoy

[38:18] this guy also

[38:19] needs money

Elliott Kalan

[38:20] yeah

[38:21] but also

[38:21] we learn so much

[38:23] more about this

[38:23] guy's

[38:24] life

[38:25] than we do

[38:25] about

[38:25] aunt helen

[38:26] than we do

[38:27] about nash

[38:28] that like

[38:28] it's it's amazing

[38:29] how much time

[38:30] is spent on this

[38:30] character

[38:31] and it means

[38:32] nothing

[38:33] it goes nowhere

[38:33] they have this

[38:34] dressing down scene

[38:35] and nash

[38:35] takes takes

[38:36] the blame

[38:36] if anything

[38:37] it makes him

[38:37] more sympathetic

[38:38] yeah

[38:39] and it's a

[38:40] I kind of wish

[38:42] if this movie

[38:42] had been about

[38:43] there's one woman

[38:45] in government

[38:45] who is so noble

[38:46] and so principled

[38:47] that she kind of

[38:48] doesn't see how

[38:49] government really works

[38:50] which is that

[38:50] everybody is just

[38:51] not in a

[38:52] not in a scheming

[38:53] conniving way

[38:54] but everyone's

[38:55] trying to figure out

[38:55] how to make things

[38:56] work best for themselves

[38:57] like I kind of wish

[38:58] that this was her

[38:59] security detail guy

[39:00] doing this

[39:00] and that

[39:01] you know

[39:01] her

[39:02] Julie Kavner

[39:03] had her own

[39:03] little thing

[39:04] on the side

[39:04] that she was doing

[39:05] like I wish

[39:06] that it was

[39:06] that would

[39:06] at least be

[39:07] that sounds

[39:07] like a funnier

[39:08] movie to me

[39:08] you know

[39:09] that she's

[39:09] kind of oblivious

[39:10] to the low level

[39:11] who gives a shit

[39:12] corruption

[39:13] that's going on

Dan McCoy

[39:13] definitely more

[39:14] complex

[39:15] if like some

[39:16] of the sympathetic

[39:16] characters are

[39:17] allowed to be

[39:18] you know

[39:19] scheming in some

[39:20] way

[39:20] yeah

Elliott Kalan

[39:21] as opposed to

[39:22] there's three

[39:22] noble people

[39:23] in all of

[39:23] Rhode Island

[39:24] Ella McKay

[39:25] Nash

[39:25] and Julie Kavner

[39:26] and everyone else

[39:27] is like

[39:27] but even the

[39:27] people who are

[39:28] kind of corrupt

[39:29] and play games

[39:29] of politics

[39:29] are not that

[39:30] bad

[39:30] you know

[39:31] they're not

[39:31] evil

[39:32] which is probably

[39:33] more real

[39:33] mainly stupid

[39:34] or they're just

[39:36] kind of like

[39:37] misguided

[39:38] or something like

[39:38] that

[39:38] which again

[39:39] feels naive

[39:40] in the way

[39:41] that

[39:41] I hate to get

[39:42] political again

[39:42] but like the people

[39:43] in the government

[39:43] now

[39:43] in the federal

[39:44] government

[39:44] are genuinely

[39:45] evil people

[39:46] who want to

[39:46] do bad things

[39:47] it's not just

[39:48] that they're like

[39:48] misguided

[39:49] and they don't

[39:49] know what

[39:49] they're doing

[39:50] you know

[39:50] so anyway

[39:51] but we get

[39:53] we spend a lot

[39:54] of time

[39:54] on this

[39:55] overtime

[39:55] subplot

[39:56] which is two

[39:56] scenes of

[39:57] not very much

[39:57] Ryan explores

[39:58] the governor

[39:59] mansion

[39:59] he loves it

[40:00] but Ella's

[40:00] going to stay

[40:00] at Casey's

[40:01] for the night

[40:01] and she just

[40:02] lies on his

[40:02] couch

[40:03] and gets high

[40:03] and talks

[40:04] about her

[40:04] feelings

[40:04] and Casey

[40:05] is so annoyed

[40:06] and does not

[40:07] want to listen

[40:07] to any of this

[40:07] she goes on

[40:09] a political rant

[40:09] about her pet

[40:11] project which is

[40:13] to hear dentists

[40:14] in rural areas

[40:15] I think North Carolina

[40:16] and she wants to

[40:17] bring that toward

[40:17] island

[40:17] and the movie

[40:18] seems to think

[40:19] tooth tutors

[40:19] is such a funny

[40:20] phrase

[40:21] later on

[40:21] Julie Cabner's

[40:22] even like

[40:23] it's so fun

[40:24] to say

[40:24] admit it

[40:25] her character is

Stuart Wellington

[40:25] high right

[40:26] so that would

[40:27] make sense

Elliott Kalan

[40:28] but it's

[40:28] I think the movie

[40:29] seems to think

[40:29] that we're

[40:30] gonna like that

[40:30] too

[40:31] and Casey

[40:32] reveals he makes

[40:32] a lot of money

[40:33] and he's agoraphobic

[40:34] by choice

[40:34] he's not

[40:35] he chooses

[40:36] to be a shut in

[40:37] but we're gonna

[40:38] learn later

[40:38] that there's a real

[40:39] reason why he is

[40:41] he is afraid

[40:42] of leaving the apartment

[40:42] and it is a

[40:43] story that

[40:44] I think I read

[40:45] one review

[40:45] that said

[40:46] would have been

[40:47] left on the

[40:47] cutting room floor

[40:48] for time

[40:48] in any other movie

[40:49] but we'll get

[40:51] to that one

[40:51] Ryan's mom

[40:52] Becky Ann Baker

[40:53] she's really mad

[40:54] that Ryan

[40:54] didn't get

[40:54] mentioned in the

[40:55] speech

[40:55] and she's like

[40:56] Lady Macbething him

[40:57] she's like

[40:57] you've gotta demand

[40:58] a role in the

[40:58] government

[40:59] it feels like

[41:00] she's even like

Stuart Wellington

[41:01] it's in the

[41:01] pizza parlor

[41:02] after clothes

[41:03] the pizza parlor

[41:04] they own

[41:04] yeah

[41:05] and it feels like

[41:06] she is lit

[41:07] in a way

[41:07] to be evil

[41:08] like she is lit

[41:10] like from below

Elliott Kalan

[41:11] and this scene

[41:13] has maybe my

[41:14] favorite character

[41:14] in the whole movie

[41:15] which is Ryan's

[41:16] dad

[41:16] who she goes

[41:17] you don't want

[41:17] to be like

[41:18] your father

[41:18] and he's like

[41:19] and we reveal

[41:19] he's in the back

[41:20] and he goes

[41:20] what

[41:21] never mind

[41:22] never mind

[41:22] and she's leaving

[41:22] he goes

[41:23] love you

[41:23] and he's just like

[41:24] this very well

[41:26] meaning old man

[41:27] who seems perfectly

[41:28] happy folding boxes

[41:29] after hours

[41:30] at a pizza place

[41:31] you know

[41:31] I liked him a lot

[41:32] so the next day

[41:34] Ella calls a press

[41:35] conference

[41:35] first she gets mad

[41:37] at Nash

[41:37] and the other guy

[41:38] for racking up

[41:38] their overtime pay

[41:39] again this goes

[41:40] nowhere

[41:40] Ella tells the press

[41:41] about how she had

[41:42] sex at the office

[41:43] Ryan is so mad

[41:44] about it

[41:45] he's like

[41:45] what

[41:46] what did you do

[41:46] and Ella goes

[41:48] to talk to Casey

[41:48] at his place

[41:49] we learn that Casey

[41:50] is upset

[41:51] because

[41:51] a year ago

[41:53] he told his girlfriend

[41:54] that he only wanted

[41:55] to be with her

[41:56] and he was moving

[41:57] a little too fast

[41:58] and he was afraid

[41:58] that she was gonna

[41:59] ghost him

[42:00] so she changed

[42:01] his phone

[42:01] so he changed

[42:02] his phone number

[42:03] so that he wouldn't

[42:04] have to think about

[42:05] how she's not calling him

[42:07] and now it's a year later

[42:08] and he's still fixated

[42:09] on her

[42:10] and she gives him

[42:10] some advice

[42:11] and this is again

[42:12] it's almost like

[42:13] James L. Brooks

[42:13] was like

[42:14] the

[42:15] having sex

[42:16] in the government office

[42:17] with your husband

[42:18] at lunch

[42:19] she didn't even do it

[42:19] during work hours

[42:20] she did it during lunch

[42:21] but having that during lunch

[42:22] is such a non-issue

[42:24] that's not really

[42:25] that big a problem

[42:26] how do we make Casey's problem

[42:28] even less of an issue

[42:29] even less of a problem

[42:30] than that

[42:31] how do we deescalate

[42:33] and deheighten even more

[42:34] so how did you guys feel

[42:35] about this revelation

[42:36] that he has

[42:37] been agitated for a year

[42:39] about his inability

[42:40] to talk to this girl

[42:41] he had liked

Dan McCoy

[42:42] what was the weird way

[42:43] he expressed it

[42:44] he said something about

Elliott Kalan

[42:45] how like

[42:46] when you're dating

[42:46] you meet a lot of people

[42:47] and he doesn't want

[42:48] to meet anybody else

[42:49] like he just wants

[42:50] to date her

[42:50] something like that

[42:51] what he said

[42:51] was not as

[42:52] it was also not

[42:54] when he repeats it

[42:55] it doesn't sound

[42:56] as extreme to me

[42:56] it is moving fast

[42:57] I guess

[42:58] I don't know how long

[42:58] they were dating for

[42:59] but like

[42:59] it's not like he said

[43:00] he doesn't even say

Dan McCoy

[43:01] well he just talks so much

[43:02] about how awkward it was

[43:03] and like

[43:04] I guess that's awkward

[43:05] but not

Elliott Kalan

[43:06] it feels like the shorthand

[43:07] for this would be

[43:07] if he said

[43:08] I told her I love her

[43:09] at the end of the first date

[43:10] or something like that

[43:11] then I'd be like

[43:12] oh okay I get it

[43:12] but the words

[43:13] I love you

[43:14] or I love her

[43:15] never come up

[43:16] they're never mentioned

[43:17] and so it felt like

[43:17] I don't know

[43:19] it seems like he was just

[43:19] asking her to go steady

[43:20] which is weird

[43:22] for an adult to do

[43:24] kind of

[43:24] but usually

[43:25] I don't know about you guys

[43:26] but I feel like

[43:27] you just kind of

[43:27] fall into it

[43:28] you don't usually

[43:29] make a big deal out of it

[43:30] but I don't know

Stuart Wellington

[43:31] well I mean

[43:32] I think it's not uncommon

[43:33] to ask

[43:34] you know

[43:35] I don't want to see

[43:36] anybody else

[43:37] yeah that's true

Elliott Kalan

[43:38] do you want to be exclusive

[43:40] you know

[43:40] yes

[43:41] or you say

[43:42] I only want to see

[43:43] other people

[43:43] you say

[43:44] I don't want to see

[43:44] anybody else

[43:45] so I'm going to put

[43:46] a blindfold on

[43:46] when I have sex

[43:47] with other women

[43:48] and he goes

[43:48] alright

[43:49] literally that makes sense

[43:50] I mean you're following

[43:51] the word of what you said

[43:52] you know

[43:52] the letter of the law

Stuart Wellington

[43:54] you're using

[43:54] Duchovny's Law

[43:55] Duchovny's Law

Elliott Kalan

[43:59] was the short-lived

[44:00] TV show

[44:00] where he would have

[44:01] sex with people

[44:02] with a blindfold on

[44:02] yeah

[44:02] and he's a judge

[44:05] yeah

[44:05] he's also a judge

[44:06] his catchphrase was

[44:08] join me in my chambers

[44:09] and his other one was

[44:11] justice is blind

Dan McCoy

[44:12] time to disrobe

[44:14] he would say

Elliott Kalan

[44:16] time to take off disrobe

[44:17] that's what he would say

[44:18] oh okay

[44:19] and then

[44:21] someone would call him

[44:21] and he'd say

[44:22] new robe

[44:22] who dis

[44:23] and they'd be like

