Ep. #180 - CBGB

[0:00] on this episode we discuss CBGB that's not it's just a bunch of letters what

[0:06] does that mean it stands for cow butt guy but I'm interested

[0:30] hey everyone and welcome to the flophouse I'm Dan McCoy hey Dan McCoy

[0:44] I am Stuart Wellington hey fans in podcast land and Dan and Stuart I'm

[0:49] Elliot Kalin all here back again president accounted for president

[0:54] accounted for that's right before we start recording we checked where the

[0:57] president was okay Dan turn on the mics let's do this now press the record

[1:03] button no it's already got get those tapes spinning around we're done recording

[1:07] now let's record we're not living in the 70s Dan how come you don't have a real

[1:12] to real a couple of big audio cans on your head no you're not like bopping to

[1:15] the music going like yeah good stuff good stuff let me press some of these

[1:19] slider buttons up they do something yeah this and a little lettuce of this other

[1:25] thing yeah and this thing is at the right level

[1:28] Dan you could be the best audio producer in the world meatloaf get out of the

[1:33] booth what cuz meatloaf wants to hear us record our podcast you know rock and

[1:38] roll star yeah yeah meatloaf get out of the booth and into my tummy eat a human

[1:44] being like Hannibal the hit NBC show that's not really a hit but I like it a

[1:51] lot of Hannibal Hannibal the cannibal does not exist that guy across the Alps

[2:03] wasn't his name Hannibal oh boy we got to start at the beginning oh boy I mean

[2:10] if I wrote that down I'd probably get a B- on my history paper I went back in

[2:20] time and got Danable to tell you about his experiences I don't know why I'm

[2:25] here I'm the one guy in history who was named Danable what's up I was a

[2:32] shoemaker Danable Schultz shoemaker extraordinaire so this is primarily a

[2:41] bad movie podcast where we watch bad movie and then we talk about it yeah we

[2:45] review it yeah well I wouldn't I wouldn't call it a review except for the

[2:49] purposes of the website where I use copyrighted poster material under the

[2:54] auspices of us being a review that's for review purpose yeah much the way that

[2:58] mr. skin is a review site that reviews movies I mean it reviews them under a

[3:04] very narrow set of critical parameters one criterion that mr. skin is

[3:10] interested in no movie that's in listed in mr. skins website has to be angry

[3:15] that they're using their posters though right cuz I think that they're using

[3:19] that any publicity from the movie is oh you can see the footage on there right

[3:24] you have to get a membership or something mm-hmm

[3:26] called skinheads mr. skin I think you're mixing them up with someone else so

[3:33] tonight we watched a movie called CBGB about the now gone New York punk club of

[3:44] the same name now it's remembered only through the name of a Daniel Balud

[3:48] restaurant DBG okay so Dan this is this actually a movie what did we watch is

[3:56] that I don't believe it's a movie well it seems to have been someone's middle

[4:03] school report on CBGB that a film school sophomore directed and then somebody

[4:11] drew all over with a bunch of yeah with a bunch of comic book panels let me just

[4:15] say this middle school teacher who assigns report on CBGB coolest middle

[4:21] school teacher what's weird is that it's faith and religion class at a Catholic

[4:25] school why would he assign a CBGB report Dan explain religions all about

[4:31] questions and like the one you just asked who questioned more than the

[4:38] original punk Jesus oh wow he sounds pretty cool hey you know what's radical

[4:43] kids questioning the pre-existing theological structure that I mean that

[4:48] is radical I mean it's a different version of radical hey who was the

[4:52] original skateboarder Jesus Christ I don't think that's if I walk on the

[4:57] water and crucifix my border you mean being nailed to her who's the world's

[5:01] most famous dead boy except that he rose from it to become a god boy who's

[5:08] the world sounds like dog boy any Charles Burns fans in the class this is

[5:13] a hip teacher who's the world's most awesome fighting teens if you get anyone

[5:20] teenage mutant ninja Jesus you'd be correct mm-hmm

[5:25] um there's probably a movie that are the most fearsome fighting yeah I don't

[5:28] fucking know if the podcast listener can hear the sound of a truck backing up

[5:35] in the background and apparently this truck has been backing up for the last

[5:38] 15 minutes it's got a long way to go then just think of that as authentic

[5:45] New York grit of the kind you won't find in the movie TV yeah so let's talk so

[5:49] CBGB let's dispense with the plot summary cuz here's the plot I think we

[5:52] should go right into the plot summary this guy no it's not so there is no

[5:56] plot so the movie opens with the future legs McNeil and his pal John Holmstrom

[6:00] talking about how they want to do a magazine about today's young angry youth

[6:06] and they come up with the name punk in one of those stupid movie moments where

[6:10] someone uses a word and they both go oh that's great or whatever it's like we're

[6:16] falling into the abyss

[6:20] that he's like James Cameron I mean the movie that we're gonna make in seven

[6:26] years or how you had lowered like 12 years one of the abyss come out anyway

[6:30] then we cut to the past when a baby sneaks out of a crib and runs into a

[6:35] field that baby is the future baby is abducted by aliens and it becomes the

[6:40] Star-Lord only that baby grows up to be hilly crystal the founder of CBGB Billy

[6:46] crystal no and it's not helped by Alan Rickman crystal super no it's not helped

[6:52] by Alan Rickman's super mumbly accent so that every time he says hilly crystal it

[6:56] sounds like he says Billy Crystal hello I'm Hillary Crystal but as as the judge

[7:03] in hell I guess I like this is how I'm going to deliver all my lines I think

[7:11] that you've got some deeper you can do deeper Elliot right there's something

[7:16] about the punk music but even though I don't like it so slowly turning into a

[7:22] Bond villain well how is he not been a Bond villain yet Alan Rickman yeah he

[7:28] was I everyone would say it's too much like diehard too much like diehard we

[7:31] doesn't have to be yeah I feel like he probably got an offer to him and he was

[7:34] just like don't you think this is a bit obvious casting I'm trying to avoid the

[7:39] we've been named him Franz Ruber you named him Franz boober this is your

[7:44] name from Snape seems strange I haven't even played that part yet the book

[7:52] hasn't been written yeah so he's so he he's the most and let's just get this

[7:58] English Jewish New York guy there's ever been and he let's he is if you couldn't

[8:03] sleepwalk through this role more if his eyes were literally closed through the

[8:07] whole movie let's go into straight I like Alan Rickman a lot he's good in a

[8:10] lot of things he's great in a lot of things not in this one and so he is as

[8:15] Stuart described it he appears in exposition court where the judge

[8:19] explains that Hilly Crystal has twice gone bankrupt and is divorced with

[8:22] children the sequel to married with children when Alan Peggy just decided it

[8:26] wasn't working out anymore but they were both in their 60s by that point

[8:30] yeah so I mean how they go in the court the divorce court and there's a toilet

[8:34] that flushes off screen and every time every time they're now middle-aged

[8:40] daughter Christina Applegate walks in the the judge goes yeah bud Bundy has

[8:48] long since died at the world's fattest dog convention tragically when the stage

[9:05] collapse this this dog looks like it could party hardy this dog doesn't look

[9:11] at parties hardy enough and now this all the dogs are so fat the buttons on

[9:18] their Hawaiian shirts are just straining to stay close I mean the thing is all

[9:22] the dogs went to heaven but bud went to hell oh yeah all Bundy's go to hell Ted

[9:27] bud all of them anyway so King Kong yeah King Kong Bundy went to hell too

[9:34] wait is he still alive uh is he different than the giant ape character

[9:39] from those movies they're brothers but one's a cop and the others are criminal

[9:45] will they ever get along it's probably not the king of Kong so Hilly has a dream

[9:54] of owning a music club he wants to open a bluegrass music club and once and he

[9:59] finds

[10:00] He wanders through a piss-poor budget simulacrum of 70s run-down New York,

[10:06] which is represented by the same graffito to storefronts and alleyways over and over again,

[10:11] and in one scene he sees a rat. Now, New York at this point is at the height of its economic

[10:17] resurgence, to such a point that someone like me, who's a high-paid television writer,

[10:22] can't afford to buy property in Manhattan, can't afford to buy an apartment really,

[10:26] and there are rats all over the place. So the idea that...

[10:28] Yeah, you ride them to work sometimes.

[10:30] Yeah. I mean, if you're lucky, you lasso them, ride them like a sandworm.

[10:35] Then you're one of the makers. But you see, the spice comes from the rats. That's the secret.

[10:41] Oh, you gotta milk them.

[10:43] Yeah, you milk them.

[10:44] Out of their spice teats.

[10:48] So the idea that...

[10:49] Tom Brokaw was telling me about it.

[10:53] What did that sound like?

[10:54] Oh, so I was reading Dune the other day.

[10:59] The Shia ludes are like rats.

[11:01] I had a vision of a massive jihad sweeping the universe, killing billions.

[11:05] Please stop telling me about Dune.

[11:07] You're shouting the name Tom Brokaw.

[11:09] I'm so very bored by you recapping the plot of Dune over and over again.

[11:12] Michael, I thank you for agreeing to this second liaison.

[11:16] If I wanted to read Dune, I could just read Dune, or I could watch the David Lynch film.

[11:20] I know it's not the same thing.

[11:20] No, I wouldn't do that. It's not a great representation of Dune.

[11:23] I'm a busy man.

[11:24] Of the story.

[11:25] If anything, watch Yodorovsky's Dune, which, again, is not accurate, but more interesting.

[11:30] It's something about spice. I don't care.

[11:33] But it's interesting.

