FH Mini 101 - The Razzies Are Always Wrong

[0:00] Hey, floppers, this is Elliot talking.

[0:01] Before we get into this episode's classic

[0:03] Flop House shenanigans, I wanted to make sure

[0:06] you knew about some upcoming live events

[0:07] we are very excited about.

[0:08] On April 27th at 7 p.m. Eastern,

[0:11] we are premiering online the professionally shot,

[0:13] professionally edited online video

[0:15] of our Speed 2 live show.

[0:17] Dan, Stuart, and I will be there watching the show with you,

[0:20] text chatting with the audience

[0:22] throughout the entire thing.

[0:23] Can't make it on the 27th?

[0:25] The video will be available to watch at your leisure

[0:27] through May 19th.

[0:28] To see the trailer and buy tickets,

[0:30] go to stagepilot.com slash flop dash house

[0:34] dash speed dash two.

[0:36] If you wanna see us in person and you live in England,

[0:38] remember that on the 24th of May,

[0:40] we'll be in Oxford doing our first and second

[0:42] ever UK live shows in one night.

[0:44] 7 p.m., we're talking The Avengers.

[0:46] 9 p.m., we're talking Spice World.

[0:48] Two shows, one night.

[0:50] For tickets and more information,

[0:51] go to flophousepodcast.com slash events.

[0:54] Now that's enough live show hype from me.

[0:56] Let's get to that patented Flophouse silliness.

[0:59] Take it away, you peaches.

[1:01] Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse Mini

[1:08] for this week.

[1:09] I'm Dan McCoy.

[1:10] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:11] I'm Elliot Kalin, still.

[1:13] Now, what's a Flophouse Mini?

[1:14] Well, normally, as you know,

[1:16] the Flophouse is a podcast where we watch a bad movie

[1:19] and then we talk about it,

[1:20] but on every other week,

[1:21] we do these slightly shorter episodes

[1:25] that are more freeform.

[1:27] I'm in charge of this one,

[1:28] so let me take us out of the garage,

[1:32] back us out of the station by saying

[1:35] this is inspired, of course, by the Criterion channel.

[1:41] I say of course.

[1:41] I don't know why.

[1:42] Of course, yeah.

[1:43] I was gonna say, you said of course

[1:44] as if we knew what you were talking about.

[1:45] All the clues were there, Mr. Policeman.

[1:46] No, in fact, I've given you none of the clues

[1:49] at this point, because I just started talking.

[1:51] You know, like many people of-

[1:54] Like many people?

[1:55] That's what I thought he said, too.

[1:57] Like several people, most people of unlimited budgets.

[2:03] Like the movie, Several Samurai?

[2:08] Let me get the premise out, at least.

[2:10] Like several people in the world,

[2:13] like most of us who don't have unlimited money,

[2:17] we cycle through streaming channels.

[2:19] You know, like we'll take a little time off from one,

[2:21] try another one.

[2:22] I am glad that we are now back to having Criterion.

[2:28] Recently, they put a Razzies collection on.

[2:32] This got a lot of press.

[2:34] The Razzies.

[2:36] These are, of course, the Golden Raspberry Awards,

[2:39] we all know, was founded in blah, blah, blah.

[2:41] And it's-

[2:43] Underwater?

[2:44] It was made to, you know, make fun of the worst

[2:49] in Hollywood filmmaking.

[2:51] It's an excuse for a press release.

[2:53] I don't know.

[2:53] It's publicity for itself, essentially.

[2:56] I don't-

[2:57] Yeah, they don't, like, make money off of anything, right?

[2:59] I don't know what they do.

[3:00] Not quite sure what their deal is,

[3:01] but they award, you know,

[3:05] awards for cinematic non-excellence.

[3:08] And the Criterion channel, as many have noted,

[3:12] noticed that many of these Razzie movies are pretty good,

[3:16] or at least worthy of more fair assessment

[3:20] than their reputation would suggest.

[3:24] And so they highlighted a bunch of those.

[3:26] Now, a little sidetracking to personal history,

[3:30] one of the things that made me want to be friends

[3:33] with one Mr. Elliot Kalin, who I met-

[3:36] That's me!

[3:37] Mom, mom, he mentioned me on the broadcast.

[3:41] Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.

[3:43] I met Elliot, of course-

[3:44] One day he'll come, you know?

[3:46] Someday.

[3:47] Through our mutual friend, Eric Marceczak,

[3:48] and his various comedy theaters that he managed.

[3:54] When I first met Elliot, I'm like,

[3:55] who's this joke-a-minute guy in a polo shirt

[3:59] looking all skinny and attractive?

[4:02] I don't like his confidence.

[4:03] With his long, flowing hair.

[4:05] Yeah, yeah.

[4:07] No need for glasses ever.

[4:09] But one of the things that deterred me

[4:15] from that initial unfair reaction was-

[4:18] Okay, yeah, you saved it.

[4:20] I discovered Elliot's blog, The Oscars Are Always Wrong.

[4:26] And I knew that Elliot shared my love of classic movies,

[4:32] something that Elliot has only increased in over the years.

[4:35] And me, I've somehow found a way to waste my time

[4:39] with a lot of unworthy films.

[4:42] But anyway, the point is,

[4:44] he had a blog called The Oscars Are Always Wrong,

[4:46] talking about how, perhaps,

[4:48] the Oscars did not pick the best things

[4:51] to elevate every year.

[4:53] And so in that spirit,

[4:55] in that spirit, goddammit,

[4:57] and connected to this Criterion thing,

[5:00] I thought I would offer The Razzies Are Always Wrong.

[5:04] Oh.

[5:05] Uh.

[5:05] Uh?

[5:06] No.

[5:07] I get it, I get it.

[5:09] Okay, I'm thinking about what you're putting down.

[5:11] There are 11 Razzie movies

[5:12] on the Criterion channel right now,

[5:14] but we're only gonna talk about six of these

[5:16] because we don't have a lot of time.

[5:19] But I'm gonna go through some of these Razzie years

[5:22] for specific movies they have on there.

[5:24] Let's Raz them up.

[5:26] I'm gonna talk, and maybe we'll decide

[5:28] what the more deserving candidate is,

[5:31] because I'm gonna talk about

[5:32] the other Razzie nominees for that year,

[5:35] and I'm gonna throw in some ones I found from that year

[5:39] that I thought maybe are more worth being in the discussion.

[5:43] Oh, very in keeping with my old blog.

[5:45] I was going through the Oscars year by year,

[5:46] and I'd say which nominee I thought should've won,

[5:49] or what other movie should've won,

[5:51] and at this point, I'd like to go back and redo those

[5:54] because I've seen a lot more movies since then.