[44:23] I don't understand

[44:24] that doesn't make sense

Dan McCoy

[44:25] oh you didn't hear

[44:26] what I said before

[44:26] it kind of makes it work better

Elliott Kalan

[44:28] but not that much

[44:29] so it turns out

[44:31] Ella's poll numbers are up

[44:32] they're calling her

[44:32] little miss nooner

[44:33] people love the idea

[44:34] that she is getting it on

[44:35] during lunch

[44:36] with her husband

[44:36] she goes to see her dad

[44:38] narrowly missing

[44:39] run in with

[44:41] what I think is supposed to be

[44:42] his new girlfriend

[44:43] but it's never made quite clear

[44:45] and the voice

[44:46] of her new girlfriend

[44:47] on the phone

[44:48] is Tracy Ullman

[44:49] and that's not Tracy Ullman

[44:50] I think that's walking out of the building

[44:51] so it was one of those

[44:53] it was almost like a moment

[44:53] out of a movie like Vertigo

[44:54] where she's just seeing her

[44:56] she's seeing her dad's girlfriend

[44:57] everywhere

[44:58] like

[44:58] but

[44:58] it doesn't

[45:00] the moment was kind of strange

[45:01] anyway

[45:01] she tells him

[45:03] stop calling Casey

[45:04] and he goes

[45:05] my girlfriend told me

[45:06] she's going to break up with me

[45:08] unless I apologize

[45:09] to everybody

[45:10] that I've committed

[45:11] misdeeds against

[45:12] and he has a long list

[45:13] of apologies to make

[45:15] did you cheat on mom

[45:16] when she was dying

[45:17] and he goes

[45:17] not really

[45:18] and she walks out

[45:19] not really is not a good answer

[45:20] for that

Dan McCoy

[45:20] guys I forget

[45:22] is this the last scene

[45:23] with Woody Harrelson

[45:24] it is not the last scene

[45:25] with Woody Harrelson

Elliott Kalan

[45:26] we do get a resolution

[45:28] with him

[45:28] we'll talk about that

[45:29] there's one

[45:29] there's one more big scene

[45:31] between Woody Harrelson

[45:32] and Ella

[45:32] but he disappears for a while

[45:34] from the movie

[45:34] and why not

[45:35] he shouldn't be in the movie

[45:36] the story

[45:37] is not

[45:38] this is

[45:38] it's like

[45:39] James L. Brooks

[45:40] didn't have a full story

[45:41] but he had like

[45:42] eight half stories

[45:43] and he thought that

[45:44] it's like

[45:44] he's making dinner

[45:46] out of just what's in the fridge

[45:47] he doesn't have a recipe

[45:48] he didn't have a main idea

[45:50] but he's like

[45:50] I'll put in a little bit of pasta

[45:51] a little bit of the chicken

[45:52] that's left over

[45:53] I'll put in a little bit of rice

[45:55] here's some old gherkins

[45:56] I'll throw those in

[45:57] I mean here's the thing

[45:57] like

Dan McCoy

[45:58] even in his best movies

[46:00] there are a lot of threads

[46:02] going on

[46:03] in James L. Brooks movies

[46:04] and they don't

[46:06] always like

[46:07] like other movies

[46:08] wouldn't have them

[46:09] but usually

[46:10] they're tied together

[46:11] like with some

[46:12] strong central idea

[46:14] that like

[46:14] I mean you know

[46:15] it's something

[46:16] sometimes it just comes

[46:17] into the end

[46:18] like Terms of Endearment

[46:19] like feels sort of unfocused

[46:20] until

[46:21] everyone has to focus on

[46:23] like the crisis

[46:23] the you know

[46:24] crisis on infinite earths

[46:26] that's the anti-monitor

[46:27] is destroying all the

[46:28] alternate earths

[46:29] yeah

[46:29] like broadcast news

[46:31] is brought together

[46:32] kind of by like

[46:33] a thesis statement

[46:35] about the news

[46:35] but it is

[46:36] it does sort of spiral

[46:37] in a lot of different directions

[46:38] like here it feels like

[46:39] he never found the thing

[46:40] that was gonna like

[46:41] tie it all up

[46:42] yeah I think you're right

Elliott Kalan

[46:43] there's like

[46:43] not a strong theme here

[46:44] and also

[46:45] in those movies

[46:46] the characters feel so real

[46:47] they feel so alive

[46:48] even like

[46:49] in terms of Endearment

[46:51] like it's Jeff Daniels

[46:52] right

[46:52] who's in that

[46:53] like

[46:53] or is it John Lithgow

[46:54] who plays the

[46:55] who plays the

[46:56] like

[46:56] husband or ex-husband

[46:58] or whatever

Dan McCoy

[46:58] Lithgow's in it

[47:00] I know

[47:00] I can't remember

[47:01] the whole cast

[47:02] I gotta watch again

Elliott Kalan

[47:03] I can't remember

[47:03] who's in it

[47:04] and who's not in it

[47:04] but I feel like

[47:04] what I'm gonna say

[47:05] is like

[47:05] even the side characters

[47:07] feel like full people

[47:08] you know

[47:09] they feel like

[47:09] they're real characters

Dan McCoy

[47:10] Jeff Daniels

[47:11] and John Lithgow

[47:12] are both in it

[47:13] I don't know

Elliott Kalan

[47:13] oh boy

[47:14] oh they play brothers

[47:15] that's right

[47:15] they play twin brothers

[47:16] who change places

[47:17] and they're both

[47:18] kind of

Dan McCoy

[47:18] Jeff Daniels

[47:20] is Debra Winger's

[47:20] husband

[47:21] with the name

[47:21] of

[47:22] his name is

[47:23] Flap Horton

[47:24] Flap Horton

Elliott Kalan

[47:26] you gotta have a good movie

[47:27] if you're gonna name

[47:27] your character

[47:28] Flap Horton

[47:28] like that movie's

[47:29] gotta be so good

[47:30] you gotta have stones

[47:31] and all that shit

[47:31] but like

[47:32] those characters

[47:33] feel like real characters

Stuart Wellington

[47:33] remember when the trailer

[47:34] came out for Terms of Endearment

[47:36] and it was just people saying

[47:37] Flap

[47:38] Flap

[47:39] Flap

Elliott Kalan

[47:40] everybody's talking about

[47:41] Flap Horton

[47:42] Flap

[47:44] yeah

[47:44] that's the other thing

[47:45] a lot of times

[47:46] those commercials

[47:46] they don't do anymore

[47:47] because they don't have VO

[47:48] the old ones

[47:49] they'd have everyone

[47:49] saying the name

[47:49] and the VO go

[47:50] everybody's talking

[47:51] about so and so

[47:52] it's like

[47:52] well yeah

[47:52] everyone in the movie

[47:53] I don't understand

[47:54] like you could make

[47:55] a movie about

[47:56] my brother

[47:57] and just have people

[47:58] going David

[47:58] David

[47:59] because they're people

[48:00] who know him

[48:00] like that's why

[48:01] we talk about him

[48:01] we talk to him

[48:02] you know

[48:02] but anyway

[48:03] it's not like

[48:03] you don't open up

[48:04] you don't turn on the news

[48:05] and people are like

[48:06] David

[48:07] you know

[48:07] I mean they are

[48:07] but they're talking

[48:08] about King David

[48:08] oh really

[48:10] I mean yeah

[48:11] did you hear

[48:11] he's back in the news again

[48:12] that's weird

[48:14] yeah

[48:15] people are still mad

[48:18] about him

[48:18] having that affair

[48:19] with Bathsheba

[48:20] yeah

[48:20] so the

[48:22] where were we

[48:24] in this thing

[48:25] oh so anyway

[48:25] so we'll go back

[48:26] so

Dan McCoy

[48:26] the cleanest Sheba

Elliott Kalan

[48:28] Casey gets the courage

[48:29] to leave his apartment

[48:30] he's gonna go

[48:31] call his

[48:32] his ex-girlfriend

[48:33] meanwhile

[48:34] Ryan confronts Ella

[48:35] he's like

[48:35] why didn't you check with me

[48:36] before you revealed

[48:37] the sex stuff

[48:38] and they argue

[48:39] and he goes

[48:39] this marriage

[48:40] isn't working for me

[48:40] and he's like

Stuart Wellington

[48:41] he's like

[48:42] everybody's gonna think

[48:43] I have nothing better to do

[48:44] than have sex with my wife

[48:45] in the afternoon

[48:46] and I'm like

[48:46] yeah

[48:47] you don't

Elliott Kalan

[48:49] but it's also like

[48:50] he also runs a pizza chain

[48:51] like he has a job

[48:52] it's not like

[48:53] he's just sitting around

Stuart Wellington

[48:54] you have a non-traditional

[48:55] work schedule bro

Elliott Kalan

[48:56] take advantage of it

[48:58] he says

[48:58] I already took care of it

[48:59] I gave a check

[49:00] to the reporter

[49:00] to kill the story

[49:01] and she's like

[49:02] a check

[49:03] he's like

[49:03] yeah

[49:03] like why do you think

[49:04] he asked for a check

[49:05] well because people

[49:05] don't want to carry

[49:06] that much cash around

[49:07] and he didn't realize

[49:08] because he's a moron

[49:09] that you shouldn't

[49:09] do a payoff

[49:10] and put your name on it

[49:11] much like the check

[49:12] to a prostitute

[49:13] that sunk Jerry Springer's

[49:15] political career

[49:15] back when he was

[49:16] the boy mayor of Cleveland

[49:17] so he says

[49:20] that

[49:20] if she doesn't

[49:22] give him

[49:22] oh he gives her

[49:24] like a little

[49:24] written speech

[49:25] she's supposed to read

[49:26] which basically says

[49:27] I'm gonna share

[49:28] governing duties

[49:29] with my husband

[49:29] you get two for one

[49:31] and he's gonna be great

[49:32] you're gonna love it

[49:34] so you're gonna

[49:34] co-govern the state

[49:35] and he goes

[49:35] yes

[49:36] and if I don't get that

[49:37] this marriage is over

[49:38] and she says

[49:39] good

[49:39] and he goes

[49:40] I'm gonna give you

[49:41] a messy public divorce

[49:42] you don't even like me

[49:45] if you liked me

[49:45] a little bit

[49:46] you wouldn't even

[49:46] threaten that

[49:47] and it's like

[49:47] well everyone

[49:49] throughout the movie

[49:49] has been telling you

[49:50] you shouldn't be

[49:50] married to this guy

[49:51] so it's

[49:52] but this heel turn

[49:53] is so extreme

[49:54] it goes from

[49:55] wait but I really want

[49:57] all the trappings

[49:57] of being a governor's husband

[49:58] I want to feel

[49:59] important

[49:59] to look

[50:01] if I'm not running

[50:02] this state

[50:02] then we are done

[50:03] it is over

[50:04] and it feels

[50:05] like a big leap

[50:06] and I wish that

[50:07] again the movie

[50:07] could have made

[50:08] comic hay

[50:09] out of how big

[50:11] a leap this is

[50:12] how big his demand

[50:13] has gotten

[50:13] from where it was before

[50:14] but instead

[50:15] it's treated

[50:15] very seriously

[50:16] very dramatically

[50:17] you know

[50:17] she goes to her

[50:19] first staff meeting

[50:20] they applaud her

[50:21] and she snaps

[50:22] and goes

[50:22] don't applaud

[50:23] and they all feel bad

[50:24] and then she goes

[50:24] to calm herself down

[50:25] Casey goes to

[50:27] his ex-girlfriend's house

[50:28] and this is

[50:28] Io Etabiri

[50:29] from the bear

[50:30] as Susan

Stuart Wellington

[50:31] who has a very

[50:34] weary affect here

[50:36] yes

[50:36] well

[50:37] I would too

[50:38] I was like

Dan McCoy

[50:39] how do I make

[50:40] it's not earned

[50:42] this scene work

[50:44] what is

[50:44] a wild scene

Elliott Kalan

[50:47] I don't think

[50:47] you can make

[50:48] this scene work