[11:35] I am turning into Jimmy Stewart over time.

[11:37] Will you two keep it down up there?

[11:39] I'm the ghost of Jimmy Stewart.

[11:41] I'm trying to finish reading Chapter House Dune.

[11:44] That sounded more like Tom Nutz than Jimmy Stewart.

[11:46] That was a little playlet we like to call

[11:50] An Unlikely Conversation Between Tom Brokaw, Michael Caine, and Jimmy Stewart.

[11:55] About Dune.

[11:58] Thank you.

[11:59] Jack Nicholson's here.

[12:02] Who wants to talk about Dune Messiah?

[12:08] Now, is there a Jack? I can't remember if that's before or after the one that I'm reading.

[12:13] Well, hello, everyone. It's me, Ronald Reagan.

[12:17] I hear you talking about Dune.

[12:22] You're talking about Dune.

[12:24] Talk about an evil empire.

[12:30] I saw Stewart make a face like he was about to jump in with another

[12:33] hack impression, but he couldn't think of one in time.

[12:37] The thing is, I could do a good impression, but it wouldn't be the same.

[12:42] That's the thing.

[12:43] Your impressions are too good.

[12:44] They're too good.

[12:45] We don't know what it would sound like if Clive Owen jumped in talking about Dune.

[12:49] Hello, hello. I love Dune.

[12:50] The book is me.

[12:54] He narrates himself, of course.

[12:56] Really, the Peter Sellers of the Flophouse.

[12:59] Just amazing.

[13:00] It's me, Paul Giamatti.

[13:02] I was walking by and I heard you talking about Dune.

[13:05] You're going to feel it all the way in New York, San Andreas.

[13:11] In theaters now.

[13:13] I'm very angry about it for some reason.

[13:16] Marty, your kids are going to read Dune.

[13:20] It's Christopher Lloyd.

[13:21] Goddamn, the worst impressions anyone has ever done.

[13:25] You know what?

[13:26] They're not the worst impressions because we just watched CBGB, a movie full of the

[13:30] shittiest impressions of famous punk rockers that there ever was.

[13:35] Hey, here are some words you never used to describe punk rock musicians and CBGBs.

[13:41] Well-fed, tan, healthy-looking, fit, except maybe Iggy Pop.

[13:46] For a heroin addict, he was in pretty good shape most of the time.

[13:47] I think Iggy Pop was the most convincing one because he was convincingly,

[13:51] weirdly, muscular emaciated.

[13:53] Except the guy, all of them look like, it does look like a high school play about CBGB where

[13:59] they just got kids with the same hair color as the people they're playing.

[14:02] And everybody who plays a famous person walks out and then says their name.

[14:06] Not unlike a certain Clive Owen impression.

[14:09] What do you think was worst?

[14:10] Was it Malin Aikerman as Debbie Harry?

[14:14] I don't know.

[14:15] I mean, I thought the guys doing the Ramones were pretty lame too.

[14:19] Yeah.

[14:19] I feel like the guy playing David Byrne did the best impression because he barely talked

[14:23] and he just stood there dressed in the same clothes that David Byrne used to wear.

[14:26] Yeah, and he looks convincingly somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

[14:30] Yeah, but the thing is also they don't have the actors sing cover versions.

[14:34] So here, so let's get to that point.

[14:36] Hilly Crystal decides to open up a club.

[14:38] He does it with his English, his Cockney English pal, Donal Logue.

[14:43] It's going to be a country bluegrass blues club, which is why it's called CBGBs.

[14:48] It's, you know, we all know the well-worn tale of CBGBs.

[14:51] It's going to be a cow butt, guy butt bar.

[14:57] So with his friend, the maybe English-accented Donal Logue and his daughter who

[15:04] keeps arguing with him about the bills.

[15:05] It's really great to see Donal Logue.

[15:07] His daughter, Ashley Green of Twilight fame.

[15:10] I think she might be it.

[15:12] Okay, everybody use your pocket computer.

[15:14] We're going to be quiet while Dan does this.

[15:16] Look, you're the navigator of your pocket computer.

[15:18] But it is really great to watch Donal Logue do these competing impressions or like accents

[15:28] where they get to a point where neither of them seems to know what accent they're supposed to be.

[15:32] Donal Logue is Englishing up while Alan Rickman tries to English down and they

[15:36] reach the middle of this like kind of shitty Patrick Magooan is what it sounds like.

[15:40] Like a poorly and unseated Patrick Magooan continental accent.

[15:44] It's not even like a transcontinental, yeah, mid-Atlantic accent.

[15:48] It's just sort of like, it just sounds like Kevin Costner or something in Prince of Thieves.

[15:54] Especially because they keep talking about baseball

[15:56] and how they're going to build a baseball field in a cornfield.

[15:59] Was that what happened in Prince of Thieves?

[16:01] I misunderstood that movie.

[16:03] It's called Robin Hood, Prince of Field of Dreams Thieves.

[16:06] Another Alan Rickman movie where he was also miscast.

[16:10] Although he probably was the best thing about that movie.

[16:13] Yeah, definitely.

[16:13] Like he was acting in a different movie than everyone else.

[16:15] No, Christian Slater was.

[16:18] But he was enjoyable in the movie he was acting in.

[16:20] So he wants...

[16:21] He thought he was in a Rocky Horror Picture Show version of the Robin Hood story.

[16:26] He wants...

[16:27] So this super serious, like hard-hitting Robin Hood story that we're given.

[16:31] He is a, he wants to, he wants to open a music club.

[16:34] He has a dog that poops everywhere.

[16:36] He's a totally unlikable, lazy, grumpy guy who mumbles and isn't friendly to anybody.

[16:42] And was kind of semi-friendly to people.

[16:45] He's just really like, he has no charisma whatsoever.

[16:48] He's like a walking sponge.

[16:49] And he operates with like the least amount of direction or input.

[16:55] Like you have no idea why he's doing what he's doing.

[16:58] Yeah, he has no motivation to do anything.

[17:01] Even, he never even says like, I like music.

[17:03] He's just kind of like...

[17:05] I guess you're just supposed to assume that.

[17:07] And the whole movie is predicated on the idea that you as the viewer love CBGB.

[17:11] The, you know, love CBGBs.

[17:13] You don't CBGB, but I always thought of it as CBGBs.

[17:15] Love CBGBs and love punk music.

[17:17] So like, you're going to watch this like the Stations of the Cross.

[17:20] And be super excited when like a bunch of people dressed up to look like the Dead Boys show up.

[17:25] Or like when a guy dressed up to look like Lou Reed shows up.

[17:28] And you're going to be so excited to see these famous punk moments acted out.

[17:33] And these famous stories about the crazy Hilly Crystal.

[17:36] And so the movie just...

[17:36] Acted out on a stage that's plastered with like stickers and posters.

[17:42] But none of it has like a lick of dust or dirt on it.

[17:45] And the movie...

[17:46] It's also interesting that you say like Stations of the Cross.

[17:48] Because it feels like a Christmas pageant.

[17:50] It feels like, all right, well, this is a familiar story.

[17:53] And we're going to get some kids to come in and act it out.

[17:55] Or like a passion play.

[17:56] Like that it's more important to hit the beats than any sense of drama or character.

[18:01] Like it feels more like a crappy ritual.

[18:03] And so it's...

[18:04] The movie doesn't have structure so much as it has this recurring series of scenes.

[18:09] Where people complain to Hilly that they're not making money on the bar.

[18:12] The bar's losing money.

[18:13] A band comes in and plays for a while.

[18:15] The actors lip-sync to the album version of these famous songs.

[18:19] Oh my god, it's so good.

[18:21] The lip-syncing is so bad.

[18:23] And so they'll be like, hey, yeah, we're just starting out.

[18:25] We're uh...

[18:26] This is our first ever performance live.

[18:28] Let's play this band's biggest hit.

[18:30] Biggest hit.

[18:31] Super polished.

[18:31] And at the end...

[18:32] Even if it's like anachronistic.

[18:34] Like they've got Patti Smith singing Because of the Night.

[18:37] When that's like a much later song from her.

[18:40] The last scene of the movie is this new band comes in.

[18:42] And it's clearly the police.

[18:44] Because they look kind of like the police.

[18:46] And they start playing.

[18:47] And they're just lip-syncing to the album version of Roxanne.

[18:49] And it's like, well, this guy either does an amazing sting impression.

[18:53] And an amazing sting in a studio impression.

[18:56] Like it's...

[18:56] Yeah.

[18:57] And as you point out, like Alan Rickman's like, I might have something here.

[19:00] Which maybe was the thing he used to say a lot.

[19:02] But like, it feels like you're watching...

[19:04] Of course they do.

[19:04] This is a really polished fucking song.

[19:08] It feels like a lot of time.

[19:10] Like you're watching a movie version of the Jimmy Fallon game.

[19:12] Where celebrities lip-sync to songs in competition.

[19:15] But in celebrities, you have...

[19:17] Instead of celebrities.

[19:18] I mean, there's people who...

[19:20] I mean, it's like...

[19:20] You got Rupert Grint from Hogwarts.

[19:23] It's like a...

[19:24] Yeah.

[19:24] It's like some...

[19:25] That's what we know from Hogwarts.

[19:27] Some 13-year-old kid.

[19:29] You got the guy from The Hangover that's not on the poster.

[19:31] Justin Bartha.

[19:32] Some 13-year-old kid in Scarsdale.

[19:35] I think of that every time I see it.

[19:37] Justin Panthro?

[19:38] What?

[19:39] Bantha.