[5:56] Well, hopefully this will inspire you

[5:58] to take on yet another project.

[6:00] Yeah, because I've got the time

[6:01] to write a free blog about the Oscars now.

[6:04] Maybe someday your sons will do this.

[6:07] Yeah, they'll pick up my legacy, yeah.

[6:09] Now, of course.

[6:10] My Tron legacy.

[6:11] Mm-hmm.

[6:13] Which should've won Best Picture, you said.

[6:15] Sure, yeah.

[6:16] Certainly at the Tronsters.

[6:18] Or Glowiest Movie.

[6:20] Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

[6:24] Now, to undermine my premise right from the jump,

[6:28] one of the key problems with this is, of course,

[6:30] one of the key problems with the Razzies themselves,

[6:33] which is the what are we doing here question,

[6:36] because if it's- Yeah, why?

[6:37] Well, no, if the goal is to pick

[6:40] the worst movie of the year in the truest sense,

[6:44] then none of the movies nominated for the Razzies

[6:46] should be in the conversation.

[6:47] These are all glossy Hollywood films

[6:50] with at least some understanding of narrative.

[6:52] You would probably be shitting on something

[6:56] that someone made somewhere worth no money,

[6:58] and why would you do that?

[6:59] So maybe it's not that.

[7:02] Is it worst Hollywood film?

[7:04] But also, is it worst movie, genuinely worst movie,

[7:08] or is it a fun bad movie?

[7:11] Because I feel like sometimes the Razzies are like,

[7:14] what's this?

[7:15] And if that's what it is, I can respect it a bit,

[7:20] because it's like, yeah, let's look at this silly movie.

[7:23] Except they'll often, as I'm sure you're gonna get to,

[7:26] they'll often pick an artistically done movie

[7:29] and say this is bad because it doesn't fit,

[7:32] I guess, what a normal movie should be.

[7:34] Right, and that is the fundamental problem with them.

[7:38] I never get the sense that people who do the Razzies

[7:43] like or understand or know about movies,

[7:45] which I'm sure is unfair on my part.

[7:47] But there's times when they're like, this is not,

[7:50] it's a little bit like the guy in Cat Person

[7:53] who's like, yeah, I love movies,

[7:54] I love Empire Strikes Back.

[7:57] There's more than one kind of movie.

[7:58] I don't think you're wrong to say that.

[8:00] I think that it seems to me that often the Razzies are like,

[8:04] what movie got a lot of bad press this year?

[8:07] Yes, yeah, but it's kind of like the Golden Globes too

[8:09] where people are like, oh, it won a Golden Globe

[8:11] and I'm like, who votes for that?

[8:13] Like, who decides these?

[8:15] So let's start off in 1988,

[8:20] a little movie that inspired a song to bedevil Elliot,

[8:24] Cocktail.

[8:25] Cocktail won the Worst Picture Razzie in 88 over-

[8:29] It certainly is the worst song.

[8:31] The other nominees, Candy Shack 2.

[8:34] Okay.

[8:36] Rambo 3.

[8:39] Debatable.

[8:40] Mack and Me.

[8:42] Okay.

[8:43] Hot to Trot.

[8:45] And now I'm gonna toss in my additions.

[8:48] And I gotta say, I'm starting with 88

[8:51] because like, honestly, all of the Razzie movies

[8:55] aren't that bad.

[8:57] And there weren't like that,

[8:58] like there were some dumb other movies from that year,

[9:01] but nothing that I thought was like,

[9:02] oh, we gotta hold this up for ridicule or anything.

[9:06] So this is not a year where you feel like

[9:07] they were totally off the mark.

[9:10] Perhaps, perhaps.

[9:11] Because I mean, I will say Cocktail,

[9:12] it seems like a weirdly bankrupt idea for a movie.

[9:17] So the other ones I wanted to toss in,

[9:19] this movie's fun, but maybe I just wanna shine a light on it.

[9:24] Rotor, the low budget RoboCop and Terminator mashup

[9:28] with the stress janitor robot that Elliot loves.

[9:31] So here's the thing, I recently watched that movie again.

[9:33] I was a guest at a science fiction convention in Florida

[9:36] and we did a thing where we were riffing over Rotor,

[9:38] me and some of the other people there.

[9:39] And I find that movie, it's so bad,

[9:43] I find it so entertaining.

[9:44] I enjoy it so much.

[9:45] But I always remember that robot as a janitor,

[9:47] he's a security guard, actually.

[9:49] I always remember it wrong,

[9:50] but he is the same character I remember.

[9:52] But that movie, everyone else was like,

[9:54] oh, oh, oh, I can't believe we gotta sit through this.

[9:57] And meanwhile, I was like, I'm loving it.

[10:00] This is the fourth time I've seen this movie and I'm enjoying it more and more every time.

[10:03] Yeah.

[10:04] Yeah.

[10:05] The one other one I wanted to toss in here is High Spirits, the Neil Jordan comedy that

[10:09] squanders Peter O'Toole by putting him opposite Steve Guttenberg.

[10:13] So...

[10:14] Man, that was definitely a movie I rented as a kid.

[10:18] Yeah.

[10:19] At the time, I was eight years old, so I wasn't necessarily a bastion of good taste.

[10:24] That was...

[10:25] I've never...

[10:26] That's not true.

[10:27] I've seen High Spirits.

[10:28] I've never really been able to get it to stick in my memory because when I was a kid, I remember

[10:32] asking another kid, and I don't remember who it was, another kid at school, about that

[10:35] movie High Spirits because he said he had seen it and he goes, oh yeah, it's super violent.

[10:39] It starts off and this woman, this guy like stabs her in the vagina and I was like, what

[10:44] is this movie?

[10:45] I'm not going to watch this.

[10:46] And then years later, saw it and I was like, nothing like this happens.

[10:49] This is a lighthearted comedy.

[10:50] To this day, I'm like, what was your kid thinking about?

[10:53] I think that kid is remembering the animated movie Wicked City.

[11:00] So now I've associated this movie with that scene, even though it doesn't exist in my

[11:03] head.

[11:04] Yeah.

[11:05] So this is a tough one here because like...

[11:08] 88 is a tough year.

[11:10] If we were going to go into what the iconic bad movie from that year is, it's of course

[11:15] Mac and Me.

[11:16] Yes.

[11:17] I would say.

[11:18] That's one of the longest lived, I think.

[11:20] Yeah.

[11:21] It's the movie that like I would have the most difficulty watching.

[11:23] I think it might be Caddyshack 2, a nearly jokeless film.

[11:29] Now I don't remember.

[11:30] I saw Hot to Trot so many times as a kid and I have not watched it since then.

[11:33] Caddyshack 2, is that Jackie Gleason who plays?