[50:48] emotionally coherent

[50:49] he is so awkward

[50:51] and she is so aggravated

[50:52] and she is trying

[50:52] so hard

[50:53] to get him

[50:53] out of her apartment

[50:54] she's like

[50:55] let's go to this

[50:55] restaurant

[50:56] and it's so clear

[50:57] and he basically

[50:58] he seems like

[50:59] a psychopath

[50:59] and he just is like

[51:00] you gotta be my girlfriend

[51:02] and she eventually

[51:03] under duress

[51:03] it feels like

[51:04] says yes

[51:05] and instantly

[51:05] feels weird about it

[51:06] and I was like

[51:07] this whole scene

[51:08] made me feel

[51:08] I was very upset

[51:09] by it

[51:09] it made me feel

[51:10] very uncomfortable

[51:11] yeah

Dan McCoy

[51:12] not only should

[51:13] this scene

[51:13] have been cut

[51:14] for you know

[51:15] plot and time reasons

[51:17] this scene should be cut

[51:18] because it is

[51:18] absolutely unworkable

[51:20] like we are

[51:20] it wants us to believe

[51:22] that this is like

[51:23] just a wacky

[51:23] young good hearted man

[51:25] he's adorable

[51:25] express himself

[51:27] and what he has done

[51:28] is he has

[51:28] like bullied his way

[51:29] back into this world

[51:30] apartment

[51:31] and like

[51:32] to talk about

[51:33] a relationship

[51:34] that ended like

[51:34] what a year ago

[51:36] and ended because

Elliott Kalan

[51:37] he ghosted her

[51:39] you know

[51:39] yeah

[51:39] he's entirely

[51:41] in the wrong

[51:41] but he's just

[51:42] supposed to be

[51:42] so kind of cute

[51:43] and adorably

[51:44] awkward

[51:44] and clumsy

[51:45] and it is

[51:46] I make the joke

[51:46] about um

[51:47] that say anything

[51:48] is a movie

[51:48] about stalking

[51:49] because she's like

[51:50] we can't be together

[51:51] and then he shows up

[51:52] outside her house

[51:53] blasting the song

[51:54] they had sex to

[51:54] which is a hostile act

[51:56] I think

[51:56] but within

[51:57] but they still have

[51:58] feelings for each other

[51:59] so within the world

[52:00] of the movie

[52:00] wouldn't it be funny

[52:01] if it was a crazier

Dan McCoy

[52:01] song though

[52:02] like it was

[52:03] I like big butts

Elliott Kalan

[52:04] that I cannot lie

[52:05] or if

[52:07] what would

[52:08] yeah

[52:08] Rob Shaker

Dan McCoy

[52:08] by Rex Smith

[52:09] what would be

[52:10] I mean it's gotta

Elliott Kalan

[52:10] be a butt related

[52:11] song probably

[52:12] right

[52:12] but what would

[52:13] be a

[52:14] or if it was

[52:14] like a

[52:15] Auld Lang Syne

[52:16] like it was

[52:16] like

[52:16] it's baby beluga

Stuart Wellington

[52:18] yeah

[52:18] it's Alex F

[52:20] by Crazy Frog

[52:21] that'd be so funny

Elliott Kalan

[52:28] and you're like

[52:29] that's the

[52:30] it's also she has

[52:31] to do with the trauma

[52:31] that being

[52:32] the song

[52:32] that they lost

[52:33] their virginity to

[52:34] but this

[52:37] it's

[52:37] it is taking

[52:38] the uncomfortable

[52:40] kind of subtext

[52:41] of that

[52:41] and making it

[52:42] the text

[52:43] of this scene

[52:44] and she

[52:44] the way she is

[52:45] playing it

[52:45] it really feels

[52:46] like she has

[52:47] been beaten down

[52:47] and not won over

[52:48] like she has

[52:49] really been like

[52:50] worn down

[52:51] and is

[52:51] like

[52:52] has become

[52:52] it's like

[52:53] within one scene

[52:54] Stockholm Syndrome

[52:55] has set in

[52:55] and we later

[52:57] see them

[52:57] there's just a

[52:57] shot of them

[52:58] sitting and eating

[52:59] dinner laughing

[52:59] and I

[53:00] but you see it

[53:01] from outside

[53:01] and I have

[53:02] to imagine

[53:02] she's like

[53:02] please

[53:06] let me go

Stuart Wellington

[53:08] her phone

[53:09] she's typed

[53:09] 911

[53:10] and the

[53:11] fingers hovering

[53:12] above the

[53:13] call button

Elliott Kalan

[53:14] I think it's

[53:16] a

[53:16] it's just

[53:16] just such a

[53:18] misreading

[53:18] of the emotion

[53:19] you have to

[53:19] understand

Stuart Wellington

[53:20] this kid's

[53:21] a millionaire

Elliott Kalan

[53:21] he is a millionaire

[53:23] that's true

[53:23] but I don't know

[53:24] if she knows

[53:24] that

[53:24] he doesn't

[53:26] dress like a

[53:26] millionaire

[53:26] that's for sure

[53:27] wow

[53:28] you think

[53:28] he could afford

[53:29] a haircut

Stuart Wellington

[53:29] not every place

[53:30] is LA

[53:31] Elliot

[53:31] we don't all

[53:32] have to show

[53:32] off what

[53:33] we make

[53:34] sorry

[53:35] Stuart

[53:36] did you

[53:37] say that

[53:38] the peacockiest

[53:41] peacock

[53:41] I know

Elliott Kalan

[53:42] so anyway

[53:44] Ryan

[53:45] Ryan tells

[53:46] the press

[53:47] that Ella

[53:47] was the one

[53:48] who said

[53:49] they should

[53:49] pay off

[53:49] the reporter

[53:50] meanwhile

[53:50] in the staff

[53:51] meeting

[53:51] it's gone

[53:51] all day

[53:52] her staff

[53:53] is literally

[53:53] asleep

[53:53] in their

[53:54] chairs

[53:54] as she

[53:55] rambles

[53:55] on around

[53:56] about the

[53:56] programs

[53:57] the press

[53:57] bursts

[53:58] into the room

[53:59] knocking

[54:00] Ella over

[54:00] giving her

[54:01] a concussion

[54:01] it's said

[54:02] later

[54:02] Nash

[54:03] gets her

[54:03] out

[54:04] drives her

[54:04] away

[54:04] it's a

[54:05] real

[54:05] Kevin Costner

[54:06] Whitney Houston

[54:06] bodyguard

[54:07] moment

[54:07] and Ella

[54:08] is like

[54:09] no it's

[54:09] not the

[54:10] reporter's

[54:10] fault

[54:10] wait

[54:11] you say

Stuart Wellington

[54:11] a bodyguard

[54:12] moment

[54:13] is that

[54:13] because

[54:13] they drop

[54:14] a silk

[54:14] scarf

[54:15] over a

[54:15] katana

[54:16] oh yeah

[54:17] that's exactly

[54:17] why

[54:18] that shit was

Elliott Kalan

[54:18] so hot

[54:19] right

[54:19] yeah

[54:21] well because

[54:22] they represent

[54:22] the male

[54:23] and female

[54:23] parts

[54:23] the sexiest

[54:24] thing

[54:24] to Stuart

[54:25] a sharp

[54:26] sword

[54:27] it's a

[54:28] metaphor

[54:28] for the

[54:29] softness

[54:29] of the penis

[54:30] and the

[54:31] hard steel

[54:31] of the vagina

[54:32] yeah

[54:32] so

[54:33] Ella excuses

[54:36] the reporter

[54:37] she's like

[54:37] no they're

[54:37] working under

[54:38] hard constraints

[54:39] too and it's

[54:40] difficult for them

[54:41] so why did he

Stuart Wellington

[54:42] why did he just

[54:42] drive her into

[54:43] nowhere

[54:44] like they didn't

[54:45] have a plan

Elliott Kalan

[54:46] no he's just

[54:46] trying to get

[54:47] her away

[54:47] from all

[54:48] those people

[54:48] you know

[54:49] again it's

[54:49] the kind

[54:49] of thing

[54:50] that to

[54:50] me is

[54:51] coded

[54:51] as

[54:52] if this

[54:53] is a

[54:53] romantic

[54:53] comedy

[54:53] now I'm

[54:54] going to

[54:54] get you

[54:55] away

[54:55] from all

[54:55] this

[54:55] noise

[54:56] and hubbub

[54:57] we're going

[54:57] to have a

[54:58] moment

[54:58] together

[54:58] and it's

[54:59] when we're

[54:59] going to

[54:59] realize

[54:59] our

[55:00] feelings

[55:00] for each

[55:00] other

[55:00] talk

[55:01] about

Stuart Wellington

[55:01] my

[55:01] mom

[55:01] falling out

[55:02] of a

[55:02] chair

Elliott Kalan

[55:02] I'll

[55:03] tell you

[55:03] another

[55:03] story

[55:03] about

[55:03] my

[55:03] mom

[55:04] falling

[55:04] out

[55:04] of a

[55:04] chair

[55:04] into

[55:04] a

[55:05] pool

[55:05] but

[55:06] excusing

[55:07] the

[55:07] reporters

[55:08] is one

[55:08] of

[55:08] the

[55:08] things

[55:08] where

[55:08] I'm

[55:08] like

[55:09] oh

[55:09] yeah

[55:09] this

[55:10] is

[55:10] one

[55:10] of

[55:10] the

[55:11] things

[55:11] that

[55:11] was

[55:11] wrong

[55:12] with

[55:12] 2008

[55:13] liberal

[55:13] democratic

[55:14] thinking

[55:14] was

[55:15] and I

[55:16] feel like

[55:16] I have

[55:16] this

[55:16] instinct

[55:17] to

[55:17] look

[55:17] at it

[55:17] from

[55:18] another

[55:18] person's

[55:18] point

[55:18] of

[55:19] view

[55:19] and

[55:19] excuse

[55:20] their

[55:20] behavior

[55:20] and be

[55:21] like

[55:21] oh

[55:21] well

[55:21] they're

[55:22] under

[55:22] pressures

[55:22] too

[55:22] instead

[55:23] of

[55:24] doing

[55:24] what

[55:24] we

[55:24] need

[55:25] to

[55:25] do

[55:25] now

[55:25] which

[55:25] is

[55:25] to

[55:25] be

[55:25] like

[55:26] that's

[55:26] bad

[55:26] don't

[55:26] do

[55:26] that

[55:27] come

[55:27] on

[55:27] you

[55:28] know

[55:28] so

[55:28] anyway

[55:29] but

[55:30] it's

[55:30] supposed

[55:30] to

[55:30] show

[55:30] what

[55:30] a

[55:31] sweet

[55:31] person

[55:31] she

[55:31] is

[55:32] Casey's

[55:33] date

[55:33] is

[55:33] going

[55:33] great

[55:33] they're

[55:34] just

[55:34] laughing

[55:34] like

[55:34] I

[55:35] said

[55:35] Ella

[55:36] has

[55:36] Nash

[55:36] take

[55:36] her

[55:37] to

[55:37] Helen's

[55:37] and

[55:38] Ella

[55:38] refuses

[55:39] to let

[55:39] herself

[55:40] scream

[55:40] in

[55:40] frustration

[55:41] she

[55:41] just

[55:41] won't

[55:41] let

[55:41] a

[55:41] scream

[55:42] out

[55:42] because

[55:42] if

[55:42] she

[55:43] screams

[55:43] maybe

[55:43] she'll

[55:43] never

[55:44] stop

[55:44] Governor

[55:44] Bill

[55:44] shows

[55:45] up

[55:45] with

[55:45] the

[55:46] party

[55:46] leadership

[55:46] and

[55:47] they

[55:47] all

[55:47] convene

[55:47] at

[55:48] Helen's

[55:48] and

[55:48] they

[55:48] tell

[55:48] them

[55:49] that

[55:49] Ryan's

[55:49] claims

[55:50] have

[55:50] sunk

[55:50] her

[55:50] they

[55:51] want

[55:51] her

[55:51] to

[55:51] resign

[55:52] right

[55:52] away

[55:52] and

[55:53] Albert

[55:54] Brooks

[55:54] takes her

[55:54] outside

[55:55] and gives

[55:55] her

[55:55] ridiculously

[55:57] conflicting

[55:57] advice

[55:58] but he's

[55:58] like

[55:59] you should

[55:59] resign

[56:00] because

[56:00] the

[56:00] politicians

[56:01] hate

[56:01] you

[56:01] and

[56:01] they'll

[56:02] go

[56:02] after

[56:02] you

[56:02] but

[56:02] you've

[56:03] got

[56:03] all

[56:03] this

[56:03] leverage

[56:04] so

[56:04] you

[56:04] should

[56:04] use

[56:05] that

[56:05] leverage

Dan McCoy

[56:05] to get

[56:06] something

[56:06] this is

[56:06] a good

[56:07] scene

[56:07] to me

[56:07] this is

[56:08] one of

[56:09] the better

[56:09] scenes

[56:09] for sure

[56:09] in large

[56:10] part

[56:10] because

[56:10] Albert

[56:11] Brooks

[56:11] is in it

[56:12] and he

[56:12] knows

[56:12] how to

[56:14] do

[56:15] this sort

[56:15] of thing

[56:16] in general

[56:16] but also

[56:17] particularly

[56:17] with

[56:17] James L.