[19:39] Oh, Bantha.

[19:40] Yeah.

[19:42] There's a Justin Bartha voodoo.

[19:46] It's like some kid in Scarsdale was really into punk.

[19:48] And so his parents decided to throw him a punk-themed bar mitzvah.

[19:51] Where they took some catering hall and plastered it with punk zines and shit.

[19:55] And hired people from the local performing arts high school.

[20:00] pretend they were punkers from the punk times

[20:03] and it's the whole thing is so like antiseptic and like

[20:06] look it looks really like

[20:08] if for a movie that's supposed to be about like

[20:10] junkies performing music essentially in a shithole

[20:13] it looks really clean like you were saying. Yeah, every time they go outside it's like they

[20:16] stepped onto a fucking sesame street set. Like if Oscar the Grouch had shown up it

[20:20] would have added needed grit and realism to the movie. Okay, we're in a very like

[20:25] privileged position here that we're not usually. Oh yeah, we're upper middle class guys, we're all

[20:28] employed, white, let's not forget that in America. I'm kind of employed.

[20:33] But in addition. You're a private entrepreneur. We're in a privileged position in this movie

[20:38] in that we don't have to spend a bunch of time

[20:41] recapping the plot because this movie has no plot. Like I just want to

[20:44] skip through and say like

[20:45] the plot of the movie is

[20:47] famous band after famous band walks into CBGB

[20:51] and Hilly gives them a chance

[20:54] however he's a bad manager so he's still like losing money on the bar where he forgets to pay his rent

[21:00] so his daughter takes over some of that stuff. There's a long sequence where he's

[21:03] trying to manage the dead boys as a band. Well yeah, in the end he's like oh this will

[21:06] rocket me to success now I've got to start managing these

[21:09] bands and he starts managing the dead boys but that doesn't really do much for him. He takes a band

[21:12] that's made up of

[21:14] some of the

[21:16] of all the bands that ended up recording albums that played at CBGB is like

[21:19] one of the

[21:20] most screwed up when it came to actually

[21:23] doing things you know? Yeah

[21:24] and that's pretty much all that happens in the movie

[21:28] which means that we can unlike normal

[21:30] uh... circle back and focus more on the small things rather than like going

[21:34] through a labyrinthine plot. We should also mention there's a lovable junkie named

[21:38] Idaho who does odd jobs around the place. Would you say that he was CBGB's

[21:43] private Idaho?

[21:46] I would. He seems like

[21:48] he's like the lovable junkie mascot. It's like if they got

[21:52] Charlie Day's character from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on stage doing

[21:56] that like Nightman Cometh play

[21:58] to play a junkie. That's basically what you're getting at. Nightman Cometh? Iceman?

[22:03] No I think it's

[22:04] well what's the... Oh wait. It's the friggin bit from that show.

[22:08] Oh you're talking about the part, the song, oh sorry, the song, the play from It's Always Sunny. I don't think I've seen that episode.

[22:13] You're not talking about the... Danny DeVito's in it.

[22:17] And I've seen the show. I haven't seen every episode.

[22:20] I thought you meant Eugene O'Neill's play about Nightman, the I think uh... what, Valiant Cometh's character?

[22:25] Uh... What does he like? I'm thinking of Shadow Man.

[22:28] Okay I was gonna say... I thought you were talking about the jazz musician. Clifford Odette's play, the Iceman Cometh.

[22:34] The long, long, very long play. That's the Eugene O'Neill play, Dan.

[22:39] Are you sure? Yes. Okay.

[22:41] Clifford Odette's wrote Ways of the Wefty, The Big Knife,

[22:44] Awake and Sing. You keep talking. Yeah, look up Eugene O'Neill. Yeah, look it up.

[22:49] Prove me wrong, dude.

[22:53] Uh... so... yeah.

[22:56] Eugene O'Neill, yeah.

[23:00] I just learned something.

[23:02] Uh... well, one, neither of them are boring.

[23:05] It's pretty boring. I don't think... anyway, look, we're talking about CBGB, a movie we can all agree is boring.

[23:11] So even at this point... If you're gonna say Eugene O'Neill's play is boring, you should talk about Morning Becomes Elektra.

[23:16] And even that has good scenes in it. But anywho...

[23:18] There's even bits where, even when he's trying to manage the dead boys, his motivation really isn't that clear.

[23:23] I'm sorry I got so hostile about that, Dan.

[23:25] No, I know that your self-worth is really tied up in your theater-goer persona.

[23:31] I mean, not persona. It's something I care about. And Eugene O'Neill, someone my grandmother met a couple times

[23:37] when she was working for the theater guild.

[23:39] Name-dropping takes an early appearance.

[23:43] This is my new segment.

[23:45] People I didn't see in the theater, but family members of mine saw.

[23:48] Do you like to think they went out a few times?

[23:50] I would. My grandmother, I assume, hit on him.

[23:53] Or she was pretty frisky at the time.

[23:58] At the time. Tell me more.

[24:01] This is my father's mother who, when I introduced her to my then-girlfriend, now-wife,

[24:06] she was touring us around the assisted living apartment she lived in.

[24:10] She said, here's the bedroom. Nothing happens in there.

[24:14] It was like, Grandma, you are definitely a blanche.

[24:19] Yep. It all happens in the bathroom.

[24:23] I like to do it standing up in the shower.

[24:25] Don't worry, we have those flowers on the ground so we don't slip.

[24:28] Two of the worst ways to do it.

[24:30] Look, when you're that old, you've got to spice it up somehow.

[24:33] So, yeah, what do we have to say about this movie?

[24:37] So, anyway, here was the question I was asking Stuart during the movie.

[24:41] So, let's take a successful movie about a music scene, 24-hour party people,

[24:45] which is about the Manchester music scene, music I don't like,

[24:49] and a time period I'm not interested in, and yet that movie is great.

[24:53] This is a movie about a time period and music which I've kind of lost my...

[24:57] And a city.

[24:58] And a city, which some of those things I'm not as into as I once was,

[25:02] but there was a period in my life when I was all about punk,

[25:05] especially that era of punk.

[25:07] I'm still hugely obsessed with that time in New York's history,

[25:11] and yet this movie was so uninteresting to me.

[25:14] I was fighting to be interested in a movie that's about things I'm interested in.

[25:18] There are musical acts depicted in this that I love.

[25:23] Talking Heads first among them, but also Blondie, The Ramones.

[25:27] Television you like?

[25:29] Television I love.

[25:31] Spin Doctors?

[25:32] Iggy Pop is good.

[25:34] Spin Doctors were great in this movie.

[25:36] They played themselves.

[25:38] The Ramones, but it's just so...

[25:44] It glances over the surface of everything,

[25:47] and when you see these bands, you don't learn anything about the bands.

[25:51] You learn about their names and the costumes that they wore.

[25:54] It's so focused on the club and the club owner,

[25:57] who is maybe the least interesting part of this whole story.

[26:00] It's focused on him, but even he doesn't do that much.

[26:05] What about the breakneck pacing

[26:07] that tries to mimic the pacing of punk rock music?

[26:10] Every now and then, suddenly it'll turn into comic book scenes,

[26:14] and it'll switch to another scene,

[26:16] and you're like, what did I just see?

[26:18] Did I get transported to Cool World?

[26:20] Is this a live-action underground zine?

[26:23] Is this comics with an X?

[26:25] There'll be a thought balloon or a talk balloon

[26:28] or someone saying something really unwitty

[26:31] or something that just reinforces what we just saw in the scene anyway.

[26:35] There's also the scenes of John Holmstrom

[26:39] and what's-her-name from American Psycho?

[26:43] I don't know. Mary Herron.

[26:45] Mary Herron just walking around the streets of New York

[26:48] talking about what punk means

[26:50] in a way that no human being has ever done.

[26:52] They were scenes from the West Wing

[26:54] where there's exposition that Aaron Sorkin needs to get out.

[26:57] He was like, why don't I just take this paragraph

[27:00] that explains how the checks and balances system works,

[27:03] split it up into dialogue by just giving characters one line each

[27:06] and have them walk through a hallway,

[27:08] and people will think it's dramatic.

[27:10] It's the sort of myth-making that only makes sense in retrospect

[27:14] but would never be true of the time.

[27:18] This movie does not have any sense of immediacy,

[27:22] of how a scene would actually be growing.

[27:25] It's all through this haze of, this is important.

[27:30] It's one of those movies where television performs to two people

[27:34] and suddenly there's a review in a magazine about it.

[27:37] In a different city.

[27:39] And his daughter's like,

[27:41] you have no idea how big this is going to be.

[27:43] And then the next show they have, the place is packed.

[27:46] Yeah.

[27:47] And every band that plays the place is packed.

[27:49] And that junkie guy's in the back making chili

[27:52] like it's fucking eggs-aronious or something.

[27:54] He's just squeezing ketchup into a big pot.

[28:00] There's a lot of dog shit jokes.

[28:02] A lot of dog shit jokes, a lot of cockroach jokes.

[28:04] We learn the origin of punk rock dudes wearing

[28:08] Doc Martens, I guess, or combat boots.

[28:10] Well, boots, because he wasn't wearing Doc Martens.

[28:13] I mean, I didn't check the tag, did you?

[28:15] They don't look like Doc Martens.

[28:17] Why do you have to always be right, Elliot?

[28:19] Sorry, I'm just high off that Eugene O'Neill thing.

[28:21] Why do you have to undercut me?

[28:23] We're going to talk about this on The Walk Home.

[28:26] We're probably going to talk about BPRD on The Walk Home.