[11:36] Yes.

[11:37] Jackie Gleason is playing the Rodney Dangerfield type role.

[11:39] Yeah.

[11:40] Now Hot to Trot, this is of course...

[11:41] Oh no, not Jackie.

[11:42] I'm sorry.

[11:43] Jackie Mason.

[11:46] Sorry.

[11:47] Yeah.

[11:48] Yeah.

[11:49] Hot to Trot is a racehorse comedy?

[11:51] Yeah.

[11:52] It's a racehorse that has...

[11:53] I forget if the horse can talk because it's the reincarnation of a person or horses can

[11:58] just talk.

[11:59] Yeah.

[12:00] I don't remember.

[12:01] Bobcat Goldthwait is the only...

[12:02] That horse definitely does cocaine or something.

[12:03] I think so.

[12:04] It throws a party and there's a part where someone gets reincarnated.

[12:07] I think the horse's dad maybe gets reincarnated as a fly or maybe it's Bobcat Goldthwait's

[12:11] dad gets reincarnated as a fly.

[12:13] Anyway, I've saw it so many times as a kid and I barely remember the plot of it.

[12:16] Here's a question I have for you.

[12:17] Is Annie Potts in it or am I transposing her from Who's Harry Crumb?

[12:21] Or you think it's called Hot to Potts?

[12:25] Hot to Trot with Annie Potts?

[12:26] I don't think she's in it.

[12:28] No, Virginia Madsen is in it though.

[12:29] I'm looking up the cast now.

[12:31] Oh, she brings a little bit of credibility.

[12:33] Sure.

[12:34] A little bit of heat for your tree.

[12:38] Yeah.

[12:39] Please don't ever say that.

[12:40] Don't ever do that again.

[12:44] So I don't know.

[12:45] What do we say for this?

[12:47] Man, I would say Caddyshack 2 is the worst of those.

[12:51] I mean, Cocktail is very dumb and as a bartender, I find it offensive.

[12:57] I mean, Mac and Me is a very bad movie, but it is a fun one to watch as a bad movie.

[13:04] I'm going to say, I don't know, having very little memory of it, I might put Hot to Trot

[13:09] on there just because there's part of me that's like, this was a movie that existed where

[13:13] Bobcat Goldswaid is like a stockbroker with a talking horse.

[13:16] On some level, I feel like this process is Dan winnowing down what movies we're going

[13:20] to do for live shows.

[13:21] Yeah.

[13:22] And I think, yeah, you know what, probably Caddyshack 2.

[13:25] Yeah.

[13:26] Going up next, we got, in the year 1995, I was 15 years old.

[13:32] So full of life and hope.

[13:35] I was 17, which meant I was of age to see this film, Showgirls, won the whatever, you

[13:45] know, the Razzie for Worst Picture, a film that has been reclaimed by many.

[13:51] Yeah, the Razzies are straight tripping, boo, if you were to ask me.

[13:55] I think that is a movie that is not fully successful at what it's trying to do, but

[13:58] people understand what it's trying to do now and they didn't before.

[14:04] Other films that were nominated by the Razzies, we got Congo, which I think is a perfectly

[14:10] enjoyable film.

[14:11] It's serviceable.

[14:12] Yeah.

[14:13] And certainly the episode of AP Bio where the prom theme or whatever is Congo, is the

[14:19] movie Congo, almost makes the movie worth it.

[14:22] We have It's Pat, a film that looks only worse as the years go by.

[14:28] Yeah.

[14:29] Yeah.

[14:30] It's thrown into a pit disowned by the Pat themselves, thrown into a pit, but not thrown

[14:37] into a pat.

[14:39] No.

[14:41] The Scarlet Letter, of course, covered on this podcast.

[14:44] Waterworld covered on this podcast.

[14:46] And so those are the ones that were nominated.

[14:49] I've added to this Theodore Rex, the Whoopi Goldberg, still haven't seen it, but it looks

[14:55] great.

[14:56] I know.

[14:57] Now was Theodore Rex, was it released in theaters or was it a video only release?

[15:01] That's a good question.

[15:02] That might affect its eligibility.

[15:03] Yeah.

[15:04] I mean, it premiered at Cannes, right?

[15:05] And how long was the standing ovation?

[15:08] 17 minutes.

[15:09] 17 minutes.

[15:10] Whoa.

[15:11] Only 17 minutes.

[15:12] We should do Theodore Rex at some point.

[15:13] The movie that a judge made Whoopi Goldberg make because he ruled that she was breaking

[15:19] her contract for refusing to make it.

[15:21] Yeah.

[15:22] We've referenced it so many times.

[15:24] And also, like, I've also never seen it.

[15:26] I definitely feel like Dan is self-watching the flop TV season two.

[15:33] Could be.

[15:36] What else do we have that I put down here?

[15:38] We got Fair Game, the combined acting power of Billy Baldwin and Cindy Crawford.

[15:44] Right.

[15:45] Yeah.

[15:46] I saw that.

[15:47] Jury duty.

[15:48] I certainly saw it.

[15:49] There was one or two scenes of that that I saw more than once.

[15:53] Jury duty featuring some of the finest work by the weasel.

[15:57] I feel like I remember that one the least well of his movies.

[16:05] There's the Jerky Boys movie.

[16:07] That is a movie I saw in the theaters, and I have so little memory of it that I think

[16:12] we might have showed up during the wrong time, seen the very end of it and then left.

[16:19] It's hard for me to believe that movie exists.

[16:20] And I saw it.

[16:21] Anyway.

[16:22] Yeah.

[16:23] It's it's it's so bizarre.

[16:24] Like, why can't we make a movie out of prank calls?

[16:28] Uh, well, that one's on the Criterion channel, right?

[16:33] Yeah.

[16:34] We've got the Mangler where Toby Hooper tries to make Stephen King's industrial clothes

[16:41] dryer.

[16:42] Definitely feel like I've watched that scary.

[16:46] So what do you think, guys?

[16:47] What do you think about this?

[16:49] I've given you a lot to chew on.

[16:51] Too much.

[16:52] I've already forgotten some of them.

[16:53] I haven't watched the Jerky Boys movie, but I'm terrified of it.

[16:57] I don't know if I can watch it.

[16:59] That's I that's I that would be the pick for me, for sure.

[17:02] For I mean, the fact they have Waterworld on there, which is a serviceable science fiction

[17:06] kind of action movie, that they have Congo, which is a serviceable science fiction action

[17:10] movie like the letter as a hot old man, very fun in Congo and and Tim Curry.

[17:16] I mean, Tim Curry, not Tim Curry is always fun.

[17:18] Yeah.

[17:20] And a cameo from Bruce Campbell.