[56:18] Brooks

[56:18] material

[56:19] he knows

[56:19] how to

[56:19] play it

[56:20] and like

[56:20] it is

[56:21] him

[56:22] as

[56:23] a

[56:24] politician

[56:25] who

[56:25] unlike

[56:26] Ellen McKay

[56:27] knows what

[56:28] needs to be

[56:28] done

[56:29] to stay

[56:30] a politician

[56:30] and so

[56:31] he's like

[56:32] I have to

[56:32] protect my

[56:32] own interests

[56:33] I cannot

[56:33] help you

[56:35] but I will

[56:35] wink

[56:36] like say

[56:37] a thing

[56:37] that might

[56:38] loud

[56:39] there's

Elliott Kalan

[56:40] a deeper

[56:42] idea in

[56:42] this movie

[56:43] that I wish

[56:43] that it was

[56:44] playing more

[56:44] with which

[56:45] is that

[56:45] Ellen McKay

[56:46] is honest

[56:47] and noble

[56:47] and principled

[56:48] and she

[56:49] gets nowhere

[56:49] with her

[56:50] projects

[56:51] and people

[56:51] don't like

[56:51] her

[56:51] whereas

[56:52] Governor

[56:53] Bill

[56:54] played by

[56:54] Albert Brooks

[56:55] or Governor

[56:55] Bob

[56:56] he is

[56:57] he can play

[56:59] the game

[56:59] and is focused

[57:00] on playing

[57:00] the game

[57:00] and voters

[57:01] love him

[57:02] he's walking

[57:02] across the street

[57:03] and a guy

[57:03] honks

[57:03] and is like

[57:04] hey Governor

[57:04] Bill

[57:04] we love

[57:05] you

[57:05] and so

[57:06] it's

[57:06] the idea

[57:07] that in a

[57:07] democracy

[57:08] you gotta

[57:09] know how

[57:09] to play

[57:09] the game

[57:10] and I feel

[57:10] like this

[57:11] movie is

[57:12] circling that

[57:13] idea

[57:13] and it's not

[57:14] quite

[57:14] it kind of

[57:15] gets there

[57:15] at the end

[57:16] but not

[57:16] quite getting

[57:18] there

[57:18] but like

[57:19] that would be a

[57:19] theme

[57:19] like that's a

[57:20] theme

[57:20] it would

[57:21] it would

Elliott Kalan

[57:21] mean

[57:21] jettisoning

[57:21] Casey

[57:22] and his

[57:22] girlfriend

[57:23] it would

[57:23] mean

[57:23] jettisoning

[57:24] it's so good

Dan McCoy

[57:26] it gets to a

[57:27] theme that frankly

[57:27] I do not

[57:28] care for

[57:29] at least not

[57:30] at this moment

[57:31] in history

[57:31] where it's like

[57:32] well maybe she

[57:34] can do better

[57:35] outside the government

[57:37] like maybe

[57:38] like she can

[57:38] do good

[57:39] and it's like

[57:40] fuck you

[57:41] like this is like

[57:41] how we get

[57:42] so many shitty

[57:44] politicians

[57:44] and so little

[57:45] faith in like

[57:46] the government

[57:46] being able to

[57:47] change

[57:47] and like

[57:48] frankly

[57:49] conservative

[57:49] thinking of like

[57:50] oh it should

[57:51] all be privatized

[57:52] you know

[57:52] and also

Elliott Kalan

[57:52] conservative

[57:54] thinking that

[57:54] it should be

[57:54] privatized

[57:55] and voter

[57:55] thinking that

[57:56] well all

[57:56] government

[57:57] is scum

[57:58] and slime

[57:58] anyway

[57:59] you know

[57:59] so we just

[58:01] gotta tear it

[58:01] all down

[58:01] we gotta rip

[58:02] it all apart

[58:02] when in reality

[58:04] if anything

[58:04] this movie

[58:05] is a show

[58:05] of a functioning

[58:06] government

[58:07] I mean there

[58:07] seems to be

[58:07] no problems

[58:08] in the state

[58:09] there are things

[58:10] that could be

[58:10] better

[58:10] but when she

[58:11] comes in

[58:12] they're not like

[58:12] we're running

[58:13] out of tax money

[58:14] oh crime is up

[58:15] oh da da da

[58:16] she's like

[58:16] it seems like

[58:17] governor bill

[58:18] has done a

[58:18] top notch job

[58:19] of turning

[58:19] this little

[58:20] state

[58:20] into a big

[58:21] success story

Stuart Wellington

[58:22] he let that whole

[58:22] nooner scandal

[58:23] happen under his nose

[58:24] that's true

Elliott Kalan

[58:25] when the biggest

[58:26] I don't think she

[58:26] should be laid

[58:26] at his feet

[58:27] I mean when the

[58:27] biggest story

[58:29] is one

[58:29] new governor

[58:31] dances with

[58:31] husband in

[58:32] hallway

[58:32] and then two

[58:33] new governor

[58:34] had sex

[58:34] with husband

[58:35] at lunch

[58:35] on government

[58:36] property

[58:36] like this

[58:37] state

[58:37] is doing

[58:38] great

[58:38] like there

[58:38] are no

[58:39] problems

[58:39] right now

[58:40] and when you

[58:41] can make

[58:42] two million

[58:42] dollars a year

[58:43] just advising

[58:44] people on sports

[58:45] betting

[58:45] then you know

[58:46] what the economy

[58:46] is working

[58:47] right

Stuart Wellington

[58:47] what's his

[58:48] what's his

[58:49] platform like

[58:50] patreon or

[58:50] something

[58:50] what's he doing

[58:51] I know he has

Elliott Kalan

[58:51] a lot of

[58:52] computer screens

[58:52] with graphs

[58:53] on them

[58:53] but I don't

[58:53] really know

[58:54] how he's

[58:54] working

[58:54] otherwise

[58:55] yeah

[58:55] maybe he has

[58:55] a newsletter

[58:56] every time

Stuart Wellington

[58:56] he boots it

[58:57] up he's

[58:57] like I'm in

Elliott Kalan

[58:58] he just pours

[59:00] a glass of

[59:01] wine

[59:01] dances around

[59:02] while he

[59:02] hacks into

[59:03] the system

[59:03] yeah exactly

[59:04] so that's

[59:06] a swordfish

[59:06] reference

[59:07] so

[59:07] never seen

[59:08] it

[59:08] oh

Dan McCoy

[59:09] it's

[59:10] don't admit

[59:10] that we're

[59:10] gonna screen

[59:11] it

[59:11] nighthawk

[59:13] prospect

[59:13] park

[59:14] it was my

[59:15] way of

Elliott Kalan

[59:15] setting you

[59:16] up to

[59:16] plug it

Dan McCoy

[59:17] I don't

[59:17] know when

[59:17] it

[59:18] well I

[59:18] can't

[59:18] plug it

[59:19] it's a

[59:20] Thursday

[59:20] coming up

[59:21] in March

[59:21] there's no

Elliott Kalan

[59:22] and there's

[59:23] no way of

[59:23] knowing what

Dan McCoy

[59:23] Thursday

[59:24] is

[59:24] no possible

[59:24] way

[59:25] well Stuart's

[59:25] on it

[59:25] I'm

[59:26] continuing to

[59:26] talk

[59:27] Thursday

Elliott Kalan

[59:30] March 26th

[59:31] so you're

[59:32] like

[59:33] well

[59:34] they're not

[59:34] ready yet

[59:35] so let me

[59:36] just tell you

[59:36] about what

[59:37] else has

[59:37] going on

[59:37] around the

[59:38] castle

[59:38] I've seen

Dan McCoy

[59:40] swordfish

[59:40] so I'll

[59:41] play the

[59:41] role of

[59:42] the expert

[59:42] and Stuart

[59:43] will play

[59:43] the role

[59:44] of like

[59:44] funny

[59:45] novice

[59:46] guy

Elliott Kalan

[59:47] so he's

[59:47] your apprentice

[59:48] it's a

[59:48] real

[59:49] what's that

[59:49] Game of Thrones

[59:50] show

[59:50] the guy

[59:51] and the

[59:51] kid

[59:52] the knight

[59:53] and the

[59:53] stuff

Dan McCoy

[59:53] the guy

[59:54] the kid

[59:54] the knight

[59:54] and the

[59:55] stuff

[59:55] the knight

Stuart Wellington

[59:55] of the

[59:56] seven

[59:56] kingdoms

[59:56] yeah

[59:57] that's

[59:57] what it

[59:57] is

[59:57] based on

[59:59] the hedge

[59:59] knight

[1:00:00] and the

[1:00:00] other

[1:00:01] dunk

[1:00:01] and

[1:00:01] egg

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:01] stories

[1:00:02] yeah

[1:00:02] I haven't

[1:00:02] watched it

[1:00:02] yet

[1:00:03] so anyway

[1:00:03] I can go

Dan McCoy

[1:00:04] for a dunk

[1:00:04] and egg

[1:00:05] right about

[1:00:05] now

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:05] so Ella

[1:00:06] says

[1:00:07] I'm not

[1:00:07] going to

[1:00:08] resign

[1:00:08] unless

[1:00:09] you pass

[1:00:10] these

[1:00:10] programs

[1:00:11] that I've

[1:00:11] wanted

[1:00:11] throughout

[1:00:12] the movie

[1:00:12] that's

[1:00:13] right

[1:00:13] the

[1:00:13] prenatal

[1:00:14] care

[1:00:14] that's

[1:00:15] right

[1:00:15] tooth

[1:00:15] tutors

[1:00:16] and Ella's

[1:00:17] dad shows

[1:00:17] up and says

[1:00:18] please

[1:00:18] forgive me

[1:00:19] and she

[1:00:19] goes

[1:00:19] no

[1:00:19] I'm

[1:00:20] not

[1:00:20] going

[1:00:20] to

[1:00:20] and Julie

[1:00:21] Kavner

[1:00:21] says

[1:00:21] sometimes

[1:00:22] not

[1:00:22] forgiving

[1:00:23] someone

[1:00:23] can be

[1:00:23] just as

[1:00:24] satisfying

[1:00:24] as

[1:00:25] forgiving

[1:00:25] them

[1:00:25] and

[1:00:26] Helen

[1:00:27] and Ella

[1:00:27] talk about

[1:00:28] their anger

[1:00:28] at Ryan

[1:00:29] and they

[1:00:30] finally

[1:00:30] scream

[1:00:30] together

[1:00:31] let me tell

[1:00:31] you

[1:00:32] not a surprise

[1:00:33] Jamie Lee Curtis

[1:00:33] is good at

[1:00:34] screaming

[1:00:34] you know what

[1:00:35] has she

[1:00:35] ever made

[1:00:36] a movie

[1:00:36] where she

[1:00:37] screams

[1:00:37] a lot

[1:00:37] she's one

[1:00:39] of the

[1:00:40] real queens

[1:00:40] of screams

[1:00:40] she's one

[1:00:41] of the

[1:00:41] original queens

[1:00:42] of screams

[1:00:42] did you see

[1:00:43] that tour

[1:00:43] yes

[1:00:44] it was

[1:00:45] amazing

Dan McCoy

[1:00:45] I got a headache

[1:00:47] after a while

[1:00:47] I gotta admit

[1:00:48] but still

[1:00:49] if you don't get a headache

[1:00:49] at the scream

[1:00:50] queens tour

Stuart Wellington

[1:00:50] you're not doing

[1:00:51] it right

[1:00:51] Heather Lang

[1:00:52] and King

[1:00:52] Jamie Lee Curtis

[1:00:55] Linnea Quigley

[1:00:56] Barbara Crampton

Elliott Kalan

[1:00:57] they were

[1:00:58] they did an

[1:01:00] amazing job

[1:01:01] it was a great

[1:01:01] show

[1:01:01] three hours

[1:01:03] I don't know

[1:01:03] how they

[1:01:03] yeah

[1:01:04] the documentary

[1:01:05] had to cut it down

[1:01:06] so it's not

[1:01:07] the full experience

[1:01:08] the documentary

[1:01:08] is slightly

[1:01:09] redirected about it

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:10] we of course

[1:01:10] were in the

[1:01:10] splash zone

[1:01:11] so we were

[1:01:11] covered in

[1:01:12] blood and

[1:01:13] saliva

[1:01:14] it was like

[1:01:15] a guar concert

[1:01:17] so

Elliott Kalan

[1:01:19] they scream

[1:01:21] together

[1:01:22] Ryan's pizza

[1:01:22] place is closed

[1:01:23] for health reasons

[1:01:24] and then he's

[1:01:25] arrested for

[1:01:25] resisting

[1:01:26] so this seems

[1:01:27] like they're

[1:01:27] using the tools

[1:01:28] of the state

[1:01:28] to exact

[1:01:29] retribution

[1:01:30] on a private

[1:01:31] citizen

[1:01:31] again

[1:01:32] might have

[1:01:33] been a funnier

[1:01:33] idea

[1:01:33] at a different

[1:01:34] point in history

[1:01:35] than the one

[1:01:35] we're living

[1:01:36] at right now

[1:01:37] Ella gets

[1:01:38] the program

[1:01:39] she wanted

[1:01:39] and she starts

[1:01:40] a legal aid

[1:01:40] office to help

[1:01:41] people from

[1:01:42] getting evicted

[1:01:42] and she

[1:01:43] and Nash

[1:01:43] is working

[1:01:44] there

[1:01:44] Julie Kavner

[1:01:45] is working

[1:01:45] there

[1:01:45] and she

[1:01:46] announces

[1:01:46] Nash

[1:01:46] passed her

[1:01:47] the numbers

[1:01:47] that they've

[1:01:48] saved

[1:01:48] 9,000

[1:01:49] people from

[1:01:50] being evicted

[1:01:50] or something

[1:01:50] like that

[1:01:51] it was

[1:01:51] like some

Stuart Wellington

[1:01:52] odd number

[1:01:53] and I was

[1:01:54] like this

[1:01:54] feels like

[1:01:55] a weird

[1:01:55] like

[1:01:55] information

[1:01:57] thing to

[1:01:57] just like

[1:01:58] hot off the

[1:01:59] press

[1:01:59] information

[1:02:00] yeah

[1:02:00] why not

Dan McCoy

[1:02:00] like celebrate

[1:02:01] once you

[1:02:02] hit like

[1:02:02] an even

[1:02:03] like big

[1:02:04] round number

[1:02:05] like

[1:02:05] yeah

[1:02:06] maybe they

[1:02:07] do it

Stuart Wellington

[1:02:07] every time

[1:02:08] and people

[1:02:08] are kind

[1:02:09] of sick

[1:02:09] of it

[1:02:09] yeah

Elliott Kalan

[1:02:10] it's possible

[1:02:10] they're like

[1:02:10] all right

[1:02:11] okay

[1:02:12] another number

[1:02:12] they gotta

[1:02:13] announce it

[1:02:13] every time

[1:02:13] and then

[1:02:14] 9001

[1:02:15] that sounded

[1:02:17] like Dracula

[1:02:17] was vamping

[1:02:18] exactly

[1:02:19] why don't

[1:02:20] we count

[1:02:20] for a while

[1:02:21] everybody

[1:02:21] a 9002

[1:02:22] 9003

[1:02:24] are you ready

[1:02:25] yet

[1:02:25] has a puppet

[1:02:25] ever done

[1:02:26] this bit

[1:02:26] before

[1:02:27] I'm the

[1:02:29] first vampire

[1:02:29] to count

[1:02:30] right

[1:02:31] so

[1:02:34] and Julie

[1:02:35] Kavner

[1:02:35] ends it

[1:02:35] with some

[1:02:35] more voiceover

[1:02:36] she says

[1:02:36] there's no

[1:02:37] opposite word

[1:02:37] for trauma

[1:02:38] but hope

[1:02:39] comes close

[1:02:39] and I was

[1:02:40] like

[1:02:40] it made me

[1:02:41] want to

[1:02:41] take the

[1:02:41] movie's

[1:02:41] face in

[1:02:42] my hands

[1:02:42] and it

[1:02:42] floats

[1:02:43] oh

[1:02:43] adorable

[1:02:44] movie

[1:02:44] oh

[1:02:45] naive

[1:02:45] sweet

[1:02:46] sweet

[1:02:46] movie

[1:02:47] you don't

[1:02:47] know

[1:02:48] yeah

[1:02:48] and that's

[1:02:49] the story

[1:02:49] of Ella McKay

[1:02:50] guys

[1:02:51] that's a story

[1:02:51] of

[1:02:52] a

[1:02:52] it's a story

[1:02:53] of a

[1:02:54] simpler time

[1:02:55] when politics

[1:02:56] was hopeful

[1:02:56] and sex

[1:02:57] scandals

[1:02:58] were adorable

[1:02:59] and you could

[1:02:59] bully

[1:03:00] skexies

[1:03:01] were adorable

[1:03:01] a skexy

[1:03:02] sex scandal

[1:03:03] well that's

[1:03:03] why the Lord

[1:03:04] High Chamberlain

[1:03:04] didn't get the

[1:03:05] job

Dan McCoy

[1:03:05] a sexy

[1:03:06] skexy

[1:03:07] that was that

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:08] Beatles song

[1:03:09] sexy

[1:03:09] skexy

[1:03:10] look what you

[1:03:11] done

[1:03:12] you hit a

[1:03:12] stone with a

[1:03:13] sword in front

[1:03:14] of everyone

[1:03:14] ooh sexy

[1:03:15] skexy

Dan McCoy

[1:03:16] and then they're like

[1:03:17] this will make

[1:03:18] more sense

[1:03:18] later

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:19] I've been working

[1:03:21] on a song

[1:03:21] with my friend

[1:03:22] Jim Ensign

[1:03:23] notable cockney

Dan McCoy

[1:03:29] accent from

[1:03:30] these liver

[1:03:30] puddlians

[1:03:31] it's a thin

[1:03:34] line

[1:03:34] it's a thin

[1:03:34] line

[1:03:34] yeah

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:35] hi mate

[1:03:36] I'm one

[1:03:37] of the Beatles

[1:03:37] I am

[1:03:38] hello

[1:03:39] hello

[1:03:40] hello

[1:03:40] Johnny

[1:03:41] with a few

[1:03:42] little

[1:03:42] tunes

[1:03:42] yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:03:46] Ella McKay

[1:03:47] I'll just run up the apple and pears

Elliott Kalan

[1:03:49] and get me

[1:03:49] get me guitar

[1:03:50] so Ella McKay

[1:03:52] so guys

[1:03:53] we talked a lot about

[1:03:55] Ella McKay

[1:03:55] it feels like a movie

[1:03:56] without a center

[1:03:56] to me

[1:03:57] there were so many times

[1:03:58] during that when I was

[1:03:59] watching it I was like

[1:03:59] what is this movie about

[1:04:01] I hate to say it

[1:04:03] because James L. Brooks

[1:04:04] in other movies

[1:04:05] has been masterful

[1:04:06] and he's created so much

[1:04:08] that I love

[1:04:09] but it felt like

[1:04:10] one of those movies

[1:04:12] where you're like

[1:04:12] I think

[1:04:13] this is like

[1:04:14] a simulation of a movie

[1:04:16] like it doesn't feel

[1:04:17] like a real

[1:04:18] full movie

Dan McCoy

[1:04:18] you know

[1:04:19] indeed

[1:04:20] and I think

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:21] I mean I think

[1:04:22] yeah

[1:04:22] I guess we're in final judgments

Dan McCoy

[1:04:23] yeah we're getting into final judgments

[1:04:24] let me just introduce it

[1:04:25] and then we can

[1:04:26] give our

[1:04:27] summary feelings

[1:04:28] is this a good bad movie

[1:04:29] a bad bad movie

[1:04:30] or a movie

[1:04:32] we kind of like

[1:04:32] Stuart you're in the middle

[1:04:33] of the sentence

[1:04:33] so continue

Stuart Wellington

[1:04:34] I was just gonna say

[1:04:34] it feels like a movie

[1:04:36] that was probably

[1:04:37] an idea or a screenplay

[1:04:38] that he'd had for a little bit

[1:04:39] and that he felt like

[1:04:41] he wanted to make a movie

[1:04:42] and the

[1:04:44] he wanted to

[1:04:46] inject some kind of

[1:04:48] his own perception

[1:04:50] of what we've lost

[1:04:51] in politics

[1:04:52] and try to provide

[1:04:54] some kind of a hope

[1:04:55] some kind of a

[1:04:56] like wasn't it better

[1:04:57] back in the day

[1:04:58] and also you know

[1:04:59] get some friends together

[1:05:00] to make a movie

[1:05:01] it doesn't work

[1:05:02] I think it's

[1:05:03] a bad bad movie

[1:05:04] but there's some weird stuff in it

[1:05:07] like a sex scarf

[1:05:09] and

[1:05:09] yeah

[1:05:11] I'm gonna

[1:05:12] I'm gonna give it a marginal

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:14] when the most notable thing

[1:05:15] about the movie

[1:05:16] is that someone wears a scarf

[1:05:17] while having sex

[1:05:18] then I feel like the movie

[1:05:18] is lacking a certain substance

[1:05:20] it is notable

[1:05:21] yeah yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:05:21] I'm gonna give it a marginal

[1:05:22] kind of like

[1:05:23] on Letterboxd

[1:05:25] so usually on Letterboxd

[1:05:26] if I

[1:05:26] the three stars

[1:05:27] is the lowest

[1:05:28] I would give

[1:05:29] a movie

[1:05:29] that I

[1:05:30] I would

[1:05:31] recommend

[1:05:32] to someone

[1:05:33] like that's the

[1:05:34] that's the

[1:05:34] yeah

[1:05:35] I like this enough

[1:05:36] that I would say

[1:05:36] yeah it's worth watching

[1:05:37] or whatever

[1:05:37] I gave this

Elliott Kalan

[1:05:38] I mean

[1:05:39] it's the least

[1:05:39] you'll give a movie

[1:05:40] that you recommend

[1:05:40] for watching

[1:05:41] on its own

[1:05:41] for masturbation purposes

[1:05:43] you'll recommend

[1:05:43] any number of

[1:05:44] one star

[1:05:44] or two star movies

[1:05:45] yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:05:45] but I gave this