[28:29] Yeah, probably.

[28:30] I will say that it is absurd to watch all these guys

[28:34] lip-sync to these songs,

[28:36] but at the same time, the best part of the movie by far

[28:39] was just being like...

[28:40] Closing your eyes and imagining you're just listening to them.

[28:43] Imagining you're just listening to an album.

[28:45] Oh, this is a good mixtape.

[28:46] Here you go, you got some television, some talking heads.

[28:48] Here comes Patti Smith, some blondie.

[28:50] It could be one of those movies that has

[28:52] a really good soundtrack album,

[28:54] but is it not a good movie?

[28:56] Like Empire Records?

[28:57] Yeah, basically.

[28:58] At the end of the movie, one of you guys said

[29:00] they had assembled the team of Hilly's Helpers

[29:04] to get the club back off the ground again,

[29:07] and one of you said they were the Empire Records group now.

[29:10] This movie feels like it's the Empire Records version

[29:13] of the history of punk,

[29:15] where when I was 12 or 14 or however,

[29:18] watching Empire Records,

[29:19] and they were like,

[29:20] these kids are rebellious.

[29:21] Even at that age, I was like,

[29:22] eh, I don't think so.

[29:23] They work at this enormous store,

[29:25] and they don't...

[29:26] Even as a kid, I was like,

[29:27] they're not doing any work.

[29:28] There's no wonder that this store is closing down.

[29:30] Yeah.

[29:31] Now, when you were 17...

[29:33] It was a very good year.

[29:34] Was that a very good year?

[29:35] Okay.

[29:36] A very good year for...

[29:37] What was he saying about having sex with girls

[29:39] on golf courses or something?

[29:40] I don't...

[29:41] I think you might be confusing with real Frank Sinatra.

[29:45] Oh, maybe that was it.

[29:46] Yeah, yeah.

[29:48] Oh, God.

[29:49] Now, when I was 31,

[29:50] that was a very good year for...

[29:52] Is that year the one with limousines

[29:54] and women of independent means?

[29:56] I don't know, man.

[29:57] Check it.

[29:58] Check the phone.

[30:00] Did Eugene O'Neill write it?

[30:02] I know that, to jump songs, when I saw a fire I thought, is that all there is?

[30:07] Is that all there is to a fire?

[30:10] I had the same feeling about circuses, and also life in general.

[30:15] Is that all there is to the story of CBGBs?

[30:17] Then during the credits, well here's the, then it's like, they've done this movie where

[30:20] you'd only be interested in it if you knew who these people were anyway.

[30:23] They end with one of those like, now we're going to tell you who the people were, with

[30:27] a picture of the actor playing them, and a little bio.

[30:30] Like it's fucking Animal House or something.

[30:32] And then they show, it says on text, when Talking Heads was inducted into the Rock and

[30:37] Roll Hall of Fame, they thanked Hilly Crystal.

[30:40] Then the credits roll, they show that moment from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction

[30:44] ceremony, and it's way better than anything else in the movie.

[30:47] Well they basically summarize all the salient points of the movie, like they basically do

[30:52] a better plot summary than we just did.

[30:55] And that's all you need, just watch the credits.

[30:57] You'll get the whole story, it's exciting, that's it.

[31:02] So I guess what I'm saying is, great good movie, or best movie ever?

[31:07] Yeah, Cow Butt Guy Butt.

[31:09] I kind of wish we were watching a movie called Cow Butt Guy Butt.

[31:13] I wish there was more to say about this movie, but there really is not.

[31:17] I was hoping, so this is a different type of movie for us, I don't remember if we've

[31:20] ever done a movie based on fact, you know.

[31:22] Immortals?

[31:24] Yeah, I forgot Immortals.

[31:25] Oh yeah, and 300 Rise of Empire.

[31:28] R.I.P.D.

[31:29] It's based on the true story of the rise of the R.I.P.D.

[31:32] Yeah, the rise of the R.I.P.D.

[31:35] Oh yeah, G.I.

[31:36] Joe, Rise of Cobra, whatever.

[31:38] No, we watched that one for fun.

[31:41] Yeah, but there's not a lot there.

[31:44] The true story of Jonah Hex.

[31:46] Yeah, there's very little, like, there's not a lot of substance to this movie.

[31:49] It's the thinnest of thin.

[31:51] Any style it has is hideous.

[31:53] It's poorly made.

[31:55] This is their cheap looking movie.

[31:57] They're trying to do, like, they've got a lot of great actors in it, but they're trying to do...

[32:00] They date it with occasional newspapers and television news.

[32:04] Like, someone is literally reading a newspaper that says, Ford to city, drop dead.

[32:08] Like, okay, now I know the exact day the scene is set.

[32:11] I love the bit where Haley's about to get a parking ticket from the cop, and the cop's like,

[32:17] New York's running out of money.

[32:19] They're calling in their debts.

[32:21] We got to get more tickets.

[32:23] New York's bankrupt.

[32:24] It needs the cash.

[32:26] But they didn't go to the trouble of...

[32:28] Did you hear there was a taking on Pelham?

[32:30] One, two, three.

[32:32] Boy, these Watergates, I don't know what to tell you.

[32:36] What do you got, a death wish?

[32:38] I'm just thinking of old movies.

[32:40] We're seeing a real beginning of a rise of evangelical Christianity as a force in American domestic politics.

[32:47] And you got to know that the Soviet Union's only got another 13 or 12 years left in it.

[32:53] There's a real malaise over the country.

[32:56] It was a little later.

[32:58] We got to whip inflation now.

[33:01] That was that time.

[33:03] At the same time, they didn't bother to hide the fact that they're using modern subway trains in the few subway scenes.

[33:11] That was really great, seeing the trains that I could be riding on now.

[33:17] It's like I could go back in time to CBGB's days.

[33:23] Did either of you guys ever go there, to CBGB's?

[33:26] No, I always kind of meant to because, like we've said, the music did mean something to me.

[33:32] Although going there would be an empty gesture because by that time it was just another club with a shitty bathroom.

[33:39] Yeah, because I went there once to see the band of my sister's then-boyfriend.

[33:43] And it was – yeah, without the history of the place, it was like, oh, this place is pretty crappy.

[33:48] I could buy a $20 T-shirt.

[33:50] And it's not like –

[33:52] That's the true measure of any punk bar.

[33:55] It's not like I did not spend a fair amount of my young life in New York in shitty performance spaces as a comedy person.

[34:04] So I didn't need to seek out a lousy performance space for music.

[34:08] That's a good point.

[34:10] But anyway, let's move on to Final Judgment.

[34:13] See, someday – someday, and the listeners will not understand any of what I'm talking about, but Dan will –

[34:18] – will make a movie called Juvie Hall with Alan Rickman as Eric Marceczak, our good friend and manager of Juvie Hall the comedy.

[34:25] Who's about to get married.

[34:27] Who's about to get married this weekend.

[34:29] In fact, as you listen to this, Dan and I will be in Montreal celebrating that wedding and also getting married ourselves.

[34:33] Dan, will you make me the happiest podcast co-host in the world?

[34:37] I mean it's polygamy, but –

[34:39] It's polygamy too.

[34:41] No, wait a minute.

[34:42] Hold on.

[34:43] That joke works when you say bigamy.

[34:44] I screwed that up.

[34:45] I set that up poorly.

[34:46] Let's re-rack.

[34:47] Hold on.

[34:48] It's bigamy.

[34:49] No, it's too late.

[34:50] It's too late to do the dumbest, oldest joke in the history of marriage jokes.

[34:54] But yeah, no, that was – there were, you know, good people who came out of that tiny basement theater, including yours and mine truly.

[35:03] Yeah, lots of people.

[35:04] And Sarah Schaefer of MTV's Nicky and Sarah Live and other things.

[35:10] And who else?

[35:11] Lots of people.

[35:12] Anyway, we don't need to reminisce about our old – we'll do this when we're older.

[35:16] We'll reminisce about our –

[35:17] I want to do it now.

[35:19] Comedy basement days.

[35:20] When you make that movie, could you put some fat guy in the audience and have it be me?

[35:26] I just want one long name card.

[35:27] You'll just be wearing a shirt that says Fat Stewart.

[35:29] And overalls.

[35:30] Yeah, I'd be wearing overalls.

[35:31] You'll love this here comedy.

[35:34] I've just arrived from Fort Wayne, Indiana.

[35:37] Indiana.

[35:41] And you'll do it the same way that Cheetah Chrome had a cameo in this as a taxi driver who looks at the camera and goes, I hate that punk shit.

[35:49] You'll look at the camera and you go, this is some kind of real flop house.

[35:55] I'll never do a podcast, whatever that is.

[35:58] It hasn't been invented yet.

[36:00] Wait a minute.

[36:01] The actor or I would get the cameo that you guys promised me.

[36:04] You would get the cameo, but you're in a fat suit.

[36:06] So why would I be doing a weird impression of myself?

[36:09] Because you don't want people to recognize you, except for the people really in the know.

[36:13] Maybe you'll do a cameo as Clive Owen.

[36:15] How about that?

[36:16] I thought you were about to say Clive Barker, and I can't do that.

[36:20] I was just in Croupier.

[36:21] Hello?

[36:22] Is this some sort of comedy place?

[36:25] What would you do as a Clive Barker impression?

[36:29] I would probably open up my books of blood and say, do you know fear?

[36:37] Hi, it's me, Todd McFarlane.

[36:40] Why is Clive Barker doing a Todd McFarlane impression?

[36:43] Because it's an early extended burn on Todd McFarlane.