[17:21] Yeah.

[17:22] Yeah.

[17:23] So but but yeah, the Jerky Boys, the fact that it's also it's such an artifact of a

[17:26] worst time when the Jerky Boys were famous and very successful and were like, these boys

[17:33] are jerks.

[17:34] Let's make them famous.

[17:35] And you listen to those.

[17:36] I remember I don't know why I went to see the movie because I remember not being a fan

[17:39] of theirs and having a friend who had one of their CDs and listening to it and they're

[17:42] just like, hey, sizzle chest.

[17:43] And I'm like, what does this even mean?

[17:45] Like, I don't understand.

[17:46] I don't get what the joke is here.

[17:50] You know, these just these pranks aren't properly constructed.

[17:55] Jerky Boys seems like an appropriate name to me, says Ellie.

[17:59] This lacks the subtlety of cranky anchors and cranky didn't exist yet.

[18:04] I guess they refined it.

[18:05] You know.

[18:06] Yeah.

[18:07] They they.

[18:08] Yeah.

[18:09] I would say, wait, of that list, I think the one I would most likely want to watch is show

[18:19] girls.

[18:20] I feel like show girls the most is my favorite of the list.

[18:23] Yes.

[18:24] But there's a few I haven't seen.

[18:27] And I think the one that I haven't seen that I'm most nervous about, of course, is jerky

[18:31] boys.

[18:32] Well, it's Pat.

[18:33] I'm pretty nervous.

[18:34] Oh, yeah.

[18:35] I think those I think those probably tie for I feel like I feel like that one is like desire.

[18:43] We couldn't even do that.

[18:45] No, we wouldn't.

[18:46] Why would we want to?

[18:47] Yeah.

[18:48] OK, well, let's move on to two thousand three.

[18:53] You couldn't make a podcast on this nowadays.

[18:56] Nowadays, you couldn't make a terrible, unfunny movie about this.

[19:01] Let's move on to two thousand three.

[19:06] The final year closing out the first half of this mini film that we covered in one of

[19:11] our recent live shows.

[19:13] It was our San Francisco Sketch Fest show.

[19:16] We released it for scheduling reasons on a normally many weeks.

[19:20] So if you missed it, go back and check it out.

[19:23] This is, of course, really the film that ended Martin Bress directing career and put a lot

[19:30] of road bumps in a few other people's acting careers.

[19:34] But Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck got back together again eventually, even though that

[19:38] wrecked their relationship for a little bit.

[19:42] Or did it start their relationship?

[19:43] I think it started their relationship.

[19:45] I would probably say on a bad note.

[19:47] Yeah, it was sort of like, you know, at the end of Speed, when like Sandra Bullock's like,

[19:54] you know, relationships on this pressure don't work out and it didn't.

[19:58] The cat in the hat.

[20:00] was also nominated that year.

[20:01] Rough, that's a rough one, yeah.

[20:03] Charlie's Angels, Full Throttle,

[20:05] I think that that's a movie that

[20:06] insures itself against fatigue.

[20:09] That's the bad guy's Justin Theroux,

[20:11] right?

[20:12] Yeah, we got from Justin.

[20:14] It's actually Henry David Theroux,

[20:15] is the bad guy in that one.

[20:17] Cool.

[20:17] Yeah, yeah.

[20:19] Welcome to Walden Pond,

[20:21] my utopian society.

[20:23] Yeah.

[20:24] Yeah.

[20:25] Mm-hm.

[20:26] From Justin.

[20:28] From Justin to Kelly.

[20:29] He got his trademark cackle down.

[20:30] Yeah, he fucking killed it.

[20:31] Yeah, he got tired of it.

[20:33] People would be like, Theroux,

[20:33] do the cackle.

[20:34] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[20:35] No, really do it.

[20:36] Emerson would be like, I love it.

[20:38] I love that cackle.

[20:39] I do see it was something like,

[20:40] from Justin to Kelly,

[20:41] is like a, there's a lot of these

[20:44] like, very of the time.

[20:47] Yes. Sort of movie.

[20:48] I'm assuming the year that

[20:50] Cool as Ice came out,

[20:51] that was nominated or won.

[20:53] Probably, they do dogpile and

[20:56] piggyback onto whatever is,

[20:58] like Dan said earlier,

[20:59] the movie that gets

[21:00] razzed the most that year.

[21:01] Did we do from Justin to Kelly?

[21:02] We did from Justin to Kelly.

[21:04] The movie that came out to

[21:07] capitalize on American Idol.

[21:09] Kelly's still a big star.

[21:11] Yeah.

[21:11] Yeah, I mean, that film is pretty

[21:15] bad.

[21:15] It is bad.

[21:16] Did I watch it, though?

[21:18] It's bad in the way.

[21:20] Check the archives.

[21:21] What do you want from me?

[21:23] That that movie's bad in the way

[21:24] that a million teen movies are.

[21:27] I don't remember anything

[21:28] particularly- Yeah.

[21:29] Disgustingly offensive or

[21:30] horrendous about it.

[21:31] It was like not another teen movie.

[21:33] Meet the Spartans, I guess.

[21:37] Yeah, I think the problem was

[21:39] neither of them were particularly

[21:41] good actors and the movie's plot

[21:43] was like, even thinner than

[21:45] the usual version of like- It's

[21:47] even thinner than the plot in

[21:49] the movie, Thinner.

[21:50] Yeah, the last other nominee,

[21:53] another time capsule,

[21:55] The Real Cancun.

[21:56] Wow.

[21:57] Wow.

[21:58] I haven't thought about that movie

[21:59] in a long time.

[22:00] I've never seen that.

[22:00] There's no way that's streamable.

[22:02] Right?

[22:02] Like there's no universe where you

[22:04] could stream that somewhere.

[22:06] If you were not alive at the time

[22:07] or don't remember, that was,

[22:09] reality programming was ascendant.

[22:11] And this was like,

[22:12] instead of a documentary,

[22:13] this was more of a reality show

[22:15] movie.

[22:16] They were like, can we do for

[22:17] movies what reality shows have done

[22:19] for TV?

[22:20] Yeah, and it turned out they

[22:21] couldn't, which was good for

[22:22] everyone.

[22:24] And that was one of those ones

[22:25] where it was like,

[22:26] they were kind of promising.

[22:27] I never saw it, but I felt like

[22:29] the ad campaign was like,

[22:30] you are going to see spring breakers

[22:33] having sex a lot in this movie.

[22:34] And I have to assume it did not

[22:36] fulfill that promise.

[22:38] Yeah, I mean, well, I mean,

[22:39] I don't think there was like,

[22:41] penetration, is that what you're

[22:43] looking for?