[1:05:47] two and a half stars

[1:05:49] and a heart

[1:05:49] to indicate like

[1:05:50] yeah it doesn't work

[1:05:52] but I'm sort of fond of it

[1:05:54] like

[1:05:54] like we said before

[1:05:55] I wish there were more movies

[1:05:56] like this

[1:05:57] there's scenes within it

[1:05:58] that work

[1:05:59] like there are people

[1:06:01] that I enjoy seeing

[1:06:02] I have a

[1:06:03] I wasn't mad at this movie

[1:06:05] like there was stuff in it

[1:06:06] that I enjoyed

[1:06:08] but like

[1:06:09] I do wish it had

[1:06:10] any kind of center to it

[1:06:13] like it doesn't seem to know

[1:06:14] what it's about

Elliott Kalan

[1:06:14] it doesn't seem to know

[1:06:15] what it's about

[1:06:16] it's not funny

[1:06:17] and it's not

[1:06:17] it doesn't do the things

[1:06:19] that James L. Brooks

[1:06:19] does best

[1:06:20] in his best work

[1:06:21] which is

[1:06:21] being funny

[1:06:22] and being heartfelt

[1:06:23] in a genuinely

[1:06:24] like kind of

[1:06:25] emotional

[1:06:25] to the point of

[1:06:26] tear jerking way

[1:06:27] but it feels

[1:06:28] like real emotions

[1:06:29] and it's

[1:06:30] I want to separate

[1:06:31] my appreciation

[1:06:33] for the motives

[1:06:34] behind making a movie

[1:06:34] like this

[1:06:35] from my depreciation

[1:06:37] of the actual movie

[1:06:38] is I wish they made

[1:06:39] more movies like this

[1:06:40] so that a movie

[1:06:41] this poor

[1:06:42] did not have to be

[1:06:43] the standard bearer

[1:06:44] for this kind of movie

[1:06:45] at this point right now

[1:06:46] I appreciate the thinking

[1:06:47] behind it

[1:06:48] I love so much

[1:06:49] of James L. Brooks's work

[1:06:50] but this is

[1:06:51] it's an

[1:06:51] it's sometimes

[1:06:52] sometimes a great artist

[1:06:53] tries something

[1:06:55] and it doesn't work

[1:06:55] and this is one of those

[1:06:56] times

[1:06:57] you know

Dan McCoy

[1:06:57] sometimes a great notion

[1:06:59] is not good

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:01] and sometimes a great lotion

[1:07:02] really helps your skin

[1:07:04] hi

[1:07:04] welcome to

[1:07:05] Ellie Kalin's

[1:07:06] K-Lotions

[1:07:06] this is my new company

[1:07:08] that makes lotions

[1:07:09] just for you

[1:07:11] by making them

[1:07:11] just for me

[1:07:12] my skin is the default

[1:07:14] human universal skin

[1:07:15] and so any lotion

[1:07:16] that works for me

[1:07:17] will work for any human being

[1:07:19] if it doesn't work for you

[1:07:20] you're using it wrong

[1:07:21] that's the K-Lotions promise

Dan McCoy

[1:07:22] especially in those

[1:07:23] special areas

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:23] anyway

[1:07:24] all the special areas

[1:07:26] your right armpit

[1:07:27] right underneath your nose

[1:07:28] that

[1:07:29] the back of your neck

[1:07:31] right under your head

[1:07:32] where it kind of connects

[1:07:33] with the rest of your head

[1:07:34] yeah exactly

Dan McCoy

[1:07:34] since we're in

[1:07:36] sort of a fake sponsor zone

[1:07:38] let's talk about

[1:07:40] some real sponsors

Elliott Kalan

[1:07:40] alright

[1:07:41] let's do that

[1:07:42] I mean K-Lotions

[1:07:42] is not paying for this

[1:07:43] yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:07:44] yeah they aren't paying for this

[1:07:45] but you know who is

[1:07:46] this podcast is brought to you

[1:07:47] in part by Squarespace

[1:07:48] it's the place where you can get

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[1:08:15] and it also offers

[1:08:16] Dan if I could

[1:08:17] butt in here

Elliott Kalan

[1:08:17] I just want to say

[1:08:18] to put it into

[1:08:18] real world terms

[1:08:19] that everyone will understand

[1:08:20] let's say

[1:08:21] you're a shut-in

[1:08:22] you want to start

[1:08:23] your sports betting

[1:08:24] advice business

[1:08:25] you're going to need

[1:08:26] a website

[1:08:27] you're going to need

[1:08:27] a home on the web

[1:08:28] to do that

[1:08:29] Squarespace is

[1:08:30] what you can use

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[1:08:32] and then you can

[1:08:33] make up to

[1:08:33] two million dollars

[1:08:34] a year

[1:08:34] according to this movie

Dan McCoy

[1:08:35] according to

[1:08:36] Alan McKay

[1:08:37] that's two thousand

[1:08:38] eight dollars

[1:08:38] not us

[1:08:39] no

[1:08:39] not us

[1:08:40] no we don't know

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Elliott Kalan

[1:09:15] you know what

[1:09:16] we've got other

[1:09:17] sponsors too

[1:09:18] in fact

[1:09:19] we've got one of my

[1:09:20] favorite sponsors

[1:09:21] for the show

[1:09:21] other sponsors

[1:09:22] don't listen to me

[1:09:23] say that

[1:09:23] that's right

[1:09:24] it's factor

[1:09:25] look

[1:09:26] we're all aware

[1:09:27] I've talked about

[1:09:27] this before

[1:09:28] food

[1:09:28] I like eating it

[1:09:30] I need to eat it

[1:09:31] it keeps my body

[1:09:32] alive

[1:09:32] and if it tastes good

[1:09:34] so much the better

[1:09:34] here's the thing

[1:09:35] I don't like having

[1:09:36] to do

[1:09:36] preparing that food

[1:09:38] for myself

[1:09:39] it's something

[1:09:39] I'm not good at

[1:09:40] I don't enjoy it

[1:09:42] but sometimes

[1:09:43] I need to do it

[1:09:44] I'm like

[1:09:45] there's gotta be a way

[1:09:46] that I can have

[1:09:47] quality

[1:09:48] functional ingredients

[1:09:49] food

[1:09:50] that's delicious

[1:09:50] that gives me

[1:09:51] all the nutrients

[1:09:52] or proteins

[1:09:52] and things that I need

[1:09:54] help me

[1:09:55] can somebody help me

[1:09:56] and you know

[1:09:57] who heard my call

[1:09:58] factor

[1:09:58] with factor

[1:09:59] having a busy schedule

[1:10:00] is no longer

[1:10:01] a good excuse

[1:10:01] for not eating

[1:10:02] fully prepared

[1:10:03] balanced meals

[1:10:04] they can be ready

[1:10:05] in two minutes

[1:10:05] no planning

[1:10:06] no cooking

[1:10:07] if you are a lazy guy

[1:10:08] like me

[1:10:09] who likes to eat food

[1:10:10] in order to stay alive

[1:10:11] then factor

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[1:10:13] it's

[1:10:14] the food

[1:10:15] it's really good ingredients

[1:10:16] it tastes really good

[1:10:17] it heats up easy

[1:10:18] and when you have it

[1:10:20] at least in my opinion

[1:10:21] it doesn't feel like food

[1:10:22] that you've taken out of your fridge

[1:10:23] or freezer

[1:10:24] and then

[1:10:25] eaten

[1:10:26] like it

[1:10:26] and then just heat it up

[1:10:27] like it feels

[1:10:28] like you got

[1:10:29] a restaurant meal

[1:10:30] or like you cooked it yourself

[1:10:31] and knew how to cook

[1:10:32] that's the thing

[1:10:33] if I knew how to cook

[1:10:34] I would cook meals like factor

[1:10:36] I don't know how to cook though

[1:10:37] so thankfully

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[1:10:40] including lean proteins

[1:10:41] colorful veggies

[1:10:42] you want veggies

[1:10:43] with color in them

[1:10:44] right

[1:10:44] you don't want veggies

[1:10:45] that are gray

[1:10:46] gray limp

[1:10:47] british veggies

[1:10:48] you don't want those

[1:10:49] actually

[1:10:49] Britain has some great veggies

[1:10:51] they have great peas there

[1:10:52] but whole food ingredients

[1:10:53] and healthy fats

[1:10:54] there's a hundred

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[1:11:10] it takes so little time

[1:11:11] I've talked about it before

[1:11:13] factor is a big hit

[1:11:14] in our house

[1:11:14] often I will have it

[1:11:16] planning to eat it

[1:11:18] for lunches

[1:11:18] when I'm working

[1:11:19] and find that

[1:11:20] it's gone

[1:11:21] because my wife

[1:11:21] has taken it

[1:11:22] to eat her lunch

[1:11:23] at work

[1:11:24] and have factor food

[1:11:25] and it just means

[1:11:26] we need to get more factor stuff

[1:11:27] I should just order more

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[1:11:30] I use it

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Stuart Wellington

[1:12:07] with Vector

[1:12:08] we've also got a

[1:12:09] Jumbotron

[1:12:11] this message is for

[1:12:13] Sarah

[1:12:14] last name withheld

[1:12:15] and it is from

[1:12:16] Ben

[1:12:18] happy 40th birthday

[1:12:20] Sarah

[1:12:21] I have been lucky enough

[1:12:22] to be your friend

[1:12:23] for more than 25 years

[1:12:25] I love your enthusiasm

[1:12:27] your ruthless

[1:12:28] Settlers of Catan

[1:12:29] gameplay

[1:12:30] the laughs

[1:12:31] we have shared

[1:12:32] your hatred of sunburns

[1:12:34] and your obsession

[1:12:35] with bidets

[1:12:36] I hope your next

[1:12:37] 40 years

[1:12:38] will be filled with

[1:12:39] one thousands

[1:12:40] of laughs

[1:12:41] and one hundreds

[1:12:42] of bidets

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:44] that's very sweet

[1:12:45] very sweet

[1:12:46] and very hygienic

Dan McCoy

[1:12:47] so many bidets

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:48] usually

Dan McCoy

[1:12:49] you can do with

[1:12:51] one or two

[1:12:52] I burn mine out

[1:12:53] pretty quick

Elliott Kalan

[1:12:53] they get overused

[1:12:55] they put in work

[1:12:56] Dan

[1:12:58] can I mention

[1:12:58] some things of my own

[1:12:59] that I would like to promote

[1:13:00] sure why not

[1:13:00] as mentioned earlier

[1:13:01] my new comic book

[1:13:02] Barbarian Behind Bars

[1:13:03] from Mad Cave Studios

[1:13:04] is on comic book store shelves now

[1:13:06] I am reuniting

[1:13:07] with my Maniac of New York artist

[1:13:09] Andrea Moody

[1:13:09] and it's really cool

[1:13:11] it's the story of a

[1:13:12] barbarian from a fantasy world

[1:13:14] who lands on earth

[1:13:15] gets thrown in jail

[1:13:16] nobody can speak his language

[1:13:18] they don't know who he is

[1:13:19] how is his public defender

[1:13:20] going to defend him

[1:13:21] and what happens

[1:13:22] when the mystic evils

[1:13:24] that have followed him

[1:13:25] to this world

[1:13:26] start causing chaos

[1:13:27] in the prison

[1:13:28] so that's Barbarian Behind Bars

[1:13:30] I think it's really fun

[1:13:31] I think you'll like it

[1:13:32] it's pretty violent

[1:13:32] so if you don't like

[1:13:34] seeing guys

[1:13:35] getting into fights

[1:13:35] and stuff getting hurt

[1:13:37] then you should still read it

[1:13:39] anyway

[1:13:39] I've got a couple other things

[1:13:40] I want to remind you

[1:13:41] that my book

[1:13:41] Joke Farming

[1:13:42] How to Write Comedy

[1:13:43] and Other Nonsense

[1:13:44] from the University of Chicago Press

[1:13:45] is still available

[1:13:46] if you want to learn

[1:13:46] how jokes work

[1:13:47] how to write them

[1:13:48] what my writing process is

[1:13:50] for writing jokes

[1:13:50] that has served me well

[1:13:51] lo these 20 years or so

[1:13:53] of professional joke writing

[1:13:54] then pick it up

[1:13:55] it's called Joke Farming

[1:13:56] it's available everywhere

[1:13:57] that you can buy a book

[1:13:58] I'm still writing

[1:13:59] Harley Quinn

[1:13:59] for DC Comics

[1:14:00] as of this recording

[1:14:03] the issue that came out

[1:14:03] most recently

[1:14:04] which is issue 59

[1:14:05] where Harley goes out

[1:14:06] on a date

[1:14:07] with her villain

[1:14:08] nemesis Althea Clang

[1:14:10] the villainous land developer

[1:14:12] that she's been fighting

[1:14:13] has come out

[1:14:15] that's the most recent issue

[1:14:15] and I'm really proud of it

[1:14:16] I think it's my favorite issue

[1:14:17] the run

[1:14:17] I really love it

[1:14:19] I'm really happy

[1:14:19] with how it came out

[1:14:20] and I'd recommend it

[1:14:21] that's Harley Quinn

[1:14:21] on store shelves now

[1:14:24] and why not check out

[1:14:25] my other podcast Clueless

[1:14:26] which is a puzzle podcast

[1:14:28] through the Smart List Network

[1:14:29] wait I have one more thing

[1:14:30] wait I have one more thing

[1:14:32] I just realized

[1:14:32] I have one more thing

[1:14:33] I have one more thing

[1:14:34] yeah

[1:14:34] I think my Hercules comic series

[1:14:37] my Disney Hercules comic series

[1:14:39] they're releasing a collection

[1:14:40] of the first six issues

[1:14:41] and if that sells well enough

[1:14:44] maybe we'll be able to print

[1:14:45] the next six issues

[1:14:46] which are written

[1:14:47] and which will complete the story

[1:14:49] started in that book

[1:14:49] so pick it up

[1:14:51] so that you can read

[1:14:51] the end of the story eventually

Dan McCoy

[1:14:52] I saw there was a Kickstarter

[1:14:53] for that

[1:14:54] but I didn't see how

[1:14:55] how does one like

[1:14:56] just get the thing

[1:14:57] without being a Kickstarter funder

Elliott Kalan

[1:14:59] I think the Kickstarter

[1:15:00] was to get it going

[1:15:01] I think it's going to be

[1:15:01] available in stores

[1:15:02] okay great

[1:15:02] also yeah

[1:15:03] hey it's TV Chef Fantasy League

[1:15:11] you know the podcast

[1:15:12] where we watch

[1:15:12] cooking competition shows

[1:15:13] and we treat them

[1:15:14] like fantasy sports

S4

[1:15:15] right now we're getting ready

[1:15:17] for Top Chef Carolinas

[1:15:18] we spend all year

[1:15:20] covering these competitions

[1:15:21] but now it's time

[1:15:22] for the main event

Elliott Kalan

[1:15:23] the apex predator

[1:15:24] of competitive cooking

[1:15:26] television shows

[1:15:27] tune in

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[1:15:28] and play along

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[1:16:26] let us turn to

[1:16:29] letters from listeners

[1:16:31] like you

[1:16:32] this first letter

[1:16:33] is from

[1:16:34] Graham

[1:16:36] Cracker

[1:16:36] he's never heard

[1:16:39] that one before

[1:16:40] I have a fascination

[1:16:42] with movies

[1:16:42] that were received

[1:16:43] poorly by the public

[1:16:44] upon release

[1:16:45] but became classics

[1:16:46] over the years

[1:16:46] growing up

[1:16:47] I had always known

[1:16:48] Jordan Carpenter's

[1:16:49] The Thing

[1:16:50] as a sci-fi

[1:16:50] horror classic

[1:16:51] but was surprised

[1:16:52] to discover

[1:16:53] it was hated

[1:16:53] by critics

[1:16:54] and audiences

[1:16:55] when it hit

[1:16:55] cinemas in 1982

[1:16:57] the quote

[1:16:59] official explanation

[1:17:00] is that it suffered

[1:17:01] from comparison

[1:17:01] to E.T.