[36:48] If you were a Hellspawn.

[36:52] So this is the point of the podcast where I ask you a question.

[36:56] It's almost like we didn't like this movie.

[36:57] And it's a question of final judgment, whether this is a good, bad movie, a bad, bad movie, or a movie you kind of like.

[37:04] I, for part of it, was almost leaning towards good, bad, because it is really miscalculated, this film.

[37:12] But by the end of it, it just got so dull.

[37:15] There was a certain point where it was like a Bataan Death March movie, just kind of getting through it.

[37:21] When he goes back out to New Jersey, and he goes to the chicken farm, and then he has a quilt around him for a little while.

[37:27] Just playing acoustic guitar.

[37:29] But it's really great after that because it's edited in such a way that he's talking on the phone, and then all of a sudden he's already in the room.

[37:35] As soon as she hangs up the phone, he teleported there, and then it's crazy.

[37:39] You said there's a scene where he walks to his office, and then it cuts to him sitting.

[37:44] He walks to the front door of his office.

[37:46] It cuts to inside his office, him at the desk, and cut on action, his daughter walking in.

[37:51] And it looks like he transformed into his daughter as he passed through the door.

[37:56] For one moment, they hired – I forget who edited images – the Robert Altman movie.

[38:01] They brought him in to do one cut in the entire movie and just make it super complicated.

[38:07] And that's supposed to represent that for a moment he can see things through her eyes.

[38:13] Roles are reversed, and he understands I have to get my shit together.

[38:17] I have to get everybody together, and they have to give me a bunch of money.

[38:20] We also missed the scene where he and his daughter peed in the same fountain.

[38:24] They switcherooed their brainios.

[38:26] Anyway, I would say bad, bad movie. It was super boring.

[38:29] All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks for that judgment.

[38:33] Dan didn't ask me, but I think it was bad, too.

[38:35] Wait, didn't I?

[38:37] I mean, it was kind of an open question to both of us.

[38:40] I feel like it was incumbent upon you to volunteer your feelings.

[38:43] I agree. You've got to be your own advocate.

[38:45] This is like a hospital or, you know, the legal system.

[38:50] Stewart's have a harder time of it in the world.

[38:53] Sure.

[38:54] They have to support themselves.

[38:57] So now it's time for letters from listeners, a popular segment on our podcast, Unlead to Believe.

[39:07] And this first letter.

[39:08] You're really hyping the letter segment.

[39:10] This first letter goes exactly like this.

[39:13] It is.

[39:14] You are quoting.

[39:15] The six reasons why Elliot Kalin is history's greatest monster.

[39:20] Hold on a second.

[39:21] Deer floppers.

[39:22] Written by Dan McCoy.

[39:23] Based on a recommendation by fellow.

[39:25] History's greatest monster?

[39:27] Based on.

[39:28] Like, greater than Dracula?

[39:30] Because he's pretty great.

[39:31] History.

[39:32] Based on a recommendation.

[39:33] What about that Imhotep guy?

[39:35] He's all right.

[39:36] But he can, like, summon a sea of beetles to eat people.

[39:39] Yeah, out of his mouth. Come on.

[39:41] He's just throwing up beetles on you.

[39:43] What can Dracula do against that?

[39:45] He can't drink their blood.

[39:46] They're beetles.

[39:47] Beetles don't have blood.

[39:48] Turn into a mist.

[39:49] The beetles get all shivery and cold.

[39:51] Okay.

[39:52] That's actually a good point.

[39:53] Maybe the moisture.

[39:54] The beetles are like, help.

[39:55] I need somebody.

[39:56] Help.

[39:57] Not just anybody.

[40:00] uh... help i need someone there's a vampire

[40:03] there was

[40:03] and i i wouldn't have been so the cgv's rose was i wouldn't be surprised if

[40:07] probably through the beatles just walked in even though they were totally

[40:09] anachronistic to that time place i know it's not for lads from the interest of

[40:13] the livable would decide to play a little skiffle in your little club

[40:16] it's me g g l and i'm gonna shit my own face

[40:19] uh...

[40:22] and it's the g smith the saturday night live and i'm also gonna shit my own face

[40:27] for some reason

[40:28] lord will let me do it on the show a lot of laws me a lot would be to open up a

[40:32] little bit of a it's me i'll tell us what i'm here to bite the head off of a

[40:37] bad

[40:38] the right hand and i don't know which one he did has a lot of things

[40:43] barbie dole's a president

[40:47] that's what he says that the james garfield yeah it's me and william howard

[40:51] taft hilly would you be able to get me on stock from this bathing tub

[40:57] uh...

[40:58] it's

[40:59] yeah

[41:00] we reference don't head before but it's basically just don't head where everyone

[41:03] comes in and does their thing

[41:05] and announces themselves

[41:07] or any saturday night live sketch

[41:11] uh... yeah

[41:13] so

[41:14] yet to real

[41:16] to flop for his eye

[41:18] may get a little bit of a little bit of a truck

[41:21] i was wondering if i might find that it was as an english accent hispanic

[41:25] if i like the artfigure highland

[41:30] you pass our aid and give me a look are you know i think he has one is this reason

[41:35] well heaven sissu haito that's why im stalling carlastgian

[41:39] lillie sanders

[41:42] they were a minute to get them whatever you select it was on news is a lot up

[41:46] under house i know visit i'm remembering an essay that i have a lot job joe's

[41:50] would get mad

[41:51] that criss alley would go to the same songs over and over again

[41:55] like if there was a character wearing a restaurant carpool

[41:58] it is a character wearing ready to speak a song of red the title is a character

[42:01] in blue just pick a song blue in the title

[42:04] boy it works really well though

[42:06] so based on a recommendation by fellow payment dot walks and i'm getting into

[42:09] electronic music and i'm not playing crazy jazz anymore continue

[42:14] uh... based on a recommendation by fellow podcaster quintessential mack

[42:18] nerd

[42:18] john syracuse a i've listened to the entire flop house archives of the

[42:23] john syracuse a few months

[42:25] one hundred and seventy two episodes later

[42:27] uh... she can date this uh...

[42:29] email

[42:30] i've come to one of you didn't email and i don't want to do with the human

[42:34] i've come to a weirdo at least get one of the japanese body pillows as a

[42:37] character it drama one and i will email that sounds appropriate

[42:42] for a robot body pillow

[42:44] that's true i guess

[42:45] they have never seen a meal in case i would say so i apologize

[42:49] date something to me on the system you'll blotsky

[42:52] the whole bill in the abomination you should date emil harsh

[42:55] he was not as good as they said

[42:57] ameal

[42:58] ameal

[42:59] that's from uh...

[43:00] north by northwest yeah

[43:02] uh... i've come to one inevitable conclusion

[43:05] elliot kaelin is history's greatest monster here the six reasons why he

[43:09] issued that number one that's all you just saying

[43:11] did you hear that shit he did not say it's all

[43:15] letter outboxed you five reasons i'm history's greatest monster thank you

[43:19] very much in a way number two

[43:22] despite him

[43:23] pestilence teenage romance that continues to this day

[43:26] not once as he brought and hathaway on as a guest

[43:29] it's a good point number three terrible point and then the celebrities you do

[43:32] manage to get on he disappears for

[43:34] why i think it's okay to blow up cinema legends sylvester sloan is beyond me

[43:39] number four

[43:41] so i would i would want to do a lot of hell it doesn't stick around when i'm

[43:45] here just pass them in the stairway on the way up well but i think so that's

[43:48] the law and i thought i might play with my pump and it's all of you know we

[43:52] call ourselves the still owns this is joey still on johnny still on on dvd

[43:56] still on a list of us is still on anyway

[43:59] and that's not tommy still on will play some of the most high it's me frank

[44:03] still on i'd like to be in the bay area you wouldn't get your hair cut in the

[44:08] required bull cut

[44:09] so that anyway i don't know it's my song i don't want to win this time one two

[44:13] three four

[44:14] i heard you saying in the film rhinestone i don't think you're

[44:17] but you know that you're right for us ryan still on you know that was the

[44:20] movie yeah

[44:21] in which i think i play the ryan river

[44:23] uh...

[44:24] and so it was one of the hard-acting watch me because uh...

[44:28] it's hard for a person to play a river

[44:30] i'm not made of water i mean the human body is eighty percent water some like

[44:34] that i don't know but i'm not a scientist

[44:36] except i was a scientist in uh... despite its three d movie but that's

[44:40] besides the point i do you know there

[44:41] and as a product of cloning science and judge read but again i do you know that

[44:45] the point is it's hard to play a river mostly playing rivers como as i am in my

[44:49] new movie reason the action movie

[44:54] uh... okay well i'm back guys

[44:57] yeah that's a slow down the stairway

[44:59] you are talking about ryan still on the movie where he plays the the the

[45:03] reingold i don't know i don't know yes i like that

[45:06] he plays role gold pretzels

[45:08] number four it's about the making of those days now they have a role gold

[45:11] pretzels commercial

[45:13] uh... reason number four

[45:14] caitlin

[45:15] uh...

[45:17] con

[45:18] clearly his name is a shoddy attempt to disguise his relationship to previous

[45:22] incumbent

[45:24] gangas con and i don't know that i think you don't understand what that word

[45:27] means uh... the jokes on you i'm not so i'm not disguising my relationship to

[45:32] gangas con

[45:33] my family was disguising its jewishness by changing the name from kaplan

[45:37] jokes on you again for reasons reason uh...