[22:44] I can try to- Yeah, yeah,

[22:45] that's what I like to hear.

[22:46] That's certainly what I like to

[22:47] know. That's not really what I'm

[22:47] looking for.

[22:48] I'm just saying that it was not,

[22:49] they were not, the movie was not

[22:51] positioning itself as a,

[22:52] as a documentary, you know?

[22:54] No, no, it was definitely

[22:56] Salacious.

[22:57] Salacious Crumb, the director.

[23:00] I'm going to toss in a few other

[23:01] options.

[23:02] Salacious Crumb and

[23:03] Henry David Thoreau,

[23:04] they just hang out tackling

[23:05] together.

[23:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

[23:09] We also have from that year,

[23:12] House of the Dead, Uwe Boll,

[23:14] of course.

[23:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[23:16] That one, Dumb and Dumber.

[23:18] House of the Dead that famously

[23:20] does not feature a house, I think.

[23:22] No, no, it's an island,

[23:23] I believe, of the dead.

[23:25] Well, isn't just an island a house

[23:26] for trees?

[23:26] I guess you're right, yeah.

[23:28] And isn't a tree just a house for

[23:30] birds?

[23:31] Mm-hm, exactly, and

[23:32] a bird is just a house for

[23:33] whatever's inside a bird,

[23:34] bones, I guess.

[23:36] Yep, bird bones.

[23:38] We got Dumb and Dumberer,

[23:40] when Harry met Lloyd.

[23:41] Of course, the film that features

[23:43] neither of the stars of Dumb and

[23:45] Dumber.

[23:45] Yeah, it's a prequel.

[23:47] None of the interest.

[23:49] And of course, Boat Trip,

[23:50] the gay panic comedy.

[23:52] Roger Moore's in that, yeah.

[23:54] Roger Moore,

[23:55] Roger Moore's kind of the only

[23:57] thing that makes me-

[23:58] Classes it up.

[23:58] That I think I would enjoy in Boat

[24:00] Trip were I ever to watch Boat

[24:01] Trip, which I have not done.

[24:04] So I gotta say, out of these,

[24:06] I have avoided watching Boat Trip

[24:09] and The Cat in the Hat for years.

[24:13] Yeah.

[24:14] I think they're the ones I,

[24:15] I mean, maybe I'm just making

[24:17] assumptions because I have not

[24:18] but the ones I feel like have

[24:21] the most-

[24:22] Notice that Dan didn't say that he

[24:24] has not watched The Real Cancun.

[24:25] I have not seen The Real Cancun,

[24:29] but at least The Real Can,

[24:31] yeah, it's hard to say.

[24:32] The Real Cancun, I assume,

[24:36] delivers on some of what it's

[24:38] trying to promise me.

[24:39] Yeah. So at least it succeeds on

[24:42] its own level, I guess.

[24:44] Yeah, we can hypothesize that

[24:46] again, in the absence of data.

[24:50] We can only theorize.

[24:51] Boat Trip delivers on being

[24:53] a boat trip.

[24:54] I will say Gigli was both weirder

[24:59] than, it was bad in ways that I

[25:00] wasn't expecting it to be, but

[25:03] better in ways that I wasn't

[25:04] expecting it to be too.

[25:07] Gigli was tough in that it's not

[25:09] good, and it's too long, and

[25:11] the characters are not likable,

[25:12] and the story doesn't always make

[25:14] sense, and it's offensive.

[25:16] But it is offensive in trying to do

[25:18] something progressive and failing.

[25:21] You know, Gigli is not good, but

[25:23] yeah, it has good intentions for

[25:25] much of the time, I guess, but

[25:27] those good intentions come out in

[25:29] bad ways.

[25:30] Mm-hm, yeah.

[25:31] Stuart moans quietly.

[25:33] Yeah, Marge Simpsoning over here.

[25:34] Yeah, so let's say Boat Trip to

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[31:41] Not the whole country.

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[31:43] Okay.

[31:43] Oxford, England will be at Oxford Town Hall.

[31:46] We'll be at Oxford Town Hall.

[31:48] I almost said Oxford Town Hall, which is a different place that we will not be.

[31:51] Uh, Oxford Town Hall.

[31:53] We might take a look at the hole while we're there.

[31:55] The famous Oxford hole.

[31:56] That's true.

[31:56] Possibly, uh, Oxford Town Hall shillings into it.

[32:00] Sure.

[32:01] We'll be at Oxford Town Hall.

[32:02] I'd get a wish Oxford Town Hall on May 24th.

[32:05] That's right.

[32:05] May 24th.

[32:05] We're doing two shows in one night at Oxford Town Hall.

[32:08] Uh, we're at 7.

[32:09] PM.

[32:09] We're doing the Avengers at 9.

[32:11] PM.

[32:11] Spice world.

[32:12] Now that's the Avengers based on the British TV show.

[32:14] Uh, just another example of Americans coming in and ruining a British thing.

[32:18] Uh, just like we did with what Dr.

[32:20] Who and a number of other, uh, properties.

[32:23] And 9.

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[32:23] We're talking about spice world, the official movie of England.

[32:27] Uh, can't wait to talk about it.

[32:29] Just go to flop house podcast.com slash events, and then go to the Oxford

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[32:37] Go to that look up link and then follow and then follow it.

[32:42] And then follow the link to defeat to defeat Gannon and get the Triforce.

[32:46] Go to flop house podcast.com slash events.

[32:49] Go to our flocked flop house in Oxford, England.

[32:52] Uh, entry, and then you'll find links to the shows there.

[32:55] Don't click on the buttons that say get tickets for technical reasons.

[32:58] Those just lead you back to the same page.

[33:01] They are already on a policy.

[33:03] So go, go, go.

[33:04] It's a little bit of a game.

[33:06] Yeah.

[33:06] And for some reason, the URL for it to go straight to it is flop house

[33:09] podcast.com slash events, slash the dash flop dash house dash in dash

[33:13] Oxford dash England dash late dash show.

[33:16] So just, you know, it's easiest to go to flop house podcast.com slash events.

[33:20] Click on the Oxford England entry and you'll find links.

[33:23] They are for both the, you know, and the 9 p.m.

[33:25] shows, you know, why did that?

[33:27] So, Hey, if there's anyone out there who wants to be a webmaster for the flop,

[33:32] I was getting touched with me because, uh, we had a wonderful person design

[33:37] our website, but they couldn't stay on as a web master for their own reasons.

[33:41] And so I'm working with the template that has been set long ago and I couldn't.

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[33:54] place without confusing the system.

[33:57] And so I put the links in separately.

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[36:20] And now, Dan, why don't we get back to a resin it up on the

[36:23] razzle with some resi's.