[1:17:02] but I personally

[1:17:03] don't buy this

[1:17:04] surely audiences

[1:17:04] wouldn't expect

[1:17:05] the aliens

[1:17:06] in a horror film

[1:17:07] to be friendly

[1:17:08] showgirls

[1:17:10] and starship troopers

[1:17:10] both directed

[1:17:11] by Paul Verhoeven

[1:17:12] were considered

[1:17:12] misogynistic

[1:17:13] and fascistic

[1:17:14] respectively

[1:17:15] on release

[1:17:16] but have been

[1:17:17] positively re-evaluated

[1:17:19] as satires

[1:17:20] in subsequent years

[1:17:21] why is this obvious

[1:17:22] now and not back

[1:17:23] in the 90s

[1:17:24] what got me started

[1:17:26] on this train of thought

[1:17:26] was of all things

[1:17:27] a goofy movie

[1:17:28] it received tepid reviews

[1:17:30] when it was released

[1:17:31] and I myself

[1:17:31] remember watching it

[1:17:32] shortly after it came out

[1:17:33] and being unimpressed

[1:17:35] but it has since

[1:17:36] gone on to be

[1:17:36] a beloved entry

[1:17:38] in the Disney catalog

[1:17:39] a touching story

[1:17:40] about a father-son

[1:17:41] relationship

[1:17:41] with some excellent

[1:17:42] tunes to boot

[1:17:43] I re-watched it

[1:17:45] recently

[1:17:45] and found myself

[1:17:46] enjoying it

[1:17:46] much more

[1:17:47] than I remember

[1:17:47] doing so

[1:17:48] as a kid

[1:17:49] so what films

[1:17:50] can you think of

[1:17:51] that audiences

[1:17:51] or yourselves

[1:17:52] reacted to poorly

[1:17:54] when it came out

[1:17:55] but went on

[1:17:55] to be appreciated

[1:17:56] later

[1:17:56] and why were

[1:17:57] the movies

[1:17:58] qualities

[1:17:58] not apparent

[1:17:59] to audiences

[1:18:00] from the start

[1:18:01] keep on flopping

[1:18:02] Graham

[1:18:03] I want to say

[1:18:03] a few things

[1:18:04] about the movies

[1:18:04] that were

[1:18:05] referenced here

[1:18:06] you hate all of them

[1:18:08] so the thing

[1:18:10] I remember

[1:18:11] I feel like

[1:18:12] Ebert floated

[1:18:13] this like

[1:18:13] E.T. theory

[1:18:15] that that was

[1:18:15] widely

[1:18:15] like the issue

[1:18:16] I think that

[1:18:17] with the thing

[1:18:19] part of it

[1:18:19] was like

[1:18:20] critics of the time

[1:18:21] were like

[1:18:22] you're remaking

[1:18:23] a classic

[1:18:24] and like

[1:18:24] I like the thing

[1:18:25] from another

[1:18:25] world

[1:18:26] but I don't think

[1:18:26] it's like

[1:18:27] an unassailable

[1:18:27] movie that we

[1:18:28] can't remake

[1:18:29] but I think

[1:18:30] that there have

[1:18:31] been fewer

[1:18:31] remakes

[1:18:32] at that time

[1:18:33] in Hollywood

[1:18:34] they were viewed

[1:18:35] as

[1:18:35] you know

[1:18:37] more of like

[1:18:38] a full scourge

[1:18:39] by the critical

[1:18:40] class

[1:18:41] than like

[1:18:42] now people

[1:18:42] have just

[1:18:42] buckled under

[1:18:43] and they're like

[1:18:44] I guess this is

[1:18:44] what we're getting

[1:18:45] so if one's good

[1:18:46] then we'll say

[1:18:47] it's good

[1:18:48] that was a large

[1:18:49] maybe

Elliott Kalan

[1:18:50] I think also

[1:18:51] it was a

[1:18:52] I mean

[1:18:53] it is providing

[1:18:54] video nasty

[1:18:56] thrills

[1:18:56] on a big budget

[1:18:57] at a major release

[1:18:59] critics were not

[1:19:00] ready for that

[1:19:01] and it's

[1:19:01] got a bleak ending

[1:19:02] and it's bleak

[1:19:03] they were

[1:19:04] I think

[1:19:04] the fact

[1:19:05] that it's

[1:19:05] bleak and dark

[1:19:06] and that it is

[1:19:07] gross

[1:19:07] I think

[1:19:08] in a great way

[1:19:08] I think

[1:19:09] it's my second

[1:19:09] favorite John Carver

[1:19:10] movie

[1:19:11] it's his best

[1:19:11] movie

[1:19:11] I think

[1:19:14] they just

[1:19:14] were not

[1:19:15] tuned to it

[1:19:16] it's similar

[1:19:17] to when

[1:19:18] Bonnie and Clyde

[1:19:19] came out

[1:19:19] and the big

[1:19:20] story was how

[1:19:21] it got

[1:19:21] a very bad

[1:19:22] review from

[1:19:23] the New York

[1:19:23] Times

[1:19:23] and Pauline

[1:19:25] Kale's first

[1:19:25] review I think

[1:19:26] was not

[1:19:26] too good

[1:19:27] for it

[1:19:27] and then

[1:19:27] later

[1:19:28] she resought

[1:19:29] and re-evaluated

[1:19:29] it

[1:19:30] but it was

[1:19:30] partly because

[1:19:31] the youth

[1:19:32] of America

[1:19:32] among other things

[1:19:33] really took

[1:19:34] to it

[1:19:34] and sometimes

[1:19:35] the critics

[1:19:36] are just not

[1:19:36] ready for

[1:19:37] something that

[1:19:38] they're not used to

[1:19:39] they're people too

Dan McCoy

[1:19:40] well I want to

[1:19:41] say similarly

[1:19:41] with a goofy

[1:19:42] movie I think

[1:19:43] that it was

[1:19:44] looked at as

[1:19:44] like oh

[1:19:45] you know

[1:19:45] like this

[1:19:46] cheap TV

[1:19:47] animation is

[1:19:49] being released

[1:19:50] by Disney

[1:19:50] you know

[1:19:51] it felt like

[1:19:52] there's a context

[1:19:53] it was in

[1:19:54] where like

[1:19:54] they were

[1:19:54] devaluing

[1:19:55] something that

[1:19:55] you know

[1:19:56] like yeah

[1:19:57] it was not

[1:19:57] as like

[1:19:58] fully animated

[1:19:59] as the big

[1:20:00] Disney things

[1:20:01] but it's a

[1:20:01] pretty well done

[1:20:02] film and it's

[1:20:03] delivering something

[1:20:03] different

[1:20:04] it's delivering

[1:20:05] like a story

[1:20:06] about kind

[1:20:06] of like

[1:20:07] a modern teen

[1:20:08] and his dad

[1:20:09] I mean

[1:20:09] sure they're

[1:20:10] like both

[1:20:11] dogmen

[1:20:11] but it's like

[1:20:13] providing a

[1:20:13] different thing

[1:20:14] that I think

[1:20:15] over time

[1:20:15] people appreciated

[1:20:16] that

[1:20:17] that so much

[1:20:18] of this

[1:20:19] has to do

[1:20:19] with like

[1:20:20] context like that

[1:20:21] for like the

[1:20:21] first thing

[1:20:22] that springs

[1:20:22] to my mind

[1:20:23] in this area

[1:20:23] is the big

[1:20:24] Lebowski

[1:20:25] which was

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:25] dismissed

Dan McCoy

[1:20:27] you know

[1:20:29] I liked it

[1:20:29] when I first

[1:20:30] saw it

[1:20:30] I was like

[1:20:30] what are you

[1:20:31] guys talking

[1:20:31] about

[1:20:32] but like

[1:20:32] it had a

[1:20:33] hard time

[1:20:34] was it

[1:20:35] came right

[1:20:36] after Fargo

[1:20:37] and people

[1:20:38] were expecting

[1:20:39] a certain

[1:20:39] thing out

[1:20:40] of the Coens

[1:20:41] like okay

[1:20:41] well now

[1:20:42] they're like

[1:20:43] making Oscar

[1:20:44] plays

[1:20:45] or whatever

[1:20:45] you know

[1:20:45] and it's

[1:20:46] like no

[1:20:46] they're making

[1:20:47] the same

[1:20:47] sort of silly

[1:20:48] stuff they've

[1:20:49] been making

[1:20:49] for a while

[1:20:50] well

Elliott Kalan

[1:20:50] there's a

[1:20:51] with the

[1:20:52] Coen brothers

[1:20:52] there

[1:20:53] it took a

[1:20:53] long time

[1:20:54] I think

[1:20:54] for critics

[1:20:54] to understand

[1:20:55] that the

[1:20:56] there is a

[1:20:57] unifying feel

[1:20:58] through their

[1:20:58] movies

[1:20:58] but it doesn't

[1:20:59] mean they just

[1:20:59] make the same

[1:21:00] kind of movie

[1:21:00] over and over

[1:21:01] again

[1:21:01] and it was

[1:21:04] they did see

[1:21:04] Big Lebowski

[1:21:05] as like

[1:21:05] why are these

[1:21:06] artists

[1:21:07] wasting their

[1:21:08] talent on this

[1:21:09] on this

[1:21:10] pointless

[1:21:10] goofiness

[1:21:11] you know

[1:21:11] and then when

[1:21:13] the Coen brothers

[1:21:13] made a goofy movie

[1:21:14] it was the same

[1:21:14] thing over again

[1:21:15] you know

[1:21:15] they were like

[1:21:16] why are the

[1:21:17] wasting their

[1:21:17] time on this

[1:21:18] animated movie

[1:21:19] about Goofy

[1:21:19] and his son

[1:21:20] because they

[1:21:20] made that one too

[1:21:21] but it all

[1:21:23] comes down to

[1:21:24] I think

[1:21:24] with audiences

[1:21:25] I think

[1:21:26] sometimes it is

[1:21:27] the way a movie

[1:21:27] I think you're right

[1:21:28] Dan's context

[1:21:29] it's sometimes

[1:21:29] the way a movie

[1:21:29] is presented

[1:21:30] and marketed

[1:21:30] if the Big Lebowski

[1:21:32] is presented as

[1:21:33] from the makers

[1:21:33] of Fargo

[1:21:34] you're gonna expect

[1:21:35] it's gonna be like

[1:21:36] Fargo

[1:21:36] if a movie

[1:21:37] if a movie

Elliott Kalan

[1:21:37] like Starship Troopers

[1:21:38] is presented as

[1:21:39] you know

[1:21:40] just an action movie

[1:21:42] then

[1:21:43] I think

[1:21:43] what's amazing to me

[1:21:44] is how

[1:21:45] few of the reviewers

[1:21:47] understood the purpose

[1:21:48] of Starship Troopers

[1:21:49] and took it at face value

[1:21:50] and were like

[1:21:51] Verhoeven doesn't seem

[1:21:52] to realize

[1:21:53] he's made a pro-Nazi movie

[1:21:54] and it's like

[1:21:55] come on guys

[1:21:56] like think for a moment

[1:21:57] whoopsie

[1:21:58] like the idea

[1:22:00] that

[1:22:00] well also the idea

[1:22:01] that any European

[1:22:01] filmmaker of his age

[1:22:03] would not be aware

[1:22:04] of what he's doing

[1:22:05] when it comes to

[1:22:05] presenting fascist ideas

[1:22:07] in a movie

[1:22:08] is also

[1:22:08] funny to me

Dan McCoy

[1:22:10] Patrick Harrison

[1:22:10] clearly

[1:22:11] SS inspired

[1:22:12] gear

[1:22:13] well let's say

Elliott Kalan

[1:22:14] Hugo Boss

[1:22:15] adjacent gear

[1:22:16] but I think it's also

[1:22:17] I will

[1:22:18] not to excuse these critics

[1:22:19] but I'll say like

[1:22:20] they're coming at it

[1:22:21] with their context too

[1:22:22] they also are not

[1:22:23] given a lot of time

[1:22:23] to think about

[1:22:24] the thing that they're watching

[1:22:25] they see it

[1:22:26] they gotta write the review

[1:22:28] with a work of art

[1:22:29] it takes you a little bit

[1:22:31] of time to let it

[1:22:32] sink into you

[1:22:32] and to figure out

[1:22:33] what's going on

[1:22:33] I remember when I saw

[1:22:34] There Will Be Blood

[1:22:35] an old man on the other

[1:22:37] sitting across the aisle

[1:22:38] from me goes

[1:22:38] so what did you think

[1:22:39] about that

[1:22:40] and clearly wanted

[1:22:41] to complain to somebody

[1:22:42] and I was like

[1:22:42] I don't know yet

[1:22:43] he's like

[1:22:43] you don't know

[1:22:44] I'm like

[1:22:44] yeah I don't know

[1:22:45] like I just finished

[1:22:46] watching it

[1:22:46] and it was like

[1:22:47] yeah I gotta think

[1:22:48] about this

[1:22:48] this is not a movie

[1:22:49] where I'm just gonna be

[1:22:49] a second later

[1:22:50] gonna be like

[1:22:51] yeah that was

[1:22:52] a total

[1:22:52] that was a total

[1:22:53] rocking you know

[1:22:54] piece of work

[1:22:55] we're like

[1:22:55] oh what a snooze fest

[1:22:56] and clearly

[1:22:57] he had made up his mind

[1:22:58] sometimes it takes time

[1:23:00] and you know

[1:23:00] let's like

[1:23:01] one of the other movies

[1:23:02] that I think about

[1:23:02] with this is Vertigo

[1:23:03] which when it came out

[1:23:04] was considered

[1:23:05] kind of middling

[1:23:06] to poor Hitchcock

[1:23:08] and it took time

[1:23:09] I think for people

[1:23:09] to tease out

[1:23:10] how autobiographical

[1:23:13] the obsession

[1:23:13] stuff in it is

[1:23:15] and how deep

[1:23:16] that runs

[1:23:16] in terms of

[1:23:17] filmmaking

[1:23:18] and storytelling

[1:23:18] and what he's doing

[1:23:19] in it

[1:23:20] and they were

[1:23:21] instead were like

[1:23:22] eh

[1:23:22] not as many thrills

[1:23:23] it's not as suspenseful

[1:23:24] as his other movies

[1:23:25] they're just judging it

[1:23:27] by the wrong criteria

[1:23:28] you know I think

Dan McCoy

[1:23:29] it's unclear

[1:23:30] like

[1:23:30] I also think about

[1:23:32] one of my

[1:23:32] one of my big

[1:23:34] totally wrong

[1:23:36] statements

[1:23:37] or like thoughts

[1:23:38] I had was like

[1:23:38] I walked out

[1:23:39] you were like

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:40] RFK Jr.