[45:40] i'm not chipping away

[45:42] although

[45:43] there is a possibility that we have some mongol bloods okay could be related to

[45:46] gangas con

[45:48] much like the villain in the shadow you're a pretty good falconer

[45:51] yeah and i did lead my golden horde all the way up almost to venice in my

[45:56] conquering of eastern europe

[45:58] number five his obvious contempt for no vienna

[46:01] his obvious contempt for his thoroughly charming

[46:03] and impressively knowledgeable brother david caylin i love that guy does he

[46:07] have opinions about movies so did david write this letter number six

[46:11] finally despite a tempestuous teenage romance that continues to this day not once

[46:16] has he brought anne hathaway on as a guest there can't be two reasons i know i said that already

[46:20] but it really is the worst

[46:22] all i can say is kudos to dan for channeling elliot elliot's evil genius into a bad movie

[46:26] podcast instead of his natural home

[46:29] the subjugation of humanity yours neil last name withheld it has been said if

[46:34] you want to if you want to imagine elliot caylin just think of a human face

[46:37] being stomped on a boot by a boot for all eternity

[46:41] that boot a doc martin because i'm totally punk so when anne hathaway comes

[46:45] on is

[46:46] can we talk about catwoman or do we have to stick with like brokeback mountain

[46:50] and stuff i think we'll probably have to talk about can we talk about havoc

[46:54] princess diaries

[46:56] yeah that's what i want to talk about because he has nudity in it

[46:59] not sex and love and other drugs

[47:01] yeah that's another good one

[47:02] and brokeback mountain do you only want to talk about movies she was nude in?

[47:05] she's an attractive lady

[47:08] uh... okay i mean that's

[47:10] i'm not saying she's not i don't know what your problem is i'd say we could talk about

[47:13] other movies with her

[47:14] yeah sure

[47:15] uh... is she in red eye

[47:18] did she stab that guy in his red eye? that's rachel mcadams

[47:21] okay she's also a delightful actress can i talk to her about the life of red eye though i don't get it

[47:26] you're like is cillian murphy a monster?

[47:30] the trailer made it seem like he was a monster he's like a cyborg

[47:33] isn't he some kind of monster?

[47:35] but in the movie he's just like a dude

[47:39] what's going on? his name looks like it should be pronounced cillian

[47:43] isn't that weird? it's me sea biscuit i don't understand your movie you're even doing a bad impression of your impression of sea biscuit

[47:48] gotta go

[47:50] this is the worst impressions we've ever done

[47:53] by far my worst alone earlier i mean i wasn't here for it but

[47:57] uh... yeah what are you talking about? yeah you did that off camera or

[48:01] mic off mic

[48:02] yeah yeah mic wasn't here just rewind this and delete it

[48:05] so this next

[48:06] uh... letter

[48:07] goes like this i'd just want to thank you guys

[48:10] for your episode on the oogie loves

[48:12] if you would never feature it on your podcast i would have never known it existed

[48:16] did it say at the top read sarcastic? well certain words are capitalized so

[48:22] so it's like an old comic book i see

[48:23] so it would never have caught my eye on netflix as something to entertain my two-year-old

[48:27] daughter while i was cooking dinner

[48:29] thanks to that one faithful viewing she requested it daily for a week

[48:34] i often find her dancing and repeating lyrics from the songs and although she doesn't

[48:37] quite know how to pronounce her own name yet

[48:39] she can clearly articulate goofy toofy pull up your pants

[48:44] thank you again for your part in bringing this

[48:47] fun into our lives

[48:48] daddy family name withheld now i don't know how anyone could have taken our coverage of

[48:52] the oogie loves as an endorsement of it for child viewing rather than a descent into madness

[48:57] which it was

[48:59] i believe i screamed the name of the movie out in pain and anguish at the end

[49:06] that's his misreading of history

[49:08] that that guy is history's greatest monster look at yourself

[49:12] look within yourself

[49:13] look without yourself

[49:15] maybe deep down inside there's a kid that wants to watch oogie loves

[49:18] and you should tell that kid to stop

[49:21] there's a child inside you that's an oogie that just wants to be loved you have to shoot

[49:25] that child

[49:26] whoa but who could kill a child

[49:29] only zeus god of the greeks

[49:31] kill a lot of children yeah

[49:32] uh... so i guess it's been a lesson in greek mythology for you

[49:37] unfortunate oogie loves parent

[49:39] yeah the greek god oogie lovius

[49:41] he was the greek god of irritating songs and pants falling down

[49:46] and juice boxes

[49:47] no that was that was the greek that was the roman god capricen

[49:50] the roman god of juice boxes and bags

[49:57] if you could puncture it with a straw and then suck juice out of it

[50:00] Come to you in a golden shower.

[50:05] So here's another letter.

[50:06] It goes like this.

[50:07] Great segue.

[50:09] Masterful.

[50:10] Dear Mr.

[50:11] Kalin, dear Mr.

[50:13] Kalin.

[50:14] Did I just order dinner on you?

[50:15] Because that was seamless.

[50:17] Dear Mr.

[50:18] Kalin, remember that time three or four years ago when you said

[50:21] Delaware wasn't a very good state?

[50:23] Fuck you.

[50:24] I clearly don't remember.

[50:25] That is all.

[50:26] Sincerely, the state of last name with hell.

[50:28] Wow.

[50:28] Okay.

[50:29] That was that was that has been a rivalry that's been building

[50:32] for a long time.

[50:33] Yeah, that's Delaware's giving us a lot of great things like

[50:38] boy joke in Wayne's world about boring Delaware.

[50:42] There you go.

[50:42] Yeah.

[50:42] Thanks Delaware.

[50:43] They have a lack of sales tax there.

[50:45] It's Della Reese from Delaware.

[50:47] You can go make big purchases.

[50:49] What about Della Duck?

[50:51] What about Delicatessen?

[50:56] So what is Della Duck?

[50:58] Della Duck is is that like dial a duck?

[51:02] Is that some kind of artificial plastic?

[51:03] Della Duck was the mother of Huey, Dewey, and Louie.

[51:07] Well, I thought they were wait, but I thought hold on a second.

[51:10] I thought that Donald made them in a lab.

[51:12] No, it's Uncle Donald.

[51:14] Giro Giro should have made him.

[51:16] He is.

[51:17] Wait a minute.

[51:18] I figured it out.

[51:18] Donald's sister Scrooge in a bid for immortality has Giro gate

[51:23] make him three clones of himself as three clones in a fountain.

[51:28] Which one will the fountain pick and he eventually plans when

[51:32] they to see which one will survive and be the strongest and

[51:35] he'll place his brain in that duck's body.

[51:37] Sure.

[51:40] Is this done?

[51:41] What is nonsense?

[51:43] Is it done?

[51:43] No, it's nonsense.

[51:45] And yes, it's done.

[51:46] Okay.

[51:47] So last letter of the evening Della Duck a follow-up to you

[51:52] dear firm succulent peaches.

[51:54] Dan, how was Scrooge related to the ducks?

[51:57] Well, that was Donald's uncle.

[51:59] So what?

[52:00] So what?

[52:00] How's a lot of uncle in the duck family?

[52:04] There's not a lot of parents.

[52:06] Yeah, parent to child relationships are strained, but uncle

[52:10] relationships are very close and in duck culture are children

[52:13] given to their uncles to be raised.

[52:15] I mean, there's also I mean grandma duck seems to be a fond

[52:20] figure magic of the spell.

[52:22] Now magic of the spell is not related to the Scrooge were

[52:25] it's fucking right now.

[52:26] The last name is the last name.

[52:29] Glomgold reference to his like old-timey medieval career or

[52:34] is he?

[52:34] I think it's a pretty obvious name.

[52:39] Now Dan, is it racist that all the criminals were presented

[52:41] as dogs?

[52:43] I mean also all humanoid characters in those comics were

[52:46] also presented as dogs.

[52:48] So I think I think it just says that one segment of society

[52:51] is as a criminal segment as is humans.

[52:56] Was was that hydro dog?

[52:58] Was he was was he also a criminal?

[53:01] I don't know what you're talking about.

[53:02] It's the same shit, right?

[53:04] I love Launchpad McQuack was in both.

[53:05] So yeah, but that was a dark winged duck villain.

[53:08] I mean Goofy is also a dog-like character.

[53:11] Now Launchpad McQuack has a really big chin.

[53:14] Can ducks have chins?

[53:16] Is Jay Leno Launchpad McQuack?

[53:18] Yes, and he's Max and I.

[53:20] They're all the same.

[53:23] So versatile.

[53:23] I've never seen them in the same place at the same time.

[53:25] That's very true.

[53:26] I wonder if that was a rule that anytime you never saw two

[53:30] people the same time, they must be the same person.

[53:36] I've never seen Bill Clinton and CeeLo in the same room

[53:42] at the same time.

[53:43] They must be the same person.

[53:44] Yeah, I've never seen Stewart and Daryl Hannah in the same

[53:48] room at the same time.

[53:50] You haven't?

[53:50] We hang out all the time.

[53:52] Oh really?

[53:52] Yeah, we're really into karate kickboxing.

[53:56] Just watching it.

[53:59] The original, the remake.

[54:01] We don't care.

[54:01] We're just watching it together.

[54:02] It's just a great story.

[54:03] The next Karate Kid?

[54:05] It's timeless.

[54:05] Oh, I thought you said Daryl Hammond.

[54:09] Yeah, I am Daryl Hannah.

[54:11] So you were dancing at the Blue Iguana?

[54:14] Yeah, that was me.

[54:16] But let's get back to it.