[36:25] Razzle dazzle with the old razzle master, Dan the Dazzle McCoy.

[36:32] I want Dan to be a Batman villain now called the Razzle Dazzler.

[36:35] Yeah, that's we're writing the name of the episode as we speak.

[36:38] So what year would take us back in time, Dan?

[36:41] Where are we?

[36:41] Yeah, we're going to take we're going to hop in the old cinematic

[36:45] the Dazzler and go back in time.

[36:47] Metaphorically going to go back in time, but not literally.

[36:52] Yeah.

[36:53] So 2001 Space Odyssey.

[36:57] Mm hmm.

[36:58] The film that won that year was Freddie Got Fingered, starring Tom

[37:04] Green and a little bit of a torn, had a little bit of a cultural

[37:07] reevaluation, right?

[37:08] There's some, uh, I, you know what?

[37:11] I mean, the pendulum swings on that one pretty fast.

[37:15] I wouldn't call myself a fan per se, but I respect it.

[37:18] It's a film that goes all out in its vision of assaultive comedy.

[37:23] Um, what else we got that year that was nominated?

[37:26] We have driven, uh, the Stallone racing film.

[37:31] Oh, right.

[37:32] He's a race car driver.

[37:32] Yeah.

[37:33] Uh, glitter, um, was that what you're used to?

[37:37] Mariah Carey, Mariah Carey.

[37:39] Sorry.

[37:39] Um, Pearl Harbor, of course, Michael Bay's, uh, no, we didn't actually do

[37:46] this or the other one.

[37:47] We did battleship.

[37:48] Uh, battleship, a very different movie from Pearl Harbor, but it's, I guess

[37:52] all those old Pearl Harbor survivors join at the end, right.

[37:55] And help them save the day.

[37:56] Yeah.

[37:57] That's why I thought that.

[37:58] Yeah.

[37:58] And of course, uh, 3000 miles to Graceland.

[38:02] And here's, here's a, here's a few additions courtesy of yours truly.

[38:09] Uh, we could also add to that Corky Romano when America collectively

[38:13] said, no, thank you to Chris Kattan as a leading man, uh, Crocodile

[38:18] Dundee in Los Angeles, a film with no jokes in it, uh, third one.

[38:25] Yes, it is.

[38:25] It must be one that the movies it's no purpose.

[38:29] It's a kitchen sink drama, right?

[38:30] About life on the streets.

[38:31] Well, it's like the movies became progressively more just action

[38:35] movies starring Crocodile Dundee.

[38:37] Uh, that's the character's name.

[38:40] Not, uh, of course, Paul Hogan's the actor.

[38:43] Paul Hogan.

[38:43] Yeah.

[38:44] Uh, I'm going to toss in Tom Katz because fuck that shit.

[38:49] If the phrase really haven't thought about it, off with that shit, if the

[38:54] phrase Jerry O'Connell and Shannon Elizabeth in a sex comedy doesn't

[38:58] immediately date this to 2001, I don't know what else might.

[39:03] Uh, and of course my old, uh, my old roommate, who's a mutual friend of Dan

[39:07] of mine, uh, she, when she moved in, I think that was like one of two DVDs.

[39:12] She, uh, she had Tom Katz.

[39:16] Yes.

[39:16] Why?

[39:18] Ask her text right now.

[39:21] Um, and of course, lastly, I'm tossing in final fantasy, the spirits

[39:26] within the film, so boring.

[39:27] I apologize to my ex-wife for taking her to it.

[39:31] So that's the opposite of what happened when I took, when I was dating my now

[39:34] wife and I was going to go see Superman returns and it was a very hot day.

[39:39] And she was like, Oh, I'm going to see this movie.

[39:40] The movie, she goes, it's hot out.

[39:42] Why don't I go with you?

[39:42] It'll be air conditioned there.

[39:43] And I'm like, well, you're not going to enjoy it.

[39:45] I don't even know if I'm going to, it will be very, I don't, I

[39:48] think you're gonna be bored.

[39:48] And she's like, I'll just go.

[39:50] And I think, and then after she was like, you were right.

[39:51] That was very boring.

[39:52] So I feel like it's very, but it didn't feature Elliot's favorite actor.

[39:57] Oh yeah.

[39:58] Love him.

[39:58] Can't wait for his return.

[40:00] Yeah, this one's tough only because I feel like again, the two most sort of promising

[40:09] contenders for me for film that I personally would dislike the most I have not seen because

[40:17] my, you know, I have to protect myself a certain amount even though I've made a life of watching

[40:23] bad movies.

[40:24] I have my limits and my limits are not watching either Corky Romano or Tonka.

[40:30] That's the right choice.

[40:31] I feel like I feel like a Stewart said before though, you are curating flop TV season two

[40:35] as we speak.

[40:36] I feel like it too, yeah.

[40:39] I haven't seen some of these.

[40:41] I feel like, I don't know, Pearl Harbor.

[40:46] I feel like Pearl Harbor is worthy of some critique because it's like it's this big budget

[40:51] thing that's a mess and shitty.

[40:53] Well certainly if the Razzies were, I think what their ideal version would be, which is

[40:57] like really like, okay, here are the big movies of the year.

[41:03] Which one of these failed, you know, Pearl Harbor would certainly be a movie that, yeah,

[41:09] it's just, it's the dumbest, like wrong, glossy version of history.

[41:17] It also it shows you how much the Razzies just lean into things that have celebrities

[41:20] in them.

[41:21] Driven is a pretty nothing movie for the most part, but I guess because it has Stallone

[41:26] in it and like 3000 Miles to Graceland is perfectly serviceable, you know, but it has

[41:31] big stars in it.

[41:32] And it does open with that really cool CGI scorpion fight.

[41:36] Yeah, they saw the wild bunch.

[41:39] They're like, we don't need real things, real bugs fighting.

[41:42] We use CGI.

[41:45] Wild bunch and ants, same movie.

[41:50] But yeah, it's hard to, I mean, the thing is also, I also have not seen Tomcats or Corky

[41:55] Romano and I'm worried that I am unfairly-

[41:57] I'm going to say Tomcats fucking sucks.

[42:00] Have you seen it?

[42:01] I guess your roommate owned the DVD, yeah.

[42:03] There was definitely a night, I mean, we're in our 20s.

[42:06] We had a limited DVD collection.

[42:10] We all got really fucking high and I think we watched Tomcats and then former host of

[42:16] the Flop House, Simon Fisher, got really sick because he can't handle weed and barfed.

[42:20] That's what happened.

[42:21] That's the story.

[42:22] And he's not going to listen to this.

[42:23] So he can't say I'm wrong.

[42:24] Yeah.

[42:25] I also can't handle Tomcats.