[1:23:40] will make a great

[1:23:41] yeah yeah

[1:23:42] ultimate resources

[1:23:43] whatever person

[1:23:44] uh huh

Dan McCoy

[1:23:44] no I walked out

[1:23:46] of the frighteners

[1:23:47] and I'm like

[1:23:47] this is gonna be huge

[1:23:48] because like to me

[1:23:49] like it had everything

[1:23:50] it was like

[1:23:51] oh you know

[1:23:52] like laughs and thrills

[1:23:53] and it's glossy

[1:23:53] Jeffrey Combs

[1:23:54] yeah

[1:23:55] America loves

[1:23:56] Jeffrey Combs

[1:23:57] but you know

[1:23:57] but it has

Elliott Kalan

[1:23:58] it's got John Esten

[1:23:59] having sex with a mummy

[1:24:00] people are gonna love this

Dan McCoy

[1:24:01] but it did have

[1:24:02] Michael J. Fox

[1:24:03] who people genuinely do love

[1:24:04] and like

[1:24:05] I was like

[1:24:06] this is gonna be big

[1:24:06] and then it was a huge flop

[1:24:08] but it has had

[1:24:10] you know

[1:24:11] it's a cult success

[1:24:13] this is a real good movie

[1:24:13] it's had legs

[1:24:15] and that's partly because

[1:24:16] then you know

[1:24:16] like

[1:24:17] all of Peter Jackson's stuff

[1:24:19] became notable

[1:24:20] because of like

[1:24:21] what he went on to do

[1:24:22] in part because of the

[1:24:23] frighteners

[1:24:23] in part because of the

[1:24:23] frighteners

[1:24:24] what did he do

[1:24:24] showed that he could

[1:24:26] control

[1:24:26] he could do the sort of

[1:24:28] like big special effects

[1:24:29] filmmaking on a large level

[1:24:31] but I don't know why

[1:24:32] that wasn't

[1:24:33] more of a success

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:34] I mean I think it's not

[1:24:35] a movie that

[1:24:36] I mean I loved it

[1:24:37] I remember seeing the theaters

[1:24:37] and loving it

[1:24:38] but while watching it

[1:24:39] at no point was like

[1:24:40] this is gonna be a big hit

[1:24:41] because again like

[1:24:42] it's got a darkness to it

[1:24:43] it's got an unpleasantness to it

[1:24:45] horror comedies always

[1:24:46] are

Stuart Wellington

[1:24:46] always do badly

Dan McCoy

[1:24:48] not always

[1:24:49] I don't know about that

[1:24:50] but

[1:24:50] American Werewolf from London

[1:24:52] for instance

[1:24:53] was a huge hit

[1:24:54] hilarious movie

[1:24:56] it's not that funny

Elliott Kalan

[1:24:57] it's pretty much

[1:24:57] I mean it's okay

[1:24:58] but it's not

[1:24:59] it's not funny the way

[1:25:00] the frighteners

[1:25:00] or like

[1:25:02] Shaun of the Dead

[1:25:03] or Evil Dead 2 is

Dan McCoy

[1:25:03] but Shaun of the Dead

[1:25:04] was a successful movie

[1:25:05] you know

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:05] I think it's

[1:25:06] you gotta

[1:25:06] with a horror comedy

[1:25:07] I think you really gotta

[1:25:08] I mean there are

[1:25:09] successful horror comedies

[1:25:10] like Happy Death Day

[1:25:11] was a successful movie

[1:25:12] you know

[1:25:13] but like

Dan McCoy

[1:25:13] but it is harder

Elliott Kalan

[1:25:15] well I think

[1:25:16] it's really hard

[1:25:17] I think because

[1:25:17] you gotta make sure

[1:25:18] the audience is aware

[1:25:19] all the time

[1:25:19] is this a laughing part

[1:25:21] or is this a scary part

[1:25:22] and some of the best

[1:25:23] horror comedies

[1:25:24] it's not super clear

[1:25:25] when you're supposed to laugh

[1:25:26] and when you're supposed

[1:25:26] to scream

[1:25:26] and that hurts

[1:25:28] it makes it harder

[1:25:28] like hereditary

[1:25:29] I mean in some ways

[1:25:31] yeah like hereditary

[1:25:32] yeah

[1:25:32] you laugh when that head

Stuart Wellington

[1:25:34] comes off

[1:25:34] it's funny

[1:25:35] when Gabriel Byrne

[1:25:38] just bursts into flames

[1:25:39] and you're like

[1:25:40] his name's Byrne

[1:25:41] I get it

[1:25:43] Stuart do you have anything

[1:25:45] or should I move on

[1:25:46] I mean I was gonna say

[1:25:47] something like

[1:25:48] Prometheus

[1:25:49] a movie that I think

[1:25:50] suffered a lot

[1:25:51] because it was presented

[1:25:52] very clearly

[1:25:52] as a direct alien prequel

[1:25:54] and it is

[1:25:55] obviously

[1:25:56] that was not

[1:25:57] Ridley Scott's

[1:25:58] intention

[1:25:58] a far stranger

[1:25:59] it's far stranger

[1:26:00] but I think it's a beautiful movie

[1:26:01] that has a lot of

[1:26:02] great things in it

[1:26:03] and it's a movie

[1:26:05] that's also grown on me

[1:26:06] over time

Dan McCoy

[1:26:06] this second

[1:26:08] and final letter

[1:26:09] is from

[1:26:10] Justice Last Name Withheld

[1:26:11] who writes

[1:26:12] hey peaches

[1:26:13] this question

[1:26:14] is mainly for Elliot

[1:26:16] yes

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:17] yes

[1:26:18] yes

[1:26:19] wow

[1:26:20] yes

Dan McCoy

[1:26:20] how dare you

[1:26:22] uh oh

[1:26:24] I recently had a kid

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:27] and realized

[1:26:27] I had

[1:26:28] uh oh

[1:26:28] guys

[1:26:29] wait

[1:26:29] we gotta take this to Maury

[1:26:31] I can't

[1:26:32] I'm not admitting paternity

Dan McCoy

[1:26:34] I recently had a kid

[1:26:36] and realized

[1:26:36] I have no idea

[1:26:37] what the good

[1:26:38] kid friendly

[1:26:39] dinosaur books are

[1:26:40] that aren't

[1:26:41] 30 years

[1:26:41] out of date

[1:26:42] any suggestions

[1:26:43] of books

[1:26:44] or movies

[1:26:44] that your kids enjoyed

[1:26:45] and you felt

[1:26:46] were reasonably accurate

[1:26:47] or educational

[1:26:48] also I really pushed

[1:26:50] for Elliot as a name

[1:26:51] but got outvoted

[1:26:52] sorry

Elliott Kalan

[1:26:52] that's alright

[1:26:53] it's a great name

[1:26:54] maybe

[1:26:54] maybe next time

[1:26:55] um

[1:26:56] too many syllables

[1:26:58] three syllables

[1:27:00] yeah man

[1:27:01] what

Dan McCoy

[1:27:02] my tongue's exhausted

[1:27:03] by the end of that

[1:27:04] I mean

Elliott Kalan

[1:27:04] it can't all be Dan

[1:27:05] but your name is Daniel

[1:27:06] right

[1:27:07] that's two syllables

[1:27:07] yeah

[1:27:08] Stuart

[1:27:09] yeah you got one more

[1:27:09] two syllables

[1:27:10] I got one more syllable

[1:27:11] yeah

[1:27:11] one more syllable

[1:27:12] one more fun

[1:27:13] more syllables

[1:27:14] more fun

[1:27:14] that's what the old guy

[1:27:15] in the Six Flags

[1:27:16] commercials used to say

[1:27:16] right

[1:27:17] uh huh

[1:27:17] um

[1:27:18] that's a good question

[1:27:19] I think

[1:27:20] when it comes to like

[1:27:21] uh movies

[1:27:22] that are accurate

[1:27:23] I don't know that there are any

[1:27:24] to be honest

[1:27:25] like we have yet to see

[1:27:26] the accurate

[1:27:27] you know

[1:27:28] feathered dinosaur

[1:27:29] movie of my dreams

[1:27:30] um

[1:27:31] in terms of books for kids

[1:27:33] that are accurate

[1:27:33] now I gotta say

[1:27:34] there are good

[1:27:35] books for grownups

[1:27:36] about current dinosaur science

[1:27:38] um

[1:27:39] I'll recommend

[1:27:40] there's a podcast

[1:27:40] called Terrible Lizards

[1:27:41] that I think is family friendly

[1:27:43] listening

[1:27:43] that's about

[1:27:44] kind of the

[1:27:44] latest in dinosaur science

[1:27:46] and that's

[1:27:47] I like that podcast a lot

[1:27:48] but um

[1:27:49] for books

[1:27:50] um

[1:27:51] yeah I don't know

[1:27:52] that's

[1:27:52] I wish I had a better answer

[1:27:53] for you

[1:27:53] my children

[1:27:54] are not interested

[1:27:55] in dinosaurs

[1:27:55] which pains me

[1:27:56] uh

[1:27:57] one is into sports

[1:27:58] and the other is into

[1:27:59] animals

[1:28:00] that are alive

[1:28:01] or prehistoric mammals

[1:28:03] and I'm like

[1:28:03] it's just one step

[1:28:04] why are we learning

[1:28:05] about these glyptodons

[1:28:06] let's just move over

[1:28:07] to dinosaurs

[1:28:08] yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:28:08] mammals are so cute