[54:18] I hang out with Daryl Hammond.

[54:19] Nice butt and splash.

[54:21] Thanks?

[54:22] Yeah.

[54:23] So, butt and splash.

[54:26] That's the movie about a button that falls into some water.

[54:31] We all know that I'm a buttcyclopedia.

[54:34] And yet you didn't want to watch the movie Cowboy Guy

[54:37] Butt when it was available to us.

[54:39] So your website is called buttcyclopedia?

[54:42] Yeah.

[54:43] So there's a letter, huh?

[54:44] This last letter.

[54:45] That was a lot of nonsense.

[54:47] I have more DuckTales questions, by the way.

[54:49] Oh, I can answer them, but we should probably get to the letter.

[54:53] This letter goes, a follow-up.

[54:55] Dan, what's a duck blur?

[54:56] It's just when ducks are moving fast.

[55:00] Okay.

[55:00] Seems self-evident to me.

[55:02] A follow-up.

[55:03] To dear firm succulent peaches,

[55:05] I am the Tracy last name withheld who was recently proposed to on your show.

[55:10] Tracy Lords?

[55:10] I was actually at work listening to the podcast on my lunch break.

[55:16] The letter came on.

[55:17] And at first I just thought it was witty.

[55:19] But when I heard Dan pronounce my name in that adorable lilt of his,

[55:23] I sat up straight, smash cut to my only half hearing the rest of the letter

[55:28] between fits of crying laughter and my own impression of Stewart's,

[55:32] wait, what?

[55:33] Come on, over and over.

[55:35] The letter was only the start of the proposal.

[55:37] There was a kitten bearing my ring.

[55:39] That's adorable.

[55:40] A dress and a serenade for my husband to be backed by a mariachi band.

[55:44] It was the greatest night of my life.

[55:46] Propose to you in a sitcom.

[55:47] Yeah, this guy is really like,

[55:49] you're making us look bad.

[55:50] I literally just took my wife to a nice place and after.

[55:53] I am thrilled that the flop house podcast was a key part of it.

[55:56] Thank you all so much Dan for your beautiful execution of the letter.

[55:59] Elliot the Emmy award-winning writing for saying how good the letter was.

[56:04] This was a sort of an absolute thrill for Cohen.

[56:06] I mean, we're both Emmy award winners of this.

[56:08] I mean, you've got more times as many as you.

[56:10] Yeah, but and Stewart for that adorable and excited squeal in the background.

[56:15] If you find yourselves in Australia,

[56:17] you're all invited to the wedding XXX a kiss for each of you Tracy PS.

[56:22] We watch Mordecai since part of our Canon now.

[56:25] Good Lord.

[56:26] I wanted to watch Contagion or Country Strong to get a taste out of my mouth afterwards.

[56:29] At least Gwyneth Paltrow's characters bite it in those movies PPS.

[56:33] I just ordered a couple of flop house t-shirts not wedding attire per se,

[56:37] but hunting moon outfits.

[56:39] Definitely definitely.

[56:40] Well, I mean, that's where the action happens.

[56:43] So she's just wearing the shirt and nothing else.

[56:47] We should do a we should do a we should do an Australia live show.

[56:52] Huh? Yeah.

[56:52] Yeah, let's do that.

[56:54] The flop house down under.

[56:55] I mean, I look if Australia kangaroo Jack finally,

[57:01] we can make meet that quickly.

[57:02] I just don't want to get down there.

[57:03] I don't want to get eaten by a crocodile Dundee and Alan Rickman.

[57:07] One of those Yahoo!

[57:08] Serious is Alan Rickman.

[57:10] He's in quickly down under right now.

[57:13] You mean he was either he's Australian which is not which he's not.

[57:16] Yeah, we can meet the young version of Einstein.

[57:19] Yep, of course when he got old very moved to Austria Austria Germany.

[57:25] I don't know. I don't know anything about Einstein eagles.

[57:27] Empathy squared. Am I right people?

[57:30] This guy knows what I'm talking about.

[57:31] Einstein stand-up career.

[57:33] I don't know if you can do crowd work on a podcast.

[57:35] Mass times the square of the speed of light.

[57:37] Am I right people?

[57:38] I'm right.

[57:38] It'll be proved in a couple years.

[57:40] The ladies in the audience know what I'm talking about.

[57:41] Hey, look if I'm traveling on the front of a light beam.

[57:45] What am I going to see?

[57:47] I mean, what is this?

[57:48] Yeah, speaking of Yahoo!

[57:49] Serious, did you ever notice Tracy?

[57:51] Please explain Yahoo!

[57:52] Serious to us.

[57:52] Did you ever notice how if you're on a train platform

[57:55] and someone else is on a train your experience of light is different?

[57:58] What's that all about?

[58:00] I'm Albert Einstein everybody.

[58:01] Good night.

[58:03] Wow, he did that pre-encore.

[58:05] I figured that'd be his best material.

[58:07] He's just starting out.

[58:07] He hasn't become a star yet.

[58:09] Thank you very much for writing in.

[58:10] We're so happy to hear that you said yes

[58:13] and that we could be a part of this magic moment.

[58:15] To the dress.

[58:15] You know, I'm not...

[58:16] Or should I say, this magic moment.

[58:19] There's that singing you were complaining about.

[58:21] When your flop is close to mine will last for Flophouse.

[58:25] Sweeter than flops.

[58:27] We're so close to the end,

[58:28] but you've still sent Stuart out for another beer.

[58:31] That's what happens.

[58:32] Stuart, I'm done singing.

[58:33] Wait, what?

[58:34] But we're very excited and maybe, you know what?

[58:36] Maybe we will try to make it down to Australia for this wedding.

[58:38] We won't make it.

[58:39] I mean, who knows?

[58:40] I mean, I'd love to do a show in Australia

[58:42] if we could somehow cover the cost of even getting there.

[58:45] Look, if we got a wedding to go to, I mean, and we get a date, you know,

[58:49] if we get a date that we can target...

[58:51] Wait, you have a...

[58:52] You're married, dude.

[58:53] You don't need a date.

[58:54] Yeah, your date's going to be your wife.

[58:56] If we have a time that we can shoot for...

[58:58] Of course, time.

[59:00] Time and space are bent by gravity, of course.

[59:04] It makes so much sense.

[59:05] That's my new closer.

[59:07] That's Albert Einstein.

[59:09] Good stuff.

[59:11] So now...

[59:12] Hold on a second.

[59:13] What's that, your favorite B-52s album?

[59:15] What if...

[59:16] Yeah.

[59:17] What if God...

[59:18] That was the first tape I bought, actually.

[59:19] Good stuff.

[59:20] What if God didn't play dice with the universe?

[59:23] I think I'm on to something.

[59:25] What was your first tape that you bought?

[59:27] Good stuff by the B-52s.

[59:29] Mine was Pills, Thrills, and Bellyaches by the Happy Meown Days.

[59:34] Mine might have been Elastica's first album.

[59:37] That's the best choice of all three of us, I can say.

[59:40] I love that album.

[59:42] But I feel ashamed of how ashamed I was at the time of liking a band

[59:46] that was almost all girls and the name was in pink on the front.

[59:50] It wasn't in pink.

[59:51] Maybe it was on the tape.

[59:52] I mean, just the name Elastica was in pink on the front of the tape cover.

[59:56] If I'm remembering correctly.

[59:58] Anyway...

[1:00:00] Dwight. But, uh, that's a great album.

[1:00:03] That's us remembering tapes and CDs.

[1:00:05] I don't care if they ripped off a bunch of stuff from Wire, it's a great album.

[1:00:08] Everyone go out and listen to the first Alaska album and nothing else by then.

[1:00:12] And this first CD I ever bought was Savvy Showstoppers by Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet

[1:00:17] because it had the Kids on the Hall theme on it.

[1:00:19] Another surprisingly hip choice.

[1:00:22] Look, I just know what I like.

[1:00:24] Yeah.

[1:00:25] Stewart, do you know what you like?

[1:00:27] I have no idea.

[1:00:29] Can you show me?

[1:00:31] I want to know what love is.

[1:00:34] Rock of Ages. Anyway, so what do we do now?

[1:00:36] I want Stu to show me.

[1:00:38] No, it's the other way around.

[1:00:41] Stu wants you to show Stu.

[1:00:46] I'm like a caveman.

[1:00:49] Stu wants you to show Stu.

[1:00:54] Stu wants to feel what love is.

[1:00:56] Cavemen did invent rock music.

[1:01:00] Dan, what do we do next on this stupid podcast for jerks and idiots?

[1:01:04] And we're the biggest jerks and idiots of all.

[1:01:08] This is the part of the podcast where we recommend movies that we like.

[1:01:14] Why don't one of you go because I don't think I've seen a movie in a long time.

[1:01:18] What's a movie?

[1:01:19] He hasn't been on a plane.

[1:01:21] I saw a kinescope I really liked.

[1:01:25] Since we talked a little bit about people striving for fame,

[1:01:30] I'm going to recommend a little movie that's available on Netflix called Starry Eyes.

[1:01:37] Starry Eyes is a horror movie for all you horror hounds and gore fiends in the audience.

[1:01:43] I know there's a few of you. It's pretty straightforward.

[1:01:49] It's a young aspiring actress who is played a little bit extra crazy.

[1:01:56] She gets offered a role but it comes with some downsides

[1:02:05] because it's being offered by basically the devil.

[1:02:10] I won't spoil too much but there's some really great stuff.