[42:26] Yeah, that could have been it, actually.

[42:27] That would make actually more sense.

[42:28] Maybe the Tomcats, that's the problem.

[42:29] Yeah.

[42:30] Let us, you know, go ahead another year to 2002.

[42:36] Oh, man, just one year swept away.

[42:40] Guy Ritchie's collaboration with Madonna is then why I feel like he makes a movie three

[42:48] movies a year.

[42:49] I mean, I think it stalled it out temporarily for a little bit, yeah.

[42:53] That was what took the prize.

[42:55] Also nominated, we've got The Adventures of Pluto Nash.

[43:00] Very bad and expensive.

[43:02] Yes.

[43:03] Crossroads, the Britney Spears movie, pop star movie, Pinocchio.

[43:09] This is the Benini version.

[43:11] And Star Wars Episode Two, Attack of the Clones, it's a little indie film called Star Wars

[43:17] Episode Two.

[43:18] Around the Jedi perimeter crate.

[43:21] That's all I can say.

[43:22] I mean, to be honest, Star Wars Episode Two is an indie film.

[43:25] Yeah.

[43:26] I mean, once Empire starts, I think Lucas was funding all those himself.

[43:30] I guess so.

[43:31] I've got some additions here.

[43:34] Fear.com.

[43:36] Imagine how scary it would be to log on to fear.com.

[43:38] That one's a bad one.

[43:42] I'm not a fan of fear.com.

[43:44] Ballistic, X vs.

[43:45] Sever.

[43:46] Of course, we covered that on the last season of BlockTV.

[43:47] That was pretty fantastic.

[43:48] Yeah.

[43:49] Can't trap us into watching that in season two.

[43:51] We watched it in season one.

[43:52] A movie we watched entirely because of how much we referenced the name.

[43:56] And I think it was my least favorite of the season.

[43:59] That is the most, I mean, the thing is, what makes a bad movie?

[44:04] If something is memorably bad or if it is nothingly bad, because that's the thing with

[44:07] X vs.

[44:08] Sever.

[44:09] I was like, this movie is just, it's like there's nothing there, like there's nothing

[44:11] in it.

[44:12] It's just a.

[44:13] I do love that Ellie just dropped a like, like a gear metal Toro movie monologue there.

[44:19] What is a bad movie?

[44:22] Is it the ghost of a feeling?

[44:24] Allow me to open my cabinet of curiosities and see what we have.

[44:29] I'm sorry.

[44:31] This is my wonder.

[44:32] Emporium.

[44:33] I'm borrowing it from Mr. Magorium.

[44:35] Yeah.

[44:36] Uh, we also have Juana man.

[44:39] Uh, well, that's going to get my vote, I think.

[44:42] Man dresses like a woman to get into women's basketball comedy.

[44:45] That is offensive in multiple ways.

[44:47] You can't make a comedy like that anymore.

[44:50] We got, I feel like there are, I feel like there are many big name comedians who are

[44:53] essentially making that comedy.

[44:54] Yes.

[44:55] Right.

[44:56] All the time.

[44:57] And Netflix is like, yes, please.

[44:58] We love it.

[44:59] Yum, yum, yum.

[45:00] The guys, apparently not turtley enough to get into the golden raspberry club.

[45:04] Oh, was that the comment that they said, I still haven't seen it.

[45:07] I want to see that shit.

[45:08] Let's put it on season two possibility.

[45:11] Yeah.

[45:12] The hot chick.

[45:14] Another probably insensitive, cross-dressing comedy with Rob Schneider in it.

[45:19] I'm sure he handled it sensitively.

[45:22] Uh, and sorority boys.

[45:25] What the hell is with this year?

[45:26] What was going on that year?

[45:28] What was going on?

[45:29] You know what?

[45:30] I mean, I took, what year is this?

[45:33] 2002.

[45:34] Yeah.

[45:35] I mean, to be honest, it's like, I'm saying this, this is not a good thing.

[45:39] This is wrong.

[45:41] But I feel like at a time when the nineties was, uh, at least my experience growing up

[45:46] in absorbing that culture.

[45:48] So much of it was people being forced to start recognizing, uh, the LGB community, at least

[45:55] not yet the T community, but the LGB community as, as human beings that exist and have feelings.

[46:01] And so gender roles were changing and Hollywood reacted by making a bunch of shit that's real

[46:05] offensive and, and isn't good, but it feels like it, I understand why that, why that element

[46:10] is in the air, you know, and like, and like nine 11 guys, you know, blame the hot chick

[46:17] on nine 11.

[46:18] I'm all for it.

[46:19] Why not?

[46:20] Um, no, no, Dan, the, the, the hot chicks hands are not, don't say it was a hot chick.

[46:26] No, I think we have to bundle these three, uh, comedies that we can leave in the garbage

[46:32] and move on to a three-way Rezzy tie.

[46:37] Yeah.

[46:38] Uh, 1987 now going back again, 1987 gotta go back even further in time.

[46:46] Now this is one case, uh, for, uh, on the criterion channel.

[46:50] The film that they're featuring is not what one worst picture for the Rezzy's that year.

[46:55] I think they just wanted to feature this film because it has been reevaluated, reevaluated.

[47:00] That is of course, Ishtar, Elaine Mays, Ishtar, they also may have had it left over from their

[47:07] Elaine Mays series, not sold on Ishtar.

[47:12] I love the channel, but they do occasionally reshuffle the same movies into different collections

[47:17] and I'm like criterion channel, but I do love them.

[47:19] They're my favorite stream service.

[47:20] I also Stewart am not sold on Ishtar.

[47:22] I think it is not as bad as people say, but it is not as good as the people who like it

[47:26] say.

[47:27] Yeah.

[47:28] I, I also agree for more thoughts on Ishtar for a longer version that ends up in that

[47:32] conclusion.

[47:33] Listen to our Ishtar episode.

[47:34] Is Hodgman on that one?

[47:35] I think he is.

[47:36] I think he is.

[47:37] May have been.

[47:38] We've had a guest.

[47:39] I think it's, I think it's, I think he was on 1941.

[47:43] I think that's what you're thinking of 1941.

[47:45] Um, I mean, certainly not my favorite Isabella Johnny movie.

[47:50] There's certainly no way of finding out here.

[47:53] I'm going to Google Ishtar flop us to find out about our own show.

[47:59] I'm just going to watch over Dan's shoulders, he types, narrate it, and I'm going to watch

[48:04] over zoom and watch Stewart's face as he watches Dan type episode two 30.

[48:08] So now there's no listed, um, guests, but it was the last episode recorded altogether

[48:15] in my apartment.

[48:16] Oh wow.

[48:17] You moved Elliot.