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:10] I mean

[1:28:11] they're cute

[1:28:12] but like

[1:28:12] look at

[1:28:13] I mean the prehistoric ones

[1:28:14] there's like a big sloth

[1:28:15] and stuff like that

[1:28:16] it's like

[1:28:17] what are we doing

[1:28:18] yeah I guess that's true

[1:28:19] yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:28:19] um

[1:28:21] yeah I just say this

[1:28:22] as someone who like

[1:28:23] loves animals

[1:28:24] but is mostly into like

[1:28:26] how adorable

[1:28:26] they are

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:27] I mean that's

[1:28:28] again that's mostly

[1:28:29] my son's interest too

[1:28:30] is how adorable

[1:28:31] they are

[1:28:31] yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:28:31] um

[1:28:32] hey

[1:28:33] let's uh

[1:28:34] let's move on

[1:28:35] to recommendations

[1:28:36] movies that uh

[1:28:37] as much as

[1:28:38] L.M. McKay might have

[1:28:39] its heart in the right place

[1:28:40] uh

[1:28:41] maybe your time

[1:28:41] would be better spent

[1:28:42] elsewhere

Elliott Kalan

[1:28:42] the problem is

[1:28:43] L.M. McKay's heart

[1:28:44] is in the right place

[1:28:44] but every other body part

[1:28:46] is totally messed up

[1:28:46] you don't even want to

[1:28:47] know where the spleen is

[1:28:48] oh no

Dan McCoy

[1:28:50] oh boy

[1:28:51] oh brother

[1:28:51] um

[1:28:52] it's in the scrotum

[1:28:53] that's what

[1:28:54] that's what

[1:28:54] what

[1:28:55] um

[1:28:56] I want to recommend

[1:28:58] I want to pull an Elliot

[1:28:59] and recommend

[1:29:00] a movie from the 30s

[1:29:02] uh

[1:29:03] Elliot may have

[1:29:04] recommended this

[1:29:04] in the past in fact

[1:29:05] but uh

[1:29:06] I didn't check

[1:29:07] this is

[1:29:08] Gold Diggers

[1:29:09] of 1933

[1:29:10] it's on the uh

[1:29:12] Mervyn Leroy

[1:29:14] uh

[1:29:14] Criterion

[1:29:15] uh

[1:29:16] collection right now

[1:29:17] um

[1:29:17] although uh

[1:29:18] it's co-directed

[1:29:19] with

[1:29:19] but

[1:29:20] Busby Berkeley

[1:29:21] who did the uh

[1:29:22] the musical numbers

Elliott Kalan

[1:29:23] and there was

[1:29:24] there was a

[1:29:24] Warner's Busby Berkeley

[1:29:26] DVD set that came out

[1:29:27] years ago

[1:29:28] that this is in too

[1:29:28] that's a

[1:29:29] that's a great set

[1:29:29] there's some really good stuff in it

Dan McCoy

[1:29:31] um

[1:29:32] I had thought

[1:29:33] maybe I'd seen this movie before

[1:29:34] because I'd seen

[1:29:35] clips of the

[1:29:37] absolutely nutty

[1:29:39] musical numbers

[1:29:40] and this

[1:29:40] uh

[1:29:41] but I realized

[1:29:42] I had not actually seen

[1:29:43] the whole movie

[1:29:44] and uh

[1:29:45] I'd done myself a disservice

[1:29:46] because it's very funny

[1:29:47] uh

[1:29:48] you know

[1:29:49] it

[1:29:50] it starts out with a lot of stuff

[1:29:52] about you know

[1:29:52] oh it's the depression

[1:29:53] like all these uh

[1:29:54] these shows are being shut down

[1:29:55] these chorus goals

[1:29:56] have no work for them

[1:29:58] um

[1:29:59] the main meat of it

[1:30:00] then ends up being like

[1:30:02] a

[1:30:03] a rich

[1:30:04] uh

[1:30:05] son of a family

[1:30:06] uh

[1:30:07] played by uh

[1:30:08] wait

[1:30:08] who is it

[1:30:09] Dick Powell

[1:30:11] uh

[1:30:12] you know

[1:30:13] gets involved

[1:30:13] with one of the chorus girls

[1:30:14] and then

[1:30:15] the brother

[1:30:17] and their lawyer

[1:30:18] show up to try and put a

[1:30:19] stop to this

[1:30:20] saying like

[1:30:21] oh you know

[1:30:22] these girls are all

[1:30:23] just gold diggers

[1:30:24] and the girls

[1:30:25] overhear this

[1:30:26] and decide to

[1:30:27] get back at these people

[1:30:28] by gold digging

[1:30:29] the fuck out of them

[1:30:30] and making them

[1:30:32] love it

[1:30:32] love being uh

[1:30:34] taken advantage of

[1:30:35] and it's really funny

[1:30:37] on top of all of the

[1:30:38] um

[1:30:39] all the musical numbers

[1:30:41] and then it ends in a

[1:30:42] very sad musical

[1:30:43] number

[1:30:44] that

[1:30:44] is a

[1:30:45] weird clash of tones

[1:30:46] but uh

Elliott Kalan

[1:30:47] so that musical number

[1:30:48] was originally gonna

[1:30:48] so this is the

[1:30:49] forgotten

[1:30:50] remember my forgotten

[1:30:51] man number

[1:30:52] which is an amazing

[1:30:53] musical number

[1:30:53] it's and it's a

[1:30:54] beautiful song

[1:30:55] about basically

[1:30:56] a woman singing about

[1:30:57] my man went and fought

[1:30:59] in world war one

[1:31:00] and now no one's

[1:31:01] taking care of him

[1:31:01] and i need him

[1:31:02] and you need to

[1:31:03] take care of him

[1:31:03] so that i can have him

[1:31:05] and uh

[1:31:06] that was originally

[1:31:07] gonna be in the

[1:31:07] middle of the movie

[1:31:08] because it's like

[1:31:09] it's one of these

[1:31:09] old broadway type

[1:31:10] musicals where

[1:31:11] it's about a

[1:31:12] broadway show

[1:31:13] and so the musical

[1:31:14] numbers are just

[1:31:15] productions for that

[1:31:16] show

[1:31:16] they're not

[1:31:17] the characters singing

[1:31:18] about their true

[1:31:19] feelings in real life

[1:31:20] or anything like that

[1:31:21] and this was gonna be

[1:31:22] in the middle of the

[1:31:22] movie and they were

[1:31:23] like

[1:31:23] jesus we can't

[1:31:24] come back from this

[1:31:25] like after this

[1:31:27] there's no more

[1:31:27] mood we can't go

[1:31:28] back to the story

[1:31:29] so they place it

[1:31:29] at the end

[1:31:30] what i like about

[1:31:31] it is that this

[1:31:31] is a really frothy

[1:31:32] kind of light-hearted

[1:31:33] movie throughout

[1:31:34] it's set during

[1:31:35] the depression

[1:31:35] but it's really

[1:31:36] bubbly

[1:31:37] it is about

[1:31:37] these three women

[1:31:38] i mean aileen

[1:31:39] mcmahon is my

[1:31:39] favorite of them

[1:31:40] these three women

[1:31:41] who are just gonna

[1:31:42] who are just gonna

[1:31:43] gold dig their

[1:31:44] way through

[1:31:44] and the way she

[1:31:45] she reels in

[1:31:46] this rich guy

[1:31:47] who i think it's

[1:31:48] guy kivvy who

[1:31:48] plays him

[1:31:49] that they would

[1:31:50] be in a lot of

[1:31:50] movies together

[1:31:50] but um

[1:31:51] then to end

[1:31:53] that movie

[1:31:53] this really frothy

[1:31:54] bubbly movie

[1:31:55] with this very

[1:31:56] serious number

[1:31:58] uh i think it's a

[1:32:00] really powerful

[1:32:00] thing to do

[1:32:01] but it's also just

[1:32:02] an amazing number

[1:32:03] it's a it's a it's a

[1:32:04] really great movie

[1:32:05] and dan if you like

[1:32:05] that one have you

[1:32:06] ever seen the movie

[1:32:06] dames

Dan McCoy

[1:32:07] uh no but i went

[1:32:09] and i put that on

[1:32:09] my watch list right

[1:32:10] after this because i

[1:32:11] remember you talking

[1:32:12] about how much you

[1:32:13] love dames dames is

Elliott Kalan

[1:32:14] like if gold diggers

[1:32:15] of 1933 was even

[1:32:16] sillier and there's

[1:32:17] no and there's no

[1:32:18] remember my forgotten

[1:32:19] man number it's just

[1:32:20] it's just a it's just

[1:32:22] a like it's just a

[1:32:23] really goofy movie but

[1:32:25] the musical numbers

[1:32:25] are really fun and

[1:32:26] and uh it's a lot of

[1:32:27] the same ideas you

[1:32:28] know and some of the

[1:32:29] same cast i believe

[1:32:30] if i'm remembering

[1:32:31] correctly but yeah i

[1:32:32] i'll i have my own

[1:32:33] recommendation but i

[1:32:34] second dan's

[1:32:34] recommendation because i

[1:32:35] love that movie gold

[1:32:36] diggers 1933 i think

Stuart Wellington

[1:32:37] it's great uh i'm

[1:32:38] also going to

[1:32:38] recommend an older

[1:32:39] movie this is one i

[1:32:40] saw with dan it was

[1:32:41] called american cyborg

[1:32:42] steel warrior this is

[1:32:45] the movie what one of

[1:32:46] the last releases from

[1:32:47] canon films is that

[1:32:49] correct uh i think it

[1:32:50] may have even been the

[1:32:51] last may have even

[1:32:52] been the last so it's

[1:32:53] one of those like

[1:32:53] terminator knockoffs

[1:32:55] it's about a woman who

[1:32:56] is escorting the last

[1:32:58] uh living or healthy

[1:33:00] fetus uh in america

[1:33:02] to a boat so the boat

[1:33:03] can take it to europe so

[1:33:04] it can be raised

[1:33:05] uh in the what the

[1:33:08] eden that is europe in

Dan McCoy

[1:33:09] this weird post-apocalyptic

[1:33:10] future this is in a

[1:33:11] tube by the way this

Stuart Wellington

[1:33:12] is in a tube it's very

[1:33:14] much like uh

[1:33:15] something from like uh

[1:33:17] like a kojima game

[1:33:19] um and it's like it

[1:33:21] always looks like it's

[1:33:22] smiling and giving

[1:33:23] thumbs up it's awesome

[1:33:24] um and she is uh this

[1:33:26] woman is escorted and

[1:33:28] defended by uh this uh

[1:33:31] like long-haired jesus

[1:33:34] looking uh warrior guy

Dan McCoy

[1:33:36] yeah before the uh movie

[1:33:37] started uh christina gave

[1:33:39] us the detail that he

[1:33:40] played tarzan in two

[1:33:42] unrelated tarzan projects

Stuart Wellington

[1:33:43] yeah he's and he he has

[1:33:46] so much makeup on and

[1:33:47] his like everything is so

[1:33:48] manicured he looks like

[1:33:50] uh like a giga chad meme

[1:33:51] i love it so much and he's

[1:33:53] fighting this non-stop

[1:33:55] killer cyborg who looks

[1:33:56] like kind of if they were

[1:33:58] like we need to make a

[1:33:59] rob halford cyborg

[1:34:00] blunt like balding

[1:34:02] blonde mustache all

[1:34:04] leather huge it's great

[1:34:06] yeah uh it's very very

[1:34:07] silly uh i can't

[1:34:09] recommend it enough

[1:34:09] yeah it was a lot of

Elliott Kalan

[1:34:11] fun all right i'm gonna

[1:34:12] have to hunt that down

[1:34:13] i haven't seen that one

[1:34:14] i'm gonna recommend

[1:34:15] we have speaking of

[1:34:16] this relates to the

[1:34:17] question that we had

[1:34:17] earlier about uh movies

[1:34:19] that were kind of panned

[1:34:20] on their release and

[1:34:21] have received some

[1:34:22] appreciation later and i

[1:34:24] recently watched the

[1:34:25] re-edited version of the

[1:34:27] cotton club for

[1:34:28] francis ford coppola's

[1:34:28] movie which when it

[1:34:30] came out people were

[1:34:30] like this movie is does

[1:34:32] not work and it was a

[1:34:33] huge financial failure um

[1:34:35] but years later francis

[1:34:38] ford coppola spent his

[1:34:39] own money he loves

[1:34:40] spending money on his

[1:34:40] movies he spent like

[1:34:41] half a million dollars

[1:34:42] re-editing the movie

[1:34:43] god bless him for

[1:34:44] having the confidence in

[1:34:45] his own stuff i mean

[1:34:47] he's not gonna do it

[1:34:48] again i don't think i

[1:34:48] think i think i think

[1:34:49] megalopoulos has closed

[1:34:50] the door on his

[1:34:51] self-financing dreams

[1:34:52] again but uh he re-edited

[1:34:54] it into a movie called

[1:34:55] the cotton club encore and

[1:34:57] uh that's available on

[1:34:58] tubi right now and it

[1:35:00] still doesn't totally

[1:35:01] work uh but there's a

[1:35:03] lot of really good stuff

[1:35:04] in it it's about the

[1:35:06] cotton club in harlem and

[1:35:08] about the performers

[1:35:09] there this was the club

[1:35:10] where it was all black

[1:35:11] performers but black

[1:35:11] people were not allowed

[1:35:12] to attend the club only

[1:35:13] white people were and it

[1:35:15] was run by gangsters

[1:35:15] because all the clubs

[1:35:16] were run by gangsters

[1:35:17] and the movie is about the

[1:35:19] performers and the

[1:35:19] gangsters unfortunately

[1:35:21] it spends more time on the

[1:35:22] gangsters who are kind of

[1:35:23] less interesting and

[1:35:25] francis rod coppola i

[1:35:27] don't know if you guys

[1:35:28] know this already made the

[1:35:29] definitive movie about

[1:35:30] gangsters um so i the i

[1:35:33] don't know that he needed

[1:35:34] to do more gangster stuff

[1:35:35] there's some okay stuff in

[1:35:35] it but the stuff with the

[1:35:36] performers is really good

[1:35:38] there's a bunch of really

[1:35:39] great musical performances

[1:35:40] in it and dance

[1:35:40] performances gregory

[1:35:42] hines is in it with his

[1:35:43] brother um uh maurie

[1:35:44] tines and they do a number

[1:35:46] of dance routines that are

[1:35:47] really fantastic and at the

[1:35:49] end of the movie the world

[1:35:51] that's being created on

[1:35:52] stage and the real world

[1:35:53] outside the theater start

[1:35:55] to merge in a really fun

[1:35:57] way and it's almost like

[1:35:58] the end of the movie you're

[1:35:59] like oh they finally

[1:36:01] figured out what this movie

[1:36:02] should have been they

[1:36:03] cracked it but up until

[1:36:04] that point there's still a

[1:36:06] lot of good stuff in it

[1:36:06] and so i think it's an

[1:36:07] imperfect movie it still

[1:36:09] doesn't fully totally work

[1:36:10] but it looks beautiful the

[1:36:12] musical performances and

[1:36:13] the dance performances are

[1:36:14] great um and there's a

[1:36:15] lot of good scenes in it

[1:36:16] so i'd recommend the

[1:36:16] cotton club encore uh

[1:36:18] which again it's on tubie

[1:36:19] right now you don't even

[1:36:20] have to pay a dime to see

Dan McCoy

[1:36:21] this thing not a dime and

[1:36:25] brother could you spare

[1:36:26] one uh dance the living in

[1:36:29] the world of gold diggers

[1:36:29] 1933 i kept thinking that

[1:36:31] that was the song that

[1:36:31] they were gonna play i don't

[1:36:33] know why but it turned out

[1:36:34] to be a more specific song

[1:36:36] about uh you know that

[1:36:38] wasn't the song veterans um

Elliott Kalan

[1:36:40] so is that your note for

[1:36:41] the movie why didn't you

[1:36:42] do this song yeah i just

Dan McCoy

[1:36:44] wanted to but change it

[1:36:45] make it can you spare a

[1:36:46] dame i just wanted to end

[1:36:48] our episode on an

[1:36:49] deflating note

[1:36:50] i mean we're in the

Elliott Kalan

[1:36:51] money is in that that's

[1:36:52] this is the gold diggers

[1:36:53] 1933 is the one where if

[1:36:55] you've ever seen the

[1:36:55] footage of ginger rogers

[1:36:56] singing we're in the money

[1:36:57] in pig latin she does a

[1:36:58] whole verse okay yeah so

Dan McCoy

[1:37:00] or if you've seen the uh

[1:37:01] silhouettes of naked ladies

[1:37:03] because this is a uh pre-code

[1:37:05] movie uh that's from the

[1:37:06] petting in the park

[1:37:07] number yeah i mean that's

[1:37:09] which also includes uh billy

[1:37:12] barty as a horny baby

[1:37:15] he essentially runs around

[1:37:17] and gets chased by

[1:37:19] roller skating uh police

[1:37:20] officers at one point he

Elliott Kalan

[1:37:22] does this kind of it's

[1:37:23] either in dames or footlight

[1:37:24] parade there's a number

[1:37:25] called honeymoon hotel

[1:37:26] where a couple is getting

[1:37:27] into the hotel room to

[1:37:28] have sex and then billy

[1:37:29] barty kind of like

[1:37:30] scrambles out from under

[1:37:31] the bed and the husband

[1:37:32] throws an ashtray at him

[1:37:33] and he runs away like

[1:37:35] billy oh no it's in

[1:37:36] footlight parade that

[1:37:36] he's a cat there's a

[1:37:37] there's a there's a number

[1:37:38] where he's a little

[1:37:39] kitten uh but there's a

[1:37:40] billy barty as he was

[1:37:41] like a kid at the time

[1:37:42] i think or very young

[1:37:43] and it's just like uh he

[1:37:45] just they just would

[1:37:46] throw him in there to

[1:37:47] just get into trouble you

Dan McCoy

[1:37:48] know long career long

[1:37:50] career he was like i was

[1:37:51] like man he was in willow

[1:37:53] and he was in yes gold

[1:37:55] diggers of 1933

[1:37:56] um well with that

[1:38:00] appreciation of billy

[1:38:01] barty out of the way

[1:38:02] our traditional way of

[1:38:03] of course ending the

[1:38:04] podcast uh i'd like to

[1:38:05] say thank you to our

[1:38:06] network maximum fun go

[1:38:08] to maximum fun.org for

[1:38:09] other great podcasts of

[1:38:12] all kinds uh and thank

[1:38:13] you to alex smith our

[1:38:14] producer who makes us

[1:38:16] sound good and also does

[1:38:17] his own uh wonderful

[1:38:19] creative stuff under the

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[1:38:23] for this episode of the

[1:38:25] flop house i have been

[1:38:26] dan mccoy i'm steward

[1:38:28] wellington i'm elliot

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:30] kalin are we not doing

Stuart Wellington

[1:38:31] the bit from can we

[1:38:32] trust him you guys got

[1:38:35] really cool all of a

[1:38:36] sudden

[1:38:36] you ready yeah yeah

Dan McCoy

[1:38:47] fuck it fuck it let's do

[1:38:49] it live who cares yeah

[1:38:50] all right on this episode

[1:38:52] we discuss ella mckay

[1:38:54] boy do we ever guys what

Elliott Kalan

[1:38:56] was this movie about

[1:38:57] ah yeesh nooners

[1:39:00] actually you know i've got

[1:39:03] an idea i've got an idea

[1:39:04] hold on i got another

[1:39:04] on this episode we

[1:39:06] discuss ella mckay the

[1:39:08] movie that says this is

[1:39:10] the story about a young

[1:39:11] woman who hey what's

[1:39:12] that over there what

[1:39:13] maybe i'll talk about

[1:39:14] that no what's that

[1:39:15] thing hold on

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