[1:02:17] Some of the friendships and relationships between this circle of aspiring actors and filmmakers

[1:02:24] starts off as being a little bit cloying and then slowly becomes a little bit more,

[1:02:28] it seems a little deeper and is played pretty well.

[1:02:32] And then when things actually start getting terrible,

[1:02:35] I feel like all the actors reactions are much more interesting than I would expect in a movie

[1:02:41] and it gets super gory and awesome.

[1:02:44] So check it out.

[1:02:47] Here's what I've come up with on the fly, which is I recommend...

[1:02:52] Four-star recommendation from Dan McCoy.

[1:02:54] No, this is a movie that I genuinely love.

[1:02:56] Avatar, you guys see it yet?

[1:02:58] This is a movie I love. I haven't seen it in a while.

[1:03:01] I have the Blu-ray. I have not had a chance to watch it since I got it.

[1:03:06] However, it's a movie that I love.

[1:03:08] And it's called Screwballs.

[1:03:10] It's on Blu-ray?

[1:03:11] It's called Stagecoach.

[1:03:13] Oh, that is a great movie.

[1:03:14] By John Ford. It's up there in the top tier of my favorite John Ford movies.

[1:03:19] John Ford and Nunnally Johnson.

[1:03:21] Along with things like The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and My Darling Clementine and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.

[1:03:27] It's a great movie and it occurred to me to recommend just because I know that George Miller,

[1:03:36] director of much-beloved Mad Max Fury Road...

[1:03:39] Babe, pig in the city.

[1:03:40] ...he has cited it as an influence in his Chase films.

[1:03:46] So if you have not seen Stagecoach, it is perhaps the ur-John Wayne Western.

[1:03:54] Oh, very much so.

[1:03:55] I mean, he had made Westerns before then, but this is the one that made him the Western star.

[1:04:01] If you want to see a Chase with a Stagecoach, the movie you want to see is Stagecoach.

[1:04:05] It's a movie that holds up really well just as a fun movie to watch and a great movie.

[1:04:11] Although, the one that doesn't hold up well is how many Native Americans they shoot to death at the end.

[1:04:15] But hey, they're under attack, I guess.

[1:04:17] It's one of those things where you have to just go with the movie and accept,

[1:04:21] okay, the Native Americans are the bad guys in this thing.

[1:04:24] It's like Assault on Precinct 13 where you have to assume those L.A. gang members are basically zombies.

[1:04:30] And the Native Americans here are treated, if anything, just like this natural force that exists.

[1:04:37] They're not vilified the way they would be in other movies.

[1:04:40] They're still the bad guys, I guess, but that's a really great movie.

[1:04:43] So yeah, I didn't realize that Stagecoach had such an influence on George Miller

[1:04:46] because the story about Orson Welles was that when he was preparing to make Susan Cain,

[1:04:50] he watched Stagecoach over and over again to kind of learn how a movie is put together.

[1:04:54] I mean, if you just want a movie that is totally artful but also fun, that's near the top.

[1:05:03] Elliot, what were we going to –

[1:05:04] I'm going to recommend a movie I saw recently that –

[1:05:06] so CBGB didn't really capture what I think of as punk.

[1:05:10] Here's a movie that I think –

[1:05:12] It's called Shrek.

[1:05:16] It's called Ice Age, Age of the Dinosaurs or whatever that thing was called.

[1:05:21] So there's a movie I saw recently, a Japanese movie, that I felt captured the kind of nihilism

[1:05:27] and just like unthinking aggression of punk a lot better,

[1:05:32] which is weird since it predates punk by about 15 years.

[1:05:37] It's a movie called The Warped Ones directed by Koyoshi Kurohara.

[1:05:42] It's one of these movies that's like when Japan would take an American film genre

[1:05:49] and do their version of it and it would come out much more extreme and intense.

[1:05:54] So it's their version of like a juvenile delinquents with no direction on the loose movie.

[1:06:00] These two guys come out of jail who are borderline sociopaths.

[1:06:06] But they're young people who are looking for something in their life.

[1:06:09] One of them joins a gang and starts a relationship with a prostitute.

[1:06:14] The other one is just aimless and the only thing that has any meaning for him is jazz music.

[1:06:19] He's obsessed with jazz and otherwise he's just kind of like ruining other people's lives and attacking people.

[1:06:26] He performs a pretty horrifying crime on a woman

[1:06:29] and she haunts him to try to get him to fix things in this kind of twisted sense of justice.

[1:06:36] It's a strange and unsettling movie in a lot of ways and it's shot really cool.

[1:06:42] There's a lot of this very crisp black and white handheld camera work and things like that.

[1:06:47] But there's just this sense of like youth clawing at itself

[1:06:51] because it can't see a real way to the things it wants in life

[1:06:55] and doesn't even know what it wants out of life

[1:06:57] and driven by the energy that they feel in this music

[1:07:01] that the mainstream of people around them see as degenerate in some way.

[1:07:06] Here it happens to be jazz and there's a lot of scenes where

[1:07:09] or a couple of scenes where kind of like really smooth light jazz is playing in places

[1:07:15] and the main character's like,

[1:07:16] That's not jazz! That's not jazz!

[1:07:18] and gets really mad about it.

[1:07:19] So I felt, if anything, this movie was...

[1:07:21] Were they sex scenes?

[1:07:22] Uh, no.

[1:07:23] Because that's when you play light jazz.

[1:07:25] That's when it's appropriate to have just a lot of smooth sax for the sex.

[1:07:29] That's why it's called The Sexophone.

[1:07:31] Really? I didn't know that.

[1:07:32] Yeah, it's an instrument that was invented by I think Dr. Goldfoot,

[1:07:35] inventor of the bikini machine.

[1:07:37] Dr. Goldfoot and his bikini machine.

[1:07:40] And the girl bomb.

[1:07:41] Dr. Goldfoot and his bikini machine.

[1:07:44] There was a, I think recently,

[1:07:47] this is not related to movies at all,

[1:07:48] Alan Moore won me back with his third Captain Nemo book.

[1:07:53] The one where they go to South America to find the Nazis for cloning Hitler.

[1:07:57] And when one of the Nazi scientists in it is Dr. Goldfoot,

[1:08:01] the Vincent Price carrier.

[1:08:03] Have you seen this one, Stuart?

[1:08:04] I don't think I've found this one.

[1:08:05] Oh, it's good. It's a good one.

[1:08:07] But anyway, The Warped Ones.

[1:08:10] More punk than CBGB.

[1:08:12] Wow!

[1:08:14] More punk.

[1:08:15] So, man, we got through it.

[1:08:18] Three great tastes.

[1:08:20] Tons of impressions.

[1:08:21] That go great together.

[1:08:22] Great impressions.

[1:08:23] We're kind of like a group of rich littles.

[1:08:25] Yep.

[1:08:26] Can I be Michael Winslow?

[1:08:27] Er, er, I'm a rocking chair.

[1:08:30] And I'm a cop.

[1:08:32] I wish Michael Winslow, wait, hold on.

[1:08:36] He's a rocking chair who's also a cop?

[1:08:38] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:08:39] He's a rocking cop.

[1:08:41] That was what Cop Rock was about.

[1:08:44] Cops are rockin', don't come a-knockin'.

[1:08:46] Crime shouldn't come a-knockin'.

[1:08:48] You sounded kind of like a rocking chair and kind of like a donkey.

[1:08:50] Caw, caw, caw, I'm a cop and a bird.

[1:08:52] It's me, Michael Winslow.

[1:08:54] I wish Michael Winslow had, one, announced himself by name,

[1:08:57] not his name, his character,

[1:08:59] but also had said what his sounds were at the end of it.

[1:09:02] Um, I don't even know how to pronounce it.

[1:09:05] Vroom, I'm a race car.

[1:09:07] I'll be the fast-talkin' guy from the Micro Machines commercials.

[1:09:11] It's not an imitation.

[1:09:13] I've forgotten how this works.

[1:09:15] Why don't you sign off?

[1:09:16] For the Flophouse,

[1:09:18] sleep tight,

[1:09:20] eat right,

[1:09:22] don't let the Ed Begley Jr.'s bite,

[1:09:24] I've been Elliot Kalin.

[1:09:26] I've been Dan McCoy.

[1:09:28] And coming up third,

[1:09:30] it's Stuart,

[1:09:32] Stuart Wellington.

[1:09:34] Good night, everyone.

[1:09:36] God bless.

[1:09:41] ...

[1:09:45] Suckin' on one of them cold brews.

[1:09:51] Suckin' on chili dogs.

[1:09:53] So, guys.

[1:09:55] Yeah.

[1:09:56] So, Dan.

[1:09:57] What's he drinking?

[1:09:58] One of them Modellos.

[1:10:00] Modellos.

[1:10:02] So, Dan.

[1:10:00] Nelson Moe Dello.

[1:10:02] It was Moe's Dello.

[1:10:04] Moe's-ello.

[1:10:05] How was Dougloves movies?

[1:10:06] Was there a setup like this?

[1:10:08] Dello was on the stage at Irving Plaza.

[1:10:10] Oh, wow.

[1:10:11] Otherwise, the setup was not so different.

[1:10:13] It was a live show at Irving Plaza last night.

[1:10:14] It was a lot of fun.

[1:10:15] Yep.

[1:10:16] And...

[1:10:17] Was Irving there?

[1:10:18] Kathy's boyfriend?

[1:10:19] Washington Irving, who Irving Place is named after,

[1:10:22] was not there.

[1:10:23] He's been dead for about 200 years.

[1:10:25] What?

[1:10:26] Sorry, I didn't want you to find out this way.

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