[48:18] I think that maybe that's the special thing that you're remembering.

[48:20] Maybe that's it.

[48:21] And it's certainly my feelings on Ishtar.

[48:23] I had to leave that part of the country and go somewhere else after watching it.

[48:27] Well, uh, I think it's, it's Ishtar is mediocre, but yeah, but not, not a winner.

[48:32] The winner that year.

[48:33] This may be a rare case of the Razzies getting it right.

[48:36] We'll see Leonard part six, a laughless spy comedy starring a sex crime starring a monster.

[48:44] Yeah, sure.

[48:45] Uh, so that's a fun kind of monster like Dracula or Frankenstein.

[48:49] Yeah.

[48:50] Hmm.

[48:51] But, uh, Charlize Theron, the other films, um, nominated that year, jaws, the revenge,

[49:00] uh, where that's a fun, bad movie.

[49:02] We've done a live show about it.

[49:03] That's not available, but as a personal grudge against the Brody's, uh, who's that girl?

[49:10] Another Madonna.

[49:11] Never seen it.

[49:12] Oh, I've never seen it.

[49:13] It's okay.

[49:14] I don't know Madonna and Griffin done kind of doing an updated screwball.

[49:16] I actually don't mind it.

[49:18] Uh, tough guys don't dance a movie.

[49:21] That is a nutty.

[49:22] Yeah, that's, that's a, that's the movie that I went to my, I, when I was a teenager, my

[49:26] grandmother took me to the museum of modern art and they were, they had a series going

[49:30] on of films, uh, in their theater that were, uh, writers directing films and tough guys

[49:35] don't dance was the one they were showing that day.

[49:37] And my grandmother was like, well, let's go see it.

[49:38] Norman Mailer, let's go see it.

[49:39] And within 10 minutes she said, this is not for us and walked out.

[49:44] The movie and it is, it's a bonkers one.

[49:46] Yeah.

[49:47] It's an experience.

[49:48] I, you know, that's one that I think is if you're, if you have fun, just for bad movies,

[49:52] it's worth watching that one.

[49:53] It's worth at least just for the, Oh wow.

[49:54] Oh man.

[49:55] Oh no.

[49:56] That scene is where, where he's having trouble emoting and how.

[50:00] he's in. And I have the most editions for this year. This is 87. 87 is a banner year

[50:08] for Big Bad Movies. Listen to what I got here. We got Superman 4. John Cryer has Lex Luthor's

[50:17] nephew. My favorite of the series when I was a kid. We did a riff show on that in Chicago.

[50:24] Yeah, we did. Yeah. We've got Mannequin, a movie that gave me Audrey and Mai's karaoke

[50:33] duet of choice and de facto than wedding song. Nothing's going to stop us now, but still

[50:39] not good. Now, that wasn't the music you walked down the aisle, though, to which was the Twin

[50:44] Peaks theme. This is true. We did walk down the aisle to the Twin Peaks theme. A stirring

[50:49] tale of immortal love. Twin Peaks. Walk Like a Man. Howie Mandel is raised by Timberwolves

[50:58] and sniffs people's butts. I'm thinking of a different movie. What's the movie with?

[51:02] I'm thinking of Heart and Souls, which uses the song Walk Like a Man in it with Robert

[51:05] Denny Jr. Never mind. Munchies, a movie that is nearly unwatchable, even though it has

[51:11] little puppet monsters in it. Yeah. Yeah. We've got Disorderly's where the fat boys

[51:17] go and bring up some trouble. They said, what if the Three Stooges were the fat boys? And

[51:23] that's it. That's the whole movie. Nuki, Elliot's beloved Nuki, also covered on Flop TV. Rough.

[51:31] Again, I have come to reevaluate it since watching the Garbage Pail Kids movie again.

[51:35] Well, you know what else was released in 87? The Garbage Pail Kids movie just did here

[51:41] in Brooklyn. It'll show up on the main feed eventually. They don't make years like they

[51:45] used to. Wow. Eighty seven. What? Yeah, surely. The worst year in cinema. Yeah, 1939 in reverse.

[51:53] Yeah. What one best picture that year? Garbage Pail Kids. What? Yeah, these I mean, the thing

[52:02] is these are bad movies, but with the exception, I would say of Nuki and Elliot would say of

[52:08] Garbage Pail Kids for different reasons. Like I think I think Nuki is just too boring,

[52:14] but I think that these are a lot of fun, bad movies. Some of them are. Yeah. So so for

[52:18] looking at just to answer your questions to it. So usually the Oscars there for the movies

[52:22] from the previous year. Right. So in 1988, covering the movies that came out in 87, the

[52:27] winner was The Last Emperor. So this was the year that and nominated and I think should

[52:33] have won was Moonstruck. But yeah, so this is the same year Moonstruck and the Garbage

[52:37] Pail Kids came out. Yeah. Yeah. Two films about love. Yeah. There's some real stinker

[52:47] Rooney's in that year. But I think I mean, I feel like Leonard. I think. Yeah, I think

[52:53] they did it right that time. We got a lot of it to the Razzies. Well, even a stopped

[52:57] clock is right sometimes when it comes to a criminal being in a movie, the stop clock

[53:02] Razzies correctly every once in a while. So, yeah, that was that was a little trip

[53:10] down memory lane of bad movies past. And also Dan soft launching a slate of films for us

[53:17] to watch. Yeah. Yeah. Next time, can we take a trip down Nathan Lane? That sounds like

[53:20] more fun. I highly recommend watching Dick's The Musical if you if you're looking for a

[53:26] trip down Nathan Lane. Yeah. And if and if Criterion Channel wants to toss us a couple

[53:32] bucks for this unpaid advertisement, I keep asking shutter to do the same thing. Yeah.

[53:39] You know, some swag would be fine, too. That's also good. I mean, whatever we can squeeze

[53:44] out of this. I mean, the fact is also that, like, we know someone who works at who works

[53:48] there so we can get swag. Yeah, but it's not as much fun that way. One of my best friends

[53:53] of all time works there. Yeah, that's true. It's different when you have to, like, call

[53:58] in a favor from a friend as opposed to getting swag for just being like Dan McCoy. Yeah,

[54:04] man. You know, just being the coolest dude. The coolest dude on that note. Stewart finally

[54:11] giving me the quote that's on his his posters now. The coolest dude. Oh, wow. Dan already

[54:17] got business cards. Sunglasses given a big thumbs up. Hey, thanks for listening. This

[54:26] has been the Flophouse mini edition. And if you enjoy this, maybe give us a good review

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[54:37] got to do anything, but do whatever is in your heart. Thanks to Alex Smith, our producer.

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FH Mini 101 - The Razzies Are Always Wrong

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